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From YouTube: Apopka Planning Commission Meeting April 12, 2022
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Apopka Planning Commission Meeting at City Hall on April 12, 2022 at 5:30 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: http://www.apopka.net/agenda #CityofApopkaFL #ApopkaPlanningCommission
A
A
Our
first
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
planning
commission
meeting
held
on
february
8
and
march
8..
Does
anyone
have
any
changes
to
the
minutes
and,
if
not,
do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
them
for
both
meetings
motion
by
commissioner
ryan?
Is
there
a
second
second
second
by
commissioner
gusher?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
then
we'll
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say,
nay,
and
that
carries
unanimously.
A
Okay.
At
the
beginning
of
each
meeting
we
have
a
public
comment
period.
There
will
also
be
a
public
comment
period
for
each
item
on
the
agenda,
but
if
you
have
any
general
comments,
other
than
an
item
on
the
agenda,
now's
the
time
to
make
them
and
seeing
none
will
proceed,
we're
going
to
make
a
slight
change
in
order
of
the
of
the
agenda,
we'll
do
the
the
code
of
ordinances.
First,
mr
head
has
another
commitment
so
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
him
out
of
here
early.
B
C
To
say,
we
have
any
longer
ones
later
on,
but
this
is
the
this
set
of
what
we
call
those
just
for
clarifications,
corrections
or
new
proportions
for
the
land
development
code
itself.
In
this
case,
we're
affecting.
D
Excuse
me
three
articles
and
we've
got
two
or
three
sections
of
the
of
the
appendix
a
which
is
from
the
mixed-use
kelly
park.
Interchange
portion
of
the
land
of
element
code,
the
first
one
I'll
do
I'll
be
brief,
and
if
you
all
have
any
specific
questions
or
something
like
that,
just
obviously
just
let
me
know
and
I'll
I'll
go
through
those
and
answer
those
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
out
in
an
older
section
of
apopka,
just
north
of
where
the
winn-dixie
is
going
in
our
in
our
downtown.
D
There
are
four
areas
of
mobile
home
park
districts,
it's
they're,
actually
separate
blocks.
There
are
some
single-family
homes
in
those,
though
there
are
some
quite
a
few
mobile
homes,
but
we've
been
getting
requests
for
single-family
homes
that
are
new
and,
unfortunately,
our
the
way
our
mobile
home
park
ordinance
is
written.
It
does
not
allow
for
single-family
homes
because
it's
a
mobile
home
park.
So
what
we've
done?
D
D
Putting
in
permitted
uses
for
certain
certain
items,
such
as
open
space
uses
we're
putting
those
as
permitted
uses
in
basically
every
district,
because
there's
nothing
wrong
with
having
open
space.
D
Another
thing
that
we
put
in
was
eating
and
drinking
establishments.
We
didn't
think
anything
was
wrong
with
alcoholic
beverages
in
an
il
district
industrial
low.
That's
actually,
where
brewery
started
down
in
fort
lauderdale
was
they
were
only
allowed
in
industrial
areas.
So
we
thought
yeah,
that's
kind
of
flexibility.
There
also
office
uses
we're
not
allowed
in
the
mixed
use,
downtown
where'd.
We
miss
that
one
so
we're
putting
that
one
back
as
a
permitted
use
banks
there's
a
special
exception
in
office
district,
we're
putting
that
as
permitted
uses.
D
Little
like,
I
said
little
things
like
this
consumer
goods
establishments
permitted
uses
in
an
il
district,
drug
stores
and
pharmacies
permitted
uses
in
office
and
in
il
ils
also
they're
they're.
The
industrial
districts
are
becoming
a
little
bit
more
flexible
in
terms
of
their
use.
It's
not
just
industrial
all
the
time.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
are
working
there
have
some
of
those
potential
uses
in
their
area.
Also
grocery
stores,
instead
of
a
mixed
use
or
instead
of
a
special
exception
in
downtown
permitted
use
it
just
kind
of
makes
sense.
D
D
Arboretums,
we
also
put
those
in-
I
think,
every
district,
except
for
industrial.
So
if
you
can
have
a
a
place
where
greenhouses
are
that's
good,
single-family
residential,
this
is
probably
one
of
the
biggest
parts.
We've
always
struggled
a
little
bit
with
re,
with
the
requirement
of
how
many
trees
for
what
size
lots.
D
Gene
sanchez,
our
one
of
our
planners
who's,
also
working
for
towards
her
arborist,
worked
with
a
couple
of
the
main
agencies
in
the
state
in
regards
to
getting
a
a
level
of
square
footage
for
how
many
trees
on
what
square
footage
lot.
Obviously,
when
you
put
a
a
house
on
a
lot
and
then
you
put
a
screen
room
or
a
pool
or
something
like
that,
it
kind
of
takes
away
where
you
can
put
any
type
of
any
type
of
a
tree.
D
So
we've
we've
got
a
a
set
of
requirements
for
residential
one
single
and
two
family
residential
lot:
trees,
ranging
from
five
thousand
square
feet
up
to
over
twenty
000
square
feet
and
ranges
from
one
tree
up
to
six
canopy
trees.
D
We
also
have
a
a
list
of
tree
planting
of
trees
for
along
with
their
their
common
name
in
their
scientific
name,
and
these
are
ones
that
can
be
used
in
in
a
multiple
of
areas,
but
we
also
have
a
requirement
for,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
landscape
buffer,
what
should
or
should
not
be
used.
Typically,
if
you
have
something
that's
four
or
five
feet
and
wide,
you
don't
want
to
put
a
an
oak
tree
there,
because
oak
trees,
of
course
pick
up
pavement.
D
Sign
types
always
running
into
a
little
bit
of
glitches
here.
This
clarified
the
square
footage
how
it's
calculated
and
then
also
there
was
another
line
that
was
in
there
that
that
the
contractor
that
the
contrary
to
put
together
the
land
development
code
put
in
that
said,
the
area
all
primary
and
secondary
wall
signs
shall
be
counted
towards
the
maximum
square
footage
allowed
by
this
code
for
wall
signage.
D
It
didn't
really
make
sense,
because
the
front
sign,
if
you
calculate
it
right,
has
a
maximum
200
square
feet
and
then
your
side
sign
if
it's
on
another
street
front,
can
go
up
to
50
percent
of
that
frontage.
So
the
way
this
read,
we
really
didn't
know
how
to
interpret
it.
That's
how
I
wanted
to
interpret
it,
but
it
really
wasn't
clear.
So
we
just
took
that
line
out.
We've
got
enough
information
with
the
with
the
code.
D
The
way
it
reads
for
a
front
and
a
side
or
a
secondary
wall
sign
not
to
read
that
it
counts
towards
your
total.
Of
course
it
counts
towards
the
total.
It's
you
know:
200
maximum
and
100
if
it's
200
on
the
front.
So
it's
just
a
lot
simpler
without
that
extra
line
that
more
confused
more
people
in
the
appendix
a
which
is
the
form
based
code
area.
D
There's
a
couple
areas
that
in
regards
to
densities,
that
we
wanted
to
clarify
also
for
the
density
for
the
interchange
area,
which
is
the
main
cross
section
between
the
state,
road,
429
and
kelly
park
road.
We
had
a
minimum
density
of
7.5
and
we
actually
reduced
that
down
to
5.
it's
sometimes
what
I'm
hoping
for
is
that
we
get
more
commercial
in
those
areas.
Without
requirement
of
that
7.5
you
can
obviously
in
the
interchange
area,
they
can't
put
the
residential
up
above
the
commercial
and
that's
what
we're
hoping
for.
D
But
when
you
do
that
it,
it
usually
tightens
up
the
the
the
amount
of
density
that
you
can
put
in
there.
We
didn't
change
our
maximum,
the
maximum,
still
10,
and
then
we've
got
a
15
with
with
a
bonus
and
for
the
interchange
area.
If
we
can
get
an
apartment
complex
on
top
of
some
commercial,
it's
going
to
be
a
home
run
for
that
area.
D
The
other
one
that
came
up
was
with
street
standards
and
there's
a
diagram
actually
in
there
with
the
alleyways.
This
is
in.
We
did
a
review
with
the
fire
department
and
because
we
do
allow
for
alleys,
when
the
lots
are
less
than
50
feet,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
fire
trucks
could
still
get
down
an
alley
and
the
way
this
was
originally
reading.
The
alley
was
gonna
basically
was
gonna,
be
seven
feet,
eight,
nine,
like
nine
feet
or
so
total.
Well,
the
trucks
are
nine
to
ten
feet
wide.
D
So
what
we
did?
We
we
made
the
pavement
area.
The
actual
drive
area
is
14
feet
with
two
feet
for
the
curb
and
shoulder
area,
so
basically
you're
getting
an
effective
18
feet
of
travel
lanes
and
the
fire
department
was
cheering
me
for
that
one.
So
we
don't
have
as
much
to
worry
about
with
the
fire
department
and
accessing
those
alleyways
that
we
require
the
other
one
that
that
came
up
was
in
one
of
the
districts
on
street
parking.
They
had
actually
gotten
down
to
seven
feet
and
I
don't
know
anybody.
D
D
So
I
I
bopped
that
up
to
eight
feet
and
the
diagram
that
was,
there
already
had
eight
feet,
so
the
diagram
and
the
requirement
did
not
match
so
we're
catching
those
little
ones
like
that,
and
then
the
big
one
that
came
up
this
one.
This
one
had
to
do
with
the
kelly
park,
northwest
area
that
you
had
seen
previously
they
had
applied
for
and
because
it's
in
the
code
we're
allowed
a
bonus,
bonus
density
based
on
public
park
land.
Now
they
put
in
the
right
number
parks,
they
spread
them
out.
D
Good,
there's
two
pools.
There's
two
parking
areas,
there's
multiple
parks
throughout
the
area,
but
they
got
a
density
bonus
because
they
put
in
public
parks
problem
is
there's
seven
800
units
up
there.
More
than
likely
the
people
that
are
there
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
are
using
it.
If
I
live
downtown,
I'm
not
going
to
go
up
there
to
use
a
public
park
most
most
developments.
Well,
let's
put
this
way:
any
development
with
over
250
units
already
has
a
public
park.
D
They
also
put
in
pocket
parks
and
dog
parks,
and
things
like
that
for
their
own
subdivisions,
so
they
aren't
going
to
jump
in
their
car
just
to
go
to
a
different
park
so
that
they
can
throw
a
frisbee.
So
what
we
are
doing
is
we're
taking
that
open
space
and
amenities
bonus
feature
out
of
the
land
development
code
for
the
kelly
park,
interchange
area
and
last
but
not
least,
there
was
one.
D
Actually
we
got
another
small
one.
After
this,
we
did
find
one
little
caveat
in
regards
to
the
single-family
architecture.
There
was
a
line
in
there
that
referred.
There
was
a
table
that
referred
to
a
maximum
height
limit
for
sheds
is
15
feet
and
we
had
another
table
that
basically
said
any.
D
Any
structures
that
accessory
structures
have
to
be
cannot
be
higher
than
the
house
height,
which
would
be
maximum
35
feet,
that'd,
be
like
a
two-story
house
or
something
so.
It
basically
said
in
one
area
15
feet
in
another
area.
It
said
the
height
of
the
house,
so
you
could
end
up
putting
a
shed
in
that's
as
high
as
the
house
and
we
didn't.
That
was
not
the
intent
either.
So
you
know
the
way
I
would
interpret
is
it's
15
feet,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
consistent
in
both
sections
of
the
code.
D
And
last
but
not
least,
this
is
one
that
actually
came
from
dr
olmsted
who's.
One
of
our
premier,
arborists
in
the
area,
artificial
turf
and
similar
products
cannot
be
used
in
place
of
natural,
natural
turf
grasses,
unless
approved
by
the
city
for
specific
uses.
So
certain
times,
yes,
we're
going
to
have
uses
that
they
can
go
with
artificial,
but
yards
should
be
grass
and
and
basically
where
it's
permeable
and
looks
good.
You
know
we
and
there's
actually
a
lot
of
hoa
documents.
D
Typically
we'll
say
you
have
to
have
real
grass,
so
we're
kind
of
mirroring
that
and
that's
the
main
part
that
I've
got
for
you.
F
I
was,
I
was
being
a
nuisance,
about
trees
relative
to
my
own
subdivision
and-
and
I
knew
this
was
coming
up.
So
thank
you
for
putting
it
in
here
quick
question
the
where
you
have
the
number
of
trees
per
square
footage
of
the
property.
D
E
D
Working
with
with
some
of
the
new
subdivisions
and
with
our
engineering
porsche
people
down
at
public
services,
there
was
always
a
question
regarding
street
trees
and
putting
those
they're
not
in
the
street
they're,
not
on
the
road
right
away,
because
that's
where
all
the
utility
lines
are
typically
done.
D
So
what
we
are,
what
we're
working
with
a
couple
of
developments
are
putting
in
street
or
tree
root
barriers,
changing
the
types
of
trees
that
can
go
in
so
they're,
not
root
aggressive
type
trees
like
a
like
an
oak
or
a
magnolia,
or
something
like
that.
We're
leaning
more
towards
some
give
me
a
couple.
Gene
come
on
east
palace,
hollies,
collies,.
G
D
Trees,
things
that
are
like
downtown
or
orlando
they've
got
a
lot
of
these
willow
type
trees
that
are
they're
all
over
the
place
and
you
don't
see
their
sidewalks
lifting
up.
They
do
put
columns
in
so
they
can't
disturb
the
the
sidewalks
as
much
but
they're
also
not
a
huge
root,
aggressive
type
tree.
E
F
Did
a
really
good
job,
one
last
thing
the
where
you
have
the
table
talking
tree
replacement
list
and
planting
strip
widths?
D
It
can
be
it
can,
it
can
be
or
or
it
can
also
be
landscape
buffers
around
properties,
whether
it's
typically
this
is
going
to
be,
where
you're,
where
you're
going
to
be
doing
commercial
or
office
or
non-residential
type
lots.
We
typically
don't
want
trees
in
a
six-foot
buffer
next
to
a
house
or
between
homes.
The
tree,
the
there's
there's
just
not
enough
space
for
a
tree
to
grow
healthy.
D
If
it's
between
a
house,
that's
the
the
tree
tree
should
usually
be
in
the
front
yard
of
the
backyard,
unless
you
have
a
large
lot
in
the
first
place.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
the
lots
are
going
in.
You
know
they're
anywhere
from
55
to
75
feet
for
the
majority
of
the
ones
that
are
being
built
right
now,.
D
A
F
Mr
chairman,
I
approve
the
amendment
to
the
land
development
committee
forward
to
the
apopka
city
council
for
consideration.
E
A
Second
by
commissioner
ryan,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
any
discussion.
Then
we'll
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say
no,
and
that
cares
unanimously.
A
A
And
we
will
go
back
to
pam
richmond
for
the
transportation
projects
update.
H
That's
right,
I'm
pam,
richmond,
the
transportation
coordinator
and
I
heard
y'all
were
interested
in
hearing
about
some
transportation
projects.
So
what
I
wanted
to
start
with
was
to
tell
you
how
we
fund
projects
we
we
fund
most
of
the
projects
through
transportation
and
pec
fees
that
are
collected
on
every
project.
H
Almost
every
project
that
comes
in
we
also
collect
proportionate
share.
If
that's
appropriate.
We
have
public
private
partnerships.
We
have
public
partnerships
like
some
of
the
projects
that
I'm
working
on
with
orange
county
and
then
grants
and
those
are
pretty
much
the
the
revenue
stream,
sometimes
there's
a
roadway
project
and
they
have
to
take
money
out
of
the
general
fund.
H
H
Road
we're
gonna,
widen
kelly
park,
road
from
just
west
of
golden
gem
to
just
east
of
jason
joelle
road
right
now,
we're
about
to
start
construction
on
the
signal
at
kelly
park
and
jason
dwelling
that
will
be
operational
by
july
31st
in
advance
of
the
school
opening
the
city
is,
is
paying
for
that
project
and
we're
doing
it
in
concert
with
the
school
district.
H
Interchange,
ramps,
they're,
going
to
pay
for
half
and
the
developers
are
going
to
pay
for
the
rest
and
then
we're
going
to
signalize
fe
golden
gem,
and
the
signal
farthest
to
the
the
west
is
at
the
entrance
to
a
new
development
that
developer
as
long
as
the
developer,
as
well
as
the
developer
with
the
rochelle
holdings
piece
help.
This
is
new.
H
I
was
looking
for
the
point:
stop
there
we
go
okay,
the
developer
of
this
parcel
up
here.
It's
I
don't
know
eight
hundred
two
residential
units
and
some
mixed
use,
and
then
this
is
the
rochelle
holdings
piece.
H
They
are
teaming
up
along
with
other
developers
in
the
area
and
we're
going
to
advance
the
design
and
construction
of
kelly
park
to
plymouth
sorrento.
This
road
is
golden
gem.
That's
a
county
road
we've
met
with
the
county
on
this
project.
They
understand
that
we're
going
to
make
improvements
to
the
northern
part
of
the
road
and
after
they
resurfaced
the
rest
of
the
road,
we'll
take
that
road
it'll
become
a
city
road.
H
We
have
got
the
right-of-way
and
we've
got
it
under
design
to
connect
sadler
road
from
plymouth
sorrento
road
did
I
miss
that
oh
yeah
from
we
have
this
part
under
design
right
now
we
have
all
the
right-of-way
that
we
need
and
when
rochelle
holdings
comes
in,
we'll
have
all
the
right-of-way.
We
need
here
to
connect
sadler
from
plymouth,
sorrento
to
golden
gem
and
ultimately
we're
getting
the
right-of-way
and
design
work
for
to
connect.
H
Sadler
road
all
the
way
over,
ultimately
to
441
that
one
just
you
know
we
wanted
to
do
that
and
all
the
pieces
just
fell
together
and
we'll
have
a
traffic
circle
or
roundabout
or
something
here
this
is
fe.
It
will
also
be
installed
with
the
rachelle
holdings
piece,
plymouth,
sorrento
road,
a
county
road.
We
work
with
the
county
on
this
project.
The
county
has
requested
that
we
get
right
away
every
time
we
annex
something
and
approve
a
development,
and
so
far
nobody's
told
us.
No,
we
get
30
feet
of
right
away.
H
So
when
the
county's
ready
we'll
talk
about
how
we're
going
to
get
that
widened,
so
everything
well
all
the
way
up
to
hoss
road
and
down
to
well
actually
all
the
way
down
to
connector
road
we're
taking
right
away.
H
Oh
and
then
the
last
one
is
over
here.
This
is
round
lake
and
kelly
park.
This
developer
is
adding
turn
lanes
here
and
whatever
else
we
need,
I
don't
think
a
signal
warrants
yet,
but
round
lake
is
a
county.
Road
kelly
park
is
the
city
so
because
the
developer
is
in
the
city,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
take
the
lead
on
that
project
and
do
it.
H
I
got
here:
okay,
so
starting
up
here
wesley
road
in
441.
There's
a
signal
coming
in
here.
This
is
in
orange,
county's
maintenance
area,
but
we
decided
to
take
the
signal
for
no
other
reason,
then
don't
be
offended
ron,
but
we're
easy
to
work
with
then,
and
the
county
is,
and
time
was
of
the
essence
and
the
county
did
not
object
to
us
taking
that
and
they
have
been
our
partner
on
that
project.
They
helped
with
review
comments
and
so
forth.
H
H
Is
the
next
signal
it's
at
apopka
airport,
road,
it's
being
designed
and
we're
going
to
share
the
cost
with
this
developer
and
then
the
developer,
that's
coming
in
on
the
seminary
site,
an
important
project,
dot,
I've
got
the
yellow,
highlighted
they're
doing
what's
called
a
triple
r
project,
it's
a
resurfacing
project
and
so
we're
all
working
together,
the
city,
the
county
and
d.o.t,
to
make
sure
that
the
signals
stay
coordinated
here
is
hogs
head
road.
H
This
is
a
city
road,
almost
virtually
every
parcel
along
oxide
road
is
coming
in
for
industrial
development,
and
each
developer
is
contributing
to
widening
the
road
about
two
feet
on
each
side
and
resurfacing
it's
in
terrible
shape
and
some
are
doing
it
for
impact
fee
credits.
Some
are
just
doing
it
because
they
have
to
the
hospital
property.
That's
coming
in
about
right
here,
they're
going
to
take
the
lead
kind
of
like
a
pioneering
agreement.
H
This
is
a
general
electric
road.
Also,
a
city,
road
amazon
widened
out
this
piece
and
resurfaced
for
impact
fee
credits.
They
also
put
in
a
turn
lane
here.
A
coordination
project
with
orange
county
orange
avenue
is
a
county
road.
This
is
ours,
and
so
we
had
to
coordinate
on
that
project
and
then,
here
at
hermit
smith,.
H
I
think
right
here
it
was
also
an
amazon
project.
That's
a
county
road,
but
we
made
them
not
for
impact
fee
credits,
but
because
they
broke
that
intersection,
we
made
them
put
the
turn
lane
there.
Oh,
what
else
do
I
have
on
this
one?
H
All
right
so
peterson
wrote
in
king
street
in
very
bad
shape.
This
was
a
project
that
was
kind
of
I
inherited.
We've
got
all
this
development
coming
in
down
here.
You've
got
a
big
industrial
site
here.
This
is
the
driving
school,
so
this
developer
and
this
developer
got
together
and
they
are
building
peterson
and
king
street
for
impact
fee
credits,
they're
also
making
improvements
here
at
this
intersection.
I
just
put
turn
lanes
here.
H
H
Okay
with
stuff,
as
long
as
it
doesn't
cost
them
any
money,
but
that's
not
to
say:
oh,
this
is
in
the
wrong
place.
Sorry
now
this
this
is
rock
springs,
road
and
welch
road,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
I've
talked
all
about
this
project
before
it's
been
going
on
for
a
couple
years
and
metro
plan
is
actually
funding.
This
study
that's
going
on
right
now,
and
it's
got
a
component
that
that
has
to
do
with
the
west
orange
trail.
H
But
this
is
a
city
county
project,
because,
even
though
the
intersection
belongs
to
the
city,
the
road
to
the
north
is
the
county,
and
so
we're
definitely
in
this
together.
It's
it's
a
huge
project
and
I
I
think
that
one's
going
to
come
to
a
successful
outcome.
H
H
H
It's
a
county
road
and
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
the
county
on
this
project.
For
I
don't
know
before
I
was
here,
the
county
wanted
us
to
take
the
road
and
we
didn't
want
to
do
it
because
it
wasn't,
they
didn't
want
to
fix
it.
We
take
all
the
impact
fee
money,
and
so
why
would
they
fix
it?
So
brian
and
I
are
working
on
an
mou
with
the
county,
but
we're
going
forward
anyway.
The
the
mou.
What
it's
gonna
say
is
this
piece
up
north
north
of
13th
street.
H
It's
got
some
major
drainage
issues
and
it's
been
that
way
even
before
we
had
all
this
development
and
so
the
county,
because
they
have
to
buy
a
bunch
of
houses
and
do
some
other
things
very
expensive.
Essentially,
what
they're
going
to
do
is
they're
going
to
fix
that
piece.
13Th
street
north
we,
the
city,
are
going
to
take
our
20
to
30
million
dollars
in
impact
fees,
and
we've
got
a
study
going
on
on
this
piece
right
here
from
harman
road
up
to
we're
going
all
the
way
to
hawthorne.
H
Just
you
know
to
lay
out
what
we
need
find
out
where
alignment
needs
to
go
and
then
that
study's
being
done
by
the
developer
here,
that's
the
bronson
property,
north
and
south
of
boy
scout,
and
once
that
study
is
done,
then
they're
going
to
design
it
and
build
this
segment
from
here
to
here
right
now,
the
development
right
here,
this
industrial
development
they
are
designing
and
installing
the
signal
right
here
at
martin,
road
and
the
city
and
the
county
are
reviewing
the
plans.
This
is
coming
soon.
H
This
is
boy
scout
road
at
ocoee
apopka
when
they
start
developing.
The
first
thing
they
have
to
do
is
fix
that
horrible
thing
there,
I'm
tired
of
getting
called
by
pd
there's
another
truck
stuck
on
the
road.
When
are
you
going
to
fix
it?
Well
we're
fixing
it,
and
then
this
is
a
signal
at
harman
road,
the
and
we
are
let's
see.
Maybe
I
can
advance
a
couple
so
you
can
see.
This
is
what
harmony
road
is
going
to
look
like.
H
That
itb
is
going
out
sunday
so
and
it'll
probably
take
15
months
to
complete
that
project,
and
the
signal
goes
with
it.
This
is
the
other
segment
of
ocoee
apopka
road.
Of
course,
this
piece
has
already
widened
this
developer
of
these
apartments.
They're
designing
it
right
now
and
they're
designing
and
installing
the
signal
for
the
four
lane.
H
Then,
when
this
property
comes
in,
it's
a
a
national
retailer
that
I'm
not
supposed
to
say
their
name,
although
everybody
knows
who
it
is
a
grocer
they're
going
to
come
in
and
construct
so
and
again,
county
city
project
that
we're
working
on-
and
I
just
talked
to
the
developer
today
of
a
piece
a
little
farther
south
that
you
can't
see
here.
It's
the
other
industrial
site.
H
We
really
wanted
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
binyan
road,
but
we
didn't
acquire
the
right
of
way
and
we're
doing
all
this
without
acquiring
any
right
away,
except
for
that
piece
to
the
north.
But
I
had
a
discussion
today.
So
we
might
be
a
car
acquiring
that
piece
of
right-of-way
and
we
can
go
further
south,
which
would
be
a
good
thing
and
then
one
other
project.
It's
gonna
be
right.
Here
we
talked
to
the
expressway,
they
asked
us.
H
H
Here,
so
what
we're
going
to
do
is
they're,
going
to
install
ramps
to
come
to
binion,
road
and-
and
our
fire
department
particularly
likes
this
because
of
the
time
savings
and
getting
to
the
hospital
and
now
they're
their
proximity
to
this.
They
don't
have
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
okay,
apopka
and
come
back
so
we'll
find
out
they're
doing
a
pd
e
study
right
now,
we'll
find
out
in
a
few
days
I
think,
or
a
few
weeks
as
to
whether
or
not
it
made
it
into
their
their
plan.
H
H
H
We
have
an
agreement
with
them.
They've
cut
the
easement,
we're
fixing
the
signal,
the
other
thing
that
we're
doing
on
the
north
side
of
the
intersection.
We
are
going
to
widen
it
a
little
bit
so
that
you
can
actually
fit
cars
there.
You'll
have
a
right
and
a
left
turn
lane
actually
be
a
right
through
and
a
left,
because
those
people
are,
you
know
it's
running
out
the
road
pretty
much
and
they
don't
like
it.
H
So
there'll
be
room
for
them,
so
that
project
we
are
at
90
design,
we'll
be
going
to
construction
in
this
fiscal
year.
This
is
the
other
intersection.
This
is
bradshaw
road.
They
were
also
putting
mass
arms
there,
making
some
improvements,
we're
doing.
H
We're
not
really
being
able
to
do
any
realignment
or
anything
we're
just
we're,
squaring
it
off
a
little
bit
that
pole
on
the
on
the
northwest
corner
or
any
southwest
corner
has
been
hit
so
many
times.
I'm
surprised
it's
still
standing.
Then
I
wanted
to
point
out
this
project
to
you.
This
is
bradshaw.
This
is
central.
This
is
a
d.o.t
triple
r
project
resurfacing
and
we
talked
to
d.o.t
about
this
project
as
y'all
know.
H
There
are
all
these
really
unusual
intersections
that
got
like
six
legs
and
you
know:
we've
had
fatalities
out
there
and
it's
it's
very
disconcerting
to
get
a
phone
call.
We,
you
know
another
fatality.
So
when
we
talked
to
d.o.t,
they
said
no,
it's
not
that
kind
of
project
we
wanted
medians.
Well,
they
went
out
and
drove
it.
So
here's
what
we're
getting
I
thought
y'all
might
like
to
see
those.
This
is
what
they're
doing
at
central.
H
H
So
this
is,
you
can
see
at
lake
street
they're
going
to
put
a
median
across
that
unusual
intersection
to
restrict
movements
and
and
for
the
people
who
feel
the
need
to
walk
across
the
road.
They've
got
a
place
to
stand
now,
they're
adding
a
median
here.
This
is
an
aok
tire.
That
was
the
other
slide.
It's
it's
actually
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
cut
back
a
little
bit.
H
I
H
H
Up
here
is
45
miles
an
hour,
I'd
like
to
get
that
lowered,
we've
put
lights
out
there
and
now
we're
putting
medians
it's
safer.
It's
we're
going
to
see
how
this
goes
and
then
we'll
talk
to
d.o.t
about
crosswalks.
They
didn't
feel
like
crosswalks
were
warranted
at
this
time.
There
aren't
it's
this
whole
corridor
from
bradshaw
to
hawthorne
and
maybe
beyond
that
where
people
are
just
randomly
walking,
there's
not
like
one
place
so.
H
I
I
H
I
don't
know
where
to
put
them,
there's
a
crosswalk
at
bradshaw,
but
people
don't
walk
in
the
crosswalk.
They
walk
20
feet,
east
of
it,
and
I
can't
move
that
and
that's
kind
of
the
way
it
is
here.
If
I
had
to
pick
a
place
to
put
a
crosswalk
I'd,
put
it
right
there
in
front
of
aok
tires
because
people
walk
from
one
side,
the
land
use.
I
H
H
We're
doing
this
thing
called
target
speed,
so
it
might
not
be
quite
ready
for
it,
but
we're
trying
to
get
the
speed
limit.
Lowered
I'd
like
to
see
it
out
here.
I'd
like
it
to
be
35
along
the
corridor.
You
can
post
it
in
anything.
You
want,
but
there's
capacity,
they're
going
to
drive,
50
and
and
unless
there's
somebody
sitting
there
writing
a
ticket.
H
So
safety
improvements
like
medians
a
place
to
stand
and
maybe
be
seen,
is,
is
better
than
nothing
and
and
d.o.t
will
decide
if
and
when
there
will
be
crosswalks.
I
I
can
only
ask,
and
then
I
had
one
more
thing
that
I
wanted
to
show
you
that's
the
last
crosswalk
we've
done
a
trails
master
plan
and
I'm
very
excited
about
this.
H
So
there
are
other
roadway
projects
that
I
have
on
my
desk,
but
I
thought
that
was
plenty.
F
Pam,
I
have
a
question
for
you:
yes,
the
on
okay
apopka
road,
the
intersection
there
and
martin
road.
You
know
and
it's
a
stop
sign
there.
But,
as
you
know,
we
have
approved
projects
on
martin
road
and
one
isn't
has
been
in
progress.
F
We're
going
to
talk
about
another
one
tonight.
That's
on
martin
road
years
ago
we
approved
the
martin
rule
apartments.
We
approved
the
central
florida
prep
school
and
around
the
corner
on
the
harmon
road.
Is
the
crossings
at
emerson
park
so
up
on
the
rich?
There
you've
got
a
little
kingdom
up
there,
but
I
I
just
wonder
about-
and
I
guess
eventually,
harmon
road
will
connect
between
that
point
and
the
hospital.
F
G
F
But
was
there
any
thought
about
more
traffic
control
at
martin,
road
and
apopka?
Of
course,.
F
H
H
Second,
second,
one:
okay,
armin.
F
H
H
Yeah,
it's
a
big
project.
I
I
never
thought
that
it
would
come
to
fruition,
but
we
talked
and
talked
and
talked
and
decided.
It
was
something
we
need
to
do
together.
E
H
H
J
Questions,
yes,
I
I
do
pam.
Can
you
help
and
clarify
during
the
the
process
when
a
parcel
or
a
piece
of
property
goes
through
the
process?
We
have
a
lot
of
confusion.
I
think
we're
asking
traffic
questions
and
asking
you
for
traffic
studies
in
a
future
land
use
or
a
zoning
change.
Can
you
explain
where,
in
that
process
of
negotiation
between
the
builder
developer
and
the
road
improvement
where
that
happens,
and
at
what
point
that
becomes
relevant
to
our
discussions.
H
Not
so
much
at
comp
plan
there
are,
you
know
there
are
state
laws
about
a
traffic
study,
the
problem
with
the
the
traffic
study
that
comes
with
a
comprehensive
plan.
It
only
looks
at
roadway
segments
and
when
you
get
to
rezoning
and
then
site
plan,
that's
where
you
look
at
the
roadway
capacity
and
the
the
signals.
I
will
tell
you
that,
based
on
our
traffic
counts,
we
have
very
few
capacity
problems
on
our
roadway
segments
in
the
city,
most
the
ones
that
we
have
are
things.
H
We
can't
do
anything
about
like
main
street
right
out
here
certain
times
a
day.
It's
level
of
service
f
and
we're
not
ever
going
to
widen
main
street
or
we
won't
have
a
downtown.
So
we
have
to
start
looking
at
the
intersection.
H
So
when
these
projects
come
in,
as
you
can
get
a
comp
plan,
amendment
that'll
tell
you
you
can
have
a
maximum
density
of
15
units
to
the
acre,
but
the
reality
is
they
might
only
be
able
to
fit
seven
on
so
as
soon
as
we're
pretty
sure
what
their
site
plan
is
going
to.
Look
like
that's
when
I'm
I'm
reviewing
the
traffic
studies
and
looking
out
to
see
what
I
want
them
to
fix
and
and
that's
really
what
it
comes
down
to
either.
G
H
Fees,
we
don't
have
districts,
so
I
can
use
impact
free
money
from
any
place
in
the
city
on
any
place
in
the
city,
which
is
good
because
you
know
we
have
like
these
three
areas
where
we
have
the
airport
area.
We
have
the
kelly
park
area
and
then
we
have
the
hospital
area
where
we've
got
these
big
things.
H
J
H
H
It's
required.
Sometimes
it
depends
on
how
much
traffic
the
project's
going
to
generate.
That's.
Why?
I,
I
generally
wait
to
see
what
their
final
site
plan
is
going
to
look
like
or
what
they're
trying
to
to
move
through
the
process.
H
So
if
it
generates
more
than
400
daily
trips,
they
have
to
do
a
traffic
study
or,
if
I
know
it's
in
an
area
where
there
are
issues
that
need
to
be
resolved,
if
they're
only
generating
200
trips,
I
have
the
ability
to
tell
them
to
do
a
traffic
study,
because
I
might
need
them
to
fix
an
intersection
or
install
a
turn
line.
H
Say
potentially
at
rezoning,
but
certainly
at
site
plan,
okay,.
I
I
H
I
H
I
H
K
H
I
H
It
safer,
if
you
have,
if
you're
this
development
and
you
have
a
thousand
residential
units
and
commercial
development
all
coming
out.
Essentially
one
entrance.
You
need
a
signal.
I.
I
I
think
it
just
takes
two
years
that
they
get
land
property
rights
plus
they
need
to
add
retention,
bonds
right.
H
G
H
H
Golden
gem
golden
gem:
the
plan
for
that
is
we're
not
that's,
going
to
be
a
two-lane
road
but
kind
of
like
a
three-lane
road.
It's
going
to
be
a
two-lane
road
with.
I
L
Just
fixing
it
the
function
of
traffic
out
there,
there's.
L
I
H
H
H
I
would
say
that
for
the
city
we're
working
on
it,
our
our
one
of
our
technicians,
juan
monte
alegre,
he
and
I
have
been
working
together,
identifying
places
in
with
steve,
harmon
or
sergeant
harmon
we're
actively
looking
for
those
places
because
they
can't
enforce
the
speed
limit.
If
there's
nothing
posted,
you
might
know
it's
45,
but
if
there's
not
a
sign
there,
they
can't
write
a
ticket
correct.
So
yes
we're
so
anytime,
you
see
a
place
that
needs
a
speed
limit
sign.
You
can
call
me
and
I'll
send
one
out.
We've
got
a
bunch.
I
F
Yeah
one
jim
one
last
question:
do
you
have
a
timeline
for
the
widening
of
plymouth
rental
road.
F
F
F
H
F
H
H
People
think
that
their
property
is
a
golden.
You
know
a
gold
mine,
and
so
they
think
that
their
property's
worth
way
more
than
it
is
so
sometimes
that
kills
projects.
You
can't
some
people
you
can't
negotiate
with
and
we
the
city
has
never
used
eminent
domain.
But
again
it's
a
county,
road
and
they're
aware
that
things
are
it's
the
property's
filling
up
out
there
and
it's
coming
yeah.
A
I
Anyone
else
with
questions
are
we
dependent
on
this
one
percent
sales
tax
increase.
H
K
H
Information
is
very
helpful,
just
one
little
part
of
my
job,
but
I'm
happy
that
I've
got
projects
going
to
construction
now,
so
you'll
start
seeing
some
dirt
turning
pretty
soon
and
I'll
come
back
and
update
y'all
in.
A
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
ordinance
number
2927,
providing
for
the
keeping
of
chickens
and
residential
zoning
classifications.
We
have
a
staff
presentation
by
the
city
attorney.
M
Thank
you
good
evening.
The
ordinance
that's
before
you
this
evening
for
your
review
and
recommendation
is
a
allows
for
the
use
for
the
keeping
of
chickens
in
residential
neighborhoods.
Believe
it
or
not,
this
is
not
the
first
time
I
have
written
a
backyard
chicken's
ordinance.
This
is
actually
my
second
backyard's
chicken
ordinance.
M
M
M
M
M
What
we've
also
done
in
the
is
in
the
ordinances
also
clarify
something
that
code
enforcement
has
run
into
a
problem
with,
is
that
the
ordinance
will
further
clarify
that
you
cannot
keep
livestock
or
other
type
of
what
could
be
considered.
Agricultural
foul,
no
pea,
fowls,
no
ducks
no
right!
Now
off
the
top.
My
head,
I
can't
remember
what
other
type
of
fouls,
but
that
was
also
going
to
include
livestock.
No
pigs,
no
goats,
no
sheep
in
residential.
These
are
animals
that
are
reserved
for
agricultural
use
and
for
properties
in
agriculturally
zoned
districts.
M
There
has
been
a
lot
of
requests
that
have
been
made
and
questions
have
been
made
to
the
community
development
department
inquiring
as
to
whether
they
can
keep
folks
can
keep
chickens
in
their
yard.
I
think,
if
I
care,
if
I
noted
it's,
the
limit
is
four
chickens
per
property
and
you
cannot
have
free-range
chickens
in
your
backyard.
You
have
to
keep
them
in
the
coop,
so
that's
the
the
gist
of
the
ordinance.
M
The
ordinance
has
actually
had
success.
In
my
own
personal
experience
it
it
was
successful.
The
trial
program
that
we
ran
in
volusia
county
was
successful
and
then
the
ordinance
continues
to
this
date.
They
believe
orange
county
has
been
successfully
implementing
the
ordinance,
and
the
city
of
orlando
also
has
a
similar.
M
M
M
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
just
also
as
background
this
ordinance
is
modeled
and
the
dimensions
and
the
requirements
are
similar
to
orange
county
because
of
the
proximity
between
the
two
jurisdictions,
so
that
someone
from
orange
county
ends
up
in
the
city
they're
going
to
meet
the
same
requirements.
So
your
setbacks.
M
You
can
only
place
your
coupe
and
pen
area
in
the
rear
yard,
not
in
a
side
yard
or
a
side
street
yard
or
in
the
front
yard,
and
it
has
to
be
set
back
a
minimum
of
15
feet
from
any
side
or
street
property
boundary
a
minimum
of
10
feet
from
the
rear
property
boundary.
Any
wetlands,
upland,
buffers,
berms,
swales
conservation
areas,
planet,
development,
right
tracks
and
then
50
feet
from
any
normal
high
water
elevation,
so
that
would
be
for
properties,
waterfront
properties.
So
those
are
your
setbacks.
What.
M
I
There's
no
setback
for
the
house,
no.
M
M
You
have
requirements
as
well
as
to
the
maximum
size
of
your
chicken,
coop
and
pen
area
together
shall
be
100
square
feet.
Minimum
size
of
the
coop
shall
be
four
sweet
for
four
square
feet
per
chicken.
Minimum
size
of
a
pen
area
shall
be
10
feet
per
chicken.
So
at
that
point,
you'd
start
making
your
calculations.
How
big
can
you
grow?
M
Can
you
fit
in
your
setbacks
and
if
it
doesn't
work,
you
know
you
can
attempt
to
get
a
variance,
but
at
that
point
then
it
comes
back
to
you
guys
to
examine
whether
somebody
wants
a
variance
from
this
or
not.
I
M
We
don't
the
renewal,
I
think,
we're
echoing
the
county,
don't
think
we
required
an
annual
renewal.
I
don't
think
the
county
had
one
either,
there's
no
reason.
I
M
No,
it's
not
it's
not
a
license
from
the
state.
What
you're?
What
you
have
to
certify
to
the
city
is
that
you
have
received
the
proper
education
and
how
to
the
purpose
of
the
of
the
course
offered
by
the
university
of
florida
is
for
health
and
that
you're,
aware
of
the
both
the
benefits
and
risks
of
having
chickens
on
your
property.
One
of
the
resources
one
in
previous
previously
when
I
researched
the
educational
component,
was
added.
There
was
a
similar
ordinance
like
this
in
colorado.
M
What
ended
up
happening
is
you
had
a
lot
of
folks
who
took
advantage
of
the
ordinance
yet
then
you
had
a
breakout
of
avian
flu
in
a
neighborhood,
because
folks
did
not
have
the
proper
education
on
how
to
care
and
maintain
chickens
on
their
property.
So
this
educational
component
is
a
way
to
try
to
minimize
those
risks.
M
We
have
had
various
calls
to
the
to
community
development.
A
lot
of
these
are
just
folks
who
want
to
have
chickens
to
have
their
own
eggs
and
no
longer
have
to
buy
eggs
from
the
grocery
store.
Now
there
is
a
requirement,
our
code,
you
are
not
allowed
to
set
up
a
farm
stand
on
your
residential
in
your
house
to
sell
the
eggs
that
your
chicken
is
is
laying
you
you
they're.
The
the
use
of
the
animals
is
for
your
own
personal
use,
so
you
cannot
create.
F
M
Now
that
the
ordinance
does
regulate
you,
you
can't
have
a
slaughterhouse
in
your
backyard.
Either
you
have
to.
There
has
to
be
the
proper
disposal
of
carcasses.
In
the
event
you
have
a
chicken
demise,
so
I.
M
J
Beforehand,
I
I
have
to
ask
what,
if
you
had
a
rooster,
that
identified
as
a
hen.
B
M
As
a
point
of
reference,
the
the
volusia
county
ordinance
that
I
drafted
was
tweaked
differently
than
orange
counties
in
volusia.
We
did
create
acreage
requirements
that
did
not
that
limited
the
types
of
homes
also,
we
did
not
perm
what
was
done
in
volusia
volusia
created
backyard's
chicken
as
what
was
called
an
administrative
special
exception.
M
It
was
a
special
exception
that
did
not
go
to
the
equivalent
of
the
planning
commission
at
the
county,
but
was
administratively
granted
by
the
zoning
officer
for
the
county,
but
and
and
then
that
one
listed
specific
zoning
districts
with
then
within
that
district,
specific
minimum
lot
requirements
for
a
backyard
for
backyard
chickens
that
ordinance
prohibited
did
not
include
the
equivalent
of
the
pd
or
pud
districts,
so
that
eliminated
many
of
your
residential
neighborhoods
that
were
subject
to
hoas
because
they
were
not
permitted
in
planned.
Developments
in
in
the
plant
development
districts.
M
Restrictions!
No,
so
if
your
hoa
prohibits
you
from
having
such
animals
on
the
property,
you'll
be
subject
to
the
hoa
regulations,
so
you
come
in.
We
check
the
property
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
a
permit,
and
even
if
you
do
get
a
permit
from
the
county,
the
hoa
will
then
be
able
to
enforce
that,
because
the
the
or
the
city's
ordinance
will
not
overrule
will
not
trump
a
hoa
requirement
as
it
regulates
that
person's
specific
property.
M
No,
if
you're,
if
you're,
if
your
hoa
documents
are
silent,
then
then
it
may
proceed
forward.
Now.
If
your
hoa
amends
the
documents
to
prohibit
this
use,
then
those
documents
will
prevail
onto
that
on
that
property
you
may
be
able
to
go
forward
and
your
hoa
may
be
able
to
go
forward
and
cite
those
folks
for
violation
of
the
declarations.
F
A
Thanks,
you
mentioned
that
the
ordinance
mirrored
orange
county
so
in
terms
of
those
setbacks,
what's
in
the
ordinance
here,
is
identical.
M
Those
are
orange
county
setbacks
as
well.
So
there
was
the
intent
for
that
to
to
mirror
orange
counties
so
that
it
was
that
there
really
isn't
going
to
be
any
confusion
and
you'll
be
consistent,
especially
on
on
pockets
here
and
in
certain
areas
where
we
have,
where
juris
our
jurisdiction
jumps
from
city
to
county,
to
city,
to
county,
someone
can
float
from
one
to
the
other
and
or
if
a
property
owner
moves
into
the
city.
If
they're
familiar
with
the
county
regulations,
the
city's
regulations
are
going
to
be
the
same.
M
A
Further
questions:
okay,
thank
you
very
much,
we'll
close
the
presentations
and
open
the
public
hearing.
Anyone
wish
to
appear
before
the
commission
on
this
item
and
seeing
none
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
commission.
What's
your
pleasure.
I
A
I
A
I
guess
I
don't
see
the
rationale
for
a
minimum
lot
size
if
you
have,
if
you
have
the
the
setbacks
set,
because
you
could
only
a
lot
would
have
to
be
a
certain
size
before
you
could
reach
the
setbacks
exactly.
But
that's
that's!
It's
up.
It's
up
to
the
commission.
We
can
make
whatever
emotion
we
want
to
make.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
ryan
to
deny
it
is
there
a
second.
J
J
I
mean
I
don't
know
the
demographics
of
apopka
real.
Well,
I
know
there
is
a
large
community
that
probably
wants
that,
but
how
many
people
are
actually
asking
for
it
and
and
why
wouldn't
it
be
a
simpler
or
the
blanket
the
blanket
coverage
scares
me.
I
grew
up
in
summers
on
a
farm
and
I
know
what
a
chicken
coop
smells
like
and
if
one
of
my
neighbors
puts
one
of
those
like
bob
said:
okay
keep
it
away
from
the
house,
but
then
put
it
into
the
fence.
J
Well
then,
I'm
smelling
that
I
sit
on
my
back
porch
and
that's
it's
pretty
rough.
Maybe
if
it
was
in
a
you
know
the
rural
zoning,
but
to
put
it
in
a
residential
it
just
it
seems
like
why
couldn't
you
just
I
mean
now,
I
don't
know
if
there's
ability
for
somebody
to
come
and
ask
for
a
variance
to
have
them
is
that
possibility
now.
M
No
because
there's
no
you
there,
you
cannot
seek
a
variance
from
use
and
you
cannot
end
these
and
so
the
wording
of
the
language.
You
can't
have
these
animals
this.
This
is
a
agricultural
use
and
residential
property,
so
this
would
create
a
carve
out
to
allow
a
less
intense
agricultural
use
on
on
residential
properties.
J
I
know
neither
one
of
them
would
get
with
near
chicken.
You
know
with
a
10-foot
pole,
but
okay
say
I
come
from
somewhere
else.
I
move
here
into
one
of
these
new
emerson
park
subdivision
or
whatever
move
into
a
new
subdivision
and
build
my
house
and
my
back
porch
my
swimming
pool
and
that
and
then
lo
and
behold,
90
days
later,
somebody
puts
up
a
chicken
coop
on
the
fence
or
the
property
line.
J
Next
to
my
home
and
again,
I
I
don't
know
how
many
people
have
been
around
a
farm,
but
that
is
it's:
it's
very
nasty,
a
bird
cage
and
and
then
having
large
birds
like
that
and
having
that
in
the
neighborhood.
What
is
that
person's
recourse?
At
that
point,
you
know,
maybe
you
put
in
the
ordinance
that
you
have
to
get.
J
You
know
permission
from
the
neighbors
or,
if
that's,
if
that's
too
hard
to
do,
then,
then
it
needs
to
be
a
variance
and
to
come
in
front
of
here
and
if
four
of
his
neighbors
come
up
and
go
no,
we
don't
want
it.
Then
the
answer
is
no,
but
I
think
opening
the
door
to
this.
I'm
just
thinking
to
myself
if
I
bought
a
brand
new
house,
you
know
one
of
these
new
subdivisions
and
somebody
put
a
chicken
coop
in
my
fence.
J
G
J
G
I
don't
know
the
problem
I've
seen
with
it,
because
I
do
have
a
couple
in
our
neighborhood
is
people
violated?
They
do
have
roosters
and
we
know
because
the
roosters
wake
us
up
every
morning.
People
do
have
duck
geese.
The
things
that
they're
not
the
type
of
file
that
they're
not
supposed
to
have
so
what
we
have
had
to
do
now
is
to
amend,
to
pay
an
attorney
to
amend
our
hoa
covenant
in
order
to
stop
them
right.
M
Well,
the
the
code,
this
code,
as
written,
includes
that
expressed
now
prohibition
to
those
animals,
and
I
can
pull
up
the
exact
animals
that
are
now
prohibited
you're
now
so
therefore,
now
it
opens
the
avenue
for
code
enforcement
to
actually
go
in
and
issue
a
violation
and
and
now
you've
got
the
force
of
code
enforcement.
G
Liens
kids
bring
their
chickens
up
to
the
park.
We
have
a
community
park,
they
come
up
to
the
park
with
their
chickens
yeah.
So
we
now
we're
having
the
hoa.
E
B
Do
something
my
esteemed
colleague
down
here
about
hoas
being
silent?
I
I
think
we're
throwing
a
bunch
on
them.
If
they're
silent
now
and
people
start
bringing
these
chickens,
and
then
they
start
to
do
these
amendments,
is
it
going
to
be
retroactive
or
is
the
10
that
have
them
going
to
be
allowed
to
keep
them
and
the
other
500
can't
have
them.
J
I
I
agree,
I
don't
think
anybody
when
they're
they're
designing
the
hoa
rules
are
going
to
sit
down
and
go
okay.
Now
we
need
to
do
something
about
chickens.
Nobody,
you
know
it's
just
it
seems,
and
I
don't
know.
Maybe
there
is
a
public
outcry,
but
to
me
I
I'd
be
surprised
if
the
percentage
of
people
would
that
wanted
chickens
would
warrant
this
versus
that
the
adverse
effects
and
the
ripple
down
effect,
as
butch
said
that
now
the
hoas
have
to
try
and
you
know,
cover
their
tracks.
J
Most
of
them
say
you
can
only
have
two
dogs
and
three
cats
or
whatever,
but
I
doubt
I
mine,
I
don't
recall
anything
in
the
pet
section,
saying
no
livestock,
because
it
kind
of
goes
without
saying,
with
a
small
lot
in
a
neighborhood
like
that
who's
going
to
have
livestock
or
chickens.
It's
it's,
not
it's
beyond
the
pale
of
what
a
normal
person
would
expect
or
think
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I'm
just.
I
A
Well,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
motion
seconded
on
the
floor.
To
deny
it-
and
I
I
gather
it-
will
go
to
city
council
either
way
with
a
recommendation
from
this
from
the
planning
commission
to
approve
it
or
deny
it
correct.
Unless
there's
further
discussion,
we
can
simply
vote
on
the
motion
to
deny
it
any
further
discussion,
or
is
everybody
ready
to
vote?
F
A
The
vote
is
to
deny
so
a
yes
vote
is
to
deny
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say
no
so
unanimously.
We
recommend
tonight.
L
A
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
a
comprehensive
plan.
Small
scale,
future
land
use
amendment
345
west
orange
blossom
trail
from
county
commercial
to
city
commercial
owner
is
vision.
Car
wash
two
llc
and
cara
brandon
peterson
applicant
is
brandeis
and
brandon
peterson.
It's
located
at
345,
west
orange
blossom
trail
and
we.
N
N
N
The
development
review
committee
recommends
approval
of
the
future
land
use
amendment
and
the
recommended
motions
to
recommend
approval
of
the
change
of
future
land
use.
Designation
from
county
commercial
to
city
commercial
subject
to
the
information
and
findings
in
the
staff
report,
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
staff,
any
questions
of
the
applicant
and
the
applicant
can
make
a
presentation
if
he
so
desires,
but
if
not
we'll
okay,
no
questions
of
either
all
right,
then
we'll
close
the
presentations
and
open
the
public
hearing.
Anyone
wish
to
appear
before
the
commission
on
this
item
and
seeing
none
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
commission.
What's
your
pleasure.
A
A
And
our
next
item
for
this
same
property
is
a
change
of
zoning
345
west
orange
blossom
trail
from
county
c3,
wholesale
commercial
to
city
mud,
mixed
use,
downtown
the
owner
vision,
car
wash
2,
llc,
carol,
branderson
brandon
peterson.
The
applicant
is
brandon
peterson,
location,
345,
west
orange
boston
trail,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
N
Again,
gene
sanchez
of
the
community
development
department.
The
applicant
is
requesting
res
requesting
to
rezone
the
property
from
c3
wholesale
commercial
to
mud,
mixed
use,
downtown
zoning
district
and
the
proposed
mud.
Zoning
district
is
compatible
with
the
property
due
to
the
zoning
being
found
in
all
adjacent
properties.
N
A
A
A
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
a
comprehensive
plan.
Small
scale,
future
land
use
map,
designation,
leicester,
road
land,
trust
designate,
portion
of
the
property
owned
by
lester
road
land,
trust
to
commercial
future
land
use
the
owner
is
lester
road
land
trust.
The
applicant
is
concept,
development,
inc
care
of
jonathan
hughes
located
in
southeast
corner
of
plymouth,
sorrento
road
and
leicester
road,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
N
The
proposal,
the
the
subject
property
is
approximately
two
acres
located
on
the
southeast
corner
of
leicester,
road
and
plymouth.
Sorrento
road,
a
request
to
assign
the
future
land
use,
designation
commercial
is
compatible
with
the
designations
assigned
to
the
abutting
property
and
in
the
vicinity.
N
N
A
F
A
Okay,
our
next
item
for
this
same
property
is
a
change
of
zoning.
A
leicester,
road
land,
trust
from
pd
plan
development
to
c-day
c.
Community
commercial
owner
is
lester
road
land
trust.
The
applicant
is
concept
development,
inc
in
care
of
jonathan
huels.
The
location
is
southeast
corner
of
plymouth,
sorrento,
road
and
leicester
road,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
N
The
drc
recommends
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
zoning
amendment
to
cce.
Community
commercial
staff
and
applicants
are
available
for
questions
and
also
the
applicant
has
a
presentation.
A
O
Good
evening,
chairman
and
fellow
commissioners,
my
name
is
jonathan
huels,
with
the
lowndes
law
firm
215
north
yola
drive
orlando
32801.
We
of
course
concur
with
staff's
recommendation.
O
The
purpose
of
my
short
presentation
is
to
go
beyond
the
change
in
in
map
color
from
pd
to
cc
community
commercial
and
and
and
try
to
disclose
what
we're
actually
proposing
to
develop
on
the
site
and
to
solicit
potential
input
from
you
all,
knowing
that
this
project
is
going
to
return
before
you
for
a
special
exception
and
what's
being
proposed,
is
an
odb
kids.
Daycare
gene
did
a
good
job
of
describing
the
property.
This
is
just
a
little
bit
farther
out
from
an
aerial
map
standpoint.
O
It
is
in
the
southeast
quadrant
of
leicester,
road
and
plymouth.
Sorrento
three
of
those
four
hard
corners
now
have
commercial
entitlements.
There
is
a
self
storage.
That's
that
graded
area
on
the
northwest
corner
being
developed
as
we
speak,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
open
yet,
but
it
will
soon
will
be
open
and,
as
I
stated
before,
that
the
proposed
use
of
of
this
property
would
be
for
an
odb
kids
in
community
commercial.
That
requires
a
special
exception.
O
We've
been
working
with
staff
for
a
few
months
on
this
project
had
a
few
pre-apps,
the
the
pd
that
would
that
zoning
was
determined
not
to
be
applicable
for
what
we
it
was
a
commercial
pd,
but
that
specific
use
wasn't
permitted.
Here's
the
site
plan-
we've
worked
this
through
this.
This
followed
the
comp
plan,
future
land
use
change
and
the
zoning
change
through
drc
and
it's
been
through
drc
review.
P
O
Also
presented
this
at
a
virtual
meeting
we
conducted,
and
we
did
have
four
folks
in
attendance,
two
of
which
live
immediately
adjacent
here
along
the
shared
boundary.
O
O
We
have
some
conceptual
elevations
to
share
with
you.
The
proposed
buildings
of
just
under
11
000
square
feet,
a
single
story.
It
will
be
owned,
owned
and
operated,
or
owned
and
leased
by
odb
kids,
which
is
based
out
of
gainesville.
It's
not
a
franchise.
O
O
They
have
another,
that's
under
construction
and
another
that
has
just
been
permitted
so
and
and
really
they're
they're
entering
this
market,
because
they're
following
the
growth
they
look
to
see
where
the
underserved
areas
of
our
communities
are
for
in
terms
of
preschool
and
daycare
uses
and
they're
they're
looking
to
get
into
those
locations
and
provide
a
valuable
service,
that's
needed
for
our
communities.
O
Here's
just
another
this!
This
is
a
from
the
northwest
kind
of
corner
of
the
property,
and
this
would
be
kind
of
taken
if
you
can
imagine
from
if
you
stood
in
the
stormwater
pond
and
shot
out
in
terms
of
process.
Like
I
said
before,
we
submitted
the
application
right
at
the
start
of
the
new
year.
We
did
conduct
that
community
meeting
in
february.
It
was
a
productive
meeting.
I
think
I've
shared
and
kept
one
of
the
members
that
attended.
O
We
did
go
through
drc
review
of
the
two
applications
that
are
before
you
today,
as
well
as
a
special
exception
in
march.
We're
now
here
before
you
on
the
recommendation
for
the
comp
plan
amendment
in
the
in
the
rezoning
and
then
we'll
be
taking
those
to
the
city
council
meetings
in
may,
the
first
and
second
ones
respectively
for
the
readings
of
the
ordinances
and
then
the
way
the
process
works
and
why
I
wanted
to
find
out.
O
If
there
was
any
get
solicit,
some
feedback
from
you
all
was
we
don't
want
to
be
continuing
to
work
on
this
project?
If
there's
a
significant
issue
either
from
the
community
but
doesn't
appear
there,
there
will
be
based
on.
I
don't
believe,
there's
anyone
here
to
speak
on
the
item
and
or
from
you
all
on
on
the
proposed
use.
We
don't
want
to
be
spending
two
months
in
process
and
find
out
that
it's
not
the
pleasure
of
this
board
for
such
a
use.
O
So
I
never
go
beyond
oftentimes
a
staff
recommendation
for
approval
and
concur
and
sit
down,
but
I
thought
just
in
terms
of
of
this
developer
and
being
forthright
with
what
we're
doing
with
the
property.
We
wanted
to
disclose
that
and
just
solicit
any
input
you
may
have
on
it
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
I
also
have
sean
waglow
from
from
concept
companies
who
is
going
to
be
the
developer
and
an
otp
ow
kids
representative
here
as
well.
To
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
about
the
operations.
O
A
Name,
if
you
yeah,
I
was
gonna,
say
I'd,
ask
you
if
you
she
would
give
us
her
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Also
sorry.
P
Laurie
denny,
I
represent
odb
kids.
I
handle
their
growth
and
development.
This
particular
location
would
be
a
little
shy
of
11
000
square
feet
and
should
have
approximately
140
children
at
capacity
the
predominantly
the
children
would
be
preschool
age.
There
is
a
small
area
component
allowable
for
parents
who
have
children
also
in
elementary
school,
who
need
after-school
care,
so
there
would
be
the
ability
for
parents
who
have
children
in
a
local
elementary
school.
We
have
our
own
buses
that
we
take
and
pick
up
after
school
children
and
bring
them
to
our
locations.
P
So
we
offer
that
service
for
the
parents
that
have
that,
so
it
would
be
approximately
140
students.
J
Good
all
right,
I
have
a
question
for
mr
huell.
You
had
mentioned
the
the
six
foot
concrete
wall
now.
Is
that
part
of
your
site
plan
now.
O
O
O
For
the
daycare
use
so
in
community
commercial
daycare
is
not
a
permitted
use,
it's
a
con,
it's
a
special
exception
use
and
you
know
part
of
that
working
with
staff
was
where
daycare
is
permitted.
For
instance,
I
believe
it's
permitted
in
a
commercial
corridor,
but
that's
a
really
intensive
zoning
allows
a
whole
lot
more
uses
and
while
we
we
would
have
liked
to
not
have
gone
through
a
special
exception
process.
We
we
felt,
like
you
know
it-
was
the
most
appropriate
based
on
the
site.
Next
to
us.
A
O
Sure
right
right,
but
you
know
obviously
if
there
was
any
significant
issues
and
obviously
we
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
anyone
in
the
public
that
we
might
be
able
to
educate
on
the
use,
because
we
we
want
to
be
full
full
disclosure
and
also
don't
don't
want
to
spend
the
time
and
effort
of
taking
this
through
city
council.
To
return
to
you
all
and
find
out
that
the
intended
use
is
something
that
wouldn't
be
to
the
pleasure
of
of
this
board.
So
understanding
that
these
are
just
advisory
comments
and.
O
Absolutely
I
mean
odb
is
kids,
knows
what
they're
doing
just
based
on
their
experience.
I
know
when
I
was
in
gainesville
getting
my
undergrad.
You
know
I
had
a
colleague
that
earned
a
colleague
as
classmate
that
worked
there,
so
I
kind
of
got
to
see
his
perspective
and
they're
they're
pretty
much
a
class
act.
I
could
tell
you
the
whole
play
area.
That's
set
to
the
rear
of
the
property
will
be
gated,
limited
access.
O
O
Not
at
this
point,
because
it's
not
required
by
code,
we
don't
know,
what's
coming,
probably
not
a
buffer
needed
if
it's
another
commercial
use,
which
certainly
is
going
to
be
on
the
west
side,
and
I
think
you
know,
I
think
that
quadrant
of
the
intersection
is
going
to
continue
to
change.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
single
family,
residential
subdivision
to
the
rear.
I
just
don't
think
the
based
on
the
commercial
uses
adjacent
it's
going
to
be.
B
O
F
O
Well,
it
is
gated
I
mean
there
will
be,
there
will
be
a
fact,
I'm
sorry
there
will
be
a
fence
up
to
surround
them,
but
it's
certainly
not
required
by
code,
and
it
would
be
more,
I
would
think
of
the
terms
of
of
being
exclusionary.
Just
what's
being
proposed.
Now
is
just
as
effective
as
a
masonry
wall.
O
O
A
A
A
Okay,
our
next
item
gardenia
reserves,
rezoning
from
t
transitional
to
kpi,
dash
mu
kelly
park.
Interchanged
mixed
use.
The
owner
is
dwpm
ventures
llc.
The
applicant
is
gl
summit
engineering
llc
in
care
of
jeffrey
l,
summitt
pe
the
location
is
the
southwest
corner
of
golden
gym,
road
and
sadler
road,
and
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
N
N
N
The
accompanying
master
plan
and
major
development
plan
proposed
the
development
of
141
townhome
units.
Each
residential
unit
will
have
a
minimum
lot
width
of
21
feet,
a
minimum
living
area
of
1
250
square
feet
and
up
to
two
stories
there
are
no
minimum
or
maximums
within
the
kpi
form-based
code
area
and
the
density
being
proposed
is
6.96.
Dwelling
units
per
acre
proposed
access
points
are
located
along
golden
gem,
road
and
sadler
road,
including
right
and
left
turn
lanes.
N
The
applicant
also
proposes
a
total
of
7.8
acres
of
open
space
area,
while
3.4
3.04
is
required,
proposed
amenities
comprised
of
a
pool
and
cabana
a
dog
park
in
the
northeastern
portion.
Another
one
on
the
southwestern
portion
of
the
development,
a
thought
lot
and
a
passive
play
field
area.
Two
storm
water
tracks
are
located
along
the
western
and
southern
boundaries.
N
Drc
recommends
approval
of
the
rezoning
master
plan
and
major
development
plan,
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
t
transitional
to
kbimu
kelly
park.
Interchange,
mixed
use
with
the
assignment
of
transition,
overlay
district
and
the
map.
The
master
plan
and
the
major
development
plan
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
G
Mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
find
the
proposed
gardenia
reserves,
change
of
zoning
and
plan
and
master
plan.
Major
development
plan
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code
and
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
areas.
Recommending
approval
of
the
proposed
change
of
zoning
from
t
transitional
to
kpi,
mu
kelly
park,
interchange,
mixed
use,
assignment
of
the
transition
overlay
district
and
the
approval
of
master
plan
and
major
development
plan.
Based
on
the
findings
and
facts
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
exhibits.
A
A
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
a
comprehensive
plan.
Small-Scale
future
land
use
amendment
oaks
at
kelley
park,
phase
four
from
county
rural
max
one
dwelling
unit
for
10
acres
to
city,
mixed
use,
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
minimum
0.25
far
max
1.0
far
the
owner
is
robert
t
and
alana.
J
hutter
applicant
is
told
brothers
inc.
The
location
is
2523
west
kelly
park
road
and
we.
Q
Q
16
2022
applicants
requesting
a
future
land
use
amendment
from
county
rural
to
city,
mixed
use.
The
property
is
located
within
the
one
mile
radius
of
the
state
road
429
cali
park,
road
interchange,
based
on
this,
the
subject
parcels
will
be
allowed
a
minimum
density
of
five
dwelling
units,
an
acre
and
a
maximum
density
of
10
dwelling
units
per
acre,
as
this
property
is
within
the
transition
character
zone
of
the
form-based
code
area.
Q
It's
the
orange
color
that
you
see
on
the
screen,
which
is
the
transition
applicants
requesting
approval
of
the
small-scale
future
land
use
amendment
to
develop
the
oaks
at
kelley
park.
Phase
four
subdivision
request
to
assign
the
future
land
use
designation
of
mixed
use
is
compatible
with
the
designations
assigned
to
the
surrounding
area
to
the
east,
which
is
within
the
kelly
park
forum
based
code
area.
Q
A
A
Then
we'll
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
say
no
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
a
major
development
plan.
Emerson
point
phase
two
owner
is
emerson
point
phase
two
llc
applicant
is
james,
o
palm
p
e
appian
engineering,
llc
location
is
1890,
south
hawthorne
avenue,
and
we.
Q
Have
a
staff
presentation?
Thank
you
once
again
bobby
howe
planning
manager.
The
major
development
plan
is
for
225
unit
residential
development
consisting
of
97
single-family
homes
and
128
townhome
units
developed
in
one
phase
at
1890.
South
hawthorne
avenue
property
is
approximately
69.65
acres
in
size
in
its
own
pd
by
a
pd
master
plan,
but
that
was
approved
by
the
city
council
on
november
3rd
2021..
Q
The
major
development
plan
is
consistent
with
all
elements
of
the
approved
pd
master
plan,
including
lot
sizes
unit
sizes,
access
and
open
space
development
review
review
committee
recommends
approval
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
approve
the
recommended
approval
of
the
emerson
point
phase
ii.
Major
development
plan
staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.