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From YouTube: Apopka Planning Commission Meeting August 9, 2022
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Apopka Planning Commission Meeting at City Hall on August 9, 2022 at 5:30 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
A
If
anyone
here
is
here
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
included
in
the
agenda,
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
that.
If
you
have
a
specific
agenda
item,
you
would
like
to
speak
on.
Please
wait
until
that
item
comes
up,
come
to
the
lectern
and
give
us
our
name
and
address
and
you'll
be
allowed
to
speak
during
the
public
comment
forum.
We
will
call
for
that
during
each
agenda
item.
A
Do
we
have
a
set
of
minutes
to
approve
erin?
We
do
not.
Okay,
all
righty
first
hearing
would
be
the
citrus
ridge
property
future
land
use
amendment
owner
of
citrus
ridge,
real
estate,
care
of
jose
cantero
applicants,
centrist
ridge,
real
estate
care
of
jose
quintero
west
of
benion
road
north
of
clear
lake
estates,
residential
subdivision.
C
D
E
I'd
like
to
say
something,
mr
chairman,
first
of
all,
mr
quintero,
thank
you.
This
is
it's
pleasure
to
see
property
preserved
instead
of
split
up
so
I'll
say
that.
Thank
you.
D
I'll
make
a
motion,
mr
chairman,
to
finally
propose
the
change
in
land
in
future
land
use
from
residential
low
zero
to
five
dwelling
units
per
acre
to
agriculture.
One
dwelling
unit
per
acre
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas
recommending
approval
of
the
future
land
use
amendment
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
G
C
The
subject
property
is
currently
vacant
and
the
applicant
plans
to
construct
one
single
family
unit
in
the
parcel.
It's
approximately
a
total
of
19.11
acres
in
size,
and
it's
also
the
applicant's
intention
to
maintain
the
rules
setting
the
ag
district
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area
due
to
its
vicinity
at
the
camp
wiiwa
site,
the
drc
recommends
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
change
of
zoning
from
rsf-1b
residential
single-family
large
lot.
District
to
ag
agriculture,
district
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
H
Mr
chairman,
I
find
it
proposed
citrus
ridge
change
of
zoning
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land.
J
A
C
Gene
sanchez
with
the
planning
and
zoning
division:
this
is
our
request
to
recommend
approval
of
the
small-scale
future
land
use
amendment
for
kelly
park
south
from
rural
settlement
to
mixed
use.
The
subject:
property
sits
north
of
kelly
park,
road
east
of
round
lake
road
and
west
of
effie
road,
approximately
45.9
acres
in
size.
C
C
A
K
Mr
chairman,
I
move
that
we
find
the
proposed
change
in
future
land
use
from
rural
settlement
to
mixed
use,
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas.
Recommending
approval
of
the
future
land
use.
Amendment
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
A
G
C
C
C
C
Supplementary
open
space
on
many
areas
will
be
provided
at
the
time
of
development
of
the
multifamily
portion
to
meet
a
total
minimum
requirement
of
15
open
space.
The
proposed
access
for
this
project
is
on
kali
park.
Road,
additionally,
the
master
plan
shows
three
connections
to
the
eastern
parcels:
two
connections
to
the
north,
one
connection
to
the
west
and
southwest
adjacent
parcels.
C
The
drc
recommends
approval.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
ag
agriculture
to
kpi
mu
kelly
park,
interchange,
mixed
use
with
the
assignment
of
transition
and
village
center
overlay
districts
and
its
accompanying
master
plan
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
D
D
Make
a
motion,
mr
chairman,
find
the
proposed
kelly
park.
South
change
of
zoning
and
master
plan
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code,
incompatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas.
Recommending
approval
of
the
proposed
changes.
Zoning
from
ag
agriculture
to
kpi,
mu
kelly
park,
interchange,
mixed
use,
assignment
of
transition
and
village
center
overlay
districts
and
approval
of
the
master
plan
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
and
presented
by
staff
in
the
exhibits.
F
C
The
property
is
on
the
southwest
corner
of
7th
street
and
central
avenue.
The
proposed
future
land
use
designation
of
residential
low
is
compatible
with
the
parcels.
East
adjacent
of
the
subject.
Properties
properties
on
the
east
have
a
future
land
use
designation
of
residential
law
as
well.
This
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
single
with
the
existing
single-family
residents
on
the
property.
C
Current
zoning
is
mixed-use
downtown
mud
compatible
with
the
proposed
future
land
use
designation,
the
drc
recommends
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
amending
the
future
land.
Use
designation
from
commercial
to
residential
low
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions
great.
G
J
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
find
a
proposed
change
in
future
land
use
from
commercial
to
residential
low,
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
lived
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
area.
Recommending
approval
of
the
future
land
use
amendment
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
reports
and
exhibits.
A
G
A
C
B
West
pond
can
road
apopka
florida.
I
live
cattywampus
from
the
subject
property
on
seven
gorgeous
acres
in
apopka
love
it
there.
Thank
you
guys
for
letting
me
speak,
mr
chairman
and
commissioners,
it's
a
little
hard
for
me
to
come
up
and
talk
to
y'all,
because
I'm
the
property
rights
guy
and
I
hate
to
talk
against
another
man's
plans
for
his
property.
B
B
I've
looked
at
a
few
things
that
I
don't
understand
very
well.
Maybe
you
can
illuminate
these
for
me,
quality
level
of
service.
I
know
that's
something
that
is
always
a
concern
and
in
central
florida
area
we've
got
a
lot
of
building
and
we've
got
a
lot
of.
In
my
opinion,
substandard
transportation
systems.
B
B
You
know
it's,
it's
not
enough,
so
I
I
think
that
when
you
look
at
some
of
these
numbers,
they
they
get
away
from
me,
but
they
suggest
the
peak
capacity
is
about
fifteen
thousand
nine
hundred
nine
hundred
vehicles
a
day
right
now.
B
The
last
numbers
are
from
twenty
twenty
and
kovitz
slow
things
down
a
little
bit,
so
they're
still
suggesting
it's
only
about
a
thousand
vehicles
a
day
out
there.
But
if
you
sit
on
pond
cam
road
or
plymouth,
sorrento
road
or
kelly
park
road,
I
don't
know
how
important
level
of
service
is.
There's
a
lot
of
traffic
and
since
2020
there
have
been
many
improvements
are
developed
and
approved
all
up
and
down
from
the
sorrento
kelly
park.
B
I
looked
for
something
called
a
traffic
impact
analysis
and
that's
a
little
above
my
pay
grade,
but
it
is
all
numbers,
but
reality
is
you
drive
on
these
roads
you'll
understand
what
what
people
see
every
day,
I'm
told
related
to
this
development
that
the
vehicle
trips
per
household
per
day
is
calculated
at
9.44.
I
don't
know
where
they
get
these
numbers,
but
that.
B
61
homes
about
575.88
homes
per
day
accessing
pond
can
road
at
pond,
can
pines
in
a
curve
in
a
school
zone
with
opposite
traffic
coming
out
of
weak
ivor
run,
and
that
just
seems
dangerous
to
me
now.
This
is
a
county
road
you're
going
to
approve
homes
in
the
city
of
belmont,
but
there
I
presume-
and
I've
made
a
couple
phone
calls,
haven't
been
successful-
that
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
improvements
to
pond
cam
to
allow
all
of
these
extra
car
trips
a
day,
and
I
do
back
up
a
little
bit.
B
Mi
homes
built
we,
we
got
ever
run
they're
a
quality
builder.
I
know
they'll
do
a
good
job
over
there.
They're
building
larger
lot
homes
and
that's
much
appreciated,
still
comes
back
to
the
safety
two
things
that
are
anecdotal
when
weak
aberrant
was
built.
They
have
a
very
long
entrance
off
a
pond
can
to
their
pond.
Can
entry
and
engineers
probably
did
a
great
job,
seeing
apopka
did
a
great
job.
B
Looking
at
all
the
engineering
and
approving
that
subdivision,
it
is
a
very
nice
subdivision,
but
about
a
week
after
they
started
using
that,
and
I
my
days
may
be
off
a
little
bit.
We
had
one
of
those
rains
like
we
had
this
afternoon
and
I'm
sorry
that
those
rains
previously
pushed
cars
off
the
road
and
in
poncan
road
pushed
them
off
the
road
they
built.
The
biggest
french
drain.
B
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life
to
kind
of
combat
that,
but
there
still
is
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
water
coming
from
that
direction,
and
I
expect
now
with
you
know
them
improving.
Pond
cam
pond
can
pines
road.
There
can
be
that
expected
draining
drainage
issue,
and
I
know
that's
you
know
again.
You
guys
do
a
good
job.
The
city
of
apopka
does
a
good
job
of
planning
these
developments,
but
they
somebody
missed
that
one
more
thing
and
again
it's
anecdotal.
B
I
have
to
sell
a
car,
and
I
use
pond
can-
and
I
can
sell
just
about
anything
pond
can
or
give
anything
away
that
I
want.
I
mean
they
come
by
and
they
take
it.
Sometimes
they
take
it
out
of
my
truck
before
I
can
unload
it
some
silly
car
on
sunday
morning.
I
put
it
out
there
at
about
7
30
in
the
morning,
and
I
hear
an
exotic
car
heading
west
from
the
east,
and
I
know
it's
exotic.
B
B
A
Thank
you.
Perhaps
staff
can
answer
those
two
questions
as
far
as
the
drainage
and
what
is
the
traffic
study
done
and
is
there
any
planned
improvements.
I
At
this
stage
we
don't
have
a
site
plan.
This
is
land
use
and
zoning
only
when
those
are
brought
up
in
regards
to
for
the
full
review.
All
the
transportation
will
be
reviewed.
I
Any
improvements
right
now
we're
already
getting
property
dedicated
for
the
turn
lane
and
for
for
bikeways
on
the
north
side
same
thing
with
drainage.
I
have
seen
a
conceptual
plan
that
does
have
drainage.
It
has
to
be
retained
on
site
anything
that
the
the
road
that
they're
going
to
be
accessing
campaigns
is
actually
an
existing
road.
I
The
west
side
has
already
developed
with
large
lot
development
in
the
agricultural
property
in
the
north
is
it's
basically,
you
got
a
private
access
going
north
of
the
the
existing
road,
that's
there,
but
all
the
all,
the
normal
improvements
that
we
would
look
at
for
for
drainage
and
for
transportation
and
access,
or
are
kind
of
in
the
in
the
in
the
normal
review
process.
When
we
get
to
that
minor
development
plan
or
major
development
plan,
because
it's
over
25
units
all
right,
thank
you.
You'll.
B
I
Yeah
with
the
that's
the
large
lot
developments,
that's
all
those
are
right.
There,
they're
all
yeah.
I
wonder.
I
Nursery
farther
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
of
this
you
know
for
that
little
bit
of
northern
portion
that
could
go,
but
we
don't
know
when
they'd
have
to
get
they'd
have
to
dedicate
road
road
right.
G
I
A
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
bill:
mackey,
I'm
a
landscape,
architect
and
land
planner
with
the
daily
design
group
we're
the
applicants
for
this
project.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
in
relation
to
the
gentleman's
we
did
comments,
we
held
a
community
meeting
back
in
april
may
and
honestly.
The
traffic
at
that
intersection
was
the
big
concern
that
we
got
from
the
community
and
that
we
held.
L
We
understand
the
neighbors
concerns
we.
We
are
working
with
orange
county,
we're
going
to
be
working
with
apopka
and
our
traffic
engineers
to
come
up
with
the
safest
possible
intersection
as
possible,
because
we're
going
to
have
residents
living
there
as
well
and
they're
going
to
be
using
the
same
intersection.
L
So
it
is
an
issue
that
we
recognize
we
will
be
working
with
staff
and
everybody
in
order
to
come
up
with
an
amenable
solution
from
for
the
intersection.
I'd
just
like
to
remind
you
that
we
are
asking
the
downs
on
the
property
from
existing
entitlements.
That
would,
according
to
the
staff
report,
allow
about
475
dwelling
units
and
about
a
million
square
feet
of
commercial
on
this
property.
L
D
I'll
make
a
motion,
mr
chairman,
find
a
proposed
change
in
future
land
use
from
mixed
use,
0
to
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
1.0
floor
area
ratio
to
residential
low,
suburban
0-2
dwelling
units
per
acre
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas.
Recommending
approval
of
the
future
land
use
amendment
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
J
G
A
C
C
K
Mr
chairman,
I
finally
proposed
con
can
pines
change
of
zoning
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas.
Recommending
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
for
mixed-use
esgt
mixed-use,
east
shore
gateway
district
to
rsf-1b,
residential
single-family
lodge
lot
district
based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
K
A
A
C
F
Yeah
I
have
a
question
staff.
The
southern
entrance
to
this
subdivision.
Is
it
line
up
or
the
near
word,
pelvic
entrances?
How
close
is
it?
C
Oh,
that's
probably
under
the
zoning,
not
the
future
land
use
right
now,
with
the
master
plan.
Do
you
want
to
discuss
that
now?
The
master
plan
that's
an
exhibit
with
the
zoning.
This
is
currently.
C
I
This
actually
lines
up
it
does
it
lines
up
with
the
main
entrance
for
the
north-south
road
that
is
to
the
to
the
west
of
publix.
Publix
has
basically
two
entrances.
One.
F
F
But
there's
an
issue
with
the
with
the
publics
on
rock
springs:
ridge
they're.
The
north
exit
is
too
close
to
that
dollar
store
and
there's
always
accidents
going
on
there
because
of
people
turning
right
in
left.
F
A
M
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
lance
bennett,
wilson,
bennett,
2602,
east
livingston
street
orlando
florida.
I
think
yeah.
G
M
Okay,
let's
go
with
that!
So
mr
ryan,
the
the
this
is
our
access
point
off
west
kelley
park,
road
right.
The
public's
entrance
is
directly
across
west
kelley
park
road
and
then
ultimately,
the
city,
as
you're
aware,
has
done
a
study
of
from
west
kelley
park
road
to
to
put
a
medium
and
my
understanding
is,
you
know.
Ultimately,
there
will
be
a
median
in
this
location
as
well.
Will.
M
I
F
I
That's
what
I
would
consider
their
main
entrance,
because
this
is
actually
the
road
it's
the
connected
road
to
this
to
the
southern
properties.
It
will
eventually
go
through
this
distance
from
here
to
here
is
there's
not
going
to
be
any
more
entrances
there
from
here,
probably
over
to
the
traffic
light.
That's
where
we'll
probably
have
the
median
put
in.
So
anybody
coming
out
here
will
not
be
able
to
turn
left.
I
Internally,
coming
into
here,
you
know
from
the
from
the
intersection
here
and
they
obviously
right-hand
turn.
Also,
this
will
be
basically.
F
I
F
F
A
Right,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
more
questions
of
the
applicant
while
we
have
you,
I
have
a
question
from
jim,
though
yes,
thank
you,
sir.
He
has
a
question
jim
for
you.
F
H
I
have
a
pretty
good
grasp
of
the
whole
idea
up
there
and
I,
I
see
the
large
area,
the
large
area,
that's
at
the
intersection
of
plymouth
rental
and
kelly
park,
and
I
see
the
main
road.
I
believe
you
said
that
main
road
going
down
to
kelley
park
is
adjacent
to
the
road
into
the
public's
plaza.
I
Yeah
this
this
is
the
wingspan
portion
here.
This
is
their
main
entrance
coming
in.
Yes,
this
is
not
part
of
their
project
they'll
there
there
might
be
a
write-in
right
out
here,
but
we've,
but
there's
also
connection
features
here
going
to
the
north.
So
this
will
probably
be
the
only
access
that
this
will
have
going
onto
plymouth
sorrento.
We
don't.
H
I
You've
already
looked
at
different
subdivisions
for
couple
different
developments
down
here
and
another
one,
just
north
of
ap,
where
appy
lane
would
go
across
and
where
joey
mcguckin
road
is.
That
will
end
up
going
underneath
the
429
over
the
west
side
trying
to
get
all
that
inner
connectivity
with
all
the
roadways
with
all
of
these
projects,
and
it's
it
is
happening
very
fast.
I
know
when
we
were
talking
about
this
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
Everybody
was
wondering:
when
is
this
ever
going
to
happen?
I
It's
happening,
and
it's
happening
actually
a
lot
faster
than
than
than
what
everybody
dreamt.
Yes,.
H
A
N
N
We
we're
we're
addressing
more
than
one
issue
here.
One
is
the
there
are
two
entrances.
I
was
informed
because
the
these
three
properties
here
are
the
ones
that
go
through
the
property
that
I
own.
Now
this
one
that
comes
across
has
a
side
exit
into.
This
is
a
private.
This
is
not
public.
N
N
We're
doing
the
same
thing
here
that
we
did
over
here
we're
emptying
we're
calling
one
of
our
exits,
something
that
empties
into
somebody's
private
private
property.
They
don't.
Nobody
owns
that
somebody
does.
N
N
Somebody
had
to
come
up
with
something
that
said:
apopka
wants
what
for
their
development.
What
are
we
doing
for
the
for
the
zoning,
and
I
sat
here
with
the
several
times.
It
was
not
one
time
it
was
not
two
times
I
quit
counting.
It
went
back
and
forth
between
here
and
the
and
you
and
upstairs
and
across
the
street,
and
to
tallahassee
back
and
forth.
These
papers
went
back
and
forth.
N
N
It
was
80
pages
thick
and
it
had
a
map
on
the
front
of
it.
Yes,
it
looks
akin
to
a
map
that
we
that
we
we
can.
We
can
still
find
the
map
there.
There's
your
map
there,
there's
there's
your
429
and
kelly
park,
those
two
red
cir,
those
two
red
markings-
heavy
red-
are
supposed
to
be
village
centers
the
village
center
had
a
mark
on
it.
That
said,
we
are
here
to
represent
the
retail
industry.
N
A
A
N
We
have
we
have
deviated
from
the
what
came
back
from
tallahassee.
That
came
back.
That's
what
I
expected
when
I
did
what
I
did
that
and
that's
not
what's
being
that's
not
what's
being
done,
and
the
concern
about
the
two
entrances
and
exits,
the
the
the
old
style
building
that
that
we
were
expecting
to
find
as
a
baldwin
park.
A
The
style
and
the
the
the
look
of
the
building
is
not
the
issue
that
we're
discussing
here.
If
you
have
something
that's
relative
to
the
planning
and
zoning
as
in
the
traffic
that
you
mentioned,
that's
fine.
We
can
address
it.
Yes,
sir,
but
the
design
and
the
look
and
feel
and
color
of
the
building
is
irrelevant
to
us.
N
I
In
can
I
can
I
address.
Can
I
address
this
real
quick?
Thank
you
sure
this
is
a
land
use,
it's
not
having
to
deal
with
the
with
the
density
or
the
the
plan
itself.
This
is
just
the
land
use
and
the
zoning
for
the
property.
It's
not
to
discuss
the,
whether
whether
or
not
it's
commercial
or
residential.
This
does
follow
what
was
approved,
that
tallahassee
did
review
and
it
is
part
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
a
mixed-use
product,
there's
three
actually,
four
commercial
buildings
and
residential
and
they
it
is
allowed
to
mix.
I
There
was
no
design
guidelines
that
were
part
of
that
development.
The
development
plan
for
the
kelly
park-
interchange,
mr
hitt.
I've
got
the
document.
It's
in
the
conference,
that's
okay,
but.
I
N
Those
80
pages
said
that
there
was
something
there
and
now
you're
going
to
tell
all
these
people
that
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
say
we're
going
to
see
it.
Our
way
is
that
the
way
you
want
to
be
represented,
that's
the
way
you're
representing
yourself.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
time,
I'm
obviously
offending
whoever
I'm
offending,
but
thank
you
for
your
time.
F
There's
any
government
loans
involved
in
this
project.
Sorry,
any
government
loans
involved
in
this
project,
loans,
hud.
M
E
E
Comment
slightly
to
the
second
part
of
it,
but
thank
you
for
at
least
that
these
names
hold.
You
know
you
have
horse
related
names.
I
think
that's
good
for
this
for
the
area
to
use
galloping
drive
and
stuff
like
that,
I
hope
that
holds
to
the
final
development,
as
can,
I
think
it's
good
and
consistent
use
with
the
area.
A
A
C
The
rezoning
from
county
a1
to
kpi,
mu
and
assignment
village
center
overlay
district
is
compatible
with
the
intent
of
the
kpi
form
base
code.
The
village
center
overlay
permits
a
minimum
density
of
7.5
units
per
acre
maximum
density
of
20
dwelling
units
per
acre,
as
well
as
a
minimum
floor
area,
ratio
of
0.3
and
maximum
of
1.0.
C
In
addition,
the
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
the
company
master
plan.
The
master
plan
proposes
the
development
of
368
multi-family
units.
The
applicant
is
proposing
150
one
bedroom
units,
174
two-bedroom
units
and
44
three-bedroom
units.
The
applicant
is
also
proposing
a
future
development
that
consists
of
about
49
500
square
feet
of
commercial
uses.
With
the
proposed
far
of
0.36,
the
commercial
portion
will
undergo
a
separate
development
review
process
for
the
multi-family
portion.
The
master
plan
depicts
a
total
area
of
2.72
acres
of
open
space
and
amenity.
C
The
amenity
open
space
program
includes
covered
pavilion,
plazas
pool
deck
and
lounge
areas,
passive
open
spaces
and
pocket
parks.
The
proposed
access
points
for
this
project
are
on
kelly
park,
road
and
plymouth
rental
road.
Additionally,
the
master
plan
shows
a
connection
to
the
northern
and
western
adjacent
parcels,
as
well
as
a
connection
to
the
future.
Commercial
development
on
the
south.
C
Drc
recommends
approval
of
the
change
of
zoning
and
the
master
plan.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
county
a1
to
kpi
mu,
with
the
assignment
of
the
village
center
overlay
district
and
in
this
master
plan,
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
J
Mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
find
the
proposed
wingspan
abc
kelly
park,
change
of
zoning
and
master
plan
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas
recommending
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
county
a1
citrus
rule
to
kpi,
mu
kelly
park,
interchange
mix,
use
assignment
of
village
center
overlay
district
and
approval
of
the
master
plan.
Based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
reports
and
exhibits.
D
A
Okay
on
to
the
sight
planes
all
right
site
plan
number
one
would
be:
the
wind
rose
flat
owners:
four
star,
usa,
real
estate
group
care
of
chris
tyree
applicant
vanessa,
hagen,
ruslan
inc,
cairo,
james
r,
hoffman
location,
west
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road,
east
of
state,
road,
429
and
north
of
kelly
park.
Road.
A
C
The
wind
rose
residential
subdivision,
formerly
known
as
orlando
beltway
east.
The
platte
proposes
a
total
of
202
single
family
detached
residential
lots
in
a
single
phase.
The
plot
is,
the
plat
is
consistent
with
the
kelly
park,
interchange
master
plan,
approved
by
city
council
on
october
21
2020,
and
the
major
development
plan
approved
by
city
council
on
august
4th
2021..
C
F
C
Yes,
sir
I'll
have
james
hoffman
here
he
is
the
pe
for
the
project.
O
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
fellow
commissioners,
my
name
is
james
hoffman,
with
vhb
offices
at
225,
east
robinson
street,
I'm
the
civil
engineer
and
project
manager
for
the
property.
So
the
smaller
lots
you
see
in
question.
Those
are
townhome
units,
so
each
each
unit
has
a
fee,
simple
property
associated
with
it,
but
those
are
blocks
of
it's
a
little
harder.
O
O
Line
well
standard
market
townhomes.
These
days
range
from
20-22,
sometimes
up
to
25,
but
20
is
a
very
common
townhome
lot,
so
you
have
a
building
pad
that
may
have
four
six
units,
four
six
eight
units,
sometimes
more
and
each
dwelling
has
their
own
individual,
townhome
access,
rear
garage,
individual
parking
on
lot
for
each
lots.
So
these
are
full
fee,
simple
fee,
simple
units,
they
obviously
share
a
common
roof,
certain
common
elements
and
those
are
governed.
You
know
by
their
their
townhome
documents,.
O
We
have
a
detailed
parking
table
that
was
provided
with
the
construction
site
plan
that
was
reviewed
by
staff.
We
have
driveway
parking
for
all
of
those
townhome
units,
there's
also
a
lot
of
on-street
parking
available
for
guest
overflow,
parking
visitors
and
so
forth
throughout
the
development.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
construction
site
plan
itself
was
already
approved
by
staff
and
is
under
construction.
So
this
document
is
the
plot
that
accompanies
that
and
will.
H
A
E
A
Okay.
The
next
item
is
the
vision
car
wash
special
exception.
Use
this
quasi-judicial
has
anyone
on
the
board
had
any
ex
parte
communication
on
this
matter?
No,
sir,.
A
C
I
know
gene
sanchez
with
the
planning
and
zoning
division.
This
is
a
request
for
a
an
approval
of
the
special
exception
to
allow
an
enclosed
car
wash
use
within
the
mud.
Mixed
use,
downtown
district,
the
property
is
located
at
345
and
355
west
ob
orange
blossom
trail,
south
of
old
dixie,
highway
and
north
of
orange
blossom
trail.
C
The
applicant
intends
to
operate
a
car
wash
facility,
which
requires
a
special
exception
use
permit
within
the
mud.
Car
wash
is
conducted
within
the
enclosed
building
adjacent
to
old
dixie
highway.
To
the
greatest
extent
practicable.
The
applicant
is
required
to
comply
with
all
site
design
and
other
standards,
including
landscaping
buffers
ensuring
that
vacuum
areas
are
not
visible
from
old
dixie
highway
and
orange
blossom
trail
rides
of
ways
the
drc
is
currently
reviewing.
C
The
construction
site
plan
for
this
project
confirmed
that
proposed
site
plan
will
provide
adequate
and
safe
access
and
complies
with
the
rest
of
the
land
development
code,
including
required
buffers
for
land
development
code.
Section
2.51
g4
special
exception
is
required
to
comply
with
these
standards
outlined
in
the
staff
report
as
well.
The
drc
recommends
approval.
The
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
a
special
exception
to
allow
an
enclosed
car
wash
use
within
the
mud.
I
E
I
It's
one
way:
it's
it's
basically
designed
for
one
car.
If,
if
the
car
wash
developers
wanted
to
put
a
speed
bump
or
a
hump
or
something
like
that,
they
could
probably
do
that
if
that
becomes
a
an
obstacle,
but
there's
there's
two
major
turns,
and
then
it's
only
a
right
in
and
right
out
going
up
to
where
new
hampshire
is,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
make
a
left
hand
turning
out
there
to
go
towards
new
hampshire,
they'd
have
to
make
a
right.
At
that
point
it
becomes
a
a
police,
a
police
matter
for.
I
E
They
should
make
it
right,
but
I
imagine
that
some
people
on
idea-
I
say
this
just
from
experience
having
living
down
by
the
huawei
and
the
street
car
wash
down
here,
how
many
people
cut
through
there
and
both
my
wife
and
I
have
often
got
into
accidents
at
that
t,
intersection
of
green
acres
into
the
wawa,
because
people
come
straight
across
from
there
out
of
that
car
wash
or
they
just
they
they
go
down
and
then
again,
that's
a
policing
issue.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
address
that
that
that's
addressed.
E
P
Crawford,
I'm
with
florida
engineering
group,
5127,
south
orange
avenue,
orlando
florida
32809,
sorry
about
that
yeah.
So
as
mentioned
as
far
as
the
driveway,
when
you're
coming
off
of
441,
the
intent
is
basically
you're
going
to
pull
in
and
actually
turn
the
right
to
go
through
and
actually
do
the
pay
station
and
get
through
the
car
wash
so
we're
going
to
have.
Basically,
we've
got
from
a
fire
standpoint.
P
We've
got
a
certain
width
on
there,
but
we
have
narrowed
it
down
to
what
the
width
of
the
fire
access
is
allowed
on
there,
and
we
will
have
do
not
just
enter
signs
on
that.
Basically
facing
traffic
as
you
pull
in
so
they're
going
to
see.
Basically,
you've
got
the
stop
signs
and
and
do
not
enter
signs
to
get
there
to
try
to
prevent
people
from
going
through,
they'll
be
actually
going
against
traffic.
P
In
order
to
do
that
so
coming
off
of
441,
the
intent
is
for
them
to
turn
and
go
up
through
the
pace
stations
and
be
able
to
go
through
the
car
wash
and
then
come
back
through.
We've
been
working
with
the
city
also
with
regards
to
trying
to
make
sure
that
traffic
that's
going
up
there
for
old
dixie
highway
is
as
a
write-in
ride
out
only
that
we're
not
having
cars
as
they're
trying
to
exit
from
the
car
wash
really
the
only
traffic's
going
to
be
exiting
up
through.
P
There
is
essentially
going
to
be
the
traffic
coming
out
of
the
car
wash
at
that
point
and
going
up
most
people
are
probably
going
to
be
going
down
to
441,
but
we
we've
actually
since
that
design,
where
it's
got
the
little,
what
they
call
a
pork
chop
there
to
try
to
take
enforced
cars,
it's
a
much
larger
car
opening.
Now
I
don't
know
if
that
might
be
the
next.
P
The
next
slide,
the
one
that
shows
the
the
larger
pork
chop.
P
But
anyway,
so
it's
a
much
larger
poor
truck
there
to
take
and
try
to
force
people
to
take.
And
if
you're
going
out,
you
are
going
to
be
making
a
right
only
and
also
to
prevent
cars
from
making
a
left
turn.
When
they're
trying
to
go
from
old,
dixie
highway
and
also
to
prevent
cars.
Coming
from
north
new
hampshire
trying
to
cut
through
through
the
property
right.
P
H
So
then,
customers
can
enter
your
business
from
either
dixie
or
441.
To
use
your
services
is
that
correct.
P
F
P
Orange
blossom
trail
441,
so
that's
where
a
majority
of
the
pass
by
traffic
is
going
gonna,
be
coming
from
to
make
it
through
the
circulation
and
that
and
be
a
smaller
percentage
that
actually,
through
there
coming
off
of
old
dixie
highway.
So
that's
not
really
gonna
be
anticipated
to
be
the
large
traffic
generator.
It's
gonna
be
the
smaller
percentage
of
traffic
actually
coming
from
old
dixie
highway.
I
I
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
did
this
when
we
did
the
not
the
last
glitch
amendment
that
I
think
was
a
glitch
amendment
before
last.
It
was,
I
want
to
say,
2877
ordinance
number.
I
We
anticipated
a
car
wash
in
this
area,
and
so
we
did
put
in
the
parameters
with
the
25
foot,
minimum
setback
for
the
building,
buffering
thinking,
thinking
of
of
this
area,
so
that
it
could
basically
give
as
much
buffer
as
possible
for
for
the
residents
and
the
other
businesses
in
the
area
and
they've.
Actually,
they've
they've
met
code
completely.
P
And
there
was
a
previous
car
wash
that
actually
on
the
property
that
actually
was
approved
by
the
city
on
it,
but
it's
a
different
owner
now
and
changed
up
the
site
plan
so
compared
to
the
old
building
that
was
there.
We
have
gone
from
10
foot
up
to
25
foot
in
order
to
comply
with
the
the
new
code
within
this
area.
On
that
there's
also
part
of
it
is
also
a
landscape
buffer.
P
That's
required
along
the
north
side
of
the
property,
that's
a
type
b
buffer,
so
it's
requiring
like
three
trees
per
hundred
feet,
a
little
bit
over
three
trees
per
hundred
feet
about
27,
28,
shrubs
and
also
about
seven
or
eight
understory
trees.
So
there
will
be
a
pretty
good
buffer
with
regards
to
landscape,
along
that
that
particular
edge
that
that's
part
of
the
the
code
requirement
we'll
meet
when
we're
going
through
the
construction
plan
process.
P
On
that-
and
I
know
one
of
the
other
concerns
from
the
neighbor
was
noise
from
the
vacuums.
But,
as
you
can
see,
we've
got
the
building
here
and
all
of
our
vacuum
stations
and
the
actual
motors
for
the
vacuums
are
actually
moved
away
from
the
north
property
line
are
actually
south
of
the
building.
P
The
building
will
help
work
as
a
buffer
to
take
and
help
deflect
that
noise
and
then
obviously
the
motors
are
going
to
be
down
in
here
for
the
vacuum
which
are
further
away
and
below
the
building
and
it
it
by
itself
is
going
to
have
a
six
foot
wall
enclosure
around
it.
So
it's
going
to
have
a
wall
around
it.
Then
you've
also
got
the
building
to
help
take
and
protect
noise
from
reaching
to
the
north.
P
K
P
Well,
I
mean
you're
going
to
have
the
the
vacuums
and
such
run
through
and
basically
it's
going
to
be
a
normal
business.
That's
going
to
be
running
there.
I
guess
is
that
what
what
you're
talking
about
as
far
as
the
the
vehicles
that
are
running
through
there
and
they're
going
to
be
the
same
noise
as
a
typical
parking
lot
or
cars
moving
around
with
a
retail
or
such
like?
That,
is
that
what
you're
talking
about.
P
I
don't
know
that
this
business
would
do
much
more
than
I
mean
they've
got
likes
entire
stores
next
door
and
such
like
that
they've
got
certain
impact
wrenches
and
such
that
would
go
for
trying
to
get
tires
off.
I
don't
know
we're
really
going
to
be
necessarily
any
noisier
than
what
they
would
be,
and
obviously
we've
got
the
vacuums
that
are
actually
not
along
441
we're
actually
back
away
from.
We
got
a
little
bit
of
space
between
that
there'll
also
be
that
same
buffer.
We
talked
about
that's
going
to
be
along
old,
dixie
highway.
P
It's
going
to
be
well,
it's
going
to
be
north
of
the
roadway
correct,
so
it's
going
to
be
across
the
street,
but
between
441
and
old
dixie.
I
The
the
the
the
vacuums
themselves
and
like
was
mentioned,
the
the
main
there.
It's
the
second
row
of
parking
and
then
the
pumps
themselves
are
more
centralized.
I
I
All
the
different
buffers
and
where
the
where
the
vacuum
pumps
themselves
are,
we
try
to
mitigate
that
as
much
as
possible,
with
the
with
some
of
the
design
guidelines
that
we
ended
up
putting
in
place
for.
J
I
That
might
be
one
of
those
solutions
to
put
in
a
hump
if
somebody's
trying
to
dart
through,
but
that's
that's
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
end
up
having
people
that
are
speeding
even
through
neighborhoods
that
have
the
the
the
speed
humps
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
one
of
those
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
see
what
happens.
I
mean.
G
I
Got
people
darting
through
through
walmart
because
they
don't
want
to
go
at
the
corner
of
hiawassee.
You
know
and
and
441.
I
A
I
Q
Q
Members
of
the
city
of
apopka,
planet,
commission,
ladies
gentlemen,
friends
and
neighbors,
thank
you
for
coming,
I'm
here
to
ask
the
planning
commission
to
vote
no
for
another
request
for
a
special
exception
to
allow
automated
car
wash
that,
under
its
current
business
model
plans
to
operate
seven
days
a
week,
swells
up
12
hours
a
day.
8
am
to
8
pm
at
3
45
and
3
55
west
orange
blossom
trail
in
the
city
of
apopka.
Q
Like
I
said,
my
name
is
marcia
hussler.
I
live
across
the
street
from
345
and
355
west
orange
blossom
trail
at
397
old
dixie
highway.
If
the
planning
commission
votes
yes,
for
this
special
exception,
I'll
feel,
like
carl
frederickson
in
the
animated
film
up
carl
faced
progress
and
growth
that
did
not
value
his
property
or
his
neighborhood.
Q
Q
Q
We
have
a
community
of
quiet
kind
and
considerate
neighbors.
I
cannot
understand
why
this
request
is
under
consideration.
How
can
an
automated
car
wash
with
37
proposed
free
vacuum?
Bays
a
structure
over
4
000
square
feet
full
of
automated
machinery
and
high-capacity
dryers,
be
compatible
sandwiched
between
loomis
funeral
home
in
chapel
and
my
house,
which
is
over
115
years
old
in
an
automated
car,
wash
industry
report
professional
car
washing
and
detailing
experts
write
this
advice
under
the
title
pain
points,
osha
regulation,
which
stands
for.
Q
Osha
regulation
permit
noise
exposure
levels
up
to
85
decibels
for
an
eight
hour
work
day.
According
to
stuart
levy,
president
of
clean
car,
wash
consulting
quote.
Noise
truly
is
a
danger
both
to
your
employees,
health
and
to
the
quality
of
life.
End
quote
to
change.
The
code
is
to
give
license
to
endanger
my
health.
The
city
of
apopka
doesn't
currently
have
a
noise
ordinance,
my
family
and
I
will
live
less
than
50
yards
from
the
proposed
source
of
this
noise
all
day
every
day.
Q
Osha
regulations
will
protect
the
car
wash
employees,
but
who
will
protect
my
health
and
my
well-being?
The
reality
of
voting,
yes,
will
also
destroy
my
neighborhood
and
decrease
our
residential
property
value
with
traffic
noise,
exhaust
and
continual
activity.
This
is
not
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Why
do
people
choose
to
live
in
apopka?
Q
Well,
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
for
an
express
car
wash
fine,
dining
pawn
shops,
gas
stations,
fast,
food
or
traffic
flow
people
choose
to
live
in
apopka,
because
there
has
always
been
a
core
group
of
leaders
and
residents
who
value
the
intangibles
of
history,
family,
tradition,
great
schools
and
safe
communities.
They
have
valued
people
over
profit
community
over
commercialism
and
quiet
overcome
s
commerce.
Q
Q
He
is
honored
in
the
creativity
in
progress
panel
in
a
wall
mural
as
you
enter
apopka
elementary,
but
if
you
really
want
to
honor
harry
p,
ussler
treat
his
neighborhood
and
his
grandchildren
as
you
would
your
own
vote.
No,
if
you're
not
willing
to
have
an
automated
car
wash
as
your
next-door
neighbor,
don't
vote
for
another
special
exception
that
would
make
one
mine
and
just
before
I
end,
I
want
to
address
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up
by
this
gentleman
here
in
regards
to
a
cut
through
from
new
hampshire.
Q
It's
already
happening.
People
have
torn
down
that
rolling
fence.
They
drive
over
it.
They
go
right
on
through.
We
are
less
than
maybe
a
little
over
a
mile
from
apopka
high
school.
I
mean
I
was
one
young.
I
know
what
it's
like
to
be
in
your
car
and
get
out
of
school
you're
going
to
head
to
the
nearest
exit.
That's
maine
down
to
old
dixie
highway
by
the
wawa
and
that's
new
hampshire
right
by
my
house.
Q
Q
Q
We're
talking
about
12
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
in
one
of
the
letters
that
they
wrote,
the
owners
also
said
we
welcome
fundraising.
We
actively
promote
fundraising
and
so
on
my
weekends
will
I
get
to
sleep
in
probably
not
I'm
going
to
hear
car
wash
radios,
music
engines
and
I'll
get
to
spell
exhaust.
R
My
name
is
brandon
peterson.
My
address
is
1514
klauser
avenue,
orlando
florida
32804,
and
I
am
the
owner
of
the
proposed
car
wash,
and
I
wanted
to
note
that
I
hear
you
and
I
understand
where
she's
coming
from,
and
there
are
a
couple
things
that
we've
done
additional
that
haven't
been
brought
up
to
your
attention
that
we
wanted
to
address
as
far
as
the
noise,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
proposed
to
do.
Actually
we
are
planning
to
do
either
way.
R
There
are
silencers.
That
is
a
newer
equipment
that
we
can
purchase
and
that's
something
that
we
are
intending
on
doing
either
way,
so
that
will
actually
keep
a
lot
of
the
volume
down
and
currently
she's
right.
There
are
people
that
cut
through
there
right
now
and
that's
that's
the
way
it
is
currently
once
we.
If,
if
and
so
we
do
move
forward,
I
don't
want
people
cutting
through
there,
which
would
eliminate
the
problem.
R
I
anticipate
if,
if
there's
people
cutting
through
there
I'll
be
putting
speed
bumps
in
there
before
you
guys
could
tell
me
to
do
it
because
I
don't
want
people
cutting
through
the
property
and
the
the
pork
chop
that
we're
looking
to
put
in
there
in
the
end
has
been
very,
very
thoroughly
mentioned
to
us
that
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
a
right
in
and
a
write
out
only
and
that's
going
to
eliminate
a
lot
of
people
want
to
cut
in
because
they
can't
just
go
anywhere.
They
want
at
that
point.
R
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
address
a
couple
of
the
issues
I
was
hearing
with
you
guys
to
let
you
know
that
that
traffic
is
going
to
be
controlled.
Also,
if
I
can
point
at
one
other
thing,
the
vacuums
in
here
top
top
top
one
there
you
go.
The
vacuums
are
only
in
the
center
they're,
not
on
this
side
of
the
building.
So
this
is
a
buffer,
as
he
had
mentioned
earlier,
but
they're
also
not
down
by
the
road
which
is
where
the
funeral
home
is.
R
So
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
noise
towards
the
edge
of
either
side,
they're
they're
contained
more
or
less
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
notices
to
you
guys
about.
You
know
we're
very
conscientious
about
the
noise
and
the
traffic
like.
It
is
a
concern
that
we
don't
want
people
cutting
through
our
property.
R
We
don't
want
to
make
a
disturbance
for
any
of
our
neighbors
in
I
will
say
if
it's
not
us,
somebody's
come
in
there
to
do
traffic
or
business
eventually,
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
was
noted
by
the
city.
Is
they
actually
for
our
car
wash
they
wanted
to
have
they
have
to
have
dual
access
to
the
property,
so
that
is
a
mandatory
ask
of
the
city,
so
I
mean
I
totally
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
would
totally
do
everything
I
can
to
be
understanding
to
your
position
as
well.
R
I
E
E
R
No,
it
wouldn't
at
all,
okay,
it
wouldn't
at
all.
But
being
that
it's
a
requirement,
I
mean
we
felt
obligated
that
we
had
the
ability
to
put
it
in
the
back
and
if
the
street's
there
so
and
what
was
the
young
lady's
name
that's
up
here.
Sometimes
that
was
she
keeps
bringing
up
the
topic
of
him.
R
Kind
of
said,
if
she
sees
traffic,
not
abiding
by
the
pork
chop,
that
she
would
be
quick
to
close
that
exit.
So
she's
already
made
a
note
to
us
about
that.
E
I
I
R
R
F
R
Again
that
that
buffer
in
the
back
is
substantial,
we
felt
like
a
lot
of
the
businesses.
Don't
have
a
25
foot
buffer,
we
pushed
ourselves
back
and
then
we
put
the
building
adjacent
to
the
road.
Therefore,
it
would
deflect
a
lot
of
noise
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
plants
behind
there.
So
I
don't
really
think
we're
gonna
have
a
very
strong
presence
on
old
dixie.
To
be
honest
with
you,
I
just
don't
see
it.
I
what
what
my
distribution
manufacturing
company
had
said?
R
Yeah
yeah,
I
do,
I
sure,
do
there's
one
right
now.
There's
an
octopus
on
1792
that
backs
up
right
to
houses.
Are
you
familiar.
F
F
R
S
R
P
The
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
we're
not
proposing
as
a
wall
as
far
as
like
a
screening
wall,
but
that
back
up
part
of
the
building
is
actually
all
enclosed.
So
there's
no
opening
to
have
any
noise
from
the
equipment
to
actually
go
out
and
north
side
of
the
building
so
on
this
side
of
the
building.
Here
on
that,
that's
all
going
to
be
closed
off
to
where
there
wouldn't
be
the
ability
for
the
noise
actually
from
inside,
where
the
equipment
is
to
get
out
to
the
north
to
face
the
north.
R
R
H
H
You
talked
about
the
reason
why
there
has
to
be
two
entrances
for
safety
for
fire
police.
What
have
you,
but
I
use
city,
wash
a
lot
myself.
H
You
know
the
bigger
piece
of
property.
This
is
smaller,
but
I
only
see
one
way
in
and
out
for
a
city
car
wash.
It's
not
like
this
one
where
you
have
they're.
I
H
Okay,
so
now,
if
this
ex
special
exception
were
to
be
approved,
the
gentleman
is
talking
about
all
these
improvements
that
he
could
make
to
satisfy
noise
issues
and
traffic
issues,
and
it
sounds
like
well.
If
it's,
if
it's
approved,
I
I
will
do
it.
No,
I
like
I
like
to
see
it
he's.
I
Right
he's
already
done
everything
that
that
the
code
allows
and
then
some
by
doing
a
central
car
vacuum,
the
motors
in
the
middle,
with
a
in
with
an
enclosure
so
from
there.
The
only
thing
that
you
have
is
the
vacuum
itself,
not
the
motor
similar
to
what
I
think
it's
the
sweetwater
car
wash
down
by
wawa
at
high
washing
441..
I
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
used
that
one,
but
that
one
they
actually
have
the
car
vacuums
right
there
at
the
the
the
the
car
where
you're
vacuuming
itself.
This
is
a
different
model
where
they
actually
put
them
the
motors
centrally
located
versus
at
each
of
the
each
of
the
vacuum
stations.
H
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
he's
also
saying
that
he,
the
with
the
vacuum,
equip
equipment
itself
there's
a
way
of
minimizing
the
sound
that
it
puts
out.
Did
you
say
that.
R
There's
a
there's
what
they
have
is
called
silencers
and
they're
actually
part
of
the
car
wash
equipment.
You
we've
all
driven
through
a
car
wash
before
when
you
get
to
the
end.
The
loudest
part
of
it
is
the
blowers
that
would
blow
off
the
water,
and
that
is
something
I'm
anticipating
putting
on
this
car
wash
yes,
sir,
but.
A
H
A
Analogy
or
the
the
difference
would
be
the
one
at
by
wawa
at
piedmont.
They
have
individual
vacuums
with
motors
and
blowers
right
there,
and
then
you
go
to
the
sweetwater
car
wash
over.
Here.
I
think
the
sweetwater,
whatever
the
one
is,
they
have
a
giant
blower
unit
inside
a
building
just
like
he
was
describing
and
then
a
distribution.
I
was
kind
of
like
the
old
houses
that
had
the
vacuum
in
the
garage.
A
R
R
No,
it's
already
shown
right
here.
Yeah.
We
already
have
a
drawing
with
the
square
around
the
motors
right
there,
so
we've
already
contained
the
noise
outside
and
we're
containing
the
noise
inside.
So
we've
already
thought
of
all
this
to
try
to
be
as
helpful
as
possible.
You
know
so
that's
our
goal.
H
R
A
A
And
and
again
I
I
understand
the
concerns
of
a
homeowner,
and
I
the
the
reciprocal
of
that,
is
that
that's
a
you,
know,
commercial
area,
that's
being
built
up
and
from
personal
experience.
I
know
that
wawa
is
incredibly
loud
at
11
o'clock
at
night,
there's:
music,
blaring
and
cars
zooming
in
and
out
of
there.
So
I
I
would
think
in
the
the
bigger
picture,
of
course,
adding
something
to
it
exacerbates
the
problem.
But
you
know
it's
it's
gosh.
A
I
don't
want
to
don't
want
to
minimize
it,
but
it's
not
like
that's,
peaceful
and
serene
and
quiet
back
there
at
night.
It's
not
a
popular
bull
bar
in
that
area
is
pretty
loud
and
I
don't
know
that
the
car
wash
itself
closing
at
eight
o'clock
at
night
is
going
to
be.
You
know
the
source
of
a
noise
or
irritant
in
that
area.
A
Again,
it's
a
frontage
road.
You
know,
apopka
boulevard
is
right
up
against
a
large
commercial
area
and
a
large
you
know
thoroughfare.
So
I
just
think
that's
you
know
an
outcropping
of
where
it's
at
there's
been
commercial
buildings
there.
I
don't
know
what
was
on
that
particular
property
before,
but.
A
G
E
G
E
E
Is
there
some
way
that
we
could
come
up
with
a
middle
ground
on
there
and
say
if
we're
going
to
have
it
back,
could
we
close
it
after
business
hours
to
keep
you
from
coming
through
there
during
because
so
so
it
closed
8
o'clock
at
night,
8
30
people
are
going
to
be
driving
through
there.
You
know,
there's
nobody
there
to
stop
it.
If
there's
not
a
gate
or
something,
and
I
can
say
that
sweetwater
car
wash,
there
is
a
gate,
a
gate
that
comes
down
to
keep
people
from
driving
through.
E
E
E
R
T
R
H
I
have
one
more
question,
mr
chairman:
much
like
the
city
car
wash.
I
think
that's
what
it's
called
they.
They
have
a
sound
system
and
they're
playing
music
to
entertain
their
customers.
Correct.
R
Are
you
going
to
do
the
same
thing,
there's
actually
a
very
valid
reasoning
that
they
do
that
compared
to
some
other
car
washes
and
if
you.
G
R
That
are
kind
of
not
as
decently
put
together.
You
could
say
they
don't
have
a
sound
system
and
the
reason
or
the
logic
behind
that
is,
if
they're
not
playing
music
and
when
they
do
play
music
by
the
way,
you
literally
can't
hear
it
if
you're
vacuuming,
when
you
can't
hear
their
sound
system
from
far
away
it's
very
low,
but
the
reason
that
they
put
it
there
is
so
that
they
can
control
the
environment,
because
at
that
point
they
put
up
signs.
It
says
we
play
the
music
here.
Not
you
please,.
R
You
know
the
signs
posted
we
like
to
keep
the
volume
down
here,
so
it's
actually
something
that
it's
been
kind
of
corrected
over
the
years
with
the
car
washes
because
you
did
get
that
in
prior
car
washes.
Yes,
sir!
So
to
answer
your
question?
Yes,
but
it's
it's
actually
a
fix
from
a
problem
that
was
having.
H
Okay,
I
understand
that
makes
sense.
Will
ms
oscar
hear
it?
I'm
sorry
we'll
miss.
Let's
us
hear
the
music.
K
Do
anything
you
want
within
the
limits
of
right?
You
know
the
problem
that
I'm
having
I've
listened.
You
know
to
every
word
trying
to
justify
this
and
the
problem
that
I'm
having
is
here
in
town.
We
have
so
many
incredible
historic
places,
they're
going
under
the
plow
they're
going.
You
know,
they're
being
surrounded
and
squeezed
out,
and
I
I
don't
know
I
just.
K
K
Mount
pleasant
or
something
whatever
it
was
where
that
was
all
going
to
go
through,
but
the
apartment
complex
is
brand
new.
You
probably
wouldn't
even
hear
a
gunshot
out
in
the
street
because
the
houses
are
very
sound
and
etc,
but
I
just
I
just
have
a.
I
just
have
a
problem
with
that
kind
of.
If
it
was
an
office
building,
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
at
all.
R
Can
I
ask
you
a
question
so
have
have
you
seen
with
the
watch
city?
Have
you
guys
noticed
what
they
look
like
appearance,
wise?
It's
a
very
clean,
modern,
it's
a
very
nice!
Look,
it's
a
very
clean
look
and
from
what
it
is
now
compared
to
what
it
will
be.
I
think
it's
a
massive
improvement
in
your
major
corridor
that
you,
when
you
guys
drive
down
441
compared
to
the
way
things
look
right
now.
R
I
think
you
would
actually
be
very
surprised
on
how
nice
this
would
look
when
you
drive
down
41
compared
to
the
building
and
the
the
overgrown
area
that
it
is
currently.
K
I'm
more
concerned
with
the
quality
of
life
of
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
apopka,
and
I
think
about
the
things
that
we've
done,
things
that
we
haven't
done
and
the
things
that
we
might
do
and
all
of
that
has
to
factor
in
you
know.
Growth
is
inevitable
all
well
and
good,
and
I
understand
that.
But
when
a
car
comes
out
of
the
car
wash
even
with
the
blowers,
the
underbelly
is
still
going
to
be
wet.
K
And
you
know
I
keep
envisioning
people
peeling
off
so
and
that
would
be
a
danger
at
some
level
because.
I
Anyway,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
they
started
doing
the
vacuums
after
the
car
wash
rather
than
before,
so
that
they
don't
go
out
on
the
road
with
it
wet
still
and
have
soap,
and
things
like
that.
That
was
a
problem
that
one
of
the
car
washes
down
in
claremont
had
is
that
they
did
the
vacuums
first
and
then
they
went
through,
and
then
they
went
out
on
one
of
the
side,
roads
and
it
it
got
dirty
and
messy
and
quite
frankly,
not
not
not
safe.
I
R
One
thing
if
I
can
to
address
your
point
about
servicing
the
community
and
what's
good
for
the
community,
a
few
of
the
options
that
we're
going
to
offer
is
going
to
be
free.
Towels
people
can
dry
off
their
car
so
that
after
they
get
out,
they
are
going
to
be
able
to
dry
off
their
car.
We're
also
going
to
offer
free
air
to
spray
out.
R
You
know
the
cracks,
the
crevice
of
your
seat
and
one
thing
we
are
doing
additional
that
some
most
car
washers
aren't
going
to
be
doing,
which
is
we're
going
to
actually
add
an
ability
to
check
your
tire
pressure
and
fill
up
your
tire
to
the
right
and
that's
all
free
after
you
go
through
the
car
wash.
So
it's
going
to
be
enticing
after
you
leave
the
tunnel
to
actually
stop
and
use
the
free
amenities,
that's
what
people
are
paying
for.
E
R
H
Question
for
you,
what
about
lighting.
H
So
I'm
just
I'm
just
imagining
living
next
door.
I
H
I
Blinking,
it's
one
foot
candle
at
the
property
line.
That's
basically
it
it's
it's!
It's
not
a
street
light
which
they
do
have
along
along
old
dixie,
there's
different
portions
that
do
have
street
lights,
and
it's
less
than
that.
I
I
don't
know
if
they
still
and
that's
for
a
safety
thing
for
because
people
are
going
in
and
out
of.
D
R
R
This
is
quite
a
bit
of
stacking
that
goes
all
the
way
through,
and
these
are
going
to
be
self-prep,
so
you'll
have
basically
when
you
pull
in
these
are
going
to
be
buckets
that
you
can
grab
kind
of
a
brush
if
you've
got
love,
bug
stuff
like
that
before
you
even
get
up
to
the
wash.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
hit
your
rims,
you
know
bugs.
R
It
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
ability
to
specialize
on
what
part
of
the
vehicle
that
you
wanted.
You
know,
maybe
some
somebody
got
paint
on
your
car
or
something
like
that.
These
are
just
self-prep,
and
this
is
all
stacking
lane
here.
So
this
is.
P
Pretty
significant,
okay
so
basically
from
the
corner,
make
sure
sorry
about
the
curve
up
to
the
pace
stations.
That's
roughly
about
100
feet.
So
you
end
up
basically
getting
about
five
cars
on
each
road,
so
you've
got
at
least
10
cars
before
you
even
get
down
to
the
corner.
Plus
you've
got
the
extra
distance
to
back
up.
So
we've
tried
to
push
it
around
there
to
try
to
make.
Q
P
These
cross-hatched
areas
here
that
are
within
the
drive
air
lanes,
that's
where
a
majority
of
the
storm
water
is
going
to
be
in
underground,
perforated
pipes
to
hold
the
water
percolated
the
ground
and
then
there's
a
small
shallow
swale
that
runs
around
that
help
collect
some
water
from
the
outside
and,
ultimately
discharge
offsite,
as
it
does
today.
P
Q
P
P
North,
so
we'd
be
going
into
the
same
inlet
that
it
does
today
and
then
going
out,
and
so
we
got
to
meet
those
certain
requirements
from
the
city
and
also
from
the
state
with
regards
to
saint
john's,
in
order
to
take
and
treat
the
water
on
site
in
order
to
take
and
hold
a
certain
amount
on
the
site
before
you
discharge,
then
once
we
discharge
we'll
do
the
same
discharge
as
it
is
today.
E
I
think
I
think
I
know
I
say
I
think
this
is
obviously
a
challenging
one,
because
when
I
think
of
that
property,
I
just
don't
see
a
use
case
where
a
doctor's
office
or
a
an
office
building
would
go,
go
there.
You
know
surrounded
by
gas
stations
and
automotive
supplies
and
car
sales.
I
think
this
is
a
congruent
usage
and
it's
obviously
a
challenging
one,
but
I'm
okay
with
supporting
it.
I
And
you
can
add
that
required
gate
closure.
E
S
A
motion
you're
moving
to
to
approve
the
special
exception
pursuant
to
stats
recommendation,
adding
a
condition
of
approval
which
states
that
the
access
points
are
to
be
closed,
providing
some
type
of
a
barrier
or
gate
during
non-business
hours.
I
would
add
to
make
sure
that
whatever
barriers
are
placed,
that
there
be
some
form
of
access
for
emergency
services
after
hours
like
a
knox
box
or
those
issues,
so
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
either
the
police
department
or
fire
department
for
for
such
access
in
the
event
of
a
of
an
unlikely
or
even
unforeseen.
S
G
A
All
righty
the
item
three
of
the
site
plans,
laurel
oaks,
single-family
major
development,
brand
plan
owner
diane,
reed
goolsby,
deborah
reed,
wilberger,
diane,
donahoe
and
dwana
mcclure
location
is
east
of
state
road,
429,
west
of
plymouth,
sorrento,
road
and
south
of
kelly
park.
Road.
C
The
laurel
oak
single
family,
major
development
plan
proposes
the
development
of
a
121
lot
subdivision,
consisting
of
single-family
detached
residences.
The
residential
units
will
have
a
minimum
lot
width
of
55
feet.
There
are
no
minimum
or
maximum
living
area
standards
and
lot
size
requirements
in
the
kpi
form-based
code
area.
C
The
kpi
form-based
code
requires
developments
within
the
neighborhood
overlay
to
dedicate
a
minimum
of
20
percent
of
land
area
for
open
space.
The
apple
camp
proposes
an
amenity
open
space
package
that
consists
of
23
percent
of
the
project
area,
including
an
eight
foot
wide
multi-purpose
trail
from
the
southern
end
of
the
subdivision,
to
the
north
terminus,
to
promote
connectivity
between
developments
also
to
encourage
pedestrian
traffic
away
from
plymouth
rental
road
and
lead
to
an
internal
passive
path.
C
E
So
when
I
was
looking
through
this
this
one,
I'm
as
I
mentioned
the
last
meeting,
I'm
very
interested
in
the
the
foliage
plans
for
these
kind
of
developments,
and
I
noticed
that
there
was
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
trees
that
were
being
torn
down
oak
trees,
which
is
kind
of
ironic,
given
it's
called
laurel
oak.
But
the
question
I
had
was
that
I
was
looking
through
the
replacement
trees
and
there
was
a
lot
of
maples
and
holly
and
other
type
of
trees,
and
I
understand
it's
probably
all
done
to
to
city
code.
E
But
again,
that's
those
aren't
necessarily
native
trees
in
that
area
and
in
the
northwest
area
of
our
city.
You
know,
and
and
as
best
I
could
tell
the
I
think
it
was
an
autumn
autumn.
Maple
isn't
a
native
tree
to
florida
that
that
variant
that
was
listed
in
here
best
I
could
tell,
and
so
my
question
is-
and
it's
just
a
thought-
and
you
guys
can
take
this
back.
C
C
So
we
can
certainly
make
sure
of
that,
but
based
on
our
on
our
list,
they
met
code.
G
C
C
So
we're
a
little
bit
tight
for
space
and
in
terms
of
certain
larger
type
of
shade
trees.
I
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
push
the
if,
if
they
want
to
do
live
oaks,
not
laurels
right.
If
they
want
to
do
live
oaks,
we
try
to
push
those
to
the
exterior
the
buffer
areas.
The
pond
areas,
things
like
that
versus
street
trees,
like
gene,
mentioned
the
street
trees.
We
are
having
issues
with
those
most
all
cities,
because
that
was
the
cheap
tree
to
go
to.
They
were
fast
growers.
They.
I
And
the
problem
was
that
the
they
have
very
aggressive
root
structures
that
damaged
sidewalks
and
they
damaged
utilities
they
damaged
streets.
So
we've
gone
away
from
that.
So
obviously,
when
we
try
to
get
a
street
tree,
we're
going
with
ones
that
are
a
little
bit
less
root
aggressive
and
in
doing
those
oak
trees,
everybody
loves
an
oak
tree
when
they
get
nice
and
big
and
they,
you
know,
have
a
good
look,
but
you
got
to
have
it
in
the
right
place.
Nowadays,.
E
G
C
Trees,
if
we're
not
able
to
to
meet
plant
size
with
requirements
to
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
so.
G
F
J
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
find
proposed:
laura
oak
single
home
major
development
plan,
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
recommend
approval
of
the
major
development
plan.
Based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
reports
and
exhibits.
A
G
A
F
A
All
righty
summary:
it's
ridge,
429
owner
llc,
cara,
mark
smiley,
pe
1403,
south
benion
road
reprove
crest
to
approve
of
variance,
allow
maximum
retaining
wall
height
of
15
feet
in
lowest
six
feet.
C
C
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
variance
from
land
development
code,
section
5.5.11
in
which
retaining
walls
are
restricted
to
a
maximum
height
of
six
feet.
The
applicant
asserts
that
to
accommodate
the
steep
slope
on
the
western
side
of
the
property,
the
proposed
retaining
walls
exceed
six
feet
in
height
in
this
area,
requesting
the
15-foot
height
shown
are
the
renderings
of
the
proposed
retaining
walls.
C
The
variance
process
includes
two
steps.
The
first
step
is
that
the
planning
commission
shall
make
an
initial
determination
of
the
sections.
Two
point:
five
point:
five,
eight
five,
a
one
through
three,
as
outlined
in
the
staff
report
and
step
two-
is
once
a
positive
initial
determination
is
made.
The
commission
shall
make
positive
findings
that
the
applicant
demonstrates.
There
is
competent,
substantial
evidence
in
the
record
on
each
of
the
nine
items.
As
listed
on
your
staff
report,
there
are
no
objections
from
staff
on
the
nine
variance
criteria.
Responses.
C
The
development
review
committee,
including
the
city
engineer,
has
no
objection
to
the
applicant's
request
for
land
development
code
section
2.5.
The
planning
commission
decision
shall
be
one
of
the
following
approval
of
the
variance
approval
of
the
variance
subject
to
modification
and
or
condition
or
denial
of
the
variance
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
Thank.
F
Yes,
I
do
so
the
retaining
wall
won't
be
higher
than
necessary.
I
assume
correct,
correct
and
there'll
be
a
metal
fence
on
top
of
it.
Yes,
like
an
illustrated.
I
Yeah
yeah
they've
got
a
metal
metal
fence
on
it.
I
I
It's
basically
for
view
when,
when
you
have
a
retaining
wall,
that's
six
feet:
you
can
usually
put
a
shrub
or
something
in
front
of
it
to
so
that
it
looks
not
like
a
big
wall
and
also
most
fences
are
six
foot
tall,
so
we
usually
limit
the
the
retaining
wall
to
six
feet,
but
this
is
gonna.
Look
like
a
big
ball.
This
is
definitely
a
big
wall,
but
it
is
interior.
I
If,
if
you
are
on
site
doing
business
at
that
location,
yes,
you
will
see
it
okay,
but
from
a
normal
road
either
either
the
road
along
the
414
outside
the
property
won't
be
able
to
see
it
correct,
correct
and
and
even
the
interior
of
the
development
you
won't
be
able
to
see
it
unless
you're
actually
doing
business
at
that
site,
driving
a
big
truck
or
something
like
that.
I'm
good
with
that.
Thank
you
sure.
Okay,.
A
S
I
Jim
has
it
he
can
read
it
yeah
the
the
way
it
reads
right
now.
It
says
the
purpose
of
this
section
is
to
establish
a
uniform
mechanism
to
allow
certain
variances
from
the
dimensional
standards,
such
as
height
yard,
setback
and
and
lot
area,
and
certain
development
standards
of
the
land
development
code.
Article
5,
when
their
strict
application
would
result
in
unnecessary
hardship
that
one
it's
applicable
for
this
and
for
winn-dixie.
However,
what
we're
adding
what
we're
proposing
this
is.
I
A
hardship
may
be
created
by
the
surroundings,
shape
or
topographical
conditions,
particular
to
that
specific
property
hardship.
However,
the
hardship
cannot
be
self-imposed
or
the
result
of
a
property
owner's
own
action,
so
that
way,
that
would
still
work
for
this
type
of
a
property,
because
it
is
the
property
itself
that
is
roly-poly.
I
guess
you
know
that's
a
great
word,
but
but
if
it's
rolly
or
we
had
the
same
problem
when
I
was
down
in
claremont
climate's
a
lot
more.
I
Yes,
yeah
that
will
be
part
of
one
of
our
glitch
amendments
that
that
we're
outlining
right
now
we're.
F
I
Trying
to
wait
till
after
the
the
budget
gets
done
in
the
end
of
september,
and
so
we'll
probably
bring
be
bringing
it
before
you
october
november,
more
than
likely
november
december.
F
A
D
I'll
make
a
motion,
mr
chairman,
approve
of
variance
to
allow
a
maximum
retaining
wall
height
of
15
feet
in
lieu
of
the
six
feet,
subject
to
the
exhibits
and
findings
of
the
staff
report.
Thank.
J
G
A
E
I
just
have
one
thing:
okay,
a
correction,
something
I
said
last
time.
I
this
has
bothered
me
a
little
bit
because
I
said
I
would
be
objective
when
it
comes
to
the
opinions
and
subjective
land
development
code,
but
I
actually
had
that
reversed.
So
whenever
I
was
given
my
speech,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
use
the
words
correctly.