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From YouTube: Apopka Planning Commission Meeting August 10, 2021
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Apopka Planning Commission Meeting at City Hall on August 10, 2021 at 5:30 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: http://www.apopka.net/agenda
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A
A
A
A
Okay
motion
by
commissioner
lorendo:
is
there
a
second
second
by
commissioner
norwood?
We
have
a
most
in
the
second
any
discussion,
then
we'll
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say
no,
and
that
carries
unanimously
at
the
beginning
of
each
session.
We
have
a
public
comment
period.
If
you
have
comments
regarding
an
item
on
the
agenda,
it's
probably
more
appropriate
to
bring
them
up
at
that
time,
but
if
you
have
any
general
comments,
now's
the
time
to
make
them
in
seeing
none
we'll
proceed
with
the
agenda.
A
Our
first
item
is
an
amendment
to
ordinance
2780
the
rubric
planned
development.
The
owners
are
alterna
mortgage
fund,
llc,
cypress
business
park,
llc
and
american
land
apopka
industrial
llc
and
exeter
wesley
land
llc
applicant
is
polos
and
bennett
in
care
of
kathy
hattaway,
located
west
of
north
orange
blossom
trail
and
north
of
hogshead
road,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
chairman,
good
evening,
bobby
howe
planning
manager
on
august
19th
2020,
the
city
council
approved
a
planned
development
master
plan
for
a
six
lot.
Industrial
park
located
west
of
north
north
orange
blossom
trail
north
of
hogshead,
road
and
west
of
the
orlando
apopka
airport.
The
location
graphic
is
on
the
screen.
C
C
The
dark
green
is
the
area
to
be
added
to
the
pud,
which
is
being
requested
and
that's
75.08
acres
from
us
from
the
properties
to
the
south,
which
is
in
what's
called
the
avion
point
plan
development
and
the
lot
total
increase
from
six
lots
to
seven
watts
and
the
total
amount
of
square
footage
for
the
overall
buildings
will
be
from
four
million
five
hundred
thousand
to
five
million
five
hundred
thousand
square
feet.
C
The
pres
the
prospective
developer,
still
proposes
to
construct
an
industrial
park
consisting
of
a
mix
of
light
and
heavy
industrial
uses.
The
the
pd
master
plan
allows
up
to
five
million.
Five
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
industrial
uses,
with
the
prohibit
prohibition
of
specific
uses
that
are
deemed
to
be
incompatible
with
the
adjacent
airport
uses
and
those
uses
haven't
changed
from
the
original
pud.
Those
are
still
the
same
uses.
C
Master
plan
proposes
a
subdivision
consisting
of
seven
industrial
lots
on
424.34
acres,
with
lots
ranging
in
size
from
2.65
to
197.28.
Acres.
Access
to
the
site
is
still
proposed
by
a
wesley
road
orange
blossom
trail
and
by
an
access
easement,
that's
proposed
to
be
established
to
the
west
of
the
orlando
apopka
airport.
C
D
A
E
A
D
Mr
chairman,
I'll
recommend
approval
of
the
amendment
to
the
rubric
plan
development
pd,
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
F
A
Second
by
commissioner
guster,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
then
we'll
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say
no,
and
that
carries
unanimously.
A
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
a
special
exception
to
allow
a
tobacco
shop
in
the
mu-d
mixed-use
downtown
zoning
district
for
the
property
located
at
60
east
5th
street.
The
owner
is
kim
hye.
Young
applicants
are
now
on
global
inc
care
of
christopher
sagarian,
president
located
at
60
east
5th
street,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation
before
you
start
gene.
I
should
say,
since
this
is
a
a
quasi-judicial
item,
I
have
to
ask
if
anyone
in
the
audience
requests
affected
party
status
for
this
item
and
seeing
none.
A
G
The
property
is
located
within
a
multi-tenant
center
on
the
southwest
corner
of
park
avenue
and
fifth
street.
The
special
exception
request
is
for
tobacco
shop
and
based
on
the
land
development
code.
It
is
defined
as
an
establishment
primarily
engaged
in
selling
tobacco
and
tobacco-related
products
specifically
like
cigars.
G
The
drc
recommends
approval
of
the
request
to
approve
a
special
exception
to
allow
tobacco
shop
in
the
mud,
mixed-use
downtown
zoning
district
for
property
located
at
60
east
5th
street.
However,
staff
does
not
support
the
sales
of
vape
and
e-cigarette
products.
As
part
of
this
special
exception
planning
commission
has
the
authority
to
approve,
approve
with
conditions
or
deny
the
request.
Staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
G
A
G
Staff
recommends
that
you
put
a
condition
in
okay
to
exclude
vaping
and
e-cigarettes.
Okay.
J
J
Because
it
was
added
later,
the
a
vape
shop
is
a
is
a
special
exception
in
the
mud.
But
we
would
have
to
you'd
have
to
conduct,
then
a
separate
finding
and
a
separate
analysis
to
determine
whether
the
vape
shop
meets
the
standards
for
a
special
exception.
K
My
name
is
chris
sagarian,
I'm
one
of
the
principals
of
nerium
global.
K
This
entire
project
started
out
several
months
ago
and
it
was
always
billed
as
a
smoke
shop
which
you
know
when
I
was
younger.
I
used
to
want
my
dad
to
buy
cigars
and
you'd,
see
a
big
store
full
of
boxes
of
cigars,
and
that
was
it
and
maybe
some
cut
tobacco
for
pipe
smokers.
Well,
obviously,
things
have
changed,
I'm
not
a
smoker,
never
have
been,
but
there
are
different
ancillary
products
now
that
go
along
with
the
industry
that
people
expect
to
find
when
they
walk
into
a
smoke
shop.
K
Now
we
don't
expect
anybody
in
the
on
the
property
smoking.
It's
not
meant
to
be
a
hookah
lounge
or
a
vape
lounge
or
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
It's
just
meant
to
provide
the
product
lines
that
people
seek
out
and
and
want
to
purchase.
K
So
when
I
originally
went
up
to
the
building
department-
and
first
I
do
have
to
complement
the
entire
city
staff,
because
I
had
such
a
great
experience
with
everybody
that
I
worked
with
on
staff
upstairs
right
from
the
very
beginning,
looking
at
just
the
empty
space
and
getting
recommendations
on
how
we
should
proceed
and
stuff
and
when
all
the
plans
were
drawn
and
submitted,
they
were
all
approved.
K
K
But
there
are
things
like
tanks,
batteries,
coils
things
like
that
that
people
expect
to
be
able
to
walk
into
a
shop
and
buy.
K
In
addition,
we
have
a
line
of
cigars,
a
line
of
ancillary
products
that
the
kids
nowadays
use
for
smoking
this
that
and
the
other.
I
guess,
there's
cbd,
that
we're
going
to
be.
You
know,
selling
in
there
and
it's
a
it's
an
all
circle.
I'd
invite
any
of
you
to
come
in
and
see
the
shop.
We
spent
a
ton
of
money
in
there.
It's
gorgeous.
K
K
K
We
were
granted
some
money
to
renovate
like
air
conditioning
and
also
for
the
front
of
the
building
which
were
in
the
process
of
you
know.
K
At
the
very
end
they
said,
okay,
go,
get
jim
pay
for
your
business
license
and
that's
when
all
of
this
came
up,
which
happened
to
be
just
about
two
and
a
half
weeks
ago,
when
we're
ready
to
open
the
store
and
I'm
not
looking
to
pull
the
wool
over
anyone's
eyes,
I'm
being
totally
honest
with
what
a
smoke
shop
is
in
today's
definition-
and
I
just
like
to
be
allowed,
you
know
we,
we
invested
a
lot
of
our
personal
money
into
this
we'd
like
to
be
allowed
to
sell.
K
You
know
the
products
that
people
expect
to
find
in
there
and
again
there
will
be
no
smoking
on
premises
within
the
building
at
all,
because
that
was
something
that
scott
and
I
talked
about
way
from
the
beginning
that
we
didn't
want.
You
know
any
drinking
in
there,
any
smoking
any
hookah
lounges
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
It's
strictly
a
convenience
where
people
can
pick
up
what
they
need
and
leave
the
store.
K
So
unless
there's
some
questions
from
any
of
you.
K
That's
that's
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
when
I
filled
that
out.
In
fact
it's
in
the
car
I
could
grab
it.
I
filled
it
out
as
smoke
shop.
It
doesn't
say
tobacco
shop
on
my
application.
It
didn't
say
it
on
my
building
plans.
It
did
that
were
approved.
It
didn't
say
it
on
any
of
the
paperwork,
including
the
temporary
co
that
we
got
a
couple
weeks
back
when
we
needed
to
have
the
security
system
installed.
K
It
always
said
smoke
shop
and
the
name
of
this.
The
store
is
the
smoke
exchange.
K
So
I
I
don't
quite
know
yes,
there's
going
to
be
a
great
selection
of
cigars
and
cut
tobaccos
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I
would
be
not
forthcoming
if
I
didn't
say
that
you
know
our
plan
was
too
now.
If
I
walk
away
from
here-
and
I
I
can't
do
that
or
we
have
to
come
back
and
reconvene
to
have
a
small
portion.
I
I
calculated
with
my
partners
today.
Less
than
eight
percent
is
the
actual
vaping
liquids
and
stuff
like
that.
K
Six
percent
are
ancillary
products
like
batteries
and
coils
tanks,
and
again
I'm
not
a
smoker.
So
I
don't
know
all
this
stuff
to
the
best
and
then
the
other
five
percent
is
novelty
gifts,
which
is
less
than
19
of
the
business
that
we
plan
to
do
there.
K
It's
a
large
space,
it's
2400
square
feet,
so
it
needs
to
have
a
good
selection
of
everything
that
that
people
will
expect,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
fantastic
addition
and
again
invite
any
of
you
to
come
see
what
we've
done
in
there.
It's
absolutely
beautiful,
and
not
just
because
we
did
it
it's
it's
a
beautiful
spot.
K
D
K
K
And
again
I
apologize
to
all
of
you
for
that,
because
it
was
probably
my
oversight,
not
the
detail,
and
I
detailed
it
in
the
lease
and
you
know
all
the
different
products
in
the
lease
line,
because
you
know
there's
competition
and
stuff
amongst
other
tenants.
Maybe,
but
I
did
not
go
into
detail
on
the
application
and
again
that
there
was
just
a
it,
wasn't
an
intentional
oversight.
It
was
just
an
oversight.
K
I
really
thought
that
this
occupational
license
or
business
license
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
zoning
at
all.
I
thought
it
was
just
you
know
your
license
to
okay,
you
can
open
the
door
now.
You
know
along
with
your
certificate
of
occupancy,
and
I
I
it
just
never
connected
and
everybody.
K
I
think
at
one
point
or
the
other
said
something
about
it,
but
it
just
never
clicked
that
it
was
this
important
and
that
we
would
be
at
you
know,
day
zero
here,
ready
to
open
the
store
and
now
have
a
zoning
issue.
So
jen
was
great.
K
She,
they
helped
us
out
last
two
weeks
ago,
filling
out
all
the
paperwork,
getting
the
notices
out
to
everybody
and
we
got
our
signs
up
and
you
know,
like
I
said,
staff
all
the
way
around
has
been
fantastic
and
and
in
what
I
maybe
mistook
as
complete
support,
because
all
of
them
at
one
point
from
the
fire
marshal
brian
to
scott,
to
john
they've,
all
been
in
there
and
they've
all
seen
what
we're
doing
and
and
what's
going
on
and
not
at
one
point
did
anybody
say
to
us?
K
Oh
wait,
a
minute
you're
not
going
to
be
doing
this.
This
or
this
are
you,
you
know
it
was
I
I
guess
it
was.
I
don't
know,
maybe
just
an
under
a
misunderstanding
or
an
understanding.
You
know,
but
I
think
you
all
be
very
proud
of
what
we're
doing
in
there,
and
I
I
just
ask
your
indulgence
in
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
fit
in
with
our
other
co-tenants.
The
lady
that
owns
the
plaza
is
doing
a
really
good
job
at
bringing
good
people
in
there
now,
and
we
have.
K
K
You
know.
I
think
that
the
mix
is
just
an
incredible
thing
for
for
our
city
and
for
that
area,
especially
over
there,
as
we
move,
you
know
to
the
south
side
of
main
street.
I
K
I
don't
know
that
they
ever
included
not
to
improve
it,
but
the
first
that
I
heard
about
it
today
was
I
got
a
little
email
this
morning
from
sanchez
here
and
she
had
said
in
there
that
somebody
had
brought
up
and
she
didn't
name
who
somebody
had
brought
up
this
question
about
the
vape
products.
You
know-
and
this
was
the
first
that
I
actually
heard
about
the
vape
other
than
you
know,
calling
it
a
smoke
shop
and
knowing,
in
my
mind,
in
most
people's
minds,
that
these
smoke
shops
include
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
L
L
J
J
The
subsequent
other
definition
is
then
a
vape
hookah
lounge
and
a
vape
hookah
lounge
is
defined
as
an
establishment
primarily
used
for
social
consumption
of
tobacco,
tobacco
related
or
tobacco
substitute
products
through
vape,
e-cigarette,
hookah
or
other
similar
devices.
So
we
probably
have
here
is
is
something
that
fell
through
the
cracks
in
that
the
consumption
includes
electronic.
J
However,
the
sale
did
not
include
electronics
and,
as
you
know,
zoning
codes
are
codes
of
of
exception.
If
it's
not
listed,
it
is
not
permitted.
So
what
we
have
is
in
the
definition
of
our
retail,
only
mentions
tobacco
and
tobacco
related,
while
the
service
or
use
mentions
tobacco
tobacco-related
and
tobacco
substitute.
So
it's
a
question
of
having
to
go
back
and
re-examine
the
land
development
code
to
redefine
or
amend
the
definition
of
a
tobacco
shop
to
include
tobacco
substitute.
J
However,
as
is
defined
currently
in
the
code
that
that
is
not
included
as
a
product
within
tobacco
shop
within
such
a
definition
so
that
I
go
by
what's
worded
in
the
code
and
therefore
that's
why
it
was
not
for
the
retail
sale
of
it
is
not
included
in
a
tobacco
shop.
Therefore,
we
have
to
determine
that
it's
not
a
permitted
use
if
it's
not
explicitly
listed
as
a
permitted
use.
A
B
B
And
then
there's
you
mentioned
the
cannabis,
oil,
the
cbd,
and
it's
like
you
know
we're
going
down
a
slope.
I
don't
want
to
go
down.
I
want
you
know
if
this
says
that
it's
for
tobacco
to
me,
tobacco
is
something
that
you
would
either
have
with
a
cigarette
or
a
pipe
so
loose,
or
you
know
something
of
that
nature,
and
I
don't
want
this
to
be
so
loose
that
it
can
open
up
to
any
definition.
You
want
to
make
it
and.
K
I
myself
agree
with
you
there.
You
know,
that's
why
it
was
really
really
hard
to
define.
You
know,
and
I
just
went
by
every
smoke
shop
that
that
I've
seen
and
that
we
researched
and
we
went
into
and
you'll
see
everything
from
little
white
owl
cigars
in
there
to
glassware
to
zippo
lighters
to
99
thick
lighters.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
fall
under
that
category
and
in
fact
the
department
of
agriculture
now
oversees
the
the
cbd
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
I.
I
K
With
her,
they
have
set
up
an
inspection
for
next
monday.
If
you
have
certain
amount
of
space
in
your
store
that
sells
more
than
I
think
10
square
feet,
then
the
department
of
agriculture
comes
in
in
the
health
department
and
you
have
to
meet
certain
standards
for
those.
So
all
of
these
things
that
I
did
along
the
way
just
seemed
like
they
all
came
together.
You
know
the
license
from
the
state
of
florida
for
alcohol,
tobacco
and
firearms.
K
Though
people
nowadays
it's
getting
to
be
a
50
50
deal
where
people
are
selling
smoking
more
of
the
liquid
nicotine,
because
there's
no
chemicals
in
it
as.
J
Well,
to
cancel
this
commission
because
the
language
is
as
it
is
in
the
land
development
code,
you
can
recommend
the
approval
of
the
tobacco
shop
with
the
restriction
that
it
cannot
include
tobacco
substitute
products,
because
it's
not
list
as
permitted
use.
You
can
also
recommend
to
the
council
to
direct
staff
to
perhaps
re-examine
the
land
development
code
and
to
amend
the
definition
of
a
tobacco
shop
to
take
into
consideration
current
modern
amenities,
such
as
tobacco
substitutes,
electronic
cigarettes
and
other
other
forms
of
those
new
things
in
order
to
update
the
land
development
code.
J
Instead
of
this
board,
if
they
want
to
determine
whether
an
electronic
cigarette
falls
within
something
that
is
tobacco
related,
it's
not.
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
a
stretch
if
we
have
to
go
through
definitions.
Most
of
these
electronic
cigarettes
are
not
really
related
to
you're
talking
about
water
vapor
infused
with
nicotine
and
therefore
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
a
direct
relationship
with
with
tobacco.
As
for
this
port
to
decide,
but
the
probably
the
the
easiest
resolution
would
be
proceed
forward,
with
a
condition
that
you
cannot
sell
the
tobacco-related
product.
A
J
If
the
code
is
amended,
then
he
can
come
back
and
well
actually,
if
the
uses
the
change
is
defined.
If
the
definition
is
changed
to
now
include
those
products,
he
would
have
a
special
exception.
To
that
I
mean
yes,
the
option
is
we
staff
would
consider
whether
he
can
then
come
in
and
add
it
since
the
definition
is
not
contemplated
or
whether
it
requires
another
special
exception,
so
that
the
council
and
the
city
can
examine
any
of
the
impacts
as
such.
J
But
if
staff
in
amending
it
has
come
to
contemplate
that
this
is
a
new
use
and
then
any
impact's
going
to
be
involved
in
the
original
use
he
may
be
able
to
then
come
in
and
expand
it
because
the
use,
the
definition
has
changed.
This
isn't
a
question
of
a
non-conforming
use,
but
that
the
definition
has
been
expanded.
H
Code
to
be
more
definitive
or
to
merge
a
tobacco
shop
in
a
beta
shop
because
of
the
current
thing.
Well,
the
land
development
code.
I
mean
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
we've
recently
reviewed
the
entire
land
development
good
and
the
mixed
use
district
had
very
specific
guidelines
because
of
the
vision
of
what
we
wanted
down
now.
H
What
we
do
and
do
not
want-
and
now
in
this
certain
circumstance,
okay,
we're
making
the
exception
for
a
tobacco
shop
and
now,
over
and
above
that,
we're
making
exceptional
tobacco
shop
and
then
we're
going
well
we're
going
to
put
an
asterisk
in
here
and
have
them
review
the
land
development
though.
Well,
you
know,
the
mixed
use
district
was
designed
and
unless
there's
some
glaring
reason
why
I
don't
see
any
compelling
reason
to
go
and
change
our
definitions
to
fit
this.
J
Circumstance
right
now
to
not
not
to
to
one
of
the
the
issues
involved
in
his
is
raised
is
that
the
mixed
use
district
does
permit
a
vape
and
hookah
lounge,
so
it
permits
the
consumption
on
premises,
but
because
of
the
way
that
the
language
is
written,
it
does
not
permit
the
sale
on
premises,
the
sale
without
consumption
on
premises.
However,
the
consumption
on
premises
is
permitted
under
the
code
as.
J
So
that's
that's
where
we
have
the
I
mean
we
have
now
presented.
J
The
sale
without
consumption
is
not
permitted.
The
sale
with
consumption
on
premises
is
permitted,
so
this
comes
along
the
lines
we've
we've.
The
staff
has
already
presented
at
least
two
glitch
bills
in
in
cleaning
up
and
clarifying
the
land
development
code.
Whether
this
commission
believes
is
this
something
that
should
be
considered
by
staff
as
another
glitch,
whereas
in
the
in
the
zoning
district
the
sale
is
not
permitted.
J
It's
not
enumerated,
it's
probably
best
to
say
it's
not
enumerated.
Therefore,
it's
to
be
deemed
not
permitted,
but
the
consumption
is
permitted.
Both
have
special
exceptions,
so
you
have
to
undergo
the
special
exception
analysis
for
consumption,
so
you
can
have
a
cigar
bar
and
a
hookah
lounge.
Those
would
be
for
those
are
special
exceptions,
but
you
cannot
have
the
because
the
definition
of
a
tobacco
shop
does
not
include
tobacco
substitute
products.
You
would
then
you
it
carries
to
its
logical
extension.
You
can't
sell
them.
You
can't
sell
them
to
consume
them
at
home.
J
H
The
thing
that
I
question
is
if,
and
you
have
stated,
that
you
had
the
fire
chief
and
the
mayor
and
all
these
people
there
nobody's
saying
well:
they're,
not
gonna,
you
don't
have
the
shell
stock
number
one,
so
they
wouldn't
know
that,
and
I
find
that
so
during
the
whole
process,
staff
was
never
aware
that
it
was
going
to
be
anything
other
than
a
tobacco
shop
and
again
tobacco
shop
using
that
day
term
and
saying
well
that
covers
everything.
H
You
know
the
tobacco
shock
in
my
mind
and
probably
in
staff's
mind
and
when
it
was
written,
is
a
tobacco
shop.
A
vape
shop
is
a
whole
separate
animal.
The
other
contention
I
have
you
said
well.
The
percentage
sale
is
going
to
be
this
this
this
and
this
well,
maybe
shelf
space
you're
going
to
put
that
much
in
there,
but
you're
talking
about
tubes
and
tanks,
long
or
whatever,
cbd
oil
that
well,
you
know
pretty
much
when
you
open
the
establishment.
H
It's
the
amount
of
percentage
of
sales
is
going
to
vary
based
on
what
the
market
demands.
So
if
you
only
have
10
of
the
people
who
want
cigars
and
90
percent
want
that,
then
it's
going
to
be
different.
So
I'm
I
don't
see
a
compelling
reason
to
make
an
exception
even
for
the
tobacco
nothing's
been
presented.
H
That
shows
that
we
need
to
change
what
the
code
is,
and
that's
not
the
question
on
the
code
that
the
code
is
incorrect
and
having
to
have
an
exception
for
a
tobacco
establishment
and,
moreover,
not
absolutely
not
for
a
bank
shop
or
selling
cbd.
Well,
that's
not
that
area
in
my
mind,
in
my
understanding
where
that's
not
the
clientele,
we
want.
That's
not
what
that's
supposed
to
be,
and
so
I'm
not
comfortable
with
that
at
all.
K
K
Laid
out
the
plans,
the
drawings,
everything
were
all
approved
as
a
smoke
shop
and
but
you're
you're,
absolutely
correct
that
you
know
we
didn't
do
this.
H
I'm
trying
to
come
to
us
that
they
should
have
clarified
this
ahead
of
time,
and
my
my
contention
is
that
you
should
have
had
that
clarified
yourself
ahead
of
time.
The
code
is
written
and
very
easy
to
read
it's
available
online.
I
just
I'm
not
it's
like
a
last
minute,
oh
by
the
way,
we're
going
to
do
this
too.
K
No,
that's
not
the
case.
That
was
not
the
case
at
all,
and
it
wasn't
a
last
minute.
It
was
always
that
way
from
the
very
very
beginning-
and
you
know
the
the
if
there
was
any
misunderstanding
it
was
in
the
fact
that
that
business
license
was
actually
zoning
approval.
That's
where
the
mistake
happened.
It
wasn't
had
nothing
to
do
with
with
us.
Trying
to
you
know,
add
things
in
as
we're
going
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
K
It
was
always
meant
to
be
a
full-fledged
smoke
shop
and
with
all
the
ancillary
products
that
go
with
it.
K
Yeah,
you
know
you
guys
are
the
experts
on
all
this.
I
don't
know
where
to
go
from
here
other
than
I
know
that
our
store
is
ready
to
open.
K
As
of
last
monday,
when
we
sent
out
all
these
notices
to
everybody,
the
prop
adjoining
property
owners
and
everything
at
that
point
it
was
still
a
smoke
shop,
it
wasn't
a
tobacco,
you
know
tobacco,
yes,
but
it
was
a
smoke
shop
and
I
was
was
told
that
I
had
the
support
of
of
staff
and
I've
talked
to
many
of
the
staff
members
and-
and
you
know
they
they
did
support
us
and
do
support
us.
I
believe
all
of
them.
You
know.
H
So
the
verbiage
saves
tobacco
shock.
There's
nothing
else
in
any
of
the
documents
that
we've
got
and
again
I
don't
believe
that
it
says
oil
tanks,
bombs
or
whatever
that
is
and
and
vaping
products
and
then
the
application.
H
So
if
staff
wasn't
aware
they
couldn't
it's
not
again
becoming
upon
them
to
go
by
the
way
you
can't
do
this
there,
that's
incumbent
upon
you
and
I'm
just
not
comfortable
with
the
reason
it
was
put
into
the
area,
and
that
was
restricted
is
because
it's
not
desirable
for
what
the
city
is
trying
to
do
in
that
area.
So
I
still
don't
see
a
compelling
reason
to
not
only
give
the
exception
on
that
and
then
ask
staff
to
go
back
and
well.
K
K
I
don't
understand,
because
if
you
can
smoke
it
on
the
property
and
you
can
set
up
chairs
and
tables
and
people
can
sit
in
there
and
smoke
until
their
eyeballs
are
clouded,
then
I
don't
understand
the
difference
between
that
and
letting
them
buy
something
and
go
home
with
it.
I
B
J
So,
therefore,
the
use,
as
would
be
permitted,
would
be
for
the
sale
of
tobacco
and
tobacco-related
products
as
the
way
the
land
development
code
is
drafted.
That
would
be
what
you
would
examine.
So
at
that
point
any
recommendation,
as
part
of
the
special
exception
will
include
that
the
sale
of
tobacco
substitute
products
is
not
permitted.
J
Well,
no,
because
the
the
it
it
would
require
changing
the
definition
of
tobacco
shop
to
include
tobacco
substitute
products
right,
so
it
the
code
specifically
differentiates
between
retail
establishments,
and,
I
think,
probably
the
best
way
to
call
them
is
the
social
establishments.
So
a
cigar,
a
tobacco
shop
is
limited
to
tobacco
and
tobacco-related
products.
However,.
J
Bar
or
a
hookah
lounge,
because
the
intent
is,
while
primarily
you
have
a
cigar
bar,
the
cigar
bar,
would
would
normally
also
entail
permitted
sale
of
I
mean
I've
just
from
my
own
personal
experience,
and
when
I
was
in
private
practice,
I
mean
I
did
represent
a
cigar
shop
owner
who
actually
opened
it
as
a
cigar
bar
and
sought
a
beer
and
wine
license,
so
that,
therefore
it
was
a
it's
a
social
gathering,
location
where
it's
you.
You
have
you're
in
you're,
consuming
tobacco
products
and
or
tobacco
substitute
products,
but
also
consuming.
J
You
can,
in
theory,
consume
beverages
as
well.
So
there's
a
difference
between
just
a
retail
establishment
and
a
social
gathering,
establishment.
J
K
A
A
I
L
J
A
G
G
Crossroads
429
industrial
park,
major
development
plan
proposes
the
development
of
an
industrial
park
with
two
buildings:
building
a
la
building
100
and
building
200,
including
vehicle
and
trailer
parking,
and
approximately
50
acres
building.
100
comprises
of
88
882
square
feet
of
warehouse,
storage
area
and
9876
square
feet
of
office
area
building
200
consists
of
163
511
square
feet
of
warehouse,
storage
area
and
18
168
square
feet
of
office
area.
While
the
required
parking
for
building
155
spaces,
the
applicant
is
proposing
64
parking
spaces
with
four
accessible
accessible
spaces.
G
G
G
The
applicant
proposes
live
oaks,
winged,
elms,
bald,
cypress,
trees,
scrape
myrtles
and
save
all
palms
within
within
the
development
the
drc
recommends
approval.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
crossroads
429
industrial
park,
major
development
plan
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
M
A
N
John
williams
associates
yes,
king
street
right
now,
as
well
as
peterson
are
not
quite
full
with
aisles
right.
So
what
we're
going
to
do?
What
we've
worked
out
with
the
city
and
cameras
with
transportation,
we're
going
to
make
them
put
both
two
full
11
foot
lanes
and
then
they'll
have
a
two-foot
shoulder
on
each
side,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
up
to
west
orange
and
it'll
come
along
peterson
too,
so,
basically
in
you
know,
would
be
overlaid
and
more
or
less
brand
new
roads.
N
Now
that's
going
to
be
forthcoming
because
there's
an
agreement
with
the
money
that
we
generate
for
this
project
and
then
the
koch
property
to
the
south
right
they
have
traffic
assessment
money,
that's
being
kicked
in
in
the
city
is
going
to
be
a
third
party.
There's
a
legal
agreement
being
worked
out
to
who.
M
F
Okay,
correct
correct
their
main
entrance
for
the
truck
school
is
off
of
orange
avenue
right
I
understand,
and
then
this
one
does
have
a
back
entrance
on
the
side
of
the
building.
For
these
there's
two
buildings
and
the
side
of
it,
which
does
not
have
entrances,
is
going
to
face
king
street.
That's
what's
going
to.
F
Peterson,
primarily
that's
the
primary
entrance.
The
building
setback
is
also
41
feet
from
their
property
line.
Okay,
so,
and
that
includes
there,
there's
a
landscape
buffer.
I
think
it's
10
feet
is
the
landscape
buffer
and
then
there's
also
a
driveway
or
a.
I
I
F
Yeah
this
is
this
is
where
it's
41
feet
from
here
to
the
property
line.
So
they've
got
an
entrance
here,
but
the
main
entrance
is
coming
off
of
off
of
peterson
here
and
here
and
also
here
and
then
they're
also
going
to
be
doing
a
sidewalk
going
along
the
north
side
of
peterson
coming
up
to
this
side
and
then
that'll
connect
in
with
the
sidewalk
here.
M
Right
well
there
because
there's
there's.
N
M
E
F
F
Gotten
sent
to
the
hoa.
F
F
N
N
Short
distance
not
going
to
actually
have
to
there,
you
go
right
on
dead
end
right
there,
so
we're
gonna,
that's
gonna
get
fixed
up.
So,
like
mr
hitch
was
saying
primarily
we
got
three
entrances
along
peterson
and
there's
one
long
cave
and
then
it's
about
about
two
miles
up
to
west
orange
or
a
mile
or.
I
A
I
O
O
It's
like
henniger
drive,
it's
a
it's,
basically
a
disaster.
If
you
sit
out
there
at
any
time
the
people
going
on
binyan
and
orange
avenue
they
look
around
if
they
don't
see
anybody
they
blow
through
there.
I
don't
know
how
many
times
there's
almost
been
an
accident.
It's
really
hard
for
us
to
get
out
of
our
subdivision.
O
If
they're
going
to
do
this,
which
I
don't
have
a
problem
with,
but
I
want
to,
for
I
want
a
stoplight
at
our
corner
so
that
we
can
get
out
safely
without
risking
our
lives
like
we're
doing
right
now
I
mean
it's
crazy
and
I
mean
if
any
kids
cross
the
road
god
forbid
I
hold
my
breath.
I
mean
the
school
bus
was
hit
the
one
time.
O
It's
it's
nuts
and
I
you
know
that's
my
biggest
concern
is
safety.
You
know
you
want
to
do
all
these
things.
I
think
it's
great,
but
we
need
to
put
in
the
stoplights
so
that
we
get
because
the
traffic
flow
has
increased.
We've
been
here
since
2009
and
in
that
time,
that
traffic
has
increased
over
tenfold
with
all
the
subdivisions
that
they
have
along
binion
road
and
everything
else,
and
the
people
coming
and
going
in
the
new
access
to
the
429.
O
You
have
a
lot
of
traffic
that
flies
in
the
morning.
I
walk
in
the
morning.
So
that's
when
I
see
the
people
that
don't
stop
and
that
just
fly
through
the
speed,
limit's
40
miles
an
hour.
I
bet
you,
maybe
two
cars
do
40
miles
an
hour.
The
rest
are
flying
like
it's
an
expressway,
and
so
that's
where
my
concern
comes
in
for
the
homeowners
that
are
living
there.
You
know
we
want
to
feel
safe
too,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
subdivision
not
worry
about.
F
I've
done
that
before
we
can.
Actually
we
can
let
our
transportation
coordinator,
pam
richmond,
know
your
concerns.
O
O
F
M
M
A
B
Mr
chairman,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
I'm
familiar
with
this
area
because
I'm
on
the
other
side
of
the
trail,
coming
on
to
the
trail
from
the
back
side
of
arrow,
so
I
come
on
the
boy
scout
side,
boy
scout
to
the
trail
and
then
across
and
if
I'm
going
out
to
lake
heineker
or
whatever
minion
road,
then
I
go
across
to
lakeview,
which
goes
around
the
corner
over
the
railroad
tracks
and
disappears
to
that.
Four-Way
stop
sign
that
traffic
is
a
nightmare.
B
The
only
time
I
have
good
experiences
is
is
on
the
weekends
when
the
track,
when
the
traffic
light
is
on
a
demand
status
rather
than
waiting
the
traffic
backs
up,
I
counted
the
other
day.
I
went
and
I
said
all
right
how
many
cars
are
going
to
pile
up
today
I
lost
count
going
around
the
bend.
I
had
already
counted
12
cars
waiting
for
that
light
to
change
and
the
big
rigs
they
just
go
over
the
sidewalk.
F
B
But
it's
it's
really
a
problem
and
the
safety
of
the
people
who
live
there
to
me
is
paramount,
and
so
I
I
would
go
on
record
as
saying
something
has
to
be
done
on
their
end.
To
perhaps
make
sure
people
understand
they're
supposed
to
stop
at
that
four-way
stop
yeah.
F
Lake
lakeview
is
a
it's
a
it's
actually
county
road
and
staff
has
been
in
contact
with
with
the
county
in
regards
to
making
some
changes
to
that.
I
agree
completely.
I've
come
up
indian
road
at
about
4
30.
If
I've
been
out,
you
know
doing
an
inspection
and
I'll
make
a
right
onto
lakeview,
and
it's
like.
Why
did
I
do
that?
Because
it's
backed
up
past
the?
Basically
you
make
the
turn
it's
backed
up
and
then
people
that
are
going
north,
east
or
west
on
on
441.
F
B
And
it's
going
to
take
one
train
where
people
did
not
stop
where
they
were
supposed
to
stop
yeah,
it's
going
to
take
one
robust
driver
crashing
through
etc,
and
we
had
a
presentation
not
all
that
long
ago,
that
on
that
corner
of
lakeview
and
the
trail,
so
that
would
be
the
southwest
corner.
I
do
believe
yeah.
There
are
plans
to
put
in
a
convenience
store
gasoline.
B
B
And
we're
not
widening
those
streets,
we're
not
doing
you
know,
there's
been
oh
well,
we
might
widen
the
street
to
this
or
that
the
other
thing
they
do
is
they
go.
They
go
through
the
parking
lot
where
the
restaurant
used
to
be
and.
F
Yeah
one
of
the
options
there's
a
there's,
a
road
over
just
to
the
west
of
where
that
gas
station
was
looking
to
go,
and
we
were
looking
to
shift
some
of
that
property
over
to
the
west
and
get
additional
land
on
lakeview
to
be
able
to
put
in
a
turn
lane
so
that
we
could
at
least
get
some
of
that
traffic.
F
That's
going
eastbound
to
be
able
to
turn
and
get
get
out
of
the
way,
I
guess
you'd
say,
but
up
until
we
get
some
players
on
both
of
those
properties
on
the
southeast
and
southeast
corner
of
441
and
lakeview.
F
We
really
can't
do
much
of
anything
and,
of
course,
orange
county
has
to
play
a
major
major
role
in
that
they've
got
to
prove
the
access
for
that
south
west
corner,
and
then
the
southeast
corner
is
kind
of
limited
because
of
what
they've
got
right
there.
You
know
the
first
place
for
the
woodshed.
B
D
I'll
make
a
motion,
mr
commissioner,
chairman
find
the
crossroads.
429
industrial
park,
major
development
plan,
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
recommend
approval.
The
major
development
plan
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
exhibit
okay.