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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
second
of
three
housing
Arlington
community
conversations,
this
interactive
dialogue
will
look
at
the
intersection
of
housing
and
and
in
the
environment.
Tonight
we
have
a
number
of
guests
with
us
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
now
and
I'll
start
with
Jason
Parker
Cosmo,
who
is
the
watershed
programs
manager
with
the
Department
of
Environmental
Services
to
my
immediate
left,
is
Eric
guts.
B
A
Urban
forest
manager,
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
I,
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
participate
with
us
tonight.
You
can
do
so
on
Facebook
by
texting
or
entering
your
information
into
the
text
box
on
the
Facebook
platform,
or
you
can
text
us
using
the
phone
number
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen,
as
we
go
through
tonight,
we'll
be
sure
to
try
and
include
your
questions
as
we
continue
our
conversation.
So
get
your
questions
ready.
While
you
do
that,
I
want
to
give
you
some
background.
A
C
A
The
ideas
were
huge
so,
and
the
question
on
the
table
was
how
should
Arlington
grow.
So
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
people.
52
52
different
civic
associations
participated,
people
of
all
ages,
races
backgrounds
gave
us
input,
and
three
of
the
big
ideas
that
came
from
that
were
planning
for
growth,
continue
to
plan
to
understand
that
we
are
going
to
grow
and
we
need
to
plan
around
that
protecting
Arlington's
diversity
and
inclusive
housing.
A
These
ideas
are
really
in
line
with
housing,
arlington
and
certainly
something
that
we
can
use
as
a
bridge
forward
to
what
we're
doing
now.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
are
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard.
In
addition
to
that
is
that
you
know,
arlington
is
changing,
growth
is
happening,
housing
prices
are
rising
and,
in
response
to
all
that,
the
county
board
and
in
the
spring
of
this
year
started
the
housing
arlington
initiative.
There
are
six
sub
initiatives
to
housing,
Arlington,
including
land
use
tools,
financial
tools,
employee
housing,
the
condo
initiative.
A
Deston
financial
tools,
institutional
parts
and
partnerships
and
Arlington
the
update
to
the
housing
master
plan.
Now
these
six
initiatives
are
going
to
be
worked
on
in
a
coordinated
way,
so
our
staff
is
working.
We
have
six
staff
that
are
working
on
each
of
those.
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
coordinated
response
dealing
with
the
shortfall
in
housing
that
we
see
in
Arlington,
dealing
with
the
need
for
more
affordable
housing
in
Arlington
and
we're
going
to
tackle
these
issues
in
a
coordinated
manner.
I
want
to
before
we
get
into
our
conversation.
A
I
want
to
clarify
some
terms.
We
talked
about
affordable
housing,
often
in
Arlington.
That
generally
means
targeting
our
resources
to
those
who
earn
sixty
percent
of
median
or
below
and
I
think
there's
a
chart.
We
have
that
gives
you
that
information
for
a
family
of
four
that's
about
seventy
three
thousand
dollars
a
year,
there's
also
the
concept
of
missing
middle
housing,
housing
that
might
be
affordable
to
those
at
80
percent
to
120
percent
of
median
income.
We
will
be
engaging
in
a
missing
middle
study.
A
In
the
coming
year,
we
will
be
looking
at
housing
types
that
might
be
affordable
to
that
into
that
income
group
and
we'll.
We
will
see
how
we
can
progress
through
a
conversation
with
the
community
at
that
time:
missing:
rental
housing,
affordable
housing.
These
are
all
a
part
of
the
spectrum
that
we
call
housing,
affordable
and
in
terms
of
trying
to
move
forward
and
create
this
diverse,
inclusive
Arlington.
A
These
are
the
things
that
we
want
to
study
and
look
at
so
with
all
of
that
said,
I
want
to
start
with
my
first
question
to
Eric
cutshall
to
my
left,
who
is
still
smiling
and
asked
about
something
that
really
came
up
in
our
last
engagement
last
week.
The
issue
of
McMansions
tear
downs
that
happen
in
single-family
areas.
Is
there
what
role
does
the
county
play
and
allowing
these
types
of
developments
well?.
C
What
a
lot
of
folks
may
not
necessarily
realize
is
that,
while
the
county
can
set
the
rules
within
our
zoning
ordinance
under
which
builders
and
homeowners
have
to
comply
most
of
the
time
when
you
see
a
home
that
is
being
tear
down
and
then
rebuilt,
that
is
being
done
what's
known
by
right.
So
we
have
two
ways
that
you
see
that
development
generally
happens
in
Arlington.
One
is
by
Wright
and
the
other
is
through
special
exception,
which
is
usually
with
a
site
plan
or
a
use
permit.
C
So
when
you
see
the
kind
of
development
that
we've
had
that's
usually
larger
scale
and
our
Metro
corridors,
that
is
generally
going
to
be
special
exception
site
plan.
When
you
see
what's
happening
in
our
residential
single-family
neighborhoods,
that's
generally
going
to
be
right,
be
by
right.
Okay,.
A
A
I
wonder
if
there's
anything
we
want
to
say
in
follow
the
Elizabeth
we've
got
this
legacy
of
development,
concentrating
density
and
our
transportation
corridors
and
transitioning
to
these
edge
areas
and
single-family
their
neighborhoods.
Are
there
environmental
benefits
to
this
type
of
development
pattern?
Certainly.
D
There
are
compact,
walkable
neighborhoods,
do
reduce
energy
per
person,
the
units
that
they
live
in
tend
to
be
smaller
when
people
live
in
dense
neighborhoods,
especially
in
Arlington,
where
we
tend
to
find
these
along.
Our
transit
corridors
you'll
see
less
single
Auto
vehicle
trips
per
day,
so
people
tend
to
take
advantage
of
transit.
Also,
those
areas
were
planned
for
development,
we're
not
seeing
as
much
loss
of
trees
as
we
might
with
the
taro
down
of
single
family
homes
on
private
Lots.
D
These
areas
are
already
developed,
the
sort
of
development
we
see
tends
to
be
redevelopment
and,
as
said,
that
often
goes
through
a
site
plan
review
process.
Some
of
you
watching
might
have
participated
in
this
where
the
public
is
involved
and
we
go
through
a
number
of
issues,
including
how
we
maintain
tree
canopy
on
the
site.
We
vegetate
if
we
lose
trees
and
if
we
can't
get
everything
we
want
on
the
site,
how
we
might
get
it
nearby
or
the
developer
might
make
contributions
to
provide
trees
in
other
areas
of
the
county.
D
A
E
Guess
I
would
I
would
lead
off
with
a
term
I
probably
use
a
lot
tonight
impervious
surfaces.
These
are
surfaces
that
don't
allow
rainwater
to
soak
into
the
ground,
so
rooftops,
roadways,
buildings,
parking
lots,
etc.
So
Arlington
and
it's
typical
of
a
lot
of
our
you
know
close
and
neighbors.
We
have
a
lot
of
impervious
surfaces
somewhere
between
40,
45
percent
and
you'll,
see
it.
You
know
more
in
some
of
the
urban
core
areas
and
so
Arlington
Fairfax
Alexandria
DC.
E
You
know
the
inner
suburbs
of
Montgomery
County
are
experiencing
sort
of
similar
pressures
and
we
kind
of
look
at
it.
Sort
of
a
two
to
two
different
ways.
There's
there's
the
impact
we
already
have,
which
are
significant
from
these
surfaces.
A
lot
of
the
stuff
development
we
have
in
place
today
was
built
over
decades
and,
at
the
same
time
today
we're
seeing
incremental
increases
in
those
impervious
surfaces
as
redevelopment
occurs,
and
most
of
those
increases
are
coming
from
the
single-family
neighborhoods.
So
that's
not
necessarily
the
case
everywhere
else
in
the
region.
E
Our
land-use
patterns
are
might
be
a
little
different
in
that
regard.
For
example,
when
we
talk
to
Alexandria,
they
don't
are
necessarily
seeing
the
teardown
pressures
that
we're
seeing
here.
So
you
know
we
we
chose,
and
the
County
Board
took
this
action
in
21
team
when
we
updated
our
stormwater
ordinance
to
take
the
option
to
regulate
these
single-family
home
areas
and
it's
a
challenge.
E
A
C
It's
something
that
we
can
talk
about,
certainly
and
even
take
action
on,
but
it's
not
quite
as
easy
as
wave
the
magic
wand
and
and
suddenly
we've
solved
our
problem,
because
a
couple
of
main
reasons,
one
is
that
Virginia
is
what's
known
as
a
Dillon
rule.
State
and
Virginia
is
also
well
regarded
throughout
the
nation
as
being
very
strong
on
property
rights,
which
means
that
anything
that
we
do
when
I
was
describing.
How
a
lot
of
this
redevelopment
that
we're
seeing
in
single-family
neighborhoods
is
by
right.
C
That
means
that
the
owner
of
that
property
has
an
existing
right
to
redevelop.
That
property
again
has
to
meet
our
zoning
ordinance.
But
but
but
if
they're
going
to
meet
the
ordinance,
then
we
have
to
allow
them
to
do
it
so
to
change
the
rules
under
which
what
they
can
do,
that
we
can't
diminish
the
economic
value
of
the
land
under
under
the
Dylan
rule
and
under
prop
right.
So
that
means
that
we
have
to
look
at
ways
of
of
how
do
we?
C
How
do
we
control
the
form
of
development
that
we
get,
but
it's
not
always
as
easy.
We're
a
large
community.
We've
got
a
little
under
230,000
folks
here
we
don't
always
agree
on
exactly
what
the
right
answer
is
and
I
think
a
good
example
of
that
was
several
years
back.
We
did
a
major
look
at
what
was
allowed
by
right
when
we
looked
at
our
lot
coverage.
C
So
one
of
the
rules
that
builders
have
to
comply
with
is
the
there's
rules
for
the
main
footprint
of
the
house
and
for
total
coverage
on
on
the
lot,
based
on
your
zoning
district,
what
you
could
do
and
when
we
looked
at
that
it
was
really
hard
to
find
consensus.
There
was
a
lot
of
different
ideas
around
that
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
that
people
don't
always
appreciate
intuitively-
is
that
whatever
you
want
to
allow
the
nice
little
old
lady
to
do
you
also
have
to
let
the
greedy
developer.
C
C
So
we
can
look
at
that
and
as
a
community
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
what
are
we
really
one
of
our
key?
What
kind
of
goals
do
we
want
to
achieve
in
terms
of
tree
preservation
and
stormwater
management
and
and
and
other
environmental
goals?
We
can
energy
efficiency
etc?
We
can
look
at
all
of
those
things,
but
it
takes
a
big
conversation
and
we've
got
a
you
know:
roll
our
sleeves
up
and
get
to
work.
You.
A
Said
the
magic
words
tree
preservation
I,
wanted
I,
see
that
we
have
a
number
of
questions
that
are
coming
in
about
changing
the
zoning
request
requirements
the
by
right
requirements
to
preserve
trees.
Is
that
something
that
we
should
be
doing
our
last
Elizabeth
to
start
with
it
may
become
you've
been
talking
enough?
D
It's
something
we
need
to
address
fully
and
I
know
we're
looking
at
updating
the
urban
forest
master
plan.
I
think
it's
something
we
need
to
explore,
making
sure
we're
using
all
the
tool
that
we
have,
including,
if
necessary
and
viable
lobbying
at
the
state
level,
to
change
some
of
what
Arlington's
required
to
do.
D
I
also
think-
and
here
I'd
like
to
hear
what
my
colleague
Vincent
thinks
I
wonder
if
more
education
would
help
with
this
I'm,
not
sure
when
people
tear
down
their
trees,
they
realize
both
the
expense
of
losing
the
tree
and
the
benefits
that
go
with
that
and
how
long
it
takes
to
grow.
Another
mature
tree
that
will
give
you
the
ecological
benefits,
the
mental
health
benefits,
the
economic
benefits
sure.
B
E
B
A
good
good
way
of
framing
that
so
we've
actually
started
looking
at
how
we
communicate
these
values,
because
not
everybody
realizes
that
a
large
mature
tree
can
have
added
a
lot
of
value
to
their
life,
often
when
they
look
at
buying
a
lot
in
there
and
they
look
at
a
lot
of
large
trees
around
that
people
are
often
more
concerned
about.
Will
it
fall
on
my
house
or
will
it
will
it?
Is
it
in
good
health?
Should
I
get
an
arborist
to
look
at
it?
A
E
This
was
before
it
was
after
the
floods
of
last
year
before
the
even
bigger
flood
of
this
year,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
took
out
of
that
work
session
was
looking
at
increasing
performance
standards
for
development
activity
to
deal
with
to
deal
with
runoff
to
deal
with.
You
know
both
neighbor
to
neighbor
issues
which
are
increasingly
common
as
new
homes
are
built
and
also
larger
scale.
Problems
that
occur
as
the
key
will
to
footprints
of
these
homes
starts
to
start
to
add
up.
E
So
on
the
stormwater
side,
it's
those
impervious
surfaces
and
a
big
challenge
like
we
discussed.
These
lots
are
not
very
large.
The
homes
are
taking
up
a
large
part
of
the
law
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
space
left
to
absorb
absorb
that
runoff,
so
we're
working
on
it
and
I
think
we're
we're
kind
of
in
the
lead
on
that
we're
Fairfax
County,
as
I
mentioned,
is
looking
at
it
as
well,
and
we're
starting
to
compare
some
notes,
which
I
think
is
helpful.
E
Other
communities
grappling
with
similar
issues
I
think
we
learn,
learn
from
each
other.
That
way,
I'll
put
a
bre
a
brief
mention
in
on
the
energy
side.
You
know,
whereas
in
the
storm
water
side
the
feza
footprint
gets
bigger,
we
have
more
runoff
impacts,
as
the
footprint
gets,
bigger
and
houses
get
bigger.
There's
more
energy
there
to,
but
there's
there's
also
opportunities
that
are
a
little
bit
easier
to
deal
with.
E
In
the
green
home
choice
program
that
we
have,
for
example,
those
new
homes
use
42%
less
energy
than
similarly
sized
homes,
so
you
can
think
about
that.
That's
that's
a
significant
improvement
in
energy
performance
and
then
the
homes
that
are
renovated
on
a
green
home
choice
or
55
percent
more
efficient
than
the
homes
that
better
replace
so
there's
challenges
in
both
both
realms
energy
and
stormwater.
On
the
energy
side,
I
think
the
technologies
and
tools
we
have
we
can.
We
can
achieve
a
higher
level
of
mitigation.
B
Sure
so
one
thing,
that's
also
in
the
community
energy
plan
is
talking
about
carbon
storage
and
that's
also
something
the
trees
are
really
good
at
so
I
see
a
lot
of
opportunities
through
replanting
and
preservation
on
these
developments
to
keep
our
carbon
stored
and
store
our
cute
in
our
future.
Carbon
used
as
well
cold.
B
Yeah,
that's
that's!
That's
the
large
topic
out
there.
So
we've
done
a
couple
of
tree
canopy
studies
over
time.
The
most
recent
ones
were
2008
2011
and
2016,
and
a
2008
showed
about
43%
2011
showed
about
40%,
so
a
big
jump
off,
and
then
we
we
kind
of
flattened
off
with
2016
at
41%,
so
we
were
still
working
with
some
losses.
B
A
lot
of
the
losses
tend
to
be
in
the
residential
areas,
particularly
the
zoning
area,
r6,
and
that
might
not
mean
too
much
to
you,
but
that's
lots
where
you
can
develop
on
6000
square
feet
and
those
are
the
most
some
of
the
most
common
single-family
home
residential
areas.
So
we've
seen
about
10%
reduction
in
those
areas.
So
that's
mostly
it's
partially
due
to
development.
It's
partially
due
to
storms.
Some
of
these
trees
were
planted
in
the
50s
and
may
not
have
been
the
perfect
species.
B
Silver
maples
very
well
known
for
starting
to
decline
after
about
50
years.
So
they're,
it's
a
it's
a
combination
of
a
bunch
of
things.
We
add
big
gypsy
moths
program
back
in
the
90s
because
we're
our
Oaks
were
under
attack,
and
then
we
also
had
some
weird
weather
paths
or
patterns
in
the
last
10
years,
with
with
really
really
peaky
weather,
as
we
call
it
very
high
heavy
storms,
longer
periods
of
drought
that
have
exacerbated
some
of
these
problems
that
involving
our
trees.
A
B
We
already
kind
of
do
so
for
most
projects
over
2500
square
feet
of
disturbance,
which
is
large
additions
up
to
giant
office
buildings
and
redevelopments.
We
require
a
certified
arborist.
There
are
a
landscape
architect
to
prepare
their
plan
and
to
work
to
minimize
impact
as
much
as
possible.
It
does
not
mean
we
can
tell
somebody
to
reduce
the
size
of
their
home
per
se,
but
we
can
ask
to
bring
in
their
limits
of
disturbance
to
reduce
impact
to
trees
and
then
on
public
trees
of
street
trees
or
trees
along
streets.
A
C
Think,
there's
tons
of
ideas
that
we
haven't
talked
about
this
evening.
I
think
it's
I'll
answer
that
by
saying,
when
I
hear
our
professional
staff
give
the
the
technical
answers
to
some
of
these
questions
that
are
coming
in
from
from
folks
at
home.
What
it
reminds
me
of
is
that,
from
a
policy
perspective,
what
I
think
are
the
trick
that
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
create
the
right
tools
that
then
allow
the
the
private
market?
C
If
you
will,
rather
that's
an
individual
homeowner
working
with
their
architect
and
if
they
have
an
arborist
or
if
it's
a
developer,
who's
working,
you
know
who's
doing
something:
a
project
for
commercial
for
profit.
We
got
to
give
them
the
tools
to
allow
them
that
guides
them
in
the
way
of
the
benefits
and
the
kind
of
development
that
we
want,
how
we
grow
matters,
and
so
we
should
be
as
a
community
should
take
charge
of
how
we're
growing
and
I
think.
C
We've
largely
done
that,
and
so
some
of
the
ideas
that
we've
heard
from
our
staff
via
that
I
think
you
can
link
together
in
what's
known
as
biophilic
principles:
biophilic
community
biophilic,
City
movement,
Biophilia
its
love
of
nature
right.
It's
the
idea
that
we
can
really
bring
instead
of
thinking
about
a
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
actually
single-family
residential
construction.
But
we
can
also
talk
about
the
larger
scale.
Rather,
it's
missing
metal,
medium
density,
kind
of
construction
or
it's
the
the
larger
site
plan
projects
in
our
Metro
corridors.
C
D
That's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
the
idea
of
biophilic
cities
as
Eric
says.
This
is
the
idea
that
humans
have
an
innate
connection
to
nature.
There
are
things
that
we're
all
scared
of,
like
spiders
and
Heights,
for
good
reason
across
cultures
and
time
and
things
that
we
all
like,
and
people
are
happier
healthier
and
more
prosperous
when
they
have
regular
access
to
nature
so
leading
into
your
next
housing
Arlington
issue.
D
If
we
know
that-
and
we
know
that
some
of
our
communities
are
developing
without
backyards,
not
in
our
six
but
in
our
more
dense
quarters,
then
we
have
an
obligation
to
find
ways
to
provide
this
in
those
neighborhoods.
And
yes,
we
can
be
a
lot
more
creative
than
this
one
of
the
one
of
the
ideas
I
wanted
to
raise
tonight.
If
it
seemed
appropriate,
was
this
idea
of
moving
beyond
the
fixed
pie?
I
think
that
when
we
do
look
at
either
built
environment
or
natural
environment,
we
are
always
going
to
run
short.
D
We
can't
really
expand
Arlington,
but
we
can
be
a
lot
more.
Creative
one
example
I
want
to
share
is
the
opening
of
the
recent
height
school.
The
old
Wilson
school
building,
where
the
developer
created
five
rooftop
terraces,
that
the
students
can
use
they're,
not
fully
vegetated,
but
there's
a
lot
of
native
planting
out
there.
So
it's
a
way
to
create
open
space
in
a
way
that
we
didn't
have
enough.
We
couldn't
have
done
it
on
the
ground.
D
Another
example-
and
this
is
a
two
story-
it's
a
true
Tower
residential
development
in
Milan-
bear
with
me
here
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
digression,
but
this
is
one
end
of
the
spectrum
to
two
different
towers.
150
feet,
one
350
feet,
but
they
have
thousands
of
plants
on
them.
Think
800,
trees,
15,000,
smaller
shrubs.
If
they
were
to
build
this
on
the
ground,
they
would
have
a
20,000
square
metre
forest.
It's
called
the
bosco
vertical
it's
in
Milan
and
it's
got
its
own
climate.
It
reduces
heating
and
cooling
costs,
it
sequester's
carbon
dioxide.
D
D
Yes,
certainly
if
developers
knew
that's
what
we
wanted,
I
think
we
could
see
that
and
there's
examples
of
green
walls
in
the
airport
in
Oslo
on
the
exterior
of
buildings
in
Paris.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
do
this.
We've
ducked
over
part
of
the
freeway
before
we
could
do
that
again
create
space,
so
I
do
think.
We
need
to
be
looking
a
lot
more
creatively
and
letting
our
development
community
know
that.
D
A
C
I'll
take
that
one.
This
is
exactly
what
we're
looking
at.
This
is
part
of
at
the
top
of
the
hour
Richard,
when
you
are
listed
off
all
the
things
that
are
happening
under
housing,
Arlington
initiative,
the
Umbrella
one
of
those
is
looking
at
land
use
tools
and
financing
tools.
So
we
expect
we
have
a
missing
middle
study
that
is
just
kicking
off
and
we
expect
coming
over
the
next
year
that
we
will
be
having
this
conversation
as
a
community
and
I.
C
Think
that,
in
the
context
of
tonight,
where
we,
where
we
talk
about,
how
does
housing
intersect
with
our
desire
to
protect
the
environment,
to
make
sure
that
we're
a
resilient
city
I
think
that
we
would
be
looking
at?
How
can
we
do
those
kinds
of
different
housing
types,
but
also
do
them
in
a
way
that
is
more
cohesive
with
environmental
sustainability.
C
So
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
our
staff
and
our
friends
that
are
that
are
with
a
concern
with
stormwater
and
charged
with
making
sure
that
we
are
compliance
with
our
Chesapeake
Bay
preservation,
ordinance
and
we'll
be
dealing
with
the
urban
forester
and
his
staff
here.
To
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
preserve
and
and
preserving
trees
is
great,
but
we
also
got
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
planting
more
trees.
C
We
want
to
see
tree
canopy
grow
over
time,
just
maintaining
what
we
have
absolutely
should
be
a
priority,
but
it's
not
the
the
only
thing
that
we
should
do
so.
I
would
say
to
that.
Are
the
viewers
or
listeners
I
guess
they're
their
boat?
Well,
he
texted
right
or
she
texted.
So,
however,
you're
watching
this
I
would
say,
stay
tuned
and
be
engaged
be
involved.
Hopefully
we
can
put
a
link
up
on
the
screen
that
shows
how
people
can
follow
that
missing
middle
study
and
participate
in
that,
because
I
think
we're
gonna
get
there.
Jason.
A
E
Know
that
that's
a
good
question,
I
guess
it
depends
what
one
way
we
look
at
is
in
in
the
urban
corridors
or
our
density
is
tends
to
be
vertical.
So
we
do
see
we
tend
to
see
if
there
are
parking
lots
or
you
know,
one
story,
two
story:
buildings
they're
replaced
with
a
high-rise,
whether
it's
commercial,
multi-family,
residential,
so
the
urban
corridors.
We
don't
tend
to
see
a
lot
of
impervious
surface
increase.
E
Overall,
we
just
see
more
densities
and
then
the
residential
side,
like
we
discussed
and
that's
about
I-
think
at
least
whether
land-use
plan,
it's
about
44,
50
percent
of
our
our
our
zoning,
and
that's
where
you
tend
to
see
not
so
much
vertical
as
much
as
the
horizontal
expansion
of
the
surfaces.
I,
hope
that
answers
the
question.
Well,
Jason
I
think
it's
it.
C
Could
get
a
little
walk
here
if
you
don't
mind
just
a
little
bit,
because
I
actually
think
is
important.
So
when,
when
we
have
new
development,
though,
could
you
characterize
because
it's
been
my
understanding
so
if
I
got
this
wrong,
I
want
you
to
set
me
straight
that
when,
when
we
have
new
development
very
often
when
you
see
that
when
you've
had
that
parking
lot
that
was
developed
under
standards,
you
know
50
years
ago,
where
there
basically
were
no
standards.
C
All
the
water
can
just
run
straight
off
of
that
parking
lot
into
the
storm
drain
and
then
on
downhill
wherever
that
downhill
may
be.
Whereas
now,
then,
when
we
have
a
project
that
comes
through
and
that
has
approved,
there's
some
amount
of
requirement
for
retaining
the
water
on
site
for
treating
it
before
it's
released
right.
Can
you
maybe
elaborate
just
a
little
bit
on
that?
What
what
qualitatively,
without
getting
too
into
the
weeds
qualitative,
with
a
difference
between
new
development,
more
recent
developments
and
that
old,
existing
parking.
E
Lot
sure
now
I
think
that
I
think
it's
good
to
get
in
the
weeds
just
a
little
bit,
but
but
not
too
far
so
Virginia,
where
Dillon
rule
state
I
think
we
have
been
up
on
the
slide
earlier.
I.
Don't
have
to
explain
that
thankfully,
so
the
state
gives
us
our
rules,
regulations,
we
have
a
stormwater
ordinance
at
the
state
provided
to
us
and
the
state
focus
is
on.
E
We
tend
to
emphasize
those
that
help
with
volume,
so
things
like
rain,
gardens
or
pervious,
paving
that
those
sorts
of
tools
so
we're
seeing
on
average
that
these
sites
might
be
retaining
one
inch
or
so
of
the
incremental
runoff.
So
when
you
think
about
that
for
a
second,
if
there's
an
impervious
surface
increase
you're
mitigating
some
of
the
increase
in
runoff,
but
when
there's
bigger
storms,
you're,
not
you're,
your
capacity
is
finite.
E
If
you
have
a
site
that
didn't
increase
the
impervious
surfaces,
that's
a
little
bit
different,
then
you're,
seeing
that
site
performing
a
little
better
than
what
was
there
before.
So
again,
it
kind
of
depends
on
where
you're
talking
about
so
those
runoff
increases
are
obviously
happening.
More.
The
places
where
impervious
surfaces
are
increasing
more
I
hope
that
at
least
at
this
level,
not
so
much
down.
There
answers
a
question
there.
B
Are
examples
such
as
a
one
project
on
Columbia
Pike
with
Ghalib
and
Columbia
Pike,
that
used
to
be
a
big
parking
lot
and
a
dealership
over
there
and
that
got
turned
into
a
kind
of
a
mixed
mixed
use
development
and
that
has
a
lot
more
trees
on
it.
Now
than
the
there
were
parking
when
it
was
just
a
big
parking
right,
there
was
one
tree
taken
out:
there's
probably
50
trees.
There
now.
A
To
shift
gears
here
and
ask
all
of
you
meeting
both
housing
and
environmental
needs
is
going
to
require
a
delicate
balance.
Eric.
You
mentioned
the
missing
middle
study
that
we'll
get
into.
We
have
an
ongoing
study,
housing,
Conservation,
District,
so
development
in
areas
that
we
haven't
contemplated
development
before
new
types
of
development,
this
balance
between
environmental
goals
and
housing
goals.
Where
do
you
see,
you
know
what
what
do
you
think
our
ballast
community
would
look
like
you
know?
How
do
we
get
there?
Well.
C
I
can
better
speak
I.
Think
at
this
point
to
how
do
we
get
there,
because
I
think
what
it's
going
to
look
like
is
really
gonna
require
an
ongoing
community
conversation
and
it's
not
what
I
think
or
Elizabeth
or
anybody
else
happens
to
think
it's
what
we
collectively
through
thoughtful
analysis.
Looking
at
what
other
cities.
C
We
all
enjoy
I
think
a
very
great
quality
of
life
because
of
that
and
along
the
way,
we've
also
we've
kept
the
single-family
neighborhoods,
largely
as
they
were,
but
I
think
we're
at
a
point
now,
where
we're
recognizing
that,
because
of
affordability
of
housing,
when
I
think
about
well
my
daughter's
be
able
to
make
Arlington
their
home
or
well
my
wife
and
I.
Will
we
be
able
to
have
what
we
have
options
to
downsize
in
the
community
and
be
able
to
live?
That's
why
it's
so
important
that
we
are
looking
at
what?
C
Necessarily
in
the
middle
of
single-family
neighborhoods,
so
we
can
come
up
with
ways
where
we
can.
Where
we
can
balance
environmental
needs,
we
can
balance.
Affordability
is
we
can
balance?
Small
business
needs
all
of
those
things
that
that
are
important
to
us
and
it's
going
to
be
the
conversation.
That's
going
to
get
us
there.
D
Think
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
this
this
is
going
to
vary
from
neighborhood
to
neighborhood,
so
what
we
will
be
looking
at,
what's
right
for
Arlington,
what's
right,
along
Columbia
Pike
might
be
different
from
what's
right
down
in
national
landing.
On
the
plus
side,
we
do
have
really
wonderful
engaged
professional
staff.
Who
can
make
this
happen?
We
have
a
lot
of
developers
who
really
want
to
see
the
county
continue
to
be
as
successful
as
it
has
been.
A
A
B
If
in
ramp
right
now,
so
we're
working
on
trying
to
get
something
a
little
bit
catchier
than
that,
but
I'm
really
excited
about
this.
The
the
urban
forest
master
plan
hasn't
been
updated
since
2004,
but
the
original
more
urban
forest
master
plan
was
really
well
written.
I
wasn't
here,
it
wasn't
me
and
it
was
really
well
written
a
lot
of
it
was
implemented.
Them
are
very
excited
about
having
a
conversation
on
this
I.
Imagine
because
we've
had
so
much
more
research
since
then
that
we
will
have
a
lot
of
more
complex
conversations.
B
A
lot
of
people
were
more
excited
back
in
the
day.
People
were
more
excited
about
the
aesthetics
of
forestry
and
that's
still
what
drives
a
lot
of
this.
We
want
these
beautiful
neighborhoods
with
mature
trees
and
a
healthy
environment,
but
people
are
becoming
much
more
conscious
of
the
environmental
value
of
stormwater
pollution
reduction
and
then
also
the
mental
and
physical
health
benefits
of
of
trees.
We're
gonna
have
to
talk
about
how
maybe
I'll
be
at
a
talk
called
trees
and
housing.
Maybe
sometime.
B
E
Balanced
balance:
well,
you
know
we're
in
the
office
thinking
about
these
big
challenges.
You
know
we
we
talk
about
well,
what
what
will
the
the
people
sitting
in
our
chairs
a
generation
or
two
from
now
which
wish
we
had
done
and
if
I
had
a
time
machine
I,
don't
know
that
I'd
wasted
on
this,
but
I
am
I,
am
committed
to
stormwater
so
I,
might
you
know
you
go
back
in
time
right
on
World,
War,
two
and
you'd
say
hey.
We
know
there's
a
boom
here,
but
let's,
let's
look
at.
E
Let's
look
at
the
environment,
let's
look
at
our
our
stream
network
and
where
the
streams
are
today
and
we'd
like
to
keep
those
streams,
because
that's
where
you
know
soaring
water
wants
to
go,
let's
not
build
over
those
streams,
let's
not
put
them
in
pipes.
So
you
know
we
talked
about
that
and
the
time
machine
would
help
with
that.
We
don't
have
the
time
machine.
We
have
what
we
have
today,
so
balance
I
mean
looking
ahead.
E
I
think
that
there's
some
opportunities
we
look
at
our
our
communities,
stormwater
challenges
and
whether
its
water
quality,
whether
its
stream
erosion,
whether
it's
extreme
flooding
there
are
some
opportunities
to
kind
of
wrap
in
some
of
the
bio
philic
thinking.
Can
we
can
we
return
some
of
these
areas
where
streams
used
to
be
back
to
streams,
and
this
is
this
is
Longview.
This
isn't
something
that
would
happen
tomorrow,
but
we're
talking
kind
of
longer-term.
Could
we
do
that,
and
you
know,
with
development,
then
kind
of
be
concentrated
away
from
those
areas.
A
little
bit.
E
We'd
have
natural
areas
back
more
more
open
space,
green
space
trees.
So
we
think
about
those
things
and
clearly
involves
all
these
cross
connections.
With
the
other
planning
initiatives
in
the
county
policy,
you
know
decisions
as
well,
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
a
balance,
it's
more
of
a
look
ahead
to
what
mean
what
maybe
could
be
in
the
future
and
how
housing
kind
of
fits
into
that
housing
in
the
environment
respective.
A
A
To
ask
both
you
Vincent
and
Jason
about
things
that
we're
currently
doing
that.
Maybe
people
don't
know
about
I,
don't
need
to
know
more
about
just
to
a
minute-long
plug
for
things
that
you
guys
know
about,
but
before
you
do
that
I
just
wanted
to
catch.
This
comment
someone
has
sent
in
the
comment
says:
I
heard
this
panel
say
what
works
in
one
area
may
not
working
enough
in
another.
These
solutions
will
need
to
be
context,
sensitive
and
I.
Think
that's
a
great
point.
It's
a
great
point.
B
A
B
B
It's
a
developer,
funded
fund
that
will
allow
a
landscape
company
to
plant
a
tree
on
your
property
or,
if
you're,
in
a
condo
or
apartment
building,
talk
to
your
board
to
talk
to
folks
that
manage
the
building.
You
can
get
a
tree
planted
on
those
properties
most
of
the
time,
so
you
can
get.
You
can
apply
every
year.
So
far,
the
last
few
years
we've
had
two
application
periods,
because
there's
been
enough
funding
because
of
a
lot
of
these
site
plans
that
have
come
through
that
have
funded
this.
This
tree
canopy
fund
go
through
that.
B
We
also
have
a
tree
distribution
or
a
tree
giveaway,
where
we
give
trees
at
our
nursery,
which
also
has
a
native
plant
nursery
where
we
propagate
local,
ecotype
or
seed.
That's
been
collected
locally
and
we
propagate
the
plants
that
grow
in
Arlington
because
believe
it
or
not.
This
is
a
fairly
urban
area,
but
we
have
some
really
cool,
unique
ecosystems.
Here
we
it's
a
major
of
migratory
flyways,
so
there's
a
lot
of
birds
coming
through
here,
sometimes
dropping
off
some
seed
here
and
there.
Those
are
not
the
seeds
we
collect,
but.
A
B
Have
a
very
diverse
ecosystem
with
north
and
south,
coming
together,
anyway,
I'm
getting
off
track
here,
but
along
with
the
urban
forest
master
plan,
which
is
in
the
future,
we
already
have
a
lot
of
programs
in
place
and
we
do
planning
planting
of
trees
and
public
parks,
maintenance
of
our
own
trees.
And
then
we
have
a
big
Rhea.
We've
had
a
big
outreach
push
recently
with
the
video
I
mentioned,
but
also
just
online
presence,
Jason.
E
Sure,
well,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
wheat.
You
know
we
have
a
program
that
regulates
development
activity
for
stormwater
and
also
trees
as
well,
and
we
also
have
a
program
and
talk
about
it
much
tonight
that
helps
in
our
stream
valleys,
where
we
have
what
we
call
the
buffer
areas,
the
resource
protection
area,
which
is
generally
within
a
hundred
feet
of
a
stream.
We
have
additional
protections
for
for
trees,
in
particular,
but
trees
and
vegetation
in
those
areas
as
well.
E
So
there's
a
whole
area
that
you
know
I
think
the
county
has
been
active
and
leading
in
both
you
know
locally
and
beyond
in
terms
of
on
the
regulatory
side,
which
is
not
the
only
part
of
the
solution,
of
course,
but
that's
at
least
dealing
with
development
activity,
large
renovations,
those
areas
on
the
sort
of
existing
property
side.
We
have.
We
have
a
suite
of
programs
as
well
I
think
some
folks
are
familiar
with
the
stormwater
wise
program,
which
is
a
an
incentive
program.
E
We
provide
some
subsidies
for
things
like
rain
gardens
and
pervious
driveways
and
native
landscaping
to
help
folks
reduce
some
of
their
impacts
on
their
own
properties,
and
we
have
a
broader
suite
of
technical
assistance
and
outreach
tools.
We'll
do
site
visits
just
to
talk
to
people
and
we
recently
just
as
a
related
topic.
We
recently
just
held
two
forums
on
on
flood
proofing:
flood
resiliency
for
property
owners
as
part
of
sort
of
a
partnership.
You
know
thinking
where
we
also
it
on
the
county
side
are
looking
at.
E
How
do
we
deal
with
the
more
systemic
issues
of
flooding?
You
know,
that'll
be
talked
about
through
the
capital
program.
That'll
be
talked
about
and
approved
by
the
board.
You
know
next
year,
so
it's
a
it's
a
range
of
programs,
both
regulatory
policy,
financial
and
then
technical
assistance
as
well.
Both.
E
A
B
That's
a
good
question
so
when
we
have
a
tree
planting
program
and
we've
been
planting
hundreds
of
trees
in
the
last
decades,
honestly
and
more
recently,
we
started
watering
trees
and
since
2014
I
believe,
don't
quote
me
on
that.
But
we've
been
watering
trees
for
two
years
after
we
plant
them.
So
you'll
see
these
bags
on
them.
Some
of
them
say
complaint
with
us.
Some
of
them
are
just
blank
bags,
but
they're
usually
used
for
watering
trees.
They
need
a
slow
infiltration
of
water
and,
after
that,
if
trees
are
still
struggling,
that
might
make
it.
B
We
might
add
a
little
extra
year
to
that
trees,
care
and
then
hopefully,
they're
established,
and
if
they
are,
if
they're
not
established,
it
might
have
been
the
wrong
species.
But
after
that,
among
much
farther
into
the
future.
The
larger
trees
get
maintained
by
our
tree
crew
and
some
of
the
contracts
that
we
have,
and
these
are
just
public
trees
that
we
maintain.
B
D
D
C
We've
learned
with
ApS
I
learned
some
lessons:
was
it
Abington
or
where
was
yeah?
There
was
a
lot
of
trees
that
didn't
make
it,
and
so
they
now,
as
I
understand
it,
require
part
of
their
contract
for
him.
The
contractor
who
installs
the
trees,
has
to
warranty
the
trees
for
two
years
and
include
in
their
contract
taking
care
of
the
trees.
The
same
two
years
I
have
a
follow-up
question
of
offensive,
which
is
a
summer
like
we
had
the
in
half
of
this
summer.
That
was
very,
very
dry.
C
B
Don't
currently
have
the
resources
to
go
much
farther
beyond
that,
but
we
did
try
to
work
within
our
within
our
division
to
put
some
extra
watering
tanks
on
some
trucks
and
go
out
there
and
what
are
some
of
our
landscapes
and
our
trees.
But
we've
got
a
hundred
thousand
trees
in
our
parks
and
19
thousand
street
trees.
So
with
there
there
are
limitations
to
what
we
can
do.
B
But
what
we
did
do
is
reach
out
to
our
community
through
various
sources
and
give
them
a
lot
of
information
on
how
they
can
get
their
own
trees
to
survive.
And
sometimes
you
watered
this
tree
over
here
and
it
helps
this
tree
so
right
that
might
help
in
this
situation.
But
yeah
we've,
like
I,
said
the
weather
has
been
crazy
and
these
these
shifted
route
patterns
or
are
not
necessarily
helping.
It
might
create
less
stormwater
in
that
period,
but
it
probably
doesn't
help
overall.
A
D
C
A
C
Given
me
an
open,
yeah,
yeah,
I'm,
actually
I,
think
I
will
just
conclude
by
what
I
heard
tonight,
which
is
sort
of
this
melding
of
highly
technical
issues.
But
fundamentally
it's.
What
are
our
values
right?
I
think
that
it
is
a
community
value
that
we
want
to
be
a
green
and
healthy
community.
We
want
to
have
trees,
we
understand
most
I,
think
our
community
members,
even
if
they
don't
have
the
chance
to
get
into
a
wonky
conversation
with
a
wonderfully
educated
and
and
great
guy
like
Vincent
or
Jason.
C
They
understand
that
that
we
want
to
be
in
a
community
that
that
shares
these
values
and
that
takes
care
of
the
environment,
because
we
know
it
has
payback
for
us
and
I
think
that,
where
these
opportunity,
the
intersection
between
those
values
and
our
value
of
having
inclusive,
neighborhoods
walkable
communities,
access
to
transit,
the
good
news
story
is
yes,
these
are
challenges
we
have.
We
have
a
huge
challenge
in
front
of
us
managing
stormwater,
no
question
about
it.
C
We
didn't
we
don't
have
the
time
machine
and
we
can't
go
back
and
suddenly,
you
know
warn
those
folks.
Now,
don't
put
all
those
streams
underground
make
sure
you
have
you
save
some
space
for
stormwater
retention,
because
you
know
50
60
75
years
from
now
we're
gonna
have
this
thing
called
climate
change
and
we're
gonna.
Have
these?
You
know
peaky
weather
a
new
term
I
learned
tonight:
we're
gonna
have
we're
gonna.
C
Have
you
know
a
problem
that
we're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
and
we're
gonna
need
the
right
infrastructure,
and
we
can't
you
know
it
is.
It
is
hard
when
we're
seeing
the
kind
of
redevelopment
that
we're
seeing
in
our
single-family
neighborhoods
where
work
we're
seeing
trees
and
everyone
that
lives
in
these
neighborhoods.
You
know
feels
it
and
feels
the
pain
when
you
see
these
trees
just
being
mowed
down
for
new
development,
and
we
have
issues
with
you
know
what
can
we
do
with
by
right
development?
A
That's
a
great
summation,
so
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
tuning
in
and
participating
with
us
tonight.
Once
again,
we
will
have
a
summary
of
all
the
comments
that
we
receive
we'll
have
that
available
on
our
housing
Arlington
web
page,
please
check
with
us
in
to
two
weeks
on
November
the
12th.
That's
two
weeks
from
tomorrow,
we'll
have
our
third
conversation
on
the
topic
of
Housing
and
equity
so
tune
in
at
that
time,
that'll
be
6:30
p.m.
which
is
same
time
same
bat
station.
Thank
you
and
good
night.