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A
A
B
Yeah
again,
I
I,
don't
know
why
it
is
that
you
don't
get
any
smarter,
Mary
I'm
doing
a
hearing
for
both
myself
and
the
trophy
minkos.
So
that's
eight
times
two.
A
Well,
sir,
it
wasn't
agreed
to
because
I'm
the
chair,
I,
don't
know
anything
about
that.
You
were
doing
that
so,
okay,
fine.
So
we
will
combine
this
with
rpc15040055,
including
the
property
at
3811,
14th,
Street
North,
so
Mr
Myers.
You
can
start
with
your
eight
minute
or
16
minutes
and
tell
us
about
these
properties.
B
Yeah
yeah:
this
is
a
disaster
once
again
Rosa.
This
is
why
I
sent
you
the
PowerPoint
this
morning,
because
I
was
afraid
that
there
would
be
technical
problems.
B
A
D
B
Okay,
I've
got
five
primary
points
today,
point
one
in
2022.
Neither
the
department
of
real
estate
assessments
will
all
referred
to
as
the
staff
nor
the
Board
of
Equalization
I'll,
referred
to
as
the
board
complied
with
their
respective
statutory
obligations
under
title
58.1
of
the
code
of
Virginia.
In
the
staff's
case,
the
staff's
methodology
in
assessing
the
appellons
properties
was
not
in
accordance
with
generally
accepted
appraisal
practices,
as
prescribed
by
a
nationally
recognized
professional
appraisal.
Organizations
such
as
the
iaao.
B
In
this
regard,
the
staff
did
not
consider
and
made
no
reference
to
the
toxic
nature
of
the
exhaust
of
the
CNG
fueled
art
buses.
If
the
academic
article
I
included
in
my
presentation,
materials
for
this
year's
hearing
didn't
convince
you
of
the
deleterious
health
effects
of
CNG
emissions
of
very
small
particulate
matter.
B
The
letter
noted
that
the
art
bus
system
is
likely
to
be
the
largest
single
source
of
greenhouse
gas
Emissions
on
Arlington's
roadways.
For
the
staff's
assessment
to
have
met
the
statutory
requirements,
the
staff
was
required
to
conduct
an
environmental
study
as
specified
in
the
iao
iaao
technical
standard
on
the
valuation
of
properties
affected
by
environmental
contamination.
B
A
review
of
the
transcript
of
the
2022
hearing
reveals
that
Mr
King
made
no
mention
of
the
toxic
nature
of
the
exhaust
of
the
CNG
fueled
art
buses
and
is
roughly
one
minute
presentation
and
the
entire
follow-up
q,
a
between
the
board
and
Mr
King
focused
on
noise.
Much
of
that
discussion,
discussion
focused
on
privately
owned
properties,
I.E,
auto
dealerships
and
high
traffic
retail
establishments
such
as
7-Elevens
and
CVS's.
B
B
Second,
what
the
appellants
are
dealing
with
at
the
Quincy
site
is
peak
level
activity
beginning
in
the
morning
from
4
30
to
6
30
and
in
the
evenings
from
10
to
midnight.
What
auto
dealership
is
open
during
those
hours
and
as
for
high
traffic
retailers,
a
person
can
always
call
the
police
if
the
noise
exceeds
that's
specified
in
the
noise
ordinance
after
Mr
King
completed
his
presentation.
The
first
thing,
Mary
Dooley
the
chair
said,
was
that's
it.
She
later
stated
to
Mr
King.
B
B
This
statement,
slash
a
mission,
makes
clear
that
the
staff's
methodology
and
assessing
the
appellons
properties
in
2022
was
not
in
accordance
with
generally
accepted
appraisal
practices.
As
such,
the
staff
committed
manifest
error
in
making
its
assessment
to
use
the
phrasing
of
the
19th
Judicial
Circuit
Court
in
its
June
5th
2018
letter
opinion
in
the
case
of
Army
Navy
Country
Club
versus
city
of
Fairfax
Virginia.
B
B
Having
said
that,
however,
the
Appellate
wants
to
highlight
that
the
staff
has
conceded
that
the
external
influence
reduction
should
apply
to
both
the
land
and
the
improvements
that
comprise
the
appellant's
respective
properties.
The
board
may
recall
that,
at
the
end
of
the
2022
hearing,
there
was
debate
among
the
board
members
as
to
whether
the
reduction
should
apply
only
to
the
land
or
Improvement
component
of
the
assessment.
The
abort,
the
board
ultimately
decided
to
apply
the
reduction
to
the
land.
B
This
is
particularly
egregious
given
the
county
board's
violation
of
the
state
anti-idling
regulation.
Throughout
the
period
of
time,
the
art
pauses
have
been
making
use
of
the
Quincy
site.
The
regulation
limits
the
idling
of
vehicles
in
a
residential
area
to
three
minutes
through
March
2023,
all
of
the
art
buses
idled
on
the
Quincy
site
for
two
to
three
hours.
Each
morning,
two
to
three
hours.
B
Ultimately,
the
DEQ
did
not
do
what
should
have
been
done
of
the
circumstances
require
the
county
to
relocate
the
buses
to
a
non-residential
area
on
May
7
2023
I
provided
Travis
Shelton,
with
a
complete
record
of
the
email
correspondence
I
had
with
the
DEQ
Representatives
on
this
subject.
Even
with
this
information,
the
staff
made
no
adjustment
in
the
assessed
values
of
the
appellants
properties.
B
What
else
didn't
the
staff
do?
In
2023?
The
staff
failed
to
consider
the
other
respects
in
which
the
County,
Board
and
County
staff
are
knowingly
violating
the
law
and
breaching
a
contract
at
the
Quincy
site,
to
the
detriment
of
the
appellants
and
their
properties
and
without
the
appellants
having
any
recourse
as
astutely,
observed
by
Greg
Hoffman
a
year
ago
when
he
said
that
quote,
the
county
is
the
culprit
as
but
one
of
many
examples
of
the
counties
and
fractions.
B
Dating
back
in
1985,
the
Quincy
site
has
been
a
multi-zoned
property.
It
is
not
all
Zone
M1
light
industrial,
roughly
28
percent
of
the
Quincy
site
that
closest
to
the
southern
perimeter
and
the
surrounding
Residential
Properties
is
zoned
co10
mixed
use.
That
area
is
subject
to
a
1985
deed
of
Covenant
and
site
plan,
the
deed
of
Covenant
limits,
use
of
this
portion
of
the
Quincy
site
to
surface
parking
solely
in
accordance
with
the
1985
site
plan
and
other
uses
within
the
limitations
associated
with
R5
single-family
zoning.
B
Given
that
the
site
is
to
be
used
as
swing
space,
The
Cloud
of
uncertainty
makes
it
impossible
for
the
appellants
to
engage
in
informed
financial
analysis
necessary
to
determine
whether
investing
in
maintaining
let
alone
making
improvements
to
their
respective
properties
makes
economic
sense
point
three.
The
staff
does
not
uniformly
apply,
reductions
and
assess
values
based
on
properties
being
pipe
stems
or
any
other
criteria.
To
my
knowledge,
a
taxpayer
must
raise
the
issue
for
the
staff
to
act
in
that
regard.
B
Shortly
after
the
2022
hearing,
I
asked
Derek
Dube
to
provide
me
with
a
list
of
all
the
pipe
stem
Lots
in
Arlington
County
Mr
Dubey
stated
that
his
department
does
not
maintain
such
a
list
and
also
prior
to
the
2022
hearing.
I
pointed
out
to
Mr
King,
the
a
thousand
square
foot
easement
on
my
property
in
2022.
No
reduction
was
made
in
the
staff's
assessed
value
of
my
property
for
the
easement
in
2023
Mr
Shelton,
to
his
credit,
took
action
to
affect
the
reduction
in
the
assessed
value
of
my
property.
B
B
The
point
four,
the
appellants
properties
have
been
rendered
economically
unmarketable
by
the
county
board's
unlawful
uses
of
the
Quincy
site.
Here
are
some
what
I
call
real
world
comparables
based
in
each
case
on
a
single
negative
externality.
These
comparables
reflect
the
appellance
effort
to
meet
the
title,
58.1
statutory
obligations,
I
believe
they
are
far
superior
to
the
status
for
comparables.
The
relevant
quantitative
data
is
shown
on
PowerPoint
slide
number
nine.
As
for
5298
Old
Dominion
drive,
there
is
only
one
issue
preventing
the
sale
of
this
property,
and
this
is
not
speculation.
That
believe
me.
B
B
B
As
for
the
trophy
minkos
over
the
last
several
months,
they
have
from
time
to
time
gotten
calls
from
real
estate
agents
as
a
result
of
their
unsuccessful
efforts
over
20
month,
21
month
period,
March,
2018
and
November
2019
to
sell
their
property
to
date.
The
highest
proposed
listing
price
put
forth
by
any
of
these
agents
is
1.1
million
dollars
lower
than
their
adjusted
tax
basis
in
their
property.
B
0.5,
the
staff's
2023
real
estate
assessments
of
the
appellons
properties
do
not
consider
the
financial
and
other
burdens
imposed
by
the
County
Board
at
the
May
14
2022
County
board
meeting,
at
which
the
five
members
of
the
County
Board
determined
to
ignore
and
violate
federal
state
and
local
law
and
Grant.
A
special
exception
use
permit
with
respect
to
the
parking
idling
and
operation
of
up
to
29
art
buses
on
the
Quincy
site.
County
Board
member
caratonas
made
the
following
remark.
We
know
we
are
asking
the
neighborhood
next
to
the
Quincy
site
for
a
significant
sacrifice.
B
So
for
these
two
years,
a
little
bit
more
than
two
years,
they
will
have
to
deal
with
the
noise
and
the
consequences
of
you
know
being
the
host
of
these
29
buses,
my
wife
and
I
and
19
of
our
neighbors
have
incurred
legal
fees
and
other
costs
in
an
effort
to
stop
the
County
Board
from
its
ongoing
violations
of
Apple
law
at
the
Quincy
site.
My
wife
and
I
alone
have
paid
legal
fees
and
other
costs
in
excess
of
the
amount
of
our
proposed
2023
to
real
estate
taxes.
B
In
contrast,
the
County
Board
has
not
paid
a
penny
of
the
942
500
fine
and
that's
calculated
thirteen
thirty
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
for
each
violation
by
29
art
buses.
They
have
not
paid
a
penny
that
the
DEQ
should
have
imposed
as
a
result
of
the
County's
violation
of
the
state
and
idling
regulations.
Not
one
penny.
B
In
wrapping
up
there's
an
expression
that
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words.
The
pictures
on
this
last
slide
taken
less
than
a
week
ago,
at
around
9
30
PM
capture,
what
it
is
like
to
live
adjacent
to
the
county,
board-owned
Quincy
site,
the
noise
readings
associated
with
this
sweeping
blowing
activity
were
in
excess
of
a
hundred
DPA,
as
previously
mentioned,
the
appellants
and
their
neighbors
have
no
recourse
when
County
Employees
engage
in
such
activity,
regardless
of
the
hour.
Given
the
exemption
under
the
noise
ordinance
to
repeat
Greg
Hoffman's
words,
the
county
is
the
culprit.
E
Just
making
sure
I
have
my
mic
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
go
ahead.
I'm,
sorry,
not
at
all,
not
at
all.
No
interior
or
exterior
inspection
was
conducted
on
either
property.
The
subject
properties,
1540,
54
and
1540
55-
are
both
two-story
frame
houses,
excellent
quality,
15
40
54
has
36
190
square
feet.
15
40
55
has
3
510
square
feet.
Both
were
built
in
the
2001-2000
era,
the
subject
and
the
the
homeowners
he
represents
are
concerned.
The
County
Board
continues
to
make
unlawful
use
of
the
adjacent
property.
E
The
pounds
are
concerned
with
the
use
of
the
Quincy
Sue
site,
RPC
154067
adjacent
to
their
properties,
which
is
being
used
by
the
county
as
a
bus
station.
As
you
noted
from
Mr
Myers
these
cases.
For
these
cases,
the
county
has
reviewed
the
board's
recommendations
from
last
year,
increasing
the
outside
influence
for
the
Quincy
Street
site
from
negative
five
percent
to
negative
10
percent,
which
would
be
applied
to
both
land
and
Improvement
and
research
other
properties
with
similar
outside
influences.
E
Unlike
the
newer
Quincy
Street
site,
these
sites
all
have
prior
sales
data
to
help
better
draw
conclusions
on
the
effect
their
influence
has
on
the
surrounding
properties.
Market
values,
the
county
also
looked
at
sites
like
the
water
treatment
facility
and
Virginia
Hospital
Center
properties
adjacent
to
these
sites
are
receiving
adjustments
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
E
After
giving
more
consideration
to
the
combined
effects
of
having
the
driveway
easement
and
pipe
stem
on
the
property
of
one
of
the
appellants,
which
is
Mr
Meyer's
property,
the
department
has
added
another
negative
five
percent
of
outside
influence
to
the
land
record
and
is
labeled
that
as
other
to
give
the
board
a
summary
of
influences
applied
to
the
properties.
This
year,
the
revised
land
record
for
1540
54,
which
is
Mr
Myers
properties,
receiving
a
total
of
negative
25
percent
for
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
Street
stripe.
The
excuse
me
Quincy
Street
site.
E
It's
a
tongue,
twister
pipe
stem
and
driveway
easement.
The
revised
Improvement
record
for
Mr
Myers
property
is
receiving
a
negative
10
reduction
for
the
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
site
for
the
Truffle
minkos
property
at
15,
40
54..
These
influences
account
I'm,
sorry
for
Mr
Myers
property.
These
influences
account
for
a
total
reduction
this
year
of
three
hundred
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
E
The
revised
land
record
for
the
trophomenko's
property.
1540
55
is
receiving
a
total
of
negative
20
reduction
for
the
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
Street
site
and
the
Pipestone.
The
revised
Improvement
record
for
15
40
55
is
receiving
a
negative
10
reduction
for
the
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
Street
site,
the
1540
55.
E
The
total
influences
account
for
a
reduction
of
254
100
for
the
total
2023
assessment.
The
county
also
wanted
to
note
in
writing
that
the
properties
directly
surrounding
the
Quincy
Street
site
are
all
now
receiving
the
next.
The
same
negative
10
influence
to
their
land
and
Improvement
records
going
forward.
E
It
is
recommended
that
the
2023
assessment
for
15
40
54
be
reduced
to
one
million
three
hundred
and
sixty
six
thousand
three
hundred
dollars
is
also
recommended
that
the
2023
assessment
for
15
45
55
be
reduced
to
one
million
four
hundred
and
thirty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
These
amounts
can
be
confirmed
as
fair
and
Equitable
based
on
the
sales
analysis
that
was
done
for
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
questions
from
the
board
and
I'll
start
for
the
county.
I'm.
Sorry
you
because
you
went
over
those
numbers
really
quick.
Can
you
just
go
back
to
Shelton
and
give
us
the
breakdown
of
those
additional?
It
looks
like
this.
Property
is
25
the
other
one's
20.
I,
just
wanna.
E
Absolutely
yep
so
to
give
the
board
a
summary
of
the
influences
applied
to
both
properties
for
Mr
Myers
property.
The
land
is
receiving
a
total
of
negative
25
reduction
for
the
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
Street
site,
the
pipe
stem
and
driveway
easement.
E
The
revised
Improvement
record
for
Mr
Myers
property
is
receiving
a
negative
10
reduction
for
the
outside
influence
of
the
Quincy
Street
site
for
15
40
54,
the
trophomenko's
property
I'm.
Sorry
55,
the
numbers
are,
the
trophy
mangoes
are
15.
40
55
are
receiving
a
total
of
negative
20
on
the
land
and
a
total
of
negative
10
on
the
Improvement
for
Mr
Myers
property.
All
of
these
influence
combined
account
for
a
total
of
a
three
hundred
thousand
seven
hundred
dollar
reduction
on
the
total
2023
assessment
and
for
the
trophomenko's
property.
A
A
I,
just
Mr
Myers.
Are
you
there,
sir?
Yes,
okay?
Is
there
a
current
lawsuit
on
this
property?
Isn't
there
an
issue
in
the
port
on
this.
A
B
The
County
Board
is
doing
everything
that
it
can
to
stall
the
litigation
long
enough
in
theory
anyway,
for
the
buses
to
be
relocated
to
the
Shirlington
site
at
the
end
of
2025.
in
the
last
year.
You
asked
this
question
last
year,
so
I
guess
I
would
say
here
we
are
a
year
later.
The
entire
progress
that
has
been
made
in
the
litigation
is
that
there
was
a
single
hearing
before
a
judge
in
the
Arlington
County
circuit
court,
at
which
it
was
determined
that
there
is
a
justiceable
controversy.
B
That's
a
legal
term
such
that,
basically,
my
efforts
to
have
the
county
boards
lawsuit
dismissed
were
denied.
B
B
Well,
I
guess
I'd
say:
let
me
put
it
this
way.
I
certainly
was
conscious
as
I
prepared
my
remarks
this
morning
that
if
by
golly
I've,
got
to
appeal
your
decision
today,
then
so
be
it.
But
I
would
tell
you
in
all
honesty-
and
you
probably
can
speak
to
this
with
more
Authority
than
I.
Can
you
typically
don't
see
lawsuits
with
respect
to
property,
even
in
the
value
of
whatever
it
is?
That
decided
is
the
value
of
my
property,
it's
more
for
commercial
properties
where
the
numbers
are
in
the
nine
digits.
B
F
B
B
F
A
All
right,
Mr
Shelton,
if
you
take
a
minute
to
wrap
up.
E
E
This
property
is
receiving
multiple
influences
for
the
pipe
stem,
the
Quincy
Street
site,
as
well
as
the
driveway
easement,
and
this
is
all
without
any
Market
data
to
reflect
upon
as
to
the
influence
this
bus
station
actually
has
in
the
neighborhood.
We
find
that
this
updated
reduction
is
fair
and
Equitable,
and
we
ask
that
the
board
would
consider
reducing
and
confirming,
or
should
say,
confirming,
the
reduced
assessment
for
both
Parcels.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Yeah
I
guess
I'd.
First
of
all,
like
to
make
three
points
that
occurred
to
me
and
I.
Unlike
last
year,
when
I
essentially
had
was
cut
out
of
all
the
discussion
in
the
Q.
A
three
points
are
one:
will
the
pipe
stem,
or
rather
with
the
easement
reduction,
be
accorded
the
same
treatment
as
the
Pipestem
such
that
I
ought
to
get
the
benefit
of
that
for
the
past
three
years,
especially
given
the
fact
that
I
pointed
it
out
last
year
in
Andrew,
King
disregarded
it.
B
The
second
thing
is:
look
at
the
comparables
at
the
the
staff
has
served
up,
I
mean
you've
got
two
properties
here.
One
is
less
than
half
the
square
footage
of
my
property
and
that
of
the
trophy
Mancos
and
the
other
is
roughly
two-thirds
of
the
square
footage.
I
I,
don't
know
I
mean
if
you've
read
the
court
cases
you'd
know
that,
basically
any
Court
would
throw
those
comparables
completely
out
the
window
and
again
I've.
As
I
pointed
out,
there
are
no
external
influences
factored
into
the
evaluations
of
those
properties.
B
As
for
my
properties,
what
I've
tried
to
point
out
is
each
of
the
two
comparables
that
I
served
up
had
one
negative
externality
and
it
resulted
in
reductions
of
five
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
and
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
those
two
properties.
You
know
a
single
factor
in
terms
of
not
being
able
to
get
out
of
the
driveway.
Admittedly
I
wouldn't
want
that,
and
the
proximity
to
the
George
Washington
Parkway.
B
So
with
all
due
respect
to
Mr,
Shelton,
I
guess
I'd,
say
I,
don't
think
his
negative
external
influence
reductions
are
at
all
comparable
to
what
it
is
that
you
know
I'm
dealing
with
here,
abutting
the
Quincy
site.
A
B
That
it
well
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
can
say
which
is
stating
the
obvious.
Is
you
know
the
pro
approach
that
the
de
Rea
tooks
for
this
year,
as
was
the
case
last
year,
doesn't
even
come
close
to
complying
with
the
statutory
obligations?
Are
you
just
going
to
look
the
other
way
at
that.
G
Conference,
the
closest
currency
site,
it's
a
much
smaller
property
that
the
land
is
assessed,
almost
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
right
and
then
these
two
I.
G
The
trophomenko
property,
as.
A
G
A
A
C
C
F
F
F
Wednesday
Mr
Motors
is
bringing
the
issue
of
Environmental
impact
that
has
been
a
market
voice.
I
think
you
know
the
properties
of
the
value.
The
adjustments
that
this
has
been
department
is
making
I
think
there
are
more
than
two
I'm
glad
that
there
was
a
big
action
based
on
the
East
and
we
don't
see
too
many
backgrounds
I
think
they
should
have
reduction
because
they
a
little
normally.
F
F
Here
but
I've
been
clarified
that
it
wasn't,
that
was
the
biggest
dissertation
but
I'm
okay,
with
the
revised.
F
C
G
Thank
you,
Travis
I'm
sure
it
was
the
whole
team
kind
of
working
on
it
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
see
our
recommendations
getting
carried
forward
right,
the
next
year
or
the
year
after
maybe
a
couple
years
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
it
goes
away.
We
need
to
refresh
our
memory
of
why
we
reduced
it
and.
A
These
are
separate
cases,
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
for
PC
ending
at
both
like
four.
G
Sure
I'll
do
it
on
054
motion
to
confirm
the
counties:
reduced
assessment
of
1
million
366
300.
A
Okay,
and
do
you
have
a
camera.
I
H
A
Okay,
there
you
go
perfect
and
then
we
have
Miss
Ruskin
here
person.
So
the
third
and
final
case
on
the
agenda
is.
A
H
Perfect
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
this
case
again
wanted
to
backtrack.
We
actually
had
a
hearing
on
our
taxes
on
this
particular
property
2001
and
unfortunately,
we
had
to
take
it
all
the
way
to
the
board.
H
A
reduction
was
granted
from
1.8
million
to
1.667
and
then
for
whatever
reason
the
following
year,
the
taxes
shot
right
back
up
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
we
actually
missed
that
hearing
date
so
now
fast
forward
to
2023
the
assessment
went
up
again
so
I
guess
ultimately,
where
there
hasn't
been
any
consistency
in
how
the
tax
value
is
is
being
brought.
H
We
agreed
back
in
2001,
a
good
portion
of
the
value
was
based
on
the
cap
rate,
and
then
there
were
some
other
key
factors.
Comps
was
one
of
them.
Condition
was
another
one.
So
when
we
appealed
this
year,
when
I
sent
everything
to
Mary,
you
know,
I
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
there
isn't
any
consistency
on
where
values
are.
In
fact,
ours
is
the
highest
tax
assessed
in
the
community,
and
so
I
went
back
and
I
said.
Okay,
look
based
on
comps
our
subject:
property
is
5184
square
feet.
H
H
You've
got
1101
North
Kensington,
that's
seven
thousand
fifty
seven
thousand
fifty
six
square
feet
and
that's
assessed
that
one
million
four
forty
and
so
then
you
go
back
and
you
check
the
other
comps
there's
several
comps
that
I
give
in
one
two
one:
zero
North
Kenilworth,
that's
5184
square
feet
and
that's
assessed
at
one
million
four
hundred
and
forty
as
well,
and
the
last
comp
we
turned
in
was
six
thousand
204
square
feet
assessed
at
a
million
six
twenty
and
that's
on
57
Washington
Street.
H
H
Is
it
based
on
condition
because
it's
kind
of
all
over
the
place
and
it's
hard
to
figure
out
where
our
value
came
in,
because
if
you
look
at
the
comps
and
you
look
at
the
square
footage
and
you
look
at
the
values-
we're
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
above
the
most
expensive
assessed
value,
so
we're
just
ultimately
trying
to
figure
out
why
it
went
up
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
after
we
just
contested
it.
H
So
ultimately,
I
feel
like
if,
if
we're
gonna
come,
have
these
hearings-
and
we
get
a
reduction-
is
that
does
that
mean
every
year
we're
gonna
have
to
go
through
the
same
process?
H
I
understand
values
do
do
go
up.
You
know
three
percent
four
percent,
but
we
we
had
almost
a
25
hike
after
we,
we
agreed
to
do
a
reduction,
so
I
would
hope
that,
based
on
the
comps
based
on
the
neighborhood
square,
footage
taxes
condition.
You
know,
I've
looked
at
everything.
I've
looked
at
bedroom
count
they're
all
consistent,
but
for
whatever
reason
we
seem
to
be
three
three,
even
four
hundred
thousand
five
hundred
thousand
more
than
some
of
them,
and
we
we
just.
A
Thank
you,
this
Roscommon
for
the
county.
Please.
D
Thank
you
something.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
state
that
I
did
go
out
in
2021
and
inspected
the
site
with
Mr
abadan.
We
did
an
interior
and
exterior
inspection
and
I
asked
him
about
any
updates
that
have
been
made
to
and
at
the
time
he
had
not
owned
it,
but
only
for
a
couple
of
years
this
property
was
purchased
in
2018
for
1.5
million
by
Mr
Abu
dalla.
D
Since
then,
when
you
review
the
attached
income
and
expense
statements
to
the
packet
you'll
note
that
he's
made
a
number
of
Renovations,
a
big
bulk
of
them
into
other
Renovations
and
more
Renovations
in
2000
2020
of
boiler
renovation
in
2021
and
some
lesser
Renovations
in
2022..
So
Mr
adala
has
been
improving
the
property
since
he
has
purchased
it.
So
we
take
a
look
at
that.
We
also
look
at
the
four-year
history
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
2019
to
2000,
20
21
and
the
2022.
D
So
when
you
take
a
look
more
specifically
at
the
2022
in
e,
yes,
our
our
rental
income
that
we're
using
it
is
a
little
bit
higher
and
our
vacancy
rate
is
is
kind
of
in
line
with
what
he's
experiencing
for
2012
22..
Our
ETI
is
only
a
couple
thousand
more
than
what
he's
reporting.
However,
you
did
use
a
substantially
higher
expense
rate
than
what
they
are
reporting
for
the
2022.
D
I
Just
just
to
reiterate
what
Laurie
said:
this
is
a
market
rent
property
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
aware
of
that.
It's
not
committed
affordable
and
it
has
actually
increased
substantially.
In
the
last
few
years
there
was
a
24.1
percent
increase
from
2019
to
2020,
11.3
percent,
from
20
to
20
20,
to
2020
to
2021
and
9.8
percent
from
20
and
21
to
2022,
and
our
January
1
assessment
is
only
2.2
percent
higher
than
what
they
reported
on
their
2022
INE
survey.
I
Again,
we
are
allowing
for
the
higher
expenses
at
29
than
what
they
reported
and
that's
higher
than
what
they
reported
for
2022
and
again,
the
noi
is
2.5
percent
less
than
what
they
reported
in
2022.,
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
to
add
that
and
and
support
of
our
assessment.
Thank
you.
D
The
the
specific
one
that
he
mentions
I
brought
it
up
here,
we're
treating
it
exactly.
D
He
is
using
a
per
square
foot
value
of
the
building,
which
is
something
we
do
not
do
so
maybe
that
might
distort
s
that
we
don't
use
that
rate.
If
you
look
at
a
number
of
bedrooms
well,
we
look
at
a
number
of
bedrooms,
but
number.
H
G
Yeah,
it.
H
D
Number
of
properties
that
are
designated
as
Community,
affordable,
Mr
adala,
does
have
one
tenant.
That
is,
that
pays
that
supplements
their
rent
with
the
HUD
voucher.
Only
one
tenant
that
he's
not
considered
his
property
is
not
considered
committed,
affordable
and
looking
at
this
property.
D
G
G
A
Right
have
lower
rents
and
then
I
have
two
questions
for
the
appellant.
Do
you
understand
what
Miss
Ruskin
is
saying
that
these
aren't
assessed
on
square
footage
and
it's
successful.
A
And
then,
second,
just
to
be
sure
when
you
had
come
in
a
couple
years
ago,
two
years
ago
and
we
reduced
it,
you
said
it
arbitrarily
went
back
up.
I
just
need
you
to
understand
that
when
we
act
as
a
board
here
it's
from
that
year
only
and
it
could
in
fact
go
back
up
so.
F
A
F
I
want
to
do
you
have
any
information
on
the
how
much
the
rents
are.
The
units
that
you
have
I
know
you
have
you
give
the
gross
amount
for
the
year,
but
what
are
the
rings
on
one
bedrooms.
H
So
we've
got,
we
actually
do
have
a
good
amount
of
tenants
in
there
that
are
below
rent
when
I
bought
the
building
I
agree
to
keep
the
rents
until
people
moved
out
so
as
they
moved
out
slowly,
we
made
the
improvements,
so
there's
there's
tenants
in
there
in
North
Arlington
that
I
have
in
there
that
are
as
low
as
1200
and
then
the
units
that
have
cosmetically
been
updated.
H
You
know
paint
resend
floors,
those
are
at
14.95
so
and
then,
as
Mary
suggested,
we
do
have
one
Section
8
tenant
so
but
the
the
rents
have
gone
up,
I
mean
that
we've
made
an
additional
from
2001
to
2022
to
2023.
it's
only
a
28
000
difference
so
for
it
to
jump
up
three
hundred
thousand.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
I
mean
in
2021.
It
went
back
up
to
I
believe
it
was
one
one
million
nine
twenty
one,
and
then
this
year
it
jumped
up.
H
Forty
thousand
I
mean
the
Forty
thousand
dollar
jump.
I
believe
is
consistent.
I
feel
like
that's
a
healthy
appreciation,
but
to
your
to
your
point
when
we,
when
you
guys
reduced
it
to
1667,
and
then
it
jumped
up
three
hundred
thousand,
there
wasn't
a
difference
in
2022
that
that
that's
accounted
for
that
much
of
a
jump.
F
H
D
Sure
just
and
make
you
aware
if
the
assessment
has
been
increasing
year
after
year,
please
take
a
look
back
at
columns
a
b
c
and
d.
You
look
at
the
rents
that
are
being
reported.
They
have
substantially
increased
as.
D
Fact,
from
2021
to
2020,
22.
Mr
Roberto
was
successfully
able
to
increase
those
rents.
11,
which
is
great
I,
mean
kudos
to
him,
who
are
being
able
to
do
that
since
he's
purchased,
property
and
I
think
it's
a
lot
has
to
do
with
the
renovations,
then
he's
a
building.
D
Once
again,
when
you
compare
our
original
January
1
assessment
with
the
2022
look
at
the
bottom
line,
our
noi
is
still
less
than
what's
being
reported
and
that's
primarily
due
to
the
much
higher
expense
rate
that
was
being
used
than
what
is
being
reported
on
the
2022.
In
fact,
it's
higher
than
any
year
that
you
see
displayed
before
once
again,
we
request
that
you
confirm
the
January's
one
assessment
at
one
million
900
61
700.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
so
Mary
indicated
that
a
big
jump
in
assessment
was
because
of
the
renovations
all
the
major
Renovations
were
done
in
2021
and
that's
when
the
reduction
was
granted.
I
do
agree.
You
know
three
percent
is
a
healthy
increase
but
for
whatever
reason
feels
a
little
vindictive
that
it
jumped
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
the
following
year.
So
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
we're,
not
consistent
on
how
we
get
our
tax
value,
we're
saying
it's
not
square
footage!
It's
it's
not
income!
H
It's
not
renovation,
which
one
is
it
because
whatever
benefits
the
county,
they
end
up
saying:
oh,
this
is
what
it
is
and
then,
when
I
say
okay,
what
what
about?
What
about
square
footage?
What
about
units?
What
about
income?
There's?
No
consistency!
There's
40
buildings
in
that
Community
I
am
the
highest
tax
assessed
by
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
I
can't
I
can't
I.
Don't
think
that
I'm,
the
only
one
that's
making
rent
on
these
buildings,
you
know-
and
if
you
look
back
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
is-
is
all
I've
made.
H
So
I'm
really
recuperating
a
lot
of
the
money
I've
put
back
into
it,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
a
slum
Lord
I'm
trying
to
make
this
work
I'm
trying
to
keep
affordable,
they're
still
affordable.
If
you
think
about
it,
fifteen
hundred
dollars
for
a
one
bedroom
in
North
Arlington
is
pretty
affordable,
but
at
the
same
time,
when
your
taxes
are
going
through
the
roof,
your
gas
bills
are
going
through
the
roof
electric.
It's
like
at
some
point.
Then
then
you
start
losing
and-
and
you
can't
keep
these
buildings
updated
properly,
because
you.
A
G
H
A
H
C
C
These
rents
are
working
their
way
up,
I,
don't
know
the
condition
or
anything
on
the
other
buildings
and
some
are
affordable,
but
the
ones
that
aren't
affordable
I
is
he
is
collecting
good
grants.
Some
are
still
low,
but
they've
gone
up
several
hundred
dollars
a
month
as
he
could
and
then
it
did
not
raise
it.
I
don't
know
where
the
others
are
so
I
I
can't
I
look
at
the
numbers.
The
numbers
I
think
are
pretty.
H
A
Know
how
it's
been
done,
whatever's
to
their
advantage,
you
know
I
think
they
use
the
income
approach
every
year
and
the
reason
that
went
up
is
the
county
disagreed
with
our
reduction.
You
know,
I
put
it
back
where
it
was
which
we
see
that
all
the
time
here.
But
when
you
look
at
that,
noi
on
this
property,
I
would
have
thought
with
the
absence
of
colony.
I
would
have
originally
thought.
The
assessment
was
kind
of
a
big,
a
big
leap.
C
Using
the
income
approaches
was
exactly
what
we
do
is
he
rolls
over
some
of
these
units
and
increases
some
of
these
rents.
It's
going
to
go
up
again
next
year,
unless
he
wants
to
keep
the
risk
for
new
people
of
the
lower
rate.
Also.
F
F
185
900.
divided
by
nine
units
to
an
average
rent
per
unit
per
month.
It's
about
Seventeen
hundred
twenty
dollars.
Well,
you
know,
you
know
if
you
syndicating,
that
he's
still
getting
lower
rents,
The
Impossible,
but
you
know
looking
at
the
gross
amount
of
income,
that's
what
I
come
up
with
now.
Looking
at
the
other
properties,
who
knows
what
drinks
they're
getting
and
those
buildings
also
have
paid
units
instead
of
behind
as
far
as
the
account,
so
they
have
put
them
on
the
records.
F
So
you
know
I,
don't
really
see
where
we
can
make
any
adjustments
and
changes.
Noi
is
lower
than
what
he's
actually
getting.
G
G
A
unit
on
annual
expenses
and
in
front
of
building
that
small
and
not
be
a
slumlord
and
actually
treat
it
well
and
take
care
of
people
and
fix
things
like
it.
It's
got
to
cost
more
than
that.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
that
might
not
be
cashing
in
yeah
in
the
ime
expenses
right.
It's
he's
got.
You
know
six
thousand
dollars
in
there
for
management.
You.
G
To
manage
that
building,
so
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
guidelines
1969
and
earlier
the
County's
guidelines
have,
you
know
eight
thousand
dollars
a
unit
on
there.
So
I
think
he's.
G
What
it
probably
actually
costs
and
I
suspect
he's
not
taking
accounting,
his
time
and
effort
and
all
that
stuff.
So
what
I
did
was
I
just
looked
at
the
three-year
average
1920
and
21
as
a
percent,
because
rents
are
going
up,
but
when
rents
go
up,
the
economy.
Expectation
for
services
probably
goes
up
with
it
to
using.
G
Makes
sense-
and
it
was
31-
was
the
three-year
average
and
if
I
just
took
the
County's
assessment
and
put
31
instead
of
29
percent.
C
I
mean
yeah,
yes
and
I
think
he
did
Renovations
boiler
things
that
made
it
more
efficient.
Yes,
Electric's
gone
up,
I
just.
G
C
G
G
That
kind
of
like
an
owner
operators,
don't
do
it
the
way
the
bigger
apartment
companies
will
throw
it
all
in
the
ionies
couple
of
the
expenses.
C
F
C
G
A
A
A
A
There's
one
thing
on
just
so
that
everybody
knows
now:
tomorrow's
meeting
has
been
canceled
because
we
don't
have
a
quorum,
we're
going
to
move
it
to
Tuesday
June
20th,
but
we
need
to
move
the
start
time
to
9
15.
that
works
yeah
that
will
accommodate.
So
we
have
all
of
our
members
here:
okay,
Mr
Yates!
You
got
that
9
15.,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
then,
if
there's
nothing
else,
then
we
will
stand
adjourned
here
at
1004..