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00:00 - Introduction
16:34 - Presentation
1:00:03 - Discussion
A
All
right,
everybody
take
a
seat,
we'll
get
started
this
evening,
introduce
myself
I'm
steve,
covert
director
of
committee
planning,
housing
and
development
for
burlington
county.
We've
got
a
really
interesting
program
for
you
tonight,
and
so
I'd
like
to
like.
We
have
a
couple
of
our
members
from
our
planning
commission
bit
of
nancy
young
committee
and
eric
mcshaw,
who
raise
your
hands.
Okay,.
B
B
It's
really
sort
of
was
originally
thought
of
for
our
site
plan
review
committee
members,
and
then
we
thought
you
know
we
need
to
open
it
up
more
to
the
civic
associations,
because
at
our
sprc
table
we
not
only
have
planning
commission
and
representatives
from
other
commissions
as
well
as
county
staff,
but
we
have
neighborhood
people
as
different
projects
arise
in
different
neighborhoods.
We
have
representatives
at
the
table,
so
the
sprc
was
formed
in
the
early
1970s
at
the
request
of
the
county
board.
B
D
B
Other
boards
and
commissions
and
community
groups,
as
well
as
a
specific
neighborhood
representatives,
we're
very
lucky
on
sbrc
and
planning
commission
in
general
that
we
get
to
work
with
a
very
talented
and
dedicated
staff
here
in
arlington.
We
have
folks
from
planning-
and
we
have
some
of
our
planning
staff
with
us
this
evening
as
well.
B
In
addition,
sprc
members
are
expected
to
be
familiar
with
arlington
county's
general
manager's
plan
sector
plans.
The
zoning
ordinance
design
guidelines,
site
plan
exception
administrative
process,
which
is
commonly
known
as
the
4.1
process,
as
well
as
numerous
technical
standards
related
to
street
design,
landscape
design
and
building
and
fire
codes.
B
F
G
F
B
B
B
G
I
I
I
This
is
the
first
session
of
what
we
hope
will
be
a
series
of
discussions
about
the
development
process
and
tonight
is
a
two-part
primary
part.
One
is
dedicated
to
highlighting
the
principles
of
urban
design
and
public
space
design,
along
with
contemporary
best
practices
and
trends.
This
will
be
followed
by
a
discussion
where
you'll
get
to
ask
questions
and
make
your
own
comments
about
design.
I
Part
two
is
an
overview
of
how
we
apply
these
principles
of
good
urbanism
within
the
context
of
the
county
plans
and
policies
that
we
filter
these.
These
basic
concepts
through
those
plans
which
have
been
very
well
thought
out
and
very
deliberate
within
the
community,
and
we'll
also
close
with
some
some
local
projects
that
we
feel
like
have
really
taken
and
are
good
examples
of
what
we
talk
about
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
good
urban
design.
I
So
tonight's
discussion
is
being
taped
and
will
soon
be
available
on
our
planning
web
page,
and
we
also
are
creating
a
resource
library.
So
as
we
build
this
body
of
knowledge,
whether
it
be
a
good
reading
list
or
other
examples,
we
want
to
have
and
make
that
accessible
because
as
new
commissioners
or
people
getting
involved
in
the
community
who
feel
that
they
have
an
opportunity
to
learn
about
how
to
conduct
the
meetings
and
how
to
understand
about
design,
architecture
could
be
very
making
a
lot
more
comfortable.
I
So
who
are
we?
The
urban
design
and
research
section
was
created
in
2013,
and
our
purpose
was
to
engage
and
educate
the
community
on
design
and
serve
as
a
resource
to
the
development
review
staff
which
we'll
talk
about
that
a
lot
tonight.
We
also
work
with
consultants,
developers,
county
leadership
and
provide
the
technical
expertise
to
ensure
the
highest
quality.
Development
is
achieved
in
our
evolving
urban
environment.
I
The
urban
design
section
also
serves
as
a
technical
design
and
data
center
for
interdepartmental
and
inter-divisional
teams,
and
it's
a
very
highly
competitive,
integrated
approach.
We
facilitate
community
engagement.
We've
had
this
speaker
series
in
the
past.
We
host
the
design
arlington
awards
every
two
years
and
we
really
want
to
bring
this
conversation
and
design
and
good
quality
development
to
the
community.
I
I
I
I've
been
involved
for
25
years
I've
heard
of
design
and
planning.
I
was
formerly
the
planning
director
in
kannapolis
and
davidson
north
carolina
before
moving
to
arlington,
where
I
lived
in
cherrydale
with
my
wife
and
two
daughters,
I
earned
a
degree
in
architecture
from
the
university
of
california
berkeley
in
1994..
I
I
We
also
have
with
us
kara
smith,
character.
Japan
kara
has
just
recently
earned
her
a
license
as
a
landscape,
architect
and
she's.
A
murder
designer
she's,
been
with
the
county
since
june,
and
her
role
at
the
county
include
landscape
plan
review.
So
post
post
approval
cara
is
very
involved
in
reviewing
those
highly
technical
plans
and
making
sure
that
the
actual
construction
documents
are
consistent
with
what
the
board
approved
in
the
entitlements
of
immigrants.
I
Brent
wallace
to
my
left
is
a
landscape,
architect
and
urban
designer
he's
responsible
for
design
review
and
implementing
a
wide
variety
of
placement
projects,
ranging
from
pop-up
spaces
to
parks,
plazas
and
streetscapes.
Before
joining
the
county,
he
worked
as
a
designer
in
new
york
city
in
both
the
public
and
private
sectors.
Brett
holds
a
degree
in
landscape
architecture
from
colorado,
state
university
and
a
degree
in
landscape,
turf
management
from
virginia
tech,
he's
a
registered
landscape
architect
in
new
york,
his
lead
and
has
an
isa
certified
artist.
I
I
I
He
has
been
along
with
more
than
40
design,
shreds
throughout
the
united
states
and
abroad,
and
also
has
taught
architectural
design
at
the
university
of
miami
he's
a
new
england
navy
and
has
taught
architectural.
I'm
sorry
he's
particularly
interested
in
vernacular
architecture
and
settlement
patterns
of
the
region,
and
actually
she
showed
some
signs
that
I
think
validates
his
understanding
of
that
justin
received
his
va
in
architecture
from
lehigh
university
and
two
masters
degree
from
the
university
of
miami
and
architecture
and
urban
design.
So
what
are
we
up
to
for
urban
design
section?
I
These
are,
I
believe,
these
are
your
drawings.
She
worked
on
and
developed
those
and
then
now
this
is
a
project
that
justin
worked
with
our
neighborhood
services
department
and
we
had
the
folks
from
folks
from
knock
one
expert
opportunities
for
what
they
could
do
with
their
their
property
and
you're.
I
A
more
recent
effort
that
kara
has
been
working
on
is
the
marksman,
so
this
marks
being
marked
great,
affordable,
and
this
is
in
westover
and
identifying
that
and
mapping
that
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
that
what
we
do
is
we
want
to
work
with
a
lot
of
different
departments
and
two.
We
provide
that
that
graphic
and
technical
support
that
normally
you
have
to
go
outside
of
the
county
to
a
consultant
and
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
it.
I
We
have
our
own
in-house
studios
and
finally,
those
of
us
for
many
years
been
working
to
produce
a
vast
collection
of
tracking
data
and
then
putting
that
into
very
legible
and
informative
reports
that
real
estate
industry
uses
and
a
lot
of
people
who
are
very
interested
in
the
development
of
arlington.
This
is
their
go
to
many
of
these
are
their
go
to
resources
for
the
facts,
so
now
that
you
know
who
we
are,
let
me
take
just
a
second
to
describe
our
goals
for
this
part,
one
we
want
to
have.
I
I
I
I
see
our
planning
commission
as
an
ally.
It's
an
ally
of
a
state
because
the
community
is
is
a
reflection
of
where
we
want
to
go.
It's
also
an
important
reflection
of
where
we've
been
and
that
partnership.
That
collaboration
is
what
makes
great
cities.
It's
the
strong
leadership
that
we
have,
the
talented
staff
and
a
very
engaged
community,
and
if
we're
all
working
in
the
same
direction,
we
can
do
amazing
things.
I
So
one
of
the
goals
of
this
is
to
really
reinforce
the
notion
that
this
is
a
collaboration,
and
I
think,
once
you
start
doing
that,
what
you
do
is
you
start
to
create
great
spaces?
So
hopefully
we
come
away
with
some
strong
fundamentals.
We
build
your
appetite
for
better
design
solutions
and
provide
you,
our
citizen
leaders
with
the
tools.
I
D
About
urban
design
tonight
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
sort
of
have
a
common
understanding
of
what
is
meant
by
the
word
to
begin
with,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
when
they
think
of
the
word
urban,
they
think
of
a
picture
like
this.
You
know
this
great
collaboration
of
development,
a
lot
of
activity.
D
You
know
very
dense,
very
tall
buildings,
but
that's
this
is
indeed
an
urban
place,
but
there's
other
places
that
are
also
urban,
so
this,
for
example,
just
this
tiny
village
in
the
countryside,
a
few
houses
together.
That
is
also
something
that
is
proven.
You
know
it's
a
group
of
houses
that
have
been
intentionally
arranged
together.
They
they
all
face
one
another.
They
create
spaces.
D
D
You
know
very
close
to
here,
and
I
happen
to
think
that
this
forecourt
here
in
front
of
the
house
is
actually
incredibly
urban
presents
a
you
know
very
rather
stoic
front,
there's
an
arrangement
of
several
buildings
that
create
a
space
in
the
front
of
the
house
and
there's
a
roadway
that
sort
of
intentionally
comes.
It
goes
around
that
front
space
there,
so
there's
there's
more
to
urbanism
than
just
very
dense
large
cities,
but
then
there's
there's
lots
of
things
just
because
there's
development
there's
also
things
that
aren't
urban.
D
So
you
know
strip
malls
and
suburban
houses
often
are
very
urban
involved,
they're,
not
very
social.
There's
the
you
know
the
strip
mall
here
it's
actually
set
very
far
back
from
the
street.
There's
a
lot
of
asphalt
there.
The
house
is
there
in
the
bottom
right
hand
corner.
You
know
they
rather
than
presenting
to
their
front
doors
to
the
street
and
porches
and
windows.
It's
all
you
see
is
garages,
so
there's
there's
actually
in
a
way,
it's
actually
very
anti-social.
D
D
D
Most
importantly,
I
think
is
it's
it's
about
the
placement
of
buildings
to
us
to
shape
meaningful
spaces
and
there's
the
important
part
also
is
that
the
space
between
the
buildings
is
also
important.
So
what
is
the
design
of
hardscapes
and
landscapes
and
streetscapes,
and
then
certainly
considerations
about
what
the
implications
are
for
how
we
were
laying
things
out?
What
are
the
economic,
social,
cultural
implications
of
those.
D
D
D
J
D
Just
talking
a
little
bit
about
also
how
how
cities
are
put
together,
there's
fabric
buildings
and
there's
object,
buildings
in
cities
and
you
you
can't
have
a
city
made
up
exclusively
of
fat
of
object,
buildings
or
sort
of
special
civic
buildings.
Just
like
you
can't
have
a
city,
that's
made
up
of
only
fabric
buildings
or
background
buildings
or
private
buildings.
It's
really
a
combination
of
the
two
together
that
really
make
a
city,
that's
sort
of
exemplified
even
by
washington
dc,
there's
the
mcmillan
plan
and
you
can
see
sort
of
the
pink
blocks.
D
Those
are
sort
of
the
fabric
blocks
of
the
city.
That's
the
the
privately
owned
parcels,
the
the
place
where
sort
of
people
live
where
people
work,
but
you
can
see
identified
in
those
plans,
are
special
places
for
the
civic
buildings,
the
ones
that
are
sort
of
in
black,
in
particular.
Some
of
the
monuments
that
are
in
red
and
the
plan
for
chicago
from
1909
also
takes
a
similar
approach
to
that.
D
D
One
key
thing
about
urban
environments
is
they
they
tend
to
have
enclosure,
that's
sort
of
a
very
important
feature
of
urbanism,
the
idea
of
having
outdoor
sort
of
outdoor
rooms.
If
you
will-
and
there
are
spaces
that
people
naturally
feel
comfortable
in
there
are
certain
proportions
of
streets
as
well.
That
tend
to
have
a
good
feeling
to
them.
D
Upper
middle
there
is
sort
of
a
portion
of
about
a
one
to
one.
So
the
side
of
the
building
is
about
equal
to
the
the
width
of
the
space
between
the
two
buildings.
So
that's
something
that
you
might
see,
for
example,
in
a
typical
parisian
street.
It's
a
very
comfortable
proportion
of
street
to
have
the
left
side
is
a
very
tight
street,
so
you
might
see
that
in
more
medieval
city
like
in
italy
or
in
france,
and
the
right
side
is
about
a
one
to
two
ratio.
C
D
The
idea
that,
while
the
buildings
themselves
are
important
and
what
they
look
like
is
important,
it's
really
the
space
that
those
buildings
are
making.
That's
really
the
the
key
factor
in
urban
design,
and
it's
not
always
buildings
that
have
to
make
those
spaces
on
the
bottom.
You
can
see-
that's
maybe
more
of
a
residential
neighborhood,
but
really
what
makes
that
street
space
is
the
street
trees
along
the
edges
of
it
or
in
a
build.
D
So
those
are
those
are
the
places
that
people
like
to
be.
They
like
to
be
in
those
those
sort
of
more
enclosed
environments,
and
it
really
doesn't
matter,
there's
certain
fundamental
things
that
the
architecture
has
to
do,
but
really
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
style
of
the
architecture
is.
It
could
be
very
modern.
D
They
could
be
very
traditional,
but
as
long
as
you
have
that
enclosure
and
there's
certain
basic
things
that
are
happening
in
those
buildings,
you're
going
to
get
happy
pedestrians,
it's
not
only
about
the
the
size
of
the
street,
but
it's
also
about
what's
happening
at
the
end.
So
ideally,
you
like
to
have
terminated
vistas
as
we
call
them.
So
this
is
an
example
from
charleston
south
carolina.
D
This
is
one
that
was
actually
done
very
intentionally.
The
the
church
there,
st
phillips
church,
actually
pulls
forward
and
sort
of
interrupts
the
street
on
the
street
sort
of
wiggles
around
it
and
so
from
both
sides
of
it.
You
actually
get
this.
This
terminated
view
on
the
steeple
of
the
church,
so
it
sort
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
place.
It
gives
you
a
sense
of
enclosure
and
it
can
be
done
in
a
more
subtle
way,
as
well
as
an
example
from
copenhagen.
D
D
Thinking
about
building
frontage,
as
I
mentioned
about
you,
know,
there's
certain
fundamental
things
that
it's
important
for
buildings
to
do
in
a
retail
frontage.
You
want
to
make
sure
you
have
things
like
transparency.
You
want
to
be
able
to
have
some
kind
of
interaction
between
pedestrians,
on
the
sidewalk
and
what's
going
on
inside
the
restaurants
or
shops,
you
want
to
have
frequent
doors,
that's
also
important,
so
even
an
environment
where
you
have
a
lot
of
glass.
D
If
there
aren't
entrances
in
and
out
of
the
establishments,
then
there's
a
certain
vitality,
that's
lost
and
then
there's
other
things
that
go
along
with
the
streetscape.
That
kind
of
help
to
embellish
it.
Things
like
awnings
and
signage,
it
kind
of
adds
to
the
liveliness
and
again
the
architecture
doesn't
really
matter.
You
can
have
really
successful
urban
places
in
a
variety
of
architectural
styles.
Here's
a
more
traditional
example,
but
it
sort
of
adheres
to
the
same
principles,
frequent
doors
and
windows.
D
D
D
The
key
to
this
one
and
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
right-hand
corner,
just
sort
of
an
aerial
of
that.
The
red
lines
with
the
marks
where
walnut
street
is
the
thing
that
makes
that
possible
that
continuous
retail
front
is
possible.
Is
that
all
the
service
and
all
the
back
of
the
house
stuff
is
happening
behind
the
buildings.
So
this
behind
walnut
street
there's
a
series
of
alleys
on
both
sides
where
all
that
back
of
house
stuff
happens
and
sort
of
it
frees
up
the
street
for
for
all
that,
pedestrian
activity.
D
D
D
They
last
a
really
long
time,
and
sometimes
they
also
take
a
very
long
time
to
mature.
So
you
can
see
in
this
image
even
back
back
then,
when
there
was
probably
only
you
know,
30
or
40
families.
Here
you
can
see
that
the
squares
in
savannah
are
actually
already
visible
there
and
the
houses,
even
though
they're
only
single
family
houses.
At
this
stage,
the
houses
are
also
doing
a
really
good
job
of
actually
fronting
onto
the
street
and
defining
those
spaces,
and
so
over
time,
that's
savannah.
Today.
D
Written
house
square
in
philadelphia,
sort
of
the
same
concept
square
has
been
there
for
a
very
long
time,
and
over
time
is
building
additional
buildings
have
come
in.
It's
actually
just
made
the
space
better
and
better
one
interesting
thing
on
this
one.
You
can
see
the
building
kind
of,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
there's
one
building,
that's
kind
of
not
playing
along
with
the
others
and
actually
becomes.
D
You
know
in
a
situation
like
this,
it
actually
becomes
very
noticeable
when
a
building
intentionally
sort
of
pulls
itself
away
from
fronting
that
that
public
space
and
from
helping
to
define
that
space
so
kind
of
set
up
the
the
framework
there.
You
know
the
box
and
street
pattern
and
brett's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
now.
The
space
between
the.
K
Thank
you
so
as
set
up
the
framework
for
public
spaces,
I
thought
it
would
be
good
to
start
with
such
a
large
urban
park
like
central
park
in
manhattan,
and
I'm
going
to
have
a
series
of
slides
that
go
through
a
lot
of
different
examples.
Different
scales,
different
sizes
and
talk
about
the
open
space,
design
and
elements
within
those
that
differ
and
those
that
are
similar
and
so
again,
building
off
of
web
justin
set
up.
K
You
can
start
to
see
how
the
buildings
really
do
frame
central
park
on
all
sides,
and
you
know,
while
when
you're
inside
of
the
park,
the
scale
is
so
fast.
You
don't
really
recognize
that
you
know
playing
off
the
grid
here
and
the
street
pattern
and
those
buildings
really
do
work
to
shape
this
larger
space.
But
while
inside
of
it
you
get
you
get
lost,
you
know
and
you
get
really
in
touch
with
nature
and
feeling
it's
really
an
escape
from
the
theater
core
of
the
city.
K
So
everything
from
a
large
urban
park
like
this
and
843
acres,
all
the
way
down
to
a
small
pocket
park
like
this
paley
park,
which
is
only
a
few
blocks
away
from
central
park.
You
have
the
same
principles
here.
You
see,
enclosure
on
all
sides
and
there's
movable
seating
trees.
Again.
The
water
roll
in
the
back
really
serves
as
an
element
of
white
noise
that
really
draw
drowns
out.
The
noise
from
the
bustling
urban
environment
on
the
street.
But
again
you
know
people
come
here
to
escape
the
hustle
and
bustle
and
just
daydream
have
lunch.
K
And
you
know
urban
design
and
public
space
design
comes
in
all
shapes
and
sizes,
and
this
is
just
an
example
from
portland
oregon
of
a
small,
one-acre
or
neighborhood
oriented
park,
which
again
has
a
variety
of
different
features.
Water
elements
there's
lots
of
lush
landscaping
among
the
edges,
and
you
know
how
does
that
all
come
together
to
create
a
great
place,
and
this
is
the
this
is
a
picture
from
the
same
park.
K
Some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this.
It's
not
built
yet,
but
this
is
the
11th
street
bridge
park.
This
is
a
rendering
across
the
anacostia
river.
So
again,
repurposing
the
existing
infrastructure
to
turn
into
public
open
spaces
is
another
way
to
help
connect
communities.
This
being
from
the
navy
yard
river
to
anacostia.
K
This
is
clyde
warren
park,
I'm
just
going
to
flip
back
and
forth
here,
but
this
is
one
really
great
example
of
a
park
that
was
completed
a
couple
years
ago,
where
they
decked
over
this
freeway
and
created
this
wonderful
5.2
acre
park
that
has
a
mixture
of
different
programming
and
uses,
but
really
does
help
stitch
together.
Those
communities
on
both
sides
where
the
freeway
is
really
you
know
a
scar
in
the
neighborhood,
so
another
great
example
of
thinking.
K
K
K
K
This
is
an
example
from
washington
d.c
over
at
the
navy
yard.
This
is
a
canal
park.
It's
a
park
that
is
three
blocks,
that
it's
a
work
in
progress.
The
park
was
complete,
but,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
east
side
there
there
are
some
vacant
lots
which
is
slated
for
redevelopment
in
the
future,
but
this
park
has
a
lot
of
really
great
elements.
There's
there's
a
water
feature,
there's
cafes,
green
roofs,
there's
a
lot
of
sustainable
elements
during
the
winter
time.
K
K
It's
really
about
harvesting
runoff
from
those
future
buildings,
integrating
it
into
the
park,
treating
it
reusing
it
for
irrigation,
flushing
of
toilets
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
it's
really
about
thinking
about
this
whole
park
as
a
system
and
how
it
can
really
be
a
truly
sustainable
place
in
the
future,
and
a
lot
of
this
really
isn't
evident
when
you're
in
this
space
a
lot
of
the
stuff
of
these
pipes.
It's
all
infrastructure,
that's
below
ground,
you
don't
really
notice.
Until
you
see
something
like
this
or
you
just
do
the
research.
K
A
lot
of
this
goes
into
our
republican
spaces
planning.
So
how
does
that
get
applied
to
the
streetscape?
This
is
an
example
in
the
noma
neighborhood
in
dc.
I
think
it's
constitutional
square,
there's
a
harris
team
in
there
you
may
be
familiar
with
it,
but
they've
integrated
storm
water,
fire
retention,
planters
into
the
sidewalk,
it's
very
wide
sidewalk,
so
you've
got
cafe
seating
on
the
on
the
building,
frontage
and
native
vegetation.
K
K
This
is
a
study
that
was
done
after
hurricane
sandy
really
had
a
tremendous
impact
on
lower
manhattan,
but,
looking
at
how
storm
water
and
infrastructure
can
all
be
integrated
on
a
district-wide
scale
and
how
we
can
really
plan
for
resilient
cities
in
the
future,
so
it
almost
acts
like
a
sponge
that
can
handle
the
rising
tides
of
the
future
so
again
forward
thinking
using
an
infrastructure
smaller,
as
it
is
key
so
going
back
to
the
framework.
This
is
a
paris.
K
K
During
our
cycling
review,
we
I
think
we
have
a
hard
time
understanding
scale,
and
so
we
think
about
public
spaces.
We
have
to
understand
scale,
justin,
had
some
slides
earlier
about
proportion
and
enclosure
and
how
these
spaces
are
framed.
But
then
you
know
what
might
you
see
in
a
square?
That's
you
know
a
third
of
the
maker
versus
a
place.
That's
an
acre
like
jameson's
square
up
in
the
upper
right
or
her
shannon
square,
in
los
angeles,
so
understanding
scale
is
very
important.
K
And
so
you
can
see
the
blocks
in
the
new
street
12th
street
in
this
case
on
the
left,
how
to
link
open
spaces
so
you've
got
med
park
on
the
south
of
the
new
beginning
from
where
the
future
pin
place
is
to
the
north
and
then
how
those
future
buildings
start
to
kind
of
frame
those
spaces.
So
you
can
see
in
that
park.
K
I
know
this
is
a
larger
urban
place,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
those
same
principles
complied
with
a
lot
of
other
spaces,
but
I
think
before
we
get
into
that,
you
know
it's
certainly
important
when
looking
at
these
spaces
and
thinking
about
design
in
the
early
phase
is
to
look
at
the
context,
not
only
look
at
scale
of
other
places,
but
also
look
at
what's
around
what
what
kind
of
other
amenities
are
in
these
public
spaces?
What's
missing,
what
do
we
need?
K
And
you
know
a
lot
of
this-
will
come
out
of
the
public
spaces
master
planning
process-
that's
currently
underway
today.
So
again,
in
the
case
of
pin
place,
the
first,
you
know
plaza
or
urban
public
space
off
12th
street.
Was
this
12th
street
plaza?
We
started
to
look
at
the
size
of
that
and
what
that
meant.
So
it's
about
you
know
a
third
of
an
acre.
We
start
looking
at
penrose
square
pentagon,
road
wellburn
square.
K
K
If
you
look
at
the
design,
the
stones
kind
of
mimics
that
shape
of
that
round
kind
of
beach,
cobblestone,
the
sticks
plays
off
of
all
the
different
circulation
patterns,
the
desired
lines
within
the
space
itself.
Ultimately,
the
the
styx
concept
was
chosen
to
move
forward.
So
in
this
diagram,
the
12th
12th
street
is
on
the
bottom,
but
it
was
important
that
came
out
through
the
process
was
how
do
you
get
people
into
the
interior
of
the
space?
How
do
you
activate
that
interior,
open
space,
and
so
what
they
came
up
with?
K
K
There's
the
cafe.
I
mentioned
different
water
elements.
Everything
is
really
organized
off
that
main
central
axis
sculptural
elements.
The
children's
play
area,
for
example,
was
located
adjacent
to
the
cafe,
so
the
kids
are
playing
over
here.
You
could
be
sitting
over
there
with
your
friends
having
a
coffee,
so
it.
K
Sense
how
all
these
things
really
fit
together,
but
you
know
it's
not
until
you
start
seeing
this
kind
of
form
that
it
makes
public
art
again
having
very
visual
locations
of
public
art,
from
anchoring
the
corners
and
again
creating
a
terminal,
but
then
also
looking
at
the
greater
space
itself,
going
back
to
kind
of
the
scale
of
the
program
is
you
know
thinking
about
like
how
many
people
were
going
to
fit
in
this
space?
If
we
have
a
concert
so
looking
at
diagrams
like
this,
I
think
was
very
helpful
in
this
process.
K
It
could
be
helpful
going
forward
in
other
large,
open
space
projects
as
well,
and
so
this
you
know,
resulted
in
ultimately
this
concept
plan
and
we
all
know
that
you
know
going
forward.
This
will
come
in
with
new
cycling
development
and
we'll
have
sbrc
meetings.
We'll
look
at
this
in
greater
detail
and
then
at
that
point
we
really
start
to
drill
down
into
the
site.
We
start
to
understand
design
a
little
bit
more,
the
intention
of
materials
and
pattern
paving
and
landscaping.
K
So
we'll
get
to
see
all
that
later.
But
I
thought
I'd
drill
down
here.
At
least
get
you
thinking
about
pattern
in
the
landscape.
This
is
one
example
of
how
the
landscape
architect
took
the
pattern
of
the
building
and
reflected
it
down
into
the
plaza
space,
which
I
I
found
was
a
very
neat
idea,
and
this
is
just
a
close-up
of
that
space.
So
you
start
to
see
the
pattern.
K
Then
we
start
to
look
at
pattern
and
texture.
This
is
another
example
from
cornell
university,
but
you
start
to
you
know,
make
you
know
common
sense
stuff.
You
just
follow
desire
lines
of
people,
people
you
know,
don't
walk
at
right
angles.
You
know
people
want
to
enter
spaces
like
this
at
the
corners.
You
know
where
are
people
going,
and
you
have
to
really
think
about
how
people
move
through
the
space?
You
know.
K
K
To
this
campus
plaza
and
again,
you
know
going
back
to
that
hierarchy
of
cast.
You
can
see
this
example
here,
similar
to
the
pen,
place
example
where
you
have
a
wider
path,
that's
really
serving
as
a
strong
access
and
linkage
from
the
retail
at
the
top
of
the
screen
to
this
gray
water
feature
in
the
foreground
here
and
then
how
those
other
secondary
paths
start
to
create
space
in
more
usable
spaces
for
other
types
of
programming.
K
This
example
is
a
great
example
of
how
to
blend
the
passive
and
active
spaces
that
we
we
hear
a
lot
of
in
our
meetings,
and
this
is
a
residential
project.
But
here
in
the
foreground
is
very
passive,
lawn
areas
for
picnicking,
throwing
the
ball
with
the
kid
or
what
have
you?
But
then,
as
you
see,
there's
a
tunnel.
K
Right
here
that
goes
through
this
actually
man-made
kind
of
out
of
rock
outcropping.
Then,
as
you
go
through
that
tunnel,
there's
this
really
active
play
space
that
has
this
really
cool
slide,
built
into
the
topography.
There's
there's
sand,
there's,
there's
water
features,
there's
just
natural
stone.
There's
these
pathways.
That
kind
of
lead
you
up
again
other
ways
to
just
kind
of
get
lost
from
the
city
and
kind
of
experience.
Nature-
and
you
know
this.
K
I
love
this
image
because
it
really
shows
you
the
tension
between
these
hexagonal
papers
and
geometry,
and
this
is
this
man-made
kind
of
bank
of
boulders
and
grasses.
So
it
almost
looks
like
you
know
this
was
here
first
and
they
just
paved
up
against
it,
but
it's
really
that
tension
between
the
natural
and
the
man-made.
That
was
really
interesting
about
the
sandwich
with
landscapes.
You
know
we
always
see
the
renderings
with
the
trees
and
the
flowers,
but
we
have
to
think
about
the
spaces
in
the
wintertime.
K
So
you
know
here
we
have
a
water
feature
with
these
really
cool
jagged
stones,
to
kind
of
jump
on
whatever
wave.
You
know
very
shallow
water
depth,
but
you
know
in
the
winter
time
you've
got
this
great
contrast
with
the
snow
and
the
water.
Adding
an
element
of
you
know,
visual
interest-
and
this
is
just
another
example
from
harvard
university.
K
These
stones
are
very
popular
with
the
students
we're
sitting
around
as
a
there's,
a
missed
fountain,
but
in
the
wintertime
also,
you
know
thinking
about
the
contrast
materials
and
this
is
an
example
of
dilworth
park
in
philadelphia.
That's
a
this
is
city
hall
here.
This
is
a
new
plaza
that
was
recently
completed.
K
What's
interesting
about
this
place,
it
is
a
lot
of
hardscape.
I
will
admit
that,
but
it
is
the
site
of
a
lot
of
and
it's
their
really
civic
space.
So
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
gathering.
There's
a
cafe
anchoring
this
end,
there's
a
water
feature,
but
if
you
notice
this
kind
of
squiggly
lines
that
go
through
here,
this
is
really
a
representation
of
the
subway
lines
that
are
running
below
the
plaza
and
actually
the
designers
work
with
the
artist
you
can
see
in
this
rendering
here
to
animate
this
space
at
night.
K
Those
those
lines
light
up
whenever
the
trains
are
passing
below,
which
is
a
really
neat
element.
There's
some
other
small
examples
of
how
public
art
can
help
activate
space,
but
also
just
be
contemplative
in
general,
the
bean
in
chicago.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
seen
that
millennial
park
very
large
scale,
but
there's
also
ways
to
have
you
know:
sculptural
seating,
there's
temporary
art,
which
also
is
another
fantastic
way
to
animate
space
and
then
other.
K
As
well
in
terms
of
tree
canopy
space,
what
I
found
interesting
about
this
image-
you
know
it's
a
grove
of
trees.
If
you
look
at
this
on
a
plan,
you're
probably
gonna
say
how
are
people
gonna
use
this
space
when
you
look
at
it
when
these
trees
are
mature,
they're
lined
up-
and
you
know,
creating
this
great
canopy
in
this
room?
If
you
will,
it
really
is
a
great
space.
I
mean
not
only
provide
shade,
but
you
know,
trees
on
a
plan,
don't
always
mean
unusable
space.
K
People
can
still
get
underneath
the
trees
and
enjoy
that
space.
Trees
can
also
be
used
for
visual
interest,
whether
it's
fall
color.
This
example
here
just
that
yellow
birch
trees
here
that
kind
of
anchor
that
that
bend
in
the
path,
but
the
public
seating
that
wraps
around
here
offering
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
for
public
seating
is
important
and
again.
J
K
It
also
translates
to
the
landscape.
You
know,
there's
textures
and
you
know
thinking
about
plant
material
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
post-approval
when
we're
looking
at
these
landscape
plans,
we're
looking
at
all
these
species
and
how
these
species
are
working
together
and
you
know
what
they
might
look
like
in
the
wintertime.
K
This
is
an
example
from
the
lurie
garden
in
chicago,
but
you
know
these
perennials,
you
know
they
bloom
every
spring
and
it
forms
this
purple
wave
through
the
landscape
and
people
come
here,
and
you
know
it's
just
something
about
celebrating
the
different
seasons
and
using
plant
materials.
So,
a
lot
of
that
that
thought
has
to
be
put
into
design
as
well,
and
we
as
staff
are
always
looking
at
that.
K
K
K
The
scale
is
really
it's
really
human
scale,
and
so,
when
we
start
talking
about
the
streetscape,
that's
what
we
are
looking
to
do.
We
really
want
to
create
a
human
scale,
things
that
are
really
tangible
at
high
level.
These
are
the
things
that
people
really
notice.
The
most
I
mean
certainly
appreciating
a
great
building
from
a
distance,
but
really
when
you're
walking
down
the
street.
K
This
is
what
you're
experiencing
when
you're
really
experiencing
that
building
wall.
What's
on,
what's
happening
on
the
ground
plane
on
the
curb
side,
whether
it's
parking
or
bike
lanes
so
again
paying
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
detail,
and
we
get
into
this
discussion
a
lot
in
our
plane
review,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
typical
streetscape.
If
you
will,
you
have
a
building
crunch,
we've
got
what
we
call
the
shy
zone
or
the
spillout
zone,
so
we're
usually
where
cafes
are.
But
there
are
some
instances
where
we
have
cafes
on
the
curbside.
K
K
You
know
the
standoff
distance
from
the
curve.
Is
there
enough
room
for
somebody
to
get
out
of
their
car
when
they
park
and
then
the
arrangement
of
all
those
elements?
So,
just
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
detail
on
the
clearances
and
how
everything's
placed
and
how
everything
makes
sense
when
creating
a
consistent
streetscape
in.
K
Of
course,
the
success
of
public
spaces
really
falls
back
on
a
lot
of
having
a
variety
of
seating.
Looking
at
the
ergonomics
of
seating
understanding,
what
the
proper
height
is,
what
the
angle
is
for
the
back
rest
and
then
trees
in
terms
of
soil
volume,
understanding
what
it
takes
to
support
a
healthy
as
a
tree.
K
So
these
are
some
diagrams
to
show
the
amount
of
soil
volume
needed
to
to
get
those
large
cavity
trees
and
what
impact
that
has
on
the
streetscape
design
in
terms
of
dimensions
and
spacing
now
other
innovative
ways
to
look
at
increasing
soil
volume
of
trees.
With
these
suspended
suspended
pavement
by
these
trees.
Here,
that's
filled
with
unprotected
soil
understanding.
C
K
Textures
and
you
know,
understanding,
accessibility
in
terms
of
taking
design
lighting.
Of
course,
we
have
our
standard
street
collectors,
there's
other
ways
to
look
at
lights
above
and
on
the
ground,
plane,
animate
spaces
at
night,
and
then
lastly,
wayfinding
and
signage
very
important
and
a
lot
of
our
spaces
are
not
even
known
to
be
public.
So
even
simple
signs
like
this
on
the
side
of
a
building
can
help
encourage
more
use
of
privately
owned.
I
I
C
C
D
B
D
Well,
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
we
always
look
to
if
there's
any
adoptive
plans
or
policies
that
we
have
in
place
already.
Those
are
the
very
first
things
that
we
always
sort
of
check
new
development
proposals
against
and
then
beyond
that
you
know.
There's
there
may
be
things
that
potentially
those
plans
don't
address
or
they're
kind
of
left
open
or
then
I
think
we
sort
of
need
to
use
our
own
judgment
to
sort
of
determine
whether
things
are
appropriate
or
they're,
not
appropriate
or
if
there's
things
that
developers
need
to
work
on.
H
Description
of
how
a
building
defines
space
and
how
several
buildings
define
space
public
space,
and
what
struck
me
about
that
thinking
about
the
sprc
agenda
was
that
I
don't
think
we
ever
get
to
that
essential
connection,
which
is
what
I
thought
you
were
saying
when
you
introduced
the
entire
seminar.
So
we
will
talk.
C
H
We
will
talk
about
architecture
pulling
some
of
the
agenda
items
that
I
remember
from
sbrc.
I
don't
have
it
here,
so
we'll
talk
about
transportation,
circulation,
building
architecture.
I
think
we
do
have
urban.
I
think
urban
design
is
part
of
it,
but
I
don't
remember
us
ever
focusing
on
how
does
this
building
create
the
public
space
that
planning
commissioners
are
going
to
focus
on?
H
D
Looking
a
little
bit
more
at
the
context
of
the
building,
rather
than
okay,
well,
here's
the
site!
This
is
where
it's
located
and
then
just
jumping
right
into
the
building
details.
It's
certainly
good
to
step
back
and
kind
of
look
at
how
the
building
kind
of
fits
into
the
environment.
What
are
the
buildings
that
are
adjacent
to
it
in
terms
of
scale
and
the
space
that
it
makes
and
the
streetscape
in
front
of
it
certainly
all
validates.
A
A
A
A
A
M
I
would
have
to
follow
into
what
jane
is
saying,
because
I
think,
from
our
perspective
from
those
of
us
that
will
sit
in
on
the
sprc
process
from
department
recognition,
open
space
is
always
the
last
thing
on
the
agenda.
Oftentimes
kind
of
an
asterisk,
and
you
know
we
totally
agree
with
what
what
brett
and
justin
were
talking
about,
that.
You
really
do
need
to
create
these
spaces,
and
I'm
not
sure
we're
doing
that
very
well,
because
we're
it's
an
afterthought
right
now
from
our
perspective
and
we'd
love
to
see
that
really
bumped
up.
I
Excellent
point:
I
think,
we've
just
been
recently
working
on
design
and
we
didn't
start
with
the
buildings.
We
started
the
network,
we
start
with
the
arrangement
and
the
streets,
and
what
are
we
connecting
to?
What
are
the
design
lines
and
it's
it's
interesting
how
when
an
applicant
comes
in,
they
have
these
very
embellished
renderings
with
trees
that
are
probably
30
or
40
or
50
years
old
by
the
time
they're,
singing
and
they're
entering,
and
but
they
didn't
start
there,
that's
the
finished
product.
I
J
Yeah
a
comment
and
then
a
question
which
is
an
excellent
overview.
I
think
of
argument
design
very,
very
helpful,
I'm
glad
we
have
it
recorded
for
others
to
see,
but
it
does
the
follow-up
to
this
conversation
that
we're
having
right
now
in
the
overall
presentation.
It
strikes
me
that
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
these
urban
design
principles-
and
you
mentioned
it
in
your
presentation-
the
layout
of
charleston.
I
think
it
was
right
where
it
goes
back.
Oh
savannah,
thank
you.
J
It
goes
you
know
it
starts
at
the
very
beginning.
Well,
we
can't
roll
back
the
clock
where
we
are
and
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
is
retrofitting
to
what
was
you
know,
the
rapid
development
of
arlington
post
world
war
ii
without
that
kind
of
forethought,
necessarily
so
we're
trying
to
squeeze
some
of
these
elements
in
and
a
lot
of
the
discussion.
What
we're
talking
about
here?
It
really
takes
place
now,
when
we're
looking
at
sector
plans,
small
area
plans,
maybe
pdsps,
not
so
much
at
the
sprc
level.
J
So
the
question
is:
what
should
we
be
looking
at
other
than
compliance?
When
you
know
all
this
obviously
makes
a
lot
of
sense
when
we
were
looking
at
courthouse,
we're
talking
about
roslyn
and
we're
talking
about
trying
to
create
an
18th
street
corridor,
etc
those
kinds
of
things,
but
when
individual
sprcs
come
in
what
is
their
responsibility
and
their
an
individual
building
or
project's
role
in
the
overall
fabric?
J
What
should
we
be
looking
for
and
the
follow-up
to
that
is
the
role
of
architectural
quality
and
quality
being
defined
in
the
sense
of
the
the
durability
and
the
lasting
value
of
a
building?
Should
we
expect,
does
the
community?
Does
the
public
have
a
public
interest
in
that
we
are
now
building
buildings
that
will
last
a
long
long
time,
or
is
it
okay
to
assume
this
building
has
a
a
30,
30
or
40
year
pro
forma,
and
if
that's
all,
that
we're
going
to
get
out
of
it
in
soviet.
D
D
D
I
think,
in
particular
on
the
lower
stories
they're
kind
of
adjacent
to
pedestrians
and
people
can
actually
interact
with
them.
In
terms
of
your
question
about
the
sprc
and
what
everybody
should
be
looking
for,
I
mean
I
think,
in
the
absence
of
a
plan
like
so
you
know,
looking
at
a
site
plan,
that's
maybe
in
an
area
where
there
is
no
plan
or
it's
you
know
there
may
be.
D
This
is
a
lot
of
guidance,
and
I
think
the
important
things
to
look
for
is
you
know
are
the
is
the
building
helping
to
define
the
street
space?
What
are
the
quality
of
the
materials
that
are
being
used?
Is
the
building
being
a
good
neighbor
to
the
adjacent
buildings
around
it
and
forced?
First
and
foremost,
I
also
think
the
whatever
is
happening
on
the
ground
floor
is
particularly
important.
D
N
Hi,
this
one's
from
brad,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
nitty
gritty
and
thinking
about
the
park
planning
process
we're
dealing
with,
I
think
privately
owned
spaces.
I
think,
for
example,
penn
place
what
you
had
there
and
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
the
the
allocation
of
work,
the
responsibilities.
We
have
a
planning
process
that
we
went
through
with
penn
place
a
couple
years
ago
and,
as
you
show,
this
beautifully
thought
out
design
and
there's
always
public
input.
N
So
there's
there's
a
park
plan
there
and
I
guess
that
lays
out
locations
of
things
and
where
basically
the
walkways
would
be
and
functions
would
be.
But
then
we
know
when
we
get
down
the
road
when
they
actually
start
to
build
that
thing.
They're
going
to
come
back
to
us
and
then
I
assume
there'll
be
a
part
design
process
right
where
you
get
into
the
degree
I'm
trying
to.
Where
does
one
stop
in
the
way
we
think
of
things
here
in
learning?
Where
does
one
stop
and
where
does
where
do
we
have
the
plan?
N
That's
the
plan,
and
you
know
what
I
call
function:
locations
of
things
and
where's.
Where
does
design
pick
up
and
we're
trying
to
sort
that
out
and
specifically,
we've
got
a
project?
We
just
dealt
with
the
other
night
where
we
started
to
talk
about
the
wilson,
boulevards
and
kenzan
site
and
couple
of
star
had
questions.
There
was
this
public
plan
and
now
we're
getting
the
specifics
of
the
design
that's
being
proposed,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure.
K
That
one
out
yeah,
I
think
in
terms
of
design
the
never
stops
the
thing
about
landscapes
is
they're,
constantly
evolving
they're
living
growing,
they
get
outdated,
and
so
you
know,
while
the
10th
place,
design
is
a
great
plant.
It's
a
concept
and,
as
you
mentioned,
you'll
come
in
and
find
a
brand
of
detail.
We'll
start
looking
at
evaluating
that
concept
against
reality.
K
F
F
Is
a
question
to
the
folks
who
participate
in
nascar
season
who
lead
them,
but
at
what
point
in
the
process
should
the
site
analysis
take
place
and
who
should
be
involved?
Is
this
something
you
require
of
the
applicant?
Is
this
something
that
happens?
It
may
be
the
first
sprc.
Is
it
something
staff
prepares
citizens
work
on,
you
know
we've
just
given
we've
been
given
the
outline.
So
so,
when
should
this
happen,
and
how
should
it
happen.
A
Well,
we
I
kind
of
like
to
touch
on
eric's
question.
First,
you
know.
Coming
to
your
years,
we
have
a
series
of
plans
throughout
the
county
that
the
county's
taking
the
roster,
that
was
that
was
a
plan
that
generated
a
whole
series
and
we
looked
at
an
entire
area
and
how
each
block
connected
and
how
green
space
is
used.
Now
proposing
the
eighth,
the
18th
street
concept,
really
nice
and
unites
those
properties,
create
some
really
interesting
space,
and
so,
like
fred
said,
you
are.
D
A
A
The
basic
guides
and
spirit
of
the
planet
has
great
interesting,
open
spaces
as
it
does.
It
helped
facilitate
each
18th
street
of
that,
so
I
think,
there's
really
a
role
of
all
the
plants
as
far
as
we
when
we
get
into
site
analysis,
we
we
have
a
process
with
projects
right
now
and
kind
of
kind
of
quickly
going
through
it.
A
We
have
the
concept
plan
review
process,
which
is
something
that
we
look
at
when
it's
kind
of
like
at
first
blush,
before
anything's,
even
submitted
to
make
sure
that
what's
being
proposed,
is
basically
consistent
with
our
plans.
We
really
don't
get
into
the
details,
but
we
offer
some
general
guidance
and
guidance
for
an
applicant
if
they
wish
to
pursue
it
further.
Okay,
then,
ultimately,
they
do
submit
the
project
to
us
and
that's
when
we
start
getting
into
the
more
detail
evaluation.
B
C
B
To
really
start
to
think
about
what
are
the
access
points?
What
is
the
building
framing
the
street?
Is
there
the
green
space
and
then,
after
that
start
really
getting
into
the
details
about
the
transportation,
the
elements
of
the
green
space
and
the
rest
of
it?
And
to
that
end
we
have
been
advocating
and
trying
to
do
a
site
visit,
because
after
you
in
general,
try
to
do
one
sprc,
that's
the
overview
to
get
everybody's
mind
through
okay.
This
is
what
it
is.
C
B
C
O
B
E
E
E
D
C
E
People
who
ran
paris
basically
had
grand
plans
and
they
destroyed
neighborhoods
in
order
to
create
beautiful,
beautiful
urban
plans
right,
but
they
had
to
destroy
slums
and
they
did
drastic
things
that
we
would
never
do
so.
I
mean
I'm
just
pointing
this
out
that
there
are
still.
There
are
parts
of
arlington
that
are
so.
E
C
L
Hi
thanks,
I
really
appreciate
the
question
that
was
raised
about
side
analysis
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
fundamental
issue
that
we
do
face
in
the
site
plan
review
process
and
in
implementing
our
plans,
so
just
to
be
totally
honest
about
it
that
the
and
I'm
an
architect.
So
I
work
for
private
companies
when
you
are
coming
in
with
a
development
proposal.
Your
interest
on
the
applicant
side
is
to
get
it
approved,
so
you
pick
and
choose
the
elements
that
you
believe
will
lead
to
approval.
L
L
L
L
I
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
great
point
and
we
talked
about
sort
of
unpacking,
the
design
and
the
plan,
and
so
really
the
question
becomes.
How
do
we
do
that?
And
you
know
you
started
to
see
how
we
look
at
and
pack
a
design
and
we
go
back
to
sort
of
our
mental
checklist.
Let's
talk
about
the
scale,
let's
talk
about
views
and
I
think
ideally,
that's
the
conversation
we
also
have
with
the
community.
I
We
do
a
wonderful
job.
Having
that
conversation
when
we're
doing
a
sector
plan-
or
you
know
these
other
types
of
public
events,
because
we
start
we're
very
methodically,
go
through
the
steps
of
gathering,
you
know,
what's
the
history
of
the
site,
what's
the
materials
and
who
are
the
people
that
may
decide
what
it
is,
and
I
think
you
know
talk
to
you
to
steve.
What
do
you
see
as
the
future
of
how
do
we
engage
the
public?
But
you
know
how
do
you?
I
How
do
we
get
to
this
process
where
we
are
not
looking
at
the
finished
product
and
almost
being
forced
to
react
to
it,
but
actually
being
part
of
the
building
of
that
relationship
and
almost
using
some
of
these
terms,
as
a
checklist
to
say:
yes,
great
scale,
no
or
relationship
to
a
historic
building?
How
how
do
you
see
the
future
of
our
relationship
as
we
go
through
these
planning
development
projects.
A
Well,
I
think
this
is,
I
think,
I'd
like
to
address
one
thing.
Brian
said
that
is
when
projects
come
in
and
absolutely
have
a
lot
of
problems,
whether
it
relates
to
whatever
plan
says
or
just
doesn't
fit,
scale-wise
or
anything
like
that.
We
do
say
that
in
the
beginning
you
know,
and
we
have,
we
have
turned
some
projects
away,
just
because
they're
so
off-base,
and
so
so
outrageous,
so
to
speak,
but
at
the
same
time
we
do
provide
them
guidance
and
saying:
look
if
you
do
this,
you
do
this.
A
You
do
this
okay
and
then
you
might
have
something
here,
but
you
need
to
need
to
to
redo
this
and
that
that
really
is
what
we're
doing
in
our
concept.
Plan
review
process
before
any
applicant
spends
a
lot
of
money
on
drawings
and
things
like
that
to
sit
down
with
them
and
go
through
the
basics,
and
if
they
look
like
they
have
a
project,
then
we
say
all
right:
you've.
A
A
A
What
have
you
noticed
so
far
and
there
were
a
couple
of
things
that
I
picked
up
around
the
way,
and
that
is
here.
Arlington
is
on
the
you
know,
it's
on
the
potomac
river
and
there's
very
little
access
to
the
river
spectacular
opportunity
to
provide
access
to
the
river,
and
we
essentially
turn
her
backwards.
A
I
think
boston
and
gateway
park
is
an
incredible
opportunity
for
us
to
do
that,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
projects
we've
had
some
preliminary
conversations
on
is
actually
the
marriott
hotel
site
bringing
the
bridge
where
they're,
probably
in
the
next
six
months,
or
so
they
will
be
looking
to
submit
something
to
redevelop
that
site.
So
here's
an
opportunity
for
not
only
to
look
at
that
site,
but
for
the
community
to
look
at
okay.
How
can
that
better
tie
in
for
rosa?
How
could
that
better
tie
in
to
gateway
park?
D
A
C
A
Right
now
I
know:
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot
but
courthouse
square.
Actually,
the
courthouse
square
plan
is
that
opportunity,
and
so
when,
when
the
development
comes
in
in
or
around
courthouse
square,
that's
our
opportunity
to
not
only
look
at
that
project
individually
but
say
how
can
that
help
us
implement
what
we're
recommending.
A
You
look
at
this
is
a
much
larger
scale
millennial
park
in
chicago
okay.
It
was
basically
a
rail
yard.
They
decided
to
put
an
investment
in
milano
park.
What
happened
was
not
only
is
it
a
spectacular
place
to
go,
but
the
economic
development
opportunities
that
it
created
just
created
all
this
additional
value
to
the
land
and
spectacular
buildings
and
projects
and
all
of
a
sudden,
you
turn
an
area
that
pretty
much.
B
Cphd-
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
on
behalf
of
sprc-
we
appreciate
that
you
know
the
notion
that
sometimes
we
think
the
sprc
process,
which
does
focus
a
lot
on
the
design
elements
that
we
saw
this
evening,
can
be
a
little
long.
I'd
like
to
be
very
clear
that
in
some
ways
that
is
because
we
have
applicants
who
come
in
with
a
particular
plan
in
mind
and
very
much
have
their
vision
for
a
particular
site
and
insight
plan
review.
B
C
B
B
Process,
you
may
have
a
consensus,
but
you
won't
have
unanimity
or
we
may
have
really
been
successful
in
just
leaving
two
or
three
elements
that
then
go
and
can
be
hashed
out
born
at
other
commissions,
in
a
planning
commission,
but
just
to
be
clear
by
the
time
a
project
gets
to
planning
commission
or
the
other
commission
reviews.
If
they're
done
towards
the
end.
There.
B
C
B
B
G
G
In
order
to
make
that
sense-
and
you
know
I
agree
with
you-
I
think
we
do
have
great
committees
and
commissions
that
are
here,
but
there
is
a
definite
barrier
to
get
involved
with
the
planning
process,
or
even
just
you
know,
projects
that
you
love
and
you
want
to
support
it's
a
little
tough
when
maybe
that's
10
20
years
down
the
road
you're
not
going
to
be
in
arlington
in
two
years.
So
I
would
really
say
that
I
would
love
to
see
the
county
go
in
the
direction
of
piloting.
C
G
G
That
key
step
of
getting
the
community
buy-in
and
testing
things
and
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
not
afraid
to
fail
and
we
can
make
tweaks
and
I
I
really
commend
you
for
doing
the
papa
plaza
and
the
papal
parts,
and
I
think
things
like
parklets,
let's
test
it
out
and
see
how
it
goes
and
it
doesn't
work,
then
we
learn
from
it.
But
at
least
you
have
the
opportunity
to
get
people
engaged
in
a
way
that
I
think
we're
kind
of
missing
right
now.
O
Because,
yes,
I
mean
having
been
involved
in
many
sbrcs.
I
wouldn't
say
that
he
was
anxious
to
spend
many
more
months
on
things
than
in
many
months,
but
sometimes
it
takes
quite
a
bit
to
get
things
in
line
and
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
once
it
goes
to
the
commission
approval
process.
It's
a
very
different
outlook
on
how
much
has
been
decided
on
a
plan,
and
yes,
I've
seen
changes
made
many
times
I
had
when
things
were
obvious.
O
I
also
wanted
to
ask
you
something:
we're
talking
about
the
general
great
deal
here
and
the
overview
of
the
overall
network
that's
being
set
up,
especially
in
complex
as
prcs
or
pdsps,
but
some
of
the
specifics.
I've
noticed
over
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
sprc's,
things
have
been
getting
better
in
terms
of
getting
building
materials
facades,
but
still,
I
think
people
are
very
much
surprised
or
it's
very
difficult,
with
very
major
projects
to
have
an
idea
of
the
final
building.
O
You
can
even
vary
greatly
within
illustrations
in
particular
sprc.
You
know
people
thinks
it
things
come
along,
but
how
do
you
consider
that?
And
over
the
years,
I've
heard
many
times,
questions
about
getting
more
representative
illustrations
and
better
ideas
and
with
parts.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
whether
the
commissioners
were
saying-
I
think
sometimes
I
I
understand
that
that
works,
and
sometimes
I
would
appreciate
even
warm
and
textured
specifics.
You
know
you
can
have
small,
very
simple
network
with
such
exquisite
results.
O
I
We
have
a
gentleman
back
here
that
want
to
make
a
comment
or
question,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
we
all
have
to
understand
is
that
the
developers
are
putting
their
projects
together.
You
know
they
they
go
through.
It's
a
pro
forma
right,
so
they're,
really
looking
at
the
financial
considerations
and
a
lot
of
the
conversations
with
staff
are
about
densities
or
footage.
It's
not.
N
D
I
And
relationships
other
buildings-
and
I
wonder
sometimes
and
perhaps
as
part
of
the
application
process,
we
would
ask
them
to
respond
to
these
fundamental
elements
of
design
as
part
of
their
application
as
a
way
to
introduce
the
project
rather
than
just
sort
of
dumping.
These
big
numbers
in
these
these
things
that
are
motivated
by
their
financial
decisions,
because
that's
we
don't
have
any
part
in
that.
P
I
think
I
think
you
might
have
just
asked
my
question,
but
my
comment
was:
I
don't
I
don't
know
very
much
about
urban
design,
but
also
the
fundamentals
approach
tonight
has
been
very
educational
for
me.
I
appreciate
that
thanks.
I
think
my
question
was
sort
of
a
follow-up
to
that
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
it
better.
K
Sure
I
think,
first
of
all,
if
you're
all
familiar
with
the
yards
park
and
the
dc
and
the
navy
yard
the
waterfront,
it's
developed
by
four
city,
big
developer,
that's
doing
the
boston
quarter
project
and
there
they
designed
a
really
wonderful
waterfront
park
and
they
built
it
first
and
the
park
then
spurred
development,
and
it
was
designed
in
such
a
way,
as
you
mentioned,
with
very
popular
features
that
cost
a
lot
of
money.
They
invested
in
materials
and
they've
hired,
really
good
designers.
K
You
know
you
invest
in
those
materials
and
upgrades,
and
I
think
you're
going
to
see
a
return
on
investment
in
your
businesses.
People
are
going
to
come
there.
People
are
going
to
tell
their
other
friends
to
go
there
and
then,
before
you
know
it,
you
know
it
all
pays
back
in
the
end,
and
I
think
the
courthouse
would
be
a
great
example
of
that
steve
mentioned.