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A
B
A
The
new
staff
liaison
for
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
today
is
today's
date
is
August
21st
2023.
It
is
706
pm
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
pass
it
off
to
Cynthia
the
chair
of
the
BAC.
C
Hi
I'm
Cynthia
Palmer
and
it's
good
to
see
at
least
a
few
people
here.
I
know
this
is
not
our
usual
day
or
even
time
of
the
month,
but
I
was
glad
that
we
could
get
at
least
one
one
day
in
August
and
extra
thanks
to
those
who
joined
us
for
the
BAC
happy
hour
last
month,
I
thought
that
was
a
big
success.
C
It's
always
really
good
to
see.
People
in
person
and
the
the
conversations
are
sometimes
more
revealing
than
what
gets
recorded.
E
I'm
not
cleaning
any
dishes,
but
maybe
someone
can
mute
and.
C
And
so
one
thought
was
I
assuming
that
we
keep
holding
these
meetings
online,
which
has
some
advantages,
because
it
makes
them
more
accessible
to
more
people,
but
one
thought
is
to
hold
quarterly
happy
hours.
That
would
be
completely
optional
and
we
would
encourage
you,
know,
staff
and
and
any
BAC
people
and
friends
and
Pac
to
join
us
quarterly
for
happy
hours
around
different
parts
of
Arlington.
C
C
So
if
everyone
could
please
introduce
yourself
and
then,
if
you
would
like
suggest
a
question
or
an
issue
that
you
are
hoping
to
see
addressed
at
next
month's
backpack
discussion
on
traffic
signaling,
so
I
actually
have
a
whole
page
of
questions.
That
I
would
like
to
see
addressed
at
next
month's
signals
discussion,
so
I'm
gonna
go
last
and
and
just
add
whatever
has
not
been
mentioned.
C
So
why
don't
we
go
through
the
list
and
and
hear
your
names
and
what
suggestions
you
have
for
signaling
in
questions
about
signaling
in
Arlington
or
issues
you'd?
Like
to
discuss
in
that
next
meeting,
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
lists,
starting
at
the
top
with
Brian
Shelton.
F
G
Hey
everyone
call
your
cook:
Boston
Neighborhood
I
have
a
bunch
but
I'll
I'll
pass
for
now
so,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
for
asking.
C
Okay
and
and
like
to
email
me,
that
is
another
option,
because
we
will
be
compiling
these
and
I'm
going
to
send
them
to
the
team.
You
can
stay
Anonymous
and
do
it
behind
the
scenes
within
email
or
a
text
message
that
works
too
Dana.
H
Yeah
I
suppose
I
would
like
to
see
a
kind
of
a
Lessons
Learned
for
past
construction,
past
Arlington
construction
projects-
you
know
so
we
we
might
be
able
to
not
screw
it
up
twice.
C
Okay,
that
sounds
useful
David
Ansel.
I
Yeah,
this
may
be
an
obvious
yeah
I'm
David
Ansel.
Thank
you
Cynthia.
This
may
seem
like
an
obvious
one,
but
frequently
around
Arlington
and
different
parts
on
my
bike
and
at
too
many
intersections
when
it
turns
green,
the
it's
not
synced
up
with
you
know
it's
time
to
to
go
for
bikes,
there's
just
a
a
disconnect
at
too
many
intersections
a
big
picture
I
like
to
see
in
my
wildest
dreams,
cars
to
have
big
buttons
and
bikes
to
have
the
right
of
way,
but
maybe
that'll,
be
in
my
next
lifetime.
I
The
Green
Road
stripings,
that's
dedicated
to
bikes,
I,
think
that's
really
useful,
not
just
for
the
bicyclists,
but
also
I.
Think
it's
a
visual
cars
that
makes
makes
you
know
useful
and
I
I'd
like
to
see
us
have
more
of
those
at
especially
busy
cross
intersections.
A
Yeah
I'd
love
to
hear
a
discussion
about
lead
pedestrian
intervals.
It
seems
like
very
few
intersections
in
Arlington
have
them
which
give
the
people
crossing
the
street.
The
you
know
first
priority
to
cross
getting
a
head
start
before
Carson
go
been
interesting
to
hear
what
what
it
takes
to
get
those
installed
and
how
we
can
maybe
create
more
flexibility
to
get
them
installed.
More
county-wide.
J
Hi
I
think
one
thing
since
I'm
in
the
on
The
Pedestrian
committee
as
well,
I
think
I'll
mention
just
timing
for
crossing,
sometimes
I.
Think
the
timing
in
places
is
just
way
too
short
for
for
folks
to
get
across
some
of
the
intersections
and
I
know
there
are.
J
There
are
certain
rules
of
thumb
on
on
doing
that,
but
I
think
in
some
places
they're
just
not
enough
time
or
there
isn't
a
good
refuge
for
for
people
who
are
trying
to
cross
the
street
that
just
can't
cross
at
the
speeds
that
are
available
to
them.
Yes,
thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
Mike
Hannah,.
K
Yeah
Montana
Arlington
Heights
a
couple
things
just
to
follow
up
in
terms
of
the
lead
interval.
It
would
be
nice
to
know
what
the
criteria
is
for
setting
that
it
feels
like
it's
just
enough
time
for
someone
to
step
into
the
lane
for
the
car
to
get
the
green
and
turn
right
right
into
them.
They
seem
too
short.
K
The
other
thing
is,
it
would
be
nice
if
there
was
some
sort
of
labeling
on
intersections
to.
Let
us
know
whether
it
they're
on
timers.
They
I,
have
to
get
the
bike
up
over
the
curb
to
get
to
the
beg
button
or
if
they
have
the
the
electric
eyes
that
I
think
some
a
lot
of
them
have
now,
but
you
kind
of
pull
up
to
an
intersection
and
you're
guessing,
and
you
kind
of
wait
there
for
a
while
wondering
if
something's
going
to
happen
so
it'd
be
nice.
K
C
Really
good
point:
Kevin
O'brien.
D
Hey
everybody,
Kevin
O'brien,
Virginia
organizer,
with
the
Washington
area,
bicyclist,
Association
and
I.
Think
like
leading
pedestrian
interval,
should
just
be
standard
and
would
love
to
to
hear
how
we
really
can
can
make
that
make
that
happen.
D
C
Excellent
Leslie.
L
Hi
Leslie
tierstein
from
Penrose
this
thingy
is
something
I
loved,
going
up
and
down
Avenues
in
New
York
City,
a
special
light
just
for
bicycles.
That
indicates
when
you
have
a
turn
possibility
and
when
you
shouldn't
turn
or
when
you
should
go,
go
straight
or
stop
very
so
I
said
an
intersection
the
other
day
confused
because
it
was
a
bike
lane.
Only
in
my
direction
and
all
I
saw
was
a
pedestrian
signal
and
I
said:
oh,
what
am
I
supposed
to
do
here.
So
a
bike
signal
would
be
nice
if
appropriate,
great.
M
Hi
everyone
I'm
Nicole
Dean
I'm
joining
in
today
to
talk
about
one
of
my
sanitary
sewer
projects,
so
I'm
not
as
knowledgeable
on
this,
but
it's
been
really
great
hearing
all
the
biking
concerns
around
the
community.
Thanks
for
having
me
today,.
N
Can
you
hear
me:
okay,
yes,
Pam
van
Hein,
with
the
professional
advisory
committee
and
we've
sent
the
signaling
guy
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
already
a
lot
dealing
with
accessibility,
because
we've
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
that.
But
my
number
one
question
is
Barnes
dance
signaling,
because
I
love
them
and
I
want
to
know
how
that's
going
to
work
on
Route
1.
If
it's
that
grade.
O
I'd
just
like
to
say
second
what
Mike
said:
I
think
the
lead
time
on
The
Pedestrian
lead
signals
is
too
short
and
a
pedestrian,
barely
notices
that
anything
has
happened
and
the
cars
are
coming
and
on
the
indicators
on
there
should
be
indicators
everywhere.
Whether
The
Pedestrian
is
to
expect
anything
or
not,
because
otherwise
you
can
just
stand
there
or
you
always
have
to
press
the
beg
button.
So
I
I
would
agree
with
Mike
on
both
of
those.
P
Hello:
everyone
Raymond
Duran
with
bike,
Arlington
and
capital
Bike
Share.
My
question
would
be
at
the
intersection
of
the
W
no
D
and
Columbia
Pike.
That
intersection
during
the
whole
pandemic
was
like
a
automatic
crosswalk
signal
with
a
timer.
Now
it's
a
back
button
where
you
have
to
hit
the
button
to
get
a
crosswalk
I've
seen
people
stand
on.
P
You
know
at
that
intersection
for
two
light
cycles,
waiting
for
a
crosswalk
signal,
not
understanding
to
hit
the
button
and
then
I
recently
just
got
a
complaint
from
a
Arlington
resident
last
week
by
Garlington
of
the
same
situation,
he's
didn't
know,
hit
finally
hit
the
button
got
a
crosswalk
so
that
that's
my
question
for
that
intersection.
Q
Yeah
and-
and
actually
it
was-
we've
been
through
this
twice
in
the
past-
this
is
Steve
off
it,
where
we
got
the
county
to
put
it
on
automatic
recall,
because
that
is
the
way
it
should
be,
particularly
for
eastbound
traffic,
who
can't
see
the
traffic
signal
yeah
and
they
did
and
I
do
not
know
who
or
why
they've
gone
back,
but
this
was
something
that
had
been
agreed
upon
and
was
something
that
was
supposed
to
be
permanent
and
so
yeah
I
just
noticed
this
the
other
day
myself
and
was
relatively
irked.
P
Same
here,
I
know
it's
a
v-dot
road,
but
I
thought
the
county
controlled.
The
signals
I'm
not
sure,
we'll
we'll
find
out
no.
R
Hi
Aaron
schutz
I'm
in
the
lion,
Park
neighborhood
and
just
started
up.
R
My
bike
commute
again
up
to
Yorktown,
so
yay
back
to
school,
I'm
I'm
interested
in
using
signals
to
help
control
Behavior,
especially
speeding,
I,
know
VDOT
and
others
are
worried
about
throughput
how
many
cars
you
can
get
through
and
certain
roads
better
signaling
to
slow
the
average
speed
down
or
yeah
I'm
on
not
too
far
from
Washington
Boulevard
coming
up
from
Route
50
into
Clarendon,
and
you
know
70
miles
an
hour
is
not
unheard
of
and
we've
got
signals
there
that
you
could
change
them
more
often
and
make
it
safer
for
people
crossing
at
the
the
flashers
or
other
places.
R
So
do
something
be
you
know
for
safety,
not
just
for
throughput.
C
It
works
for
me
Steve.
Q
Hi
I'm
Steve,
offit
and
I'm
now
reporting
from
the
courthouse
area,
I
used
to
be
in
Penthouse
or
Pentagon
City,
I
should
say
so.
I
would
like
to
to
know
about
the
sensors,
so
the
the
little
white
cameras
are
supposed
to
pick
up
cyclists
who
are
at
the
intersections
and
they
by
and
large
do
but
every
once
in
a
while
I've
been
waiting.
You
know
for
a
left
turn
or
something
like
that,
and
it's
not
picking
me
up
and
I'm
mostly
going
to
be
curious
about.
Does
anyone
ever
check
this?
Q
Besides
waiting
for
someone
to
report
it
because
I
mean
I
could
report
it,
but
honestly
by
the
time
I
get
home,
I've
forgotten
and
then
it
just
never
gets
reported
and
never
gets
fixed.
So
is
there
a
system
for
making
sure
that
the
sensors
are
calibrated
and
working
properly
and
actually
do
pick
up?
You
know
vehicles
and
cyclists
and
everybody
else.
Q
So
that
was
one
thing
and
also
I'd
be.
This
is
a
more
specific
thing,
but
at
the
intersection
of
Doom,
I
really
think
that
the
no
right
on
red
signal
that
comes
on
needs
to
come
on
about
two
or
three
seconds
earlier,
because
you
know
the
right
turning
drivers
are
waiting,
waiting
waiting
and
then,
as
soon
as
they
see
the
traffic
slowing
down.
That's
when
they
turn
right,
which
is
exactly
the
time
that
the
traffic
starts
to
cross.
So
that's
a
specific
ask
I'm
looking
for,
but
I
just
experienced
that
literally
today.
Q
So
anyway.
Q
S
Hi
I'm
Zach
I
am
calling
in
today
from
the
Clarendon
Courthouse
neighborhood.
Oh
sorry,
let
me
open
my
camera.
You
know
so
many
great
things
have
already
been
mentioned.
I
on
the
on
the
subject
of
no
turn
on
red.
S
There
have
been
a
lot
of
signs
put
into
the
Clarendon
area
on
Clarendon
Boulevard
between
Clarendon
courthouse
I'm,
actually
curious
about
the
placement
of
those
signs,
because
I
find
that
when
I'm
driving
I
I
know
that
there's
no
turn
on
red,
but
the
signs
are
not
super
visible
and
I'm
wondering
if
it's
poor
placement
that
makes
drivers
all
ignore
those
signs
or
simply
they're
not
used
to
them,
and
there
needs
to
be
enforcement,
but
definitely
they're
the
placement
of
those
signs.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
this-
is
super
helpful
and
I'm
gonna
write
this
all
up
and
I'm
gonna
combine
my
own
questions,
some
of
which
have
to
do
with
asking
the
county.
If
we
can
have
their
signal
Maps
like
do
they
have
a
map
for
lights
for
signals
that
have
that
are
on
LPI.
Do
they
have
a
map
for
for
signals
that
are
that
require
the
beg
buttons?
C
It
would
be
great
if
there
is
data
if
we
can
have
a
look
and
see
some
of
the
patterns,
but
I
will
come,
I
will
compile
a
list
of
all
our
questions
and
I
know
that
the
PAC
has
a
list.
So
among
us
we
will
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
next
month
on
the
13th,
with
the
with
the
signal
crew
from
Arlington
County.
C
A
A
Basically,
the
transportation
planning
capital
projects,
management
team,
I'm,
basically
serving
as
the
liaison
since
the
last
staff
member
Leah
Gerber
just
left
the
county
that
this
past
June
for
folks
don't
know
she
just
accepted
a
fellowship
in
Germany,
so
she's.
Currently
in
Berlin
as
we
speak,
taking
German
classes
before
she
starts
her
Fellowship
as
part
of
a
program
should
be,
he
might
come
back.
A
But
it's
it's
on
a
clear
because
it's
a
year-long
project
program
for
him,
but
regardless
I'm
here
for
you
guys
I'm
the
new
staff
liaison
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
live
in
Northeast
DC
I'm,
originally
from
Florida,
but
I've
worked
all
over
the
place
used
to
work
from
Montgomery
County
for
a
few
years
before
that,
I
was
working
for
the
city
of
Nashville
I've,
been
here
since
since
last
October.
A
So
almost
a
year
Beyond
here
as
a
resource
as
a
spiritual
guide
for
you
guys,
whatever
you
guys
need,
feel
free
to
shout.
L
A
Don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
because
I
know
Nicole
is
waiting
for
us,
so
I
guess
I'll
pass
it
off
to
clinical
for
her
project.
C
M
Yeah,
thank
you
thanks.
So
much
for
having
me
so
yeah
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
super
project
and
potential
bike
impacts,
so
I'll
just
introduce
myself.
First
again,
I'm
Nicole
Dean,
actually
I'll
be
changing
my
last
name
to
Proto
as
of
very
recently
so,
if
y'all
email
me
and
see
Dean
Proto,
that's
why?
But
I
am
an
engineer
in
the
water
sewer
streets
Bureau,
specifically
in
the
sewer
streets
team,
so
I
help
manage
our
sanitary
sewer
projects.
More
specifically,
this
that
run
deep
sanitary
super
lining.
M
That's
coming
up,
so
the
other
night
I
can
start
to
share
my
screen.
It'll
just
be
easier
if
I
walk
you
through
that
way.
M
Yep
awesome,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share.
First
I
saw
on
the
agenda.
The
link
is
there,
which
is
great,
but
we
do
have
a
website
for
this
project.
If
you
just
go
to
Google
and
type
like
Spot,
Run
sewer
it'll
come
up
very
easily.
So
if
you
don't
have
the
link
or
remember,
if
you
just
typed
spell
room
sewards,
it's
very
easy
to
get
to
the
website.
M
My
contact
information
is
on
here
that
will
be
changing
to
our
construction
managers
contract
contact
soon,
once
the
project
starts
construction,
but
right
now,
mine's
on
here
and
so
kind
of
like
I
just
want
to
introduce
you
all
to
the
project
a
little
bit.
So
the
Spot
Run
sewer
it
is
about
3,
400,
linear,
repeat
long,
it's
33
inches
of
diameter.
So
it's
a
large
diameter
sewer
trunk.
M
It
was
built
back
in
like
the
late
1930s,
it's
about
like
86
87
years
old.
We
did
an
inspection
of
the
Sewer
back
in
2019.
You
can
see
some
pictures
on
our
website.
You
can
see
some
cracks
info
filtration
some
exposed
rocks.
It
had
exposed
rebar
and
others.
So
basically
we
want
to
rehabilitate
the
pipe.
M
The
location
of
this
pipe
I'll
show
you
kind
of
on
Google
Maps.
It
starts
up
at
Scotland,
Parkway
and
runs
kind
of
over
to
North
Nash.
It
runs
out
under
Langston,
Boulevard
and
I-66.
It
gets
up
to
like
115
feet
deep
at
points.
M
You
can
see
that
on
this
profile
that
we
have
on
our
website
here,
so
it
gets
really
deep.
So
I
think
it
was
installed
by
like
tunneling
or
something
back
in
the
day.
Don't
know
who
decided
to
do
that,
but
so
yeah.
So
in
order
to
rehabilitate
the
sewer
it's
one
of
our
critical
sewers,
it
carries
a
lot
of
flow.
M
M
Oh
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
message
wasn't
for
me,
sorry
so
yeah
so
in
order
and
so
lining
will
extend
the
life
of
the
pipe
at
least
another
50
years
up
to
100
years,
we've
been
seen
in
other
projects,
so
it'll
structurally
fix
the
pipe
and
extend
the
life
of
it
for
a
while.
But
in
order
to
do
this
Rehabilitation
we
have
to
bypass
the
flow
it's
called,
so
we
have
to
redirect
the
flow
kind
of
build
a
temporary
pipe
to
direct
the
flow.
M
While
we
fix
this
pipe
up
because
we
can't
have
any
flow
in
it.
While
we
do
this
and
sorry
one
more
quick
background
thing,
quick
lesson
for
anybody
who
wants
to
know
a
little
bit
about
it
so
relining.
Basically
it's
this
fabric.
That's
kind
of
like
soaked
in
resin
and
it's
dragged
through
the
pipe.
Then
we
run
hot
water
through
it
to
expand
it
and
cure
it,
Harden
it
to
the
existing
pipe
and
that's
kind
of
the
whole
process.
M
So
that's
why
we
need
the
flow
out
of
there
and
also
so
that
we
can
continue
sanitary
sewer
service
for
others,
so
the
project
is
anticipated
to
start
in
a
few
weeks
we
are
hoping
to
start
September
11th
that
week
we
too
have
we
got
the
VDOT
permit
for
this
project.
M
We
are
still
working
on
the
MPS
permit,
which
we
expect
to
receive
soon.
So,
hence
that's
the
reason
we
plan
on
starting
that
week.
It
may
be
delayed
a
little
bit,
but
at
this
point
we
do
think
we
should
be
able
to
start
it
fairly
soon.
It's
September!
So
that's
why
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
all
about
it
so
yeah
and
it
should
last
till
the
beginning
of
March.
Approximately
so
I'll
show
you
guys
the
bypass
for
this
project.
M
M
So
we
have
this
bypass
pipe.
It's
shown
in
the
red
I'll
be
updating
this
image
on
the
website.
Just
so,
you
all
know
we'll
be
updating
the
website
periodically
throughout
the
project
so
that
you
guys
will
have
continuous
updates
on
it.
We'll
also
be
sending
out
letters
and
notifications
and
such
so
that
all
communities
nearby
and
anyone
who
wants
to
check
in
the
project
will
be
updated,
so
ignore
these.
These
don't
exist
just
the
red
line.
M
So
this
red
line
is
where
we'll
be
placing
temporary
pipe
for
our
our
temporary
bypass
it'll,
be
HDPE,
it'll
be
welded
together
and,
as
you
follow
this
red
line
you
can
see.
This
is
why
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
all
today
is
the
bypass
kind
of
impacts,
the
trail
at
several
points,
but
minimally
I'll
walk
you
through
kind
of
what
to
expect
so
here's
custis
Trails,
so
we've
got
up
at
Spot,
Run
Parkway.
M
It
starts
to
run
down
through
North
Courthouse,
past
North,
Ewell,
past
21st,
Street
North,
and
we're
aware
of
the
VDOT
Bridge
Project
around
here
they
will
conflict
through
this
grass
area
and
then
on
the
side
of
custis
Trail,
so
the
bypass
pipe
will,
for
the
most
part,
run
above
ground.
So
all
along
this
grass
area
here
it'll
just
be
sitting
on
the
ground.
M
M
We'll
start
with
this
first
place
where
it
will
impact.
Oh
sorry,
go
ahead,
okay,
so
yeah.
So
this
first
input
place
where
there
will
be
an
impact,
is
we'll
be
building
starting
up.
Sorry
we'll
actually
be
building
starting
at
Nash
back
to
here.
So
this
will
be
kind
of
later
in
the
project
it'll
take
about
two
months
to
set
up
the
bypass,
so
this
will
probably
be
later
in
the
fall.
So
luckily
it'll
be
a
little
colder.
M
Hopefully,
less
bike
activity
at
the
time,
so
we'll
stay
out
of
y'all's
way,
but
it'll
be
easier
for
me
to
show
it
on
here
this
near
map
right
here
and
actually
let
me
kind
of
go
back
a
month,
so
there's
less
trees.
So
it's
this
access
path
here,
right
off
the
20th,
Road
North,
so
we'll
be
burying
the
pipe
under
here
that
work
will
take
a
day
and
we'll
limit
the
work
between
nine
and
three.
M
So
we've
met
with
the
trails
coordination
team
in
Arlington,
and
we
also
had
an
on-site
meeting
with
parks
and
some
of
the
trail
coordination
team
members
last
week
as
well.
So
they
advise
to
only
do
the
work
between
nine
and
three,
which
we
can
absolutely
stick
to
so
we'll
be
burying
the
pipe
under
here
during
that
time.
M
So
it's
during
less
active
hours
and
we'll
be
providing
a
temporary
access
path,
so
Trail
users
can
still
get
onto
and
off
the
trail
here,
we'll
be
using
this
existing
ramp
and
then
be
putting
down
some
temporary
maths
so
that
trail
users
can
come
on
here.
Crossover
while
we're
bearing
over
here
and
I,
would
like
to
note
that
over
here
in
this
area,
we
will
have
a
staging
area
where
they'll
be
setting
down
some
pipes
and
Welding
some
pipes
together.
M
So
just
to
note
they'll
just
be
some
materials
and
construction
workers
here.
So
again,
this
will
be
about
a
day.
It
won't
impact.
Trail
access,
we'll
make
sure
to
have
a
temporary
access
path
and
again
just
to
note
so
the
bypass
pipe.
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor
it'll,
be
running
along
the
edge
of
the
grass
here
buried
under
here
running
along
the
edge
of
the
grass
here.
M
So
we
do
anticipate
keeping
this
pipe
entirely
off
the
trail
depending
on
how
it
goes.
It
may
be
this
the
latest
bit
on
the
edge
of
the
trail,
but
we
do
plan
on
keeping
it
entirely
to
the
edge,
so
the
trail
won't
narrow
or
if
it
Narrows
a
little
bit
we'll
make
sure
it
doesn't
go
below
the
required
eight
feet,
but
we
do
plan
on
keeping
it
entirely
to
the
side
and
while
we're
bringing
the
pipe
here,
we
will
be
very
closing
about
half
the
trail.
M
We'll
have
flaggers
out
at
the
time
so
we'll
have
ligers
out
that'll,
tell
bikes
to
stop
and
like
walk
their
bike
through.
It
won't
be
completely
closed,
only
partially
closed
to
allow
us
to
bring
those
pipes
in
and
that'll
be
for
about
15
to
20
minutes.
It
won't
take
us
very
long
to
get
the
pipes
in
there
and
on
the
side.
M
So
hopefully
you
don't
catch
that
15
minutes,
but
if
you
do
there
will
be
a
flagger
that
will
wave
you
down
and
just
have
you
walk
your
bike
through,
so
it
will
continue
to
run
it
through
the
edge
here
and
I
hate
to
show
y'all
an
area
of
view.
I,
don't
know
if
you
noticed,
but
there
was
it's
not
accessible
right
now,
but
there
was
someone
who
rode
their
bike
through
here
and
did
an
image
and
it
doesn't
work
now.
I
was
so
sad.
I
was
really
excited
for
that.
M
But
during
this
meeting,
but
I
got
to
show
you
all
the
aerial,
so
yeah
so
keep
running
around
the
edge
here
along
the
edge
of
this
grass
edge
of
this
grass
exactly
following
the
plans
that
I
have
here
and
so
in
order
to
get
the
VDOT
permit.
They've
approved
this
alternative
plan.
They
didn't
like
this
one,
so
this
pink
line
is
actually
what
we'll
be
doing
at
this
point
and
I'll
make
sure
to
have
the
website
updated
for
that
too.
M
Shortly
so
you'll
see
that
it
crosses
under
Scott
Street
right
about
here
and
then
we
will
have
it
crossed
so
then
it'll
run
along
the
edge
of
the
grass
again
still
not
on
that
trail
and
about
here,
where
switches
from
that,
like
black
asphalt,
color
to
the
kind
of
cream
shoulders,
sidewalk
we'll
cut
through
so
we'll
be
cutting
under
the
trail
cutting
across
Langston
and
then
the
pipe
will
run
on
this
median
all
the
way
on
this
median
until
it
runs
on
this
little
sidewalk
here,
which
is
actually
closed
right
now,
anyways
to
cut
across
Nash
into
this
manhole.
M
We
have
over
here
and
we're
also
aware
of
these
Builders
and
coordinating
with
them
we're
also
coordinating
with
the
tunnel
Rehabilitation
projects.
So
all
should
work
so
yeah
very
long
explanation
to
get
us
to
probably
what
you
guys
are
most
interested
about
is
when
we
cut
under
this
Trail
here.
So
we
will
close
the
trail
at
this
point
when
we
cut
under
it,
but
we
will
have
a
diversion
onto
Langston
Boulevard
during
that
and
that
again
that'll
be
a
day's
worth
of
work.
M
It'll
be
between
nine
and
three
and
hopefully
it'll
be
a
little
bit
later
in
the
fall
time,
a
little
bit
cooler,
maybe
we'll
catch
a
light
rain
day,
so
there's
even
less
users,
but
but
yeah.
This
will
be
only
a
day,
duration,
and
this
is
the
the
mot
that
was
put
together
for
that
with
some
good
input
from
our
sales
coordination
team,
so
yeah.
M
So
this
is
what
we
plan
on
doing
for
users
coming
in
this
way,
for
or
for
users
coming
in
both
ways,
we'll
have
a
trail
work
ahead,
sign,
Trail,
close
to
head,
sign,
little
diversion
sign
and
then
the
barriers
with
the
trail
close
and
Detour
sign
so
that'll,
be
on
both
sides
to
provide
adequate
warning
for
this,
and
it
will
say
Trail
we'll
be
using
signs
to
actually
say
Trail,
we're
getting
them
all
like
fabricated
and
put
together,
because
we
don't
want
anyone
to
be
confused,
whether
it's
Road
or
Trail.
M
So
this,
it
will
definitely
say
Trail,
and
this
orange
line
that
I
have
drawn
in
here
represents.
Where
we'll
have
these
longitudinal
channeling
devices?
Sorry,
that's
the
tongue
twister!
So
we'll
have
these
devices.
M
It
it'll
look
just
like
this
kind
of
like
this.
That's
on
South,
Four,
Mile,
Run
right
now.
Actually
these
barriers,
so
I
actually
walked
on
this
very
recently
there
were
cars
driving
right
next
to
it,
and
I
felt
totally
fine.
So
it
will
look
like
this.
M
The
trail
will
still
have
good
width
and
we'll
be
using
temporary
Yellow
Tape
to
delineate
the
lane
still,
and
you
can
actually
see
I
measured
on
near
Maps,
so
this
Trail
showing
13
feet
not
including
the
curve
it's
12
feet,
with
the
curb
it's
14
feet,
so
very
adequate
with
still
we'll
make
sure
to
delineate
the
lane
still
and
have
proper
warning
everything.
M
We
have
a
barrier
here
too,
so
that
people
don't
accidentally
just
keep
on
biking
on
so
we'll
be
using
this
existing
ramp
here
for
users
to
come
on
and
off
and
over
here
we'll
be
building
a
asphalt
ramp
so
and
it'll
be
at
a
45
degree
angle
we'll
make
sure
to
have
a
four
inch
PVC
pipe
under
it
so
that
any
water
can
run
through
it
won't
Pond,
we'll
also
make
sure
to
have
a
work
vehicle
parked
in
front
of
the
transition
to
provide
Extra,
Protection
and,
of
course,
we'll
have
typical
lane
closure
signs
as
well
following
the
DDOT
standards
that
I
reference
here,
but
I
didn't
want
to
draw
on
here,
because
I
didn't
want
to
put
too
many
signs
on
here
that
look
confusing.
M
So
again,
this
is
between
a
North
Scott
and
North
Quinn
on
Langston
Boulevard
we'll
have
this
short
diversion
around
the
area
where
we'll
cut
for
a
day
and
yeah
I.
Think
I
think
that
is
everything
Ellen
is
there
anything
I
missed
that
I
should
mention.
A
I
think
you
pretty
much
covered
it.
I
believe
Dana
had
a
question.
H
Was
45
degree
angle?
Are
you
it's
gonna,
be
ADA
Compliant
right.
E
H
M
One
and
twelve
oh
I
was
talking
to
when
I
said:
45
I
was
talking
about
and
not
sorry,
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
don't
know
why
I'm
using
my
arms
explain
it
not
going
down,
but
the
way
you
get
on
so
like
45,
like
it's
easier
for
me
to
draw
it.
F
M
C
So
this
is
not
a
bike
question,
but
since
we
will
be
biking
alongside
sanitary
sewer
pipe
will
it
stink.
M
I
shouldn't
stink,
if
it
does
certainly
give
us
a
call
and
we'll
look
into
it,
the
only
thing
that
may
stink
is
so
we
will
and
I
don't
think
it
would
reach
out
here,
but
when
we're
realigning
there
may
be
a
smell
of
plastic
in
the
air
that
might
be
a
little
more
stinky
than
the
sewer,
but
it
shouldn't,
and
we
also
have
advice
online
on
our
cipp
lining
page.
M
You
can
run
TAPS
in
your
home
that'll
help
with
the
smell.
If
you
notice
the
smell
coming
into
your
home,
you
can
run
your
caps
and
that
should
help
dampen
it
and
keep
it
out.
But
yeah
there
shouldn't
be
strong
sewage
odor.
There
will
probably
be
a
plastic
odor,
depending
on
how
close
you
are
to
the
lining
manhole,
but
otherwise
there
shouldn't
be
stink.
M
L
O
Just
had
a
comment:
if
you've
ever
smelled,
what
comes
out
of
a
sewer
when
they're
realigning
it.
You
know
that
there's
a
99.9
percent
chance
that
it
is
carcinogenic,
so
hold
your
breath
as
you
go
by,
because
there's
just
no
mercy
on
the
poor
people
who
are
next
to
this
process
who
have
to
breathe
the
fumes.
M
Yeah
and
I
can
go
back
to
so
the
fumes
shouldn't
be
by
the
bike
trail.
Luckily,
so
we'll
be
lining
from
this
manhole.
That's
all
the
way
up
here,
kind
of
in
that
Forest
area
between
and
Spot
Run,
so
that
smell,
like
hopefully,
shouldn't
reach.
Anyone
then
we'll
also
be
lining
from
the
manhole
over
in
the
median
out
here
by
I-66,
so
we're
hoping
it
won't
reach
too
many
residents,
it's
kind
of
in
forest
and
in
the
middle
of
the
highway.
But
but
yes,
certainly.
H
H
Liner
that
that
open
had
open
Flames
when
they
when
they
started
the
system
in
the
morning
five
or
six
seven
years
ago.
Yes,
that
was
pretty
bad.
M
Yeah
I'm
not
aware
of
that
situation.
I
have
been
with
the
county
for
a
year,
so
I
don't
anticipate
open
Flames,
but
we
do
have
a
boiler
truck
that
does
have
a
little
flame
coming
out
of
it
at
the
top
because
we
do
heat
the
water
but
I
I.
Don't
I
can't
think
of
large
open
flames.
It's
just
a
pipe
with
a
little
like
really
tiny,
Flame,
yeah,
I'm
interested
yeah.
Sorry.
Q
C
So
who
else
has
questions
maybe
David
Ansel
and
sell.
I
Yes,
yes,
thank
you
just
out
of
curiosity
what
what
is
the
issue
with
the
current
sewer?
Is
it
leakage
or
what
is
being
repaired
just
to
put
it
in
context.
M
You
were
to
a
very
old
age.
It's
a
Concrete
pipe
in
concrete,
concrete,
are
typically
expected
to
last
about
100
years,
and
it's
about
86
87
years
at
this
point,
so
it's
almost
near
the
end
of
its
life
and
it's
a
very
critical
Steward
in
our
County.
It
carries
a
lot
of
flow,
it's
one
of
our
larger
trunk
sewers.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
this
thing
doesn't
go
bad,
especially
given
the
depth
of
it
at
points.
M
So
I'm
pulling
up
a
couple
pictures
on
our
website.
You
can
see
in
this
photo.
You
can
see
a
lot
of
rocks,
which
basically
means
that
there's
corrosion
on
the
walls
have
been
degrading,
so
they're
getting
thinner
and
they
will
continue
to
corrode
more
rapidly
as
it
gets
older
in
age.
You
can
also
see
some
infiltration
here,
so
there
are
cracks
and
Joints
which
are
allowing
ground,
lather
and
other
infiltration
to
come
into
the
pipe,
which
also
is
not
good
and
again
yeah.
M
M
And
also
I
see
the
comment
in
the
chat
about
ABA,
so
we
have
already
bidded
out
the
project,
so
the
specs
and
everything
have
already
been
bid,
but
certainly
I
could
talk
to
the
contractor
about
it
and
make
sure
when
we're
discussing
details
in
the
field
to
bring
it
up-
and
here
I'll
put
it
in
my
notes.
Right
now,
I
have
here
chat,
copied.
R
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
such
a
thorough
presentation
for
a
one
day
diversion
we
have
projects
all
over
the
place
that
are
months
or
years,
and
we
don't
get
anything
close
to
this
much
respect
so
to
speak.
So
thank
you
for
letting
us
be
a
part
of
the
process
here
short
as
it
is.
M
Yeah,
of
course,
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
I
appreciate
the
input
yeah.
You
know.
I
grew
up
in
Pennsylvania
I
moved
down
here
a
couple
years
ago,
and
we
certainly
didn't
have
a
biking
Community
or
as
much
biking
paths
and
things
like
this.
So
it
was
really
great
getting
to
learn
a
lot
on
this
project
about
the
biking
community
and
trying
to
accommodate.
L
K
Yeah,
what's
the
plan
in
terms
of
either
ongoing
inspection
and
or
signage?
That
would
allow
us
someone
to
note
if
the
contractor
is
not
following
the
plan,
it
would
be
really
easy
to
see
the
bike
path
as
in
a
nice
little
access
path
for
him
to
have
equipment
on
and
move
things
around
and
not
follow
his
own
Mot
ion
all
the
time
with
construction.
Yes,.
M
K
M
Yeah,
absolutely
and
actually
I
was
just
working
on
and
submitting
a
form
to
order.
We
were
ordering
four
project
signs
that
we
were
going
to
place
throughout
the
project.
Saying
you
know
this
is
the
Spout
Run
Subaru
project
for
questions
concerns
it
was
going
to
have
a
number
on
it,
so
we
should
have
those
placed
throughout
the
project,
so
we
can
make
sure
to
have
one
on
the
trail.
K
M
Thanks
yeah,
and
then
we
also
have,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
We
have
our
website
that
has
contacts
on
it
and
I
will
be
updating
this
to
our
construction
manager,
who
will
be
much
more
in
tune
to
the
day-to-day
construction
activities
throughout
the
project.
So
you
can
also
come
to
the
website
and
sent
him
an
email
or
give
him
a
call
as
well.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
That
was
that
was
wonderful
to
hear,
as,
as
was
just
said,
how
much
your
effort
you're
putting
into
to
make
sure
that
that
one
day
works
out
for
for
bicycle,
Riders
and
pedestrians.
C
C
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
BAC
membership.
C
It
says
we're
going
to
go
over
the
membership
numbers.
I,
don't
even
know
what
they
are.
Maybe
Elwyn
happens
to
know.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
off
the
BAC
website.
Here's
the
list
of
all
of
our
current
members.
As
of
the
time
I
joined
as
the
liaison,
so.
A
Yeah
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm,
just
wondering
if
I
believe
the
the
minimum
amount
is
like
13
members
for
the
the
meet
the
count
committee.
So
we're
basically
interested
in
maybe
expanding
the
membership
size
to
get
more
folks
in
the
committee.
A
Yeah
exactly
so,
basically,
we
talked
about
the
charter
beforehand.
I
believe
this
is
being
revised
or
updated,
I'm,
not
sure
if,
if
anyone,
the
call
was
involved
with
this,
this
next
update
this.
This
is
showing
the
charter
as
of
March
5th
2012.,
but
there
was
some
discussion
about
maybe
revising
the
the
charter
to
bring
them,
bring,
bring
the
language
up
to
the
current
standards
and
to
see
if
the
folks
are
interested
in
expanding
the
size
of
the
committee
or
if
the
folks
are
pretty
happy
with
the
way
things
are.
C
So
we
worked
on
the
charter
many
months
ago
and
we
submitted
a
lot
of
suggestions
and
then
Arlington
I
believe
dropped
the
effort
to
revise
the
charters.
I,
don't
know
where
that
stands,
but
in
any
case
it
would
be
good
to
have
more
members.
It
sounds
like
whether
we're
at
seven,
as
you
said,
or
it
looks
like
12.
C
Yeah
it's
I
mean
this
relates
to
our
next
topic
too,
which
is
the
voting
we
could
talk
about
both
at
once.
Even
I
mean
it's
very
hard
to
get
a
quorum
sometimes,
and
the
people
who
are
most
active
on
the
committee
are
not
necessarily
the
ones
on
the
list
on
your
screen
is
some
of
those
individuals
don't
come
to
meetings
anymore,
whereas
others
are
religious
about
showing
up.
C
Even
you
know,
on
the
21st
of
August
on
days
that
are
not
hours,
so
we
do
need
to
I,
don't
know
what's
the
best
process,
maybe
if,
if
you
know
simply
by
sending
emails
or
whatever
initially
just
to
express
interest
in
actually
joining,
because
we
have
active
BAC
people
who
are
not
on
the
official
list
and
vice
versa,.
Q
Maybe
we
can
ask
Pam
for
her
experience
related
to
The
Pedestrian
advisory
committee
and
how
that
has
been
going
in
terms
of
process.
Are
you
still
on
Pam
yeah.
N
Thank
you.
Cynthia
is
right
that
we
were
asked
to
look
at
our
bylaws
and
we
had
great
recommendations,
and
then
it
was
all
this
I
was
like
never
mind.
You
can
just
keep
what
you've
got
and
I
think
your
maximum
is
15
and
ours
is
15
and
we
we've
never
had
15
people,
we
I,
think
the
most
we've
ever
had
is
12.
We
currently
have
11,
which
is
a
nice
odd
number,
so
it's
easier
to
get
a
quorum.
We
have
more,
our
members
see
more
aligned
with
actually
participating
impact.
N
Don't
know
why
there's
a
difference,
but
there
is
in
some
ways
it
would
be
nice
to
encourage
the
county
manager
to
look
at
our
bylaws
again,
because
it
does
cover
things
like
number
of
members
how
many
years
you
can
be
on
it
and
if
you
don't
participate
in
X
number
of
meetings,
you
kind
of
get
kicked
off
because
right
now
we
have
no
way
of
getting
rid
of
people
who
are
really
inactive.
N
So
so
there
would
certainly
be
value
to
her
starting
this
up
again,
I
think.
But
we
haven't
done
that
either.
It's
like
okay,
the
county,
doesn't
want
us
to
do
this,
so
we'll
just
lay
low
for
a
little
bit
and
continue.
Q
And
you
know
Ellen
you're
kind
of
new,
so
you
wouldn't
be
necessarily
familiar.
But
there's
been
this
a
variety
of
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past.
For
a
long
time,
the
committee
was
very
ad
hoc.
Anyone
who
came
was
essentially
a
member
and
then
for
a
while
we
had
to
be
invited.
We
would
get
an
official
letter
from
the
county
saying
you
know.
Q
You
are
now
asked
to
be
part
of
the
bicycle
or
protection
I,
I
presume
pedestrian
was
similar
advisory
committee
and
then
you
would
accept
and
and
the
last
I
don't
know
a
couple
years.
You
think
Cynthia
that
seems
to
have
kind
of
fizzled
out
and
we're
back
with
a
little
bit
more
of
the
ad
hoc.
N
Perspective
on
that,
you
know,
unofficial
members
of
the
back
and
back
we
were
supposed
to
somebody-
was
supposed
to
be
used
to
be
sending
us
letters,
David
or
Leah
would
would
compile
the
list
every
year
and
send
it
to
somebody
in
the
county
manager's
office,
and
then
they
were
supposed
to
approve
it
and
send
this
to
all
official
letters,
and
she
was
busy
doing
something
else
and
it
never
happened.
So
none
of
us
have
official
letters
but
we're
kind
of
all
assumed
to
be
members.
Yeah.
A
Yeah,
this
is
definitely
something
I
could
look
into.
I
could
get
this
information
Worth
to
figure
out
where
we
are
with
regards
to
the
Charter
update
and
maybe
see
if.
C
It
too
I
know
that
number
for
the
first,
eight
or
so
years
that
I
attended
every
single
month
so
and
for
many
of
us
it
doesn't
really
matter
if
you're,
official
or
not
I
mean
some
people,
I
guess
like
to
be
official,
but
it
does
become
an
issue
when
there's
voting.
C
If
we
need
to
stick
with
the
official
list
and
then
I
end
up,
you
know
emailing
people
and
texting
people
Mr
offit,
so
is
so
it
it
does.
You
know
getting
a
quorum
can
be
difficult
and
there
have
been
instances
where
we
worked
really
hard
on
letters
and
then
did
not
have
enough
enough
of
a
quorum.
But
we
didn't
even
know
what
a
quorum
was.
So
we
ended
up
not
signing
on
to
letters
to
Mr
Schwartz,
because
we
weren't
sure
we
could
even
represent
the
BAC.
C
After
all,
that
work
so
and
I
think
that
somebody
has
a
hand
up
and
whose
hand
is
that
or
maybe
two
wait,
Eric
and
and
then
Dana.
J
Hi
this
is
Eric.
If
I
recall
it
was
Valerie
Mosley
that
was
had
brought
this
to
us
a
couple
times
so
I
I
would
think
that
we'd
probably
want
to
hear
from
her
again
as
far
as
what
the
and
I
I
I
don't
know,
if
she's
still
doing
what
she
was
doing
when
she
talked
to
us,
you
know
more
about
six
months
ago,
but
I
I
would
think
that
she
would
be
the
best
person
to
go
back
to
Ellen
I
think
also.
J
There
was
some
discussion
about
term
limits
too.
So,
but
after
like
three
terms
or
something
they
were
saying
that
people
would
have
to
sit
out
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
is
still
something
that's
potentially
going
to
happen
or
not,
but
we
were
supposed
to
hear
back
from
her
and
and
I
believe
you
know
with
with
David
out
for
some
time
and
and
Leah
out
that
other
times
that
maybe
that
that
just
didn't
happen.
H
The
the
charter
says
renewable
two-year
terms,
it
doesn't
say
how
many
so
it's
just
like
the
House
of
Representatives,
you
know
bring
on
John,
Dingle,
okay
and
the
other
thing
is
a
quorum.
Is
the
people
that
show
up
there's
no
discussion
in
the
charter
of
quorum,
and
you
know
so
we
and
so
Quorum
is
whoever
shows
up
and
it
it
passes.
H
You
know
with
with,
with
with
reasonable
Prudence
by
more
than
50
percent
of
the
people
that
show
up
saying
yes,
so
you
know
I,
you
know,
there's
no
requirement
in
the
there's,
nothing
in
the
charter
that
talks
about
super
majorities
or
anything
like
that
or
or
a
requirement
to
get.
You
know
to
get
eight
out
of
15.
You
know
voting
in
favor
of
something
you
know
if
if
six
people
show
up
in
four
or
four
are
in
favor
of
it,
it
passes.
N
H
H
You
know,
because
you
know,
because
we
waste,
you
know
we
waste
a
lot
of
time
chasing.
You
know
chasing
these,
these
rabbits.
When,
when
you
know
you
know
we
we
put
something
out,
we
email
it.
You
know,
read
it,
don't
read
it.
You
know
at
some
level,
I
don't
care,
but
if
you
have
an
opportunity
to
vote
and
you
choose
not
to
then,
then
that
is
not
a
a
non-participation.
That's
not
that's
a
a
a
a
conscious
abstention.
C
C
Sense
to
me,
I
mean
it's,
it's
easy
to
vote
sort
of
in
meetings
and
it's
so
much
harder
to
vote.
You
know
online
in
the
course
of
four
or
five
days
or
whatever
we
have
when
we
have
a
letter
or
something
that
needs
you
know
that
needs
sign
off.
That's
when
it
gets
really
tricky
and
that's
why
we
need
to
update
in
the
list
on
the
website,
the
list
of
who
is
truly
a
member
and
who's
not
and
I.
C
Think
a
lot
of
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
surely
deserve
to
be
members
because
they
show
up
and
they
do
the
work
and
they're,
not
even
members,
so
that
would
be
great
just
in
terms
of
equity
and
in
terms
of
of
making
voting
easier
because
it'll
be
you
know
that
people
who
are
actually
engaged
and
not
the
people
who
I
haven't
seen
for
a
couple
of
years,
let's
see
Eric
did
you
have
your
hand
up
still
or
is
that
get
hand
from
before.
T
Hey
everyone-
sorry
I
was
late.
I
I
I
have
said
this
before,
but
I
I
actually
think
the
way
this
committee
works.
It
makes
more
sense
not
really
to
have
members
at
all
and
then
to
have
an
executive
team,
that's
elected
by
people
who
have
showed
up
a
certain
amount
of
time
over
the
last
year
and
then
and
leave
it
at
that.
T
And
then,
when
it
comes
to
things
like
representing
ideas
and
perspectives
to
the
county
manager,
99
of
the
time,
we
are
either
totally
in
alignment
or
there's
different
views
that
can
easily
just
been
put
side
by
side.
Some
people
think
X.
Other
people
think
why.
T
So
you
don't
need
to
go
into
a
situation
where
people
are
voting
and
and
it's
it's
one
or
the
other-
that
the
only
I
think
counter
example
is
when
we
sign
on
to
someone
else's
letter
where
we
can't,
where
there's
differing
views
and
there's
not
an
opportunity
to
say
oh
but
there's
these
differing
views,
but
that's
okay.
We
should
just
write
our
own
letters
anyway.
T
So
I
think
that
and
I'm
happy
to
dig
up
the
email
with
the
more
specific
proposal
that
people
don't
have
it.
But
having
been
on
this
committee
for
a
while
and
and
chaired
this
committee,
I
actually
think
we
have
a
lot
of
great
energy
and
great
participation
on
this
committee
and
the
best
way
to
harness
that
is
actually
to
get
away
from
a
membership
model
that
is
exclusive
and
instead
work
on
a
Model
where
everybody
can
come
every.
C
Q
Yeah
thanks
so
I
completely
agree
with
Jillian,
with
one
sort
of
like
addition,
which
is
I,
would
love
it
if
the
county,
through
the
county
manager
or
some
other
means,
would
figure
out
a
way
to
encourage
additional
membership
from
some
communities
where
we
may
not.
A
Yeah
I'd
love
to
hear
about
that.
Has
there
ever
been
at
the
time
where
the
BAC
basically
said
I,
like
kind
of
like
a
list
of
which
communities
they
would
like
to
be
represented.
T
Q
H
Yeah,
a
few
years
ago
we
got
you
know
the
BAC
in
in
the
collective
got
beat
up
because
the
county
staff-
you
know
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that-
suggested
that
we
weren't
as
inclusive
as
they
might
hope
us
to
be,
and
the
the
pushback
from
virtually
everybody
on
the
on
on
the
BAC
was
you
know.
Cycling
is
is
one
of
those
activities
where
you
represent
everybody,
regardless
of
whether
they're
at
the
table
or
not.
H
So
while
it
really
might
be
good
to
have
an
hourly
employee,
you
know
a
Latino
hourly
worker
on
the
BAC
to
represent
what
they
know
is
there
are
their
issues
in
cycling.
You
know
it's
not
likely
we're
going
to
be
able
to
successfully
get
them
and
retain
them
because
they
have
a
day
job
or
a
night
job.
H
So
the
so
the
key
was,
you
know,
we
said
we
could.
We
could
do
this,
but
you
know,
but
the
county
kept
saying
you
need
to.
You
know
you
need
to
become
more
diverse
and
you
need
to
represent
the
full
County
and,
and
they
threatened
you
know
they
tried
to.
You
know,
get
us
get
members
and
they
came
and
went
you
know
so
you
know
it's
kind
of
you
know
you,
you
dance
with
the
ones
that
come
to
the
party.
C
Yeah,
that
was
a
difficult
chapter
in
BAC
history,
Randy
I,
see
your
hand,
and
we
haven't
heard
from
you
in
a
while.
O
There's
one
of
those
who
got
a
letter
from
the
county
manager
that
I
interpreted
as
strongly
suggesting
that
I
resign,
because
I
was
not
diverse
and
a
bicycle
Rider
after
all
and
I'm,
where
Lycra
most
of
the
time
and
I
wasn't
supposed
to
be
here
anymore.
So
I
resigned
as
Dana
says.
Nothing
came
of
that
we're
not
more
diverse,
we've
spent
years
trying
to
get
more
women
and
we
find
they
did
by
golly
and
we've
got
one
as
our
chair
and
she's
doing
a
great
job.
O
We've
had
two
chairs
before
and
they
they
both
did
great
jobs.
So
in
a
sense
we
were
working
on
diversity
all
the
time,
but
it's
very
difficult,
as
every
County
committee
and
commission
has
found
it's
very
difficult
to.
As
Dana
said
it's
difficult
to
get
people
from
The
Immigrant
community
in
particular,
because
they're
very,
very
busy
with
other
things,
and
this
is
just
not
going
to
be
on
the
top
of
their
list.
O
So
it's
not.
It's
not
easy
to
handle.
C
Well
said,
Randy
and
being
on
BAC
and
doing
the
work
of
BAC
is
a
lot
of
work.
So
it's
an
expectation,
it's
a
large
expectation
on
people
and
it's
not
always
that
fulfilling
or
let's
say
it's
not
always
clear
that
the
county
really
wants
to
hear
from
us.
C
But
that's
in
part
two
of
this
of
this
discussion
and
I
see
more
hands
Eric
or
Jillian.
Did
you
have
more
to
add.
J
Yeah,
this
is
Eric,
just
just
a
couple
things.
First,
I
I,
you
know
agree
with
what
most
of
we.
What
about
what
everybody
has
said.
I
think
we
just
need
to
keep
trying
to
get
more
diverse
people
on
the
committee.
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
it's
it's
not
something!
J
You
do
one
time,
it's
something
that
you
kind
of
continuously
work
at
so
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
reevaluate
every
once
in
a
while
and
and
say
you
know,
where
else
can
we,
you
know
put
out
letting
people
know
that
we're
we're
looking
for
more
members
and
just
the
other
thing
about
the
the
question
about
you
know,
just
whoever
is
there
votes?
J
We
have
had
some
incidents
in
in
the
past,
where
we've
had
maybe
some
issues
where
and
one
neighborhood
wasn't
happy
about
something,
so
they
basically
packed
our
meeting
and
and
if,
if
we
kind
of
did
something
like
that,
we
could
end
up
where
you
know.
If
anybody
could
vote,
that's
in
the
room,
you
could.
J
It's
only
happened,
maybe
a
couple
times
where
you
know
things
like
that
have
happened
when
we
had
to
to
go
to
a
vote
or
forced
a
vote,
but
we've
had
kind
of
like
relatively
irate
neighborhood
of
people
that
have
come
to
our
committee,
because
I
didn't
want
something
in
their
backyard
type
of
thing.
So
that
is
certainly
a
a
possibility.
T
Yeah,
so
we
actually
have
had
some
meetings
with
some
more
diverse
voices
and
those
have
been
ones
where
we
went
out
in
the
community
and
and
did
stuff.
So
we
have,
we
had
some
on
the
Pike
where
we
met
there
in
person.
T
We've
had
some
bike
rides
that
have
very
much
reflected
their
reflected,
better
reflected
the
neighborhood
that
the
bike
rides
were
held
in,
and
so,
if
we,
you
know,
if
we're
going
back
to
in-person
stuff
I,
think
that's
a
great
way
to
do
it,
but
to
the
points
that
have
been
made.
A
lot
of
people
weren't
interested
in
signing
up
to
be
a
member
of
something,
but
they
were
interested
in
lending
their
voices
and
discussing
issues
that
were
you
know,
of
of
interest
to
them,
especially
when
they
could
participate
easily.
T
So
that
again,
is
a
a
reason
to
speak
for
the
the
structure
where
we
don't
have
members
and
and
to
Eric's
point
I
strongly
recommend
still
have
having
a
elected
board
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
executive
committee.
T
That
is
the
one
that
does
the
drafting
of
whatever
needs
to
be
drafted
and
that
we
make
sure
that
various
points
of
view
are
represented.
So
if
there
were
a
meeting
where
and
and
that
the
elected
group
be
elected
only
from
people
who
have
showed
up
from
a
significant
number
of
meetings,
which,
in
the
case
that
that
Eric
made
an
example
of
if
there
was
a
particular
neighborhood
issue-
and
we
had
one
meeting
on
it
and
that
people
from
that
neighborhood
wanted
to
include
their
position
on
a
particular
issue.
T
The
letter
to
the
county
manager
could
just
be
some
people
thought
this.
Other
people
thought
that
or
if
the
executive
committee
thought
that
it
was
not
ripe
for
writing
the
county
manager,
then
they
would
not
write
the
County
Manager
on
that
particular.
C
U
Mind
so
this
goes
into
the
whole
yeah
I
mean
yes
on
possible
members,
but
also
I'd
like
to
go
back
I
think
it
was
Dana.
That
said,
you
know
the
county
manager
should
be.
You
know,
figuring
out
who
should
be
on
this
group
and
in
the
past
they've
tried
and,
like
you
said,
we
had
a
terrible
chapter
in
our
history
and
I.
U
Don't
know
how
many
people
from
that
era
that
were
brought
on
actually
stuck
but
I
do
see
some
that
are
still
in
the
community,
but
I
think
you
know
the
force
marched
to
be
part
of
the
BAC
didn't
work.
I
also
think
that
we
should
respect
those
that
do
show
up
at
the
meetings
and
give
an
opportunity
to
say
you
know
what
you've
shown
up
a
lot.
I
see
these
names
that
are
on
here
that
show
up
a
lot.
Let's
put
them
on
the
committee.
U
U
You
know
there's
a
difference
between
in-person
voting
and
electronic
voting
and
again
Dana
I
I'm
agreeing
with
you
all
all
day
today,
but
I
agree
that
at
a
certain
point,
if
you're
not
going
to
say
something
about
it,
then
you
lost
your
chance
to
say
something
about
it
and
you
were
abstaining
from
a
vote
and
you
know
creating
more
as
somebody
that
had
to
find
votes,
especially
as
chair
of
Phoenix,
bikes
and
you're.
U
Like
please,
please
vote,
because
we
have
to
do
this
I
think
at
a
certain
point
you
know
things
have
to
move
along
because
we
lose
our
voice
when
somebody
doesn't
use
their
voice
and
that
person
that
didn't
use
their
voice
wins
in
that
sort
of
way.
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
great
people
in
the
community.
I
think
that
I
saw
a
comment
that
somebody
said
you
know
the
BAC
was
full
I.
U
U
You
brought
a
phoenix
bikes
because
again
Dana
you're,
getting
all
the
credit
for
this,
but
even
thinking
about
we
we
represent
more
than
what
we
look
like
or
who
we
are
or
our
age
or
how
many
children
we
have,
because
we
think
about
it
as
we're
writing
on
the
sidewalk
and
we
go.
U
You
know
somebody
in
a
cargo
bike
is
not
going
to
do
well
on
this
or
somebody.
That's
riding
at
night
is
not
going
to
do
well
on
this
I'm
here
to
voice
that
for
them
for
that
person
that
can
come
to
the
meeting
and
I
think
we
all
understand
that
as
members
of
BAC,
so
I
just
don't
want
to
go
through
that
chapter
again,
where
we
lose
somebody
like
Randy,
who
feels
like
he
has
to
resign
and
I'm
super
happy
to
see
him
at
these
meetings
again
he's
he'll
always
be
a
BAC
in
my
heart.
C
C
C
Sometimes
there
are
there
are
times
when
it
feels
like
Arlington
has
various
committees,
including
BAC,
in
order
to
be
able
to
check
it
off
the
box
that
they
have
it,
but
that
at
least
at
times
it
doesn't
seem,
like
staff,
are
really
eager
to
discuss
issues
with
us
unless
there's
like
a
finalized,
a
project,
and
yet
what
would
be
most
effective
is
if
we
could
give
our
input
to
the
county
early
in
the
process.
C
I
mean
I
bet
that
amongst
us,
like,
we
know
really
well
just
about
every
intersection
and
every
pothole
in
the
county.
We
have
so
much
expertise,
be
it.
C
C
And
I
think
we're
way
over
over
time
right,
it's
8
24..
So
what
else?
Oh
before
we
move
on,
though
I
see
Ellen
put
on
the
agenda
that
we
need
somebody
for
the
neighborhood
complete
streets.
Commission
I
thought
we
already
had
someone
on
that,
like
Jillian
or
David.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
that.
C
Most
certainly,
oh
okay,
so
we
do
need
a
member
then
so
who
would
like
to
participate
in
neighborhood
complete
streets?
C
Q
A
Yeah
thanks
Steve.
We
don't
need
to
make
that
decision
right
now,
I'm,
just
making
sure
that
anyone
is
interested
in
applying,
for
it
definitely
need
someone
to
send
in
that
chair,
I.
R
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
much
about,
but
I'm
willing
to
consider
being
a
part
of
that.
So
let
me
know
Aaron.
F
J
A
while
for
the
pedestrian
committee
and
I,
it
really
is
a
good
committee.
It
really
looks
at
a
lot
of
projects
and
I
would
like
to
see
someone
other
than
myself
Beyond
it
just
because
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity,
but
I
I
would
just
say
you
know
Aaron.
If
you
want
to
be
on
it
or
others,
it
is.
It
is
definitely
a
a
very
good
committee.
A
Yeah
and
my
colleague
Michelle
Stafford
runs
that
is
Daphne
is
on.
She
works
on
our
team
as
well,
and
she's
an
amazing
resource
she's
been
with
Arlington
for
a
while
now
and
in
addition
to
looking
at
capital
projects,
we
also
look
at
recommendations
for
traffic
more
traffic
coming
in
neighborhoods.
So
it's
it's
a
bit
of
that
little
bit
of
everything.
R
Yeah
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
guys,
want
to
just
throw
me
under
the
bus
here
and
and
assign
me
to
it
and
then,
if
I
run
away,
then
that's
okay
too.
Thank
you.
The
track
record
isn't
good
on
how
to
get
out
of
this
position.
If
you're
a
member
well.
C
C
I
think
it's
a
fairly
quick
discussion
because
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
Jillian
and
others
can
correct
me,
I
not
much
was
achieved
last
in
last
year's
session.
So
we
can
ask
for
a
lot
of
the
same
things
as
we
did
before
and
I
can
just
tell
you
real
quick
I
pulled
up
our
letter
from
last
year
that
we
wrote
together
with
the
PAC,
and
we
indicated
that
in
the
longer
term,
not
for
the
immediate
session.
C
We
are
very
interested
in
ways
to
allow
local
jurisdictions
to
charge
higher
registration
fees
for
heavier
Vehicles,
as
they
are
apparently
doing
in
Washington,
DC
Outlet,
and
that
is
so
cool.
But
last
year
our
five
priority
issues
for
backpack
were
one
including
bikes
in
legislation
for
lead
pedestrian
intervals,
so
that
bicyclists
can
use
the
lpis
legally,
which
is
I
believe
still
not
allowed.
But
again
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
number
two
allow
local
control
for
implementation
of
automated
speed
enforcement.
C
Red
light,
running
parking
violations
and
other
traffic
issues
number
three
create
a
transportation
fund
for
bike.
Ped
safety
number
four
require
side,
underride
guards
on
trucks.
That
would
be
so
awesome,
and
it's
not
that
hard
to
do
and
number
five
remove
contribute.
The
contributory
negligence
law
in
Virginia
we,
along
with
Alabama,
North,
Carolina
and
Maryland,
have
is
really
backwards.
Law
that
a
bicycle,
Rider
or
pedestrian,
who
is
hit
by
a
motor
vehicle
is
barred
from
any
recovery
if
she
contributed
to
the
crash
in
any
way.
C
So
those
were
our
priorities
last
year
who
would
like
to
tell
me
what
was
accomplished?
Did
any
of
those
go
through
or
should
we
press
for
the
very
same
items.
L
B
Cynthia,
unfortunately,
I
can't
answer
your
question,
but
I
think
what
your
question
is
is
leading
to
is.
That
is.
B
Is
this
the
most
effective
way
for
us
to
get
legislation
through
just
through
our
through
their
Arlington
delegation
and
I
asked
that
is
that
couldn't
we
or
should
we
be
coordinating
with
some
of
our
neighbors,
like
Alexandria,
like
Fairfax,
County,
they're
sort
of
equivalent
organizations,
so
that
we're
all
sort
of
on
the
same
page,
because
to
get
any
legislation
done,
we
need
to
get
multiple
legislators
all
all
working
together
on
the
same
things
rather
than
us
doing
things
independently,
I
I
see
we
have
our
our
friend
from
Waban
here,
Mr
O'brien
I,
don't
want
to
give
him
more
things
to
do,
but
you
know
that
is
something
we
I
think
need
to
be
thinking
about,
rather
than
us
sort
of
working
independently
as
as
much
as
we
think
we
can
do
a
lot
here
in
Arlington.
T
Know
can
I
jump
in
here
because
I've
been
pretty
active
on
the
Virginia
bicycling
federations,
State
Legislative
team.
So,
to
answer
your
question
Cynthia,
no,
we
didn't
get
anything
accomplished.
Last
year
we
came
really
close,
but
from
a
ba.
So
if
anyone
else
is
interested
in
getting
involved
in
the
in
bbf's
effort,
Jim
Durham
is,
is
the
leader
of
the
advocacy
efforts
and
I'm
happy
to
to
help
Loop
you
in
to
to
our
efforts
there.
T
That
is
very
much
Statewide
coordination,
we're
looking
across
the
state
and
across
the
Commonwealth
to
try
to
get
consensus
and
get
things
done.
T
One
thing
that
did
come
out
of
last
year
is
Barbara
favola,
who
did
sponsor
a
bill
on
essentially
making
allowing
cyclists
to
go
on
leading
pedestrian
intervals,
got
VDOT
to
start
talking
to
a
group
from
vbf
myself
from
safety
and
and
Wyatt
from
the
Coalition
for
smart,
no
from
Virginia
conservation
Network
on
a
few
issues
that
have
come
up
lately.
T
Specifically,
we
talked
about
the
safety
stop,
which
is
letting
people
on
bikes
treat
stop
signs.
As
yields
we
talked
about
the
bikes
going
with
the
walk
signal.
T
We
talked
about
writing
to
abreast,
which
is
something
that
we
got
in.
The
bicycle
is
safety
act
of
I
think
it
was
2020
and
then
very
frustratingly,
Lynn,
youngin
and,
and
the
Republicans
overturned
last
not
this
past
year,
but
the
year
before.
T
That's
something
that
I
I
think
VDOT
understands
is
actually
better
to
to
go
back
to
allowing
people
to
ride,
to
a
breast,
especially
to
allow
family
biking,
and
we
talked
about
one
other
thing
and
I'm
apologizing
that
it's
not
coming
to
my
head
right
now,
but
but
I
I
think
that
and
those
talks
continue.
So
if
you
want
to
get
involved
in
that
sort
of
stuff,
I'm
happy
to
you
know
talk
offline
for
the
position
of
this
committee.
T
This
committee
advises
the
county
manager
on
the,
and
you
know
the
county
manager
talks
with
the
board
to
determine
Arlington's
legislative
priorities
and
I
do
think
what's
been
a
disappointment
is
that
Arlington
has
not
stepped
up
to
the
plate
to
help
us
with
any
of
these.
So
while
Senator
frivola
and
rip
Sullivan,
delegate
Sullivan,
who
represent
Arlington
were
advocates
for
allowing
bikes
to
go
with
the
walk
signal.
T
No
Arlington
staff
stepped
up
to
talk
about
it.
In
contrast,
Alexandria's
Vision,
zero
and
coordinator
has
been
vocal
and
been
active
in
conversations
in
Richmond
for
years
about
a
number
of
legislative
pieces
that
that
would
make
biking
and
walking
safely,
and
so
what
would
be
great
is
if
we
didn't
just
throw
these
up
to
the
manager,
but
we
actually
got
someone
from
Arlington
to
speak
up
for
the
bills
when
it
comes
time
and
I
think
the
list
that
we
had
last
year
is
buying
I
would
draw
people's
attention
to
eBay
e-bike
rebates.
T
Now
that
ebike
rebates
overcoming
more
widespread
they're,
you
know
they're
popping
up
in
localities
and
States
all
over
the
country
and
a
lot
of
them
come
with
data
collection
that
the
data
that's
coming
back
is
very,
very
clear
that
e-bikes
replace
car
trips,
which
is
a
win
from
a
sustainability
perspective.
It's
a
win
from
an
equity
perspective
and
it's
a
win
from
a
safety
perspective,
and
so
it's
a
really
really
big
deal
and
then
there's
also
some
creative
things.
People
are
doing
like,
for
example,
e-bike
safety
they're.
T
The
e-bike
rebates
are
coming
with
a
few
strings
attached
like
taking
it
Taking
a
15
minute
on,
like
Online
safety
class
or
only
being
able
to
use
the
rebate
for
bikes
that
are
actually
safe,
which
is
turning
the
market.
You
know
an
absence
of
Regulation
which
there
isn't
sufficient
e-bike
regulation.
It
is
sort
of
adjusting
the
market
to
to
focus
more
on
these
bikes
that
that
are
safe.
C
T
I
mean
you
know
this:
the
way
the
Commonwealth
works.
If
they
wanted
to
to
go
the
the
like
light
route,
they
could
just
authorize
localities
to
do
it,
but
I
I
would
love
to
see
a
Statewide
rebate
program
along
the
lines
of
the
EV
rebate
program.
It
could
even
be
part
of
the
EV
room,
rebate,
program
and
yeah
I.
Think
Eric
just
posted
a
link,
and
then
people
for
bikes
has
an
excellent
summary
of
various
e-bike
rebate
programs.
C
Great
well,
that
sounds
like
a
goal
number
six
that
we
could
put
on
the
list.
If
others
agree,
could
you
also
clarify
I
mean
I'm,
showing
my
ignorance
here,
but
what
does
it
mean
to
get
a
staff
member
from
Arlington
to
speak
in
the
state
legislature?
So
how
does
that
like?
Do
they
physically
have
to
go.
T
Can
testify
everyone
can
testify
virtually,
but
it's
just
it's
just
testifying
in
front
of
subcommittees
and
committees
the
hardest
thing
about
it.
T
Is
you
get
almost
no
notice
you
find
out
like
basically
the
day
before
or
the
day
of
whether
your
thing
is
coming
up,
but
it's
it's
much
easier
for
the
staff
being
paid
to
do
it
than
us
volunteers
who
have
to
to
sneak
out
at
lunch
time
and
do
it,
but
yeah
so
and
and
they
recognize
County
staff
think
separately
from
public
comment,
but
I
mean
it's
it.
It
basically
is
the
same
as
public
comment,
but
it
carries
a
lot
of
weight
when
when
the
counties
are
are
speaking
for
it.
T
I
mean
Alexander
Alexandria
has
their
Vision
zero
coordinator?
Do
it?
Christine
is
amazing.
She
would
be
great,
but
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
to
step
on
toes
by
by
telling
staff
how
they
should
allocate
things,
but
for
Alexandria
when
they,
when
they
send
Sarah
she
you
know
she
can
speak
as
to
their
experience
that
you
know
she
can
say.
Hey
we've
put
up
signs
to
let
this
happen,
but
man
it'd
be
easier.
T
If
we
just
changed
because
in
Alexandria
they
have
a
different
interpretation
of
of
the
law
than
Arlington
does
and
they
have
places
where
they
put
up
signs
saying
cyclists
may
follow.
You
know
this
pedestrian
signal,
and
so
they
effectively
get
the
same
outcome
as
cyclists
can
follow
the
leading
pedestrian
interval.
It's
my
understanding.
T
Arlington
does
not
interpret
the
law
the
same
way
and
is
not
willing
to
put
up
those
same
signs,
but
instead
is
considering
bike
specific
signals
to
achieve
the
same
outcome,
which
is
obviously
just
more
expensive,
and
so,
if
we
had
someone
who
could
speak
to
that,
how
you
know
we
have
lots
of
people
who
bike.
We
see
no
safety
problem
with
letting
bikes
go
when
people
walk
and
it
would
save
us
money.
That
would
be
a
great
thing.
C
A
Yeah,
so
for
the
next
joint
backpack
meeting
next
month,
Alana
cranen,
who
is
Arlington's
staff
liaison,
will
be
attending
and
she's
going
to
be
our
champion
to
get
out
get
all
of
our
thoughts
together
to
hopefully
get
a
cohesive
package
from
both
committees.
C
All
right,
so
does
anyone
have
any
more
thoughts
on
on
other
issues
that
we
should
raise
in
the
legislative
discussion
next
month
or
should
we
move
on.
J
And
I
just
really
respond
to
what
Collier
had
said
before.
Yes,
please,
so
he
had
asked
about
coordination
with
other
counties.
J
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
that
directly
through
the
back
I,
don't
I
think
it
goes
beyond
sort
of
our
Charter
and
what
we
can
actually
do,
because
we
do
advise
the
county
manager,
but
we
can
certainly
raise
that
up
to
the
legislative
liaison
and
say
you
know
it
would
be
good
to
get
a
regional
perspective
in
terms
of
you
know
some
of
these
issues,
so
they
become
they're
more
effective.
So
that
may
be
one
way
that
we
could
present
that.
C
That
makes
sense.
Thank
you
all
right,
we're
running
a
little
short
on
time,
as,
as
always
happens
in
good
discussions.
Elwyn
is
going
to
talk
briefly
about
protected
bike.
Lanes.
A
Yeah
I'll
be
pretty
quick,
I
have
a
few
slides
drafted,
but
I
hope
I
want
to
hear
more
from
you
guys,
rather
than
hear
myself
talk,
especially
when
it
comes
to
protected
bike.
Lanes,
which
I
I
rely
on
all
the
time
to
get
around
I'm
a
pretty
confident
writer.
But
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
Roads,
even
in
DC
a
lot
of
roads
like
New
York
Ave
that
I'll
never
bike
on.
A
Oh,
this
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion
amongst
folks
and,
if
I
don't
properly
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
folks
have
had,
please
let
me
know:
I'm
still,
learning
the
ropes
in
my
position
as
being
as
liaison
but
yeah.
Overall
I'm
gonna
talk
briefly
with
how
with
how
we
decide
what
types
of
facilities
go
into
the
the
types
of
barriers
for
protected
bike.
A
Lanes
first
I
want
to
go
through
some
terminology:
that's
we
have
drafted
in
the
in
in
the
master
MTP,
as
well
as
providing
a
brief
overview
of
where
we
are
in
terms
of
our
overall
Network
and
then
talking
through
some
brief
steps
about
how
we
do
the
prioritization
and
the
violation
of
our
bikeways.
A
So
these
are
basically
the
types
of
bikeways
that
the
MTP
lays
out
on.
We
did
we
created
a
new
multimodal
toolbox
which
takes
it
to
the
next.
The
next
step
forward,
in
terms
of
providing
the
nitty-gritty
of
you
know
how
these
types
of
facilities
are
scored
where
they
can
go
in
context
with.
You
know
things
like
retail,
with
a
garage
loading,
for
example,
and
it
provides
more
context
with
regards
to
separation,
how
much
separation,
how
much
width
for
the
bike
lanes
and
things
like
that?
But
overall,
there's
three
basic
bike.
A
Lanes
here
on
the
left
is
the
traditional
backlane,
which
is
you
know,
pain
on
the
ground,
no
separation
from
traffic.
Then
you
have
to
buffered
bike
Lanes,
which
is
still
just
paint,
but
it
provides
one
to
three
feet
of
separation
from
Cars,
and
then
you
have
the
protected
black
Lanes,
which
provides
the
same
amount
of
width,
but
it
has
some
kind
of
physical,
vertical
separation,
whether
it
be
a
flex
post
or
what
have
you
so
here
in
Arlington.
You
know
we
don't
have
just
now
protected
black
Lanes.
They
come
in
all
shapes
and
sizes.
A
You
know
this.
One
with
the
barrels
is
on
Pershing
Drive.
A
The
one
in
the
top
right
is
on
Wilson
that
uses
just
Flex
post
with
all
three
parking
as
a
buffer,
and
then
we
have
the
bottom
left
as
a
new,
relatively
new
bike,
where
that
was
upgraded
on
one
Clark
Street,
which
uses
these
pill-shaped
recast
concrete
devices
which
are
basically
drilled
down
into
the
into
the
street
itself.
A
But
then
you
know
we're
starting
to
move
in
the
direction
of
having
full-blown
protected
physical
and
vertical
and
horizontal
separation.
With
these
concrete,
curved
and
guttered
bikeways-
and
this
is
the
new
one-
that's
going
in
to
eat
Street
right
now
and
we're
helped.
A
Ideally,
you
know
every
street
every
bike
lane
would
be
like
this,
but
oftentimes
it's
challenging
with
regards
to
you
know
things
like
funding
available
right-of-way,
you
know
any
kind
of
constraints
in
the
street
and
what
have
you,
but
ideally
in
a
perfect
world,
every
Bikeway
would
look
like
this
eventually
so
yeah.
A
Overall,
this
is
the
existing
Bikeway
Network
that
we
have
want
to
call
attention
to
the
dark
blue
lines
which
are
classified
as
protected
bike
Lanes,
so
basically
taking
all
the
these
pbls
from
this
overall
Bikeway
Network,
and
just
pointing
out
that
you
know
the
first
thing
that
you
see
is:
there's
not
that
many
many
of
them,
unfortunately,
and
also
that
they're
not
connecting
with
each
other,
but
also
that
you'll
see
that
there's
there's
much
more
focus
on
activity,
centers
and
density,
which
tends
to
provide
the
the
greatest
amount
of
people
to
most
amount
of
opportunity
for
more
Riders
to
come
together
to
ride
on
the
network
like
Lanes.
A
But
then,
when
we
get
down
to
it
by
classification,
it's
not
just
colonies
down
as
protected
blackways.
They
each
have
different
physical
barriers,
so
the
ones
in
purple
which
is
eids
in
a
portion
of
Fairfax
Drive.
These
are
full-blown
concrete,
Cur,
protected
bikeways.
The
ones
in
Orange
are
just
utilizing
flux
post,
but
the
vast
majority
of
protected
blackways
we
have
in
Arlington
so
far
use
a
mixture
of
flex,
post
plus
parking
as
physical
barriers
from
moving
traffic
so
yeah.
This
is
the
philosophy
that's
been
starting
to
turn
up.
A
A
big
part
of
the
Crystal
City
Bikeway
network
was
creating
a
hyper
focused
network
of
bikeways
all
connected
to
each
other,
and
you
can
start
to
see
that
it's
starting
to
come
together
slowly,
but
surely
with
each
stream
being
some
of
the
new
with
some
of
the
newest
facilities,
but
also
our
neighbor
Drive
is
under
construction
as
well,
and
a
lot
of
these
facilities
use
precast,
concrete
curbs,
but
also
a
concrete,
that's
poured
in
place
which,
which
is
ideal.
A
So
yeah
overall,
the
question
came
up
about.
You
know
where,
where
do
we?
The
bike
was
coming
for
the
most
part
basically
come.
A
Streams,
basically,
if
it's
County
initiated
that
basically
means
that
you
know
we
we're
intent
intent
to
to
build
these
bikeways
depending
on
the
amount
of
financial
resources
that
we
have
and
staff
capacity.
A
So
a
lot
of
these
bikeways
are
either
done
as
a
quick,
build
project
which
you
know,
we
have
a
scoring
Matrix
to
decide
how
we
prioritize
that,
where
these
back,
these
projects
will
go
in
place,
but
anything
more
permanent
with
you
know
curb
and
gutter
things
like
that
will
require
CIP
projects.
So
we
do
a
mixture
of
both.
But
overall
we
cover
more
ground
through
the
quick
bullet
projects,
since
they
typically
just
use,
paint
and
flux
posts
and
temporary
materials.
A
So,
but
regardless
of
that,
we
try
to
be
as
opportunistic
as
possible
with
regards
to
installing
new
protected
bikeways,
a
lot
of
progress
being
made
from
private
development
such
as
this
one
which
for
folks
don't
know
this
used
to
be
at
Wendy's
along
Wilson
Boulevard
at
the
near
section
Courthouse,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
new
mixed-use
residential
project
which
is
building
these
offside
bikeways.
A
That
will
be
fully
productive
with
carbon
Gutter
and
concrete
important
in
place,
which
will
tie
up
with
this
new
Bikeway
project
that
is
being
built
with
this
developer.
That's
catty
cornered
to
the
Southwest.
So
when
those
projects
are
both
completed,
they'll
be
a
protected
Bikeway.
All
the
way
from
this,
this
median
Island
all
the
way
down
to
I
believe
North
bike
street.
A
But
then,
aside
from
that,
we
also
installed
predicted
bikeways
when
we
get
a
chance
as
part
of
resurfing
resurfacing
project,
which
is
one
important
task
that
the
complete
streets
committee
commission
is,
it
does
is
basically
helping
us
identify
projects
where
we
could
have
more
protected
bikeways
in
context
with
you
know,
resurfacing
arm
water
projects.
A
So
if
the
county
is
going
to
be
tearing
up,
the
road
anyways
might
as
well
do
what
we
can
to
improve
the
the
facilities
or
even
Implement
facilities
that
are
directed
through
the
MTP
bike
element
and
then,
of
course,
there's
VDOT
projects
which
we
sometimes
partner
on
to
get
more
facilities
as
well.
Some
of
these
next
few
slides
are
just
a
few
repeats.
From
the
last
time
we
talked
about
prioritization.
A
The
MTP
basically
provides
General
guidance
for
where
these
facilities
will
go
and
it'll
depend.
It
definitely
affects
the
scoring
and
evaluation
that
we
have
basically
ensuring
that
blackways
go
work
if
they
have
the
most
impact
in
terms
of
equity,
in
terms
of
areas
that
have
high
air
quality
issues,
areas
to
connect,
destinations,
job
centers,
Park
spaces,
schools.
A
What
have
you
and
then
this
all
kind
of
flows
into
this,
the
scoring
Matrix
and
then
once
we
once
we
determine
a
Bikeway,
we
basically
have
it
scored
and
ranked,
and
then
that's
when
we
to
take
it
to
our
design,
folks
to
basically
engineer
the
type
of
facility
based
on
you
know
the
metrics
that
we
have
and
then
that's
when
we
go
out
and
build
it.
But
as
soon
as
we
build
it,
then
that's
when
we
that's
when
the
evaluation
takes
place.
A
So,
even
though,
even
though
we
may
have
something
installed,
we're
still
going
to
be
evaluating
and
collecting
data,
but
you
know
making
sure
that
anything,
that's
that's
affecting
the
the
network
is
has
been.
It
has
been
tracked
in
terms
of
crashes,
and
what
have
you
then?
Last
but
not
least,
there's
my
age
slot
just
shows
an
example
of
like
the
things
that
we
look
at
in
terms
of
where
we
can
install
new
bikeways.
A
This
is
a
long
Clarendon
Boulevard
between
Quinn,
Street
and
Oak
Street,
and
you
know
we
we're
starting
to
be
more
altruistic
in
terms
of
not
just
looking
at
crashes,
but
also
the
location
of
of
infrastructure
utilities
where
we
have
existing.
You
know,
painting
buffers
on
the
ground
that
could
be
maybe
install
the
concrete
here's,
a
new
CIP
project
that
we'll
be
installing
a
new
bus
boarding
Island
in
addition
to
concrete
protection
for
folks
biking
down
across
Pierce
Street.
A
We're
also
installing
it's
going
to
be
installing
a
new
bike
turn
box
here,
so
folks,
heading
east,
but
maybe
turning
left
onto
Pier
Street,
will
have
an
area
of
Refuge
prior
to
turning
onto
pure
Street.
But
then
we're
also
collecting
more
data
with
regards
to
things
like
blocked
bikeways
through
the
reporter
problem
function
and
basically
tracking
any
kind
of
opportunities
to
partner
with
with
Partners
such
as
Ramada
or
Capital
bikes.
Or
what
have
you
but
yeah?
That's
it's
a
very
brief
overview.
C
H
Yeah,
so
so
you
have
all
these
things.
You
know
who
makes
the
decision
and
how
is
the
decision
made?
What
to
use
you
know,
because
the
ones
that
the
developers
installed
next
to
the
Amazon
site
don't
allow
the
cyclist
to
bail
out
of
the
bike
lane,
if
necessary,
the
ones
on
on
Potomac
Ave
are
40
feet
apart
and
allow
the
cars
to
park
in
the
bike
lane
or
to
drift
into
the
bike
Lanes
when
they
Park.
H
A
Thanks
for
the
excellent
question
Dana,
it
varies
from
Context
to
context,
basically
with
regards
to
the
the
one
on
Eads
that
was
built
in
partnership
with
Amazon.
A
That
was
a
project
that
was
basically
the
intent
was
to
fulfill
the
vision
of
the
MTP
in
terms
of
having
that
highest
quality
bike
facility
in
that
area,
given
the
amount
of
new
employees
new
folks
living
in
the
neighborhood,
so
this
facility
is
basically
determined
to
be
like
the
highest
priority
for
concrete
separation,
while
also
improving
access
to
bus
stops
and
and
having
a
place
of
Refuge
for
people
crossing
the
street.
So
it's
not
just
a
concrete
buffer
for
the
bicyclist.
It's
also
fulfilling
multiple
things
for
all
users
of
the
street.
No.
A
Yeah,
a
lot
of
that
is
I
believe
tied
to
a
specific
temporary
treatments
until
the
entire
Corridor
is
built
like
this
I
mean
it's
going
to
take
a
while,
eventually
all
entirety
of
each.
You
will
look
like
this,
but
for
the
time
being,
we
have
to
basically
work
with
what
we
have
with
the
terms
of
resources.
H
A
Yeah
we
have
the
multimodal
toolbox,
which
we
use
internally
for
our
projects,
but
we
also
use
that
as
a
resource
to
share
with
contractors
and
Consultants.
A
Yeah,
a
lot
of
that
is
done
through
the
site
plan
development
process
and
a
lot
of
that
is
tied
to
you
know
whenever
we
review
private
development,
that's
tied
to
conditions,
so
we
have
folks
in
Des
that
work
hand
in
hand
with
our
partners
at
cphd
and
the
basically
I'm
not
involved
with
that
process.
But
I
I
personally
review
things
more
so
after
things
have
been
negotiated.
A
But
basically
we
have
staff
that
have
these
reset
conditions
and
we
work
hand
in
hand
with
with
our
planners
and
engineers
and
other
departments,
to
basically
make
sure
that
this
is
the
facility
that's
required
and
depending
on
the
scale
of
of
the
of
the
project.
That's
that
determines
the
scale
of
the
the
offside
improvements.
H
A
S
This
one's
a
comment
on
the
thickness
of
the
thermoplastic
being
used
in
the
protected
bike
Lanes
on
the
Clarendon
Boulevard.
My
two-year-old
literally
cries
because
of
the
bumps
of
of
the
paint
that
is
not
painted
is
thermoplastic,
and
it
is
so
thick
that
it's
like
going
over
slalom's.
S
Bike
signal
on
the
street:
the
green
paint
That's
striped,
so
it's
like
the
it's
I,
don't
know
if
that's
standard
for
what
Arlington
does
I
don't
know
if
that's
standard
for
what
everyone
does,
but
it
it
I.
It
makes
it
so
that
I,
don't
like
riding
in
the
very
nice
projected
bike
lane.
A
Yeah,
let's
see
that's
definitely
important
to
know.
The
whole
purpose
of
these
bikeways
is
to
make
sure
that
all
ages
and
abilities
feel
safe
and
comfortable
riding
in
them.
So
if
something
is
making
someone
uncomfortable,
then
that's
not
fulfilling
the
the
spirit
of
it.
So
like
that's,
definitely
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
internally
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
know
about
the
the
thickness.
T
Worries,
thank
you,
and
thanks
Owen,
for
for
reporting
on
this
honestly
I
would
love
to
be
debating
the
thickness
of
the
barriers
and
and
all
of
that
stuff,
but
we
are
so
far
behind.
We
have
such
a
lack
of
low
stress
bike
routes
in
the
county
and
if
you
go
back
to
that
map,
I
think
that,
like
you
know,
puts
a
really
the
big
Spotlight
on
it.
These
are
completely
not
connected
to
each
other.
T
Even
if
you
were
to
superimpose
the
trails
on
there,
they're
not
connected
to
the
trails
they're,
not
they're,
not
a
network,
and
when
I
talk
to
people
about
you
know
like
will
they
bike?
Will
they
let
their
kids
bike
to
school?
Well,
you
know
they
want
to
buy
an
e-bike,
but
where
can
they
go
on
it?
They
look
at
this
and
they
say,
but
where
can
I
go?
T
How
can
I
get
around
I
live
in
Cherrydale
really
close
close
to
Quincy
Quincy
takes
us
into
the
heart
of
Boston,
which
has
a
million
destinations,
but
even
that
Quincy
bike
lane,
which
you
have
marked
on
there
as
protected,
is
not
fully
protected.
Even
for
the
stretch
that
you
marked
because
there's
the
stretch
by
Taco
Bamba
that
has
no
protection
at
all
and
then
there's
the
stretch
by
the
AP
ABC
store
where
we
haven't
managed
to
put
any
concrete.
So
everybody
just
parks
in
it.
T
It's
a
joke
like
we
don't
need
to
spend
our
time
talking
about
which
barriers
are
better.
We
need
to
spend
our
time
getting
low
stress
bike
infrastructure
in
and
might
you
know
yeah
sure
I
have
a
preference
of
One
Versus,
the
other,
but
I?
Don't
care
I'm,
not
even
going
to
tell
you
what
it
is
because
I
just
want
you
to
focus
on
getting
safe
route.
The
other
thing
is
I
appreciate
that
you,
oh
and
if
I
put
this
in
the
chat.
T
But
if
you
look
across
the
river
there's
some
way
to
do
it,
where
you
can
do
it
quickly
when
I
moved
here,
Arlington
was
way
far
ahead
of
DC
on
bike
infrastructure
and
in
15
years
we
have
backslid
and
just
sort
of
unbelievably,
because
we've
done
almost
nothing.
We've
put
these
little
tiny
marks
on
the
map.
When
DC
has
built
out
an
actual
low
stress,
bite.
Network
how'd
they
do
it
I,
don't
know
what
are
we
doing
wrong?
I,
don't
know.
T
You
know,
I
hope
that
you
will
take
that
upon
yourself
to
figure
it
out
and
figure
out
like
what
it
is
about
their
system,
that
they
can
actually
get
this
so
built
and
in
the
ground,
and
you
know
we
can
talk
about
the
rest
and
then
the
other
point.
The
point
you
started
out
with
was
you
know:
we've
built
these
things
around
the
retail
centers,
which
is
great.
That's
where
the
big
buildings
are
that's
where
the
stores
are,
but
we
need
to
also
think
about
the
schools.
T
Kids
cannot
drive,
they
cannot
drive,
they
are
children
and
in
order
to
get
around,
you
know
short
of
waving
a
magic
wand
and
improving
our
public
transportation
Network.
A
lot
biking
is
a
really
really
good
way
for
them
to
get
around
it's
great
for
Child
Development.
It
is
great
for
public
health
and
it
happens
to
save
the
county
directly
money
by
reducing
the
number
of
cars
going
to
schools
and
reducing
the
need
for
school
buses.
T
But
none
of
these
protected
bike
lanes
are
helping
kids
get
to
school.
So
you
know-
and
if
you
luckily,
the
schools
are
everywhere
in
the
county
and
students
live
everywhere
in
the
county.
So
if
you
focused
on
how
can
we
make
it
so
that
all
the
kids
can
get
to
school
start
with
high
school
kids?
Then
middle
school
kids,
then
elementary
school
kids?
T
We
would
end
up
with
with
a
safe
Network
and,
in
the
meantime,
I
think
you
have
a
lot
of
buy-in
and
I
think
you'd
be
very
you'd,
be
efficiently
using
County
resources.
So,
thank
you,
I
know
not
your
fault
directly.
I
know
it's
sort
of
like
giving
you
the
work
but
I
I
honestly,
like
and
I
appreciate
that
you've
been
thinking
about
materials
and
all
that
other
stuff,
but
I,
don't
care
materials
I
just
want
it.
There
I
just
want
it
in
whatever
this
is
the
cheapest.
T
T
In
a
parking
spot
that
was
next
to
a
conventional
bike
lane
and
she
almost
got
hit
as
she
was
getting
out
of
the
car,
because
an
Uber
driver
was
going
through
the
bike
lane
to
turn
right
and
if
we
had
just
put
protection
of
the
bike
lane
for
that
little
bit
of
space
right
at
the
intersection.
Where
we
don't
have
a
park,
a
car
parking
space,
then
the
Uber
driver
would
not
have
been
able
to
sort
of
cut
through
the
bike
lane
to
turn
right
to
cut
around
people.
If
that
makes
sense.
T
In
other
words,
if
we
can
just
protect
as
much
of
the
cycling
infrastructure
as
possible,
even
if
it's
just
the
five
feet
right
beside
an
intersection,
we're
actually
making
the
entire
Transportation
Network
safer,
just
sneak
in
a
couple
Flex
posts
until
we
can
do
better
than
flexbooks.
You
know
and
I
think
that's
it
but
yeah.
Let's,
let's
do
it,
let's
just
get
it
on
the
ground,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
upgrading
it
later.
T
Oh
yeah,
my
last
thing:
I
love
how
you
said
terminology
if
you
can
talk
to
the
rest
of
people
in
DHS
about
terminology
whoever's
working
with
plan,
Langston
Boulevard
has
put
in
buffered
bike
lanes
that
I
think
are
actually
protected
by
Clinton,
but
they're
calling
them
before
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
get.
Why
but
like
let's,
just
as
a
county
have
like
the
same
terminology
on
like
what's
protected
was
buffered
and
what's
nothing
and
let's
not
build
any
more
nothing.
A
Yeah
I
hear
you
Jillian.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
It's
selfish,
that's
a
big
reason
why
I
moved
to
DC,
because
I'm,
a
pretty
big
biker
myself
I
have
two
bikes
that
I
used
to
get
around
I
do
have
a
car
but
I'd
rather
get
around
by
my
bike
by
Metro.
If
I
can
so
like
everything
that
you
mentioned,
I
I
agree,
100
like
I
want
to
live
in
a
community.
That's
that's
a
very
bikeable
not
only
like
crazy
facilities.
A
Personally,
I'm
happy
to
just
be
in
a
buffered
or
a
bike
like
that's
Flex,
post
I
hope
that
they
could
change
things.
C
R
Yeah
Ellen,
since
you
mentioned
you
like
to
bike
and
you
live
in
Northeast
DC-
is
that
right,
I've
been
around
there
a
lot
biking
and
my
biggest
issue.
There
is
all
there's
a
lot
of
protected
bike
Lanes,
but
they're
always
full
of
broken
glass
and
other
debris.
R
R
We
keep
them
clear,
not
just
of
of
cars
and
Ubers,
and
try
trash
containers
and
stuff,
but
of
broken
glass.
They
need
to
be
swept
more
often
than
the
streets,
because
the
cars
push
the
debris
into
the
bike
Lanes,
whether
they're
buffered
protected
or
whatever
the
rain
sweeps
stuff
into
those
extended
gutters.
So
we
just
really
need
to
make
a
priority
of
making
it
usable
protected
as
well.
So
thank
you.
C
C
I
know
that
we're
way
over
time,
so
maybe
we
can
continue.
This
discussion
have
a
Part
B
next
sometime
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
and
that's
a
very
important
question
also
that
that
Aaron
just
raised
about
the
maintenance
component
and
frankly,
I'm
not
even
sure
how
the
county
does
it.
So
maybe
we
can,
we
can
focus
on
that
a
little
bit
more
often
I
avoid
the
lanes
because
of
precisely
what
Aaron
just
said:
I
don't
want
a
flat
tire
I'd.
C
Rather
you
know
ride
with
the
cars
and
and
and
and
keep
my
my
tires
in
good
shape,
but
we
are
way
over
time.
It's
9
10..
Thank
you,
everybody
who
is
still
here.
Does
anyone
have
pressing
BAC
business
or
PAC
business?
They
want
to
race.
C
The
one
thing
that
we
have
not
sort
of
finalized
our
discussion
on
is
how
to
proceed
on
a
letter
to
the
accounting
manager
with
regard
to
National
Airport,
and
so,
if
there
is
interest
in
having
a
BAC
letter
or
possibly
a
bacpac
letter
to
Mr
Schwartz,
then
some
of
us
can
put
succinct
letter
together
with
our
top
priorities
and
hopefully
get
that
to
Mr
Schwartz
fairly
soon,
since
the
deadline
for
input
is
the
28th,
and
we
want
to
get
our
message
to
the
county
staff
well
before
then.
C
So,
who
has
thoughts
should.
Is
that
something
that
the
committee
is
interested
in
pursuing.
N
H
I
think
that
yeah
we
basically
we
could
just
you
know
you
know
Arlington
is
really
not
gonna.
You
know
they
should
be
providing
input,
but
it's
not
clear
they
will
and
they
certainly
if
we
provide
them
input.
You
know
tonight
Arlington's
not
going
to
be
able
to
craft
their
response
by
the
28th.
So
I
would
just
say
we.
You
know
we
individuals,
you
know,
respond
directly
to
to
Emma
and
and
we'll
we
can
see
see.
You
know
you
know,
L,
win
or
Des
or
whoever,
whoever
you
think
we
should
CC
L
one.
C
So
maybe
this
is
something
that
you
would
like
to
speak
to,
because
we
had
talked
about
it
on
the
weekend.
C
You
were
approached
by
by
Emma,
if,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
were
you
planning
to
submit
anything,
I
mean
if
we
gave
you
our
top
points,
would
that
would
that
help
you
or
you
had
mentioned
a
possible
site
visit
with
them?
What
would
be
most
useful
to
you.
P
So
when
we
spoke
I
mentioned
that
I
did
get
the
initial
invite
and
then
they
said
they
would
follow
up
with
me,
but
they
did
not
follow
up
with
me.
So
I
mentioned
to
you.
I
would
follow
up
with
our
contact
to
see
if
there
was
any
updates
or
what
what
you
know
what
he
had
to
say
about
it,
because
I
haven't
heard
anything
since
that
initial
contact,
so
I
mean
any
comments
you
have
you
forwarded
to
me.
P
I
can
add
it
to
my
conversation
and
just
know
while
I
have
him
on
the
phone,
you
know
put
it
in
there
put
that
request
in
there.
So
any
information
you
have
any
requests
like
yeah
I
will
forward
that
to
it's
he's
a
main
con.
He
works
at
DCA
I.
Don't
think
it
was
amwa
that
I
I'm
not
yeah.
So
this
is
an
employee
who
works
at
the
airport,
who
manages
Communications
and
stuff
like
that
that
made
that
initial
Outreach
so
again,
I
could
forward
those
comments
and
anything
you.
You
have
yeah.
Definitely.
P
And
I
mean
I
hope
we
could
still
do
a
site
visit
like
that.
That's
what
they
originally
originally
offered
to
us
to
get
direct
input
from
bike
Arlington,
but,
like
I
said
that
went
silent
pretty
quickly
and
from
you
from
what
you
filled
me
in
on
I,
it
sounds
like
yeah.
They've
went
pretty
internal
with
the
approach.
They
want
to
go
with.
C
Right,
okay,
well,
we'll
see
what
what
we
produce
get
it
to
whether
or
not
we
send
it
through
Mr
Schwartz
or
maybe
we
could
just
send
it
to
you.
That
might
be
the
most
useful
just
so
you
have
all
of
our
talking
points.
Yeah.
P
P
H
H
C
Okay,
because
that
was
I
mean
we'll
keep
working
on
it.
Anyways
I
know:
Pam
is
working,
Dana's
working
and
I've
at
least
started
working
on
it.
So
so
we
will
either.
You
know
just
send
our
individual
comments
or
community
group
comments
or
whatever
or
we
can
we
could
if,
if
Raymond
or
elwin
or
anyone
finds
out
that
there
is
going
to
be
an
Arlington
letter,
then
that
would
be
really
good
to
know
and
we
will
try
and
get
material
to
that.
Individual
ASAP.