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From YouTube: Arcata City Council Meeting - 1/4/2023
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City of Arcata Live Stream
C
It
is
5
15.
so
good
evening
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
for
Planning
Commission
interviews
being
held
before
our
council
meeting
this
evening,
Welcome
to
our
candidates.
We
have
Peter
Lehman,
Mark,
Ritz
and
Matthew
Simmons.
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight,
especially
when
the
weather
is
so
nasty
outside
to
be
getting
here.
So
thank
you.
C
We
will
be
interviewing
these
three
candidates
tonight
for
two
vacancies
with
terms
ending
in
March,
March,
31st,
2025
and
we'll
start
with
Peter
and
then
go
well.
This
says
alphabetically
by
last
name,
but
it
might
be
easier
just
to
go
down
the
the
line
if
we
yeah.
If
we
agree
to
that
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
gonna
change
the
script
here,
we're
going
to
start
with
Matthew
and
then
we
will
go
down
the
line
and
kind
of
a
round
robin
order.
C
C
Actually,
council,
member
Atkins
Salazar
we'll
ask
our
opening
question
and
then
we'll
just
go
down
the
diocese
here
and
ask
questions
that
we
have
for
you
folks
and
give
you
an
opportunity
to
answer
so
before
we
begin
do
we
have
any
members
of
the
public
wanting
to
comment
on
this
item
or
online
if
there's
anybody
online,
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
Patricia,
and
if
you
wanna
make
your
call,
oh
yeah,
you
don't
have
a
microphone.
We
will
move
it
over
there.
D
D
E
Good
evening,
Gregory
Daggett
I
would
say
similar
things
that
we
just
need
somebody,
that's
open-minded
that
doesn't
have
any
particular
agenda
either
side
I
think
we
need
also
candidates
that
are
thinking
a
little
bit
out
of
the
box
because,
as
we've
seen
through
this
process,
some
basic
things
have
not
been
answered
from
the
standpoint
of.
Why
are
we
even
debating
over
four
stories
from
the
standpoint
that
we
have
Dan
Cole
Cove,
that
in
the
last
two
weeks,
has
basically
said
that
it's
not
affordable
to
go
over
two
stories?
E
A
four
stories
excuse
me
because
of
the
cost
of
you
know
higher
higher
than
that,
it's
concrete
for
the
foundation
building
construction.
So
that's
their
view
of
it.
So
we've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time,
Planning
Commission
members,
that
from
the
standpoint
of
no
one's
asking
the
basic
question
of
why?
Why
are
we
spending
so
much
time
and
energy?
You
know
debating
this
when
it's
not
going
to
be
affordable
over
four
stories.
I
would
also
address
the
fact
that
simple
questions
like
a
Arcata
fire
department.
E
They
had
a
meeting
early
in
August
and
they
were
quite
explicit
that
wait
on
a
decision
on
anything
with
with
over
four
stories
because
they
needed
to
supply
all
the
information
and
what
happened
after
that?
Basically,
you
you
had
a
meeting
and
you
decided
to
go
against
that
pretty
important
decision
of
theirs
and
they
still
haven't
actually
met
with
you
guys
regarding
that,
and
the
third
thing
is
no
one's
addressed,
which
we
have
somebody
who's
an
attorney
here.
F
I
talk,
often
about
the
overview
effect.
The
big
picture.
I
know
we
have
to
get
down
to
nitty-gritty,
sometimes,
but
sometimes
we
don't
pull
back
and
connect
the
dots
even
in
locations
in
our
community
and
activities
in
our
community
and
building
in
our
community.
So
I
would
hope
that
the
Planning
Commission,
along
with
the
city
council,
you
know,
becomes
Visionaries
in
2023
for
the
future
of
our
community,
so
I
hope
to
see
people
on
the
diocese
there
who
are
Visionaries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Joanne.
G
Hi
I'm
Sherry,
some
of
you
know
me
happy
New,
Year
and
Happy
Storm
again
to
everyone
in
the
room.
None
of
us
who
speak
frequently
here
at
planning,
commissioner
City
Council
meetings
have
applied
to
be
Commissioners,
we're
obviously
pretty
biased
and
I.
Think
it
would
do
the
community
good
if
the
council
approves
new
Commissioners
who
have
not
shown
any
obvious
bias
or
who
are
not
employed
by
a
person
who
stands
to
reap
financial
gain
if
the
Gateway
area
plan
is
approved.
Thank
you.
C
I
All
right,
thank
you
and
to
all
the
candidates
and
welcome
and
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
show
up
and
to
volunteer
your
time
for
the
city.
We
greatly
appreciate
it.
So
I'll
ask
the
same
question:
it'll,
go
to
all
three
of
you.
So
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background
or
experience
related
to
urban
planning
and
or
land
use.
J
Hi
so,
first
off
thanks
for
having
me
here,
I
really
appreciate
it.
So
I'm,
a
lawyer,
I
graduated
law
school
in
2020
and
while
in
law,
school
I
took
a
class
on
land
use
and
urban
planning
and
before
I
took
that
class.
It
really
wasn't
something
that
I
knew
very
much
about
or
thought
about,
but
it
was
like
the
most
fascinating
class
I'd
ever
taken.
I
B
My
background
is
actually
in
business
I'm.
The
one
of
the
owners
of
kinetic
coffee
here
locally
have
the
last
17
years.
I've
also
spent
an
enormous
amount
of
time
working
in
the
bicycle
industry
in
the
outdoor
industry
as
a
product
developer,
product
manager.
So
my
background
is,
is
very
much
in
analytics
and
the
ability
to
look
at
a
number
of
different
factors
to
try
to
figure
out
the
best
return
on
investment
and
to
be
sure
that
you
know
the
highest
number
of
people
are
getting
the
highest
about
of
service
out
of
a
particular
project.
A
K
L
B
L
K
As
the
Director
of
the
shot
Center
I've
been
the
Principal
investigator,
the
director
of
a
number
of
large
projects
and
I
had
to
work
with
multiple
agencies:
the
the
bureaucracies
at
the
State
of
California,
the
California
energy
commission,
the
Public
Utilities
Commission,
the
department
of
energy
for
the
federal
government
and
lots
of
local
entities
to
get
projects
on
the
air.
So
I
was
the
principal
investigator
for
the
Blue
Lake
Rancheria
microgrid
and
for
the
airport
microgrid,
which
just
opened
recently
and
I
can
tell
you.
J
J
There's
two
Native
American
tribes,
there's
activists
who
just
want
to
like
go
into
the
forest
and
climb
up
into
a
tree
and
sit
there
all
day
and
getting
all
these
different
groups
of
people
who
all
agree
on
like
the
end
goal,
but
don't
at
all
agree
on
how
to
get
there
is
really
challenging,
but
I've
grown
a
lot
and
developed
a
lot
of
skills.
You
know
working
with
people,
resolving
differences
sitting,
people
down
and
getting
them
to
talk
through
it
and
I
feel,
like
I've
really
grown
from
that
experience.
K
Well,
I've
done
some
homework
to
come
here
today,
so
I've
I've
read
the
Gateway
plan
and
listened
to
the
video
and
I
I
feel
like
I
am
up
to
date
on.
What's
going
on
in
this
city,
I
subscribe
to
the
local
newspaper
which
I
read
every
day
and
in
my
work
at
the
shots
lab
I'm,
familiar
with
lots
of
local
people.
I've
worked
with
people
here
at
the
city
and
people
in
the
county
to
undertake
various
projects,
so
I
feel
like
I'm,
pretty
connected
with
the
local
community.
C
J
Yeah
so
I've
been
attending
every
single
Planning
Commission
meeting
for
the
past
year,
I've
read
through
the
Gateway
plan.
I've
read
through
the
general
plan,
I
feel
like
I'm
I'm,
pretty
up
to
date
on
where
those
efforts
are
and
where
the
debate
currently
is
and
I'd
say.
It's
certainly
I've
formed
opinions
about
it
myself,
but
I'm
always
open
to
hearing
from
members
of
the
community
and
learning
more
about
these
really
important
documents
that
are
going
to
shape
the
future.
C
B
Well,
like
Pete
I've,
been
doing
my
homework
when
I
decide
to
apply
for
this
position,
so
I
have
studied
the
Gateway
plan.
The
latest
rev
I've
also
been
watching
the
Planning
Commission
meetings
and
spend
some
time
doing
that
and
pretty
much
understand,
I
think
where
things
are
headed.
I
know
where
I
would
like
to
see
it
head,
which
is
to
keep
the
community
keep
this
a
very
Community
oriented
area.
B
I've
lived
in
areas
where
I've
had
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to
live
in
areas
that
have
been
very
Community
minded
like
Arcata
and
I've
also
had
to
live
in
places
which
have
not
been
that
way
and
I
really
prefer.
Arcata
and
I
want
to
keep
the
that
part
of
the
city
strong
in
order
to
continue
to
live
here.
M
J
Yeah
I
think
I
am
familiar
with
the
commitment.
You
know
the
the
bi-weekly
meetings
and
then
reading
all
the
materials,
obviously
as
well,
and
then
also
being
open
to
the
public
and
answering
people's
emails
and
questions,
because
I
really
do
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
I'm
fulfilling
that
role,
as
well
as
a
planning
commissioner
I
think
I'm
ready
to
take
on
that
work
and
I'm
actually
really
excited
to.
You
know
be
able
to
apply
myself
to
this
role.
M
B
I
am
quote
unquote,
retired,
so
I
do
have
some
spare
time
on
my
hands
right
now.
I
do
for
the
coffee
company
I
spend
most
of
my
time
doing
analytics
for
it
these
days.
So
I
do
have
the
available
time
and
I'm
pretty
much
up
to
speed
on
what
the
the
position
requires.
So,
yes,
I
feel
confident
that
I
could
hit
the
ground
running.
A
K
I
am
familiar
with
the
time
requirement,
as
I
said,
I
used
to
be
chair
of
the
design
assistance
committee
and
our
workload
was
very
similar
to
the
current
Planning
Commission
and,
like
my
peers
here,
I
have
looked
at
the
Planning
Commission
meetings
and
I've
looked
at
their
agendas
and
I've
looked
at
their
workloads
and
yes,
I'm
prepared
to
do
that.
Work.
I
can
say
that
my
work
at
the
shot
Center
is
now
decreasing.
Somewhat
I
used
to
be
in
a
leadership
position.
O
Okay,
so
I
think
I
have
the
next
question.
Whoever
starts
Mark
okay
during
a
meeting
you're,
given
a
staff
report
that
reviews
a
project
that
includes
several
hundred
pages
of
the
project
materials,
including
Maps
environmental
review,
traffic
studies,
Etc
share
the
process,
you
would
use
to
synthesize
information
or
formulate
a
decision.
B
O
K
I'm
smiling
because
I
do
this
for
a
living
and
have
for
the
last
40
years.
I
would
read
the
report.
I
have
read
many
reports
like
it
and
I
would
formulate
the
kind
of
concerns
I
have
write
them
down
and
bring
them
to
the
meeting
again.
I
I've
done
this
many
many
times
over.
The
various
projects
I've
worked
on.
O
Thank
you.
So,
during
a
meeting
Matt
during
a
meeting,
you
are
given
a
Pro
Staff
report
that
reviews
a
project
that
includes
several
hundred
pages
of
project
materials,
including
Maps
environmental
review,
traffic
studies.
Etc
share
the
process.
You
would
use
to
synthesize
information
and
formulate
a
decision.
Please.
C
Wonderful,
so
we
do
have
a
little
bit
more
time,
so
I
wanted
to
ask
one
more
question
of
you,
folks
and
so
I
guess:
Mark,
no
Peter.
You
would
start
with
this
one
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
the
Gateway
plan,
but
even
besides
that,
what
do
you
believe
is
one
of
the
most
significant
planning
challenges
that
the
city
is
facing
today.
K
That's
a
good
question:
I,
here's
what
I
think
I
I've
been
spending
I
I,
think
the
most
critical
issue
of
this
century
is
climate
change
and
I've
been
spending
my
life
dealing
with
climate
change
from
the
point
of
view
of
trying
to
get
more
renewable
energy
into
our
society.
But
that's
only
part
of
the
issue.
In
fact:
that's
not
the
hardest
part.
K
C
J
You
know,
I
grew
up
in
a
place,
that's
sort
of
a
sprawling
Suburbia
where
everyone
drives
a
long
time
to
get
to
work
every
day
and
I
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
we
want
to
see.
Arcata
and
Humboldt
become,
and
so
you
know,
developing
a
plan
that
gets
us
out
of
our
cars
and
also
make
sure
there's
room
for
everyone
is,
is
the
most
important
thing.
C
B
First
of
all,
I
think
both
of
these
gentlemen
have
given
great
great
responses
to
this.
One
I
think
that
one
of
the
the
major
issues
that
we're
going
to
have
is
the
continued
evolution
of
Cal
Poly
to
and
its
effects
on
this
on
the
city
as
it
continues
to
grow.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
infrastructure
available
for
the
influx
of
both
students
and
faculty
and
support
staff.
So
we
need
housing,
we
need
transportation.
We
need
all
of
those
things.
We
need
a
lot.
B
C
B
C
J
I
thought
eight
as
a
maximum
was
fine
and
the
plan
as
it
was
originally
written.
Honestly
I've
walked
by
seven
story
and
eight-story
buildings
and
once
they're
at
that
height
I,
don't
really
think
it's
gonna
cause.
Anyone
too
much
of
a
difference
between
the
two
and
I
think
the
added
benefits
you
can
get
in
terms
of
community
benefits
and
density,
which
is
really
important
for
getting
people
out
of
their
cars
and
allowing
the
city
to
be
walkable
is
worth
the
added
height
foreign.
B
B
S
I
would
say
that
personally,
I
I
think
anywhere
between
four
and
seven
would
be
the
absolute
maximum.
I
would
not
want
to
see
anything
taller
than
that.
I
remember
the
shock
when
they
built
the
Behavioral
Sciences
building
in
at
Hsu
and
how
huge
that
thing
was
compared
to
everything
else
in
the
in
the
in
the
city.
B
A
K
I
think
getting
as
many
stories
as
possible
is
a
good
idea.
I
I
agree
that
housing
is
a
real
issue.
We
need
places
for
people
who
live,
it
is
housing
is,
is
a
human
right
and
the
fact
that
there
are
people
who
are
unhoused
in
our
city
is
is
very
sad
and
I.
Think
if
it
takes
eight
stories
to
do
that,
I
it
our
land
is
precious
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
students.
We're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
people
we're
going
to
have
climate
refugees
moving
here.
K
O
C
This
concludes
our
interviews
and
we
will
be
making
a
decision
later
on
at
our
meeting.
That
starts
at
six.
It
is
our
first
new
business
item,
so
it
won't
be
too
deep
into
the
meeting
if
you
do
want
to
hang
around
and
see
what
happens
or
tune
in
on
Zoom
at
home.
Okay,
thank
you
guys
so
much
and
we'll
be
back
at
six
yeah.
Thank.
A
A
C
Okay
good
evening
and
thank
you
for
viewing
the
January
4th
meeting
of
the
Arcata
city
council,
the
city
council
meeting
is
being
held
as
a
hybrid
meeting,
with
both
in-person
attendance
and
teleconference
access
via
Zoom.
First
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
is
a
land
acknowledgment.
The
city
of
Arcata
acknowledges
that
the
lands
we
are
located
on
are
the
unseated
ancestral
lands
of
the
Wyatt
tribe.
C
The
land
that
Arcata
rests
on
is
known
in
the
wiiat
language
as
gudini,
meaning
over
in
the
woods
or
among
the
Redwoods
past
action
by
local
state
and
federal
governments
removed
the
we
ought
and
other
indigenous
people
from
the
land
and
threatened
to
destroy
their
cultural
practices.
The
city
of
Arcata
acknowledges
the
weak
Community
their
Elders,
both
past
and
present,
as
well
as
future
Generations.
This
acknowledgment
seeks
to
Aid
in
dismantling
the
Legacy
narratives
of
settler
colonialism.
C
If
you
wish
to
make
a
comment
during
the
meeting,
either
at
the
two
open
public
comment
periods
or
for
an
individual
agenda
item,
there
are
three
ways
to
do
so,
one
if
you
are
here
in
person,
please
line
up
behind
the
podium
when
the
item
you
would
like
to
speak
on
is
accepting
public
comment.
If
you
are
logged
into
Zoom
click
raise
your
hand
when
it
is
time
for
public
comment
on
the
item.
You
wish
to
speak
on.
C
If
you
are
on
the
phone
press,
star
9
on
your
phone
to
raise
your
hand
when
it
is
your
turn,
you
will
be
prompted
to
dial
Star
6
on
your
phone
for
each
item.
We
will
be
taking
in-person
public
comment
first
and
then
move
to
online
comments,
we'll
not
be
going
back
and
forth.
So,
if
you're
wanting
to
comment
on
an
item,
please
line
up
at
the
podium
or
raise
your
electronic
hand
as
soon
as
public
comment
is
requested
for
that
item
next
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
is
going
to
be
early
oral
Communications.
C
The
city
council
values
your
comments.
This
15-minute
time
period
allows
people
to
address
the
Council
on
matters
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
Please
know
that
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
that
the
council
cannot
discuss
or
take
action
on
items
that
are
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda
at
the
end
of
all
oral
Communications,
the
council
May
respond
to
statements
supported
requests
that
require
Council
action
will
be
set
for
a
future
agenda
item
or
referred
to
staff
speakers
may
be
limited
to
two
minutes.
C
There
will
also
be
time
for
the
public
to
comment
specifically
on
each
agenda
item
and
again
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
under
item
12..
So
please
make
your
way
to
the
podium.
If
you
are
here
to
give
early
oral
communication
and
line
up
behind
that
Podium
or
if
you
were
on
Zoom,
raise
your
hand
and
press
star
9..
E
E
Basically,
they
said
go
to
the
city
and
forget
this
enforced.
We
need
money.
I
did
do
that
and
then
I
also
followed
up
from
what
the
staff
recommended
was
to
write
a
letter
to
three
of
you
that
are
still
on
the
council.
Two
of
you
weren't
there
at
the
time
when
I
wrote
the
letter
explaining
the
issue,
explain
why
we're
we're
not
in
compliance
and
so
basically
the
answer
that
I
got
was
the
same
thing
as
the
police
said
that
we
don't
have
money
to
actually
enforce
this.
E
So
it's
been
a
one
year
and
I
can
see
that
there
was
plenty
of
money
during
that
year
to
actually
address
this
issue.
So
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
what
the
problem
is.
You
guys
have
sworn
to
uphold
the
laws
of
the
State
of
California.
It's
not
a
very
difficult
thing.
You
just
have
to
turn
to
the
city
manager
and
make
sure
that
this
is
done
and
that's
part
of
her
job
is
to
make
sure
this
is
enforced.
This
is
also
part
of
the
the
Gateway.
E
The
Gateway
project
has
had
money
that
it's
funded
for
this
so
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
some
quick
little
probe
study
where
you
just
go
out
into
these
different
areas
to
see
where
the
what
the
noise
element
is
I
mean
what
I
outline
in
the
environmental
impact
report
for
the
Gateway
project
was
based
on
the
state
of
California
is
to
have
a
six-month
study
and
where
you
get
a
real
idea
of
what
the
seasonal
change
is
from
morning
afternoon
to
night.
So
this
isn't
a
request.
E
C
F
Now,
I've
been
reading
some
of
the
experts
pieces
about
what's
going
on
in
our
climate
and
with
our
weather,
and
this
is
just
what
we
have
to
look
forward
to
for
a
long
time,
and
that
brings
me
to
the
concept
of
being
in
crisis
mode
and
acting
in
crisis
mode
and
operating
in
emergency
and
having
significantly
communicated
emergency
plans
that
the
whole
Community
knows
about.
A
month
ago,
a
woman
died
at
the
door
of
this
city
hall.
Her
name
was
Nancy.
F
Q
C
R
Good
evening,
Council
staff
I
wanted
to
bring
some
praise
to
the
project
that
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
after
December
13th
meeting.
It's
the
valley,
East
lofts,
the
developer
is
Will
Adams.
The
architect
is
Julian
Beck,
it's
a
three-story
building
with
22
Apartments.
Excuse
me
Berry.
Thank
you.
A
mix
of
two.
It
has
a
mix
of
sizes,
two
bedrooms,
one
bedrooms,
two
sizes
of
Studios:
it
has
all
electric
appliances
and
high
efficient
heat
pumps
for
the
heating
needs.
R
R
S
To
council
tonight
and
a
Happy
New
Year
in
the
staff,
I'll
be
brief.
The
North
Coast
group
or
the
Redwood
chapter,
the
Sierra
Club,
has
voted
to
endorse
the
L
Street
linear
Park.
In
addition,
we've
gathered
770
signatures
for
the
above
reasons
and
many
others.
We
encourage
the
council
to
vote
to
designate
the
quarter
as
a
linear
Park
and
abandon
the
L
Street
complex
couplet
that
will
pave
over
open
spaces
and
reduce
the
quality
of
the
future
great
Redwood
Trail
and
the
existing
California
Coastal
Trail.
S
G
C
Thank
you
Sherry,
any
more
comments
online,
no
okay!
So
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
comments.
This
evening.
We
will
now
move
on
to
item
number
eight,
which
is
the
consent
calendar
all
matters
on
the
consent.
Calendar
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
city
council
and
are
enacted
in
one
motion.
If
there
is
no
separate
discussion
of
any
of
these
items
or
if
discussion
is
required
that
item,
but
there
is
no
there
we
go
if
discussion
is
required.
That
item
is
removed
from
the
consent,
calendar
and
considered
separately.
C
Meeting
of
December
21st
2022
see
bi-weekly
report
on
disbursements
item
D,
adopt
ordinance
number
1562,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Arcata,
amending
the
Arcata
Municipal
Code
title
10
chapter
3
regulations
for
use
of
the
Arcata
Martian
Wildlife
Sanctuary
to
update
overnight
time
restrictions,
wave
reading
of
the
text
and
consent
to
read
by
title.
Only
item
e
authorized
the
city
manager
to
sign
a
letter
of
funding
commitment
for
the
Humboldt
County
edible
food
recovery
program.
Would
any
council
member
like
to
remove
an
item.
P
T
C
J
C
E
Last
week
you
had
a
caller
that
called
in
that
was
concerned
about
risk
announcement
and
he
was
specifically
addressing
the
litigation.
It
was
the
amount
of
litigation
that
was
going
on
in
the
city
and
the
amount,
and
he
thought
it
was
kind
of
out
of
line.
So
the
question
I
have
that
has
to
do
with
the
checks
that
are
written
and
I've
noticed
the
last,
since
he
brought
it
up
that
the
last
couple
of
them
basically
been
like
15
000
every
two
weeks.
E
E
So
my
question
is:
are
there
guard
rails
set
in
place
as
far
as
how
this
is
all
being
dealt
with,
because
it
seems,
like
you
know,
you're
you're,
pointing
certain
people
to
do
certain
acts
and
they're,
maybe
profiting
from
that
certain
act
to
and
in
your
hostile
individuals
are
involved
in
signing
off
that
whole
thing.
So
you
know
that's
basically
my
question
to
the
ethics
of
it
is
this
something
it
seems
kind
of
very
unusual,
the
whole
Arrangement
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
if
somebody
could
address.
J
E
That
working
out
is
there
a
second
attorney.
That's
that's
involved
in
the
case,
so
that
the
City
attorney
is
not
involved
directly
and
then
also,
possibly,
you
know
charging
hours
for
that.
So
I
think
that's
something
pretty
I!
Think
the
public
there's
some
people
out
there
in
the
public
that
brought
this
up,
that
they're
they're
very
uncomfortable
with
this
whole
Arrangement
thanks.
O
O
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
include
them
or
not,
but
I
thought
possibly
it
might
be
something
to
add.
I
do
know
at
the
airport.
That's
one
of
the
things
you
can't
have
drones
anywhere
near
planes
and
unless
you
wanted
to
have
drones,
to
take
pictures
of
what
all
the
marshes
look
like
and
but
just
not
for
fun.
The.
U
City
has
a
separate
unmanned
aircraft,
ordinance
the
Drone
I'm.
Sorry
I
can't
remember
the
acronym,
the
Drone
ordinance
and
that
regulates
the
spaces
in
which
they
are
allowed
and
I'm.
Sorry,
I
am
not
remembering
right
now
if
it
prohibits
around
the
marsh
area,
but
we
could
certainly
look
at
that.
It's
not
so.
We
could
look
at
that
and
then
get
back
to
you,
but
it's
it's
not
I.
V
Can
chime
in
actually
and
say
that
it
does
prohibit
areas
above
the
marsh
currently,
unless
there
is
a
nature
area
entrance
permit,
so
recreational
drones
couldn't
be
flight
above
the
marsh.
But
if
say,
someone
wanted
to
do
aerial,
imagery
or
lidar
or
scientific
study.
They
would
go
through
our
nature
area
entrance
permit
process
and
then
we
would
allow
for
drones.
O
U
Is
the
council
interested
in
a
sort
of
cross-reference
you
know
so
that
this
picks
up
the
the
other
part
of
the
municipal
code
that
specifically
regulates
drones,
I
mean?
If
so,
then
it
would
be
reintroduced
and
I
don't
have
that
site,
so
we
would
have
to
bring
it
back,
we're
reintroduced
and
then
re-adopted
so.
O
C
M
D,
oh
I
always
wondering
if
I
could
make
a
comment
separate
and
this
one
isn't
fun.
I
received
several
phone
calls
and
then,
of
course,
we
all
received
the
email
from
Caroline
from
North,
Coast,
Environmental,
Center
and
I.
Guess.
The
concern
is
moving
folks
out
that
have
nowhere
to
go
and
the
concern
that
Carolyn
said.
Is
that
we'll
be
moving
from
one
environmentally
sensitive
area
to
another
one.
M
So
her
example
is
that
they
would
be
swept
over
to
maybe
Carlson
Park,
which
is
already
inundated,
and
her
recommendation
was
to
not
pass
this
and
was
hoping
to
use
that
fund
to
actually
help
folks
that
have
nowhere
to
Camp
or
to
be
so.
This
particular
item
would
is
recommending
that
there
would
be
it
is
an
incompatible
use
in
that
there
would
be
no
overnight
camping
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
Forefront
being
that
I
had
gotten.
So
many
calls,
and
also
we
received
an
email
at
3
30
today.
O
What
I
feel
like
it's
a
direct
conflict?
You
know
the
friends
of
the
Arcata
Marsh
are
really
interested
in
having
the
gate
closed
and
then
a
lot
of
the
campers
they're
interested
in
the
campers
that
are
camping
in
their
vehicles
that
are
would
be
out
on
the
end
of
I
Street
at
the
very
end.
But
a
lot
of
people
you're
talking
about
are
not
in
vehicles
they're
under
the
trees
and
I've
gotten
pictures
of
those
sent
to
me
to
there
and
and
I
think
she's
talking
about
people
wanting
to
clean
up,
etc.
M
So
yeah
I,
absolutely
I
walk
my
Great
Dane
there
every
day
and
in
particular
in
G,
Street
I,
see
telltale
signs
of
folks
living
in
the
bushes
and
camping
and
I,
see
both
sides
I
understand
as
a
visitor
there
that
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
have
to
see
all
of
the
garbage
and
ref.
You
know
it's.
It
is
definitely
an
issue
but
at
the
same
time
we're
going
to
just
move
them
from
it's
like
moving
sand
piles,
except
for
that
humans
are
not
sand,
piles
and
I.
Guess
that's!
O
And
I
see
that
too
I
I
just
got
into
this
because
of
drones,
but
I
I
can
understand
exactly
why
they
want
to
close
the
gate
and
they
want
to
keep
that
traffic
from
going
back
and
forth
at
night.
But
you
have
people
that
are
camping
and
that's
not
the
same
thing
they'll
be
there
anyway,
because
they
can
walk.
O
C
F
So
my
name
is
Joanna
Gary
and
I
was
here
for
the
last
discussion
about
this
ordinance
and
I
just
need
clarification.
Then
this
is
restricting
the
times
that
people
can
be
in
the
marsh.
So
who?
What
do
we
consider
the
people
who
are
camping
in
the
marsh
and,
what's
going
to
happen
to
those
people?
Are
we
addressing
that?
F
Or
is
it
just
something
that
we're
gonna
smooth
over
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
there's
going
to
be
a
big
sweep
and
people
are
going
to
be
kicked
out
of
the
marsh
because
there's
this
ordinance
and
it
actually
does
include
people
who
are
camping
there?
I
need
just
clarification
on
that,
because
it
is
really
true.
F
P
I,
we
have
not
seen
this
as
changing
our
current
practice.
It
doesn't
mean
that
individuals
that
are
causing
issues
where
we
receive
a
lot
of
complaints-
and
there
is
you
know
whatever,
regardless
of
the
issue.
If
it's
loose
dogs
that
are
getting
aggressive
towards
people,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
will
do
no
enforcement
of
those
people,
but
it
won't
change
our
current
practice.
There
is
enforcement
now
on
certain
individuals,
Behavior
based,
and
that
will
continue,
but
this
is
not
intended
to
change
our
practice
so.
F
W
Hi,
my
name
is
George
Green
and
I
have
a
long
history
with
a
marsh.
Having
been
a
former
Wildlife
student
actually
lived
there
near
there
I'm
pretty
much
in
favor,
with
what's
going
on
with
the
vehicles
and
the
restrictions
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
I
wanted
to
relay
to
you
like
an
experience
that
happened
to
me
just
a
little
while
ago
regarding
in
quotes,
camper
and
I
was
going
around
the
log
Pond,
and
there
was
somebody
that
had
a
tent
in
in
the
heart
of
the
log
Pond.
W
You
know
there
was
a
little
trail
of
it
took
you
down
to
where
the
water
was
and
that
tent
was
there
and
I
went
by
there
didn't
go
down,
but
just
on
the
trail
and
I
could
see
it.
I
was
surprised
because
I
knew
that
there
were
adjacent
areas
to
the
marsh
where
people
had
camped
and
I
found
some
fault
with
that.
But
anyway,
when
I
went
by
the
person
had
an
alarm,
it's
one
that
you
pull.
You
know
the
ones
that
are
make
a
squealing
kind
of
a
sound.
W
W
My
thought
is
that,
just
to
in
terms
of
natural
resources
and
in
the
environment
and
I,
remember
a
while
back,
they
had
a
the
tree.
That's
the
tallest
tree,
the
Redwood
and
the
Redwood
Parks
up
there
to
the
north,
a
Hyperion
tree
where
they
didn't.
It
was
getting
degraded
so
much
that
they
would
not
allow
anybody
to
go
out
to
see
that
tree.
W
But
what
I
do
believe
is
that
there
should
be
some
kind
of
maybe
like
a
tent
city
where
there
is
you
know,
heating
concerns
and
so
on
and
so
forth
to
provide
for
the
homeless,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
safety
hazard
and
a
public
safety
issue
for
that
situation
to
be
allowed.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
D
C
C
F
C
V
So,
in
other
words,
20
of
edible
food
currently
going
to
the
landfill
needs
to
be
reduced
and
rescued,
so
that
those
in
need
are
able
to
eat
that
food,
and
so
1383
includes
a
variety
of
requirements
for
jurisdictions
as
well
as
food
generators,
in
other
words,
grocery
stores,
restaurants
to
comply
with,
as
well
as
reporting
requirements
in
education
and
Outreach
requirements.
And
so
this
piece
is
really
the
the
intended
next
step
in
being
able
to
develop
a
regional
program.
Because.
V
Edible
food
resources
are
really
distributed
throughout
the
county,
so
in
other
words,
food
recovery
organizations,
don't
just
work
in
the
city
of
Arcata.
They
work
county-wide
and
likewise,
members
of
our
broader
Humboldt
County
are
probably
shopping
across
jurisdictional
boundaries
and
the
requirements
for
the
state
law
are
the
same
for
all
jurisdictions,
and
so
the
intent
is
to
start
to
develop
a
more
Regional
program
such
that
the
Humboldt
County
community
at
large
is
under
getting
the
same
information
the
same
education
for
General
community
members.
V
Restaurants
are
getting
the
same
information,
we're
all
meeting
the
same
requirements,
we're
working
with
food
recovery
organizations
as
a
whole
and
centralizing
that
information
such
that
our
jurisdictions
can
individually
comply
in
the
most
cost-effective
way.
So
that
is
probably
the
most
long-winded
way
to
simplify
the
requirements
and
I'd
be
happy
to
dive
into
any
additional
questions.
Thank.
C
C
C
C
Before
yeah
we
had
so
yeah,
we
did
have
interviews
right
before
this
meeting
so
we'll
just
go
into
public
comment
first
and
then
we
can
have
a
motion.
So
if
there's
anybody
in
person
that
would
like
to
comment
on
us
appointing
two
new
members,
the
Planning
Commission
for
terms
expiring
in
March,
31st
2025..
Please
make
your
way
to
the
podium
or
raise
your
hand
on
Zoom.
X
C
O
C
P
T
Ahead,
we
forgot
it
before
I,
know
and
and
I
probably
couldn't
have
done
it
anyways,
because
I
realized
now
the
Planning
Commission
appointment
has
been
agendized
I'm.
So
what
the
thing
that
I
wanted
to
consider-
or
maybe
have
somebody
address-
is
that
we
in
this
neighborhood
we
may
be
concerned
that
there
could
be
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
conflict
of
interest,
it's
more
it
here.
It's
the
appearance
of
a
possible
quid
pro
quo.
T
When
you
have
elected
council
members
who
received
endorsements
from
people
that
are
going
to
are
seeking
appointment
to
the
Planning
Commission,
and
now
that
elected
member
is
going
to
vote
on
somebody
that
gave
them
an
endorsement
and
then
they
can
repay
them
with
a
vote.
Is
there
an
issue
of
quid
pro
quo
here
or
am
I,
not
understanding
something?
Thank
you.
C
U
The
quid
pro
quo-
prohibition
under
state
law
has
to
do
with
financial
gain
that
one
obtains
an
appointing
a
member
to
the
Planning
Commission
is
the
legislative
act,
a
political
act?
There
is
no
Financial
Kickback
that
I'm
aware
of
in
this
in
in
this
particular
situation.
So
obviously,
if
the
facts
change,
we
can
revisit
it,
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
circumstances
are
that
that
he
was
talking
about
at
a
sort
of
very
general
level.
But
quid
pro
quo
does
require
a
financial
gain.
U
M
C
C
You
know
for
for
us
to
make
those
comments
so
I
mean
my
thinking
is
just
both
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
younger
person.
We
have
a
lot
of
older
people
on
the
Planning,
Commission
I
think
having
a
younger
face
on
the
Planning
Commission,
especially
somebody
who
is
so
qualified,
both
with
legal
knowledge
and
just
involvement
in
the
community,
so
I
think
Matthew's
a
very
strong
candidate
in
that
sense,
and
then
I
mean
Peter's.
C
Institutional
knowledge
is
just
blows
me
out
of
the
water
and
the
fact
that
he's
you
know
served
on
a
similar
committee
back
in
the
80s
and
has
seen
the
way
that
Arcata
has
evolved.
You
know
over
all
the
years
I
just
that
that
kind
of
experience,
especially
from
an
environmental
standpoint
I
think,
is
going
to
be
really
important,
with
forward
planning
in
the
community
and
and
why
I
was
really
you
know
my
mind
would
be
to
support
those
two
candidates
as
well
and.
M
M
A
I
Well
and
I
I
know
that
it
yeah
it
could
be
a.
It
can
be
a
lot
to
process
everything,
but-
and
sometimes
it
feels
just
because
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
that
just
kind
of
lets
the
group
and
the
public
know
where
we're
coming
from
and
then
we
can
absolutely
can
talk
even
just
because
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
doesn't
mean
we
can't
discuss
it.
If
people
have
things
to
bring
up
that's
a
great
time
to
do
it,
and
then
we
go
to
a
vote.
I
M
M
You
know,
in
fact
he
said
a
very
pointed
statement
of
he
didn't
want
another
Santa
Cruz
and
neither
do
I,
and
so
that
was
something
that
jumped
out.
Also,
he
addressed
infrastructure
which
I'm
hearing
from
the
constituents
that
they
are
really
concerned
about,
that
we
have
the
proper
infrastructure,
arcade
of
fire
district
and
those
items
being
addressed
and
so
yeah
I
just
was
wanting.
I
thought
we
would
talk
about
the
pros,
the
cons
and
those
kinds
of
things,
so
that
was
what
I
was
missing.
I
thought
yeah.
C
I
hear
those
points
and
I,
you
know:
I
I
stated
how
I
felt
about
it.
I
respectfully
disagree
I
think
we
have
plenty
of
business
Community,
folks
on
the
Planning,
Commission
already
and
I
think
to
widen
that
view.
I
mean
I,
think
leaning
more
towards
the
environmental
folks
in
our
community,
especially
with
the
issue
of
climate
change
banging
out
our
door.
C
C
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
if
you,
if
you
look
at
all
the
other
interviews
that
we've
done
we,
this
would
follow
suit.
In
that
there
have
been
I
mean
I
talked
to
one
other
council
person
which
I
am
absolutely
allowed
to
do,
and
that
was
all.
But
if
you
notice,
we've
never
gone
deep
into
discussion
of
any
of
the
volunteers
that
we've
interviewed
it's
it's
very
personal.
Those
people
that
are
showing
up
and
so
today
was
was
no
different.
I
If
you
go
back
and
watch
any
other
time,
we've
appointed
people
to
committee.
I
cannot
recall
having
a
lengthy
discussion.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we,
we
were
doing
anything
that
we
shouldn't
be
doing,
but
we
did
an
extensive
interview
for
a
half
an
hour
and
we
formed
opinions
and
we've
discussed
them
and
we
did
ask
for
public
input,
so
I
think
we've
covered
the
basis
and.
C
This
and
just
to
add,
you
know:
I
asked
for
public
input
at
the
beginning
of
this
item,
because
again
this
is
your
chance
for
us
to
discuss
what
you
have
said
as
the
public
as
well,
and
so
thank
you
to
our
person.
That
commented,
but
you
know
at
this
point:
I
don't
feel
comfortable
deviating
from
that
process.
C
C
Okay,
so
again,
thank
you.
So
we
had
our
interviews
before
this.
We
listened
to
what
all
these
candidates
had
to
say.
We
made
evaluations
in
our
own
minds
and
thought
about.
We
had
time
to
prep
before
and
look
at
their
resumes
and
applications
that
they
sent
in
to
three
very
qualified
candidates,
and
we
had
time
to
ruminate
over
that
between
the
meeting
and
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
and
emotion
has
been
made
and
a
second
has
been
made
and
we
began
to
vote
and
many
people
voted.
C
So
I
am
going
to
move
us
back
to
that
vote,
just
to
make
sure
our
clerk
was
able
to
get
all
of
those
votes
down
yeah.
Let's
just
do
a
roll
call
vote,
then.
So
we
had
an
emotion
by
council
member
Stillman
and
a
second
by
council
member
Atkins
Salazar
again
to
appoint
Matthew
Simmons
and
Peter
Lehman
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
terms
ending
March,
25th,
2000
or
March
31st
2025..
L
N
N
C
P
C
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L
C
C
M
P
C
C
P
Thank
you,
mayor
and
Council.
The
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
the
actual
appeal
of
the
Westwood
Gardens
apartment
development
and
the
appeal
was
brought
by
a
tenant
of
the
existing
multi-family
complex.
The
appellant
does
meet
the
qualifications
to
file
the
appeal
for
the
project
and
the
appellant
also
requested
that
the
city
council
consider
refunding
the
appeal
fee.
By
way
of
background.
The
city
has
a
fee,
that's
established
in
our
free
resolution.
The
cost
of
the
appeal
tonight
is
1867.38.
P
P
We
do
also
have
a
translator
here
tonight.
I,
don't
know
if
her
services
will
be
needed
for
this
evening,
but
would
be
about
another
300
as
well
in
terms
of
actual
cost.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
over
just
the
request
to
consider
a
fee
waiver
of
the
appeal
fee,
and
then
we
would
be
refunding
all
or
a
portion.
If
that
was
the
council
excuse.
O
C
L
P
P
I
will
say
in
terms
of
the
requests
that
came
forward,
some
consideration
that
this
was
coming
from
tenants
and
not
from
neighboring.
You
know
Properties
or
people
that
might
have
other
Financial
interests.
I.
Think
at
least
was
a
discussion
point
with
some
in
the
community,
but
we
just
don't
get
very
many
appeals
and
I
don't
know
of
any
requests.
That's
come
forward
to
ask
for
a
waiver.
I
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
do
support
giving
a
partial
refund
back
and
my
reasoning
being
is
because
it
it
is
primarily
the
tenants
that
are
coming
forth
with
this.
It's
it's
their
it's
their
space,
they're
concerned
with
it,
and
so
I
I
I
do
support
giving
a
portion
of
that
money
back.
So
maybe
you
know
if
others
feel
the
same.
Perhaps
we
could
talk
about
what
that
might
be.
O
Well,
I
can
see
that
too,
but
if
we're
paying
for
a
translator-
and
we-
we
have
a
figure
of
350-
and
we
know
that's
total-
is
about
650.-
that's
money.
We
cannot
return
because
I'm
sure
that
translator
is
part
of
not
our
request.
I
would
think
I,
don't
know
where
that
came
from,
so
that
would
be
about
1217.38
cents.
C
Okay,
yeah,
just
where
I
I
stand,
I
mean
this
is
a
tenant
brought
kind
of
Grassroots
appeal
that
we're
seeing
here
this
evening.
I.
Definitely
in
my
mind,
you
know
if,
if
I
was
one
of
these
tenants,
I
could
not
pay
eighteen
hundred
dollars
to
appeal
this
decision,
and-
and
so
you
know,
I'm
leaning
more
towards
refunding
it
completely.
But
you
know
if
the
motion
is
on
the
table
to
give
a
perfect
partial
adjustment.
C
I
know
there
was
a
request
for
translation
and
now
I'm,
maybe
even
hearing
that
the
translator
might
not
even
be
needed
tonight,
which
is
really
unfortunate
because
we've
already
paid
the
translator
to
you
know
prep
before
this
meeting,
because
you
can't
just
throw
somebody
in
blind
and
have
them.
You
know:
go
over
complex
land
use
planning
vocabulary,
and
so
you
know
I
I
definitely
do
support
the
refunding
all.
If
not
at
least
you
know
most
of
this
fee,
so.
Y
C
I
O
O
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C
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R
You
honorable
mayor
I'm,
Fred
wise.
What
we
have
here
is
a
very
unusual
situation
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
I
understand
there.
It's
been
a
long
time
since
there's
been
an
appeal.
I
piled
an
appeal
about
23
years
ago
for
the
Windsong
project.
The
cost
then
was
185
dollars.
It
resulted
in
substantial
improvements
to
the
project.
I
work
with
the
developer
on
that.
What's
different
about
this
is
that
the
project
went
to
the
Planning
Commission.
R
There
was
a
staff
report
and
there
were
some
false
statements
in
the
staff
report
that
I
believe
influenced
the
planning
Commissioners
to
approve
the
project.
I
wrote
to
the
council
on
November
4th
I,
resent
my
email
recently
I'll
be
covering
this.
When
we
talk
about
the
appeal,
the
May,
there
are
four
distinct
incorrect
statements.
The
major
one
was
calling
the
project
unrestricted,
affordable
housing
for
the
community.
It
is
in
no
way
shape
or
form
listed
as
affordable
housing
for
the
community.
R
The
five
Commissioners
voted
on
it.
We
have
comments
from
three
of
them.
These
are
actual
quotes.
A
Christian
Figueroa
said
we
need
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
move
forward
with
having
affordable
housing
and
he
voted.
Yes,
commissioner,
Kimberly
White,
then,
commissioner,
said
the
question
is:
is
what's
the
guarantee
to
to
have
going
to
make
it's
going
to
be
affordable?
Vice,
chair,
Scott,
Davies,
John
Barstow,
had
recently
resigned.
He
said
I'm
going
to
invoke
John
Barstow
in
his
absence
to
say
that
this
makes
sense
because
it
meets
our
needs
for
affordable
housing.
R
My
proposal
that
I'll
go
into
this
more
later
is
that
the
Commissioners
were
swayed
by
the
desire.
We
all
desire,
affordable
housing
in
Arcata,
that's
a
given.
They
overlooked
many
of
items
that
I
feel
could
not
meet
the
findings.
So
we
have
a
situation
here
which
is
distinctly
different
from
someone
filing
an
appeal
just
because
they
don't
like
a
project.
Here
we
have
procedural
aspect
of
things.
We
have
a
staff
report
which
is
not
my
opinion
that
it's
wrong.
It's
clear
that
it's
wrong.
R
That's
what
makes
this
appeal
different.
My
recommendation
is:
I
would
like
to
say
that
having
a
translator
or
having
time,
those
are
costs
that
the
city
has
to
Bear.
Those
are
part
of
doing
business
as
a
city
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
applicant
I
would
recommend
strongly
that
the
applicant
received
all
of
her
money
back.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
X
Hello,
I'm
Adam
Taylor
I'm
resident
at
Westwood,
I'd
like
to
say
that
first
off,
why
doesn't
the
city
provide
translation
free
of
charge
that
is
onerous
to
so
many
people
in
this
community
if
they
want
to
be
able
to
understand
what
is
going
on
at
city,
council
or
other
operations
of
government
that
should
be
refunded?
Second,
we
believe
that
the
city,
the
the
Planning
Commission,
had
serious
errors,
and
why
should
we
have
to
pay
for
additional
staff
time
if
the
staff
did
not
do
things
correctly?
X
Y
Good
evening,
first
off,
thank
you
very
much
for
making
the
well
just
for
getting
a
translator
for
this
evening.
Our
community
members
that
would
require
a
translator
couldn't
make
it
due
to
the
weather.
It
is
definitely
a
needed
service
just
because
there
are
so
many
families
that
are
impacted
by
this
project,
who
have
little
understanding
of
the
details
of
the
said
project,
because
no
information
has
been
provided
in
Spanish
other
than
what
our
group
has
put
together
in
terms
of
notifying
about
meetings.
Y
Even
at
some
of
the
Planning
Commission
meetings,
we
had
families
who
primarily
speak
Spanish
attending
in
solidarity
with
I
I
doubt
they
took
much
away
from
the
meeting
at
all.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
the
people
who
live
at
Westwood,
Garden
Apartments,
we're
made
up
of
students
fixed
income,
retirees
single
moms,
who
are
working
low-paying
jobs,
who
would
be
severely
hit
with
any
kind
of
financial
burden,
and
you
know,
they're
a
vulnerable
population
and
next
up
to
be
homeless.
Y
But
you
know
I
want
to
support,
and
so,
even
if
you're,
taking
a
majority
of
the
money
and
refunding
it,
even
that
600
means
a
lot
to
the
people
who
contributed,
especially
over
the
holidays.
A
lot
of
people
sacrificed
doing
extra
things,
nice
for
the
holidays,
we're
seeing
family,
and
so
just
so,
you
understand
the
kinds
of
sacrifices
that
we
made
in
order
to
bring
this
forward
to
the
council.
To
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
Z
Z
C
L
L
300
is
not
might
not
seem
like
a
lot
of
money.
You
know
to
the
city,
but
I
think
for
the
people,
the
Grassroots
community
that
appealed
this
I
think
it
is
probably
incumbent
of
us
to
offer
Spanish
translation,
probably
to
anything
that
is
asked
for
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
an
emotion
to
refund
the
full
appeal
for
Westwood
Garden.
O
P
C
G
C
O
O
I
O
I
You
okay!
So
since
I
withdrew
my
motion
now
there
is
no
second
to
that.
So
I
would
like
to
make
a
third
motion
compromise,
because
I
I'm
totally
on
board
with
what
you
guys
are
saying
about
the
translation,
so
that
I
would
like
to
refund
all
of
the
money,
except
for
the
original.
The
350
dollars
listed
in
our
agenda
for
fixed
costs.
C
C
H
H
H
The
items
that
I'd
Orient
you
to
in
your
staff
report
beyond
the
appeal
which
is
attachment
a
was
that
we
included
the
entire
adopted
Planning
Commission
action
as
attachment
B
and
the
Planning
Commission
staff
report
for
your
review.
Now
the
Planning
Commission
action
is
what
you're,
what
you're
actually
taking
into
consideration.
As
a
staff
report
says,
you
can
either
affirm
that
action
that
the
Planning
Commission
took
you
can
modify
it,
affirm
it
in
part
and
then
modify
it
or
you
can
reverse
that
decision.
C
So
are
there
any
questions
preliminarily
for
director
Loya
before
we
move
to
our
app
applicant
propellant?
Okay?
Well,
then,
if
we
don't
have
any
questions
right
now,
yeah
we
will
turn
it
over
to
our
appellants.
We've
allotted
you
guys.
As
a
team
I
hear
there
are
multiple
presenters
one
hour
to
present,
and
so
we
will
move
to
that
when
you
are
ready.
C
R
Okay,
my
name
is
Fred
wise
I
am
a
friend
of
the
Appellate
I
have
no
Financial
interests
at
the
September
27th
Planning
Commission
meeting
the
six
Commissioners
there
voted
that
the
Westwood
Garden
Apartments
project
be
sent
back
for
improvement.
A
month
later,
the
October
25th
meeting
there
was
a
about
two
hours
of
input.
Public
comment:
discussion
on
the
revised
project.
R
R
I
believe
that
the
Planning
Commission
acted
in
error
and,
in
my
presentation,
will
explain
that
I
don't
propose
that
I
know
more
than
the
planning
committers
about
being
a
planet
commissioner,
but
I
think
that
there
are
some
errors
here.
The
question
is:
how
could
four
experience
planning
Commissioners
have
made
a
mistake?
I'll
outline
this
so
first,
what
does
the
code
say?
R
The
project
has
to
meet
code
requirements.
The
project
has
to
be
beneficial
for
the
people
of
Arcata.
It
has
to
be
run
by
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
policies
and
the
project
has
to
be
meet
the
requirements
and
intentions
of
the
general
plan
and
of
the
code,
so
the
project
is
in
a
planned,
Development
Area.
R
So
let's
look
at
the
definition
of
a
plan
development.
It's
a
development
of
land
as
a
single
unit,
taking
advantage
of
modern
site
planning
techniques
to
result
in
a
more
efficient
use
of
the
land
and
a
Better
Living
environment
than
is
otherwise
possible
through
application
of
without
being
a
planned
development.
R
R
The
planned
residential
development
requirements
are
to
incorporate
a
mix
of
residential
types
unit
sizes
Styles
in
a
coordinated
manner,
to
provide
larger,
more
usable
areas
not
affected
by
site
coverage
and
protect
natural
resources
inside
features
at
the
September
27th
meeting,
the
Commissioners
had
issues
with
finding
F
finding
G
finding
H
entry
removal
finding
a
there's.
A
lot
there
I'm
going
to
concentrate
on
finding
G
the
proposed
project
will
produce
a
comprehensive
development
of
superior
quality,
because
not
just
in
my
opinion,
I
think
I'll
prove
to
you
that
this
is
not
a
project
of
superior
quality.
R
Let's
see
yeah
here
we
go,
this
is
finding
G
again.
The
proposed
project
will
produce
a
comprehensive
development
of
superior
quality,
including
any
of
the
following
and
David
was
very
clear
about
this.
That's
not
limited
to
these
and
it,
but
these
are
typical:
a
variety
of
structure,
placement
and
orientation,
opportunities
and
appropriate
mix
of
structure,
sizes,
high
quality
architecture,
design
and
importantly,
an
increased
amount
of
landscaping
and
open
space,
improved
solutions
to
the
design
and
placement
for
parking
facilities
that
might
not
otherwise
be
available.
R
R
R
Hardly
this
project
has
minimal
useful,
open
space
as
you'll
see
the
developer
May
state
that
there
is
an
excess
of
open
space
according
to
the
regulations,
and
that
is
true
in
terms
of
the
number
of
square
feet
by
adding
up
a
whole
lot
of
small
Parcels.
We
get
to
a
large
number
figure,
but
it
is
not
usable
open
space.
R
So
it's
plus
the
open
space
as
you'll
see
is
typically
in
shade
during
the
day.
So
the
answer
there
is
no,
let's
see
so
it
sewned
as
planned
development
and
must
conform
to
higher
standards
than
if
it
had
been
designated
not
been
designated
as
a
plan
development,
and
this
is
to
ensure
a
higher
quality
project
would
be
built
at
the
site.
This
is
something
that
the
city
council
did.
David
can
tell
us,
but
20
years
ago,
perhaps
I
ask
that
you
respect
that
council's
decision
for
the
zoning
this
allows.
R
R
R
R
R
R
This
is
person
13
feet,
distance.
It
was
either
13
or
12.
it's
hard
to
say
from
the
drawing
his
view
is
of
the
wall.
Here's
the
sky,
coming
through
the
eaves
he'd,
have
to
be
lying
down
on
the
floor.
Looking
up
to
see
the
sky
so
on
the
Second
Story
is
just
as
bad
he'd
be
lying
with
his
head
here
to
see
the
sky
there's
there's
the
path
if
it
was
18
feet
apart.
R
R
Let's
see-
and
these
are
18
feet
apart,
so
everything's
a
little
better,
but
a
person
can
still
not
see
the
sky
unless
he's
lying.
With
his
head
on
the
floor
right
there,
looking
up
Second
Story
same
thing,
I
hope
this
is
clear.
I'm
going
pretty
quickly
for
the
residents
who've
been
living
in
these
apartments.
R
R
That's
what's
replacing.
Currently,
they
can
see
the
sunrise,
so
normally
we
like
to
see
two-story
buildings
for
housing
and
Arcata,
at
least
so
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
These
are
not
really
two-star
and
they're.
Two
stories
physically,
but
but
the
vast
majority
have
one
level
of
housing.
78
apartments
are
on
the
second
floor
of
the
downstairs.
Neighbors
are
parked.
Cars
I
regard
this
as
an
extremely
poor
use
of
available
land
in
Arcata.
R
R
R
This
is
the
recreational
area.
This
is
the
largest
area,
that's
not
a
strip!
It
says
900
square
feet.
That
is
a
mistake.
I
apologize,
it's
actually
1600
square
feet.
The
question
is:
is
that
enough
for
the
occupants
Department?
Now
we
talk
about
solar,
shading
I
can
go
back
and
show
you
the
orientation
of
the
buildings.
The
buildings
are
oriented
about
as
poorly
for
solar
shading,
as
could
possibly
be
each
building
Shades,
the
one
next
to
it.
The
recreational
area
and
the
gardens
are
surrounded
by
buildings
on
all
sides.
R
Okay,
this
area,
this
Recreation
Area,
is
shaded
at
noon.
For
four
months
of
the
year.
At
the
highest
point
of
the
day,
it's
shaded
it's
for
half
the
year
is
half
shaded
by
9
A.M.
It's
two-thirds
in
Shadow
for
most
of
the
day
for
10
months
of
the
year,
half
or
more
of
this
area
is
in
Shadow
for
the
majority
of
hours
of
the
day.
R
In
law,
there's
a
concept
called
implied
warranty.
If
something
is
called
by
a
name,
it
should
perform
the
functions
of
that
name
to
a
reasonable
person
in
a
reasonable
sense.
These
are
called
community
garden
areas.
That's
a
building!
That's
a
building!
That's
a
building!
There's
another
building
there,
they're
surrounded
by
buildings
on
all
sides.
For
six
months
of
the
year,
these
Gardens
get
full
sun
for
one
or
one
and
a
half
hours
a
day.
One
Garden
never
gets
sunlight
for
six
months
of
the
year.
R
I
would
not
call
that
a
garden
each
building,
because
they're
parallel
has
solar
shading
on
the
adjacent
building
the
in
midwinter,
which
is
the
worst
time.
Of
course,
there's
14
people
who
get
sung
out
of
222
Apartments
the
rest
of
the
residents
get
zero
spun
at
no
point.
In
the
day,
do
they
get
sun
on
their
building
any
son?
R
So
is
this
a
recipe
for
mildew
and
mold?
Absolutely
and
not
just
in
the
north
buildings,
although
these
were
pointed
out
by
the
planning,
Commissioners
planning,
commissioner
Dan
tagney
I
feel
bad
for
the
north
building.
It's
12
feet
between
buildings
does
seem
minimal
planning.
Commissioner
Judith
mayor
and
these
are
quotes
when
we're
looking
at
the
need
to
protect
the
Healthy
Living
environment,
taking
away
light
from
North
facing
units
in
that
Northern
building
doesn't
seem
the
way
to
do
it.
It's
take
away
light
in
North
facing
buildings
North
facing
occupants
in
all
the
buildings.
R
Ada
access
is
sufficient.
This
is
something
that
is
normally
corrected
at
the
permitting
stage,
but
I
pointed
out
for
a
few
different
reasons.
As
you
can
see,
these
are
wheelchairs.
You
know
the
to
get
in
to
the
bathroom
door.
A
person
in
a
wheelchair
has
to
go
here.
Then
here
open
the
door
open
the
door.
All
the
way
go
back
again,
go
up
turn
around
and
go
in
there.
Okay,
there's
it's
not
well
designed
for
wheelchair
access,
the
it's
actually
against
Ada
regulations.
R
The
patio
door
is
not
large
enough.
The
closet
door
does
not
have
access
to
the
closet.
You
can
see
a
person
wheelchair
there
there's
a
sliding
door,
there's
no
access,
the
there's,
not
I,
don't
think,
there's
enough
room
to
take
a
shower
okay,
this
can
be
remedied
and
and
at
some
point
we'll
have
to
be
remedied.
The
parking
is
also
deficient.
There's
101,
70.
171
parking
spaces.
R
They
have
four,
the
Ada
minimum
is
six.
It
also
has
the
Ada
parking
spaces
have
to
be
closest
to
the
Ada
units,
in
this
case
they're
not
they're
farther
away,
but
this
can
be
remedy
too.
What
bothers
me
I
would
go
to
here
is
the
general
sloppiness
of
the
application.
It
was
not
designed
by
an
architect
and
it's
clear
that
it's
not
designed
by
an
architect
there's
a
lack
of
thoughtful
design
and
the
same
indifference
to
ADA
requirements
is
shown
throughout
the
project.
R
Here
is
an
example.
This
is
the
entry
door
to
the
apartment.
The
door
opens
up
and
you
walk
right
into
the
kitchen
sink,
there's
no
place
to
put
groceries
no
place
to
hang
a
coat,
no
place
to
put
mail
or
keys
the
gas
wall.
Furnaces
here
means
you
can't
put
Furniture
in
front
of
it.
Gas
appliances
are
already
banned
or
discouraged
in
50,
California
cities
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
do
it
here
real
soon,
but
the
developer
is
not
required
to
not
use
gas.
R
It
also
has
a
gas
stove
and
gas
water
heaters
when
I
talked
about
Julian
Berg's
design.
I
include
it
here
this
on
the
left.
This
is
the
design
of
the
studio
apartments,
102
identical
Apartments
there.
You
see
the
door
that
you
walk
right
into
the
kitchen
sink.
The
middle
one
is
Sunset
Terrace
Apartments
on
Foster
Avenue
from
Kirk
Kramer,
big
Improvement,
here's
the
front
door,
you
walk
into
a
living
space,
okay
and
then
on.
R
R
Given
what
you
know,
do
you
agree
with
the
findings?
Does
the
project
incorporate
a
mix
of
residential
types
unit,
sizes
and
styles?
Absolutely
not.
Does
it
meet
high
standards,
Environmental,
Quality
and
public
health
I
would
say
no
does
it
satisfy
the
intents
and
goals
of
the
general
plan
again
I
would
say
no.
R
R
So
we
have
the
simple
question:
why
was
this
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
very
simple?
The
staff
report
contains
false
and
misleading
information
I'll
get
into
this
there's
key
areas
where
the
staff
report
is
an
error.
This
is
not
my
opinion.
This
is
a
fact,
and
this
also
seems
to
be
a
fact
that
the
planning
Commissioners
took
that
information
as
a
primary
consideration
in
their
approval,
one,
how
many
people
will
live
in
these
new
apartments.
The
staff
report
uses
the
figure
of
2.36
persons
per
unit.
R
This
is
a
standard
figure
and
staff
report
says
it's
on
in
your
packet
page
51.
It
could
be
expected
that
the
102
new
units
May
provide
housing
for
241
community
members.
What's
wrong
with
this,
the
2.36
figure
is
a
community-wide
number.
It
is
not
meant
to
be
used
on
a
one-bedroom
apartment.
I
hope
you
can
understand.
This
is
a
false,
misleading
statement.
R
The
the
the
the
staff
report
says
could
be
expected
to
or
may
provide
housing
for,
241
community
members-
it
does
say-
may
it
does
say,
could
but
Kimberly
White
at
that
time
of
playing.
Commissioner
believed
this
because
she
said
we
well
if
I'm
looking
at
102
units
so
have
housing
for
241
possible
community
members.
R
The
staff
report
says
that
there's
84
indoor
bicycle
parking
spaces
within
the
buildings.
It
says
this
three
times,
but
there's
no
indoor
bicycle
parking
now.
How
much
difference
does
that
make
the
difference?
Is
that
any
biker,
any
bike
owner
with
a
decent
bike?
An
expensive
bike
doesn't
want
to
leave
their
bike
outside?
They
don't
want
to
leave
it
in
a
area,
that's
not
protected
and
can't
be
locked
and
under
a
carport,
a
bike
can
rust.
R
R
R
The
actual
requirements
is
just
to
list
the
number
of
trees
that
are
over
60
inches
diameter,
but
it
seems
kind
of
improper
for
staff
to
not
explicitly
call
out
the
largest
tree
of
the
property
that
has
to
be
removed
and
to
call
out
a
redwood
tree
as
being
an
unknown
species.
I
think
is
a
little
disingenuous
there's
something
wrong.
R
But
this
is
the
biggest
false
statement:
unrestricted,
affordable
housing
for
the
community,
I
mean
no
disrespect
for
Community
Development
Department.
You've
heard
me
talk
here
that
I
feel
they're
underfunded.
There's
overworked,
you
might
say,
or
have
too
much
to
do
and
I
don't
know
what
anyone
was
thinking
when
this
was
written.
But
I
want
to
know
what
you
members
of
the
city
council,
think
of
this
statement.
The
proposed
two-story
construction
materials
and
design
provide
important,
unrestricted,
affordable
housing
for
the
community
page
63
in
your
pocket.
R
R
Housing
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development
HUD
defines
affordable,
that's
costing
no
more
than
30
percent
gross
income
and
Community
utilities,
but
there
is
no
affordable
housing
in
this
project.
It's
not
specified
so
again
for
the
staff
report
to
say:
there's,
affordable
housing
for
the
community
is
very
misleading
and
I
believe
that
the
shortcomings
of
the
project
and
the
inability
to
make
the
findings
were
kind
of
disregarded
or
minimized.
By
the
planning
Commissioners
because
they
they
were
told
this
from
supplies,
affordable
housing.
So
what
do
they
say?
R
R
Vice
chair,
Scott,
Davies
I'm,
going
to
vote
John
Barstow
in
his
absence
to
say
this
makes
sense
because
it
meets
our
needs
for
affordable
housing.
Now
30
minutes
before
these
comments,
David
Loya
spoke
we're
talking
about
a
different
subject
than
affordability,
but
he
pointed
out
that
this
project
is
not
subject
to
housing
for
accountability
act
because
it
does
not
have
affordable
housing.
It's
market
rate
housing.
He
said
this
explicitly,
but
it
doesn't
appear
that
the
three
planning
Commissioners
heard
that
it
appears
that
they
read
the
staff
report.
They
referred
to
this
project
as
affordable
housing.
R
R
Unfortunately,
staff
did
not,
and
the
vote
was
made
base,
I,
believe
and
based
upon
the
statements
that
the
Commissioners
made
in
their
deliberations,
that
this
was
be
supplying,
affordable
housing
for
the
city
of
Arcata.
Would
it
have
made
a
difference
if
they
have
stepped
in
I?
Think
it
would
have
I
think
the
vote
would
have
been
different.
I
think
that
the
Commissioners
were
far
more
compliant
about
the
inadequacies
of
the
project
than
they
would
have
been,
because
we
all
want
housing
and
we
all
want
affordable
housing.
R
All
this
and
more
were
made
more
acceptable
because
it
seemed
that
the
project
was
providing
affordable
housing
again.
The
proposed
two-story
construction,
materials
and
design
provide
important,
unrestricted,
affordable
housing
for
the
community.
It's
a
shame
that
this
happened,
but
this
is
what
happened.
This
was
the
staff
report.
R
R
So
there's
a
further
error,
which
is
a
little
subtle.
So
I'll
ask
you
to
follow
this
when
the
time
for
a
vote
came
there's
a
motion,
there's
lengthy
time,
as
I
mentioned
before
a
second
can
be
found.
The
issue
is
this:
the
applicant
had
asked
for
two
exceptions:
one
was
for
the
location
of
building
for
trash
containers.
That's
not
a
big
issue,
and
but
this
the
larger
one
was
to
Grant
an
exception
to
the
arcata's
land
use
code
for
personal
outdoor,
open
space
for
personal
private
recreational
space,
as
it's
called.
R
The
building
code
calls
for
150
square
feet
now
we're
clear
that
in
no
case
that
we
know
of
in
Arcata
has
that
been
a
requirement
for
building
the
the
the
developers
asked
for
a
reduction
and
it's
granted
because
150
square
feet
is
a
lot.
So
the
applicant
asks
for
reduction
of
48
square
feet
which,
in
normal
circumstances
but
reusable
in
this
particular
project,
because
the
apartments
are
so
close
and
have
so
little
sunlight,
I
think
giving
people
a
little
personal
outdoor
space
seems
very
desirable
and
necessary.
How
close
are
they?
R
R
As
commissioner
Judith
mayor
expressed
it,
if
the
project
were
to
be
turned
down,
she
expressed
that
the
developer
could,
in
theory,
appeal
come
to
the
U
of
the
city
council
and
get
the
project
approved
without
the
exceptions
would
be
kind
of
an
automatic
approval.
If
there
are
no
exceptions,
you
wouldn't
have
grounds
to
deny
it
and
there
is
a
benefit.
The
applicant
or
the
developer.
R
Excuse
me
is
doing
some
riparian
Zone
restoration,
there's
a
condition
of
approval,
that's
very
valuable,
but
the
flaw
in
the
thinking
is
this:
if
the
the
applicant
came
to
the
council
and
said
I
can
live
with
150
square
feet,
there's
not
enough
room
in
the
lot
on
the
parcel
to
build
this
because
of
the
size
of
150
square
feet.
It's
it's
necessary
to
have
a
lower
amount,
there's
not
in
the
physical
space,
so
Judith
Mayer's
concerns
were
actually
unfounded.
R
R
Does
it
meet
High
Styers
standards,
Environmental,
Quality
and
public
health,
not
with
the
public
shading?
That's
there,
the
solar
shading
does
it
satisfy
the
intents
and
goals
of
the
general
plan.
This
is
a
more
subtle
question
involves
knowledge
of
the
of
the
general
plan,
I'd
hope
to
have
and
King
Smith
here
tonight.
R
Who's
involved
in
as
a
planning
commissioner
and
a
general
plan
2020
strongly
the
to
talk
about
this
and
lastly,
as
we
discussed,
is
to
take
advantage
of
what
we
can
call
Modern
site
planning
techniques
to
result
in
a
Better
Living
environment.
Clearly,
not
because
of
the
parallel.
What
I
call
Barrack
style
buildings,
it's
the
worst
possible
solar
orientation.
R
Does
it
comply
with
finding
G
that
it
produces
a
project
of
superior
quality?
The
the
Orient
as
I
mentioned
orientation
operators
are
ignored.
You
each
building,
Shades
the
one
next
to
it.
I
consider
this
to
be
extremely
poor.
Architectural
design
having
car
is
parked
below
the
unit,
so
there's
only
one
level
of
unit,
and
is
there
increased
amounts
of
landscaping
in
open
space?
Obviously
not
so
at
the
September
27th
meeting
it
was
the
Planning
Commission
requested
that
the
applicant
make
some
revisions
and
bring
it
back.
I
gave
him
six
months
to
bring
back
a
revision.
R
R
R
Okay,
thank
you
I'm
just
about
to
thank
you
Sarah
or
mayor
the
this
is
not
the
housing
that
we
need.
I
think
it
can
be
I,
think
the
applicant
to
do
a
better
job,
here's
what
the
future
could
be.
We
could
encourage
the
developer
to
design
a
better
project,
perhaps
with
a
mix
of
unit
size,
more
open
space,
more
sunlight
and
a
higher
quality
of
living
for
all
the
people
to
reside
there.
It
would
probably
result
in
fewer
units.
That's
just
the
way
it
is
two.
R
We
can
encourage
the
developer
to
construct
a
different
style
of
housing.
Than
Cars
downstairs
people
upstairs
it's
a
very
outdated
design,
not
conducive
to
happy
living,
inefficient
use
of
valuable
land.
It's
inexpensive
to
build
three,
which
is
a
little
more
complicated
I,
think,
is
possible,
find
some
subsidies,
so
the
developer
can
build
taller.
R
A
four-story
building
can
be
tucked
away
in
the
back
North
corner,
although
the
parcel
would
not
have
the
solar
shading
problems
that
these
Barrack
style
rows
of
buildings
would
have
now.
This
project
is
off
the
street.
It's
tucked
back
just
out
of
sight,
you
don't
you
wouldn't
even
notice
it.
No
one
will
see
it;
no,
we
won't
be
reminded
of
it
as
what
I
consider
a
failure
of
design.
R
R
Thank
you
one
other
thing.
As
David
Lloyd
mentioned,
you
have
options,
you
can
deny
the
project
outright.
You
can
ask
for
modifications
of
the
project
you
can
approve.
You
can
deny
the
appeal
improve
the
project
outright
or
you
can
send
it
back
to
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
what
they
did
for
the
first
version
of
this,
and
hopefully
the
applicant
would
come
up
with
a
better
design
than
this
that
this
better
for
the
city
of
Arcata
and
the
people
of
Arcata.
Thanks
very
much.
Y
Y
Okay,
so
here's
a
brief
outline
what
we're
going
to
go
through
specifically
the
findings
for
plan
development
permits,
as
this
is
a
plan
development
permit
type
B,
we'll
also
go
through
some
aspects
of
the
housing.
Accountability
act
as
well
as
misleading
statements
and
errors
in
the
staff
report
and
as
evident
by
the
commission
meeting,
quotes
So
I
think
those
are
important
to
take
a
look
at
in
regard
to
all
of
this
and
I.
Just
for
you
know
the
record
and
forever
you
know
to
refresh
everyone's
understanding
of
the
site.
Y
Let's
see
because
let's
see
we'll
go
a
little
bit
faster,
but
just
so
you
get
a
sense
of
scale
of
of
the
site.
So
over
here
we
can
see
the
carports
where
the
existing
carports
are
is
where
the
new
carport
slash
apartment
buildings
would
be
built
not
in
the
same
footprint,
but
even
closer
to
the
existing
buildings.
So,
as
we
walk
the
perimeter
of
the
apartment,
you
can
see
all
of
these
little
green
spaces
adjacent
to
the
fences.
These
are
the
the
small
spaces
that
are
being
added
up
to
say.
Y
The
new
site
has
over
8
000
square
feet
of
recreational
space
when
it's
not
an
appropriate
designation
of
space
for
outdoor
recreation
at
best
it's
Landscaping,
but
we
can
see
this
sidewalk,
like
the
existing
infrastructure,
is
proposed
to
be
taken
out
to
put
new
infrastructure
in
that
does
a
worse
job
of
fulfilling
the
purposes
of
what
it
is.
For
example,
these
sidewalks
would
be
next
to
these
bedroom
windows.
Y
These
patios
in
large
part
would
be
gone
and
the
eve
of
the
carport
or
the
new
buildings
and
the
eve
of
the
existing
buildings
would
be
so
close.
You
essentially
have
an
uncovered
tunnel
between
buildings,
just
taking
a
look
here
at
the
riparian
area
that
is
proposed
to
be
restored,
the
details
of
which
weren't
really
explicitly
stated.
But
again,
this
is,
you
know,
a
small
concession
on
part
of
the
city.
This
is
something
that
community
members
could
get
involved
with.
There's
a
lot
of
people
who
would
be
happy
to
support
this
and
I.
Y
Don't
I
would
assert
it's
not
an
appropriate
trade
to
approve
this
project
because
there's
riparian
area
being
restored
this
up
just
a
little
bit
in
lieu
of
time
see.
So
we
can
see
the
outdoor
space
here
and
the
way
that
the
buildings
are
oriented,
as
well
as
the
mature
trees.
It
takes
a
lot
of
time
for
those
trees
to
build
up,
and
it's
it's
a
great
resource
for
our
community,
but
the
orientation
of
this
this
building
is
smart
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
Y
One
of
the
main
things
that
you
lose
in
the
proposed
design
is
line
of
sight
with
our
community,
so
for
those
neighbors
who
have
kids
who
play
outside
even
for
anything
going
on
in
the
back,
we
all
have
eyes
on
this
space
and
so
my
time
living
there
a
neighbor's
time
living
there.
We've
had
little
to
no
instances
of
you
know,
vandalism
or
camping
or
anything
going
on,
because
our
community
is
tight-knit
and
we
hold
each
other
accountable
in
that
sense.
Y
So
a
little
bit
you
can
see
it's
a
sunny
day
too,
and
the
buildings
are
getting
sunlight,
which
is
nice.
These
buildings
were
built
in
the
1960s
before
modern
vapor
barriers
were
required
or
utilized,
so
it's
necessary
for
the
buildings
to
receive
sunlight,
and
so
we
don't
have
that
mold
and
mildew
growing.
Y
So
here
I'd
like
to
point
out
this
area,
you
see
the
walkway
here.
It's
already
established
this
green
space
here
so
in
the
proposed
Design
This
sidewalk
is
going
to
be
taken
out,
there's
going
to
be
a
new
sidewalk
constructed
directly
next
to
this
bedroom
window.
So
where
I'm
standing
here
is
where
the
new
walkway
would
be,
whereas
you
know
it's
like,
we
already
have
a
walkway
that
you
can.
Y
You
can
utilize
this
area
in
a
different
way,
so
without
seeing
the
other,
mature
trees
and
stuff
like
that,
I'm
going
to
move
on
because
I
think
you
get
the
get
the
idea.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
beautiful
place
and
I
really
want
to
stress
that
we're
not
against
building
here
we're
against
building
in
a
dumb
way.
Y
So
sorry,
for
that
phrasing,
but
that's
kind
of
what
it
comes
down
to
so
in
the
design
that
you
saw
There's,
One,
Direction
and
light
for
the
existing
buildings.
So
it
poses
a
real
problem
when
you're
proposing
to
build
buildings
on
either
side
of
the
existing
buildings,
essentially
treating
them
as
an
obstacle.
So
there's
no
other
opportunity
for
people
who
are
living
in
the
building
to
receive
sunlight.
If
you
know
something's
constructed
in
front
of
their
their
window.
Y
Y
So
this
is
the
summer
solstice
and
the
winter
solstice,
and
so
these
boxes
here
are
the
proposed
buildings
here
and
in
the
middle
and
on
the
sides.
The
larger
boxes
here
are
the
existing
buildings.
So
right
now
we're
going
to
look
at
how
these
how
the
Shadows
are
cast
and
what
available
sunlight
is
actually
available
to
the
residents
in
all
of
the
the
buildings
proposed
or
existing.
Y
So
this
is
during
the
winter
solstice.
So
it's
pretty
shaded
anyways,
but
you
know
just
take
note
of
this
building
existing
building
and
the
proposed
building
with
this
small
space
in
between,
as
well
as
the
Shadows
that
are
cast
from
the
building.
This
is
a
really
really
poor
living
situation
that
is
not
guaranteed
to
be
affordable
at
all
market
rate
housing.
Y
If
you
take
an
average
of
the
apartments
that
this
developer
owns,
it
would
be
over
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
a
416
square
foot,
dark
hole,
and
but
that's
that's
that
so
here's
the
summer
Souls
just
a
little
bit
better,
but
you
can
see
this
building
is
shaded
out
all
the
time.
This
building's
getting
shaded
out
we're
at
what
midday
here.
Yeah,
just
over
midday.
Y
Here's
just
a
quick
mock-up.
This
is
not
the
north
building.
This
would
be
a
southern
facing
building
the
ambient
light
that's
available
in
the
apartment,
and
this
is
a
mock-up
of
what
the
new
view
would
be
with
a
development.
That's
if
the
proposed
development
goes
through,
as
Fred
mentioned
before,
the
Ada
accessibility
in
the
proposed
building
doesn't
make
any
new
designs
for
Adas,
and
so
again
this
just
points
to
the
general
disregard
that
the
developers
have
for
their
inhabitants.
Y
Y
Okay,
so
for
type
B
plan
development
permits
first
thing:
the
development
has
to
follow
the
requirements
for
type
A
permits
minus
1B.
So
that's
the
the
line
that's
crossed
out
number
one.
The
proposed
project
carries
out
the
policies
and
intent
of
the
general
plan.
This
is
very,
very,
very
important.
Remember
that
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
as
we'll
go
through
it's
a
little
bit
easier
to
see
all
right.
So
again,
this
is
literally
type
B
plan
development
permits.
I
wanted.
Y
You
know
this
to
be
available
for,
for
you
guys
to
read
through
so
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
reading
verbatim
the
type
B
plan
development
permits,
but
it
does
state
that
the
project
will
produce
a
comprehensive
development
of
superior
quality,
including
increased
amounts
of
landscaping
and
open
space,
improved
solution
to
the
design
and
placement
that
might
not
otherwise
occur
from
more
traditional
development
application.
So
this
this
plan
development
permit
gives
the
applicant
more
creative
license
to
come
up
with
things
that
are
going
to
be
long-standing
long-serving
for
our
community
and
the
tenants.
Y
You
know
it's
justifiable
and
will
result
in
a
more
desirable
development.
So
each
that's
in
speaking
to
each
proposed
exemption,
whereas
the
exemptions
in
this
project
are
contradictory
to
that
statement
completely,
and
that
is
the
reduction
of
private
outdoor
space
Recreation
space
from
150
square
feet
to
49
square
feet:
Mo,
that's
the
most
egregious
one.
Y
Y
Y
This
project
is
not
under
the
protection
of
the
housing
accountability
act
because
it
is
asking
for
exemptions
and,
as
Fred
pointed
out
before,
that
was
kind
of
it
was
either
missed.
It
was
glossed
over,
but
it
definitely
swayed
the
planning
commission's
opinions
of
the
project
so
in
the
design
review
each
one
of
these
design
review
aspects,
we
can
go
through
and
say:
does
the
project
meet
these
findings?
Does
it
promote
the
orderly
and
harmonious
development
of
the
city?
No,
is
it
a
preserving
important
natural
features?
No,
not
at
all.
Y
Y
So
it's
contradictory
to
the
housing
goals
set
by
Arcata
and
exacerbates
the
issues
of
our
community
currently
faces
in
terms
of
housing,
need
and
housing.
Affordability,
let's
see
getting
to
the
this,
is
inefficient
design,
shading,
lack
of
privacy,
okay,
here's
a
view
of
that
walkway
that
I
mentioned
before
in
the
video,
and
you
can
see
it's
like
we're,
taking
out
existing
infrastructure
and
replacing
it
with
ones
that
might
be
more
cost
effective
for
the
developer.
Y
David
brought
up
a
really
great
point
in
saying:
if
you
parse
up
open
space
into
dysfunctional
quarters,
then
you
still
may
have
met
the
open
space
requirements,
but
you
haven't
met
the
intent
of
the
open
space
requirements.
The
intent
is
a
big
factor
here,
because
what
David
is
bringing
up
is
the
fact
that
this
proposed
development
is
not
meeting
the
the
codes
that
are
set,
and
so
you
know
it
brings
up
this
question
of
the
letter
of
the
law
versus
the
intent
of
the
law.
Y
Y
Y
This
is
an
example
of
open
Recreation
space
at
another
strombeck
property.
It
was
a
a
new
build,
so
there
wasn't
anyone
there
to
advocate
for
the
build
and
I
think
largely.
It
was
passed
through
either
with
Mead
or
just
without
looking
at
the
details,
because
either
they
weren't
provided
or
it's
it's
hard
to
visualize
what
this
is
actually
going
to
look
like.
Y
So
this
is
the
proposed
design.
So
you
can
see.
We've
got
a
picnic
area,
a
recreational
space
in
the
in
the
plan.
Design
This
is
on
Foster
and
Alliance
the
twin
Parks
Apartments.
This
is
the
reality.
This
is
the
outdoor
recreation
space.
That's
provided
in
the
plans,
largely
you
know,
shoddy
Landscaping
space
at
best,
here's,
the
barbecue
picnic,
Recreation
Area
and
bicycle
storage.
Y
You
can
see
in
this
picture
here
the
space
between
each
one
of
these
balconies
is
less
than
five
feet
away
the
when
you
walk
into
this
area,
it's
like
it,
a
fun
house,
and
so
it
looks
like
a
bad
accident,
but
really
it
it's
oversight
in
the
sea
of
large
details
that
was
missed
and
there's
no
Community
advocacy
for
better
housing.
You
know
it's
a
reactionary
need
that
we,
yes,
we
need
more
housing,
but
who
does
this
serve?
Does
this
serve
the
community,
or
does
this
solely
serve
the
developers
bottom
line?
Y
And
so
you
know
in
conclusion,
I
really
want
to
stress
that.
Yes,
we
need
housing,
but
we
need
housing.
That's
going
to
serve
Us
in
the
long
term.
Housing
should
be
healthy
for
people
and
if
the
earthquake
was
any
kind
of
wake-up
call,
it's
that
we
don't
need
still
housing.
We
need
good
foundational
housing
and
we
need
to
have
the
future
in
mind
when,
when
we
do
build
our
housing
in
terms
of
having
efficient
design,
making
making
avenues
for
not
retrofitting
but
future
fitting.
Y
So
I
hope
this.
You
know
glossing
over
of
like
the
hard
hard
facts
wasn't
missed,
but
we
tried
to
put
everything
together
to
give
you
everything
that
you
need
to
say.
This
does
not
meet
the
findings
that
is
outlined
in
the
Arcata
housing
elements,
policy,
nor
the
land
use
code,
and
so
taking
all
this
into
consideration,
the
developer
bought
this
piece
of
land
to
develop
it.
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
scenario
where
If
you
deny
this
project
nothing's
going
to
be
built.
Y
This
gives
the
developer
an
opportunity
to
build
something
that
is
going
to
serve
the
community
and
it
might
even
in
fact
serve
them
better
in
the
long
run,
so
it
it.
It's
I
can't
stress
that
enough.
We
do
want
to
see
something
built
here,
but
we
want
it
to
be
built
respectfully
to
you
know
not
just
us,
but
the
people
who
are
going
to
live
there
in
the
future.
So
thank
you
very
much.
C
C
Yeah
we
can
sure
okay,
then,
let's
do
that
because
yeah
in
case
the
applicant
wants
to
respond
to
any
of
the
concerns
of
the
public
as
well.
We
will
now
go
ahead
and
open
this
up
for
public
comment.
If
you
are
here
in
person
and
would
like
to
comment
on
this
item,
please
make
your
way
towards
the
podium.
You
will
have
three
minutes.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
folks
that
have
previously
arranged
to
seed
their
time
to
others,
so
that
will
happen
as
well.
Okay,
let
us
begin
public
comment.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
Due
to
this
situation,
the
main
responsibility
to
house,
the
incoming
students,
in
my
opinion,
belongs
to
Cal
Poly,
not
the
city.
They
can
only
admit
as
many
students
as
they
can
house.
As
soon
as
this
is
recognized
and
acknowledged,
the
huge
pressure
will
be
lifted
off
the
planning
commissioner's
shoulders.
AA
AA
Some
of
the
Commissioners
I
noted
openly
expressed
dismay
with
the
strongbeck
design
under
appeal
today,
but
voted
for
approval
anyway
because
of
the
urgent
need
for
housing.
This
shortage
in
Arcata
is
going
to
take
years
to
remedy.
As
we
all
know,
there
is
precious
little
land
in
the
city
limits
available
for
development.
AA
AA
AA
E
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
about
affordable
housing
tonight
and
I
would
highly
recommend
everyone
should
be
mandatory
for
city
council
and
Planning
Commission
Cal,
Poly,
Ali,
affordable
housing
was
the
topic
brown
bag
special
given
by
Dan
Coe
Chris
Dart,
so
start
with
a
definition
of
what
affordable
housing
is
there
and
basically
for
their
projects.
Anything
from
four
stories
down
is
going
to
be
affordable.
Anything
above
that
is
not
feasible
economically
because
of
the
cost
of
foundation.
E
It's
a
whole
different
construction,
so
they
also
got
into
affordability
here
in
Arcata,
in
the
fact
that
we're
not
seeing
affordable
housing
is
because
it's
not
because
anybody's
stopping
it.
It's
because
the
medium
income
in
Humboldt
County
and
what
the
cost
to
develop
these
apartment
buildings
is
is
not
feasible.
E
So
that's
sort
of
like
why
everyone's
a
little
bit
of
La
La
Land
on
this,
because
that's
why
we're
not
seeing
housing-
and
this
is
also
something
I've
read
about
in
The,
New,
York
Times
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
but
never
had
anybody
specifically
address
it
and
I.
Think
danco
is
someone
that
knows
a
lot
about
affordable
housing
that
wants
to
build
affordable
housing,
so
I
like
to
see
affordable
housing
built
here
too,
but
unfortunately,
this
whole
process
has
been
a
little
crazy.
E
I'll
stand
up
a
little
bit
for
the
city
from
the
standpoint.
They
had
a
checklist
on
this
project
and
it
met
all
those
criterias
and
that's
why
the
the
staff
approved
it
I
think
the
Planning
Commission
the
same
thing:
they
they
didn't,
love
the
project.
It's
you
could
see
it
with
the
video.
It's
basically
a
1960s
building.
It's
got
a
pretty
basic.
They
actually
said
you
know
the
100
plus
new
units
very
basic,
so
they
weren't
in
love
with
the
design.
E
I
think
it
really
came
down
to
the
fact
that
there's
nothing
on
the
horizon
as
far
as
affordable
out
I
mean
housing
in
the
future
period,
whether
it's
affordable
or
not.
There
is
nothing.
That's
out
there.
The
only
housing
that's
going
to
be
built
is
going
to
be
built
by
Cal
Poly
because
they
have
a
half
a
billion
of
dollars.
They
don't
have
the
same
kind
of
laws
that
affect
us
here
in
the
city.
They
can
basically
do
what
they
want.
E
They
can
purchase
property
and
and
do
what
they
want
so
I
think
that's
why
they
made
a
decision.
It
wasn't
an
easy
decision,
but
it
was
a
decision
because
there's
not
going
to
be
any
housing
built
for
a
while
here.
So
that's
maybe
a
little
bit,
not
what
the
audience
here
and
I
understand
if
I
lived
in
their
situation,
I
would
not
want
this
to
be
constructed
and
I
feel
probably
the
same
way
that
they
feel,
but
I
think
you
have
to
account
for
all
the
different
variables
here.
X
After
the
very
first
public
comment
period
back
in
I
guess
it
was
October
after
Mr
strombeck
was
sent
back
to
revisions
immediately
after
the
meeting.
I
chased
him
down
because
I
want
to
talk
to
him
about
how
this
can
be
a
fantastic
project
for
our
community
with
people
that
live
there
now
and
will
live
there
in
the
future.
But
Mr
strombeck
would
not
even
look
at
me.
X
I
said
Steve
Steve
I
want
it.
This
can
be
great,
wouldn't
even
acknowledge
me
and
walked
out
the
room.
Okay,
there's
a
wonderful
project
that
can
house
as
many
or
more
people
than
what
is
proposed
here.
The
the
sorrel
place
has
88
bedrooms.
The
soil
place
would
fit
in
the
courtyard
that
is
more
bedrooms
than
is
currently
in
this
plan.
X
F
Hi,
my
name
is
Joanne
McGarry
and
I
attended
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
in
October,
where
this
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
having
a
long
time
ago
been
a
urban
planning
student
at
UC,
Davis
I,
looked
at
the
plan
and
I
could
not
believe
this
was
2022,
and
that
was
the
design
being
proposed
and
also
when
I
spoke
earlier
today
about
Visionary
and
future
thinking.
People
on
the
dice
you
know
in
the
climate
reality
the
concept
of
building
buildings.
F
I
know
it's
currently
allowed,
but
we've
got
to
be
future
thinking,
and
you
know
using
gas
furnaces
and
gas
water
heaters
and
having
cars
parked
under
apartment
complexes.
I
mean
this
is
very
old-fashioned
and
not
very
inspiring
design,
and
as
the
people
who
spoke
before
talked
we
need
livability.
We
need
people
to
be
able
to
live
and
thrive
in
the
future
housing
in
our
community,
and
this
design
is
in
no
way
shape
or
form
that
and
open
space
and
trees
and
green
and
sunlight
are
such
important
components
for
our
future.
Y
Hey
I
got
a
little
flustered
and
I
I
missed
one
of
the
big
points
that
I
wanted
to
outline
and
also
kind
of
in
rebuttal
to
the
man
who
spoke
about
approving
the
project,
because
there's
nothing
else
on
the
horizon.
Well,
what
a
better
reason
to
make
sure
that
it's
serving
our
community
in
terms
of
types
of
Apartments,
you
know
not
just
studio
apartments,
but
one
bedroom,
two
bedroom
three
bedroom,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
up
housing
element
policy
number
five.
Y
So
the
proposed
development
only
consists
of
one
bedrooms
that
are
416
square
feet
with
no
assurances
or
guarantees
to
has
its
affordability.
So
the
average
price
for
a
current
apartment
of
similar
size
is
one
thousand
two
hundred
twenty
two
dollars
a
month
as
taken
from
the
current
developers
listed
departments
for
similar
sizes,
so
for
any
future
residents.
This
would
if
they
were
to
be
paying
one
third
of
their
income
towards
rent.
This
would
require
an
average
annual
income
of
43
992
dollars
per
year.
Y
So,
according
to
HUD
persons,
paying
up
one
third
of
their
rent
or
more
towards
housing
are
defined
as
housing
burdened,
so
HUD
defines
cost
burden
families
as
those
who
pay
30
or
more
for
their
housing
and
may
have
difficulty
affording
Necessities
such
as
food,
clothing,
transportation
and
Medical
Care
severe
burden
is
defined
as
paying
more
than
50
percent
of
one's
income
on
rent,
so
as
defined
in
the
2019-2027
housing
element.
On
page
two,
the
median
household
income
for
the
city
of
Arcata
was
30
866
dollars
in
2017..
Y
Y
Severe
overpayment
is
defined
as
monthly
housing
costs
in
excess
of
50
of
a
household's
income.
A
moderate
proportion
of
arcata's
residents,
35.77
percent,
are
severely
overpaying
for
housing
costs
among
lower
income,
households,
earning
80
or
less
of
the
area
of
median
income.
49
are
overpaying
and
35
percent
are
severely
overpaying
for
housing
costs.
So
more
housing
is
needed.
Yes,
but
especially
housing.
That's
affordable
to
households
at
lower
income
incomes.
End
quote:
that's
in
the
housing
elements
policy
for
Arcata.
Q
C
AB
Z
C
P
C
C
N
C
AC
All
right
great
give
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members.
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
My
name
is
Mike
Nelson
with
Lake
Associates
here
to
represent
the
project
on
behalf
of
the
applicants,
the
strongbacks,
so
we've
heard
a
great
deal
of
public
comment
this
evening
more
than
I'm
accustomed
to
in
terms
of
the
length
and
breadth
and
detail
that
went
into
the
project.
So
I
am
not
going
to
make
a
whole
nother
whoa.
What
what
happened?
AC
AC
AC
The
project
went
through
an
entire
redesign.
We
understand
there's
a
lot
of
passionate
opinions
about.
Is
this
a
good
design
or
a
bad
design?
Some
of
those
are
subjective,
and,
and
some
of
them
are
really
tied
into
what
your
code
says.
We
have
some
different
interpretations
about
whether
we
meet
the
code
requirements
or
not.
The
project
was
designed
to
meet
the
land
use
code
and
the
general
plan,
both
in
its
letter
and
in
its
intent.
AC
AC
But
I
wanted
to
be
clear
that
this,
this
entire
there's
three
quarters
of
an
acre
of
the
site
here
that
is
down
in
the
riparian
area
that
is
proposed
for
public
access
and
for
a
trail
Improvement
to
provide
connectivity
through
the
project
to
the
adjacent
property.
That's
been
purchased
by
Cal
Poly
Humboldt.
We
also
added
a
fire
emergency
Ingress,
egress
access
point
to
the
adjacent
property
to
Cal
Poly
Humboldt
as
well
to
facilitate.
AC
We
don't
know
exactly
what
they
will
do
there
in
the
future,
but
something
will
occur
so
we
wanted
to
provide
that
connectivity
for
fire
and
grass
egress
as
well
as
the
trail.
You
can't
see
the
trail
that
well
because
it
meanders
under
the
trees
here,
but
that
is
three
quarters
of
an
acre
that
is
included
in
the
project
to
go
to
public
access.
It
is
not
currently
accessible
Now
by
anyone.
It's
got
six
foot
chain
link
fence
around
it.
AC
It
was
part
of
the
housing
needs
for
the
city
at
that
time.
That
site
unfortunately
had
some
limitations.
There
was
a
major
fault
Hazard
there
there
were
some
Wetlands.
There
were
some
other
constraints
to
the
site.
In
order
to
achieve
the
56
units,
it
had
to
be
really
squished
into
that
corner,
but
that
was
part
of
the
actual
agreement
with
the
city
at
that
time.
So
it
does
result
in
some
constrained
sites
and
not
pushed
together.
AC
That
project
did
also
include
a
dedication
of
land
back
to
the
city
for
open
space,
as
well
as
constructing
a
trail
that
connected
into
the
city's
trail
system,
so
I
just
want
to
mention
there's
specific
reasons
why
it
came
out
that
way
and
why
it
looked
that
way
and
and
wanted
to
to
touch
on
that,
one
in
particular
a
little
bit
about
the
design
and
the
construction
approach
to
the
new
buildings.
There's
been
a
lot
about
that.
We
get
it.
People
don't
like
the
design.
AC
It
is
better
than
what
is
there
now
what
you
can
see
there
now,
there's
two-story
stucco
structures
with
flat
roofs.
These
new
buildings
meet
all
of
the
California
energy
code
requirements.
They
are
much
much
better
buildings
by
their
design.
Construction
with
higher
insulation
values
with
solar
panels,
with
numerous
other
benefits
that
the
existing
structures
do
not
have.
AC
Then
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
distance
between
the
units
decks
and
how
far
apart
they
are,
and
we
saw
an
example
of
what
12
feet
looks
like
and
the
height
almost
every
residential
zone.
Property
in
the
city
of
Arcata
has
a
five
foot
setback
on
the
side,
which
means
you
can
have
two
story:
structures
10
feet
away
from
each
other.
AC
Just
one
really
quick
thing
on
the
trash
enclosure
that
the
deck
size
exceptions-
those
are,
we
think,
are
fairly
small
concessions,
clearly
not
the
opinion
of
of
some
of
our
members
of
the
public.
Those
two
things
are
generally
within
the
purview
and
the
authority
of
your
planning
director
to
approve
on
projects
unless
it
is
a
planned
development.
If
it's
a
plan
development
project,
it
has
to
come
forward
to
The
Binding
commission,
those
those
two
things
and
similar
concessions
are
done
routinely
throughout
the
city.
AC
The
other
couple
of
the
other
project
examples
that
were
brought
up
the
Sunset
Terrace
project.
It
was
144
units,
it
has
the
same
deck
reduction
size
just
a
few
blocks
away
from
from
this
project,
and
it
also
is
144
units
of
all
of
the
same
one
bedroom
unit
design,
there's
a
clear
precedent
with
the
city
of
approving
and
supporting
projects
with
similar
requests.
AC
The
there's
a
number
of
questions
that
were
brought
up
about
the
disorder,
the
demographics
and
the
number
of
people
per
unit
I
will
leave
that
to
staff
to
address.
If
that
is
something
you
would
like
to
get
more
detail
on,
but
that's
not
a
proposal
by
the
applicant.
The
applicant
does
not
propose
a
certain
number
of
units
in
in
each
apartment,
whether
it's
one
or
two
or
four-
that's
not
a
part
of
their
proposal
that
was
kind
of
picked
on
in
the
staff
report.
AC
AC
I
want
to
touch
on
the
unit
mix
again
I
mentioned
the
other
nearby
project
that
are
all
the
same
units
that
was
previously
relatively
recently
approved.
But
the
thing
that
may
not
be
obvious
about
the
unit
mix
is
that
all
of
the
existing
units
there,
the
62
units
they
are
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
So
it's
not
looking
at
the
whole
project
in
its
context.
AC
So,
yes,
the
new
units
are
proposed
as
Studios,
but
they
are
part
of
the
existing
project,
which
already
has
a
mix
and
does
not
have
any
Studios,
and
so
in
the
strombeck's
experience
with
the
other
projects
that
they
own
and
operate.
Studio
units
are
in
the
highest
demand
and
they
have
the
least
inventory
of
them.
That's
why
they're
proposing
all
those
units
on
this
project,
so
it
is,
there
is
a
unit
mix
on
this
project
in
its
totality
between
the
existing
60
and
the
new
proposed,
as
well
as
within.
AC
AC
There
are
a
number
of
other
things
that
were
brought
up:
kind
of
about
energy
and
gas
and
Ada
design,
and
those
are
all
things
that
are
either
subject
to
other
regulations:
Ada's
a
federal
standard,
that's
not
something
that
we
sort
of
throw
on
the
table
and
decide
whether
we
like
it
or
agree
with
it
or
not.
You
either
meet
the
standards
or
you
don't.
If
you
don't
meet
the
standards,
you're
not
issued
a
building
permit
or
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
AC
AC
The
project
is
proposing
what
meets
the
current
standards
now
that
the
city
has
adopted
and
also
not
insignificantly
what
they
can
actually
get
done
and
built
with
all
of
the
requirements
with
PG
e,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
a
new
project
built
the
timelines
that
it
takes
to
get
service
through
PG
e
we've
all
seen,
issues
of
PG
e
having
some
infrastructure
issues
in
southern
Humboldt
and
other
areas.
There
can
be
real
practical
limitations
to
when
you
can
actually
get
your
service,
whether
it's
gas
or
electric.
That
is
an
aspect
of
of
this
project.
AC
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
say
sort
of
from
the
beginning,
based
on
the
community
meeting
input
based
on
the
Planning
Commission
comments
and
again
not
everyone
is,
is
necessarily
happy
with
it,
but
we
did
make
real
tangible
changes
and
improvements
to
the
Project
based
on
that
input.
That
were
that,
some
of
which
that
came
at
considerable
considerable
expense
to
the
redesign,
as
well
as
the
actual
construction
costs
and
the
the
strombics
also
have
owned
a
number
of
other
properties
that
do
have
parking
underneath.
AC
AC
So
with
that,
and
looking
at
a
few
other
specific
things
that
were
brought
up,
we
we
proposed
covered
parking,
not
enclosed
parking.
There
may
have
been
some
misunderstanding
about
what
was
proposed,
but
we
proposed
covered.
It
could
easily
be
enclosed,
so
the
parking
is
underneath
the
carports.
We
thought
it
was
more
readily
accessible
for
tenants
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out
and
get
to
it.
There
is.
There
are
some
enclosed
lockers
there
now
that
people
that
put
their
bikes
into,
but
it's
not
size
to
City
standards.
AC
It's
just
a
couple
of
big
sort
of
garages
that
all
the
bikes
get
thrown
into,
though
we
actually
thought
it
would
be
more
convenient
and
better.
This
way
we
would
be
happy
to
close
in
those
carports
that
have
the
bicycle
parking
in
them.
If,
if
that's
something
the
council
would
like
to
see,
another
is
on
the
the
Community
Gardens.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that.
That's
not
something
that
the
storm
bikes
originally
proposed
as
a
part
of
the
project,
but
it
was
something
that
was
requested
by
the
tenants
during
the
community
meeting.
AC
So
we
put
those
in
there
now
there's
some
comments
of
well,
you
didn't
put
them
in
the
right
place
or
they're
going
to
get
too
shaded.
That
was
based
on
a
request
from
the
applicants.
We
would
be
happy
to
either
not
have
them
or
to
potentially
relocate
them
to
the
open
space
or
the
recreation
area.
That
was
noted
here
at
the
front
I
think
there
was
some
discussion
of
whether
that
was
900
square
feet
or
1600
square
feet.
It
is
1600
square
feet.
AC
That
area
could
be
the
community
garden
area
could
be
put
there
and
that
Recreation
Area
could
be
swapped
with
the
community
garden
areas
as
their
as
they're
noted
here.
So
that's,
that's
one
potential
opportunity
there.
If,
if
that
seems
like
a
better
fit
again,
it
was
based
on
requests
from
from
the
community
meeting.
AC
The
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
recreation
area,
and
you
know
it
is
the
city
code
does
not
go
into
great
detail.
It
actually
only
says
you
have
to
have
2
000
square
feet
of
recreation
area
if
for
any
project
over
a
certain
size,
starting
at
30
units.
So
if
you
have
30
units,
you
need
2
000
square
feet.
If
you
have
300
units,
you
need
2
000
square
feet.
Three
thousand
units
is
2
000
square
feet,
not
that
we're
seeing
projects
of
that
magnitude.
But
that's
the
way
your
code
is,
is
written.
AC
We've
proposed
over
8
000,
combined
of
the
recreation
area
and
that
Recreation
Area
does
not
include
the
three
quarters
of
an
acre
down
here
that
will
be
opened
up
for
public
access
and
a
trail
added
and
those
Recreation
areas
are
meant
to
be
to
meet
those
requirements
for
the
specific
project.
It's
not
meant
to
be
a
public
park
and
this
park
is
nearby.
There
will
be
additional
Recreation
Area
here
down
along
the
riparian
area,
so
we
understand
everyone
may
not
agree,
but
we
have.
We
have
exceeded
the
requirements
of
the
way
they're
they're
written.
AC
AC
I
O
So
Stacy
just
to
follow
up
on
that
plans
are
going.
They
have
to
be
submitted
to
the
building
department
and
the
plans
are
gone
over
by
the
building
department.
Any
changes
that
need
to
be
made
or
sent
back
to
the
developer.
They
have
to
make
those
changes
to
make
sure
they
fit
within
the
current
building
standards.
O
AC
Thank
you
and
actually
I'm
glad.
You
asked,
because
there's
one
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
that
one
of
the
things
that
strombeks
are
looking
at
right
now
is
that
a
lot
of
the
existing
units
could
do
with
upgrades
and
with
Ada
upgrades
as
well
so
they're
looking
at
that
in
the
existing
units
is
as
well
to
go
back
and
retrofit
them
for
Ada.
A
O
Z
H
Yeah
I'll
give
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
where
that
terminology
entered
the
discussion
with
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm.
You
know
happy
to
answer
any
more
detailed
questions
you
might
have.
There
was
never
an
implication
or
intention
that
the
project
should
be
viewed
as
affordable
housing
in
the
sense
that
we
use
them.
You
know
sourced
as
HUD
terms
or
you
know,
or
affordable
housing
projects
where
we
use
you
know,
Grant
funds
to
to
support
them.
H
The
comments
that
were
made
in
the
staff
report
about
affordable
housing
tie
backed
a
little
bit
to
the
discussions
that
we've
been
having
in
about
infill
in
general,
where
you
can
have
units
that
are
affordable
by
Design
is
another
sort
of
Catchphrase.
That's
been
used
for
them
units
that
have
you
know
that
are
you
know
where
the
buildings
aren't
very
ornate
and
the
units
are
small
and,
as
a
result,
the
market
rents
that
those
would
fetch
would
be
lower
than
what
you
could.
H
That's
not
to
say
that
the
rents
that
are
going
to
be
requested
for
those
units
meet
affordability
for
any
particular
income
level,
but
that
on
a
square
foot
basis,
they
would
be
cheaper
than
other
design
types.
So
that's
all
that
was
meant
by
that
and
I
think
that
John
Barstow
and
his
reasoning,
not
that
I'm
speaking
for
him,
but
based
on
what
he
said
in
the
in
the
meeting.
Reason
that
you
know
this
is
a
very
plain.
O
C
I
H
No
I
think
the
planning
Commissioners,
you
know
the
Planning
Commission
meeting,
especially
one
as
complex
as
this
is,
is
pretty
fluid.
There
are
you
know,
discussions
or
you
know
in
any
kind
of
situation
like
that,
you
know.
Some
things
are:
are
misunderstood:
they're,
misheard,
planning,
Commissioners,
ask
for
clarification
and
I
believe
that
the
majority
of
them,
if
not
all
of
them,
understood
the
project
in
very
good
detail.
By
the
time
they
made
the
decision
to
adopt
the
findings
that
are
in
your
your
packet
tonight.
H
You
know
that
that
was
my
impression.
I
did
not
pull
the
commit
planning
Commissioners
after
the
fact,
but
I
I
believe
that
you
know
they
asked
for
clarifying
questions.
Some
of
the
comments
that
were
you
know
you
know
cited
in
the
presentation
tonight.
You
know
they.
They
certainly
were
parts
of
the.
You
know
clarifying
questions
that
planning
Commissioners
asked,
or
you
know
that
were
corrected.
You
know
later
in
in
conversation,
so
it
would
be
my
impression
that
they,
they
understood
full
well
the
decisions
that
they
were
making.
H
This
project
is
not
unlike
many
projects
that
the
Planning
Commission
is.
You
know
reviewed
and
considered
before,
and
you
know,
as
we
said
in
the
presentation,
I
think
the
applicant
agent
has.
You
know,
admitted
this
to
some
extent
and
it's
been
commented
on
in
the
public
at
rate
length.
These
are
not
fantastic
design
buildings,
but
that's
not
what
the
code
requires
either.
So
it
does
meet
the
code
so.
O
There
was
one
other
thing
and
the
planning
Commissioners
talked
about
that
they
have
to
give
variances
all
on
the
and
I
think
that
is
the
open
space.
Is
that
what
it
is
the
the
square
footage,
and
that
was
brought
up
that
night
too,
that
they
really
need
to
look
into
that
and
make
a
change.
You
could
read
iterate
on
that.
H
Yeah,
the
the
private
outdoor
Recreation
space
is
set
at
150
right
now,
150
square
feet
per
unit,
and
you
know,
we've
I
think
had
the
appellantic
knowledge
that
that's
too
large
I
don't
think,
there's
ever
been
a
project
that's
been
approved
in
in
the
city
that
has
that
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
number
comes
from,
but
yeah
we
definitely
need
to
amend.
It
certainly
that'll
be
part
of
this
round
of
code
amendments
as
we
go
through
the
major
updates
that
we're
doing
to
our
our
planning
documents.
I.
O
C
Okay,
well,
I
have
a
few
questions
that
I
want
to
ask
and
then
maybe
a
few
points
that
I
want
to
make.
So
this
riparian
area
that's
being
updated
here
and
we
keep
saying
that's
going
to
be
open
space,
but
is
it
going
to
be
developed
in
a
in
a
way
that
would
provide
Recreation
opportunities
for
people
or
is
it
just
going
to
be
a
creek
bed
with
a
bunch
of
trees?
AC
AC
AC
It
goes
under
the
trees
and
would
go
all
the
way
through
to
the
Cal
Poly
property
to
the
West
there's
also
some
English
ivy
and
some
other
invasives
and
other
things
in
there
that
that
would
get
cleaned
up
as
a
part
of
that,
but
because
it
is
sort
of
Natural
riparian
Area,
it's
not
intended
to
become
sort
of
Park
like
with
intensive
development
through
there
it's
more
of
the
the
trail
to
be
able
to
pass
through.
That
is
something
we
would
work
with.
City
staff
on
and
with
Environmental
Services
I
will
say.
AC
H
And
I'd
also
just
point
out
that
on
packet,
page
76
and
77,
the
conditions
of
approval,
B-17,
b-18
and
b-19
referred
to
that
riparian
area.
Where
there's
a
requirement
for
James
Creek,
riparian
enhancement
plan
prepared
by
a
qualified
professional
that
identifies
the
you
know
the
restoration
work
that
would
be
done.
That
would
be
approved
by
Environmental,
Services
director
and
then,
ultimately,
when
that
is
completed,
they're
being
offered
to
dedicate
a
public
access
easement
and
offer
to
dedicate
a
public
drainage
easement
on
those
sites.
C
M
AC
AC
Yeah
and
I
would
I
would
defer
to
my
client
if
you
really
want
to
get
into
the
sort
of
dollars
and
and
sense
of
it,
but
for
them
for
what
they
design
what
they
build,
what
they
manage
what
they
operate.
This
is
what
is
cost
effective
for
them
to
be
able
to
build,
and
that's
based
on
the
Decades
of
experience
they
have
of
building
housing
in
Arcata
going.
You
know
back
back
quite
a
ways,
so
that's
that's
their
perspective,
based
on
their
experience
and
their
construction
costs
and
what
they
operate
and
maintain.
AC
Well,
it's
also
just
you
know
the
long-term
management
and
care,
and
you
know
the
staff
and
the
maintaining
the
three-story
building
requires
different
equipment
and
different
things
than
you
have
to
operate
others.
So
it's
an
overall
Opera,
it's
a
construction
cost
and
an
over
an
overall
operational
approach.
AC
C
A
A
AC
So
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that
and
have
that
as
a
as
an
additional
condition.
Those
covered
bike
parking
spaces
are
underneath
these
two
buildings
here
this
building
here
and
this
building
here,
which
also
houses
the
laundry
so
they're,
basically
under
these
in
in
what
are,
would
would
have
been
carports
and
they
could
be,
they
could
be
easily
closed
in
and
secured.
So
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
C
Where
you
could
put
things
like,
you
know,
I've
seen
other
I,
don't
know
if
they're
strongback,
Properties
or
other
owned
properties
locally
that
have
you
know
like
a
community
space
like
a
picnic
table
and
a
barbecue,
and
you
know
somewhere
where
people
can
enjoy
some
outside
space.
But
especially,
you
know
in
Arcata.
Having
a
covered
outside
space
actually
might
be
be
more
ideal
that
could
butt
up
against
this
community
garden
and
expand.
You
know
outward
to
be
able
to.
A
O
You
know
when
you're
thinking
about
the
Community
Gardens,
you
know
you
have
certain
plants
that
you
really
want
to
grow
in
more
shade
in
your
vegetables,
and
you
have
some
that
you
want
more
with
full
sun
and
so
I
was
thinking
about
that
conversation.
When
raylena
was
pointing
that
out
or
maybe
it
was
Fred
that
they
can
work
well
for
different
kinds
of
plants,
so
I
mean
I.
I,
really
don't
know
how
much
sun
there
will
be
there
or.
AC
O
But
and
I
think
possibly
taking
away
that
larger
area
you
have
in
that
corner,
which
looks
like
it'd
be
easy,
that
one
it
would
be
in
some
ways
would
probably
be
a
shame
to
put
a
community
garden
there
when
you
have
a
that
would
be
my
thought
anyway.
What?
Because
it's
a
larger
area
where
you
could
have
a
picnic
table,
Etc.
AC
Yeah
we're
very
open
on
the
location.
Again
it
was.
It
was
something
that
was
brought
up
during
one
of
the
meetings
and
and
strumic
said
sure,
I'm
probably
happy
to
allow
community
garden
space,
but
none
of
us
are
necessarily
professional
gardeners.
So
when
there
was
the
comment
of
like
hey,
not
enough,
care
was
put
into
this,
like
sure
someone
who
is
really
thinking
about
looking
out
there
every
day
and
going
where
would
I
put
my
plot
they're
going
to
have
a
much
better
idea
than
we
are
where
the
best
place
to
put
it
is.
O
One
of
the
things
that
will
happen
is,
if
you
have
Community
Gardens,
and
they
aren't
you
utilize.
Eventually
they
will
become
something
else,
they'll
be
taken
away
or
taken
out
and
otherwise
they've
become
really
difficult
to
manage
for
the
owner
of
the
property
if
the
tenants
aren't
actually
keeping
those
up
unless
somehow
or
other
the
channel.
You
know,
there's
a
farmer
that
goes
in
there
and
manages
those
and
I
I
can
see
evolution
of
things
changing
over
time.
C
AC
A
AC
I
We
so
I
do
I
have
kind
of
a
open-ended
question,
because
I
I
feel
like
us
starting
to
just
throw
out
like
ideas.
Could
you
change
this,
or
could
you
change
that
I
think
that
that
could
definitely
get
away
from
us?
You,
like
you
know
the
applicant
knows
what
the
concerns
of
the
community
have
been
and
what
the
pushback
has
been
and
is
there
you
knowing
what
their
concerns
are?
AC
Sure
so
yeah
I
mean
I'll,
summarize
a
couple
of
things
and
then
I'll
defer
to
our
client
to
to
see
what
else
may
be
a
possibility
there.
So
I
had
to
enclosed
parking.
So
we
talked
about
that.
So
we
will
definitely
do
that.
We're
happy
to
do
that.
We're
happy
to
put
the
Community
Gardens
of
equivalent
in
whatever
the
best
location
is
determined
for
those.
We
also
can
increase
the
deck
sizes
to
80
square
feet.
So
we've
looked
at
that
pretty
closely
in
the
issue
with
the
decks.
AC
Is
it's
it's
one
as
a
matter
of
proportionality,
because
if
you
take
the
150
square
foot
the
way
it's
written
and
the
reason
it's
been
accepted
every
time
and
not
as
a
an
actual
variance
which
has
its
own
specific
findings
but
as
an
exception,
is
that
because
it's
these
units
at
150
square
feet
would
be
like
30
percent
of
the
floor
area
of
the
unit
would
be
deck.
It's
a
very
high
percentage.
AC
Your
Coastal
land
use
code
requires
an
eight
to
ten
percent,
whether
it's
upstairs
or
downstairs.
What
we
have.
What
we
have
proposed
is
12
of
the
size
of
the
unit
itself,
so
it
actually
exceeds
what
the
standard
is
right
now
in
your
coastal
zone,
and
we
we
can't
do
the
150
square
feet.
It's
not
it's
not
possible.
It's
not
practical
I.
Think
one
of
the
appellants
mentioned
this
you'd
have
to
project
the
these
little
decks
here
would
have
to
project
out
nine
feet
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
150.
AC
AC
Did
yes
so
well?
What
we
would
do
is
we
would
enclose
the
whole
area,
which
is
more
similar
to
the
way
it
is
now.
It's
like
you
said
it's
basically
kind
of
two
garages
with
roll-up
doors.
It's
not
spaced
out
to
what
the
city
code
is
for
bicycle,
spacing
it's
just
Jam
as
many
bikes
in
there
as
you
can,
and
what
we
laid
out
was
the
actual
dimensions
of
what's
required
by
the
by
the
code
to
fit
in
the
number.
AC
AC
It's
either
three
or
four
extra
parking
spaces
in
this
whole
thing
in
the
whole
project,
and
we
wanted
to
have
at
least
some
for
some
guests
or
some
loading
unloading
I
mean
right
now
there
is
one
space
per
unit
and
your
code
allows
you
to
go
below
that,
but
our
clients,
experience
on
a
number
of
projects
in
Arcata,
has
been
having
less
than
one
parking.
Space
per
unit
creates
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
for
them,
including
like
some
of
the
ones
over
by
the
community
center.
O
I
think
it's
actually
a
good
idea,
because
over
I
use
a
really
old
name,
the
colony
in,
but
over
on
Union
Street
you'll
see
how
many
cars
park
in
front
of
the
playground
and
those
I
think
are
all
tenants
for
the
development.
But
there
isn't
enough
parking
on
site
because
they
reduce
them
to
meet
our
codes
and
so
I
think
it's
not
a
bad
thing
to
have
enough
parking
on
site
and
not
reduce
it
and
there's
always
an
interest
for
guest
Park,
and
you
have
someone
come
and
visit
you
or
spend
the
night.
AC
AC
I
If,
if
we
don't
mind
leaving
your
motion
just
on
the
table
for
a
minute,
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
I
took
a
lot
of
notes
and
I
thought
I
would
just
kind
of
read
through
my
thoughts
for,
for
you
guys
to
see.
If
there's
anything
you
know
to
that,
we
wanted
to
talk
about
so.
First
of
all,
you
know
it
was
mentioned
that
it
was
a
really
seemed
to
be
a
very
difficult
decision
for
the
Planning
Commission
and
I
can
absolutely
understand
that
this
is
not
an
easy
decision.
I
A
lot
of
the
decisions
that
are
made
by
Council
or
planning
to
commission
are
difficult,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
there
was
hesitation
that
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
and
pauses
on
their
behalf
as
they
waited
out
it's
difficult.
When
you
have
residents
that
are
not
wanting
the
change
that
the
developer
is,
you
know
what
seems
to
be
illegally
allowed
to
make
that
that's
tough
for
everybody.
I
So
I
appreciate
that
you
know
there
are
lots
of
different
building
models
for
that
developers
and
construction
companies
have-
and
we've
talked
about
some
of
them
this
evening,
and
there
are
a
lot
there's
needs
for
different
styles.
That's
why
people
do
what
works
for
them.
You
know
it
was
mentioned
that
danco
has
a
certain
model
that
they
do,
and
that
was
praised
tonight
in
other
meetings.
That's
not
the
case.
I
You
know
strombeck
seems
to
have
a
model
that
they
know
how
to
do
and
that
they
can
work
with
and
build
and
maintain
in
market
rate.
Housing
in
California
is
extremely
difficult
to
pencil
out,
and
you
know
if
you
are
in
construction
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
or
attend
housing
meetings.
That's
the
topic
of
discussion.
I
That's
why
we
do
need
more
actual.
You
know
true,
affordable
housing
that
we're
not
talking
about
right
now,
but
that's
why
a
lot
of
the
housing
that
we
have
in
our
community
is
Affordable,
because
certain
industry,
certain
you
know,
companies
have
figured
out
how
to
make
that
model.
Work.
Strombeck
has
a
different
model
that
they've
made
work
for
them.
So
again,
I
appreciate
the
differences
in
the
types
of
companies
and
what
their
niches
are
from.
I
I
I
I,
believe
our
planning
Commissioners
are
very
educated
and
seasoned.
It
wasn't
like
there
was
a
whole
group
of
new
Commissioners
up
there
and
they
didn't
know
what
they
were
doing.
They've
made
these
decisions
before
so
I.
You
know
I
tend
to
believe
that
they
knew
what
they
were
doing.
Yes,
it
was
difficult.
I
Could
could
our
code
be
better?
Yes,
I
think
we've
all
agreed
on
that
and
planned
to
make
it
better,
but
this
is
being
based
on
the
code
that
we
have
now
and
that's
Our
obligation
to
consider
what
we
have
now
and
do
we
need
to
make
some
changes.
Yes,
and
then
we
will
hold
those
new
developments
to
those
changes.
I
The
Planning
Commission
did
ask
for
changes.
Changes
were
made.
The
project
was
designed
differently
to
make
it
better.
There's
been
a
couple
things
tonight
brought
up
that
brought
up
that
could
make
it
better.
I
think
the
enclosed
bike
parking
is
I.
Don't
think
that
that
there
should
be
any
problem
with
that,
that's
the
one
I'm
kind
of
I
would
be
comfortable
in
at
you
know,
wanting
to
include
in
this
I,
don't
know
about
like
reducing
three
parking
spaces
or
the
increased
deck
size.
I
I
could
see
where
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
Weeds
on
that
I
could
see
where
there
could
be.
You
know,
increasing
the
deck
size
might
be
a
good
idea,
but
then
that
puts
puts
it
closer
to
the
next
building,
and
that
was
one
of
the
complaints
brought
up
tonight.
Is
the
space
in
between
so
I?
Don't
know
that
we
necessarily
you
know.
Maybe
that
could
be
something
that
we
were.
J
I
I
So
that
is
something
that
we
as
a
community
need
to
do
is
to
figure
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
it,
but
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
pressure
PG
e
to
get
it
together
so
that
we
can
go
forward
with
the
changes
that
we
need
to
make
in
our
community
without
be,
you
know,
being
stuck
in
a
in
a
place
of
not
being
able
to
build
on
just
a
personal
level.
My
heart
goes
out.
I
C
Yeah
and
so
I
am
looking
at
my
my
script
here
and
there's
a
part
that
says
close
with
appellant
with
any
final
thoughts
to
to
respond
to
kind
of
the
response
to
your
response
and
and
so
yeah.
At
this
time,
I
I
saw
you
guys,
raise
your
hands
a
couple
times
just
to
want
to
address
a
couple
points,
and
so,
if
you
know
keep
it
brief,
10
minutes
five
to
ten
minutes
and
just
respond
to
any
of
those
things
that
you
would
like
to
respond
to.
That's
that's
fine.
C
A
A
A
Y
I'm
gonna
go
up
to
the
beginning,
so
I
added
this
in
so
we
could
see
it,
but
this
is
the
original
design
that
the
planners
brought
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
just
in
reference,
we
can
see
the
changes
that
were
made
between
this
design
and
this
design
you
know,
namely
coloring
and
littering
the
design
with
trees,
so
much
so
that
you
know
their
trees
here
are
actually
blocking
like
the
existing
walkways.
So
this
is
a
disingenuous
representation.
Y
Obviously
it's
not
you
know
to
code
or
anything
like
that,
but
we
can
see
between
these
two
designs.
There's
really
not
that
much
of
a
difference
and-
and
so
the
core
issues
that
we're
bringing
is
that
you
know
this
is
Affordable
for
the
developer
sure,
but
at
the
expense
of
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
living
there
and
so
with
an
estimated
two
million
dollars
of
annual
revenue
for
the
develop
developer.
Once
this
is
implemented.
Y
Y
We
really
want
to
stress
that
this
is
this
is
a
chance
to
for
them
to
step
up
in
denying
this
project
they're
going
to
come
to
the
table
with
a
better
design,
letting
them
steamroll
through
with
objectively.
You
know,
unthoughtful
design
and-
and
you
know
again,
I
really
want
to
stress.
We
want
to
see
development
in
this
area,
we're
not
clutching
you
know
our
precious
backyard.
You
know
to
the
nth
degree
that
we
want
to
see
new
neighbors
and
new
people
join
our
community,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
the
people
who
live
there.
Y
So
I-
and
you
know
just
to
speak
to
economics
and
things
like
that,
but
the
number
of
units
that
would
be
required
to
make
overall,
like
Apartments,
affordable,
is
probably
astronomical,
and
this
idea
of
supply
and
demand
I
think
is
you
know
unfounded.
Let
me
get
to
slide
42
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
go
over
housing,
accountability,
act
or
in
the
background
there,
but
let's
see.
Y
Again,
you
know
we're
advocating
for
livability
here,
not
a
rejection
of
any
development,
and
you
know
just
this
has
been
a
long
and
arduous
process
of
giving
our
opinion
in
in
lieu
of
it
not
being
asked
or
sought
out
so
the
community
meeting
that
the
Lego
representative
reference
was
reactionary
to
the
first
Planning
Commission
meeting.
It
was
the
first
time
that
the
proposed
you
know
development
had
even
been
shown
to
the
public,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
was
reactionary.
Y
In
terms
of
you
know,
it
was
the
first
time
we
even
saw
like
what
the
heck
was
going
on,
and
so
you
know
a
a
true
partnership
would
be
really
nice.
It's
not
something
that
we
ask
a
requirement
of,
but
you
know
it's
not
hard.
You
know
just
the
amount
of
ideas
that
were
coming
up.
Like
you
mentioned
Stacy,
you
could
really
get
into
the
weeds,
but
it
just
shows
you
know
how
much
more
thought
could
be
put
into
this
project
and
just
you
know,
low
hanging
fruit,
for
instance.
C
Y
Y
C
R
R
The
right
pairing
restoration
is
great,
no
question
about
it.
I
never
asked
for
150
square
feet
of
open
space.
I
know
it's
not
possible.
I
said
that
in
my
speech,
it's
absolutely
not
possible
I'm,
not
proposing
less
parking.
I.
Think
the
developer
made
a
good
point
in
at
the
Planning
Commission
level
about
having
one
park
space
per
unit.
R
What
I
say
is
there
need
to
just
be
fewer
buildings?
It
needs
to
be
smaller.
It's
it's
102
I
think
it
needs
to
be
70..
The
bike
parking
is
great.
I
appreciate
that
it
should
be
done
for
standard
bicycle
requirements
which
I
don't
have
on
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
have
looked
up
this
pretty
standard
thing
on
that.
How
many
square
feet
is
required?
I
want
to
make
the
point.
This
is
not
about
the
residents
the
existing
residents
of
the
garden
departments.
R
R
There
were
many
changes
between
the
two
I
applaud
the
applicant
for
that,
but
it's
still
not
good
enough.
The
parking
underneath
is
a
design
that
is
part
of
the
past.
Now
the
gardens
can
be
relocated,
that's
great,
but
every
single
space
is
shaded.
Every
single
space,
the
the
yes
councilman
still
mentioned
that
some
plants
like
shade,
but
there's
there's
more
shade
than
that
in
these
places.
Now
the
main
thing
that
I
brought
up
before
oh
he
said
that
the
buildings
these
new
buildings
are
better
than
the
existing
buildings.
R
R
The
two
things
that
I
mentioned
are
that
I'm
nice
to
refer
to
the
the
question
was
asked
directly
about
this:
affordable
housing
situation
and
what
was
said
David
said
it
was
never
the
intention
that
this
computer's,
affordable
housing
I
believe
him.
But
that's
what
is
in
the
staff
report
and
at
the
October
25th
meeting
it
was
this
matter
of
market
rate
being
lower,
affordable,
but
design
was
never
mentioned.
The
the
word
is
Affordable
by
Design,
or
the
concept
was
never
brought
up
at
either
meeting.
R
R
Referring
to
this
project,
we
have
the
question
of
what's
the
guarantee
if
it's
going
to
be
affordable,
referring
to
this
project.
And
lastly,
this
makes
sense
because
it
meets
our
needs
for
affordable
housing.
What
could
possibly
be
more
clear
than
what
the
planning
Commissioners
were
thinking
when
they
were
deliberating.
R
C
C
Thank
you,
strombeck
is,
is
ready
to
make
a
comment
here
back
no,
so
this
is
just
for
the
the
applicant
and
the
appellant.
This
is
not
a
public
comment
period.
We
already
had
public
comment
on
this
item.
We
took
public
comment,
and
so
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
speak
to
run
out
this
discussion
and
then
I
I
think
it
is
time
as
as
we
have
said
over
and
over,
it
is
a
hard
decision
and
you
don't
like
to
make
hard
decisions.
So
you
let
everybody
talk
until
you've
made
up
your
mind.
Thank.
AD
You
very
much
thank
you
very
much
I'm
Steve,
strombeck
and
I'm,
the
owner
of
the
property.
First
of
all,
I
think
we
worked
really
well
with
staff
during
this
project
and
I
think
staff
I
mean
we
didn't
agree
at
times,
but
you
know
it
takes
a
long
time
to
work
on
a
project
like
this,
and
then
we
had
our
first
Planning
Commission
meeting
and,
of
course,
I
was
a
little
disappointed.
It
went
quite
a
long
time.
It
was.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I
thought.
You
know.
AD
Of
course
it
was
going
to
go
through
the
first
time,
but
it
didn't
and
a
lot
of
times
they
don't.
So
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
there
was
I
know.
She
said
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
changes,
but
there's
a
lot
of
changes
on
there.
If
you
take
a
look,
we
we
did
took
all
the
input
we
heard,
both
from
the
audience
and
from
the
Planning
Commission,
and
we
made
those
changes
and
I
thought
we
did
a
good
job.
AD
I
think
staff
agreed,
and
you
know
Mike
Nelson
and
his
staff
agreed
and
we
did
the
best
job.
We
could
and
we
feel
it's
a
really
good
project,
and
you
know
I'm
really
proud
of
all
the
projects
we
do
in
town
and
so
anyway.
I
hope
you
guys
will
seriously
consider
this
and
I
just
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'll
I'll
answer
any
questions
as
well:
okay,.
C
I
O
C
L
C
All
right,
okay,
so
motion
passes
and
thank
you
everybody
for
your
participation
in
this
process.
It's
it's
not
an
easy
process
and
I
know
how
much
effort
went
into
it
by
the
applicants,
the
appellants,
the
community
members
and
our
Planning
Commission
as
well,
and
so
just
you
know,
thank
you
for
all
your
participation
this
evening
and
in
previous
meetings,
and
you
know,
your
commitment
to
our
community
doesn't
go
unnoticed.
C
There,
okay
welcome
back
Kimberly!
Thank
you,
okay.
So,
at
this
point
in
our
meeting
we
moved
to
item
12,
which
is
oral
and
written
Communications.
The
city
appreciates
your
public
input
and
this
time
is
provided
for
people
to
address
the
council
or
submit
written
Communications
on
my
items,
not
on
the
agenda.
You
know
that
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
Council
cannot
discuss
or
take
action
on
items
that
are
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
C
At
the
end
of
all
oral
and
written
Communications,
the
council
May
respond
to
statements
supported
requests
that
require
Council
action
will
be
set
by
the
council
for
a
future
agenda
or
referred
to
staff.
Speakers
addressing
the
council
may
be
limited
to
three
minutes
and
a
time
length
limit
on
overall
length
of
oral
Communications
may
be
imposed.
However,
most
people
are
leaving.
C
F
Speak
hi,
my
name
is
Joanne
McGarry
and
I
really
appreciate
being
able
to
participate
and
view
these
meetings.
I
do
send
you
emails,
and
some
of
you
have
responded.
I
know
I've
change
topics
a
little
bit
in
recent
times
because
of
the
situation
with
the
unhoused
people
and
the
lack
I
see
of
action
on
the
city's
part,
and
it
also
goes
in
conjunction
with
our
earthquake,
preparedness
and
other
emergency
preparedness.
F
So
you
know
we
individually
can
take
care
of
ourselves
and
maybe
the
people
in
our
building
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
I
did
come
to
City
Hall
twice
after
the
earthquake.
Trying
to
figure
out
you
know.
Has
anybody
got
any
information
to
give
me
about
where
to
charge
my
phone
when's
power
coming
back
on
what
happens
if
I
need
to
leave
my
building?
Where
do
I
go?
F
Nancy
Barnes
died
on
December
5th
and
the
autopsy
was
performed
and
I
found
out.
The
results
of
the
autopsy
I
had
to
do
all
this
on
my
own,
because
I
was
really
concerned
because
of
how
cold
it
was
in
other
people.
I
know
who
had
died
in
that
that
cold
weather
and
the
situation
with
the
unhoused
I
have
been
up
to
the
Grove
a
couple
of
times,
which
is
a
wonderful
new
spot.
It's
not
enough.
F
I
wonder
why,
in
my
questions
to
you
in
my
email,
that
the
D
Street
Neighborhood
Center
particularly,
is
not
being
opened
for
emergency
shelter
and
for
warming
centers
and
the
place
around
the
D,
Street
Center
or
any
other
place
that
the
city
has
to
help
the
people
who
are
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
I'm
faced
on
the
streets,
all
the
time
with
unhoused
people
and
I,
don't
know
what
to
do.
I
keep
calling
around
yesterday
I
called
three
different
people
to
find
out
what
could
be
done.
What
is
going
to
be
done?
F
It's
been
a
month
and
I
said
this
earlier.
Why
is
the
city
of
Arcata
and
the
people
in
charge
not
giving
us
answers
as
to
why
or
why
not?
We
cannot
use
City
resources
to
help
people
in
these
times
of
great
need
and
I'm.
Just
really
really
upset.
Nancy
died,
apparently
from
a
heart
attack
type
situation,
but
the
cold
did
not
help
and
I
don't
want
other
people
to
die
and
I
want
just
not
Silence
from
you.
I
do
not
want
Silence
from
you
anymore.
F
It's
really
really
important
to
many
of
us
in
this
community
that
you
speak
up
and
you
lead,
and
you
tell
us
what
we
can
and
can't
do
and
when
we
can
do
it
and
what
needs
to
happen
and
we
will
come
together
and
help
you.
But
this
is
silence
and
this
inaction
is
appalling.
To
me,
it's
appalling
to
me.
R
R
R
The
I
am
afraid
to
predict
that
there
will
be
more
fund
requirements,
but
we'll
see
what
happens
there
during
the
discussion,
some
things
came
up
and
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
the
council
and
for
the
public
to
see
some
material
that
was
brought
up.
What
was
not
present.
This
was
amendment
number
four
I
would
like
to
see
the
previous
three
amendments,
which
are
we've
never
seen,
and
the
public
has
never
seen
the
schedule
of
work
which
I
brought
up
many
times.
There
were
six
or
eight
months.
R
It
was
untenable
from
the
beginning.
It's
obsolete
scheduled
work
with
plan
West.
What
items
are
going
to
occur
on
the
schedule?
We
need
to
know
what
is
really
going
to
happen
and,
what's
been
dropped,
staff
said
they
had
a
timeline.
We
would
like
to
see
that
timeline.
Kimberly,
White
brought
it
up
and
the
budget
was
increased
from
six
hundred
thousand
to
seven
hundred
thousand
I.
Don't
have
a
memory
of
that
I'd
like
to
know
when
that
happened,
the
as
I've
said
in
the
past.
R
R
Lastly,
January
10th,
the
fire
district
is
finally
going
to
give
the
presentation
to
the
Planning
Commission.
There
may
be
some
Solutions
in
store.
I've
been
talking.
I
have
some
ideas,
I'm
not
saying
I
have
the
answers,
but
we're
certain
we're.
Finally,
making
some
progress.
They've
been
requesting
a
meeting
since
August,
and
it's
going
to
happen.
January
10th,
I'm
sure
you'll
be
able
to
view
that
on
YouTube
thanks
very
much.
E
I'm
going
to
continue
with
the
the
noise
element
subject
matter,
I've
done,
basically
everything
I
possibly
could
under
the
law.
As
far
as
going
to
the
police
trying
to
work
with
the
city,
writing
you
guys
letters
you're,
not
in
compliance
I'm,
just
telling
you
that
and
I
also
went
to
plan
West,
because
this
is
also
something
that's
required
for
the
Gateway
and
money
has
been
set
aside
for
this.
E
Basically
Vanessa
told
me,
though,
that
she
has
to
have
direction
from
the
city
as
far
as
going
to
the
point
where
we're
looking
at
six
minute
six
month,
studies
in
different
locations
in
the
city
and
one
that
I
definitely
wanted
was
H
and
16th.
So
I've
had
a
long
conversation
with
her
about
that.
So
this
is
something
that's
it's
not
really
an
option.
I
mean
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
is
this.
E
Is
your
chance
actually
just
to
speak
with
the
city
manager,
because
I
believe
this
is
the
opportunity
that
you
can
actually
address
my
question,
so
my
advice
would
from
your
standpoint
because
you're
at
the
top
of
the
pyramid
here
and
you're
responsible-
and
you
also
swore
an
oath
to
uphold
the
laws
of
the
State
of
California
and
all
of
these
elements
are
very
important
and
it's
also
part
of
your
general
plan.
So
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
really
even
understand
all
the
elements,
but
this
is
one
of
the
important
ones.
E
I
mean
there's
others
too
I've
heard
complaints
about
pollution,
I
mean
you
have
you
have
kids
that
are
affected
by
asthma?
I
mean
that's
I
mean
this
isn't
just
like
making
this
stuff
up.
This
is
I
actually
gave
you
documentation
of
studies
for
in
the
U.S
and
in
Europe
of
how
noise
affects
children,
adults,
how
it
affects
their
sleeping,
and
you
have
no
idea
what
the
compliance
is
all
over
the
city,
because
no
one's
ever
even
done
a
test.
E
That
actually
said
our
goal
is
to
have
a
peaceful,
quiet,
neighborhoods
and
you
spend
money
and
put
these
signs
in
so
I
find
it
very
ironic
that
soon
after
that,
you
know,
I
started
addressing
everybody
in
the
city
and
I'm
not
getting
anywhere.
So,
unfortunately,
if
I
don't
see
any
movement,
then
I
have
to
go
to
the
next
level,
which
I
rather
just
work
with
you.
But
if
that's
not
the
case,
then
I'll
have
to
go
in
that
direction.
E
X
Additionally,
as
Joanne
brought
up
often
in
times
of
crisis,
public
spaces
are
used
to
shelter
people.
Yesterday,
I
literally
gave
somebody
on
the
streets,
construction
bags
and
a
tarp,
because
I
knew
this
storm
was
going
to
be
terrible
and
I
was
concerned
for
the
few
blowings
that
they
had
getting
completely
saturated.
X
We
are
in
an
absolute
emergency
for
the
people
that
are
living
on
the
streets
that
need
shelter
and
access
to
sanitation.
If
there
is
anywhere
that
the
city
owns
that
people
can
stay,
get
a
shower
have
their
laundry
done.
We
need
to
do
that
right
now.
People
should
be
right
here,
literally
right
here,
instead
of
sleeping
outside
tonight.
P
C
P
I
will
share
that
working
with
our
Canada
house
partnership.
They
have
opened
an
emergency
weather,
shelter
they
have
opened
tonight.
This
was
as
a
result
of
opening
the
Grove.
We
knew
that
their
big
push
was
to
get
everybody
into
into
the
Grove
at
permanent
residence.
They
do
have
what
we'll
call
kind
of
the
old
pool
room,
and
so
they
have
opened
that
up,
they're
operating
it
similar
to
how
they
operated
extreme
weather,
shelters,
pre-covered
pre-pandemic,
so
people
do
report
to
the
annex.
P
They
do
get
fed,
they
do
get
sanitation,
they
do
get
showers
and
then
they
do
get
bust
shuttled
out
to
the
Grove
for
for
the
night,
so
my
understanding
is
based
on
whether
they
will
for
sure
be
open
tonight
and
tomorrow.
So
if
there
are
people
in
the
community
looking
for
that,
they
should
head
to
the
annex
tomorrow.
L
O
They
are
a
major
provider
and
I
I
think
that
we
I
don't
know
if,
if
we
can
do
this
is
the
city,
but
I
would
love
to
see
if
we
could
get
them
more
PR
about
what
they
do.
A
lot
of
people
when
I
mention
them.
They
don't
know
anything
about
Arcata
house
and
they
do
know
who
Betty
Chen
is
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
have
any.
You
know
our
social
media
he's
sitting
right
here.
If
there's
any
way
that
we
could
ask
him
to
possibly
work
with
Arcata
house.
O
Do
some
stories
get
them
in
the
paper
Etc
so
that
we
could
show
all
the
things
that
we've
been
doing
in
Arcata
since
gosh
I?
Don't
know
the
late
80s
and
the
90s
of
all
the
housing,
the
different
things
we've
funded
through
proposals
that
have
come
to
us
and
we've
been
able
to
come
up
with
the
funding
to
do
that
and
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
because
we
do
have
people
in
our
community
think
we
have
nothing
going
on
in
Arcata
and
they're
very
critical
And.
O
Yet
when
we
start
talking
about
that
or
thought
it
was
really
interesting
at
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
I
somebody
I,
don't
know
for
I,
don't
think
it
was
a
planning.
Commissioner,
oh
and
maybe
it
was
Judith
mayor,
she
said
I
just
don't
understand
why
there
isn't
any
kind
of
housing
for
low-income
people
on
Arcata
and
David
just
started
to
talk
about
all
the
projects
that
we
have
in
all
the
places,
and
that
was
really
educational,
I
thought
for
everybody,
and
you
know
I
forgot
some
of
them
because
there
are
so
many
but
I
I.
O
It's
not
I
can't
say
anything:
it's
would
be
Karen
being
able
to
assign
him
something,
but
I
think
it
would
either
be
valuable
for
us
and
all
the
negativity
or
the
people
that
are
unhappy
and
I
always
think
about
Nancy
I
think
she
stayed
here.
She
was
not.
You
know,
you've
come
she's
sitting
outside
she's
screaming
yelling
she's
cursing,
and
we
know
that
if
you
don't
have
good
behavior,
if
the
shelters
don't
have
to
keep
you
and
they
take,
it
puts
you
out
but
Arcata.
We
did
nothing,
she
stayed
there.
O
She
did
that
she
slept
in
the
day.
You
know
she
got
really
good
treatment
and
people
are
criticizing
us
for
not
giving
her
shelter
but
I
think
Al-Qaeda
did
because
she
would
never
have
made
it
in
a
shelter
because
of
her
behavior
I
know.
No
one
ever
wants
to
think.
If
you
have
bad
behavior,
you
could
get
taken
away
or
taken
out,
but
that's
true
Betty
Chen.
Does
it
too.
M
You
I
had
to
turn
my
video
off
because
I
have
unstable
internet
I
just
wanted
to
also
give
a
shout
out
to
Arcade
house
partnership
for
opening
up
the
Grove
in
Valley
West,
Forest,
extreme
weather
warming
Center
as
I
left
from
the
meeting,
because
I
had
to
recuse
myself
from
the
earlier
agenda
items.
I
was
able
to
cruise
around
the
plaza
and
Valley
West
and
Valley
East,
and
let
a
lot
of
unhoused
folks
know
that
they
could
go
there
for
the
evening.
M
So
I'm
excited
that
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
I
also
wanted
to
also
second
Alex
on
the
bilingual
Spanish
translation
as
a
goal
and
speaking
of
access.
This
might
be
overly
ambitious,
but
maybe
down
the
road.
We
could
consider
some
on-site
child
care,
so
parents
can
attend
our
City
Council
meetings
and
I
know
that
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
from
the
older
adult
community.
They
would
love
to
be
here
in
person,
but
they
don't
right
at
night.
M
Carpooling
I
know
we
have
a
little
shuttle
bus
that
we've
used
before
to
get
folks
to
the
playhouse
arts
and
then
also
students
who
don't
have
vehicles.
It's
dark,
it's
wet,
it's
rainy,
it's
not
necessarily
safe
to
ride
their
bikes,
and
that
was
all
I
wanted
to
put
forward
tonight.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
We.
C
No
I
think
it
stops
at
10
right.
Doesn't
it
yeah
yep,
so
you'd
have
to
leave
early.
The
only
small
update,
I'll,
remind
people
of
there
is
a
chamber
of
commerce
mixer
tomorrow
night
and
it
is
at
the
chamber
at
their
building
next
to
Tony's
near
Valley,
West,
there
hinden
Road,
sorry,
what's
it
called
it's
next
to
Tony's,
okay,
come
on
and
I
believe
it
starts
at
5
30.