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From YouTube: Community Meeting with Mayor Nelson September 30 2021
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On Thursday, September 30, 2021 from 6 PM to 8 PM at the Apopka Amphitheater (3710 Jason Dwelley Parkway), Mayor Nelson hosted a community meeting featuring Mr. Dennis Armstrong to discuss how Stoneybrook West was able to purchase their closed golf course and clubhouse.
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A
Bob
and
rob
thank
you.
First
of
all,
rit
department
gave
him
this.
On
monday.
We
had
an
opportunity
to
to
get
dennis
armstrong
here
tonight.
So
let
me
just
give
you
kind
of
get
you
set
up
for
the
you
know
the
presentation
or
or
some
of
the
comments
from
from
dennis
and
no
by
the
way
it
will
be.
It
will
be,
it's
not
live,
but
it
will
be.
A
It
will
be
available
on
the
website
city
website
next
couple
days
so
anyway,
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
reaching
out
trying
to
figure
out.
Obviously
we
have
two
golf
courses
that
that
are
now
abandoned,
errol
and
rock
springs
ridge,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
have
some
interest
in
you
know.
What
can
we
do?
A
But
I
want
you
all
to
understand
is
this
is
not
about
arrow.
This
is
not
about
rock
springs
ridge.
This
is
about
what
stony
brook
west
did.
If
you
can
glean
some
great
information
from
this
that's
great,
but
this
is
only
about
stony,
brook
west,
and
so
we're
not
talking
about
arrow
we're
not
talking
about
rock
springs
ridge.
B
Right,
thank
you.
So,
first
of
all,
let
me
say
thank
you
all
for
having
me
this
is
a
gorgeous
facility
beautiful
night.
I
I
really
love
this
breeze,
as
you
can
tell
by
my
boat
of
transportation.
Here
I
haven't
gotten
out
of
the
house
much
lately
in
the
last
couple
months,
so
it's
kind
of
nice
to
get
out
for
a
change.
You're,
all
probably
saying
who's,
this
dennis
armstrong
guy
and
you
know
the
mayor's
a
pretty
sharp,
pretty
sharp
dude.
B
What's
what's
he
doing
having
this
guy
come
up
here
to
talk
to
us
so
just
to
fill
in
the
blanks
a
little
bit
more,
I'm
a
licensed
real
estate
broker.
I
got
my
real
estate
license
back
in
1992,
primarily
specialized
in
commercial,
real
estate,
done
apartment
developments
and
lots
of
residential
developments,
strip,
centers
large
industrial
parcels.
B
B
B
B
Big
developments,
little
developments,
all
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
so
I've
kind
of
got
a
a
background
that
sort
of
prepared
me
for
for
this
opportunity,
I'm
going
to
call
it
so
I
I
put
together
a
chronology
of
all
of
the
the
steps
that
stony
brook
went
through
to
to
get
to
where
we
are
today
and
and
as
the
mayor
said,
we
were
we're
not
totally
where
we
want
to
be
yet,
but
but
we've
come
such
a
long
long
ways.
It's
just
unbelievable.
B
I
mean
we've
been
extremely
lucky,
but
you
know
there's
also
a
lot
of
people
that
have
spent
a
lot
of
a
lot,
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
and
sweat,
and
even
a
few
tears
to
to
get
us
to
to
where
we
are
today.
So
I
put
together
a
chronology
here
of
everything
we've
been
through,
believe
it
or
not,
it
took
up
four
pages.
I
I,
as
I
read
back
through
it.
It's
like
this
almost
sounds
like
a
outline
for
a
john
grissom
novel.
B
I
guess
that
I
would
say
that
I
kind
of
learned
throughout
this
process
and-
and
I
hope
I
can-
I
can
speak
with
you
a
little
bit
about
those
hopefully
they'll-
be
something
that
that
you'll
you'll
it'll
cause
you
to
think
I
mean
you
may
not
agree
with
me
on
all
of
them
and-
and
I
I'd
offer
this
disclaimer
right
up
front
here.
You
know
what
what
I'm
saying
is
my
opinion.
It's
not
mayor,
nelson's
opinion.
It's
certainly
not
the
city
of
apopka's
opinion.
B
C
B
On
the
stony
brook
debacle
here
in
december
18th,
I'm
sorry
december
of
2018,
the
the
stony
brook
west
golf
course
closed.
It
was
a
total
surprise
to
to
everyone.
I
mean
I've
talked
to
residents
in
the
community
that
actually
had
tea
time
scheduled
for
that
day
and
and
when
they
got
there
to
play,
the
the
door
was
locked
and
there
was
a
closed
sign
on
it.
B
So
the
the
owners
gave
no
no
notice
to
the
the
homeowners
association
or,
or
anybody
in
the
community
that
they
were
closing
the
the
golf
course
the
course
set
vacant
for
several
months
and
and
in
the
spring
of
2019,
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
miguel
vidal
purchased.
The
golf
course
the
the
family
that
owned
the
course
it
was
a
family
operation
that
actually
owns
multiple
golf
courses
in
the
in
the
in
the
central
florida
area.
They
they
held
a
mortgage
note.
B
B
Stony
brook
has
125
homes,
so
you
can
kind
of
do
the
math
this.
This
was
a
surprise,
of
course,
to
us
from
the
hoa
and
an
even
more
surprise,
because
our
governing
documents
specifically
said
that
the
the
hoa
could
not
have
any
ownership
of
the
the
golf
course
whatsoever,
or
have
any
way
of
providing
funds
to
to
support
the
golf
course.
So
it
was
pretty
clear
that
mr
vidal
had
not
done
much
in
the
way
of
due
diligence
before
he.
B
He
purchased
the
golf
course
in
the
summer
of
2019
again,
a
large
contingent
of
stony
brook
west
residents
went
to
and
attended
the
city
of
winter
garden
commission
meeting.
They
demanded
that
the
city
require
the
property
owner
to
to
maintain
the
the
property.
I
mean
at
that
up
to
that
point,
the
the
property
had
not
been
mowed.
The
the
trees
had
not
been
trimmed.
B
B
Opening
the
city
begins
initiating
code
enforcement
action
based
on
on
the
ordinance
they
had
passed
during
the
summer
and
quickly
begin
collecting
fines
in
the
winter
of
2020,
the
the
davis
family,
the
owner
of
the
golf
course
they
sold
the
mortgage
to
a
local
developer.
That
developer
made
a
presentation
to
the
homeowners
associations
and.
B
C
B
B
B
That
that
there
was
no
support
amongst
our
residents
for
luxury
apartments
later
on.
In
the
summer
of
2020,
the
the
developer
forecloses
on
the
mortgage
note
and
homeowners
association
paid
a
a
maintenance,
our
maintenance
company
to
to
maintain
all
the
perimeter
hedges
which
which
had
not
been
trimmed
in.
I
would
guess,
probably,
over
two
years
late
summer,
2020,
mr
vidal
files
for
bankruptcy.
The
ahoa
return
retains
a
bankruptcy
attorney
to
advise
us
on
on
issues
related
to
the
bankruptcy
fall
of
2020.
B
The
attorneys
for
all
of
the
creditors
and
and
everybody
involved
argue
on
which
venue
is
best
placed
to
to
decide
this
case.
The
mortgage
foreclosure
would
be
under
in
state
court.
The
bankruptcy
would
be
in
federal
court.
The
the
attorneys
eventually
agreed
to
litigate
in
federal
court.
The
developer
drops
his
mortgage
foreclosure
action
and
the
the
bankruptcy
case
is
assigned
to
a
judge
and
a
bankruptcy
trustee
is
appointed
later
on.
B
B
The
hoa
is
an
unsecured
creditor,
having
spent
the
money
to
to
have
the
hedges
trimmed,
but
but
this
is
really
a
huge
huge
huge
win
for
us,
because
this
was
the
first
time
in
the
whole
timeline
that
I've
spoken
before,
where
the,
where
the
homeowners
association
actually
had
a
seat
at
the
table
where
we
were
able
to
have
our
attorney
present
for
for
all
the
discussions
and
and
the
the
hoa
actually
had
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
make
their
position
on.
Some
of
these
issues
heard.
B
B
The
sixth
amendment
fails
to
receive
the
super-majority
vote,
two-thirds
of
the
residents
of
the
community
voting
by
by
ten
votes.
That
was
really
disheartening.
I
gotta
tell
you,
but
we
talked
to
several
people.
I
I
talked
to
mr
bolhoefer,
the
city
manager
of
winter
garden,
and
he
goes
well.
You
just
got
to
go
back
and
try
again
that
that's
that's
why
cities
have
second
reading
on
all
their
ordinances
because
they
don't
always
get
it
right.
C
D
B
C
B
B
B
B
Of
you
have
seen
an
election
with
a
94
approval
rate.
It
was,
it
was
amazing.
We
were
myself
all
of
our
board.
Members
were
were
we
were
astonished
and
we
were
ecstatic
at
the
same.
At
the
same
time,
this
time
the
city
submitted
an
offer
to
the
bankruptcy
trustee
to
purchase
the
property
for
for
two
million
dollars.
B
If
the
trustee
accepted
that
offer
the
city
would
drop
their
code
enforcement
lien
claim
and
if
the
trustee
would
would
cancel
the
auction.
As
I
said,
the
the
code
enforcement
lien
fines
had
had
accrued
to
almost
2
million
if
it
would
have
gone
on
for
another
month
or
so.
I
think
the
city
would
actually
have
been
the
the
largest
secured
creditor.
I
think
they
would
have
passed
the
mortgage
holder
late
spring
of
2021.
B
The
bankruptcy
judge
cancels
the
auction
and
awards
title
to
the
property
of
the
city
to
to
the
city
of
winter
garden.
This
was
a.
This
was
a
huge
nail
biter
this
the
judge.
I
would
hate
to
play
poker
with
this
lady,
because
up
to
the
last
minute,
I
don't
think
any
of
us
really
knew
what
what
she
was
was
going
to
do,
how
she
was
going
to
rule.
B
Beginning
of
the
summer
2021,
the
city
takes
title
to
the
golf
club
property
the
hoa
began
meeting
with,
I
use
the
word
entities
interested
in
refurbishing
and
the
operating
the
course
operating
the
golf
course
under
a
long
term.
Lease
scenario
before
it
was
all
over.
We
probably
showed
the
the
the
property
to
to
20
different
entities.
B
In
the
end,
we
ended
up
signing
a
letter
of
intent
with
kemper
sports
to
refurbish
and
operate
the
course
kemper
sports.
If
you
go
online,
is
one
of
the
largest
operators
of
golf
facilities
and
and
sports
facilities.
They
also
do
tennis
facilities
and
the
like
throughout
the
u.s,
I
think.
Currently
they
have
about
130
facilities
throughout
the
country,
so
that
kind
of
brings
us
up
to
today.
B
C
D
A
So,
okay
dennis
well!
Thank
you
well,
first
of
all
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
because
I
you
know
we
wanted
to
wait
till
everybody
got
here.
I
want
to
introduce
a
couple
got
a
couple
of
commissioners:
here's
commissioners
here
tonight
we
got
commissioner
diane
velasquez
and
her
husband,
ed.
We
have
commissioner
becker
as
well.
We
also
have
our
city
administrator
who
lives
in
one
of
these
communities.
A
Arrow
states,
edward
bass,
in
the
back,
I
also
thought
where's
isadora
dean,
so
former
commissioner
dean,
billy,
dean's
wife
isadora,
is
here
tonight
with
us
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
you
you
gave
me
some
information,
some
some
financials
with
the
venture
or
excuse
me
with
kemper
golf
group.
Can
you
kind
of
explain
those
and
then
then
we'll
open
up
for
questions?
A
B
B
That
actually
is
the
the
general
manager
of
a
of
a
golf
club
down
in
down
in
the
kissimmee
area.
So
so
we
were
very
fortunate
to
have
good
good
people
to
to
gather
information
from,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
early
on
was
we
formed
a
golf
committee
to
to
eva
to
advise
the
the
hoa
board
on
on
these
issues,
and-
and
these
folks
are,
are
members
of
that
golf
committee,
but
the
numbers
we
came
up
with
to
to
operate.
B
The
golf
course
at
a
reasonable
fashion
was
somewhere
between
a
million
and
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
a
year,
and
now
that's
just
for
maintenance.
That's
not
well
what
I
would
call,
because
I'm
in
the
hoa
business
they're
reserves,
I
mean
lawn
mowers,
don't
last
forever
roofs,
don't
last
forever.
B
Units
don't
last
forever,
just
just
the
same
as
your
home,
so
they
really
need
to
be
setting
aside
monies
to
to
to
pay
for
for
all
of
those
things
that
are
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
repaired.
The
other
problem,
that's
that
stony
brook
has
and
it's
the
same
problem.
It
sounds
like
that
both
of
your
golf
courses
have
is
these
courses
have
been
closed
so
so
to
to
go
out
and
refurbish
them.
B
We
heard
estimates
anywhere
from
one
to
three
million
dollars.
I'm
sorry,
one
to
four
million
dollars,
depending
on
the
the
condition
of
the
course
irrigation
system,
clubhouse
facilities.
All
of
that
now
now
clearly
those
numbers
reflect
the
the
type,
of
course
that
you're
gonna,
have
I
mean
probably
the
four
million
dollars
is,
is
the
augusta
national
and
probably
the
one
million
is,
is
something
way
less,
but
the
the
point
of
the
matter
is:
is
that
that
to
have
an
operator
come
in
and
and
and
spend
their
money
to
to
refurbish?
B
D
A
B
B
We
would
give
them
that
440
thousand
dollars
per
year
to
help
them
defray
the
the
cost
of
maintaining
the
property.
They
also,
then,
as
part
of
the
lease
they
they
will
pay
us
a
a
rental
rate.
It's
it's
a
kind
of
a
graduated
rate
as
they
as
they
make
money
the
amount
of
money
that
the
hoa
would
would
get
would
increase.
B
An
area
in
there
where
they
will
they
will
give
us
they
will
pay
money
into
an
account
to
be
used
for
for
capital
improvements,
of
which
the
hoa
will
have
the
opportunity
to
to
decide
and
what
those
improvements
might
be.
So
so
we
have
the
opera
again.
We
have
a
seat
at
the
table
on
on
some
of
these
decisions,
which,
which
seems
to
be
a
pretty.
C
A
Us
I
think,
if
that
we
can
open
up
for
questions
now.
Just
remember
this
was
questions
about
the
stony
brook
agreement,
not
about
errol
or
rock
springs
ridge.
So,
if
you've
got
any
questions
about
what
what
dennis
has
done
in
stony
brook
and
and
their
hoa
have
done
to
to
make
this
agreement,
we
think
will
will
happen.
We
were.
I
was
hoping
it's
going
to
be
the
day
the
day
that
it
it
happened.
But
anyway,
I
think
it's
it's
just.
You
know
some
dot
and
some
eyes
and
crossing
some
teeth.
A
A
E
B
So
the
answer
to
to
your
last
question
is
yes,
it
is,
it
is
a
homeowners
association,
it
is
an
assessment.
It's
added
on
to
their.
Our
assessments
are
paid
quarterly,
so
it
is
a
a
mandatory
assessment.
I
don't
know
if
you
live
in
an
hoa
or
not
I
mean
the
chances
of
getting
100
percent
of
people
to
vote
is.
Is.
D
D
E
B
B
B
It's
it's
our
plan
that
we
would
ask
that
that
that
individual,
be
it
the
president
or
the
president's
designee
that
that
that
individual
would
be
be
allowed
to
set
in
on
on
some
of
their
on
some
of
their
decision
making
as
a
landlord.
Of
course,
we
we
would
always
require
them
to
submit
their
financials
to
us
and
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
so
we
should
have
a
pretty
good
idea
of
of
how
they're
doing
and
what
their
what
their
plans
are.
D
My
concern
is
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
compare
apples
to
apples
oranges
to
oranges,
even
though
we
want
to
talk
about
arrow
and
we
want
to
talk,
I
don't
want
to
touch
it.
Okay,
I
don't
want
to
swallow
it.
No,
how
many
acres
are
we
talking
about?
Was
that
stony
brook
or
how
many
holes
of
golf
was
involved.
B
B
D
A
Come
on
up,
we
got
two
two
mikes,
listen,
we
you
got
a
guy,
that's
just
just
trying
to
complete
something,
and
I
know
that
folks
here
tonight
want
to
try
to
do
the
same
thing.
So,
let's,
if
you
got
a
question
about
how
stony
brook
did
it?
Let's-
and
this
is
your
chance
you're
only
going
to
get
one
shot
at
dennis
so
come
on
up.
B
F
B
B
B
F
Okay,
so
in
refurbishing
the
golf
courses
you
estimated
between
one
to
four
million
correct,
okay
and
the
reason
I'm
just
asking
these
particular
questions,
because
I
spoke
with
castleberry
golf
club
and
they
have
18
holes
there,
and
I
think
it
was
80
acres
and
their
operational
budget
between
1.1
and
1.2
million.
And
you
said
you
have
30
36
holes
and
I
spoke
with
went
apart
yesterday,
who
have
a
nine-hole
course.
They
refurbished
back
in
2016
for
1.2
million,
and
that
operational
budget
for
nine
holes
is
currently
around
about
900
000.
F
No,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
I
understood
this
what
he
was
saying,
but
because
we're
throwing
out
numbers
we
kind
of
I
want
to
compare,
like,
I
said,
apple
to
episode.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
you're
saying
correct,
but
at
this
point
in
time
you
guys
have
budget
for
1.5
roughly.
B
So
we
really
have
no
agreement
with
the
city.
The
city
was
adamant
from
day
one
that
they
had
no
interest
at
all
in
owning
that
or
operating
the
golf
course
as
a
long
long-term
entity,
but
but
they
were
willing
to
to
work
with
the
hoa
to
to
acquire
the
course
so
that
that
the
residents
would
would
be
able
to
to
control
their
own
destiny.
If
you
will,
as
far
as
what
happens
with
the
property.
F
B
B
F
But
I
haven't
finished
what
I'm
saying
the
city
of
apoca
adopting
the
ordinance,
though
in
essence,
giving
them
an
authority
to
pretty
much
assess
a
code
enforcement
against
the
golf
course.
It's
kind
of
the
first
step
of
action
to
even
get
in
some
of
the
situation
that
you
just
proposed.
Most
part.
B
As
I
said
in
the
beginning,
this
is
my
opinion:
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
what
the
city
wants
to
do
or
that,
but
to
me
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
first
step.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
way
to
protect
the
the
residents
and
and
the
fact
that
the
property
is
is
maintained
in
a
in
a
nice
manner.
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
it
a
lot
of
similarities
between
where
you
both
sit
and
where
we
sit
a
lot
of
time
to
pull
a
lot
of
different
loose
ends
together
and
it's
there's
american
attest
not
very
easy.
Some
of
the
time
I
have
a
couple
questions
hoa
dues:
if
can
you
describe
what
you
have
for
amenities
now
that
the
dues
would
cover
and
approximately
what
you
pay
per
household?
B
B
The
balance
of
that
is
for
the
the
rest
of
the
association
amenities.
We
have
an
area,
we
call
our
town
center.
It
has
a
multi-purpose
room
as
a
fitness
center.
We
have
a
pool,
an
olympic
sized
swimming
pool
with
a
splash
pad
area.
For
for
kids,
we
have
a
playground,
we
also
have
24-hour
manned
security.
B
B
G
D
D
G
B
D
B
B
B
A
B
So
you're
you're,
you're,
stealing
you're
stealing
one
of
my
questions,
but
but
let
me
answer
you
since
you
asked
it.
As
I
said,
we
did
some
extensive
surveys
of
our
residents
because
we
really
wanted
to
understand
what
what
the
people
wanted.
What
what
we
discovered
was
that
there
were
about
20
percent
of
the
residents
that
adamantly
wanted
golf.
They
didn't
care
what
it
cost,
what
they
had
to
give
didn't
matter.
They
wanted
golf
on
the
other
side.
We
had
about
20
percent
of
the
residents
that
wanted
nothing.
I
mean
they
didn't
want
golf.
B
They
didn't
want
a
homeowner's
association.
They
didn't
want
assessments,
they
didn't
want
anybody
telling
them
that
their
driveway
needed
pressure,
cleaned
or
their
bushes
needed
trimmed
the
other
about
60
percent
in
the
middle
we're
in
between
those
two
areas,
but
but
the
general
feeling
was
that
that
people
would
be
willing
to
pay
something
to
maintain
the
property
as
long
as
they
owned
the
property
and
that's
that's
a
key
key
key
component.
B
I
can
tell
you
that
that
clearly,
the
people
that
were
interested
in
building
bidding
were
all
land
developers
and
they
were
all
interested
in
in
development
opportunities,
even
though
the
city
managers,
as
I
said,
stood
up
there
and
say
you
know
we
as
the
governing
body
that
controls
this.
Don't
think
that
you
have
any
development
rights
on
this
property,
but
they
were
still
willing
to
spend
significant
amounts
of
money
to
to
acquire
the
property
in
hopes
that
that
that
they
could
get
some
sort
of
of
development
on
the
property.
B
B
C
C
B
We
can
kind
of
figure
out
a
way
where,
where
at
least
one
of
the
hoa
members
will
will
have
a
seat
at
the
table,
maybe
once
a
month
to
to
discuss
business
operations
and
and
whatever
so
kemper's
been
in
this
business
for
40
years
sure
you
know
I
I'll
be
honest.
I'll
be
honest
with
all
of
you.
I
I
never
ever
ever
expected
a
operator
of
their
magnitude
to
step
forward
and
and
have
an
interest
in
our
golf
course,
but
I'm
I'm
extremely
ecstatic
that
that
they
did.
G
B
So
in
the
lease
agreement
will
be
be
a
termination
clause.
I've
had
discussions
with
with
their
representative
on
performance
standards.
I
mean
to
me
clearly
the
the
ordinance
that
we
talked
about
before
that
that
talks
about
minimum
height
of
grass
mowing
and
all
that
would
be
the
minimum
requirement
again.
D
C
B
Kemp
kemper's
been
in
this
business
for
a
long
time,
far
be
it
for
me
to
tell
them
how
to
do
it.
I'm
sure
they've
they've
done
dozens
of
leases
like
this
over
the
years
and
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
they.
They
know
what
works
and
what
doesn't
sure.
So
I
I
think
that
in
the
end,
we'll
we'll
have
some
some.
I
know
in
the
end,
we'll
have
some
language
in
there
that
will
address
how
how
that
would
work
and
how
how
a
termination
could
be
could
be
affected
if
need
be.
C
B
B
I
had
proposed
in
our
latest
round
of
negotiation
that
there
be
some
language
in
there
that
that
the
hoa
could
would
have
first
right
to
purchase
all
of
the
maintenance
equipment
if,
if
they
wanted
to
do
that,
I
mean
if
down
the
road
the
hoa
kepper
wanted
to
leave
and
the
hoa
wanted
to
continue.
Maintaining
the
course.
You
know
it
would
seem
to
me
to
be
advantageous
for
them
to
be
able
to
to
purchase.
B
B
B
B
I
I
hate
I
hate
approving
the
check
every
month,
but
I'm
fully
convinced
that
we
wouldn't
be
where
we
are
today
without
having
the
high
caliber
people
that
we
had
representing
us.
You
know
you're
you're,
playing
in
the
big
leagues.
I
mean
these
these
these
developers
that
you're
you're
fighting
are
you
know
they.
C
B
A
B
D
A
B
The
fire
chief
they're
asking
people
to
leave
because
the
room
will
only
hold
85
people
and
there's
150
in
there
and
every
one
of
the
people
in
there
is
wearing
a
red
shirt
like
me,
and
a
few
of
them
are
carrying
signs
that
say
not
no,
but
hell.
No,
as
an
elected
official,
two
two
thoughts
come
to
mind
the
first
one
is:
this
is
going
to
be
a
long
meeting.
The
the
second
one
is
the
the
stresso
meter
in
your
head,
the
the
needle
kind
of
goes
off
off
the
dial.
B
So
don't
ever
any
of
you
don't
ever
let
anybody
tell
you
that
that
you
don't
have
power
because
you
you
live
in
this
community,
you
pay
your
taxes
and,
most
importantly,
you
vote
so
so
use
that
power,
it's
it's
you've
earned
it
sec.
The
second
lesson
learned
for
me
and
again,
a
lot
of
these
go
back
to
my
my
years
as
an
elected
official
support,
the
local
elected
officials
that
support
you
give
this
guy
here
a
hand
I
mean
he.
He
took
the
night
off
to
come
out
here
and
set
up
this
meeting.
B
B
Thank
you
for
doing
what
you
did
to
support
my
community.
We
we
appreciate
it
and
we
won't
forget
it.
This
is
one
that
one
of
my
homeowners
reminded
me
of
not
not
too
long
ago.
Just
just
last
week.
Actually,
the
city,
the
county's
money,
is
not
their
money.
It's
my
money!
It's
your
money!
I
paid
my
taxes
and
that's
where
the
money
came
from.
B
B
B
B
Can't
even
get
that
many
people
involved
to
try
and
make
decisions
and
and
put
people
on
the
board
that
that
can
can
get
things
done.
Do
surveys.
As
I
said
before,
we
we
did
a
bunch
of
surveys,
they're
they're,
indispensable,
on
finding
out
how
your
residents
feel
about
things,
hold
town
meetings,
question
and
answer
sessions
find
out
what
what
your
residents
really
want
get.
B
B
It's
imperative
that
that
you
do
that.
If
you
want
to
maintain
your
your
your
communities
as
viable
communities,
do
whatever
you
need
to
do
to
to
amend
your
governing
documents
so
that
the
homeowners
association
is
allowed
to
to
own
the
property
and
and
to
be
able
to
assess
residents
to
maintain
it
get
started
on
that
as
as
quickly
as
you
can.
Don't
don't
leave
that
to
the
last
minute.
B
What
is
the
develop?
A
developer's
definition
of
a
golf
course
golf
course
to
a
developer
is
green
space
that
has
had
enhancements
placed
on
it,
so
that
someone
else
can
pay
to
maintain
that
green
space.
It's
always
cheaper
to
develop
properties
at
higher
densities.
Higher
densities
have
the
greatest
return
for
a
developer.
B
That's
the
way
the
development
community
thinks
about
golf
courses.
They
they
don't
really
care
about
you
all,
as
homeowners
as
to
whether
you
like,
like
the
way
it
turns
out
their
their
goal,
is
to
to
get
as
much
density
on
a
property
as
they
can
possibly
get
the
higher
the
density,
the
greater
their
return
go
back
and
look
at
how
how
many
land
developers
actually
own
the
golf
courses
that
they
developed
in
communities
that
are
that
are
10,
15
20
years
old.
I
I
would
defy
you
to
find
one
they
they
only.
D
B
C
B
But
contrary
to
what
the
pga
says,
I
mean
I
don't
think
that
that
golf
is
as
big
as
it
used
to
be.
I
don't
believe
that
that
the
rates
that
people
used
to
play
to
pay
golf
or
anywhere
today
what
they
were
before,
so
it
gets
harder
and
harder
to
to
maintain
property
as
a
golf
course
and
to
keep
a
golf
course
to
be
a
finance,
a
viable
financial
operation.
B
C
B
A
A
So
if
anybody
has
you
know
that
wasn't
able
to
make
it
tonight,
have
them
go
to
the
website.
Apopka
city
website
and
they'll
be
able
to
pick
up
this
whole
conversation
that
dennis
armstrong
gave
us
tonight.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
out
thanks
for
the
great
questions
or
ask
and
have
a
great
evening.
Thank
you.