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From YouTube: Form Based Code Session Streetscape, Parking, & Open Space Standards February 23, 2023
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Form Based Code Session Streetscape, Parking, & Open Space Standards February 23, 2023
A
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
that
recording
feel
free
to
keep
your
videos
on
or
off,
as
you
feel
most
comfortable,
but
you
know
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
I'm
happy
to
have
everyone
here
today
really
appreciate
that
you're
taking
the
time
out
of
your
busy
days
to
come
and
share
your
thoughts
with
us.
A
I
know
that
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
we're
asking
a
lot
of
all
of
you
to
to
come
and
participate
in
these
events
and
tell
us
what
you
think,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
very
exciting
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
some
Community
design
work
to
tell
the
decision
makers.
A
Since
this
Inception
we've
got
a
great
team,
both
City
staff,
as
well
as
a
Consulting
team
that
is
helping
us
put
this
work
together,
then
Noble
who's,
a
partner
on
that
Consulting
team
will
be
taking
the
lead
on
the
presentations
today
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him.
In
just
a
minute.
A
He
will
go
into
a
lot
more
detail
about
the
the
types
of
materials
that
we'll
be
covering
the
types
of
Concepts
that
we'll
be
covering
tonight,
so
I
will
just
Breeze
over
them
and
point
out
that
tonight's
meeting
is
an
opportunity
to
tell
us
what
you
think
about
some
concepts
for
of
the
streetscape
should
look
like
you
know
the
public
area
outside
of
buildings,
what
the
mobility
patterns
with
the
design
of
streets
and
parking
should
look
like
we're,
also
going
to
be
looking
at
publicly
accessible
private,
open
space,
which
is
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
code,
and
so
those
are
the
the
general
topics
that
we'll
be
covering
tonight
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
focusing
our
discussion
on
those
topics.
A
I
did
just
want
to
mention
so
that
we
can
stay
focused
on
the
design
elements
of
these
things
that
we've
heard
from
several
in
the
community,
their
concerns
and
and
Concepts
about
how
K
and
L
Street
should
be
treated.
We
we
recognize
those
comments
and
the
the
Planning
Commission
the
city
council
are
taking
those
comments
into
consideration,
but
our
Focus
tonight
is
not
on
whether
you
know
any
particular
streak
should
be.
You
know
designated
for
any
particular
purpose
or
whether
these
designs
that
we'll
be
looking
at
should
be
attributed
to
any
particular
street.
A
Instead,
we're
really
just
trying
to
get
a
sense,
for
you
know
your
Reflections
on
the
Design
Concepts
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward.
So
if
you,
if
you
do
want
to
comment
on
that,
obviously
you
know
we
will.
We
will
hear
those
comments,
but
we'll
also
ask
that
we
put
those
comments.
A
B
D
C
Right:
okay,
thank
you
David
for
that
introduction.
Again,
my
name
is
Ben
Noble
I'm
part
of
the
consultant
team
working
on
the
Gateway
area
plan
and
the
Gateway
code
I'm
happy
to
be
here
tonight
for
the
second
virtual
workshop
on
the
Gateway
code,
which
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
streetscape
design,
mobility
and
parking
and
open
space.
C
So
if
you
were
at
the
first
virtual
Workshop,
this
is
similar
format,
but
not
100
identical
we're
going
to
begin
with
an
overview
of
the
workshop
and
where
we
are
in
the
Gateway
code
development
process
and
then
we're
going
to
focus
on
three
topics.
The
three
topics
I
mentioned
before
and
what
we're
going
to
do
is
for
each
of
those
topics:
I'm
going
to
give
about
a
five
to
ten
minute
presentation,
we're
going
to
then
break
up
into
breakout
rooms
for
some
discussion
of
that
material.
C
Do
that
for
about
20
minutes
for
the
first
topic,
which
is
streetscape
design
and
then
come
back
with
the
full
group
for
Mobility
I'll,
give
a
presentation
on
that
and
then
we'll
divide
again
into
breakout
rooms
and
then
for
the
last
topic,
privately
open
space
privately
owned.
Publicly
accessible
open
space
will
come
back
together
again
as
a
group
and
then
break
out
again
so
there'll
be
three
separate,
breakout
room
discussion
sessions
and
then
we'll
conclude
with
a
wrap
up
and
so
we'll
be
finished
no
later
than
eight
o'clock
tonight.
C
Okay,
and
so
this
virtual
Workshop
tonight
is
part
of
a
larger
Gateway
code
development
process
where
we're
having
a
series
of
meetings
on
development
code
topics.
So
the
first
meeting
series
we
finished
now
and
that
was
on
primarily
on
building
design,
and
so
we
had
a
virtual
Workshop,
followed
by
an
online
survey
and
then
a
Planning
Commission
work
session,
we're
now
following
the
same
process
for
the
second
set
of
topics
which
is
streetscape
mobility,
parking
and
open
space.
C
C
C
It's
going
to
include
standards
for
streetscape
and
public
open
spaces
for
the
public.
Realm
there'll
be
a
section
on
the
community
benefits
program
which
allows
increased
height
for
projects
that
provide
amenities
that
that
benefit
the
public
and
then
also
permit
requirements,
including
rules
for
projects
that
may
be
allowed
through
a
streamlined
ministerial
process.
C
Streetscape
is
the
term
that
we
use
to
talk
about
the
design
of
roadways,
sidewalks
and
building
frontages
that
are
facing
the
street,
really
the
the
public
realm
that's
defined
by
the
area
outside
of
buildings,
and
the
draft
Gateway
plan
includes
a
number
of
policies
specifically
related
to
this
subject.
C
The
plan
calls
for
creating
high
quality
streetscapes
that
are
visually
interesting
and
provide
safe
and
comfortable
places
for
people
to
walk
and
gather
and
to
provide
for
a
streetscape
design
that
visually
unites
the
Gateway
area
and
promotes
a
cohesive
sense
of
place,
and
so
the
Gateway
code
will
be
implementing
that
larger
vision
and
at
tonight's
Workshop
we're
focusing
on
the
design
of
The
Pedestrian
realm
in
the
streetscape.
C
So,
as
David
mentioned,
we're
not
focusing
on
roadway
configurations
and
travel
Lanes
within
the
space
between
curbs,
we're
really
focused
on
The
Pedestrian
realm
between
the
curb
and
the
building.
And
so
this
graphic
illustrates
that
and
when
we
talk
about
The
Pedestrian
realm,
we
think
about
three
different
zones
within
that
space
so
closest
to
the
curve.
C
There's
the
landscape
amenity
Zone,
which
includes
things
like
Street
trees,
lighting
bike,
racks
benches
things
like
that
landscaping
and
amenities,
and
then
there's
the
sidewalk
where
The
Pedestrian,
clear
Zone,
which
is
the
space
where
people
are
walking
along
the
street
deep
within
the
pedestrian
realm
and
then
there's
the
front
edge
setback,
Zone
and
adjacent
to
an
active
commercial
use
like
this.
A
storefront.
C
This
Zone
might
be
used
for
outdoor
dining,
Cafe
seating-
maybe
some
planters,
maybe
some
benches
things
like
that,
and
so
we're
thinking
about
the
design
and
the
configuration
of
these
three
different
zones
which,
within
the
pedestrian
realm,
which
is
really
what
we're
focusing
on
tonight.
C
Okay,
so
during
tonight's
Workshop,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
some
dimensions
of
The
Pedestrian
realm
and
just
as
a
point
of
reference
here
are
a
few
images
of
sidewalks
in
Arcata
today.
So
here
is
eight
Street
fronting
the
plaza,
and
that
has
about
a
four
foot:
sidewalk
pedestrian,
clear
and
then
a
three
foot
area
that
can
accommodate
Landscaping,
Street
trees,
benches
and
other
similar
amenities.
C
Here's
another
image
showing
the
frontage
of
the
plaza
Point
Apartments,
and
for
most
of
that
Frontage
there's
about
a
four
foot,
sidewalk
pedestrian,
clear.
It
varies
a
little
bit,
but
then
about
three
feet:
four
Street
trees,
bike
racks
and
other
similar
Street
furniture
at
the
intersection.
There's
a
bulb
out
that
that
increases
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
to
about
seven
feet,
with
a
space
for
benches
landscaping
and
other
Street
Furniture
of
about
five
feet.
C
So
I'm
showing
this
to
give
you
a
reference
point
for
our
discussion
later
and
so
where
we
are
with
streetscape
standards
for
the
Gateway
code.
Is
we
have
an
approach
that
we're
planning
to
take
that
we
want
to
share
with
you
tonight
before
we
embark
on
more
specific
design
work
to
develop
more
detailed
standards
that
we
plan
to
share
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
with
you
and
the
general
public
in
advance
of
the
planning
commission's
work
session.
C
So
our
recommended
approach
is
really
to
plan
for
a
generous
pedestrian
realm
with
wide
sidewalks
in
the
area
in
the
areas
of
the
Gateway
area
plan
where
we're
anticipating
the
highest
amount
of
pedestrian
activity
and
we're
also
visioning
that,
through
the
community
benefits
program
and
the
Baseline
development
standards,
that
allowing
development
to
build
up
a
little
bit
higher
than
what's
currently
allowed
will
permit
the
use
of
private
property
to
create
a
high
quality
public
Realm.
C
C
So
also
as
part
of
this
approach,
we're
anticipating
that
the
Gateway
code
will
Define
Street
types
or
Street
typologies,
and
each
of
these
Stripes
Street
types
will
have
unique
streetscape
standards
and
the
code
will
assign
a
specific
Street
type
to
all
existing
and
planned
new
streets.
So
this
is
what
we're
envisioning
with
the
streetscape
standards
within
the
Gateway
code,
and
we
wanted
to
share
two
examples
of
what
this
might
look
like
with
you.
C
To
help
illustrate
it
and
and
get
some
feedback
from
you
on
this
concept,
so
we
have
one
street
type
that
we're
sharing
with
you
tonight
that
we're
calling
the
Town
Center
Street,
and
this
would
be
a
street
type
intended
for
the
highest
activity
areas
within
the
Gateway
area
plan
places
like
8th
and
9th
Street,
really
the
core
of
the
area.
There's
another
Street
type
that
we
put
together.
That's
intended
for
less
active
areas,
places
such
as
11th
and
12th
Street
more
around
the
periphery
of
the
Gateway
plan
area.
C
Okay,
so
here
is
a
graphic
that
is
illustrating
the
Town
Center
Street
on
the
left
is
a
section
diagram
and
on
the
right
is
a
plan
view
diagram
and
for
those
of
you
less
familiar
with
Section
diagrams.
What
this
is
essentially
is
taking
a
slice
perpendicular
through
the
street
and
the
sidewalk
in
the
building
of
what
it
may
look
like
the
plan
view.
Diagram
is
looking
straight
down
from
above,
and
so,
if
we
look
at
the
section
diagram
in
the
left,
you
can
see
The
Pedestrian
Zone
with
the
dimensions
there.
C
That's
the
space
between
the
curb
and
the
building
and
what
that's
showing
is
a
five
foot:
landscape
amenity
zone
for
Street
trees,
Landscaping
benches
street
lights,
things
like
the
bike
racks
things
like
that,
and
then
next
to
that
is
a
10
foot,
sidewalk
and
then
next
to
that
is
a
five
foot.
Frontage
Zone
next
to
an
active,
Frontage
storefront.
So
we're
thinking,
there's
a
term
of
art
that
we're
using
here
active
Frontage
types
and
really
what
that
means
is
the
Ground
full
floor
of
buildings
that
is
designed
for
a
lot
of
pedestrian
activity.
C
Things
like
commercial
store
fronts,
lobbies
and
other
building
Furnitures
that
are
typical
for
high
traffic
areas
that
that's
what
that
means.
And
then,
if
you
look
at
the
right,
that's
the
plan
view
looking
down
from
up
above
it's
the
same
dimensions
as
the
section
diagram
just
from
a
different
point
of
view,
and
you
can
see
there
for
The
Pedestrian
realm.
C
The
dimensions
are
shown
five
feet
for
the
Landscaping
amenity
zone,
for
Street
trees
and
bike
racks,
and
things
like
that
10
feet
for
a
sidewalk
and
then
five
feet
for
a
frontage
Zone
in
front
of
that.
Storefront
for
outdoor
dining,
maybe
benches-
maybe
some
landscapes,
so
these
are
dimensions
that
are
intended
for
the
highest
pedestrian
activity
areas
within
the
Gateway
plan
area.
C
And
if
you
look
at
the
the
section
on
the
left,
you
can
see
there's
some
color
there
and
there's
also
a
property
line.
That's
shown
as
well,
and
what
we're
envisioning
here
is
that,
in
order
to
maintain
the
existing
40-foot
curb
to
curb
roadway
with
that,
the
sidewalk
would
need
to
be
located
within
private
property,
with
a
street
easement
to
provide
for
Public
Access
through
that
property
and
then
that
there
would
also
be
that
five
foot
front
edge
Zone.
And
so
this
is
an
important
concept
that
we
wanted
to
highlight
at
tonight's
meeting.
C
Just
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
in
order
to
utilize
the
roadway
for
multimodal
transportation
for
cars
and
for
bikes
and
for
Transit,
as
well
as
for
on-street
parking
as
well
as
to
provide
this
very
generous
pedestrian,
Realm
Within,
These,
High
activity
areas,
it's
going
to
necessitate
utilizing
in
places
some
of
private
property
for
the
new
sidewalk,
easement
and
so
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
talk
more
about
this
and
get
some
of
your
questions
answered
during
the
breakout
room
session.
C
Okay,
so
you
may
be
asking
well
what
does
this
look
like
in
real
life
terms?
Here's
an
example.
Some
of
you
may
have
been
here.
This
is
Pacific
Avenue
in
Santa
Cruz.
They
did
a
comprehensive
reconfiguration
of
their
streetscape
after
the
Loma
Prieta
earthquake
and
it
varies
from
block
to
block,
but
here's
an
example
of
a
block
where
you
have
about
a
20-foot
distance
from
the
curb
to
the
building
wall,
which
is
about
the
distance
that
we're
thinking
for
the
most
pedestrian
active
areas
within
the
Gateway
plan.
C
What
kind
of
distance
that
we
would
hope
to
achieve
where
we
can
and
as
part
of
our
further
design
work
as
we
work
on
this
sort
of
after
we've
received
comments
tonight
and
through
the
online
survey?
We're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
on
a
block
by
block
basis
in
specific
Parcels
as
well,
in
order
to
understand
really
the
locations
where
this
would
be
most
appropriate
and
where
it's
feasible,
giving
unique
site
constraints
in
existing
conditions.
C
So
another
part
of
this
concept
is
that
for
non-active,
Street,
frontages,
non-active,
Frontage,
building
types
such
as
Stoops
and
porches
that
are
accessing
residential
units,
the
frontage
zone
or
the
setback
would
be
a
little
bit
more
than
for
the
active
Frontage
types
to
provide
for
more
privacy
for
those
ground
floor
residential
office
uses
and
provide
for
more
of
a
transition
from
the
public
realm
and
the
sidewalk
to
the
private
property.
So
different
front.
Zone
standards
for
non-active
frontages
compared
to
active
frontages
is
a
part
of
the
concept
as
well.
C
Okay,
and
so
I
was
just
talking
about
pedestrian
realm
Dimension
standards
for
what
we're
calling
a
town,
Center
Frontage,
we're
also
envisioning
other
Street
types
that
might
be
for
areas
where
we're
expecting
less
pedestrian
activity.
In
those
cases,
the
dimensions
may
be
a
little
bit
more
constrained
with
narrow
sidewalks,
maybe
a
narrow,
narrower
landscape
amenity
Zone
as
well.
Here's
an
example
of
what
we're
calling
a
neighborhood
street.
C
So
that's
part
of
the
concept
as
well,
so
that's
an
overview
of
our
recommended
approach
for
discrete
streetscape
design
and,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
we're
at
a
point
where
we
wanted
to
share
some
of
these
concepts
with
you
at
this
virtual
Workshop
before
we
proceed
it
with
some
more
detailed
design
work
to
take
to
the
Planning
Commission
we're
asking
for
some
of
your
feedback
and
reactions
tonight
as
part
of
this
virtual
Workshop,
there
will
also
be
an
online
survey
where
you
can
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
look
at
some
of
these
materials
and
provide
additional
comments.
C
But
what
we're
looking
for
tonight
are
reactions
to
questions
such
as
these.
What's
your
general
reaction
to
the
material,
the
ideas
that
I
just
presented,
do
you
have
any
comments
about
the
specific
standards
of
any
of
these
of
these
two
street
typologies
that
I
shared?
You
know,
for
example,
for
the
Town
Center
treat
the
10
foot
sidewalk
the
five
foot
amenity
Zone.
Do
you
have
any
specific
reactions
to
that?
C
Any
reactions
to
the
idea
of
varied
Frontage
zones
or
setbacks
for
active
versus
non-active
use,
as
well
as
anything
else
that
you
might
want
to
share
related
to
the
streetscape
design,
particularly
of
The
Pedestrian
realm.
So,
as
I
said
previously,
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
provide
comments
in
your
breakout
rooms,
and
so
that's
what
we'll
do
now
you're
going
to
be
randomly
assigned
to
a
room
in
the
room?
There'll
be
a
facilitator.
C
Who
will
share
materials,
will
manage
discussion
and
we'll
be
there
to
answer
questions
and
we'll
have
about
20
minutes
for
that
discussion.
A
Someone
had
to
try
and
speak
while
they
were
muted,
I,
guess
that
was
going
to
be
me.
Welcome
All
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
PowerPoint
here
and
we'll
kick
off
a
hopefully
Lively
discussion
about
this
material.
A
You
know
if
it
starts
to
get
to
the
point
where
we're
talking
over
one
another,
and
you
know
having
a
hard
time.
You
know
getting.
You
know,
sharing
the
space.
Then
then,
maybe
we'll
move
over
to
you
know,
raising
hands
or
or
some
way
indicating
that
you
wish
to
speak
and
we'll
put
people
in
line
that
way.
A
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
feel
comfortable
to
go
ahead,
and
you
know
turn
your
video
on.
This
segment
is
intended
to
be
a
little
more
interactive
and
and
if
we
can
see
one
another
that'll
go
a
long
ways
towards
you
know,
helping
us
to
communicate
more
effectively
together
again,
my
name
is
David
Loya
I'm,
the
director
of
Community
Development
and
looks
like
we're
all
indicated
by
by
name
so
I
think
we're
gonna
kind
of
skip,
skip
the
formal
introduction.
A
So
we
can
save
more
time
for
discussion
if
that's
okay
with
everyone
here,
okay,
great
so
Ben,
just
presented
the
material
I
have
the
same
material.
If
we
want
to
go
into
detail
on
specific
images
that
he
shared,
and
so
the
idea
is
really
just
to
get
a
general
sense
for
your
reactions
to
these
materials-
and
we
can
you
know
kind
of
ping
pong
around-
we
don't
have
to
go
in
in
the
order
that
they
were
presented.
E
D
Question
yeah:
did
you
have
yeah
please
and
we
own
four
studio
apartments
on
464,
8th
Street
in
the
alley
behind
art,
arcade
used
tires
and
I
was
just
curious.
Looking
at
this,
what
changes
were
going
to
be
made,
but
it
looks
like
most
of
the
Street
State
design
standards
are
for
new
construction.
Is
that
a
is
that
about
right?
D
A
That's
a
very
accurate
statement
and
the
streetscapes
for
for
internal
neighborhoods
that
aren't
anticipated
to
have
high
traffic
will
probably
look
a
lot
like
your
your
existing
Street
does
now.
A
If
there
was
significant
Redevelopment
on
your
street,
we
would
probably
try
and
get
a
little
bit
more
close
to
the
the
standard
that
we
have.
One.
D
More
questioning
question
one
more
question:
have
you
already
or
are
you
going
to
address
the
street
changes
that
are?
Is
there
going
to
be
some
one-way
changes
in
this
plan,
or
is
that
just
something
different.
A
Yeah,
so
we're
not
really
going
into
that
in
detail
tonight,
but
the
plan
does
have
a
proposal
for
making
eight
the
ninth
one
way,
a
one-way
Loop
and
then
currently
there's
a
proposal
to
have
K
and
L
Street
each
become
one-way
couplet
so
that
you'd
be
able
to
go
Northbound
on
K,
Street
and
Southbound
on
L
Street,
the
8th,
The
Ninth
Street
is
a
you
know,
change
that
we
can
make
in
the
relative
near
future.
We
have
complete
control
over
all
of
the
rights
of
way
associated
with
that.
A
In
addition,
you
know
that
is
just
what's
in
the
current
draft
proposal.
There
are
several
people
in
the
community
who
have
said
that
they
they
don't
like
that
concept.
That
they'd
rather
see
something
else
happen.
So
the
council
is
really
going
to
have
to
balance
the
priorities
when
it
comes
to.
A
A
Yeah
any
any
thoughts,
General
reactions
to
the
street
State
Design
approach.
Let
me
see
if
we
can
kind
of
walk
through,
and
this
might
stimulate
some
thinking.
You
know
in
general.
All
of
them
are
designed
with
this
overall
approach,
where
there's
an
amenity,
Zone
a
sidewalk,
that's
going
to
be
free
and
clear
to
make
sure
that
there's
access
right
now
many
of
the
sidewalks
in
Arcata.
You
have
to
walk
around.
A
You
know
power,
poles
or
you
know
other
things
that
are
embedded
in
the
in
the
sidewalk,
so
we'd
be
talking
about
a
clear
path,
sidewalk
and
then
some
kind
of
Frontage
setback,
that's
used
for
different
purposes
depending
on
the
street
type.
Is
it's
in
a
heavy
traffic
area
where
you
expect
to
see
a
lot
of
pedestrian
foot
traffic,
then
that
Frontage
setback
would
be
used
for
you
know,
for
business
purposes
little
you
know
dining
or
you
know
Landscaping
things
like
that.
A
If
it
was
more
designed
for
a
neighborhood
look,
then
that
would
be
used
for
you
know
for
something
that
was
more
on
the
private
side:
Landscaping
a
front
yard
of
sorts,
James,
Jim
I
think
you
wanted
to
speak
earlier
and
you
got
distracted
by
the
phone.
Did
you
want
to
jump
in
and
talk
about
your.
E
General
and
honestly,
it's
just
I
had
nothing
but
positive
things
to
say:
I
think
the
idea
of
allowing
more
space
will
and
it
sounds
like
it's
working
into
the
new
construction,
so
it
it
affords
that
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
It
just
in
general.
I
would
just
say
you
know
allowing
room
for
possibly
the
businesses
and
you
know,
and
and
with
you
know,
tables
access
to
restaurants
or
whatever
it
might
be,
and
enough
space
to
get
by.
It
looks
great.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
great
question
for
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
the
conversation,
the
way
that
the
code
is
being
structured
or
the
way
it's
envisioned
to
be
structured
at
this
point,
I
should
say
is
that
there
are
going
to
be
some
code
standards
that
are
required,
that
buildings
must
conform
to,
and
if
they
don't,
then
they
would
have
to
go
through
a
more
lengthy
planning
process
to
try-
and
you
know,
ask
for
exceptions
to
those
codes
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
there
is
a
group
of
Community
benefits
that
are
optional.
A
You
know,
and
projects
depending
on
how
dense
they
are,
would
have
to
select
from
amongst
these
optional
categories.
They
will
all
give
something,
but
but
they're
they're
optional,
what
they
give
and
so
Sherry
your
question
was,
is
what
we're
discussing
tonight
with
streetscape?
Is
that
optional
or
not?
The
answer
is
you
know
these
will
be?
A
I
Thanks
I'm
curious
to
know,
I
mean
both
the
residential
and
the
commercial
setbacks.
Look
really
good
I'm
curious
to
know
within
like
a
potential
larger
development,
for
instance.
Are
there
stipulations
around
how
the
if
there's
multiple
buildings
in
a
residential
development,
for
example?
Are
there
stipulations
for
those
kinds
of
setbacks,
so
sort
of
an
in-between
from
private
use
and
public
use?
Since
it,
you
know
we're?
You
know,
for
instance,
apartment
buildings.
F
A
Let
me,
let
me
see
if
I
make
sure
I'm
understanding
the
question
correctly
so
in
different
development
types.
Could
these
standards
be
flexible
based
on
the
type
of
development?
It
is.
I
Yeah,
more
more
so
applying
the
same
standards
similar
the
same
residential
standards,
for
instance,
where
it's
or
you
know
whatever
is
appropriate,
but
applying
those
standards
in
between
buildings
Within
the
same
development.
Oh.
A
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
setbacks
within
interior
to
the
development.
Exactly
at
this
point,
where
we're
not
contemplating
that
I
would
say
that
and
in
particular
tonight's
you
know,
focus
is
really
on
the
streetscape
and
so
the
the
the
internal
design
you
know
is
largely
left
to
to
those
designers
to
build
those.
A
I
Okay,
that
would
I
guess
be.
My
only
recommendation
is
you
know,
rather
than
exempting
or
just
request,
I
guess
or
feedback
would
be
rather
than
exempting
buildings
that
are
on
a
single
parcel
but
contain
multiple
buildings
applying
the
same
private
setback.
A
Okay
looks
like
we're
using
hands
so
Patricia.
You've
got
your
hand
up.
J
Yeah
I
just
have
a
a
question
that
so
if
a
new
development
development
is
going
in
and
in
an
area
and
it's
within
a
block
that
has
existing
like
an
existing
lot
or
you
know
a
lot,
that's
using
a
different
as
a
different
usage
and
not
developing
something
new.
How
do
how
are
you
going
to
incorporate
corporate
the
new,
the
new
sidewalk
width,
with
what
is
already
existing.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
what
I'm,
let
me
again
reiterate,
make
sure
I'm
understanding.
The
question
correctly
is
that
you
may
have
a
block
that
has
multiple
parcels
and
not
all
of
them
are
going
to
develop
at
the
same
time,
and
so
you
know
does
are
the?
How
are
we
going
to
see
these
blocks
built
out?
Did
I
get
that
correct.
J
Do
a
sidewalk
that
is
actually
you
know
all
encompassing,
you
know,
for
a
whole
block
and
how
are
you
going
to
incorporate
the
different
type
yeah?
So
exactly
that's.
A
Right
so
yeah,
you
know
it
does
get
a
lot
more
complicated
when
you
know
when
you
have
multiple
parcels
and
they
develop
at
different
rates.
A
You
know
in
general,
again,
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
focused
on
on
design
and
that
we're
you
know,
hitting
the
right
Design
Elements
here,
and
so
don't
want
to
get
too
sidetracked
on
this
concept.
But
you
know
there
are
different
ways
that
it
can
be
approached.
One
would
be
to
you
know,
create
an
impact
fee
for
for
blocks
like
that,
where,
when
a
developer
comes
in,
they
build
their
their
their
building
to
meet
that
setback
standard
they
build.
A
If
we're
looking
at
the
one
that
we
have
up
on
the
screen
right
now,
they
build
their
Frontage
zone
so
that
it's
compliant,
but
it
could
be
that
the
sidewalk
portion
in
this
instance
it's
shown
on
the
inside
of
the
property
line,
and
so
this
sidewalk
portion
would
be,
you
know,
run
up
against
the
two
adjacent
properties,
let's
say
and
into
their
front
yards,
and
so
that
that
portion
of
Street
isn't
as
as
useful,
that
portion
of
the
sidewalk
is
in
is
useful.
A
That
way,
and
so
there
would
have
to
be
an
interim-
you
know
where
perhaps
the
you
know,
the
sidewalk
is
initially
expanded
or
addressed
on
this
portion,
or
it
could
be
with
the
impact
fee
that
we
come
in
and
do
an
entire
block
at
one
time.
So
it's
really
going
to
be
dependent
on.
What's
going
on
on
that
particular
Block
in
the
and
the
instances
or
the
circumstances
of
that
particular
block.
A
There
are
several
blocks
like
the
you
know
that
that
are
owned
entirely
by
one
entity,
and
so
those
would
be
easy.
They
would
just
do
the
block
when
they
develop.
K
K
I
would
just
suggest
that
put
the
Frontage
area
that
people
would
want
to
sit
where
they
put
the
chairs
and
stuff
on
the
north
side
of
eighth
and
9th,
because
you're
going
to
get
a
better
chance
of
being
in
the
Sun
than
if
we're
parked
up
against
some
of
the
buildings
that
are
built
up
on
8th
Street.
K
So
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
choice
of
where
which
side
of
the
streets
have
the
road
and
which
side
the
access
road
and
then
also
where
chairs
and
stuff
would
be,
and
also
I
with
the
trees.
K
You
know.
I
worked
with
on
a
lot
of
environmental
projects
and
the
after
the
fact
of
hey.
You
know
we
need
to
take
care
of
the
trees
or
there
needs
to
be
weeding
or
whatever
that
always
seems
to
be
dropped
at
the
end
of
the
project.
You
know
we
plant
the
trees
and
there's
a
lot
of
issues
of
of
leaves
plugging
up
the
storm
drains
right
now.
L
A
No,
it's
fine
we're
trying
to
keep
on
a
tight,
tight
ship
here.
Ron
can.
Can
we
hear
from
you
and
then
we'll
go
back
into
the
main
room.
F
I
just
want
to
say,
I
really
like
the
design
I,
especially
the
Frontage
right
in
front
of
apartments
that
have
you
know,
ability
to
have
shrubs
and
things
like
that,
so
I'm
all
for
it.
F
C
Right
so,
you
have
had
The
Misfortune
of
Being
assigned
into
my
breakout
room,
which
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
talk
about
the
material
that
I
just
presented
and
we're
going
to
have
about
15
minutes.
C
To
do
this,
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
we're
sharing
these
thoughts
with
you
with
some
sort
of
initial
recommendations
for
how
we're
going
to
approach
this
in
order
to
get
this
out
in
the
public
realm
and
see.
C
If
you
have
any
reactions
to
it,
with
the
understanding
that
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
additional
comments
through
the
online
survey,
as
well
as
the
opportunity
to
review
and
comment
on
more
detailed
design
work,
that's
going
to
be
coming
up
with
the
Planning
Commission
work
session
next
month
and
other
future
meetings
on
the
draft
code
itself.
So
I
think
what
I
want
to
do.
I
have
I
have
all
of
the
materials
that
I
share
in
the
presentation
that
I
can
pull
up
on
the
screen.
C
If
you
want
to
look
at
them,
but
I
think
what
I
want
to
do
is
just
sort
of
open
this
up
to
everybody
who
we
have
here
in
this
group
and
just
see
what
your
reaction
is.
Your
reaction
to
what
I
just
shared
in
terms
of
the
recommended
streetscape
design
approach,
the
standards
that
you
saw
for
those
example
Street
types
and
then
any
other
thoughts
that
you
have
I'm
very
curious
and
interested
in.
In
your
reactions
to
what
you
just
saw.
C
C
M
Name
is
Maria
and,
first
and
foremost,
I
think
it
all
looks
really
exciting
and
I
am
present
tonight,
because
we
just
purchased
a
lot
just
about
two
blocks:
west
of
the
most
western
edge
of
the
whole
project
on
11th
street,
so
I
anticipate.
This
is
going
to
be
a
project
that
we're
literally
driving
through
to
get
to
our
residents.
M
That
is
yet
to
be
built
so
cruising
on
11th
Street,
you
know
off
of
you
know
whatever
okay,
my
question
is
I
think
you
said
relative
to
the
active
Frontage
Zone
that
there
was
going
to
be
some
need
to
use
up
some
private
property
to
make
that
happen.
So
my
first
question
is:
did
I
hear
that
accurately?
M
M
C
So
right
now
you
have
a
little
in
most
places
you
have
a
little
five
foot,
sidewalk,
that's
between
the
curb
and
the
property
line,
which
could
be
a
building
or
it
could
be
a
front
yard.
That's
not
a
lot
of
space.
That's
not
a
lot
of
space
to
create
a
active
welcoming
public
pedestrian
realm,
which
is
what
we're
looking
for
so
I
think
what
the
vision
is
is
for
that
area.
C
C
It
could
be
as
long
as
10
feet
or
wide
is
10
feet
and
that
would
need
to
project
over
the
property
line
into
private
property,
with
a
street
easement
established
there
and
when
you,
when
there's
an
existing
Street
network
with
narrow,
sidewalks
and
there's
a
desire
to
transform
the
area
into
a
more
pedestrian-oriented
area
with
wider
sidewalks.
That's
typically
the
strategy,
that's
used
and
sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
fear
and
trepidation
about
this
idea
of
using
private
property.
C
For
that
purpose,
you
know
I
think
usually
Property
Owners
come
around
to
the
idea,
because
they
understand
that
there
is
sort
of
an
addition,
There's
an
opportunity
for
more
intensive
development,
that's
being
allowed
and
that
would
sort
of
offset
the
need
to
use
a
portion
of
that
street
Frontage
for
a
wider
sidewalk,
so
so
yeah,
so
that
that's
the
concept,
that's
the
concept.
C
Okay
and
I,
see
David
given
limited
tile.
Maybe
move
on
to
David
is
no.
N
First
of
all,
I
think
you
know,
we
know
what
the
questions
are.
So
could
you
let
us
see
each
other
rather
than
look.
N
Thank
you
so
the
the
comment
that
I
have
I
mean.
Obviously
that's
Street
design
is
attractive
and
I've
been.
You
know
the
place
that
you
showed
in
Santa
Cruz
and
clearly
it
invites
a
whole
range
of
uses
that
the
sidewalk
alone
doesn't
invite
or
allow,
and,
and
obviously
it
would
be
nice
to
have
many
more
places
outdoors
in
Arcata.
That
would
invite
outdoor
uses,
for
you
know
for
all
kinds
of
different
scores
and
and
even
people's
homes.
N
The
question,
though,
I
mean
the
devil's
in
the
details,
so
you're
asking
people
for
15
feet
basically
in
ethereal
example,
and
the
question
is
what
what
do
they
get
for
it?
So
it's
really
hard
to
evaluate
the
goodies
without
knowing
without
knowing
you
know
the
whole
system
of
what
it
is
that
the
city
will
give
them,
because
15
feet
is
a
lot.
N
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
it's
a
it's
a
significant
portion
of
their
lot,
and
so
that's
why
I
as
I
say,
I
mean
I
think
the
design
would
be
great,
but
if
people
were
getting
something
that
would
counteract
the
value
of
the
design,
you
know.
So
that's
why
it's
hard
to
give
you
you
know
if
we're
just
looking
at
is
a
design
attractive.
Absolutely.
B
C
Yeah,
no,
your
point
is
well
taken
and
I
think
we're
using
tonight's
meeting
to
just
sort
of
take
a
few
minutes
to
introduce
the
concept
with
a
lot
of
the
details,
sort
of
being
worked
out
and
with
opportunity
for
further
sort
of
consideration
of
those
details
and
so
I
see.
Jane
is
patiently
waiting
with
her
hand,
raise.
O
Yes,
two
things:
I
like
the
very
Concepts
myself,
I,
think
they're
great
I,
think
the
devil
again
is
in
the
details
of
how
you
negotiate
to
get
an
additional
10
to
15
feet
and
I
think
merely
the
option
of
having
an
amenity
for
a
builder
that
they
can
build
another
story
or
higher
or
whatever
have.
You
is
not
going
to
work
with
people
such
as
what
was
her
name
I'm,
sorry
Maria,
who
had
bought
a
piece
of
property
and
I.
Don't
know
what
your
length
of
your
lot
is.
O
O
O
The
other
thing
I
mean
I
I,
think
that
would
be
quite
easy
for
new
properties.
Okay,
but
you
ought
to
check
into
that
I.
Don't
know!
The
other
option
is
giving
a
rebate
on
taxes
to
that
property
owner
so
that
it
would
be
worth
their
while
to
do
that,
and
in
looking
at
these
streetscapes
I'm
wondering
how
a
fire
truck
is
going
to
gain
access
to
the
building
when
they're
potentially
20
feet
away
from
the
roadway.
O
Or
are
you
anticipating,
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
drive
on
a
10-foot
sidewalk
when
there's
a
fire,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
if
you've
got
trees
between
and
all
these
nice
tall
plantings
between
the
curb
and
the
building,
you
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
address
that
in
either
space
the
trees
so
that
a
fire
truck
can
get
in
there
in
between
that
takes
logistical
planning.
So.
C
Q
Either
way
is
good
with
me,
mine
is
pretty
quick,
so
maybe
it
works
better.
This
way,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
hard
work
and
all
the
people
who
have
commented
and
just
because
it
helps
me
feel
comfortable,
saying
that
you
know.
Forgive
me
if
you
brought
this
up
when
you
were
talking,
but
as
you
were
speaking
I'm
thinking,
he
hasn't
mentioned
anything
about
how
dark
it
is
on
those
streets
and
I'm
curious
about
when
there's
going
to
be
proper
lighting
for
the
amount
of
people
in
in
the
traffic.
Q
That's
there
now
and
also
I
think
that
a
lot
of
this
is
really
big
transitions
that
are
happening
fairly
quickly
and
I
think
that
it's
A
Hard
Sell
to
the
public
that
has
that
owns
property
there
to
ask
them
to
relinquish
some
of
their
Lots
so
that
the
buildings
can
be
built
when
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
public
either
don't
know
or
aren't
supportive
of
giant
buildings
anyway.
So
it's
kind
of
like
to
me
I
feel
like
it's
good
to
move
slow
and
do
things
proper
and
it
looks
like
a
good
design.
Q
P
Hi
I
I'm,
very
supportive
of
wider
sidewalks
personally
I
have
some
friends
that
have
disability
and
it's
really
challenging
to
navigate
such
kind
of
rough
terrain,
narrow,
sidewalk,
really
close
to
traffic.
I
live
near
off
of
Alliance
and
I'm,
like
the
alliance
and
Foster
corner,
where
there's
just
a
five
foot.
Sidewalk
is
so
scary
and
makes
me
think
of
the
girl
who
died
a
few
weeks
ago.
P
P
I
think
is,
is
really
a
responsible
move
to
to
Really
prioritize
pedestrian
safety,
because
I'm
I'm
scared
honestly
walking
my
dog
in
kind
of
the
really
claustrophobic
spaces
that
we
have
right
now.
So
yeah
I
totally
understand
you
know:
Property
Owners,
feeling
kind.
L
C
All
right
and
so
we're
at
6
40,
which
is
the
time
that
we
need
to
go
back
into
the
full
group
for
a
brief
presentation
on
parking
and
Mobility.
L
A
C
Think
we're
all
here-
Ben
great
okay,
so
we'll
now
continue
with
our
second
topic,
which
is
mobility
and
parking.
So
there's
a
chapter
within
the
draft
Gateway
plan
that
establishes
goals
and
policies
related
to
mobility
and
parking
and
the
policies
that
are
most
relevant
to
the
Gateway
code,
really
focus
on
allowing
for
and
encouraging
a
car
free
lifestyle,
incentivizing
active
Transportation
like
biking
and
walking,
and
alternative
transportation
such
as
Transit
other
policies
about
disconnecting
parking
minimums
from
land
use.
As
is
the
case
today.
C
And
so
the
Gateway
code
will
Implement
these
Gateway
plan
policies
in
a
number
of
different
ways
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
of
the
draft
standards
that
we
are
proposing
related
to
mobility
and
parking,
and
then
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
further
comments
within
your
breakout
room,
as
well
as
through
the
gate
through
the
online
survey,
which
will
be
available
after
tonight's
meeting.
So
the
first
topic
has
to
do
with
the
number
of
spaces,
and
the
Gateway
plan
includes
a
policy
to
disconnect
required
on-site
parking
from
land
use.
So.
C
Currently,
there's
often
a
requirement
that,
for
a
dwelling
unit
on
on
a
site,
there
needs
to
be
one
or
maybe
1.5
or
two
parking
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
What
we
are
proposing
for
the
Gateway
code
is
that
for
residential
uses
there
is
no
minimum
on-site
parking
and
that
for
neighborhoods
serving
commercial
uses
such
as
retail
and
residents,
there
also
is
no
minimum
on-site
parking.
C
What
we
are
also
proposing
is
maximum
parking
on
the
site,
and
so
the
reason
we're
doing
that
is
we
really
want
to
use
the
limited
land
that's
available
within
the
city,
to
maximize
housing
production
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
need
to
minimize
car
storage
on
site
and
so
we're
proposing
rules
for
maximum
parking.
For
residential
uses
and
that
might
vary
from
District
to
District,
as
well
as
maximum
parking
for
commercial
employment
and
hotel
uses,
so
there'll
be
no
minimum
parking
for
most
land
uses
and
then
there
will
also
be
maximum
parking
requirements.
C
So
that's
a
departure
from
the
parking
rules
in
many
places
in
Arcata
now
and
we're
interested
in
your
feedback
on
that.
So
we
also
have
standards
related
to
Transportation
demand
management,
also
known
as
TDM,
and
what
TDM
is
is
measures
that
cities
adopt
and
Implement
that
reduce
vehicle
trips
and
promote
Transportation
Alternatives.
So
an
example
of
a
TDM
measure
might
be
free.
C
Transit
passes,
it
might
be
bicycle
commuter
amenities,
so
in
an
office
showers
and
lockers,
for
example,
and
it
also
might
be
separating
the
cost
of
parking
for
a
resident
from
the
rental
agreement
so
that
the
resident
has
the
option
to
spend
money
on
a
parking
space
or
not.
Those
are
all
examples
of
TDM
measures,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
in
our
standards
is
that
for
employment
uses
over
10
000
square
feet,
which
may
generate
parking
demand
for
employees,
that
they
must
prepare
a
TDM
plan
with
specific
measures
to
reduce
parking
demand
and
encourage
alternative
transportation.
C
And
then
what
we're
also
proposing
is
that
for
a
residential
project,
that
a
residential
project
could
include
TDM
measures
as
a
community
benefit.
So,
for
example,
a
residential
project
could
offer
free
Transit
passes
and
that's
something
that
would
qualify
as
a
community
benefit
without
would
allow
for
additional
height
under
the
Community
benefit
program,
along
with
other
community
benefits
that
the
project
is
providing
okay.
C
So
remember
we're
not
requiring
any
on-site
parking,
but
if
a
developer
chose
to
provide
on-site
parking
that
parking
caught,
the
cost
of
that
parking
would
have
to
be
unbundled
from
the
costs
of
the
rental
agreement
or
this
part
or
the
purchase
price.
Okay,
so
we're
also
proposing
standards
for
carpools
and
car
sharing.
So
if
there's
an
a
large
employment
use
that
is
established
within
the
Gateway
area
that
has
more
than
forty
thousand
square
feet,
they
would
need
to
provide
at
least
one
carpool
Van
van
pool
space.
C
If
there
is
a
residential
project
that
is
more
than
50
units
or
more,
they
would
need
to
provide
at
least
one
car
share
space
if
there's
a
car
share
service
operating
in
an
Arcata
and
similarly,
if
there's
a
large
employment
use,
that
use
would
also
need
to
provide
at
least
one
car
share
space.
If
there's
a
car
share
service
provider
operating
in
Arcata,
so
they'll
also
be
standards
for
a
parking
location
and
Design
I'll
talk
about
a
couple
of
those.
C
So
ideally,
if
there's
on-site
parking
as
well
as
service
access
to
a
use
that
that
would
be
from
an
alley,
we
understand.
There's
not
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
existing
alleys
in
the
Gateway
area
we
may
plan
for
more
alleys
and,
if
there's
an
existing
alley
or
one
that's
planned
that
access
to
the
parking
would
have
to
be
from
that
alley.
C
Okay,
a
very
important
part
of
the
parking
location
and
design
stance,
location
and
design
standards
has
to
do
with
the
location
of
parking
on
the
site.
In
fact,
there's
a
policy
in
the
Gateway
plan.
That's
specifically
about
that,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
in
all
areas
of
the
Gateway
area
is
that
parking
would
not
be
permitted
between
a
building
and
both
the
front
Main
Street
and
a
side
street
similar
to
what
is
shown
in
this
graphic
here
and
then
for
Park
surface
parking,
lots
that
are
visible
from
a
side
street.
C
Let's
say,
for
example,
there's
a
surface
parking
lot
behind
this
building
and
this
graphic
that
you
could
see
from
the
street.
There
would
need
to
be
screening
of
at
least
three
feet:
hatch
fence
or
wall
for
that
parking
lot.
That's
visible
from
the
street
okay
and
the
last
set
of
standards
that
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
provide
some
feedback
on
tonight
has
to
do
with
bicycle
facilities,
and
so
there
will
be
requirements
for
bicycle
parking
for
residential
uses
as
well
as
non-residential
uses.
C
These
proposed
standards
are
similar
to
what's
required
elsewhere
in
the
city
right
now.
There
also
would
be
the
opportunity
to
provide
additional
bicycle
facilities,
let's
say,
for
example,
Community
commuter
amenities
such
as
a
shower
and
a
locker
from
employees
that
would
be
part
of
the
community
benefits
program.
C
So
I
realize
that's.
A
lot
of
information.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
this
more
in
your
breakout
group,
and
so
we're
asking
if
you
have
any
specific
recommended
revisions
to
this
material
that
you
saw
tonight
anything
else
that
you
want
to
share
about
parking
and
Mobility
with
the
understanding
that
there'll
be
an
opportunity
for
you
to
look
at
this
more
and
provide
further
comments
as
part
of
the
online
survey.
A
A
If
you
feel
comfortable,
please
turn
on
your
video
that'll
make
our
conversation
a
little
bit
more
personable
a
little
bit
easier
to
track.
If
you
don't
that's
fine
too,
in
our
last
breakout
room,
we
we
kind
of
ran
out
of
time.
So
what
I'm
going
to
ask
is
for
folks
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
some
comments
and
let's
try
and
do
you
know
kind
of
debate
style,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
45
seconds
to
make
your
point
ask
a
question.
A
You
know
that
sort
of
thing
and
we'll
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
an
opportunity
and
then
we
can
go
back
and
for
another
round
and
have
a
little
bit
more
substantive
discussion.
So
you
can
start
anywhere.
You
want
on.
This
looks
like
hands
are
up
already
so
Anthony.
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
start.
Q
Foreign,
thank
you
David.
My
point
is
short.
I
respect
the
interest
in
making
it
more
of
a
pedestrian
town,
I
think
it
always
has
been
and
I
just
see
an
issue
with
some
of
the
you
know.
He
mentioned
that
renters
could
potentially
pay
to
park
and
I.
Just
wonder
how
the
city
is
gonna
maintain
you
know,
I
know
you
guys
want
a
lot
of
people
to
move
here.
So
how
do
we
give
them
a
reason
to
move
here
without
forcing
them
to
pay
for
parking
and
making
little
annoying
things
like
that
happen?
A
Okay,
thanks
Ray
Lena.
I
Are
there
any
stipulations
about
electric
charging
stations
within
parking?
That's
kind
of
a
an
issue
when
you
are
driving
an
electric
vehicle
one
if
someone
is
who
isn't
using
an
electric
charger
station
is
parked
in
an
electric
charging
parking
spot,
but
just
I
don't
know
if
that's
too
into
the
details.
But
that
was
my
question
and
the
suggestion
to
have
at
least
some
number
of
electric
charging
stations
for
vehicles
in
any
any
parking
scenario.
A
B
P
Hi
I
just
wanted
to
express
support
and
appreciation
for
the
idea
of
reducing
parking
in
order
to
increase
pedestrian
and
bike
use
and
public
transit.
I
think
that's
excellent
and
yeah
I.
Don't
really
have
a
problem
with
any
of
that.
I
would
love
to
live
in
a
part
of
town
that
focused
on
those
things.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Jim.
E
Thanks
David,
just
a
couple
questions
about
the
well
one
in
particular:
do
you
plan
to
anticipate
that
parking
demand?
That's
will
probably
come
about,
for
people
can
afford
to
have
their
cars.
Are
you
thinking
it's
probably
just
going
to
be
a
completely
paid,
separate
garage,
or
do
you
think
that'll
probably
be
within
the
units
of
where
people
are
living?
E
The
second
thing
is,
is:
do
you
actually
anticipate
if
you
uncover
parking
from
from
units,
you
know
with
the
whole,
the
intent
would
be
to
would
be
to
save
people
costing
their
rents,
but
my
only
concern
is
that
it'll
just
be
value-added
on
top,
and
so
hopefully
this
can
translate
into
more
reasonable
price
housing
for
people
and
not
simply
the
people
who
aren't
paying
just
are
not
paying
more.
You
know,
I
mean
yeah,
and
that
would
be
my
question.
Thank.
B
A
I've
already
had
some
interest
expressed
by
existing
Developers
for
this
idea
of
being
able
to
charge
for
parking
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
how
we
do
that
to
make
sure
that
it
does
translate
into
you
know:
savings
on
rent,
the
the
other
question
that
you
asked.
I,
think
that,
where
unbundling
is
is
applied,
it
would
apply
within
the
on-site
parking
for
those
facilities.
A
There
are
some
other
ideas
about
having
paid
parking
or
metered
parking
outside
the
facilities
on
the
public
streets
as
well:
okay,
Jane,
I'm,
gonna,
I,
don't
know
if
you
came
in
on
at
the
same
time,
but
we're
hoping
to
get
folks
to
do
a
45
second
intro,
so
we
can
get
through
everybody
at
least
once
and
then
we
can
come
back
through
and
have
more
substantive
discussion.
Okay,.
O
My
question
has
to
do
with
people
who
are
trying
to
access
commercial
facilities
and
businesses
within
the
area
if
there
is
no
on-street
parking,
even
if
it's
paid
or
unpaid,
if
you're
trying
to
facilitate
people
coming
in
from
the
verbs
basically
and
not
just
have
people
attending,
you
know
going
to
those
businesses
that
are
in
the
area.
I
think
you
need
to
make
accommodation
for
that
and
I'm.
It's
not
clear
what
that
is.
F
A
For
commercial
uses,
you
know
they're
allowed
to
put
some
parking
in
here.
These
parking
standards
can
change
based
on
you
know,
public
input
and
decision
makers
appetite
for
being
very
aggressive.
These
standards
are
very
aggressive
towards
alternative
transportation.
A
Recognizing
that
you
know
the
changes
are
going
to
be
slow
and-
and
you
know,
take
place
over
the
next
several
decades
and
then
also
that
you
know
during
that
same
time
frame
we'll
be
increasing
our
you
know
ability
to
have
more
shared
parking
and
alternative
transportation
scenarios
better
bussing
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
it
is,
it
is
a
concern.
A
G
G
Because
yeah
so
surface
parking
spaces
may
not
be
located
in
the
area
between
the
front
and
side
property
line.
That
concerns
me
a
little
bit
because
we
have
so
few
parking
spaces
going
into
the
gateway
area
that
this
additional
restriction
might
just
make
things
so
hard
to.
If
you
have
a
car,
you
might
end
up
driving
around
and
round
and
round
in
circles
around
several
blocks,
looking
for
a
space
that's
available
and
that
obviously
Burns
some
fossil
fuels
in
that
search
for
a
space.
A
You
couldn't
put
the
parking
on
the
Frontage
part
of
the
reason,
for
that
is
that
the
plan
is
trying
to
make
the
frontages
more
pedestrian
oriented,
but
yeah.
That's
that's
a
good
comment.
We
got
have
to
balance
the
the
benefits
of
you
know:
reducing
parking
and
pushing
towards
alternative
transportation,
with
the
fact
that
you
know
everyone's,
not
gonna,
you
know
walk
away
from
their
cars
overnight.
H
Thanks,
let's
see
I
I,
definitely
like
the
no.
What
is
it?
No
minimums
I
think
that's
almost
a
requirement
to
get
the
ball
rolling.
H
Maximums,
definitely
for
consideration
and
I
think
the
unbundling
is
also
a
really
good
idea
to
see
how
that
would
shape
out,
because.
H
Yeah,
it
just
makes
impairment
what
what
we
pay
for
now,
that's
not
apparent.
That's
all
I
have.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
were
pretty
efficient,
I.
Think
we've
got
a
little
bit
more
time
here.
We've
got
until
I'm,
sorry,
7
20.,
so
we've
still
got
quite
a
bit
of
time.
If
folks
want
to
come
back
and
have
more
comments,
you
can
comment.
You
know
about
something
that
you
heard
from
someone
else
that
you'd
like
to
respond
back
to
or
we
can
talk
about
other.
A
You
know
details
that
we
have
here.
A
O
Hard
to
a
good
concept
of
how
many
square
feet
the
typical
building
will
have
in
order
to
identify
how
many
bicycle
spaces
or
parking
spaces
will
be
required.
How
the
and
and
if
we
don't
have
Alleyways,
are
you
going
to
create
Alleyways
in
order
to
access
parking?
O
You
know
what
size
building
for
X
number
of
parking
places,
depending
on
what
it
is,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
have
sample
buildings
with
here's.
Here's
with
it
parking
spaces,
aren't
here's
where
they
would
be.
Here's
how
you
access
them
and
give
an
excise
building
with
X
number
of
square
feet.
Here's
how
many
parking
spaces
you'd
end
up
with
it's
very
hard
to.
A
Absolutely
I
I
hear
you
loud
and
clear.
It
is
kind
of
hard
to
jump
to
make
that
jump
and
I
think
that
you
know
we'll
be
able
to
evaluate
you
know
some
of
these
details
in
in
you
know
more
specific
site-specific
examples.
A
I
think.
The
idea
right
now
is
really
to
you
know
from
a
general
sense.
You
know.
Are
we
on
the
right
track?
You
know
trying
to
require,
you
know
higher
proportions
of
bicycle
facilities,
for
you
know
for
these
developments
you
know,
and
some
of
these
you
know
they're.
You
know
you
have
to
apply
a
standard
and
it
may
not
make
sense
in
all
all
examples.
R
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
fought
hard
to
have
there
be
more
AV
charging
and
for
every
unit
for
multi-family
housing,
and
we
didn't
succeed,
but
I
think
it
was
really
to
me.
It
was
really
important
for
Equity
reasons
and
and
I
think
that
that
should
not
be
having
a
charger.
At
least
one
per
unit
should
not
be
Community
benefit.
I
mean
we're
talking,
it's
a
lot
more
expensive
to
do
the
wiring
after
the
fact
than
it
is
to
put
it
in
to
begin
with.
R
So
at
least
there
should
be
an
EV
ready
space
for
every
parking
space
that
should
be
I
guess,
because,
if
you're
not
even
having
one
per
unit,
every
parking
space
should
be
EV
ready,
I
mean
we're.
Thinking
about
these
buildings
are
going
to
be
built
in
the
future
they're
going
to
be
there
for
many
many
years
and
that's
going
to
be
needed.
A
Okay,
yeah
I
was
just
trying
to
find
the
standards
you
were
talking
about,
I
think
maybe
you're
referring
to
both
EV
charging
and
the
the
minimum
parking
spaces
required.
Regulina.
R
A
I
I
I
was
gonna
chime
in
about
whether
or
not
it's
possible
to
set
a
maximum
on
a
parking
permit
prices.
I
A
Yeah,
there
are
a
lot
of
equity
issues
that
we
have
to
think
through
on
those,
and
you
know
ensure
that
there's
not
disproportionate
impacts
on
you
know:
lower
income
people,
people
of
color.
You
know
people
who
don't
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
not
rely
on
a
car,
so
I
think
those
are
really
good
points.
F
A
Yeah
I
think
you
think
the
idea
is
to
have
some
minimums,
for
you
know:
Secure
Storage
of
bicycles,
the,
where
I
think
where
the
community
benefit
comes
in
is
when
you
start
providing
for
much
more
robust
infrastructure
for
for
bike
commuting,
or
you
know
other
ways
of
getting
to
work.
You
know
such
as
locker
rooms
and
showers
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
we'll
double
check
on
that
Anthony
looks
like
we
have
one
minute
of
getting
a
notice.
Thank.
Q
You
basic
point
that
I
want
to
make
is
that
it
seems
like
it's
hard
to
conceive
how
many
people
Arcata
is
trying
to
attract
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
consider
the
charm
that
Arcata
currently
has
because,
if
we
race
to
build
this
place
up
to
look
like
other
cities,
other
people
aren't
going
to
want
to
come
here
and
I.
Think
a
good
way
to
put
that
is
that
a
lot
of
us
moved
here
because
they
didn't.
Q
We
didn't
want
to
live
in
the
cities
and
that's
just
something
that
I
think
is
worth
keeping
in
mind.
It's
almost
like
slow
down
and
do
things
in
a
responsible
way,
not
look
for
the
pie
in
the
sky
and
then
fill
because
we,
you
know,
built
everything
to
be
as
maximum
as
much
as
we
wanted
to
ideally
make
it.
And
then
people
don't
want
to
live
here,
because
it's
uncomfortable.
O
It
occurs
to
me
that
there
may
be
any
number
of
people
who
are
interested
in
using
little
Vehicles
like
a
golf
cart
because
kinds
of
things-
transport,
motorized,
motorized
wheelchairs.
But
things
like
the
little
parking
meter.
C
Okay,
so
welcome
to
my
breakout
room,
some
of
you
have
seen
before
some
of
you
are
new
and
you
know
in
the
15
or
20
minutes
that
we
have
for
this
interested
in
your
reactions
to
the
things
that
you
saw.
Give
you
know
with
with
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have.
We
don't
have.
C
You
know
that
much
opportunity
to
delve
in
the
details,
but
I
wanted
to
start
with
what
I
showed
you
about
the
number
of
spaces,
with
there
being
no
minimum
for
residential
and
neighborhoods
serving
commercial
uses,
as
well
as
maximum
parking
standards,
and
just
to
see
what
your
reaction
to
that
is
so
Fred
I,
see
that
your
hand
is
up.
Why
don't
you
go
first?
Yes,
thank
you,
Ben.
How.
S
Are
you
good?
Thank
you.
What
we've
heard
from
developers
is
that
they
want
parking
for
their
units.
This
came
up
with
a
proposed
project.
It
was
the
Westwood
Garden
Apartments.
He
would
not
build
unless
there
is
one
parking
space
per
unit,
and
so
we
may
be
creating
a
situation
here
where
you
have
one
quarter
parking
space
per
unit
where
the
developers
are
just
not
going
to
build,
and
the
reason
for
this
is
because
they
get
too
much
plaque
and
or
they
can't
rent
the
the
the
the
spaces.
S
I
also
encourage
you
and
everyone
to
not
use
the
word
unit,
but
rather
bedrooms,
for
instance,
where
you
have
Bicycles
of
one
per
unit,
should
be
one
per
bedroom:
okay,
but
the
we're
talking
now
about
the
maximum
car
spaces.
Other
things
where
you
have
things
tied
to
the
an
employer
who
has
forty
thousand
square
feet
or
ten
thousand
square
feet?
We
don't
have
big
employers,
it
might
be
more
feasible
to
tie
it
to
the
building.
S
S
The
and
also
you
mentioned
curb
Cuts
is
one
person
is
that
on
a
parcel
basis
or
per
block
basis,
if
we
have
some
of
our
Parcels,
of
course,
our
entire
block,
others
are
small
Parcels,
but
the
the
main
thing,
as
I
said,
is
that
the
developers
are
not
going
to
be
interested
in
a
quarter
car
per
unit
or
a
quarter
car
per
bedroom
situation
and
based
on
their
feelings,
which
may
be
right
or
wrong
that
they
they
won't
be
rentable.
That's.
C
It
thanks
thanks
Fred
okay,
who
is
next
Patricia
you're
next
on
my
screen
and
Cindy
will
make
sure
to
get
to
you.
J
Parking
off-site,
or
do
you
put
you
make
or
on
site?
Do
you
make
sure
that
there's
a
certain
number
like
on
Street
side
off-site
parking,
so
that
was
just
a
curiosity.
C
Yeah
that
that
is
a
great
point
and
we
will
add
it
to
the
list
of
things
that
we
will
think
more
about.
Thank
you
for
that.
C
Okay,
Cindy.
K
Hi
I
understand
you
know
your
concept
of
doing
this,
which
sounds
great
except
I,
live
a
block
and
a
half
away
from
the
planned
Gateway
project,
and
it
is
a
little
dismaying
to
think
that
there
could
be
a
large
increase
of
people
that
would
be
parking.
You
know
in
our
neighborhoods
and
leaving
their
cars
there
for
times,
and
is
there
some
you
know:
do
you
have
any
protections
for
the
residential
areas
that
live
nearby
and
are
concerned
that
maybe
we'd
be
having
a
park?
K
Is
there
any
talk
about
that
and
the
concerns
because
it's
we
are
in
pretty
isolated
area
in
and
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
drive
up
here,
just
to
have
a
car
to
drive
back
home
again
it's
it's
really
hard.
I
use
a
public
transportation
Greyhound
and
all
that
and
it
can
be
pretty
difficult
to
get
you
know.
Most
people
will
rely
on
cars.
So
that's
a
concern.
K
C
Yeah
so
so
my
my
opinion
is
that
the
plan
and
the
code
needs
to
do
more
to
address
that
concern
and
I
think
that
when
this
goes
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
for
a
further
discussion
that
that
issue
will
be
called
out
for
further
consideration.
C
Particularly,
you
know
how
how
to
how
to
better
protect
neighboring
areas
from
increased
on-site
parking
that
may
occur
as
a
result
of
establishing
new
parking
maximums.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
I'm
prepared
to
speak
specifically
to
what
those
might
be
tonight,
but
I
want
to
tell
you
that
I
hear
you
and
I
think
that
is
important.
C
Okay,
let's
see
Chris
I,
think
you're
next
foreign.
T
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
sorry,
yes,
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
done,
this
I'm
been
quite
busy
doing
other
things,
but
good.
B
T
You
well
I'm
trying
to
eat
dinner
at
the
same
time,
while
I'm
doing
this
I
grilled
up
some
food
and
that
so
but
anyway,
it's
very
interesting.
What's
going
on
with
all
this,
I
just
had
a
comment
on
this
aspect.
It's
looking
like
there's
a
big
promotion
to
do
combination
buildings
that
have
commercial
on
the
bottom
residential
up
above
and
I,
don't
see
anywhere
on
this
chart.
That
shows
how
the
parking
would
work
out
in
a
scenario
like
that.
What
what
would
you
recommend
or
suggest
with
that.
C
Yes,
so
it
would
be
combined
for
what
for
the
individual
uses.
So
let's
say
you
had
a
mixed-use
project
with
30
30
units
in
the
barrel
district,
and
let's
say
this
was
the
rule
that
was
ultimately
adopted.
They
could
provide
30,
no
more
than
30
units
on
the
site
and
then
let's
say
there
is
also
10
000
square
feet
of
commercial
use
that
they
would
be
able
to
provide
no
more
than
20
on-site
parking
spaces
as
a
maximum.
So
you
would,
you
would
calculate
separately
for
each
of
the
uses
and
that
would
come.
T
C
That
would
be.
That
would
be
so
we're
talking
about
maximum
on-site
parking
here,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
that
that
it
could
be
surface
like
what
you
have
behind
Sorrel
place.
C
It
could
be
structured
parking
that
is
naturally
ventilated
that
are
sometimes
called
Podium
parking
where
it's
partially
submerged
and
then
some
of
it
is
a
little
bit
higher
is
a
little
bit
above
ground,
so
you
can
sometimes
see
a
little
bit
of
it
and
that's
a
lot
less
expensive
to
build
than
fully
underground
parking
or
parking
structures
and
I.
C
Think
in
the
short
term,
for
the
type
of
development
we
would
be
likely
to
see
in
Arcata
within
the
Gateway
area
that
probably
we're
looking
at
at
a
Podium
style
parking
with,
maybe
also
a
little
bit
of
surface
parking
as
well
and
then
in
the
very
long
term,
when
the
economic
factors,
conditions
change,
then
sort
of
some
more
expensive
forms
of
on-site
parking
with
structured
parking
underground
parking
if
sort
of
environmental
conditions
permit
might
be
possible
in.
T
C
I'm
talking
it's
it's
a
it's!
It's
parking
where
often
it's
it's
partially
submerged,
so
you
drive
down
and
then
you'll
have
your
first
habitable
level.
Above
that
it's
maybe
it's.
Maybe
you
know
five
to
ten
feet
above
the
sidewalk.
You
know,
maybe
what
we'll
do
for
for
future
meetings.
When
we're
talking
about
parking,
we
could
have
a
little
photo
or
diagram
that
illustrates
what
we're
talking
about
here.
So
people
can
visualize
it.
U
Hope,
I
can
also
hear
an
accident.
It's
not
showing
me,
but
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
parking
is
is
a
concern.
It's
a
concern.
For
me,
too
I
mean
I,
live
in
Bayside
in
a
single
family,
home
neighborhood,
but
I
really
like
the
idea
of
you,
know,
moving
to
an
apartment
or
even
a
condo,
overlooking
a
March
at
some
point,
but
I
think
what
a
previous
person
said.
U
A
lot
of
people
come
to
town
and
then
leave
town
and
they're
they're
going
to
come
in
their
car
and
leave
in
their
car
from
places
south
and
places
north
and
I
really
have
been
wondering
why
there
has
not
been
talk
about
two
or
three
level
parking
in
the
Gateway
or
anywhere
else
in
town.
I.
Think
that
two
or
three
level
parking
might
be
a
solution,
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
you're
saying
it's
too
expensive
to
do.
That
is
that
why
it's
not
getting
talked
about
more
so
anyway.
That's
just
my
question.
B
C
C
That's
probably
gone
up,
given
the
cost
of
concrete
these
days,
so
I
think
that
in
the
short
term,
that's
not
so
much
part
of
the
vision
just
because
of
the
extremely
high
cost
of
that
I
think
there's
also
a
desire
from
the
city's
perspective
to
minimize
the
amount
of
parking
that's
provided,
so
that
more
of
the
land
resources
can
be
used
for
housing
as
opposed
to
the
storage
of
cars,
and
so
this
is
a
concept
in
the
plan.
C
I
think
it's
part
of
the
vision
and
that's
I,
think
part
of
the
reason
you
don't
hear
us
talking
about
multi-level
parking
structures.
C
C
Okay,
so
we
have
just
a
couple
of
minutes.
We
we
dwell.
We
dwelt
on
this
slide
of
number
of
spaces.
There
are
other
things
you
know.
If
you're
interested
I
encourage
you
to
to
do
the
survey,
you
can
look
at
these
standards
in
more
detail.
I
guess
in
the
couple
of
minutes
that
we
have
left,
did
anybody
have
anything
else
that
they
wanted
to
say
about
any
of
these
other
things,
bicycle
parking,
location,
unbundled
parking,
anything
else
that
you
wanted
to
comment
on.
K
Are
they
covered?
Are
they
just
the
rings
that
you've
taught
that
you
chain
up
to
because
Humboldt
County
is
a
pretty
wet
place
and
it's
more
encouraging
to
know
if
you
can
put
your
bike
in
a
place
that
you're
not
going
to
come
back
and
your
seat's
going
to
be
soaking
wet
or
so?
Are
they
going
to
be?
Are
any
of
them
going
to
be,
and
also
you
know,
a
friend
of
mine?
K
C
Yes,
I
think
I
think
the
short
answer
is
yes
to
a
certain
degree
as
a
baseline
requirement
and
then
with
the
option
for
developers
to
do
even
more
as
part
of
a
community
benefit.
Oh
say:
I,
see
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
lose
our
breakout
room
in
60
seconds
Fred.
Do
you
have
another
thing
to
say?
Maybe
some
farting
comments
just.
S
To
reiterate
that
it
needs
to
be
enclosed,
locking
or
lockable
bike
storage.
It
just
has
to
be
so,
but
we'll
get
to
that
later.
Thanks
very
much.
C
Okay,
all
right
thanks
Fred,
so
so
we're
going
to
be
kicked
out
of
our
breakout
room
in
30
seconds
and
I
guess.
I'll
put
another
plug
in
for
the
survey.
Give
you
an
opportunity
to
look
at
all
of
this
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
Think
about
it
and
provide
some
comments
that
that
myself
and
City
staff
can
think
about
and
contemplate
before
we
do
some
more
work
and
take
materials
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
their.
A
C
Doing
great,
okay,
so
the
third
and
final
topic
for
tonight
is
privately
owned:
publicly
accessible,
open
space.
Thank
you
for
sticking
with
us
and
working
with
us
in
this
format.
So
open
spaces
is
a
big
Topic
in
the
Gateway
plan.
It's
something's
really
it's
something
that
is
really
important,
and
the
plan
envisions
A
diversity
of
Open
Spaces
within
the
plan
area,
including
plazas
pocket,
Parks,
linear
parks,
along
linear
parks
along
daylight,
at
Creeks,
passive,
open
space
to
provide
for
public
gathering
places
and
recreational
opportunities
and
part
of
that
vision.
C
Is
this
concept
of
privately
owned,
publicly
accessible,
open
space,
which
is
essentially
when
a
developer
builds
something
they
create
a
plaza
or
a
car
Courtyard
on
private
property,
that's
accessible
to
the
public,
and
the
Gateway
plan
calls
for
a
series
of
privately
owned,
publicly
accessible,
Open
Spaces
within
the
central
Gateway
area,
and
for
that
these
spaces
to
be
linked
together
through
various
means
for
these
spaces
to
be
visible,
accessible
and
activate
it
for
there
to
be
a
variety
of
different
types
of
spaces
and
for
them
to
be
adequately
maintained
over
time,
and
there
is
figure
seven
within
the
Gateway
plan.
C
With
a
map,
that's
a
conceptual
open
space
plan
and
one
of
the
things
in
this
conceptual
open,
open
space
plan
is
an
area
where
the
plan
envisions
sort
of
new,
privately
owned,
publicly
accessible,
open
space
to
be
primarily
located.
It's
in
the
core
area.
It's
this
area
that
you
can
see.
That's
highlighted,
read
in
the
legend,
it
says
private,
open
space,
and
so
the
Gateway
plan
standards
refer
back
to
this
figure.
C
So
that's
why
I'm
showing
it
to
you,
and
so
what
we
are
thinking
with
this
is
that,
within
that
Gateway
area,
plan
figure,
seven
red
area
that
Central
Area,
a
project
that
is
participating
in
the
community
benefits
program-
would
have
to
do
one
of
two
things.
So,
if
the,
if,
if
the
city
is
granting
additional
height,
whether
it's
five
six
stories
or
more,
the
project
would
have
to
do
one
of
two
things.
C
C
For
example,
there
would
be
a
certain
amount
say
7.5
of
the
site
area,
which
would
on
30
000
square
foot
lot
would
be
you
know,
kind
of
like
I,
don't
know
20
a
little
less
than
2500
square
feet,
which
is
a
decent
sized
little
public
Plaza,
but
as
a
building
got
taller
and
the
city
was
asking
for
more
as
a
as
a
community
benefit.
C
The
size
of
that
publicly
accessible,
open
space
or
the
fee
that
was
being
collected
in
lieu
would
need
to
be
larger,
so
the
taller
the
building
got
the
more
the
city
would
get
out
of
it.
So
that's
the
big
picture
concept
for
that
core
area.
I
think
some
of
these
numbers
might
be
massaged
a
little
bit
as
we
move
through
the
process,
but
this
is
a
good
starting
for
us
and
then
outside
of
that
core
area
that
I
showed
in
the
map.
I'm
providing
publicly
accessible
private
open
space
would
be
optional
for
a
project.
C
That's
participating
in
the
community
community
benefit
program.
It
could
choose
to
do
this
as
one
of
many
other
ways
to
satisfy
the
community
benefit
requirement
to
be
eligible
for
that
additional
height.
With
the
same
idea,
the
taller
you
go,
the
greater
the
benefit
needs
to
be
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
open
space
prepared,
so
the
Gateway
code
is
going
to
include
standards
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
open
space
required
and
when
it's
required,
so
we're
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
that.
C
What
we're
proposing
is
that
there'll
be
a
minimum
average
dimension
of
at
least
30
feet
into
opposing
Dimensions
to
have
enough
space
there'll,
be
standards
for
accessibility
and
visibility,
where
the
open
space
would
have
to
be
directly
accessible
and
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
at
ground
level
or
close
to
ground
level,
and
also
rules
for
the
height
of
fences,
walls
and
hedges
that
are
within
and
along.
The
perimeter
of
these
Open
Spaces
here
is
an
image
of
the
Paseo
Nuevo
in
Santa
Barbara,
which
some
of
you
may
have
visited.
C
It's
a
very
lovely
space
and
it's
illustrating
how
there
are
active
uses
with
transparent
windows
that
are
fronting
the
the
open
space
and
so
we're
proposing
a
standard
that
the
at
least
50
percent
of
the
building.
Frontage
is
adjacent
to
the
open
space
need
to
be
composed
of
active
uses,
with
a
certain
amount
of
transparency
that
these
active
uses
need
to
be
oriented
towards
the
open
space
and
that
sort
of
active
uses
such
as
outdoor
dining
are
permitted
to
spill
out
into
these
open
space.
C
Provided
that
there's
seeding
and
shading
to
provide
for
a
comfortable
space,
Also
rules
about
furniture
and
other
elements.
We
don't
want
the
Space
full
of
seating
or
other
Furniture.
There
needs
to
be
a
certain
amount
of
say,
40
percent,
of
the
open
space
that
needs
to
be
remain
sort
of
open
and
free,
fixed
elements,
as
well
as
rule
rules
for
lighting,
because
we
want
these
Open
Spaces
to
be
sort
of
available
for
use
during
both
the
daytime
and
the
night
time,
particularly
during
the
winter
hours.
C
C
It's
open
and
fronts
onto
the
street,
and
so
there'll
be
standards
related
to
that
also
standards
related
to
the
amount
of
fixed
structures
that
need
to
that
are
allowed
along
the
perimeter
of
that
open
space
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
I
think
what
we're
proposing
is
know
that
no
more
than
50
percent
of
the
perimeter,
that's
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
can
be
occupied
by
a
fixed
structure.
So
these
are
a
lot
of
details
that
are
included
in
the
proposed
standards,
but
I
think,
cumulatively.
C
These
design
details
make
a
big
difference
in
terms
of
the
space
being
successful
and
available
to
be
used
used
by
the
public,
and
so
if
the
city
is
allowing
for
increased
height
or
allowing
for
this
amenity
to
count
towards
the
minimum
benefits
to
provide
to
allow
for
the
increased
height
for
the
community
benefit
program.
We
really
want
to
make
sure
that
these
spaces
are
well
designed
and
potentially
they'll
be
approved
through
a
ministerial
process.
C
So
we
need
objective
standards
in
place
to
make
sure
that
they're
well
designed
because
there
wouldn't
be
a
discretionary
design
review
process
with
a
public
hearing
to
sort
out
the
details
of
these
spaces.
So
that's
why
we're
going
into
this
level
of
detail
So
within
your
breakout
room
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
some
of
these
standards
a
little
bit
more
specifically
get
your
react.
We
want
to
get
your
reaction
to
them
tonight,
I
see
David.
C
Did
you
want
to
add
something
to
that
yeah
just
when
you're
done?
Thank
you,
okay,
right
and
then
so,
we'll
we'll
divide
into
the
breakout
room
again
and
then
sort
of
come
back
for
one
final
little
wrap
up,
and
then
we
will
be
on
our
way.
A
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
before
we
go
into
the
breakout
rooms
so
that
everyone
can
hear
this
at
the
same
time
that
I
noticed,
as
we
were,
presenting
these
materials
tonight
that
we
have
in
the
various
tiers
still
listed
an
eight
story,
column
and
I
just
want
to
remind
you
know,
folks
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
currently
working
on
a
recommendation
that
would
limit
Building
height
to
seven
stories
maximum
in
the
barrel
district,
and
so
those
those
different
tiered
categories
currently
would
drop
off
that
eight,
so
I
didn't
want
anybody
to
to.
A
All
right
welcome,
welcome
one
and
all
right.
We
have
been
assigning
folks
randomly
so
I
think
we've
probably
at
this
point.
Everyone
has
had
the
opportunity
to
to
be
in
each
breakout
room,
but
just
in
case
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
I'm
David
Lloyd
I'm,
the
director
of
Community
Development,
our
first
breakout
room
ran
a
little
over
in
terms
of
everybody
having
the
opportunity
to
speak.
So
in
the
last
breakout
room,
I
asked
for
first
round
comments
to
be
limited
to
about
45
seconds.
A
You
know
we'll
do
debate,
style,
first
blush
and
and
then
we'll
go
back
through
the
group.
As
there
are
more
comments
to
make
sure
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
so
Lizzy
I
see
you
have
your
hand
up.
Why?
Don't
you
go
ahead
and
kick
us
off?
We've
got
some
suggested
topics
here,
but
you
can
springboard
anywhere.
You
want
to
foreign.
P
Accessible
space
is
wonderful
and
I
think
that
all
the
best
places
that
I've
visited
have
a
ton
of
publicly
accessible
space
on
the
street
and
yeah
I.
Just
I.
Just
love
that
and
appreciate
that
that's
being
considered.
K
Yeah
that
looked
really
the
designs
looked
really
great
I.
Just
since
a
lot
of
people
are
getting
out
of
town,
designing
these
structures,
probably
large
contractors
or
companies
I-
would
like,
if
there's
any
way
to
say
sunshine,
sunshine
and
more
Sunshine,
that
people
don't
understand
how
cold
it
can
be
in
Humble
County
and
when
I
was
trying
to
build
our
home.
So
many
designs
would
put
you
know
the
garage
south
facing
and,
and
so
just
is
there's
a
way
to
say,
hey
those
are
of
you
designing.
K
You
know
these
beautiful
ideas
that
make
sure
we
get
the
south
facing
for
the
city.
You
know
I
mentioned
this
for
the
you
know
in
the
first
breakout
that
let
them
know
that
Sunshine
is
a
premium
here
and
people
aren't
don't
need
Chase.
T
T
T
As
as
far
as
the
way,
the
form-based
code
is
going
to
work
with
the
buildings
that
are
four
stories
and
laughs,
are
you
still
going
to
be
requiring
open
space?
For
those
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
like
the
swirl
building
with
that
little
playground
in
the
back
or
what?
Where
are
you
going
to
go
at
that?
I
I?
Think
that
you
know
the
the
importance
of
this
open.
Open
space
concept
should
come
into
play
and
well.
T
A
Yeah,
so
the
the
base
tier
for
four-story
buildings
has
no
requirement
for
publicly
accessible
open
space
under
this
current
version.
So
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
if
I
could
make
the
logical
jump
Chris?
Is
that
you'd
like
to
see
something
starting
at
four
stories.
T
Yeah
I
would
think
with
any
form-based
code.
It
should
be
representative
of
all.
You
know
there
should
be
something
written
in
not
even
with
with
open
space,
but
with
all
of
the
different
things
that
you're
doing
on
the
lower
buildings,
and
it's
a
form-based
code
going
to
be
completely
innate
alienated
from
the
lower
buildings,
or
is
that
going
to
be
part
of
how
it's
drawn
into
that?
A
A
O
Like
you're,
giving
them
an
option
of
either
providing
money
for
a
public
space
or
operating
a
privately
owned
public
space,
which
they
would
then
have
to
maintain
and
the
desirability
of
that
for
the
community
or
for
the
the
government
basically,
is
that
they
don't
have
to
maintain
it
for
being
private
company.
Does?
O
Can
you
set
standards
for
maintenance?
Then,
if
that's
going
to
happen
and
if
you
collect
fees
instead,
where
are
you
going
to
put
the
Open
Spaces
and
we
already
have
the
11th
Street,
11th,
Street
pathway
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
considered
as
part
of
having
public
available
space
and
should
be
developed
as
such,
so
I.
A
Thank
you,
Sherry.
G
Surrounding
buildings
that
were
three
stories,
or
maybe
four
with
a
setback
and
I-
think
that,
to
better
inform
this
discussion,
we
should
have
had
seven
stories
examples
of
seven
story:
buildings
on
each
side,
with
the
publicly
shared
space
in
between,
because
these
are
not
representative
of
what
we're
discussing
and-
and
these
are.
These
are
very
pleasant
spaces,
but
they're
not
like
what
what's
being
proposed,
which
is
some
shared
space
next
to
a
seven-story
building,
and
we
also
should
designate
on
what
side
of
the
street
it
should
be
on
for
solar
shading
issues.
S
S
Second,
you
say
that
they're
going
to
be
linked
together,
how
I
mean,
but
by
the
road
itself
or
by
other
paths,
any
clue
when
the
whatever
you
want
to
call
the
park
or
the
plaza
size,
space
we're
wearing
Inflatables
would
be
built,
I
mean,
could
that
be
in
10
years
or
20
years
or
30
years
in
terms
of
the
in-lu
fees
question
of
how
many
dollars
that
would
be
and
to
me
an
in
Luffy
defeats
the
entire
purpose
of
having
a
park.
S
If
it's
in
an
alternate
location,
then
it
is
not
for
the
people
who
live
in
the
Gateway
area.
The
illustrations
I'll
make
make
a
point
that
has
to
look
like
it's
not
private.
The
first
illustration
seemed
like
it
was
a
private
Plaza
for
those
buildings,
the
other
ones,
look
fine
and
the
picture
of
Paseo
Nuevo
and
San
Barbara.
That's
what
I
envisioned
for
L
Street
for
the
L
Street
linear
park
with
small
shops
on
the
perimeters.
S
A
Okay,
that
was
a
lot
not
sure
I
tracked,
all
that
and
I'm
probably
not
going
to
be
able
to
respond
back
to
everything
but
yeah
I
think
the
you
know
the
key
points.
You
know
the
idea
that
open
space
Open
Spaces
be
linked
and
some
of
those
would
be
linked
through
you
know
Trails
some
of
them
would
be
linked
through.
A
A
We
got
through
our
first
round
our.
Are
there
folks
who'd
like
to
reflect
back
on
something
you
heard?
A
A
T
Rebecca
hasn't
spoke:
why
don't
you
let
her
go
first,
I'll
I'll
follow
up.
If
you
don't
mind
all.
V
Or
use
dictate
how
much
open
space
is
required
to
be
planned
for
and
how
that
would
yeah.
If
you
can
go
to
that
graph,
that
would
be
helpful,
I'm
just
curious.
If
there's
how
how
this
would
work,
I
mean
we
don't
know
what
type
of
development
is
actually
gonna
happen
like
what
you
know
what
specific
proposals
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
would
be
anything
written
in
that,
would
make
sure
that
there's
some
Community
open
space,
even
if
most
developers
end
up
developing
Force
story.
V
You
know
within
an
area
where
there's
no
nothing,
there's
nothing
required
like
less
than
30
000
square
feet
and
four-story
buildings.
If
there
would
be
some
way
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
that
that
they're,
that
doesn't
result
in
in
very
many.
A
You
know
yeah
no
public,
open
space,
yeah,
yeah
I.
Think
that
there's
a
you
know.
This
is
overlay
on
top
of
our
existing
Recreation
fee
for
new
construction
and
so
there's.
Basically,
one
percent
of
the
value
of
a
building
is
already
assessed
to
every
project,
so
this
would
be
above
and
and
on
top
of
that
and
I
think
to
a
point
that
was
made
earlier.
A
You
know
how
do
you
ensure
that
these
dollars
are
spent
in
the
area
where
you
know
where
they're
needed,
where
these
new
people
are
coming?
Certainly,
for
you
know
the
the
in
Luffy.
If
one
were
requested
and
accepted
those
would
absolutely
be
spent
in
the
area.
It's
a
little
trickier
to
get
the
recreation
fee
for
new
construction
to
be
spent
in
a
specific
location.
A
You
know
you
can't
can't
Cordon
those
dollars
off,
but
there
are
multiple
funding
sources
for
Parks,
and
so
that's
that's.
One
thing
is
that
we
would
ensure
that
there
are
Park
facilities
being
built
in
that
area
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
reflect
back
on
the
streetscape
design.
A
There
are
in
almost
every
situation,
there's
going
to
be
a
you
know,
some
public
space
created
on
private
property.
It
gives
us
the
setbacks
that
we'll
need
for
that
solar
access
that
so
many
people
have
mentioned,
and
it's
it's
really.
The
only
way
to
do
it
with
the
size
of
our
our
rights
of
way.
V
T
Yeah,
just
again
with
me
always
a
little
bit
off
track,
but
let's
talk
about
the
linear
Park
as
far
as
that
main
thoroughfare
that
we
go
through,
that
would
add
open
space
to
that
entire
area.
I
mean
it
would
be
an
obvious
Advantage
for
developers
if
something
like
that
was
created
while
you're
doing
this.
T
Q
A
T
Like
the
the
whole
concept
of
the
linear
Park,
if
that
was
to
be
created
as
a
huge
open
space
area
that
would
go
through
this
whole
District
I
mean
that
would
be
an
advantage
for
developers
with
what
they're
doing
at
Advantage
for
the
public,
Etc
and
I
I'm.
Just
curious
I,
don't
know
if
you're
willing
to
go
on
record
and
talk
about
where
you
guys
are
at
with
that
Concept
in
the
relationship
to
developers
having
to
provide
open
space
and
all
that.
A
Okay,
I'm
I'm,
trying
to
read
between
the
lines
a
little
bit
here.
Chris,
are
you
referring
to
the
and
and
we
may
need
to
you
know,
cut
and
go
go
to
next
next
person,
but
are
you
referring
to
L
street
as
a
linear
Park,
as
opposed
to
a
a
driving
Road.
T
A
Yeah
absolutely
so
so
part
of
the
concept
with
you
know,
the
linear
Park
is
to
expand
the
trail.
That's
existing
there
so
that
properties
that
are
along
L
Street.
You
know
one
of
the
community
site-specific
community
benefits
that
we
would
look
for.
You
know
along
L
street
is
that
as
these
properties
redevelop,
that
they
actually
carve
out
a
little
bit
more
space
so
that
that
that
trail
becomes
a
little
more
spacious
and
or
you
know,
add
Park
amenities.
A
You
know
little
exercise
spaces,
that
sort
of
thing
to
that
space
and
that's
one
way
that
those
in-lu
fees
could
be
used
if
the
properties
being
developed
that
isn't
along
L
street
or
properties
that
are
long
L
Street
could
actually
contribute
directly
to
that.
In
that
way,
so
you
know
I
think
whether
L
street
is
opened
up
for
through
traffic
or
not.
You
know,
I
think
that
there
is
an
interest
you
know
in
the
community
of
expanding.
You
know
the
footprint
of
that
trail
and
making
it
more
more
useful.
A
T
For
the
developers
to
pay
money
rather
than
give
up
a
bit
of
space
for
their
development
project
would
be
definitely
enhanced
if
we
could
create
that
that
linear
Park
so
anyway,
thank
you
for
talking
about
that
appreciate.
It.
O
O
That
was
developed
way
back
when
so
I
think
it'd
be
terribly
useful
if
you
would
actually
undertake
that
design
as
an
alternative
to
just
being
a
one-way
Street
going
south
parallel
to
K
Street,
and
let
us
actually
consider
that
the
Transportation
safety
board
transportation
committee
has
actually
recommended
that
this
be
done
and
I'd
like
to
hear
actually
have
a
design.
So
we
could
look
and
see
what
it
would
look
like
and
and
make
the
specifications
for
the
kinds
of
buildings
we
would
like
to
encourage
be
designed
there,
whether
it's
opened
up
or.
A
Any
other
Reflections
folks
are
having
comments.
They
want
to
make
back
about
something
you've
heard
or
any
of
the
designs
that
we've
looked
at.
S
Yes,
a
question
about
the
the
map.
That's
on
the
screen
now
the
conceptual
open
space
plan
with
the
red
border.
What
does
that
mean
private,
open
space,
the
only
area
in
Gateway,
whether
it
be
private,
open
space
or
the
largest
area?
And
then
also
do
you
have
any
feeling
at
all
for
the
timeline
on
developing
that
the
large
Plaza
area
in
the
barrel?
District
thanks.
A
Oh
right,
yeah-
that
was
one
of
your
questions
previously
this
is
this
is
maybe
mislabeled
I
think
we
need
to
clarify
this.
This
is
publicly
accessible
private,
open
space,
so
all
projects
within
this
boundary
would
be
required
to
have
publicly
accessible
private
open
space.
Park
projects
outside
of
that
area
could
elect
to
through
the
benefits
program,
but
these
would
be
required
to
as
it's
currently
envisioned
you
know,
this
boundary
could
be
modified.
There's
a
lot
of
parcels
here
that
are,
you
know,
you
know,
probably
higher
potential
for
development
Redevelopment.
A
C
You
are
with
me
again
for
this
last
group
to
talk
about
open
space
and
zoom
is
doing
very
interesting
things
to
me
tonight.
B
C
Okay,
all
right
so
I
think
we
have
a
couple
of
people
with
hands
raised.
I.
Think
we'll
just
jump
right
in
I!
Think
if
I'm
pronouncing
this
right,
reylina.
I
Yeah
thanks
Ben
cool.
Well,
thanks,
there's,
definitely
a
lot
I'll
be
considerate
of
other
people's
time
as
well,
so
specifically
with
the
open
space
required
I'm
wondering
if,
rather
than
looking
at
it
as
a
community
benefit,
there's
a
stipulation
in
terms
of
funding
going
towards
public
art,
Within
These
spaces.
So
you
know,
for
instance,
two
percent
of
development
costs
go
towards
public
art,
Within
These
spaces,
regardless
of
Building
height,
there's
some
other
other
questions.
I
have
but
I'll
I'll
pass
it
off
from
now.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
that
that
is
certainly
on
our
list,
so
Anthony,
why
don't
you
go
next.
Q
Thank
you.
I
really
do
appreciate
that
y'all
are
taking
some
time
to
consider
lighting
as
far
as
the
new
developments
go
and
I
appreciate
the
ideas
of
having
open
space
designated
and
different
ideas.
You
know,
regulations
about
that.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
voice
my
support
for
the
L,
Street,
linear,
Park
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
aspect
of
this
entire
cell.
As
far
as
getting
the
city
and
everyone
to
support
the
Gateway
area
plan
is
really
considering
the
L
Street
linear
Park,
as
opposed
to
the
truck
route.
R
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about
not
Paving
everything
and
and
the
the
problem
that
that
will
create
with
runoff
and
and
that
I
know
that
Portland
has
some
really
Innovative
development
rules
about
only
allowing
a
certain
percentage
of
a
property
to
be
covered
in
pavement
or
building
that
there
has
to
be.
You
know,
Green,
infrastructure
and,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in
there
I
I
think
that
it
would
be.
E
E
The
fear
is
high
that
we
could
end
up
with
just
so
much
building
massing
and
you
know
and
bonuses,
and
you
know
and
ground
floor
coverage
that
we'd
lose
our
Open
Spaces
I,
think
Anthony
bringing
up
L,
Street
I
know
it's
not
the
focal
point,
but
it
there
are
a
lot
of
Open
Spaces
that
stand
to
be
lost
along
that
court
or
if
it
is
paved
over
the
road
and
then
I
do
want
to
jump
back
to
in
Luke,
Park
and
Luffy's.
C
Yeah
great
well,
thanks
for
thanks
for
that
and
I
haven't
talked
to
the
city
about
it,
but
you
know
when
I,
when
I've
worked
on
projects
like
this
and
other
places,
there
has
always
been
sort
of
the
desire
and
the
commitment
for
fees
collected
within
a
specific
area
to
be
used
only
for
projects
within
that
area.
So
I,
you
know
I
think
having
Clarity
on
that
will
be
important.
J
I
I
have
a
couple
things
that
I
wanted
to
I'll
just
kind
of
do
a
checklist
on
what
I
wanted
to
add
definitely
want
to
yes
to
Wendy
of
not
overpaving
the
area.
I
know,
there's
a
network
of
wetlands
in
that
area,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
interconnective
wetland
and
some
type
of
wildlife
Corridor
of,
if
possible,
to
stay
in
there
and
it
you
know
water
runoff
too,
is
kind
of
a
concern.
J
Another
thing
is:
it
would
be
really
nice
on
these
presentations
to
have
examples
of
seven
like
six,
five,
six,
seven
stories,
possibly
eight
stories,
so
we
just
kind
of
know
what
we're
looking
at
on
height
and
so
future
ones.
Yeah
it'd
be
nice
to
see
kind
of
something
that's
corresponding
with
what's
going
to
be
brought
into
the
gateway.
J
Another
one
is
I
agree
in
Luffy
should
remain
within
the
Gateway
area
as
much
as
possible
and
and
then
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
Courtyards
and
that
are
accessible
to
the
public
and
and
having
a
variety
of
things.
That
kind
of
Link
together
and,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
put
in
my
plug
for
the
L
Street,
Lanier,
Park
I,
think
Courtyards
could
kind
of
face,
like
private
Courtyards
could
kind
of
face
that
public
linear
Park
along
all
Street
and
kind
of
make
some
really
interesting
Pockets.
C
F
I
Awesome
yeah
a
little
third.
What
Wendy
said
about
you
know
not
Paving
everything
not
to
get
too
specific,
but
I'm
sure
there
will
be.
You
know,
encouragement
to
do
Native
species
and
maybe
even
redwoods,
rather
than
tiny,
tiny
Landscaping
trees.
You
know
they
all
have
to
be
tiny
in
the
beginning.
What
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
stipulating
that
we
don't
use
anti-homeless
features
within
our
community
spaces.
I
You
know,
I
understand
the
sentiment,
but
by
and
large
it's
just
uncomfortable
for
everyone.
So
if
we're
going
to
have
a
community
space,
the
benches
can
seat
people.
You
know
I
love
how,
in
the
plaza,
we
have
benches
that
face
one
another.
It's
such
a
great
way
to
facilitate
conversation
and
and
community,
so
stipulating
that
we're
taking
an
active
measure
against
anti-homeless
yeah
features
within
Community
spaces.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
thank
both
Wendy
and
relina
for
the
comment
about
not
Paving
over
everything
and
also
the
comment
about
not
creating
spaces
that
are
made
to
deter
homeless
people
from
hanging
out
there
or
anybody
at
a
certain
point,
but
I
also
wanted
to
bring
up
because
Wendy's
comment
reminded
me:
I
was
looking
into
this
earlier.
Arcade
is
so
far
away
from
thinking
about
this
sort
of
thing,
but
some
places
have
laws
against
how
many
people
you're
allowed
to
cram
in
a
certain
space
and
I.
Q
Think
that
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
there
are
very
good
reasons
for
those
laws.
As
far
as
safety
goes
comfort-
and
you
know,
we've
heard
from
the
fire
department
that
they
can't
protect
over
a
certain
amount
of
you
know,
a
certain
height
and
I
just
want
to
bring
up
the
San
Luis
Obispo
has
also
has
a
five-story
maximum
and
I
think
that
space
is
a
big
part
of
that.
You
know
the
the
school
wants
to
bring
so
many
people
here,
but
if
they
bring
so.
C
Q
Of
life
that
could
be
a
problem,
and
so
I
just
felt
encouraged
to
to
bring
that
up
when
hearing
the
cement
comment.
Thank.
C
Let's
see
so
who's
next,
how
about.
B
Windy,
you
have
something
more
to
add.
I.
R
Do
I
just
had
a
question,
I
mean
publicly
accessible,
can
mean,
go
in
and
sit,
and
then
it
can
mean
that
the
public
can
hold
an
event
or
collect
signatures
on
a
petition,
or
you
know
what
what
are
the
rules
in
terms
of
of
what
people
can
do
in
these
spaces?
C
You
know
I
think
that
it
would
that
that
is
a
good
question
and
I
will
make
a
note
to
put
together
some
accurate
information
on
that
I'm
a
little
bit
reluctant
to
say
anything.
That
turns
out
to
not
be
true,
but
that's
an
excellent
question.
C
I
think
you
know
it
might
depend
on
the
nature
of
the
space,
and
you
know
I
think
I
would
do
a
little
bit
of
research
into
how
other
communities
that
have
a
lot
of
these
spaces,
such
as
San,
Francisco
and
Oakland,
what
exactly
their
rules
are,
but
that
that
is
a
very
good
question
and
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
we'll
report
back
to
you
on
that.
E
Yeah
I
just
did
a
quick
addition
on
this
I
think
my
concern
is
that
if
we
do
rely
completely
on
on
Community
benefits
for
open
space,
then
at
that
point
we
fall
back
on
whatever
the
minimum
setback
standards
are
on
building
massing,
correct,
and
so,
if
there's
any
hope
for
adjustments
on
that,
that'll
need
to
move
forward
with
the
with
the
Planning
Commission
in
hopes
of
making
adjustments,
possibly
the
draft
if
it's
insufficient
as
far
as
Open
Spaces,
let
me
if
I've
got
it
wrong,
I
apologize,
but.
C
So
you
know
I
I,
think
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
so
that
this
open
space
requirement
is
really
would
be,
would
be
a
separate
thing
from
the
setbacks.
You
have
setbacks,
which
is
always
required
in
terms
of
the
distance
of
buildings
from
property
line,
and
this
would
be
something
that
would
be
in
addition
and
typically
would
be,
would
require
buildings
to
be
set
back
even
further
from
the
property
line,
at
least
for
a
partial
portion
of
the
lot.
If
that
answers
your
question,
yeah.
E
And
I
guess
to
clarify
it:
the
mainly
the
Open
Spaces,
we're
talking
about
I,
mean
I'm
and
I
and
I
think
it's
great
if
it
falls
properly
but
will
be
Community
benefits
and
anything
beyond
that
would
require
I.
Guess
the
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
the
policies
or
the
the
codes
at
that
point
as
far
as
anything
further
would
go
in
as
far
as
the
Open
Spaces
anyway,
hopefully,
I,
didn't
I.
Hope.
I
didn't
go
too
much
in
circles
on
that,
but
just
to
try
to
understand
it.
C
Yeah
yeah,
so
just
to
sort
of
reiterate.
This
would
be
in
addition
to
any
minimum
setback
requirement
and
it's
space
that
would
have
to
be
publicly
accessible
and
usable
and
designed
consistent
with
the
standards
and
in
many
cases,
would
necessitate
at
least
for
a
portion
of
the
property
Frontage.
A
building
setback.
Further
from
what
the
minimum.
E
Yeah
so
at
least
you
get
your
at
these
certain
levels
of
square
footage.
You'll
get
these
minimums
as
a
requirement,
so
there
is
something
there
prior
to
the
actual
Community
benefits.
Yes,
yeah
all
right,
thanks,
sorry,
if
I
I'm,
looking
back
at
the
at
the
table
now
and
it's
anyway
thank
you,
yeah.
C
It's
a
lot
to
it's
a
lot
to
digest
in
one
sitting,
but
I
think
we
have
a
couple
more
minutes
left
Patricia.
Did
you
have
more
that
you
wanted
to
add.
J
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
a
shout
out
or
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
put
in
a
need
for
covered
areas
in
Open
Spaces,
since
it
does
rain
so
much
and
so
like
things
for
like
music
venues
or
picnicking
or
such
like.
That's
for.
B
C
C
B
U
Ask
a
bit
about
the
the
linear
perk
when
people
say
linear,
Park,
I
assume
they
mean
not
having
any
cars
driving
on
L
Street.
Is
that
correct
and
make
it
all
Park,
but
I
have
to
say
that
as
an
older
person
who
may
end
up
living
in
the
Gateway
area,
I
don't
know
if
it'll
happen
fast
enough
for
me
to
get
there
in
time,
but
is
terrifying
for
me
to
Cross
K
Street,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
personally
am
excited
about.
U
O
U
Just
want
to
put
in
a
plug
for
that.
That's
where
I
go
when
I
think
about
walking
from
Gateway
to
the
plaza.
That's
my
big
concern
also
I
want
to
also
pile
on
with
the
not
Paving
everything,
but
if
you
have
a
lot
of
ground
in
these
Open
Spaces,
that
is
absorbing
rain
Etc,
which
is
really
great.
Please
also
consider
people
with
canes
wheelchairs
Etc,
who
do
need
a
solid
Pathway
to
get
across
wide
open
spaces,
so
be
sure
to
build
that
in
please.
C
That
is
perfect
timing
for
what
appears
to
be
the
imminent
closing
of
our
breakout
room.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
go
back
into
the
full
group.
C
I'm
gonna
give
some
information
about
the
online
survey.
They'll
be
emails,
sent
out
about
it
as
well,
to
give
you
more
opportunity
to
look
at
this
material
and
provide
additional
comments
and
then
in
the
wrap
up,
we'll
also
sort
of
summarize
some
of
the
major
themes
that
we
heard.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
C
What
I
was
saying
is
that
online
survey
I
encourage
you
to
take
a
look.
It
will
contain
all
of
the
information
you
saw
tonight.
C
You
will
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it
in
a
little
more
detail
if
you
want
to
do
that
and
provide
additional
comments,
which
we
very
very
much
appreciate,
we'll
send
out
an
email
to
everybody,
we'll
put
it
on
the
city's
website
in
terms
of
how
to
access
the
survey,
we
will
make
sure
that
everybody's
response
is
collected
and
report
it
back
and
the
survey
will
close
5
PM
on
March,
2nd,
so
you'll
have
a
full
week
to
do
this.
C
It's
not
too
much
material,
so
I
think
that's
doable
and
any
additional
comments
that
you're
able
to
provide
us
will
be
very
much
appreciated
as
we
work
to
further
develop
these
Concepts
and
take
them
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
work
session.
That's
scheduled
for
March
18th
and
that's
a
Saturday
and
so
I
wanted
to
say
that
to
make
sure
I
didn't
forget
and
to
give
everybody
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
go
to
this
if
they
want
it
to.
C
C
You
know
everybody
who
wasn't
in
a
particular
group
for
discussion
to
hear
what
some
of
the
other
groups
had
to
say
and
maybe
I'll
go
first
and
kind
of
kind
of
report
back
what
I
heard
and
I'm
actually
going
to
stop
share.
So
we
can
see
each
other's
faces
a
little
bit
better
and
I'm
going
to
go
backwards
in
terms
of
what
I
heard
I'm
first,
starting
with
the
open
space.
C
Think
one
of
one
of
the
common
themes
that
we
heard
is
the
desire
to
not
over
pave
Open
Spaces
in
the
Gateway
area,
making
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
maintaining
the
sort
of
existing
natural
environment
as
part
of
the
open
space,
Network
and
many
people
kind
of
emphasize
that
in
their
comments
and
repeated
that
you
know,
I
think
that
with
open
space,
that
was
probably
the
major
common
theme
and
something
that
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
liking
A
diversity
of
spaces,
considering
the
needs
of
persons
with
disabilities.
C
C
We
had
some
people
who
couldn't
resist
but
to
provide
comments
on
the
L
Street
linear
Park,
which
were
noted
as
well,
and
really
thinking
about
sort
of
impervious
surface
and
integrating
with
the
wildlife
corridors,
public
art
as
well,
and
how
that
could
be
integrated.
So
that's
sort
of
some
of
the
some
of
the
common
themes
about
open
space
and
then
moving
on
to
the
mobility
and
parking
we
spent
most
of
our
time.
C
Talking
about
the
minimum
and
maximum
parking
requirements,
in
fact,
I
think
that's
pretty
much
all
that
we
talked
about
and
I
think
we
heard
some
comments,
some
concerns
about
establishing
a
maximum
parking
being
something
that
a
developer
would
not
want
to
build
that
a
developer
would
decide
not
to
produce
housing
within
the
Gateway
area
because
they
felt
like
they
just
needed
to
provide
more
parking
than
the
maximum
that
was
allowed.
So
that
was
one
common
theme
that
we
heard
I.
C
Common
theme
that
we
heard
was
some
concern
about
increased
on-street
parking
spilling
over
into
neighbor
and
adjacent
neighborhoods,
resulting
from
new
residents
having
cars,
but
not
parking
them
on
site.
That
was
not
another
common
theme
that
we
heard
and
a
desire
for
the
plan
and
the
code
to
address
that
more
and
then
in
terms
of
the
streetscape
standards.
C
I.
Think
a
common
theme
was
a
lot
of
interest
and
excitement
behind
this
idea
of
creating
a
more
generous
public
realm
to
support
a
safe
and
active
pedestrian
space,
but
a
concern
about
the
devil
being
in
the
details
in
terms
of
exactly
what
those
dimensions
are
and
is
that
going
to
work
with
the
development
that's
allowed
and
existing
constraints
and
other
con
other
practical
considerations
such
as
fire
access
and
other
things
like
that,
and
then
also
the
fact
that
you
know
there's.
C
There
is
concern
among
some
in
the
community
about
the
plan
and
if
we're
also
saying
that,
oh
by
the
way,
you're
also
gonna
have
to
give
up
15
feet
of
your
property
Frontage
to
accommodate
wider
sidewalks.
Maybe
that
could
be
seen
as
further
creating
concern
within
the
community
about
the
plan.
So
those
were
some
of
the
themes
that
we
heard
and
really
appreciated
the
sort
of
range
and
sort
of
thoughtful
comments
that
we
received
so
maybe
I
hand
it
over
to
David.
F
C
A
Sure
yeah
thanks
Ben
and
it
was
good
to
hear
the
themes
that
came
out
of
your
group.
We
kind
of
did
a
random.
You
know
assortment
into
these
breakout
rooms,
and
so
you
know,
there's
there's
a
little
bit
of
mixing,
and
so
we
heard
similar
themes
so
I'm
really
going
to
just
focus
on
the
things
that
we
heard
in
our
room
that
you
know.
Maybe
you
you
haven't
covered
already
just
or
brevity,
but
we
did
hear
a
lot
of
those
same
themes
that
you
just
discussed.
A
I'll
I'll
go
backwards
from
where
you
at
I'll
start
with
with
the
streetscape
the
the
streetscape
you
know
is
you
know
it's
making
me
feel
like
we.
We
should
pay
a
lot
more
attention
to
the
streetscape
and
focus
more
energy
on
it,
because
the
first
couple
comments
that
came
out
were
nothing
but
positive,
all
for
it
like
it.
So
everybody
is
really
jazzed
about
streetscape
and
I
want
to
spend
more
time
where
people
are
jazzed.
A
There
were
some
concerns,
though
too.
You
know
the
devil
in
the
details
that
came
up
in
our
group,
but
there
were
also
concerns
that
you
know
there
was
a
question
about
whether
these
are
standards.
Or
is
this
part
of
the
public
benefit
program?
And
so
we
clarified
that
those
are
standards,
but
the
streetscape
was,
you
know,
pretty
active
conversation,
mostly
positive,
I.
Think
people
are
really
interested
in
in
seeing
that
come
out
and
recognizing
it'll
be.
A
You
know,
challenging
to
to
actually
do,
especially
when
you
have
multiple
owners
on
a
block
for
for
parking.
We,
our
group,
went
really
all
over
the
place.
A
Didn't
spend
a
whole
lot
of
time
on
the
standards,
as
your
group
did,
but
a
lot
of
questions
came
up
about
the
equity
associated
with
unbundling
the
parking
and
requiring
payment
for
parking,
and
that
came
out
in
a
couple
of
different
ways,
and
there
were
some
ideas
for
how
to
resolve
some
of
those
Equity
issues,
including
trying
to
find
ways
to
limit
the
total
amount
that
could
be
charged
for
unbundled
parking.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
EV
charging
and
why
don't?
We
have
a
requirement
that
all
parking
spaces
be
ready
or
EV
Charters,
with
this
thought
in
mind
that
you
know.
Eventually,
all
cars
are
going
to
be
EVs
and
you
won't
have
gas
engines
anymore.
A
There
were
a
lot
of
ideas
around
you
know,
setting
a
map,
I'm,
sorry
I
covered
that
requiring
indoor
bike
storage
and
some
questions
around
how
to
use
alternative
modes
were
going
to
work,
but
in
general
people
did
appreciate
the
you
know
the
what
was
presented
in
this
section
and
we're
we're
fairly
positive
about
it.
We
were
able
to
clear
up
a
couple
of
points
of
confusion
in
what
was
presented
and
that
broadly
covers
it.
A
When
we
got
to
the
open
space
again,
people
were
really
appreciative
of
this
concept.
Of
you
know,
requiring
public
open
space.
There
were
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
it
would
work
in
practice.
Some
clarification
on.
You
know
what
figure
seven
means,
how
the
red
outlined
area
and
figure
seven
would
work
when
these
properties
would
be
or
when
the
open
space
would
be
developed
in
those
kinds
of
questions.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
talk.
This
came
up
multiple
times
about
making
sure
that
these
spaces
are
appropriately
located
on
a
parcel.
You
know
in
terms
of
solar
access,
recognizing
that
you
know
we're
not
in
Santa
Barbara
and
it
gets
cold
in
the
shade.
Here
there
were
questions
about
whether
there
would
be
maintenance
standards
for
these
publicly
accessible
open
spaces
and
how
we
would
ensure
that
these
spaces
stay.
A
You
know
as
appropriate
spaces
for
the
the
public
to
to
be
able
to
visit.
There
was
some
appreciation,
for
you
know,
making
sure
that
these
were
visible
and
connected
to.
You
know
the
the
rights
of
way
and
obvious.
A
You
know
publicly
accessible
spaces,
and
then
there
was
a
you
know,
a
critique
of
the
way
that
we
presented
the
material,
noting
that
none
of
the
buildings
that
we
showed
in
these
Graphics
reflected
seven-story
buildings
and
how
those
spaces
would
be
designed.
If
you
did
have
you
know
much
larger
buildings,
so
I
think
that
that
covers
the
broad
range.
A
Obviously,
there
were
a
lot
more
detailed
and
nitty-gritty
ideas
that
came
out
of
those,
but
that
that
kind
of
spans,
the
the
big
picture,
themes
that
I
wrote
down
and,
of
course
we
are
going
to
have
these.
You
know
we
recorded
the
breakout
rooms.
So
that's
going
to
be
beneficial
as
well.
C
So
thank
you
for
that
David
and
just
a
reminder
in
terms
of
next
steps.
We
have
the
online
survey
we'll
be
sending
out
links
to
that.
Definitely
encourage
you
to
provide
additional
comments.
Look
at
the
materials
more
that's
going
to
close
5
p.m,
March,
2nd!
C
So
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
additional
comments
there
and
then,
after
that
Saturday
March
18th
in
the
morning
there
will
be
a
Planning
Commission
work
session
where
we're
going
to
take
some
more
we're
going
to
do
some
more
work,
based
on
what
we've
heard,
bring
some
more
detailed
materials
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
provide
us
with
their
feedback.
O
That's
how
it
is
I
wanted
to
know
when
those
recordings
would
be
available
of
the
upload
session,
the
breakout
rooms
and
where.
A
O
A
I
think
Ben.
Can
you
talk
I
think
you
were
proposing
to
do
a
little
bit
of
post-production?
Is
that
correct.
B
C
Out,
but
we
can,
we
can
provide
links
to
those
if
that's
something
that's
desired.
G
A
Okay,
we'll
consider
that
and
we'll
we'll
try
and
get
up
as
quickly
as
possible,
we'll
send
out
notification
that
it's
up
on
the
website
through
our
e-notification.
So
if
you're
not
signed
up
for
e-notifications,
please
sign
up
for
that
Fred
did
you
have
a
clarifying
question
as
well?
Well,.
S
A
very
strong
recommendation
that
this
be
put
up
immediately,
even
tomorrow,
it
needs
to
be
referenced
and
the
send
out
an
e-notification
that
there
will
be
a
survey
the
last
one.
There
wasn't
the
notification
until
just
a
couple
days,
three
days
before
the
survey
closed.
The
notification
for
this
had
said
nothing
about
the
survey.
None
of
the
press
releases
said
anything
about
a
survey,
so
we
have
a.
We
have
one
week
to
get
the
survey
out.
S
Notifications
should
go
out
tomorrow
and
if,
if
even
if
you
can
send
or
make
available
access
to
this,
just
for
the
people
who
are
on
here
for
reference,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
finished.
You
know
we
can
acknowledge
that
it's
a
rough
unedited
form,
but
but
we
aren't
allowed
to
report
it.
So
you
should
Supply
effects.
S
A
A
Tell
you
what
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
I'm,
sorry
I'm
gonna
interrupt
real
quick
here,
we're
we're
going
to
get
the
material
up
as
soon
as
we
can.
We
will
send
out
a
notification
when
it's
up-
and
you
know
I-
will
take
these
considerations.
These
suggestions
into
consideration,
we're
not
going
to
commit
to
anything
right
here
in
in
the
meeting,
but
we'll
attempt
to
to
address
the
the
concerns
that
you've
raised.
I
think
those
are
really
good
points.
C
Yes
and
so
I'll
Echo
that,
and
also
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
be
with
us
tonight,
I
know
that
we
ask
a
lot
of
you
in
terms
of
your
participation
and
but
it
is
very
important
and
very
valuable
and
definitely
very
much
appreciated.
So
thank
you.
Look
forward
to
hearing
your
additional
thoughts
in
the
online
survey
and
seeing
you
at
future
events,
so
I
think
with
that
we
will
adjourn
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
evening
and
we'll
see
you
soon.
Thank.