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A
8Th
2022,
this
is
the
arlington
county,
virginia
board
of
equalization
hearing.
There's
two
cases
on
the
agenda:
we're
going
to
start
with
the
first
one,
which
is
rpc1504054
a
3801
14th
street
north.
Mr
donald
myers
is
here
and
the
owner
of
the
property.
Mr
myers,
you
can
start
with
your
eight
minutes
and
tell
us
about
this
property.
Sir.
B
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
sort
of
stop
right
now
and
tell
you
that
I
had
an
understanding
with
rosa
torres
that
there
would
be
a
single
hearing
for
the
two
properties,
one
of
which
is
my
own
and
the
other
for
which
I'm
acting
as
agent.
And
I
would
be
given
16
minutes
in
lieu
of
the
fact
that
there
won't
be
two
separate
hearings.
B
B
Nothing
that
I
say
today
should
be
construed
as
an
admission,
an
acknowledgement
or
concession
of
any
point
that
pertains
to
the
litigation
that
is
outstanding
and
in
that
regard,
it
should
also
be
understood
that
I
continue
to
be
of
the
view
that
the
county
board
has
engaged
in
an
unconstitutional
taking
of
my
property
and
and
that
of
the
trophumencos
without
just
compensation
as
I've
asserted
in
my
litigation.
B
B
B
B
The
rea
applied
a
one-size-fits-all
approach.
The
rea
applied
a
minus
five
percent
outside
influence,
and
this
is
in
quotes
to
land
or
improvements
in
line
with
other
similar
properties
in
the
county.
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
429
2022
and
430
2022
letters
proposing
the
reductions
in
the
appraised
values
of
the
appellant's
respective
properties,
you'll
see
that
that's
appears
in
both
cases,
my
property
on
the
trophy
main
coast.
B
On
page
three
of
those
documents
number
two,
the
rai
identified
three
locations
in
the
county,
that
quote
unquote,
stood
out
as
being
similar
in
use
or
impact
on
the
surrounding
properties,
parcels
the
virginia
hospital
center.
The
east
falls
church
metro
station
and
the
water
pollution
control
plan.
A
B
B
Well,
so
far,
I'm
I'm
actually
with
where
I
am
in
terms
of
my
remarks.
Oh
you're
right,
I
fell
one
slide
behind
anyway,.
B
Articulated
point
three:
the
three
county-owned
properties
that
do
allow
for
industrial
use
are
the
green
valley,
shirlington
site
the
shirlington
trade
center
and
the
east
light
maintenance
facility
water
treatment
plant
in
crystal
city.
These
properties
are
discussed
at
greater
length
at
point
two
point:
four,
the
rea
selected
three
comparable
properties
located
at
well.
B
You
can
see
that
on
the
screen,
and
you
can
also
see
the
distances
of
those
three
properties
to
the
quincy
site,
which
my
property
in
the
trophy
minko's
property
directly
at
butts
and
we're
less
than
100
feet
from
the
art
buses.
I
would
suggest
to
you
basically
that
none
of
those
properties
can
be
considered
to
be
comparables.
B
B
B
So
what
I
basically
just
tried
to
explain
why
it
is
that
the
reas
method
of
assessment
appraisal
rather
was
in,
is
totally
flawed
and
not
consistent
with
the
iaao
standards.
So
what
should
the
rea
have
done?
B
I
then
had
a
lengthy
discussion
with
miss
shannon
hiss
sharon.
Excuse
me
a
representative
of
the
iao.
She
walked
me
through
the
steps
an
appraiser
should
perform
when
confronted
with
a
situation
like
this
one,
and
I
made
contact
with
some
seven
real
estate
appraisers
in
and
around
arlington
county,
explaining
the
relevant
facts
asking
each
of
them.
What
procedures
he
or
she
would
need
to
follow
to
meet
the
iao
standards.
B
Identifying
other
areas
of
any
within
arlington
county
that
are
made
use
of
for
light
industrial
purposes
have
similar
nautic
externalities
in
terms
of
the
noise,
the
environmentally
harmful
emissions
affecting
air
quality.
The
exact
rating
of
existing
traffic
conditions
have
comparable
mitigation
measures
which,
in
this
case,
are
effectively
none
and
are
surrounded
by
resident
residential
properties
as
close
in
proximity,
as
the
appellant's
properties
are
to
the
sources
of
the
noxious
effects.
In
this
case
again,
within
less
than
100
feet,
step
two.
B
If
such
areas
can
can
can
be
identified
within
arlen
county,
it
cannot
be
identified
within
arlington
county,
expand
the
search
area
to
other
counties
in
virginia,
if
necessary,
outside
the
state
of
virginia
step.
Three,
once
comparable
areas
have
been
identified,
study
historical
sales
transaction
data
to
determine
the
before
and
after
market
valuations
of
the
surrounding
residential
properties,
as
well
as
transaction
and
transactions
in
which
the
owners
of
surrounding
residential
properties
were
not
able
to
sell
their
properties
and
finally,
step.
B
Four,
with
the
information
gathered,
engage
in
a
regression
analysis
to
calculate
the
percentage,
impairment
and
value
resulting
from
the
noxious
uses
of
the
contiguous
property,
in
this
case
the
quincy
site,
the
appraisers.
I
spoke
to
indicated
that
this
process
would
take
substantially
more
time
than
the
rea
typically
dedicates
to
its
appraisal
process.
B
I
then
spoke
to
miss
hiss
about
what
it
is
that
I
learned
from
those
appraisers,
and
she
confirmed
that
the
iao
would
in
fact
say
that
that
process
that
was
described
to
me
would
be
proper,
given
the
facts
at
hand.
B
Which
is
that
there
are
very
few
properties
in
arlington
county
that
are
owned
by
the
county
and
zone
for
industrial
use.
They
are,
as
I
previously
mentioned,
the
green
valley,
shirlington
art,
bus
site,
the
charlington
trade
center
site
and
each
light
maintenance
facility.
B
Which
my
wife
and
I
drove
down
to
just
this
past
weekend
is
basically
there
are
no
residential
properties
and
that
directly
above
the
trade
center
other
than
what
is
referred
to
as
the
wingate
village
condominium
complex,
which
is
quite
different
in
terms
of
slackhole,
with
the
price
point
and
the
nature
of
the
housing.
Anyway,
you
can
see
by
the
way
on
this
slide,
that
the
the
windgate
village
condominiums
are
on
the
top
left
portion
of
the
screen
and
having
a
walk
driven
through
the
trade
center.
B
That's
not
where
the
buses
are
located
by
the
way.
So
again,
the
distance
is
not
comparable
and
then
the
third
location.
B
Is
the
age
light
maintenance
facility
again
my
wife
and
I
drove
there
just
this
past
weekend.
The
nearest
residential
properties
are
a
good
two
tenths
of
a
mile
away
and
at
a
significantly
higher
elevation
than
where
the
noxus
uses
are
located.
B
So
now
I'm
going
to
offer
up
what
I
think
should
have
been
one
of
the
comparables,
but
wasn't
on
the
part
of
the
county,
the
there's
a
property
located
at
1660
north
george
mason
drive
it's
a
townhouse
4
900
square
feet.
It
was
put
on
the
market
on
may
24
2022
at
a
million
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
326
dollars
per
square
foot
in
the
last
month.
The
price
has
been
dropped
four
times
and
is
now
at
a
million
five.
Fifty
five
three
hundred
seventeen
dollars
a
square
foot.
B
Why
is
the
former
property
price
so
significantly
below
market?
And
if
you
use
the
square
foot
price
of
the
second
property
and
multiply
that
by
the
square
footage
of
the
first
property
that
property
should
have
been
on
the
market
at
two
million
dollars?
B
Instead,
it's
at
a
million
five
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
and
not
getting
any
interest
whatsoever.
I
tried
to
reach
the
listing
agent
roy
cohn
last
week.
He
has
not
returned
my
call,
but
I
feel
relatively
certain
that
he
would
attribute
the
under
market
asking
price
and
price
reductions
to
two
factors:
one
there
is
an
art
bus,
stop
immediately
in
front
of
the
property
and
two
the
virginia
hospital
center
is
directly
across
the
street.
B
B
B
Well,
I've
talked
to
four
real
estate
agents
over
the
past
couple
of
months
to
solicit
their
views
on
how
much
of
a
haircut
the
propellants
and
I
would
the
opponents
would
have
to
take
to
sell
our
respective
properties
all
were
reluctant
to
serve
up
a
number.
B
They
cautioned
that
such
a
pricing
strategy
could
result
in
raising
alarms
with
prospective
buyers
such
that
no
offers
would
be
forthcoming
significantly.
I
think,
though,
is
that
all
of
the
four
real
estate
agents
expressed
reluctant
reluctance
to
serve
as
the
listing
agent
of
either
of
both
of
the
properties
citing
four
primary
reasons,
one
the
risk
to
their
reputations,
two,
the
risk
of
being
sued
even
with
full
disclosure,
as
I
would
insist
upon
three-
a
lack
of
confidence
that
the
county's
current
use
of
the
quincy
site
would
be
quote
unquote.
B
Temporary
to
use
the
county's
word
title,
highlighting
that
three
years
is
not
temporary.
In
any
event,
I
guess
I'd
highlight
also
that
the
county's
contract
with
the
arlington
public
schools
for
parking
of
the
white
fleet
bans
on
the
quincy
site
is
also
characterized
as
temporary,
but
the
contract
it
provides
a
base
term
of
two
years
with
up
to
six
year
automatic
one
year
renewal.
So
in
other
words,
eight
years,
which
is
the
county,
is
characterizing
as
temporary.
B
And
finally,
the
county's
intended
use
of
the
quincy
site,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
is
to
serve
as
swing
space,
which
creates
an
a
cloud
of
uncertainty
to
use
my
term
regarding
other
potential
noxious
uses
in
of
the
quincy
site
in
the
future.
B
The
county
board
members
themselves
have
acknowledged
the
burden
that
they
are
imposing
upon.
The
surrounding
residential
properties.
Consider
the
remarks
of
board
member
caratonis
and
again
I
provided
you
with
a
transcript
of
the
board
discussion
at
the
may
14th
meeting,
so
that
you
can
verify
these
words.
It
says
we
know
that
we
are
asking
the
neighborhood
next
to
the
quincy
property,
for
a
significant
sacrifice
for
these
two
years.
B
I
don't
know
where
he
got
to
two
years:
it's
three:
they
will
have
to
deal
with
the
noise
and
the
consequences
of
you
know
being
the
host
of
these
29
art
buses.
I
understand
that
des
the
department
of
environmental
services,
arlene
county,
has
done
everything
they
can
to
mitigate
their
impacts.
In
fact,
the
county
has
done
essentially
nothing
and
we
are
also
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is.
B
I
don't
know
what
money
is
referring
to
when
we
are
committing
very
soon
we'll
be
committing
to
the
a
process
that
will
plan
the
use
of
this
site
for
a
permanent
for
permanent
use.
Right
now
we
are
asking
just
for
a
temporary
use.
The
county
board
is
making
a
big
deal
of
the
temporary
use
of
the
zoning
ordinance
makes
doesn't
make
that
relevant
in
any
way.
B
B
B
B
A
D
A
C
Okay,
great
mary
good
morning
board
so
I'll
just
be
covering
both
properties.
Here
we
have
3801
14th
street
north,
a
two-story
single
family,
home
four
bedrooms,
four
and
a
half
bathrooms
a
basement
garage
and
then
3811,
14th
street
north,
a
two-story
single
family,
home
four
bedrooms,
four
and
a
half
bathrooms
and
a
detached
garage
3801
was
built
in
2001,
has
an
effective
age
of
2001,
and
the
quality
of
excellent
3811
was
built
in
2000,
with
an
effective
age
of
2
000
and
a
quality
of
excellent.
C
Both
these
properties
neighborhood
increase
3.5
percent
for
2022.
Due
to
the
sales
analysis,
both
of
these
properties
were
not
inspected
for
3801.
The
quality
and
effective
age
were
assumed
to
be
in
line
with
the
neighborhood
due
to
the
construction
age
for
38.11.
This
property
was
also
not
inspected,
but
the
quality
and
effective
age
appear
in
line
with
the
neighborhood,
based
on
the
photos
from
the
2018
listing.
C
C
They
would
have
been
great
to
have
for
our
data
analysis,
but
there's
no
residential
properties
or
single
family
residential
properties
there
for
us
to
use
so
the
big
ones
that
we
looked
at
were
virginia
hospital
center
east
falls,
church
metro
station
and
the
water
pollution
control
plan,
as
well
as
various
commercial
sites
across
the
county.
C
So,
after
looking
at
all
that,
we
look,
you
know
we
look
at
the
assessment
to
sales
ratios
for
those
properties
see
if
any
adjustments
can
be
made
looking
at
what's
already
in
taken
into
account
and
what
could
be
taken
into
account
and
they
all
seem
to
indicate
roughly
a
negative
five
percent
adjustment
on
the
land
and
improvements,
and
we
feel
that
the
the
county
owned
property
is
now
similar
in
effect
on
some
of
those
other
properties
on
the
surrounding
residential
properties.
C
So
this
was
applied
to
the
subject:
property
of
3801
and
also
3811..
We
also
put
a
negative
10
percent
pipe
pipe
stem
adjustment
on
the
land
on
both
of
those
properties.
They
both
are
pipe
stems
the
property
the
3801
did
not
seem
to
be
inspected
or
updated
since
construction.
So
I
consulted
the
plat
on
file
for
that
property,
which
resulted
in
some
square
footage
adjustments
for
38.11
same
thing.
It
didn't
look
like
it
had
been
inspected
since
it
was
built.
C
So
I
again
consulted
the
plat
on
file
in
the
2018
listing
both
of
those
resulted
in
some
square
footage.
Adjustments
for
the
properties
now
the
comp
sheet
for
the
surrounding
area
we
feel,
is
pretty
strong,
especially
accounting
for
the
size
and
age
of
the
subject,
property.
C
There
were
no
comparable
properties
submitted
by
the
appellant,
except
for
the
troffomencos
listing
which
didn't
sell
look
into
the
future
if
there
are
comparable
sales
adjacent
to
the
site
that
come
through,
we'll
always
look
at
those
and
take
those
into
account
our
evaluation,
but
there's
just
nothing
right
there
right
now
for
us
to
look
at
so
that's
why
we
expanded
it
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
these
other
high
traffic
areas
and
industrial
sites
in
the
county.
C
C
The
property
value
was
revised
from
1
million
699
100
to
a
revised
value
of
one
million
five
hundred
and
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars,
and
we
feel
those
are
supported
by
the
sales
in
the
in
the
area.
Thank
you.
C
I
mean
there's,
you
can
always
ask
questions,
but
you
know
they're
we're
really
just
going
off
the
sales
data
and
what
we
could
find
and
work
from
for
sales.
Comparison.
E
I
got
one
just
to
the
appellant,
I
think
at
the
end
of
your
presentation.
You
mentioned
that
this
is
an
investment
property
or
you
made
an
investment
in
this
property.
Could
you
just
expand?
I
mean:
is
this
an
income
producing
investment?
Is
there
any
income
associated
with
it
or
is
it
just
a
speculative?
I'm
gonna
buy
a
house,
and
then
I'm
gonna
sell
it
years
later
at
a
different
price.
B
B
B
So
you
take
the
750
000.
Now
I'm
close
to
two
a
million
dollars
I
could
go
on,
but
the
point
is
that
I've
invested
close
to
a
million
eight
to
get
the
property
in
its
current
condition.
I
am
not
renting
the
property
it's
being
made
use
of
as
a
primary
residence.
That
was
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make.
I've
got
a
million
eight
hundred.
A
Okay,
I
I
have
a
question
for
the
appellant.
I
was
confused
in
your
opening
statement
that
there's
a
lawsuit
currently
against
the
county
for.
B
B
Basically,
alleging
that
the
county
had
no
right
to
deny
my
appeal
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
with
respect
to
the
actions
taken
by
the
county
board
to
grant
a
special
exception.
Use
permit
to
allow
those
art
buses
to
be
on
the
quincy
site.
B
Which
is
why
I
inquired
rosa
attest
to
this.
In
fact,
I
think
andrew
king
can
also
attest
to
this,
that
I
raised
a
question.
Could
this
hearing
be
held
today
and
andrew
king
responded,
basically
that
that
was
not
relevant
for
purposes
of
this
hearing.
C
I
wrote
to
mr
myers
that
it
would
not
be
used
in
our
case
against
him
for
the
hearing
if
he
wanted
to
bring
it
up
his
case.
He
could,
but
it
wouldn't
have
any
impact
on
our
evaluation
of
his
property.
A
Okay,
so
all
right,
mr
king,
you
really
did
not
even
address
any
of
the
external
issues
that
the
appellant
brought
up.
You
did
a
great
analysis
of
you
know
the
sales
in
the
neighborhood
and
whatnot,
but
you
know
this
property
and
similar
properties
are
certainly
different
than
some
of
the
other
properties
in
this
neighborhood.
C
Sure
I
mean
so
so
we
realized
that
you
know
this
is
an
industrial
site
there's
going
to
be
buses
there.
Like
I
said
we
tried
to
compare
it,
we
tried
to
find
other
areas
that
had
either
you
know
high
traffic
areas
like
the
hospital
or
you
know
we
looked
at
fire
stations.
Also.
You
know
they
have.
You
know
loud
trucks
going
all
the
time
we
addressed
it
through
the
reduction
on
the
property.
C
We
give
a
negative
five
percent
adjustment
to
the
land
and
the
improvement
to
take
that
into
account,
and
that's
really
what
we
see
in
line
with
some
of
the
other
industrial
sites
in
the
county
and
the
hospital.
The
fire
stations
east
falls,
church,
metro
and
the
water
pollution
control
plan.
Again,
you
know
we
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
data
to
go
off
of
if
the
tropomencos
property
had
sold,
you
know
and
it
sold
for
85
of
its
assessment.
C
You
know
that's
something
for
us
to
go
off
of,
but
we
we.
We
feel
that
the
reductions
really
bring
the
property
in
line
with
what
that
listing
price
ended
up.
What
the
final
listing
price
was
on
the
trufflemenkos
property,
especially
including
you
know
some
appreciation
over
the
past
few
years.
That
listing
was
for
2019,
so
we
have
seen
a
large
increase
in
property
in
sales
values
over
the
past
few
years.
C
So
we
feel
it's
in
line
with
the
with
the
the
previous
listing
price
of
the
tropomencos
property,
without
a
lot
of
other
information
to
go
off
of.
B
C
C
That's
for
being
adjacent
to
the
county-owned
industrial
site,
so
those
are
the
same
changes
we
make
for
properties
that
are
near
east
falls,
church
metro,
if
they're
near
virginia
hospital
center.
If
they're
near
the
water
pollution
control
plant,
some
of
the
fire
stations
have
those
not
all
properties
adjacent
to
the
fire
stations
have
those,
but
this
was
used
on
some
of
them.
C
F
I
have
two
questions
for
the
department:
the
first
one
you
just
now
partially
answered,
namely
bringing
up
private
sector
noisy
uses
7-eleven.
What
not?
I
assume
that
also
includes
from
time
to
time
as
an
example,
because
it's
a
better
a
more
closely
related
example
to
this
particular
case
automobile,
says,
sales
and
or
service
establishments.
F
There's
certainly
plenty
of
signal
family
houses
that
have
bought
to
them,
so
they
typically
on
case-by-case
basis,
also
enjoy
this
five
percent
discount.
Okay,
because
we
kept
talking
about
public
uses
in
the
in
the
hospital
center
quasi
public.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
really
way
more
than
that
so
yeah.
C
It
should
have
been
clear-
I
mean
lots
of
great
lots
of
properties
that
are
adjacent
to
retail.
Have
these
have
these
five
percent
adjustments.
C
Now
we
usually
don't
see
it
go
much
higher
than
that.
I
mean
we
have
some
certain
road.
The
busiest
roads
in
the
county
go
a
little
bit
higher,
but
there's
nothing.
We
see
that's
that
far
out
of
line.
You
know,
from
from
sales
price,
to
assessment
that
really
really
takes
it
more
than
you
know,
10
or
something.
We
don't
see
that
much
change
in
sales
prices.
F
And
we
on
the
board
have
certainly
seen
excuse
me
plenty
of
appellants
on
very
busy
arterials
getting
a
10
discount,
just
as
you
said
so
that
that's
established
for
the
record.
Second
question
is:
have
these
two
appellants
received
the
5
for
noise
and
the
ten
percent
for
pipe
stem
in
prior
years,
or
is
this
the
first
time
this.
C
Is
the
first
time
so
you
know,
like
I
said,
not:
every
property
adjacent
to
an
industrial
retail
gets
that
five
percent.
You
know
it's
a
case-by-case
basis,
there's
a
subjective
decision
that
we
make
so
they
hadn't
gotten
this
five
percent
for
the
industrial
site
in
previous
years,
but
that's
a
decision
we're
making
currently
and
going
forward.
The
pipeline
adjustment
probably
should
have
been
on
there.
C
We
didn't
have
that
in
previous
years,
but
that
should
have
been
on
there
just
in
terms
of
equity
with
other
pipe
stem
properties
in
the
county.
C
That
just
the
study
I
mean
you
know
it
it.
It's
not
always
brought
to
our
attention
that
something
has
changed
or
that
uses
has
changed.
So
it's
something
that
we
take
into
account
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
just
move
forward
from
there
in
terms
of
changes
that
we
see
affecting
the
property.
F
A
Okay,
to
follow
up
on
that
just
one
thing,
and
then,
mr
h,
you
can
follow
me
just
to
make
sure
the
site
plan's
been
in
place
since
1985,
and
this
new
usage
that's
being
used
with
moving
the
buses
here
and
whatnot.
A
C
B
C
I'm
not
sure
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
really
have
much
for
adjacent
to
any
kind
of
site.
We
do
have
it
for
50
through
50
and
I
think
some
sections
of
lee
highway,
so
the
busiest
roads
in
the
county
do
get
up
into
ten
percent,
but
that's
about
it.
C
C
And
some
of
that's
just
the
nature
of
the
county,
I
mean,
I
know
mr
myers
brought
up.
Looking
you
know
outside
arlington
or
outside
virginia
arlington
is
a
you
know,
a
very
specific
case.
You
know
you
could
you
could
put
lots
of
lots
of
negative
type
places
adjacent
to
a
property
and
it
would
still
sell
for
a
good
amount.
I
mean
there's
only
so
so
low
that
a
property
is
going
to
go
in
the
county
in
terms
of
sale
prices.
C
Sure
sure,
so,
without
very
much
sales
data
to
go
off
of
submitted
by
the
appellant,
the
department
feels
that
the
changes
made
to
the
property
in
terms
of
the
negative
outside
adjustment
that
we
applied
and
also
the
pipe
stem
adjustment.
We
feel
this
brings
the
values
of
both
3801
and
3811
14th
street.
C
In
line
with
what
the
troublemaker's
listing
was
back
in
2019,
taking
into
account
increasing
sales
prices
again,
we
recommend
the
revised
assessment
of
one
million
forty
four
hundred
fifty
two
thousand
per
thirty
eight,
a
one
and
a
revised
assessment
of
one
million
five,
oh
eight,
nine
hundred
for
thirty
eight
eleven.
Thank
you.
A
B
First
of
all,
the
trophy
minko's
property,
as
indicated
in
the
submission
that
I
made
in
advance
of
the
hearing,
was
dropped
in
a
listing
price
by
345
000,
which
represents
roughly
25
of
its
original
listing
price
25,
not
5,
not
10,
but
25,
and
even
still
it
after
19
21
months,
didn't
get
it
receive
a
single
offer
and
then
the
other
thing.
I
guess
it
would
highlight.
Somebody
raised
the
issue
of.
I
don't
know
whether
it
was
a
cvs
or
other
retail
establishments
or
an
auto
dealership.
B
I
guess
I'd
highlight
to
you
that
at
least
the
auto
dealership
is
not
open.
24
7.,
these
buses,
the
peak
time
in
which
they're
leaving
the
quincy
site
is
four
am
and
the
peak
time
in
which
they're
returning
is
midnight.
B
I
can
tell
you
it's
now
been
what
about
two
weeks
that
my
wife
and
I
have
basically
not
been
able
to
sleep
through
the
night
and
by
the
way
it
doesn't
make
any
difference.
We
move
to
the
front
bedroom
of
the
house.
Our
back
of
their
house
is
looking
right
out
on
the
buses
or
whatever
the
difference
in
the
noise
level
is
about
2
dba,
which,
if
you're
familiar
with
that
metric,
you
know
basically
is
inconsequential.
B
The
reality
is
we're
dealing
with
the
equivalent
of
a
noise
level
of
a
jackhammer
being
operated
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
and
I
guess
I'd
say
the
other
thing
that
if
you
looked
at
the
last
slide
that
I
had
which
pictured
the
buses
taken
from
my
property
right,
it's
imagine
you're
sitting
there
at
you're,
standing
there
at
your
kitchen
window,
washing
dishes
or
whatever
it
is
that
you're
doing
and
you're
looking
out
at
29
art
buses.
B
B
A
You,
sir,
it's
just
among
the
board
members
now.
F
I
have
three
comments
for
us.
The
first
one
is
that
I
don't
believe
that
these
properties
for
comments
are
are
valueless.
Are
they
worth
less
than
if
they
were
two
blocks
away
for
sure,
but
they're
not
valueless?
F
Second,
I
I
wanted
to
ask,
but
I
it
wasn't
fair
to
ask
the
appellant
why
the
other
there's
a
string
of
houses
that
back
up
to
this
property
and
not
all
of
them
joined
in
on
this.
F
I
I've
got
a
couple
of
theories,
none
of
which
are
particularly
valuable
because
they're
only
mine,
but
I
was
wondering
why
it's
only
two
out
of
five
or
whatever
that
nobody
else
is
outraged.
I
I
it's
a
question
and
should
be
in
all
of
our
minds.
Third,
this
property
was
zoned
primarily
m1
for
many
many
many
years
and
always
had
the
potential,
certainly
long
before
the
two
appellants
bought
their
respective
properties.
It
could
have
gone
into
some
noxious
use
long
ago.
F
It
was
always-
and
I
know
this
property
very
very,
very
well,
and
it
generally
wasn't
much
until
the
county
started
putting
buses
there,
but
there
was
always
that
potential
and
to
me
that's
a
due
diligence
issue
on
the
appellants.
Like
we've
seen
many
times,
appellants
came
as
an
example
who
bought
across
from
the
hospital.
The
hospital
was
there.
First,
the
ambulances
were
there
first,
so
that
tempers,
my
my
sympathy
and
lastly,
I'm
I
I
can't
co,
I
I
I
guess
the
county
has
made
it
okay
to
park
buses.
F
I
couldn't
find
anything
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
makes
it
okay,
but
I
guess
it
is
by
this.
The
this
quote:
temporary
action
on
the
county,
which
may
or
may
not
become
permanent.
I'm
surprised
the
county
hasn't
put
up
a
sound
barrier.
I
mean
we
certainly
see
that
next
to
all
kinds
of
traffic
related
noise
producing
elements
just
between
us.
That
surprises
me
that
that
wouldn't
be
a
solution.
That's
what
I
have
thank
you.
A
That
is
just
to
to
speak
to
the
sound
barrier.
That
is
one
thing
I,
when
I
read
in
the
county
board
minutes
that
they
did
discuss.
In
fact,
they
asked
they
were
checking
in
to
see
whether
the
zoning
ordinance
would
allow
a
seven
foot
or
a
six
foot
or
seven
foot
high
barrier
for
that.
So
I
don't
know
where
that
is,
but
I
know
that
that's
something
that
they're
looking
at,
but
okay
other
comments.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mary.
Well,
the
questions
I
was
going
to
ask
were
actually
answered
when
the
question
and
answer
period
was
done,
and
mainly
it
was.
You
know,
for
the
location,
adjustments,
we've
seen
other
cases
where
this
my
original
concern
was
that
these
two
lots
are
like
sometimes
they're,
considered
flag
labs.
That's
you
know.
D
In
some
cases
there
are
adjustments
based
on
what's
behind,
if
there's
a
stream
or
there's
you
know
something
that
is
really
detriment
to
the
property,
but
you
know
this
is
a
special
case
that
I
was
trying
to
see
whether
the
adjustment
was
proper,
and
you
know
we've
done
this
before
as
a
board,
as
the
board
has
done.
We
made
this
type
of
adjustments
and
I
think
the
adjustments
that
the
county
made
are,
in
my
opinion,
they're,
fair
and
they're.
You
know
in
line
to
what
we've
seen
before
as
it
was
mentioned.
D
You
know
some
of
the
adjacent
properties
to
some
of
these
cases
that
we
had
are
industrial
use,
retail,
you
know
dealerships
or
repair
shops,
but
you
know,
and
I
drove
by
the
whole
block.
I
I
went
to
the
lot
behind
yeah.
The
properties
are
really
close
to
the
lot,
but
you
know,
like
ken
said,
these
are
not
properties
that
are
worth
zero.
So,
based
on
this
adjustments
to
me,
I
think
the
proposed
assessment
is
in
line,
I'm
okay
with
that.
G
I
honestly,
I
do
think
the
appellants
made
some
good
arguments
and
I
clearly
agree
not
to
a
dollar
there's
value
to
this
property.
G
G
That's
compelling,
given
the
properties
throughout
arlington
and
the
opportunities
to
pay
this
kind
of
price
for
a
house,
you
can
get
a
you
can
get
a
house
and
if
you've
got
five
ten
choices.
Is
this
the
one
you're
going
to
say?
Oh
okay,
and
I
I
don't
think
so.
I
I'm
not
sure
how
to
come
to
it
without
pulling
a
number
out
of
the
air
as
far
as
a
percentage.
But
I
I
don't
feel
five
percent
near
enough
this,
and
it
will
go
back
up
if
that
use
changes
in
the
future.
A
Yeah
I
I
like
I
said
this
is
a
lot
of
information.
I've
gone
back
and
forth
on
this,
and-
and
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
you,
mr
yates-
I
I
think
the
five
percent-
it's
we're,
comparing
it
against.
You
know
properties
that
were
next
to
a
hospital.
Yes,
the
hospital
was
there,
they
knew
it
when
they
purchased
it.
Even
though,
when
these
houses
were
built,
some
of
these
were
built
and
bought.
You
know
the
site
plan
was
in
place.
The
property
has
been
there,
but
now
the
use
of
it.
A
A
It
would
get
renewed
every
year
and
it
would
also
kind
of
be
a
check
and
balance
for
the
fact
that,
from
what
I
understand,
this
is
a
temporary
measure,
but
as
the
appellant
brought
up,
the
county
could
come
back
and
say:
okay,
well
we're
going
to
renew
it
permanently.
I
mean
that's
just
a
vote
from
the
county
board
to
do
that.
So
I
don't
know
I
I
could
go.
Mr
hoffman
go
ahead.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
completely
agree
with
everything
ken
said
earlier
and
then
what
you're
saying
right
now
mark
and
mary
kind
of
going
through.
You
know
five
percent.
In
my
mind,
I
think
maybe
another
five
percent
would
be
it
would
be
fair,
but
and
the
rationale
for
that
is
one
of
the
issues
this
guy's
dealing
with
is
not
necessarily
he's
next
to
an
adverse
use,
but
that
he's
next
to
an
adverse
use
in
which
the
the
county
is
the
culprit
right.
E
So
it's
different
than
you
know
if
you're
next
to
a
restaurant
and
they're
violating
their
their
hourly
hour
restrictions
or
their
dumpsters
or
a
mess,
and-
and
you
know
you
gotta-
you
call
up
the
county
and
the
county
fixes
it
right.
They
they
won't
renew
the
special
use.
Permit
that
that
restaurant
has
he's
dealing
with
all
these
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
these
pictures
decibel
readings.
You
got
dumpsters
everywhere
trash
everywhere.
Who,
who
are
you
gonna
call
right?
E
So
I
think
that's
probably
gonna
be
a
huge
point
in
this
separate
lawsuit
is:
is
the
county
even
adhering
to
their
own
zoning
action
on
this
property?
You
know
there's
all
kinds
of
restrictions
that
were
part
of
this
special
use
permit
are
they
are
they
complying
with
them,
but,
right
now
it
seems
like
they're
not
and
with
that
uncertainty
hanging
over
the
property,
I
would
expect
it
to
probably
take
a
bigger
hit
if
it
was
put
on
the
market.
E
So
I
think
I
think
I
like
andrew
king's
assessment,
I
think
as
far
as
comps
and
everything
are
good
I'd
support
a
little
bit
more
on
the
negative
adjustment
than
the
than
the
original
five
percent.
G
Is
25
the
wrong
number
because
it's
I
mean
if
you
owned
this
house
yeah,
would
you
what
would
you
think
in
the
county?
I
they've
not
put
up
fencing
additional
fencing
or
something
along
the
highway
barriers
or
type
thing
or.
E
Yeah
mark
the
25,
the
only
issue
I
have
with
the
the
neighbors
sale
processes.
It
was
like
2018
2019,
so
that
was
kind
of
a
tricky
period
to
go
back
and
and
use
it
as
a.
E
Yeah-
and
you
know,
I
suspect
that,
but
it
had
no
offers
at
that
yeah
yeah
yeah,
it's
kind
of
a
stranger
property.
If
you
look
at
it,
you
know
you
got
the
garage
in
the
front,
a
bunch
of
kind
of
overgrowth
around
it.
So
I
don't
know
at
the
time
what
was
the
curb
appeal
was
it
marketed,
as
is
as
a
fixer-upper?
Was
it
a
you
know?
E
I
don't
have
all
those
details,
so
I
have
a
hard
time
just
using
that
as
like
a
com,
but
I
mean
that's,
why
I'm
kind
of
leaning
towards
just
putting
an
additional
five
percent
on
it
and
we'll
probably
see
this
case
in
a
year,
and
hopefully
the
county
can
do
a
better
job
of
complying
with
the
regulations
that
they
put
on
themselves
here.
Uh-Huh.
F
I
would
support
that
fully,
primarily,
but
not
because
we
pull
a
rabbit
out
of
a
hat
or
a
number
out
of
a
ledger,
but
rather
that's
the
maximum
noise
interference
discount
that
the
county
permits
and
because
the
buses
are,
are
you
know
during
the
day
it's
pretty
quiet
over
there?
They
do
some
repairs,
which
is
within
code,
in
what
used
to
be
the
bowling
alley.
But
I
don't
think
that
disturbs
anybody.
The
appellant
certainly
haven't
brought
it
up.
F
G
Yeah,
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
I'm
not
advocating
this
to
the
appellant
and
it's
an
additional
cost,
but
we
did
a
house
that
we
put
in
sound
proofing
windows.
They
weighed
a
ton
to
get
installed,
but
it
made
a
phenomenal
difference.
You
did
not
hear
anything
in
the
house,
you
opened
the
door
and
it
was
all
right
there.
G
A
Okay,
I'm
just
just
to
throw
up
for
a
conversation
on
that
if,
if
you're
looking
an
additional
five
percent,
I
don't
know
who-
which
member
made
the
comment
that
other
people
didn't
join
in
on
this.
But
we
do
know
that
there's
other
properties
impacted.
A
I
I
didn't
think
to
ask
the
county
if
the
other
properties
got
the
five
percent
for
the
same
exterior
influence,
I
have
to
assume
that
that
they
did
so.
I
don't
know
whether
we're
talking
about
if
we
do
this
or
we
from
the
standpoint
of
equalization,
are
we
looking
at
doing
this
for
the
other
properties
adjacent
to
it?.
D
I'm
not
sure
about
that
question
mary,
but
I
wanted
to
comment
also
on
the
prices
of
the
properties.
You
know
this
is
not
the
only
one
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
times.
Properties
are
listed
just
at
a
very
high
price.
The
seller
is
the
one
that
decides
what
price
is
going
to
be
listed
at
and
you
know
they
stayed
on.
They
stay
on
the
market
for
a
while
and
even
if
they
reduce
it
to
a
market
value
that
it
would.
D
You
should
sell
a
lot
of
times
it's
not
going
to
sell
because
it
becomes
an
old
listing
and
people
just
you
know
either
wonder
why
didn't
sell
right.
The
seller
also,
I
mean
the
appellant
also
mentioned
another
property
at
1660
george
mason
drive,
which,
in
my
opinion
there
are
other
circumstances
why
it
wouldn't
sell
this
property.
D
For
example,
the
listing
company
is
offering
a
very
low
commission
to
a
selling
company,
so
that
discourages
agents
from
showing
it,
and
so
you
know
just
the
market
price
that
they
listed
at
does
not
really
reflect
why
a
property
is
not
selling
or
you
know
it's
to
me.
It's
not
really
the
main
issue
why
this
property
should
be
reduced,
but
I'll
be
okay
with
another
five
percent
reduction.
If
the
board
is
willing
to
do
something.
D
E
F
G
It's
not
the
land's
going
to
be
there
and
the
land's
going
to
keep
moving
at
the
same
value
going
forward
with
or
without
this
facility
behind
them.
It's
the
livability
of
that
house
that
I
think
becomes
the
factor
and
that's
what
someone's
buying
they're
not
buying
the
land
they're
buying
it
to
live
in
it.
If
someone,
if
they
put
this
on
the
market,
to
buy,
sell,
that's
the
price
someone's
going
to
look
at
the
land
will
be
the
land.
I
agree.
A
G
E
D
On
1504
I
mean
3801
14th
street.
I
got
682
480
on
the
land
because
the
original
assessment
was
853
100
and
if
we
take
20
off
would
be
you
know,
the
10
plus
another
temperature.
A
D
The
language
the
land
would
be
682
480
and
the
building
would
be
the
same.
727
900,
which
make
a
total
of
1
million
for
10
400
rounded,
and
I
did
not
work
out
the
numbers
on
the
other
one
yet.
But
I
will.
A
E
I
can
do
it
I'll
make
the
motion
to
reduce
to
1
million
410
400
and
and
take
the
deduction
out
of
the
land
value.
D
A
Aye
opposed
okay,
that's
unanimous!
The
property
is
reduced
to
one
million
four
ten
four
hundred.
E
E
Sure
yeah
motion
to
reduce
total
assessment
to
one
million
four
sixty
seven
five
hundred
even
by
the
reduction
in
the
land.
A
E
A
Property
at
3811
14th
street
is
reduced
to
one
million
four
sixty
seven
five
hundred.
A
That
completes
the
agenda
for
today.
Does
anybody
have
any
business?
A
No
okay!
There
are
no
cases
for
tomorrow,
the
29th,
no
cases
for
july
5th
and
no
cases
for
july
6th.
So
we
will
readjourn
on
tuesday
the
12th
so
that
pretty
well
completes
everything
there.
So
we
will
stand
adjourned,
then
at
10,
34
and
re-adjourn
tuesday
july
12th
at
9
a.m.
So
we're
back
to
9.