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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting March 1, 2023
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on March 1, 2023 at 1:30 PM.
To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
B
Let
us
assume
the
attitude
of
Prayer.
Most
Grace
is
Almighty
father.
We
call
once
again
before
your
presence
in
the
ominous
manner
that
we
know
how
we
come.
We
have
a
father
and
ask
him
their
blessings
upon
this
meeting
upon
all
those
that
in
attendance
that
we
shall
fear
your
spirit
and
your
peace
as
we
conduct
the
business
of
this
city
help
us
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
land
and
good
servants
of
yours
in
thy
son,
Jesus
name.
We
pray,
amen.
C
B
British
captain
Thomas
Preston
ordered
his
men
to
fix
their
baroness
and
join
the
guards
outside
the
building.
The
colonists
responded
by
throwing
snowballs
and
other
objects
at
the
British.
One
soldier
was
hit,
leading
him
to
discard
discharge
his
rifle
at
the
crowd,
and
other
soldiers
began
firing
moments
later
When
the
Smoke
cleared,
five
colonists
were
dead
or
dying.
The
death
of
these
five
men
in
the
Boston
Massacre
are
regarded
by
some
historians
as
the
first
fatalities
in
the
American
Revolutionary
War
back
in
the
day.
A
E
A
F
G
Good
afternoon,
I
want
to
do
just
a
quick
presentation
on
a
an
opportunity
that
was
presented
to
the
city
and
it's
to
submit
for
a
rebuilding
America
infrastructure
with
sustainability
and
Equity
Grant,
that's
more
commonly
referred
to
as
a
raised
Grant.
G
G
G
In
addition
to
widening
the
road,
the
grants
will
cover
the
cost
of
the
trail,
as
well
as
access
management
and
other
safety
improvements
along
the
corridor,
for
example,
a
signal
at
Boy
Scout,
and
maybe
one
other
signal.
G
We
felt
the
city
has
a
good
chance
of
receiving
an
award,
because
the
project
is
located
within
two
census
tracts
which
are
areas
of
persistent
poverty
and
historically
disadvantaged
communities,
which
is
a
key
component
of
the
Grant
application
and
and
it
strengthen,
strengthens
the
application
that
we
submitted.
G
This
is
a
competitive
Grant
with
a
1.5
billion
dollar
in
funds
available
in
the
2023
program.
Grants
are
judged
on
these
criteria.
We
were
strong
in
all
of
the
categories.
At
least
we
fill,
and
then
we've
asked
for
about
17
million
dollars
with
a
commitment
of
4.3
million
dollar
match.
Should
we
receive
the
award
the
transportation
impact
fee,
money
that
we
do
have
in
our
reserves
will
be
used
for
the
match
and,
of
course,
we'll
be
coming
back
to
council.
G
When
we
hear
the
good
news
that
we
received
a
grant
and
we
should
hear
something
back
from
usdot
in
about
four
months,
so
this
will
significantly
help
us
with
our
infrastructure
program.
If
we're
awarded
a.
H
Applause
I
mean
this
is
critical
for
us,
I
mean
any
time
you
can
stand
up
there
and
talk
about
good
news
for
the
city
in
terms
of
our
infrastructure.
Improvement,
it's
going
to
be
a
great
thing
for
not
only
the.
H
G
Received
I,
don't
know
how
many
letters
of
support
10
I
mean
from
people
that
I
was
surprised,
but
as
a
community,
we
have
to
support
our
surrounding
communities,
and
so
they
support
us
all.
A
J
D
Can
lift
the
oh
this.
A
A
K
Technical
is
difficult
guys,
sorry
about
that
guys.
There
we
go.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Oh
very
nice,
electronics,
hey
guys
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Gannon
Stokes
I'm,
the
owner
of
gold,
Kinder
glass
in
Apopka
Florida.
Some
of
you
may
know
me
as
the
Grinch
driving
the
fire
truck
and
the
popular
Christmas
parades
or
around
town,
but
today,
I
come
before
you
just
as
a
local
pop
command
that
has
grown
up
in
this
beautiful
Town
went
to
Apopka
high
school
and
lived
here
almost
my
whole
life.
K
The
Lord
has
blessed
me
and
I'm
about
to
raise
a
family
in
this
town
as
well.
I
have
a
baby
boy
due
on
September
3rd
I'm,
beyond
excited
to
raise
him
where
I
grew
up.
I
wanted
to
come
before
you
guys
and
talk
to
you
about
Shine
the
spotlight
on
a
great
local
business
owner.
That's
been
in
our
great
town
for
20
years
now,
I'm
talking
about
Steve,
White
owner
and
operator
and
I
say
that
not
lightly
he's
the
driving
force.
K
But
when
you
meet
someone
as
genuine
as
Steve,
it's
almost
hard
not
to
become
great
friends
with
him.
During
my
13
years
personally,
knowing
Steve
I
have
seen
him
donate
and
give
back
in
ways
that
are
truly
hard
to
describe
from
Pop
Warner
Junior
sports
Banquets
to
funeral
Food
Arrangements
to
feeding
our
firefighters
and
police.
He
rallies
around
local
people
that
have
had
that
have
needed
help
during
very
difficult
times
and
has
done
fundraisers.
K
This
great
man
has
done
for
our
community,
but
I
come
for
you
today,
I
come
before
you
today,
and
all
that
Popular
Community
to
to
invite
you
to
Porky's
barbecue
tonight
at
6
PM,
as
we
were
doing
a
surprise
party
to
present
Steve
with
a
plaque
to
signify
his
20
years
of
business
and
thank
him
for
his
unwavering
support
for
his
community.
I.
K
Also
ask
on
this
day
March
1st,
if
you
would
be
so
gracious
enough
to
Proclaim
this
day
as
Steve
White
Porky's
barbecue
day
and
our
hometown
of
Apopka,
to
not
only
recognize
his
commitment
of
giving
back,
but
let
others
know,
as
the
time
goes
on,
his
stamp
of
kindness
and
generosity
will
live
on
through
our
Town's
Legacy,
hopefully
inspiring
other
local
business
owners
and
people
in
the
community
and
the
importance
of
giving
back
for
future
generations
to
come.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
truly
love.
K
H
Guys,
thank
you.
Can
I
share
a
quick
anecdote,
real
quick
about
Steve,
so
Steve
used
to
work
or
not
work
but
serve
on
our
CRA
board
here
and
so
when
I
used
to
sit
where
commissioner
or
commissioner
Nesta
sits.
Now
when
he
would
be
here,
he
would
sit
in
that
pink
chair
and
you
know:
Steve
he's
smoking
all
day
over
there
at
Porky's
and
he
would
just
smell
and
permeate
Porky's
barbecue
in
that
seat
and
I
would
be
much
hungrier
after
the
meeting
than
I
was
prior
to
it.
But.
K
A
J
L
J
M
Dennis
new
105,
West
Magnolia
Street
good
afternoon
for
over
the
last
year,
I've
come
here
and
spoke
of
city-owned
buildings
and
properties
and
disrespect
and
disrepair
I
spoke
about
lack
of
sidewalks
and
infrastructure
needs.
All
of
these
things
are
symptomatic
of
poor
management.
Poor
leadership
in
a
general
disregard
for
the
city
in
general.
The
Gannon
report
demonstrates
damning
conditions
within
the
City's
Fire
Department.
Imagine
if
the
city
was
conducted
where
the
study
was
conducted.
City-Wide
employees
in
the
city
won't
speak
out
for
fear
of
being
retaliated
against
or
fired.
M
Even
the
chamber
building
is
now
under
tarps.
Imagine
if
it
was
a
taxpayer's
home,
I'm
sure
code
enforcement
would
have
already
written
them
up
camp.
We
was
in
disrepair
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
is
still
not
ADA
Compliant.
We
as
a
city
employ
an
attorney
who
gives
advice,
contrary
to
state
law
to
Mr,
wylam
I
believe
that's
called
malpractice.
An
attorney
who
believes
the
taxpayers
are
the
peanut
gallery
who
believes
he
can
interpret
the
city
Charter
when
he
can't
even
advise
within
the
scope
of
State
statutes
this
mismanagement,
this
malfeasance
this
misfeasance.
M
This
deplorable
line
of
bad
judgment
has
cost
the
life
of
one
young
man
a
death
that
falls
directly
on
the
lack
of
oversight
and
proper
management.
This
city
deserves
I
believe
that
the
Gannon
reporters,
but
a
scratch
on
the
surface
of
the
issues
plaguing
this
city.
The
issues
are
systemic
lack
of
proper
leadership
is
the
cause
now
today
on
the
agenda,
an
item
regarding
the
Florida
economic
Consortium,
an
organization
which
shares
an
address
with
a
fellow
named
Mr
Rod
love
a
well-known
political
operative
friend
of
the
Mayors.
M
Was
there
a
bid
process
for
this
type
of
contractor?
Is
this
just
a
political
payback
thing,
as
a
taxpayer?
I
expect
better
controls
on
this
type
of
issue
the
mayor
being
allowed
to
reward
his
political
cohorts
is
beyond
reproach.
It
should
not
be
allowed.
I
encourage
the
council
to
vote
no
on
this
item
until
such
time
as
some
sort
of
process
is
developed
for
handling
these
types
of
things.
M
N
About
Olson
3156,
Rolling,
Hills
Lane
in
Apopka
several
topics
today
first
is
starting
off
I
I've
noticed
today
it
looks
like
eight
new
development
proposals.
I
challenge
the
commission
to
look
at
all
these
proposals
to
challenge
and
ask
themselves
these
three
questions
before
they
approve
one.
How
will
the
citizens
of
Apopka
benefit
to?
How
will
our
children
benefit?
N
You
know
I'm,
going
on
schools,
the
fights
at
Apopka,
High
School,
the
fact
that
Wolf
Lake
middle
and
elementary
school
opened
with
42
Portables
in
2006
and
the
first
they're,
not
using
all
those
Portables
is
now
because
kelly
park
opened,
have
they
closed
out
or
removed
any
of
those
trailers?
No
because
of
the
development
we
keep
approving.
If
you
notice
on
the
site
plan
for
Kelly
Park
schools,
they
also
have
sites
built
up
for
12
possible
Portables.
It's
not
right.
N
If
you
can't
answer
firmly
to
all
three
stop
making
excuses
and
approving
new
developments
until
you
can
talking
about
Northwest
Recreational
Complex,
Turf
I've
emailed
all
of
you
I'm
not
going
to
beat
this
horse
to
death,
but
the
Field's
under
worst
condition
ever
they're
being
used
year-round
year
round.
It's
been
years
since
they've
done
the
the
winter
reseeding
and
and
letting
the
fields
rest,
the
horror
fields
are
horrible.
It
used
to
be.
It
was
like
a
golf
green
it
compared
to
like
a
golf
green.
N
Now,
it's
like
the
rough
Saturday
sounds
a
little
bit
shout
out
there.
Buddy
Blues
is
on
this
weekend.
If
you've
not
heard
him,
he
is
wonderful
and
on
the
Ganon
reports,
I've
read
all
three
ports
line
by
line.
We
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
We
need
to
stop
making
excuses
and
pointing
fingers
and
take
take
some
action
and
further.
The
Gannon
report
may
just
be
the
tip
of
the
iceberg.
N
Indeed,
we
need
to
look
at
each
and
every
Department
how
they're
operating
address
the
issues
with
morale,
the
turnover
that
we
have
in
departments.
We
need
to
take
a
real
look
at
what
and
how
our
people
are
feel
Mr,
Duran
you
and
your
family
I
am
so
sorry
for
what
has
happened.
N
It's
a
shame
that
to
say
that
you
and
your
family
have
been
more
compassionate
and
understanding
than
the
city
has
been
to
you
and
that's
criminal
in
my
eyes
now,
I
know
that
there's
a
number
of
people
in
leadership
in
the
city
that
would
like
to
speak
out
but
are
under
a
gag
order.
That's
unfortunate
in
criminal.
N
You
and
your
family
continue
my
thoughts
and
prayers.
I
wish
you
all
the
best
of
luck
in
godspeed,
sir.
O
Good
afternoon
the
Apopka
professional
firefighters
executive
board
conducted
a
polling
of
our
membership
and
a
confidence
vote
regarding
the
continued
leadership
of
fire
chief
Sean
Weiland.
My
name
is
Alex
klepper
I'm,
the
president
of
this
organization.
O
Your
union
members
make
up
nearly
90
of
the
active
Workforce
with
greater
than
six
months
on
the
job.
The
results
of
that
polling
came
back
with
85
percent
voting
in
the
affirmative
that
they
have
no
confidence
that
fire
chief
Sean
wylam
has
the
competence
and
abilities
to
lead
the
Apopka
fire
department
forward
and
provide
a
safe
and
productive
environment
for
continued
well-managed
growth.
O
Let
us
be
clear
that
we
don't
feel
that
fire
chief
Sean
wylam
is
a
bad
person
or
acts
with
malicious
intent,
but
has
become
clear
and
apparent
that
he
is
and
has
been
incapable
of,
competently
managing
the
men
and
women
who
have
dedicated
and
given
their
lives
in
service
to
the
Apopka
fire
department.
A
fire
chief
must
Excel
Under
Pressure,
something
we
have
loads
of
at
the
current
moment
with
lost
growth
and
extreme
changes
needed.
But,
as
you
said,
mayor
fire
chief
volume
is
not
good
under
pressure.
O
The
material
I
provided
you
with
today
explains
our
position,
but
allow
me
to
summarize
chief
wylam
on
his
first
and
last
tour
of
the
Apopka
fire
stations
handed
out
a
card
and
printed
on.
It
was
my
commitment
to
you.
It
is
our
majority
opinion
that
he
has
failed
on
each
and
every
one
of
the
accompanying
bullet
points.
O
In
response
to
the
Gannon
report
and
presentations
made
here
at
this
Council
Chief
Wilm
has
failed
to
communicate
any
Clear,
Vision,
Values
or
intent
he's
failed
to
carry
out
or
execute
any
strategic
plan.
Professional
development
leadership,
succession,
structural
Direction
in
his
tenure.
His
decisions
are
consistently
reactionary
and
hard
to
map
out
his
acting
act.
Antics
and
presentations
during
budget
periods
have
been
a
disheartening
source
of
frustration
and
bewilderment
for
our
firefighters.
O
He
has
shamefully
failed
to
stand
up
for
or
defend
his
firefighters
who
are
suffering
a
tragedy
when
they're
referred
to
as
soft
or
having
garbage
opinions
or
when
the
mayor
deliberately
misquotes
them
during
an
embarrassing
press
conference.
Chief
wylam
has
failed
to
do
the
right
thing
doing.
The
right
thing
is
making
the
hard
ask
in
this
room
and
not
forcing
those
below
you
on
the
in
position
to
do
the
work
for
you,
while
you
shamelessly
take
credit.
More
importantly,
the
right
thing
is
always
take
care
of
your
people.
O
O
Tired
of
why
we
always
have
to
do
this
job
I,
don't
understand
any
it's
like,
there's,
no
soul
back
there,
I
don't
get
it
sorry.
Chief
Wyland
has
failed
to
hold
himself
accountable
for
anything.
He
has
failed
in
accountability
to
Austin
his
family
and
to
us
he's
taken.
No
accountability
for
failures
in
training
safety
planning,
Staffing
organizational
structure,
any
unconscionably
accepted
a
Flawless
annual
performance
evaluation.
O
P
My
Duran
Claremont,
who
is
running
this
city
yet
again
against
everyone's
wishes,
not
one
but
two
Canon
workshops
were
canceled
within
24
hours
of
the
actual
Workshop
commissioner
Becker
sat
in
the
last
city
council
meeting
and
stressed
to
the
mayor
that
this
Workshop
should
not
take
place.
We
all
agree.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Our
fire
chief
is
not
qualified
to
make
changes.
He
never
visited
Austin.
He
never
reached
out
to
our
family,
nor
did
the
mayor
any
meaning
that
was
taken.
It
was
on
my
initiation
organizations
such
as
the
American
Lung
Association,
the
frt
training
group
that
trains
our
paramedics,
local
restaurants,
businesses
have
all
reached
out
to
my
family
and
support.
P
P
P
P
Q
He's
worn
them
47,
East,
Magnolia,
Street,
Apopka,
Florida,
I,
don't
know
what
much
else
to
say
than
what's
been
said,
but
if
you
but
look
back
at
the
commissioner
meetings,
looking
back
at
our
conversations,
we
talked
about
this.
It's
been
going
on
for
four
years,
people
about
his
ability
to
run
the
fire
department
and
the
concerns
of
the
safety
of
the
firefighters
four
years,
but
took
the
death
of
a
young,
brilliant
future
firefighter
life.
Q
Q
Q
I
mean
people's
cars
were
getting
broke
in
right,
downtown
a
pumpkin
here,
I
just
heard
the
conversation
today,
catalytic
converters
getting
stolen
in
town
they'll
just
walk
up
and
take
it
off
the
car,
but
guys
y'all
got
to
do
something.
The
fire
department
is
a
bunch
of
good,
very
good,
professional
firefighters.
Q
R
R
Translated
for
those
not
branded
as
members
of
the
peanut
gallery
vicarious
liability,
the
court
defines
vicarious
liability
in
Florida
as
an
employer
as
vicariously
liable
if
an
employee's
Act,
if
the
employee
was
acting
to
further
the
employer's
interests
at
the
time
of
the
incident,
was
Austin
Duran
engaged
in
carrying
a
task
on
behalf
of
his
employer
at
the
time
of
this
of
his
incident.
Yes,
was
he
given
training
for
this
prior
to
the
that
instruction?
R
No,
therefore,
is
Chief
Whalum
vicariously,
liable
Fire
Chief
William
is
employed
by
the
city
of
Apopka,
the
mayor
by
not
disputing
Sean
Weiland
receiving
a
perfect
score
of
six
in
his
evaluation
by
inferences
the
chief's
actions
as
being
in
line
with
his
employer's
requirement.
As
such,
the
mayor
sees
the
city
of
Apopka
as
being
compliant
with
safety.
Standards.
R
Is
the
city
of
Apopka
and
Brian
Nelson
vicariously
liable
for
the
death
of
firefighter
Austin
duraden.
Let's
speak
about
professionalism.
Recent
comments
by
the
City
attorney
are
disrespectful
to
the
residents
of
Apopka
and
the
Commissioners
or
tax
dollars
pay
for
his
salary.
His
arrogance
is
unacceptable.
Some
of
his
comments
in
quotation
marks
the
first
one.
It
was
suggested
he
should
resign.
Do
I
really
have
to
deal
with
this
crap.
R
This
was
delivered
by
the
mayor
and
other
members
delivered
to
the
mirror
and
other
members
of
the
administration
by
email,
which
was
then
passed
on
to
concerned
female
resident
by
Brian
Nelson,
thus
demeaning
any
further
interaction
she
has
with
Administration.
As
for
the
reference
to
the
members
who
regularly
questioned
his
integrity
and
should
have
built
it
for
this
position,
he
refers
to
us
as
a
peanut
gallery,
not
an
affectionate
term
of
endearment
substitution.
It
would
appear
Chris.
Gannon
is
not
the
only
person
to
face
pushback
at
the
hands
of
this
City
attorney.
R
Since
the
City
attorney
is
an
employee
of
the
commission,
he
cannot
behind
hide
behind
employee
client
privilege
if
they
request
the
details.
It
is
alleged.
He
was
unable
to
continue
representing
the
city
because
in
quotes
he
had
previously
had
discussions
with
a
pursuant
and
has
now
been
called
as
a
witness,
surely
not
against
the
city.
R
I
do
not
appreciate
the
city
having
to
use
our
tax
dollars
to
engage
another
City
attorney
when
we
are
already
paying
one
who
appears
to
be
very
conversant
with
the
law.
In
fact,
I
remember
he
recently
schooled
commissioner
Diane
Vasquez
on
the
very
subject
of
conversations
with
a
pursuant
in
a
case
of
litigation,
he
was
quite
clear.
He
or
his
office
could
not
have
direct
contact
or
email
traffic
was
the
Duran
family
recusal
a
voluntary
act
of
removing
oneself
from
a
situation
or
a
vote
where
there
might
be
a
conflict
of
interest?
R
A
recent
City
Records
request
showed
one
recusal
since
January
2021..
How
much
advice
does
the
City
attorney
providing
the
mayor
of
the
Commissioners
are
his
legal
opinions
in
some
cases,
even
valid
already
filled
with
deliberate
errors
of
omission,
misrepresentation
and
even
lies
with
respect
to
his
own
position
and
discipline
reaction
by
the
commission,
we
will
eagerly
await
to
hear
his
interpretation
as
a
crack
or
just
another
lot
of
lies
and
misrepresentations.
S
S
It's
a
great
day
for
me
to
hear
the
Community
come
out
with
passion
and
get
involved
with
what's
going
on
in
the
community,
because
it's
greatly
needed
in
the
city
of
Apopka
and
is
greatly
needed
in
our
country.
Today,
too
many
people
seeing
bad
things
happen
and
sin
by
and
to
comfort
their
own
quality
of
life
and
not
speaking
up
for
their
neighbor,
and
it's
a
shame
on
all
of
us.
S
S
What
do
that
mean
when
we
know
it's
not
true
for
everybody,
but
we
said
with
such
a
cruel,
calm
collecting
and
make
us
feel
good,
but
when
we
start
normalizing
the
act
normal,
we
start
desensitizing
the
truth
and
that's
what
is
happening
in
our
country
and
that's
what
is
happening
here
in
the
city
of
Apopka
I
mentioned
before
about
the
hostile
work
environment.
What
it
creates,
take
a
look
and
see
don't
everything
that
you
just
heard
today
is
represented
up
there
and
it's
sad,
but
here's
the
here's,
here's
it!
Here's!
S
S
S
So
now
I'm.
Looking
at
my
four
Commissioners
up
here,
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
the
issue,
commissioner?
Basketball?
As
you
said,
before,
you're
tired
of
hearing
the
same
old
thing.
Well,
how
long
are
you
gonna?
Let
it
go
on
one
thing:
I
was
very
disappointed
because
I
wasn't
here
last
the
last
city
council
meeting
but
Mr
Rodriguez
over
here.
S
So
now
what
all
you
have
heard,
it's
time
for
accountability,
Commissioners!
It's
on
you
now
I
want
everybody
to
start.
Looking
at
you
guys,
you
see!
What
are
you
going
to
do
because
this
can
only
go
on
by
you
allowing
it
to
go
on
and
it's
time
for
it
to
stop
it's
time
for
it
to
stop
you
either
leave
follow
or
get
out
of
the
way.
S
U
That's
a
topic
I'm
an
amateur
here,
I'm
gonna
make
several
assertions
which
probably
can
be
refuted,
but
I'll
try.
Okay!
On
today's
agenda.
There
are
references
to
zoning
changes
linked
to
plan
development
applications
submitted
for
Apopka
city
action
in
the
mode
of
a
primer
for
citizens.
Could
you
please
teach
to
the
issue
of
zoning
and
plan
development?
Applications
doesn't
have
to
be
now,
but
sometime,
okay,
several
issues.
First-
and
this
is
this-
is
Elementary
everybody
can
probably
chime
in
and
say.
Well,
yes,
it
probably
needs
to
be
something
we
can
learn
about.
U
U
Vis-A-Vis
the
comprehensive
plan,
for
example,
a
PUD
used
to
be
considered
sacrosanct,
impervious
to
alteration
or
change,
so
a
Rock
Springs
Ridge
residents
were
advised
over
time
and
by
the
way
we
at
Rock
Springs
Ridge
has
been
immersed
in
a
struggle,
a
crisis
for
how
long,
how
long
14
years
and
counting
is
this
provision
any
longer.
True,
four,
to
what
extent
have
zoning
changes
in
the
dynamic
that
drives
them
serve
to
expedite
a
quote?
Bill
Bill
grow
as
fast
as
we
can
go
growth
and
development
mantra.
U
U
Is
there
an
observed
checklist,
the
city,
growth
and
development
surgeons,
I'm
using
the
word
surgeons,
figuratively
and
you'll,
see
why
in
just
a
moment,
are
observing
to
mitigate
the
chances
of
disastrous
surgical
mistakes
that
will
jeopardize
the
body
politic
over
time,
I'm,
drawing
analogy
to
surgeons
and
the
field
of
medicine,
Medical
Care.
U
U
To
our
environment,
to
our
water
resources,
to
our
Green
Space
in
a
neighbor
in
the
name
of
stewardship
of
God's
green
earth-
and
this
is
a
big
one-
these
days
very
big
in
Florida,
it's
huge
to
our
precious
beautiful
children
and
our
Public
Schools
and
I'll
testify
I've
been
an
educator.
A
teacher
I
was
44
years
in
public
schools
and
I'll,
go
to
bat
to
the
day.
I
die
for
public
school
teachers
and
public
and
public
schools.
U
U
H
Items
well
before
we
move
on
and
I'm
just
not
going
to
accept
that
we
do
this.
Every
single
meeting,
but
first
off
I,
want
to
apologize.
I
want
to
make
an
apology
to
all
of
the
senior
staff
that
were
in
city,
council
or
city
hall
yesterday
for
my
behavior
I
had
a
private
meeting
with
another
staff
member
that
turned
unprofessional
on
both
sides
and
so
that
I
apologize
and
I
apologize
to
the
member
in
this.
H
In
this
in
this
chamber,
whose
meeting
that
was
as
well
I'm
passionate
about
things
and
a
lot
of
that
stems
what
was
discussed
in
this
room
tonight,
one
of
which
has
been
accused
of
politics
right
I'm,
not
going
to
sit
up
here
and
say
that
I
don't
play
politics
I'm
a
politician.
I,
try
and
use
politics
for
good
purposes
versus
bad,
but
you
know
there's
politics
involved
in
running
the
city
and
you
know
to
be
accused
of
that.
I!
H
H
What
I
would
say
is
that
we
don't
air
this
publicly
in
a
council
chambers
like
this,
but
I
do
think
that
this
Council
needs
to
sit
behind
closed
doors
and
have
a
Frank
conversation
with
each
other
outside
of
the
you
know,
public
scrutiny
so
that
we
feel
like
we're,
posturing
or
or
any
of
that,
not
not
claiming
that's
taking
the
place,
but
I
do
think
that,
potentially
after
public
hearing
today,
we
enter
into
an
executive
session
so
that
we're
talking,
because
I
would
like
to
talk
on
two
HR
terms
and
not
air
all
of
those
thoughts
out
for
the
public
realm.
H
But
for
us
to
sit
back
like
we
did
a
few
weeks
back
and
have
an
executive
session
where
we
can
talk
through
these
things.
I
want
to
lay
out
what
my
experience
has
been
with
certain
members
of
the
senior
staff
that
I
feel
passionate
that
they
are
no
longer
I.
They
no
longer
have
my
trust
and
they
serve
this
whole
body.
A
total
I
want
to
be
able
to
to
let
you
all
know
of
those
grievances
to
this
this
Council
and
for
us
to
make
a
decision.
Ultimately,
like
the
point
was
made
earlier.
H
You
know.
The
current
interpretation
on
the
City
attorney
serving
at
the
pleasure
of
the
council
is
the
interpretation
of
the
and
statement,
meaning
that
the
mayor
has
the
final
say,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
this
Council
votes
to
do
that
or
not,
and
then
we
have
zero
Authority
over
the
fire
chief,
as
people
have
called
for
his
resignation.
So
I
want
to
have
a
Frank
conversation
with
this
Council.
So
before
we
move
forward,
I
would
move
that
we
have
executive
session
following
the
public
hearing
section.
H
That's
the
meeting
today
so
that
we
can
have
that
conversation
and
be
frank,
because
this
this
is
not
sustainable.
People
need
to
know
that
we're
we're
being
definitive
on
a
topic
and
moving
forward.
This
is
not
sustainable,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
public
comment
is
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
or
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Let's
just
have
the
conversation,
it's
gonna
be
a
tough
one.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
we
all
need
to
verbalize
our
thoughts
to
each
other
I.
P
V
F
No,
a
meeting
as
such
as
proposed
is
inconsistent
with
the
Sunshine
Law.
A
local
government
can
only
have
an
executive
session
to
discuss
settlement
negotiations
in
relating
to
litigation.
You
don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
a
private
meeting
to
discuss
matters
that
are
not
related
to
litigation.
It's
it's
not
permissible.
Under
chapter
286,
Florida
Statutes,
Florida,
Statutes,
Workshop,.
H
So
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
do
is
I'm
trying
to
be
respectful
of
claims
that
I'm
playing
politics
here.
What
I
want
to
do
is
this
shouldn't
be
aired
out
in
front
of
the
public
realm
at
this
point,
maybe
that
outcome
of
that
conversation
should
be,
but
I
don't
care
what
vehicle
it
is
if
it's
not
executive
session
by
name
what
opportunity
do
we
have
if
it's
a
meeting
in
the
shade
executive
session?
What
have
you
for
us
to
have
that
conversation
and
prevent
it
from
being
in
the
in
the
public
realm.
F
In
terms
Florida's,
Sunshine
laws
are
very
strong
and
that,
and
if,
if
the
Collegiate
body
is
meeting,
it
must
meet
in
the
sunshine
unless
it
falls
under
the
explicit
exceptions
under
the
statute
and
one
of
those
one
is
collective
bargaining
discussions
and
the
other
one
is
to
discuss
settlement
of
pending
litigation.
That's
why,
when
the
two
executive
sessions
that
we
noticed
were
specifically
tied
to
specific
cases
and
the
discussion
was
solely
limited
to
that
plus
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
keep
it
behind
closed
doors.
W
F
Matter
is
record
is
transcribed
by
a
court
reporter
and
then
it
is
made
public
at
the
the
conclusion
of
the
litigation
or
the
dependency
that
that's
being
discussed.
In
this
case
there
is
no
conclusion,
so
I
I
cannot
advise
you
to
have
such
a
meeting.
Such
a
meeting
will
be
outside
of
the
sunshine
and
will
will
expose
each
and
every
one
of
you
to
civil
or
potential
criminal
liability.
Okay,.
Q
H
A
V
I
just
wanted
to
reference
the
Orchestra
coming
up
that
we
will
be
selling
tables
again
there.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's.
F
V
A
So
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
D
D
It
says:
approved
Kelly
Park,
South,
School,
concurrency
mitigation
and
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
agreement
and
number
five
approve
the
ridge
school
concurrency
mitigation.
Just
a
brief.
What
does
that
mean,
commissioner?.
X
This
is
the
agreement
item
for,
if
you
recall,
whenever
you
get
a
property
entitled,
they
go
through
a
school
capacity
process
and
once
they
get
a
major
development
plan
and
plot
recorded,
they
need
to
have
a
concurrency
agreement
with
the
school.
So
this
is
actually
the
state
required
concurrency
agreement
that
each
project
has
to
go
through,
because
it's
a
tri-party
agreement,
the
school
board,
the
city
and
the
developer
has
to
sign
it
all.
So
this
here,
the
ridge
as
well
as
Kelly,
Park,
South
right.
X
X
Ma'am
to
pay
yep
yep
it's
in
delineated
in
the
agreement
itself,
they
have
a
certain
deadline
for
a
certain
amount.
A
C
A
A
year
on
you,
this
is
yours:
okay,
okay,
we
I,
guess
we're
going
to
number
two,
then
the
second
one,
okay,
so
so,
which
which
are
you
in
the
first
okay,
we're
coming
right
now,
we'll
be
we're
on
it?
No,
no!
No!
No!
No
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
what
you're
at
you
want
me
to
just
postpone
you
make
you
come
up.
Second!
Would
that
help?
Okay,
all
right!
Okay!
Go
ahead!
A
X
X
The
major
development
plan
details
the
construction
of
46
multi-family
units
within
the
mues
GT
mixed-used
Esure,
Gateway
sub-district.
The
project
consists
of
two
apartment
buildings
and
two
garage
buildings.
With
a
proposed
Building
height
of
almost
40
feet,
a
total
of
69
parking
spaces
are
required
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
98
spaces,
including
four
accessible
spaces.
The
major
development
plan
shows
a
side
along
the
project
Frontage
on
State
Road
441
connect
and
connect
a
sidewalk,
I'm,
sorry
connecting
to
an
internal
walkway
and
a
continuation
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
Wilkins
Street
Frontage.
X
The
applicant
is
required
to
preserve
0.3,
acre
10
of
the
project
area
for
active
and
passive
Recreation.
For
this
size,
the
applicant
is
proposing
approximately
one
acre
for
a
dog
park
and
green
space.
State
Road,
441
and
441
and
Wilkins
frontages
are
decorated,
with
a
mix
of
southern
magnolias
and
crepe
myrtles
as
well
as
well
as
winged
Elms
Adorn,
the
landscape
parking
Islands.
This
project
will
have
two
full
access
connections
to
Wilkins
Street,
which
is
more
than
adequate
to
serve
the
development
of
this
size.
X
The
applicant
is
required
to
rebuild
Wilkins
Street
and
widen
slightly,
so
it
meets
minimum
City
standards.
A
right
turn
lane
will
be
will
be
striped
on
Wilkins
Street,
so
the
through
movement
and
right
turn,
movement
on
the
westbound
Wilkins
are
separate,
are
separate,
Lanes,
a
modified
right
turn.
Lane
will
be
constructed
on
U.S
441
to
allow
driver
wishing
to
make
a
right
turn
on
Wilkins
to
move
right
out
of
the
lane
of
traffic
while
making
the
turn
the
architectural
rendering
shown
here
meet
the
city's
development
design
guidelines.
X
C
V
X
A
L
Thank
you
good
afternoon
for
the
record.
Kim
Fisher
1614
White,
Dove,
Drive,
Winter
Springs
I
am
the
engineer
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
who
was
also
here.
We
agree
with
staff.
We
think
staff
are
working
with
us
on
this
property
I'm
here
for
any
technical
questions,
and
then
we
would
like
to
reserve
time
for
a
rebuttal,
if
so
needed.
L
M
Dennis
new
105,
West,
Magnolia,
I
I,
look
at
these
plans
and
I
see
an
apartment
and
I
hear
about
parking
spaces
that
don't
even
add
up
to
two
parking
spaces
per
unit
and
virtually
every
unit.
That's
going
to
be
rented.
It's
going
to
have
two
vehicles
because
everybody
works
anymore.
It
also
enters
and
exits
onto
Wilkins
Road.
M
M
Z
Z
Happened,
oh
technology,
my
name
is
Dave
crowson
I'm,
one
of
the
property
owners
and
Pilots
out
at
the
airport
and
I'm
also
on
the
HOA
board
at
the
airport.
We
were
here
speaking
back
in
December
year
over
a
year
ago
on
this
project
and
I'll
just
point
out
some
of
the
same
issues
or
questions
or
points
that
we
had
brought
up
at
that
time,
and
that
is
that,
of
course,
our
goal
is
to
maintain
the
value
of
the
airport,
for
the
city
and
for
the
community
for
in
perpetuity.
Z
Healthy
and
viable
airport
is
good
for
everyone.
There's
not
many
cities
have
a
little
airport,
such
as
Apopka.
The
closest
one
would
be
clear
over
at
Orlando
Executive
we're
up
at
Leesburg
or
all
the
way
over
to
Sanford
it.
But
it's
a
well-established
fact
that
when
you
mix
residential
use
and
airports
there
will
be
problems
later.
Everyone
starts
complaining
about
the
noise
I
didn't
realize
that
they
had
Jets
I
didn't
realize
they
had
turbo
props.
Well,
we
do
every
one
of
those
apartment
unit
owners
will
have
an
issue
with
noise
down
the
road.
Z
Z
Z
Guys
are
not
only
going
to
hear
engine
noise
they're
going
to
hear
the
pilot
when
he
turns
the
key
in
the
cockpit
he's
going
to
hear
the
key
click.
This
is
how
close
these
are
to
the
airport.
A
noise
study,
if
it's
performed,
is
not
just
a
simple
task.
The
federal
code
covers
that
the
FAA
under
14
CFR
150.
Z
They
tell
you
how
to
do
a
noise
study.
It's
complicated
and
expensive.
65
decibels
is
the
standard
and
you
have
to
have
a
five-year
projection.
Well,
the
airport
is
only
two-thirds
built
out,
there's
plenty
of
room
for
expansion
of
the
airport
or
for
additional
aircraft
at
the
airport.
So
any
noise
study
will
need
to
look
into
the
future
as
well.
Z
The
list
the
codes
I'll
leave-
I,
don't
have
one
copy,
but
I'll
leave
it
here
with
the
this
person
at
the
end,
yeah,
because
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar
with
the
codes,
we're
asking
that
Apopka
look
at
his
code
and
apply
the
code
to
this
property
and
I
think
you'll
find
that
a
noise
study
is
required
before
anything
can
be
approved
here.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Y
My
name
is
Gregory
Kelso
I'm,
also
a
owner
at
the
Orlando
Public
airport
and
I
have
here
a
copy
of
your
code,
and
your
code
was
adopted
on
March
6
2019.
I'm
really
surprised
that
staff
would
say.
Oh
we're
all
for
this
without
having
told
you
that
your
code
specifically
says
where
the
city
of
Apopka
has
conducted
a
noise
study
in
accordance
with
provision,
14cf,
part,
150.
Y
and
I,
don't
think
you
have.
We
haven't
heard
that
you
have
so
we'll
go
down
to
the
next
section
of
your
code,
e
noise
study
and
complete,
where
the
city
of
popca
has
not
conducted
a
noise
study.
Neither
residential
construction
nor
any
educational
facility,
as
defined
in
this
code,
with
the
exception
of
an
aviation
school
facility,
shall
be
permitted
within
an
area
contiguous
to
the
airport,
measuring
one
half
the
length
of
the
longest
runway
on
either
side
and
at
the
end
of
the
runway,
Center
Line.
So
there's
your
code,
so
your
code
says
no.
Y
Y
333.03
section
2C,
where
an
airport
Authority
are
the
other
governing
body
operating
a
public
use
airport,
has
conducted
a
noise
study
in
accordance
with
14
CFR
part
150,
not
just
any
noise
study.
It
has
to
meet
that
and,
as
we
know,
you
you
haven't
done
it
and
we,
as
the
owners
and
operators
of
our
airport,
haven't
done
it.
Y
So,
let's
go
to
2D
where
the
airport,
Authority
or
other
governing
body
operating
a
public
use
airport
has
not
conducted
a
noise
study,
the
prohibition
of
residential
construction
and
any
educational
facility,
with
the
exception
of
Aviation
school
facility
within
an
area
contiguous
to
the
airport,
measuring
one
half
the
length
of
the
longest
runway
on
either
side
at
the
end
of
the
runway,
Center
Line.
Once
again
you
you
can
only
be
that
distance
away
from
the
airport.
Y
In
addition
to
that
considerations,
when
issuing
or
denying
permits
this
is
under
the
Florida
code,
it
says
and
determining
whether
an
issue
to
deny
a
permit
the
political
subdivision
or
its
administrative
agency
must
consider
the
following,
as
applicable
and
under
Section
D.
It
says
the
effect
of
the
construction
or
alteration
on
the
State
Licensing
standards
for
the
public
use
airport
contained
in
chapter
330
and
the
rules
adopted
there
under.
So
it's
saying
to
you,
it's
saying
you
as
a
your
consideration
of
denying
a
permit
of
a
political
subdivision.
Y
That
would
be
you.
It
is
saying
you
cannot
do
that
unless
you
consider
this
section
section
330
and
the
rules
there
under.
We
know
that
there
was
a
point
in
time
where
the
developer
tried
to
say
we
didn't
qualify
as
an
airport
under
the
rules
of
that
section,
but
we
will
tell
you
that
we
certainly
have
had
our
attorneys
look
at
that,
and
we
do
know
we
qualify
under
that
and
recently
I
contacted
a
member
of
the
Florida
State
Legislature.
Y
R
Had
a
recent
Albert
McCabe
3603
golden
gem
wrote
at
a
recent
Workshop.
We
were
discussing
the
proliferation
of
developments
within
the
city
at
that
particular
Workshop.
I
think
we
spoke
about
5,
000,
new
homes
being
provided,
but
at
that
same
Workshop
we
were
told
that
there's
no
infrastructure
for
Education,
yet
there
hadn't
been
a
single
School
designed
or
where
it's
going
to
be
situated
or
where
or
when
it's
going
to
be
implemented.
R
C
S
Hall
3091
Rolling,
Hills
Lane
I
just
want
to
speak
for
the
record.
The
last
time
we
was
having
discussions
like
this
and
I
brought
up.
We
should
have
some
type
of
consultant
because
it's
kind
of
embarrassing
when
we
got
the
member
of
the
public
coming
in
and
reading
us,
our
code
that
we
should
already
know
and
then
bid
on
applied
those
codes
before
we
bring
it
up
here
to
the
council.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
AB
S
A
AC
Microphone
when
we
did
the
rezoning
for
this
property,
we
actually
deferred
the
noise
study
to
the
applicant
to
complete,
in
addition
to
that,
in
accordance
with
our
code,
where
noise
studies
are
incomplete,
the
property
yes
be
contiguous
to
the
airport.
This
is
across
the
441.
It's
not
directly
adjacent
to
the
property
itself,
so
the
noise
study
itself
will
end
up
showing
where
the,
where
the
waves
and
where
the
noise.
F
Correction,
okay,
so
the
way
the
code
is
written,
it's
it's
an
area
in
an
area
contiguous
to
the
runway,
to
the
sides
of
the
runway.
So
it's
it's
and
the
end
of
the
runway.
So
without
a
noise,
so
you're
going
to
go
a
thousand
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
runway
out
on
either
side
and
then
a
thousand
feet
from
each
end
of
the
runway.
So
that's
your
area!
F
If
you
don't
have
a
noise
study
that
creates
kind
of
the
noise
Contours
the
way
to
explain
it,
noise,
it's
like
a
bowl
and
then
you
can
make
those
uses.
So
under
our
our
code,
under
the
airport,
zoning,
that's
the
other
kids
set,
and
this
is
something
I've
discussed
with
staff
that
perhaps
we
need
to
come
back
and
look
forward.
F
Look
for
perhaps
the
creation
of
an
airport
overlay
zoned,
so
that
certain
certain
regulations
will
cover
areas
that
are
adjacent
to
the
airport,
at
least
as
far
as
the
airport's
zoning
code,
the
zoning
district
is
concerned.
It
it
has
that
thousand
foot
kind
of
a
it's
I
best
call
it
a
buffer,
that's
measured
from
the
end
of
the
runway,
so
you're
measuring
about
a
thousand
feet.
F
So
there
I
mean
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
show
that
that
the
that
that
distance
requirement
from
your
residential
use
now
the
code
doesn't
necessarily
say
it's
to
the
property
line.
So
it's
not
clear.
Is
it
to
the
residential
use?
So
if
you
have
an
additional
buffer
from
the
actual
use
to
the
actual
lit
end
of
the
runway,
do
you
fall
within
that
contiguous
Zone?
That
thousand
foot
surrounding
Zone
that's
enumerated
in
the
airport
zoning
code?
Is
there
airport
zoning
District?
F
Sorry
directly
is
four
thousand
feet,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
you're
here
I
think
I
was
in
point.
Is
it
it's
a
two?
It's
an
actual,
it's
a
four
thousand,
so
that's
the
full
I
mean
I.
I
was
given
the
information
originally
I.
Think
when
speaking
with
someone
that
was
I
was
giving
the
information,
it
was
like
a
two
thousand
foot
operating
Runway,
but
it's
four
thousand.
Then
yes,
it's
half!
So
it's
a
it's
a
2
000
foot
buffer
around
just
explaining
what
it
what
it's.
F
So
the
area
begins
contiguous
to
the
runway,
that
just
half
the
distance
of
the
runway
out
on
both
sides
of
the
runway
and
half
the
distance
out
from
the
ends
of
the
runway,
and
that
creates
your
buffer
around
around
the
runway
and
that,
but
that
changes
of
a
noise
study
is
done.
Then
the
noise
study
gives
you
your
noise
Contours
now,
at
the
same
time,
the
legislature
is
now
contemplating
statutes
to
kind
of
absolve
certain
airports
from
some
noise
complaints
in
regards
to
adjacent
residential
uses.
F
So
that's
currently
working
its
way
through
the
legislature
as
well
to
take
that
into
consideration.
So.
AD
AC
A
AC
AC
F
X
Mayor
as
part
of
the
rezoning
for
this
property
during
that
discussion,
I
think
it
was
2020
when
they
began
the
application
they
conducted.
A
noise
study
before
the
rezoning
was
I
I
believe
adopted
as
part
of
that
approval,
because
I
think
we
require
at
the
time
and
staff
deferred,
because
we
didn't
have
the
resources
that
staff
deferred
the
requirement
of
the
noise
study
to
the
applicant
and
they
submitted
it.
Okay,
yeah.
F
That's
I'm
trying
there
might
be
two
different,
no
just
in
my
prior
experience
in
working
with
airport
zoning
codes,
usually
if
you're
an
owner
of
a
property
that
in
in
my
former
case
that
fell
within
an
airport
overlay
District,
the
FAA
actually
requires
you
to
do
a
noise
study,
as
well
as
a
heightened
obstruction
study
on
your
property
before
you
develop
if
you
fall
within
a
certain
Contour,
but
this
is
a
noise
study
that
is
applicable
to
the
airport,
so
it
creates
the
Contours
for
that
airport
and
all
the
surrounding
areas.
F
A
F
F
Mitigation,
well,
it's
really
limited
to
the
use.
So
without
a
noise
study,
the
two
uses
that
are
what
they
call
restricted
uses
are
educational
uses,
except
for
Aviation,
education
and
residential
right,
commercial
right.
You
can
put
industrial,
those
don't
apply
right.
This
is
just
it's.
Those
two
specific
restricted
uses
that
are
affected
by
any
type
of
of
noise
study,
okay
or.
E
My
name
is
Joe
Savino
I
represent
Natura
Vista
LLC.
AD
E
Okay,
we
discussed
this
at
the
rezone,
which
was
approved.
Last
year
we
had
a
noise
study
completed
by
rml
Acoustics
of
Gainesville
and
I've,
given
you
the
executive
summary
of
that,
very
importantly,
from
a
noise
compatibility
standpoint
number
five
in
the
executive
summaries
says
the
airport
is
compatible
with
residential
use
at
the
proposed
site.
E
Using
the
FAA
noise
criteria
sounds
from
U.S,
441
and
other
sources
far
exceed
the
sound
from
the
airport
number
four
states
that,
even
if
they
were
30
times
the
number
of
current
flights
that
occurred
at
the
airport
on
the
days
that
the
site
noise
measurements
were
performed,
the
the
noise
levels
attributable
to
the
planes
at
locations,
R1
and
R2,
which
are
shown
in
the
study,
would
still
be
below
the
65
decibel.
Threshold
bottom
line
is
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
growth
and
development
of
the
airport
and
that's
issue.
E
E
It's
very
important
that
those
are
all
directed
at
public
use,
airports
and
the
Florida
Statutes
at
3,
30
332,
004
Define,
a
public
use
Airport
as
a
publicly
owned
Airport
through
papka
airport.
To
my
knowledge
and
they've
testified
in
or
they've
spoken
in
previous
instances
before
this
body
and
before
the
Planning
Commission
is
privately
owned,
they're
just
a
private
landowner,
as
we
are.
E
If
you'll
bear
with
me
a
moment,
I
can
go
back
to
Planning
Commission
meeting
where
both
Mr,
Kelso
and
Mr
crowson
testified,
and
they
were
concerned
at
that
point
with
a
development
that
they
were
trying
that
they
were
opposing
on
the
other
side
behind
them.
The
other
direction
across
441.,
not
on
our
side
of
441.,
and
at
that
time,
Mr
Kelso
claimed
that
we
are
a
public
use
airport
at
the
bidding
of
our
owners.
That
could
change
at
any
time
if
our
owners
made
a
decision
to
become
a
private
Airport
I
wish.
E
E
They
allow
other
non-owners
to
come
in
and
use
that
airport,
but
they've
not
executed
a
land
use
restriction
agreement,
any
Perpetual
agreement
to
my
knowledge,
at
least
as
of
2019
when
they
testified
before
the
Planning
Commission.
They
did
not
they
don't.
They
have
there's
no
restriction
at
all
that
tomorrow
they
cannot
and
you
can
ask
them
that
right
now,
there's
nothing
limiting
them
from
becoming
a
non-public
use.
E
At
that
time,
Mr
Kelso
said
it's
virtually
impossible
to
imagine
a
fully
loaded
cargo
plane
would
safely
utilize
our
runways,
and
he
also
stated
this
small
general
aviation
airport
will
never
I
repeat,
never
need
an
airport
support.
District
and
Mr
crowson
stated
that
to
his
understanding,
this
was
again
he
was
opposing
a
development
in
the
other
direction.
E
E
E
So
those
those
are
the
two
considerations
is
this:
a
public
use
Airport
by
definition
under
Florida
statutes,
for
which
your
own
ordinance
was
mandated
and
I.
Believe
it's
not,
and
second,
are
we
compatible
because
we've
done
a
noise
study,
the
noise,
the
your
ordinance
as
if,
if
there's
a
noise
study
presented
again,
it
was
one
that
you
were
supposed
to
the
city
was
supposed
to
prepare.
Well,
the
city
hasn't
prepared
one
we
did
at
our
expense.
E
The
information
is
there.
The
evidence
is
there
for
you
to
consider
that
there
is
not
a
noise
compatibility
issue.
Whether
or
not
this
the
other
issues,
the
half
to
the
distance
of
the
runway
and
those
kinds
of
things
apply,
seem
to
hinge
on
whether
or
not
this
is
a
public
use.
Airport
doesn't
seem
to
be
under
Florida
Statutes
that
it
is
and
I
wish.
You
would
consider
that
they've
made
no
promises
in
perpetuity.
E
V
Don't
know
if
I
have
a
question
I
just
this.
All
of
this
information
was
not
provided
to
us,
so
I
do
appreciate
both
staff,
the
the
owners
across
the
street
and
the
applicant
educating
us
on
that.
I
am
uncomfortable
going
one
way
or
the
other
right
now,
just
because
I
want
to
take
a
deeper
dive
into
all
of
the
statutes
that
were
given
to
us
and
kind
of
understand
what
that
means
and
make
sure
that
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
it.
I
right
now,
I'm
just
uncomfortable
with
what's
been
presented,
I'm.
AE
V
F
Yes,
the
threshold
issue
is,
is
this
a
airport
is,
is:
does
it
qualify
as
an
airport
under
the
federal
regulations
which
are
then
going
to
trigger
how
much
FAA
regulations
are
on
the
airport
and
whether,
when
we're
talking
about
a
noise
study
to
determine
the
noise
Contours
of
an
airport,
the
study
is
actually
performed
by
the
governing
agency
of
the
airport
and
the
airport
is
not
owned
by
the
city
of
Apopka.
So
then
the
question
becomes
okay,
who
what
is
the
governing
airport
and
what
is
the
definition
of
airport?
F
Under
this,
the
federal
regulations
in
14,
CFR
150.7
airport,
is
any
public
use
airport,
including
heliports,
as
defined
by
the
asna
ACT,
which
includes
the
first.
The
first
criteria
is
any
airport
which
is
used
or
to
be
used
for
public
purposes
under
the
control
of
a
public
agency,
the
landing
area
of
which
is
publicly
owned.
So
that's
the
first
threshold
question
is
at
least
is
the
airport
here?
Is
it
owned
by
a
public
agency?
The
area
of
the
city
is
not
only
airport.
The
county
does
not
own
the
airport,
then
the
second.
F
The
second
criteria
is
any
privately
owned
airport,
but
it's
it
is
qualified
as
a
privately
owned
reliever
airport.
So
the
question
now
becomes
is
this
airport?
Does
it
falls
under
the
what
a
privately
owned
reliever
airport
then?
The
third
criteria
is
any
privately
owned
airport,
which
is
determined
by
the
secretary
and
will
be
the
SEC.
That
would
be
the
U.S
Secretary
of
Transportation
to
in
plain
annually,
2500
or
more
passengers
and
receive
scheduled
passenger
service
of
aircraft
which
is
used
or
to
be
used
for
public
purposes.
AA
AA
AA
AA
H
F
V
V
X
X
The
major
development
plan
proposes
an
industrial
Warehouse
Center
that
includes
two
buildings:
the
buildings,
total
240
517
square
feet
and
area
and
are
proposed
to
be
single
story
with
a
maximum
height
of
45
feet,
while
79
parking
spaces
are
required
for
both
buildings.
271
parking
spaces
are
proposed
in
addition
to
the
building
setback
of
131
feet,
there's
an
existing
opaque
fence
as
well
as
proposal
of
southern
magnolias,
winged
Elms,
Oaks
and
high-rise
live
oak
trees
adjacent
to
Lakeside
residential
subdivision.
X
The
applicant
meets
the
open
space
requirement
with
the
proposal
of
a
mulch
Trail
along
the
top
of
pond
one.
The
easternmost
portion
of
the
project
area,
which
connects
to
The
Pedestrian
walkway
at
the
front
of
the
site
site,
is
designed
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
and
intent
of
the
Land
Development
code.
Two
entrances
are
proposed
with
right
turn,
Lanes
to
serve
the
project
from
John's
Road
and
on
the
south
side
of
the
project.
X
Architectural
elevation
meet
the
city's
development
design
guidelines
for
industrial
uses.
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
February
14
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
major
development
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
North
Star
Logistics
Center
to
major
development
plan.
Staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
V
AF
Thank
you,
men,
Commissioners,
I
I,
just
spoke
to
the
applicant
I.
Just
told
him
I'll
be
posing
this
because
there
was
nothing
said
to
us.
There
was
no
sign
of
public
notice,
I've
been
watching,
I
looked
them
up
on
the
property
appraiser,
so
I
knew
they
purchased
it
and
I
knew
it
was
coming
because
of
who
they
are.
AF
But
there
was
no
me
I
am
the
vice
president
of
HOA,
so
there
have
been
no
conversations
or
anything
so
I
would
respect
for
the
suo
to
table
or
deny,
or
at
least
allow
them
to
come
to
us
with
something.
If
you
go
back
to
the
diagram,
the
3D
Vision,
you
will
see,
as
you
said
it's
to
the
what
it
is
to
the
north
to
the
east,
to
the
way
it's
all
around
us
right.
There
I'm
on
oh
I'm,
sorry
Tim,
Ford,
1413,
Waterview
Ridge.
AF
You
come
in
red
in
our
back
door,
so
I
have
text
other
residents
to
get
online
that
they
can
see
because
we
didn't
know
it's
just
ironic
that
I
showed
up
the
council
meeting
rather
than
being
online,
that
I
can
speak
and
so
I
do.
Thank
God
that
I
showed
up.
D
X
Some
major
development
plans,
as
decided
by
the
community
development
director,
would
be
required
to
have
like
a
pre-application
community
meeting,
as
as
the
community
development
director
decides
on,
determines
rather
at
the
review
of
the
site
plan.
But
there's
not
I
mean
this
is
entitled
for
industrial
future
land
use
and
also
is
entitled
for
zoning
District
of
Il,
which
is
light
industrial.
The
proposed
use
is
consistent
with
what's
permitted
on
there.
They
meet
all
the
site,
design
standards
as
well.
AF
AF
It
meets
the
threshold
it
meets
this,
but
Common
Sense
have
to
come
in
you're
in
my
back
door.
So
even
though
it
meet
and
I'm
not
saying
they
shouldn't
have
it
right,
but
they
should
have
a
sit
down
with
us
to
say
how
can
we?
How
is
this
going
to
work?
Is
it
a
24-hour
facility
that
we
hear
semi
trucks
all
night
all
day
matter
of
fact,
as
you
know,
with
Pam
I
know
what
their
names
it's
a
two-lane
road.
We
have
a
real
bad
traffic
problem
at
Bradshaw
and
Jones
Road.
AF
and
now,
with
the
with
the
the
industrial
that's
already
there,
and
this
massive
piece
of
matter
of
fact,
they're
building
on
okoy,
a
pop
can
I
think
they
have
an
entrance
out
to
John's
Road
I'm,
not
sure
if
they're
going
to
use
it,
but
now
you
want
to
add
more
to
it.
So,
yes,
it
might
meet
and
all
of
the
approvals
from
everybody
else,
and
why
would
the
community
development
director
not
request
them
to
talk
to
us
in
our
back
door,
blows
my
mind.
A
AC
I,
honestly,
don't
recall
waving
the
requirement
for
the
for
this
to
be
have
have
a
public
meeting
for
this
because
it
is
adjacent
to
the
property
owners.
I'm.
Sorry,
Kim
I
do
not
recall
waving
the
requirement
for
the
community
meeting
because
it
is
adjacent
to
the
subdivision.
Okay,.
A
Are
honored
going
from
eye
to
you
know
industrial
to
residential?
You
know,
there's
no,
there's
no
buffer,
you
know
the
commercial
or
office.
To
so
I
mean
I.
Think
unless
the
the
applicant
says
it's
been
sent
out,
I
guess
we
need
to
ask
the
applicant:
did
it
get
sent
out
and
if,
but
are
we
sure
that
you
didn't.
A
AC
One
of
the
things
that
I
mean
they
could
they
could
still
do
that.
Obviously
I
think
they
should,
but
they,
the
the
development,
does
meet.
All
the
regulations
like
like
Miss
Sanchez
mentioned
it
does
meet,
I
mean
and
a
little
bit
more.
It.
AC
A
little
bit
more
in
regards
to
setback
for
the
buildings
themselves,
so.
C
AG
My
address
is
5127
South
Orange,
Avenue,
Orlando,
Florida
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
owner
and
as
relates
to
the
community
meeting,
it
is
optional
and
a
few
things
and
I'll
come
back
to
the
community
meeting
in
terms
of
you
know
what
what
we
can
do,
but
as
far
as
the
site
that
is
zoned
Industrial,
it
had
an
existing
use
on
it,
which
predates
the
single-family
residential
development.
AG
What
we
are
proposing
is
consistent
with
your
city
code.
We
meet
all
standards,
we're
not
asking
for
a
waiver
and
basically
the
amount
of
development
which
we
are
proposing
is
also
one-third
of
the
maximum
allowed
on
this
side.
So
from
that
standpoint
we
meet
all
the
standards
we
meet
city
code,
that's
zoned
properly.
AG
We
did
a
traffic
study,
we
are
providing
the
turn
lane,
so
we've
gone
through
extensive
review
with
your
staff,
and
we
have
done
everything
to
mitigate
the
fact
that
we
are
adjacent
to
the
residential
on
the
west
and
north
side.
So,
as
far
as
not
having
the
community
meeting
we're
willing
to
sit
down
and
talk
with
the
residential
Community,
it
wasn't
a
situation
we're
trying
to
bypass
that
right.
We
thought
it
was
pretty
straightforward
from
the
standpoint
we
meet
all
the
criteria.
A
AG
Want
to
be
good
neighbors
and
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
you
know
if
they
have
any
concerns,
would
be
willing
to
work
with
them
on
it.
Okay,.
D
D
D
I
understand
that,
but
there's
a
concern
because
it's
industrial,
it's
right
behind
a
residential
I
mean
so
it's
our
responsibility.
We
realize
that
this
light
Industrial
project
is
going
to
go
behind
a
residential,
so
wouldn't
it
be
I
guess
makes
sense
for
us
to
say
it's
optional,
but
because
you're
behind
a
residential
Community
it
would
be
a
courtesy
to
at
least
let
them
know,
and
then
you
would
get
a
feedback,
but
I
find
that
at
planning
and
zoning
this
wasn't
discussed
now.
D
It
comes
really
to
the
last
deciding
board
and
then
all
these
obstacles
and
challenges
come
up
and
there's
time
invested
by
everyone,
I
understand
and
so
I.
You
know,
then
you're
asking
us
to
vote
on
something
that
has
all
these
that
just
has
a
real
big
gray
area,
that's
kind
of
leaving
us
in
our
position.
D
X
Stuff
planners,
don't
have
the
discretion
to
I,
don't
have
the
discretion,
because
it's
optional
right.
However,
the
code
does
state
that
if
the
community
director
community
development
director
determines
that
this
should
require
a
community
meeting,
then
they
would
have
one
in
the
process
of
this
review
that
determination's
never
been
made.
We've
not
been
informed
of
any
kind
of
public.
X
D
X
V
F
Okay,
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
the
record
that
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
is
publicly
noticed
and
it
the
the
public,
has
every
opportunity
to
speak
before
the
Planning
Commission
as
much
as
they
have
to
speak
before
here.
So
if
we
appear
at
Planning
Commission,
there's
no
opposition,
there's
no
discussion,
no
concerns,
and
now
we
come
here
and
and
at
city
council,
it's
the
first
time
we
have
public
concern.
These
aren't
issues
that
were
raised
prior.
F
No
I
don't
want
to
allude
that
the
community
wasn't
notified
of
the
Planning
Commission
meet
it's
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
the
item.
If
it's
going
for
the
Planning
Commission
is
noticed.
Just
as
it's
noticed,
the
public
has
the
same
notice
that
an
item
is
going
to
come
before
the
city
council
as
it
is
going
to
come
before
the
Planning
Commission.
If
they
don't
appear,
I'm,
not
faulting,
someone
for
not
appearing
if
they
might
not
have
seen
the
notice.
F
What
all
I'm
simply
stating
is
that
if
the,
if
residents
come
and
appear
for
the
first
time
at
city
council
I
mean
we
have
to
give
the
opportunity
to
address
it
at
that
time,
but
that,
if
some,
if
those
issues
weren't
raised
at
Planning
Commission-
and
we
moved
forward
in
the
record
before
the
Planning
Commission-
is
such
and
now
they're
brought
for
the
first
time
at
city
council,
we'll
address
them
at.
AH
AF
AF
What
I
do
know
I
look
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
online
too.
Normally,
when
there's
a
proposal
coming
like
at
another
piece
of
property
that
I
have
off
of
Michael
Glenn
I
got
a
letter.
That
said
this
will
come
up
before
planning
and
zoning,
and
you
look
for
your
yellow
sign
that
they
normally
put
out
there
on
the
property.
There
has
not
been
any
of
that.
None
of
that
has
been
there
because
the
property
is
at
the
entrance
of
our
subdivision.
I
knew
because
of
the
same
owner.
AF
That's
doing
the
other
project
across
the
street
that
eventually
it
was
coming
and
I
thought
it
was
two
or
three
years
down
the
line,
but
I
knew
it
was
coming
so
I
paid
special
attention
to
it.
How
did
I
know
to
show
up
here
today?
I
didn't
I
just
happened
to
say:
hey
I'm
off
today.
Let
me
go
see
what
drum
is
at
the
city
council
meeting
today
then,
when
I
look,
I
see
seven
35
and
815
Johns
Road
with
my
smart
self,
I
Googled
I
Google.
AF
Oh,
this
is
the
property
that
I've
been
I,
didn't
even
know
so.
I
take
a
picture
and
text
it
to
other
residents.
Now
I
will
say
this,
so
we
won't
have
a
fight
in
this.
Something
needs
to
be
done.
I
wish
the
present
structure
would
just
burn
down
because
it's
horrible
I
don't
know.
If
y'all
been
down
there
to
see
it
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
saying
something
shouldn't
be
done,
but
I
think
we
should
have
known.
What's
coming
what
we
will
be
expecting
in
this
industrial
area.
That's
coming
the
average
home
out.
AF
There
is
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
the
smallest
one
and
just
sit
there
coming
at
your
entrance
with
a
big
Warehouse
coming
not
and
talk
about
the
construction
and
everything
else,
the
roadway
and
then
we
just
say:
well,
we
did
the
study
and
it
meets
all
the
criteria.
I
get
that
I
get
that
I
get
that
you
know.
441
meets
the
criteria
for
McDonald's,
but
you
just
can't
put
them
anywhere.
You
know
so
I
just
think
there
should
be
a
conversation
with
with
the
developer
and
the
community
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page.
AF
You
didn't
know
about
well,
unfortunately,
I
can't
go
to
every
city
public
meeting,
whether
it's
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
council
meeting
and
just
sit
there
and
say
well.
Let
me
see
if
this
address
is
going
to
come
up,
but
I
look
for
what
comes
that.
There's
a
display
of
a
public
notice,
an
announcement.
That's
coming!
AC
A
couple
things
real,
quick,
the
public
notification
signs
are
when
there's
a
land
use
or
a
rezoning
done,
not
for
all
the
different
developments
that
we
have
throughout
the
city.
We've
got
a
thousand
different
developments
going
in
I
talked
to
Mr
Somalian.
We
are
going
to
recommend
tabling
this
to
the
first
meeting
in
April,
okay,
which
will
give
enough
time
to
do
a
notification
to
the
neighboring
residents
and
the
HOAs,
and
then
that
way
they
can
see
what
the
plan
is
and
what
it
looks
like.
Thank.
A
AI
And
just
to
let
everybody
know
too:
this
was
a
former
the
horrible
structures
there,
former
agriculture
related
right
nurseries,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
pollution
on
the
property,
so
we
bought
it.
Knowing
we'd
have
to
deal
with
it.
It's
because
there's
no
other
residential
user
can
really
buy
it
and
mitigate
it
properly,
and
so
we've
gone
through
a
lot
of
efforts.
A
AI
H
24.
you've
got
a
road,
I
know
you're
meeting
buffer
requirements,
but
you
got
a
road
right
behind
there.
You
got
parking
spots
right
behind
it
to
Mr
Ford's
point:
we
don't
know
the
hours
of
operations,
yet
you
could
have
cars
coming
in
now,
they're
24
7.,
you
got
lights
coming
in
you
know,
that's
got
to
be
a
top
of
mind
I'm,
assuming
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion
during
your
community
meeting.
So
that
will
be
top
of
mind
for
me
as
well
sure.
A
5Th,
okay,
make
a
motion
get
a
motion
to
approve
tabling
this
agenda
item
until
April
5th.
So
much.
X
Gene
Sanchez
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
This
is
a
request
to
approve
the
wingspan
ABC
Kelly
Park,
major
development
plan
and
just
to
let
you
know
the
meeting
agenda,
the
development
project
is
listed
as
a
46
unit
multi-family,
but
the
correct
number
of
units
is
actually
368
multi-family
units
and
42
500
square
feet
of
non-residential
square
footage.
Apologies
for
that
the
property
is
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
Kelly
Park
Road
in
Plymouth
Rancho,
approximately
21.36
acres
in
size.
X
The
master
plan
for
this
development
was
approved
on
September
21st
2022,
as
a
companion
to
rezoning
ordinance
number
2936
like
this.
As
mentioned,
the
major
development
plan
proposes
a
total
of
368
multi-family
units
encompassing
156
one-bedroom
units,
162
two-bedroom
units
and
44
three-bedroom
units.
Approximately
18
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
commercial
development
consists
of
45
200
square
feet
for
restaurants,
retail
and
office
uses
with
a
post,
total
floor
area
ratio
of
0.75
full
access
with
right
and
left
turn.
X
Lanes
is
proposed
on
Kelly
Park
Road
and
at
the
time
Kelly
Park
Road
is
wide
into
four
lanes.
The
full
access
may
be
closed
off
by
media
and
resulting
in
a
write-in
Rideout
only
or
right
and
right
out
left
turn
in
Access
connection
to
the
site.
Cross
connections
to
the
west
and
North
are
also
provided.
X
The
many
Open
Space
Program
comprises
of
2.74
Acres
that
includes
covered
Pavilion,
pocket
parks
with
benches
plazas
pool
with
deck
and
Lounge
areas,
green
and
passive
spaces
and
a
playground
project
site
is
embellished
with
red
Maples.
Southern
magnolias,
Live,
Oaks,
Japanese,
blueberries
and
Holly
trees
shown
are
the
applicant's
pose
architectural
renderings.
X
D
R
R
You
don't
have
any
plans
for
any
schools
in
the
area.
How
can
you
continue
to
accept
these
developments?
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
our
children?
Where
are
they
going
to
go
I'm
in
a
loss
for
why
we
don't
have
a
moratorium,
or
at
least
at
this
point
we
don't
have
the
economic
development
director
and
I
didn't
use
it
when
that's
going
to
be
in
place,
because
this
is
ludicrous.
M
Dennis
new
105,
West
Magnolia
I
have
the
same
thing
for
this:
I
have
for
virtually
all
of
them
infrastructure
and
what
all
it
entails.
It's
more
than
just
Plumbing.
It's
roadways,
it's
schools!
It's
an
understaffed
and
underperforming
fire
department
under
the
current
leadership.
It's
an
understaffed,
Police
Department
that
puts
the
burden
on
Chief,
McKinley
and
chief
Miller
we're
adding
people
not
not
by
the
car
load
by
the
busload,
and
we've
made
no
plans
to
accommodate
infrastructure,
totally
sewage
water
resources,
roadways,
education
for
the
kids,
you're
big
on
education.
M
N
Rod
Olson
3156
Rolling,
Hills,
Lane
Apopka
and
with
the
length
of
the
meeting
I'm
not
going
to
beat
you
up
every
with
every
new
development,
but
again
the
three
questions:
how
is
the
city
and
how
these
citizens
gonna
going
to
benefit
by
this
development
to
the
school?
Again
talking
about
the
aspect
of
schools,
we
know
the
problem
is
Tallahassee
and
we're
going
to
have
to
put
a
nail
in
the
coffin
on
these
issues.
N
Tallahassee
won't
approve
Orange
County
for
schools
until
they
can
fill
the
building,
which
explains
why
the
Wolf
Lake
Campus
for
16
years
had
kids
in
Portables
Portables
were
more
expensive
to
operate
they're
not
as
safe
for
the
kids
and
anytime
there's
a
weather
event.
They
have
to
Buddy
up
with
a
real
building
the
the
brick
and
mortar
buildings.
In
order
to
do
it
and
again
do
we
have
the
roads?
N
Do
we
have
the
sewer
and
infrastructure
to
support
it
further
with
the
aspect
of
the
discussion
just
a
while
ago,
with
regard
to
the
aspect
of
letting
neighbors
know,
I
think
that
certainly
we
ought
to
amend
the
code
So
within
a
certain
number
of
miles
for
any
development.
You
notify
the
HOA
or
the
people,
so
they
can
come
up
and
not
have
to
be
surprised.
I
know
these
items
are
are
published,
but
how
many
people
take
the
time
to
look
at
it
and
you
can
say
well:
no,
it's
on
them.
I
think
it's
on
us.
H
H
I
just
want
to
address
a
couple
of
them
because
again,
I
commented
the
last
time
we
we
looked
at
this
section,
it's
all
part
of
the
Kelly
Park,
interchange,
first
and
foremost,
and
anything
that
I
say
if
staff
please
correct
me
if
I
say
anything
incorrectly,
but
in
terms
of
school
capacity,
we're
not
doing
any
land
use
the
land
uses
as
such
were
all
those
reservations
should
be
on
Orange
County,
for
them
to
consider
what
the
future
land
use
would
have
been
here
in
terms
of
Max
density
and
so
forth.
H
X
Correct
the
school
capacity
was
entitled
for
this
project
at
Future,
land
use
and
zoning.
X
They
will
go
through
School
concurrency
agreement,
just
like
in
the
consent
agenda
items
today.
Yes,.
H
Correct
and
so
again,
it's
probably
time
for
us
to
go
back
down
to
ocps
and
work
with
our
school
board
partner,
Melissa,
Byrd
and
and
I
know
that
she
would
probably
be
amenable
to
that,
and
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
do
that.
The
the
other
piece,
the
economic
development
front,
I
think
even
before
I
remember
when
I
was
first
running
like
six
years
ago.
H
H
Right
now
that
we've
we
have
posted
for
something
that
you
can
do
to
promote
economic
development
is
the
idea
that
we
are
growing
in
a
responsible
Manner
and
doing
that
on
something
like
this,
because
economic
development
is
development
itself
in
a
responsible
way
right.
You
always
have
to
caveat
that
you
know.
Obviously
we
just
sat
in
here
in
February
7th
and
talked
through
the
pioneering
Transportation
agreement
that
would
impact
Kelly,
Park
Road,
specifically
I'm,
not
sure.
H
If
it
was
Plymouth
Sorrento
as
well
but
Kelly
Park
for
sure,
but
you
know
there
there
are
concerns
here.
It's
not
I'm,
not
dismissing
the
concerns,
but
this
is
an
area
of
our
city
that,
with
this
mixed-use
product,
commercial,
opportunity
and
stuff,
like
that,
it's
it's
something
that
residents
that
I've
spoken
with
are
are
Desiring.
H
AD
Thank
you,
mayor
Commissioners,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
Becker,
for
pointing
out
those
items.
You
know
really
the
city
adopted
over
a
long
period
of
time,
a
vision
for
what
they
wanted
to
see
at
the
Kelly
Park
interchange
and
adopted
the
overlay,
and
this
really
is
a
positive
project,
because
it's
about
implementation
of
that
and
it's
and
it's
both
rooftops
residential
residents
that
are
going
to
support
the
commercial,
the
retail,
the
restaurants
and
I
think
when
we
first
started
this.
AD
That
was
talking
about
15,
000
square
feet
of
of
retail
in
restaurants
and
and
that
ended
up
about
tripling
through
the
process.
This
this,
as
I,
said
it's
consistent
with
the
city's
comp
plan,
with
your
zoning
with
your
Kelly
Park,
interchange,
overlay
and
then
the
the
we've
worked
with
City
staff,
who
are
the
subject
matter.
Experts
regarding
compliance
with
with
all
of
these
items,
we
do
comply
with
the
land
use
code.
AD
We
did
previously
through
this
process,
have
a
community
meeting
where,
where
notices
were
were
sent
out,
and
then
we
did
have
the
the
unanimous
recommendation
of
approval
from
the
DRC
and
from
your
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
and
we
we
are
going
we've
we're
vested
for
schools,
but
we
had
a
concurrency
management
agreement
that
was
approved
by
the
Orange
County
Public
Schools
on
January
24th,
and
it
does
result
in
this
project
paying
about
2.8
million
dollars
in
just
Capital
School
impact
fees
with
that,
and
so
with
that
we've.
AD
This
really
is
the
city
laid
out
a
vision,
and
this
applicant
came
in
and
said:
okay,
we're
going
to
implement
completely
in
compliance
with
your
vision,
no,
no
waivers
no
variances,
and
so
this
really
is
the
start
of
that
sort
of
economic
growth
that
is
viable
and
sustainable
in
the
location
where
the
city
really
wants
to
see
it.
We
we
have
our
our
engineer
and
our
team
here
to
answer
any
questions
and.
H
H
H
V
You
I
had
a
quick
question:
do
you
know
or
have
any
prospective
tenants
already
lined
up
for
the
commercial
spaces.
AD
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Our
my
client
indicates
that
there
has
been
a
ton
of
interest
in
this
site
and
that
there
are
a
few
Lois
letters
of
intent
that
are
that
are
going
around
right
now,
and
so
they
look
forward
to
announcing
some
of
that
publicly
pretty
soon.
We.
C
F
V
D
A
X
A
X
The
property
is
located
north
of
State,
Road,
436
and
south
of
Monroe
Avenue,
approximately
5.744
acres
in
size.
The
aerial
shows
residential
uses
on
the
North
and
Commercial
uses
on
the
east
south
and
proposed
commercial
on
the
west
The
Oaks
at
Monroe.
Major
development
plan
comprises
of
86
multi-family
units
within
the
mud,
mixed-use
downtown
zoning
District.
The
project
consists
of
three
apartment
buildings
in
which
each
unit
has
a
minimum
living
area
of
750
square
feet.
X
X
The
applicant
is
required
to
preserve
10
percent
of
the
project
area
for
open
space
or
amenity
and
they're
proposing
17
approximately
one
acre.
The
amenity
program
includes
a
clubhouse
pool
and
a
dog
park.
The
State
Road
436
Frontage
is
embellished
with
Hollies
and
preserved
oak
trees
live
oaks
and
southern
magnolias
are
placed
along
the
western
eastern
boundaries.
X
Live
Oaks
find
the
front
of
the
Monroe
Avenue
Frontage.
This
project
will
have
a
single
access
to
the
roadway
Network
on
Monroe
Avenue.
A
secondary
emergency
access
will
also
be
provided
on
Monroe
via
stabilized
surface
and
locked
gate.
The
project
also
has
cross
connectivity
to
the
West
near
the
southwest
corner
of
the
project.
X
Based
on
the
city's
Land
Development
code,
section
5.16,
5b3
D2.
There
shall
be
a
rebuttal
presumption
that
a
left
turn
lane
shall
be
required
for
all
residential
and
non-residential
developments
and
less
waived
by
the
city
council.
Therefore
all
constructions.
Therefore,
at
construction
site
plan
review,
the
project
will
be
required
to
include
a
left
turn
right
lane
on
Monroe
Avenue
at
the
site
entrance.
X
G
We're
a
little
concerned
about
it,
there's
just
nothing.
We
can
do
about
it
right
now
until
that
property
comes
in
when
when
we,
whenever
they
come
in
and
develop,
we
will
make
that
a
proper
four-way
stop
intersection,
which.
G
We
tried
to
get
this
development
to
make
a
connection
on
the
northern
part
of
their
property
so
that,
once
those
properties
come
in
and
develop,
their
entrance
can
be
modified.
So
everything
moves
to
the
west
and
comes
out
where
we
have
the
the
traffic
control,
but
they
couldn't
make
that
work.
So
as
a
result
of
not
being
able
to
have
an
access
on
436,
they
are,
they
have
one
entrance
for
all
their
traffic.
Hence
the
need
for
the
left
turn
lane.
G
AJ
G
I
did
as
far
as
what's
fall,
going
down
6th
Street.
That's
where
people
are
going
they're
going,
Monroe
and
6th
Street
to
avoid
the
gridlock
and
traffic
on
6th
Street
in
since
2020
the
daily
count
has
tripled
and
the
PM
peak
hour
has
more
than
doubled,
so
I
I'm,
assuming
that
it's
same
on
Monroe
we
get
complaints
about
traffic
on
Monroe
and
I.
G
You
can't
look
just
at
the
number
of
turns
that
are
entering
and
exiting
this
project.
You
have
to
look
more
holistically
and
and
think
about
safety,
and
that
left
turn
lane
will
provide
another
layer
of
safety
since
there's
not
a
whole
lot
else,
we
can
do.
Monroe
is
Monroe.
It's
going
to
be
a
two-lane
road.
G
No
and
and
we
we,
the
city,
tried
to
talk
to
them
on
behalf
of
this
development.
We
all
gave
it
a
go
and
the
applicant
tried
to
talk
to
him
and
they
are.
G
They
have
an
idea
about
their
property.
Its
own
commercial
they've
been
paying
commercial
taxes
for
the
10
years,
that
they've
owned
the
property
10
years
or
something,
and
so
they
want
to
do
something
there,
that's
spectacular,
so
they
can
recoup
their
losses,
but
I
think
they
don't
know
what
that
is,
and
they're
not
prepared
to
do
it
right
now.
Okay,.
B
G
C
D
M
M
Next
to
the
Faircloth
property
and
the
downtown
City
thing
that
was
planned
and
talked
about
that
the
city
lost
millions
of
dollars
on
with
political
connections
and
crooked
bankers.
What
do
we
got
for
it?
We
got
a
hotel.
We
got
a
roundabout
to
Nowhere
where
the
homeless
people
congregate
and
now
we're
going
to
drop
in
another
apartment
complex
on
the
people
over
on
Monroe.
Have
you
driven
down
Monroe?
Lately,
traffic
is
horrendous
and
we're
going
to
drop
another
apartment
complex
home.
M
N
N
C
L
Hello
again
for
the
record:
Ken
Fisher,
1614,
White,
Dove,
Drive,
Winter,
Springs,
Florida
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
for
the
property,
and
we
also
have
the
attorney
here
and
we
have
our
traffic
engineer.
We
agree
with
staff,
with
the
exception
of
the
left,
turn
lane.
As
you
see
the
plan
that
we
have
presented
before
you,
there
is
no
turn
lane
shown.
That
is
because
we
are
just
now
hearing
about
this
requirement.
L
A
L
Can
you
point
yeah
yeah,
that's
two
things.
At
the
same
time,
for
me,
we
yeah
we
have
a
lift
station
right
on
the
corner,
where
Jim
is
pointing
a
city
of
Apopka
owned,
lift
station
right
there.
If
we
do
a
left
turn
lane,
we've
got
tapers
and
these
tapers
are
going
to
extend
beyond
our
property
in
places
that
we
don't
have.
Control
of.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
dedicate
right
away
and
we
have
no
way
of
moving
that
lift
station.
L
L
G
The
rebuttable
rebuttal
presumption
has
been
in
our
land
code
since
before
I
started
working
here.
Okay,
you
know
I
I.
It's
not
my
responsibility
to
tell
every
developer,
to
read
Our
Land
Development
code
and
and
do
what
they're
supposed
to
I
spent
most
of
my
time
working
with
this
applicant
working
on
the
access
that
they
wanted
on
State
Road
436.,
you
know
I
I'm,
sorry
they
feel
like
they
just
are
knowing
about
this,
but
it's
the
code.
I,
don't
have
the
authority
to
change
it.
The
code
says
that
you
do.
You
can
tell
them.
G
They
don't
have
to
put
a
left
turn
lane
in
there
and
I
understand
they
might
have
some
issues,
but
we
can
do
a
modified
left
turn
lane.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
the
full
thing,
just
something
to
get
people
out
of
the
the
flow
of
traffic,
so
they
can
safely
make
a
left
turn.
I
can't
tell
them
they
don't
have
to
put
a
turtlene
in
there
and
whatever
issues
they
have.
A
AE
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
Amir,
my
name
is
vasu
Prasad
with
Premier
traffic
group
based
in
Winter
Garden.
So
we
did
a
traffic
traffic
turning
warrant
analysis
for
the
turn,
Lanes
So,
based
on
everything
that
all
the
warrants
that
we
typically
use
internally
and
is
not
worn
to
the
left
turn
lane
because
of
the
13
vehicles
in
our.
So
that's
roughly
one
every
six
minutes,
which
is
a
pretty
low
volume
situation.
AE
My
concern
here
this
is
a
traffic
engineer
and
doing
this
for
18
years
would
be
that
if
you
put
a
turn
lane
here,
that
may
hurt
the
effectiveness
and
the
safety
of
putting
a
turn
lane
at
the
T
intersection
when
the
property
the
South
develops.
So
ideally,
if
it's
my
opinion
as
a
traffic
engineer
that
if
you
have
to
put
a
turn
lane
on
this
roadway,
it
most
likely
have
to
go
at
the
intersection
because
of
the
higher
volumes
of
traffic
there.
AE
So,
for
that
reason,
I
think
looking
at
everything,
given
that
a
turn
lane
is
not
warranted
by
the
different
codes
and
requirements
and
the
low
volume
on
here,
even
though
traffic
as
Miss
Richmond
said,
traffic
is
increasing
and
so
forth,
it
is
a
low
volume
left
turn
and
the
overall
safety
in
the
quarter
could
be
impacted
by
having
turn
lanes
that
aren't
being
used
properly.
You
can
have
situations
where
people
use
turn
Lanes,
as
bypasses
that
creates
a
potential
conflict
and
so
forth.
AE
So
there's
more
to
consider
than
just
you
know,
application
of
this
Covenant
in
the
code.
There
is
also
the
overall
aspect
of
the
numbers
and
and
the
warrants
so
typically
a
warrant
would
say
a
turn.
Lane
is
not
warranted,
because
simply
it
is
based
upon
some
of
these
safety,
criterias
and
so
forth.
So
that's
my
two
cents
in
the
matter.
If
you
have
any
Impressions.
A
H
H
H
Well,
I
mean
in
all
fairness
to
the
applicant
I
mean
the
there
is
no
presence
of
on
their
on
their
plans.
Existence
of
a
left
turn
lane
so
I
don't
know.
H
AK
If
I
may,
mayor,
I'm,
Scott,
Baker,
Zimmerman,
Kaiser,
Sutcliffe,
Law,
Firm,
315,
East,
Robinson,
Street
Orlando
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I,
want
to
maybe
try
and
approach
this
from
a
different
angle.
Briefly,
and
that
is
that,
assuming
we
did
know
about
this
requirement,
it
is
in
the
code
can't
deny
that
the
code
says
there's
a
rebuttable
presumption,
I
think
the
only
evidence,
the
only
competent
substantial
evidence
in
your
file
today
is
from
our
traffic
engineer
that
clearly
rebuts
that
presumption.
AK
So
we're
asking
you
to
let
us
proceed
with
the
plan
that
is
in
front
of
you
that
we've
provided
the
professional
evidence
to
show
that
it's
it's
not
a
safety
issue.
That's
it's
not
warranted
and
there's
no
other
evidence
in
your
file
today
or
any
testimony.
You've
heard
that
rebuts
our
position
so
I
would
appreciate
your
support
of
the
plan
as
presented.
We've
met
every
other
code,
you've
you
have
in
your
book
and
we
think
we're
ideal
use
for
this
site.
Thank
you.
V
H
E
H
Point
I
mean
if
we
don't
have
the
testimony
in
front
of
us,
I
mean
I
can't
take
verbal
yeah.
It
is
as
testimony
on
the
other
hand,
what
he,
what
the
applicant
just
quoted,
does
staff
have
their
own
testimony
to
dispute
the
claim
made
because
again
we're
in
a
quasi-judicial
matter.
We're
gonna
have
to
face
our
our
decision
here,
based
off
of
the
testimony
here
within
this
business.
G
I
can
tell
you
that
those
traffic
volumes
have
grown
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
exact
numbers
from
Southwick,
Commons
and
and-
and
it's
applicable
here
too
and
I
can
get
you
the
numbers
that
show
you
how
much
traffic's
grown
on
Monroe,
and
this
is
since
2020
to
2023
traffic
counts
that
were
taken
earlier
this
year
on
6th
Street
in
2020.
The
daily
count
was
787
trips
on
the
segment
between
Alabama
and
441.
G
in
2023.
That
number
has
grown
to
2560.
and
I
expect
that
we
would
see
similar
volumes
on
or
similar
increase
on
Monroe
because
people
they
are
avoiding
the
gridlock
on
441.
we're
trying
to
work
with
DOT
to
get
something
done
about
that.
But
that's
just
the
reality.
G
We
have
a
beautiful
grid
system
in
the
city,
and
people
are
opting
to
use
it
and
asking
for
a
left
turn
lane
to
help
make
that
access
to
that
site,
they're
required
by
law
to
have
provide
safe
and
adequate
access
to
their
site
and
the
left
turn
lane
provides
an
another
layer
of
safety
to
get
people
into
that
site.
We've
heard
from
people
that
live
off
of
Cristiano
what
they
think
about
the
traffic
out
there,
and
this
is
just
one
one
thing
that
can
be
done
to
make-
that
a
little
bit
safer.
C
AK
Sure,
thank
you
with
all
due
respect
to
your
staff.
The
traffic
counts
and
I'm,
not
a
traffic
engineer.
So,
but
I
can
tell
you
simple
traffic
count.
Volumes
are
not
the
type
of
analysis
that
goes
into
whether
a
turn
lane
is
required.
That
would
be
what
our
Engineers
report
us
for
and
I'm
happy
to
have
him
testify
at
right
now
and
I
think
we
he
just
did
testify
that
no
left
turn
lane
is
needed
here.
AK
So
if
we
want
to
make
this
more
formal,
which
I
think
we're
entitled
to
do,
I
think
he
can
read
this
entire
report
into
the
record
at
this
moment
he
can
summarize
it.
He
can
answer
questions,
but
I
would
I
would
ask
the
commission
to
consider
we.
A
F
Next
question:
if,
if
I
may
interject
with
this
I
I,
think
the
argument
of
the
left
turn
lane
might
be
here
premature
because
art
the
staff's
comments,
this
is
an
approval
of
the
major
development
plan
right.
The
staff's
comments
are
that
the
left
turn
lane
would
be
addressed
at
construction
plan
review.
Okay,
and
at
that
point
now
we've
got
a
rebuttal
standard
now
at
that
point,
I
think
it
might
be
the
proper.
A
F
Then
have
the
presentation
and
if
they're,
seeking
a
technical
deviation
from
the
code
it'll
be
addressed
at
that
time
and
then
presented
forward
I
think
we
may
be
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
Here.
The
major
development
plan
can
go
forward.
It
still
has
to
go
through
the
construction
plan
review
and
at
that
point
that's
the
that's
what
staff's
comments?
F
Actually
that's
where
that
issue
would
be
addressed,
we're
acknowledging
the
revocable
presumption
and
then
that
that
would
be
the
proper
time
and
proper
venue
to
discuss
that
issue
without
having
to
table
this
and
proceed
forward.
Not
we're
not
going
to
make
that
determination
today
when
it's
a
review,
that's
done
at
construction
plan
review.
Okay,.
F
L
F
L
So
in
in,
and
thank
you
for
the
opinion,
so
we're
not
slated
to
come
back
here
again,
and
so
it's
really
hard
for
we've.
Already
looked
at
this
in
a
traffic
Trend
Lane
in
a
widening
doesn't
fit
so
to
look
at
that
and
to
come
back
a
second
time
for
a
redesign
that
we've
already
looked
at
that
doesn't
fit.
L
That's
we've
got
we've
got
hindrances
to
do
a
left
turn
lane.
You
know
we
would
have
to
redesign
to
do
a
right-of-way
dedication
in
order
to
accommodate
a
left
turn
lane.
That's
a
different
issue,
but
the
problem
is
is
once
we
do
the
proper
tapers
for
a
left
turn
lane,
which
the
tapers
will
go
back
to
the
left
and
to
the
right.
We're
going
to
encroach
onto
property-
that's
not
controlled
by
us
and
there's
a
lift
station
in
the
way
that
would
stop
would
would
prohibit
us
from
being
able
to
do
a
right.
L
A
widening
in
that
area.
So
I
think
that,
with
all
due
respect,
I
I
you,
your
staff,
has
our
traffic
study.
It
may
not
be
in
your
report,
but
this
was
something
that
was
required.
We
are
required
to
do
a
traffic
study,
I'm,
not
sure
the
benefit
of
requiring
us
to
do
a
traffic
study
if
a
traffic
study
is
not
going
to
be
followed,
but
we've
got
a
traffic
study
staff
has
the
traffic
study.
L
It
was
done
on
submittal
number
one,
maybe
even
before
that,
but
we
would
like
the
traffic
study
that
staff
has
reviewed
to
be
followed
and
then
just
to
say
that
we
I'm
not
really
sure
how
physically
we're
going
to
get
a
turn
lane
into
such
a
small
area.
With
the
with
the
hindrances
we
have
in
place.
A
F
F
It
it
would
come
back
to
you
in,
in
similar
fashion,
to
the
agenda
item
that's
actually
coming
in
later,
which
is
a
the
technical
deviation.
If
the
matter
cannot
be
resolved,
the
construction
site
plan
review
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
come
before
you.
It's
the
equivalent
of
a
variance
okay.
C
AE
The
key
thing
here
is:
if,
if
you
put
a
turn
lane
here,
it
might
preclude
the
distance
and
the
space
and
the
safety
to
put
internally
and
where
you
really
need
it,
which
is
to
serve
the
roadway
intersection,
which
has
a
lot
more
volumes
there
and,
of
course,
when
the
the
parcel
to
the
West
develops
and
this
property
has
a
connection
stub
out
to
connect
to
that
to
that
property.
So
that's
that's!
That's
one
of
the
key
differences,
perhaps
here
as
compared
to
other
developments
you
may
have
heard
about
today.
A
D
J
G
Today,
simply
because
I
instructed
the
applicant,
if
they
didn't
want
to
put
the
left,
turn
lane
in
to
ask
staff
to
put
an
agenda
item
on
your
agenda
in
the
future,
so
that
you
can
make
your
decision
I
think
you
can
go
forward
with
approving
the
project
and
will,
since
they're
not
coming
back
to
council
for
their
site
plan.
They
can
come
back
and
ask
you
to
waive
the
requirement
for
the
left.
Turn
lane
and
I
might
have
more
information
for
you
at
that
time.
Right
to
for.
G
C
G
And
and
at
that
time,
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
y'all
to
make
a
decision
about
the
turn
line
separate
from
approving
okay,
the
the
major
development
plan.
V
F
But
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
at
business,
as
is
that
the
issue
of
the
turn
lane
is,
is
properly
reviewed
at
construction
site
plan
review
and
if
they
can't
resolve
it,
there
then
there'll
be
a
separate
item
asking
you
to
allow
the
deviation
and
basically
resolve
the
dispute
at
construction
site
plan
review.
So
you
can
proceed
forward
with
emotion
as
is
and
approve
the
major
cycle
and
approve
the
major
site
plan
or
major
development
plan.
Sorry.
A
H
You
know
on
that
on
that
piece
right
again,
this
this
type
of
housing
I
think
it
checks
a
couple
boxes
in
terms
of
importance.
You
know,
commissioner
Smith
I
know
that
you've
been
high
on
affordable
type
of
housing.
This
this
is
an
informal
type
of
product,
but
then
I
don't
know
if
you
all
saw
the
announcement
earlier
this
week
to
propagate
Social
House
group
is
opening
Halls
on
Fifth
and
having
something
like
this,
where
it
can
be
walkable
and
frequent
and
patronize
those
those
establishments
I
think
is
a
value
add.
H
So
hopefully
it's
not
a
situation
where
people
are
automatically
having
to
jump
in
a
car
and-
and
maybe
this
is
fuels
to
Mr
newspoint,
where
this
the
city
center
is.
Maybe
it
feels
a
little
bit
more
interest
in
that
area
to
bring
in
those
walkable
elements
to
and
fill
those
properties?
So,
but
let's
work
out
the
transportation
issue.
AJ
Good
evening,
mayor
and
Commissioners
Radley,
Williams,
Parks
and
Recreation
director
I
have
two
items
for
you
this
evening.
Both
are
Professional
Services
agreements
and
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
extra
insight
into
these
Professional
Service
agreements.
We
traditionally
have
two
ways
that
groups
or
users
come
to
our
facility.
One
of
those
is
through
a
Rental
process,
paying
a
rental
fee
running
a
program
through
the
rental
fee.
This
other
path
is
the
professional
service
agreement.
AJ
This
program
provides
mentorship
opportunities
for
teenage
girls.
Some
of
those
areas
include
confidence,
building
leadership,
skills,
Career,
Development,
age-appropriate
activities,
one-on-one
and
group
mentoring
opportunities
as
well.
In
addition,
they
do
bring
in
entrepreneurs
throughout
the
community
to
speak
with
the
young
ladies
and
give
them
Insight
in
operating
starting
launching
businesses.
So
we
saw
this
as
an
opportunity
when
we
met
with
staff
as
staff
with
them
to
bring
this
partnership
to
the
Billy
Dean
Community
Center
as
an
enrichment
opportunity.
We
have
the
date
and
time
available
for
the
program.
AJ
With
us
right
so
part
of
the
there's,
no
exclusive
right
on
these
Professional
Service
agreements,
and
we
also
have
them
as
short-term
agreements.
So,
if
you'll
notice,
this
agreement
expires
at
the
end
of
this
year
prior
to
the
expiration,
we
would
come
back
to
you
if
the
program
was
successful
or
or
trending
upward.
We'd
come
back
for
a
renewal
for
another
year
So.
The
plan
on
these
is
to
keep
them
in
those
one-year
terms
so
that
we're
constantly
assessing
how
the
program's
growing
okay.
V
And
then
I
read
briefly
that
there
was
kind
of
already
the
program's
already
in
place,
using
our
facilities,
yeah.
AJ
So
sometimes,
with
these
programs
either
start
as
a
rental
based
program,
or
in
this
case
it
was
an
opportunity
we
wanted
to
kind
of
see
if
the
program
had
merits
so
they
they
did
start
a
little
early.
They
have
about
five
participants
that
come
and
they
do
offer
this
program
throughout
Orange
County
at
some
other
facilities
and
their
average
is
about
20.
for
the
program.
AJ
V
AJ
D
They
will
they
be
kind
of
marketing
it
with
the
local
I
guess
if
this
is
what's
the
age
group
on
this,
it's.
D
AJ
Believe
the
group
will
be
doing
all
that
Outreach.
We
will
also,
as
part
of
the
partnership
we'd
like
to
push
this
to
grow
it,
so
we
will
also
be
conducting
some
Outreach
to
make
sure
anything.
The
information
yeah
for.
D
Me
it's
anything
that
can
help
young
women
to
encourage
them
and
help
them
get
ready.
As
an
adult
I
mean
I
I
do
support
that
I
just
want
to
see
the
program
grow,
but
that
we
actually
go
out
and
Target
some
of
our
local
schools,
especially
the
the
middle
school
I.
C
H
Have
said
you
get
too
administrative
and
my
approach
to
this
position
so
taking
a
step
back,
it's
more
about
building
the
guardrails
of
what
you
do
as
the
parks
and
recs
director
to
say.
If.
C
H
H
You
know,
obviously,
in
this
case,
there's
no
expenditure
expense
from
our
from
our
budget
going
to
either
one
of
these
things.
So
is
the
Rev
share
agreement
consistent
and
you.
AD
H
You
know
equitably
carried
out.
Is
there
a
finite
time
period
of
these
things
to
make
sure
that
if
it's
a
failing
program
or
something
that
we
don't
want,
that
we're
able
to
assess
that
on
a
recurring
basis
and
so
on
and
so
forth
that
you
know
I
think
maybe
we
don't
see
every
single
one
of
these?
That
comes
more
so
you
create
some
sort
of
policy
around
enrichment
programs
or
Sports
programs,
or
things
like
that.
And
then
we
agree
on
the
policy.
And
then
it's
just
that's
your
part
of
your
job
responsibility.
AJ
Yeah
and
if
and
I'll
definitely
take
the
direction
the
council
would
like
to
give
on
that.
The
main
reason
for
this
type
of
agreement
is
exactly
that
to
set
a
standard
policy
and
a
standard
procedure.
For
these
to
happen,
the
group
could
ultimately
want
to
stay
a
rental,
a
rental
group
with
us
and
that's
totally
fine.
These
groups
have
different
business
models.
They
have
different
plans.
They
have
different
goals.
AJ
They're
trying
to
achieve
these
type
of
agreements
help
us,
maybe
with
a
smaller
program
that
we
see
value
in
that
we
can
help,
try
and
build,
but
there's
times
where
they
might
switch
to
a
rental
style
agreement
and
the
wish
of
the
council
for
how
we
present
these.
If,
if
it's,
if
it's
the
direction
that
you
want
to
establish
a
policy
present
the
policy
and
then
have
that
standard
established,
I'm
totally
fine
with
that,
and
that
actually
would
help
guide
my
staff
through
these
as
well.
V
AJ
Guess
I
do
see
Mr
Rod
love
is
here:
they
they
offer
programming
such
as
this
to
the
community.
This
is
one
of
the
programs.
I,
don't
know
too
much
of
the
other
programs
that
they
offer,
but
this
is
the
one
that's
been
presented
to
us
and
we
saw
value
in
in
their
in
their
program.
Yeah.
D
And
thank
you
Mr
Rod
love
because
I
we
did
discuss,
we
I
did
speak
with
him
and
I
did
ask
him
if
he
can
come
because
when
we
had
the
agenda
review
yesterday
and
I
realized
that
you
would
be
presenting
for
him,
I
I
felt
it
was
best
for
him
to
talk
about
his
program.
So
thank
you
for
coming.
AL
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
City
commissioners,
appreciate
being
here
today.
Rod
love,
president
Florida
economic
Consortium,
also
a
resident
of
the
city
of
Apopka,
the
Florida
excuse
me,
the
Florida
economic
Consortium
is
presently
in
six
counties
in
the
State
of
Florida.
AL
We,
our
concentrated
area
right
now,
is
predominantly
over
in
the
city
of
Orlando
Ivy
Lane,
Mercy,
Drive
Rosemont,
the
services
that
the
Consortium
provides
is
actually
capacity
building
for
Faith
and
community-based
organizations.
We
provide
Direct
Services,
but
our
focus
is
building
capacity
for
organizations
and
commissioner
Becker
you
just
mentioned
this
earlier
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
what
the
Florida
Consortium
does
it
eliminates
that
administrative
portion
for
small
and
faith-based
organizations,
so
they
can
get
in
there
and
actually
do
the
work
from
a
technology
perspective?
AL
One
of
the
things
that
this
commission
will
be
seeing
as
a
result
of
that
program.
Utilizing
your
facility
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
received
this
in
the
in
the
past,
but
we'll
be
able
to
tell
you
how
much
we're
doing
and
how
well
we're
doing
it.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
Is
anybody
better
off?
AL
AL
Well,
these
kids
and
families
are
living
in
communities
that
are
a
great
deal
more
challenging.
These
communities
are,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
them
have
experienced
some
neglect.
So
what
gbas
are
we've
partnered
with
Dr
Randy,
Nelson
who's?
A
criminal
scientist
he's
well
renowned
around
the
country.
He
goes
into
communities
work
with
law
enforcement
and
Community
stakeholders.
AL
Gbo
gbas
are
something
very
simple,
and
that
is
you
can't
get
a
great
GPA
if
your
grade
behavior
and
attendance
is
not
what
it
needs
to
be,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
working
with
communities,
gender
specific
and
we're
also
rolling
out
a
campaign
for
fathers,
responsible
fathers,
a
training
that
provides
a
stipend
for
responsible
fathers,
encouraging
them
to
work
with
their
children
three
days
out
of
the
week
from
a
tutoring
perspective,
Reading,
Writing
and
math,
and
we're
watching
and
we're
tabulating
and
there's
a
technology
that
we
utilize
so
that
we
can
track
this.
AL
And
it's
doing
more
than
just
providing
tutoring
and
educational
kids
for
their
I
mean
services
for
their
kids.
It's
actually
developing
some
linkages
that
we
may
have
lost
along
the
way.
So
Florida
economic,
Consortium
I
appreciate
what
the
city
has
done
with
allowing
us
in
the
facility.
My
staff
has
said:
Mr
Williams
has
he
and
his
staff
have
worked
tremendously
well
with
them
and
I
just
want
to
say
to
you
as
a
governing
board.
Thank
you.
V
Thank
you
who
and
one
last
question
too,
for
because
it's
specifically
focused
on
female
teen
who,
in
the
community
I
guess,
have
you
guys
partnered
with
to
kind
of
I,
guess
lead
it.
Is
there
like
one
figurehead
of
that
or
well.
We.
AL
Have
contracted
with
the
butterfly
effect
the
butterfly
effect.
We
also
have
that
contract
over
in
the
Ivy
Lane
Community,
where
we're
approximately
providing
services
to
approximately
25
to
30
young.
Ladies,
so
we're
trying
to
continue
to
do
some
things
in
Apopka
and
I'd,
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
this
I
think
it
was
approximately
four
four
and
a
half
years
ago,
when,
within
the
city
of
Apopka,
we
experienced
a
rash
of
murders
in
the
period
of
about
seven
or
eight
days.
AL
The
mayor
at
the
time
was
Orange
County
Commissioner,
and
he
asked
that
the
community
convened
a
task
force.
Commissioner
Becker
Commissioner
of
Velazquez,
you
I,
believe
YouTube
participated
on
the
task
force
as
well,
and
commissioner
Smith
I
know.
You
were
engaged
and
involved
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
from
the
task
force
and
I
have
copies
for
you
today.
AL
M
Dennis
new
105,
West
Magnolia,
just
as
a
concerned,
citizen
I
have
some
some
questions
about
both
of
these.
In
the
past,
these
kind
of
contracts
have
been
awarded
to
political
operatives,
people
that
are
friends
with
connections.
It's
cost
us
money.
The
fields
of
Fame
is
in
disrepair,
as
was
stated
earlier,
though
they're
not
in
that
good,
a
condition
so
we're
talking
about
super
stalker
Stars.
M
M
It's
a
simple
question
and
we
need
to
protect
the
city
from
liability,
not
only
from
a
program
like
that.
But
what
about
the
wear
and
tear
on
the
soccer
fields
we're
going
to
lease
it
out?
The
city
keeps
paying
to
fix
things
and,
if
I
go
out
there
with
my
grandkids
I
can't
play
on
a
soccer
field,
because
I
don't
have
a
reservation
or
because
the
baseball
team
contract
has
it
tied
up,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
issues
with
that
before
those
aren't
the
kind
of
issues
this
city
doesn't
need.
AL
I
appreciate
your
concern
to
the
city
officials.
Fec
is
insured.
We've
also
turned
over
our
insurance
policy
and
named
the
city
of
Apopka
in
our
certificate.
In
addition
to
that,
everybody
that
works
with
kids
a
background
screen
we're
doing
what
we
need
to
do,
but
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
say
this
last
week,
if
you're
not
up
in
arms
today,
you
should
be
when
a
19
year
old
pulls
out
a
gun,
shoots.
Five
people
one
happened
to
be
a
nine-year-old
girl.
AL
S
Sylvester
Hall
3901,
Rolling,
Hills,
Lane,
Apopka,
Florida
I'm
glad
we're
having
this
discussion,
because,
if
you
guys
can
remember,
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
do
is
in
poverty,
bring
love
and
prosperity
to
all
our
poverty-stricken
communities.
So
that's
where
my
heart
at.
If
you
can
go
and
replay
some
of
my
public
comment,
you
would
understand
that
now.
I
want
to
speak
to
this,
because
here's
what
happened
every
time
we
have
a
mass
shooting,
we
come
up
and
we
make
all
these
wonderful
suggestions,
but
we
keep
having
the
same
problems
in
our
community.
S
When
you
look
at
the
Round
Table,
it's
the
same
faces,
we
preach
to
the
choir.
The
only
thing.
The
only
reason
our
community
is
not
changing.
Our
approach
is
wrong.
Now,
I'm
gonna
give
you
a
little
history
with
myself
and
how
far
I
go
back
on
this
5
10
15.,
I
re,
I,
retired
out
of
their
Navy
in
2003.,
we
had
shootings
in
South,
Apopka
I
came
out.
I
was
on
the
news.
This
got
to
stop
that's
in
2003.
S
S
I
was
at
myself
when
I
was
part
of
South
Apopka,
safe
neighborhood,
where
Rogers
Beckett
here
Sheriff
demons
at
the
time,
I
went
to
the
20-year
25
years
of
fighting
crime
in
the
black
community.
S
So
how
long
are
we
going
to
keep
having
this
same
approach
now
in
this
program?
How
much
money
are
we
putting
towards
the
program
and
I
noticed
that
Mr
love
said
five
years
ago?
I
remember
that
five
years
ago
we
had
a
program
here
for
South
Apopka
task
force.
What
is
the
success
rate?
What
did
it
change
because
we're
still
having
the
same
problem
five
years
ago
and
we
all
know
the
solution?
S
S
S
S
Then
it's
on
this
community
and
the
citizen
of
that
Resident
to
pull
themselves
up,
but
you
can't
tell
us
to
pull
ourselves
up
by
a
bootstrap
and
we
don't
have
any
boots
or
we
don't
have
any
straps.
We
can't
do
that
so
yeah.
This
is
a
very
touching
situation
to
me,
because
every
time
I
look
around
5,
10
15
20
years,
we're
still
having
kids
shooting
ourselves
down
in
our
community
and
we're
still
going
around
with
the
same
dog
and
pony
show
when
we
all
know
the
solution.
Thank
you.
S
AM
Good
evening,
Mr
Mayor
and
to
all
of
our
Council
women
and
men,
my
name
is
Hezekiah.
Bradford
I
want
to
address
an
issue
that
we've
had
forever
and
I.
Think
an
issue
that
we
have
had
forever
is
where
we
begin
to
point
fingers
without
moving
in
the
right
direction.
I
think
in
in
in
in
in
this
in
this
package,
which
we
presented
to
Orange
County,
we
presented
it
to
the
State
of
Florida.
We
have
presented
it
also
to
the
city
of
Apopka
So.
AM
Within
this
book
there
are
some
guidelines
or
some
things
that
we
wanted
to
see
happen
and
we
haven't
got
the
funding
necessary
to
get
some
of
the
things
off
the
ground
that
we
want
to
do.
One
of
the
things
that
is
in
this
book
is
tutoring
to
young
girls.
So
this
is
not
a
new
idea,
like
you
know,
and
I'm,
in
in
full
agreement
with
what
Mr
love
said
and
also
with
what.
AM
So
that's
the
state
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that
there
are
times
that
when
we
look
at
tutoring
and
how
are
we
going
to
do
it
it,
it
goes
back
to
the
heart
of
human
feelings.
How
do
you
feel
about
the
young
peoples
in
your
community?
Do
you
see
a
need
to
do
something
different
in
our
community
and
I?
AM
Think
that
that's
where
we
need
to
start
right
now
as
a
resident
of
Apopka
for
almost
70
years,
I've
seen
The
Good,
the
Bad
and
the
Ugly,
the
ups
and
the
downs
and
so
I
think
that
as
a
whole,
if
we
can
just
come
to
the
table
and
I'm
gonna
say
love,
can
you
give
other
than
one
of
these
books?
Please,
and
and
inside
of
this,
you
will
see
guidelines
that
we
sat
down
and
we
came
up
with
that.
We
really
want
to
do
for
our
community.
AM
So
it's
not
something
that
we're
just
doing
this
year,
all
the
way
back
to
I,
believe
it
maybe
2016
2017..
So
there
are
things
that
we
wanted
to
do
even
before
I
heard.
So
that's
a
talk
from
the
standpoint
of
safe
neighborhood
before
he
or
Roger.
Beckett
was
a
part
of
that
Pastor
King
and
myself
was
either
the
President
and
Vice
President
so
I
as
I
moved
on
I
passed
that
on
to
Roger,
who
is
doing
an
unbelievable
job,
some
of
the
same
things
that
that
Roger
is
acting
for.
AM
We
was
asking
for
some
of
the
same
thing
that
they're
participating
in
we
participated
in
I,
probably
participated
in
almost
the
first
fighting
crime
in
the
black
neighborhood,
and
it's
still
there.
It's
not
just
an
Apopka,
it's
everywhere.
So
we're
not
looking
at
just
one
area,
I
think
as
a
whole.
We
would
we
could
be
the
example
of
how
cities
should
be
when
it
comes
to
fighting
crime.
When
it
comes
to
changing
the
face
of
blighted
community
I
I
believe
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
on
separate
occasion.
AM
Cr
eight
dollars
can
be
spent
a
lot
different
than
their
been
spent.
We
can
look
at
it
sit
down
and
come
up
with
it,
but
if
we,
if
you
all,
would
just
study
that
book,
that
book
has
directions
to
help
us
as
a
community
to
move
from
where
we
are
to
where
we
need
to
go.
But
again
we
do
need
I
I,
believe
we
need
government.
We
give
y'all
a
lot
of
money
from
for,
as
taxpayers,
I
think
we
need
some
low
taxpayer
dollars
back
in
our
community.
AM
So
I
ain't
gonna
say
we
don't
need
y'all
I
need
y'all
y'all
get
my
money.
I
want
some
of
it
back
and
I
want
to
see
it
utilizing
our
community
correctly,
so
I'm
not
going
to
fight
against
y'all
from
that
perspective,
but
please
take
a
look
at
this
book
and
look
at
what
we
can
do
as
a
whole
to
make
our
community
a
better
place
to
live
work
and
serve
and
I
believe
we
can
all
do
it
better
together
than
we
can
do
it
apart.
AM
My
Segway
is
always
saying
that
individuals
are
going
to
win
games,
but
teams
going
to
win
team
championships,
so
I
think
we
need
to
come
together
as
a
team
and
win
some
championships
for
for
our
community.
AM
A
B
S
Q
AJ
Contract
does
not
call
for
any
payments
to
this
group.
This
is
a
revenue
sharing,
Professional
Services
agreement.
Again
we
saw
this
as
a
program
that
had
benefit.
AJ
Us
correct
Revenue
share
with
us,
so
any
program
fees.
Now
this
is
a
program
that
is
going
to
offer
quite
a
bit
of
support
to
registrants,
but
a
cost
rev
share
in
these
Professional
Services
agreements
is
an
80
programmer,
20
city,
the
city
does
not
outlay
any
money
directly
from
the
fund.
AJ
We
have
the
overall
determination
on
whether
a
facility
can
or
can't
be
used
what
schedule
it's
used
on
so
that
we
build
a
program
that
that
and
utilize
a
facility
to
the
met
the
maximum.
So
this
is
one
of
those
we
saw
as
an
opportunity
to
provide
some
enrichment
for
the
Billy
Dean
Community
Center,
the
time
and
space
is
available,
and
the
program
looks
like
something
that
could
be
of
value
to
the
community.
So
that's
why
we
brought
it
here.
V
Okay,
Mr
love.
If
I
can
sorry,
if
I
can
just
ask
one
more
question
before
I
guess:
what's
the
because
it's
a
profit
share
so
looking
at
it
business-wise?
What
is
it
like?
What
are
you
charging
students,
I
guess
and
is
there
opportunities
for
scholarships
and
things
like
that?
Do
you
guys
offer
that
I
guess
what
does
that
where's.
AL
AL
Don't
receive
any
I
mean
I
want
to
clarify
that
too,
and
thank
you.
We
don't
receive
any
funding
from
the
city.
The
funding
that
we
receive
is
through
competitive
bid
processes
and
the
kids.
The
families
don't
pay
a
single
dime.
AL
V
H
Yeah
again,
I
I
take
this
back
we're
getting
into
the
Weeds
on
this
probably
unnecessarily.
There's
there's
other
programs
that
you
already
have
professional
contracts
with
in
the
city
existing
under
the
same
kind.
AJ
AJ
D
I
I,
actually,
just
because
it
is
for
young
women,
I'm
I'm,
in
support
of
it.
Okay,.
A
Looking
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
a
recreational
Professional
Services
agreement
with
the
Florida
economic
Consortium
to
provide,
provide
Youth
and
team
mentoring
and
tutoring
classes
at
the
Billy,
Dean
Center
and
other
Apopka,
Park
and
Rec
facilities,
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Velasquez.
AJ
Okay,
the
second
professional
service
agreement
in
front
of
you
is
for
the
Super
Soccer
Stars
Orlando
program.
Again
this
is
the
same
structure
as
the
one
we
just
went
through.
It
is
a
revenue
share
with
80
to
the
programmer
20
to
the
city.
AJ
Again
this
the
city
controls
and
retains
full
control
of
the
schedule,
approval
and
placement
of
these
programs.
So
this
program
will
not
impact
any
of
our
current
renters.
I
know.
There's
been
mentioned
about
fuel
conditions
out
on
the
on
the
fields
we
are
working.
I've
worked
with
my
staff
prior
to
this
holiday
season.
AJ
We
have
developed
a
2023,
updated
maintenance
plan
and
rest
period
plan
for
the
complex
they're,
also
in
the
current
process
of
doing
some
amendments,
because
we
have
experienced
a
little
extra
wear
on
our
South
iPads,
because
we
had
a
larger
than
expected
youth
flag
football
program
which
great
to
have
the
participation,
does
put
a
little
extra
wear
on
our
field.
So
we
are
doing
some
amendments
to
the
field
to
boost
that
and
again,
this
is
a
program
that
we
see
it's
very.
This
in
this
instance
is
very
refined
down
to
the
young
kids.
AJ
So
it's
one
year
old
to
two-year-old
the
program
does
offer
scholarships
to
those
in
need
of
anywhere
between
20
to
40
percent,
and
this
program
also
cut
over
does
operate.
They
call
it
the
shining
Soccer
Stars
program.
It's
a
program
that
teaches
soccer
skills
to
development,
developmentally
challenged
children
in
in
a
structured
program
specifically
to
achieve
some
success
for
them.
So
again,
we're
similar
structure
exactly
same
structure
as
last
agreement,
same
requirements,
Insurance
background
checks.
V
A
AJ
So
they'll
get
it
they'll
get
a
jersey
and
that's
what
they'll
wear
through
it.
If
they
don't
need
to
pay
that
30
fee
again
until
they
need
a
New
Jersey,
okay,.
AJ
D
Know
that
you
know
our
resident
Mr
Rob
Olson
has
spoken
numerous
times
and
he's
about
the
the
condition
of
the
turfs,
and
you
know,
I'm
I
have
a
concern
with
that
you're
kind
of
assuring
him
that
that's
going
to
be
taken
care
of
and
being
that
these
are
very
young
young
kids.
I
can't
imagine
them.
You
know.
AJ
This
is
a
low
impact.
This
will
be
a
low
impact
program
and
yeah
Turf
is
a
living
being
so
there's
going
to
be
times
where
we're
going
through
wear
patterns
or
insects
or
mole
crickets
things
like
that.
We
have
a
professional
staff
that
and
a
park
superintendent,
that's
Top
Notch.
He
also
reaches
out
to
Industry
leaders
to
contact.
AJ
They
visit
our
site,
frequently
anything
from
UF
to
Bayer
syngenta
site,
one
all
the
main
companies
that
that
handle
athletic,
Turf
and
and
Bermuda
grass
specifically,
so
we
bring
them
out
on
a
regular
basis
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
either
recover
a
field
or
maintain
the
field
in
a
safe,
appropriate.
D
D
N
Olson
3156
Rolling
Hills
Lane
I'm
glad
to
hear
the
scholarship
program,
but
I
did
not
have
a
chance
to
look
at
the
agreement.
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
in
the
written
agreement.
They
offered
the
scholarship
because,
as
you
know,
we
scholarship,
kids,
that
are
doing
the
rec
program
and
the
non-for-profit
Club.
Also
scholarships
and
I
think
that
this
should
be
at
least
on
par
with
it.
N
I
agree
with
the
aspect:
you'll
be
talking
about
one
to
three
year
olds:
you're
not
going
to
have
the
wear
and
tear
and
field
set
that
we
have,
but
I
like
to
also
point
out
again
that
the
field
conditions
they
used
to
be
like
golf
greens,
it's
not
even
like
the
Fairway.
Now
most
of
our
fields
are
like
the
rough
and
we
have
to
change
what
we're
doing
in
the
past
and
I
understand
several
years
ago
they
reseeded
every
winner
with
ryegrass
and
they
closed
the
fields
down
for
a
period
of
time
to
do
it.
N
Now
we
close
it
down
for
a
week
or
two
sometimes
a
month,
and
then
we
don't
monitor
it
to
make
sure
people
don't
play
on
it.
So
we've
gotta
we've
got
to
tighten
it
up,
but
again
if
the
contract
indicates
the
fact
that
there
are
provide
new
scholarships
into
what
level
that
will
match
what's
doing
with
our
program,
I
have
no
problem
with
it
again.
I
spent
my
time
finishing,
the
Gannon
report
and
I
did
not
have
a
chance
to
review
the
new
contract.
Thank
you.
AJ
So,
just
to
clarify
that
is
not
written
in
the
contract
in
any
of
the
contracts
that
we've
brought
forth
to
you.
If
it's
the
wish
of
the
board,
we
can
look
to
add
those
to
these
contracts,
but
it
is
a
short-term
agreement.
We
can
also
proceed
forward
and
if
it
becomes
an
issue
in
this
term,
we
can
come
back
to
them.
AJ
This
would
be
something
that,
if
it's
again,
we
can
I
can
prepare
a
policy
on
these
agreements
and,
if
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
during
that
time,
the
wish
of
the
council
to
add
that,
as
a
section
of
the
agreement,
we
can
definitely
go
that
route.
This
gentleman
would
not
have
an
issue.
I
can't
imagine
adding
that
as
an
addendum
to
the
agreement
to.
F
I'm
afraid
to
add
that
to
the
agreement,
because
we
haven't
necessarily
negotiated
it
kind
of
a
one-term
deal,
I
think
I
think
it's
if
best
to
approve
the
agreement.
If
you
want
to
direct
staff
to
negotiate
such
a
such
a
scholarship
and
when
the
parties
come
to
an
agreement,
it'll
be
brought
back
as
an
addendum
for
your
approval.
I
don't
want
to
add
a
term
to
the
contract
unilaterally
without
having
it
presented
and
discussed
and
properly
negotiated.
So.
V
AJ
V
AJ
AJ
But
if
that's
where
you'd
like
to
go
with
it,
we
can
certainly
I
can
certainly
sit
with
with
the
programmer
and
get
that
added
and
brought
back
next
meeting.
Yeah.
A
We're
all
comfortable
so
I
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
a
recreational
Professional
Services
agreement
with
LTL
Athletics
LLC
DBA,
Super,
Soccer
Stars
Orlando,
to
provide
Youth,
Soccer
lessons
and
programming.
So
we've
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
It's
like
my
commissioner
Velasquez
all
those
in
favor
aye
opposed
motion
carries
thank.
G
It's
the
left
turn
lane
for
Southwick
Commons
for
city
code.
As
we
already
discussed,
there
is
a
rebuttal
presumption
that
left
turn
lanes
are
required
at
the
entrances
to
all
developments.
If
an
applicant
or
developer
does
not
want
to
install
left
turn
lane,
Council
has
the
authority
to
waive
the
requirement
if
they
ask
the
developer
of
Southwest.
Commons
has
requested
Council
to
consider
a
waiver
of
the
project.
Staff
believes
the
left
turn
requirements
should
be
enforced.
G
L
G
You
don't
have
the
presentation
in
your
packet,
you
just
had
my
staff
report-
okay
and
and
you're-
probably
not
familiar
with
this
site,
because
this
is
not
something
that's
coming
to
council,
the
applicants,
traffic
engineer-
and
maybe
the
applicant's
attorney
are
going
to
come
up
here
and
tell
you
that
using
industry
standards
the
number
of
PM
peak
hour
trips-
oh,
don't
it
doesn't
warrant
the
left
turn
line.
G
That's
true!
If
we're
only
looking
at
those
traffic
numbers,
but
what
I
know
is
that
as
Main
Street
has
become
more
and
more
congested,
drivers
are
opting
to
avoid
driving
through
downtown
and
they're,
using
East,
6th,
Street
and
Monroe
as
a
bypass
and
I
gave
you
these
numbers
before,
but
I'm
going
to
give
them
to
you
again.
G
G
At
some
point,
this
is
going
to
cause
an
issue:
the
site,
entrance
and
McGee
and
having
the
left
turn
lane
installed
now,
will
help
mitigate
those
traffic
issues.
G
This
application.
This
is
a
site
again,
the
applicant
site
plan.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
close-up
and
again
you
haven't
seen
it
because
the
because
of
the
Taurus
agreement
that
was
signed
I
think
in
2016.
The
developments
within
the
city
center
don't
come
to
counsel,
but
this
is
this
is
how
their
entrance
is
going
to
be
set
up,
they're
going
to
have
a
roundabout
and
what
I
want
to.
Oh,
this
is
the
the
southern
end
again
one
entrance.
G
This
is
what
what
you're
looking
at
here
is
a
it's
called
turns
it's
a
software
that
shows
how
large
Vehicles
can
Traverse
the
site
and
the
Side
Access,
and
they
chose
to
use
a
45.7
foot
long,
fire
truck,
which
is
incorrect.
It's
about
two
feet
short
of
what
they're
required
to
use,
and
if
you
look
here.
G
Maybe
maybe
here
you
can
see
that
it's
going
to
be
extremely
hard
for
large
Vehicles
fire
trucks,
sanitation
trucks
to
get
in
and
out
of
this
site
and
I
did
talk
to
my
colleague
in
the
fire
department
and
their
preference
is
to
have
a
left
turn
lane.
So,
when
they're
trying
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
site,
and
probably
if
I
talk
to
sanitation,
they
would
say
the
same
thing.
So
they
have
a
lane
kind
of
like
a
center
lane
to
swing
into
it's.
G
G
They're
required
to
provide
safe
and
adequate
access.
The
left
turn
lane
ensures
that
they'll
have
safe
and
adequate
access.
My
job
is
to
advise
you
as
to
what's
best.
What's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
it
is
my
firm
opinion
that
a
left
turn
lane
in
the
entrance
to
the
site
should
be
required.
I,
listen
when
residents
they've
done
it
today
have
told
you
that
they
want
infrastructure
in
place.
Well,
we're
putting
infrastructure
in
place
having
the
turn
lane
out
in
preparation.
What
is
probably
coming
in
the
future
is
a
responsible
approach.
G
If
it
turns
out
I'm
wrong,
I
could
be
wrong.
Having
left
turn
lane,
there
isn't
going
to
create
any
kind
of
safety
issue
for
traffic,
so
the
request
is
to
deny
their
request
of
a
waiver
and
require
per
the
code
that
the
left
turn
lane
be
installed.
H
So,
in
that
case
and
depending
on
how
you
interpret
well
in
your
interpretation
of
the
code,
the
the
way
that
that
ends
in
terms
of
City
Council
discretion,
is
that
full
discretion
or
is
there
any
evidence
that
would
compel
us
to
make
one
decision
versus
the
other
or
do.
H
Clarify
do
we
have
the
discretion
to
say
yes
or
no,
because
what
what
I'm?
What
I'm
saying
is
that
if
we
speak
clearly,
things
were
recorded
and
if
we
are
in
a
quasi-judice
no
matter,
we
make
a
decision.
That's
not
based
off
of
testimony
that
we
can
make
our
decision
off
of
I.
Don't
want
to
jeopardize
an
outcome
based.
F
On
what
we're
doing
you're
you're
in
sitting
in
your
quasi-judicial
nature,
you're,
the
fact
finder
and
the
item
that's
presented-
is
based
on
our
code.
There's
that
product
the
the
rebuttable
presumption,
which
means,
which
means
the
left
turn
lane
is
a
PR-
is
presumed
unless
the
applicant
can
rebut
that
presumption.
F
Then
what
you're
going
to
be
hearing
is
the
evidence
presented
by
the
city,
the
evidence
presented
by
the
applicant
and,
in
the
end
your
decision
is
as
long
as
you
make
your
decision,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
before
you
and
your
rationale
and
your
analysis
of
that
evidence.
As
long
as
your
decision
is
based
on
competent,
substantial
evidence,
one
way
or
another,
you
you're
fine
and
that's
that'll,
then
carry
forward
in
the
event
of
any
subsequent
appeal
that
that
the
city
has
to
defend.
F
F
Right,
but
you
can
use
your
rat
your
rationale.
Your
I
mean,
if
you're,
making
a
logical
conclusion
hey
based
on
I've.
Had
this
information
has
been
presented,
it's
just
I,
don't
usually
want
to
mix
one
case
with
another.
It
is
cleaner
just
to
base
it
on
the
evidence
that's
presented
here
before
you
today
on
the
record.
W
Thank
you,
mayor
Commissioners.
As
you
can
imagine,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
different
of
opinion
from
Pam's
I
have
a.
Let
me
just
do
one
thing
really
quick.
While
we
still
have
her
presentation
up,
I
wanted
to
point
out
exactly
where
the
staff
is
requesting
a
left-hand
turn
lane
sure
you
all
are
all
very
familiar
with
this.
It
is
right
here
on
Sixth
Street
and
the
request
is
at
the
stop
condition.
So
it's
currently
a
three-way
stop.
Once
we
build
our
entrance
it'll,
be
a
four-way.
W
Stop
they're,
asking
that
one
leg
of
the
four-way
stop
skew
the
road
and
have
two
places
that
you
stop.
So
the
person
who
has
stopped
turning
left
will
then
have
someone
to
their
right.
Who
has
stopped
going
through
so
I
just
want
you
all
to
imagine
that,
as
you
can
see,
you
all
actually
went
through
and
put
in
a
nice
new
roadway
through
here
you
put
in
on-street
parking
through
here.
That's
all
gonna
have
to
get
ripped
out.
You
all
also
acquired
additional
right-of-way.
AI
W
Okay,
so
let's
see
what
you're?
Let's
then,
let's
start
with
what
your
code
says.
So
we
can
all
agree
that
your
code
states
that,
however,
there
shall
be
a
rebuttal
presumption,
I
assume
counselor,
that
is,
that
is
meant
to
be
rebuttable
presumption
that
a
left
turn
lane
shall
be
required
for
all
residential
land
or
all
residential
land
and
non-residential
developments
unless
waived
by
city
council.
W
W
As
shown
in
table
five,
the
westbound
movement
at
the
project
driveway
is
expected
to
operate
at
a
level
of
service,
a
that's
as
good
as
you
can
get
and
have
a
VC
ratio
of
0.20
during
build
out
2022
we
were
hoping
would
be
our
build
out,
PM
peak
hour,
condition
indicating
there's
efficient
capacity
with
with
a
shared
Lane
there.
We,
we
also
include
in
here
the
different
volumes
that
would
turn
in
there
during
the
PM
Peak,
which
is
27.
W
again,
since
there
is
a
stop
condition,
usually
the
reason
you
want
a
left-hand
turn
lane
is
so
everybody
gets
out
of
your
way
and
you
can
keep
going
forward
in
this
instance
because
of
the
road
volumes
and
you
all
not
wanting
this
to
be
a
cut
through
Street.
You
have
a
stop
condition
and
at
that
stop
condition.
If
you
want
to
make
a
left,
you
make
a
left.
You
still
got
to
stop,
even
if
you
want
to
go
through.
W
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
reckon
that
our
Transportation
engineer
recommended
that
we
not
have
the
left
turn
lane.
I
do
not
agree
with
Pam
that
it
just
doesn't
matter
you
just
build.
You
just
build
whatever
infrastructure.
Wherever
you
build
it
and
it
doesn't
matter
it
does
matter,
it
does
matter.
If
I
mean
look,
I
I
just
have
driven
for
30
years,
I'm,
not
a
transportation
engineer,
but
I've
certainly
come
to
a
four-way.
Stop
where
you,
where
you're
alongside
someone
and
cars
coming
one
way
can't
see
around
that
you're
all
sitting
there.
W
Nobody
can
figure
out
who's
supposed
to
go
first
and
when
that's,
why
it's
a
four-way,
stop
this
really
kind
of
makes
it
a
five-way
stop.
And
then
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out,
because
I
I
thought
that
there
may
be
a
question
about
well
what
does
rebuttable
presumption
mean
and
although
I'm
embarrassed
to
let
you
all
know,
I
do
have
in
my
office
a
copy
of
Black's
Law
Dictionary.
W
Whenever
my
law
school
degree
doesn't
pay
off
and
I
looked
it
up
and
rebuttable
presumption
is
a
species
of
legal
presumption
which
holds
Good
until
evidence.
Contrary
to
its
is
introduced,
it
then
shifts
the
burden.
Well,
we've
introduced
information,
contrary
to
the
fact
that
there
needs
to
be
a
left-hand
turn
lane.
We
have
not
received
anything
back
from
staff.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
heard
that
they
want
a
left-hand
turn
lane,
because
they're
worried
about
the
maneuverability
of
a
fire
truck.
If
that's
a
problem,
then
we
can
tweak
our
site
plan.
W
Our
mdp
has
not
come
before
you,
yet
until
we
figure
this
out.
So
if,
if
that's
the
problem,
then
yes
and
casting
no
aspersions
to
a
fire
department,
but
I've
worked
with
a
lot
of
fire
departments
in
Maine,
they
want
you
guys
just
to
build
really
wide
roads
everywhere,
to
get
things
in
and
out
of
that,
that's
not
the
requirement.
The
and
so
I'm
not
sure
that
mixing
the
two
is
really
appropriate
at
this
time
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
something
else,
and
that
is
we
are
in
the.
W
As
you
all
know
we're
in
the
city
center-
and
there
is
a
development
agreement
and
in
that
developers
agreement
paragraph
12,
quite
lengthy,
but
it
talks
about
specific
Road
improvements
and
who's
going
to
pay
for
those
Road
improvements.
This
left-hand
turn
lane
is
not
mentioned,
but
it
says,
while
developers
shall
have
the
responsibility
of
the
foregoing.
City
shall
be
solely
obligated
to
pay
and
or
reimburse
all
costs
incurred
by
developer
or
associated
with
the
roadway
improvements
specified
here
in
and
any
other
required
off-site
improvements.
W
So
I
said
to
your
staff:
well,
hey
I!
Think
you
may
want
to
tell
your
Council
that
if
you
make
us
build
this,
we're
going
to
make
them
pay
for
it,
and
I
was
told.
Well
it's
it's
not
it's
not
an
off-site.
It's
an
on-site
Improvement
well,
which
is
it
you're
requiring
it
under
a
section
called
off-site.
W
So
then
I
looked
and
said.
Well,
what
is
an
on-site
Improvement
and
your
code
says
an
on-site
Improvement
is
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
specific
parcel.
This
isn't
in
our
boundary
of
our
specific
parcel.
This
is
in
your
right-of-way,
so
what
I
would
respectfully
request
is
that
this
Council
agree
that
we
have
had
a
transportation
engineer,
sign
and
certify
a
traffic
impact
analysis
that
does
not
support
a
left
turn
lane
at
our
project
entrance
and
hopefully
that
keeps
us
out
of
having
to
have
the
second
discussion
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
W
You
know
it's
really
terrible
that
you
don't
have
this,
because
because
then
you
can
actually
so
the
27
is
the
27
that
would
be
left
into
this.
That
would
be
using
the
left-hand
terminal.
Okay.
So
our
traffic
study
divided
it
not
just
into
PMP,
but
it
divided
it
into
PMP
in
PMP
out
and
for
those
p
and
Peak
Inns,
whether
they
would
be
coming
from
the
East,
the
west
or
the
North.
V
G
G
This
is
not
considered
an
off-site
it's
in
a
section
of
the
Land
Development
code
that
addresses
what
the
applicant
needs
to
do,
and
this
is
this
is
considered
not
off-site.
It's
considered
a
necessary
Improvement.
The
applicant
is
required
to
provide
safe
and
adequate
access
to
their
site,
which
is
why
it's
not
an
offside
or
nearsight
Improvement.
It's
considered
part
of
the
site
and
I
only
brought
in
the
part
about
the
the
turns
for
the
fire
department,
because
it's
it's
relevant
information.
It's
not
just
about
the
traffic
counts.
G
When
we
talked
about
this
before
I
told
you,
you
need
to
look
a
little
bigger
picture,
look
out
to
see.
What's
going
on,
think
about
all
the
comments
we've
gotten
about
needing
to
make
sure
we
have
infrastructure
in
place.
I
understand
they
don't
want
to
do
this,
that
you
know
they
don't
want
to
spend
any
more
money
than
they
have
to,
and
if,
if
it's
your
decision
that
you
don't
think
that
we
need
a
left
turn
lane
there
and
in
five
years
when
there's
something
that
needs
to
be
done.
It's
all
on
us.
G
The
turning
at
least
gives
me
something
to
work
with,
but
if
you
say
no,
then
what
comes
will
come
there?
There
is
a
lot
of
traffic
coming
down
the
road
and
I've
talked
to
Traffic
Engineers
too.
Their
engineer
is
going
to
going
to
tell
you
he
he's
not
saying
anything,
that's
not
true,
but
he's.
Given
you
his
opinion,
I'm,
giving
you
my
opinion
based
on
conversations,
I've
had
with
Traffic
Engineers
that
I
have
a
high
amount
of
respect
for
and
and
they
concur
with
with
what
I'm
telling
you
so
it
in
the
end.
G
It's
it's
up
to
you
to
decide
if
you
think
one
other
thing
that
I
want
to
add.
This
is
not
a
project
killer.
This
is
not
something
that's
holding
up
their
project.
They
have
other
things
that
they're
still
working
through
with
my
colleagues
in
Community
Development.
This
is
just
another
step
in
in
getting
them
to
development
approval
so
that
they
can
build
some
luxury
apartments
on
this
location.
D
G
The
burden
is
on
them
to
provide
safe
and
adequate
access,
and
if
that
means
they
have
to
put
in
a
left,
turn
lane,
then
then
it's
on
them.
It's
just
like
every
other
development
that
comes
in
they
put
in
a
left
turn
line.
If
I
could
ask
them
to
put
in
a
right
turn,
lane
I
would
ask
them
to,
but
the
code
doesn't
allow
me
because
of
the
posted
speed
limit.
H
C
I
H
For
the
Improvement,
and
then
two
quite
frankly,
is
if,
if
they
did
submit
evidence
via
the
report,
how
come
we
didn't
get
it.
G
They
would
have
the
report
that
they're
talking
about
yeah,
yeah,
I,
I,
suppose
I
just
didn't
think
that
it
was
something
that
you
really
needed
to
see
to
have
this
conversation,
it's
not
about
what
the
numbers
are.
This
is
more
about
safety.
They
didn't,
they
didn't
pull
in
all
the
information
they're,
only
giving
you
what
they
want
you
to
see
and
what
they
want
you
to.
H
H
So
if
we
install
this
left
turn
lane
in
on
a
on
this
project,
how
far
east
does
it
expand
and
then
going
westbound?
Is
there
really
any
any
future
plan
to
ex
expand
the
road,
because
I
thought
the
whole
point
of
Sixth
Street
would
then
be
like
Road,
dieting
and
and
stuff
like
that,
where
it
becomes
walkable
and
we
wouldn't
worry
about
necessarily
car
traffic
but
prioritize
foot
traffic.
G
Yes,
yes
to
what
you
said,
but
the
reason
that
I
think
that
the
turn
line
is
important
is
because
we
do
have
that
on
street
parking
and
because
traffic
is
is
going
to
back
up
at
certain
times
a
day,
and
this
will
allow
residents
to
get
into
that
turn
lane
and
turn
in
a
little
more
conveniently
instead
of
staying
stacked.
When
people
stack
like
that,
they
start
getting
angry.
A
G
F
What
no
I'm
Michael
you're
hearing
the
evidence
presented
by
staff
right,
I'm,
gonna,
D
I'm,
going
to
defer
to
Pam's
technical
expertise
and
you're,
going
to
hear
the
evidence
presented
by
the
applicant
you're,
going
to
weigh
the
evidence
and
you're
going
to
make
your
decision
on
what
you
believe
your
decision
is
based.
Do
you
have
the
sufficient
evidence
to
support
your
decision?
I
am
not
going
to
tip
my
thumb
on
the
scale
one
way
or
another
I'm
telling
you
this.
This
is
the
parameters
of
your
decision
and
how
you
make
your
decision.
Okay,.
D
D
W
Ago
I
said
I
think
your
commission
is
going
to
want
to
know
that
if
they
make
us
build
this,
are
they
paying
300
or
400
000
to
build
them,
and
it
clearly
says
off-site
is
something
that
the
city
pays
and
I.
Don't
know
how
you
get
around
your
own
definition.
I
know
how
you
feel
about
it.
I,
don't
know
how
you
get
around
your
own
definitions
as
to
what
off-site
and
on-site
are,
and
we
don't.
We
we're
not
getting
to
we're
having
to
live
with
the
D.A.
Well,.
H
In
my
feeble
mind,
right
well,
first
off
is
the
juice
worth
the
squeeze
and
if,
if
it
is
who's
squeezing
it,
but
if
I'm
again
a
layperson
reading
this
off-site
versus
on-site
and
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
definitions
within
our
Land
Development
code.
This.
AI
H
F
H
H
The
point
of
contention
here
is
Onset
off-site
for
me:
I'm
not
talking
right
away
or
whatever
on-site
improvements.
I,
don't
know.
If
how
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
people,
but
onsite
are
proven.
I
don't
know
if
people
are
saying
that
it's
within
the
original
boundaries
of
the
city
center
and
the
Development
Group
developers,
that's.
W
F
It
does
go
yeah
if
I
can
read
the
full
on-site,
Improvement
definition
in
the
code,
on-site
improvements
needed
to
ensure
safe
and
adequate
Ingress
and
egress
to
the
site
period.
On-Site
improvements
are
Road
improvements
located
within
the
boundaries
of
a
specific
partial
proposed
for
development
and
Road
improvements
which
provide
direct
access,
parentheses
turn
lane
taper
signalization
right-of-way
dedication
Etc.
They
are
the
total
responsibility
of
the
developer
and
exclusive
of
the
transportation
impact
fee.
So.
W
W
F
Off-Site
but
it's
included
in
the
on-site
Improvement
definition,
it's
we've
got
a
development
agreement
with
one
language.
We've
got
the
code
with
another
language
and
it
and
yeah
it
would
be
status,
presentation
and
supporting
what
what
Pam
is
stating
that,
based
on
her
interpret
her
interpretation
of
that
section,
she
deems
it
to
be
an
on-site
Improvement.
The
applicant
is
stating
and
they've
given
their
interpretation
off
of
off-site.
It's
then
your
decision
to
it's.
It's
your
decision
to
determine
is
it
on
site?
W
W
They
did
not
ask
our
transportation,
usually
when
we
submit
something
like
that's,
not
unusual
for
staff
to
have
comments,
they
send
those
comments
in
a
letter
and
then
our
transportation
engineer
addresses
those
right
that
that
didn't
happen.
They
took
it.
He
signed
and
sealed
it
that
that
the
turn
lane
is
not
needed.
I
respect
that
Pam
knows
this
city,
but
to
say
I'm,
going
to
completely
disregard
what
this
says-
and
this
is
the
person
who
has
to
put
their
license
on
the
line.
W
Rick
valdoki
is
going
to
be
the
one
that
has
to
sign
and
seal
those
civil
plans
and
to
just
be
able
to
say
you
know,
I
just
feel
like
the
traffic's
kind
of
heavy,
and
we
should
have
it
that
that
is
not
evidence.
That
is
rebutting
what
we
have
put
competent
and
substantial
evidence
by
an
expert
into
evidence
and
I
think
Mr
Baldock.
He
had
something
he
wanted
to
say.
AB
Thank
you,
Becky
Rick
baldocki,
with
avcon
I
I'm,
not
the
traffic
engineer
on
this
report.
I'm
the
site,
engineer,
engineer
record
for
the
site,
and
you
know
knowing
that
there
are
others
that
maybe
knew
this
area
better.
We
brought
in
Kimberly
horn
because
they
had
done
the
traffic
study
for
the
hotel
and
some
of
the
other
areas.
AB
So
I
we
went
to
the
the
best
source
available
for
data
in
the
area,
and
you
know
traffic
we'd
like
to
think
it's
an
exact
science,
but
it's
not,
and
it's
okay
for
us
to
disagree
as
as
engineers,
and
we
do
so
occasionally.
My
opinion
of
this
situation
because
of
the
configuration
of
the
road
with
the
on-street
parking
is
that
a
four-way
stop
without
turn.
Lanes
is
actually
safer
than
having
this
four-way
stop
with
turn
Lanes,
it's
very
confusing
when
you
come
up
to
a
stop
condition
and
there
are
turn
Lanes.
AB
AB
W
A
F
A
D
Not
whether
it's
on
site
or
off-site,
it's
that
if,
if
we
decide
one
way
or
the
other
and
if
we
decide
that
we
do
need
the
left
turn
main
then
is
who's
going
to
be
paying
for.
F
That
right
and
the
way
it's
because
it's
it's
talking
about
off-site
improvements
in
the
development
agreement
and
I
go
back
and
and
look
at
well.
What
is
under
under
our
code
off-site
is
identified
as
as
one
but
then,
and
then
it
on
site
is
developed
as
other,
and
the
on-site
does
is
not
solely
limited
to
any
improvements
within
the
four
corners
of
the
parcel,
but
also
includes
roadway
improvements
that
provide
direct
access
to
that
parcel.
So
it's
it
extends
the
definition
of
on-site.
F
So,
if
I
take
how
I
an
interpretation
can
be
made-
and
now
it's
it's
up
to
you
to
decide,
you're
a
judge,
I'm,
making
a
legal
argument.
I'm
not
saying
you
must
follow
my
legal
argument,
I'm
saying
here's
the
r
argument
for
you
to
consider,
since
the
code
defines
on-site
to
also
include
roadway
improvements
that
provide
the
direct
access,
then
that
would
that
would
then
carry
further.
F
That
would
mean
well
that's
on
site,
it's
not
off-site
as
defined
in
the
development
agreement,
and
then
that
Improvement
would
still
be
the
responsibility
of
the
developer
because
it
doesn't
square
with
the
definition
of
off-site
in
the
development
agreement
that
that's
the
argument
to
be
made,
and
then
for
you
to
consider
is.
Is
the
argument
valid?
Is
there
enough
evidence
to
support
that
argument,
or
is
there
more
evidence
to
support
their
argument
that
states
that
it's
an
off-site
improvement,
and
that
is
the
that
is
a
response?
AB
AB
This
was
the
property
line
you
see
in
magenta,
but
as
part
of
our
agreement,
we
donated
this
little
piece
here
to
the
city,
so
you
could
bring
a
trail
down
this
way
and
tie
up
into
to
the
north
so
that
right
away
that
we
gave
you
for
the
trail,
we
would
have
to
take
it
and
use
it
for
the
through
Lane
going
eastbound.
W
F
Had
Becky
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
you,
but
I
think
we
can
wrap
this
up
pretty
easily,
like
I'm
willing
to
stipulate
to
the
four
ways
to
the
four-way
stop
without
the
turn
signals
I'm,
conferring
with
staff,
and
it's
just
to
determine
whether
there's
an
interest.
F
We
still
have
to
present
it
to
you,
because
you
still
have
to
approve
the
intersection
without
the
turn
Lanes
we
couldn't.
This
could
not
have
been
done
at
the
staff
level,
because
the
code
specifically
states
that
any
type
of
deviation
has
to
come
from
the
council
so
and
at
this
point
in
order
to
to
not
prolong
this
I'm
willing
to
stipulate
as
to
that,
then
there'll
be
no
longer
any
issue
as
to
the
financial
responsibilities.
For
that,
but
I
I
just
need
your
improvement.
Your
your
approval,
because
the
code
requires
it
as
such.
AD
G
And
and
I
know
that
that
we're
right
but
I,
don't
know
that
it's
worth
dragging
the
city
through
to
argue
over
eternally
in
five
years.
When
there's
an
issue
out
there,
you
might
think
that
we
made
a
mistake.
G
V
G
I'm
not
saying
just
kidding
I'm,
not
just
kidding
I'm,
not
saying
that
at
all
I'm,
saying
I
think
if,
if
I
had
my
way,
they'd
put
a
right
turn
lien
and
a
left
turn
lane
there,
they
would
move
that
the
on-street
parking
they
would
just
have
to
use
some
of
their
their
property
to
make
this
fix,
but
because
they're
challenging
that
this
is
not
an
and
this
is
and
not
an
on-site
Improvement
then
I'm
just
not
sure
it's
worth
it
to
y'all,
to
accommodate.
H
V
The
biggest
problem-
that's
like
tonight's
or
today,
almost
tonight's
biggest
theme-
is
that
we
don't
have
enough
information
for
half
of
these
things
that
are
presented
to
us.
I'm
really
frustrated
at
that
today,
but
that's
okay,
so
do.
F
Just
they
can
you
can
you
can
pull
forward
the
motion
and
say
we've
stipulated
it's
almost
what
you
said
is
it
worth
the
squee?
Is
the
squeeze
worth
the
juice?
At
this
point,
I
mean
this.
Is
this
is
done
all
the
time
in
courtrooms
as
the
two
parties
can
see
where
things
are
going
and
it
will
kind
of
alleviate,
is
the
best
way
to
just
come
to
an
accord.
We
move
forward
and
resolve
the
situation.
A
A
F
D
A
D
Okay,
I
was
the
last
one
you
see
because
I
you
know,
unfortunately,
sometimes
when
it
comes
from
the
very
end
by
commissioner
Nest
I,
don't
always
hear
everything:
okay,
yay.
AA
A
Good
good
we're
ready
to
go
call
it
back
into
order.
Next
up,
we've
got
public
hearing,
ordinance
resolution,
ordinance,
number
2957.,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry,
city,
engineer,.
AH
Yes,
sir
good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
Richard
orpier
city
engineer,
so
this
is
item
number
eight
on
your
agenda.
The
renewal
of
the
Vista
landfill
class
3
landfall
landfill
permit.
It's
the
request
is
to
authorize
the
city
engineer,
renew
the
class
through
landfill
permit
for
the
Vista
landfill
requested
by
Vista
landfill
LLC.
AH
To
give
you
some
background,
the
renewal
does
not
change
any
of
the
conditions
that
they've
been
operating
under
since
2017.
It's
just
a
continuation
of
their
existing
permit.
The
city
does
have
a
continuing
consultant.
Cdm
is
an
engineering
firm
and
they
represent
the
city
and
review
all
the
technical
details
related
to
the
landfill
Brian
Kinsley
with
CDM
is
here.
If
you
have
questions
for
him
and
then
also
the
applicant
is
available
this
evening.
But
again,
this
is
just
a
continuation
of
the
existing
landfill
permit
with
no
changes.
Okay,.
D
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
disclose
that
I
did
speak
with
Mr
Jose
boskin,
yes
from
waste
management,
and
it
was
just
for
me.
It
was
more
information
because
I
didn't
understand
what
you
were
asking.
So
he
sort
of
gave
me
you
know
a
short
but
very
detailed
education
of
what
it
was
the
permit
and
then
I
also
verified
that
with
Mr
Richard.
Here
yesterday
at
the
agenda
review
for
myself.
A
Any
anybody
else
have
any
questions
about
it.
Okay,
if
not
anybody
from
the
public
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
will
close
the
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
city
engineer
to
renew
the
class
III
landfill
permit
for
the
Vista
landfill,
as
requested
by
Vista
landfill
LLC,
so
I'm.
X
A
C
J
Number
2958
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
T
transitional
and
County
A1
Citrus
rural
District
to
Il
light
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
on
the
southwest
corner
of
Peterson
Road
and
State
Road
429,
comprising
65.3
Acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
Simpson
D,
weighing
50
interest,
Simpson
Susie,
F,
50
interest,
Lexi
land
Investment,
LLC
sessions,
Plymouth
LLC
and
Hill
Lisa
LTR,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
J
A
Sir,
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
motion
to
adopt
ordinance,
number
2958,
so
I'm
going
to
multiply
commissioner
Nesta
so
think
about
commissioner
Becker,
all
those
in
favor
all
right,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2987.
J
Ordinance
number
2987.
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
to
extend
its
Territorial
and
Municipal
limits
to
Annex
pursuant
to
Florida
statute.
171.044
the
here
and
after
described,
land
situated
and
being
in
Orange
County
Florida
owned
by
Central
Florida
Expressway
Authority,
located
on
the
southwest
corner
of
Peterson
Road
and
State
Road
429,
comprising
6.0
Acres,
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
J
X
A
Okay,
anybody
from
the
public
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
2987.,
so
we've
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
second
by
commissioner
Smith.
All
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2992.
X
A
AH
J
Ordinance
number
2989
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
Apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
residential
low
to
residential
high
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
north
of
Old
Dixie,
Highway
and
East
of
shop.
Key
Leicester,
Road
owned
by
the
husam
Family
Trust,
comprising
10.42
Acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date
for.
X
The
record
Gene
Sanchez
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
This
is
a
request
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2989
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
March
15th
or
soon
thereafter.
This
is
to
amend
the
future
land
use
designation
of
2021
Old
Dixie
Highway
from
residential
low
to
residential
high.
X
The
property
is
located
north
of
Old
Dixie
and
east
of
shopky
Lester
Road
totaling,
approximately
1.4
acres
area
of
the
property
shows
residential
uses
in
the
vicinity
on
the
north,
south,
east
and
west.
There
are,
if
we
look
further
down,
there
might
be
some
commercial
uses
and
designations
on
the
south.
X
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
amend
the
future
land
use
designation
to
residential
high
permitting
15
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
proposed
future
land
use
designation
of
residential
high
will
allow
the
density
increase
needed
to
support
the
development
of
an
age
restricted,
Independent,
Living
Facility
in
the
subject,
property
residential
high
future
land
use
designation
will
serve
as
a
transition
between
the
commercial
future
land
use
to
the
south
of
the
property
and
residential
low
future
land
use
to
the
north.
X
X
At
that
same
meeting,
Planning
Commission
on
January
on
January
10th,
Planning
Commission
voted
a
60
vote
unanimously,
recommending
denial
of
the
future
land
use
Amendment.
However,
they
did
like
I
said
after
that
in
February
14th,
because
the
site
plan
for
the
special
exception
was
revised.
They
unanimously
voted
to
grant
that
special
exception
and
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that.
X
D
So
I
just
need
to
disclose
that
a
Miss,
Tower
Ted
row
representing
the
applicant
I
did
have
a
meeting
with
her
and
it
was
a
very
educational
because
I
didn't
understand
why
it
was
disapproved
and
approved
and
it
had
to
do
with
two
separate
applications
or
applications,
and
then
I
I
needed
the
definition
of
assisted
living
as
opposed
to
independent
living
and
why
the
specialist
exception
and
what,
if
it
didn't,
go
through
so
I,
will
let
her
talk
to
that.
D
But
sure
I
just
wanted
to
disclose
that
I
did
sit
down
with
her
for
a
meeting
ready.
A
Any
questions
for
Gene,
okay,
all
right
applicant,
yes,
come
on
up
Tara.
I
Good
evening,
Tara
tedro
215
North
Eola
Drive
Orlando
Florida
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
out
of
respect
for
everyone's
desire
to
probably
have
dinner
tonight.
I
won't
do
a
lengthy
PowerPoint
presentation
which
I
had
ready
unless
there's
specific
questions
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
most
of
you
on
the
commission
about
this
project,
specifically
to
explain
the
timing
as
to
why
we
ultimately
received
a
recommendation
of
unanimous
approval
for
a
special
exception,
which
is
companion
to
the
Future
land
use
designation,
request
before
you
tonight.
I
We
wouldn't
be
asking
for
one
without
the
other
under
some
contractual
deadlines.
At
the
time
we
thought
we
had
to
move
forward
with
the
future
land
use
on
the
schedule
that
was
supposed
to
have
come
before
you
all
at
your
prior
meetings.
So
we
said
we
have
to
take
a
recommendation.
Please
send
us
forward,
so
we
can
at
least
fix
the
plan
in
the
interim
and
come
back
for
that
special
exception
approval,
with
the
understanding
that
if
the
special
exception
were
approved,
the
planning
commission's
decision
would
have
been
different
on
the
future
land
use.
I
Hindsight's
2020.
We
didn't
realize
we
would
get
a
contract
extension,
so
here
we
are
to
today
where
we
did
get
that
recommendation
unanimously
from
your
Planning
Commission,
because
the
site
plan,
which
Gene
showed
you
was
revised
significantly
to
show
four
times
the
amount
of
required.
Let
me
get
you
to
a
new
plan
four
times
the
amount
of
setbacks
otherwise
required
under
your
code,
so
a
minimum
of
100
feet
as
opposed
to
25.
We
have
30
foot
Landscaping
buffers
with
canopy
under
story,
trees
and
shrubs
zero
Landscaping
buffers
are
required
under
code.
I
Today
we
also
agreed
to
a
20-foot
High
minimum
bamboo
wall
to
be
planted
by
the
time
we
are
operational,
so
that
provides
a
screening
on
the
northeast
and
west
side
of
our
properties
from
all
the
residents.
We
also
reconfigured
the
site
to
change
some
of
the
buildings,
as
well
as
some
of
the
amenities
specifically
to
respond
to
comments
that
the
residents
had
made,
which
is
why
we
ultimately
received
that
special
exception
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission.
I
So
the
future
land
use
change
before
you
tonight
again
is
a
companion
request
to
allow
that
special
exception
to
be
approved.
Ultimately,
we're
excited
for
because
this
would
be
the
only
operational
ilf
in
your
city.
Ilfs
have
zero
impacts
on
your
schools.
They
tend
to
have
a
much
lower
impact
on
all
of
City
infrastructure.
I
know
there
was
a
discussion
with
regards
to
Transportation
Planning,
and
so
we
did
have
a
traffic
study
run
early
on
this.
I
That
showed
a
very
minimal
amount,
28
a.m,
peak
hour,
36
p.m,
peak
hour
trip,
so
these
are
low
traffic
generators
on
the
roads.
There
were
some
questions
about
what
type
of
turn
Lanes
we
would
be
putting
in,
and
we've
committed
that
that
is
a
discussion.
We,
of
course,
will
have
during
the
construction
plan
and
site
plan
phase
with
your
staff
as
to
what
improvements
at
that
time
they
believed
to
be
warranted
and
what
the
conditions
of
the
road
would
warrant.
I
A
B
J
It's
number
29.90
ordinance
number
2990,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
Apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
residential
estate
to
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
West
Kelly
Road
West,
Kelly,
Park,
Road,
East
of
Jason
dwelley,
Parkway
and
west
of
Kenworth
Drive
owned
by
Raphael
Enrique
Alicia
casero,
comprising
of
10.129
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
X
Gene
Sanchez
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
This
is
to
request
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2990
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
on
March
15th
or
soon
thereafter.
This
is
to
amend
the
future
land
use
designation
of
1450
and
1520
West
Kelly
Park
Road
from
residential
Estates
to
very
low
density,
Suburban
residential.
The
properties
are
located
at
located
south
of
Kelly
Park
Road
and
West
of
Kelly
Park
Hill
subdivision
totaling,
approximately
10
acres
area
of
the
properties
show
residential
uses
and
AG
facilities
in
the
vicinity.
C
X
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
amend
the
future
land
use
to
residential,
very
low
Suburban,
permitting
a
maximum
of
two
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
request
is
compatible
with
the
requirement
in
policy
3.5
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
properties
north
of
bonkan,
Road
and
West
of
Rock
Springs
Road
are
restricted
to
no
more
than
two
dwelling
units
per
acre.
This
application
is
also
being
processed
simultaneously
with
an
application
to
rezone,
which
is
the
preceding
item
on
the
agenda
from
transitional
to
City
rsf-1a
Zoning
District.
X
The
DRC
recommends
approval
at
its
meeting
on
February
14
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
future
land
use
Amendment.
Based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report,
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
the
order
of
ordinance
number
2990
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
staff
is
available
for
questions.
V
X
Of
like
cul-de-sacs.
V
AE
V
G
Well,
that's
all
we're
talking
about
yeah
they'll
be
required
to
do
turn
Lanes.
Ultimately,
the
road
will
be
wired,
while
widened
everybody's
donating
right
away.
The
turn
lanes
that
are
already
there
will
be
repurposed.
Okay,.
I
G
Yeah
this
is
this
is
where
the
tourmaline
issue
becomes
a
problem.
When,
when
you
don't
have
enough
Road
Frontage
to
build
a
turn
lane,
we
can't
really
Force
somebody
to
go
and
buy
property,
so
the
left
lanes
are
left.
Turn
lanes
are
easier.
It's
the
right
turn
lanes
that
become
a
problem.
I
can't
make
you
buy
property
and
I
can't
make
people
sell
property.
G
A
They
fix
it.
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
Pam
or
Gene.
Not
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
promotion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2990
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption,
so
moved
kind
of
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
Second,
second,
by
Commissioner
of
Velazquez
all
is
in
favor
aye.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2991.
X
X
Changing
the
zoning
of
1450
and
1520
West
Kelly
Park
Road
from
T
transitional
to
rsf-1a
residential
single
family
estate,
zoning
District,
the
proposed
rsf-1a
zoning
district
is
compatible
with
the
future
land
use
designation
of
residential,
very
low,
suburban
and
with
the
residential
development
to
the
north,
south
and
west
DRC
recommends
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
I'm.
Sorry
at
its
meeting
on
February
14
2023
Planning
Commission
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning.
A
Questions
for
Gene
anybody
from
Fallout
wishes
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
A
public
hearing
look
for
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2991
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption,
so
moved
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
second
by
commissioner
Smith.
All
those
in
favor
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2994.
AC
Jim
hick
community
development
director,
sorry
for
the
length
the
last
one
you
had
was
a
little
shorter,
so
I
made
up
for
it.
I'm
just
kidding
you,
so
this
is
the
the
sixth
set
of
amendments
to
the
Land
Development
code.
As
I
mentioned
to
a
couple
of
the
Commissioners,
the
Land
Development
code
is
not
considered
a
static
type
of
document.
It
is
supposed
to
be
more
fluid.
AC
You
make
Corrections,
you
make
modifications,
you
update,
you
clarify
different
portions
of
the
Land
Development
code
and
that's
for
the
benefit
of
the
property
owners
is
for
the
benefit
of
the
city
itself
and
it's
for
benefit
of
the
developers.
It's
everybody
that's
involved.
That
has
to
look
at
this
document
to
regulate
how
development
occurs.
Has
to
look
at
this
and
the
the
better
you
make
it
the
more
clarif
clarification
you
have
for
the
document
itself,
the
better
it
is
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
AC
That's
why
one
had
to
do
the
full
rewrite
because
it
hadn't
been
done.
This
is
back
in
March,
of
course,
of
2019,
but
that's
the
reason
we
did
the
whole
rewrite
because
it
hadn't
been
done
in
about
25-30
years,
and
so
we
have
a
newer
document,
but
again
there
are
things
that
need
to
be
updated.
AC
So
with
that
one
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
the
the
sixth
batch
in
three
years.
So
it's
approximately
two
per
year.
Some
are
more
lengthy
than
others
and
as
as
I
also
mentioned
when
we
were
when
I
was
going
through
this,
the
agenda
review
sometimes
I
have
two
or
three
things
after
six
seven
months
and
then
when
I
tell
everybody,
hey
I'm,
going
to
be
doing
these
amendments,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
everybody
comes
up
with
these
other
changes
to
to
go
with
the
with
this.
So.
C
AC
Being
said,
this
does
affect
art,
10
articles
or
five
hour,
five
of
the
ten
articles
and
then
appendix
a
and
appendix
D.
Appendix
a
is,
of
course,
the
Kelly
Park,
interchange
portion
and
appendix
D
is
the
definition
section
for
the
Land
Development
code
itself.
The
Planning
Commission
saw
this
on
February
14th.
This
is
the
first
reading
for
ordinance,
29.94
and
the
second
reading
is
scheduled
right
now
for
March
15th.
For
the
evening
at
at
7
pm,
it
has
been
advertised
twice.
AC
Actually,
the
next
advertisement
is
coming
this
Friday,
which
will
be
for
the
15th.
Basically.
AC
C
AC
AC
One
of
the
things
that
that
we
noticed-
and
it
was
just
about
every
document
that
that
City
cut
or
that
cities
have
has
the
approval
process
for
land
use,
map
amendments
and
zoning
map
amendments.
We
had
two
different
sections.
So
what
I
did
we
actually
combined
them?
Because
it's
basically
the
exact
same
process?
And
so
we
got
rid
of
a
whole
section.
We
got
rid
of
about
five
or
six
pages,
so
that
helps
because
every
every
time
we
add
something
we
try
to
even
it
off
a
little
bit.
AC
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
did.
As
you
know,
we've
we've
got
quite
a
few
more
apartment
complexes
coming
in
and
we
didn't
have
a
clear
way
to
require
or
what
to
require
for
male
kiosks.
So
we
are
getting
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
kiosks.
AC
They
didn't
necessarily,
they
were
painted,
maybe
the
same
colors
the
buildings,
but
there
was
no
overhang
to
provide
for
for
the
male
carriers
to
put
in
the
mail
into
the
into
the
kiosks
and
people
picking
the
mail
up,
we're
standing
in
the
rain,
so
we're
requiring
a
comparable
type
of
a
design
for
the
for
the
kiosks
to
make
it
look
comparable
to
what
the
facilities
actually
are
and
also
a
cover
and
paved
concrete
behind
and
in
front.
AC
So
that's
that's
probably
one
of
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
good
changes
that
that
we
came
up
with
and
Gene
Sanchez
worked
on
that
part
pretty
thoroughly
and
we
added
a
couple
things
and
took
out
a
couple
things,
but
we
made
sure
that
we're
taking
care
of
our
our
residents
and
for
our
mail
carriers
too
either
sleep
nor
rain.
I.
Think
one
other
thing
that
that
came
up
from
the
fire
department
is
the
size
and
location
of
the
numbers
on
buildings
for
for
identification
purposes.
AC
So
at
this
stage
we
have
a
minimum
of
four
maximum
of
six
for
residential
structures
and
we
have
four
to
ten
inches
for
commercial
structures.
We
also
have
a
caveat
that,
if
a
say,
for
instance,
the
industrial
warehousing
they
want
to
put
their
number
up
top.
This
is
something
that
we
I
talked
with
the
fire
department
about
if
they
wanted
to
put
their
number
up
top.
AC
Obviously,
10
inches
is
not
going
to
work
that
good,
but
it
does
allow
us
to
make
a
change
to
that
if
they
wanted
to
put
up
two
two
inch
or
two
foot
letters
up
on
the
top
of
those
buildings
that
they're
driving
to
in
a
hurry.
That
is,
we
can
approve
things
like
that
too.
So,
there's
enough
disparity
or
discrepancy
in
our
in
our
code
that
we
can
actually
make
some
little
changes
like
that.
AC
And
that
obviously,
is
a
good
one,
the
other
one
that
came
up
and
this
this
came
up
from
from
a
resident.
We've
got
one
car
garages,
we've
got
two
car
garages.
We
have
three
car
garages,
however,
our
code
did
not
allow
for
a
three
car
driveway
apron
to
get
into
those
three-car
garages.
AC
You
would
have
had
to
my
my
house:
I,
pull
off
the
side
on
a
mulch
path
and
it
is
a
pain
to
to
do
and
but
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
three-car
garages
that
are
going
in
that
have
gone
in
or
are
going
in.
We
widened
that
apron
from
a
minimum
or
a
maximum
of
18
feet.
Add
another
nine
feet,
basically
27
feet
and
it
it
solves
some
problems
for,
for
some
people
that
have
done
it
have
added
an
apron
in
the
past
and
it
was
not
per
code.
AC
Zoning
variants,
our
Planning
Commission,
was
having
an
issue
with
zoning
variances
and
the
hardship
requirements
that
that
were
not
taken
into
account
in
our
variance
code
requirements.
So
we
actually
put
in
some
parameters
there
that
took
into
account
the
topographic
location,
the
the
location
itself.
What
it's
next
to
it
gave
a
little
bit
more
ability
for
the
for
the
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
work
off
of
what
the
what
the
site
actually
looks
like
and
what
they're
next
to.
AC
Just
making
sure
I
get
the
good
highlights,
we
want
bicycle
parking
in
all
districts
depending
you
know,
for
for
new
developments
and
right
in
so
it
was
originally
just
in
the
mixed-use
downtown
and
the
mixed
use
East
Shore
districts.
So
we
basically
put
that
to
all
the
other
districts,
whether
it's
commercial
or
Industrial,.
AC
AC
AC
Oh
and
then
we
also
put
in
a
new
definition:
I,
don't
know
if
you
recall
the
build
to
line
that
was
referred
to
in
the
mixed
use,
downtown.
That
basically
means
that
if
you
have
a
new
lot
and
you
want
to
put
in
a
house
your
front,
setback
from
the
from
the
street
will
depend
on
your
neighbors.
If
you
have
a
house,
that's
10
feet
from
the
property
line,
you'd
be
able
to
do
10
feet.
If
it's
a
mix
between,
say,
10
and
15
you
can.
AC
You
can
do
that
mix
right
in
between
the
main
thing
that
we
were
trying
to
avoid.
There
is
to
not
have
a
house
sitting
in
front
of
somebody
else's
house
as
a
new
house,
but
we
also
put
in
a
definition
in
the
definition
section
in
appendix
D.
So
that
way
we
have
a
definition
instead
of
basically
looking
at
people
scratching
their
chin
and
wondering
what
is
a?
What
is
a
build
two
line.
AC
Kelly
Park,
oh,
this
is
a
simple
one.
The
Kelly
Park
interchange,
District,
had
block
lengths.
AC
We
were
it
said
perimeter
instead
of
length,
so
perimeter
for
a
block
link
is
typically
like
600
feet
and
it
was
a.
It
was
perimeter
not
length.
So
we
clarified
it
was
the
length
of
the
block,
not
the
perimeter,
so
that
otherwise
it
would
have
been
a
real
short
block
going
around
again
common
common
sense
kind
of
Corrections
that
that
we
that
we
try
to
find
those
are
probably
the.
A
A
R
Very
brief
comment
from
me:
Albert
KBC,
603
golden
gem,
Road
I,
presume
that
these
amendments
to
the
ordinancements
will
create
a
lot
of
questions
from
Mr
hetton's
Department
can
Mr
explain
to
me
how
he
will
be
able
to
address
these
comments
when
I'm
still
waiting
for
an
answer
from
Gene
Sanchez
from
back
in
September
on
September.
This
on
the
7th
of
February
I
returned
to
City
Hall
to
ask
why
I
hadn't
had
a
reply
to
my
email,
I'm
still
waiting.
So
perhaps
he
can
address
a
situation
that
he'll
be
able
to
deal
with
residents.
A
A
H
H
AC
AC
J
Number
2995
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apocal
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
Apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
residential
low
to
residential
medium
low
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
ma
board.
Street
and
East
of
South
Hawthorne
Avenue
owned
by
the
city
of
Apopka,
comprising
1.9,
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
AC
Again
Jim
hit
I'm,
not
Gene
Sanchez
in
case
you're
right.
This
is
some
property.
That's
on
the
south
side
of
ma
board
street
across
the
street,
from
lonza
Williams
Park
in
the
Billy
Dean
Community
Center.
It
comprises
just
a
hair
over
one
acre
this.
If
you
recall
back
about
six
eight
months
ago,
we
talked
about
trying
to
get
some
affordable
housing
into
the
downtown.
This
is
some
of
the
only
large
pieces
of
property
that
are
available
from
the
city
for
for
potential
development.
AC
Again,
it's
it's
pretty
much
largely
vacant,
it
is,
does
have
a
future
land
use
right
now,
five
and
dwellings
per
acre.
If
you
look
to
the
South
Side,
the
next
block
down,
basically,
that's
all
the
medium
low,
also
in
7.5
Millions
per
acre
the
property
on
the
southwest
of
this
one
is
also
residential,
medium
low
and
actually
the
Western.
Half
of
this
is
actually
medium
low,
also,
but
for
intensive
purposes.
AC
D
V
V
AC
AC
Units
yeah,
okay
yeah,
they
would
actually
wouldn't
be
able
to
fit
eight
because
of
the
the
setback
requirements
and
also
the
the
width
requirements.
Minimum
width
requirement
in
the
in
the
downtown
overlays
is
50
feet
and
that's
what
they're?
That's?
What
they've
drawn
up
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
second
also
so
ocps
we
did
contact
them
and
they
they
consider
this
de
minimis
they
will
have
to
whoever
develops.
This
would
still
have
to
do
a
concurrency
agreement
for,
however
many
units
it
may
be.
AC
It
would
be
very,
very
small
for
just
the
seven
units,
though
that
are
there.
My
rights
already
have
five
units.
It
would
be
just
two
two
additional
units
at
that
point.
The
development
Review
Committee
did
recommend
approval,
Planning
Commission.
They
actually
voted
four
to
three
against
doing
the
seven
dwelling
units
per
acre.
AC
The
neighbor
came
out
to
the
east
I
think
it's
the
grandson
that
he
had
made
a
couple,
a
couple
statements
in
regards
to
his
grandmother's
property,
that
the
fences
on
it's
on
our
property,
but
he
would
have
to
move
the
fence
if
this
got
developed
regardless.
If
it
gets
developed
a
five
units
breaker,
the
fence
would
still
have
to
be
moved,
so
they
put
the
fence
in
the
wrong
location.
AC
He
also
stated
that
the
property
coming
up
from
the
south
leads
right
into
his
property.
It
does
not.
It
runs
right
along
the
property
line
itself.
AC
AC
One
of
the
thoughts
that
that
we
had
originally
thought
of
for
this
property
was
was
for
a
parking
lot
and
a
lot
of
people
thought
that
the
parking
lot
would
be
favorable
for
the
park
itself
as
a
result
that
we
did.
We
do
have
a
plan
for
17
additional
parking
spots
off
of
Washington
on
the
east
side
of
Alonso
Williams
Park,
and
we
also
have
some
parking.
That
is
not
actually
you
know
the
the
purple
or
the
the
angle
parking.
AC
That's
right,
south
of
the
main
Park
on
on
me
board
Street.
It
is
questionable
in
regards
to
hanging
out
into
the
street.
We
are
looking
at
doing
as
part
of
this
development,
also
putting
in
some
on-street
parking
parallel
parking.
That's
per
code
we'd
probably
be
able
to
get
about
six
parking
spaces
along
there.
They're
they're
eight
feet
by
22
feet
for
per
coat,
and
that
would
serve
two
functions.
AC
One
is
in
the
Overflow
parking
for
guests
that
are
for
some
of
the
the
owners
of
the
single-family
homes
that
would
be
put
in,
and
it
will
also
have
a
little
bit
of
overflow
for
the
for
the
park.
So
that
way
we
get
a
little
bit
more
parking
spaces.
There.
AC
The
so
one
of
the
things
that
so
he
brought
up
about
a
parking
lot
and
He
also
mentioned
that
the
parking
itself
that
he'd
like
to
put
in
three
homes,
it
is
up
to
five
homes
right
now.
One
question
regarding
what
would
you
like
to
what
would
you
rather
see
on
the
on
the
lot?
He
did
say
you
know
three
homes,
but
again
it
it
does.
AC
It
can
go
up
to
five
Homes
at
this
stage
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
mirror
what
was
already
allowed
on
the
southern
side.
The
other
thing
that
that
we
were
looking
at
doing
this
is
the
the
general
plan
that
this
is
a
it's
a
draft,
obviously,
but
the
northern
Lots
themselves.
There's
two
lots
on
the
North
side
facing
ma
board.
They
are
almost
exactly
the
same
size
as
the
lot
to
the
east.
AC
So
looking
at
it,
the
width-wise
you're
you're
still
looking
at
the
same
same
width
lot,
so
the
smaller
Lots
themselves
are
would
be
facing
Hawthorne
itself
and
then
we've
got
a
shared
use
or
accessible
driveway
going
down
the
Eastern
side,
with
a
five
foot
setback
from
the
property
line
as
a
landscape
buffer,
that's
required
per
code.
So
this
actually
does
meet
code,
doing
a
shared
driveway
to
the
South
and
then
and
then
the
one.
AC
AC
Would
be
well
the
answer
Park,
you
obviously
they've
got
their
driveway
area
here,
but
the
on-site
parking
would
be
right
along
on
street.
Parking
would
be
right
along
here
and
then
the
angle
parking
is
right
along
here
for
the
for
the
street
for
the
park
itself
for
the
park
itself:
okay,
yeah.
This
is
where
the
angle
parking
is
n't.
That.
C
AC
Yeah
overflow,
thank
you,
but
this
is
where
we
do
the
parallel
parking.
AC
Right
now
it
looks
like
we
could
probably
put
about
six
parking
spots.
It's
180
feet
for
the
for
the
width
of
the
the
lot
as
it
is
right
now,
and
so,
if
you
go
22
feet,
each
less
about
30
to
35
feet
for
the
driveway
on
the
Eastern
side,
you've
got
it.
You've
got
enough
space
for
probably
about
six
parking
spots.
AC
So
obviously,
staff's
recommendation
is
still
recommended
for
the
seven
dwellings
per
acre
7.5
billion
years
per
acre,
so
we
could
get
the
at
least
a
couple
more
affordable
homes
in
there.
AC
AC
D
Was
was
this
part?
This
was
I.
Have
two
questions
that
were
asked
of
me.
Was
this
a
surplus,
this
piece
of
property
was
it
of
a
surplus?
Was
it
you
know?
How
did
how
did
it
get
from
our
from
the
city
to
the
ministry
Alliance?
That
was
the
question.
C
AC
That
this
was
this
was
something
that
came
up
back
when
we
were
looking
at
some
other
properties
for
Surplus
it
from
what
I
understand,
and
the
City
attorney
will
probably
correct
me
is
that
the
city
does
not
have
to
go
out
to
bid
to
Surplus
property.
We
we
can
make
arrangements
with
different
entities
for
development
or
sale
of
a
property
itself.
One
of
the
reasons
we
did,
the
the
the
the
10
acres
that
was
up
north
off
of
Sandpiper
and
Park
Avenue
was
because
it
was
a
large
piece
of
property.
AC
D
V
V
One
discussion
thought
was
that
we're
taking
away
extra
parking
for
any
events
there
and
and
the
better
and
bigger
events
we
can
do
at
that
Park,
the
better
Park
exceeds
the
more
buying
in
the
community.
Things
like
that,
so
I
understand
that
we
are
doing
17
more
spots
on
the
northeast
side.
I'm
just
worried
about
this
killing
the
opportunity
for
more
events
on
this
site
and
what
that
means
for
Alonso,
Williams,
Park.
A
AC
AC
Had
actually
done
different
designs
that
showed
some
homes
on
one
part
parking
on
another
part
or
parking
for
the
whole
thing
putting
it
was,
it
was
a.
It
was
a
exercise
to
see
what
how
we
could
design
some
properties
and
working
with
the
minister
of
Alliance.
We
came
up
with
this
design
that
could
basically
fit
seven
homes,
so
the
the.
V
AC
Not
really,
you
know
it's
like
any
house,
you
know
like
a
town
home
development,
you've
got
you've,
got
one
car
garage
and
you've
got
a
one-car,
driveway
and
and
but
by
by
having
extra
parking
on
the
on
the
North
side.
Obviously
they
might
be
parking
there
at
night,
but
it's
that
would
be
no
different
than
a
normal
street
parking
on
the
street.
V
Well,
I
would
Echo
the
same
system.
I
just
made
is
that
if
we
were
to
do
on-street
parallel
parking
there
I
wouldn't
want
it
for
the
residents
there
I'd
want
that
dedicated
for
the
the
park.
Use
I
think
that's
really
important.
For
the.
For
that
part
to
succeed
with
events
and
entertainment,
we
need
adequate
parking
in
the
16
spots
that
are
there
I
I.
Can
we
all
have
a
million
pictures
that
I
can
show
none
of
the
cars
fit
there
correct.
AJ
Rather
Williams
Parks
and
Rec
director,
that
was
an
item
that
I
had
heard
at
the
ERC
meeting
as
well,
and
they
did
reach
out
to
Mr
hit.
AJ
We
are
attempting,
with
my
staff,
to
reach
out
to
the
property
north
of
the
park,
which
is
owned
by
Quest,
to
see
if
there's
any
availability
or
interest
to
discuss,
negotiate
utilizing
some
other
property,
as
our
overflow
parking
lot,
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
spaces
I'm
not
sure
how
many
spaces
would
fit
on
the
current
property.
So
I
can
work
with
Mr
hit
and
kind
of
determine
that
to
see
if
there's
numbers
that
kind
of
make
sense.
AJ
V
I
mean
it's
just
a
really
big
concern
until
we
actually
have
something
somewhat
confident
to
move
forward.
It
I'm
just
uncomfortable,
getting
higher
density
there
and
doing
any
agreements
moving
forward
until
we
figure
out
parking
I
mean
because
where
would
Ada
spots
go?
Where
would
just
a
lot
of
different
variables
there
and
walking
through
rough
terrain?
Things
like
that?
No
I,
I
assume
mostly
this
is
not
ADA
Compliant,
as
it
is
so
just.
AJ
AJ
H
A
negotiation
on
that
I
happen
to
know
somebody
who
serves
on
the
board
of
quest,
so
that
can
be
a
conversation.
I
think
that
will.
B
And,
of
course,
you
know,
I'm
big
on
affordable
housing
and
housing
is
definitely
needed
in
that
area,
and
so
this
would
be
a
a
great
asset
to
that.
Community
as
well
and
I
think
it
would
be
to
Advantage
if
we
could
work
out
something
with
quests,
because
if
you've
ever
been
on
the
weekend,
90
of
the
people
at
the
park
park
on
Quest
parking
property,
yeah.
AJ
A
Any
other
questions
for
Jim
or
Radley,
okay,
anybody
from
the
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter.
S
Sylvester
Hall
3901,
Rolling
Hills
Lane
up
front
I'll,
make
it
brief.
I
attended
an
event
over
the
weekend
and
what
we
had
to
use.
That
area
is
Overflow,
Park
and
so
two
things
for
me.
I
think
it'll
be
best
utilized
as
parking
for
the
park
and
for
the
Billy
Dean
Community
Center
that
event
we
had
Sunday.
If
you
can
imagine
us
leaving
that
event
Sunday.
S
We
would
want
our
kids
playing
on
that
street
and
then,
when
you
got
these
houses,
you
say
they're
back
to
back.
Well,
how
would
you
like
to
walk
out
of
your
back
door
and
somebody's
staring
you
right
in
the
face?
That's
not
comfortable
living,
that's
not
the
living
that
we
should
want
for
anybody,
because
we
wouldn't
want
it
for
ourselves.
Thank
you.
AL
Right
love,
The,
Landings,
Apopka,.
AL
It's
America
commissioners.
There
was
a
task
force
that
took
place
four
and
a
half
five
years
ago.
I
provided
you
with
what
I
like
to
call
receipts
in
that
task
force
report.
It
spoke
about
affordable
housing.
It
specifically
talked
about
affordable
housing
and,
in
addition
to
not
speaking
just
affordable,
housing
and
again
Mr
Mayor.
You
are
the
one
who
was
the
impetus
for
us
starting
the
task
force
because
of
some
of
the
violent
crimes,
but
that
task
force
didn't
Focus
just
on
violent
crime.
That
task
force
focused
on
the
entire
Community
focused
on
housing.
AL
Job
training
focused
on
economic
development,
but
in
addition
to
that
and
in
your
package,
you'll
see
the
receipts
this.
This
just
didn't
start
yesterday,
six
months
a
year
ago,
this
goes
back
to
and
I
apologize,
pastor,
King
and
Hezekiah
Bradford
had
to
leave.
Everybody
knows
this
is
Wednesday
Bible
study,
but
they
participated
on
the
task
force
and
it
was
a
family
member
of
Reverend
Kingdom
man
who
was
murdered
on
13th
Street.
That
was
again
the
impetus
to
get
the
community
together
to
talk
about
the
things
that
we
needed
to
do.
AL
The
minister
alliance
submitted
a
letter
to
then
Governor
Rick
Scott.
That
was
a
white
page
that
was
developed
by
attorney
Greg,
Jackson
and
myself,
because
at
the
time
the
legislature
was
talking
about
eliminating
cras,
Community
Development
agencies.
As
you
all
know,
we
submitted
legislative
Appropriations
for
kid
programming,
job
training
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
this
goes
back
five
six
years.
But
then,
if
you
fast
forward
to
the
day
Orange
County
mayor,
Jerry
demmings,
he
created
a
housing
task
force
to
address
the
crisis.
AL
When
we
talk
about
not
wanting
things
on
our
back
porch
think
about
those
people
who
don't
have
a
back
porch.
Commissioner
Smith
I
remember
when
I
met
you
some
years
ago,
and
you
told
me
about
your
humble
beginnings.
You
told
me
about
how
you
were
able
to
feed
the
chickens
from
inside
the
house
and
city
boy.
Like
me,
I
didn't
know
what
you
were
talking
about.
AL
AL
It
reminds
me
of
the
story
about
those
four
people
and
I'll
leave
you
with
this
somebody
Anybody
Everybody
and
nobody-
we've
been
having
this
conversation
for
a
long
time.
The
high
end,
based
on
the
Orange
County
task
force
report,
the
high
end
of
affordable
housing
right
now
is
297
thousand
dollars.
AL
We
put
this
in
the
report
five
years
ago.
We
wouldn't
be
paying
almost
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
if
that
property
was
developed
somewhere.
Back
then,
in
this
report
talks
about
the
things
that
we
can
do
to
work
with
kids
in
our
community.
We
don't
need
to
continue
to
see
tragedies
that
take
place
like
what
took
place
last
week.
AL
AL
AF
Tim
Ford,
Lakeside,
Apopka
I
know
it's
been
long.
Just
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
what
I'm
hearing
I'm
not
saying
I'm
against
affordable
housing,
I'm
just
a
little
confused,
because
I
guess
I
can
see
it
straight.
I
thought
we
got
sued
to
give
them
some
affordable
housing.
On
this
end,
so
I
thought
it
was
coming
to
Apopka
one,
but
then
the
second
thing
I
want
to.
Are
we
saying
that
we're
gonna
purchase
land
from
Quest
or
you?
We
look
at
them
donating
land.
AF
H
Does
so
I
I
can
appreciate
Mr
loves
remarks,
it's
just
we're
not
even
there.
Yet
it's
really
what
we
should
be
deciding
is
whether
or
not
it's
compatible
with
the
area.
Now
on
that
last
map,
is
that
darker
yellow
compatible
with
what
you're
trying
to
do?
Would
it
be
dark,
yellow
on
that,
like
every
other
piece
of
property?
That's
a
budding
Hawthorne.
AC
AC
V
V
Again,
I
think
for
the
success
of
this
era.
This
is
one
of
their
only
main
parts
in
this
community's
area.
It
needs
to
be
successful.
The
parking
area
there
is
garbage
and
yes,
we're
getting
17
more
spots
eventually,
but
when
and
is
it
going
to
be
similar
quality
to
what's
on
the
south
side
of
Alondra
Williams
now
or
is
it
going
to
actually
be
what
is
expected
everywhere
else
in
the
city
it'd.
AC
Be
probably
similar
to
what
Habitat
for
Humanity
has
except
I've
started,
I've
already
seen
the
design
of
this
home
and
they
actually
have
more
Peaks
and
valleys
on
the
roof
line
and
it
they're
nice
looking
homes.
A
B
A
V
F
But
even
if
it's
there's
no,
it's
an
option
down
the
road.
Well,
anything
is
an
option
on
the
road
which
will
recuse
you
from
voting
on
everything
potentially
on
any
city
property,
because
it's
an
option
down
the
road
I
mean
it
it's
it.
The
law
in
regards
to
conflicts
of
interest
is,
if
there's
a
direct
pecuniary
interest
in
in
the
vote
and
at
this
point,
there's
no
contractual
relationship
between
the
city
and
the
ministerial
Alliance
in
regards
to
this
property.
It's
a
city
property
which
we're
seeking
to
change
the
density
of
okay.
F
If
they're
at
the
time
there
may
be
a
contract,
then
that
will
be
we'll
address
it
at
that
time.
But
at
this
present
time,
there's
no
contractual
relationship
and
you
don't
have
a
conflict
on
potential
because
then
you
always
there's.
Everybody
has
potential,
always.
D
D
C
A
D
A
R
A
Aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
city
council
reports.
You
want
to
start
us
out
sure.
V
I,
don't
have
much
just
we're
celebrating
women's
history
month,
so
that's
exciting,
with
two
daughters,
I
look
forward
to
making
this
a
cool
month
for
them.
I
wanted
to
reference
again.
The
tables
at
the
pop
concert
coming
up
the
orchestra
they're
going
to
be
100
a
table
and
looking
forward
to
having
those
available
for
everybody
wanted
to
see.
V
If
we
have
an
update
on
that
financial
advisor
and
what
capacity
we
can
get
that
ball
rolling
in
some
capacity
I
know,
we
had
spoken
briefly
on
Monday
about
going
out
to
bid
or
asking
for
bids
or
something
along
those
lines
or
sending
an
update
on
that.
T
Good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
yes,
it
is
out
forbid
and
we
actually
have
one
set
of
questions
that
came
in
today
and
we
did
send
it
directly
to
certain
vendors.
Okay,
first,
try
on
being
one.
T
V
Oh,
it
was
brought
up
at
DRC
this
morning
and
I
thought
it
was
really
important
from
the
police
chief
that
with
each
of
our
projects
that
were
that,
come
to
DRC
that
go
to
planning
and
obviously
come
to
us
that,
in
that
we
have,
you
know
School
concurrency
things
like
that,
but
to
have
an
additional
information
kind
of
call
them
so
to
speak.
That
lets
us
know
how
many
more
firefighters
we
need
for
this
new
development.
How
many
more
officers
we
need,
how
many
more
possibly
public
service
reps!
V
V
These
departments,
so
I
thought
that
was
something
it's
a
it's
more
work
for
staff,
but
I
do
think
it
helps
us
make
educated
decisions
moving
forward
of
how
it
impacts
and
we're
not
surprised
when
police
or
Fire
come
up
and
say
hey.
We
need
20
more
because
you
guys
approved
3
000
more
units,
so
I
just
thought.
That
was
a
really
good
point
that
was
made
and
I'd
like
to
just
see
that
added
to
some
of
our
information
coming
through,
and
that's
it
for
me
right
now,.
B
A
couple
of
things,
first
of
all,
you
know
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
comments
tonight
about
schools
and
about
how
they
overcrowded
and
and
I've
got
to
give
scuba
Melissa
Byrd
a
lot
of
credit
that
she's
really
she's
staying
on
top
of
it
and
she's
doing
all
within
her
power
to
make
sure
that
this
section
of
Orange
County
is
not
overlooked.
B
But
we
need
to
put
more
pressure
on
our
state
elected
officials,
because
it's
a
state
problem
as
well
and
so
Orange
County
School
boards
hands
are
kind
of
tired,
and
so,
if
we
could
reach
out
to
them
and
I
think
we
had
one
workshop
with
them
before
we
went
down
to
the
school
board
and
met
with
them.
B
So
we
probably
need
to
do
that
again
and
then,
like
I,
said
again
work
with
our
state
officials
and
see
what
we
can
do
about
schools
being
built
faster
and
then,
as
you
know,
last
month,
Black
History
Month.
B
There
were
several
events
that
took
place
still
in
Black
History
Month
to
celebrate
the
accomplishments
of
African
Americans
and
I
attended
several
of
those
Apopka
High
School
had
one
Wolf
Lake
Elementary,
which
was
outstanding
found
out
that
commissioner
Becca's
daughter
can
sing
better
than
he
can
and
also
at
recover
high
school.
They
had
one
as
well.
The
newer
Baptist
Church
also
held
an
event.
B
The
mayor
was
in
attendance
of
that
one
as
well,
and
we
want
to
give
a
great
shout
out
to
the
city
of
Apopka,
to
Apopka
youth
Council
and
to
the
popular
Historical
Society
for
the
event
that
was
held
at
the
building
community
Center
outstanding
event
very
well
attended,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
continuing
that
particular
event
in
the
near
future.
There
was
also
an
event
held
at
the
Pink
Tea
Room
called
read
around
the
city
where
they
highlighted
three
young
African-American
authors.
B
I
was
surprised,
I
found
out.
One
of
them
was
even
my
niece,
so
it
was
great
along
with
the
school
board
member
Byrd
commissioner
Vanessa
myself
on
last
Saturday.
Did
the
cleanup
at
Apopka
middle
school
and
found
out
Apopka
High
School
had
one
on
the
same
day
as
well,
and
we
had
known,
we
could
have
coordinated
a
bit
better,
but
that
could
not
be
a
great
event
and
we
are
very
thankful
for
all
the
participants
that
volunteered
their
services
at
that
particular
cleanup.
B
There
was
a
groundbreaking
ceremony
this
week
on
Apopka
Court
Road
for
a
new
orange
Technical
College
that
will
be
opening
in
the
fall
of
2024.
It's
going
to
replace
the
technos
technical
center
that
was
in
Winter
Garden
that
used
to
be
called
Mid,
Florida
Tech,
so
it's
outdated
and
constantly
needing
be
modified
in
order
to
be
updated,
so
they're
building
a
a
brand
new
facility.
So
that's
going
to
be
great
to
serve
the
residents
in
the
popcorn
and
Winter
Garden.
B
So
it's
going
to
be
closer
to
us
as
well
I'm,
also
in
conversation
with
a
a
firm,
that's
going
to
be
bringing
a
delegation
of
about
25
individuals
here
from
Africa
and
and
I
would
like
for
the
city
of
Apopka
to
be
a
sister
city
and
they'll
be
going
to
be
coming
on.
May
2nd
they'll,
be
here,
May,
2nd
through
the
5th
and
so
they'll,
be
here
doing
our
first
city
council
meeting
of
the
month,
and
so,
if
possible,
we
could
have
a
proclamation
and
adopt
them
as
a
sister
city.
B
B
So
we're
looking
forward
to
that
we're
working
with
a
couple
of
seed
companies
to
provide
some
seed
for
them
as
well
to
take
back
and
locally
with
agree,
starts
to
take
back
plant
material
as
well.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
that
delegation
from
Africa
to
be
here
and
for
us
to
become
a
sister
city
and
last
thing
is,
if
it's
all
possible
by
next
City
commission
meeting,
we
can
set
a
another
meeting
for
the
annexation
of
the
Incorporated
parts
of
Apopka.
That
would
be
great.
B
H
H
Longer
and
larger
conversation
than
I'm
going
to
make
it
now
but
again
to
renew
my
comments
during
public
comment
is
every
meeting
we
are
being
challenged
with
our
leadership
or
the
lack
thereof
and
again
I'm.
Looking
at
all
five
of
us,
not
just
single
single
one
of
us,
and
so
part
of
that
is,
you
know.
Obviously,
we've
had
this.
This
ganum
report
that
was
going
around
in
draft
state
non-draft
state.
H
H
AN
To
answer
your
question,
we
are
going
to
the
the
final
draft
we
got.
We
are
accepting
as
the
final
report,
that
we
are
planning
on
vetting
that
report
and
presenting
something
to
you
in
the
next
commission
meeting
regarding
report
and
findings.
So
just.
H
H
What,
if
anything,
is
the
administration
doing
in
response
to
what
was
presented
earlier
this
evening?
The
results
of
a
votive
confidence,
the
last
city
council
meeting,
while
I
did
not
get
a
second
in
my
motion
of
my
motion
for
no
confidence,
it
was
not
officially
killed
for
lack
thereof.
So
technically
it's
still
an
open
item.
H
H
H
This
evening,
but
we
need
some
closure
for
these
people,
I
mean
we
had
this
conversation
during
our
pre-meeting
yesterday
and
we've
got
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
have
we've
built
enough
confidence
with
the
people
that
are
sitting
in
this
room.
Most
importantly,
the
people
within
your
organization
in
Austin's
family.
That
makes
like
there's
practical
steps
that
we
can
commit
to
to
say.
We've
got
this
stuff
under
control
and.
C
H
H
I'll
I'll
table
my
remarks
that
I
have
for
my
interactions
with
Mr
Rodriguez
for
for
another
date
and
I'll.
Tell
you
the
rest
of
my
time.
D
Mr
Velazquez
well,
I
was
going
to
touch
on
some
of
the
highlights
that
commissioner
Smith
touched
on
so
I
won't
do
that,
but
I
do
want
to
touch
on
one
thing
and-
and
that
is
it's
regarding.
If
anybody
had
been
following
me
regarding
the
UCF
downtown
Apopka
Vision
plan,
you
know,
while
I
was
at
Saturday,
sounds
on
February
18th
I
had
been
approached
by
some
residents
asking
me.
D
You
know
how
can
I
give
them
some
more
information
regarding
the
vision
plan
and,
of
course
my
response
was,
we
don't
have
a
vision
plan
going
on
and
they
said,
yeah
there's
a
table
in
the
back
over
there
and
they're
asking
for
a
survey,
so
I
did
go
back
there.
I
spent
about
35
minutes
with
the
the
UCF
Master
students
and
I
was
enlightened
by
a
survey
plan
that
was
occurring.
D
Let
me
see
this,
and
here
it
is
completely
blindsided
by
it.
This
is
what
was
occurring
at
the
park.
D
Comes
I
really
was
enlightened
by
their
the
project
that
it's
a
school
project
that
it's
a
mission
that
they
have
they're
collecting
data
conducting
interviews.
Well,
what
really
surprised
me
was
how
long
it
was
going
on
they
claimed
it
was.
D
They
said
it
was
going
on
for
about
eight
months
and
they
told
me
who
they
had
been
talking
to
so
I
remember
coming
in
on
Monday
and
speaking
to
Pam
Richmond
from
transportation,
and
she
did
tell
me
that
it
was
an
oversight
that
you
know
she
meant
to
inform
us
of
it,
but
she
forgot.
D
So
my
my
thing
is
there's
a
there's.
The
communication,
for
me
is
is
something
that
I
have
constantly
addressed
up
here:
learning
about
a
project
or
about
an
agreement
or
about
a
proposal.
I
seem
to
learn
about
it
when
we're
here
and
then
they're
asking
us
to
vote
for
it
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
keep
stressing
that
I
would
just
like
a
heads
up
just
give
us
some
information,
this
past
Monday
I,
guess
the
students
they
go
back
to
their
Professor.
D
Well,
he
called
me
at
home
and
I
actually
spent
about
35
minutes
with
him
on
the
phone
he
gave
me
so
much
information
and
I've
said
to
him.
I
apologize
I
said
really,
sorry
that
you
know
I
I
posted
a
Facebook
post.
It
wasn't
supposed
to
be
negative.
I
said
it
was
about
I'm
frustrated
by
the
information.
That's
not
shared
with
the
Commissioners,
so
I'm
asking
our
attorney.
D
You
know,
unfortunately,
Ed
bass
is
not
available.
Is
to
give
us
information.
That's
all
just
share
information
of
things
that
are
going
on
around
our
city.
That
is
going
to
affect
an
outcome.
It's
going
to
have
an
action
from
it,
and
this
is
going
to
have
an
action
from
it
because
I
understand
from
The
Professor
Luis
Santiago,
who
called
me
and
gave
me
so
much
information
that
this
class,
it's
a
master,
it's
a
it's
a
classes
assignment
by
the
professor
I
learned
that
we
were
chosen
because
of
the
bike,
walk
I.
D
Guess
the
the
organization
had
to
do
with
The
Pedestrian
fatalities
and
that's
how
they
selected
Apopka
as
a
project,
so
I
understand
that
they
are
going
to
be
coming
back
next
Saturday
to
the
amphitheater
to
continue
their
survey.
They
are
coming
back.
They
have
two
more
public
meetings.
They
have
Saturday
March
4th
at
Saturday
sounds:
oh
I'm.
Sorry
that
March
4th
has
Saturday
sounds,
and
then
they
have
another
Community
Center.
D
D
Their
Master
Class
assignment
ends
April
24th.
Thereafter,
their
assignment
will
be
reviewed
and
graded
by
their
professor
and
then
the
whole
project
will
be
sent
to
us
here
at
the
city
of
Apopka,
so
I
mean
I
I
wholeheartedly
support
the
project.
I
think
it's
good
I
think
the
information
that
they're
going
to
get
they're
working
on
their
own,
getting
data
interviews
conducting
this
public
survey
on
their
own
time.
I
think
that
there
will
be
good
for
us.
But
what
I'm
asking
as
a
commissioner?
D
We
were
all
elected
each
and
every
one
of
us
and
when
you
come
up
here
each
and
every
one
of
us
out
votes
matter
so
I
think
it's
important
that
before
we
vote
on
anything
that
we
have
the
same
information
that
the
mayor
has
before
we
vote
on
it,
I
don't
appreciate
getting
the
information
here
and
not
having
enough
to
make
a
good
decision
I
know
and
to
vote
on
it.
So
that's
what
I'm
asking?
A
As
far
as
the
UCF
that
we
started
this
10
months
ago
and
not
or
when
Emily
brought
it
up
to
us
as
her
through
her
the
contract,
we
have
them.
So
it's
been
going
on.
I
had
one
meeting
eight
months
ago,
six
months
ago,
haven't
talked
to
him
since
so
I,
I'm,
I,
and
and
if
you
know
Pam,
maybe
we
should
have
given
you
that
information.
A
But
they're
still
no,
but
it's
there's
they're
still
getting
it
they're
gathering
information,
then
when
they
bring
us
back
to
us.
That's
when
we
have
okay
wow
this
this
you
know
this
will
give
us
something
to
look
forward
to
it's,
not
there's
no
actionable
item.
We
didn't
pay
anything,
there's
no
actionable
item
at
all.
So
it's
it's
a.
D
A
They
came
to
the
chamber.
Well,
it
just
came
to
chamber
and
we're
asking
a
couple
of
questions
about.
You
know
the
city,
the
the
population
size,
the
charter,
what
our
former
government
still
only
remember
all
the
questions
they
asked.
I
was
there
for
literally
five
minutes,
because
I
was
in
and
out
of
another
meeting.
D
AJ
D
D
V
D
AC
D
AD
AC
Not
see
that
to
be
able
to
even
approve
it
right,
anybody
can
do
that
kind
of
thing
and
we
might
not
know
that
they
were
doing
it.
Quite
honestly,
I
mean
you
think
about
how
many,
how
many
people
do
petitions
and
how
many
people
do
surveys
and
put
our
logo
on
things
we
don't
know.
Did
they
I
mean
they?
That's.
H
G
H
AC
H
And
there's
a
formal
table
with
a
formal
tablecloth
that
has
that
branding
on
it
and
a
whole
bunch
of
people
sitting
around
there
that
I
have
no
idea
who
they
are,
and
my
first
reaction
is:
what's
this
and
so
I've
got
people
that
I
was
sitting
next
to
go
over
and
inquire,
and
you.
D
To
let
us
know
give
us
some
information,
I
mean
I
was
really
surprised,
because
my
first
response
was
we're
not
doing
a
vision
plan
and
then,
when
I
went
back
there
and
spoke
to
the
group
very
nice
group,
they
gave
me
information.
Their
Professor
literally
called
me
at
home
and
wanted
to
share
what
the
program
was
about.
Why
the
project
started,
how
we
got
picked
when
the
the
timeline
is
for
the
it's
a
homework.
AC
D
F
F
That
we
that
we
can
probably
try
to
establish
some
type
of
administrative
guidelines
and
thresholds
on
what
information
is
such
that
is
delivered
to
you
or
some
information
that
sometimes
it's
either.
F
Just
you
know
informational
someone
comes
in
and
seeks
information
from
staff,
so
if
we
we
can
only
probably
all
get
together
and
set
up
the
informational
thresholds,
you
want
so
that
if,
if
something
reaches
this
threshold,
it's
an
automatic
at
a
minimum
you're
going
to
get
an
administrative
memorandum
to
all
five
of
you
and
with
the
with
an
update
or
it's
just
to
anything,
that's
in
the
planning
stages,
without
necessarily
I
mean
it's
we're
I,
think
we're
all
just
going
to
sit
down
together
and
try
to
establish
what
would
be
what
you
feel
are
the
proper
thresholds
of
what
what
reaches
that
level
for
you
guys
to
be
informed
of,
and
what
what
doesn't
so,
but
and
I
I.
F
D
D
We
are
so
interactive
with
our
community
because
it's
so
important
to
us-
and
we
probably
do
something
that
maybe
previous
commissions
didn't
do
so
a
lot
we've
developed,
we've,
developed
and
and
and
relationships
with
constituents.
He
may
have
a
whole
bunch
of
constituents.
That
probably
don't
call
me
but
may
call
him
the
same
with
Nick
Nester
and
of
course,
the
same
with
commissioner
Beck
I
mean
commissioner
Smith.
D
So
I
just
feel
that,
as
as
a
council,
if
we
all
knew
at
least
something's
going
over
by
the
south
side
of
Apopka,
sometimes
I
don't
get
to
know
that
there's
something's
going
on
until
I
see
commissioner
Smith
post
something
and
I
go
I
didn't
know
that
was
going
on
and
you
know
the
same
with
nest
with
commissioner
Nesta.
He
may
attend
some
events
that
they
knew
about,
and
that's
fine
but
I
just
think
some
things,
especially
something
like
this.
D
We
should
have
all
had
at
least
a
heads
up
to
say:
listen.
We
have
a
UCF
group
out
there
they're
going
out
they're
getting
data
they're
interviewing
people,
and
you
know
what
they're
going
to
show
up
at
public
places
and
they're
going
to
be
providing
a
flower,
a
flyer,
just
a
heads
up.
No,
it
would
have
given
us.
It
would
have
actually
given
them
a
greater
audience,
because
we
would
have
shared
this
with
within
our
Facebook.
Our
social
media.
F
And
that's
and
that's
fine
and
I'll
advise
Edward
of
such
because
it's
really
an
administrative
Administration
manner.
So
then
we
can
establish
certain
those
thresholds.
The
the
levels
of
information
I
mean
in
regards
to
this
project,
I
found
out
after
you,
because
I
found
out
about
it.
Reading
from
your
Facebook
page,
so.
D
Face
it
wasn't
a
negative
Facebook
and.
D
D
I
had
nothing
and
so
I
appreciated
that
their
Professor
did
Columbia
at
home
and
spent
time
with
me
on
the
phone
and
I
I
really
support
this
I
think
it's
wonderful
I
think
that
they're
going
to
come
back
with
probably
some
data
and-
and
you
know,
interviews
that
they've
had
and
certainly
the
if,
if
the
residents
are
participating,
painting
with
this
I,
think
that
would
be
good
for
us
to
have
that
information.
So
that
was
it!
D
That's
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
and
then
again
the
guided
report,
but
we'll
wait
until
the
next
meeting
when
I
guess
we
get
to
vote
on
it
as
a
final
report,
correct
we're.
F
You
don't
vote
on
this.
No,
that's
not
enough
we're
presenting
we're
presenting
the
findings
of
the
report
and,
if
anything,
my
understanding
is
that
the
fire
department
will
then
do
its
own
analysis
and
then
try
to
prepare
some
type
of
report
or
some
type
of
document
to
implement
the
findings
in
the
in
the
Gannon
report.
You.
F
AH
C
F
D
Okay,
I
thought
you
had
to
vote
to
accept
this
as
a
final,
no.
D
V
AN
V
C
V
Attorney
Rodriguez
just
one
thing,
and
we
just
we
discussed
this-
is
just
that
email
that
was
forwarded
out
to
Mrs
butcher.
All
right,
I
think
it's
proper
to
apologize
for
that
you
don't
have
to,
but
I
think
it
would.
She
deserves
that
with
the
email
that
was
sent
out.
F
I
will
apologize
if
my
statements
offended
her
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
that
I.
H
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
the
line
of
stuff
that
I
wanted
to
talk
this
evening,
but
we're
I
want
people
with
the
proper
wits
about
them.
When
I
present,
my
my
stuff
but
I
mean
You
could
argue
whether
the
appropriateness
of
an
email
or
not.
But
if
you
make
a
remark
like
that
and
send
it
back
out
to
the
general
public,
I
mean
there's,
there's
proper
decorum,
oh
well,
expand
expand
on
the
laugh
because
I
don't
know
how
to
interpret
your
laugh.
If
you
can
communicate
what
you
mean
come.
H
H
When
I
arrived
for
my
pre-staff
meeting
yesterday,
a
lot
of
people
in
the
room
in
the
administrative
conference
room,
that's
tied
to
the
attorney's
office,
the
attorney
was
there
and
respectfully
asked
that
he
have
10
minutes
of
my
time
to
which
I
agreed
we
went
into
his
office.
Meanwhile,
the
rest
of
that
staff
stayed
in
the
administrative
conference
room
and
we
had
a
dialogue.
I
won't
go
into
the
particulars
of
that
dialogue,
but
it
ended
at
us
yelling
at
each
other.
He
was
yelling
at
me.
I
was
yelling
at
him.
H
We
were
raising
our
voice
and
everybody
in
the
city
hall,
probably
on
the
first
floor,
heard
every
single
word
that
we
said,
but
that
was
a
private
meeting
and
people
heard
what
were
said.
It's
a
private
thing.
I
can
sit
here
and
and
hear
what
he
has
to
say
tonight.
I
can
talk
right
back
to
him,
because
that's
what
mature
adults
do
so
I,
don't
know
what
you
think
like
I
had
I
was
out
of
line.
I
am
totally
transparent
when
I
step
out
of
line
and
I
take
full
ownership.
H
I
told
him
earlier
tonight
when,
when
his
predecessor
Mr
bird,
put
a
fire
report
in
front
of
us
and
I
referenced
it
during
the
meeting,
and
he
admonished
me
during
that
meeting.
I
had
some
Choice
words
for
him
when
he
left
council
chambers-
and
it
was
inappropriate
and
I
apologize
to
him-
then
we're
human.
We
make
mistakes.
H
H
So
you
can
sit
there
and
laugh
about
what
conversation
that
we
have
behind
closed
doors
and
that
was
a
private
meeting.
I
won't
divulge
to
people.
What
was
said
during
that
meeting
that
I
can
say
what
the
spirit
of
it
was,
but
I'm
not
going
to
sit
there
and
transcribe.
It
now
did
I
lose
a
little
bit
of
respect
because
I
think
there's
a
lack
of
seniority
or
I'm
using
the
wrong
words
here,
but
insubordination
yeah
sure,
and
we
can
discuss
that
later,
but
holy
cow.
H
If
that's
your
damnation
on
me,
because
I
had
a
heated
argument
with
our
attorney,
give
me
a
break
and
we
should
certainly
shouldn't
be
sending
emails
back
and
I'll
I'll,
quote
paraphrase
or
whatever
in
that
email.
It's
a
I,
don't
think
that
I
have
to
deal
with
this
crap
that
shouldn't
be
sent
back
to
people
that
we're
dealing
with.
A
A
Right
a
couple
quick
things:
Legends
of
popca
great
event,
thank
you
to
Dr
Jackson,
the
Historical
Society,
for
helping
put
that
together,
especially
shout
out
to
Maribel
and
to
francina
Boykin,
for
putting
together
great
booklet
that
can
be
had
at
the
front
desk.
City
Hall.
It's
ten
dollars
for
the
28
leaders
of
Apopka.