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A
Energy
and
environment
condition
just
for
people
to
know
that
we
are
recording
this
session
and
we
will
be
posting.
The
reporting
on
our
website
and.
A
E
Thought
it
was
the
shortest
server,
but
now
Rob
gets
the
time.
F
A
A
Okay
and
Ruth
hi.
A
B
Rachel,
it's
pretty
hard
to
hear
you.
Can
you
speak
up
I'll
turn
the
volume
up
too.
H
Okay,
Dimitri
McBride
Arlington
County
bureau,
chief
for
Arlington
County's
office
of
sustainability
and
Environmental
Management.
A
Everybody:
okay,
any
public
comment.
A
So
first
is
to
approve
the
minutes
for
February.
B
A
H
Okay,
I
just
want
to
preface
this
by
saying
this
is
kind
of
a
75
000
foot
view
we're
doing
something
or
we're
not
doing
we're
going
to
propose
something
very
bold
and
very
different
in
this
update
and
as
you
can
imagine,
that
takes
an
enormous
amount
of
socialization
internally,
it's
probably
going
to
be
deeper
than
what
we've
ever
had,
but
without
teasing
that
out
too
much.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
H
A
number
of
you
are
knew
so
very
quickly.
This
is
a
program
that
has
been
around
for
just
over
20
years.
It
was
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Virginia.
A
lot
of
the
Green
Building
programs
that
you
see,
particularly
in
the
Nova
region,
are
modeled
after
Arlington's
early
program,
it
started
out
as
a
way
to
incentivize
High
performing
buildings
and
get
Beyond
state
code
which,
as
you
know,
is
very
constraining,
along
with
a
very
strict
application
of
Dylan
Rule
and
the
Commonwealth
as
a
volunteer
program.
H
There
is
a
major
update
in
2014
that
jumped
to
requiring
lead
silver
certification,
ongoing
energy
use,
reporting
for
a
decade,
energy,
star,
post,
occupancy
certification
for
offices
and
then
the
most
recent
update
in
2020
up
to
that
to
lead
gold,
certification
and
added
on
a
number
of
additional,
not
substitute,
but
additional
criteria
that
fall
under
biophilia
EV
charging,
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
programs
and
more
at
that
time
and
the
2020
update
the
board
as
staff
to
come
back
to
them.
With
an
update
proposal
and
three
years,
can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
Rebecca.
A
A
H
Where
we
are
and
that's
where
we
are
so
we
have
been-
we
started-
probably
I
would
say
around
seven
months
ago,
looking
at
the
program's
performance
today,
the
latest
iteration
and
really
for
the
first
time.
H
Up
until
this
point,
the
program
was
just
simply
recorded
and
tracked
on
the
number
of
square
feet
that
it
applied
to,
but
we
really
started
breaking
that
down
and
saying,
because
in
the
last
iteration
there
were
four
different
tiers
of
bonus
density,
with,
of
course,
increasing
criteria
and
application
of
Energy
Efficiency
and
other
measures
in
order
to
get
the
higher
density
out
of
this
review
came
an
interesting
pattern
and
at
the
time,
to
put
it
into
context
as
well,
the
board
allowed
for
developers
to
grandfather
in
current
plans
under
the
old.
H
You
know
pre-2020
version
of
the
program.
So
what
we
found
is
that
in
2022
alone,
there
were
5
million
square
feet.
This
is
extraordinary
quite
honestly
and
the
performance
in
the
history
of
the
program.
However,
when
you
break
down
that
five
million
square
feet
and
as
to
what
category
they
fell
into
over
50
percent,
roughly
54
percent
of
the
buildings
and
projects
were
grandfathered
in
under
the
prior
pre-2020
iteration.
Are
there
roughly
46
percent
that
remained?
There
were
only
tier
one
and
tier
two,
the
lowest
tiers?
H
There
were
absolutely
no
applications
whatsoever
under
tier
3
and
tier
four,
and
in
addition,
we
had
interviews
with
developers
and
asked
them
about
their.
You
know
experience
with
the
program.
What
worked
for
them?
What
didn't
work
for
them?
As
you
can
imagine,
we
hear
a
lot
of
developers
that
come
back
and
say
it's
very
frustrating
to
have,
for
example,
the
EV
charging
and
then
go
and
submit
load
letters
to
dominion
and
Dominion
rejects
it
because
they
say
they
don't
have
the
capacity
for
that
in
the
grid.
H
So
then
the
developers
say
what
we're
being
forced
to
do
is
to
pay
for
electric
utility
infrastructure
in
order
just
to
qualify
for
the
bonus
density,
and
it's
very
important,
particularly
for
people
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
program,
to
understand
that
this
is
not
the
only
option
in
the
county.
For
developers
to
earn
bonus
density,
they
can
write
out
a
check
to
affordable
housing
and
get
the
same
density
bonus.
H
So
we
sat
down
and
basically
said:
what
can
we
do
and
what's
missing
and
let's
take
this
opportunity,
if
we're
going
to
make
a
definite
change,
then
let's
make
it
a
bold
change:
let's
make
it
an
Innovative
change,
let's
make
it
a
change
that
actually
puts
us
in
a
direction
where
maybe
you
won't
even
have
to
have
the
update
every
five
years,
but
what
you're
going
to
have
is
a
kind
of
elastic
and
more
future
facing
program
that
isn't
really
focused
on
just
simple
criteria
or
single
criteria.
H
So
this
is
the
analysis
that
we've
done
we're
certainly
happy
to
share
the
the
specific
numbers
with
both
the
energy
committee
and
C2
E2
I.
H
H
So
again,
all
of
this
together
really
stimulated
this.
You
know
really
dramatic
reinvention
of
the
program
next
slide.
Please.
D
Hi
Dimitri,
it's
Eric!
If
you
could
just
Rebecca,
hey
Eric
yeah,
just
a
quick
question
of
if
these
incentive
gpip
bonus
density
is
not
a
draw,
they
don't
need
it
for
profitability.
H
I
think
there
was,
you
know.
Certainly
there
were
bragging
rights,
I
mean
it
was
good
to
be
under
the
Green
Building
bonus
up
until
some
point
where
they
feel
as
though
it
might
be
getting
too
expensive
or
again
it's
not
performing
as
imagined.
There
was
also
a
draw
because
there
was
an
anticipation
that
all
of
these
measures
would
perform
exactly
as
advertised
okay,.
J
D
Yeah
and
just
quick
follow-on
is
there:
do
you
have
any
anecdotal
evidence
or
any
data
about
resale?
So
if
you
know
developers
selling
off
a
project
with
this
designation,
is
there
any
value
in
that
in
the
market.
H
I
Gotta,
Be
You
know
you
touch
on
a
really
really
really
good
point
Eric
and
it's
why
we're
we're
also
just
subliminally
you
know
this:
underlying
ambition
for
the
program
to
be
more
elastic
and
more
evolved
is
because,
as
you
know,
I
think
if
I
recall
it
correctly,
the
average
building
turnover
between
being
built
and
then
being
flipped.
H
You
so
much
and
there-
and
you
know,
we've
also
adopted
measures
or
offered
measures
and
said
these
are
eligible
to
get
you
more
bonus
density
that
again
developers
have
not
elected
to
do
and
those
were
measures.
You
know
biophilic
measures,
for
example,
that
we
really
really
really
would
like
to
see
because
again
without
getting
too
wonky,
you
know
flooding
and
extreme
heat.
Are
the
regions
two
main
climate
vulnerability,
so
another
focus
of
our
thinking
was
okay.
We
really
have
to
start
thinking
about
Urban
heat
island
effects
and
extreme
heat.
B
Can
I
just
jump
in
now?
This
is
Carrie
hi
Carrie,
just
following
along
his
line
of
thinking
it.
You
know
if
we
were
like
many
European
cities
where
they
have
to
advertise
the
Energy
Efficiency
yeah
of
the
buildings,
it
would
be
a
market
value
to
buildings
that,
to
that
have
reduced
energy
costs
and
are
closer
to
Advanced
zero.
J
B
J
C
J
B
Think
Eric
is
touched
on
an
important
point
for
us
to
think
about
in
the
future
about
you
know
what
the
market
will
do
with
buildings
that
are
more
energy
efficient.
You
know
they
must
be
more
attractive
at
some.
H
H
They
are,
they
are
mandatory
for
buildings
they
are
published
and
what
happened
in
the
very
beginning
is
what
we
found
in
California
when
we
tried
to
get
Statewide
automatic
benchmarking
is
that
everybody
was
pushing
back
because
it
is
a
cost.
It
requires
that
you,
you
know,
have
staff
and
an
apparatus,
that's
capable
of
doing
that
and
then
reporting
it.
But
what
happened
in
Europe
is
that
there
was
this
pushback
in
resistance,
and
then
people
decided
to
use
it
and
right
now
what
you've
got
are
the
banking
industry
has
incorporated
it
into
their
business
model?
H
H
The
banks
evaluate
them
at
a
higher
level.
Real
estate
market
evaluates
them
at
a
higher
level.
Insurance
really
gives
them
a
kind
of
discount
because
they
operate
more
efficiently
and
more
effectively
so
that
that
took
around
it
started.
Oddly
enough,
if
I
remember
correctly
in
Scotland
and
in
10
years,
it
has
become
embedded
in
the
business
models
of
major
industries
associated
with
buildings.
J
B
H
Continue
so
and
again,
this
is
super
super
high
level,
because
we
haven't
bounced
this
off
leadership,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm,
anticipating
that
I'll
probably
be
called
out
to
the
wood
shed
at
some
point
on
this.
But
we
wanted
to
really
just
open
our
minds
and
say:
okay,
what
is
the
best
way?
Number
one
I
think
giving
developers
more
choice.
So
we
were
talking
about
you
know,
keeping
a
lead-based
pathway,
but
also
adding
on
a
climate
adaptation
pathway
or
Fierce.
H
H
Obviously,
and
Paul
Gensler
I
mean
Paul
Roman
who
came
to
us
from
Gensler
is
familiar
with
it,
but
it's
kind
of
it's
not
a
kind
of
universally
recognized
and
deployed
design
standard
for
buildings,
but
it
is
actually
effective
one,
and
this
is
the
one
that
if
you
do
it's
a
really
oh
bless
you,
whoever
that
was,
if
you
go
to
Architects
and
designers,
and
building
owners
around
the
country
that
are
really
doing
exceptional
buildings,
and
there
was
one
I
believe
that
was
just
completed
or
is
about
to
be
completed
in
New
York
City.
H
This
is
really
the
Performance
Based,
it's
future
facing
climate-facing
and
Performance
Based.
As
you
can
imagine,
it
requires
more
it's
more
expensive,
so
we
also
wanted
to
add
an
existing
buildings
pathway
because,
as
you
know,
in
the
20
years
of
the
existence
of
the
program,
it
has
only
been
for
new
buildings
not
attached
at
all
to
existing
buildings
and,
as
a
result
inadvertently.
Certainly
we
were
kind
of
creating
winners
and
losers
on
our
own
building
stock.
H
So
I
have
to
tell
you
we're
looking
at
and
I
can
only
go
this
far
we're
going
to
suggest
limited
terms,
certain
Financial
incentives
in
order
to
bring
developers,
but
there
was
something
else
that
came
up
in
our
analysis
of
the
program
and
our
Deep
dive
with
the
whole
team.
That
was
really
telling
is
that
we
do
not
even
get
the
site
plans
at
Inception
or
close
to
Inception.
It's
not
that
they're
a
done
deal
and
there's
no
latitude
by
the
time
we
get
them.
H
But
if
you're
talking
about
these
performance-based
buildings
the
earlier
you
can
at
least
float
those
design
options.
The
better
because,
as
you
know,
developers-
and
it
makes
sense,
they
don't
want
to
spend
the
time
and
the
money
to
go
back
and
start
all
over
and
Design.
H
Outreach,
education
and
and
just
Workshop
program
for
developers,
building
owner
and
operators,
designers,
Architects
and
contractors,
because
that
way
we
can
at
least
try
to
help
do
what
Kerry
was
just
talking
about
and
not
just
share
the
design
options
not
just
show
how
they
operate,
not
just
give
them
the
benchmarks
and
the
case
studies,
but
also
to
show
them
that
these
buildings
May
operate
more
efficiently.
So
perhaps
they're
going
to
operate
at
a
cheaper.
H
A
Demetra
with
this
perhaps
possibly
include
kind
of
offering
developers
a
kind
of
a
very
limited
consultation
with
you
know
somebody
that's
really
experienced
in
the
kind
of
especially
Zero
Energy.
You
know
the
types
of
development
that
we're
looking
for
process
so
that
they
can,
you
know,
kind
of
help,
purge
them
in
the
same
direction.
A
H
Yeah,
the
six-month
training-
you
know
kind
of
program
that
we're
thinking
of
when
I
say
that
you
know
we're
really
just
kind
of
putting
on
our
creativity
caps.
You
know
staff
has
come
up
with
hey
this
design,
firm
that
designs,
the
you
know
and
built
the
New
York
building.
Why
don't?
We
have
a
workshop,
a
remote
workshop
with
them
and
have
them
demonstrate
the
design
of
the
building?
Why
what
the
outcomes
are
going
to
be?
H
You
know
really
start
bringing
in
those
types
of
things
and
then
it's
an
interesting
thought
of
what
you
might
be
able
to
offer
as
a
service,
a
kind
of
limited
service,
but
a
service
I'm
going
to
be
curious
to
see
what
the
reaction
you
know
if
this
comes.
H
If
it
goes
forward
as
we're
planning,
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
reaction
would
be
to
that
kind
of
training
program
where
you
give
them
exposure
to
a
a
kind
of
this,
isn't
an
outrageous
it's
being
used
in
Europe,
it's
being
used
in
other
places
in
the
United
States
and
in
fact,
for
the
existing
buildings
program
or
I'm
happy
to
say
that
Montgomery
County?
What
we
were
thinking
of,
we
discovered
Montgomery,
County
kind
of
did
a
soft
launch
of
around
nine
months
ago.
H
They
they
haven't
fully
gone
through
they're
they're
kind
of
working
on
their
first
project
under
that
model,
but
all
that
to
say
that
yeah
I
think
that
we
can
be
creative.
It
all
costs
money,
obviously,
but
I
think
it
might
be
an
investment
just
to
socialize
and
educate
and
persuade
you
know:
local
Builders
and
designers
yeah.
J
A
G
If
I
ask
you
something
too,
that
you
mentioned
earlier
in
Europe
the
power
of
the
bankers
developers
insurance
companies-
is
there
a
place
in
the
strategy
here
to
reach
out
to
that?
Instead
of
actors
at
least
understand
the
extent
to
which
they
can
see
something?
This
is
valuable,
but
they're,
the
ones
that
are
I,
think
Office
of
Financial
incentives
that
don't
necessarily.
H
Yeah
they
would
I
mean
this
is
also
you
know,
a
kind
of
banking
and
real
estate
Partnership.
If
you
think
about
it
too,
because
we're
not
the
United
States
is
not
anywhere
close
to
where
they've
gotten
in
Europe,
but
just
to
maybe
nudge,
open
those
conversations
and
say
well,
how
would
you
value
a
building
that
way
if
you're
going
to
sell
a
building?
Aren't
you
going
to
sell
it
based
on
it's
environmental?
H
The
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
one
that
is
going
to
withstand
extreme
heed
and
has
been
you
know,
designed
and
built
for
adaptation
to
climate
impacts
over
the
next
35?
You
know
to
40
years,
I
mean
there.
There
have
to
be
and
I
think
that
it's
you
know
it's
just
all
how
you
sell
something
and
how
people
value,
what
you're
selling
I.
H
Joan
they've
done
a
number
of
very
full
some
and
very
compelling
studies
in
Europe.
You
know
because
there
you
have
this
very
rich
market
and
I
think
that's
helpful.
Maybe
you
know
it.
Maybe
certain
developers
are
going
to
say
yeah
if
somebody's
going
to
be
on
The
Cutting
Edge
I'd,
like
our
you
know,
company,
to
be
on
The
Cutting
Edge.
A
So
the
amen,
the
studies
are
there
as
we
publicize
and
using
a
part
of
the
argument.
How
about
because
DC
I
think
is
requiring
full
electrification
for
new
buildings
and
I
think
the
Montgomery
County
is
moving
in
that
direction.
Is
you
know
to
what
extent
that
works
to
our
benefit,
because
it's
basically
the
same
developers
and
if
they're
going
to
have
to
do
it
in
DC
and
Montgomery
County?
It
makes
it
easier
for
them
to
do.
Do
it
here
as
well.
H
You
know
Joan
at
this,
given
point
I,
don't
think
we
know
certainly
and
on
the
next
slide,
there's
going
to
be
this
kind
of
just
rough
framework
of
the
Outreach
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
pre-outreach
with
developers
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what's
in
their
mind,
I,
don't
know
whether
they'll
think
well,
I've
got
to
do
it
there,
but
if
I've
got
choice,
I
would
choose
not
to
do
it
or
maybe
they'll
say
well,
I've
got
to
do
it
there,
so
I'm
just
going
to
make
it
part
of
my
business
plan
so
yeah.
H
That
kind
of
knowing
that
tells
you
whether
we
make
that
a
baseline
requirement,
whether
it
becomes
a
kicker
on
an
additional
requirement.
That's
a
policy
question
and
I:
don't
make
policy
I
just
give
them
the
information
they
need
to
make
the
decisions,
but
it
has
to
be
a
really
kind
of
Frank
conversation
that
we
have
with
them.
J
J
A
H
John
there
are
a
couple
of
questions
that
I'm
going
to
throw
out
there
and
without
taking
too
much
time
on
this
because
I
know
you've
got
a
you
know
full
agenda
tonight.
There
are
a
couple
of
questions
and
again
I'm
just
throwing
these
out
there,
not
as
an
advocate
I,
just
think
they're
questions.
We
have
to
address
electrification
when
we're
talking
about
equity
and
turn
out
to
be
more
expensive
for
low
income
and
and
in
low
income.
H
You
know
a
much
higher
percentage
of
renters,
so
we
run
into
two
issues
with
with
low
income
we
run
into
what
Kerry
was
talking
about
the
split
incentive
where
you
have
to
give
the
owner
of
the
building
a
special
incentive
to
change
the
centralized
systems.
Otherwise,
they're
like
well
I,
don't
pay
the
bill,
I,
don't
care,
you
know
so
because
gas
is
cheaper,
so
I'm
not
saying
those
are
insurmountable
things
I'm
just
saying
that
they're
things
that
we
have
to
think
about
and
solutions
that
we
have
to
build.
H
Pump,
no,
it
actually
believe
it
or
not.
Yeah
it's!
It's
really
just
I
mean
that's
around
the
country.
This
isn't
just
you
know
in
Northern,
Virginia
or
just
in
the
Commonwealth.
This
is
the
conundrum
that,
when
energy
and
and
climate
implementers
are
are
trying
to
get
to
that
next
level
with
electrification,
it's
the
one
thing
that
we're
all
looking
at
is,
you
know,
are:
how
are
we?
Is
it
a
subsidy?
H
Do
we
start
out
with
a
subsidy
and-
and
we
have
to
start
looking
at
market
trends
because,
like
you
said
at
some
point,
the
market
is
going
to
it's
going
to
level
off,
so
the
price
point
will
not
be
so
different
after
a
period
of
time.
But
what
do
we
do
in
the
interim?
The
other
thing
and
I
just
don't
know
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
long-term
thing
or
a
really
short-term.
You
know
single
Governor
term
thing
and
we
didn't
I
didn't
have
enough
time
to
really
this
weekend.
H
Summarize
everything
but
I'll
have
that
by
the
next
energy
committee
meetings
that
we'll
have
a
summary
that
we'll
share
with
c2e2
as
well
is
the
governor's
Grand
energy
plan
for
the
Commonwealth
and
the
legislation
that
he
signed
in
order
to
affect
that,
and
as
some
of
you
probably
know
he
was
you
know
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
he
was
very,
very
hot
and
he
was
putting
secretly
a
lot
of
investment
into
small
modular
nuclear
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
kind
of
lost
benefit
ratio
started
coming
out
and
that
didn't
appear
to
be
a
real
practical
investment,
because
it's
so
costly
and-
and
you
can't
you've
got
a
really
super
upscale
it
before
it
can
carry
the
demand.
H
So
now
he's
really
gone
full
bore
on
gas
and
I.
You
know,
I
have
to
say:
Virginia
is
a
little
interesting
where
you
only
have
single
term
Governors
I.
Think
if
you
don't
like
the
governor's
policies.
Maybe
that
makes
you
happy,
but
it
also
makes
a
lot
of
very
you
know,
kind
of
sudden
bouncing
around,
as
we've
seen
from
you
know,
Reggie
to
where
we
are
today,
but
I
think
that
they're
going
to
start
acting
in
a
way
that's
going
to
make
gas
even
more
affordable.
So
we
have
to.
H
A
Yeah
well,
they
should
be
actually
more
eligible
for
a
lot
more
in
the
way
of
government
subsidies
and
credits,
rebates
and
credits
of
that.
Yes,
so
you
know
and
again
you
know,
if
you're
doing
a
comprehensive
retrofit
development
that
looks
at
the
total
cost
of
ownership,
total
cost
of
energy
throughout
the
life
cycle
you
can
get.
You
know
the
savings
should
be
pretty
good
if
you
get
in
so
much
more
energy
efficiency.
K
J
K
H
That's
that's
pretty
well
around
the
country
and
and
just
for
example.
The
other
thing
that
you
have
to
take
into
account
is
that
with
the
equipment,
if
you've
got,
if
you've
got
huge
gas
systems,
then
the
power
infrastructure
that
you
have
for
electricity
in
your
building
is
typically
going
to
have
to
be
upgraded
in
order
to
Electrify
all
that
gas
equipment.
So
that's
also
a
cost
too
you're
gonna
have
to
change
the
electric
panel
and
everything
else
so
yeah
and
in
fact,.
K
But
but
if
you're
not
doing
that,
if
you're
just
doing
if
you're
just
talking
about
a
new
building
yeah,
then
then,
then
you
wouldn't
be
upgrading
stuff
and
imagine
our
efficiencies
of
putting
in
a
a
heat
pump
for
heating
and
cooling,
as
opposed
to
putting
in
a
cooling
system
and
a
heating
system.
That's
gas.
The.
H
Question
three
to
four
years
ago
for
Pure
electrification
was
always
when
you
got
into
particularly
for
these
new
high-rises
that
were
going
up
in
Arlington
and
and
large
commercial
buildings
is
the
capacity
of
the
technology
at
that
time,
the
electrified
technology
to
be
able
to
handle
the
entire
building,
and
at
that
particular
time
it
was
generally
very,
very
reliable
for
around
10
stories,
and
after
that
there
was
always
the
strong
possibility
of
having
to
have
dual
systems
having
two
systems
to
handle
a
higher
building.
K
Right
and
so
I
mean
my
understanding
is
that's
no
longer
an
issue.
Didn't
we
just
have
someone
in
here
I
forget
what
they
were
talking
about,
but
they
were
specifically
saying
that
that's
not
an
issue
because
someone
was
actually
talking
about.
They
were
building
a
large,
a
tall
building
that
that
they
no
longer,
but
they
did
not
see
that
as
being
an
issue,
am
I
the
only
one
who
remembers
this
like
which
building
that
is
we're
talking
about
were
they
was
it?
Was
it
one
of
those
team
building?
A
It
might
have
been
one
of
the
crystal
the
last
Crystal
City
projects.
Yes
and.
K
They
were
saying
that
that's
not
that
that
elevation
issue
is
no
longer
than
we,
since
they
knew
it
was
not
an
issue
and
because
I
remember
John,
distinctly
noting
that
what
we've
been
told
in
the
past
that
that's
an
issue,
but
if
you
all
can
do
it,
why
is
anyone
else
doing
it
and
the
response
was
I?
Don't
know.
This
is
what
we
we
know.
This
works
yeah.
H
I
mean
we're
edging
closer
to
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
I'm
up
to
date
on
exactly
what
you
know,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
look
and
Benchmark
the
entire
region
to
see
what
and
and
hopefully
have
a
couple
of
buildings
that
at
least
have
been
in
operation
for
a
year.
Ideally,
so
we
have
full.
You
know
a
full
year
of
seasonality.
H
H
Yep,
so
the
next
slide
Rebecca.
H
So
because
again,
this
is
a
big
change
and
because
we're
talking
about
existing
buildings
and
because
we're
talking
about
this
training,
you
know
module
that
we
think
is
really
really
critical
so
that
in
that
early
part
where
we're
not
in
the
room-
and
it's
not
reasonable
to
expect
that
we
will
be
in
the
room
that
there
could
be
voluntary
uptake
in
these
design
standards.
H
H
We
are
set
tentatively
for
an
early
May
presentation
to
Greg,
Emanuel
and
Mike
Moon
after
that
I'm
presuming
that
we
don't
give
them
a
heart
attack,
we'll
go
on
to
the
county
manager's
office
and
give
them
a
a
presentation,
and
then,
obviously,
after
that,
it's
really
going
to
roll
out
to
a
lot
of
key
external
stakeholders,
the
the
commissions
and
the
Committees
and
we're
hoping
that
we'll
get
kind
of
more
interest.
This
has
always
been
a
subject
that
has
had
very
kind
of
Boutique
interest
in
the
public
and
and
boutique.
H
You
know
return
on
the
comments,
but
we're
hoping
that
this
kind
of
approach
presuming
it
it
survives
all
these
other
levels
in
some
form
or
another,
is
more
attractive
to
the
public
and
in
returning
public
comment
on
it,
and
the
only
reason
that
we're
trying
for
public
comment
I
have
to
say
is:
it
goes
back
to
that
valuation
that
you
were
talking
about.
Is
how
does
your
jurisdiction?
You
know,
how
does
your
culture
value
these
buildings.
H
A
H
Expecting
you
again
that
that's
a
proposal
that
staff
is
making
it's
a
policy
decision,
my
personal
feeling
is
that
that
six
months
of
really
really
aggressive,
really
Dynamic
really
compelling
really
engaging
Outreach,
particularly
to
the
people
who
design
and
build
buildings
here
or
buy
buildings
here
is,
is
going
to
be
important.
I
think.
A
H
A
H
H
D
I
just
had
a
Demetra
hi,
it's
Eric
again
I
I,
like
the
idea
of
the
the
training
and
the
workshopping
up
up
front
I.
You
know
I
hope
that
that's
successful
I,
wonder
if
you
and
the
staff
and
your
team
have
given
any
thought
to
like
the
marketing
and
branding
of
the
actual
program
for
the
key
stakeholders
and
the
developers
so
that
on
the
back
end,
they
can
wave
something
around
that
they
think
has
real
value
in
the
marketplace.
Have
you
thought
about
that?
I.
H
G
I
wanted
to
get
a
sense.
This
is
Mark.
Do
you
have
a
sense
that
somebody
could
go
into
this
program
and,
if
you're,
a
really
cutting-edge
building
on
one
or
two
of
the
major
factors
we
worry
about?
Is
it
going
to
have
a
minimum
set
of
obligations
that
everybody
has
to
do,
or
is
it
something
where
you
can
push
the
envelope
and
I'm?
G
Thinking
of
this
in
terms
of
private
sector
risk
somebody
who's
willing
to
take
some
vigorous
in
one
aspect
of
building
a
building
that
proves
something
it
maybe
can
be
shown
as
a
model
for
others
might
be
willing
to
take
that
risk,
but
maybe
do
something
more
conventional
than
some
other
aspect
of
the
building
that
can
be
Case
by
case.
In
that
sense,.
H
Or
is
it?
Is
that
Mark
Greenwood?
Yes,
you
know
Mark,
we
were
tween
around
with
the
idea
of
you
know
in
order
to
stimulate
maybe
kind
of
earlier
uptake
in
interest.
We
were
toying
around
with
the
idea
that
when
the
program
went
live
again,
assuming
it
goes
live
on
on
roughly
this
kind
of
model.
If
we
would
give
an
extra
kicker,
maybe
say
for
the
first
for
the
next
18
months,
we're
going
to
offer
an
extra
bonus
density.
H
Kicker
of
you
know,
X
for
people
who
will
elect
the
climate
adaptation
model
or
someone
who
will
do
this
Baseline
and
these
added.
You
know
additional,
bundled
measures
you
know
or
something
of
that
nature
just
in
order
to
stimulate,
because
we're
also
really
focused
on
getting
early
uptake.
So
we
can
start
as
soon
as
possible,
measuring
and
tracking
the
performance
of
the
building
and
the
the
team
also
met.
So
you
know,
because
again
it
was
a.
It
was
a
pity.
H
It
came
out
of
a
very
quickly.
It
came
out
of
an
exercise
that
Drew
Stilton,
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory
expert,
was
going
to
do
on
the
entire
program
and
estimate
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
were
avoided
by
having
the
program
as
opposed
to
business
as
usual,
and
because
of
the
lack
of
consistency
and
completeness
of
the
tracking
of
the
program
and
because
it
changed
so
often
it
just
became
like
Voodoo
mathematics.
H
So
we
also
sat
down
I
had
a
conflict
last
week,
but
the
team
is
really
great
at
this,
that
they
don't
need
me,
certainly
micromanaging
it,
but
they
sat
down
and
they
started
talking
about
okay
as
part
of
this
program.
What
metrics
are
we
going
to
track?
What
metrics
are
important
to
show
value
and
performance
under
the
the
program?
H
B
H
J
H
G
I
was
part
of
the
design
for
environment
programs.
Did
at
the
time
and
yeah
I
mean
you
got
an
award
fairly
low
cost.
H
I
A
A
Just
wanted
to
check
Demetra:
when
are
you
going
to
have
something
kind
of
more
concrete
that
we
can
kind
of
get
get
our
sense
of
well-being
before
May
or
yeah?.
H
I
think
it'll
be
after
May,
because
we'll
go
to
Greg
and
Mike
and,
like
I
said
when
they
kind
of
you
know
recover
from
the
shock
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
county
manager,
because
we're
going
to
need
the
county
managers
early
advocacy
on
this,
you
know,
hopefully
they'll
think
that
it's
worth
being
advocates
for
the
program
in
order
to
really
do
something.
This
bold,
you
know
what
I
mean.
A
But
forward
to
keeping
track
of
that
for
people
to
know
we've
actually.
A
H
A
Yeah
because
I
mean
you
know,
this
sounds
trading
that
it's
all
the
better
of
the
details
of
you
know
what
you're
you're
kind
of
really
looking
at
to
get
from
from
these
developers
in
terms
of
getting
the
building
that
that
we
want
so
and
then
certainly
what
the
incentives
would
be.
And,
of
course,
the
existing
buildings
is,
is
pretty
important
because
the
majority
of
the
buildings,
the
county
and
we
actually
want
to
keep
those
buildings
and
not
redevelop
them
anyway,
because.
H
G
H
A
And
and
just
people,
we
we've
invited
somebody
from
the
new
building
coalition
to
come
next
month.
So
that
will
give
us
some
ideas
of
what's
going
on
at
the
state
of
the
art
in
terms
of
really
carbon
neutral
buildings.
And
that
would
give
us
some
ideas
and
then
they
probably
will
have
ideas
in
terms
of
what
might
incentivize
development.
A
Oh
sure
so
maybe
turn
to
the
next
one,
and
you
were
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
accelerate.
H
A
H
H
H
The
entire
Community
would
be
more
apt
to
read,
rather
than
look
at
a
PowerPoint
or
a
memo
or
a
table,
and
it
has
a
lot
of
flexibility
to
it
and
just
to
know
that,
even
though
it
comes
out
of
error,
its
intent
is
to
cover
the
entire
county
is
in
all
of
government.
H
So
you
saw
storm
water
here
as
well
as
Transportation
we're
looking
at
the
water
pollution
treatment,
plant,
Eric,
robowski's
team
over
in
solid
waste
and
other
measures
to
to
Really
highlight
more
I
mean
you
know,
you
don't
want
to
dump
everything
in
one
edition
and,
and
you
want
people
to
come
back
and
and
be
engaged
each
time.
They
read
it
and
get
new
information
that
really
touches
them
and
and
intrigues
them.
So.
H
You
know
we
initially
thought
quarterly,
but
we
think
that
might
be
too
frequent,
so
we're
toying
around
with
three
times
a
year,
two
reports
and
then
an
annual
or
maybe
just
a
semi-annual,
just
one
report
like
this
and
then
an
annual
where
you
capture
everything
for
the
year.
So
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that,
let
us
know.
J
A
H
H
Well,
it
takes
yeah,
it
takes
at
least
a
couple
of
months
to
do
the
analytics
and
and
the
text
that,
of
course
you
want
everybody,
you
know
every
single
department
has
to
is
entitled
to
go
over
and
look
at
their
section
or
to
provide
us
their
own
text.
What
we're
doing
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
information.
So
that's
a
there's,
a
single
writer,
so
you
don't
have
18
different
tones
and
voices
in
the
report.
B
J
H
J
J
H
J
H
And
then
we
were
looking
to
do
little
kind
of
email,
blasts
or
social
media
blasts
and
and
things
of
that
nature
I
think
it
they're
going
to
sit
down
and
I'm
going
to
step
back
and
let
the
the
Outreach
experts
kind
of
do
their
thing.
Rebecca
is
going
to
be
sitting
down
with
Des
comps
and
the
county
managers,
comms
team
and
really
saying
you
know:
let's
get
this
out,
so
we
socialize
it.
So
the
community
feels
like
they
own
it
like
it's
their
report.
You
know
what
I
mean.
J
B
A
H
G
A
H
H
Guidelines
manual,
as
well
as
not
your
grandmother's
green
infrastructure
program,
which
is
really
going
to
cross
over
into
biophilia
in
a
couple
of
other
areas,
because,
as
you've
I
think
you've
heard
me
say
before
the
the
county
only
owns
four
to
six
percent
of
the
developed
or
the
developable
land
in
the
county.
So
if
you're
really
going
to
reach
your
goals,
your
long-term
goals,
it
really
takes
a
concerted,
imaginative,
inventive
approach
to
engaging
and
and
getting
the
private
sector
to
be
your
partner.
H
So
that
is
going
to
be
something
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at:
every
single
possible
Innovative,
green
infrastructure
in
design
and
public
spaces,
etc,
etc.
You
know
possibility
so
there's
going
to
be
those
two
things
and
we're
getting
closer.
The
nofas
are
starting
to
roll
off
the
presses
slowly
on
the
federal
money,
so
we're
going
to
start
targeting,
probably
four
to
six
main
applications.
That
doesn't
mean
there's
only
going
to
be
four
to
six.
Don't
forget
that
we
are
working
collaboratively
with
the
Cog
and
with
nvrc
John.
H
So
we
would
have
a
uniform
but
very
powerful
curriculum
that
would
be
deployed
on
a
regional
basis
but
more
to
come
on
our
applications
for
the
federal
grants,
foreign
Bloom.
Did
you
see
the
the
I
copied
you
on
that
update
to
the
evse
funding?
H
So
just
so
you
know
we
were
on
a
webinar
I
think
around
two
and
a
half
weeks
ago,
three
weeks
ago,
where
VDOT
said
that
the
money
coming
out
of
the
IRA
was
for
state
and
federal
corridors
and
that
in
their
mapping
and
they
brought
up
the
map
and
Bob
Lazaro
was
there.
So
it
was
Jeff
King.
We
were
all
kind
of
really
disappointed
and
they
said
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
Northern
Virginia
is
built
out.
So
we're
like.
Oh
heck
man,
not
another.
You
know
offering.
H
That
is,
we
don't
have
any
eligibility
to
squeeze
in
there
and
take
advantage
of
it,
but
then
Alana
our
our
legislative
liaison
emailed
today,
and
there
was
something
about
the
headline
that
made
you
scratch
your
head
and
when
you
opened
it
up,
there
are
two
sectors
under
that
funding,
and
one
of
them
is
for
local
roads
and
local
EDSA.
H
So
we're
pushing
that
with
we're
working
with
two
Consultants
on
our
Federal
Grant
application.
So
we're
going
to
push
that
up
to
one
one
of
the
other
Consultants
to
start
developing
a
proposal
on
that.
Pursuant
to
what
we
were
talking
about
now
again
it
it
appears
as
though
that
isn't
on
private
property.
So
it's
going
to
be
in
the
public
right
away
and
on
public
sites,
but
we've
been
developing
a
network
of
Public
Access
public
use
sites
on
County
Properties
for
around
four
months
now,.
E
Love
the
publication,
I
love
the
use
of
Graphics.
If
the
general
audience
really
is
the
general
public.
This
may
be
a
bit
long
for
them.
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
this
annually,
where
you
have
the
full
report,
but
then
you
might
consider
like
a
monthly
or
quarterly
kind
of
Spotlight
on
just
one
area
and
like
a
one-page
fact
sheet
that
can
that
residents
can
digest
that.
E
Maybe
you
can
go
out
to
the
schools
to
talk
to
the
kids
about
or
other
ways
to
get
the
information
out
there,
including
Peach
star,
but
you
need
kind
of
bite-sized
chunks,
because
if
folks
aren't
in
this
stuff
every
day
a
report,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
read
by
the
general
public,
there's
a
lot
of
great
information
there
I
like
the
minimum,
minimal
text
and
great
use
of
Graphics.
So
it's
really
well
done.
You
know,
folks,
like
us,
can
geek
out
on
this,
but
not
not
everyone
else.
H
H
C
J
D
Personally,
think
that
this
could
literally
take
over
all
of
the
current
missing
middle
Dialogue
on
next
door,
wouldn't.
A
A
G
A
B
A
This
is
or
just
for
this
year,
no
because
it
just
went
in
this
year
so
over
the
course
of
the
year.
That's
what
they're
getting
so
probably
a
little
bit
estimated,
but
you
know,
and
it
probably
will
fluctuate
every
year
should
we
add.
A
A
B
J
G
K
J
J
A
Some
of
the
thinking
of
the
the
first
two
is
is
the
two
previous
paragraphs.
First.
Is
you
know
we
need
these
kind
of
One-Stop
shop
programs
to
get
out
of
the
private
sector
which,
after
all,
is
96
of
our
carbon
emissions,
and
then
we
also
the
county
needs
to
lead
by
example,
which
means
you
know
every
opportunity
they
have.
They
replace
gas
with
electricity,
they
replace
the,
and
that
includes
the
bus
system,
so
that
you
know
so
those
are
kind
of
outline.
A
You
know
these
are
the
investment
or
these
are
the
spending
there
should
be
in
the
budget
and
then
say,
but
you
know,
because
you
know
they're
going
to
come
as
well.
This
is
all
really
expensive.
So,
coming
back
and
saying
you
know,
number
one
you're
getting
money
back
from
it.
So,
first
of
all,
there
was
the
one
Million
last
year
that
you
know
they're
now
spreading
that
over
two
years,
so
it
wasn't
as
appealing
attractive
is,
is
what
it
impactful
is
what
it
might
have
been.
A
But
then
you
know
it's
like
well,
we've
got
two:
are
you
getting
2
million
over
two
million
dollars?
You
know
that
should
be
besides
that
and
then
you
know
it's
like
and
then
there's
all
this
other
money.
That's
out
there
there's
other
Investments
like
Green,
Banks
and
ccas
again
that
all
bring
money
too,
but
the
county
kind
of
thinking
and
investing
in
it
and
that
you
know
collectively
that's
where
all
the
money
is
going
to
come
from
if
the
county
is
committing
to
to
doing
these
things.
D
I
think
it's
an
important
point
that
the
you
know
the
achievement
of
100
Renewable
Power
procurement,
two
years
ahead
of
the
goal
is
really
nice,
but
the
savings
are
dramatic
and
nobody,
that's
not
part
of
the
tagline
and
I.
J
A
G
E
J
C
A
K
K
K
A
J
B
A
A
E
K
A
D
A
I
Yeah
I
wanted
to
this
letter
relies
very,
very
heavily
on
bullet
points
and
it's
I
mean
more
than
half
the
letter
is
built
up
points.
Okay,
if
you're
going
to
use
bullet
points,
I
really
think
you
got
to
set
them
off
with
a
blank
line
in
between
each
bullet
point
and
between
the
the
lead-in
text
and
the
bullet
point
you
need
to
have
a
blank
line,
otherwise
it
all
gets
jammed
in
together.
It's
just
from
readability,
point
of
view.
It's
a
really
struggle
for
the
reader
to
parse
through
the
denseness.
B
B
B
B
B
Yes,
would
this
be
a
place
to
bring
up
the
stormwater
wise
program
or
give
me
the.
B
Don't
we
have,
we
have
something
on
stormwater
I,
don't.
B
We
certainly
could
in
the
past
some
of
the
stormwater
funding
has
come
from
State
programs.
A
I
mean
state
of
programs
similar
to
the
stormwater
wise
as
part
of
that.
So
why
program
foreign
yeah?
We
could
do
that.
Our.
B
A
Is
heavily
focused
on
well,
maybe
that
a
third
bullet
on
the
first
paragraph,
because
it
kind
of
fits
into
helping
it
would
be
kind
of
more
the
climate
mitigation
yeah.
The
next
paragraph
after
the
offer
programs.
D
Budget
is
being
cut
by
eight
percent
and
the
position
is
being
eliminated.
Yes,
which
is
bad
news.
Do
we
have
any
comparable
information
about
budgets
for
similar
air
agencies,
say
I,
don't
know,
compare
facts
to
Montgomery
to
Alexandria
to
you.
A
A
J
B
Budget,
so
that's
okay!
So
that's
in
addition
to
the
eight
percent,
but
it's
it's
harder
to
know
what.
A
D
A
B
A
G
The
other
thing
that
happens
the
stormwater
program
as
employees
that
are
in
stormwater
program,
yes,
and
it
has
individuals
who
are
part
of
the
stormwater
program,
we've
seen
another
different
department
of
Transportation,
and
so,
when
you
start
trying
to
match
these
things
up,
find
that
there
isn't.
There
may
be
somebody
else
out
there.
That's
in
the
program,
that's
actually
not
sitting
in
the
place
where
you
think
they'd
be
sitting
and
now
like
that
is
a
okay
I
understand
it's
a
common
thing.
That's
happening
in
Arlington.
J
A
Okay,
okay,
so
if.
A
But
still
the
year
program
is
the
major
implement
of
most
of
the
major
climate
programs.
So.
K
They
finally
would
have
that
ability,
bird's
eye
view
to
engage
with,
and
they
were
I
mean
they
were
budgeted
to
have
a
senior
and
a
junior
person,
and-
and
my
understanding
is
not
only
did
they
not
hire
that
Junior
person
they
eliminated
the
funding
for
that
for
that
position
for
the
upcoming
Year's
budget.
So
it's
not
just
oh,
they
haven't
hired
them.
Yet
it's
we're.
J
A
J
A
C
J
C
J
C
C
C
This
other
expert-
and
he
says
you
can
do
it
assistant
you've
already
chosen.
You
can
do
all
electric
hot
water
and
then
be
a
lot
of
synergies
between
them,
so
they
did
I
put
them
on
the
spot.
They
agreed
to
meet
with
them
and
they
have
been
meeting
with
them
and
supposedly
they've
had
good
meetings
but
they're
not
ready
yet
and
Meanwhile
we're
building
communication.
Coalition,
yes,
June
said
I,
get
them
up
to
speak
next
month
and
I
hope
they'll
be
able
to
do
that.
They
agree
to.
J
C
Stop
unless
we
pick
up,
but
it
has
been,
you
know
both
the
kids
as
they've
had
great
conversations
and
I've
talked
to
the
architect,
Ure
they're.
Having
great
conversations.
Nothing
has
come
a
bit
so
far,
but
it
you
know
when
we
do
it,
you
know
I,
don't
know,
I
see
the
best
PRC
on
the
edge
topic.
We.
C
A
C
B
J
J
F
C
I
scored
it
at
64.
I
think
we
could
talk
about
as
we.
F
C
C
Is
a
certain
amount
of
subjectivity
in
our
in
our
centers,
of
course,
our
stamp
GPI
program,
which
you
know
as
much
as
Katie
Crystal
was
talking
about
that
was
the
next
question.
The
third
paragraph
I
wanted
to
call
out
that
you
know
we
say
this
is
sort
of
our
standard
language
and
practical
terms.
That
means
four
things
for
every
new
and
renovated.
C
C
A
K
B
A
I
I
I
B
Yes,
because
they're
proposing
possible
empowered.
I
I
C
Thank
you
good.
So,
in
the
next
paragraph
a
question
that's
been
raised
that
maybe
we'll
talk
about
in
that
smrc
discussion,
which
is
we
asked
for
everybody
to
go
for
lead
Platinum
in
our
standards.
You
have
you
know
we
want.
We
would
like
everybody
to
do
lead
Platinum.
That
is
not
part
of
the
qbi
program
right
now
and
I.
Don't
know
if
the
questions
about
that
basically
Platinum
really
well
what
we
want
the
focus
of
our
ask
our
big
ass
to
be.
Maybe
we
should
Park
that.
A
B
Think
we
eliminated
and
and
our
real
ask
is
that
they
do
a
zero
carbon
assessment.
J
J
C
Why
don't
we
I
feel
like
we
Americana
just
as
I'm
raising
these
issues,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
talk
about
that
I'm
going
to
keep
going
and
let's
highlight.
A
C
Explore
options
so
in
the
next
episode.
C
C
A
J
C
J
C
I
suppose
that
they
actually
have
a
fantastic
conversation
with
you
know
the
ability
to
current
people
in
San,
Francisco
facts
on
differences
or
suppose
that
they
call
back
before
the
reading.
I
guess
when
I
comes
time
to
make
a
motion
to
prove
this
letter,
I'd
like
to
make
it
subject
to
Google.
You
know
something
to
any
changes
by
saying
yeah
so
that
we
can
update
it,
because
I
know
that
if
you
watch
that
monarchy
clip,
which
was
amazing
it
and
we
did
jobs,
but
they
developer
kept
saying
oh,
but
we
changed
that
I.
B
C
A
J
J
D
C
It
does
get
harder,
I
understand
possible
anyway.
So
there's
that
paragraph,
the
electric
vehicle
charging
I,
don't
know
if
50
is
High
I
mean
people
again,
you
get
the
Dominion
capacity
issue
and
people
roll
their
eyes
at
50,
because
not
all
cars
are
being
charged
at
all
times
in
the
garage,
but
anyway
they're
doing
15
things
needs
for
this
project.
C
We
don't
have
to
talk
about
what
should
be
I
threw
in
the
ipcc,
just
like
carried
in
the
budget
letter
I
changed
that
paragraph
a
little
bit
and
those
I
really
want
to
talk
through
the
chart
and
those
were
the
questions.
Those
were
my
main
kind
of
different
letters
that
other
people
have.
D
F
D
You
on
bringing
in
the
building
decarbonization
Coalition
it's
funny
because
I
just
said
their
website
to
Joan
in
the
context
of
the
earlier
I.
You
know,
BDC
I
know
them.
Rewiring
I
know
them
really
well,
they
are
there.
They
want
to
support
this.
Okay,
so
I
know
they're.
A
non-profit
I
also
know
that
they're
very
well
resourced.
D
And
I
think
that
we
should
be
trying
to
Leverage
them
in
whatever
capacity
we
can
to
push
back
against.
This
Owen
can't
be
done.
The
technology
is
not
mature,
blah
blah
blah.
D
D
Well,
we
have
there's
a
million
dollars,
maybe
like
I
mean
there
was
I
was
part
of
a
program
once
and
there
was
a
function
called
ask
an
expert
meant
that
anybody
in
the
world
could
contact
you
and
ask
an
expert
and
it
actually
works.
Sometimes
you
know
you
could
answer
I
think
an
inquiry
with
like
an
hour
of
your
time
and
you
know,
provide
value
so.
J
K
Well,
I
mean
frankly,
I
emailed
I
emailed
the
colleague.
While
we
were
having
this
discussion
asking
about
it
and,
and
he
said
that
he
was
going
to
get
back
to
us
but
I,
don't
you
know
it
he's?
Not
he.
He
knows
some.
K
Don't
know
if
this
would
you
know
fit
into
that
or
not
or
if
it's
something
that
that
they
can
I,
don't
know
it's
just
something
that
there
are
people,
I'm,
sure,
I,
didn't
really
know
the
answer
to
this
I
don't
know
who
they
are
and
maybe
going
through
that
program
that
Arlington
has
funding
for
get
the
answer.
K
C
And
I
I
think
I
I
think
that
would
be
great
when
we
can
get
some
money
for
experts
from
any
Source
private,
Republic,
I
I
think
you
know,
and
maybe
that
heirs
have
that's
not
bad,
but
another
way
to
go
was
it
was
raised,
is
if
some
of
these
systems
do
cost
more
to
put
in
initially.
If
we
were
talking.
C
C
C
I
know
that
we're
going
to
run
out
of
time
yeah
before
we
letter
so
because
I
think
we
it's
hard
we're
all
filling
out
these
sprc
charts
and
there's
some
subjectivity,
and
you
know
if
we're
going
to
say
64
is
one
of
the
higher
things
we've
given
I.
J
C
To
make
sure
that
we're
so
one
question
I
have
is
the
zero
currently
the
second,
where
there's
the
red.
In
the
second
box,
we've
said,
they've
said
that
they
will
do
the
zero
carbon
certification
study.
They've
said
it,
they
put
it
on
their
website
and
they've
said
it
from
the
beginning.
They
actually
have
checked
it
off
that
they
have.
You
know
that
it's
a
done
deal.
They
haven't
actually
finished
it.
So
do
we
have
to
raise
them,
as
can
we
say?
Can
we
say
needs
it
starts
to
make
a
difference.
C
J
C
C
Going
down
this
I
hope
you
all
agree
with
me
on
the
air
gbi,
the
bottom
of
this
air
gbi
requirement
narrative
and
that
I,
the
County
Planning
staff
sent
me
the
narrative
that
has
been
provided
provided
accounting.
The
county
hasn't
posted
it,
but
the
county
plans
to
feel
as
good
I
gave
them.
Okay
exceeds
as
if
it's
not
they
gave
it
to
the
county
for
I,
don't
want
to
date
them
because
yeah.
B
C
So
going
down
to
battery
energy
storage,
which
is
pretty
far
down
battery
enemies,
so
I
left
this
one
blank
which
makes
core,
if
you
don't
say,
fall
short
because
they're
not
generating
battery
agents
a
generating
electricity.
How
you
could
argue
that
having
battery
energy
storage
would
be
helpful
future
for
future
conversions
Etc.
C
But
you
know
that's
pretty
far:
Advanced!
That's
not
where
people
are
now.
K
J
C
K
K
C
G
C
To
see
if
there
are
still
areas
where
we
want
people,
the
biophilia
is
another
one
like
it's
not
like.
There
was
biofilic
before
so
you
know,
but
is
it
18.8
percent
there's
like
two
percent,
you
know
I'm
just
giving
them
needs
because
it
would
take
a
complete
transformation
of
Crystal
City
to
get
an
exceed
over
there,
and
so,
if
again,
that's
just
sort
of
a
gut
feel
of
them.
Is
there
a
lot
of
things
yeah.
C
A
J
B
C
J
J
J
A
B
J
B
A
A
Evolving
art,
yeah
yeah
and
the
other
thing
was
on
the
Energy.
Efficiency
efficiency
is
the
feed
since
that
75,
but
then
we
said
exceeds
that
fake
because
it
got
tied
to
the
different
tiers
of
the
GDI
which
nobody
lives
up
to,
but
in
this
particular
case
they're
actually
exceeding
and
getting
to
the
85.
under.
J
A
C
B
J
B
J
B
To
provide
enough
or
to
gusts
The,
Building
Systems,
it
seems
as
though
it
was
not
set
up.
It
is
much
more
heavily
focused
to
what
the
immediate
Community
thinks
about
the
looks
and
the
transportation
and
traffic
issues,
pedestrian
safety,
Plus
architectural
interest
plus
there's
always
folks
commenting
up
which.
J
B
Because
it's
on
our
about
native
plantings
or
not
that
kind
of
thing,
but
there
never
seems
to
be
an
appropriate
moment
early
enough
to
raise
what
kind
of
systems
are
building,
add
to
or
subtract
from
our
ability
to
achieve
our
2050
Community
goals
to
be
a
carbon
neutral
Community.
J
B
Plan,
so
we
all
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
on
this
I
feel
like.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
as
a
commission,
can
be
more
efficient
and
insisting.
B
When
we
have
30
seconds
to
say
something
about
why
we
have
to
continue
to
have
fossil
fuel
systems,
Power
Systems-
and
we
talked
earlier
with
a
previous
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission,
about
reaching
out
to
the
chair
of
every
sprc
from
day
one
and
insisting
that
Building
Systems
Energy
Systems
be
an
agenda
item
early.
But.
J
F
Why
don't
we
make
a
programmatic
recommendation
to
County
staff
about
collect
this
information
up
from
the
start
of
the
program,
with
an
understanding
that,
at
the
end
of
the
program
and
the
commenting
comes
out,
it's
going
to
get
all
sorts
of
bad
ratings
because
they're
making
bad
choices
at
the
start,
so
that,
if
that
input,
would
be
something
that
staff
would
be
providing
at
the
very
beginning
of
County
review
of
the
projects
and
making
very
firm
recommendation
from
this
commission
to
staff
to
use
this
checklist
to
inform
every
project
applicant.
This
is
what's
coming
down.
F
B
They're
gonna
get
pushed
back
on
that
particular
thing,
because
they're
going
to
say
that
that
is
not
the
County's
policy,
because
they
cannot
require
buildings,
private
buildings,
to
build.
F
B
Leverage,
this
is
what
I
did
with
my
my
the
current
sprc
that
I'm
associated
with
the
Verizon
Wells
Fargo
I
sent
the
blank
checklist
before
any
of
it
started
to
the
sprc
chair
and
the
planning
commission
committee
staff
representative
and
said.
Would
you
please
share
with
the
applicant,
because
these
are
the
kinds
of
topics
that
we
will
be
asking
questions
on
and
we
will
score
and
I
got
no
response
to
the
email
about
whether
they
shared
it
or
didn't,
and
so
I
do
think
that
we
should
request
that
applicants
be.
B
From
day
one
about
the
kind
of
questions
this
commission
is
going
to
care
about
they're,
not
going
to
say
that
their
County
requirements,
it's.
A
K
So
I
mean
yeah
I
mean
we
did
do
this.
Kevin
I
mean
specifically
when
we
produced
that
first
checklist.
Like
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
we
specifically
asked
just
like
Harry,
said
that
the
staff
Point
pushed
back,
because
that's
not
that's
not
their
role
and
we
did
ask
was
her
name
Elizabeth
Liz.
What
was
the
name
of
the
the
previous
Jessica?
K
K
That's
on
the
previous
chair
of
the
Review
Committee
of
the
planning
committee
Elizabeth.
B
K
B
K
F
K
B
A
I
mean
when
we're
doing
this
and
we're
sharing
the
the
checklist
and
we're
trying
to
engage
from
the
beginning-
and
we
often
just
don't
get
frankly
I've
set
two
of
the
second
SPF
PR
who
they
they
put.
You
know
they
have,
you
know,
look
and
feel
of
the
building
and
the
site
flow
as
your
first
one,
and
then
everything
else
is
powered
up
into
the
other.
So
at
nine
o'clock
they
were
getting
around
the
sustainability
and
it's
like
okay,
we're
out
of
time.
So
you
know
I
could
make.
We
did
around
the
table
comments
and.
H
J
A
K
K
No
there's
a
reason:
I
haven't
but
foreign
every
time,
I
have
like
half
the
other
Commissioners
who
have
nothing
to
do
with
this
in
their
actual
formal
scope
are
like
yeah.
K
Mean
you
know
there
is
a
lot
of
support
right
for
what
we
say
in
these
commission
meetings,
but
it's
because
it's
not
a
formal
part
of
it.
It
becomes
haphazard
and,
and
so
I
I
think
I
think
if
there
is
a
way
to
bring
it
up,
maybe
not
in
an
sprc
but
actually
at
a
planning
commissioning
commission
hearing
like
so
that
I
don't
know
what
how
the
Planning
Commission
runs.
K
A
Yeah,
but
one
thing
I've
raised
in
actually
maybe
we'll
work
it
out.
I,
don't
know
whether
it
will
happen
is
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
the
point
meeting
between
planning
transportation
in
our
commission
to
talk
about
these
these
issues
because-
and
maybe
we
can
kind
of
because
I
think
there's
there's
some
well
there's
a
little
tension
with
that,
because
they
want
to
improve
the
transit
side
that
they
don't
want
to
Electrify.
A
F
E
B
And
ask
if
we
can
be
can
be
an
agenda
item,
sbrc
reviews
and
and
talk
about
it
at
their
meeting,
because
I
think
they're
going
to
be
less
motivated
to
come
to
have
a
extra
meeting,
yeah
and
I.
Don't
know
yeah.
F
C
C
They
were
sending
us
coming
back
and
then
we
we
did
the
same
thing
on
crystal
Towers,
three
Joan
and
I.
Did
we
sent
them
a
long
letter
and
it
didn't
get
I
felt
distracted
to
not
get
worded
by
County
staff
I
followed
up
and
they
reported
it
today
and
the
developer
believed
on
and
said
well
how
about
the
answers
a
few
days.
C
So
there's
what
I
don't
love
about?
That
is
interesting,
but
it
is
incredibly
helpful
and
then
something
that's
PRC
I
did
was
make
all
that
information
public.
So
it
gets
there.
But
it's
it
does
get
us
the
information
early
in
the
process,
which
is
exactly
what
we
were
saying,
but
it's
not
filtered.
B
So
there's
no
systematic
solution
that
we
can
achieve.
A
Next
one
you're
out
it
depends.
You
know
the
project
if
there's
something
controversial,
that
the
community
doesn't
like,
but
the
last
I've
been
to
two
when
we
were
out
an
hour
and
a
half,
whereas
these
other
ones
where
it's
two
hours
and
you
know
the
last
one-
they
actually
put
sustainability
up
front.
So
we
actually
got
to
talk
about
it,
but.
J
J
C
A
Technically,
they've
got
that
flexibility
and
theoretically,
the
online
comments
should
help
direct
that,
but
it's
still
pretty
much
standardized
in
terms
of
what
what
they're.
Looking
at
and
again,
you
know
even
on
the
online
comments
and
anybody
you
can
go
in
and
make
comments
whoever's
got.
The
lead
can
go
as
SPCA
say
to
me
too,
but
you
know
the
more
people
saying
yeah
we
care
about
this.
At
least
it
will.
You
know,
kind
of
get
a
bit
more
attention.
C
C
G
B
Well
it
the
scoring
system,
you
know
anybody
who
was
ever
a
good
student
is
not
going
to
want
to
see
the
kind
of
scores
we
will
leave
the
building
right.
J
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
part
of
the
point
and
I
attend
this
as
well.
You
know
those
that
are
doing
the
gbi
are
meeting
the
middle
sustainability
requirements.
But
again
you
know
we're
trying
to
hammer
home
as
we've
got
to
stop
burning
fossil
fuels.
If
we're
going
to
deal
with
the
climate
crisis
in
there.
This
is
burning
fossil
fuels,
but.
B
C
J
D
Whole
discussion
about
sprc
and
how
to
get
you
know
how
to
get
our
issues,
maybe
a
little
promoted
in
the
process.
Isn't
this
something
that
presumably
like
builds
a.
J
D
K
The
Planning
Commission
is
is
just
like
us,
an
independent
body
that
chooses
what
they
want
to
hear
from
the
developers
in
order
to
to
decide
whether
they
are
going
to
give
a
thumbs
up
or
thumbs
down
to
to
a
project,
and
then
the
County
Board
doesn't
even
doesn't
have
to
go
by
what
they
decide
and
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
it
wouldn't
maybe
influence
their
decision.
But
the
County
government
does
not
have
I
understand
it.
I.
A
Mean
I
think
Bill
can
help
keep
the
education
and
he's
supposed
to
bring
about
that
Old
Government
approach.
So
at
least
everybody
has
a
better
understanding
and
hopefully
with
the
gbi
update-
and
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
Demetra
talked
about
if
they're
fleshed
out
that
or
aligned
with
the
kind
of
criteria
that
we're
setting
that
that
would
you
know
kind
of
ease
our
burden
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
you
know,
we
just
focus
on
you
know:
are
you
doing
the
climate
pathway?