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B
I
guess
we
are:
there
are
people
to
go
with
the
county
board
or
are
we?
It
looks
like
we
see
kendra's
screen,
but
I
don't
think
everyone's
there.
So
is
that
what
we're
waiting
on.
C
There
there
there
may
be
nicole,
I'm
not
able
on
my
screen
to
scroll.
So
all
we've
seen
are
the
the
first
three,
whereas.
C
Yeah,
I
think
you
can
you
can
move
past
the
that
extensive
collection
of
footnotes
yeah
leave
it
leave
it
there
for
a
bit.
Alan
we're
in
we're
in
regular
touch
with
the
county
and
and
we've
been
following
this
through
the
lubber
run
group
that
that's
really
jumped
on
this
and.
C
D
F
B
Yeah,
usually
we'll
we'll
make
sure
that
everyone
has
a
chance
to
read
it
and
that
will
assign
it
to
any
other
committees
that
might
have
jurisdiction.
I
think
that
this
is
in
public
services
at
the
moment,
if
you
know
people
like
housing
or
planning
have
input,
usually
they
can
just
provide
some
over
email
via
redline
or
if
any
of
you
have
thoughts
when
it
gets
forwarded
in
the
newsletter
you
can
reach
out
to
john,
his
email
will
be
on
that
newsletter.
C
G
Can
you
are
we
going
until
8
30?
Is
that
right.
G
Begin
by
thanking
you
in
particular
mr
gadrihara,
but
but
also
all
of
the
civic
federation
colleagues,
for
being
flexible
on
the
timing,
we
we're
joking.
We
have
an
emergency
within
an
emergency
with
the
snow
and
we
really
appreciate
you
all
being
so
willing
to
flex
your
meeting
so
that
we
could
do
it
together
tonight
so
good
evening.
For
those
who
don't
know
me,
I'm
katie
crystal.
I
have
the
pleasure
of
chairing
this
board
for
2022,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
facilitate
my
colleagues.
G
We
have
a
series
of
questions
from
you
all
that
we've
grouped
in
the
area
of
affordable
housing
with
barcroft,
in
particular,
the
conversion
of
aging
buildings
to
residential
personal
data
and
data
security,
liability
insurance
for
commissions,
county
board,
again
with
production
of
personal
data,
and
then
some
cip
and
financial
questions
related
to
barcroft
and
we're
each
prepared
to
take
the
lead
on
one
bucket
of
those
questions.
Well,
we'll
try
to
do
that
as
quickly
as
we
can
so
that
we
can
go
to
questions
from
the
floor.
G
As
you
indicated,
alan
so
really
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
barcroft.
I
know
that
that
the
civic
federation
has
been
chewing
this
over,
as
have
we
since
action
last
month
to
appropriate
a
150
million
loan
to
the
acquisition
and
stabilization
of
our
croft
apartments.
G
We
received
a
number
of
questions
in
the
housing
committee
that
I
think
could
generally
be
interpreted
as
how
does
barcraft
fit
in
or
speak
to
or
displace
other
priorities
from
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
and
so
I
think
that
the
the
very
first
thing
I
want
to
begin
is
by
highlighting
that,
certainly
in
my
time
on
the
board,
I
would
argue,
since
the
adoption
of
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
in
2015,
there
has
been
no
single
action
that
realizes
as
many
of
the
master
plans
policy
goals
from
the
very
first
objective,
which
is
you
know,
1.1.1
encourage
the
construction
and
preservation
of
affordable
rental
housing,
followed
by
making
every
effort
to
prevent
the
loss
of
market
rate,
affordable
housing.
G
This
project
prevents
the
loss
of
1
344
market
rate
units
by
stabilizing
them
as
committed,
affordable.
Other
policies
in
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
are
to
encourage
affordability
periods
of
60
years
or
more,
as
you
all
likely
know,
the
affordability
period
in
this
project
is
99
years
plus
and
a
recognition
as
well.
The
affordable
housing
master
plan
had
the
goal
of
encouraging
three-bedroom
plus
affordable
rental
units,
which
we
are
very
short
supply
in
the
county.
G
It
is
to
say
the
least,
unusual
to
realize
something
like
47
three-bedroom
plus
units,
which
is
what
barcraft
has
available
to
say
nothing
of
considerably
more
in
the
hundreds
two-bedrooms
it
produces
committed,
affordable
rental
units
within
transit
corridors.
Of
course,
we
know
the
pike
is
one
of
the
richest
transit
corridors
in
the
county.
All
of
that
is
just
goal
number
one.
So
I
won't
belabor
the
point,
but
I,
but
really
the
one
I
wanted
to
emphasize
is
how
very
much
aligned
to
the
affordable
housing
master
plan.
G
This
purchase
is-
and
I
think
speaking
at
least
for
myself-
and
I
suspect
for
my
colleagues-
that's
what
gave
us
confidence
to
move
so
quickly.
It
is
also
very
much
aligned
with
the
columbia
pike
neighborhoods
plan,
which
also
spoke
to
the
goal
of
preserving
a
hundred
percent
of
at
the
time
of
adoption
over
six
thousand
market
rate
units.
G
You
know
the
housing
committee
also
asked
me
to
speak
to
the
goal
of
just
geographic
distribution,
and
I
did
want
to
call
out
what
I
found
to
be
a
relatively
concerning
misunderstanding
of
the
goal
of
geographic
distribution
in
the
question
which
characterized
the
barcroft
action,
as
quote
an
action
of
concentrating
additional
units
on
the
west
end
of
the
pike,
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
really
clarify
that
preservation
of
units
is
not
concentration
of
affordable
units
to
imply
that
it
is
actually
suggest
that
geographic
distribution
as
a
goal
could
only
be
achieved
if
we
intentionally
lost
affordable
housing
as
a
pike
resident.
G
I
think
I
speak
for
all
of
my
colleagues.
This
is
not
only
aligned
with
the
or
this
would
be
not
only
counter
to
the
goals
of
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
and
the
pike
neighborhoods
plan.
It
would
be
counted
our
values,
which
is
that
we
want
our
neighbors
to
be
able
to
stay
on
columbia.
Pike,
so
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know
that
this
is
not
about
concentrating
units
anywhere.
G
Personally,
I've
supported
the
goal
of
geographic
distribution,
not
because
I
think
we
should
have
less
affordable
housing
on
columbia
pika,
because
I
think
every
neighborhood
in
arlington
should
benefit
from
the
type
of
diversity
and
integration
that
we
have
and
it's
been
a
hallmark
of
columbia,
pike
and
just
wanted
to
highlight.
We've
really
made
great
progress
in
that
area.
We
have
the
most
recently
published
set
of
indicators
is
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
but
it's
the
following
has
been
consistent
with
trends
throughout
2020
and
2021..
G
In
the
first
few
years
of
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
the
board
voted
to
help
finance
about
1500
committed,
affordable
units,
nearly
1400
of
which
about
90
percent
were
outside
of
columbia,
pike
and
100
of
which
were
outside
of
the
west
end
of
columbia,
pike,
so
that
dedication
to
really
ensuring
that
every
neighborhood
can
benefit
from
committed,
affordable
housing
and
the
and
the
rich
integration
that
can
bring
of
our
neighborhoods
has
been
a
real
goal.
For
us.
G
You
know
what
this
meant:
visa
v
other
priorities
under
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
which
I
sort
of
took
to
me,
and
you
know
what
else
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
finance,
for
example,
if
this
represents
constraints
on
our
ahif,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
fair
question
and
one
that
we
will
go
about
considering
as
part
of
our
analysis
of
the
pipeline
of
projects
that
we
come
forward
under
our
notice
of
funding
available
for
future.
Affordable
housing
investment
fund
monies.
G
But
one
of
the
things
I
did
want
to
note
is
that
the
the
master
plan
called
on
county
government
to
explore
new
financing
resources,
including
public
private
partnerships,
and
so
what's
really
exciting
about
this-
is
that
the
the
150
million
line
of
credit
that
we
have
approved
is
going
to
be
leveraged
by
a
160
million
loan
from
amazon
and
over
20
million
dollars
in
private
equity.
G
So
this
is
really
about
leveraging
and
bringing
new
resources
to
the
table
so
that,
as
we
continue
to
have
resources
available
to
to
to
spend
county
wide,
we're
growing
the
pie
of
what
can
be
spent
on
affordable
housing.
I
am
going
to
conclude
the
comments
about
barcroft
there.
Although
look
forward
to
questions
from
the
floor,
if
there
are
further,
certainly
a
number
of
additional
follow-ups
from
the
the
housing
committee
on
which
we
could
spend
some
time.
G
One
other
point
on
housing
and
I'll
invite
my
colleague,
ms
garvey,
to
speak
to
this
too,
because
this
is
an
area
she's
been
interested
in
checking
in
on
accessory
dwellings.
So
a
little
bit
of
data,
the
housing
committee
had
asked
for
how
many
properties
had
been
permitted
and
built,
and
since
between
january
2018,
which
is
when
our
2017
amendments
went
into
effect,
which
was
the
detached
excuse
me,
the
interior,
accessory
dwellings
and
june
30
of
2019
ten
dwellings
were
approved.
G
Seven
of
those
ten
were
within
the
main
dwelling
and
three
were
conversions
of
existing
accessory
dwellings
into
detached
accessory
dwellings,
accessory
buildings
and
to
detach
accessory
dwellings
and
then,
since
the
date
of
the
20
effective
date
of
the
2019
amendment,
the
zoning
division
has
approved
63
accessory
dwellings
32
within
the
main
dwelling
and
31
detached.
The
housing
committee
had
some
great
questions
about
essentially
how
these
are
performing,
how
the
owners
are
using
them,
who
who
is
renting
them?
What
are
the
rents
charged
all
fabulous
questions?
G
This
is
probably
a
great
opportunity
to
note,
though,
that
that
buy,
right
and
private
uses
are
not
required
to
collect
and
report
data
on
demographics
or
their
their
rents
charged
or
who's
living
there.
So
it
does
represent
a
pretty
significant
outlay
of
housing
resources
to
go
and
collect
this
research,
given
that
it's
been
just
a
couple
of
years,
since
the
passage
of
the
amendment
and
the
the
relatively
small
number
all
together,
these
93
units
are
less
than
0.1
percent
of
our
housing
stock.
G
We
will
probably
not
be
conducting
that
level
of
analysis
to
find
out
whether
the
units
are
being
rented
for
families
or
other
renters
or
the
average
rent
for
probably
another
couple
years
would
be
my
guess,
but
they
were
good
questions
to
ask
ms
garvey.
If
there's
anything,
you
wanted
to
add.
I
Not
not
actually
too
much.
I
I
actually
set
myself
the
goal
of
making
a
little
tour
of
arlington
and
and
looking
at
some
of
the
ex
the
detached
accessory
dwelling
units
and
my
holidays
got
kind
of
wrapped
up
in
some
family
issues
I
had
to
deal
with,
so
I
didn't
get
as
much
time
to
drive
around
as
I
thought
I
would,
but
I
did
look
at
eight
different
ones
in
a
couple
different
areas
in
the
county
and
I
plan
to
do
more.
I
I
just
wasn't
able
to
do
them
quickly
over
the
holidays
and
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
was
how
hard
it
was
to
find
them
or
see
them
in
most
cases
and
kind
of
what
prompted
this
was
someone
calling
me
for
a
a
dwelling
going
up
an
adu
going
up
in
the
backyard
next
to
her
backyard
and
being
upset
about
how
it
towered
over
her
backyard,
and
I
went
and
visited
there,
and
I
could
see
that
that
was
kind
of.
I
could
understand
that
issue
and
I
thought
well
how's
this
going
on
elsewhere.
I
So
I
started
you
know
going
as
I
say,
kind
of
driving
around
and
looking,
and
I
think
it
may
vary
on
on
where,
where
these
dwellings
go
up,
but
I
sort
of
made
myself
reassured
myself
that
in
most
cases
these
accessory
dwelling
units
going
up
they
don't
they
don't
stand
out
that
much
and
in
fact,
as
as
miss
crystal
said,
a
lot
of
them
are.
Some
of
them
have
been
converted
like
garages
that
existed
and
then
they
changed
them.
And
if
you
know
and
many
times
you
don't
even
notice
it.
I
I
took
you
know,
pictures
from
different
angles
and
stuff
and
it
just
kind
of
blends
in
like
another.
You
know
another
garage
or
something
like
that.
So
that
was
just
to
reassure
myself,
because
you
know
we
are
starting
to
do
quite
a
bit
more,
which
I
think
is
good.
I
think
these
questions
as
miss
chris,
so
these
are
great
ones
about
sort
of
the
survey
about
how
they're
being
used.
I
I
will
also
remark,
though,
that
you
could
have
a
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
built
for
an
aging
relative
and
then,
if
that
aging
relative
passes
on
then
what
are
you
going
to
do
with
it
could
be
for
a
young
person.
It
could
be
for
a
rental
I
mean,
so
these
things
will
kind
of
change
which
is
kind
of
the
point
of
missing
middle
and
what
we're
looking
at
is
actually
to
give
people
more
flexibility
to
adapt
to
their
needs
as
life
change.
I
You
know
as
their
lives
change,
and
I
think
that
that
will
be
a
benefit,
but
it
would
be
good
to
have
this
data,
but
it
would
be
just
a
snapshot
in
time
because
that
could
change.
So
those
are
just
some
some
personal
observations
and
I'm
sure
we
could
you
know
anybody
else
wants
to
take
a
tour
around
arlington.
Looking
at
some
of
these
they're
welcome
to
join
me
if
they
like.
Let
me
know-
and
I
hope
to
continue
that,
but
so
far
I
actually
was
feeling
reassured
about
it.
Thank.
E
Yeah
after
I
take
off
my
mask,
so
that's
an
excellent
question,
because
this
is
really
about
innovation.
It
is
not
easy.
I
mean
it's,
it's
widely
known
that
really
for
for
nobody
who
knows
how
construction
works,
it's
not
easy
to
convert
a
commercial
building
into
a
residential
use.
I
mean,
as
a
an
old
friend
I
had
who
was
a
construction
expert.
He
said
think
about
the
plumbing
first,
and
that's
that's
actually
true
and
everything
else.
E
So
it's
it's
quite
an
expensive
proposition
to
do
that
now,
of
course,
we
have
a
persistent,
unfortunately
persistent
office
vacancy
rate.
We
have
some
aging
properties,
many
of
them.
We
have
a
a
you
know
a
a
an
inventory
of
those.
So,
of
course
we
are
thinking
about
that
and
I
and
actually
during
the
pandemic.
As
you
know,
the
new
normals
were
succeeding,
one
the
other
staff
had
presented
in
in
may
and
september
2021
staff
presented
about
presented
about
the
potential
of
of
doing
that
and
what
the
role
would
be
in
these
efforts.
E
So
the
the
question
was:
what
will
be?
What
how
how
how
should
the
county
position
itself
so
that
we
don't
make
it
very
difficult
when
we
don't
make
it
impossible,
etc?
It
should
be
noted,
though,
and-
and
there
is
also
an
administrative
guidance
on
this
since
december
2020,
which
tells
you
a
lot
about
how
recent
this
thinking
is.
E
The
question
is
more
how
difficult
it
is
and
how
how
many
developers
want
this
to
do
and
how
the
on
our
side,
our
planning,
is
predictable
and
able
to
accommodate
these
wishes
and
these
these
plants,
and
actually
we
are
in
a
good
place.
We
can
do
that
what
we
should
be
looking
at-
and
I
believe
this
is
where
the
question
goes-
is
looking
at
potential
zoning
changes,
making
building
some
more
flexibility
where
it
is
appropriate,
etc.
I
believe
that
this
thinking
is
going
on.
Our
planning
department
has
mentioned
that
several
times.
E
It
is
not
at
the
very
high
at
the
highest
point.
There
are
in
their
very
crowded
task
lists,
but
it
is
there,
and
I
believe
that
we
will
see
it
in
front
of
us
several
times
there
have.
There
have
been
some
quite
important
conversions
lately.
Some
conversions
are
coming
in
front
to
us,
especially
along
richmond
highway
and
in
general.
The
concept
of
I
would
like
to
add
to
that
that
the
concept
of
adaptive
reuse
is
not
only
the
conversion
of
office
to
residential.
E
There
are
other
uses
that
we
can,
that
that
would
go
under
that,
but
the
question
was
about
office
to
residential,
so
we
are
open
to
that.
We
see
how
and
but
the
market
will
tell
us
how
urgent
and
how
pressing
the
need
will
be.
G
A
recurring
issue
I
know
of
interest
for
civic
federation
is
liability
insurance.
So
I'm
going
to
call
him,
mr
deferenti,
to
address
a
question
that
came
from
the
I
believe.
Maybe
general
government
affairs
committee.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
think
there
this
might
be
prompted
by
the
new
police
civilian
oversight
board
as
a
question,
but
generally
the
simple
answer
is
that
actions
on
a
commission
are
protected
under.
There
are
a
general
liability
policy.
I
know
that
that
is
true
of
civilian
oversight
board.
J
I
have
heard
a
similar
question
asked
in
the
past
about
commissions,
from
the
civic
civ
fed
and
from
others
about
whether
your
actions
on
the
housing
commission
or
your
actions
on
any
commission
would
be
covered
and
as
long
as
it's
within
the
scope
of
policy
advice
and
what
the
mission's
mission
of
the
commission
is,
then
it
would
be
covered.
That's
my
understanding
and
I'm
getting
a
nod
from
our
county
attorney.
J
J
If
you
it's
also
true
with
respect
to
the
board,
a
lot
of
the
actual
implementation
of
the
work
is
staff's
purview
and
staff's
focus.
So
I
understand
where
the
commission,
the
question
comes
from
in
the
past
as
well
as
why
it
has
come
up
again
you're
covered.
I
will
say
that
it's
nearly
self-evident
and
correct
me.
J
Our
attorney
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
if
it's
fully
out,
if
you
do
something
wrong
and
it's
fully
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
commission,
you
know
you
you
get
in
an
accident
improperly,
then
that
would
not
be
covered.
But
that
is
the
facts
there.
It
would
be
so
clear
that
it
wasn't
inside
so
you're
covered
for
the
actions
that
you
would
take
on
the
civilian
oversight
board
or
other
commissions.
G
I
Yes,
more
or
less,
and
I
think
I'll
get
so
the
the
question
we
got
was:
do
we
have
a
does
the
county
have
a
position
or
team
responsible
for
ensuring
the
protection
of
personal
data
collected
by
the
county?
If
so,
is
there
an
outside
30
or
if
so,
is
there
an
outside
third
party
auditor
ensures
guidelines
are
being
followed,
so
we
do
have
a
chief
data
officer
and
that
her
name
is
jamie
lease
and
she
was
appointed
that
position
in
may
2019..
I
The
division
also
consists
of
the
county's
chief
information
security
officer
called
a
ciso
ciso
jeff
taylor
and
a
chief
records
officer,
david
moda,
in
terms
of
compliance
and
oversight,
dts
engaged
by
the
way,
the
governor
of
virginia's
commonwealth
cyber
security
initiative
team
to
provide
us
with
validation
and
guidance
as
we
go
ahead
and
build
our
data
privacy
principles.
We
are
working
on
that
and
our
commission,
the
itac,
is
also
providing
important
advisory
and
an
oversight
role.
I
I
I
Since
that
time,
the
staff
from
the
department
of
technology
services
and
the
county
managers,
communications
and
public
engagement
team
have
worked
collaboratively
to
develop
various
privacy
principles
and
those
helped
inform
what
became
the
terms
and
conditions
for
the
county's
website,
and
that
includes
conditions
for
protection
of
personal
information
later
next
week.
Actually,
this
is
timely.
I
Also,
you
know:
we've
worked
on
on
having
data
under
the
virginia
foia
act
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
there's
opt-in
and
opt-out,
and
actually
we
were
grateful
that
the
virginia
foia
folks,
they
strengthened
privacy
protections
regarding
opt-in
versus
opt
out
for
personal
contact
information
that's
submitted,
and
this
is
something
we
keep
in
mind
a
lot.
I
mean
I've
been
on
the
board.
While
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about.
I
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
come
up,
because
this
is
a
new
era,
a
new
area
and
and
a
lot
of
the
laws
go
back
to
the
20th
century
and
we're
well
into
the
21st
right
now.
So
we're
also,
you
know,
working
to
continue
to
work
on
that.
I
But
I
thought
I
talked
just
really
briefly
about
the
other
issue
here
which
wasn't
really
mentioned,
but
it
seems
to
me
important,
and
that
is
simply
data
security
and
we
have
been
updating
our
overall
data
security
for
the
whole
government
and
we've
been
doing
that
pretty
regularly
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that,
because
this
is
a
a
an
area
that
changes
rapidly
and
for
outside
consultants.
I
We
we
have
brought
in
outside
consultants
that
are
experts
in
cyber
security
and
ask
them
to
try
to
hack
into
our
system
and
try
to
dig
into
it
and
find
it,
and
they
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
here
at
times
digging
in
and
doing
everything
they
could
to
break
in
and
we
weren't
perfect.
But
we
were
pretty
good
and
you
know
picked
up
some
things
that
we
need
to
correct
and
that's
something
that
we
continue
to
do
too.
I
So
this
is
an
ever-evolving
area
and
we
will
continue
to
work
with
civ
fed
and
others
on
the
personal
privacy
issues
and
trying
to
get
updated.
You
know,
as
they
say,
foia
and
other
kinds
of
regulations
which,
as
I
say,
sometimes
sometimes
come
from
the
20th
century
and
we're
well
into
the
21st.
So
it's
a
rapidly
moving
area.
We
appreciate
the
interest
and
hope
you'll
continue
to
follow
it
and
and
would
appreciate
advice,
particularly
when
we
get
out
more
information
next
week.
G
Thanks
so
much
ms
garvey,
I
particularly
appreciated
your
point
about
really
naming
that
tension
of
two
values
that
we
hold-
and
I
know
the
civ
fed
holds
as
well,
which
is
transparency
on
the
one
hand
right
and
then
data
security
or
protection
of
personally
identifying
information
on
the
other.
So
it's
a
the
goal
to
try
to
find
the
right
balance
of
those
two
things
guides
us
and,
I
suspect,
guides
members
of
the
sim
fed
committees
as
well.
G
Okay,
I
think
our
I
hesitate
to
call
them
last,
because
there
were
considerably
more
questions
than
we
were
answering,
so
I
suspect
there
may
be
some
follow-up,
but
there
were
a
number
of
questions
about
the
implications
of
the
bar
craft
purchase
on
the
overall
credit
rating
of
the
county,
the
capital
improvement
plan
for
the
county
and
perhaps
also
a
few
who
knew
what,
when
type
questions
as
well,
that
mr
dorsey
is
going
to
to
take
our
first
crack
at
answering.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
I'll
try
to
go
through
these
quickly
and
certainly
open
in
any
more
elaboration
during
our
q
a
period
so
the
first
one
is
relatively
easy.
People
want
to
know:
what's
the
schedule
for
community
consideration
and
board
consideration
of
the
capital
improvement
plan
this
year,
it's
going
to
follow
the
typical
schedule.
So
after
the
operating
budget
is
considered
and
adopted
in
april,
then
we
turn
to
the
month
of
may
where
the
manager
will
introduce
his
proposed
capital
improvement
plan.
K
We
will
then
have
a
couple
of
months
of
community
conversation
work
sessions
surrounding
the
cip
before
hopeful
adoption
by
the
board
in
july.
Then,
let's
see
why
don't
we
get
to
just
the
number
of
questions
really
about
the
sort
of
financing
approach
for
for
barcroft,
and
so
one
were
other
sources
of
financial
assistance
considered?
K
What
about
using
the
reserve
funds
in
the
affordable
housing
investment
account
in
order
to
fund
the
the
barcroft
acquisition
so
one?
Yes,
you
know
county
staff
considered
all
manner
of
financing
opportunities.
K
We
are
fairly
limited
as
a
local
government
into
ways
that
ways
in
which
we
could
go
about
pursuing
this
type
of
financing
arrangement
with
those
limited
options
which
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
more
in
response
to
subsequent
questions.
K
The
specific
request
here
that
we
think
about
a
have
balances
and
funds
that
are
designated
as
reserves
would
come
at
a
tremendous
cost.
We
know
from
the
annual
review
that
we
undertake
with
the
credit
rating
agencies
that
arlington
is
given
a
lot
of
latitude
in
order
to
maintain
relatively
low
levels
of
liquidity
compared
to
peer
jurisdictions
because
of
the
overall
way
in
which
we
have
stewarded
our
community
financially.
K
That
said,
if
we
were
to
do
what
would
be
one
of
the
cardinal
sins
for
the
ratings
agencies
of
you
know
funding
this
type
of
acquisition
by
depleting
our
reserves
without
a
plan
to
pay
it
back
next
year.
That
would
almost
certainly
based
on
the
guidance
that
we've
heard
in
the
past
result
in
some
sort
of
an
action
to
to
downgrade,
or
at
least
put
a
warning
on
the
county's
credit
worthiness.
As
it
looks,
the
next
question
is
about.
K
Let
me
just
make
sure
I
got
this
here.
Why
has
the
county
gone
and
used
a
taxable
line
of
credit,
as
opposed
to
a
lower
tax
exempt
rate,
since
the
purchase
is
for
affordable
housing
not
to
be
pedagogical
here
or
pedantic,
but
the
county
can
go
about
financing
this
kind
of
operation
with
either.
You
know
one
appropriation
of
lump
sum
funds.
We
didn't
have
that
we
can
issue
general
obligation
bonds.
We
couldn't
do
that
because
we
had
passed
the
window
for
advertising
general
obligation
bonds
to
the
community.
K
We
could
pursue
it
through
revenue
bonds,
but
unfortunately
this
is
not
our
project,
so
any
revenues
that
the
project
will
generate
will
go
to
others
before
it
could
be
made
available
for
our
financing,
and
then
we
also
have
the
ability
to
pursue
subject
to
appropriation
funding,
which
essentially,
is
the
county
board,
deciding
on
an
annual
basis
that
it's
going
to
back
the
debt
service
for
an
instrument.
County
staff
has
worked
out
a
line
of
credit
to
be
that
instrument.
That
is
the
financing
vehicle
for
barcroft.
K
That's
that's!
Really
our
our
best
option
for
this
and
that's
going
to
come
at
a
higher
rate
of
interest
than
the
more
secure
tax
exempt
municipal
bonds
with
which
we
would
fund
long-term
projects.
K
That
said
at
some
point
in
the
future,
once
we
have
a
permanent
master
development
plan,
there
very
well
may
be
a
desire
to
convert
any
debt
remaining
into
another
instrument,
like
general
obligation,
bonds,
it's
just
too
early
in
the
process
for
us
to
make
that
determination.
At
this
point,
let's
see-
and
I
believe
there
was
a
couple
of
other
questions
that
I'll
address
quickly,
how
will
this
line
of
credit
affect
the
county's
credit
rating,
like
like
everything
that
we
do
financially?
K
This
will
be
part
of
the
analysis
that
the
ratings
agencies
make
when
they
kick
the
tires
on
the
county's
credit
worthiness
in
the
year
ahead.
It
will
factor
into
whatever
their
their
ratio
ratios
are
for
determining
our
rating.
But
that
said,
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this.
It's
a
150
million
dollar
line
of
credit,
but
the
debt
service,
at
least
in
the
first
couple
of
years,
is
actually
covered
by
the
interest
payments
due
from
gyre
lynch.
K
So
in
the
very
first
year
we
expect
that
those
interest
payments
will
fully
cover
the
debt
service
in
the
second
year.
It's
going
to
cover,
if
not
all
of
it
leave
a
very
little
remainder,
giving
us
a
couple
of
years
to
figure
out
what
are
the
ways
in
which
we're
financing
the
debt
service
for
the
five
years
of
this
instrument
before
we
hopefully
have
a
master,
financing
and
development
plan,
which
is
giving
us
some
greater
long-term
certainty.
So,
at
least
for
the
foreseeable
future.
K
We
don't
anticipate
that
this
will
have
any
significant
impact
and
then,
if
the
county
were
to
default,
what
would
be
the
impact
very
bad,
very
bad,
but
we're
not
going
to
so
that
shouldn't
be
a
worry.
A
H
G
G
That
concludes
our
attempt
at
a
whirlwind
tour
through
the
the
good
questions
of
the
committee,
we're
happy
to
take
any
follow-up
if
we
didn't
sufficiently
answer
those
committees,
questions
or
if
there
are
other
general
questions
from
the
floor
of
the
civic
federation,
I
believe
we've
got
about
20
minutes
for
that.
So
over.
G
A
Thank
you,
so
I
would
like
to
call
on
suzanne
sonberg.
Are
you
still
on?
I
know
you
submitted
several
of
the
questions
through
the
rna
committee.
Is
there
a
follow-up
that
you'd
like
to
ask
based
on
the
responses
that
you
heard.
D
Yes,
thank
you.
I
I
would
I'm
a
little
bit
interested
in
hearing
more
about
the
suddenness
with
which
this
proposal
was
put
forth.
G
D
Okay,
all
right,
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
about
the
process
for
this.
It
was
done
on
an
emergency
basis
and
there
was
no
public
process
on
the
front
end.
D
I'm
just
curious
what
the
justification
for
that
was,
especially
considering
the
the
huge
amount
that's
being
spent
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
even
know
all
the
partners.
There
were
a
lot.
It
seemed
to
be
a
lot
of
names,
a
lot
of
investors
whose
identities
were
not
we're,
not
clear
I'll
put
it
that
way,
and
I
was
wondering
if
this
had
anything
to
do
with
the
fact
that
this
is
an
opportunity
zone.
D
K
K
This
is
a
private
landowner
who
put
his
property
on
the
market,
pursued
a
process
very
similar
to
what
is
commonly
being
done
right
now
solicited
bids
from
from
from
at
large
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
day,
chose
someone
as
the
purchaser
and
gave
that
purchaser
purchaser
some
time
to
put
together
partners
for
the
deal.
So
in
this
case
the
purchaser
is
jair
lynch
enterprises
or
whatever
gyro
lynch
partners.
K
I
believe,
and
we
are
helping
the
acquisition
with
a
150
150
million
dollar
loan
he's
also
secured
a
loan
from
amazon
in
the
amount
of
160
million
dollars
and
has
got
financing
to
make
up
the
rest,
in
addition
to
equity
that
they
bring
to
the
table.
So
those
are
the
players
and
we
discussed
those
in
december.
K
So
there
is
no
secret
to
that
at
all
in
terms
of
the
speed
that
was
all
because
of
the
private
land
owner
who
initiated
a
request
for
bids,
I
believe,
sometime
in
october,
and
had
a
desire
to
close
by
the
end
of
the
year
2021.
So
the
speed
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
county,
but
everything
to
do
with
the
private
purchaser,
which
leads
to,
I
think,
the
essence
of
your
question.
K
Why
did
this
sort
of
happen
without
broader
engagement
or
public
conversation,
and
I
would
say
that
that
would
just
be
very
unusual
for
any
kind
of
real
estate
transaction,
let
alone
one
as
complex
as
the
one
I
just
described
for
there
to
be
a
public
negotiation
and
discussion
of
involvement
in
that
real
estate
transaction?
That's
really
unheard
of
it.
K
Wouldn't
would
never
work
and
certainly
would
have
probably
created
lots
of
of
issues
far
greater
than
than
anything
we're
dealing
with
in
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
plan
for
the
development
of
barcroft
in
the
future.
So,
hopefully,
that's
responsive
to
your
question.
If
you
have
any
other
follow-ups
well,.
G
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
given
that
there
are
multiple
parties
to
the
transaction
of
which
we
are
not
one,
as
mr
dorsey
indicated.
I
think
it
behooves
us
to
really
clarify
what
the
board
acted
on
and
what
was
shaped
by
our
staff
for
consideration
was
a
proposal
for
the
county
to
contribute
150
million
dollars
to
acquiring
this
property
in
exchange
for
a
99-year
commitment
of
the
the
hundreds
of
units
at
barcroft
as
committed
affordable.
G
So
so
that
really
was
the
transaction
before
us
and
the
notion
that
they're
well,
let
me
phrase
it
this
way.
I
talked
earlier
about
the
affordable
housing
master
plan.
That
is
the
policy
that
we
are
following.
What
is
the
county
willing
to
invest
dollars
in
exchange
for
the
commitment
and
preservation
of
existing
affordable
units?
There
were
a
number
of
calculations
that
were
made
available
in
the
public
report.
The
actual
acquisition
cost
per
unit
was
relatively
low,
I
think
for
for
what
we've
seen
overall
in
projects
throughout
the
county.
G
So
we
had
a
number
of
metrics
and
analyses
that
had
already
been
subject
to
or
really
came
out
of,
an
incredibly
extensive
multi-year
process
of
developing
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
that
guided
us,
but,
but
I
really
wanted
to
just
clarify-
and
mr
university
did
a
great
job
but
to
just
note
again,
as
he
said,
we're
not
parties
to
the
transaction.
We
contributed
150
million
dollars
in
exchange
for
that
99-year
commitment.
G
Whatever
the
transaction
looked
like
between
the
seller
and
the
buyer,
that
was
our
interest
and
what
we
sought
to
discharge
as
publicly
and
transparently
as
we
could.
Ms
garvey
owned
mr
carantonis
and
mr
differential.
I
Everybody
wants
to
say
something:
sorry
go.
First,
that's
right!
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah.
I
think.
The
only
thing
I
want
to
add
is,
maybe
just
to
say
it
a
little
bit
a
different
way
as
you
picked
up
there.
There
were.
This
was
a
private
transaction.
It
came
on
the
market
in
october,
wanted
to
close
by
the
end
of
the
year,
took
bids
and
took
the
winning
bid.
I
We
were
pretty
and
the
winning
bid
was
was
jair
lynch,
but
depending
on
some
other
things,
it
was
going
to
be
able
to
go
ahead
and
close.
If
we
hadn't
moved
forward
with
it,
it's
quite
likely
it
would
not
have
gone
to
jail,
it
would
have
gone
to
another
bidder
and
don't
know
exactly
who
those
were,
but
we
were
pretty
sure
that
at
least
some,
if
not
all
of
them
were
they
were
not
interested
in
doing
affordable
housing
at
all.
They
were
interested
in
making
as
much
money
as
they
could.
I
So
we
moved
quickly
because
it's
really
probably
the
only
way
we
could
have
preserved
barcroft
departments
and
then,
although
it
was
sudden
you
know,
I've
been
on
the
board
since
2012.
One
of
the
first
issues
I
started
worrying
about
was
barcroft
apartments
and
what
was
going
to
happen
to
it.
I
mean
I
talked
with
our
staff,
probably
every
six
months,
at
least
once
so,
what's
happening
with
barcroft
apartments.
Are
we
looking
at
that
because
it
was
so
clear
how
important
this
was
going
to
be
so
it's
not
like.
I
We
hadn't
thought
about
it
at
all
it
and-
and
it
really
fits
very
nicely
with
all
of
our
with
all
of
our
processes
and
procedures.
We've
got
here
as
in
our
policies,
as
ms
crystal
so
nicely
laid
out
early
on,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we
had
to
move
fast
and
do
it
this
way
or
we
would
have
lost
it
and
and
that
would
have
been
really
terrible
for
the
for
the
county.
A
A
G
G
E
Well,
I
think,
for
the
benefit
of
the
conversation
I
I
will
only
add
one
piece
of
you
know:
remembrance:
it's
not
only
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
that
identified
barcraft,
it's
the
the
columbia
pike
neighborhoods
plan
that
did
and
back
then
the
community
had
extensively.
E
We
went
through
four
possible
scenario
for
what
happens
in
barcraft
and
actually
in
the
civic
federation
debate.
I
remember
that
as
if
it
was
yesterday,
the
question
was:
will
we
have
we?
It
will
happen
very
fast.
We
are
we
going
to
have
the
money,
and
this
was
actually
a
question
to
to
mr
swart
on
due
to
mr
nellen
back
then-
and
she
said
yes,
we
know
about
that.
E
We
commit
to
be
able
to
find
the
money
as
long
as
we
keep
our
credit
worthiness,
so
that
was
that
was
very
clear
and
actually
it
was
very
interesting
because
the
the
the
people
who
the
community
members
who
worked
on
the
on
the
columbia
pike
neighborhoods
plan,
they
were
really
very
concerned
about
the
perspective
of
that
risk,
guardian
apartment
complexes
and
they
were
always
asking
what
will
happen
if
right.
So
what
happened
in
the
past
three
months
is
a
is
one
of
these
scenarios.
Actually,
it
happened
exactly
as
predicted.
E
It's
also
not
a
secret
science,
and
it
was
one
of
the
possible
of
the
possible
outcomes
actually
and
now
we
have
actually
a
plan
on
how
to
go
forward
with
that.
You
know
it
is
entitled
already
through
the
the
offer
of
those
through
the
neighborhoods
plan,
form-based
code
etc.
So
there
is
there.
Is
this
mixed
income
component
to
that?
There
is
a
face
redevelopment,
a
vision
for
that
with
full
preservation.
What
we
bought
with
this
money
is
the
full
preservation,
the
no
net
loss
of
affordability
on
on
par
craft.
J
Yeah
just
briefly,
mr
sunder,
I
read
your
comments.
I
found
the
concerns
reasonable,
but
ultimately
you
know
because
I
was
looking
at
them
as
you,
as
you
said,
as
you
shared
them
with
us
and
found
the
concerns
reasonable.
But
ultimately
we
were
securing
affordability
and
you
have
expressed
such
a
concern
for
sustainability
for
our
community
that
the
the
preservation
of
these
units
seemed
like
fundamentally
worthwhile
for
the
99
years
of
affordability.
J
J
There
was
public
process,
it
wasn't
the
full
commissions.
That
often
is
that
it
might
be
the
the
aspired
goal,
but
I
think
ms
garvey
and
and
mr
dorsey
and
miss
crystal
we've
all
expressed
why
there
was
a
short-term
closing
that
was
necessary.
We
will
be
going
through
the
next
phases
over
the
next
year
or
two
years.
There
will
be
phased
developments
here
and
that
process
will
be
more
like
the
site
plan
process
that
I
think
you're
referring
to.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
let's
jump
over
to
suzanne,
let's
jump
into
some
other
questions
here.
We've
got
a
relatively
limited
time,
but
thank
you
all
for
thoroughly
addressing
all
our
questions
from
on.
On
that
perspective,
we
have
a
question
about
affordable
homeownership.
This
is
from
steph
pryor
earlier
tonight,
matt
addressed,
affordable
home
ownership
and
you
all
talked
about
equity,
which
ami
will
the
county
board
support,
40
to
60,
to
support
the
art,
bus
driver
contractors
or
people
making
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
J
I'll
take
a
stab
at
that,
madam
chair,
so
with
respect
to
affordable
home
ownership,
at
least
for
me,
I'm
most
interested
in
sort
of
the
the
areas
of
median
income
to
help
people
work
their
way
up.
The
economic
ladder
and
rental
housing,
I
actually
believe
has
is
a
has
in
many
many
instances
been
a
place
where
people
build
security
and
then
work
their
way
up
and
achieve
education
as
well
as
home
ownership
later.
So
I
don't
quite
agree
that
rental
housing.
J
I
don't
agree
with
that
piece
of
the
assumption,
but
certainly
I'm
not
looking
towards
majority
of
individuals
who
have
incomes
above
a
hundred
thousand
for
the
affordable
home
ownership,
at
least
that
I'm
seeking
to
preserve
it.
Should
I
should
note
our
current
area.
Median
income
for
a
household
of
four,
I
believe,
is
a
129
000..
J
So
this
is
a
hard,
hard
problem
to
address
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
been
challenging
for
us
for
a
number
of
years,
but
I
do
know
that
it's
it's
a
shared
interest
of
colleagues
on
the
board
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
still
yet
to
be
done
on
how
to
try.
And
you
know
we
have
the
mypap
program,
which
serves
a
very
small
number
of
people,
and
I
know
we
all
have
an
interest
in
seeing
if
there
are
other
ways
that
we
can
encourage,
affordable
home
ownership.
G
I
just
was
going
to
add.
I
think
this
is
a
to
some
extent
where
land
use
reforms
in
the
expanding
housing
choice
study
come
into
play,
not
because
those
zoning
reforms
could
necessarily
deliver
market,
affordable,
home
ownership
opportunities
for
people
making.
As
ms
pryor's
comment
noted
40
of
ami,
I
see
those
types
of
alternative
forms
as
a
necessary,
but
not
sufficient
step.
G
Matt
alluded
to
our
moderate
income
home
purchasing
assistance
program.
I
will
tell
you
generally:
arlingtonians
are
floored
to
learn
that
we
have
such
a
program.
The
reason
is
that
it
is
frankly
underused
because
that
I
I
couldn't
accurately
tell
you
off
the
cuff,
the
the
exact
caps,
but
there
are
relatively
there
is
very
little
product
to
be
purchased.
That
would
qualify
for
that
program.
G
Assistance
and
a
big
part
of
the
reason
is
the
only
ownership
housing
being
produced
in
arlington
right
now,
not
generally
speaking,
the
the
only
ship
product
only
ownership
products
being
produced
in
arlington
right
now
are
very
expensive,
large
houses
on
one
lot
or
high-rise
condos,
which
also
tend
to
be
at
the
higher
end.
So
if
we
were
to
legalize
forms
like,
for
example,
triplex's
stacked
flats,
there
is
certainly
no
guarantee-
and
I
don't
want
to
dissemble
and
suggest
that
that
letting
the
market
deliver.
G
Those
means
that
they're
going
to
be
affordable
to
an
art
contractor,
but
what
it
does
mean
is
that
we've
now
started
to
introduce
some
product
into
the
market
where
the
gap
between
sale
price
and
what
is
affordable
to
somebody
making
more
moderate
income
in
arlington
can
be
closed
through
financing
tools.
Like
the
my
pat
program,
the
other
thing
that
legalizing
those
forms
of
housing
enables
is
more
creative
approaches
like,
for
example,
community,
land
trust
or
even
a
model
like
habitat
for
humanity.
Having
talked
to
both
housing
experts
and
leaders
with
habitat
for
humanity.
G
They'll
both
cite
the
reasons
we
don't
have.
Programs
like
that
in
arlington
is
that,
if
all
you
can
build
again
is
one
house
per
one
lot.
The
acquisition
cost
of
that
lot
is
six
hundred
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
it.
It's
never
going
to
work
for
them
to
do
their
model
here
in
arlington.
If
you
can
build
three
homes,
for
example,
on
that
one
lot,
smooth
the
acquisition
price
across
those
three
units,
then
suddenly
a
community
land,
trust
habitat
for
humanity
model
and
other
models
start
to
become
feasible.
K
Just
add
a
different
dimension,
you
know
because
I'm
familiar
miss
pryor,
but
some
of
the
research
that
is
looked
at
in
equities
in
rental
housing-
and
I
would
caution
us
all
to
you
know
not
do
what's
often
done
is
that
whenever
an
inequity
is
highlighted,
someone
figures
out
well,
what's
the
policy
innovation
that
I
could
do
to
solve
that
problem,
and
so
therefore
they
glom
onto
well
housing
if
rental
can
lead
to
an
equity,
let's
figure
out
how
to
create
home
ownership
opportunities,
and
unless
we
understand
the
deeper
reasons
for
those
inequities
that
policy
innovation
is
not
likely
going
to
be
successful.
K
As
we
see
limited
equity
or
shared
equity,
home
ownership
opportunities
can
often
create
the
very
same
inequities
that
have
been
exposed
in
some
of
the
egregious
examples
in
rental
housing.
So
this
is
not
to
say
that
home
ownership,
moderate
income
homeownership,
is
bad,
it's
not,
but
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it
right
same
way
with
rental
housing.
K
So
you
know
here
our
our
challenge
is
to
figure
out
how
to
make
every
form
of
assistance
that
we
offer,
whether
it's
a
subsidized
unit
for
rent
or
a
moderately
priced
unit
for
purchase
how
to
make
sure
it
is
tied
to
other
ways
in
which
we're
truly
going
to
achieve
a
policy
goal.
K
So
you
know
I
would
say
for
me
it's
not
just
simply
a
matter
of
what
ami
are
you
targeting
it's,
whether
or
not
the
program
is
actually
going
to
succeed
on
a
necessary
policy
goal
allowing
someone
to
develop
equity
so
that
they
can
build
wealth
in
the
case
of
home
ownership
or
have
housing.
So
that
they
can
create
security
through
savings
so
that
they
can
make
other
choices
in
their
life,
if
it's
rental
and
that's
the
that's
the
the
fun
part
of
the
work,
at
least
from
my
my
perspective,.
E
Yes,
just
an
additional
footnote
to
to
to
all
to
to
what
mr
deferenti
said
and
mr
dorsey
miss
crystal.
There
is
also
the
issue
of
preserving
affordable
commercial
as
it
is
today
in
the
form
of
legacy
condos,
and
this
is
a
very
I
mean
we
had
a.
We
still
have
a
condo
initiative.
E
It
is
time
to
revisit
the
instruments
and
tools
that
we
are
putting
into
making
these
counters
more
sustainable
in
a
long
time.
We
we
are
aware
that
they're
and
I
live
in
one.
So
I
can
talk
from
my
own
experience,
so
we
we
can
make
them
sustainable
on
the
long
on
the
long
term
and
not
fall
prey
to
a
you
know,
rampant
a
very
aggressive
housing
market
that
you
know
will
replace
these
as
the
housing
market
is
replacing,
affordable,
margarita,
affordable
rentals
with
you
know,
margaret
ray
donna
for
double
randoms.
E
So
this
is
a
very
complex
issue.
This
board
has
shown
some
steadfastness
when
we
decided
not
to
increase
the
ami
on
the
columbia
pike
form-based
code
about
a
year
ago,
and
you
know
this
wasn't
a
very
easy
decision,
because
actually
it
makes
it
more
difficult
to
develop
there
the
way
we
have
envisioned,
but
we
state
the
course,
and
we
can
say
that
for
now
I
believe
this
was
the
the
the
the
right
decision.
E
Now
we
have
to
find
you
know
all
the
instruments
that
have
to
complete
the
the
policy
mix
here
to
in
order
to
create
this,
you
know:
wealth,
cr,
wealth
preservation,
wealth
creation
instrument.
A
A
A
We
know
that
the
county
board
doesn't
make
those
decisions
but
other
others,
other
entities,
other
cities.
Other
public
leaders
have
made
statements
for
on
that
topic,
so
I'm
curious
as
to
if
anybody
has
a
statement
or
perspective
on
that
question.
G
I've
thought
pretty
deeply
about
this
of
the
last
year
or
two,
as
you
can
imagine,
we've
been
called
upon
quite
often
to
make
such
a
statement,
in
fact,
from
from
both
those
who
feel
very
strongly
that
schools
should
have
had
more
in-person
days
and
from
people
who
feel
very
strongly.
The
school
should
have
had
fewer.
G
Ultimately,
to
me,
the
the
most
important
question
or
metric
by
which
I
can
make
decisions,
is
what
serves
the
long-term
democratic,
small
d,
democratic
and
governance
interest
of
this
community
right
now
there
is
a
division
of
responsibility
between
five
elected
and
fully
accountable
members
of
the
school
board
and
five
elected
and
fully
accountable
members
of
the
county
board.
I
think
that
intentionally
blurring
that
line
of
accountability
actually
over
time
diminishes
that
accountability.
G
G
Frankly-
and
I
say
this
with
a
great
amount
of
respect
for
both
their
superintendent
and
our
manager,
but
one
of
the
concerns
I
hear
a
lot
in
the
community
is
that
perhaps
those
appointed
officials
have
too
much
power
and
when
there
are
governance,
questions
about
who's
in
charge
that
accrues
that
power
accrues
more
to
the
appointed
officials,
because
people
cannot
exercise
that
accountability
over
their
elected
officials,
and
so
I
think,
for
those
members
of
our
community
who
are
interested
in
good
governance,
who
are
interested
in
accountability
for
decisions
on
the
schools,
things
that
are
squarely
within
the
purview
of
the
school
board
and
things
that
are
squarely
within
the
purview
of
the
county
board.
G
I
actually
don't
believe
that
long-run
interest
and
that
goal
of
accountability,
effective,
responsive
governance
is
well
served
when
we
intentionally
muddy
the
the
chain
of
command
or
the
decision-making
accountability.
G
That
said,
I
think
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
that
this
school,
that
the
county
government
and
the
county
board
can
do
in
supporting
schools,
for
example,
to
safely
reopen
and
have
more
in-person
days,
and
I
suspect
that
my
colleagues
might
want
to
speak
to
those
specifics.
But
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
the
governance
piece
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
I
think
we've
given
this
quite
a
bit
of
thought,
miss
garvey.
Do
you
want
to
start.
I
Yeah
sure,
having
spent
15
years
on
the
school
board,
you
know
I've
sort
of
seen
it
from
both
sides.
I
I
believe
miss
crystal
is
spot
on.
You
know
long-term
government,
it
doesn't
it's
not
good
governance,
short
term,
it
doesn't
work
either.
What
to
what
end?
What's
that
it's
not
going
to
help
anything.
Now.
All
of
that
said,
I
talk
to
school
board
members
at
least
pretty
much
once
a
month.
I
You
know
sometimes
informally,
but
I've
got
sort
of
regular
check-in
times
and
I'm
pretty
frank
and
open
about
what
I'm
thinking
and
talking
about
them
then.
But
those
are,
those
are
private
conversations,
and
I
think
that
is
the
way
to
you
know
have
discussions
and,
as
ms
crystal
said,
I
think
we're
all
ready
to
support
the
schools
as
much
as
we
can,
and
we
we
reiterate
that,
so
it
is
the
manager
to
the
superintendent,
but
I
think
we
need
to
think
about.
I
Maybe
there's
something
satisfying
for
seeing
you
know
somebody's
angry
and
you
see
the
county
board
coming
out.
That
feels
satisfying
for
a
moment
get
you.
I
don't
believe.
Personally,
I've
been
watching
things
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
think
it
gets
you
anywhere.
I
actually
think
it
makes
things
worse
and
less
likely
to
get
to
a
good
solution,
so
I
don't
think
it's.
I
don't
think
it's
either
good
governance
or
effective.
If
I
could
just
so
I
apologize.
I
hope
I
haven't
insulted
somebody
to
ask
the
questions.
G
I
J
Sure
so
I
agree
with
your
broad
framing
of
the
governance
issue.
With
respect
to
schools,
I
received
an
email
tonight
from
someone
who
said
schools
are
closed
tomorrow.
Where
does
the
buck
stop?
I
want
accountability
for
your
actions
to
me.
That
is
an
email
I
received
tonight.
J
Legally,
the
county
board
does
not
have
the
authority
to
make
those
decisions,
and
so
I
do
think
that
it
publicly
taking
a
position,
does
blur
the
lines
and
and
undermines
the
the
sort
of
relationship
that
should
and
must
be
there
between
the
voters
and
school
board
members
and
the
voters
and
county
board
members.
So
I
fully
agree
with
that.
Framing
the
second
thing
I
would
say
is
we
all
feel-
and
I
articulated
tonight
a
particularly
urgent
responsibility
to
support
and
work
with
our
schools
now
because
of
the
loss
of
learning
in
the
pandemic.
J
K
K
In
addition
to
the
winter
break
out
of
school,
I
can
say
that
I
value
in-person
learning
a
lot,
I'm
very
upset
at
the
state
of
affairs,
but
because
of
all
of
the
reasons
that
miss
crystal
and
ms
garvey
mr
d
ferendi
mentioned,
my
outlet
is
going
to
be
the
write,
a
note
to
the
superintendent
not
to
use
this
platform,
because
it's
not
the
appropriate
platform
to
express
my
opinions
on
the
matter
and
I'll
just
share
a
story
that
the
result
of
a
conversation
that
I
had
with
someone
during
the
pandemic,
and
they
wanted
us
to
do
something
that
I
had
the
approach
that
really
it's
not
proper.
K
K
Well,
I
understand
yeah,
you
can't
really
make
what
I
want
happen,
but
I
really
want
you
to
do
it
and
I
said
well,
why
do
you
want
me
to
do
something
that
you
know
is
not
going
to
work
like
well,
I
just
want
to
know
that
you
care
and
then
you've
got
my
back,
and
that
was
really
profound
for
me
and
an
opportunity
really
to
not
have
the
center
of
the
argument
about
what
the
ultimate
ask
is.
Will
you
put
out
this
statement
or
this
proclamation
or
take
this
action?
It's?
K
K
So
anyway,
I
think
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
engage
to
figure
out
well,
what
are
the
ways
in
which
the
county
board
can
have
the
back
of
the
school
system
and
of
families
and
of
children
to
deal
with
this
issue
versus
a
specific
discrete
ask
that
really
doesn't
work
for
our
our
particular
role
in
this
community.
G
And
just
to
put
a
bow
on
that
as
just
a
few
examples
of
the
partnership
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
certainly
running
the
vaccination
clinics
for
teachers
now
preparing
to
run
the
vaccination
clinics
at
schools,
significant
amounts
of
relief
funding
to
procure
things
like
ppe,
helping
deliver
directly
that
supply
chain
of
ppe
when
it
was
short
all
the
way
down
to
helping
procure
the
and
pay
for.
Rather,
the
cure
pay
for
the
outdoor
seating
to
enable
students
to
gather
safely
at
lunch.
So
so
those
are
just
a
couple
of
examples.
G
L
If
I
may,
I
would
just
like
to
see
one
follow-up,
as
other
people
were
able
to
you
know.
One
thing
mr
dorsey
said
is
that
he
would
write
a
note
to
the
super.
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
he
is
appointed.
He
is
not
elected
and
miss
crystal
said:
there
is
an
accountability
problem,
we're
constituents
of
the
county
board
too,
and
not
just
the
school
board.
So
it's
interesting
to
know.
Where
do
we
turn
for
accountability
to
be
addressed
when
the
school
board
doesn't
respond
and
doesn't
vote
on
these
issues?
K
K
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
ultimate
answer
is
you:
do
have
your
dually
elected
school
board.
There
is
no
body
that
we're
not
an
appellate
body
for
decisions
that
the
school
board
makes
or
doesn't
make
that
displease
us.
They
are
the
ultimate
arbiter
of
what
happens
within
the
school
system.
So,
if
there's
a
question
about
what
they've
acted
on,
what
they
haven't
acted
on,
what
they've
deleted
delegated
or
assumed
to
them
for
themselves,
you
have
to
raise
it
with
them.
A
A
Pretty
much
summarizes
it.
Thank
you
for
the
love,
miss
sunderland
and-
and
you
know
again,
I'd
like
to
extend
my
thanks
to
all
the
county
board
members.
Congratulations
again,
ms
crystal,
and
thank
you,
mr
leferanti,
for
your
service
as
chair,
and
and
thank
you
all
for
your
your
long,
thorough
answers
and
for
going
a
little
bit
over
and
really
really
into
our
questions
in
great
detail
and
and
I'm
hearing,
and
I
I
will
reiterate
some
comments
and
questions
in
the
chat
here.
Please
make
sure
the
streets
are
plowed.
A
G
We
can
yeah,
and
so
we
can
share
with
you.
I
suppose
you,
I
suspect,
you've
already
shared
it
or
if
you
were
to
go
to
arlingtonva.us
and
search
snowresponse,
you
can
probably
also
find
it
on
our
social
media
pages.
I
know
we've
been
sharing
it.
There
is
a
real-time
map.
You
can
see
the
progress
that
the
county
crews
are
making
there.
If
you,
if
the
plows
have
come
through
and
they've,
you
know
missed
a
spot
or
area
in
your
neighborhood.
G
You
can
report
that
in
real
time
through
the
reporter
problem
app,
we
understand
that
folks
would
just
like
to
see
them
move
faster
in
general,
as
our
manager
indicated
earlier,
the
the
covid
work
shortages
labor
shortages
have
affected
our
snowplow
crews
as
well.
We
appreciate
the
patience
they
are
making
progress,
they're
they're
through
many
of
the
residential
streets.
Now
again,
you
can
follow
along
in
our
real-time
map
and
report
missed
spots.
I
Also,
you
might
some
of
the
some
of
the
drivers,
as
I
understand
it,
we're
actually
trying
to
get
here
to
work,
but
they
were
stuck
on
395
and
95,
along
with
everybody
else.
So
you
know
we
are
trying,
but
we're
and
we're
very
aware
we're
getting
there
as
fast
as
we
can
and
thank
you
for
suggesting
those
sites.
Mrs
crystal
that's
really
helpful,
mr
dorsey.
K
If
I
may
just
add
briefly,
you
know
there
you'll
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
our
phased
approach
to
this
and
and
sort
of
when
your
street
would
come
in
the
hierarchy
of
streets
in
arlington
county,
and
I
do
want
to
just
remind
people
of
something
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
overlook.
We
don't
begin
moving
into
anything
beyond
any
pretreating
activities
until
after
the
storm
has
ceased.
So
during
the
active
period
of
the
storm.
K
When
I
know
many
people
would
love
to
have
folks
out
there
plowing
and
doing
things
it's
just
not
safe
to
do
so.
So
we
wait
for
the
storm
to
conclude
and
then
those
operations
begin
and
then
we've
had
all
of
the
challenges
that
have
been
made.
So
we
ask
for
your
grace
and
your
patience.
We
are
working
to
get
it
done
as
soon
as
possible.
A
Absolutely
okay!
Well
with
that
I'd
like
to
thank
you
again
and
thank
you
for
your
for
for
joining
our
meeting
this
evening
and
from
the
civic
federation
perspective,
we
will
have
our
civic
federation
board
meeting
this
coming
sunday,
we'll
send
out
an
email
with
with
a
registration
link
and
on
the
topic
of
the
stormwater
resolution.
A
Candy
board
members
stay
tuned,
we'll
have
some
some
resolution
on
stormwater
coming
up
and
mr
ford.
We
will
promote
that
in
the
newsletter
and
and
then
it
can
be
fully
discussed
at
our
next
in
our
next
meeting.
A
A
All
right
any
opposed
all
right,
the
eyes
have
it
and
we
will
adjourn
the
meeting.
Thank
you
all
again
for
everything
and
we'll
have
a
good
good
week.
Happy.