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B
I
think
procedurally,
the
first
thing
we're
going
to
do
is
pick
a
new
chair
person.
We
need,
I
think
the
procedure
is,
someone
needs
to
nominate
someone,
you
can
nominate
yourself
and
then
you
need
a
second.
Then
we
vote
right.
Is
that
the
understood
procedure,
any
nominations.
A
C
E
B
Yeah,
I
I'm
fine
with
that.
I
don't,
I
feel,
like
you
just
couldn't
have
it's
two
consecutive
years,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
for
fred
to
take
it
so
fred.
Yes,
I
guess
I
guess
we
have
to
vote
all
in
favor
of
fred
being
chairperson
of
the
ttad
hi.
B
A
Whenever
you're
ready
fred,
I
can
I
have
the
questions
that
we
had
last
time.
I've
taken
those
to
the
attorney
and
I
can
come
back
and
I
can
answer
them
whenever
you
want
to.
A
Okay,
so
last
time
we
had
questions
about,
I
will
pull
it
up,
so
we
had
questions
about
the
spotters.
Essentially
our
we
want
to
clarification
on
whether
or
not
we
spotters
were
allowed
and
they
were
allowed
to
be
unmarked.
And
the
answer
is
yes:
they
do.
They
are
not
required
to
be
marked
so,
and
it's
only
so.
The
language
is
only
regarding
the
tow
truck.
A
That's
the
truck.
The
truck
shall
have
the
name
address
and
phone
number.
So
that
was
the
first
thing
and
then
we
had
another
question
about
at
what
point
does
a
temporary
wrecked
vehicle
turn
into
a
trespass
vehicle?
A
So
it's
I
talked
to
the
county
attorney
and
there
there
wasn't
exactly
a
clear
answer,
but
the
answer
was
basically
we're
referring
back
to
the
motor
vehicle
and
traffic
ordinance,
because
we
don't
want
wrecked
vehicles
to
be
considered,
trespass
tow.
A
So,
in
those
situations
where
a
wrecked
vehicle
you
know
is
sitting
on
private
property
for,
however
long
the
pr,
the
procedure
as
as
it
should
be-
and
I
think
as
it
currently
is-
is
too
involved
to
call
the
police
and
they
should
be
able
to
take
it
from
there.
So
that's
the
guidance
that
I
was
getting
given.
I
know
it
does
not
fully
answer
the
question,
but
there
is
no
definition
for
a
temporary
wrecked
vehicle
and
it's
not
supposed
to
be
in
the
trespass
towing,
ordinance.
A
So
the
in
the,
if
they're
in
the
field
and
that
situation
arises,
involve
the
police
and
they
should
be
able
to
take
it
from
there.
E
And
I
would
assume,
though,
unless
it's
in
the
let's
say
hoa
guidelines:
you're
not
allowed
to
have
a
rec
car,
so
they've
already
known
that
they're
not
supposed
to
have
a
record
on
their
property.
Then
you
could
talk.
That's
a
violation
of
the
hoa
and
or
the
apartment.
F
Sorry,
I'm
having
phone
issues
here.
So
in
that
guidance,
what
was
the
guidance
on
because
I
know
for
officers
they
become
a
little
frazzled
on
the
fact
that
the
vehicle
is
on
private
property
to
get
it
towed.
At
that
point,
do
you
know
what
the
recommendation
was
as
far
as?
What's
the
next
steps
for
the
officer.
A
I
mean
I
was
basically
it's
regulated
by
a
different
county
code:
the
motor
vehicles
and
traffic
ordinance,
14.2-3,
0.1
and
3.2.
A
So
I
don't
have
the
exact
recommendations
or
procedures
for
the
officer
in
the
field,
but
I
could
definitely
I
can
ask
lauren
and
I
can
get
that
for
you
guys
and
see
if
she
has
for
sure
I
mean
yeah.
I
could
definitely
do
that.
Let
me
write
that
down.
A
F
I
just
recently
had
an
issue
where
a
vehicle
was
involved
in
the
accident.
It
was
parked
legally
parked
on
public
property
and
pushed
onto
private
property,
and
the
officers
did
not
feel
comfortable
getting
it
towed
because
the
vehicle
was
on
pushed
on
private
property.
The
reasons
for
that
particular
reason
why
I
told
him
it
was
okay,
it
was
a
safety
hazard
because
the
vehicle
is
actually
stuck
on
the
side
of
a
tree,
so
it
was
a
safety
average
hazard.
F
So
you
want
to
make
the
conditions
safe,
so
we
should
have
told
it
from
our
behalf,
but
I
think
that's
given
that
and
speaking
to
some
more
senior
officers,
I
think
there
will.
There
probably
just
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
what
our
rights
are
at
that
point,
because
it
is
on
private
property.
A
Okay,
okay!
Well,
I
know
that
we
I
mean
we
actually
just
had
to
have
our
car.
We
had.
We
got
it.
We
were
in
an
accident
on
private
property
and
it
needed
to
be
towed.
It
was
in
fairfax
and
the
fairfax
police
officers,
they
called
actually
henry's
wrecker
and
it
seems
like
that's
pretty
standard
practice
for
them,
so
that
was
interesting.
Just
wanted
to
throw.
F
E
C
For
years
it's
been
up
to
the
officer
if
it's
leaking
or
the
headlights
are
busted
out,
99
out
of
100
they're
going
to
have
a
toad.
But
if
this
you
know
flat
tire
something
simple,
but
then
it
comes
to
the
project
manager
after
that,
if
they
want
the
vehicle
off
their
property.
So
but
usually
the
police
make
the
choice
and
there
hasn't
been
a
whole
lot
of
issues
that
I've
dealt
with
over
the
years.
C
A
A
B
I
would
I
would
throw
out,
I
mean,
I
guess
you
know
we
all
dance
around
kind
of
the
edge
cases
right
so
that
edge
case.
I
can't
imagine
the
disabled
vehicle
becoming
a
trespassing
vehicle
being
happening
a
lot,
but
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
we
know
what
the
rules
are.
The
question
about
unmarked
spotters
I
felt
like
was
not
whether
a
spotter
is
required
to
be
labeled
or
marked,
but
whether
the
county
is
allowed
to
require
a
spotter
to
be
marked.
B
Just
like
the
county
requires
a
tow
truck
to
be
marked.
I
mean
that
was.
That
was
the
question
last
time.
So
it's
I
mean
it's
a
subtle
difference,
so
I
I
know
that
they're
not
required,
but
there
are
edge
cases
where
people
are
like.
I,
I
did
not
leave
the
property
and
I'm
not
allowed,
or
I'm
not
able
to
confront
the
person
who
claims
that
I
left.
So
there
was
no
marking
like
there
was
just
an
anonymous
person
in
a
parking
lot
that
accused
them
of
being
towed.
A
Right
so
under
this
might
help
so
like
so
you
know
we
all
our
co.
Our
county
code
is
pulled
from
the
virginia
virginia
state
code
and
under
virginia
state
code,
section
42
46.2-100.
A
It
defines
what
a
tow
truck
is,
and
so,
under
the
definition
of
a
tow
truck
a
spotter
does
not
a
spotter
is
not
identified
as
a
tow
truck.
Because
of
I
can
put
the
definition
too,
but
this
is
part
of
the
guidance
that
I
was
given
from
the
county
attorney
and
because
of
the
spotter,
not
fitting.
The
definition
of
a
tow
truck
the
county
cannot
require
tow
trucks.
To
be
county
cannot
require
spotters
to
be
marked.
Does
that
make
sense.
D
B
A
E
Okay,
next
would
be
for
call
for
additional
items
to
be
added
to
the
agenda.
I
guess:
is
there
any.
E
All
right:
well
then,
let's
just
go
back
down
then
to
the
business
new
business
receipt
requirements.
A
So,
under
how
about
I
share
my
screen,
I
can
so
what
I've
got
under
here
is
these.
Are
these
bullets?
Are
the
there's
three
changes
or
three
outstanding
items
on
the
proposed
ordinance
that
I've
taken
to
the
attorney
and
I'm
bringing
it
back
to
the
tea
tab
for
their
review
and
for
their
potential
recommendation?
A
Fred,
actually
are
you
I
think
I
sent
you.
I
think
I
sent
you
two
different
meeting
packets.
E
A
A
Okay,
so
here
are
so
under
new
business
receipt
requirements.
So
let
me
pull
and
go
to.
D
G
Okay,
one
you'll
just
want
to
bump
up
the
your
screen,
so
we
can
see
it
because
you're
on
one
big
monitor
and
we're
on,
we
may
be
on
smaller
monitors.
G
A
A
So
the
first
item
is
the
receipt
requirements
and
that's
under
14.3-8,
and
this
is
what
matt
tuesday
brought
to
the
meeting
last
time
he
wanted
to
include.
A
So
we
took
this
to
the
county
attorney
and
this
is
the
language
that
we
decided
was
most
enforceable
out
of
the
draft
that
was
given
to
us,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
bringing
back
to
the
t
tab
for
approval.
A
A
It
essentially,
it
does
say
it
says
so,
on
the
receipt.
What
it's
saying
is
that
the
email
address
and
the
postal
address
of
the
towing
operator
for
the
purposes
of
requesting
information,
including
the
contract,
authorizing
the
toe
subject
to
the
provision
under
14.3-8
dot.
A
of
the
ordinance
does
that
capture.
A
What
the
original
statement
as
written
does
that
capture
the
essence
for
everyone?
What
does
everyone
think
about
that.
C
D
E
A
E
A
So
the
next
one
is
under
fees,
so
I
under
here
I
actually
went
ahead
and
I
wrote
up
the
language
as
I
wrote
the
language
in
a
way
that
it
would
be
easy
to
be
approved
if
the
t
tab
would
want
to
recommend
a
fee
increase.
A
A
A
A
So
we
have
here,
we
have,
I
actually
have
graphs
too,
but
the
data
submitted
from
we
have
henry's
record
service,
towing
yards
rent,
the
truck
maintenance
costs
and
new
truck
costs,
and
so
you
can
see-
and
I
have
all
the
actual
documentation
sent.
I
have
all
the
it's-
I've
reviewed
it
and
it
all
appears
to
be
legitimate.
I'm
not!
I
wasn't
questioning
any
of
that,
but
so
I
made
these
graphs,
hopefully
for
simplicity,
so
and
it's
so
that
everyone
can
see
the
increase
in
costs
and
we
have
the
rent.
A
The
data
that
was
provided
to
me
from
2015
to
2020
shows
the
rent
increasing
every
year.
It
started
about
475.
Let's
see
it
was
at
so
the
rent
started
at
469
649
and
you
can
see
it's
steadily
increased
every
year
and
2020
it's
up
soon.
That's
this
is
annual
it's
up
to
543
000,
and
then
we
have
a
truck
maintenance
cost
started
in
2015
at
42.49.
A
Now
it's
up
to
58.25
and
in
the
new
truck
costs
you
can
see,
and
I
looked
at
the
the
document
submitted
and
it
was
for
the
exact
same
truck
the
exact
same
truck
that
increased.
That
cost
the
same
I
mean
I'm
sorry.
It
was
the
same
truck,
but
it
cost
more.
Every
year
it
was
61
500.
A
Seventy
three
five,
seventy
three
six,
so
that
was
submitted
from
henry's
wrecker
and
advanced,
sent
me
their
insurance
premiums
and
then
their
workers,
comp
policies-
and
I
do
want
to
you
know
it
is
he
did
change
so
advanced
changed
insurance
providers
each
year,
and
so
I
wasn't
the
date.
It
did
appear
that
the
same
number
of
trucks
were
insured,
but
the
it
did
appear
to
be
the
same
policy
covering
the
same.
A
It
covered
the
same
but
different
companies,
but
it
did
increase
every
year
and
I
see
that
obviously
there
was
a
huge
there's,
a
huge
jump
between
2019
and
2020,
and
so
I
put
it
in
here,
but
I
do
want
to
just
make
sure
that's
understood
that
the
company
was
changed
and
then
this
was
there.
It
was
the
same
company.
They
used
the
workers,
compensation,
liability
policy
that
is
the
same
company
every
year,
so
that
did
increase.
E
So,
okay,
usually
just
so,
you
know
the
only
reason
you
would
usually
change
insurance
carriers
is,
if
you
shop,
you
take
your
insurance.
Just
like
you.
Would
your
car
and
you
shop
it
out.
Whoever
gives
you
the
best
coverage
for
the
best
premium
is
usually
you
would
go
with
so
advanced.
Switching
insurance
carriers
is
normal
business
practices.
A
That's
good
to
know,
then
I
can.
I
can
definitely
make
that
I
can
make
that
note
and
you
know
make
put
that
more
into
context,
but
that's
not
that.
A
Abnormal,
so
that's
all
I
have
so
this
is
the
financial
justification
that
I'm
bringing
to
you
all
and
yes
so
feel
free.
So
that's
all
I
have
turning
it
back
over.
B
Do
do
the
companies
buy
their
own
trucks
or
do
they
have
individual
independent
contractors,
not.
E
D
H
No,
I
think
this
is
great
data.
I
think
this
is
what
we
were
kind
of
looking
for
last
couple
of
years
to
to
make
this
to
make
the
to
justify
the
the
rate
increase
for
on
the
consumer
end,
instead
of
just
doing
it
because
we
can,
but
I
think
this
data
is
really
does
show
that
there
is
a
need
for
it.
E
And
under
the
maintenance
cost
that
I
sent
was
to
replace
a
transmission
that
was
just
for
one
transmission
for
one
truck
exact
same
year.
You
know
two,
two
identical
trucks.
The
difference
is
one
happened
back
then.
Last
year
one
happens
this
year,
the
price
and
just
that
one
transmission
has
gone
up.
That
much
same
shop
did
the
work
on
both
of
them.
When
I
sent
her
their
paid
bills.
E
B
E
E
B
135.
yeah,
I
mean
you
recall
the
last
time
I
the
issue
last
time
was,
I
think
it
went
from
a
flat
hundred
dollars
or
something
to
135
plus
those
two
extra
fees.
So
I
don't
know
I
I
guess
from
my
perspective
just
to
put
on
the
record.
I
I
I
don't
believe
anything
out
of
advanced
towing's
mouth
I
mean
I've
got
them
on
tape.
They
lied
to
me
in
my
toe.
They
claimed
they
were
self-insured
so
that
they
couldn't.
We
couldn't
make
a
claim
against
their
insurance.
B
I
I
they're,
you
know,
you
know
how
I
feel
about
them,
but
I
I
believe
the
henry's.
You
know
I
I
believe
those
numbers.
I
have
no
reason
to
doubt
them,
and
so
I
you
know,
I
I'm
fine
with
voting
on
raising
the
fee,
and
I
think
my
last
point
I
guess
was,
I
would
say,
I
think
the
base
fee
is
probably
more
fair
than
raising
the
other
fees.
B
I
will
tell
you
right
now:
I'm
gonna
vote
yay
on
on
them,
but
that
we
that
we
should
raise
them.
But
I
think
j
facet
years
ago
made
a
point
that
most
tows
are
after
hours
anyway,
so
like
when
we
vote
to
raise
those
after
hours.
Like
you
know,
I
looked
at
what
2017
or
18
data
and
by
a
factor
of
two
or
three
toes,
are
either
weekend
or
weekend
evenings.
B
So
when
we're,
when
we're
voting
days,
both
of
those
separate
fees,
I
mean
we
should
know
that
it
affects
at
least
two-thirds
of
the
the
tow
v
the
towed
vehicles,
so
that
that's
all
I'll
say
for
the
record.
I'm
happy
to
go
to
vote
unless
everyone
else
has
any
comments
or
questions.
C
You
know
all
I
want
to
say
is
you
know?
Sometimes
one
bad
apple
will
spoil
the
barrel,
but
you
know
we.
These
drivers
deserve
work.
You
know
we're
giving
them
401k.
Now
me
and
fred
we're
giving
them
health
insurance
we're
giving.
You
know
we
pay
the
drivers
more
at
night
because
it
is
more
of
a
hassle.
So
you
know
we've
been
waiting
for
a
long
time
and
now
we're
dealing
with
the
state
and
they
realize
it.
C
So
you
know
we
are,
you
know
we're
getting
the
industry
cleaned
up,
especially
in
arlington,
and
you
probably
know
that
and
sometimes
karma
is
that
you
know
and
it's
working
out
and
it's
working
out.
We
just
want
to
take
care
of
our
families
and
we
want
the
drivers
to
take
care
of
their
families.
So
we
appreciate
it.
C
B
E
E
B
Yeah,
I
think
fred
you
made
a
comment.
Last
time
is
like
you
know,
if
you
do
charge
bottom
barrel
prices,
you
get
bottom
barrel
service
and
people
who
are
willing
to
to
lie
to
you
and,
and
you
know,
mock
the
other
tow
industry,
industry
or
the
others
in
the
tow
industry,
for
you
know
having
their
monopoly.
So
I
I
mean
I've.
I
spoke
at
my
pace.
You
guys
all
know
where
I
stand,
but
I
appreciate
where
you
guys
are
coming
from,
and
I
think
this
is
the
data
I
was
looking
for
as
well.
D
A
B
Honestly,
for
that
one
I
was
on
the
fence.
I
think
it
was
al.
I
didn't
realize
who
said
it
your
video
is
small,
but
you
guys
actually
pay
drivers
more
at
night.
Yes,.
C
B
E
E
E
Yeah
so
again
we're
competing
with
the
rest
of
the
you
know:
small
businesses,
large
companies,
we've
gotta,
try
and
keep
in
that
same
range
to
keep
that
pool
of
drivers,
because
polar
drivers
are
not
getting
bigger,
especially
since
they
have
to
have
the
background,
checks
and
stuff
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
could
be
drivers,
but
they
won't
cut
the
background
check.
E
Got
it
okay,
all
right,
let's
bring
that
one
to
a
vote,
then
caitlyn
make
the
changes
from
25
to
30
to
max
estate
rates,
all
in
favor.
J
H
D
D
A
A
No,
that's
the
only
that's
the
third,
that's
the
only
other
bullet
on
this
on
the
agenda
for
the
language
changes,
and
so
I've
got
it
up
here
and
I'm
also
going
to
oh
wait.
I'm
sharing
the
wrong
screen,
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
off
the
screen.
A
A
A
Mr
tsumi
actually
brought
this
to
us,
so
if
fred,
if
you
want
to
turn
it
over
to
him,
if
that's
what
you
wanted
to
do,
I
have
it
up
here.
He
can
speak
more
to
it
if
he
likes.
H
So,
to
kind
of
help
out
with
the
a
large
number
of
our
complaints
have
to
deal
with
the
fees
and
people
not
knowing
what
the
fees
are
for
the
tow
trucks.
You
know
for
the
trespass
towing
toes,
including
the
drop
fee,
so
we
decided
to
do
was
we're
looking
at
how
we
can
cut
down
our
number
of
complaints
and,
while
giving
the
consumer
more
information
that
they
wouldn't
have,
unless
they
have
to
try
to.
You
know
funnel
away
through
the
internet
to
try
to
figure
it
out.
H
So
one
of
the
ways
was
to
take
what
the
taxicab
companies
do,
what
we
regulate
and
mandate
that
they
do,
we
just
put
a
rate
sticker
on
their
toe
on
their
taxicabs
and
in
a
similar
fashion.
This
this
sticker
would
be
on
the
back
driver's
side
window
of
the
tow
truck,
so
not
obscuring
any
vision
or
anything
like
that
of
the
driver,
but
in
a
position
where
people
can
see
it
when
they
see
the
tow
truck
or
they're
talking
to
the
tow
truck
driver
and
basically
it's
the
same
size.
H
H
H
The
other
thing
that's
on
the
rate
sticker
is
information
about
how
to
how
the
consumer,
if
they
want
to
it,
file
a
complaint.
It
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
them
to
to
do
it.
Instead
of
having
to
jump
through
additional
hoops.
There's
a
that
provides
the
telephone
number
to
our
office,
the
for
us.
It
also
has
the
non-emergency
police
number
on
the
placard,
as
well
as
the
bottom
right
hand
corner.
H
I
don't
know
if
you
can
scroll
down
just
a
little
bit
caitlyn
on
the
thing,
but
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
is
a
qr
code.
So
if
you
take
any
smartphone,
take
it
out
go
to
take
a
picture
of
it.
It'll
automatically
shoot
you
to
our
online
complaint
link
so
that
there
you
know
you
can
do
it
right
there
on
the
spot.
You
don't
need
to
remember
the
facts.
H
You
can
just
do
it
right
there
that
allow
you
to
download
the
photos
if
you
have
any
photos
or
whatnot,
but
anyway,
this
is
just
a
small
we're
hoping
what
I'll
do
is
it'll
clear
up
a
lot
of
the
confusion
that
we've
been
having
from
the
consumer
and
it'll
just
make
it
a
little
bit
more
transparent
when
it
comes
to
the
fees.
C
C
I
understand
drivers
got
to
turn
around
because
they're
looking
at
the
vehicle,
they're,
towing
and
hooking
up
to
it,
but
I
know
the
issues
you
have
there.
I
mean
I
maybe
put
it
on
the
tow
ticket
fairfax
make
us
makes
us
put
the
prices
and
consumer
affairs
information
on
the
towing
receipt.
C
But
I
I
don't
do
a
lot
and
I
don't
have
a
big,
a
big
game
in
arlington
county.
So
if
this
will
help,
I'm
guess
I'm
for
it.
I
don't
know
about
you
fred,
but
you.
E
H
Yeah,
that's
basically
what
our
goal
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
tow
complaints
in
general
and
a
lot
of
them
have
to
to
deal
with
the
fees
you
know
drop
fee,
especially
you
know.
Not
many
people
know
what
the
drop
fee
is.
So,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
our
complaints
have
to
deal
with
the
you
know.
Some
people
sometimes
overcharging
for
the
drop
fees
or
alleging
that
they
are,
and
at
least
if
we
can
put
it
out
there,
get
out
the
information
out
there.
H
At
least
that'll
help
us
with
and
help
you
guys
out
with
the
having
less
complaints.
C
H
Now
the
qr
code
goes
to,
I
think,
if
you
scan,
you
can
probably
scan
it
on
the
computer.
It'll
probably
send
you
to
it.
What
it
does
it
sends
us
to
the
on
the
county's
online
complaint
link
for
the
reporting
it.
C
H
Basically,
just
yeah,
it
basically
helps
the
the
the
citizen
out
so
that
he
doesn't
have
to
navigate
between.
Is
it
the
county
that
they
got
to
go
to?
Is
the
police
department
web
page
and
it'll
just
make
it
so
it
puts
it
in
one
spot
makes
it
a
little
easier.
H
No,
unfortunately,
that
page,
doesn't
it's
just
a
it's
like
a
it's
like
a
stock
form
for
name
address.
You
know
it
just
basically,
it's
like
a
narrative
of
like
a
quick
complaint
thing,
so
it's
not,
unfortunately,
we're
not
that
tech
savvy
yet
we're
working
on
it,
we're
working,
but
we're
not
quite
there
yet.
C
H
E
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it
at
all
being
put
on
the
trucks.
What
I
think
the
idea
is,
if
the
county
paid
for
all
the
signs,
they
should
put
this
up
on
our
toe
signs
and
then
put
the
q
code,
so
the
customer
wouldn't
even
have
to
get
up
to
the
truck.
They
could
just
scan
it
off
the
sign
sitting
at
the
entrance.
D
H
To
basically
stick
this
on
the
back
of
the
signs.
I
E
But
I
think
we
should
I
mean
you
can
take
a
vote
on
it.
You
know,
okay,
then
you
got
something
you
wanted
to
add.
A
I
do
I
just
wanted
a
few
things
before
we
move
forward,
so
I
have
I've
discussed
this
with
the
county
attorney,
and
this
is
so
while
the
county
does
not
have
specific
authority
to,
we
don't
have
direct
authority
for
these
pla,
but
it
is
implied
under
the
virginia
code
where
it
says.
Essentially
it
says
that
we,
the
governing
that
the
governing
body,
can
regulate
trespass
toes
generally.
A
So
that
was
another
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
you
all
to
see
if
if
this
actually
is
required
in
any
other
counties-
and
it
sounds
like
it's
not
so
that
was
a
question
I
had,
but
there
the
county
attorney
is
concerned
that
this
may
not
be
enforceable
in
court.
A
I
will
have
to
also
I'll
inform
the
manager
of
that
if
this,
if
you
all,
approve
this,
if
you
recommend
this
to
go
to
the
manager,
then
also
I'm
going
to
let
him
know
what
the
input
from
the
attorney
says.
I
want
to
make
sure
you
are
aware
of
that,
and
I
also
wanted
to
offer
the
idea
of
if
you
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
there
instead
of
me
instead
of
codifying
it,
we
could,
you
know
police
could
still
get
this.
A
We
get
this
printed
off
and
print
it
out
and
we
could
distribute
it
to
the
towers
and
they
could
put
it
up
in
their
in
their
trucks
voluntarily
without
having
to
actually
put
it
in
the
ordinance.
C
And
we're
required
to
have
it
on
our
gate
and
then
in
our
office
also,
so
you
know
it's
got
to
be
a
certain
size.
I
forget
what
it
is,
but
I
think
ours
is
like
36
by
48
on
the
fence
and
then
the
office.
C
A
G
I
would
just
I
would
offer
thank
you
caitlyn
for
summing
that
up
it,
there's
no
downside
to
the
t
tab
recommending
this
one
way
or
another
it'll
be
up
to
the
manager.
I
think
that
was
what
katelyn
was
trying
to
try
to
say
or
was
saying
it'll
be
up
to
the
manager
to
decide
how
this
actually
or
if
it
goes
to
the
county
board,
but.
G
B
It
I
mean
I
do
like
I
mean
you
guys
are
saying
all
the
right
stuff
right.
Like
I
mean
I
might.
The
whole
reason
I
got
involved
in
this
was
just
kind
of
clean
up
the
industry
I
mean,
even
as
as
recently
as
2019,
you
know
the
advanced
towing.
Doesn't
they
didn't
even
have
their
phone
number
on
the
side
of
their
trucks?
B
B
So
I'm
all
I'm
about
is
just
you
know,
kind
of
protecting
the
consumer.
I
feel
like
this
sign
protects
both
the
consumer
and
the
tow
truck
driver
where
the
driver
doesn't
need
to
argue
about
the
25.
B
So
I
I
mean
I
feel,
like
that's
a
legit
complaint,
but
it's
not
technically
illegal,
so
I'm
fine
with
voluntary
stuff
as
well
as
legislative
stuff,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
of
the
the
two
tow
truck
drivers
who
who
genuinely
feel
like
cleaning
up
the
industry
is
a
good
thing,
so
I
I
would
vote
yay
on
this.
If
we
took
it
to
a
vote.
E
Well,
yeah,
I
was
secure,
I
was
just
curious,
then
I
mean
you
could
put
on
there
that
credit
cards
must
be
accepted
also
if
it
makes
for
consumer
protection
better.
I
it
doesn't
bother
me
any
because
most
of
the
time
we
do
drop
fees,
we
don't
do
them.
We
just
drop
the
car.
Let
them
take
it
because
it's
not
worth
the
fight
the
aggravation,
the
headache,
because
the
time
you
spend
arguing
with
that
one
person
over
25
dollars,
you
could
have
towed
another
car
instead.
C
That's
when
all
the
fights
and
arguments
escalate
and
it's
in
the
code
that
we
have
to
accept
credit
cards
and
I
think
in
some
other
counties,
if
we
don't
take
the
credit
card,
then
we
have
to
take
their
check.
You
know
yeah,
you
know
it
should
be.
I
think
it's
a
thousand
dollar
fine
in
fairfax
county.
You
know
if
a
driver
is
caught
doing
that.
B
H
Does
our
codes
I'm
looking
it
up,
but
I
can't
find
it.
D
E
B
It
is
in
the
county
code,
it
says
the
drop
fee
has
to
be
paid
by
the
same
methods
that
are
collected
on
premises
and
then
the
on-premises
you
know
code
says
you
have
to
accept
the
top
two
major
credit
cards
or
something
well,
it's
it's.
B
Again,
they're
all
edge
cases.
I've
only
heard
three
of
these
and
they
do
thousands
of
toes
a
year.
But
you
know
the
idea
behind
all
this
stuff
is
to
try
and
you
know,
make
it
fair
for
everyone.
E
All
right:
well,
let's
take
it
to
a
vote
who
thinks
we
should
recommend
the
placard
being
put
on
the,
and
I
would
specify
it
if
it
goes
in
the
code
that
it
goes
on
the
back
driver
side
window.
C
J
Would
it
just
be
easier
in
the
long
run
to
instead
of
making
that
a
sticker
just
make
it
a
a
piece
of
paper
that
the
drivers
carry
a
stack
of
them?
And
if
somebody
wants
to
complain,
you
hand
it
to
them,
they
can
take
it
with
them,
scan
it
whenever
they
want
they're,
not
trying
to
chase
the
truck
down
to
look
for
the
q
code.
J
I
think
you
can
accomplish
the
same
thing
you're
trying
to
get
at,
and
you
know
if
it
gives
credibility
to
the
driver
if
somebody's
bitching
at
them
and
they
hand
them
this
piece
of
paper
and
say
here,
here's
what
the
county
provides
and
there's
a
way
to
make
a
complaint.
See
you
later.
C
J
G
C
J
Know
they
could
carry
the
laminated
copy
for
themselves
and
then
have
a
stack
of
the
form
to
hand
out
to
people
that
confront
them
and
complain.
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
the
stickers
easier
or
harder,
because
it
you
know
it
unless
you
make
it
12
12
inches
by
12
inches
or
something
it's
going
to
be
too
small.
To
read.
J
H
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
with
the
the
reason
we
went
with
the
sticker
route
for
this
design
was,
unfortunately,
some
of
the
operators
in
the
county
aren't
giving
out
the
receipts
because
they
say
they
don't
have
them
in
their
trucks.
H
And
what
we're
worried
about
is
that
they'll
say
the
exact
same
thing
when
it
comes
to
this,
but
I
do
like
the
suggestion
of
putting
them
on
the
back
of
the
signs.
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
looking
at
doing
as
well,
so
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
chase
down
the
truck,
but
at
least
the
truck
has
the
information
on
it,
as
well
as
the
signs
just
to
be
able
to
so
that
people
can
visually
see
it.
H
I
mean
it.
It
is
not
a
very
large
sticker,
but
it
should
be
pretty
clearly
visible
when
we,
when
I
tested
it
out,
just
printed
out
one
copy
for
myself
it
at
night
time
it
was
pretty
visible
and
with
the
type
of
paper
that
we
use
for
the
taxi
cabs,
which
will
be
this,
it
would
be
the
same
format
and
same
style
that
we
use
for
the
taxicabs
at
night.
H
When
you
hit
it
with
a
light,
it
did
it'll
shine
back
it'll,
give
you
a
little
clear
view,
but
I
mean
I
think
the
sticker's
probably
the
better
route
to
go
right
now,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
you
guys
wanna,
you
know,
I
think
the
sticker
would
be
easier,
but
then
have
a
little
bit
less
confusion.
But.
E
I
know
there's
a
trend
going,
they're
stealing
become
paperless
for
tow
operators
and
they
should
be
able
to
like.
If
you
pick
your
carpet
dealership
nowadays,
they'll
text,
you
the
receipt
or
email
you
the
receipt
for
what
you
you
know
for
your
purchase.
Are
they
doing
that
or
they
just
refusing
to
hand
out
anything.
H
Basically,
what
happens
is
they'll
get
an
emailed
receipt
if
they
request
it
from
the
office,
so
it
was.
You
know.
D
H
Not
like
not
what
we
wanted
to
see
happen,
but
unfortunately,
that
you
know
was
one
of
the
complaints
that
we
received.
So
unfortunately,
we
can't
put
everything
on
a
sticker
on
the
back
of
your
truck.
It
would
be
like
a
mile
long,
but
I
I
think
this
will
help
mitigate
a
lot
of
our
issues
that
we
specifically
have
here
in
arlington
county.
B
B
E
B
But
I
mean
that
thought
just
occurs
to
me,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
these
specific
complaints
are
from
the
end
users,
or
you
know
the
the
the
drivers,
but
I
mean
a
big
part
of
this
sticker-
is
to
protect
the
driver
and
to
inform
the
the
resident
you
know
but
like
if,
if,
if
you
catch
the
driver
truck
side,
while
in
the
middle
of
a
tow-
and
it's
already
up
on
the
the
lift,
the
only
fee
that's
relevant
to
you-
is
that
25
drop
fee
right
correct.
B
C
D
I
I
believe
that
drop
fee
is
key
for
people
to
know,
because
there
have
been
very
recently
several
incidents
that
I've
dealt
with,
that
have
to
do
with
the
drop
fee
and
the
citizen,
not
knowing
what
the
drop
fee
was
and
then
paid
quite
a
bit
more
than
what
was
actually.
E
F
This
latasha,
so
I
think
I
guess
I
have
a
concern
if
we're
going
to
this
type
of
approach,
I
understand
absolutely
that
you
would
like
to
as
the
total
truck
operator.
You
want
to
be.
B
The
problem
there
is
that
the
driver
is
responsible
for
collecting
that
fee
and
and
that's
where
the
fights
come
in,
where
the
driver
says
all
right,
give
me
25
bucks
and
I'll
drop.
Your
car,
like
they're,
still
going
to
have
to
interact
between
them.
So
the
the
point
I
think
of
this
placard
is
to
say
the
driver
is
like
hey,
I'm
not
just
making
up
this
fee
and
you're
going
to
bribe
me
for
25
bucks.
B
To
give
me
your
car
back,
here's
the
sign
that
says:
arlington
county
authorizes
this
fee,
so
the
driver
they
still
have
to
interact
with
each
other.
If
you
know,
if
they're
going
to
accept
that
trophy
at
all,
I
mean
we've
seen
where
you
know
some
unscrupulous
drivers
overcharge
for
it
or
they
claim
they
don't
accept
credit
cards
or
you
know
whatever
it
is.
I
think
that's
the.
F
And-
and
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
I'm
what
my
I
totally
understand,
what
you're
saying
on
the
reason
why
it's
needed.
My
suggestion
is
that
if
you
go
with
the
route
of
being
able
to
hand
them
something
and
separate
for
them
and
give
an
opportunity
to
read
it
versus
them
being
in
your
space
of
being
at
the
truck
at
that
time,
it'll
just
allow
them
an
opportunity
to
truly
read
it
versus
you
feel
intimidated
as
the
driver
of
the
tow
truck
or
even
as
a
citizen,
because
you're
in
a
closed
proximity.
C
I
agree
you
know
if
we're
gonna,
if
we're
gonna
go
for
a
raise
to
the
state
rate,
then
we
have
to
step
up
our
game
a
little
bit.
So
I
would.
I
would
be
willing
to
put
that
in
the
back
of
my
truck
just
to
you
know,
to
make
things
more
people
more
safer
and
feel
more
safer,
and
you
know
that's
what
I
agree
on.
E
Okay,
let's
take
it
for
a
vote.
Do
we
recommend
so
all
in
favor
of
recommending
that
the
placard
be
put
on
the
trucks
say:
aye
hi,
hi,.
A
Yeah
back
to
you,
fred,
yeah,.
E
A
Right
so
now
that
so
we
so
we
have
three,
the
three
motions
that
were
put
tonight
were
all
approved,
so
myself
and
ben
we're
going
to
take
all
this
and
the
next
steps
are
to.
I
we're
going
to
set
up
a
meeting
with
the
manager
to
we're
going
to
display
and
go
over
everything
that
the
tab
has
recommended
this
year,
and
then
he
will
make
his
decisions
on
what
to
bring
to
the
county
board
and
we're
if
and
we're
looking
at
a
timeline
of.
A
A
We
have
to
advertise
everything,
that's
going
to
be
changed,
and
then,
if
that
goes
through,
then
the
february
county
board
meeting
will
be
the
meeting
where
all
of
these
changes
that
are
brought
forward
will
be
voted
on.
Just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
has
those
dates
and
expectations
in
mind.
E
A
Right
so
yeah
how
about
that
after
I
don't
have
we
don't
have
a
meeting
set
up
yet,
but
we
are
because
obviously
we
have
to
hold
this
meeting
first.
So
after
we
meet
with
him,
I
will
send
an
email
out
to
all
of
you
all
to
let
you
know
how
it
went
and
what's
going
forward
and
what
is
not.
How
does
that
sound.
D
A
G
I
think
they
can
adopt
it
the
changes
and
they
would
be
effective
immediately
upon
adoption,
but
we
can
we'll
verify
that
for
everybody.
Okay,
thank.