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A
B
B
Just
recently,
derek
dubay
has
been
appointed
the
position
of
assessor
and,
as
you
know,
he
or
may
not
know
he
is
out
of
paternity
leave
for
a
couple
weeks.
So
I
am
I'm
going
to
be
acting
director
in
the
in
the
interim.
Maria
meredith
wanted
to
be
here
this
morning,
but
she
had
some
family
situations
that
she
needed
to
take
care
of
she
she's
out
of
town,
but
I
it's
nice
to
meet
you.
I
actually
worked
in
the
department
of
real
estate
assessment
years
ago.
B
I
was
the
appraiser
speaking
doing
cases
before
the
same
board
back
from
94
to
about
2001..
B
At
that
time
I
left
and
went
to
the
department
of
management
finance
still
under
or
went
to
budget
under
the
department
of
management
finance
and
I'm
currently
the
budget
director
for
arlington
county
overseeing
the
operating
and
capital
budgets.
So
with
my
experience
in
real
estate
and
the
fact
that
I'm
physically
located
up
here
every
day,
I
come
in
every
day,
I'll
just
be
helping
to
oversee
the
operations
of
real
estate
assessments
in
the
interim
for
derrick.
B
So
any
commercial
questions,
or
you
know
technical
boe,
related
things,
I'm
gonna
defer
to
the
commercial
appraisers
and
to
derek
but
happy
to
assist
in
any
way
and
or
facilitate
in
any
way
as
as
needed.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
to
you,
mary
and
or
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
A
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you
richard.
Well,
we're
happy
to
have
you
on
the
interim
and
welcome
back,
and
we
will
certainly
be
looking
forward
to
working
with
derek
when
he
comes
back
from
his
paternity
leave.
So
that
being
said,
we've
got
a
quorum,
we'll
move
to
the
agenda
items.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
rpc20012332.
A
C
C
Okay,
great
I'm
going
to
pull
up
my
screen
share
and
oh
already.
C
C
This
is
4141
north
henderson.
I
have
unit
12
11
at
the
back
of
the
building
purchased
for
483
000
in
2018..
C
When
I
purchased
the
property,
I
bought
it
for
thousand
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars
below
assessment,
but
the
assessor
did
not
register
that
sales
price
when
they
arrived
at
their
assessments.
That
year,
six
months
later,
the
assessment
stood
well
above
the
purchase
price
at
2,
505
000,
and
that's
just
continued
that
original
error,
I
think,
has
been
replicated
over
and
over
again.
It
now
is
at
570
000.
C
Mr
carvajal's
statement
in
the
staff
recommendation
for
this
meeting
says
that,
even
after
the
increases
for
2022,
when
the
cohort
of
units
sold
this
in
this
assessment
year,
the
all
of
the
assessment
values
were
lower
than
the
sales
price.
In
my
statement,
I
wondered
why
that
was
being
true,
why
that
was
being
the
case,
but
it's
also
not
true.
There
are
there's
a
cohort
of
properties
that
sold
for
less
than
assessment,
and
they
all
have
assessments
now
over
what
they
were
purchased
for
in
the
assessment
window.
C
That's
the
case
with
my
property,
and
it
has
continued,
as
I
say,
to
unfold,
the
assessment
is
a
strange
system
in
this
building.
This
building
is
50
years.
Old
42
years
is
a
condominium
with
a
wide
variety
of
improvements
and
sales
prices,
even
in
for
the
same
units
over
time
and
yet
there's
a
lock
step
assessment
approach
which
this
you
can
see.
These
are
all
of
the
buildings.
C
All
of
the
units
in
the
11
tier
and
the
only
change
that
the
assessor
sees
and
acknowledges
is
a
change
that
goes
a
thousand
dollars
per
floor
as
you
go
up
through
the
building,
and
this
just
ignores
sales
price
and
improvements.
C
It's
a
world
without
sales
prices,
improvement
case,
one
two
floors
below
me
was
purchased
in
2020
for
527
000,
in
other
words
43
000,
higher
than
what
I
paid
for
my
unit
and
when
I
looked
at
that
and
saw
that
it
was
no
wonder
they
had
completely
remodeled
their
kitchen,
provided
new
surfaces
for
other
walls
and
surfaces
in
the
in
the
building
they
had
in
the
master,
bedroom
laid
new
floors
and
then
completely
remodeled
the
bathroom
grabbing.
C
No
improvements,
the
outside
balcony,
no
improvements,
the
previous
owner
had
owned.
This
for
15
years
had
never
lived
here.
It
was
a
rental
unit,
they
did
cheap
fly
by
their
pants
things
and
when
we
started
poking
around
here,
serious
issues
with
condition
the
the
parquet
floor
is
is
was
molding
and
also
delaminating,
and
this
is
it
today
I
mean
this
is
still
a
problem.
I
live
with
the
leaking
conductors
and
with
the
damage
that
was
done
over
the
rental
period.
C
The
irony
of
this
looking
at
this
unit
is
this
is
back
to
10
10..
The
new
owner
decided
they
didn't
like
all
of
the
changes
and
remodeled
it
yet
again
and
has
spent
in
this
assessment
year,
another
thirty
thousand
dollars,
which
means
that
between
the
purchase
price
and
what
was
spent
this
year,
they're
at
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
more
value
than
my
unit.
C
This
is
totally
new
floors
in
that
that
unit,
and
so
here
you
have,
it
exceeded
the
price,
thirty
thousand
dollars
more
and
yet
their
assessments
lower
than
mine,
two
thousand
dollars
less
than
mine
case
study,
two
twelve
eighteen
same
floor.
Nearly
identical
floor
plan
purchased
right
when
I
purchased
mine
for
forty
six
thousand
dollars
more
than
I
paid
again
perfectly
clear,
remodeled
kitchen
beautifully
done
new
floors.
My
floors
are
50
years
old.
C
These
floors
are
were
laid
in
the
last
seven
years,
remodeling
of
the
of
the
bathrooms
remodeling
of
the
living
room,
tiles
on
the
balcony,
and
yet
their
assessment
is
7
500
less
than
my
assessment.
This
is.
Is
this
equitable?
I
don't
think
so
case
study
three.
This
was
introduced
by
the
assessor
staff
unit,
1024
two
bedrooms,
two
baths,
like
my
unit,
a
complete
gut
rehab
in
2017..
C
C
completely
gut
rehab.
They
went
down
this
comparison
of
their
kitchen
with
my
kitchen,
my
50
year
old
floors,
with
their
less
than
five-year-old
floors
their
living
room,
my
living
room
with
all
of
the
problems
and
then
their
view.
C
Again
off
of
their
balcony
and
my
view
off
of
my
balcony,
looking
into
a
construction
project
in
rising
eight,
eight
and
nine
story
units
buildings
right
in
the
view
shed
of
my
building,
these
are
not
comparable
and
yet
on
this
on
this,
the
assessment
for
1024
this
year
is
44
000
less
than
my
unit.
Is
this
equitable,
mr
carvajal,
might
say?
Well,
the
bluestone
has
a
few
hundred
more
few
square
feet
in
his
unit.
That's
all
over
here.
C
The
hall
way
that
bends
around
plus
50
square
feet
additional
space
in
the
kitchen.
Otherwise
these
units
are
nearly
identical,
and
I
just
think
how
is
it
that
you
can
spend
625
000
and
end
up
with
a
an
assessment
of
44
000
less
than
mine,
again
tale
of
two
sides
of
the
building
big
construction
site
in
the
backyard
of
the
of
the
unit
spacing
in
the
back?
What's
going
up?
Is
732
apartments?
Three,
eight
nine
story:
buildings,
77
000
square
feet
of
retail
space.
C
I
just
think
it's
it's
really
hard
and
then
the
relevant
cohort
two
bedroom
two
baths.
You
can
see
the
three
two
bedroom
two
baths
in
the
front
of
the
building
exceeded
the
2021
assassin
by
18.4
percent.
The
one
sale
of
a
two-bedroom
two-bath
unit
looking
toward
the
construction
is,
is
twelve
point
three
percent
below
the
2021
assessment,
simple
common
sense.
Looking
at
the
sales
data
looking
at
improvements
suggests
a
lower
assessment
for
1211..
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
D
Good
morning,
everybody,
the
subject
is
unit
12
11
at
the
hyde
park
condo.
It
is
a
two
bedroom
two
bathroom
square
feet
and
is
located
on
the
uppermost
12th
floor
with
a
balcony
that
faces
northwest.
The
inspection
conducted
last
year
showed
the
interior
of
the
unit
to
be
near
original
condition.
D
No
changes
were
made
to
the
property
record
following
the
departmental
review
over
the
past
two
analysis
periods.
We've
been
tracking
construction
at
the
harris
teeter
site
to
see
if
it
had
any
effect
on
market
value.
No
change
was
observed
last
year
and
no
change
was
observed
this
year,
as
well
of
all
the
sales
at
hyde
park.
Only
12
were
considered
valid,
open
market
sales
that
took
place
in
the
analysis
period
for
2022..
D
We
saw
everything
from
efficiencies
to
three
bedrooms,
sell
fully
renovated,
as
well
as
lightly
updated
units,
as
well
as
units
facing
north
east,
south
and
west.
All
sales
had
assessments
lower
than
their
sale
price,
with
a
tight
grouping
of
assessment
to
sale
ratios
in
most
units,
but
a
larger
range
in
assessment
to
sale
ratios
for
efficiency
units
direction.
The
unit
faced
or
whether
it
was
slightly
updated
or
fully
renovated
had
no
quantifiable
difference
in
market
value.
D
Overall,
if
there
is
a
clear
and
consistent
quantifiable
difference
between
renovated
and
non-renovated
units,
we
will
go
ahead
and
make
the
appropriate
adjustments
in
mass
appraisal.
We
need
to
observe
what
all
the
units
are
doing
and
not
just
isolate
a
couple.
The
change
for
2022
was
a
eight
percent
increase
for
two
bedroom
units.
While
efficiency
saw
a
twelve
percent
increase
to
their
improvement,
face
values,
one
bedroom
units
appreciated
the
least
at
only
two
percent.
D
There
was
one
sale
of
a
fully
renovated
unit,
1024
that
sold
significantly
higher
than
its
assessed
mint,
but
this
was
only
one
of
the
12
sales.
Other
fully
renovated
units
did
not
see
such
a
premium
value
paid
between
renovated
and
slightly
updated
units
of
comparable
size
in
mass
appraisal.
We
need
to
group
and
analyze
together
all
fully
renovated
units,
not
just
the
outliers.
D
D
D
Comp,
2
and
3
show
the
difference.
We
typically
see
in
market
value
between
renovated
and
slightly
updated
units
at
hyde
park.
This
is
also
apparent
in
the
one
bedroom
and
efficiency
units
as
well.
The
sale
of
comp
4
on
page
5
might
provide
some
more
context
to
market
value
at
hyde
park.
Although
this
unit
is
superior
to
the
subject,
and
that
has
in
that
it
has
one
additional
bath
bedroom.
D
It
has
the
same
amount
of
bathrooms,
and
the
square
footage
is
a
little
closer
to
the
subject.
Having
a
difference
of
only
120
square
feet.
Unit
1010
has
an
updated
bathroom
has
updated
bathroom
vanities,
but
still
the
original
shower
tub
combos,
the
kitchen
countertops
have
been
updated
and
the
flooring
has
been
updated
at
some
point,
not
a
complete
or
full
renovation,
but
typical
updates
that
we
see
in
units
of
this
age
due
to
the
evidence
provided
in
the
comp
sheet,
as
well
as
the
overall
sales
analysis.
D
D
A
You
okay.
Thank
you
before
we
move
to
questions.
Mr
bluestone,
can
I
ask
you
to
take
your
share
screen
down.
Please.
C
I'm
sorry
I
don't,
let's
see
oh
yeah
okay
got
it
could.
Could
I
make
one
comment.
A
A
Okay,
questions
from
board
members,
mr
lawson
welcome
back.
E
Oh,
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
for
the
county.
I
have
three
questions.
Question
number
one:
the
proximity
of
the
grocery
store
to
this
condominium
does
that
factor
in
your
establishing
the
value.
D
The
proximity,
not
necessarily
we
you
know
there-
there
is
a
it-
will
have
an
effect
on
market
value
that
there's
a
grocery
a
block
away
that
is
calculated
in
the
market
value
like
I
said,
the
the
fact
that
that
area
is
being
redeveloped
a
lot
of
construction,
a
lot
of
noise,
we're
keeping
an
eye
on
sales
that
occur
on
that
side
of
the
building
to
see
if
they
have
a
consistent,
quantifiable
difference
in
market
value
between
the
similar
units
that
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
building.
E
Is
this
condo
with
considered
within
the
market?
I'm
sorry
within
the
metro
area,
or
is
it
too
far,
is
the
walk
too
far.
E
Okay
and
then
the
last
one
aren't
the
units,
isn't
the
size
of
most
units
in
this
condominium
larger
than
newer
condominiums?
D
It
it
I
mean
that
they're
for
condominiums
they're,
I
don't
know
we,
we
see
it
all.
We
we
have
units
that
are
300
square
feet,
one
bedroom
up
to
units
that
are
1200
square
feet,
one
bedroom
in
new
construction.
D
F
F
My
question
is
as
one
or
two
examples
of
the
appellant
show
of
really
massive
significant
pervasive
upgrades.
Would
you
take
as
an
example
the
appellants
unit,
which
is
almost
you
know
in
1970?
What
is
the
1970s
effective
age?
Would
you
take
that
out
of
the
box
and
make
it
and
lower
that,
because
the
preponderance
of
of
comparables
are
so
superior
or
do
you
just
go
again?
The
same
to
your
same,
you
know
floor
premium.
D
Right
we
do
when
we
conduct
our
analysis.
We
take
a
look
at
all
the
sales
and
see
what
level
of
renovation
they
have.
We
do
identify
their
level
of
renovation
at
a
building
like
hyde
park.
We
do
see
most
units
have
some
level
of
renovation
just
because
of
their
age.
So,
like
I
was
explaining,
the
comp
4
is
a
good
example
of
like
a
typical
unit.
You
know
they'll
update
small
things
in
the
kitchen
and
in
the
bathroom,
but
they're
not
complete,
blowouts
or
gut
jobs.
D
D
You
know
they
don't
sell
that
often
so
when
we
make
our
adjustments
to
our
analysis,
if
we
can't
quantify
a
value
difference
or
a
percentage
between
fully
renovated
and
original
condition
units
when
we
increase
our
assessments,
we'll
be
a
little
more
conservative
and
for
this
neighborhood
we
maxed
out
at
94
percent
assessment
to
sale
ratio
for
the
neighborhood
overall,
just
because
we
don't
have
that
that
information
in
order
for
us
to
quantify
a
five
percent
adjustment
or
a
ten
percent
adjustment
to
original
condition,
units
which
we
have
in
other
buildings
when
we
have
the
data
available
to
us.
D
But
for
this
building
we
we
keep
the
assessments
low
overall,
because
of
that,
because
we
we
don't
want
to
compare
everybody
to
these
remodeled
units
but
at
the
same
time
recognize
that
we
have
to
bring
the
market
value
up,
but
not
up
to
the
point
that
it
matches
what
it
is
for
these
renovated
units
right,
right
and
and
somehow
acknowledge
that
there
are
several
units
that
are
still
in
their
original
condition.
Okay,.
F
D
The
two
bedrooms
that
sold
in
the
analysis
are
all
they
were
all
300
square
foot
smaller
than
the
than
the
subject.
So
it's
you
know,
I
put
them
in
the
comp
sheet,
so
you
can
kind
of
look
what
their
sale
price
is
and
what
their
their
assessments
are.
But
we
need
a
comparable
unit
to
the
subject
to
sell
something,
either
similar
square
footage
or
something
near
original
condition.
For
us
to
really
well.
F
D
No,
we
we
break
down
so
in
some
buildings,
we'll
see
a
similar
trend
throughout
all
units,
but
it
is
something
we
look
at.
We
look
to
see
if
the
efficiencies
are
doing
something
different
than
the
one
bedrooms
or
the
two
bedrooms,
and
in
this
building
we
were
able
to
to
quantify
differences
in
market
value,
two
efficiencies
and
one
bedrooms
like
I
mentioned
the
efficiencies.
D
Let
me
see
here
the
two
bedrooms.
We
saw
an
eight
percent
increase
in
market
value.
Efficiency
saw
a
twelve
percent
increase,
while
the
one
bedroom
units
only
saw
two
percent.
F
Okay,
thanks
and
finally,
if
you
saw
a
unit
in
the
analysis
period
like
the
one
that
the
appellant
brought
up
just
massively
updated,
would
you
take
that?
Would
you
assess
that
as
an
outlier,
knowing
that
it's
superior
to
all
similar
units,
or
does
it
just
fall
in
the
same
genre
as
any
mass
appraisal.
D
Right
if
I
were,
if
I
were
a
fee
appraiser,
I
think
I
would
be
able
to
pull
it
out.
Make
you
know,
find
comparable
units
find
some
sort
of
adjustment
to
put
on
it
to
increase
the
assessment
in
mass
appraisal.
We
have
to
look
at
the
building
overall,
and
I
we
recognize
that
there
is.
You
know
that
it
was
a
highly
renovated
unit,
but
we
can't
quantify
an
adjustment
on
it.
Just
like
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
quantify
an
adjustment
for
an
original
condition
unit.
If
we
don't
see
enough
data
points.
F
So
people
spending
a
lot
of
money
in
the
the
area
of
assessment
purely
are
probably
getting
a
good
deal,
because
it's
a
mass
appraisal
in
one
neighborhood,
in
this
case
a
multi-family
building.
Okay,
so
some
people
get
a
break
and
some
don't.
This
is
what
you're
saying
relative
to
fee
appraisal
awards.
So
you
know
one
by
one.
E
Yes,
ma'am:
this
is,
for
the
owner.
Didn't
didn't
this
condominium
ban
all
smoking
in
all
units
throughout
the
building.
D
Sure,
no
new
information
to
add
just
that
the
the
the
board
please
consider
the
sales
that
occurred
within
the
analysis
period.
I
do
we
do
recognize
that
there
were
some
late
sales
that
are
coming
in
with
assessments
lower
than
their
assessments
higher
than
their
sale
price.
We
talked
about
this
in
a
previous
hyde
park
case.
D
If
we
see
that
the
assessments
or
the
sale
prices
are
coming
in
higher
than
our
assessed
values
for
the
time
period,
which
encapsulates
the
analysis
period
we'll
go
ahead
and
make
those
changes,
but
for
2022's
analysis
period
when
we
saw
12
sales,
even
after
our
increases
to
the
assessed
value
for
those
units,
the
the
total
assessments
were
still
lower
than
the
market
value
for
the
analysis
period.
So
take
that
into
consideration.
Thank
you.
A
C
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
mr
matskin's
questions
where
those
seem
to
be
headed.
My
unit
in
hyde
park
has
the
highest
assessment
of
any
other
two
bedroom
unit
period.
Full
stop,
there's
no
other
two-bedroom
unit
with
an
assessment
as
high
as
mine,
and
I
think
the
board
could
certainly
come
up
with
a
number
that
represents
the
conditions
that
my
unit
is
44.
000
assessed
over
that
totally
gutted
renovated
unit
makes
no
sense.
C
G
G
Treatment
that
the
county
did,
that
is
unfair
compared
to
the
other
units,
the
all
the
other.
You
know
everything
else
in
the
building.
I've
seen
the
units
that
they
provided
the
appellant
provider
and
the
county
each
record,
and
you
know
all
this:
all
the
assessments
went
up
from
last
year
to
this
year
at
a
pretty
much
the
same
level,
the
same
ratio.
G
So
if
there
is
any
adjustment
to
be
made,
it
would
be
based
on
the
condition,
but
you
know
we've
seen
other
units
in
other
buildings
that
had
similar
conditions
that
were
assessed.
Some
of
them
were
just
you
know,
lack
of
improvements
or
lack
of
making
any
changes,
but
it
didn't
necessarily
affect
the
assessment
per
se
for
the
unit.
So
that
would
be
my
only
concern
as
far
as
just
the
condition
of
the
unit.
H
Jose,
how
do
you
align
that
with
the
assessment
value
of
his
unit
in
that
ranking?
Is
it
just
that
all
the
others
are
low
and
the
county
hasn't
moved
on
people
or
on
the
other
units?
Or
I
mean
he
it's
j.
It
does
seem
out
of
a
line
and
the
comps
that
he
came
up
with.
I
hear
it
and
I
do
understand
the
county's
equalization
requirements
based
on
what
has
sold,
but
his
is
not.
It
seems
to
be
sitting
out
of
that
norm
on
a
bell
curve.
It's
not
in
it.
G
Yeah,
as
far
as
the
square
footages,
you
know
they
they're
in
line
all
the
comps
that
they
provided
unit
12
18
10,
11,
419,
10
10.
They
all
seem
to
be
in
line
except
you
know
most
of
the
two
bedroom
two
bath.
Like
mr
carvajal
said
they
are
smaller
they're.
You
know
in
the
1400
range
square
footage,
so
this
unit
is
1700
and
you.
G
F
I
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
appellant's
point
of
view,
but
and
then-
and
I
have
been
looking
to
see
this
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
an
outlier,
but
I
unfortunately
for
me
and
for
him
I
I
can't
justify
based,
maybe
primarily
in
what
jose
said
it's
it's
an
outlier
for
a
reason,
namely
that
it's
larger
than
the
the
stereotypical
two
bedroom
and
and
maybe
that
offsets
the
fact.
F
It's
also
an
outlier
that
it's
not
as
improved
as
as
the
stereotypical
two-bedroom,
I'm
guessing,
as
we've
heard
several
times
from
the
department
that,
as
they
monitor
sales
on
one
side
of
the
building
towards
construction
and
the
other
towards
greenery
that
this
might
change
next
year
and
the
appellant
is
going
to
because
of
the
noise
and
confusion
is
going
to
benefit.
But
I
do
think
my
bottom
line
is
that
I,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
units
here
that
are
under
assist
based
on
sales
in
the
analysis
period.
F
F
Vote
to
diminish
his
assessment
a
bit-
I
don't.
I
can't
in
good
conscience
do
that.
H
Well,
I
agree
that
his
size
does
set
a
difference
and
it
may
still
be
a
two
bedroom,
but
it's
kind
of
like
having
a
yard
larger
yard.
You
know
but
you're
a
15
percent
difference
and
I
I'm
looking.
I
I
see
what
the
county's
doing
with
the
existing
assessments
or
with
the
sales
excuse
me
I'm
looking
at
the
list
that
he
provided
and
some
of
that
information.
H
I
tried
to
write
down
and
I
think
you
may
be
right
that
it
is
that
the
others
are
under
assessed
and
maybe
the
county-
and
I
don't
mean
anything
against
accounting.
This
they're
seeing
things
happening
and
potentially
happening,
they're
waiting
to
change
some
of
that
until
next
year,
that
he's
sitting
in
this
year
with
the
highest
priced
unit,
with
a
15
difference
in
size,
but
still
a
two
bedroom.
H
G
Did
we
ever
make
any
I'm
sorry
barnes,
don't
need
to
make
any
adjustment
on
based
on
condition
and
other
units.
I
don't
I
don't
recall
doing
that,
but
I
mean
the
other
thing
that
throws
me
off.
Of
making
any
adjustment
is
the
sails
that
have
happening.
You
know
if
there
was
another
unit
that
almost
provided
10
10,
which
is
a
three
bedroom
two
bath.
It
is
larger.
It's
182
square
feet,
it's
about
120
square
feet
higher
than
the
subject,
but
you
know
it
is
renovated.
It's
all
for
659
000.,
so
the
sales
are
there.
G
It's
just
that.
You
know
the
unit
itself.
The
subject
is
not
in
the
condition
that
he
would
bring
that
price,
but.
A
J
A
That
you
just
mentioned:
what's
the
assessment
on
that
property,
do
you
know
the
1800's
foot.
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
share,
I
don't
have
the
benefit
of
other.
You
know
you
all
heard,
apparently
some
other
appeals
on
this
building,
so
I
don't
have
the
benefit
of
that.
For
years
my
office
was
in
this
building
and
the
reason
I
asked
some
of
the
questions
I
asked
was
there
was
no
grocery
store
next
to
us
when
I
was
there
and
I
walked
to
it
all
the
time,
it's
about
three
blocks
away
and
made
it
be
nice.
If
I
had
one
within
you
know
right
next
door.
E
I
think
that
adds
a
lot
of
value.
The
the
condominium
is
really
in
very
great
fiscal
shape.
It's
in
good
shape.
They
have
this
beautiful,
plaza
behind
them
that
I
listened
to
jackhammering
for
like
three
months,
but
now
that
it's
over
it's
a
beautiful
plaza,
and
I
think
this
is
just
a
great
building.
E
It's
it's
about
three
four
blocks
from
the
metro
kind
of
a
long
walk,
but
all
these
units
are
larger
is
my
recollection
from
all
these
new
projects
being
built.
Much
larger,
I
mean
significantly
larger,
and
you
know
this
building
was,
I
think,
the
first
mary
under
the
legislation
that
you
know
was
was
passed
where
you
can
ban
smoking
and
smoking
was
banned.
A
H
H
I
think
he
has
shown
that
except
we
are
dealing
with
what
the
counties
come
up
with
with
their
comps
and
I
it's
it's
a
toss
up.
I'd
love
to
see
everyone
go
the
other
direction,
but
I
could
also
vote
that
this
is
to
confirm
the
county
based
on.
F
A
C
K
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
just
interject
for
a
moment,
farhad
fatakia
representing
polio,
investments
llc,
I
apologize
ma'am,
we
have
an
unfolding
family
emergency
and
I
was
wondering
if
it
would
be
possible
for
us
to
simply
reschedule
this.
I
can.
I
can
come
in
at
the
time
and
date
that
is
convenient
to
the
board,
but
unfortunately
I
won't
be
able
to
be
here
for
our
hearing
today
and
I
just
wanted
to
come
in
and
appear
in
person
just
out
of
respect
for
the
board.
A
K
You
have
a
time
for
that
that
a
time
certain
or
what
slot
number
it
would
be
in,
and
I
will
ensure
that
I'm
there.
K
Thank
you
so
much
ma'am.
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
just
I
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
so
much.
E
A
Remove
him,
can
you
remove
him?
Okay,
all
right.
So
the
second
and
apparently
last
case
for
today
is
rpc
one
eight
zero,
three,
three:
zero,
zero.
Nine.
The
property
is
located
at
937,
north
daniel
street
and
mr
mescal.
You
can
start
with
your
eight
minutes
and
tell
us
about
your
property,
sir.
I
Good
morning
board
the
subject:
property
is
at
937
north
daniel
street.
It
was
built
in
1927.
That's
almost
100
years
ago.
I
purchased
it
in
april
2021.
That
was
just
last
year
for
1.54
million.
At
the
time
the
market
was
extraordinarily
hot,
much
different
than
the
conditions
are
today
and
I
purchased
it,
ostensibly
with
no
no
contingencies.
No
inspection
really
no
contingencies.
My
timing
was
stored,
extraordinarily
terrible.
I
certainly
overpaid
for
this
property.
I'm
very
happy
here,
but
I
certainly
overpaid.
I
The
property
itself
is
approximately
3
200
square
feet.
It
has
five
bedrooms
and
three
bathrooms.
It
has
an
unfinished
basement.
That
is
probably
has
five
foot
ceilings
in
it,
so
you
can't
actually
walk
around
there.
I
I
I
would
call
this
to
some
degree
lipstick
on
a
pig,
the
property
itself
after
living
here
for
a
year,
and
I
have
to
admit
I'm
rather
unsophisticated
in
matters
of
housing
quality,
but
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
actual
real
problems
that
we've
discovered,
there's
termite
damage,
and
these
are
things
that
we
noted
in
the
that
we
noted
the
the
major
maintenance
problems
in
the
appeal,
but
we
could
provide
more
detail
on
that
now.
There's
termite
damage,
the
siding
is
rotting.
It's
got
cedar
siding
and
it's
rotting.
I
The
floors
sag
I'm
sitting
at
my
desk
right
now
and
if
I
were
not
holding
onto
my
desk
my
chair,
would
roll
back.
The
insulation
in
the
house
is
from
parts
of
the
house
are
from
the
20s
and
it's
garbage
in
the
winter.
The
hvac
runs
all
day
and
that's
just
what
we've
found
and
what
we've
observed
by
being
here.
Those
are
not
little
things
that
you
can
just
you
know,
go
hire
a
contractor
to
fix
those
are
major.
You
know
deep
five-digit
expenses
to
fix,
asked
evaluation.
I
We,
our
appeal,
proposes
two
methods
for
value
for
providing
evaluation
for
the
property,
and
we
detailed
this
method
in
our
appeal
and
what
we
put
in
writing
and
we're
not
going
to
go
into
great
depth
on
that
right
now,
because
that's
that's
in
writing.
The
board
has
it,
but
I
wanted
to
just
briefly
talk
about
what
those
methodologies
were.
I
The
first
methodology
that
we
applied
was
a
dollars
per
square
foot
and
the
second
methodology
we
applied
was
a
relative
change
in
assessments
of
other
comparable
properties
to
find
a
batch
or
a
group
of
comparables.
We
conducted
a
nearly
exhaustive
assessment
of
71,
comparable
single-family
homes.
All
these
homes
were
sold
in
arlington
in
2021
all
are
within
a
one
and
a
half
mile
radius
of
the
subject.
Property
all
are
at
least
2
750
square
feet.
I
Ours
is
3
200
square
feet,
so
we
wanted
to
capture
larger
houses
and,
on
average,
of
these
71
properties,
there
are
five
bedrooms
and
five
bathrooms
so
actually
bigger,
better
properties
than
ours
on
a
dollars
per
square
foot
basis
of
the
71
comparable
properties
we
identified-
and
these
are
all
in
the
information
that
we
submitted
to
the
board.
I
The
dollars
per
square
foot
is
447
dollars
per
square
foot
and
we
believe
that
a
dollar
per
square
foot
analysis
is
is
is
a
very
accurate
analysis
because
it
equalizes
for
a
lot
of
things
if
the
property
is
bigger
or
smaller,
a
dollar
per
square
foot
accounts
for
that.
If
a
property
has
an
extra
bedroom
and
a
less
back
and
one
less
bathroom
dollars
per
square
foot
accounts
for
that
too,
it's
really
about
how
you
use
the
space
and
how
big
the
property
is.
I
Ultimately,
what
you
have
is
what
you
should
pay
for
and
if
you
take
447
per
square
foot
and
multiply
it
by
the
square
footage
of
our
property,
an
assessed
value
should
be
1.45
million,
and
this,
interestingly,
represents
a
decrease
of
about
five
percent
from
the
price
that
we
paid
in
2021
in
2021.
We
paid
1.54,
and
our
proposal
today
is
the
property
should
be
assessed
at
1.45,
and
this
this
reflects
a
market
drop
that
occurred.
I
Sadly,
just
after
we
bought
our
property
and
it
also
puts
the
property
in
line
with
comparable
properties
that
have
also
sold
more
recently.
Our
second
methodology
is
a
percentage
change
in
the
2022
assessed
values,
but
this
is
arlington
county's
analysis
and
what
we
did
is
we
compared
of
our
71
comps.
We
looked
at
how
arlington
changed
the
assessment
on
those
71
cops
and,
on
average,
of
all
the
71
comps,
there
was
a
three
and
a
half
decree
percent
decrease
in
the
assessed
value
relative
to
the
2021
sales
price.
I
So
if
a
property
sold
in
2021
for
on
average
arlington
county
decreased
the
sales
price
by
three
and
a
half
percent
to
get
to
the
assessment
for
2022.
on
of
the
71
comps,
we
identified
90.
I
That
of
the
properties
that
sold
before
2021
had
a
decrease
in
the
assessment
and
72
percent
of
all
comparable
properties
sold
last
year.
And
this
is
of
the
71
cops
that
we
found
had
decreased
an
assessment
on
the
assessment
value
from
the
purchase
price
and
so
at
the
very
least,
without
jumping
into
numbers
and
without
getting
deep
into
analysis
of
the
comparable
properties.
And
we
found
71.
I
I
So
if
you
were
to
apply
the
standard
decrease
in
assessments
from
purchase
price
to
sales
price
last
year,
that
was
supplied
on
average
to
all
that
all
the
comparables
we
found
you
take
our
1.54
sales
price
to
subtract,
3.5
percent
as
an
alternative
to
dollars
per
square
foot
on
a
decrease
in
assessment.
You
could
reach
the
number
of
1.48,
that's
a
three
and
a
half
percent
less
than
our
purchase
price.
I
We
have
reviewed
the
county's
analysis
that
was
provided
in
the
packet
and
our
our
biggest
contention
with
the
county's
analysis
is
the
county
hasn't
considered.
Our
methodology
hasn't
considered
our
findings.
It
hasn't
responded
to
it.
It
is
in
this
the
entire
analysis,
that's
provided
by
the
county,
at
least
in
the
information
that
was
provided
to
us
and
the
information
that
is
in
the
record
before
the
board.
I
Is
that
there's
a
simple
statement
in
there,
and
this
is
the
analysis
that
assessments
may
be
above
or
below.
Recent
sales
prices
are
and
are
analyzed
and
adjusted
using
a
mass
appraisal
methodology
and
that's
a
a
rather
general
statement
of
the
methodology,
but
there's
absolutely
no
analysis
of
what
mass
appraisal
methodology
was
used
or
why
it
was
the
appropriate
methodology
or
even
how
it
was
calculated,
and
I
want
to
highlight
that
the
matters
before
the
board
for
consideration
are
limited
to
what
is
in
this
packet.
I
I
have
submitted
a
rather
detailed
methodology.
What
I
believe
the
assessment
should
be
the
county
hasn't,
and
so
just
based
on
this
record,
I
would.
I
would
argue
that
the
county
should
adopt
by
methodology
the
result
of
our
first
round
of
I
don't
call
it
an
appeal.
Our
first
request
to
the
county
could
reconsider
the
assessment.
The
the
county
conducted
a
virtual
inspection
despite
us,
noting
that
there
were
actual
physical
problems
with
the
property.
I
The
county
conducted
a
virtual
inspection,
looked
at
the
pictures
from
the
recent
sale
and
reduced
the
effective
age
by
of
the
property
by
five
years,
and
this
resulted
in
lowering
the
assessed
value
by
forty
thousand
dollars,
but
there's
still
no
real
analysis.
There
was
no
metrics,
there's
no
calculations.
I
C
I
Based
on
the
changes
to
assessments
on
similar
properties.
We
believe
that
our
property
has
been
singled
out
by
having
assessment
by
having
its
assessment
raised
when
90
of
comparable
properties
had
their
assessment.
Reduced
arlington
county
is
entitled
to
an
assumption
that
the
valuation
is
correct,
but
they
shouldn't
be
entitled
to
that
assumption.
If
there's
no
transparency
in
the
methodology
and
no
analysis
is
provided
in
conclusion,
we've
provided
two.
What
we
believe
would
be
acceptable
valuations.
I
The
first
valuation
is
in
a
dollars
per
square
foot
which
we
believe
is
the
best,
because
it
equalizes
for
all
variances
that
would
be,
and
if
the
county
were
to
adopt
that
and
we're
encouraging
the
county
to
adopt
this,
the
valuation
will
be
1.45
as
an
alternative
valuation.
If
the
county
wished
desire
found
that
it
was
appropriate
to
apply
the
decrease
in
assessments
that
were
applied
to
the
comparable
properties
to
ours,
the
assessment
could
be
1.48
and
then,
finally,
even
if
the
county
determines
that,
none
of
these
assessments
are
appropriate.
I
I
M
Good
morning
board,
this
property
was
virtually
inspected
on
march
4th
of
2022.
It
is
a
two-story
wood,
siding
and
cement,
fiber
siding
home
with
five
bedrooms,
three
full
bathrooms
and
an
unfinished
basement
the
year
built
is
1927
and
effective
age
was
2005,
with
the
quality
being
excellent.
Minus
the
appellant
does
feel
the
increase
of
the
property's
value
is
unfair.
Due
to
the
market,
the
homeowner
provided,
seven
comparables,
three
of
which
were
not
in
the
same
neighborhood,
but
the
fir.
M
The
four
that
were
in
the
same
neighborhood
are
as
follows:
eighteen,
zero:
four:
zero:
zero:
three
zero,
which
is
721
north
danville,
was
the
same
neighborhood
as
the
subject
has
a
sale
price
of
one
million
five
hundred
and
ninety
five
thousand.
It
was
a
valid
sale
and
has
an
assessment
value
of
one
million.
Five
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
eight
hundred
the
differences
from
this
property
to
the
subject
is
a
one
additional
half
bath,
a
finished
basement,
lesser
finished
square
footage
greater
year,
built
and
effective
age
and
also
a
greater
quality.
M
The
second
comparable
is
18053010,
which
is
426
north
edgewood,
again
same
neighborhood
as
the
subject,
the
sale
price
was
1
million,
550
000,
with
an
assessment
value
of
one
million.
Four
hundred
and
sixty
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
the
differences
are
a
finished
basement,
lesser
finished
square,
footage,
lesser
effective
age
and
greater
quality
than
the
subject.
M
The
third
comparable
was
eighteen,
zero,
five
one
zero
one:
four
with
a
sale
price
of
one
million
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand,
with
an
assessment
value
of
one
million.
Two
hundred
and
thirty,
seven
thousand
six
600
the
differences
in
the
subject
and
the
subject
are
a
finished
basement,
lesser
finished
square
footage
and
a
greater
quality
and
the
fourth
comparable
is
eighteen:
zero,
five,
four:
zero
zero
one,
a
sale;
it
had
a
recent
sale
price
of
one
million,
six
hundred
thousand,
with
an
assessment
value
of
one
million.
M
Six
hundred
and
one
thousand
five
hundred
the
differences
in
the
subject
is
one
half
bath.
A
finished
basement,
lesser
finished
square
footage
greater
year,
built
and
effective
age
and
greater
quality.
Again,
the
three
additional
comparables
submitted
by
the
homeowner
in
different
neighborhoods
than
the
subject,
the
appellant's
neighborhood
506057
increased
on
average
overall
5.9
percent.
M
The
properties
grade
appeared
in
line
with
the
neighborhood,
but
the
property
was
virtually
inspected
and
changes
were
made.
The
effective
age
was
reduced
from
2005
to
2000,
causing
the
improvement
value
to
decrease
from
745
000
to
7,
or
so
I'm
sorry,
the
improvement
value
from
745
700
to
705
600,
bringing
the
total
value
from
one
million
six
hundred
and
one
thousand
one
hundred
to
one
million
five
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand.
M
E
Yes,
thank
you.
This
is
for
the
owner
on
the
structural
problems.
Have
you
had
any
estimates
performed
of
necessary
repairs.
I
No,
we
have
not
our
estimates
of
we
picked
off
major
things,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
fixed,
but
I'm
looking
at
things
that
actually
require
a
real
contractor
to
come
out
and
do
it.
These
are
not,
you
know,
replace
a
light,
fixture
kind
of
things
so,
and
I
just
know
that
that's
going
to
be
expensive,
so
no,
I
haven't
had
an
ex
an
assessment
to
get
that
done,
but
conceptually,
for
example,
to
replace
insulation.
I
You
know
you
got
to
rip
the
walls
out
and
put
in
insulation
and
put
the
walls
back.
That's
not
a
it's,
not
a
cheap
thing
to
do
like
replacing
a
light
fixture
and
same
thing
with
termite
damage.
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
go
into
the
crawl
space.
Sadly,
and
there
are
holes
in
the
structural
members
they're
soft.
I
F
M
So
so
there
is
some
reference
to
it,
but
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
that
is
deferred
maintenance,
which
we
try
to
account,
for.
We
do
look
into
these
things
and
it
may
be
he.
You
know
the
house
came
with
the
problems.
We
understand
that,
but
it
is
still
considered
deferred
maintenance
that
we,
you
know,
that's
what
we
look
at.
F
M
He
does
have
a
lower
quality
compared
to
some
of
the
other
comparables
that
we
have
that
are
maybe
in
better
shape
than
he
is.
We
obviously
do
look
at
the
quality
in
in
regards
to
not
necessarily
deferred
maintenance,
but
if
it
was
more
damaged
and
like
less
livable
than
we
would
look
at
the
quality,
I
guess
due
to
the
fact
that
he
can
physically
stay
there.
You
know
I
think
quality
has
to
be
a
bigger.
F
F
Oh,
do
you
consider
finished
the
value
of
the
improvement
relative
to
finished,
improved
space
different
if
it's
below
grade
versus
that
or
above
grade,
or
is
it
all.
F
F
A
E
Also
from
miss
churchill,
if,
if
a
report
was
given
to
you
indicating
the
magnitude
of
deferred
maintenance
and
if
the
deferred
maintenance
slips
into
structural,
might
you
lower
the
the
year
that
you
consider
this
building
from
2000?
To
maybe
something?
Oh,
I
don't
know,
maybe
1995
or
something.
N
Hi
board
this
is
andrew
king,
I'm
the
acting
residential
senior
right
now
it
is
something
that
we
would
take
into
account.
It's
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
you
know
the
issue
is:
is
the
the
homeowner
is
still
living
there,
so
that
becomes
an
issue
for
us?
You
know
how
serious
is
it,
how
much
weight
do
we
give
to
it?
You
know:
if
residents
have
you
know
a
leaking
roof?
N
We
don't
go
in
there
and
take
off
any
of
their
any
evaluation
for
that,
because
again,
they're
living
there,
those
that's
part
of
maintenance,
that's
part
of
owning
a
home,
but
again
it's
case
by
case.
You
know,
we'd
have
to
look
at
it
and
take
it
into
account
the
owner
living.
There
is
an
issue
again.
N
N
E
My
mr
king,
I
guess
my
question
or
my
yeah
I
get
my
question
is,
let's
say
it
is
structural
and
in
fact
you
have
to
jack
up
the
house
and
pour
a
better
foundation
whatever
might
that
impact
the
year
that
you
consider
that
that's.
E
N
Where
we
we
lower
the
effective
age
or
we
can
lower
the
condition
we
can
tweak
those
values.
We've
had
houses
that
you
know
have
been
not
abandoned,
but
you
know
almost
unlivable.
You
know
we
do
affect.
We
do
take
that
into
account.
If
it
was
that
serious
and
it's
not
going
to
be
done
before
2023,
you
know
the
appellant
can
have
us
out
and
take
a
look
at
it
or
submit
a
report.
Something
like
that
that
we
could
take
into
account
it's
not
100
percent.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
question
for
the
appellant.
Mr
maskel,
did
you
finance
this
property
when
you
purchased
it.
I
I
A
Okay,
did
you.
N
N
A
M
Okay,
thank
you
board
again.
As
a
result
of
the
review,
the
virtual
inspection
and
information
submitted.
We
did
decide
to
change
changes
needed
to
be
made
to
the
property
causing
a
decrease
in
value,
so
it
is
recommended
that
you
confirm
the
2022
amended
value
of
one
million
five
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand.
Thank
you.
I
Sure
so,
from
hearing
the
board's
position
are
not
private,
so
here
in
the
county's
position
on
how
it
reached
this
analysis,
we
still
don't
know
exactly
what
analysis
method
the
county
used
to
reach
the
value
that
they
came
to
it's
kind
of
an
arbitrary
black
box
and
from
from
me,
as
a
homeowner,
looking
at
what
the
county
did,
I
can't
tell
you
how
the
county
analyzed
any
of
the
comparables
to
reach
the
value
that
we're
at.
So
that's
that's
the
first
problem.
I
The
second
problem
that
I'm
looking
at
is
that
the
county
appears
to
be
providing
a
livability
standard
before
they're,
making
any
changes
to
the
assessed
value
of
a
home,
and
what
we
heard
from
mr
king
is
that.
Well,
if
the
place
is
falling
down,
you
can't
live
there.
The
roof
is
falling
in
we're
going
to
make
some
adjustments,
but
there's
a
sliding
scale,
and
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
binary
thing.
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
very
candid
with
the
board.
I
I
The
the
final
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
that
the
county
has
rated
this
property,
excellent
plus
or
sorry
excellent,
minus,
and
I'm
I'm.
Ultimately,
I
admit
that
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
county's
methodology
for
assessing
that
I
have
seen
things
called
excellent,
plus
and
excellent
minus.
I
assume
there
are
other
things
in
this
range.
I
F
Okay,
I'm
the
least
faint-hearted.
I
I.
I
would
hope
that
I
I
agree.
It's
not
binary.
You
live
in
the
house,
it's
okay!
If
you
can't
live
in
the
house,
it's
not
okay
and
I
think
a
leaky
roof
is
a
whole
lot
different
than
structural
problems.
F
If
the
house
is
going
to
implode
into
the
ground,
that's
a
more
significant
factor
for
sure,
and
I
would
since
and
as
mr
king
said,
if
you
get
over
there
and
get
real
contractor
estimates
and
point
out
things
to
the
the
apartment,
the
department
that
for
next
year,
the
department
may
reasonably
be
convinced
that
the
condition
or
the
quality
ought
to
be
decreased
in
absence
of
any
remediation
of
those
fundamental
structural
problems.
F
But
that's
not
this
year,
because
we
don't
have
any
confirmation
either
between
the
part
of
these
two
parties
or
a
professional
contractor.
The
second,
the
second
contention
of
the
appellant,
is
that
he
doesn't
understand
and
rejects
mass
appraisal
techniques.
F
F
Get
taken
through
in
the
software
that
they
use
and
the
training
that
the
the
department
employees
have,
but
I
haven't
understood
that
he's
asked
for
it,
and
certainly
I
know
he
hasn't
gotten
it.
But
if
he's
dissatisfied
as
an
arlington
taxpayer,
as
everybody
else
on
the
screen,
is
you
ought
to
get
that
information,
but
I'm
I'm
siding
with
the
training
and
the
the
very
significant
software
that
they
that
the
department
uses
to
come
to
their
conclusions
as
sacrosanct
unless
some
massive
something
happens.
F
That
says
that
all
of
mass
appraisal
is
in
this
country
is
is
an
error,
but
otherwise
I
I
reject
the
appellant's
contention
that
it
is
and
finally.
F
I
did
have
one
more
for
us,
maybe
I'm
not
going
to
find
it
should
be
otherwise
I'll,
just
say
absent
those
two
things
it
does
seem
within
a
reasonable
range.
Knowing
again
that
maybe
next
year
things
may
change
based
on
on
the
purported
condition,
but
it
was
what,
within
the
assessment
period,
I'm
a
realtor.
I
know
lots
of
people
don't
get
assessments
in
a
very
hot
market
around
here.
F
H
A
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you.
You
know
from
the
standpoint
of
the
argument
that
the
appellant
made
that
you
know
his
methodology,
possibly
the
dollar
per
square
foot
that
doesn't
hold
water
with
me.
I
mean
there's
a
difference
between
whether
you
have
bathrooms
and
kitchens
or
additional
kitchens
versus
just
open
living
space.
I
mean
that's,
not
a
standard
appraisal
practice
and
or
decreasing
the
a
group
of
the
assessments
in
the
of
the
comps.
A
You
know
I
look
at
this.
I
I
don't
think
from
a
standpoint
of
his
appraisal.
I
mean
his
appraisal
came
in
at
the
same
amount.
Now
I
agree
with
you
mark
that,
had
he
had
a
home
inspection
that
would
have
been
a
time
to
be
able
to
go
back
to
the
homeowner
and
say
before
we
close,
I'm
not
going
to.
You
know,
pay
this
price.
You
know,
but
with
the
absence
of
that,
I
think
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
make
any
adjustments.
A
A
You
know,
there's
additional
information
in
the
package
I
mean
so
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
an
issue
that
the
county
hasn't
showed
him
how
he
came
about
now.
If
there's
other
information
that
the
county's
not
aware
of,
I
think
again,
that's
something
if
we
can
get
it
documented
that
he
would
have
a
good
case
to
have
something
looked
at
in
the
future,
but
just
to
say
here
say:
oh
here's,
this
deferred
maintenance
and
it
affects
the
value.
H
E
Yeah,
the
only
point
I
wanted
to
make
is,
I
think
the
county
did
in
fact
act
in
good
faith
and
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
the
owner
to
you
know
he
needs
to
prove
his
case
and
I
think
in
this
instance
he
needs
to
do
it
with
something
more
than
you
know.
Hey
this
thing
really
needs
a
whole
lot
of
work.
I
think
you've
got
to
demonstrate
that
and
I
think
it
has
to
be
more
than
deferred
maintenance.
G
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
burns.
I
think
that's
really
one
of
the
biggest
points
in
this
case.
You
know
you
can
avoid
or
you
can
choose
not
to
do
a
home
inspection
because
you
want
to
win
the
bid.
If
there's
you
know
multiple
bids
on
a
property,
but
you
know
I
would
never
suggest
any
of
my
buyers
to
do
without
a
termite
inspection.
It's
a
very
minimal
cost
and
you
know
it
sometimes
discovers
more
than
just
the
home
inspection
would
do.
G
But
I
don't
know
if
they
did
one
in
this
case,
but
they
should
have
discovered
if
there
was
anything
like
that,
but
I'm
okay
with
the
assessment.
The
way
it
is.
A
E
C
A
A
All
right
that
completes
the
agenda
with
moving
the
third
case
to
tomorrow,
so
I
believe
we
have
miss
kelly.
L
A
A
L
Well,
good
morning,
everyone
today
we're
going
to
discuss
the
department
of
changes
for
the
2022
commercial
guidelines
similar
to
last
year.
The
guideline
book
is
available
online
and
was
provided
to
the
board
members.
L
We
have
found
that
having
the
information
online
has
been
more
efficient
and
more
transparent,
the
commercial
team
will
discuss
the
individual
property
type
guideline
changes,
trends
in
the
market,
sales
and
publications
that
were
used
to
develop
those
commercial
guidelines
this
year.
The
team
is
similar
similar
to
last
year,
but
the
team
includes
chris
chicas
who's,
the
commercial
senior
and
he's
also
going
to
discuss
apartment
and
hotel
properties.
L
Lori
roskin
will
discuss
general
commercial
properties
and
rob
peralta
will
discuss
office
properties,
and
this
will
be
in
a
similar
fashion.
In
order
that
it's
listed
in
the
guideline
book,
I
mean,
if
you
follow
the
news.
You'll
see
that
that
employees
are
returning
to
the
office.
Federal
federal
government
and
businesses
are
requiring
employees
to
be
back
in
the
office.
Lower
covert
restrictions
or
relaxed,
covert
restrictions
has
been,
has
caused
an
uptick
in
travel
and
an
increase
in
business
traffic.
L
There
were.
There
are
245
boe
appeals
this
year
versus
270
from
last
year,
and
the
only
thing
I'll
note.
As
far
as
I
don't
want
to
go
too
far
into
each
individual
property
class.
I
allow
the
appraisers
to
do
that
is
that
there
has
been
no
change
to
the
definition
of
garden
style
and
mid-rise
apartments
for
this
year
for
the
department.
L
O
Morning
board
members,
if
we're
looking
specifically
at
the
guidelines
themselves,
you're
not
going
to
see
too
much
change
in
regards
to
cap
rates.
Cap
rates
in
fact
stayed
the
same.
We
did
see
an
uptick
in
vacancy
and
collections
vacancy
concessions.
You'll
see
that
kind
of
across
the
board.
O
As
the
board
is
familiar,
we
tend
to
work
off
of
historical
information,
and
so
obviously
there
are
a
bit
higher
rates
of
vacancy
concessions
that
were
felt
in
the
marketplace
in
2020
than
there
were
in
the
year
that
we're
now
and,
of
course,
in
2021-
that's
being
reported
to
us
in
this
year.
So
we
expect
that
that
will
tighten
up
a
little
bit
for
2022.
O
Excuse
me,
2023
and
2022
is
reporting,
but
for
2021
we
did
see
an
uptick
garden
style.
Apartments
went
up
from
six
to
seven
percent
mid-rise
from
six
to
eight
percent
and
high
rise
from
five
to
eight
percent.
O
O
Excuse
me
didn't
see
too
much
change
there
and
again
no
change
in
the
capitalization
rates
that
we've
been
applying.
As
far
as
sales
in
2020,
we
actually
saw
excuse
me
2021,
we
saw
a
fair
amount.
I
believe
there
were
nine.
O
In
fact,
five
were
occurred
after
november
22nd
largest,
of
course,
which
y'all
are
probably
familiar
with,
was
barcroft
apartments
there
in
columbia,
pike?
O
That
was
an
interesting
one
in
that
it
was
got
some
help
from
amazon's,
affordable
fund
and
the
county
actually
also
helped,
and
that
was
essentially
to
preserve,
committed,
affordable.
Previously,
this
was
what
they
call
market
affordable
and
is
now
going
to
be
committed,
affordable
through
covenants
with
the
county.
O
We've
seen
a
continuation
of
sales
throughout
the
county
in
regards
to
multi-family
again,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
guidebook
you'll,
see
that,
as
has
been
typical
the
last
couple
of
years,
the
assessment
to
sell
ratios
is
quite
low.
You
know
the
the
backbone.
The
the
sort
of
driving
force
behind
commercial
valuation
is
that
prison
values
derive
from
future
benefits
the
principles
of
anticipation
and
that's
really
what's
going
on.
O
O
A
lot
of
new
apartments
being
approved
a
lot
of
new
apartments
being
built.
I
don't
know
how
much
you
guys
want
to
go
into
that.
We
tend
to
kind
of
just
do
overviews,
but
we're
obviously
open
for
questions
as
well,
but
there's
a
lot
of
new
activity
going
on
all
around
amazon.
You
know:
we've
talked
for
years
now
about
the
amazon
effect.
Being
you
know
it's
coming
it's
coming.
O
It
is
here
for
sure
you
know
you're,
seeing
that
not
only
with
sales,
but
with
construction
and
also
with
the
kind
of
construction
that's
being
approved.
There's
been
some
of
the
projects
that
have
been
moved
from
office
to
multi-family
and
again,
I
think
that's
sort
of
taking
cues
from
what's
going
on,
what's
already
being
built.
As
far
as
the
literally
millions
of
square
feet
of
office
properties
touch
on
hotels,.
O
Hotels
again
did
not
change
much
for
2022.
We
actually
did
see
some
sales
in
late
2021.
Again
there
was
four
sales
in
2021,
but
two
of
those
were
in
december
so
again
much
too
late
to
affect
any
thoughts
we
had
as
far
as
cap
rates.
So
cap
rates
stayed
the
same.
Really
everything
stayed.
The
same.
O
O
O
Excuse
me
2020
to
get
back
to
2018
2019
levels,
so
you
can
kind
of
suggest
that
we're
in
that
second
year,
if
you
will
of
recovery
about
67
of
levels
from
2019,
there
were
again
four
sales
that
we
noted,
and
this
is
really
again
pure
anticipation
of
future
benefits.
O
Two
of
those
sales
were
on
richmond
highway,
again
really
showing
faith
in
the
commercial
sector
coming
back
hotel
airports
coming
back,
there's
been
a
good
deal
of
uptick
of
business
development
and
national
airport
itself,
with
new
gates,
opening
sort
of
returned
to
to
business
vitality,
as
deidra
noted
with
federal
offices
coming
back
online
and
sort
of
a
push
to
return
to
normalcy.
O
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
anticipation
that
the
travel
is
going
to
to
uptick
relaxation
and
again
safeguards
with
regards
to
restrictions
or
quarantines
even
masking
itself.
So
you
know
we.
We
believe
that
obviously
there's
going
to
be
a
continued
uptick
in
and
a
lot
of
the
hospitality.
But
given
that
we
are
still
looking
at
january
1st
as
our
date
of
evaluation,
that's
basically
where
we're
going
to
be
bound
by.
O
We
do
again
there's
at
least
one
hotel.
That's
been
approved
for
development
and
that's
again,
another
sign
of
faith
in
the
industry
itself.
The
sector.
This
will
be
the
verizon
wells
fargo
site
on
washington
boulevard
in
clarendon.
So
there
is
anticipation
of
a
new
hotel,
obviously
a
holiday
inn,
rosin's
being
redeveloped
and
then
marriott
will
be
sort
of
touched
up.
We
did
officially
lose
and
this
was
more
last
year,
but
americana
has
been
converted
through
sight
plan
and
that
will
be
redeveloped
in
the
multi-family.
O
Do
we
want
to
touch
on
oh
rob's
here
to
speak
on
office
so
that
that's
basically
apartment
and
hotel?
If
that
was
too
quick?
If
there's
any
sort
of
questions
you
have
do
feel
free
to
ask,
follow
up
we're
here
for
clarification
or
any
follow-up
questions
you
have.
P
Sure
for
a
general
commercial,
if
you're
going
to
do
a
comparison
between
2021
guidelines
and
2022
guidelines,
you've
probably
noticed
that
the
the
most
substantial
change
this
year
is
the
vacancy,
the
vacancy
rate
and
some
of
the
expenses
and
what's
happened.
P
As
you
know,
in
the
past,
for
the
last
four
or
five
years,
I
have
gone
to
tremendous
lengths
to
contact
a
large
number
of
owners
on
our
ine
statements
to
get
clarification
on
what
is
base
rent,
that
they're
reporting
and
what
is
pass-through
or
other
or
miscellaneous
storage,
and
so
this
year,
that
vacancy
rate
increased
for
two
reasons,
one.
This
is
based
off
of
2020
ines,
which
is
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
and
so
that
affected
the
vacancy
rate.
P
But
the
other
way
or
the
other
reason
big
reason
is
I've
changed
the
method
of
of
how
I'm
developing
that
vacancy
and
the
expenses
I'm
doing
it
based
off
of
only
base
rent.
It
no
longer
includes
parking,
it
doesn't
include
storage,
pass-through
and
and
other
incomes,
the
vacancy
once
again,
the
vacancy
and
the
expenses
were
developed
off
of
only
the
base
rent
that
is
being
reported.
P
P
P
We
took
this
to
heart
and,
and
we
looked
at
it
and
we
still
did
not
see
a
major
justification
to
change
the
overall
cap
rate
of
7.3
percent
for
the
property
class
codes
of
214
to
19,
251
and
252,
and
those
happen
to
be
your
neighborhood
centers,
your
mixed
office,
commercial,
your
warehouse
and
your
self
storage.
P
However,
we
did
see
a
drop.
We
had
quite
a
bit
of
sales.
We
did
see
a
drop
in
the
property
class
code
211
and
212,
which
is
your
just
your
retail
strip
and
your
restaurants.
We
saw
the
cap
rate
drop,
and
so,
if
you've
noticed,
we
dropped
the
dropped
it
by
15
basis
points.
As
for
the
commercial
condos
and
the
small
office,
those
cap
rates
remain
the
same
and,
let's
see
for
the
mall
cap
rates,
we
looked
at
the
publications
and
we
reviewed
excuse
me.
P
We
reviewed
rerc
and
pwc
and
those
showed
a
for
the
malls,
the
major
malls
that
showed
an
increase
of
30
basis
points.
So
from
last
year
to
to
this
year
we
increased
those
cap
rates
by
30
basis
points
and
then
for
your
power
centers,
which
is
we
call
it
west
post.
If
you
look
at
the
mall
notes,
I've
labeled
it
as
west
post,
but
they're
still
calling
it
pen
pentagon
row.
Excuse
me
yeah.
P
As
for
the
sales,
we
had
a
number
of
sales
that
showed
up
after
I
had
developed
the
cap
rates.
So,
basically,
when
you
look
at
the
sales
list,
anything
that
has
occurred
after
november
15th,
with
the
exception
of
the
arlington
medical
center,
any
of
those
that
occurred
after
november
15,
those
were
not
included
in
the
analysis.
However,
I
did
go
back
and
review
them
and
they
still
support
the
cap
rates.
P
The
current
cap
rates
and
the
only
other
small
comment
that
I'd
like
to
make
and
it's
just
a
minor
one
with
some
of
the
appellants
that
are-
are
appealing
they're,
submitting
spreadsheets
for
rents
and
percentage
rent,
we're
noticing
a
trend
for
2021
that
the
percentage
rents
were
still
being
utilized
in
the
first
half
of
the
year,
but
they're
actually
evaporating
they're,
now
moving
towards
they're
moving
back
to
base
rent
that
doesn't
occur
with
all
of
them,
but
I
am
seeing
a
trend
with
some
of
the
appellants
where
that
percentage
rent
is
going
away
and
they're
going
back
to
the
original
base
rent,
I
think
that's
pretty
much
it
for
general
commercial
and
I
also
hit
on
mold.
P
A
Can
I
just
ask
a
question
why
we
have
it
well,
it's
fresh
in
my
head
when
you
were
talking
about
the
the
pc,
2,
14,
1951
and
52.,
so
it's
mixed
office,
commercial,
warehouse,
self
storage
and
what
was
the
first
one.
P
P
F
Thank
you,
you
would
mention
the
trend.
This
makes
a
lot
of
sense
percentage
rent.
You
know
earlier
last
year
because
they
weren't
selling
much
and
were,
and
landlords
are
good
enough
to
and
smart
enough
and
to
adjust
rents
to
actual
sales
and
now,
as
things
picked
up,
so
what
are.
K
P
So,
for
okay,
obviously
for
appeals,
we're
looking
we're
taking
consideration
to
2021
just
for
appeals,
and
so
I'm
taking
a
look
at
that.
I'm
also
comparing
it
to
2020,
okay
and
making
decisions
on
the
health.
If
you
will
the
health
of
that
particular
property-
okay,
but
keep
in
mind
the
guidelines
are
based
on
2020,
which
is
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
P
I
was
just
noting
that
for
2021,
some
of
those
base
rents
that
their
percentage
went
in
lieu
of
base
rent
they
they
were
still
in
place,
but
they're
starting
to
go
away
and,
like
I
said
it's
only
I'm
only
seeing
that
in
the
appeals.
Okay,
I
haven't
reviewed
all
of
the
2021
ines,
yet.
F
So
so
appellants
proposed
appellants
are
are
bringing
that
up,
though,
that
we've
changed
their
rent
structure
and
you
didn't
account
for
you.
The
department
and.
F
P
So
I
guess
you
could
say
it's
a
case-by-case
basis,
it's
dependent
on
the
property,
but
some
of
them.
When
I
am
evaluating
the
rent,
I
am
identifying
separately
the
percentage
rent,
okay
and
when
I'm
calculating
the
average
rent
it's
based
on
those
who
are
still
paying
base
rent,
okay-
and
I
may
in
some
cases
I
may
decrease-
that
net
leasable
area,
because
I'm
excluding
those
tenants
who
are
being
who
are
paying
on
a
percentage
rent
in
lua
base,
but
it's
a
case-by-case
basis
because
there
are
some
unique
properties
and
they
have
different
ways.
P
P
P
P
I
did
want
to
make
one
note
really
quick
for
the
vacancy
rate,
the
the
vacancy
and
expenses,
what
I
am
doing
with
my
summary
pages.
I
am
highlighting
that
in
gray,
because
the
percentages
are
not
gonna,
look
they're
going
to
go
well,
the
percentage
is
wrong.
You
know
when
you've
based
it
off
of
the
egi.
Well,
just
keep
in
mind.
It's
no
longer
based
off
of
the
egi.
It's
based
off
of
the
base
rent,
and
so
I've
highlighted
those
numbers
in
gray.
Q
Okay,
thank
you,
sorry,
for
being
late
to
the
meeting
of
discussing
cases
that
we're
trying
to
get
done
before
september,
hopefully
for
office.
We
did
look
at
all
the
ines
that
we
received
this
year.
We
got
a
higher
percentage
of
ines
compared
to
last
year,
73
last
year,
as
opposed
to
84
percent.
Q
So
we
got
a
higher
number
of
data
to
review.
However,
we
got
more
of
the
same.
A
lot
of
the
reporting
again
was
all
actual
information.
What
we
find,
what
we
found
in
the
past
as
you'll,
see
in
the
cases
coming
before
you
is
the
actual
rant
being
reported
and
not
the
potential
gross
a
lot
of
times.
Q
Q
We
had
a
strong
number
of
sales
this
year,
as
opposed
to
years
previous
and
and
these
sales
kind
of
happen
in
different
parts
of
the
year.
So
we
thought
it
was
a
good
indication
of
what
the
market
was
for
office.
Q
Q
Basically
in
the
roslin
courthouse
boston
area,
I
mean
that's
not
indicative
of
what
we're
seeing
in
the
rent
rolls
when
we
review
the
cases.
However,
this
is
again
the
information
I
receive-
and
this
is
a
portion
of
a
large
portion
of
that-
is
because
they're
reporting
actual
income
with
vacancy
across
the
board
we're
at
24
percent
an
increase
about
four
percent.
From
last
year.
Last
year's
was
about
20
across
the
board
for
vacancy
with
expenses,
we
looked
at
the
range
again,
we'll
see
the
range
had
increased
compared
to
last
year.
Q
I
believe
the
range
increased
only
a
few
dollars
from
last
year.
I
think
our
range
in
2021's
of
17.
Q
Q
We
did
find
that
the
reported
actual
income
received
for
parking
spaces
did
decline
and
that's
indicative
of
you
know
not
many
people
coming
into
the
office.
We
do
see.
However,
there's
been
a
shift
where
it's
more
of
a
hybrid
approach
that
office
buildings
are
taking
and
a
lot
of
the
businesses
are
taking.
Cap
rates
didn't
change
again,
based
on
the
sales
that
we
did
receive.
Q
I
mean
we
did
have
great
sales
this
year
that
that
kind
of
showed
that
the
cap
rates
should
be
changed
should
be
lowered
in
a
sense,
but
I
mean
we
didn't
take
that
change
to
heart,
given
the
situation
we're
in
with
covet
and
things
like
that
and
more
of
a
hybrid
situation
with
most
businesses.
Q
The
outlook
for
office,
I
think
it
actually
looks
good.
I
mean
we
see
reports
on
both
sides,
one
saying
doom
and
gloom,
and
I
can
only
report
on
what's
happening
in
arlington
and
what
we've
seen
is
we
had.
I
believe
it
was
boeing
that
is
relocating
their
headquarters.
Here
we
have
a
recent
article
that
raytheon
is
moving
their
headquarters
here.
I
believe
it's
in
roslyn
amazon's
moving
right
along
there's
a
we
hit.
They
hit
a
milestone
where
they
reach
the
the
top
of
the
building.
As
far
as
construction
is
concerned,.
Q
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
We
did
make
a
change
with
respect
to
the
ti's
allotted
for
vacant
office
space.
We
increased
that
to.
I
think.
The
range
that
I
have
here
is.
Q
One
second
115
for
buildings
that
charge
45
or
more
or
newer
buildings
or
renewal
leases
in
excess
of
45
dollars.
A
square
foot
was
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
add
chris
or
deidre?
I
think
yeah.
O
It
was
really
just
kind
of
season
upon
what
rob
just
talked
about,
and
that
was
that
this
you
know
again.
We
harp
on
the
samsung
effect,
but
it
is
real.
You
know.
Boeing
was
technically
already
here,
but
now
fully
fledged
their
office
headquarters
will
be
here.
Moving
from
chicago
raytheon
just
announced
today,
microsoft
has
a
heavy
presence
here.
We
always
have
you
know
we're
we're
lucky
that
we're
right
off
the
federal
government
to
literally
across
the
potomac
river.
O
O
I
think
you
will
see
a
trickle-down
effect
into
a
lot
of
these
mixed-use
businesses
that
have
retail
on
the
bottom
floor
and
a
goalie
we
heard
about
mom
and
pop
place,
like
the
dry
cleaners,
were
being
affected
because
people
weren't
you
know
putting
their
their
button
downs
on,
and
so
they
weren't
losing
business.
O
We
expect
that
to
come
back,
you
know
even
more
so
than
all
the
foot
traffic
we
saw.
Last
year
and
that
sort
of
resurgence
again,
we
talked
about
federal
government
coming
back
and
and
sort
of
all
that
trickled
down
from
travel
and
again,
all
the
hangers
on
the
the
support
services
that
want
to
be
with
these
companies.
You
know
amazon
and
microsoft
are
competing
for
government
contracts,
but
then
you
gotta
remember
that
a
lot
of
contractors
are
competing
for
amazon
and
microsoft,
business
and
so
they're,
obviously
high
highly
paid
employers.
O
If
you
will,
we
they're
highly
qualified
as
far
as
multiple
degrees,
so
as
far
as
the
the
people
that
we
have
in
the
county
have
a
lot
of
money
to
spend
and
they've,
stuck
by
and
and
sort
of
seen
resurgence
in
a
lot
of
these
neighborhoods
in
roslyn
boston
quarter,
et
cetera,
so
it's
kind
of
being
paid
back
in
dividends
in
regards
to
basically
that
what
we've
seen
on
the
office
effect,
you
know,
we
do
hope
that
that
don't
trickle
down,
but
we
also
have
seen
some
conversions
of
apartments
into
multifamily,
more
so
in
the
surrounding
jurisdictions.
O
Where
I
live
here
in
falls,
church
barely's,
crossroads,
they're,
actually
converting
some
of
the
skyline
properties
into
multifamily.
We've
seen
that
through
the
site
plan
redevelopments
and
the
owners
are
asking
for
permission
to
turn
over
from
office
to
multifamily.
But
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
see
some
of
the
older
buildings
sort
of
also
change
over
and
look
for
conversions
as
opposed
to
trying
to
stay
at
40
percent
occupancy.
So
any
wrap
up
d
or
just
questions
from
the
board
members
just.
F
Thank
you.
I
I'm
anticipating
a
little
negative
feedback
from
appellants,
so
I
want
to
ask
this
question:
make
sure
I'm
clear
you
were
talking
about.
Sales
were
strong.
F
I
also
all
mentioned
that
there
were
a
bunch
in
the
last
month,
six
weeks
of
2021
that
are
just
too
late
for
you
to
to
to
take
into
account,
but
that
cap
rates
have
stayed
the
same
or
dropped
in
a
couple
of
classifications.
F
O
So
yeah
the
question
is,
you
know:
will
we
use
20
the
sales
from
october
on
it
it's
very
similar
to
the
residential
side,
in
the
sense
that
we
can't
adjust
our
guidelines
once
we
basically
set
them
and
then
any
valuations
that
we
made
and
then
restart
them?
If
you
will,
with
the
new
sales
information,
so
this
sales
information
will
be
used
for
the
2023
year
and
then
in
our
guidebook
for
2022?
O
O
2020,
I
can
look
back
at
there,
but
yeah
20
20
years
previous.
We
will
take
into
account.
I
think
it's
the
same
thing
like
most
of
the
research.
We
do.
We
place
more
weight
on
the
recent
sales
that
go
on
throughout
2020
2021,
but
by
we
get
to
september
october.
We're
already
you
know,
knee-deep
in
our
analysis,
so
it's
it's
tough
for
us
to
really
take
too
much
consideration
of
those
yeah.
L
Right
those
cells
aren't
ignored,
though
ken
I
mean
they
did
fall
outside
of
the
analysis
period
for
2021,
so
that
they
were
looked
at
to
see
if
they
were
in
line
with
where
we
are
currently.
And
if
you
look
at
this
sales,
the
assessment
of
the
sales
ratio
and
some
of
those
sales
you'll
see
that.
The
reason
why
we
didn't
make
adjustments
was
because
there
wasn't
anything
that.
J
Was
warranted
at
the
time
when
we
did
the
the
analysis
for
2022.
F
As
it
turns
out,
but
the
very
very
late
in
2021
sales
again,
you
said
a
bunch
after
november
22nd
a
bunch
in
january
of
2021,
were
they
stronger
per
square
foot
I
mean:
are
things
improving
in
the
commercial
sales
arena
as
we
go
over
the
last
13
14
months.
C
O
That
again,
we're
just
low
or
that
they
are
privy
to
and
that's
the
way
I
would
tend
to
look
as
they're
privy
to
more
recent
information,
so
we're
looking
at
sales.
Information
from
you
know
a
full
year
back
they're
looking
at
trailing
12,
which
could
be
as
early
as
the
week
before
so
a
lot
of
times
when
they're
getting
these
net
operating
incomes
they're,
making
due
diligence
decisions
based
on
real
time,
facts
we're
using
assessments
based
on
one
full
year's
previous
information.
Sure.
F
Sure-
and
I
guess
that's
why
your
cap
rates
held
steady
and
to
a
limited
extent
dropped
so
they're
they're
getting
the
benefit.
This
is
apparently
it's
swinging
up
and
they're
getting
the
benefit
of
old
data
last
year.
Of
course,
it
was
the
opposite.
Okay
thanks.
I
wanted
to
be
clear
on
that,
because
I
know
it's
going
to
come
up.
L
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
other
questions
from
the
board,
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone
knew
that
we
are
still
available
to
respond
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have
after
you've
reviewed
the
guidelines
and
and
let
the
information
process
as
you
process
the
information
from
today.
We
are
starting
commercial
cases
tomorrow,
and
so
I'm
sure
that
there
will
be
questions
after
that.
But
we're
available
to
respond
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have
going
forward.
O
And
I
think
we
reached
out
to
greg.
I
think
this
similar
thing
happened
last
year
when
we
met
with
greg
independently,
so
we
can
we'll
reach
out
to
him
as
well.
E
Yeah,
the
the
only
negative
thing
I've
noticed
in
the
commercial
in
office
is
it's
taking
a
really
long
time
to
get
building
permits
and
a
really
long
time
to
get
your
inspections
and
then
often
materials
are,
you
know,
takes
a
while
to
get
them
and
they're
more
expensive
and
rob.
I
think
I
think
you
mentioned
that
you're
you
increased
tenant,
build
out
how
about
how
about
tenant,
how
about
time
to
build
out
or
were
those
adjusted
at
all.
O
O
Q
O
And
it
could
be,
mr
lawson
that
the
time
to
build
out
may
be
captured
as
far
as
like
lease
up
sort
of
situation,.
E
Yeah
yeah,
you
didn't
call
it
time
to
build
out
of.
I
think
it
was
in
anticipated
time
to
lease
up
thanks.
G
Yes,
good
morning
to
follow
up
on
that,
the
tenant
improvements
is
that
something
that
you
you're
you're,
seeing
in
some
of
the
appeals,
because
I
know
it
always
comes
up.
This
is
the
first
year
that
I
see
that
is
based
on
the
square
footage
amount
that
they
pay
it's
more
than
45.
Then
it's
115..
Q
No,
we've
always
had
that
criteria
jose.
That's
always
been
there
and
and
again
I'm
limited.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
information
I
receive,
I
mean
a
lot.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
information
that
I
do
get
that's
more
intimate
with
each
office
building
is
when
the
review
happens.
Q
Q
So
it's
it's
limited,
but
I
do
see
the
information
upon
review
and
I
can
make
adjustments
accordingly
as
the
board
as
well.
Okay,.
J
And
it
is
noted
in
the
2021
guidelines,
so
it's
it's.
It's
been
the
case
as
far
as
the
ti's
and
how
they
in
the
approach
to
those.
L
All
right
again
we're
we're
available
to
to
answer
any
questions.
We
thank
you
for
your
time.
It's
going
to
be
a
long
year.
We
are
steadily
processing
cases
I'm
in
contact
with
rosa.
I
know
that
there
has
been
some
issues
with
trying
to
get
a
full
calendar
day
for
some
commercial
cases.
That's
that's
mainly
because
a
lot
of
the
appeals
that
we've
seen
so
far
have
been
adjusted.
L
So
we
have
to
allow
time
for
the
appellant
to
either
accept
or
to
move
forward
with
the
board
case,
so
we
are
pushing
through
we're
trying
to
process
cases
as
quickly
as
possible
so
that
we
can
get
through
this
2022
board
session,
and
so
we
appreciate
your
support
this
year.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
the
commercial
team.
Okay,
so
does
anybody
else
have
any
other
business
that
we
need
to
address
before
we
adjourn
now,
just
as
a
note
remember
that
we're
going
to
hear
the
third
case
from
the
agenda
today
on
the
agenda
tomorrow,
so
add
that
to
that
and
then
otherwise
all
right.
Well,
then,
if
there's
no
other
business,
then
we
will
adjourn
here
at
10,
51
and
re-adjourn.
Tomorrow,
wednesday,
the
8th
at
9
a.m
see
everybody
in
the
morning.