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A
So,
as
this
is
a
special
meeting,
we
take
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
only
for
items
that
are
on
the
agenda
and
if
you
are
interested
in
providing
public
comment
on
the
Gateway
area
plan,
please
raise
your
hand
now
if
you
are
on
Zoom
or
if
you
are
here
in
person,
because
I
do
want
to
Karen's
going
to
try
to
get
a
count
here
here.
We
do
so
so
anyway.
A
So,
okay,
let's
count
first,
okay,
but
so
this
evening,
anyway,
to
maximize
our
time
as
well
for
discussion,
we
want
to
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
everybody
who
wants
to
speak
and
we
also
want
to
respect
the
time
of
our
Council
and
Planning
Commission
as
well.
So
we
are
going
to
be
limiting
our
public
comment
to
1
hour,
and
so,
whatever
number
we
have
we'll
kind
of
decide.
If
we're
going
to
have
two
minutes
or
one
minute.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
we'll
yeah,
okay,
so
we'll
have
two
minutes
then
for
comment.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
commenting
now
is
the
time,
so,
please
start
make
your
way
to
the
podium.
Please
line
up
I
ask
that
also
because
public
speaking
is
hard
for
most
of
us
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
sometimes
getting
up
on
this
Podium,
it's
their
first
time,
speaking
in
front
of
the
public,
so
please
to
make
everyone
feel
safe
and
comfortable
and
to
just
keep
the
process
kind
of
moving.
A
A
Yeah
and
if
your
comments
are
pretty
similar
to
maybe
the
person
in
front
of
you
or
the
first
few
people
in
front
of
you,
you
know,
keep
your
comments
brief.
You
can
say:
hey
I,
agree
with
the
speaker
before
you're,
seeing
us
show
up
here.
So
thank
you
folks
and
we're
going
to
start
our
one
hour
time.
A
public
comment
and
you'll
have
two
minutes
for
your
comments.
Thank.
C
C
Walk
and
ride
with
all
our
arcade
up,
Pride
friendly
neighbors
there.
That's
where
we
meet,
can
you
tell
me
how
to
get
how
to
get
to
El
Street,
no
dangerous,
semit
trucks?
Well,
maybe
a
few
small
Ducks.
How
much
money
have
we
already
spent?
Can
you
tell
me,
can
we
really
all
have
affordable
rent
families
come
and
play
everything's
a
okay
here
in
linear
park?
It
will
stay
that
way.
D
D
So
Arcada
has
the
Traffic
Safety
Committee
to
make
sure
our
streets
are
safe
and
on
their
May,
16th
2023,
meeting
clear
Dave
Ryan,
the
chairs
and
other
members
of
the
committee
took
mere
seconds
to
reinforce
what
they
have
clearly
stated
as
their
firm
position
on
the
couple
couplet
concept
of
L
Street.
They
are
against
it
and
feel
it
has
no
place
in
a
modern
design
of
arcad
streets
and
traffic
patterns.
What
the
priority
to
improve
El
Street
as
a
people's
Corridor.
Now
there's
a
book
written
by
Jeff,
spec
called
walkable
cities.
D
You
can
look
it
up
it's
in
its
10th
edition
and
he
gives
all
the
reasons
why
two-way
streets
are
much
safer
than
one-way
streets.
The
obvious,
if
you
just
look
at
H
and
G
Street
how
fast
they
drive
on
it,
they
drive
double
the
speed
there.
Businesses
on
the
side
of
the
road,
much
less
business
on
oneway
street
and
they're
much
more
dangerous.
D
El
street
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
places
in
Arcada.
It
should
be
left
just
the
way
it
is.
You
know
in
the
famous
words
of
The
Beatles
Let
It,
Be
You.
Don't
have
to
do
anything,
they
don't
need
gardeners,
It's,
a
Wonderful
Street,
and
it
should
stay
just
the
way
it
is
now
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
about
the
high-rise
buildings.
Recently
there
was
a
incident
on
the
one
on
7th
street
and
the
fire
department
had
a
lot
of
trouble.
Getting
to
that
top
floor.
D
There's
a
there's,
a
whole
re
ution
in
Europe
going
now
it's
called
a
Nordic
revolt
against
ugly
modern
architecture,
and
it
shows
all
these
high
ride
buildings
and
they're
all
against
them.
All
over
Paris
looks
nice
downtown
when
you're
going
to
suburbs
all
these
10
and
15
story,
buildings
and
all
over
America,
they
build
these
lowcost
housing
and
then
they
they
all
ripped
them
down
because
they
were
crime
centers.
D
G
Hi
Council,
commission
staff,
I'm,
Maggie,
Gainer
and
I
wanted
to
address
a
topic
that
is
not
among
the
top
three
that
you
mentioned
for
this
evening.
So
just
really
briefly,
it's
often
forgotten
in
this
type
of
of
planning
and-
and
you
can
guess
it's
waste
so
for
when
you
start
to
drill
down
to
the
details
of
any
kind
of
public
comons
spaces
where
people
will
be
gathering
fairs
festivals,
whether
it's
the
plaza
it's
ballparks
or
whatever.
You
need
to
start
budgeting
and
planning
for
the
infrastructure
for
plumbing.
G
That
will
help
us
to
really
transition
from
our
overemphasis
on
recycling
to
reuse
systems,
and
we
won't
need
all
those
use,
plastic,
water,
bottles
anymore,
because
the
crowds
can
be
hydrated
without
so
it's
it's
infrastructure
and
it's
plumbing
and
that
you
know
I
can
I
can
give
more
detail
and
explanations
of
what
other
cities
are
doing
at
another
time.
But
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
heads
up
thanks.
H
Maggie
feay
honorof,
longtime,
Arcada
resident
to
me
and
many
people
here.
The
question
of
el
street
is
a
question
of
what
type
of
community
we
want
to
be
Jeff
Speck,
who
Guild
made
reference
to
is
an
award-winning
city,
planner
Urban
designer
lecturer
and
author,
who
Advocates
internationally
for
more
walkable
cities,
I
contacted
Mr
spec
about
El
Street
and
about
using
his
material
tonight.
He
responded
with
these
comments.
The
only
the
traffic
will
only
come
to
Arcada
if
Arcada
invites
it
how
to
invite
it
build
more
and
wider
roads.
H
The
following
is
from
his
book
walkable
cities
101
steps
to
making
better
places
quote.
There
are
many
things
that
can
be
measured
in
cities,
Each
of
which
has
its
own
impact
on
success,
density,
diversity,
walkability,
property
value,
resource
conservation,
life
expectancy,
free
flowing
traffic.
All
of
these
relate
to
a
city's
well-being,
attractiveness
and
future
prospects.
Yet
only
one
of
them,
the
last
one
traffic
flow
is
routinely
used
to
direct
decision-,
making
around
a
city's
growth,
and
ironically,
it
is
the
one
that
works
to
the
detriment
of
all
the
others.
H
Let
that
sink
in
the
one
aspect
of
urban
life
that
has
the
most
impact
on
City
Planning
traffic
flow
exists
in
almost
perfect
opposition
to
all
other
good
things.
A
city
can
have
time
and
time
again,
studies
find
clear,
inverse
correlation
between
easy
driving
and
every
other
measure
of
success.
Unquote.
I
appreciate
that
the
planners
are
thinking
about
how
to
accommodate
the
new
residents
in
the
new
housing
going
on
and
I
support
new
housing.
We
need
to
welcome
more
people
here,
but
we
do
not
need
to
welcome
more
cars.
H
Expanding
roads
for
more
cars
is
wrong.
Thinking
born
of
a
different
era.
Please
do
not
expand
El
Street
Paving.
The
way
for
more
Vehicles
El
Street
should
be
expanded
into
a
full
width.
Linear
Park
much
has
been
written
about
the
American
Health
Care
crisis
being
largely
an
Urban
Design
crisis
with
walkability
at
the
heart
of
the
Cure
city
planners
need
to
plan
responsibly,
both
for
our
community
and
the
planet.
I
Hi,
my
name
is
Bob
Stockwell
I've
been
a
longtime
resident
of
Arcada
and
I'm
here
to
say
that
I
do
not
support
turning
El
Street
into
a
thorough,
fair,
but
instead
creating
a
full
withd,
linear,
Park
I
understand
the
need
for
more
housing
in
Arcada
and
I
appreciate
all
of
the
planning
and
work
that
has
been
done
in
creating
the
Gateway
plan,
but
the
El
Street
corridor.
Besides
being
one
of
the
few
city
trails
where
Walkers
are
not
competing
with
cars,
can
be
a
lovely
wide
walking
biking
path
and
with
improvements
be
be
very
park-like.
I
This
would
actually
be
a
draw
for
folks.
In
my
estimation,
that
would
potentially
live
in
the
multi-story
apartment
buildings
that
you're
planning
for
having
a
place
to
go
and
relax
right
in
their
own
neighborhood
would
make
living
at
a
highrise
a
little
more
inviting
please
do
not
turn
El
Street
into
a
thorough
Fair.
Thank
you.
J
Hi
there
I'm
Dave
Ryan.
Please
join
me
for
a
minute
here,
as
I
take
an
imaginary
trip
into
the
future.
I've
just
finished
a
run
on
the
trail
along
the
linear
Park
sitting
outside
of
one
of
my
favorite
cafes,
enjoying
a
smoothie
I,
look
across
the
way
and
see
young
families
laughing
and
smiling
enjoying
themselves
in
front
of
an
ice
cream
shop
down
the
way
I
see
the
El
Street
Banjo
band,
setting
up
for
their
weekly
gig
in
front
of
the
bookstore.
J
It's
a
lovely
evening
in
Arcada
in
this
area
that
people
have
started
calling
the
L
people
of
all
ages
are
out
walking,
biking
or
just
relaxing
relaxing
on
benches
or
at
outside
tables
and
cafes.
It's
quiet
and
enjoyable.
Others
were
here
in
the
morning
at
the
bakery
or
coffee
shop,
along
with
her
kids
running
around
playing
safely
without
worrying
about
cars.
J
Why
did
you
put
it
there
in
the
first
place,
your
leadership
and
vision
is
sorely
needed
right
now,
before
this
opportunity
is
lost
forever.
In
my
imaginary
trip
to
the
future,
I
see
kids
and
others
having
a
safe
space
where
they
don't
have
to
contend
with
cars.
The
city
council
should
emphatically
reject
this
proposal
of
a
new
Street
and
instead
designate
it
as
a
linear
park
for
people.
Thank.
K
That's
true
I
believe
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
keep
up
with
all
of
the
work
you
guys
are
putting
in
and
I
respect
that
another
issue
that
is
right
in
the
same
line
of
thinking
is
the
Turner
housing.
Innovation
Labs
I
think
that
it's
very
important
that
the
city
pays
more
attention
to
the
public
input
and
does
not
work
with
a
conglomerate.
K
Nonprofit,
that's
funded
primarily
by
corporate
interests,
who
have
no
history
here
in
Arcada
are
probably
not
welcome
here
in
Arcada
and
just
generally,
don't
have
the
best
interest
of
our
quality
of
life
in
mind.
I
think
it's
historically
accurate
to
say
that
we
could
go
through
the
examples
for
hours,
as
you
know,
being
sued
by
the
government
different
things
that
these
companies
have
all
been
a
part
of
are
now
funding
information
dashboard.
K
That
is
helping
you
guys,
guide,
City
development
when
so
many
of
the
public
are
hurting
and
losing
hope,
because
they
believe
that
something
is
going
to
happen
here
that
isn't
going
to
be
healthy
or
good
for
the
economy
or
good
for
our
lives
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important
that
we
remain
in
our
character.
There's
a
lot
of
expertise
in
our
kada.
That's
worth
drawing
upon,
and
A
Better
Effort
to
engage
the
public
will
lead
to
fruitful
results.
Thank
you.
L
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
James
CLA
I
thought
I'd
talk
about
building
Heights
and
share
a
minority
opinion
that
probably
doesn't
get
brought
up
at
these
meetings.
Too
often,
I
love
tall
buildings,
I
love,
seeing
tall
buildings,
get
built,
I
love,
seeing
tall
buildings
on
the
landscape,
I
love,
walking
next
to
tall
buildings,
I
think
they
are
an
engineering,
Marvel
I
also
think
they're
psychologically
rewarding.
It's
a
giant
sign
that
someone
thinks
your
community
is
worthwhile
to
invest
huge
sums
of
money
into
usually
to
the
tune
of
20
to
$40
million.
L
Yes,
single
family
dwellings
can
be
beautiful,
but
in
reality
that's
a
single
family
that
is
benefiting
from
that
build.
A
large
building
can
benefit
many
families,
businesses
Etc
on
Building
height
in
the
Gateway
area
plan.
Two
things
to
note:
the
maximums
are
permissive,
not
mandatory
with
language
like
allows
up
to
not
requires
buildings
to
be
or
building.
Heights
must
be
second
note:
Builders
may
not
build
eight-story
buildings
or
or
seven
story.
Buildings.
Conventional
wood
frame
construction
is
limited
to
five
stories.
Switching
to
other
framing
methods
is
more
expensive
and
requires
an
entirely
different
building
technique.
L
Who's
to
say
that
the
majority
of
Builders
may
choose
to
build
five-story
buildings
or
four-story
buildings,
even
though
higher
buildings
are
allowed.
Please
leave
the
building
Heights
in
the
land
use
designations,
as
presented
in
the
plan.
Please
don't
let
two
years
of
work,
thousands
of
Staff
hours,
hundreds
of
volunteer
committee
hours,
be
kneecapped
in
the
final
leg
of
this
process.
I
think
the
Gateway
plan
is
an
amazing
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Arcada
to
grow
in
a
manner
consistent
with
its
values
and
to
equitably
welcome
more
people
into
our
community.
Thank
you
for
your.
M
Time
good
evening,
council
members,
I'm
Colin
Fisk
executive
director
of
crtp,
the
Coalition
for
responsible
Transportation
priorities.
Crtp
members
and
supporters
include
many
local
organizations
as
well,
as
has
hundreds
of
individuals.
Many
of
them
are
kada
residents.
You've
heard
me
say
many
times
now
that
the
Gateway
area
plan
is
the
most
bike
and
pedestrian
friendly
plan
that
we've
yet
seen
proposed
in
humbel
County.
There
are
a
lot
of
reasons.
That's
true,
but
I'll
just
stick
to
two
of
them
tonight.
M
One
reason
is
the
plan
density
research
shows
very
clearly
that
denser
development
is
needed
for
walking
and
biking
as
well
as
to
support
improvements
in
public
transportation
and
Transit
ridership.
That
means
frankly,
taller
buildings
exactly
as
the
plan
calls
for,
of
course,
another
critical
feature
that
makes
this
plan
so
bike
and
pedestrian
friendly
are
the
direct
improvements
to
the
bike
and
pedestrian
system
that
are
laid
out
in
the
plan.
N
M
This
part
of
Arcada
I
want
to
call
out
that
K,
Street
and
11th
Street
are
the
biggest
gaps
in
the
low
stress
bike
system
and
the
biggest
barriers
in
both
the
bike
and
pedestrian
systems,
because
it's
often
dangerous
and
stressful
to
cross
them.
So
the
bottom
line
is
that
fixing
those
streets
is
a
top
priority.
As
part
of
this
plan,
it
is
a
perfect
plan.
No,
of
course
nothing
is
perfect,
but
it's
a
really
good
plan.
M
It's
one
of
the
best
that
we've
seen
and
the
Planning
Commission
has
made
it
even
better,
with
almost
two
years
of
painstaking
review,
they've
recommended
building
Heights
of
four
to
seven
stories
in
the
various
districts
or
limits
of
four
to
seven
stories.
They've
also
agreed
on
the
need
for
significant
near-term
safety
improvements
on
K
Street,
so
we
would
ask
that
you
respect
those
recommendations,
move
this
plan
forward
and
also
to
agendize
K
and
11th
Street
safety
improvements
separately
and
soon
so
that
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
fixing
those
streets.
Thank
you
so.
O
Much
hello
to
all
James
Becker,
I,
Want,
To,
Praise,
council,
member
schaer,
Matthews
and
white
for
your
individual
consensus
policy.
Ideas
on
the
El
Street,
linear,
Park
and
DEC
comping
safety
improvements
for
K
Street
I
believe
it's
possible
to
make
K
Street
safer
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
without
sacrificing
at
the
L
Street
Corridor,
which
an
entirety
is
the
center
piece
of
arc's
infill
transformation
moving
forward.
O
Hopefully
you
can
solidify
this
position
and
start
to
nurture
a
vision
for
the
El
Street
Park
I
Envision
neighborhood's
Trail
stewardship,
dedicating
Frontage
ements
to
mesh
into
the
parkway
infill
housing
that
scales
up
as
it
steps
back
from
the
corridor.
The
celebration
of
urban
Greenways
phasing
in
and
out
of
a
werf
Passage
through
the
kery
district.
The
essence
of
the
L
Street
rails,
with
Trail
Corridor,
offers
much
potential
drawn
from
its
basic
Simplicity.
If
you
design
outward
from
the
L
Street
Corridor
El
Street,
lineer
Park,
then
the
entire
plan
becomes
more
harmonious,
walking
and
cycling.
O
Paths
can
flow
from
existing
neighborhoods
and
future
infill
alike
into
arc's.
Primary
active
Transportation
Corridor
much
like
daylighted
creeks
and
wetlands,
combining
into
complex
complemented
by
Wildlife
corridors
unimpeded
by
segmentation,
a
place
to
commute
a
place
to
socialize
a
place
to
coexist,
a
place
where
travelers
from
as
far
away
from
San
Francisco,
Bay
Area
will
choose
to
linger
and
explore
and
admire
arca's
contribution
to
the
great
Redwood
Trail.
Following
these
basic
guiding
principles,
the
possibilities
are
unlimited
preservation
of
the
El
Street
quter
and
its
dedication
as
a
linear.
O
Park
offers
a
moment
of
healing
for
a
large
number
of
community
members
looking
for
a
sign
that
their
voice
makes
a
difference.
Finally,
I
encourage
the
city
council
to
either
strike
the
Gap
policy,
g7i
no
net
loss,
class
trails
from
the
Gateway
draft
or
clarify
that
it
does
not
apply
to
the
L
Street
pathway
and
the
L
stre
pathway
shall
not
be
traded
for
another
trail
location.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
everything.
You're.
F
Doing
good
evening,
Commissioners,
mayor
Schaefer,
council,
members,
Matthew
and
white,
thank
you
for
each
recognizing
that
K
Street
Improvement
need
shall
not
be
at
the
expense
of
el
Street
Corridor.
It's
encouraging
to
hear
your
recommendations
for
for
El
Street.
They
clearly
reflect
the
work
and
work
to
logically
examine
all
the
information
and
our
emotions.
A
few
loopholes
to
close
first
completely
eliminate
the
KL
Street
couplet
from
the
Gateway
draft.
F
That's
honestly
prioritize
active
Transportation
over
Vehicles
two
focus
on
K
Street
concerns
now
invite
Dan
Burton
back
to
help
his
Solutions
are
vast
and
he
emphasizes
public
engagement
like
he'd,
be
like
a
bridge
over
a
divide.
Three
close
the
door
for
the
future
need
to
move
more
traffic
down,
L
Street
and
finally
give
us
our
promised
Park
from
2010
designate.
All
the
Open
Spaces
within
El
Street,
the
El
Street
Corridor
to
the
linear.
Park
put
this
language
in
the
Gateway
area
draft
as
well.
F
The
community's
vision
for
the
El,
Street,
linear,
Park
and
staff's
vision
are
vastly
different
from
one
another
I
clarify
we
do
not
want
a
useless
strip
of
grass
next
to
a
major
road.
We
do.
We
want
the
full
monty
we
do.
Please
do
not
Brazilian
wax
our
park,
we
want
benches,
we
want
art,
flowers,
trees,
wetlands
and
bushes,
so,
hopefully,
from
here
forward,
we
can
break
down
the
barriers
increase.
F
The
community
involvement,
democr
democ
de
democratic
Ally
engaged
to
discuss
the
Gateway
concerns
together
as
a
community
for
Building
height
setback,
stepback,
solar,
shading,
affordability,
home
ownership
opportunities
infrastructure
demand.
The
list
continues
it's
time
to
pull
the
community
out
of
the
non-c
comporting
box.
Yes,
we're
told
the
city
is
not
striving
for
the
Maserati
plan,
but
we
don't
want
to
end
up
with
a
pinto.
Thank.
E
E
Not
all
voted
for
seven
stories
was
was
what
you
wanted,
and
unfortunately
you
made
that
decision
when
we
had
the
fire
district,
that
it
was
just
there
a
few
weeks
prior
and
asked
you
not
to
make
that
decision,
because
they
need
to
do
an
analysis
on
what
they
could
were
capable
of
of
doing
and
and
that
didn't
come
about
till
January
of
this
year.
They
were
postponed
a
number
of
times
and
at
that
meeting
they
basically
said,
don't
build
anything
over
three
stories,
because
we
cannot.
E
We
can't
s
surface,
that
we
already
have
the
soral
place,
which
they
brought
up
at
that
time,
that
they
had
two
in
incidents
with
oven
fires
and
it
almost
got
out
of
control.
They
also
stated
a
lot
of
people
are
volunteers.
It's
not
ethical
to
ask
people
to
go
into
mid-rises
our
highrises,
and
that
has
not.
E
We
haven't
had
a
conversation
about
that
since
I'd
also
like
to
address
the
fact
that
sea
level
rise
from
the
fact
that
you're
building
in
what
is
the
coastal
zone
onethird
of
it
and
there's
a
reason-
it's
called
the
coastal
zone
because
it
was
underwater
in
the
19
1850s.
All
these
dkes
were
built
so
with
with
events
of
sea
level
rise,
I
mean
look
at
the
news.
In
the
last
two
months,
we've
had
off
Key
West
the
ocean
temperature
was
101°
and
killing
off
our
coral
and
and
also
we've
also
had
sea
ice.
E
It's
a
35%
reduction
this
this
year,
so
this
area,
you
had
experts
here
in
this
chamber.
That
said
not
a
very
good
idea
to
be
building
there.
Why
would
you
want
to
invest
and
put
all
this
money
into
an
area
that
is
going
to
be
underwater,
so
you
need
to
really
address
these
things.
We
haven't
had
a
conversation
on
any
of
these
sense.
P
Thanks
good
evening,
Dave
Mizer
from
Arcada
I
think
we
have
to
realize
where
the
Gateway
plan
came
from
originally
and
it
was
kind
of
outside
not
outside
distant
but
Consultants
who
were
asked
to
come
up
with
a
plan,
and
they
came
up
with
this
beautiful
colorful
plan
showing
these
beautiful
buildings
with
people
happily
walking
down
the
Shaded
streets
as
if
we
needed
shaded
streets
here
and
it's
kind
of
been
imposed
upon
us
as
a
starting
point.
Rather
than
a
more
organic
process.
P
Personally
I
go
down
on
my
bicycle:
I
go
down
Alliance
quite
a
bit
and
I've
never
seen
a
huge
amount
of
traffic
there
and
I
rarely
see
a
truck
there.
Every
now
and
then
there'll
be
a
co-op
truck
or
something
something.
And
even
if
traffic
were
to
double
it's
clear
that
K,
Street,
Alliance
K
would
take
the
load
if
it
were
redesigned.
P
The
thing
we
really
have
to
look
at
is
the
overall
Gateway
plan
and
how
it
was
this
formulated,
Thing
by
an
Advisory
Group
by
a
set
of
designers
who
came
up
with
this
beautiful
idea
out
of
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
where
and
now
we're
dealing
with
that,
rather
than
a
more
organic,
more
Arc
friendly
way
of
growing,
which
would
be
using
such
things
as
sb9,
so
that
people
could
put
extra
units
in
their
backyards.
So
please
consider
that
and
do
save
L
street.
Thank.
Q
You
hello,
my
name
is
Stephanie
Harden,
but
I
go
by
Stevie
and
I
live
in
my
Chevrolet
currently
parked
on
9th
and
L
Street,
where
I've
opened
a
cute
little
rock
shop
in
the
storage
units
across
the
corner
from
the
Pub
I'm,
a
witness
of
this
Trail
by
the
rail
and
I
watch
the
py
parade
every
day.
Pety
is
an
old
guy
and
his
his
Pals
walk
him
and
help
him
exercise
because
he
needs
to
stretch
his
legs.
Q
Q
R
I
work
in
a
fairly
highp
paying
industry
and
my
co-workers
still
have
a
hard
time.
Finding
housing
and
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
projects
that
tribes
want
to
complete,
but
they
always
have
are
stopped
by
thinking
about
well
who's,
going
to
who's
going
to
come
work
for
this
because
there's
not
enough
housing
around
and
I.
Don't
think
this
issue
should
be
dragged
out
any
longer.
I
think
the
commission
has
put
in
a
lot
of
work
on
this,
and
it
can
be
approved
as
it
is.
R
I
also
want
to
urge
you
not
to
reduce
building
Heights
and
leave
the
plan,
as
is
I,
think
it's
frustrating
to
hear
people
complaining
about
shade
when
we're
looking
to
house
more
people
and
that's
the
bottom
line
and
I'm
tired
of
seeing
a
small,
wealthier
subset
of
the
city
and
population
benefit
from
the
city
and
others
are
left
behind.
Thank.
S
You
hello,
I'm,
I'm,
Martha,
Jane
I
have
a
letter
from
the
beer,
humle
County
beer,
Runners
about
against
the
couplet,
and
then
I
prepared
some
things
U
for
myself.
So
I'll
just
start.
So
this
is
the
Humble
County
beer
Runners
we're
a
group,
a
group
who
meets
every
Wednesday
at
5:30
to
run
a
local
Trail
and
visit
afterwards
at
a
local
restaurant
or
Brewery.
We
meet
rain
or
shine
dark
winter
nights.
S
We
run
on
the
Arcada
Marsh
Eureka
Waterfront,
clam
Beach,
the
McKay
Community
Forest
Trail,
and
the
Arcada
Community
Forest
Forest.
We
heartily
welcome
all
we
have
a
great
time
enjoying
where
we
live
and
getting
to
know
our
special
Community.
We
do
not
support
the
K&L
couplet
idea
being
put
forward
in
the
city's
Gateway
planning
as
Runners.
We
know
that
it's
what
it's
like
to
run
on
streets
and
dedicated
paths.
S
When
we
have
a
chance,
we
run
the
rail
trail
on
L
Street
to
access
the
Arcada
Marsh,
it's
quiet
and
friendly,
even
with
wide
bike,
pedestrian
paths
included,
El
Street
will
become
a
more
D
will
become
more
dangerous
at
each
intersection
and
the
calm,
linear,
Park
F
will
be
gone.
El
streak
is
a
linear
Park
and
has
room
for
urban
growth.
Please
don't
make
it
a
car
and
delivery
truck
connector
between
Alliance
Road
and
Sima
Boulevard.
So
that's
one
and
I'll
see
how
far
I
can
get
on
this.
S
So
this
is
this
is
from
me.
The
Gateway
planning
area
is
Big.
The
documents
are
dense.
Many
people
have
aligned
on
sides
rather
than
discussing
ideas
about
how
to
plan
a
great
space.
I
have
been
heart
by
the
people
standing
up
for
the
L
Street
linear
Park.
They
have
a
dedication
and
a
vision
for
an
inclusive
and
livable
Arcada
I
believe
the
Gateway
area
can
increase
in
density
and
still
contain
the
El
Street
linear
park,
with
without
the
KL
couet.
S
By
abandoning
this
couplet,
this
area
could
remain
a
calm
and
human-
centered
Place
L
Street,
as
a
proposed
connector
Street
between
Alliance
Road
and
Sim
Boulevard
downgrades
the
experience
of
this
area
by
supporting
the
Arcada
L
Street
linear
Park.
We
build
on
a
reality
already
in
everyday
use,
so
is
that
it.
T
Okay,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jeff
hunlock
I'm,
with
the
humble
delnort
building
in
construction,
trades
council
with
15
Affiliated
unions,
here
locally
I'm.
Also,
a
humble
County
resident
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
and
the
council
members
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
the
Gateway
Way
project.
I
I
urge
you
to
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
Listen.
My
members
I
want
to
speak
deeply.
My
members
here
locally
can't
even
afford
to
buy
a
house
and
they
make
a
fairly
good
wage
living
wage.
T
It's
a
big
big
problem
here
with
all
the
things
in
the
future.
Look
we're
sitting
on
a
gold
mine
here
in
humo
County.
Regarding
the
offshore
win,
the
port
development.
There's
people
going
to
be
coming,
not
a
gang
of
people.
We
want
to
house
the
people
here
from
Humbolt
calply,
my
workers,
I
I,
tell
you
it's
a
struggle.
I
can
speak
this
because
I'm
one
of
those
workers
I
live
in
a
fifth
wheel.
T
Trailer
I've,
been
here
eight
years
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
afford
a
house
for
me
and
I
do
make
a
fairly
decent
living.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
look.
We
are
in
a
housing
crisis
for
the
tribal
Nations
for
the
calply
for
Humble
County
for
Arcada
I
mean
we're
we're
sitting
here.
Talking
about
the
plan
and
look
I
agree
with
the
community.
Okay,
there
has
to
be
stipulations,
made,
I
think
the
county
or
the
city
of
Arcada.
T
The
commission
has
done
a
great
job
in
the
plan
in
the
Gateway
plan
and
moving
it.
Forward
is
an
urgent,
I.
I
couldn't
tell
you
how
urgent
it
is
to
move
forward
tonight
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
I
hope
you
build
it,
because
our
work
ERS
want
to
work
on
it.
They
want
to
live
in
it
and
so
does
a
lot
of
other
people.
So
thank
you
for
the.
U
Instead
of
going
to
Europe,
where
it's
human
focused
to
live
because
it
wasn't
built
around
cars,
I
chose
to
come
back
to
Arcada,
because
I
had
helped
Envision
a
community
that
wasn't
organized
around
cars
that
prioritized
humans
and
sure
we
can
make
a
ton
of
money,
building
a
bunch
of
high-rise
buildings
and
we'll
house
a
lot
of
people.
But
will
this
be
a
place
that
anyone
wants
to
live
and
I
speak
for
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community
who
are
Homer,
raising
kids
right
now?
Who
can't
be
at
a
meeting
like
this?
U
Who
are
professionals,
doctors,
lawyers
and
can't
come
and
voice
their
opinion,
and
every
single
one
of
them
feels
strongly
that
what
this
County
needs
is
more
green
spaces.
I
originally
got
involved
in
the
creary
district,
because
it
was
a
center
for
creativity
as
opposed
to
Commerce
and
consumerism.
We
need
spaces
where
people
can
be
where
they
can
collaborate
where
they
can
come
together,
where
yeah
there
are
trees.
U
So
that's
all
I
want
to
share
I
hope
that
you
respect
the
hard
work
that
I've
been
putting
in
since
I
was
11
years
old,
demonstrating
in
front
of
this
building
for
green
spaces
and
creative
spaces
in
Arcada,
I
have
invested
my
entire
life
in
this
community
I
hope
to
stay.
I
love
the
creary
district,
I
love.
What
we've
put
together
down
there
in
terms
of
a
space.
That's
supports
people
of
all
walks
of
life
and
sure
we
need
housing.
Definitely
it'll
come
if
we
make
the
resources
happen.
So
thank.
V
You
good
evening,
I'm
Fred,
wise
with
arcer
1.com
I,
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
Mayor
schaer
vice
mayor
Matthews
and
council
member
White
by
taking
a
larger
view
in
areas
that
are
crucial
for
the
city's
success,
you're
breathing
some
new
life
into
this
process
in
a
way
that
is
respectful
to
the
people
of
Arcada.
Thank
you.
Our
next
Community
Le
Gateway
meeting
will
take
place
in
two
weeks,
September
5th
at
the
Arcada
Playhouse
5:30
p.m.
for
conceptual
big
picture.
Conversation
that's
required
now.
V
I
propose
that
the
meeting
framework
that's
been
proposed
here
is
not
suitable
and
would
work
against
your
goals.
The
the
agenda
in
two
places
states
that
the
Planning
Commission
quote,
provided
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
for
adoption.
End
quote:
we
are
not
here
for
the
adoption
of
any
recommendation
as
I
think
we
all
know
the
planning
commission's
minutes
state
that
they
have
forwarded
their
working
draft
of
the
general
plan
updates
to
the
city
council
for
discussion
and
consideration.
I
suggest
this
error
in
tonight's
agenda
to
be
corrected
immediately.
V
The
plan
area
massing
diag
is
a
3D
image
of
potential
new
development
in
the
Gateway
area.
It
would
enable
the
council,
members
and
the
public
and
the
Commissioners
to
evaluate
the
look
and
feel
and
the
solar
shading
of
the
taller
buildings.
This
has
been
absent.
The
city
has
spent
$35,000
on
3D
images,
and
they
are
nowhere
to
be
found.
This
was
contracted
eight
months
ago.
I
propose
that
no
city
planner
can
evaluate
the
massing
and
tall
buildings
without
something
like
this.
W
Thanks
hello,
my
name
is
Cody
frus
I'm
with
the
operating
engineers,
local
3,
lifelong
resident
of
Humble
County.
However,
I
wasn't
someone
who
was
able
to
afford
to
live
in
Humble
County,
my
entire
career,
so
just
recently
after
10
years
of
traveling
being
on
the
road,
I'm
I'm
back
home
full-time
now,
so
I
I
would
like
to
voice
my
support
of
the
Gateway
project
and
bringing
access
and
housing
to
people
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
of
Legacy
projects
in
our
area.
Coming
on
with
a
lot
of
other
things
coming
our
way.
W
Personally,
nothing
is
more
of
a
legacy
project
than
living
in
a
town
or
living
in
any
sort
of
construction
that
you
help
buil
help
design.
You
can
see
in
your
community
every
day
driving
to
something
on
your
way.
Home
is
awesome,
but
seeing
something
and
being
around
something
that
you
help
build,
help
create
every
day
in
your
home
is
what
a
project
truly
means
to
me.
Thank.
N
You
hi
I'm
Alan,
sandborn,
I'm,
glad
you're.
Still
here,
Judith
I
know,
I
would
like
to
see
Arcada,
just
as
it
was
in
1970
it
was.
It
was
Eden,
it
was
Paradise,
but
it's
not
going
to
happen.
I
think
we
live
and
Breathe
by
the
university
and
the
university
is
planning
to
expand
and
there
will
be
an
influx
in
people.
There
will
be
a
project
happening,
I
think
all
the
workers
who
are
planning
on
working
we'll
be
working
on
something
but
I
think
that
there
is.
We
talk
about
green
spaces
and
parks.
N
There
are
green
spaces,
there's
a
beautiful
Green
Space,
a
lovely,
almost
Park
on
El
Street.
The
people
here
in
Arcada
have
made
it
happen.
We
Center
on
that.
Why
do
we
have
to
cender
on?
How
do
we
make
cars
and
trucks
move
better?
Why
can't
we
Center
on
we've
got
a
beautiful
little
spot
of
Paradise
in
the
middle
of
Arcada.
We
keep
that
and
move
around
it.
How
do
you
move
around
it
with
a
truck
route?
I
believe
unless
it's
changed,
the
city
has
a
right
away.
N
That
Q
Street
will
be
able
to
go
straight
through
to
Samoa
Boulevard
great
truck
route.
Q
to
11th
takes
care
of
that
part
of
town
trucks
that
need
to
service.
There
can
go
there,
anybody
that
needs
to
go
north
of,
say,
18th
Street.
The
truck
route
is
easy.
It
comes
off
ginoli,
Lane,
so
I,
don't
know.
Why
there's
this
insistence
that
we
have
to
do
something
drastic
to
El
Street,
which
is
a
beautiful,
beautiful
Park
and
is
created
it's
creative.
It's
created
the
people
here
made
it
that
way.
Why
can't
we
Center
things
on?
N
Let's
keep
El
Street,
this
beautiful
little
Paradise
in
the
middle
of
town,
I,
probably
don't
have.
Oh,
the
other
thing
to
say
is
we
need
to
include
places
for
homeowners.
Most
of
what
I've
heard
talked
about.
Is
people
talking
about
rental
units,
lots
of
rental
units,
probably
owned
by
private
Equity
firms
llc's
from
outside
the
area?
That's
not
helpful
to
Arcada
it's
helpful
to
the
workers
here,
while
they're
being
built,
oh
shoot
anyway.
Could
we
include
something
for
potential
homeowners
in
these
new
apartments
of
Condominiums?
Thank.
X
You
hi
I'm,
Ursula,
Newman
and
I
grew
up
here
in
Arcada
and
I've
been
going
to
calpo
H
umol,
I,
really
love
this
town
and
I've
also
growing
up
seen
the
impact
of
the
long-going
housing
crisis
on
local
people.
I
believe
that
positive
change
can
happen
for
Arcada
and
I
know
it's
inevitable,
but
I
hope
that
you
can
take
into
account
that
we
must
grow
sustainably
and
we
must
grow
with
the
community.
X
So
many
people
have
spoken
today
about
what
the
community
believes
in
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
make
K
Street
a
safer
Road
by
preserving
the
linear,
Park,
creating
the
linear,
Park
and
also
to
prioritize
sustainable
growth.
We
should
not
be
pressured
by
calpoly
Humble
to
do
it
the
wrong
way.
Thank.
A
You
just
just
real
quick
so
because
we
are
getting
you
know
we
got
like
20
minutes
left
in
this
hour.
So
if
you
are
planning
on
speaking,
please
do
line
up
so
I
can
we
can
have
a
better
idea
of
how
many
speakers
we
do
have
left.
So
please,
if
you
are
able,
please
line
up
or
raise
your
hand
on
Zoom.
Thank
you.
Y
Hello
I
was
sitting
at
home
watching
this
on
TV
and
I.
Thought
well
I
better
come
down
here
and
say
what
I
have
to
say.
I
wrote
this
up
so
here,
I
am
arcade
is
a
special
place.
Earlier
this
year,
I
published
a
book
about
arcadea
called
Arcada
2022
18
ways
of
looking
at
a
city
in
it,
I
try
to
Define
what
is
special
about
arada.
Y
Can
we
live
the
old
days?
No
Arcada
doesn't
have
one
of
those.
We
only
have
a
downtown
a
north
town
and
east
side
and
west
side
and
so
forth.
Are
we
missing
something?
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
the
reason
we
don't
have
an
old
town
is
we
don't
put
our
past
behind
us
and
set
it
aside
as
something
other.
Instead,
we
live
our
past.
The
past
is
a
huge
element
of
our
culture.
Y
It
informs
our
identity
each
time
we
amble
down
one
of
our
city
streets
with
our
eclectic
shops
and
services
that
fill
almost
all
our
needs
as
citizens
of
a
small
City.
Maybe
you've
also
noticed
that,
although
we
ar
Cadence's
love
our
city,
we're
not
snobs
about
it,
nobody's
better
than
anybody
else
here
we
s
the
sense
of
equality
is
a
deeply
held
American
value
and
is
something
we
honor
in
Arcada
in
an
exemplary
way.
Y
Z
You
good
evening,
I'm
una
Smith
from
the
humel
County
Association
of
governments,
I'd
like
to
start
out
by
thanking
all
the
planning,
Commissioners
and
staff
city
council
and
all
the
community
members
who
have
engaged
in
this
process.
It's
been
a
long
two
years
and
we
just
really
appreciate
all
the
caring
thoughtfulness
and
basically
love
that
has
gone
into
it.
Z
The
history
of
cities
teaches
us
that
cities
succeed
and
decline
depending
on
people
and
place
if
cities
either
Thrive
or
struggle,
it
depends
on
people
having
places
they
want
to
go
to
and
having
safe,
reliable
means
to
get
there,
and
all
that
without
bankrupting
the
city.
Hog's
goal
is
Safe,
Streets,
comfortable
streets,
vibrant
neighborhoods
and
thriving
a
and
thriving
cities
for
our
entire
region.
Thus,
hcog
enthusiastically
supports
the
ways
in
which
the
Gateway
area
plan
upholds
strategies
for
walkable
communities,
walkable
neighborhoods,
higher
density
and
infill
development.
Z
We
know
these
are
the
things
that
help
cities
Thrive
and
not
decline
to
those
ends.
Hcog
also
encourages
planning
for
Target
speeds
of
20
mph
to
uphold
all
those
other
goals
and
in
downtown
and
mixed
use
are
areas
of
the
plan.
We
also
encourage
planning
for
a
Target
population,
because
we
know
to
support
all
these
places
we
want
to
build.
We
need
people
who
will
be
the
employee
pool,
they
will
be
the
patrons,
they
will
be.
Z
AA
You
hello,
I'm,
Jane,
I'm,
a
business
owner
in
the
crary
building.
I
wish
I
were
more
prepared
to
speak
today,
but
I've
been
talking
about
this
and
thinking
about
this.
For
a
long
time
now,
I've
been
speaking
with
customers
in
my
store
on
a
regular
basis
for
for
probably
2
years,
I'm
continually
shocked
at
how
few
people
in
this
city
even
know
what
the
Gateway
plan
is.
I
do
my
best
to
try
and
fill
people
in,
but,
as
you
all
know,
it's
pretty
complicated
so
for
now,
because
it
is
so
complicated.
AA
I
just
like
to
focus
on
El
Street
every
day
when
I
come
to
work,
I
speak
to
and
talk
to
all
sorts
of
people
who
ride
bikes
and
walk
when
they
find
out
that
there
might
be
traffic,
including
large
trucks
right
next
to
them.
They
all
say
the
same
thing:
I
won't
use
it
anymore.
It's
pretty
much.
The
only
green
space
only
trail
that
we
have
like
this
in
our
entire
town,
and
it's
really
important
children
play
right
there.
All
the
time
there
are.
There
are
summer
camps
that
happen
with
redw
racks,
which
is
right.
AA
Next
to
my
business
business
this
past
weekend
we
had
six
bouncy
houses,
bans
and
lots
and
lots
of
children
in
families,
and
they
were
all
playing
right
there
right
next
to
the
bike
path.
Now
some
say:
oh,
it's
only
one
lane
one
way
cars
won't
go
fast.
Well,
it's
not
just
that
they
won't
go
fast.
They
will
or
they
won't
I
mean
yes,
they
might
go
faster
on
a
two-lane
Runway
road,
but
the
thing
is:
what
happens
is
when
people
try
to
cross
oneway
streets
in
a
car?
AA
AB
AB
AB
What
I
don't
really
hear
enough
about,
though,
are
the
people
on
K
Street,
the
the
residents
on
K
Street,
the
people
who
would
walk
on
K,
Street,
I
I,
just
don't
see
how
we
K
Street,
could
can
sustain
two-way
traffic
and
bike
Lanes
and
wider
sidewalks
is
just
physically
not
there
that
much
space.
In
order
for
that
to
happen,
I
am
a
pedestrian
and
I
I
think
that
I
represent
well
the
people
who
walk,
who,
who
would
I
mean
it?
AB
AB
Sorry,
if
K
Street
was
such
a
hellscape,
which
it
is
actually
it's
not
that
Pleasant
to
walk
on
and
a
lot
of
people
say
that
they
don't
walk
on
it
and
that
they
wouldn't
walk
on
it
and
I.
Think
that
begs
a
question
like
why?
Wouldn't
they
it's
because
it's
not
a
great
Street
to
walk
on,
it's
not
a
great
Street
to
cross.
So
my
my
point
is
if,
if
well,
there's
many
points,
one
though
this
linear
Park
thing
is
a
great
idea,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
AB
AC
AC
I
was
raised
in
a
family
in
the
50s
with
a
mother
who
had
great
Ambitions
and
was
always
the
only
woman
on
city,
council
and
school
boards,
and
she
did
so
much
heavy
lifting
for
the
community
with
some
results,
but
I
do
know
what
it
takes
and
I
am
very
honored
that
that
you
are
doing
it.
I
want
to
encourage
you,
though,
I
am
concerned
that
there's
not
enough
listening
to
the
people.
There's
not
enough
transparency
in
some
of
your
decisions.
AC
I
am
still
disappointed
that
the
Transportation
committee's
recommendations
have
been
Dishonored,
that
portions
of
them
have
been
lifted
out
of
context
and
presented
separately,
and
that
I
think
that
was
dishonorable.
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
know
that
I
have
lived
in
Arcada
for
almost
seven
years.
I've
had
to
move
four
times.
I
am
the
local
librarian.
I
have
many
degrees.
AC
I
have
struggled
to
live
here
and
afford
housing
I,
of
course,
forget
buying,
but
I'm
a
renter
and
I
am
now
secure
only
because
of
the
good
friends
and
people
that
I
have
made
in
a
very
short
time.
So
please
know
that
most
cities
in
the
United
States
are
on
fire
I
just
spent
six
weeks
in
Indiana
and
my
Illinois
friends
in
rural
Illinois
are
also
burning
up
and
it
is
a
complete
disaster.
So
it
is
super
important
not
to
add
pavement
to
this
town.
AC
AB
A
AD
AD
Who's
worked
in
slowing
traffic
and
he
taught
us
about
many
different
Alternatives
that
I
think
are
open
to
us
and
when
I
read
the
agenda
that
you
passed
out,
I
notice
that
many
of
you
are
considering
some
of
his
ideas
and
I
think
that
it
was
Dan
Burton.
That
said,
learn
where
people
want
to
go
and
make
it
possible
for
them
to
get
there,
and
we
have
a
beautiful
path
on
L
Street
and
it's
a
base.
AD
It's
it's
basic,
but
all
we
have
to
do
is
add
a
few
trees,
a
few
benches
and
you
know
a
little
G
Green
Space
for
kids
to
play
in
and
we
we'd
have
a
great
thing
and
then
there's
the
hope
that
in
the
future
that
the
great
Redwood
Trail
is
going
to
you
know,
I
guess
you
would
say
match
up
with
it
or
meet
with
it
and
I
hope
that
that's
something
that
would
be
profitable
to
Arcada
I.
Think
that.
AE
If
they
can,
you
know
it
work,
so
maybe
these
trails
and
these
Parks
you
guys
are
talking
about.
Maybe
that
could
be
part
of
something
that
it's
just
ideas:
I'm,
throwing
out
there.
But
from
what
I've
gathered
from
information
from
the
homeless,
that
sounds
like
a
strategy
that
would
work
and
and
then
it
would
clean
up
the
city.
So
I.
AF
AF
AG
Community
hello,
my
name
is
Dana
quman
I've
owned
my
house
here
since
1987
I'm,
one
of
those
horrible
homeowners
here
that
you
know
want
to
keep
everybody
out
so
anyway.
What
I
have
to
say
is
what
I've
said
before
humble
state
cowply
is
the
housing
Hog
on
the
hill
and
all
of
our
housing
problems
we
know
are
caused
by
cowply
and
their
desire
to
expand.
AG
So
I
I
really
suggest
that
everybody
needs
to
stand
up
against
that
and
push
against
that,
and
yes,
there's
always
going
to
be
new
people
that
come
here
and
want
to
live
here
and
and
eventually,
what's
this
town
going
to
look
like
when
you've
built
all
the
buildings
to
house
all
the
people
that
want
to
live
here-
and
you
know
everyone's
got
their
perspective.
The
builders
want
work
to
build
those
buildings.
The
bike
riders
want
places,
the
Walkers
want
safe
place.
AG
Well,
I'm
a
crippled
person,
okay,
I'm
a
crippled
person
for
13
years
now,
I'm
only
66
I.
Look
at
this
audience
lots
of
white
hair.
Here
we
have
a
big
population
of
people
that
are
growing
older
and
where
is
everyone
going
to
park?
Has
anyone
looked
at
Fred
wise?
Thank
you
very
much.
Fred
Weise
he's
the
hero
of
this
movement
at
at
his
just
go
on
his
website
and
put
in
the
search
bar
parking
and
read
the
articles
on
there
to
see
how
this
will
be
worse
than
San.
AG
Francisco
has
ever
been
so
all
the
old
people
and
the
crippled
people
and
it's
pouring
rain,
and
we
can't
even
get
up.
We
can't
even
get
a
parking
space
in
Co-op
now,
because
every
other
business
parks
there
and
it's
not
their
parking
lot.
So
can
we
please
talk
about
the
big
elephant
in
the
room
which
is
parking
in
this
city?
AG
If
you
look
and
see
how
little
parking
they're
planning
for
this
project
I
can't
even
believe
that
it's
gotten
I
can't
believe
that
it's
been
talked
about
for
two
years,
I
mean
what
a
waste
of
time
I
I
hope
it's
true,
that
they
will
not
lend
that
Bankers
will
not
lend
on
this
project.
For
that
simple
case
alone,
it's
ridiculous!
So
thank
you
for
all
your
time.
I
hope
it's
not
a
waste.
I
hope
you
can
make
this
good
for
all
of
us.
Thank.
AH
You
hi
Paul
patino
arada,
you
know
it's
it's
pretty
clear
that
the
population
does
not
want
Ellen,
K,
Street,
couplet
and
I'm
glad
that
there's
a
lot
lot
of
people
here,
showing
support
for
that
linear,
Park.
So
I
won't
talk
about
that.
I
think
that
you
need
to
look
at
the
other
few
things
parking
for
one.
There
should
be
a
space
for
every
unit,
not
for
every
bed,
but
for
every
unit.
One
parking
place
and
the
height
limit
should
be
four
stories.
That's
simple.
Thank.
AI
You
hello,
my
name
is
Lisa
pelich
here,
I
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
tonight
because
my
name
is
a
bit
mud
right
now,
but
I
I
wrote
a
letter
to
the
Mad
River
Union
I
have
apologized
to
the
council
members
who
should
not
have
been
singled
out,
but
anyway,
I
wasn't
going
to
speak,
but
then
I
heard
about
you
know
the
old
people
in
the
town
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
start
thinking
about
the
students
are
part
of
our
population.
They
Des
deserve
to
be
here.
AI
They
contribute
so
much
to
our
community
and
yeah
I'm
for
the
El
Street
linear,
Park
I'm
for
four-story
buildings.
But
I
was
for
eight
story
buildings
in
the
beginning,
because
I
wanted
more
housing
for
people
and
I.
Think
that's
important,
but
I
do
not
want
this
to
become
a
divide
between
the
old
and
the
young.
AI
When
I
was
when
we
were
when
we
were
fighting
for
the
mobile
home
ordinance
in
The,
Lazy
J
mobile
home
park,
the
students
stood
up
and
cheered
for
us
cuz.
We
were
cheering
for
them.
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
you're
not
going
to
get
anywhere
without
solidarity.
So
that's
my
only
message
is:
we
need
solidarity,
we
stop.
We
have
to
stop
dividing
young
and
old,
and
you
know
everyone
else.
Let's,
let's
do
a
better
job
of
that.
Thank
you
very.
A
AJ
Okay,
our
town
could
be
a
very,
very,
very
fine
town
with
Walkers
and
bikers
there
and
cars
nowhere
to
be
seen,
so
everything
could
be
beautiful
at
three
stories,
with
a
functional,
rooftop
and
power
to
the
people
you're
seeing
it
here
today.
It
didn't
happen
in
the
beginning
of
this
whole
Gateway
discussion,
and
that
is
something
remarkable
to.
A
Consider
all
right
we're
going
to
take
a
quick,
five
minute
break.
That
is
our
our
allotted
hour
there
so
I'm,
sorry,
folks,
at
home,
on
Zoom
I,
do
encourage
you
to
please,
you
know,
send
your
comments
via
email
and
they
will
be
put
into
the
records.
So
thank
you.
Okay.
Let's
take
a
quick
five
minute.
A
A
A
A
A
A
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
A
You
guys
have
done
a
tremendous
job
of
digesting
some
very
complicated
codes
and
plan,
and
so
we
thank
you
for
all
that
work
and
so
for
our
meeting
framework
tonight.
Our
purpose
is
to
discuss
and
share
ideas
and
find
consensus
on
elements
of
the
Gateway
area
plan
and
to
that
end,
we've
asked
all
of
our
council
members
to
prepare
initial
thoughts
ahead
of
this
meeting
with
three
primary
topics,
and
so
within
those
we
looked
at
inclusionary
zoning.
Wait.
A
And
so
after
that,
we'll
review
the
written
recommendations
that
have
come
in
from
the
council
and
collectively
have
some
time
to
a
answer,
questions
that
were
raised
and
hear
feedback
from
the
Commissioners.
Regarding
some
of
our
suggested
changes
as
well
and
then
tonight
our
goal
really
is
to
work
hard
to
build
consensus,
and
so,
as
we
get
close
to
feeling
like
we're
there,
we
will
ask
the
council
and
kind
of
agree
if
we
have
consensus
and
it's
time
to
move
to
the
next
topic
or,
if
we're
not
at
consensus.
A
Framework
all
right
and
with
that
we're
good
with
the
framework
we
have
consensus,
we
we've
nodded
and
we're
moving
on.
So
our
first
topic,
then
tonight
we're
going
to
discuss
the
K&L,
Street,
couplet
and
so
chair
Davies.
Take
it
away
and
please
provide
a
description
of
the
planning
commission's
recommendation.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
It's
so
encouraging
to
see
all
the
community
engagement
this
evening.
I
love
that
I
know.
We
all
appreciate
the
public
input
and
comment.
I
wanted
to
talk
briefly
about
how
the
Planning
Commission
arrived
at
our
recommendation
about
the
L
and
K
Street
couplet
The
View,
and
the
lens
through
which
we
looked
at
the
couplet
was:
what
can
we
do
and
which
plan
does
the
most
to
increase
safety
for
biking,
pedestrian
and
alter
abled
members
of
our
community?
B
B
That's
that
creates
a
lot
of
pedestrian
and
bike
and
complications
for
people
trying
to
cross
from
the
downtown
area
into
the
gateway
area
and
from
the
Gateway
area
back
into
the
downtown,
and
so
looking
at
the
the
different
options
that
were
put
before
us
again,
anticipating
an
increase
in
traffic
on
those
East
West
routes.
We
were.
B
We
all
concluded
that
basically,
the
the
couplet
was
going
to
do
the
most
to
provide
that
level
of
safety
for
those
groups.
Much
of
the
discussion
is
also
centered
on
an
arterial,
Road
designation
for
El
Street
and
the
associated
traffic
impacts,
including
trucks
that
would
come
with
such
a
designation.
Planning
Commission
also
recognizes
that
there
is
some
level
of
existing
truck
traffic
on
L
Street
and
in
the
Gateway
area,
serving
a
variety
of
businesses
from
restaurants
to
commercial
contractors,
auto
repair
shops
and
a
FedEx
Depot.
B
The
Planning
Commission
weighed
these
things
and
decided
that
the
changes
to
L
street,
including
traffic,
were
worth
the
increased
bike.
Pedest
ran
and
alter
abled
Community
safety
in
moving
in
and
out
of
the
Gateway
area.
Multi-Use
Trails
is
something
else.
We
looked
at
the
rail,
the
trail,
access
for
bikes
and
pedestrians
in
the
couet
comet
would
expand
under
the
couet
comet.
B
Lastly,
there
are
many
questions
to
be
answered
regarding
the
logistics
of
this
plan
and
how
it
could
be
possibly
in
implemented.
However,
if
we
don't
State
Our
intention
to
pursue
the
couet
concept,
then
we
don't
have
any
foundation
with
which
to
even
begin
answering
these
questions,
and
that
was
also
part
part
of
our
decision
to
recommend
the
couplet
for
the
council's.
A
AL
Peter
I'd
like
to
point
out
first
that
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
was
really
to
consider
the
couplet,
but
together
with
that,
to
recommend
immediate
safety
improvements
on
K
Street,
very
substantial
ones,
and
to
recognize
that
an
L
Street
couplet,
even
if
it
were
implemented,
could
not
be
implemented
in
the
very
near
term.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
that
vote
in
the
Planning
Commission
was
not
unanimous
there.
AL
The
lands
that
would
be
rezoned
under
the
gateway
to
provide,
in
effect
a
gift
to
the
city
of
Arcada,
of
the
potential
for
more
housing,
and,
incidentally,
a
gift
to
some
very
large
land
owners
of
the
ability
to
profit
off
those
properties
in
ways
that
they
hadn't.
So
the
bottom
line
here
is
what
whatever
happens:
working
on
the
safety
of
K
Street.
AL
AM
B
It's
not
appropriate
to
interrupt
from
the
back
of
the
room
everyone's
gathered
here
to
hear
a
discussion
between
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
city
council.
We
took
little
over
an
hour
worth
of
public
comment,
so
the
most
effective
thing
to
do
is
listen
now
and
let
us
have
this
discussion.
Thank
you.
Bs
is
BS.
AM
Thanks,
that's
especially
true
for
older
people,
handicapped
people
and
parents
with
kids.
Regardless
of
what
changes
we
make
to
K
Street
if
it
remains
a
two-way
street,
it's
more
dangerous
than
if
it's
converted
to
oneway.
Let
me
tell
you
what
my
vision
is.
Many
people
have
called
for
an
El
Street,
linear
Park.
In
my
view,
there's
no
reason
we
can't
have
both
the
existing
bike
path:
walkway,
a
beautiful
linear,
Park
and
and
a
new
L
Street.
AM
When,
when
Dan
Burton
was
here,
the
walkability
expert,
he
stressed
two
important
issues:
the
city
should
consider
in
making
streets
walkable
and
safer
one
that
City
street
should
have
10
ft
as
the
default
width
and
that
the
speed
limit
should
be
20
M
an
hour
I.
Just
the
other
day,
I
went
out
and
measured
the
width
of
el
street
right
across
from
the
crey
building
and
then
a
block
South
across
from
the
creary
building.
It's
22
feet
wide
and
a
block
South.
It's
17
ft
wide.
AM
If,
if
L
Street
were
reduced
to
10
ft
and
had
ball
bouts
and
chicanes
that
Dan
Burton
recommended
it,
it
certainly
wouldn't
be
a
truck
route.
It
would
be
a
city
street
with
slow
traffic
and
there
would
I
I,
don't
think
I
use
that
Park
a
lot
I,
don't
think
it
would
interfere
with
cyclist,
Walkers
or
the
enjoyment
of
the
park.
AM
The
best
thing
about
this
is
that
if
L
Street
were
one
way,
K
Street
could
be
one
way
it
could
be
10
F
feet
wide,
it
could
have
slow
traffic
and
K
Street
could
be
a
wonderful
place.
It
could
have
wide
sidewalks,
it
could
have
cafes
with
people
outside
it
could
have
trees
and
shrubs
and
grass.
There
is
plenty
of
room
if
we
narrowed
the
street
to
10
ft.
For
all
of
that
to
happen
on
K,
Street
I
agree
that
in
the
near
term,
we
need
to
work
on
the
safety
of
K
Street.
AM
AN
AN
So
unless
we
do
some
major
modifications
that
somehow
include
a
greencape,
whether
that's
the
division
between
traffic
and
a
bike
path
or
get
rid
of
parking
on
both
sides
and
get
wide
enough
sidewalks
that
we
could
put
Street
trees
and
sidewalks
the
city
of
Arcada
is
is
grossly
lacking
in
Greenery
and
I.
Think
it's
because
of
our
logging
history,
trees
were
in
the
woods.
People
were
sick
of
them;
they
cut
them
for
a
living,
they
meant
work
and
nowadays,
I
feel
like
we're
just
way
behind
on
Greening
up
this
town.
AN
So
whenever
we
do
these
major
New,
Street
Scapes
I
sure
hope
that
somehow,
in
there
there's
a
strip
that
can
be
planted
and
start
developing
a
canopy
that
we
can
all
enjoy.
If,
if,
if
it's
an
East
West
Street
the
sidewalk
on
the
on
the,
what
would
that
be?
The
South
Side
could
be
the
one
that
gets
wi
enough
for
trees.
I,
don't
know
what
the
plan
is,
but
you
know
I
know
shading
in
front
yards
can
be
a
real
challenge.
You
know
we
can
be
clever.
AN
We
can
plant
the
right
Siz
tree
they're,
doing
it
all
over
the
city
of
Eureka.
These
days.
There's
a
wonderful
group
called
keep
Eureka
beautiful.
That's
done
tremendous
tree
planting.
They
have
the
benefit
of
wide
enough
sidewalks
on
most
of
Eureka,
so
they
they
get
to
just
cut
a
hole
in
the
concrete
and
put
them
in
so
I.
Don't
know:
I
I,
I
heard
wonderful
presentations
from
the
public
tonight,
I'm
very
curious
about
the
safety
issues
on
oneway
versus
two-way
streets.
A
Streets,
thank
you
Dan,
so
I
want
to
ask.
Maybe
a
clarifying
question,
or
perhaps
our
city
engineer
or
community
development
director
could
give
us
some
more
feedback
on
this.
But
from
my
understanding
from
talking
to
to
Dan
Burton
is
that
oneway
streets
are
kind
of
a
double-edged
sword
that
you
have.
Yes,
people
are
going
to
want
to
drive
faster
because
they
are
the
only
car
in
that
lane
with
nothing
on
both
sides,
and
they
just
see
an
open
road
and
want
to
go
faster.
A
However,
for
pedestrians
crossing
the
street,
it
is
significantly
less
dangerous
and
less
opportunities
to
get
hit,
because
you
are
only
Crossing
one
lane
of
traffic
as
opposed
to
Crossing
two
lanes
of
traffic
coming
from
both
directions.
I
see
you
nodding,
so
verify
that
for
me,
that
is
correct,
so
so
it
is
for
pedestrian
safety.
It
is
an
improvement.
AO
I
would
say
yes
because
the
length
of
crosswalk,
mainly
especially
on
the
two-way
street,
it's
a
longer
crosswalk
in
oneway
Street-
will
be
a
smaller
crosswalk.
Definitely
oneway
Street
could
be
a
fast
Street
if
it's
not
designed
well,
but
if
it
designed
well
with
some
shanes
or
ball
outout,
it
could
be
used
to
reduce
the
speed
as.
AO
AO
AO
It
will
be
around
12,
so
it'll
be
exactly
in
half,
so
that
creates
more
safer
space
for
all
people
to
use,
and
secondly,
what
I
was
saying
is
oneway
Street
could
be
designed
and
definitely
some
people
might
go
fast
on
oneway
street
because
it
feels
wider,
but
it
if
it
is
well
designed
with
proper
bulb
outs
and
chanes.
You
could
do
traffic
calming
on
that.
A
We
got
like
a
letter
from
P
somebody
who
works
for
Pacific,
Builders,
and
so
thinking
about
like
these
businesses
that
already
do
exist
on
that
area
and
do
have
you
know
local
traffic
that
does
need
to
go
through
there.
Even
you
know
on
the
area
now
between
7th
Street
and
11th
Street,
there
is
still
a
lot
of
local
traffic
and
and
some
cars
that
do
need
to
access
that
area,
and
so
the
you
know,
idea
kind
of
behind
the
VF
is
like
this
living
Street.
A
Basically,
where
priority
is
given
to
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
and
people
just
using
that
Street
area,
whether
it
be
you
know,
playing
ball
riding
your
bike,
kids
hanging
out
in
the
street,
and
that
you
know
the
way
that
the
street
is
intentionally
designed
is
so.
Cars
have
to
go
slow,
like
10
m
hour,
Etc
and
so
to
to
look
at
kind
of
what
I
know
we
all
recommended
on.
A
You
know
policy
here
that
we
also
I
I,
know
I,
think
we
all
pretty
unanimously
supported
safety
improvements
to
K
stre
as
well,
but
to
be
able
to
also
kind
of
begin
to
conceptually
think
that
there
is
going
to
also
need
to
be
some
improvement
made
to
El
Street.
If
it's
not
going
to
be,
you
know
a
full.
You
know
project
that
has
to
have
a
thoroughfare
and
new
construction
on
it,
and
so,
where
it
currently
is,
there
is
no
labeled
parking,
it's
full
of
potholes
it
doesn't.
A
You
know
it's
impossible
really
to
to
utilize
right
now,
even
comfortably,
like
I,
always
avoid
riding
my
bike
on
the
actual
part
of
el
street,
because
it's
super
bumpy
and
there's
tons
of
potholes,
and
so
that
is
also
something
I'd
like
to
maybe
propose
for
my
council
members
to
think
about
is
just
looking
at
this
kind
of
vuna
style
living
street.
That
could
really
exist
between
like
Seventh
Street
and
10th,
and
11
like
between
10th
and
11th
kind
of
already
has
that
with
the
the?
AP
Ahead,
all
right,
I
guess
it's.
My
turn.
I
really
want
to
thank
the
Planning.
Commission
I
know
that
this
has
been
hard
long
conversations
and
not
easy
conversations
to
have
there's
been
a
lot
of
passion
from
the
community,
which
can
sometimes
be
intimidating
and
I
really
appreciate
all
you've
done.
You
know,
I
was
telling
David
earlier.
You
know
the
first
time
I
heard
about
the
Gateway
project
at
all
the
Gateway
area
plan.
AP
Pardon
me
was
in
2018
2019
when
I
was
on
the
economic
development
committee
and
the
way
David
had
you
know
he
was
the
liaison
and
the
way
he
was
talking
about
K
Street
was
you
know,
wide
sidewalks
and
trees
and
slow
traffic,
and
that
has
always
I
think
been
the
vision
in
my
head
when
I
first
think
of
the
Gateway
area
plan,
I,
really
I'm,
really
against
building
any
new
streets
I.
Don't
think
that
is
something
that
I
really
want
to
pursue.
I
am
really
interested
in
making
K
Street.
AP
Look
like
the
vision
that
I
had
in
my
head.
Initially,
when
I
started
talking
about
the
Gateway
area
plan,
so
I'm
I
really
am
intrigued
by
Sarah's
idea
of
this
VF
I'd
really
really
like
to
explore
that
and
see
what
it
looks
like.
But
for
me
the
and
I
was
on
that
walk
with
Dan
Burton
I
was
at
you
know
when
he
had
in
Eureka
when
he
was.
AP
You
know,
showing
slides
and
talking
about
everything
as
a
whole,
and
you
know,
I
was
big
proponent
of
complete
streets
that
that
was
something
that
I
brought
to
the
transportation
Safety
Committee
a
really
really
believe
in
that
and
I'm
talking
too
long.
So
I
guess
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
am
in
favor
of
removing
the
El
Street,
the
LK
couplet
from
the
Gateway
area
plan.
AP
I
would
love
to
explore
this
VF
and
I'd
really
like
to
make
K
Street
and
also
11th
Street
kind
of
look
like
the
vision
that
I
would
like
I
just
want
to
ask
like?
Is
that
a
possibility?
Can
we
make
K
Street
like
look
like
that
that
Vision,
probably
not,
but
can
we
get
close?
Can
we
make
it
safe
for
all
modalities
and
slow?
The
speed
down
to,
let
me
tell
you,
I
drove
K
Street
20
mes
an
hour.
It's
pretty
flipping
slow!
So
saying
you
want
this,
but
don't
yell
at
me
later.
AQ
Explore
so
let
me
get
my
mic
fixed
here.
Can
you
hear
me
back
there
all
right,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
say
first
just
to
make
it
clear,
I'm,
really
happy
that
there
has
been
consensus
among
city
council,
abandon
K&L
Street
couplet
I'm
in
favor
100%
110%
of
addressing
Transportation
issues
on
K
Street.
That
can
be
mitigated
now.
I
also
want
to
piggy
back
on
what
Judith
said.
I
recommend
that
direct.
AQ
We
need
to
direct
staff
to
develop
a
detailed
scenario
for
El
Street
as
a
full
width,
50
ft,
wide
linear
Park
without
routine
car
access,
but
with
emergency
access
and
providing
car
truck
access
to
land
sites.
West
of
el
Street,
mainly
from
the
East
West
streets.
I
do
disagree.
I,
don't
think
we
can
have
it
both
ways.
It
will
be
an
inferior
linear,
Park
and
even
if
the
engineers
were
able
to
fit
Vehicles
parked
Vehicles
bicyclists
pedestrians,
strollers
rollers,
we
chills
wheelchairs,
Walkers
Etc
into
this
space.
AQ
The
feel
of
the
pathway
would
be
significantly
altered
and
the
peace
and
Tranquility
would
no
longer
exist.
I
think
if
we
can
address
the
issues
and
I
don't
need
to
waste
anybody's
time,
because
I
think
that
everybody
is
an
agreement
that
there
are
ways
to
mitigate
the
safety
issues.
It's
probably
going
to
be
a
moot
point.
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
even
need
to
look
for
an
alternative.
So
that's
where
I.
B
Yeah
I'm,
just
I'm
I
I,
hear
the
concerns
about
adding
traffic
to
El
Street
I
I
absolutely
get
that
again.
The
Planning
Commission
recommended
that,
because
removing
a
lane
from
K
Street
is
what
made
making
K
Street
into
the
vision
that
you
described
and
so
I'm
curious.
How?
If
we
keep
both
lanes
in
K
Street
with
a
fixed
width?
How
do
you
two
or
three
propose
to
make
K
Street
safer
while
maintaining
the
traffic.
A
AP
AP
And
if
this
is
what
we
really
want,
then
we
all
really
really
have
to
be
comfortable
having
it,
not
only
in
this
instance
in
this
linear
Park,
but
holistically
around
all
of
the
Gateway
area
plan
and
around
all
of
Arcada,
because
we
just
can't
have
it
once
we
have
to
have
it
all
over.
So
if
you,
if
we
want
K
Street
to
be
safe
and
takea
Away
parking,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
be
comfortable
with
making
those
same
concessions
around
other
places
in
Arcada.
A
Yeah
precisely
and
that
you
know
we
see
everybody
coming
out
here
tonight
to
support
you
know:
people
Centric,
walkable,
neighborhoods,
that
people
want
to
be
in
and
I
think
that's
the
biggest
thing
that
I
took
away
from
when
Dan
Burton
was
here.
He
said
you
build
for
for
place,
not
necessarily
for
you
know,
cars
or
for
housing
right.
A
You
build
for
place
that
people
want
to
be
in
right,
and
so,
if
you
build
a
space
that
is
comfortable
for
walking
and
biking
and
being
around,
then
people
are
going
to
want
to
be
there
and
enjoy
it.
And
that
should
be.
You
know
across
our
city
as
well
and
so
coming
to
a
general
plan
near
you
I
guess,
but
just.
A
The
support
makes
me
say:
okay,
let's,
let's
support
that
other
places
too
and
be
involved,
and
it's
great
to
see
it.
So.
Thank
you
folks,
all
right
so
at
at
this
point
we
can
maybe
kind
of
straw
pull
our
counselors
and
what
I've
I've
written
down
here
is
that
some
staff
Direction
David's
getting
excited
he's
getting
the
clipboard
out
staff
Direction.
A
A
A
AP
AQ
A
Policy
all
right
any
final
thoughts
on
Canal
couet
before
we
move
to
our
next
item-
all
right:
oh
no,
I'm,
just
okay,
just
getting
some
air
in
there
yeah
all
right!
So
that's
going
to
take
us
we're
going
to
do
Building,
height
and
massing
next
and
have
that
discussion.
That's
fun!
So
chair
Davies!
Please
provide
us
a
description
of
that.
B
Recommendation
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Building
heights
were,
is
a
conversation
that
we
had
early
in
our
consideration
of
the
Gateway
area
plan
and
the
Planning
Commission
recognized
that
the
best
way
to
build
a
walkable
bikable
community
that
would
support
vibrant
public
transport
is
to
build
as
dense
as
possible.
B
It
also
aligns
with
the
goals
of
preserving
the
Green
Space
around
Arcada,
something
that's
a
stated
goal
for
the
city
in
general
and
as
a
result,
we
landed
on
the
importance
of
building
up
to
maximize
the
density
in
the
footprint
of
the
Gateway
area
and
that
translated
to
a
recommendation
for
building
Heights
of
765
and
four
I'll
note
for
just
for
our
discussion.
That
four
is
what's
currently
allowed.
So
that
would
be
a
no
change
for
that
area.
B
The
additional
consideration
for
the
Planning
Commission
was
that
the
community
benefits
program
which
had
a
wide
variety
of
community
community
benefits,
including
affordable
housing,
is
really
predicated
on
those
higher
buildings.
The
higher
building
translate
or
equate
to
more
Community
benefits.
I
think
that's
pretty
much
it
in
a
nutshell,
we'll
kind
of
open
up
to
comments
from
other
planning,
Commissioners
or
questions
from
the
city
council.
A
AK
A
AL
And
so
when
we're
I.
Think
when
we're
talking
about
Building
height,
it's
really
important
to
remember
that
we're
actually
needing
to
address
the
other
aspects
of
the
massing
of
the
building
and
currently
the
draft
that
you've
been
reading
would
allow,
for
example,
no
step
backs
on
the
rear
sides
of
buildings
and
the
setbacks
come
into
that
as
well.
AL
AP
All
right,
I
will
say
that
I
do
generally
agree
with
the
recommendation
of
the
Planning
Commission.
So
thank
you,
but
there
are
a
couple
things
that
I
would
like
to
clarify.
So
when
we're
talking
about
Building
height
and
massing
are
we
is
this?
Is
this
where
we
started
to
talk
about
density
bonuses
or
I
mean?
Is
that
no?
No
cheers?
No?
No!
No!
That's
fine!
That's
fine!
I!
Just
with
you
know,
there's
a
lot.
AP
There's
been
a
lot
of
concern
about
you,
know
the
fire,
trucks
and
and
and
all
all
sorts
of
things
I'
just
like
to
remind
people
that
you
know
a
s
story
building
is
not
going
to
be
built
tomorrow.
I,
don't
think
anybody
is
going
to
want
to
invest
in
a
building
that
is
not
sustainable
or
will
burn
down.
AP
I
think
that
there
is,
you
know
new
technology
coming
all
the
time
and
there
are
new
ways
that
we're
building
that
you
know
mitigate
that,
and
you
know
from
you
know
the
conversation
that
I
had
with
David
earlier.
Maybe
you
can
we
can
talk
about
that
again.
You
know
a
ladder
truck,
that's
going
to
take
one
person
down
a
ladder
at
a
time
is
not
going
to
save
a
a
whole
building
anyway,
so
and
safety
features
are
always
improving.
AP
What
I
did
have
a
question
about,
though,
is
when
we
are
talking
about
the
barrel
district
and
which
was
you
know,
seven
stories
that
was
recommended
that
it
was
stated
that
there
is
a
timeline
for
the
barrel
district
and
that
so
can
can
we
talk
about
again
like
what
you
told
me
earlier.
What
that
whole
implementation
implementation
plan
looks
like
and
are
those
buildings
like
predicated
on
that
Barrel
District
plan.
AR
Yeah
I'll
try
and
be
brief,
and
if
I
don't
address
the
question,
please
ask
me
to
go
into
more
detail,
but
the
plan
does
call
for
the
barrel
District
the
southern
portion,
which
is
allinone
ownership
and
comprises
a
fairly
large
site
to
come
in
with
a
master
plan.
The
form
based
code
provides
standards
for
how
buildings
would
be
built,
but
those
are
typically
envisioned
on.
You
know
single
Parcels
at
the
largest
you
know,
maybe
a
block
level
with
multiple
blocks
involved.
AR
Several
New
Roads
that
would
have
to
be
in
you
know,
built
into
the
lower
portion
of
the
barrel
district
Southern
portion.
You
know,
in
addition
to
all
the
the
community
space
that's
planned
for
that
area.
We
thought
it
was
important
that
before
the
first
building
gets
built
that
they
come
with
a
Consolidated
plan
for
how
the
entire
area
could
be
built.
AR
That
master
plan
is
not
intended
to
be
a
regulatory
document,
but
it
is
intended
to
show
how
overtime,
through
a
phase
development,
that
it
could
still
continue
to
meet
the
objectives
of
the
Gateway
area.
The
master
plan,
as
it's
called
for
right
now
in
the
the
Gateway
code,
would
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
AP
All
right,
I'd
also
like
to
put
our
I'm
sorry,
our
new
planning
commissioner
Abby
on
the
spot,
because
you
work
for
the
coastal
commission
yeah
can.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
idea
of
how
sea
levise
will
or
will
not?
You
don't
have
to
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
how
that
will
affect
the
buildings
in
the
burial,
District.
AS
Q
B
I
would
just
say
we
had
our
when
we
had
our
sea
level
rise
joint
study
session,
and
we
had
our
panel
of
experts
here.
One
of
the
things
that
I
took
away
from
that
was-
and
this
is
something
that
there
was
broad
agreement
on
with
the
experts
that
we
had
was
that
the
southern
portion,
the
Gateway
area
of
the
the
barrel
District
area
of
the
Gateway,
was
even
with
10
ft
of
sea
level
rise,
going
to
be
largely
outside.
Of
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
other
areas
of
Arcada.
AP
AR
AR
He
had
suggested
that
we
do
some
additional
financial
analysis
to
ensure
that
the
you
know
the
project
is,
is
feasible
or
the
program
is
feasible
and
you
know
I
I
would
I
carried
that
recommendation
forward
to
the
city
council
as
well,
that
you
know
once
we've
gone
through
this
process
and
established.
You
know
what
it
is
that
you
know
we
want,
as
sort
of
a
best
case
scenario,
that
we
re-evaluate
and
make
sure
that
it
is.
You
know,
going
to
pencil
for
projects.
A
A
Where,
like
the
means
to
be
able
to
you,
know,
pay
those
extra
costs
to
to
meet
those
step
backs,
and
so
I
mean
it
really
just
seems
infeasible,
especially
for
our
smaller
local
developers,
that
you
know
a
a
plan
that
recommends
step
backs,
even
even
where
we
are
at
at
above
four
but
I
I
saw
Kimberly
on
your
recommendations
at
above,
two
I
think
it
was
it
yeah
two
is
just
it's
not
going
to
be
feasible,
especially
for
our
our
local
developers.
It's
just
nothing's,
it's
just
creating
more
more.
A
You
know
strict
things
that
things
aren't
going
to
get
built
and
then
that
is
going
to
have
you
know
developers
opt
to
use
things
like
the
state
density
bonus
law
to
to
avoid
some
of
our
regulations
and
be
able
to
build
the
projects
that
they
want
to
build
and
not
come
within.
You
know
our
our
program
and
get
what
we
want
to
see
get
built
because
it
becomes
more
difficult
for
those
developers,
especially
local
developers,
and
if
we
want
to
keep
our
dollars
local
to
local
developers
and
Builders
and
workers.
We
heard
our
you
know.
A
AP
And
I'll
just
say
and
reiterate
once
again
we're
not
building
anything.
We
are
zoning
things
so
that
should
a
developer
decide
that
it
would
be
feasible
for
them
to
build
a
six
or
seven
or
five
story
building,
then
that
would
be
up
to
them
to
get
squa
and
to
go
through
all
kinds
of
Permitting
and
get
financing
and
whatnot.
B
AQ
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
following
the
order
of
operations.
Planning
Commission
went
first
and
now
the
okay
city
council,
great
I,
just
want
to
point
out
as
Dr
Andrea
Tuttle
stated
back
in
in
February.
2022
do
not
assume
that
a
20-year
planning
Horizon
means
that
growth
will
be
metered
out
over
time
and
that
the
impacts
will
be
gradual.
In
fact,
especially
under
ministerial
permitting
Savvy
investors
and
developers
will
immediately
cherry-pick
development
sites
before
the
city
has
provided
amenities
that
can
be
built
and
I
want
to
talk
about
Soro
place.
AQ
What
comes
to
my
mind,
is
sore
on
the
eyes.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
giving
things
away.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
create
housing,
but
not
just
buildings,
but
where
people
live,
do
you
want
to
live
there?
Would
you
want
to
live
there?
I
don't
want
to
create
projects.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
can
Thrive.
We
need
to
be
people
Centric
and
that's
how
we
need
to
do
our
buildings.
We
can't
give
everything
away:
building
costs
will
go
down.
AQ
We
we're
not
going
to
well
I
mean
I
shouldn't
say
we
can't
go
back,
you
know
we're,
we
can
amend
and
make
changes
as
we
go
along,
but
once
that
building
is
up-
and
it's
this
Fortress
of
straight
four
walls,
no
step
backs
one
of
the
things
that
I
said
was
Second
Story,
step
back
and
that
was
to
bring
to
the
table
of
I.
Don't
know
because
can't
see
cuz
we
have
no
3D
modeling
and
as
much
as
I
can
walk
around
the
neighborhood
and
try
to
use
scale.
AQ
In
my
imagination,
I
am
actually
I,
don't
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like
I,
don't
I
need
to
see
how
it's
going
to
affect
solar
shading,
and
while
we
need
to
prepare
for
those
who
want
to
be
here,
we
also
need
to
consider
those
who
are
already
here
that
have
poured
their
life
savings
into
homes.
So
I
have
set
up
various
height
recommendations
and
I.
I
know
that
well,
I
first
want
to
say
that
you
know
when
I
was
campaigning,
I
haven't
changed,
I'm
exactly
where
I
was
when
I
started
and
I.
AQ
I
AP
Really
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
but
when
I
moved
here,
I
was
a
single
mom
with
two
kids
and
I.
Just
wanted
a
place
to
live
and
I.
Don't
think
that
people
are
necessarily
going
to
be
crammed
in
like
sardines,
I
think
that
there's
plans
for
two
bedroom,
three
bedroom,
four
bedroom
departments,
so
I
I,
don't
think.
That's
necessarily
cramped.
AQ
Okay,
I
I
apologize,
I've
lost,
my
train
of
thought,
so
bear
with
me.
No,
no!
It's
okay!
So
give
me
just
a
minute
here:
I
guess!
Well,
okay,
let
me
just
say
this:
in
Arcada,
the
Arcada
fire
district
made
it
clear
that
we
have
been
basically
lucky
with
the
emergency
evacuations
at
Sorel
Place,
during
which
tragedies
were
averted.
In
fact,
I
think
that
maybe
Gregory
dagged
had
mentioned
this.
AQ
Some
community
members
have
tried
to
make
the
argument
that
we
already
have
tall
buildings
in
Arcada,
such
as
the
five
story
at
the
BSS
behavioral
and
social
science
buildings
at
calply.
Humble
campus
I
just
want
to
point
out.
However,
this
building
is
not
residential
people
and
students
do
not
live
there.
My
understanding
is
that
this
building
has
a
different
fire
protection
requirement.
So
part
of
my
decision
making
on
Building
height
in
addition
to
being
people
Centric,
is
that
I
had
to
take
in
account
our
lack
of
adequate
Fire
and
Rescue
Services
and
infrastructure.
AQ
Now,
calply
humbl
has
made
a
decision
to
move
forward
with
building
of
you
know,
Building
height
of
six
and
seven
stories
for
their
Craftsman
student
off-campus
housing
and
if
Cal
Poly
humble
wants
to
take
that
calculated
risk
and
gamble
with
student
lives,
that's
their
decision
and
that's
their
responsibility
and,
as
you
may
know,
the
state
does
not
have
to
abide
by
the
city's
regulations.
While
I
set
the
limit
of
five
stories
in
the
barrel,
District
I
did
so
with
reticence.
AQ
If
there
was
a
fire
and
tragedy
struck
and
human
life
was
was
lost,
I
would
not
be
able
to
sleep
at
night,
knowing
that
I
took
a
calculated
risk,
so
I'm
going
to
stand
in
solidarity
with
the
Arcada
fire
district
and
their
very
significant
concerns.
At
this
time.
The
standard
of
coverage
has
yet
to
be
completed
and
resources
are
in
place
to
Def
to
to
defend
these
buildings
so
that
we
can't
we
can
revisit
these
Heights.
It's
not
a
done
deal.
A
Go
ahead,
go
well,
I
just
want
to
I
want
to
add
I
mean
cowply
is
going
to
keep
building
buildings
that
are
seven
stories.
Eight
stories,
that's
not
going
to
stop,
and
so
why
should
we
as
a
city,
say:
okay,
we're
not
going
to
build
anything
above
three
stories,
because
we're
scared
of
this
right
instead
of
fixing
the
problem
and
working
to
improve
our
fire
district
and
funding
for
our
fire
district
and
hiring
more
firefighters
and
promoting
firefighter
training
through
our
various
Avenues
of
Partnerships,
with
calpol
and
CR
and
all
of
this
stuff?
A
Why
would
we
say?
No,
we
don't
want
to
build
houses
for
people,
because
we
don't
have
some
equipment
right,
I.
Think
the
the
real
solution
to
that
problem
is
not
just
say:
don't
build
it.
It's
to
say:
okay,
let's
figure
out
what
the
problems
are
and
then
solve
it,
because
there
are
people
that
need
a
place
to
live
now
and
if
they
don't
have
a
place
to
live
they're
not
going
to
I.
AQ
A
So,
but
it's
just
the
the
argument
is
not
pro
housing
and
so
from
from
me,
where
I
I
come
for.
For
all
of
these
arguments,
I
mean
it
wraps
back
around
to
housing
and
housing
is
an
intersectional
issue
and
housing
touches.
Transportation
housing
touches
climate
change.
It
touches
all
of
these
things
that
threaten
the
everyday
lives
of
our
citizens,
as
well
as
as
as
fire,
but
with
modern
fire
suppression
techniques.
A
That
said,
we
actually
have
very
high-tech
fire
suppression
in
building
now
and
talking
to
folks
within
the
Building
Trades
as
well,
that
it
is
highly
unlikely
that
you
know
a
fire
in
a
seven-story
building
is
going
to
sweep
through
and
cause
massive
Devastation,
with
the
way
that
current
buildings
are
built
and
up
to
fire
code
and
then
I
Know
M
had
one
more
thing.
She
wanted
to
add:
I
even
interrupted
her,
so
we're
going.
AP
AQ
No,
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
be
more
strategic
instead
of
giving
a
cart
Blan,
let's
look
at
some
3D
modeling
and
and
have
these
with
respect
to
what's
already
going
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
know
everybody
hates
that
word
character,
but
I'm
going
to
use
it.
Let's
keep
into
the
design
and
the
character
of
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
AQ
So
rather
than
build
four
or
five
stories
next
to
a
single
dwelling
household,
let's
put
it
where
it's
appropriate
and
where
it
fits
and
I
didn't
say,
not
build
housing,
I,
think
building
five
stories
is
building
housing
and,
if
we're
only
having
500
units.
Well,
let's
do
the
math.
It's
not
going
to
take
that
much
to
do
it
so
I
I
understand
that
transportation
and
walkable
cities.
AQ
You
know
those
two
things
coexist
and
so
having
a
walkable
Safe
Community
with
excellent
Transportation
are
important,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
to
go
to
seven
stories
or
eight
stories
and
I
know
the
a
stories
is
off
the
table.
But
you
know
it's
kind
of
semantics.
It
says
80
feet
and
if
you
want
to
know
what
a
story
is
it's
10.86,
so
seven
stories
is
actually
closer
to
eight
stories
or
80
ft.
AQ
AQ
That's
a
little
bit
confusing
and
again
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
it's
500
units
with
the
full
buildout
at
35
and
that's
like
maxing
it
for
every
I,
mean
that's
packing
people
in
like
sardines,
but
you
know
we
can
achieve
five
500
and
I
think
we
can
meet
our
our
housing
needs
and
take
care
of
calply,
humble
people
who
are
already
hear
people
who
have
yet
to
come.
We
don't
have
to
overbuild
so
that
I
mean
yeah.
AQ
I
am
open
to
conversation.
We
are
here
for
consensus,
so
change
my
mind.
I
just
am
concerned
that
we
will
be
solar
shading.
We
will
have
these
four
story.
Soral
places
next
to
homes
that
have
poured
their
life
savings
in
spent
$330,000
to
build
a
solar
system,
and
now
what
so,
I'm
just
trying
to
put
myself
in
their
shoes
or
in
their
house
I
guess
so
to
be
it,
and
you
know
what
I
actually
live
in
one
of
those
buildings.
AQ
I
live
in
a
condominium,
and
you
know
and
I'm
just
grateful
to
have
a
place.
I
want
everybody,
it's
not
just
cuz
I
have
my
piece
of
the
pie.
I
want
everybody
to
have
a
piece
of
the
pie
and
I
think
we
can
do
that,
but
we
don't
have
to
go
to
seven
stories
to
do
that.
I
think.
If
we're
strategic,
we
can
build
three
four
and
five
stories.
We
can
be
strategic
about
it.
We
need
to
do
step
backs,
we
need
to
do
setbacks
and
we
can't
give
everything
away.
AQ
Act
as
if
it's
a
crisis-
and
you
know
what
the
developers
will
come,
they
will,
if,
if
we
it's
not
well,
then
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
pencil
it
out,
so
that
we
are
putting
people
in
housing
that
looks
good
feels
good
is
livable,
is
people
Centric
and
it
can
work
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighbors
I.
Think
Scott
has
something
to
add
on
that.
A
B
I
appreciate
you
I
appreciate
everything,
you're
saying
Kim
and
you're
you're,
saying
a
lot
of
great
things
to
the
community,
which
they're
they're
excited
to
hear
the
status
quo
right
now
in
Arcada.
Is
that
we're
in
a
housing
crisis
that
it's
affecting
health
care
and
all
these
other
components?
The
status
quo
is
also
currently
four
stories.
You've
said
that
you're
for
building,
affordable
housing
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
do
you
get
us
to
building
more
housing
by
reducing
the
city's
building
AB
ability
to
build
that
housing.
B
It's
a
joint
study
session,
so
there's
there
was
an
introduction
by
the
Planning
Commission
city
council
is
deliberating,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
speak
together
as
a
group.
So
just
say
again:
how
do
you
shrink
the
city's
ability
to
build
housing
and
address
the
need
to
build
housing?
At
the
same
time,
I
just
wanted
to
explain
how
the
math
works
out.
AQ
AQ
What
I
know
is
we
have
people
out
there
that
have
I'm
listening
to
the
people
and
it's
not
about
what
I
want
it's
about
what
the
community
wants
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
community
is
be
strategic,
be
responsible
because
once
we've
done
it,
it's
going
to
be
so
much
more
difficult
to
go
back.
I
want
five
stories.
AQ
I
think
the
place
to
do
it
would
be
the
barrel
District,
as
with
the
points
that
you
have
shared
already,
I
would
like
to
actually
split
the
quarter
into
three
and
four,
so
that
three
would
be
in
the
neighborhood
where
there
are
the
lower
height
buildings
and
four,
where
it's
appropriate.
I
also
think
that
it
might
not
be
a
bad
idea
to
redistrict
the
creary
itself,
but
places
like
the
Hub,
the
neighborhood
I'm.
AQ
Looking
at
three
maybe
four
stories:
if
we
can
do
a
step
back
and
yeah,
that's
going
to
cost
money
and
it's
not
going
to
pencil
out.
So,
let's
just
put
all
kinds
of
four
story:
five-story
soral
places
that
are
this,
these
huge
mous,
solar,
shading
and
nobody's
going
to
want
to
live
there.
Well,
yeah.
Maybe
they'll
live
there,
but
is
that
what
we
want
for
Arcada.
B
AQ
Our
ability
build
and
still
address
the
housing
in
the
Gateway
area
plan.
If
you
can
give
me
some
three
3D
modeling,
if
we
can
go
specific
by
parcel
and
see
what's
going
on,
while
we
cannot
project
the
future,
we
can
get
a
better
idea
of
what
than
what
we're
doing
right
now
and
since
we
are
weighing
in
as
a
Planning
Commission,
we
have
an
expert
here
right
now.
I
took
local
government
planning
from
her
I
think
it
should
be
required
for
all
council
members
and
the
Planning
Commission,
so
maybe
I
I
would
like
to
see.
AQ
AK
Can
have
the
floor.
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
two
things.
First
of
all,
people
do
want
to
live
in
Soro
place,
there's
a
waiting
list
for
all
those
buildings
that
get
built
it
gets
fit.
People
do
want
to
live
in
soral
place.
Every
time
a
new,
affordable
housing
project
gets
built
in
Arcada,
there's
a
huge
waiting
list
of
people
desperate
to
get
housing
in
our
city.
AK
Okay,
second,
population
growth.
It
doesn't
work
where
you
build
an
apartment
building
and
then
people
come.
No
one
reads
the
news
in
San
Francisco,
oh,
a
new
apartment
building
got
built
in
ARCA.
I
should
go
move
up
there.
Now
they
come
anyway,
they
come
and
they
bid
up
the
rent.
Okay
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
people
in
this
room
rent,
but
it's
gone
crazy.
AK
In
the
last
few
years,
okay
and
some
people,
I
I,
heard
a
public
commenter
who
talked
about
how
hard
it
was
to
find
housing
and
how
they
had
to
find
friends
in
order
to
get
a
good
deal
on
housing.
That's
not
a
system,
that's
working
where
you
need
to
know
the
right
people
in
order
to
live
in
Arcada.
Okay,
and
so,
instead
of
thinking
of
it
as
building
space
for
new
people,
I
think
we
need
to
be
thinking
of
it
as
building
space,
so
that
the
people
who
are
here
now
can
stay.
AK
Okay,
I
have
met.
I
have
met
lots
of
people
here
who
have
already
been
priced
out
in
just
the
last
few
years,
who
they
say.
Yeah
I
used
to
be
able
to
rent
an
ARCA,
but
the
rents
have
gone
crazy,
I'm
going
to
move
somewhere
else
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
those
people,
because
we're
afraid
of
a
building
that
is
taller
than
the
current
buildings
are.
That's
all.
AQ
It
it's
less
about
the
height
that
it's
for
about
strategic
placement,
setbacks
and
step
backs.
I.
Don't
think
we
have
to
compromise
on
that
and
when
you
said,
there's
a
weit
list
for
sorell
places.
It's
because
we
haven't
given
them
any
options.
So
if
we
don't
give
anybody
options,
then
that's
what
we
have.
A
I
know
firsthand
the
struggle
of
people,
my
age,
people
that
are
coming
out
of
college.
Well,
okay,
that
was
a
while
ago,
but
young
professionals
living
in
this
community
that
want
to
stay
in
this
community.
Just
as
Matt
said,
we
don't
want
to
lose
those
people
right.
These
are
well-educated,
excited
people
that
love
our
community
and
we
maybe
students,
reminder
students
are
part
of
our
community.
They
live
here.
They
want
to
stay
here.
A
A
Where's,
the
where's,
the
wiggle
room,
where's,
the
move,
because
I
really
do
not
feel
comfortable
going
to
density
below
four
stories
at
all,
because
that's
what
we
already
have
right
so
within
the
neighborhood
and
you
know,
I
I
I
could
have
some
legal
room
on
the
on
the
Barrel
in
the
hub,
but
I
I
cannot
down
Zone
our
community
when
we
are
in
a
housing
crisis.
That's
just
it's!
It's!
It's
not
possible!.
AQ
AQ
AQ
Stories
so
I
have
a
teenager
who
graduated
from
high
school
last
year
and
she's
still
at
home.
So
I'm
not
arguing.
It
is
a
it's,
not
a
renters,
Market
absolutely
and
you
will
spend
a
small
fortune
just
going
through
Property
Management
to
be
told.
No,
so
that's
not
what
I'm
arguing
I
guess,
I.
What
and
maybe
I
misunderstood,
but
I
thought
I
heard
nobody
is
going
to
build
any
housing
with
setbacks
and
step
backs.
So
we
just
have
to
concede
and
we
get
what
we
get
and
I
disagree.
AQ
AP
AN
AQ
No
I
was
suggesting
just
to
kind
of
get
the
conversation
going,
I'm
absolutely
amendable
for
housing
and
for
stories.
What
I
want
to
see
is
some
3D
modeling
I'd
like
us
to
be
a
little
bit
more
strategic
I,
don't
want
to
give
away
setback
step,
backs
I
I
want
to
have
this
built
so
that
people
want
to
live
there
and
you
know,
if
you
don't
give
them
a
choice,
they're
going
to
have
to
live
where
they
live.
AQ
That's
not
the
Arcada
that
I
envisioned
I
came
here
like
many
to
go
to
cowply
humble
I
fell
in
love.
That's
why
we
all
live
and
stay
and
live
here.
I!
Don't
want
to
change
everything
I'd
like
to
have
more
housing.
I
want
to
make
a
place
for
all
of
these
people
who
yet
to
come
and
housing
for
those
that
live
here,
but
I
also
want
to
consider
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
the
people
that
are
already
here
and
how
it's
going
to
affect
them.
A
Don't
really
think
that
that
is
a
significant
enough
argument
to
say:
I,
don't
want
to
build
people
houses,
so
I'm
I'm,
not
I,
I,
don't
really
see
a
lot
of
necessity
to
spend
a
bunch
of
City
money
and
have
to
find
consultants
and
architex
and
contract
out
to
be
able
to
maybe
see
how
much
sun
somebody's
going
to
get
in
their
yard.
I
did
some
research
because
I
keep
hearing
this.
You
know
this.
This
word
thrown
around
of
gentrification
and
the
houses
on
10th
Street,
M,
Street,
even
ones
near
near
7th,
Street,
L
Street.
A
I,
don't
know
what's
going
on,
but
okay
anyway,
and
so
these
houses,
you
can't
gentrify
a
neighborhood
of
people
that
are
already
well
off.
Equity
built
homeowners
right.
The
build
we're
going
to
see
what
we're
going
to
see
is
buildings
like
that
pretty
cool
apartment
building,
that's
built
on
O
Street
across
from
her
hubcaps,
it's
kind
of
isolated,
it's
in
the
middle
of
a
bunch
of
stuff,
and
it
just
got
built
cuz
somebody
owned
a
parcel
and
was
able
to
build
it
right,
but
there's
nothing
else
around
it.
A
It's
just
vacant
Lots
because
it's
not
zoned
for
housing
and
there's
cement,
pads
ready
for
things
to
be
built
on
because
it's
not
zoned
for
housing,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
that
we
need
to
Zone
this
area
for
housing
to
create
more
dense
housing.
Because
infill
is
the
key
to
solving
climate
change.
A
B
Kim,
you
could
actually
you
could
the
city
council
could
absolutely
adopt
your
proposal.
That
would
be
you
know
that
would
be
a
choice
that
would
be
fine
and
I'm
sure.
A
lot
of
the
community
would
support
that,
but
the
work
we've
done
at
the
Planning
Commission
makes
clear
that
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
then
you
have
to
stop
talking
about
being
an
advocate
for
affordable
housing
because
it's
going
to
drive
the
cost
of
those
homes
up.
B
So
if
you're,
fine
owning
that
portion
of
the
conversation
and
saying
keeping
smaller
buildings
in
Arcada
is
the
most
important
thing,
I
think
that's
a
fine
goal.
I
just
think
then
you
have
to
you
have
to
let
go
of
any
sort
of
support
for
affordable
housing.
If
you're
going
to
force
buildings
to
be
smaller,.
AQ
I'm
really
am
ready
to
talk
about
our
inclusionary
zoning.
It's
more
exclusionary
zoning.
It
is
a
joke.
We
should
be
at
20%
as
far
as
building
affordable,
housing
for
low
income
and
extremely
low
income,
and
obviously
we
also
need
to
take
care
of
you
know
the
middle.
The
moderate
we're
not
going
to
get
there
at
4
to
9%
and
and
I'm.
Not.
You
know
we
have
the
argument
about
okay.
Well,
then,
we
have
the
state,
B
density,
bonus
and
so
I.
AQ
Don't
know
that
you
know
holistically
how
we
can
have
that
conversation
without
talking
about
inclusionary
zoning,
if
we're
going
to
jump
right
into
affordable
housing
and
then
I
think
also,
we
need
to
talk
about
some
other
things
like
that
need
to
be
discussed.
Any
ministerial
approval
should
or
must
include
a
plan
for
the
entire
site
or
parcel,
even
if
that
actual
IND
development
will
be
staged
into
the
future,
and
this
isn't
addressed
anywhere
in
the
draft
and
with
the
two
recent
projects
for
sites.
AQ
You
know
that
are
not
in
the
Gateway
that
the
Planning
Commission
just
did
the
Westwood
Garden
departments,
the
green
view
neighborhood.
It
really
does
seem
like
it's
pretty
important,
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
go
back
and
say
the
numbers
that
I
put
in
there
were
a
starting
point
and
it
was
really
just
to
bring
to
light
that
we
haven't
any
3D,
modeling
and
I
know
Sarah
says
it's
going
to
cost
money,
but
we
set
money
aside
for
it
and
I,
don't
know
where
it
went.
AQ
I
haven't
seen
any
I
mean
honestly
I've
heard
the
community
say:
they'll
do
a
GoFundMe
to
do
the
3D
modeling,
so
we
can
see
what
we're
going
to
get.
That's
all
I'm
asking
for
is,
let
me
see
so
I
can
understand.
I'm
I
am
amendable
to
building
taller
buildings.
I
just
want
to
know
what
they
look
like
in
respect
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
and
I
have
no
way
to
gauge
that
scale
at
all.
AP
AR
AR
That's
in
the
plan
currently,
and
so
that's
there's
that
hasn't
been
abandoned
in
the
current
recommendation-
wanted
to
note
that
the
city
did
contract
with
ghd
to
do
some
3D
GIS
work,
the
core
basis
for
that
work
was
around
developing
the
infrastructure,
needs
for
the
for
the
plan
area
and
identifying
the
environmental
imp
acts
associated
with
infrastructure
development.
That
was
a
primary
basis
for
that
3D
GIS
modeling.
AR
We've
produced
some
video
footage
with
that
that
material
it
does
not
convey
the
kind
of
information
that
I'm
hearing
the
council
is
interested
in,
seeing
potentially
with
the
3D
modeling
the
at
one
point
the
GIS
team
was
proposing
that
they
would
be
able
to
take
those
glass
boxes
and
do
more
refined
modeling
within
those,
and
you
know
we
were
pretty
excited
about
the
prospect
of
that.
We
did
get
that
that
further
refinement
that
was
available
through
the
gis-
and
you
know
just
be
frank.
AR
AR
What
that
process
might
look
like,
and
that
was
the
subject
of
the
video
in
part,
was
to
show
going
from
the
glass
box
to
the
further
refined
GIS
work
to
a
an
actual
design
and
how
that
form-based
code
would,
you
know,
transform
from
those
those
generalities
to
the
specific
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
the
urban
field?
Studios
does
have
some
some
modeling.
They
used.
AR
AR
You
know
much
higher
than
the
council
would
find
interest
or
value
in
doing
those
evaluations
on
sites
where
we,
you
know
really
don't
know
whether
or
not
they
they'll
develop,
which
is
why
we
spent
that
energy
and
effort
on
you
know
some
of
these
key
opportunity
sites
where
we
think
you
know
they
are
readily
developable.
So
again
we
can.
We
can
bring
that
back
into
the
conversation
and
show
you
the
the
work
product
that
has
been
produced
from
that.
AR
AQ
Could
could
I
ask
a
question
I'm
not
trying
to
but
I
watched
a
Oli
presentation
with
Dano
Chris
Dart,
and
he
was
talking
about
anything
over
four
stories.
Isn't
going
to
pencil
out
so
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
in
how
we
are
going
to
do
these
larger
taller
buildings
if
they're
not
going
to
pencil
out
and
then
my
other
question
is
you
know
we
spent
$50,000
for
Turner
housing,
and
this
was
supposed
to
give
us
a
dashboard.
What
are
we
doing
with
that?
Where
are
we
at?
AR
Questions
I'll
leave
it
to
the
council.
Members
I
mean
I,
think
I've
provided
my
professional
opinion
many
times
on
your
first
question,
so
I'll
leave
it
to
the
council,
members
and
and
Planning
Commission
to
sort
through
that.
Just
a
quick
update
on
the
Turner
Labs
work,
they're
still
working
on
developing
the
models.
We've
provided
the
the
information
they
need
about
current
proposed
zoning
so
that
they
can
do
that.
Modeling
I.
Don't
think
that
you'll
find
that
their
work
is
going
to
give
you
information
about.
AR
You
know
bulking
and
massing.
Necessarily
what
they
will
be
able
to
do
is
to
tell
you
the
what
the
what
the
model
is
intended
to
do
is
to
tell
you
the
probability
of
development
based
on
different
parameters.
So
if
you
say
you
know
we're
going
to
limit
it
to
four
stories,
what's
the
difference
in
probability
than
if
we
said
we're
going
to
limit
it
to
six
stories
or
seven
stories.
So
it's
it's
a
a
mathematical
model.
It's
a
statistical
model.
AP
AR
AP
A
AQ
Yes
and
I
absolutely
would
love
to
talk
about
Community
benefits.
The
point
system
is
pretty
wonky
I'm.
If
I
was
a
builder
probably
the
bottom
line
would
be
the
dollar
and
if
they
can
build,
you
know
affordable
housing
versus
let's
just
put
in
a
covered
bike,
for
you
know
bikes.
What
are
they
going
to
choose
and
so
I
don't
really
see
the
incentives
in
there
to
guarantee
affordable
housing
and
I
just
want
to
mention
it's
a
little
bit
a
squirrel
moment.
If
you
will
about
densities,
I
think
we
should
start
link.
AQ
We
we
need
to
link
densities
to
the
number
total
number
of
bedrooms
rather
than
housing
units.
So
if
you
look
at
90
dwelling
units
with
three
bedrooms,
it's
going
to
be
quite
different
than
90
with
one
bedroom,
so
you
know
90
versus
270.
You
know
people
will
be
served.
So
that's
just
another
aside,
I'm
happy
to
go
to
the
gradient.
If
you
guys
are
ready,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
anybody
else
that
would
like
to
speak
since
I'm
sure
you're
all
tired
of
hearing
my.
A
Voice,
okay,
okay,
so
so
what
I'm?
Hearing
and
and
some
kind
of
you
know,
good
points
of
interest
for
for
myself
and
Meredith.
Please
weigh
in
too
is
that
it
might
be
helpful
for
us
council
members
to
perhaps
have
a
discussion
or
a
presentation
with.
Maybe
some
local
developers
and
I
know
that
council
member
Stillman
also
recommended
a
speaker
that
could
maybe
speak
on
condo
production.
Also
and
I
know.
A
That
was
already
something
we
were
maybe
looking
at
putting
on
an
agenda
and
then
also
to
be
able
to
and
and
I
think.
This
was
part
of
Kimberly's
question
as
well
to
to
access
and
be
able
to
see
how
that
the
the
Turner
Labs
thing
works
and
to
to
access
it
and
like
see,
and
so
when
you
know,
is
our
data
uploaded
that
that
is
online,
that
we
can
access
that.
AR
A
A
Yeah
and
just
to
get
a
timeline
for
that
too,
because
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
helpful
in
answering
some
of
these
questions
about
again.
You
know
what
pencils
and
we've
all
talked
to
developers.
You
know
I
talked
to
somebody
from
hcd
that
said,
you're
not
going
to
see
anything
over
five
stories
right,
Dano
says:
you're
not
going
to
see
anything
above
four
St
stories.
This
other
developer
says
you
might
see
six
or
seven
here
right
and
so
kind
of
thinking
about.
A
We,
we
hear
all
these
different
pieces
of
information
from
different
places
and
so
I
think
maybe
having
a
wider
range
or
a
catchall
of
opinions
from
some
other
developers,
but
also
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
Turner
Labs
data
to
see
what
pencils
and
see
the
costs
of
things,
and
so
those
are
two
two
small
items
that
I,
maybe
propos
for
a
council
agenda
item
that
we
could
could
discuss
to
help
us
get
closer
to
consens
on
this
topic.
If
other
council.
AE
AQ
Sure
there's
going
to
be
shade
on
your
building
Sor
a
little
bit
more
and
maybe
that's
on
me.
I
should
have
done
maybe
more
homework,
but
that
seems
like
something
pretty
important
for
me
anyway
and
sorry.
I've
lost,
oh
yeah,
I,
concur.
I,
am
very
interested
in
exploring
Condominiums
I
think
that
that's
a
great
way
to
do.
Affordable,
housing,
I
live
in
a
condominium,
and
if
it
wasn't
for
you
know
the
city
of
arca's,
firsttime,
home
buyers,
program,
I
wouldn't
have
a
place
so
believe
me,
I'm,
very
grateful.
AQ
I
want
everyone
to
have
that
same
opportunity.
We
don't
seem
to
have
any
home
ownership
opportunities
written
into
the
plan.
We
don't
have
anything
really
specifically.
You
know
for
Supportive
Housing
for
the
unhoused
and
that's
another
concern
of
mine,
so
I,
just
I
guess
before
I
start
making
all
of
these
set
in
stone
decisions.
I
was
just
hoping
that
we
could
further
explore.
We
really.
AQ
This
is
our
first
study
session
and
and
I
would
like
to
see
actually
more
than
three
not
to
stall
for
time,
but
to
make
make
sure
we're
all
fully
informed
and
I
also
would
like
to
see
another
open
house.
We
had
an
open
house
in
January
when
we're
in
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
and
you
know
I
do
Concur
and
and
really
appreciate
what
Sarah
said
when
I
said
well,
170
people
said
this
and
she
pointed
out.
That's
not
really
representative
of
the
population
and
I'm
like
Bingo.
AQ
Exactly
and
people
are
ripe
and
ready
to
engage.
Let's
do
another
open
house
and
ask
these
same
questions
and
more
again,
now,
let's,
let's
bring
in
more
than
170
people,
so
that
it
really
does
represent
the
voice
of
the
people
I'm
all
for
more
Community
engagement.
Even
if
that
means
just
adding
one
more
study
session
and
and
bringing
in
an
open
house.
AP
A
Yes,
I
would
also
like
we
did.
We
did
promise
the
public
that
we
would
have
another
engagement
session
on
the
code,
and
you
know
these
things:
Heights
setbacks,
step
backs
all
that
stuff
is
really
incorporated
into
that
code.
So
that's
a
good
opportunity
to
to
look
at
that
a
little
bit
closer
with
the
community,
because
that
is
a
fairly
new
document
being
circulated
around
to
everybody.
So.
AQ
And
just
one
more
question
too,
and
and
and
I
probably
should
have
again
done
more
homework,
but
I
heard
David
say
well,
they
probably
are
going
to
opt
for
the
state
density
bonus
and
my
head's
like
scratching
my
head
left
going.
Then
why
did
we
do
all
of
this
work
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
so
I
think
we
need
to
figure
that
out.
Otherwise
we're
not
going
to
have
any
Community
benefits
and
we're
just
going
to
to
give
it
away,
and
then
we
won't
have
any
parks
and
it
won't
be.
AQ
AQ
A
Parks,
okay,
I'm
going
to
take
us
to
our
gradients
of
agreement
here,
because
I
did
promise
the
the
commission
chair
that
I
would
get
his
Commissioners
out
of
here
by
9:
and
I.
I
do
want
us
at
least
to
to
begin
to
to
at
least
get
some
questions
answered
about
our
next
topic
of
inclusionary
zoning.
So
the
gradients
of
agreement
say
one
is
I,
fully
support
this
and
vote
for
it,
and
so.
A
That
is
on
the
table
before
us
that
we
have
looked
at
and
provided
comments
and
feedbacks
to
so
one
is
I
fully
support
this
and
we'll
vote
for
it
all
the
way
up
to
five
I
have
serious
concerns
and
I
will
vote
against
it
right.
So,
council
members
here
gradients
of
agreement.
Where
are
we
right
now
on
Building
height
and
massing
with
the
current
Planning
Commission
recommendation?
A
You
just
put
it
up:
I'm
I'm
I'm,
a
two
okay,
so
we
got
two
twos
and
a
four,
and
so
hopefully,
some
of
these
things
hearing
from
developers
looking
at
some
of
this
dashboard,
Turner
Labs
data
and,
of
course,
more
conversations
with
our
community.
More
engagement
around
the
form
based
code
will
help
us
kind
of
formulate
that
opinion
a
bit
more
and
yes,
there
are
definitely
going
to
be
more
study.
Sesss
I.
A
AP
A
Yeah,
okay,
and
with
respect
to
the
planning
commission's
time,
and
hopefully
getting
them
out
of
here
in
about
20
minutes,
we're
going
to
move
to
our
little
piece
about
inclusionary
zoning
and
the
density
bonus
and
so
Cher
Davies.
Take
us
through
it
planning
Commissioners,
be
ready
to
provide
your
feedback
on
the
proposed
recommendation.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
this
will
be
a
pretty
brief
introduction
here.
The
planning
commission
basically
focused
on
how
do
we
get
as
much
affordable
housing
construction
as
a
primary
goal
in
the
housing
element,
and
we
looked
at
achieving
it
through
three
main
pieces
which
David
covered
at
length
in
the
video
that
he
put
together.
One
of
those
pieces
is
inclusionary
zoning.
B
Another
is
the
density
bonus,
the
state
density
bonus
and
the
the
third
is
the
community
benefits.
The
Planning
Commission
took
the
view
that
the
appropriate
place
to
set
the
inclusionary
zoning
level
was
below
the
state
density
bonus
because,
if
it's
at
or
above
it
let
alone
at
20%,
it
makes
no
sense
at
all
to
even
have
or
utilize
inclusionary
zoning,
because
it
will
never
be
put
into
action.
Developers
will
always
take
the
state
density
bonus.
B
So
if
we
want
to
have
inclusionary
zoning,
it
needs
to
be
set
below
the
state
density
bonus
threshold,
affordable
housing
is,
of
course,
one
of
our
primary
Community
benefits
and
I
would
just
like
out
to
point
out
that,
whether
it's
through
inclusionary
zoning
or
the
density
bonus
either
way.
The
city
gets
affordable
housing,
which
is,
of
course,
one
of
our
community
benefits.
A
AQ
I
guess
you
know,
and
I
already
said,
this
is
like:
how
are
we
going
to
deal
with
the
density
bonuses
versus
the
Gateway
Community
benefit
program
and
I?
Just
I'm
really
concerned
about
genfic
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
affordable
housing
for
all,
and
this
whole
idea
that
if
we
build
more
dense
housing,
it
guarantees
that
it's
going
to
be
affordable
as
a
Mis.
AQ
No,
in
my
mind,
I
I
just
wonder
like
how
are
other
cities
doing
it
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
have
a
more
in-depth
conversation,
a
way
to
have
truly
affordable
housing.
I
need
to
find
out
more.
But
you
know
the
whole
thing
with
Soro
place.
I
thought
it
came
before
the
Planning
Commission
when
I
was
a
planning,
commissioner,
that
this
was
going
to
be
in
perpetuity,
affordable,
housing
for
50
years,
but
a
year
later,
they've
raised
the
rents
for
40%,
which
is
definitely
going
to
displace
older
people
on
Social
Security.
AQ
We
have
people
who
are
on
disability,
so
so
that's
my
my
big
thing
is
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
care
of
everyone,
not
just
those
that
can
afford
it.
I
want
to
keep
these
people.
You
know
the
the
artists
in
the
crary
district
can't
afford
to
live
there,
our
Workforce
housing
we
well.
We
don't
have
any
right
now.
I
I
really
would
like
to
figure
out
a
way
to
have
a
higher
and
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
they're
just
going
to
go
for
the
density
bonus.
AQ
AR
Design
I
mean
I.
I.
Definitely
think
that
part
of
the
strategy
is
to
allow
for
no
density
maximums,
which
then
allows
the
developers
to
you
know
Flex
the
buildings
based
on
what
the
market
need
is
and
it
incentivizes
you
know
development
and
there's
definitely
a
relationship
between
the
supply
and
demand
of
Housing
and
in
its
total
housing
cost,
but
the
the
plan
did
call
for
inclusion
area
zoning.
AR
This
is
one
area
where
we
have
some
specificity
in
the
Gateway
codee
that
we're
relying
on
for
the
discussion
purposes.
Inclusionary
zoning
is
a
you
know:
regulatory
method
for
ensuring
that
affordable
housing
is
included,
and
not
just
in
the
area,
but
within
each
and
every
project.
You
know.
Certainly
the
cities
had
experience
with
inclusionary
zoning
before
and
we
recognize
that
if
the
threshold
for
triggering
inclusionary
zoning
is
too
low
that
results
in
eliminating
projects
it
it
it
results.
In.
AR
You
know
projects
not
coming
to
Market,
because
the
you
know
the
project.
Ultimately,
doesn't
you
know
it's
not
financially
feasible
and
so
the
proposal
that
staff
made
for
inclusionary
zoning
in
the
Gateway
area,
which
may
be
a
you
know,
template
that
can
be
used
in
other
parts
of
the
city
is
to
set
the
inclusionary
zoning
threshold
so
that
it's
high
enough
so
that
it
will,
you
know,
actually
work
for
projects
project
that
right
now
is
currently
set
at
30
units
project.
That's
producing
30
units.
AR
If
the
inclusion
are
zoning
requirement,
is
you
know
four
or
9%?
Is
the
current
Planning
Commission
recommendation
you're
talking
a
couple
of
units?
Three,
you
know
four
units
depending
on
the
size
of
the
project,
and
so
that
is
certainly
you
know
viable
for
you
know
a
a
project
produce
that
number
of
affordable
units.
AL
AR
They
are
allowed
to
request
un
unlimited
waivers
from
the
city's
zoning
requirements
if
they
can
demonstrate
that
their
projects
are
financially
infeasible
or
physically
impossible
as
a
result
of
those
zoning
requirements
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
depending
on
the
proportion
of
affordable
housing
that
they're
providing,
they
would
also
be
allowed.
Concessions
and
concessions
are
Essen,
essentially
anything
that
costs
money
above
and
beyond
the
development
they
can
ask
to
not
pay.
For
that
includes
our
our
community
benefits.
AR
You
know
our
our
you
know
Recreation
fee
for
new
construction,
that
funds
Parks
those
kinds
of
fee
based
assessments
that
we
Le
leverage
onto
projects,
and
so
you
know
the
way
that
it's
designed
and
I
think
to
the
chair's
Point
that
you
know
we
have
said
throughout
this
entire
process.
We
heard
from
the
very
early
stages.
You
know,
I've
heard
people
talk
about
two
years.
The
two
years
has
been
since
documents
have
been
released.
AR
If
you
set
your
inclusionary
zoning
requirement
too
high,
then
you
are
are
going
to
ultimately
discourage
some
projects.
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what
that
threshold
would
be,
but
because
it's
a
complex
relationship
between
building
costs,
Building
height,
the
number
of
units
that
are
being
developed-
and
you
know
other
other
things
that
go
into
the
performa.
But
it's
it's
really
complex.
I
couldn't
tell
you
off
the
cuff.
What
that
you
know
what
that
threshold
would
be.
AP
Okay,
I'm
going
to
be
very
mindful
of
time,
so
I'm
just
going
to
make
comments,
and
maybe
we
can
write
them
down
because
I'm
sure
this
is
going
to
be
carried
over
so
for
my
two
cents.
So
I
was
looking
through
this
housing
legislation
and
Status
dentisty
bonus
a
lot
Bo,
that's
a
mouth
mouthful,
so
I
do
understand
that
there's
three
categories
of
density
bonus
and
one
of
those
categories
of
density
bonus
is
for
Middle
income
for
sale
units.
So
that
is
something
that
I
would
like
to
explore.
AP
And
you
don't
have
to
answer
now?
Maybe
we
can
carry
this
over,
but
commissioner
tagy
I
think
that
you
were
in
favor
of
higher
percentage
of
inclusionary
zoning.
So
I'd
really
like
to
hear
not
necessarily
now
because
I'm
going
to
be
mindful
of
time,
but
maybe
at
the
future
date
of
what
your
rationale
was
for
that.
AQ
AN
AN
Zoning
is
just
another
piece
of
that
at
the
meeting.
I
think
when
we
set
the
threshold
that
chair
Davies
pointed
out.
It
was
just
about
at
what
point.
Are
they
just
going
to
jump
over
to
a
state
project
and
go
a
whole
different
way?
And
then
the
community
benefits
program
goes
out
the
window
and
they
ask
for
waivers,
and
it
feels
like.
AN
It
totally
undermines
the
two
years
of
work
that
we've
been
putting
into
form-based
code
and
trying
to
do
something
that
applicants
aren't
just
going
to
the
state
to
build
in
Arcada
because
they
can
we'd
rather
see
them
go
down.
Our
pathway,
that's
been
laid
out
rather
thoughtfully
with
a
lot
of
effort.
You
know
it.
AN
It's
there's
a
lot
of
tweaking
you're
asking
good
questions,
but
I'm
Kimberly,
but
I'm
also
feeling
like
if
you
say
that
you
want
to
see
more
housing
developed
and
you
want
to
see
more
affordable
units
and
you
want
people
to
be
able
to
stay
in
Arcada
and
you
like
the
Gateway
project,
but
you've
undermined
it.
So
much
that
it
feels
like
there
is
no
Gateway
project.
AN
AQ
Fizz
away
no
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
can
understand
why
you
feel
that
way
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear.
It
was
a
starting
point
for
the
conversation.
I
hope
this
isn't
an
all
end.
All
you
know,
as
you
pointed
out
David
this
inclusionary
zoning
is
extremely
complex.
I
want
to
know
more
I'd
like
to
delve
into
that
before
I
make
a.
A
A
A
They
just
need
housing,
that's
affordable,
right,
and
that
takes
us
back
to
the
whole
argument
of
you
know,
supply
and
demand,
and
is
that
really
true,
if
you
build
more
units,
is
it
going
to
happen
and
you
can
look
at
San
Francisco?
But
how
is
Arc
like
San
Francisco
blah
blah
blah,
and
that
is
yes,
a
great
conversation
for
us
three
to
probably
have
another
time
than
tonight,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there,
just
the
difference
between
affordable
housing
and
housing.
A
AQ
I'm
sorry,
but
I
just
want
to
say
something
that
it's
really
misleading
to
say.
Yes,
we
need
that
middle
income
or
the
the
moderate,
but
the
reason
we
met
that
low
and
extremely
low
is
that
we
did
two
Hotel
conversions,
which
gave
us
140
units,
but
those
are
for
homeless,
Supportive
Housing
that
doesn't
address
the
low
and
and
extremely
low
income
folks
that
don't
need
Supportive
Housing.
So
we
in
my
I
mean
just
because
we've
met
the
arena
numbers
and
have
gone
over
with
the
regional
house.
AQ
A
All
kinds
of
housing-
yes,
no
and
I
totally
agree
with
that.
I
mean
yes
all
right
so
again,
looking
at
the
current
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
to
include
that
4
to
9%
of
of
inclusionary
zoning
right
and
so
again,
our
our
gradients,
one
fully
support
it,
we'll
vote
for
it,
five
I'm
having
serious
concerns
and
I'm
going
to
hold
that
up
and
not
touch
it.
So
on
our
gradients.
Where
are
we
on.
AQ
I
a
different
number
A,
Different
Finger,
but
sorry,
sorry,
I'm.
So
sorry,
I'm,
I'm
fromy,
it's
late,
I
guess
I
have
some
serious
concerns.
I
don't
feel
like
I
have
enough
information.
As
David
pointed
out,
it
is
extremely
complex.
How
can
I
make
a
decision
on
inclusionary
zoning?
If
I
don't
have
enough
information?
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
show
so
I
guess
I
could
say:
I
have
concerns
about
passing
it,
but
I
will
not
block
it,
but
I'm
kind
of
like
a
4.5.
A
All
right
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
kind
of
speaks
for
for
itself
that
a
good
topic
of
maybe
again
a
study
session
with
just
us
three
would
be
really
because-
and
this
has
come
up
a
lot
tonight
too,
just
to
look
at
that
Community
benefits,
program
and
kind
of
dissect-
that
a
little
bit
more
and
look
about
how
inclusionary
zoning
does
fit
into
that
I
think
that's
a
great
topic
that
we
could.
Definitely
you
know.