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A
More
be
June,
10th,
2023,
County
board
meeting.
This
is
board
chair,
Christian,
Dorsey,
presiding
and
today,
I'm
joined
on
the
diocese
by
my
colleagues
Vice
chair
Garvey,
as
well
as
board
members,
Crystal,
D,
ferranti
and
Karen
tonis,
thanks
to
all
of
you
who
are
joining
us
here
in
the
boardroom,
as
well
as
remotely
through
Microsoft
teams.
A
few
announcements
before
we
get
away
with
first
portion
of
our
meeting,
which
is
public
comment
masking,
is
optional
here
in
the
boardroom.
A
If
you
would
like
one,
there
are
available
from
our
clerk
who's
located
in
the
front
of
the
room
directly
to
my
right
board.
Members,
as
well
as
senior
staff
who
are
participating
in
the
meeting
today,
are
continuing
to
practice
social
distancing,
and
you
may
also
see
us
wear
masks
depending
on
our
preferences.
We
do
have
people
who
are
participating
today,
both
staff
and
members
of
the
public
remotely
through
Microsoft
teams
as
part
of
our
hybrid
meeting
model.
A
If
you
are
intending
to
speak
at
today's
meeting,
if
you
are
here
in
person
as
you
come
up
and
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the
lectern,
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There
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board
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A
As
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your
testimony,
please
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the
clerk
again
seated
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my
right
and
make
sure
that
you
have
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contact
information,
including
your
name
on
all
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our
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cameras
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Until
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Yourself
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6
if
you
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If
you
are
using
teams,
a
Spanish
language
interpreter
is
available
for
our
public
comment
portion.
A
A
Speakers
as
a
reminder,
purpose
of
public
comment
is
to
hear
from
individuals
who
will
alert
the
board
on
an
issue
that
has
not
been
subject
of
a
recent
public
hearing,
nor
is
scheduled
for
an
upcoming
public
hearing
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
speakers
on
a
range
of
topics
and
to
be
fair
and
consistent
across
all
speakers
and
issues.
We
do
have
a
one
speaker
per
topic
rule.
A
This
helps
the
Board
identify
and
efficiently
manage
the
this
helps
the
Board
efficiently
manage
the
main
portion
or
the
main
purpose
of
today's
meeting,
which
is
to
get
through
the
agenda
which
has
been
noticed
to
the
public,
and
we
have
people
who
are
waiting
to
speak
on
various
topics
they're
in.
We
do
appreciate
everyone's
help
in
adhering
to
the
meeting
procedures
and
being
fair
and
respectful
to
your
fellow
residents.
A
If
you
are
here
as
part
of
a
group
at
all
and
want
to
show
that
there
are
more
than
and
you
who
share
the
sentiments
that
you
will
convey,
we
do
invite
one
representative
of
the
group
to
speak
on
everyone's
behalf.
And
importantly,
there
are
other
ways
to
engage
with
members
of
the
County
Board
on
any
issue
that
may
be
of
concern
to
you.
A
You
can
always
write
to
us
at
the
email
address
County
board
at
arlingtonva.us,
and
if
you
desire
a
deeper
and
more
Dynamic
conversation
to
explore
issues
of
concern
to
you,
we
do
offer
on
most
Mondays
an
Open
Door
Monday
session,
where
one
member
of
the
board
will
participate
and
if
you'd,
like
any
information
on
all
of
the
ways
in
which
you
can
engage
with
members
of
the
County
Board,
please
see
our
clerks,
both
in
the
room,
Ms
Jacobs
and
out
in
the
atrium
Mr
Kushner.
Who
will
be
happy
to
assist
you
with
that?
Miss
Jacobs?
D
Good
morning,
I'm
Natalie
Roy,
a
32-year
resident
of
line
Park
and
a
candidate
for
County
Board
Arlington's
new,
expanded
housing
options.
Aka
missing
middle
remains
one
of
the
top
issues
in
our
community.
Not
surprisingly,
many
in
the
community
are
still
asking
what
are
the
goals
for
this
densification
plan?
A
new
report
from
the
Northern
Virginia
Association
of
Realtors
and
George
Mason
University
predicts
2023
will
end
with
Arlington
single-family
homes,
home
prices
up
an
average
of
9.2
percent
from
the
year
before.
D
In
other
words,
the
eho
program
is
already
having
an
effect
in
the
market
and
it's
the
opposite
of
affordability.
Whatever
the
board's
goals
were
it's
essential
to
track,
because
you
can't
evaluate
what
you
don't
measure
the
county
publicly
stated
it
intended
to
publish
real
time
data
on
permit
applications
and
approvals
to
the
open
data
portal.
The
county
also
listed
posted
a
list
of
what
it
would
be
seeking
in
terms
of
information
about
the
projects.
It
also
said
it
would
create
an
online
dashboard
and
provide
annual
reports.
D
July
1st
is
three
weeks
away
and
no
further
details
have
been
released.
There's
been
no
public
input.
I
have
some
questions.
Will
the
program
actually
start
on
July
1st?
Has
there
been
a
lot
of
interest
among
developers
and
investors,
our
public
information
sessions
being
planned?
What
actual
data
will
be
available
real
time
what
data
will
be
available
only
annually,
and
why
can't
that
data
be
released
more
frequently?
And
finally,
will
there
be
public
input
asked
for
as
the
county
goes
forward
with
the
implementation
on
this
Pro
program?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
E
All
right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Ann
Bodine
I'm
here
to
talk
about
displacement
for
barkov
tenants
next
slide,
so
the
county
in
2013
approved
Neighborhood
form-based
code
allowing
much
larger
buildings
along
the
pike
but
agreed
to
protect
6200,
affordable
units
of
which
the
bulk
was
1300
at
Barcroft
Apartments.
This
is
Arlington's
largest
market
rate,
low-income
housing
with
our
most
diversity,
the
complex
was
sold
in
2021
Amazon
and
Arlington
put
up
over
300
million
dollars
in
jair.
Lynch
promised
zero
displacement.
Next
slide,
it's
important.
E
We
keep
our
promise
that
terms
of
that
commitment
have
been
vague
and
many
tenants
are
actually
moving
out.
There
are
a
few
groups
working
with
attendants,
but
no
one
knows
the
full
plan.
Yet
there's
displacement,
gentrification,
flooding
school
park,
space
implications
next
slide.
These
are
just
a
few
of
the
tenants
who
are
at
risk
next
slide.
E
E
Ninety
percent
of
bicycle
usage
in
the
county
is
among
whites,
there's
very
low
incidence
among
tenants
of
this
community
and
along
the
Pike
in
general,
but
the
county
is
planning
to
remove
parking
Lanes
along
George
Mason.
It's
very
unlikely.
Redevelopment
will
add
these
back
in.
We
need
to
recognize
the
needs
of
low-income
tenants
next
slide.
E
The
county
said
that
there's
zero
displacement,
but
this
only
applies
to
people
earning
60
percent
of
Ami,
but
60
percent
of
the
tenants
here
are
lower
income
levels.
The
county
needs
dire
Lynch
to
keep
tenants
in
Barcroft
and
the
county
and
Amazon
need
a
mechanism
to
address
displacement
and
brief
it
to
tenants
by
August
next
slide.
E
F
Thank
you
when
I
built,
my
house
in
2015
I
knew
I
would
be
putting
in
a
bio
retention
facility
or
as
I
call
it
a
rain
Garden.
It
was
mandated
by
the
county,
but
I
was
totally
on
board.
My
system
attracted
a
lot
of
positive
attention,
as
I
opened
my
home
to
tours
and
lectured
school
children
I'm
still
proud
of
what
I
have,
but
I
get
no
positive
feedback
that
from
the
County
government
right
out
of
the
gate,
County
Administration
has
framed
their
role
as
adversarial
and
disciplinarian
I
recently
had
some
inspectors
come.
F
They
found
violations
and
I
will
have
to
correct
them,
or
else
suffer
legal
consequences.
This
is
all
because
of
State
mandates.
Ms4
and
county
code
chapter
60.
I'm,
having
flashbacks
to
catechism
until
I
was
kicked
out.
I
listened
to
the
nuns
go
on
and
on
about
Sin
and
going
to
hell
and
heard
nothing
about
love
and
compassion
and
good
citizenship.
Most
of
the
citizens
in
the
county
are
like
me.
They
care
and
want
to
do
what's
best
for
storm
water
management,
but
when
faced
with
scolding,
many
people
me
included,
become
resistant
and
defiant.
F
There
is
a
better
way:
first,
establish
a
community
of
people
who
have
rain
Gardens
to
support
one
another.
Second,
the
role
of
the
county
staff
should
be
helpful
and
constructive,
rather
than
disciplinarian.
The
expertise
in
the
county
could
be
tapped
as
a
resource,
rather
than
avoided
for
fear
of
reprimand.
F
Third,
if
the
county
is
required
by
ms4
to
do
inspections,
these
should
not
have
to
be
overlane
by
threats
of
legal
action.
There
should
be
a
sense
of
Pride,
rather
than
fear,
now
that
the
county
is
trying
to
encourage
additional
homeowners
to
put
in
Rain
Gardens
that
are
not
mandated
mandated
by
ms4.
I
can
say
with
certainty
that
no
amount
of
tax
benefit
would
compensate
the
citizens
for
the
kind
of
ordeal
we
suffer
now.
The
deal
is
simply
not
worth
it.
Thank
you
thank.
G
I
have
slides,
my
name
is
Elizabeth
Grossman
and
I'm.
Speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Arlington
tree,
Action
Group
Miss
Crystal
atad
commends
you
on
your
vote
in
April
2020,
when
you
were
the
only
board
member
to
object
to
the
removal
of
24
trees
at
met,
Park,
simply
to
allow
Amazon,
more
storage
construction
equipment
to
store
a
stage
more
construction
equipment
for
the
first
phase
of
the
hq2
project.
We
thank
you
for
that.
We
also
thank
you
for
our
wisdom
in
2019,
in
an
interview
with
north
northern
Virginia
magazine,
you
said
next
slide.
G
Please
one
of
the
hottest
topics
right
now
is
tree
preservation
in
Arlington.
At
every
public
comment.
We'll
have
people
basically
saying
that
the
county
is
failing
to
lead
and
letting
down
the
community
because
trees
are
being
destroyed
everywhere.
They
look,
then
I
was
talking
to
a
group
of
fifth
grade
Girl
Scouts
on
Sunday,
asking
them
what
they
liked
about.
Arlington
one
girl
raised
her
hand
and
said
I
just
really
like
that
people
don't
cut
down
trees
next
slide
now.
Data
helps
so
much.
G
Archery
canopy
has
grown
2.5
percent
in
the
last
five
years,
but
people
either
perceived
that
the
county
they
love
is
being
clear-cut
or
they
see
that
neighbors
that
they
see
Neighbors
that
are
making
trees
a
priority.
One
of
the
things
I
think
is
so
fascinating
has
how
people
can
look
at
the
same
environment
or
issue
in
Arlington
and
arrive
at
completely
opposite
conclusions.
G
Next
slide
data
from
a
2017
tree
canopy
study
Based
on
data
collected
in
2016
show
had
showed
an
overall
tree
canopy
rate
at
41
percent.
This
was
an
improvement
over
the
2011
study.
However,
in
2021
we
found
it
declined
33
to
33
percent.
Your
next
slide,
your
wisdom
is
Crystal
is
clear.
It's
always
better
to
rely
on
data
instead
of
perception,
because
almost
anything
can
skew
a
perception
without
data.
We
would
not
know,
for
example,
that
our
tree
canopy
has
declined
more
than
19
since
you
joined
the
County
board.
Thank.
C
You
Grossman
our
next
speaker's
Jane
Zimmerman.
H
H
This
is
a
separate
issue
from
the
desire
of
Marymount
University
to
develop
some
land
as
well.
There's
been
a
long
established
task
force
working
on
a
park
for
the
Old
Dominion
civic
association,
which
had
a
meeting
just
two
nights
ago.
That
task
force
is
active,
we're
also
working
on
creating
a
request
for
the
capital
Improvement
plan
budget
in
the
fall
so
that
that
Park
can
be
included
for
those
of
you
who
weren't
on
the
County
Board
back
in
2015.
H
This
goes
back
to
the
discussions
and
negotiations
regarding
the
location
of
Firehouse
number,
eight
and
in
any
event,
there
are
various
options
for
the
park,
but
this
is
something
that
the
community
and
residents
feel
really
strongly
about.
I
know
it's
also
tied
into
other
issues
such
as
the
Spout
Run,
watershed
management
task
force
so
again
to
preview
for
you
that
a
lot
of
this
will
be
coming
up
in
the
fall
there
has
been
turnovers
since
2015.
H
A
Thanks
to
everyone
for
joining
us
today,
and
we
appreciate
your
raising
your
concerns
and
issues
before
the
board
we'll
go
in
order
to
see
if
there
are
any
that
we
can
either
address
or
direct
staff
to
investigate
further
first
Ms
Roy,
who
brought
comments
about
missing
middle
the
implementation
date
is
July
1.
I'll.
Look
to
the
manager
briefly
to
see
if
there
is
any
issues
with
that
implementation,
implementation
date
not
being
met.
I
There
is
not
also
Mr
Roy
raised
the
question
about
the
data
that
we
would
make
available
and
refer
people
back
to
the
board
report.
We
had
in
March
that
listed
all
the
types
of
information
that
we'll
make
available
on
our
portal
in
the
my
Arlington
app
as
of
right
now,
since
we
haven't
received
any
applications,
there
is
any
any
data
to
be
made
available.
I
Also,
the
annual
report
was
meant
to
be
a
summary
of
that
information
that
will
become
available
on
an
occasional
basis
and
wrap
that
up,
but
we're
also
when
we
put
it
out
there
if
we're
missing
anything,
we
also
welcome
feedback
about
what
other
additional
information
we
could
add.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
manager
and
I'll
just
add
Ms
Roy.
Anyone
who
talks
about
what
may
happen
in
the
future
and
uses
Words
May
is
clearly
projecting
and
since
this
hasn't
been
implemented
yet
as
an
esteemed
real
estate
professional,
you
know
that
any
activity
that's
based
on
what
may
happen
that
has
not
yet
been
implemented
is
entirely
speculative
and
unfortunately,
we
can't
control
what
people
irrationally
do.
A
But
once
we
have
our
implementation
out
on
the
street,
we
will
actually
be
able
to
measure
activity
to
actually
determine
the
impact
of
the
choices
made
with
expanded
housing
options
and
the
housing
market,
as
it
relates
to
Barcroft
and
affordability.
I
would
just
note
that
turnover
does
not
equal
displacement,
their
turnover
that
happens
at
apartments
all
the
time
when
we
negotiated
and
constructed
the
deal
to
avoid
no
displacement
of
Barcroft
residents,
it
had
a
couple
of
key
components:
one
for
the
first
year
after
acquisition.
A
Rents
would
not
be
raised
on
anyone
that
was
actually
honored
and
followed
Beyond
that
everyone
was
converted
to
long-term
leases
that
it
currently
or
hitherto
been
subject
to
month-to-month
tenancies,
creating
a
degree
of
income
and
rent
security.
Further.
When
those
converted
to
yearly
leases,
tenants
had
at
least
90
days
and
in
some
cases
more
depending
on
individualized
hardship
to
avoid
any
increases
in
rent
once
those
became
long-term
leases
and
then
finally,
each
individual
tenant,
who
had
an
individualized
circumstance
which
was
not
covered
by
the
policy,
was
work
with
into
my
understanding.
A
In
all
cases
had
terms
that
were
satisfactorily
met
to
allow
them
to
continue.
So,
in
fact,
there
has
been
no
displacement
in
the
sense
that
we
view
displacement,
actions
of
government
or
private
developers
that
are
forcing
people
to
move.
In
fact,
it's
been
quite
the
opposite
and
as
it
relates
to
your
request,
to
know
about
and
have
tenants
in
the
community
understand
the
plans
for
the
future.
Those
are
still
being
developed.
So
it's
not
that
they
are
being
kept
from
anyone
and,
in
fact,
on
a
monthly
basis.
A
There
are
meetings
directly
between
Barcroft
owners
and
their
tenants
to
give
them
updates
on
what's
happening
in
the
community.
We
are
made
available
of
what
those
meetings
look
like
in
terms
of
attendance
and
issues
discussed,
and
a
number
of
us
live
fairly
close
by
and
engage
with
the
tenants
at
Barcroft
regularly
and
while
I
certainly
understand
that
a
lot
of
them
have
concerns
about
what
might
be
coming
up.
They
are
very
much
kept
in
the
loop
on
a
very
frequent
basis
as
to
what's
going
on
anyone
else
on
the
Barcroft
issue.
A
Ms
McCutchen
appreciate
it
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
at
an
Open
Door
Monday
previously-
and
you
know
you
raise
some
some
interesting
points
for
us
to
consider
as
it
relates
to
how
to
impose
our
regulatory
requirements,
and
so
first
you
spoke
about
creating
a
community
of
of
citizens
who
can
really
support
one
another,
as
it
relates
to
moving
forward
with
sustainability,
specifically
with
rain.
A
We
should
think
about
quite
a
lot
because,
while
we
do
have
requirements
to
you
know,
impose
our
regulatory
mandates
in
an
equitable
way.
That
does
not
mean
that
we
cannot
do
so
compassionately
and
with
an
eye
towards
helping
people
as
opposed
to
making
them
feel
like
they
are
being
scolded.
So
we'll
take
that
to
heart
other
comments,
starting
with
Ms
Garden.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
Echo
I,
guess
what
what
you
said
Mr
chair,
I,
have
had
other
residents
come
upset
about
how
they've
been
treated.
J
They
said,
I'm
just
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
so
that
was
a
while
ago,
I'm
hoping
things
have
gotten
a
little
better,
but
clearly,
maybe
not
as
much
better
as
they
need
to
so
I
think
we
do
need
to
work
on
this
because
more
and
more
people
are
going
to
be
trying
to
do
this
and
it
is
complicated
and
it
is
difficult
and
we
want
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
people.
Thank.
A
K
D
Franti,
thank
you.
Mr
chair,
take
to
to
Heart
your
your
concerns
about
customer
service,
I'm
thinking
my
own
efforts
on
a
permeable
driveway
and
the
letter
that
I
got.
You
mentioned
that
the
deal
is
not
worthwhile.
There's
components
to
it
right.
K
You
can
get
a
little
bit
more
space
on
your
home
as
far
as
lot
coverage
with
a
permeable
driveway,
but,
and
certainly
the
the
regulations
with
respect
to
rain
Gardens
are
distinct,
I'm,
hoping
that
there's
a
place
where
we
can
improve
customer
service,
and
it
can
feel
a
little
bit
more
as
though
the
deal
because
there
is
an
advantage
for
us
to
have
a
permeable
driveway
at
my
own
home.
The
deal
can
feel
more
worthwhile
so
take
to
heart
your
concerns
on
customer
service,
Ms
Crystal.
L
It's
nice
to
see
him
as
the
kitchen.
This
is.
L
This
is
an
R
here
and
you've,
given
us
really
good
feedback
over
the
years,
also
about
the
weed
ordinance
in
the
county,
because
I
know
that's
another
area
where
you
have
experienced
negative
enforcement
for
essentially
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
rewild
your
your
garden
and
with
feedback
from
you
and
others
just
wanted
to
know.
When
that
came
before
the
board.
L
We
directed
the
manager
to
please
take
a
bigger
look
at
that
and
my
understanding
the
manager
can
wreck
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
we've
had
an
interdepartmental
team
working
with
the
examples
from
the
northern
Virginia
Regional
Commission
and
some
of
the
other
sort
of
more
environmentally
forward
groups
about
what
a
model
ordinance
could
look
like.
I
believe
that
is
up
for
public
comment
right
now,
ahead
of
July
RTA.
M
You
Mr
chair
and
Ms
Crystal
stole
my
thunder
because
I
was
about
to
talk
about
the
you
know.
There
is
a
famous
saying
you
know
you
catch
more
flies
with
honey
rag,
so
our
inspectors
usually
should
have
also
the
task
to
educate
and
to
try
to
find
solutions
that
really
work
in
complex
environments.
A
rain
Garden
is
not
just
a
bioretention
facility.
It's
way
more
than
that,
so
there
is
in
each
individual
case
a
balance
to
be
found
between
a
lot
of
of
different
actions.
M
One
of
the
benefits
of
connecting
with
other
people
who
do
the
same
is
to
actually
bring
to
the
table
and-
and
you
know,
have
this
feedback
positive
feedback
loop
with
with
Regulators
about
what
what
you
know,
how
how
different
activities
potentiated
themselves
and
we
get
a
a
a
positive
outcome.
It
is
not
only
the
bioretention,
it's
the
the
public
donators,
it's
all
this
together,
it's
actually
caring
about
an
ecosystem.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
because
it's
not
only
customer
services
as
to
say
to
people
hey.
You
know,
please
be
more!
M
A
Thank
you.
Next,
we
had
Ms
Grossman,
so
a
couple
of
thoughts,
one
direct
you
to
the
upcoming
engagement
that
will
hopefully
result
in
the
board
being
able
to
consider
adoption
of
the
forestry
natural
resources
plan
later
this
year,
where
a
lot
of
the
issues
and
substance
that
you
raise
will
be
brought
up.
Certainly,
issues
about
data
are
ever
present,
as
it
relates
to
tree
canopy
recognize
that
you
presented
data
that
included
both
I
believe
public
public
numbers,
as
well
as
a
privately
commissioned
study
by
residents.
A
So
as
we
talk
about
what
we
do
as
a
community
as
it
relates
to
enhancing
a
tree,
can
it
be
a
goal
which
each
and
every
person
on
this
diocese
has
been
on
record
as
encouraging?
We
recognize
that
it
is
not
just
us,
it
is
all
of
us
so
with
that
I
will
look
to
see,
if
any
other
comments
on
that,
seeing
none
Ms
Zimmerman.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
letting
us
know
about.
A
What's
upcoming
in
the
fall,
we
very
much
look
forward
to
seeing
what
some
of
the
community
conversations
have
coalesced
around
in
the
26th
and
Old
Dominion
area.
We
recognize
that
it's
going
to
involve
the
marrying
of
a
lot
of
different
plans
and
and
priorities
and
perspectives.
It's
not
going
to
be
the
easiest
thing
to
do,
but
we
certainly
have
hopes
that
we
can
enhance
the
community
open
space
in
the
area,
as
part
is
a
part
of
our
upcoming
investment.
K
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
thank
you
for
coming
in
and
for
add
sort
of
helping
to
Nuance
this
since
2015.
I
was
not
on
the
board,
but
I
have
been
thinking
about
this.
During
the
midst
of
covid,
the
working
group's
proposal
was
a
bit
more
costly
than
I
thought
was
wise
and
then
during
covid,
extensive
planning
for
the
park
that
has
been
long
discussed
did
not
seem
to
me
the
right
priority
in
the
midst
of
getting
vaccines
out
and
responding
to
the
emergency,
but
it
has
been
continued
to
be.
K
On
my
mind,
I
really
appreciate,
in
particular
your
foreshadowing,
a
solution
that
notices
that
there's
a
couple
of
issues
there
there's
proposals
from
Marymount
and
then
there's
attempting
to
address
the
park
issue.
So
I
am
sorry
that
I
cannot
join
Miss.
Garvey
I
will
fess
up
that
I
am
after
two
or
three
years
being
in
town
for
July.
4Th
I'm
gonna
fulfill
a
commit
family
commitment
on
that
day,
but
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
be
there.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
well
well,
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
parade,
thank
you
and
I'll
just
say
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
have
a
lot
of
plans
and
sometimes
organizations
will
come
out
with
plans
and
everybody
thinks
oh,
my
God.
This
is
what's
going
to
happen,
so
those
organizations
don't
speak
for
the
county
at
all.
So
just
not
not
to
be
too
worried
about
what
some
groups
might
be
proposing.
A
N
A
A
A
A
These
items
are
placed
on
our
consent
agenda,
not
because
they
are
unimportant,
but
because
they
were
thought
to
be
non-controversial
and
so
I'll
take
a
few
minutes
to
highlight
several.
In
particular,
the
board
adopted
a
resolution
to
designate
the
Marbella
Apartments
as
a
voluntary,
coordinated
housing
preservation
and
development
District
and
approved
a
related
use
permit
in
2022,
the
Marbella
Apartments
obtained
a
site
plan
to
rehabilitate
and
preserve
62,
affordable
units
and
six
Garden
style
apartment
buildings.
A
However,
because
these
buildings
are
legally
non-conforming
structures,
the
applicant
was
prohibited
under
our
zoning
ordinance
for
making
Necessary
structural
changes.
Today's
designation
and
approval
of
a
related
use
permit,
which
required
submission
of
a
low
and
moderate
income
housing
plan
granted
the
applicant
the
ability
to
proceed
with
those
necessary
Renovations
item
number
22
for
food
delivery
and
shared
commercial
kitchens.
This
continues
the
County's
commercial
Market
resiliency
initiative.
We
have
amended
the
zoning
ordinance
to
expand
the
definitions
of
food
delivery
services
and
to
streamline
the
related
regulatory
approval
processes.
A
Specifically,
these
changes
would
expand
food
delivery
to
a
Buy-Rite
use,
including
and
include
a
full
spectrum
of
shared
Commercial
Kitchen
business
models
such
as
those
designed
for
takeout,
rather
than
dining
in
and
consolidating
and
modernizing
food
related
terms.
In
the
zoning
ordinance,
we
have
updated
our
Northern
Virginia
Hazard
mitigation
plan.
This
update
looks
at
our
current
Hazard
mitigation
procedure
strategies
as
well
as
current
vulnerability
data
and
was
developed
in
close
coordination
with
representatives
from
neighboring
jurisdictions
to
assess
the
risks
of
Hazards
we
face
as
a
northern
Virginia
region.
A
The
board
has
also
authorized
the
county
manager
to
accept
373
thousand
dollar
Grant
from
the
Virginia
Department
of
Behavioral,
Health
and
developmental
services
for
outpatient
support
provided
by
our
department
of
human
services.
This
funding
will
help
increase
capacity
in
areas
that
include
serving
arlingtonians
that
are
older
and
and
in
need
of
intensive
care
that
are
in
permanent,
supported
housing
and
have
mental
health
have
and
that
have
a
mental
health
diagnosis
and
who
may
need
psychosocial
rehabilitation
services.
A
Lastly,
the
board
has
authorized
the
advertisement
of
public
hearings.
Future
public
hearings
related
to
proposed
changes
to
the
Arlington
County
zoning
ordinance
and
the
code
of
Arlington
County.
These
include
item
number
36,
which
will
be
heard
publicly
by
the
Planning
Commission
on
July
3rd
and
the
County
Board
on
July
15th.
A
I
We
we
do
joining
us
this
morning
is
Courtney
Badger
good
morning
Courtney
with
backup
support
from
Joanne
Gabor
and
Anthony
fusarelli.
O
Good
morning,
good
morning,
chair
and
board
members,
I'm
Courtney
Badger,
with
the
planning,
Division
and
I'm
here
today
to
give
a
staff
presentation
for
the
crystal
Towers
3
project.
O
This
item
consists
of
a
site
plan
amendment
to
facilitate
the
construction
of
two
new
infill
buildings
in
Crystal
City.
The
site
is
located
at
1600
South
East
Street
within
the
Aurora
Highlands
neighborhood.
The
block
is
currently
governed
by
site
plan
number
13,
which
is
outlined
in
white
on
the
left
image,
and
it
includes
the
existing
Crystal
Towers
buildings
in
the
Lost
590
building.
The
proposed
new
buildings
will
be
built
on
what
is
currently
surface
parking
lots.
O
The
Zoning
for
the
site
is
RA
4.8
and
the
applicant
is
not
requesting
a
rezoning.
The
general
land
use
plan
designation
as
high
medium
residential
and
it's
located
within
the
Crystal
City
coordinated,
Redevelopment,
District
The
Proposal
consists
of
an
11-story
building
containing
209
residential
units
in
ground,
floor
retail
and
a
single
story,
retail
building
just
under
20
000
square
feet.
Both
buildings
will
be
certified
at
the
lead,
gold
level
and
they're
requesting
modifications
for
additional
density
required
parking
and
density
exclusions.
O
O
In
terms
of
policy
Guidance,
the
site
is
subject
to
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan
and
located
in
the
West
Side
District.
Since
the
site
is
located
west
of
Richmond
Highway,
it's
not
required
to
include
a
block
plan
and
the
project
complies
with
recommendations
in
the
sector
plan
with
one
deviation
relating
to
building
kite.
O
The
sector
plan
identifies
building
kite
recommendation
for
this
block
of
110
feet,
measured
from
average
site
elevation
to
the
top
floor
of
the
building,
not
including
mechanical
equipment,
which
is
approved
for
an
additional
height
above
that
the
sector
plan
also
recommends
a
tapering
strategy
for
the
whole
block
that
concentrates
height
along
South,
each
Street
and
tapers
As.
You
move
west
to
South
Orange
Street,
the
ra
4.8
zoning,
which
governs
the
site,
has
a
max
Building
height
of
136
feet.
It
measures
height
differently
than
the
sector
plan
by
including
the
penthouse
equipment.
O
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
Residential
Building
height
of
132
feet
with
the
taper
as
it
moves
West.
However,
the
taper
does
not
follow
the
sector
plan
recommended
taper,
although
deviating
from
the
sector
plan.
The
applicant's
proposal
is
consistent
with
zoning
requirements,
given
the
infill
nature
of
the
project
and
the
compatibility
with
existing
building
Heights
staff
is
supportive
of
this
deviation
from
the
sector
plan,
particularly
given
that
the
sector
plan
height
guidance
is
indicative
of
full
block
Redevelopment,
which
the
applicant
is
not
proposing.
O
With
this
proposal,
the
applicant
will
also
be
expanding.
The
existing
Public
Access
easement
on
the
corner
of
15th
Street
and
South
Eid
Street
and
we'll
be
making
improvements
to
this
the
corner
site
in
coordination
with
our
DPR
staff.
The
open
space
is
identified
as
open
space
number
18
in
the
sector
plan,
and
it
calls
for
a
space
to
contain
Pathways
and
trees,
and
the
applicant
is
working
with
staff
to
preserve
mature
tree
canopy
in
this
area
and
identify
areas
for
new
trees
where
appropriate.
O
During
the
review
process,
the
applicant
was
responsive
to
staff
and
sprc
comments.
This
side-by-side
rendering
highlights
kind
of
two
big
changes
that
were
made
on
the
left.
You
can
see
what
was
originally
proposed.
They
originally
came
in
with
a
30-foot
Podium
separation
from
the
crystal
existing
Crystal
Flats
building
they've.
Since
widened
it
to
me,
our
plans
and
policy
documents
to
have
a
40-foot
separation
which
allows
for
additional
a
potential
area
for
outdoor
seating
landscaping
and
a
pedestrian
connection
through
this
site,
they've
also
pulled
out
the
ground
floor,
facade
which
is
most
noticeable.
O
If
you
look
at
this
column
right
here
to
better
engage
with
the
South
East
Street
sidewalk
in
with
the
public
Realm,
the
applicant
will
provide
the
following
commitments
to
earn
requested
additional
density.
This
includes
contributions
to
the
affordable
housing
investment
fund
and
contributions
for
off-site
transportation
and
public
space
improvements.
The
applicant
will
also
be
granting
that
future
Public
Access
easement
for
open
space,
number
18
and
making
improvements,
and
they
will
be
achieving
Lee
gold,
certification
and
meeting
the
Green
Building
incentive
program
criteria
at
the
.25
Affair
level
for
both
buildings.
O
This
project
went
through
the
sprc
process
and
then
went
to
Transportation,
Planning
and
housing
commissions.
All
three
commissions
voted
to
recommend
approval
of
the
project,
transportation
and
Planning
Commission
added
a
motion
that
County
staff
continue
to
work
to
find
a
way
to
achieve
a
mid-block
pedestrian
Crossing
on
each
Street
and
if
that
was
not
achievable,
that
the
off-site
transportation
contribution
go
to
a
future
near-term
Capital
project
on
this
block
that
could
provide
a
safe,
mid-block
Crossing
and
improve
the
North
Brown
bicycle
facility.
O
This
is
something
that
we
heard
throughout
the
sperc
process
and
at
transportation
and
Planning
Commission.
The
community
expressed
a
desire
to
have
a
mid-block
Crossing
on
South
East.
Street
staff
does
not
support
the
addition
of
a
mid-block
Crossing,
primarily
for
concern
of
pedestrian
safety,
though,
on
the
screen
here
you
can
see
the
proposed
locations
of
curved
cuts
on
the
west
side
of
Eads
and
the
existing
locations
on
the
east
side.
O
O
Overall,
the
site
is
consistent
with
the
general
Landry's
plan.
Zoning
and
sector
plan
guidance
and
advances
several
key
County
goals
and
objectives.
First,
the
project
will
provide
the
base
affordable
housing,
as
well
as
additional
ahif
contribution,
which
can
be
leveraged
at
the
nearby
crystal
houses
and
help
with
the
creation
of
approximately
18
committed,
affordable
units
for
a
period
of
99
years.
O
The
project
will
provide
contributions
for
off-site
transportation
and
public
space
improvements
in
Crystal
City
that
will
benefit
all
members
of
the
public.
The
applicant
will
grant
a
public
access
easement
and
make
improvements
to
the
public
space
on
the
corner
of
15th
Street
and
South
East
Street.
A
P
P
P
P
And
here
you
can
see
the
proposed
site
aerial
where
you
can
see
the
11
story:
mixed-use
multi-family,
building
just
north
of
Crystal
Flats,
as
well
as
the
single
story,
retail
building
close
to
the
intersection
15th
and
Eid
Street.
One
of
the
aspects
of
The
Proposal
that
this
image
highlights
was
our
desire
to
implement
green
roofs
wherever
possible,
not
only
on
the
proposed
buildings,
but
also
on
a
section
of
the
existing
building.
P
And
here
you
can
see
the
proposed
architecture
for
the
multi-family
building.
The
existing
driveway
remains
essentially
in
the
same
location,
however,
is
fully
renovated,
with
specialty
Paving,
expanded,
sidewalks
new
plantings.
From
an
architectural
perspective,
the
building
was
approached
with
a
very
transparent
ground
floor,
attempting
to
bring
the
retail
activation
out
onto
each
Street
and
is
separated
from
the
residential
portion
above
through
this
architectural
brow
feature
that
continues
back
through
the
site.
The
residential
Towers,
comprised
of
a
porcelain,
tile,
rainscreen
and
segmented
windows
that
transitions
to
a
colored
metal
panel
As.
P
In
this
image,
we
have
now
moved
up
into
that
existing
drop-off
area
by
repurposing
that
existing
surface
asphalt
we've
been
able
to
significantly
expand
Planters.
You
can
see
that
architectural
brow
feature
that
I
mentioned
separating
the
ground
floor
from
the
residential
Tower
above
moving
all
the
way
through
the
site
and
actually
engaging
with
the
existing
Crystal
Towers
canopy,
creating
a
unique
architectural
aspect
for
the
proposal,
and
this
image
also
highlights
the
transition
and
the
facade
from
the
porcelain
towel
rain
screen.
Moving
into
that
colored
metal
panel.
P
And
now
this
image
has
shown
the
south
side
of
the
proposed
building
that
staff
mentioned
where
there
was
a
significant
amount
of
discussion
in
sprc
and
a
significant
evolution
in
our
proposal.
Through
the
process,
not
only
did
we
increase
the
Separation
by
10
feet,
but
we
also
found
a
way
to
create
ramps
to
create
a
through
block
Crossing.
That
was
not
there
previously
breaking
down
some
of
the
super
block
nature
that
was
kind
of
inherent
in
the
original
design
and
construction
for
the
1960s.
P
The
proposed
site
plan
removes
157
surface
spaces
and
in
looking
at
the
utilization
over
the
past
several
years
and
in
the
early
conversations
with
our
residents,
one
of
the
commitments
that
we
made
was
that
all
the
residents
who
have
a
space
today
would
have
a
space
and
the
future
iteration
to
the
extent
we
move
forward
and
execute
the
development
taking
into
account
both
the
existing
units
and
Crystal
towers
and
the
proposed
units,
along
with
the
additional
42
spaces
that
the
project
will
provide.
This
translates
into
a
blended
ratio
of
0.7.
P
And
now
you
now,
you
can
see
the
existing
circulation
path.
One
of
the
early
considerations
that
our
residents
have
voiced
strongly
was
the
desire
to
preserve
the
existing
circulation
that
that
currently
exists
on
the
site
today,
which
we
have
largely
been
able
to
replicate.
The
most
significant
change
is
that
we
have
changed
both
the
entry
and
exit
to
the
garage.
P
This
image
also
highlights
the
new
pedestrian
pathway
that
has
been
created
where
a
pedestrian
could
walk
off
of
South
East
Street
and
essentially
cut
the
corner
moving
around
Crystal
flask
to
18th
Street,
to
the
extent
they
desired
to
another
significant
Improvement.
This
project
is
bringing
is
a
modernization
of
the
existing
streetscape
along
Southeast
Street.
P
P
And
then,
from
a
sustainability
perspective,
we
are
intending
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
0.25
bonus,
far
Green
Building
incentive
requirements,
which
includes
lead
gold,
20,
energy
performance,
EP,
charging,
bird
glass
among
a
whole
host
of
other
prerequisites
and
two
items
I
just
specifically
wanted
to
touch
on
is
in
regards
to
the
renewable
energy.
We
are
proposing
to
install
a
rooftop
solar
array
on
the
existing
Crystal
Towers
North
building.
P
This
brings
solar
infrastructure
and
resources
to
the
location
where
the
development
is
being
proposed
and
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
that
that
a
developer
has
moved
forward
with
this
type
of
proposal.
We
thought
it
was
an
interesting
way
in
order
to
meet
the
requirement
and
then
from
an
EV
charging
standpoint
we're
proposing
four
EV
spaces
with
10
spaces
EV
ready.
P
A
Q
Q
That
was
passed
unanimously
and
then
our
second
motion
was
the
Planning.
Commission
recommends
that
the
county
staff
continue
to
work
to
find
a
way
to
achieve
a
mid-block,
pedestrian
Crossing
of
South
Eid
Street
between
15th
and
18th
Street
South,
and
if
that
is
not
achievable
with
this
project,
that
the
county
dedicate
the
500
000
off-site
Transportation
contribution
from
this
site
plan
to
a
future
near-term
Capital
project
on
South
Eid
Street
between
15th
and
18th,
Street
South.
That
could
provide
a
safe,
mid-block
Crossing,
as
well
as
improve
the
north
Northbound
bike
facilities.
Q
If
a
mid-block
Crossing
cannot
be
achieved,
the
public
also
mentioned
you
know,
making
sure
we
include
native
species
and
pollinating
species,
but,
like
I
said,
the
majority
of
them
were
talking
about
the
mid-block
crossing.
Q
We
heard
from
c2e2
who
you'll
hear
from
later
they
talked
about
you
know
this
project
does
achieve
lead
status,
but
we
still
need
to
continue
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
address
climate
change
and
looking
at
the
EV
ready,
there
is
some
some
spots
that
will
be
provided
for
electric
vehicles.
A
couple
more
spots
will
be
EV
ready,
but
the
Planning
Commission
consistently
has
agreed
that
we
need
more
spots
that
are
EV
ready.
Q
So
that
was
something
we
agreed
with
with
c2e2
Transportation
Commission
spoke
to
us
and
also
wanted
the
mid
block
Crossing,
and
then
there
was
concerns,
and
then
commissioner
giren
mentioned
the
sprc
that
reviewed
the
project
for
the
several
months,
we're
concerned
about
the
mid
block
Crossing
as
well
as
tree
canopy
permeability
through
the
site,
which
was
kind
of
addressed
as
well
as
the
crossing
okay.
Q
We
also
talked
about
the
aspect
of
the
affordable
housing.
This
project,
you
know,
has
the
choice
between
providing
on-site
or
the
cash
contribution.
In
this
case,
the
cash
contribution
could
be
directed
to
Crystal
houses
and
get
us
more
units.
There
was
a
conversation
about
you
know.
Crystal
houses
was
probably
going
to
happen
anyway.
Could
the
county
just
pay
for
that?
Q
For
that
housing
in
crystal
houses
and
then
get
the
on-site
affordable,
housing
in
this
actual
building,
there
was
a
motion
to
that
effect
before
the
Planning
Commission.
It
did
fail.
So
the
majority
of
the
Planning
Commission
did
feel
like.
Let's
just
get
those
18
units
in
crystal
houses,
though
there
was
a
discussion
if
this
was
a
missed
opportunity
to
get
six
additional
units
in
this
particular
building.
Q
Let's
see,
we
also
talked
about
pollinating
plants,
questions
about
whether
the
green
roof
was
going
to
be
accessible.
The
answer
was
no.
We
talked
about
the
parklet,
that's
going
to
be
developed.
Q
Q
Q
There
was
a
question
about
the
fact
that
the
retail
was
just
going
to
be
a
single
story.
Is
this
a
missed
opportunity
to
have
more
development
there?
Staff
and
the
applicant
kind
of
relayed
that,
based
on
kind
of
the
the
guidelines
for
this
site,
they
weren't
able
to
use
that
extra
space.
So
you
know
we
did
talk
about
that,
potentially
being
a
missed
opportunity.
Q
We
talked,
we
talked
about
the
green
ribbon
and
how
it
doesn't
quite
extend
as
far
as
this
site,
so
we
weren't
able
to
take
advantage
of
building
on
that
and
and
again
the
mid
block.
Crossing
came
up
a
lot
now,
just
the
fact
that
people
are
crossing
there
and
something
needs
to
be
done
if
not
putting
a
crosswalk
there
through
this
project,
so
that
about
sums
it
up
and
I
am
here
to
answer
questions.
If
you
have
any.
Thank
you.
A
C
R
I
am
here
all
right.
Four
is
yours.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
board,
so
the
Housing
Commission
on
the
same
night
is
the
Planning
Commission
June
1st,
considered
the
applicant's
request
for
personal
Towers,
three
set
plan
project
and,
as
the
Planning
Commission
representative
mentioned,
that
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
meet
the
base,
affordable
housing
requirement
and
make
an
additional
cash
contribution
of
1.4
million
dollars
to
earn
additional
bonus
density.
The
commission
advises
the
County
Board
to
approve
the
crystal
Towers
3
site
plan
project.
R
The
vote
was
for
to
approve
the
project
or
sorry
five
to
approve
the
project
and
four
against,
and
the
discussion
similar
to
what
was
brought
up
by
the
Planning
Commission
representative,
really
focused
on
the
trade-off
of
on-site
units
versus
the
cash
contribution.
R
This
is
the
second
site
plan
that
we've
seen
in
about
two
months,
where
staff
has
sort
of
talked
about
how
the
applicant
will
be
providing
a
cash
contribution
to
fund
units
that
the
county
has
already
committed
to
previously,
and
our
concern,
as
it
has
been
in
the
past,
is
that,
instead
of
getting
new
cath
units
to
help
us
meet
our
affordable
housing
goals
that
we
continue
to
like
behind,
who
are
using
contributions
from
new
projects
like
this
to
fund
units
that
we've
already
committed
to
as
a
community,
but
have
not
provided
funding
for
through
our
regular
budgetary
process
for
ahif.
R
So
that
was
really
the
Nexus
behind
the
four.
Essentially
protest
votes
against
the
project.
It
was
not
a
reflection
of
the
project
itself,
which
I
think
all
the
Commissioners
were
in
favor
of
of
and
supported,
but
more
so
with
concern
over
and
disappointment
over
not
getting
additional
units
as
a
result
of
this
deal,
either
on
site
or
in
another
location,
but
rather
using
the
cash
contribution
to
pay
for
sites
that
the
county
has
already
committed
to,
and
with
that.
If
you
have
any
questions
happy
to
answer
those.
S
Good
morning
for
the
record,
I'm
Joan
McIntyre,
chair
of
the
climate
change
energy
and
environment
commission,
this
project,
as
with
many
of
our
others,
you
know-
does
meet
the
minimum
requires
under
the
Green
Building
incentive
policy
at
0.25.
Far.
However,
based
on
ours,
you
already
know
much
higher
standards
really
fall
short
to
what
we
think
is
necessary
to
meet
the
County's
goal
for
carbon
neutrality
we've,
given
it
a
score
of
60,
which
is
about
the
same
as
which
is
on
par
with
many
of
the
other
projects
that
we've
we've
seen
recently.
S
As
with
all
projects,
we
really
focus
heavily
on
the
electrification
as
they
get
good
screener.
This
provides
a
pathway
to
getting
to
carbon
neutral
operations
with
we're
using
on-site
fossil
gas.
Does
not
this
project
currently
on
its
Baseline
design
is
looking
at
HVAC
gas
for
both
HVAC
and
the
hot
water
system,
but,
however,
they
do
have
in
their
energy
performance
Model
A
Alternatives.
S
That
would
get
them
to
eliminating
fossil
gas
for
operations
for
both
HVAC
and
the
hot
water
systems,
so
that
we
would
actually
strongly
encourage
them
to
continue
to
pursue
those
options
and
reach
out
to
organizations
and
companies
that
have
considerable
experience
at
this
point
in
building
decarbonization,
for
particularly
for
other
opportunities
as
well
to
reduce
their
carbon
emissions,
the
energy
performance
again
they're
meeting
the
minimum
requirement
to
20
percent.
We
tend.
We
strongly
encourage
these
projects
to
actually
exceed
25
percent
or
more
we've
seen
some
projects
that
have
actually
achieved
those
measures.
S
So
it's
definitely
doable
with
design
the
appropriate
designs
and
again
again,
the
EV
charging,
as
was
just
mentioned,
is
they're
meeting
the
minimum,
but
in
order
to
really
encourage
the
movement
towards
vehicle
electrification,
having
at
least
up
to
50
percent
of
these
spaces
to
be
EV
at
least
EV
ready,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
put
into
that
extra
expense
of
of
putting
an
infrastructure.
After
the
fact
we
do,
you
know
kind
of
commend
them
on
the
solar
array.
S
The
54
kilowatts
is
actually
I
guess,
that's
65
is
actually
higher
than
what's
required
under
the
Green
Building
incentive
policy,
creative
use
of
adjoining
buildings
to
to
meet
that
requirement.
S
If
you
look
at
the
rooftop,
there
does
appear
that
there
may
actually
be
additional
opportunities
for
additional
solar
panel
recognizing
there's
often
other
uses
for
rooftop
spaces,
so
I
would
encourage
them
to
continue
to
look
for
opportunities
where
they
can
save
on
the
margin
and
certainly
send
a
signal
that
they're
committed
to
helping
support
transition
to
clean
renewable
energy
and
then
finally,
actually
commend
the
project
for
its
use
of
parking
access
parking
space
to
put
in
this
building
a
much
better
use
of
the
land
that's
available
and
in
fact
we
would
hope
that
over
time
that
they
would
continue
to
look
at
ways
to
gradually
reduce
the
amount
of
parking
as
people
shift
to
more
Transit
and
other
other
multimodal
options.
S
Again.
This
is
a
area.
That's
developing
is
highly
walkable,
bikeable
lots
of
community
services
and
Retail
there
in
in
the
in
the
in
the
area.
So
again
you
know
kind
of
opportunities
and
and
that
would
provide
actually
additional
space
for
more
green
space,
larger
tree
canopy.
So
again,
thank
you
very
much.
C
C
We
do
our
first
speaker
is
Victor
Jones,
Victor
Jones
here.
T
Hello
I've
been
involved
in
this
type
plan
for
quite
a
while,
a
basic
basically
on
the
on
the
Landscaping.
The
most
recent
4.1
submission
contains
the
sheets,
the
farthest
landscape,
architect,
Studio
39,
prepared
on
May
5th.
That
sheet
is
part
of
conceptual
landscape
plan
that
Studio
30
non-developer
application.
It's
very
useful
to
have
this,
which
most
applicants
don't
provide
the
sheet
lifts,
these
shrubs
and
perennials,
and
ornamental
grass
or
ground
covers
of
the
applicant
in
the
studio.
There
are
presently
intend
to
pass
as
part
of
the
project.
T
Junior
39
has
added
a
commonweetus,
but
these
syriacas
and
plantless,
and
remove
rather
flatless
from
the
plants
from
the
list
and
response
to
my
suggestions
during
the
lifeline
review
process.
However,
the
Sheep
still
lists
the
number
of
cultivars
in
non-native
plants
that
they
become
invasive
or
that
may
not
survive
support
native
pollinators.
None
of
these
and
others
are
wind
pollinated
to
put
relatively
few
pollinators
and
make
brownout
plants
to
support
pollinators.
I
sent
you
a
list
of
the
seven
undesirable
friends
she
could
contains.
T
Please
see
that
list
for
more
information
disappear,
I,
Advance,
the
applicated
studio
39
at
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
an
email
message
just
to
remove
or
reduce
the
number
of
these
pads
I've
also
set
the
applicant
to
Studio
39,
copies
of
published
lists
of
native
plants,
the
support
pollinated
in
the
Mid-Atlantic
and
Northeast
portions
of
the
United
States.
However,
the
risk
remains
unchanged
since,
since
May
5th,
they
could
have
changed
it
by
this
time.
So
therefore,
I
have
this
request.
T
If
the
applicant
does
not
remove,
does
not
agree
to
remove
the
at
this
meeting
to
remove
the
cultivate
the
non-native
plants
that
I
identified
I
asked
on
the
County
Board
denying
approval
of
the
site
plan,
or
at
least
in
that
part,
the
project
site
site,
contains
a
conceptual
landscape
plan
that
would
introduce
in
the
county
a
number
of
non-native
plants
that
may
become
invasive.
If
the
County
Board
approves
a
site
plan,
it
would
be
difficult
for
the
county
county
staff
to
rule
those
plants
for
reviewing
the
final
Landscaping
plan.
T
First
of
all,
it's
pretty
hard
to
find
them.
You
have
to
do
a
lot
of
research
to
do
to
find
it
and
second
of
all
they
they
will
have
this
conceptual
landscape
after
you
approved,
and
you
know,
as
some
reluctance
to
change
things
like
that.
T
So
I
say:
please
do
something
about
this
talk
about
it
and
see
whether
that's,
if
absence
applicant,
if
they're
willing
to
change
that
to
remove
those
plans,
I
think
and
then
they
have
a
long
list
of
other
plants
that
will
that
we
are
native
that
will
fit
on
the
side
plans
and
they
can
make
it
substitute
now.
Those
thank
you.
A
Consideration
is
now
with
the
County
Board
colleagues,
before
we
move
to
a
motion.
Let's
have
any
questions
on
the
various
presentations
from
staff
the
applicant
or
our
Advisory
Group,
starting
with
Mr
deferanti,
just.
K
One
question
Mr
chair:
it's
for
our
staff
and
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
Miss
Badger
or
who
it
would
be.
It's
if
you
could
add
a
little
more
regarding
mid-block
Crossing
in
light
of
the
planning
commissions,
comments
that
there
still
might
be
a
need
and
their
their
hope
that
we
could
seek
to
resolve.
K
This
I
am
mindful
there's
another
effort
at
a
moving,
a
bus,
stop
towards
the
middle
of
a
block
that
helped
me
learn
about
the
challenges
involved
with
safety,
but
I
wondered
if
a
staff
could
speak
to
whether
this
whether
there
would
be
any
leads
as
to
a
process
for
considering
mid-block
or
whether
safety
is
an
impediment
that
would
be
difficult
to
overcome
or
thoughts
on
the
topic.
U
My
name
is
Joanne
Gabor,
with
Arlington
County,
Des
and
I'll,
be
speaking
about
the
mid
block
Crossing.
This
first
slide
you're.
Seeing
here
shows
you
what
the
existing
conditions
of
Southeast
Street
between
15th,
Street
and
18th
Street
on
this
slide.
Eid
street
is
basically
north
east
west
and
then
15th
Street
is
on
the
right
side.
The
red
trapezoids
represent
existing
driveway
aprons.
U
The
project
site
is
on
the
west
side
and
north
on
this
exhibit
in
the
proposed
conditions
in
the
proposed
conditions.
We've
added
some
dimensions
and
you'll
also
see
that
one
curb
cut
on
the
north
side
of
this
slide
has
actually
been
removed.
With
the
proposed
project,
the
approximate
location
of
mid-block
Crossing
would
be
essentially
where
the
50-foot
number
is
shown
in
between
the
curb
cuts
for
the
Marriott
hotel.
U
As
you
can
see
on
this
south
side
again
in
this
slide,
we
have
50
feet
and
on
the
North
side,
we
have
about
110
feet
between
the
existing
excuse
me
curb
cuts.
All
four
of
these
entrances
are
entrance
and
exit
points
and
vehicles
can
go
Northbound
and
Southbound
on
Eid
Street
Eid
street
today
and
in
the
proposed
conditions,
will
be
one
travel
in
each
Direction
with
a
center
turn
lane.
We
do
parking
on
both
sides
where
allowed
for
safety
conditions,
and
we
also
have
protected
bicycle
facilities
in
the
Northbound
and
southbound
Direction.
U
Providing
a
mid
Block
in
this
location
is
something
we
are
worried
about
from
a
safety
consideration
due
to
all
the
vehicles
making
all
sorts
of
movements
in
this
confined
space.
We
also
have
some
slides
that
are
going
to
show.
Basically
what
does
this
entrance
look
like
on
the
Marriott
side?
To
give
you
a
little
view,
if
you
haven't
been
out
there
recently.
U
U
And
this
shows
you
looking
Northbound,
so
the
Marriott
is
on
the
right
side
and
the
applicants
project
is
on
the
left
side,
and
then
this
shows
you
South
Bend,
on
Eid
Street,
and
this
is
one
of
our
primary
concerns-
is
making
sure
that
we
don't
provide
a
mid-block
Crossing
that
then
imperils
the
safety
of
individuals
that
would
be
Crossing
this
location.
One
of
the
other
concerns
we
have
that
was
touched
on
briefly.
If.
U
Of
the
other
concerns
we
have
is
the
lack
of
pedestrian
and
publicly
accessible
Pathways
at
this
mid-block
location.
This
is
showing
a
larger
project
scale
of
the
applicants
project
and,
as
you
can
see,
with
the
buildings,
there's
physically
very
limited
ability
to
walk
through
the
site
unless
you
are
a
resident
here,
for
example,
if
I'm
at
the
far
North
left
corner
at
18th
and
fern
here,
if
I
wanted
to
go
through
the
site,
unless
I'm
a
resident
able
to
get
in
the
building,
essentially
I'm
going
to
be
walking
around
the
block.
U
When
we
look
at
the
Marriott
side,
as
we
were
just
showing
you,
there
is
the
Marriott
Hotel.
There
is
an
access
to
the
underground
in
that
location,
but
we
do
not,
to
our
knowledge,
have
any
public
easements
that
provide
legal
access
for
individuals
to
use
that
so
where
we
do
have
a
lot
of
these
mid-block
Crossings
or
pedestrian
crossings
that
aren't
associated
with
streets.
Typically,
we
have
either
one
or
both
sides
leads
you
to
a
publicly
accessible
pathway,
and
that's
not
something
that
we
really
have
at
this
point.
U
L
On
the
same
topic,
thank
you
Ms
Gabor,
for
that
orientation
to
the
issue,
one
of
the
things
I'm
trying
to
get
a
beat
on.
It
feels
like
a
long
span
right,
a
very
large
block
without
a
Crossing,
but
it
feels
like
it's
probably
not.
A
great
base
is
for
decision,
so
I'm
wondering
do
we
have
any
standards
either
in
terms
of
urban
design
standards,
for
how
long
of
a
block
a
block
should
go
without
a
Crossing
or
traffic
engineering
and
operation
standards,
for
how
close
is
too
close
for
Crossings
to
be
together.
U
So
you're
correct:
this
is
a
very
long
Crossing
yeah
when
we
look
at
our
street
grid.
If
you
just
sort
of
look
number
wise,
you
know
15th
and
18th
Street.
So
you
know
the
obvious
question
would
be
where
16th
and
17th
Street.
So
we
do
not
have
those
here.
That
is
there's
a
true
statement,
so
it
is
something
we
do
try
and
provide
Crossings
more
frequently
than
the
800
feet
we
do
have
here
and
a
lot
of
that
comes
through
the
development
of
the
site.
U
When
we
look
at
you
know,
the
sector
plans
those
larger
scale,
projects
and
plans
that
we
develop,
trying
to
provide
that
permeability
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
and
folks
that
use
scooters
and
that's
something
as
we
did
develop
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan.
It's
not
something
that
was
specified
in
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan,
specifically
and
I.
U
Think
what
it
is
is
with
this
block
you
if
there
was
publicly
accessible
paths
somewhere
through
this
site,
I
think
we
would
probably
be
more
interested
in
trying
to
provide
that
pedestrian
Crossing,
but
with
the
lack
of
pedestrian
and
publicly
accessible
pathways
on
either
side.
That
is,
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
where
the
desire
of
this
location
is
probably
not
as
high
as
maybe
it
would
be
in
other
places,.
L
I
I
ask
him
part
because
one
of
the
things
that
comes
to
mind
when
I
look
at
I
thought
it
was
slide
13
the
original
presentation
it
might
have
been
21
or
23
of
what
we
just
saw,
but
the
one
that
shows
the
the
various
width
with
it
with
the
numbers
is,
my
instinct
was
to
ask:
is
it
possible
to
do
a
mid-block
Crossing?
That
is
not
truly
mid-block
right?
L
That
is,
you
know,
maybe
out
of
the
sort
of
direct
conflict
area
of
those
multiple
driveway
aprons,
but
still
provide
some
relief
Beyond
those
800
feet,
I
think
the
question
I
had
was
well.
You
know.
If
you've
got
then
two
Crossings
say
300
feet
apart
rather
than
400
feet.
Is
that
sort
of
counter
to
the
way
we
generally
engineer
our
streets
so
so
any
thoughts
any
had
any
consideration
been
given
to
the
idea
of
kind
of
maneuvering
to
not
quite
mid-block
to
deliver
that
relief
for
pedestrians
without
coming
into
conflict.
U
So,
looking
at
this
slide
again,
you
can
see
that
we
do
have
the
50
feet
that
we're
focusing
on
with
the
mid
block,
but
also
moving
further
north.
We
have
about
115
feet
between
the
driver
for
the
Marriott
and
that's
actually
a
loading
facility,
and
then
we
have
about
175
feet
from
that
loading
facility
to
the
intersection
of
15th
Street.
So
those
are
all
generally
pretty
close
together
and
what
ends
up
happening.
Is
you
start
looking
at
you?
What
is
that
desire
line?
U
So
in
my
mind,
the
northern
part
of
this
is
something
we
wouldn't
want
to
have
mid-block
just
because
of
the
proximity
of
those
driveway
aprons.
So
looking
at
that
southern
portion,
you
know
we
do
have
340
feet.
You
don't
want
to
have
mid
block
Crossings
too
close
to
intersections,
just
because
people
don't
want
to
you
know
they
aren't
expecting
it
they've
gone
through
a
traffic
signal
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
if
they're
coming
along
and
approach
a
pedestrian
Crossing.
Is
it
something
that's
unexpected
and
that's
where
I
think
it
comes
back
to?
U
What
is
that
desire
line
that
I'm
looking
for
so
let's
say
we
put
something
you
know
in
that
southern
portion.
What
is
it
that
people
are
gaining
and
where
would
people
be
going
to
and
that's
what
I'm
struggling
with
is
if
I
look,
if
I'm
on
the
east
or
the
west
side,
if
I
cross,
you
know
where
am
I
going
to
and
most
likely
unless
I
am.
J
Well,
a
little
more
on
mid-block.
One
of
the
speakers
said
that
people
are
crossing
anyway.
Do
we
know
how
many
people
are
crossing
I'm
from
I'm
hearing
you're,
basically
saying
Miss
McGowan,
basically
they're,
not
too
many
people
they're
going
to
want
to
do
this.
So
there's
not
much
and
other
folks
are
saying:
well,
people
are
doing
it.
Maybe
it's
just
very
very
rarely
do
we
have
a
sense
of
how
much
people
are
actually
Crossing
just
anyway,
so.
U
We
do
not
have
shall
County
data
or
counts
that
have
been
completed
this
portion
and
with
the
project.
It's
not
something
that
we
require
them
to
do
Crossing,
so
our
individuals
doing
it.
U
You
know
speculative
most
likely,
but
it's
not
something.
We
have
data
so,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
specific
numbers.
I
can
share.
Today.
Okay,.
J
Because
that
would
be
sort
of
interesting
to
know
what,
because
people
are
just
doing
it
anyway,
then
that
you
know
there
may
be
something
we
need
to
look
at
a
little
more
talking
with
with
folks
from
that
area.
There
was
a
desire
to
sort
of
look
at
for
us
to
look
at
eid's
Street
and
make
it
much
more
pedestrian
friendly,
because
you're
saying
you
can't
do
it
because
of
this,
and
this
and
says:
do
we
have
an
overall
plan?
I'm.
U
So
we
have
a
slide
we're
going
to
pull
up.
It
shows
you
basically
the
progress
that
we're
making
along
Eid
Street
all
the
way
from
Army
Navy
Drive
down
to
23rd
Street
as
we're
pulling
this
up.
What
we
are
finding
is
with
Eid
Street.
The
nature
of
Eid
street
is
changing
significantly
exactly.
That
was
the
point
we
do
have
met
park.
That
is
opening
you
know.
Next
week
we
do
a
pen
place
that
is
going
to
be
coming
in
the
future.
So
this
slide
is
showing
you
again,
Army
Navy
drives
on
the
right.
U
That's
the
northern
portion
each
street
is
long.
Basically,
the
East
West
here
everything's
shown
in
red
are
improvements
that
are
going
to
be
done
along
the
frontage,
typically
streetscape
improvements,
wider
sidewalks,
streetscape,
typically
improvements
to
the
buffered
bicycle
facilities.
All
the
red
frontages
will
be
done
through
private
development
projects
and
all
the
yellow
are
being
done
through
County
projects.
So
what
you'll
see
is
on
the
west
side
again
North
on
this
slide,
all
the
way
from
Army
Navy
down
to
22nd
Street
will
be
approved
eventually,
and
this
is
being
done
through
the
Penn
Place
development.
U
The
Met
Park
development,
the
crystal
Towers
development
that
we're
speaking
of
and
also
the
crystal
houses,
development
on
the
east
side.
We
do
have
the
Americana
that
is
going
to
be
doing
a
small
portion
of
their
Frontage,
but
we
have
County
projects
already
in
place
that
are
going
to
start
construction
next
year
that
we'll
be
doing
improvements
on
the
opposite
side
again
from
Army
Navy
down
to
about
15th
Street.
So
we
do
not
have
currently
a
CIP
project
that
does
propose
improvements
along
these.
U
U
There
is
very
much
a
change
in
the
use
we're
also
seeing
just
generally
in
that
Crystal
sea,
depending
on
City
area,
we're
trying
to
encourage
you,
know
more
bicycles,
more
pedestrians,
making
it
a
safer
area
for
individuals,
especially
our
most
vulnerable,
have
more
Transit
facilities
because
we
want
to
get
folks
out
of
those
vehicles,
and
so
looking
at
this
I
think
is
going
to
make
sense
in
the
long
term.
But
again
it's
not
something
we
have
programmed
in
the
CIP
currently.
J
Thank
you,
yeah
I
I
think
we
want
to
I
mean
maybe
move
it
up
a
little
bit
as
you're
saying
the
whole
nature
of
that
street
is
changing
and
I.
Think
as
it
continues
to
change.
There'll,
probably
be
more
people
doing
the
mid
Bros
crossing.
Without
what
about
I
mean
one
of
the
things
you
I
assume
you
could
do.
I
am
no
traffic
engineer,
but
you've
got
the
the
turn
Lanes
in
the
middle.
J
What,
if
every
now-
and
then
we
put
you
know
basically
a
pedestrian
Refuge
like
some
tree,
you
know
a
larger
area
with
trees
so
that
it
isn't
the
turn.
Lane
doesn't
go
the
whole
length
of
the
street
every
now
and
then
it's
broken
up
by
you
know
a
nice
area
with
some
grass
and
a
tree
and
and
maybe
a
place
that
a
pedestrian
is
making
a
Crossing
that
we
don't
really
maybe
want
them
to
make.
But
they'd
have
a
safe
place
to
kind
of
take
refuge.
U
Do
we
absolutely
do
that
there
are
areas
where
we
have
introduced?
You
know
a
pedestrian
Crossing
in
locations
where
we
do
some
medians
or
some
you
know.
Maybe
it's
just
concrete.
Maybe
it
is
some
sort
of
vegetation
to
provide
that
safe
Crossing
for
individuals.
The
challenge
here
and
I
hate
to
I
hate
to
come
back
to
this
over
and
over
is
we.
U
You
know
enter
and
exit
the
flow
of
traffic,
and
that
would
basically
be
exactly
where
you
would
want
to
have
those
buffered
areas
if
you
will
to
make
sure
the
pedestrians
are
safe,
so
it
becomes
a
conflict
of
you
want
to
have
the
pedestrians
in
one
spot
and
that's
also
where
Vehicles
want
to
sit
to
be
able
to
turn
into
and
out
of
the
site
safely
and
I.
J
Thank
you
well,
I
think
we
sort
of
this
is
something
we
sort
of
need
to
keep
looking
at,
because
I
think
over
time.
Probably
what
we
want
to
do
will
change
and
appreciate
everybody
kind
of
wing
and
I
can
see
where
this
is
maybe
not
right
now,
the
time
to
do
it,
but
I
can
see
a
time
where
we
really
would
want
to
try
to.
You
know:
do
that
Foster
the
The
Walking
a
little
bit
more
there.
Thank
you,
Mr
Karen
Honus,.
M
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
I,
will
continue
to
beat
that
that
horse
a
little
bit
so
because
I
I
agree
with
Miss
Garvey
Southeast
Street
is
now
changing
officially
and
and
Big
Time.
Actually,
this
this
block
has
not
only
problems
of
mid
blog
Crossing
at
Southeast.
It
has
all
those
also
problems
of
mid
block
Crossing
on
15th
and
on
Fern
and
on
18th
so,
and
it's
not
very
unusual
to
have
to
deal
with
so
many
accesses
in
curb
Quest.
This
is
the
legacy
of
drivable
urbanism
and
we
have
to
deal
with
that.
M
So
question
number
one
on
the
south
side
of
on
on
the
east
side
of
Southeast,
so
where,
where
the
Marriott
is
so
we
have
this
circle,
the
X,
the
what
the
the
the
the
South
entrance
is
only
for
incoming
traffic
northbound
right.
U
Don't
think
there
is
a
legal
impediment
to
driving
in
both
sides.
I
will
say:
generally
individuals
do
enter
from
The
More
Southern
one
or
the
right
on
this
slide.
As
you
can
see,
their
vehicles
parked
in
both
directions,
just
as
this
was
taking
is
just
a
street
view
from
Google
Maps.
U
So
it
is
something
that
at
this
point,
it
is
not
officially
entry
only
on
the
southern
end
and
then
exit
only
on
the
Northern
end.
That.
M
Would
be
something
that
we
could
fix
right
and
we
could
also
make
make
sure
that,
for
example,
in
in
the
exit
of
that
drivers,
don't
drive
any
direction,
but
we
we
make
it.
We
make
a
compulsory
to
drive
Only
One,
Direction
North,
and
then
they
Circle
the
block
to
get
to
to
get
to
where
other,
wherever
else
they
want
to
get.
So
there
are
measures
you
know
to
plan
for
a
safer,
more
predictable
driving
environment
there.
So
that's
more
predictable
for
for
pedestrians
as
well.
So
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
to
do
that.
M
U
So
this
the
Marriott
was
built
a
number
of
years
ago,
oh
yeah,
and
so
when
it
was
built
I'm
sure
this
was
the
standard
within
the
county.
As
you
can
see,
it
is
asphalt.
So
it
does
read,
you
know
more
vehicle
friendly
than
pedestrian
friendly,
I
would
say.
The
current
County
standards
do
require
a
concrete
apron
and
a
concrete
sidewalk,
and
have
that
sidewalk,
be
it
sidewalk
level
if
you
will
across
the
entire
driveway
entrance.
So
it
is
more
pedestrian
friendly
from
a
visual
standpoint
with
the
new
County
standards.
U
U
The
aprons
that
are
going
to
be
proposed
with
this
project-
they
will
be
two
new
aprons
and
they
will
be
included
and
upgraded
to
our
current
standard.
So
it
will
be
a
concrete
apron
and
the
sidewalk
will
be
basically
be
continuous
sidewalk,
where
they're
sidewalk
in
where
there's
driveway
apron,
which
visually
you
know,
cues
folks
that
there's
a
pedestrian
Crossing
and
it
also
provides
so
pedestrians,
don't
have
to
use
any
ramps
to
get
down
to
driveways
access
level,
so
we'll
be
a
different
nature,
visually
and
also
functionally
for
pedestrians.
But.
M
U
It's
not
a
bump,
essentially
what
it
is
is
you
basically
ramp
up
from
the
street?
So
if
the
street,
this
from
the
street
to
the
sidewalk,
is
typically
about
six
inches,
so
the
driveway
apron
does
ramp
up
that
six
inches,
so
the
sidewalk
elevation
will
be
essentially
continuous
or
the
same.
If
you're
walking
down
the
sidewalk,
whether
you
are
on
the
apron
or
not
on
the
apron.
M
U
I
want
to
make
sure
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
you're,
speaking
of
so
the
sidewalk
generally
speaking,
parallel
to
the
street
is
what
you're
talking
about
right.
Okay,
yes,
so
it
is
something
that
it
is
very
pedestrian
friendly.
We
have
had
this
standard
for
probably
the
last
five
or
ten
years.
So
when
you
look
at
any
new
development,
that's
the
standard
you're
going
to
see.
We
typically
don't
like
to
do
something
like
bollards
as
you're,
mentioning
because
it
does
limit
the
width
of
the
sidewalks.
U
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
Ada
accessible
and
they're
Ada
friendly,
so
putting
bollards
is
something
that
generally
is
not
something
staff
uses
unless
there's
an
additional
reason.
M
I
mean
they
can
be
very
skinny
and
they
will
be,
and-
and
these
are
a
relatively
wide
side-
walk
so
I'm
not
so
concerned
about
that
I'm.
What
what
I'm
after
is
to
figure
out
that
there
are
solutions
that
if
we
sit
down-
and
we
really
want
to
do
that,
we
we
can
find
ways
to
I
understand
the
reluctance
to
do
it
under
the
current
conditions.
But
it's
not
unfixable
I
mean
it's
it's
fixable,
especially
if
we
see
how
Southeast
Street
is
shaping
up.
You
have
a
hotel.
M
U
It
will
be
very
different
when
the
project
is
developed,
I
think
the
concern-
and
maybe
I'm
not
articulating
this
very
well.
Our
concern
isn't
so
much
the
individuals
on
the
sidewalks
and
the
driveway
aprons
it's
when
individuals
would
be
Crossing,
Eid,
Street
and
vehicles
turning
into
or
out
of
the
driveways,
that's
more.
What
our
concern
about
is
having
individuals
sitting
basically
in
the
center
turn
lane
and
potentially
Vehicles
wanting
to
turn
so
enter
that
same
space.
That's
what
our
focus
of
our
pedestrian
safety
concerns
are
in
this
area.
M
A
pedestrian
active
Street
we
may
be
tempted
to
limit
what
happens
on
a
on
a
middle
Lane
and
begin
to
be
more
restrictive
there,
so
that
it's
safer
for
everybody
both
for
drivers
and
for
pedestrians
right.
So
this
is
still
a
legacy
feature
for
drive
everywhere
anytime
in
any
direction.
We
we're
not
wedded
to
that.
U
M
A
Thank
you,
it's
Dad
to
add
to
this
very
extensive
commentary
on
the
mid
block.
A
You
know
it's
it's
an
interesting
one
and
I
understand
the
desire
to
marry
our
desire
to
break
up
super
blocks,
but
then,
when
you
get
to
the
real
world
application,
what's
the
utility
of
it
it's
to
serve
people
from
Crystal
Towers
existing
who
may
want
to
access
the
Marriott
or
the
underground,
which
you
know
I'm
sure
there
are
some
and
in
the
future,
when
the
this
infill
project
is
completed,
there
might
be
some
retail
that's
attractive
to
people
who
are
staying
across
the
street
at
the
Marriott.
A
Don't
know
how
many
that
will
be,
but
it
it
could
be
some,
but
it's
probably
not
a
large
number
of
people.
If
we're.
If
we're
going
to
be
frank-
and
you
know,
I
would
find
it
interesting
to
create
a
safer
condition
for
a
unknown,
but
relatively
small
number
of
people
to
safely
cross
would
require
introducing
conflicts
for
the
great
many
more
who
currently
use
the
street
today.
That
would
be
from
a
public
policy
standpoint
a
little
odd
and
I've
taken.
The
point
of
you
know
in
the
vein
of
Mr
Karen
Thomas.
A
We
could
actually
create
a
crossing
here.
We
could
do
a
grade
separated
Crossing
if
the
need
were
so
urgent
and
so
great
and
I've
not
heard
anyone
mention
that
as
a
possible
solution
and
I
think
it's
because
it
would
kind
of
not
be
worth
the
expense.
We
would
not
see
that
as
something
that
was
was
useful.
A
So,
while
I
appreciate
the
desire
to
have
one
if
it,
if
it
worked
to
me,
it's
pretty
clear
that
it
doesn't
and
asking
people
to
safely
navigate
to
the
existing
crosswalks
while
not
the
most
efficient
route
is
also
not
extremely
unduly
burdensome.
In
my
opinion,
but
I
think
we're
done
with
the
mid-block
crossing
right.
How
about
we
move
to
another
issue?
Miss
Crystal.
L
I
wanted
to
Echo
the
comments
made
I
think
by
a
couple
of
our
commissions
in
support
of
the
shared
parking
model
here,
which
I
am
so
glad
to
see,
and
in
fact
this
is
the
second
time
in
not
quite
as
many
months,
but
it's
three
three
months
that
we've
seen
a
project
in
Crystal
City,
which
we
know
is
so
overparked
to
take
advantage
of
this,
and
it's
a
it's
a
great
thing
to
see,
because
I
think
that
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
a
slower
uptake
than
I
might
have
hoped
for
when
we
passed
those
residential
permit
residential
parking
minimums
reforms.
L
A
few
years
ago,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
to
clarify
the
the
projects
with
which
parking
will
be
shared.
This
is
all
part
of
the
same
site
plan.
Correct,
okay,
I
noticed
that,
because
I
know
we
talked
with
the
Americana
and
the
Bartlett,
but
it
required
an
amendment
to
the
receiving
site
as
well,
which
is
something
I
still
hope
we
can
address,
because
I
think
it's
an
obstacle.
So,
okay,
so
very
helpful
to
know,
and
largely
just
again
to
share
my
appreciation
for
that.
L
I
think
it's
a
good
use
of
existing
resources
and
knowing
how
much
new
parking
contributes
to
the
cost
of
building
apartments
and
therefore
rent
I
think
it's
something
we
should
be
seeking
to
avoid
and
glad
that
this
project
does
that.
J
Yeah
continuing
a
little
bit
on
parking,
EV
parking,
so
I
think
what
we
usually
do
is
I
see
a
lot
five
percent
there
and
15
ebready
and
I've
been
listening
to
the
radio
and
all
of
the
EV
cars
that
are
going
to
come
and
the
lack
of
infrastructure
and
how
everybody's
going
to
need
to
add
more
so
could
I'd
actually
have
interested
in
both
the
applicant
and
our
staff
talking
just
a
little
bit
about
EV
ready,
and
should
we
be
considering
more
than
15?
Would
that
make
sense.
P
From
our
standpoint,
I
think
that
we're
agreeing
to
meet
the
policy
requirement
for
participating
in
the
Green
Building
incentive
program.
We
have
worked
with
our
design
team
to
understand
what
our
potential
capacity
would
be
to
install
additional
EV
Chargers,
to
the
extent
that
future
demand
warrants
warranted
so
and
I
think
that
we
have
the
ability
to
expand
the
number
of
EV
Chargers
up
to
about
30,
with
the
existing
Transformer
capacity,
with
the
switchgear
capacity
and
I.
Think,
as
we
continue
to
monitor
demand
for
EVS
over
the
next
several
years.
P
Given
that
we
do
have
the
shared
nature
between
the
existing
Crystal
Towers
units
and
the
proposed
units
that
we
could
have
the
ability
to
provide
additional
EV
Chargers
to
Surf
both
buildings.
And
so
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
Monitor
and
to
the
extent.
We
believe
that
we
will
have
people
who
want
more
EV
Chargers
than
we'll
incorporate
them
into
the
project.
When
we
go
and
actually
develop.
J
It
thank
you,
yeah
I
think
it
may
get
to
be
in
your
interest
so
and
what
I
always
hear
in
my
understanding
is
some
of
the
issue
is
the
lack
of
capacity
of
the
electricity
coming
in
and
I
assume
Dominion
is
working
on
that
I
think
they
are,
but
that's
a
real
I
think
issue
that
we're
going
to
be
bumping
up
against
soon,
okay,
so
and
then
just
a
little
bit
more
so
when
you
say
you've
got
the
capacity
to
add
more,
but
but
it's
really
Your
Capacity
is
curtailed
by
the
electricity.
J
P
Would
ultimately
be
the
curtailing
factor?
Is
yes
the
grid,
but
also
the
Transformer
capacity,
so
we
have
Incorporated
additional
capacity
into
the
number
of
the
Transformers
and
that
gets
into
size
in
the
Transformers
and
sizing
the
Transformer
vault.
In
order
to
build
in
that
additional
flexibility,
as
we
look
on
what
the
requirements
from
an
electrical
nature
would
be
on
the
project
potentially
in
the
future.
Thank.
J
P
The
Transformers
are
provided
by
Dominion
okay,
so
we
provide
the
anticipated
load
votes
for
what
the
building
will
require
and
in
this
project,
specifically
understanding
that
the
project
might
have
additional
electrical
requirements.
As
things
like
EV
Chargers
become
more
broadly
adopted.
We
wanted
to
build
in
flexibility
to
accommodate
what
that
future
demand
might
look.
O
Ahead
quickly,
this
is
part
of
our
Green
Building
incentive
program
is
there's
a
prerequisite
to
to
meet
a
minimum
number
of
EV
Chargers
an
EV
charger,
EV
ready
spaces
which
the
applicant
is
doing
with
this
project.
I
know
that
the
Green
Building
incentive
program
is
being
re-looked
at
in
the
coming
year
or
so,
and
maybe
updating
those
numbers,
but
I
do
I,
do
not
know
what
they
would
be
at
this
time.
Okay,.
J
And
are
we
also
working
with
Dominion
I
mean
I,
assume,
there's
a
lot
of
feeling
like
we're
about
to
bump
up
into
a
big
problem,
possibly
with
everybody
getting
Evie
wanting
to
get
these
EV
cards
like
hearing
that
they're
going
to
be
producing
a
lot
of
them,
people
buying
them
and
suddenly
we
we're
bumping
up
against
the
actual
capacity
of
the
the
grid
to
provide
the
power
that
we
need.
I.
Think
if
people
are
working
on
that,
just
any
more
thoughts
on
that
you
may
not
know
it.
May
there.
O
U
I
think
I
just
want
to
Echo
what
the
app
that
was
mentioning
is
it's.
It's
basically
a
two-prong
approach.
There's
one
is
there's
the
grid,
but
then
there's
also
the
Transformers
that
the
development
has
to
include
with
their
development,
so
the
Transformers
generally
are
larger
in
size.
So
if
they
want
to
have
more
capacity,
then
they're
more
Transformers,
which
results
in
a
larger
electric
Vault.
So
the
question
is
yeah.
U
What
is
the
appropriate
size
and
how
much
extra
capacity,
if
you
will
does
a
developer,
want
to
provide
as
Miss
Badger
mentioned,
the
current
Green
Building
incentive
program
does
require
a
minimum
and
that's
what
we
ask
the
developers
to
require
to
provide
if
they
want
to
provide
more.
That
is
up
to
them.
Okay,.
J
Thank
you,
I
think
this
is
another
one
like
the
E
Street
things
are
changing.
Changing
things
are
changing
pretty
quickly
and
this
work
that
we
do
doesn't
move
quickly
so
anyway,
thank
you,
I
think
I'll
probably
just
be
interested
in
online.
You
know
I
think
I
do
for
an
update
on
how
we're
doing
on
our
electric
infrastructure.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Ms
Garvey.
If
I
can
continue
this
conversation
and
I'll
know
it
I
believe
the
District
of
Columbia
has
a
legislative
requirement
for
20
of
units
and
new
multi
in
on
off
street
parking
to
be
EV
ready,
essentially,
but
a
couple
questions
for
Mr
Vaughn
I.
Imagine
that
in
addition
to
what
we
encourage
you
to
do,
we
encouraged
you
to
do
with
this
another
factor
in
the
number
of
spaces
that
you're
providing
that
are
EV
charged
at
the
outset
versus
ready
over
time
is
based
on
anticipated
demand.
A
P
I
I
mean
I
think
that,
in
addition
to
the
conversation
with
Dominion,
the
evolution
and
EV
charging
technology
is
also
responding
to
some
of
these
electrical
constraints,
to
where
they
can
more
efficiently
allocate
a
certain
amount
of
electricity
across
a
larger
number
of
chargers.
So
we
feel
that
we
have
built
in
sufficient
capacity
to
provide
EV
Chargers
to
almost
all
of
the
new
spaces
that
we
will
be
providing,
which
we
hope
will
be
sufficient
to
meet
future
demand.
If
not,
then
we
will
continue
to
work
with.
A
So
if
I
could
put
it
into
my
understanding-
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
you're,
looking
at
this
being
sufficient
to
meet
Demand
with
things
that
you
know
now,
you
think
the
trend
line
moving
forward
is
to
make
more
efficient
use
of
delivering
electricity
to
Chargers.
So
that
can
accommodate
growth
and,
if
you're
wrong
on
all
of
that,
you'll
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
put
in
more
I.
Think
that's.
A
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
grounded
in
this
conversation
of
EV
ready
it's
a
matter
of
whether
or
not
the
resources
are
put
into
sort
of
future
proofing,
Now
versus
the
risk
being
carried
by
someone
who
develops
property
to
deal
with
it
later,
because,
if
you're
not
going
to
meet
the
demand
for
people
who
want
to
charge
their
vehicles
they're
not
going
to
lease
your
space,
so
there
is
a
risk
allocation
here.
That
also
has
you
know
a
sort
of
cost
implication
today.
A
If
you
require
somebody
to
put
in
infrastructure,
that's
not
needed.
It's
not
like
they're,
just
gonna
eat
that
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
pass
those
costs
on
to
people
who
certainly
rent
at
the
outset,
so
I
get
that
this
is
a
delicate
dance.
I
do
appreciate
that
c2e2
is
always
the
the
place
of
encouraging
more.
M
You
Mr
Doshi,
actually
to
your
comment.
I
I
want
to
say
two
things.
First
of
all,
we're
still
in
the
very
early
stage
of
understanding
what
kind
of
infrastructure
we
need
and
where
and
how
it
is
not
written
in
stone
that
trickle
charging
is
the
best
way
to
deliver
that
or
that
we
you
know
that
your
apartment
building
is
also
your
your
your
your
power
station.
You
could
run
different
models
of
that
and
we
are
thinking
actively
about
that.
M
For
example,
you
could
have
you
know
a
good
station
for
quick
charging,
and
then
you
know,
through
software
and
other
means
circulate
the
users
Etc.
There
are
also
issues
of
fire
safety,
etc,
etc.
So
the
critical
part
is
that
when,
when
you
size
your
your
electrical
supply,
you
you
talk
or-
and
we
talk-
I
mean
this.
This
applies
to
us
to
our
side
as
well.
We
we
talk
with
the
power
companies,
about
power
availability
now
and
in
the
near
future.
M
This
is
the
critical
part
to
understand,
and
then
the
onus
is
also
on
us
to
produce
the
infrastructure
that
will
actually
allow
people
to
charge
and
to
to
be
able
to
circulate
properly
and
to
use
electric
vehicles
freely.
So
this
is
why
I
think
that
our
our
side
of
thinking
about
what
is
the
infrastructure
that
Arlington
in
general
will
be
offering
to
those
who
drive
EVS
is
the
critical
parameter.
A
lot
of
risk
is
unloaded
on
yours
on
your
side
right
now,
and
we
should
assume
our
part
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Karen,
Thomas
Mr
Schwartz
would
like
to
contribute
to
this
conversation.
Yeah.
I
Up
batteries,
and
so,
but
we
you
know,
dweck
and
I-
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
them
they're
working
with
us
on
another
project,
to
try
to
model
how
we
do
a
better
job
of
that,
because
you're
absolutely
correct.
There
will
be
a
much
greater
demand
for
that.
In
this
particular
case,
it's
a
little
bit
more
straightforward,
given
the
way
the
parking
is
set
up
here,
but
I
just
wanted
to
thank
them
for
partnering
with
us
and
you'll
be
hearing
a
lot
more
about
this
as
projects
come
in.
Thank.
A
M
A
Right,
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
make
that
motion,
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
have
any
discussion
on
any
and
all
issues.
Thank
you
with.
M
22-00018
Cyclone
amendment
to
site
plan
number
13.
M
permit
the
construction
of
up
to
2005
and
2005
200
and
5101
square
feet
of
residential
gross
floor
area,
209
residential
units
and
approximately
28
00076
square
feet
of
retail
gross
floor
area
with
modifications
of
zoning
standards
for
additional
density,
reduced,
residential
and
Retail
parking
ratios
density
exclusions
and
other
modifications
necessary
to
achieve
the
proposed
development
subject
to
the
conditions
of
the
attached
ordinance
to
this
staff
report.
So
moved.
A
M
So
I
I
lost
my
notes,
but
I
have
to
say
I
mean
about
five
years
ago.
I
had
to
give
a
talk,
and
it
was
the
the
topic
was
density
without
urbanism.
This
was
about
the
relationship
between
density
and
urbanism,
and
the
title
slide
for
this
talk
was
Southeast
Street,
so
it
looked
exactly
horrible
I
mean
it
looked
dense,
it
is
dense
and
it
had
zero
urbanism.
It
was
just
empty
in
front
of
it,
knowing
that
literally
thousands
of
people
were
living
there
right
and
left
there.
It
was
even
like
a
hotel.
M
Nobody
wanted
to
walk
there
and
everybody
wanted
to
drive
there
still
a
very,
very
well
connected
place
with
Metro
station
walking
distance
to
to
two
Metro
stations.
A
lot
of
connectivity,
Etc
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
you
are
that
we
are
going
forward
now,
mitigating
this
lining
up,
South
8th,
Street,
putting
you
know,
I'm
very
happy
to
see
the
almost
28
000
square
feet
of
retail,
where
they
belong
right
right
on
the
street.
M
I
would
love
to
see
these
sidewalks
being
a
little
bit
wider,
especially
where
they
connect
to
new
and
improved
open
space.
There
is
a
it's
a
corner,
a
mini
park.
There
I
think
it's
it's
worth,
sometimes
to
think
whether
we
really
need
all
this
Parallel
Group
space
parking
and
whether
we
could
sequester
some
of
that
to
to
to
enhance
The
Pedestrian
space.
M
I
think
this
is
a
place
that
really
grows,
and
it
will
be
very
interesting
and
will
pose
the
challenge
of
repairing
the
you
know
the
Legacy
of
not
being
friendly
to
pedestrians
and
inverting
that
and
we
I
I,
think
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
there.
I
agree
with
Miss
Crystal.
M
The
shared
parking
is
a
great
thing
to
see
that
for
one
once
once
again,
it's
also
a
logical
consequence
of
having
built
too
much
parking
before
and
I
also
have
to
say
you
know
it's
only
0.1
of
a
parking
ratio
going
down
from
0.8
to
0.7.
That's
that's
also
great
I
hope
we
can
even
do
better.
There.
I
am
satisfied
with
affordable
housing
contribution.
M
I
I
hear
very
well
what
the
the
Housing
Commission
has
told
us,
I
have
to
say
I'm
concerned
also
about
the
fact
that
on-site,
the
ratio
between
on-site
delivery
and
units
and
off-site
delivery
of
units
is
one
to
three
almost.
So
this
is
a
very
problematic
ratio,
because
it
basically
tells
us
that
it's
almost
impossible
to
do
on
site-
and
this
is
not
is-
is
a
policy
issue
that
I
want
to
dig
in
and
see
whether
we
can
do
better
there
same
for
the
for
the
duration
of
this
committed,
affordable
units.
M
It's
again
I
mean
it
would
be
30
years
versus
99
years
again,
one
two
three.
So
this
this
deal
is
a
is
a
very
good
deal
for
us.
I
think
it
delivers.
What
we
want
to
to
see
delivers
on
on
on
form
of
verb
on
on
urbanism
on
activating
this,
this
space
along
Southeast,
Street
it
delivers
on
affordable
housing,
delivers
also
on.
There
is
Elite
Gold,
which
I
I
really
appreciate.
I
think
that
this
is
a
a
project
that
could
be
fully
electrified.
M
I
recommend
you
to
the
seller
array
on
on
on
on
the
top
I
think
that
it
is
definitely
far
better
than
we
side
plans
we've
seen
and
we
approved
in
the
very
recent
past
so
I'm
enthusiastically
at
this
point
supporting
this
motion.
Thank
you.
J
Sounds
good
just
a
few
comments,
but
I'll
make
these
my
closing
comments
as
well,
but
I
did
want
to
say
I
I
love,
seeing
the
green
roof
I
mean
that
that's
great
they're,
all
those
balconies
there's
no
plants
on
the
balconies,
because
those
are
personal
but
I
assume
anyone
that
people
can
put
out
planners
and
do
that.
I
I,
wonder
if
something
that
we
might
want
to
do
even
as
a
county
or
is
start
to
encourage
more
people
doing
like
maybe
helping
suggest
the
Planters
and
the
plants
that
might
go
on
there.
J
I
have
clipped
which
I
was
going
to
circulate
around
to
my
colleagues.
I
haven't
yet
probably
everybody
saw
it.
There
was
an
article
on
Vienna,
Austria
and
their
housing
and
how
they
handled.
You
know
how
everybody's
everybody's
housed
in
Vienna,
because
the
city
owns
all
the
property,
it's
kind
of
Handy.
They
had
a
picture
of
a
new
building
and,
like
the
whole
floor,
it's
all
green
mean
because
for
like
about
four
or
five
floors
up
everybody's
got
planners
and
there's
green.
J
It
looks
wonderful
and
I
know
before
I
used
to
show
this
building
in
in
in
Milan.
Italy,
that's
called,
you
know,
called
a
vertical
forest
and
it's
got
trees
anyway.
All
of
that
to
say
it's
great
to
see
the
green
roof
I
think
we
can
do
more
and
I'm
just
sort
of
saying
that
in
general
to
to
everybody,
I'll
pass
that
that
picture
around
I'm
pleased
to
support
the
motion.
J
I
think
you
know
we're
pushing
a
little
bit,
I
think
as
I
was
saying
before,
government
moves
kind
of
slowly
and
I
think
we're
all
seeing
these
Trends
happening
so
quickly.
But,
of
course
you
can't
get
too
far
out
in
front
of
your
skis
or
you're
in
trouble
and
I
know.
That's
something
that
you
you've
got
to
be
aware
of.
J
You
get
too
far
out
you're
going
to
be
in
trouble
with
your
building,
but
it
looks
great
sorry
about
the
trees
that
are
getting
cut
down,
we're
adding
more,
and
hopefully
you
know
over
time
that
will
get
better
I
felt
realized
as
an
elected
official,
that's
part
of
what
we're
doing
We
There
Are
Places,
where
there's
these
trees
and
when
they
have
to
get
cut
down
to
do
the
the
construction.
J
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Garvey,
you
know
for
my
comments.
I'll
just
say
that
sometimes
NFL
projects
with
you
know
existing
surrounding
development
often
feel
like
this
board
is
being
asked
to
make
a
lot
of
compromises
to
facilitate
making
someone
else's
Visions
come
true
or
come
to
fruition.
In
this
case,
I
feel
like
this
is
a
project.
That's
delivering
a
lot
of
things
for
the
community,
which
is
really
really
great.
I'll
highlight
a
few
of
them.
A
You
know
one
when
it
comes
to
the
green
roof
that
Ms
Garvey
mentioned
as
well
as
the
rooftop
solar
I,
find
that
Innovative
and
overall
you
know
the
environmental
performance
with
all
appreciation
to
c2e2,
recognizing
recognizing
it
as
less
than
what
we
should
be
doing.
If
we're
meeting
the
existential
crisis
that
we're
in
is
substantially
solid
and
positive
in
terms
of
our
current
planning,
so
I
do
appreciate
that
we
haven't
talked
a
lot
about
the
you
know
nearly
or
more
than
tenth
of
an
acre
more
in
space.
A
That's
currently
going
to
be
available
to
the
public
through
easement
and
that
the
hope
of
that
is
to
enhance
tree.
The
quality
of
our
ability
to
maintain
trees
is
really
really
a
good,
a
good
path
forward,
especially
given
the
conditions
of
the
trees
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
removed
as
part
of
this
Redevelopment,
the
housing,
the
housing
piece.
A
You
know
we've
sort
of
talked
about
this
for
the
last
couple
of
months
and
while
I
would
certainly
have
a
different
opinion,
if
the
units
that
are
ultimately
going
to
be
realized
were
far
removed
from
this
area
of
opportunity,
the
fact
that
they
are
going
to
be
close
by
and
that
we
are
leveraging
so
much
more
than
what
would
be
available
on
site
to
me.
It
doesn't
really
make
this
very
difficult
conversation.
It's
Mr,
Karen
Thomas
mentioned
not
only
in
terms
of
a
number
of
units,
but
a
number
of
unit
years.
A
You
know
we're
talking
about
being
able
to
deliver
substantially
more
help.
This
way
than
certainly
what
is
my
priority.
I
would
love
to
see.
Every
building
in
Arlington
be
open
to
people
with
a
mix
of
of
incomes
and
life
experiences,
but
when,
when
I
could
get
math,
that
is
so
much
more
balanced
in
this
regard,
while
still
keeping
people
in
this
area
of
opportunity.
That
to
me
is
pretty
easy
to
do
so.
A
Overall,
I
appreciate
that
this
project
is
checking
a
lot
of
boxes
for
the
community
and
even
though
I'm
not
one
to
usually
comment
on
architecture,
I
think
it
really
looks
good
too
I
really
like
the
way.
It'll
look
so
I
think
it'll
serve
to
enhance
the
visual
experience
for
people
who
are
walking
in
the
area.
So
I
am
pleased
to
support
it.
Miss
Crystal
well,.
L
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
Dorsey,
and
to
just
pick
up
exactly
where
you
left
off
with
regard
to
the
housing
just
that
policy
observation
prompted
by
this
and
as
you
noted,
other
conversations
we've
been
having,
there
is
I,
think
it
it
rude.
A
difference
of
opinion
or
different
ways
of
seeing
things
about
whether
on-site
versus
off-site
right
are
most
valuable.
L
I
will
say
my
own
thinking
on
this
has
probably
evolved
a
little
bit
now
that
I've,
based
on
experiences
we've
seen
with
the
challenges
of
property
management
and
the
difficulty.
You
know
we
talk
about
on-site,
affordable
housing.
It
is
not
six
units
as
well
run
as
an
apple
property
dropped
into
a
market
rate
property
right.
L
It
is
this
expectation
that
the
intent
that
is
on
the
part
of
the
board
in
the
community,
you
know
perhaps
agreed
to
by
the
developer,
makes
its
way
through
this
project
and
into
a
management
company,
so
that
anytime
there
are
rent,
increases
or
increases
to
amenities
fees.
You
have
people
who
are
really
knowledgeable
of
that.
Otherwise
we're
putting
tenants
in
a
situation
where
they're
constantly
having
to
advocate
for
themselves
to
know
the
specifics
of
our
affordable
housing
or
our
calf
regulations.
L
I
am
not
saying
that
that
off-site
is
always
better
than
on-site,
but
I
think
the
conversation
has
maybe
gotten
a
little
more
complex
in
recent
years,
all
of
which
is
just
a
way
of
saying
that
I
think
you
know
we're
only
a
couple
of
years
out
from
the
affordable
housing,
Master
plan's
10th
anniversary.
L
Imagine
that's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
do
some
reflecting
and
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
have
an
in
a
a
community
conversation
with
our
commissioners
board
members
and
staff
and
subject
matter
experts
to
to
Really
ascertain
what
are
the
pluses
and
minuses,
the
values
and
the
drawbacks
of
on-site
versus
off-site
with
the
goal
of
potentially
developing
some
policy
guidance
so
that
every
I
know
our
commissions
struggle
with
this.
L
L
I
I
too
really
appreciate
that
the
open
space
has
been
thoughtfully,
envisioned
here
to
really
support
Urban
or
Urban
Tree
canopy,
which
is
so
important
as
Crystal
City,
redevelops
and
I
think
is
very
much
part
of
the
kind
of
livable
urbanism
that
perhaps
Mr
carton
has
had
in
mind
talking
about
the
urbanism
to
match
the
density.
L
I
think
the
only
other
point
I
wanted
to
make-
and
this
is
probably
going
to
come
off
a
little
more
Arch
than
I
intended
to,
but
we
just
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
EV
charging
and
to
me
that
is
essentially
a
conversation
about
what
amenities
this
developer
can
offer
to
its
tenants.
I
think
if
we
actually
care
about
what
is
most
in
the
community
interest
in
terms
of
dramatically
reducing
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
relative
to
Transportation,
it
is
not
about.
Can
individuals
change
from
combustion
engine
cars
to
electric
vehicle
cars?
L
It
is
how
do
we
get
them
out
of
their
cars,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
by
far
what
is
so
much
more
meaningful
than
you
know,
any
plans
to
have
EV
charging,
which
again
I
really
do
largely
see
as
an
amenity
towards
so
there's
residents
who
do
want
cars
is
the
fact
that
this
project
is
half
a
mile
from
the
the
the
VRE
station
metro
station,
soon
to
be
pedestrian
bridge
to
DCA
and
19
bus
stops
within
a
quarter
mile
connecting
not
only
the
art
system,
Mana
system,
but
the
entirety
of
the
regional
System,
Fairfax
Connector,
Loudoun
County
Connector.
L
To
me
again.
If
we
actually
want
to
see
these
209
residential
units
lead
to
a
reduction
in
overall
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
Transit
service
and
our
obligations
to
ensure
that
it
becomes
attractive.
The
the
the
applicant's
partnership
and
good
TDM
strategies
that
make
sure
all
their
tenants
are
aware
of.
It
is
far
more
important
than
whether
people
can
plug
in
an
EV.
So
with
that
I
am
going
to
conclude.
K
You
Mr
chair,
everything
has
been
said,
but
not
everyone
has
said
it.
I
will
try
to
be
very
brief.
This
adds
housing
Supply,
which
is
a
critical
goal
that
we've
talked
about
so
much.
It's
Transit
oriented
development,
as
Miss
Crystal,
just
pointed
out
with
respect
to
the
on-site
off-site
I,
do
think
that
there
are
additional
steps
we
eventually
will
need
to
seek
in
Richmond
to
to
bolster
our
ordinance.
I
also
think
to
Mr
Macbeth's
point
that
the
commitment,
the
broad
commitment
to
additional
units
is,
is
not
quite
the
same
as
a
contract.
K
In
my
view,
it's
not.
We
have
to
realize
those
units,
and
so
that's
why
I
fought
in
the
budget
process.
We
all
agreed
on
additional
ahif
funding
levels,
both
one
time
and
ongoing.
That
will
continue
to
be
a
priority.
Last
on
sustainability,
really
appreciate
the
solar
array.
I
can
tell
you
we'll
be
looking
for
the
rest
of
those
crosses
to
be
filled
in
at
some
point,
I
hope,
but
projects
are
not
inevitable.
The
listening
to
the
community
on
this
on
the
width
of
the
street
I
think
paid
some
dividends.
K
T
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
before
we
get
into
the
presentation
and
taking
this
item
up,
if
there's
anyone
who's
here
for
items
41
and
42.,
that's
not
going
to
happen
before
the
noon
hour.
So
you
can
go
enjoy
part
of
your
day.
Come
back
and
see
us
later.
I
can
say
that
with
all
confidence,
Mr
Schwartz
you
have
a
presentation.
V
Thank
you
and
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
board.
My
name
is
Olivia
Sontag
planner,
with
the
Arlington
County
Planning
Division,
and
the
project
manager
for
review
of
the
use
permit
for
the
Arlington
career
center
Campus
located
at
816
Walter
Reed
Drive
here
with
me
today
is
Robert
Gibson
from
Des.
We
will
provide
a
staff
overview
of
the
proposal
and
then
APS
will
give
a
presentation
focused
on
the
site
design.
V
So
the
two
items
we'll
cover
today
include
a
use
permit
for
the
Redevelopment
of
the
Arlington
career
center
campus,
with
an
ordinance
to
vacate
a
portion
of
8th,
Street,
South
and
Betsy
earps
from
the
real
estate.
Bureau
is
also
available
for
questions
on
the
vacation,
so
focusing
first
on
the
use
permit.
V
The
zoning
is
s3a
special
district,
where
schools
are
a
permitted
use
by
provision
of
a
use
permit
the
general
land
use
plan
designation
is
public
and
under
public
ownership,
which
allows
for
public
schools,
Parks
libraries,
cultural
facilities
and
Parkways
proposed
facilities
are
also
consistent
with
the
public
facilities,
master
plan
or
public
facilities.
Map
and
table
of
the
glep.
A
portion
of
the
site
is
also
within
the
Columbia
Pike
special
revitalization
district,
which
is
an
optional
zoning
tool
for
development,
which
APS
has
opted
not
to
use
and
will
instead
comply
with
the
standard,
s3a
zoning.
V
Planning
efforts
for
the
site
started
as
early
as
2006,
but
the
current
proposal
was
largely
informed
in
2022
by
a
concept
in
schematic
design
process,
which
included
joint
meetings
and
breakout
groups
with
the
pfrc
and
blpc,
resulting
in
a
school
board.
Action
on
the
concept
design
in
April,
2022
and
action
on
the
schematic
design
in
October
2022.
For
the
Base
education
spec
option
for
a
new
career
center
building
with
a
design
capacity
of
1
619
students,
structured
parking
garage
in
turf
field,
with
a
project
cost
not
to
exceed
182.4
million.
V
The
proposed
use
permit
for
redevelopment
of
the
career
center
campus
includes
the
expanded
capacity
for
1600
students
with
a
new
five-story
building,
a
four-tier
above-grade
parking
structure
with
345
spaces,
partial
demolition
of
the
existing
career
center
to
accommodate
the
parking
structure,
demolition,
the
to
accommodate
the
parking
structure,
demolition
of
the
Fenwick
building
anticipated
this
summer,
Central
Central
curbless
Plaza
limited
to
buses,
pedestrians
and
bicycles,
and
also
envisioned,
as
a
community
space,
a
synthetic
turf
field,
not
regulation
size
but
available
as
physical
education.
V
Space
designed
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
on-site
programs
and
also
serves
as
Recreation
space
for
the
community
retention
of
the
mpsa
building
and
program
on
site
removal.
Removal
of
the
temporary
relocatable
classrooms,
returning
the
mpsa
design
capacity
to
488
students
and
play
area
relocations
and
improvements
to
keep
the
elementary
school
in
operation
while
the
rest
of
the
campus
redevelops,
the
future
of
the
mpsa
site
and
potential
relocation
of
the
program
was
not
included
in
the
latest
aps-cip
and
is
not
included
in
this
use.
Permit.
V
But
APS
is
currently
studying
this
and
plans
to
address
it
in
the
next
10-year
CIP
to
be
passed
in
the
summer
of
2024..
Modifications
are
requested
to
height
setbacks
and
parking,
which
Mr
Gibson
will
speak
to
shortly
and
as
designed
in
Phase,
the
career
center
program,
library
and
mpsa
will
continue
to
operate
during
construction.
V
W
W
This
has
been
a
considerable
issue
with
the
community
and
the
commissions
and,
as
a
result,
Arlington
County
working
with
APS
has
agreed
to
improve
the
sidewalks
to
make
inner
improvements
along
7th
and
Highland,
and
with
these
improvements
by
the
county,
all
of
the
sidewalks
around
the
site
will
be
improved
with
the
project.
Aps
will
generally
improve
the
sidewalks
around
Highland,
Street,
9th
and
7th,
providing
a
5
foot
planting
strip
with
a
six
foot,
clear,
sidewalk
and
then
New
Street
trees
at
the
back
of
sidewalk.
W
Additionally,
along
South
Walter
Reed
Drive,
there
will
be
a
a
five
foot
wide
planting
strip
with
an
eight
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
within
the
planting
strip
on
Walter
Reed.
There
are
Street
trees
proposed.
The
next
slides,
we'll
look
at
show
the
issues
that
were
discussed
about
improvements
to
this:
the
Highland
Highland
Street
streetscape
and
7th
Street
streetscape
along
the
7th
Street
streetscape.
There's
a
four
foot
wide
sidewalk
today
that
sidewalk
is
at
the
back
of
curb
and
there
are
additional
utility
poles
right
there
at
within
the
sidewalk
area.
W
In
our
evaluation,
this
was
the
most
critical
sidewalk
to
improve
on
the
site
and,
as
a
result,
we
are
proposing
to
reconstruct
the
sidewalk
here
from
the
back
of
curb
to
a
six
foot
wide
sidewalk.
This
will
provide
an
interim
condition
until
the
Henry
building
is
rebuilt,
which
will
provide
a
new
will
provide
new
streetscape,
including
a
five
foot
wide
planting
strip
and
the
six
foot
wide
sidewalk
in
those
cases
along
South
Highland
Street,
the
existing
streetscape
is
a
little
bit
better
with
a
four
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
a
two
foot
wide
utility
strip.
W
There
continued
to
be
concerns
about
pedestrian
access
on
Highland
Street
and
how
this
sidewalk
would
not
get
improved
with
aps's
work.
As
a
result,
the
commission's
recommended
that
the
existing
planting
strip
be
filled
in
and
a
new
sidewalk
approximately
six
feet
be
provided
from
the
back
of
sidewalk
to
the
existing
back
of
sidewalk,
and
so
this
was
recommended
so
that
the
existing
trees
on
the
site
could
be
maintained
until
the
Henry
building
is
reconstructed.
W
Arlington
County,
working
with
APS
will
reconstruct
these
this.
These
sidewalks,
either
this
summer
or
the
summer
of
24,
depending
on
how
we
can
coordinate
with
other
site
activities
going
on
it's
important
that
we
don't
have
the
sidewalks
torn
up
when
the
school
opens
up
in
the
in
the
fall.
We
anticipate
that
the
7th
Street
work
would
get
done
absolutely
this
summer,
but
we
hope-
and
we
hope
to
get
the
Highland
Street
done
this
summer.
W
Also,
one
other
major
issue
that
was
discussed
throughout
the
process
was
the
configuration
of
9th
Street
South,
as
and
and
how
that
configuration
could
support
the
bicycle
Boulevard
that
9th
Street
provides
parallel
to
Columbia
Pike.
W
Currently,
there
is
a
shared
on-street
bike
lane
in
both
directions.
However,
with
this
use
and
the
new
garage
on
9th
Street,
the
the
vehicle
activity
will
increase
significantly
along
the
segment
of
9th
Street
and
there's
a
goal
to
provide
better
bike
facilities
for
cyclists.
With
this
project,
APS
has
agreed
to
widen
the
street
to
45
feet
with
that
widening
it
gives
the
county
a
number
of
options
to
improve
bicycle
facilities.
We
presented
three
options
to
the
community
for
discussion
so
that
we
could
get
feedback
on
a
number
of
points
that
we
heard
throughout
the
process.
W
One
point
was
to
provide
improved
bicycle
facilities.
The
other
point
was
to
consider
one
street
parking
Supply
along
9th
Street,
and
so
the
three
options
that
were
presented.
The
first
option
provides
on
street
bike
Lanes
in
both
directions
with
parking
on
in
both
directions.
The
second
option
provides
protected
bike
facilities
in
both
directions
and
a
parking
Lane
on
the
eastbound
Direction,
and
then
final
option
was
a
an
option
that
would
provide
parking
on
both
sides:
a
shared
bike,
lane
Eastbound
and
then
a
protected
bike.
W
One
other
major
transportation
element
that
has
been
discussed
throughout
this
project
is
the
South
Walter
Reed
Drive
complete
streets
project.
This
is
being
done
by
Arlington
County
in
and
in
conjunction
with
the
improvements
that
APS
is
proposing.
There
will
be
a
radical
change
in
how
South
Walter
Reed
Drive
is
presented
to
the
community.
W
The
County's
project
proposes
making
improvements,
removing
the
median
and
providing
protected
bike
Lanes
in
both
sides
of
the
street,
as
well
as
providing
a
new
signalized
intersection
at
South,
9th
Street
and
in
these
changes
will
provide
improvements
for
safety
for
all
users.
Transit
users,
cyclists,
pedestrians
and
Automobiles,
and
will
help
to
reduce
the
overall
travel
speeds
along
this
Corridor,
largely
supporting
the
the
public
Investments
That
APS
is
making
at
the
site
as
we
look
at
the
proposed
development
by
APS
and
APS.
W
I'll
talk
about
this
in
more
detail,
but
the
project
is
proposing
site
circulation
and
operations
around
the
site
to
support
the
existing
schools,
including
pick
up
and
drop
off
one
South
Walter
Reed
Drive
for
the
new
career
center
maintenance
of
the
pickup
and
drop
off
on
South
Highland
Street
for
the
Montessori
program.
W
The
increase
in
capacity
at
the
school
is
projected
to
add
about
30
new
student
drivers,
and
so
looking
at
data
that
APS
collected,
we
believe
that
those
30
student
drivers
can
be
supported
either
adjacent
to
the
site
or
within
a
short
walk
from
the
from
the
side
and
as
a
result,
we
we
recommend
the
proposed
parking
modification
which
would
have
otherwise
required
576
parking
spaces
on
site
and
one
final
Transportation
element
is
a
proposed
vacation.
This
is
Item
B,
we'll
present
it
here
to
expedite
things.
W
South
excuse
me,
8th,
Street
South
was
originally
platted
and
dedicated
in
1923
and
since
then
the
street
was
never
built
and
then
eventually
the
Henry
building
was
built.
On
top
of
that,
as
a
result
of
this,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
things
got
cleaned
up
and
are
supporting
the
proposed
vacation
of
8th
Street
South.
W
V
You
so,
throughout
the
concept
schematic
design
and
use
permit
process,
there
has
been
a
high
level
of
involvement
from
the
adjacent
adjacent
Civic
associations
and
Community,
including
staff
and
students
on
the
site.
The
use
permit
application
was
submitted
in
February
and
after
several
additional
meetings
with
the
pfrc
and
blpc
staff,
held
two
virtual
public
meetings
and
visited
the
form-based
code
advisory
working
group
with
a
courtesy
update.
The
advisory
working
group
members
raised
questions
about
Green
Building
standards,
portions
of
the
unimproved
streetscape
and
the
unknown
future
of
the
mpsa
building.
V
C2E2
also
provided
a
letter
with
concerns
about
fossil
fuel
heating
systems,
the
building
materials
optimizing,
Energy,
Efficiency,
maximizing,
rooftop,
solar
and
providing
sufficient
charging
infrastructure
to
support
the
transition
to
electric
vehicles.
Aps
will
show
share
details
on
how
they've
addressed
these
concerns
in
their
presentation.
In
just
a
moment.
V
As
Mr
Gibson
summarized,
the
Transportation
Commission
recommended
the
County
board
approved
the
use
permit
with
an
amendment
to
widen
the
sidewalk
along
the
mpsa
building
adjacent
to
South,
Highland
Street
to
six
feet,
replacing
the
existing
planting
strip
and
also
recommended
option
two
with
protected
bike
Lanes
in
both
directions
on
the
9th
Street
South
and
only
one
parking
Lane.
They
also
determined
the
proposed
vacation
of
a
portion
of
8th,
Street
South
to
be
consistent
with
the
MTP.
V
The
Planning
Commission
also
recommended
the
County
board
approved
the
use,
permit,
an
emotion
that
carried
five
to
four
in
alignment
with
the
Transportation
Commission.
They
also
unanimously
recommended
the
sidewalk
expansion
in
South
Highland
and
option
two
with
protected
bike
Lanes
in
both
directions
for
9th
Street.
They
also
mentioned
that
it
is
the
sense
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
the
final
Arlington
career
center
site
should
host
two
school
buildings
based
on
the
demolition
of
the
existing
mpsa
building,
in
order
to
ensure
additional
open
space
on
the
site.
As
planned.
The
motion
carried
seven
to
three.
V
The
county
manager
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
use
permit
for
redevelopment
of
the
Arlington
career
center
campus,
with
the
described
elements
and
modifications
to
height
parking
and
setbacks,
subject
to
the
proposed
conditions
and
then,
lastly,
for
the
ordinance
to
vacate
a
portion
of
8th,
Street
South,
the
county
manager
recommends
the
County
Board,
enact
the
attached
ordinance
and
Authority
hero
Chief
to
execute
the
deed
of
vacation,
and
that
concludes
the
staff,
presentation
and
we'd
like
to
welcome
APS,
to
provide
their
presentation
on
the
site.
Design.
Thank.
X
N
X
There
we
go
I
wanted
to
touch
on
on
the
board
action
from
October
27
2022
has
already
been
noted
that
the
new
career
center
calculated
capacity
will
be
1
619
and
that's
really
based
on
1550
students
that
were
planning
on
putting
into
the
building
the
instructional
programs.
One
of
the
things
that
that
the
board
also
noted
at
that
approval
was.
This
is
not
a
comprehensive
High
School.
It
is
not
intended
to
be.
X
It
is
a
choice
school
for
the
programs
specifically
noted,
including
Arlington
Tech,
the
academic
Academy
El
pep
and
the
CTE
from
the
neighborhood
high
schools.
So
just
wanted
to
make
that
note,
because
initially
we
had
been
looking
at
a
comprehensive,
High
School
option
in
the
future
and
the
board
specifically
said
this
is
not
a
a
neighborhood
High
School.
So
the
program
is
is
created
such
that
that,
in
our
educational
specifications,
estimated
cost
has
already
been
noted
of
182
mil
0.42
million
site
facilities.
X
We'll
we'll
talk
about
are
still
the
same
as
what
they
approved.
Approximate
building
size
is
261
900
and
we're
intending
to
complete
the
new
building
in
2025
and
then
complete
all
construction
phases,
including
the
structured
parking
and
the
on-site
field
by
the
summer
of
2027..
X
On
on
this
slide,
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
are
looking
at
having
a
pre-construction
blpc
pfrc
meeting
on
or
around
October
of
2023
school
board
approval
of
a
Construction
contract
in
November.
If
all
goes
well,
and
then
we
would
intend
on
beginning
Construction
in
December
of
2023
and
complete
by
the
December
of
2025,
with
the
full
completion
of
the
site
by
the
summer
of
2027.
X
As
previously
noted,
also
as
part
of
this
action
on
in
in
October
27
2022,
the
board
did
include
action
directing
the
superintendent
to
continue
planning
for
the
career
center
campus,
addressing
phase
one,
what
they
called
phase
two
at
that
time
to
refresh
the
existing
Career
Center
building
for
the
Montessori
Public
School
of
Arlington's
program
to
move
into
that
location
and
then
phase
three
to
demolish
the
mpsa
building
and
replace
by
a
new
field
and
or
open
space.
With
that
work
commencing
after
the
fall
of
2028..
X
But
this
renovation
relocation
is
not
in
the
existing
CIP
not
funded
at
this
point,
but
based
on
the
board
action
at
the
schematic
design
approval.
We.
We
do
believe
that
this
will
be
addressed
in
the
next
10-year
CIP,
which
would
allow
funding
for
the
mpsa
relocation
to
the
existing
Career
Center
building,
as
well
as
funding
for
the
mpsa
building
to
be
demolished.
The
former
Henry
Elementary
School.
X
It
would
also
allow
us
to
do
accurate
amendments
to
the
use
permit
appropriate
for
the
work
that
gets
gets
approved
in
the
CIP,
as
well
as
figuring
out
what
will
replace
the
Montessori
Public
School
of
Arlington
and
what
will
be
funded
to
do
that.
We
did
also
note
that
full-size
regulation
soccer
field
could
fit
in
that
space.
Some
other
community
conversation
has
been
about.
Maybe
a
diamond
field
could
be
included
as
well.
Again.
All
of
that
would
have
to
be
studied,
so
we
do
not
have
that
information
at
this
time.
X
Sustainable
goals
and
site
features.
We
basically
are
looking
at
environmentally
responsive
design
as
as
typical
for
for
what
we
do
with
our
facilities.
We
realize
and
are
seeking
leads
silver
certification
as
a
minimum,
but
we
are
going
to
Target
gold.
It's
going
to
be
difficult.
This
is
a
very
complicated
building.
It's
not
a
typical
School
building.
There
is
industrial
uses
within
the
building
which
are
going
to
make
it
difficult
to
achieve
the
gold
rating,
but
we
are
going
to
still
try
to
do
that.
X
We
have
roof
and
rain
water
and
curbless
environment
are
all
being
diverted
into
on-site
Urban,
bio
retention
areas.
We
are
noting
that
the
existing
permeable
area
on
site
is
about
150
750
square
feet.
X
The
proposed
permeable
area
is
about
70
000
square
feet
with
the
project
is
currently
proposed,
but
that
does
not
include
the
permeable
partially
permeable
Synthetic
Turf,
that
is
35
880
square
feet,
but
it
doesn't
count
in
our
calculations
as
permeable
the
way
it's
calculated,
but
it
is
open
space
and
actually
will
be
an
improved
field
over
the
grass
area
that
is
at
the
corner
of
seventh
and
Walter
Reed.
At
this
point
in
time,
the
outdoor
water
reduction
we're
going
to
use
native
and
adaptive
plants
reducing
water
requirements.
We
are
not
putting
in
irrigation
systems.
X
Heat
island
effect
through
tree
cover,
reflective
roofs
and
pavement
materials.
The
tree
count
is
increasing.
Currently
there
are
135
trees
on
the
site.
We
will
be
proposed
tree
count
at
this
time.
It's
201
trees.
So
it's
a
significant
Improvement.
Some
of
the
comment
from
the
community
was
we
were
just
looking
at
Street
trees.
We
are
doing
Street
trees
as
well
as
trees,
internal
to
the
to
the
campus.
We
have
had
that
reviewed
by
students
and
students
are
very
happy
with
The
Greening
of
their
campus.
X
Currently
they
go
outside
of
their
school
and
all
they
see
is
a
parking
lot.
So
I
think
that
that
is
a
positive,
so
other
sustainable
site
features
we're
going
to
have
very
easy
access
to
existing
Transit
and
improving
the
bike
facilities,
noting
that
the
one
Columbia
Pike
bus
station
at
the
bus
stop
is
one
of
the
busiest
in
the
county.
X
So
that's
a
good
thing:
light
pollution
reduction
through
the
use
of
dark
sky
filters
fixtures
we
are
working
with
an
energy
efficient
building
envelope
exceeding
the
minimum
R
values
for
wall
and
roof
exceeding
the
minimum
performance
of
all
glazing
systems.
We
will
be
recycling
construction
waste
from
the
Fenwick
building
demolition,
as
well
as
construction
waste
for
the
project
itself.
X
We
are
specifying
low
VOC
materials
and
materials
with
recycled
content,
providing
operable
windows
for
the
educational
facilities,
the
spaces
as
part
of
our
standards
specifying
Energy,
Star
Equipment,
the
Food
Services
kitchen
will
be
all
electric
equipment.
The
student
kitchen
will
have
gas
and
electric
because
of
the
program
and
what
they
need
to
learn
on
equipment,
joint
use
of
facilities.
X
As
always,
our
schools
will
be
open
for
Community
use
and
non-school
hours,
including
a
full-size
gym
that
will
be
within
the
space
Arlington
County
eui
standards
for
new
K-12
facilities
is
44
and,
despite
the
the
energy
intensity
that
we
have
to
use
for
the
facility
itself,
we
were
we
are
targeting
at
this
point
in
in
the
mid
30s.
So
we
will
be
under
the
the
standard
use
using
LED
light
fixtures,
water
source
heat
pump,
mechanical
systems.
Essentially,
we
are
looking
at
a
fundamentally
electric
mechanical
system.
X
We
basically
minimize
the
Reliance
on
natural
gas
boiler
for
supplemental
heat.
Only
we
will
have
a
natural
gas
generator
fully
automated
HVAC
controls,
solar,
ready
at
available
roof
space,
provide
enhanced,
commissioning
practices
our
first
shot
at
looking
at
the
Mechanicals,
for
this
was
we
we
wanted
to
do
geothermal.
That
is
aps's
first
choice,
however,
trying
to
keep
all
of
the
programs
operating
on
the
site.
We
did
not
have
the
available
land
to
look
at
doing
the
wells
at
this
time.
X
Transportation
traffic
study
indicated
garage
capacity.
Staff
is
sufficient
for
our
staff.
We
don't
provide
student
parking
and,
as
as
noted,
by
County
staff,
we
believe
that
the
traffic
study
indicates
sufficient
on-street
resources
for
student
parking.
X
The
garage
design
has
evolved,
basically,
half
the
garage
has
sloped.
The
other
half
is
flat
floor.
That
did
a
couple
of
things
one.
Is
it
reduced
the
footprint
of
what
we
were
trying
to
create
or
or
of
it
that
it
takes
up?
The
second
thing
is:
it
does
allow
the
flat
floor
areas
to
be
utilized
for
community
events
in
the
future.
If
there
wanted
to
be
some
kind
of
fare
on
those
flat
floors
or
Market,
or
you
know
anything,
it
could
be
utilized
for
that.
X
We
are
utilizing
natural
ventilation,
we
don't
have
mechanical
ventilation
for
the
garage
and
the
we
wanted
to
note
that
we
we
did
at
one
point,
look
at
talk
about
below
grade,
but
the
cost
for
that
is
two
to
three
times
the
cost
of
an
above
grade
garage,
which
is
why
we're
looking
at
that
above
grade
structure
at
this
point,
as
far
as
the
fair
free
program
APS
has
issued
approximately
90
student
I
write
cards
since
the
start
of
this
school
year.
There
were
additional
cards
issued
in
the
prior
year
on
a
pilot
program.
X
However,
we
don't
have
those
numbers
available
with
regard
to
the
latest.
Aps
go
survey
for
bicycle
use:
grades:
nine
through
ten.
They
have
about
a
seven
percent
bicycle
use:
grades
11
through
12..
They
don't
have
a
bicycle
use
and
staff
is
about
four
percent
I.
Guess
you
get
your
driver's
license
and
you
decide
not
to
ride
your
bike
anymore,
I'm,
not
sure.
X
The
new
Arlington
career
center
will
be
paralleling,
Walter
Reed.
That's
the
large
facility
on
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
of
the
the
drawing
that
you're
currently
looking
at,
and
it's
replacing
the
Fenwick
building
and
and
also
the
playground
for
Montessori
public
school,
as
well
as
the
Green
Space.
That
used
to
be
on
the
corner
of
of
seventh
and
and
Walter
Reed,
with
the
first
thing
that
is
going
to
happen
on
the
site
that
you
actually
start
seeing
this
summer
will
be
the
demolition
of
the
current
Fenwick
building.
X
The
other
thing
that
is
has
to
happen
before
we
can
start
construction
is
relocation
of
the
playground
for
The
Montessori
Public
School
of
Arlington.
So
if
you
look
just
above
the
new
career
center,
you'll
see
a
number
four
with
a
green
rectangle
that
actually
will
be
a
turf
field,
a
natural
turf
field,
not
a
synthetic
turf
field.
So
we're
intending
to
get
that
planted
shortly
and
we
will
have
actually
improved
playground
spaces
for
the
Montessori
public
school,
which
will
include
Half.
A
half
court
asphalt.
X
Basketball
court
and
the
blue
squares
and
the
blue
shapes
I
guess
I
should
say:
moving
up
around
the
corner
are
playground,
spaces,
age-appropriate,
handicapped,
accessible,
much
better
serviceability
than
the
current
playgrounds,
which
really
are
not
easily
accessible
for
our
handicapped
students
and
number
four
on
the
top
is
replacing
asphalt
with
Synthetic
Turf
for
the
Primary
students,
and
that
play
Space
is
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
on
Highland
Street.
The
Green
Field
in
the
middle
will
be
the
last
phase
of
the
project.
It's
numbered
number
three,
and
that
is
a
synthetic
turf
field.
X
X
However,
we
will
be
tearing
down
as
the
second
phase
of
this
work
of
the
the
shops
on
the
back,
which
really
don't
have
a
use
for
a
an
elementary
school,
which
is
probably
the
use
of
this
building,
and
they
don't
have
a
high
enough
clearance
for
a
gymnasium,
so
we're
replacing
them.
That's
where
we're
putting
the
parking
structure,
which
is
directly
across
from
the
ecdc
garage
thanks.
X
Dude
on
the
other
side
of
9th
Street
I
did
want
to
note
that
the
number
two
that
runs
between
the
existing
career
center
and
the
new
career
center
is
intended
to
be
a
vehicle-free
environment.
X
This
is
the
transportation
routes
that
we're
looking
at
and
the
green.
The
green
dashes
are
bicycle
paths,
the
the
lavender
our
pedestrian
pass.
The
blue
is
the
bus
routes,
and
then
we
have
typical
bus,
unloading
and
loading
areas
that
will
be
in
in
place
at
the
end
of
this,
and
also
we
have
temporary
facilities
that
will
be
created
that
will
do
similar
configurations
during
the
construction
of
the
the
parking
garage
and
the
in
the
field.
X
You
note
all
of
those
yellow
rectangles
will
not
be
there
at
the
same
time.
Essentially,
buses
that
are
dropping
off
at
the
new
career
center
would
be,
on
the
right
hand,
side,
so
that
the
bus
doors
exit,
the
buses
that
would
unload
for
the
Montessori
in
its
current
location
would
be
at
a
different
time.
So
it's
Elementary
and
secondary
are
at
different
times
all
right.
X
We
also,
as
we
said
it's
it's
open
space
shared
shared
space
for
the
The
Pedestrian
way
as
we've
called
it,
but
we
also
understand
some
of
our
disabled
community
members
are
used
to
truncated,
domes
and
crosswalks
and
whatnot,
so
there
are
pedestrian
areas
that
Vehicles
do
not
go
in.
So
we
are
actually
adding
crosswalks
and
truncated
domes
to
to
make
it
familiar
for
those
folks.
X
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
briefly
mention
is
bike
parking.
We
will
be
including
class
one
long-term,
secure
bike
parking
in
the
parking
structure.
We
will
have
class
2,
short-term
outdoor
bike
parking
all
over
the
site,
because
we
intend
this
to
be
a
busy
site
for
not
only
the
students
but
after
school
hours,
and
we
will
also
have
include
some
short-term
outdoor
covered
bike
parking
under
canopies
of
the
existing
career
center,
as
well
as
the
new
career
center,
which
are
indicated
by
the
blue
dots.
X
These
renderings
I'm
going
to
go
through
relatively
quickly.
These
first
groups
of
renderings
really
are
focusing
on
the
building,
where
we're
looking
at
utilizing
brick
metal
panels
and
phenolic
plastic
panels,
and
this
some
of
the
trees
have
been
faded.
So
it
doesn't
really
show
the
the
site
of
directions
at
that
time.
But
I
did
want
to
note
that
the
building
is
stepping
back
from
Walter
Reed
again
to
reduce
the
impact
on
the
street.
We
also
have
outdoor
Terraces
that
are
included.
X
There
will
be
Planters
on
those
outdoor
Terraces,
though
they
will
not
be
fully
intensive,
green
roofs,
and
we
also
are
noting
that
any
free
roof
space
on
this
building
will
be
available
for
solar,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
rooftop
equipment
again,
because
this
is
an
industrial
building
as
well
as
a
school
building.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
equipment
and
ventilation
systems
that
we
need
to
accommodate
as
part
of
this
project.
X
This
is
looking
from
the
back
side.
We
also
have
another
Terrace
that
is
cut
into
the
building,
and
you
can
see
the
curbless
environment
on
the
right
hand,
side.
The
existing
Library
would
be
just
out
off
the
picture
from
the
entrance
to
the
new
career
center.
Also,
in
the
back,
we
have
a
tree
Grove
for
students
for
outdoor
lunch,
as
well
as
outdoor
classes,
Etc.
X
And
then
this
rendering
is
from
Walter
Reed.
Looking
at
the
from
the
7th
Street
side,
you
can
see,
the
building
is
set
back
from
7th
Street,
you
don't
see
all
of
the
trees
and
that
have
been
planted
or
will
be
planted
between
7th
Street
and
the
building.
Just
so,
you
can
see
the
building
on
this
particular
rendering
this
next
rendering
is
actually
looking
at
the
building
across
the
synthetic
field.
X
That
is
a
long,
Walter
Reed,
but
we're
looking
here
from
Highland
and
then
the
the
space
that
you
see,
The
Pedestrian
friendly
Bikeway,
is
oh
directly
between
the
existing
career
center
and
the
new
career
center,
and
then
moving
into
this.
This
is
focusing
these
are
the
renderings
that
are
focusing
on
the
the
curbless
environment
as
well
as
the
landscape.
So
you
can
see
the
trees
the
the
building
is
shown
in
in
white.
This
is
looking
from
the
Walter
Reed
side
to
the
right.
X
You
can
see
the
entrance
to
the
new
career
center
to
the
left.
You
see
the
canopy
at
the
current
Library.
One
of
the
other
things
that
has
been
added
to
the
project
is
with
the
curbless
environment.
We
are
reworking
the
sidewalk
adjacent
to
the
library
to
create
a
plaza
that
the
library
can
use
while
they
are
continuing
to
occupy
the
existing
Career
Center
building.
X
This
rendering
is
is
from
a
drone
looking
up
the
curbless
environment
and
you
can
see
it
with
buses
and
without
buses.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
is
intended
there
and
then
this
view
is
looking
from
a
drone
from
the
Highland
Street
side,
so
you
can
see
the
curbless
environment.
The
additional
trees
that
will
be
on
campus
to
the
right
is
the
bio
basins
that
the
curbless
environment
drains
into,
and
the
white
block,
with
the
Shadows
of
the
trees
is
the
current
career
center.
X
Next
rendering
is
is
showing
you
the
buses
again,
the
buses
wouldn't
be
on
both
sides
at
the
same
time,
in
a
typical
time
frame,
but
we
just
wanted
to
show
that
they
they
could
actually
pass
there
with
with
space
between
them,
and
then
you
have
the
pedestrian
way
with
the
bicycles
and
pedestrians
most
of
the
time.
X
This
is
a
view
looking
from
the
entrance
to
the
existing
career
center.
Looking
up
the
west
side
of
the
new
building,
you
can
see
the
the
tree
Grove
that
we
talked
about,
which
is
a
break
space
for
the
students
that
can
eat
lunches
and
do
outdoor
classrooms.
And
then
you
see
a
shaded
area
behind
that
red
tree.
That
is
fencing
that
surrounds
the
auto
attack,
Auto
Body
vehicles
that
can
go
in
and
out
of
the
garage
that
would
have
access
from
the
back
of
the
building
and
again.
X
This
is
The
Pedestrian
way,
looking
from
the
Highland
Street
end,
and
you
can
see
the
bio
basins
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
the
existing
Career
Center
building
in
the
field.
On
the
left
hand,
side,
which
is
generally
has
a
four
foot
fence
around
it,
except
the
island
we've
put
in
a
taller
fence
7th
Street
entrance
again.
These
are
looking
at
the
types
of
trees
that
we're
planning
on
utilizing
and
we're
using
understory
trees,
as
well
as
Street
trees,
a
lot
less
Shrubbery
but
providing
trees.
X
So
we
have
the
visibility
and
Safety
and
Security
concerns
addressed.
The
next
slide
is
the
parking
structure
off
of
9th
Street,
again
we're
getting
rid
of
the
the
huge
concrete
wall.
That's
currently
on
9th
Street,
opening
that
space
up
we're
going
to
be
cladding,
the
back
of
the
career
center
with
metal
panels
and
those
metal
panels
will
be
complemented
with
color
metal
panels
that
we'll
be
utilizing
to
Shield
vehicles
in
the
parking
structure
at
the
corner.
This
would
be
looking
from
the
back
side
of
the
existing
career
center.
X
That
would
remain,
which
is
currently
the
studio,
and
this
field
area
would
be
green.
Space
at
this
point
would
probably
be
developed
in
the
future,
with
the
Montessori
Public
School
of
Arlington,
taking
over
the
building
on
the
right
hand,
side,
and
then
this
is
a
street
view
of
9th
Street
to
the
right.
You
can
see
the
ecdc
garage.
X
A
Q
Hello
again,
I'm
Tenley
Peterson
from
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Planning
Commission,
heard
this
item
on
our
at
our
May
31st
hearing
I'll
start
with
our
recommendations.
The
Planning
Commission
finds
the
proposed
vacation
of
a
portion
of
a
Street
South
is
substantially
in
accord
with
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan
or
applicable
part
thereof.
That
was
passed
unanimously.
Q
But
with
a
five
to
four
vote,
we
have
a
couple
additional
motions:
the
Planning
Commission
recommends
that
the
County
Board
only
consider
option
two
for
the
configuration
of
9th
Street
South,
which
provides
protected
bike
Lanes
in
both
directions.
This
past
unanimously
10-0.
This
was
also
the
transportation
commission's
vote,
and
this
was
the
vote
that
staff
is
advancing.
So
that's
great.
Q
This
passed
unanimously
10-0
and
finally,
it
is
the
sense
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
the
final
Arlington
career
center
site
should
host
two
school
buildings
based
on
the
demolition
of
the
existing
mpsa
building,
in
order
to
ensure
additional
open
space
on
the
site,
as
planned.
This
past
seven
to
three
we
heard
from
multiple
public
speakers
and
Civic
associations.
Q
The
major
concerns
were
open:
space
above
ground
parking,
impervious
surfaces
of
the
fencing
and
the
turf
field,
and
commissioner
Steinberger
from
the
Planning
Commission
provided
a
report
from
the
public
Facilities
Review
Committee,
and
her
overall
feeling
of
leading
that
process
was
that
there
was
a
positive
evolution
of
the
project
during
that
time
and
there
was
a
strong
level
of
public
engagement.
Q
I'll
just
note
that
I
recuse
myself
from
the
discussion,
deliberation
and
vote
of
this
particular
item
because
I
support
my
children's
school
mpsa
as
an
occasional
substitute
teacher,
so
I
did
not
participate
in
the
vote
on
this,
but
I'm
here
to
report
to
you
about
the
the
commission's
vote.
We
discussed
the
parking
garage,
the
idea
that
it
was
being
provided
above
grade,
whereas
normally
the
glep
recommends
a
blow
grade.
Q
You
know,
commissioner
sarley,
who
is
our
kind
of
Resident
architect,
was
talking
about
how
this
is
not
a
great
architectural
or
Urban
Design
perspective
cost
was
the
main
reason
that
this
was
being
chosen
as
well
as
some
phasing
there
was.
It
was
estimated
that
the
cost
was
about
three
times
compared
to
providing
an
above
grade
parking
structure.
If
we
wanted
to
underground
it.
Q
There
was
also
questions
about.
Could
Green
Space
be
considered
on
top
of
the
garage
roof,
as
had
been
done
at
Fleet
Elementary?
Again,
it
was
decided
by
staff
at
this
cost
prohibitive.
There
were
questions
about
the
availability
of
street
parking
for
existing
residents
and
staff,
relayed
that
they
felt
like
the
parking
above
ground
parking
structure
would
provide
the
adequate
amount
of
parking
that
is
going
to
be
needed
and
we
also
talked
about
EV
parking
spaces
that
is
not
going
to
be
installed
at
this
time.
Q
Questions
about
accessible
parking,
those
were
answered.
We
talked
about
the
future
of
the
Montessori
building
and
you
know
it's
not
part
of
this
site
plan.
There
are.
You
know
procedural
reasons
that
that
can't
be
part
of
this,
the
current
site
plan,
but
the
question
was
asked
you
know:
npsa
building
is
not
rated
to
be
in
great
condition.
Can
the
Arlington
Career
Center
building
be
used
for
the
Montessori
program
and
the
answer
was
yes,
it
absolutely
could
be
reused
and
you've
heard
about
that
kind
of
future
planning.
Q
That's
been
proposed
this
today
questions
about
the
height
of
the
fences.
The
neighbors
didn't
feel
like
it
was
welcoming.
Six
foot.
Fences
are
a
bit
high.
That
was
a
request
of
the
principal
for
security
reasons
so
and
then
questions
about
the
synthetic
field.
Why
are
we
using
that?
Instead
of
grass,
the
response
was
that
the
ascent,
because
of
the
the
use
of
the
field,
it's
going
to
be
used
a
lot
and
that
APS
is
now
moving
a
lot
of
their
fields
from
traditional
to
synthetic.
Q
Q
That
is
the
reason
for
the
smaller
field
and
that
there
are
other
examples
of
choice:
schools
having
smaller
field
sizes,
but
then
just
a
general
concern
that,
with
the
large
price
tag
that
we're
providing
here,
you
know
we
should
be
more
forward
and
you
know,
could
we
get
a
larger
field
size
and
and
Facilities
that
are
are
a
bit
nicer
and
then
there
was
concern
about
the
lack
of
long-term
planning
on
this
site
with
respect
to
Future
uses
because
of
the
kind
of
the
procedural
reasons
for
for
the
phased
approach
and
and
not
being
things
not
being
considered
part
of
this
site
plan.
Q
As
far
as
bus
circulation,
we
discussed,
you
know,
according
to
the
master
Transportation
plan.
9Th
Street
is
a
bike
Boulevard,
which
kind
of
led
to
our
motion
that
was
approved
and
is
now
going
to
be
accepted.
Q
Looking
again
at
adequate
parking,
we
discussed
that
it
looks
like
it
will
be,
adequate
and
and
just
getting
back
to
like
open
space.
There's
not
enough
open
space
on
this
site.
How
can
we
expand
it
when
the
mpsa
building
is
removed?
Can
we
make
sure
to
keep
that
space
open
at
that
time?
Q
That
would
be
recommended
and
let's
see,
as
far
as
the
facilities
that
are
available
to
the
community,
the
staff
did
relay
that
there's
going
to
be
the
full-size
gym
and
basketball
courts
available
to
the
public,
but
Planning
Commission
definitely
wanted
the
space
to
feel
welcoming
to
the
neighbors
and,
let's
see,
and
lastly,
there
was
concern
that
the
Civic
associations
continued
to
feel
a
bit
hesitant
with
this
project,
so
continuing
to
maintain
Outreach
with
them
and
letting
them
know
what's
going
on.
Q
But
finally,
commissioner
Steinberger
did
lead
the
pfrc
for
this
project
and
she
did
say
that
she
did
see
actionable
progress
from
APS,
including
consideration
of
the
roof
design
on
the
new
career
center
building
and
treescape
planned
for
this
site.
So
that's
all
I
have
for
today.
Thank
you
and
I'm
available
for
questions.
A
S
Again,
John
McIntyre,
representing
the
climate
change,
energy
and
environment
commission.
This
project
has
been
frustrating
for
us.
We've
been
participating
in
the
fr,
the
the
public
process
and
have
gotten
very
limited
information
on
sustainability
and,
in
fact
getting
the
and-
and
you
know,
just
other
than
commitment
to
lead
silver,
which
is
pretty
minimal,
especially
given
Arlington's
history
of
building
National
award-winning
schools,
but
also
you
know
in
terms
it
was
really
in
January
that
we
got
the
information
that
they
were
planning
to
use
fossil
gas
for
the
system
somewhat
late
in
the
process.
S
Those
things
the
site
of
again
electrification
has
been
the
key.
The
plan
does
indicate
minimal
use
of
gas
for
for
auxiliary
heat,
but
you
know
why
other
options
may
not
load
I'm,
always
puzzled
a
little
bit
to
understand
with
art
climate
in
a
very
highly
energy
efficient
building,
which
is
what
the
design
seems
to
call
for
that.
They
would
necessarily
need
auxiliary
help.
But
I'm
not
an
engineer.
So
I
can't
really
make
anything
authority
of
that,
but
we,
you
know,
they're
being
used
throughout
the
country
and
in
much
colder
climes.
S
But
the
more
consider
is
the
decision
to
not
go
forward
with
geothermal
at
this
point
seems
to
be
a
huge
lost
opportunity.
We
have
considerable
experience
in
our
schools
in
using
geothermal,
highly
energy
efficient
so
that
in
in
again
they're
designing
the
system
so
that
it
can
be
shifted
over
to
geothermal,
but
there's
absolutely
no
information
in
terms
of
any
timeline.
S
But
we
do
think
there
may
be
a
huge
lost
opportunity
of
not
designing
the
parking
garage
to
include
solar
canopies,
at
least
having
the
info
infrastructure
ready,
so
that
they
could
maybe
use
the
PPA
as
they're,
using
in
other
schools,
to
put
solar
on
that
and
then
again,
teachers
would
actually
be
able
to
park
in
the
shade
which
might
have
some
value
to
them
as
well,
and
similarly
is
not
doing
considering
EV
charging
within
the
parking
lots
again.
It
would
be
a
good
benefit
for
the
teachers.
S
I
know
the
county
is
looking
very,
very
much
consistently
in
in
in
depth
as
to
where
they
could
put
EV
Chargers,
and
this
would
seem
to
be
an
obvious
place
to
to
put
them
as
part
of
the
construction.
S
So
that's
a
well
just
one
minor
thing
is
as
I
do
looking
at
the
demolitions
of
the
buildings
and
making
sure
that
as
much
of
the
material
is
shifted
to
reuse
or
re,
reuse
or
recycling,
I
would
just
suggest
a
very
minor
change
in
words
and
how
we
look
at
that
and
think
of
it
as
deconstruction
and
not
demolition,
to
highlight
the
importance
of
reusing
and
recycling
buildings
when
we
do
decide
that
it
need
they
need
to
be
replaced.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
commission
speakers
on
this
item?
No,
thank
you.
Miss
Jacobs
colleagues.
I
will
know
for
the
record
that,
even
though
they
are
not
here
to
present,
we've
also
heard
from
the
Park
and
Recreation
Commission.
We've
also
heard
from
building
level
planning
committee
via
letter,
as
well
as
a
host
of
letters
from
members
of
the
public
who
I
am
sure,
will
be
on
our
speaking
list
in
a
moment
with
that
I
think
we're
ready
for
our
public
speakers
on
this
item.
Y
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
you're,
going
to
hear
from
a
lot
of
my
neighbors
after
myself
and
I.
Think
most
of
us
are
going
to
be
standing
in
opposite
to
this
moving
forward.
At
this
time,
the
last
meeting
I
attended
was
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
where
a
nice
little
chuckle
was
shared
about
how
long
this
project
has
taken.
It's
still
not
ready,
and
the
desire
for
this
project
to
move
forward
is
not
a
good
enough
reason
to
let
it
move
forward,
half-baked,
there's
insufficient
Green
Space.
Y
We
saw
this
with
Fleet
with
a
guarantee
of
a
future
10-year
CIP
that
will
consider
it.
That's
not
progress
being
able
to
list
off
the
categories
of
our
concerns:
parking,
Green,
Space,
consideration
of
the
neighborhood
fences
listing
those
does
not
equal
progress.
You've
heard
what
we've
said:
they've
heard,
what
we've
said
doesn't
mean
they've
done
anything
pointing
again
to
a
future
10-year
CIP.
Y
Y
Y
We
will
have
nine
with
no
guarantee
of
getting
that
10th
one
back
the
field.
That's
currently
at
mpsa
is
used
for
soccer
practice,
baseball
practice
t-ball
the
community
uses
it
not
having
no
longer
having
a
regulation.
Sized
field
is
not
just
a
problem
for
the
school.
It's
a
problem
for
the
area
around
the
neighborhood
around
and
I
would
like
to
ask
a
question
that
I
don't
know
that
there's
an
answer
to,
but
something
I
would
like
this
board
to
consider.
Y
Z
Good
morning
my
name
is
Olivier.
Masso
I
live
in
Arlington
Heights
near
the
career
center.
The
upcoming
career
center
project
offers
a
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity
to
build
a
unique
school
that
both
students
and
the
community
need.
We
want
a
designed
environment
that
confronts
climate
change
with
Dynamic
green
spaces
for
all
to
enjoy
to
enjoy.
The
current
exterior
design
for
the
career
center
is
more
reminiscent
of
a
bus
terminal
with
the
addition
of
synthetic
turf
fields
and
concrete
benches.
Z
Artificial
grass
might
get
extra
play
time,
but
the
36
thousand
square
feet
of
plastic
Turf
is
not
environmentally
friendly
and
ultimately
has
to
be
trashed
or
else
shipped
to
a
recycler
in
Denmark
at
a
big
expense.
Let's
do
better
and
be
more
audacious.
Instead
of
plastic
fields,
we
should
have
a
nature
track
around
the
property,
climbing
walls,
vertical
Gardens,
Dynamic
environments
that
allow
for
various
kinds
of
exercise
play
and
learning
for
Creative
for
inspiration
of
what
might
be
possible
for
the
career
center
visit.
Z
The
Creative
Design
of
the
lubber
run
Community
Center,
as
it
has
a
designed
outdoor
spaces
that
invite
everyone,
The,
Young
and
the
older
to
be
together.
Our
love
of
nature
is
not
simply
symbolic.
We
require
green
spaces
to
create
and
breathe
fresh
air
green
spaces,
help
students
and
teachers
better
manage
stress,
green
spaces,
make
economic
sense
too.
Improving
land
value
and
family
life.
Z
A
AA
Hello
good
to
be
here,
I'm,
the
VP
of
the
Penrose
neighborhood
association,
I'd
like
to
just
Echo
some
points
made
by
the
Arlington
Heights
civic
association.
One
concern
which
was
addressed
is
that
this
school
at
the
moments
to
be
lead
silver
nominally,
but
your
targeting
need
gold
and
that's
a
great
thing.
Let's
hope
that's
achieved.
AA
The
other
concern
is
parking
spaces,
I'm,
not
sure
if
a
sufficient
parking
there,
which
would
not
spread
out
to
the
neighborhood
neighborhood
community,
because
there's
still
undetermined
to
understand
whether
it's
70
or
230
parking
spots
for
students
will
be
required.
So
I
think
there's
still
a
big
concern.
There's
going
to
be
sprawl
of
parking
across
the
neighborhood.
AA
AA
It
would
be
good
to
have
lower
fencing
around
the
school,
because
four
foot
C
so
that
it
looks
like
a
bit
more
of
an
inclusive
location.
I
understand
that
the
the
the
fences
will
be
higher
than
that
I'll
read
this
one
out,
because
I
don't
understand
it
too.
AA
Well,
we
also
echoed
the
concern
about
the
removal
of
the
third
building
on
site
and
believe
the
use
per
application
should
be
revised
to
show
a
final
condition
of
no
more
than
two
buildings,
an
appropriate,
green
and
open
space
at
the
site
of
the
former
Patrick
and
rebuilding.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AB
Good
morning,
chair
Dorsey
members
of
the
County
Board
I'm
Ted,
black
and
I
chair
the
school
boards
building
level
planning
committee
for
the
career
center.
The
blpc
provided
advice
to
the
school
board
prior
to
its
decision
to
proceed
with
the
project
in
October,
and
you
have
that
in
the
letter
that
I
sent
you
since
then,
we've
met
jointly
with
the
public
Facilities
Review
Committee
to
comment
on
Reviving
refining
that
schematic
design,
but
we
haven't
acted
on
any
recommendations.
AB
So
my
comments
this
morning
on
my
own,
based
on
my
experience
as
the
chair,
so
first
I,
want
to
thank
all
those
who
contributed
to
the
process
and
helped
to
improve
the
project
during
the
concept
design
phase
of
the
project.
Community
concerns
about
the
future
of
the
overall
side,
prompted
the
school
board
to
include
longer
term
Direction
in
the
CIP.
AB
AB
The
current
project
isn't
perfect,
but
it
enables
continued
operations
on
site
and
it
creates
a
modern
com,
modern
campus
that
will
meet
the
needs
of
the
students
who
are
there
and
well
again.
Further
the
needs
of
our
community,
so
I
would
ask
and
I
urge
you
to
approve
the
permit
for
the
ACC.
Thank
you.
AC
Good
morning
can
I
confirm
that
I'm
hurt.
AC
Thank
you
Mr
Dorsey
good
morning
my
name
is
Steven
Hughes
and
my
neighbors
have
asked
me
to
speak,
and
over
eight
years
ago
a
County
Board
film
set
to
appoint
me
as
a
planning.
Commissioner.
After
one
of
the
many
points
I
made,
was
the
connection
of
all
aspects
in
APS
planning
and
the
need
for
high
school
seats.
Today
you
have
before
you
a
use
permit
to
approve
an
additional
1500
plus
seats
for
the
deserving
students
who
attend
Career,
Center
School.
Building.
AC
Much
has
been
made
about
the
budget
and
I
have
submitted
to
you
clear
evidence
that
the
budget
is
not
only
thirty
thousand
less
per
seat
or
a
total
of
about
47
million
less
than
it
should
be.
It
perpetuates
the
trend
of
aps's,
disparate
Investments,
which
are
less
the
poor
and
more
diverse
the
school
buildings
community
and
students,
the
community
objects,
and
has
said
you
are
wronging
them
in
five
specific
ways,
and
they
are
clear.
The
parking
should
have
been
undergrounded
to
add
tree
canopy
and
extra
open
space
to
a
dense
Community.
AC
The
building
should
have
been
Net
Zero
or
leave
gold.
Just
like
the
Heights
Building.
The
sidewalks
should
have
been
properly
constructed
across
the
entire
site.
This
would
have
been
easy
if
utilities
were
undergrounded
like
they
were
at
Cardinal
and
Discovery
pictures
have
been
provided.
The
Green
Space
identified
in
the
tsmp
should
have
been
maintained
or
enhanced
by
funding
the
Demolition
and
movement
of
the
mpsa
within
the
site
instead
of
diminishing
the
Green
Space.
AC
All
of
these
are
epitomized
by
the
fence
height
for
50
years,
when
each
side
of
the
fence
were
neighbors,
the
four
foot
fence
was
sufficient.
Then
the
very
day
the
community
in
the
school
felt
the
neighbors
outside
the
school
for
a
security
threat.
The
fence
was
raised
to
six
feet:
Yates
moved
from
the
street
to
the
building
and
padlocks
installed.
AC
If
this
board
wants
to
place
its
thumb
on
the
scale
and
right
the
wrongs
of
the
past,
instead
of
perpetuating
these
injustices,
it
is
simple
ensure
the
spending
per
seat
matches
the
heights
buildings
to
students
and
Community
are
richer
and
wider
than
the
careers
nurse
students
and
Community.
Thank
you.
AD
We
do
not
want
three
school
buildings
on
this
property,
nor
do
we
want
two
school
buildings
and
another
building
for
any
other
purpose.
The
neighborhood
simply
cannot
absorb
more
people,
more
traffic
or
more
parking
demands
once
the
new
career
center
is
constructed
and
the
present
Career
Center
building
is
refurbished.
The
current
Montessori
building
should
be
deconstructed
to
make
way
for
Green
Space,
which
brings
me
to
my
second
point.
AD
The
final
capacity
of
this
expanded
school
campus
is
more
than
2500
students.
It
is
imperative
that
there
be
adequate
Green,
Space
playing
fields
and
playground
equip
equipment
for
these
students.
Additionally,
these
green
spaces
playing
fields
and
playgrounds
should
be
open
to
the
public
when
school
is
not
in
session.
Our
neighborhood
is
home
to
more
schools
than
any
other
neighborhood
in
Arlington
at
a
bare
minimum.
We
deserve
the
courtesy
of
having
access
to
these
facilities
in
the
evenings
and
on
weekends.
AD
I
urge
you
to
not
approve
the
use
permit
for
the
career
center
in
its
present
state,
but
rather
to
insist
that
it
be
reworked
to
reflect
that
there
will
only
be
two
buildings
on
that
property
at
the
end
of
the
project
and
that
they
will
provide
Green,
Space,
Sports
fields
and
playground
equipment
which
will
be
accessible
to
the
public
when
not
in
use
by
the
schools.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AE
Good
morning,
I
had
a
number
of
issues
that
I
wanted
to
cover
regarding
the
career
center
Redevelopment,
but
I
sent
a
letter
last
week
addressed
to
Mr
Dorsey
and
the
board,
as
well
as
APS.
So
I'll
refer
you
all
to
that
for
some
specific
feedback.
AE
However,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
been
monitoring
the
career
center
development
process
and
I've
really
had
a
lot
of
trust
just
in
our
community
and
that
the
consensus
that
would
emerge
because
I
trust
our
elected
officials
have
been
in
Arlington
resident
for
20
years.
I
generally
liked
the
direction
that
we're
going
in,
but
I
received
the
acha
letter
on
May
10th
and
that
really
sparked
some
concerns
in
me
and
then
I
attended
the
May
31st
commissioner
planning
meeting,
which
really
shocked
me.
AE
AE
I'll
also
draw
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
numerous
Commissioners
said
that
they
would
not
approve
this
permit
or
this
plan
if
it
was
any
other
developer.
Besides
APS
and
I
think
just
listening
to
item
number
39,
that's
clear
that
you
all
would
not
do
this
if
it
wasn't
APS
behind
this.
The
only
reason
it
passed
was
because
one
of
the
Commissioners
had
abstained
from
voting
I.
Don't
think,
that's
how
you
make
a
decision
about
200
million
dollars
of
taxpayer
dollars.
I.
AE
Also
direct
your
attention
to
commissioner
Steinberger,
who
said
that
we
shouldn't
have
the
same
standards
for
our
schools
and
our
tax
dollars
as
we
do
for
private
developers
who
have
more
at
stake
or
more
money
and
I
find
that
incredibly
short-sighted.
That's
not
the
way
good
public
policy
decisions
are
made,
so
I
think
I'm
going
to
just
leave
it
at
that
I
think
our
neighbors
have
covered
everything
else.
I
strongly
oppose
going
forward
with
this,
as
it's
currently
constructed,
we
can
do
better
in
Arlington
than
what's
being
proposed
right
now.
AE
AF
A
AF
Great
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
front
of
the
County
Board
today,
I'm
Brian
sigritz
co-president
of
the
Arlington
Heights
civic
association.
As
you're
aware,
Arlington
Heights
is
the
home
of
the
career
center.
It's
also
one
of
the
oldest
neighborhoods
in
Arlington,
with
diverse
housing.
Arlington
Heights
has
long
been
supportive
of
APS
and
currently
has
more
schools
located
within
its
boundaries
than
any
other
neighborhood
in
Arlington.
AF
That
being
said,
as
you've
heard
from
other
speakers,
we
have
a
number
of
concerns
throughout
the
career
center
reuse
permit
and
in
the
equities
included
in
the
permit.
I
should
also
add
our
concerns
for
echoed
last
week
by
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
I,
believe
you
have
all
received
a
copy
of
our
letter
outlining
our
concerns.
AF
I
should
also
note
that
seven
other
surrounding
neighborhoods
has
submitted
a
letter
supporting
our
concerns.
Our
concern
is
largely
lie
around
the
fact.
The
use
permit
is
not
a
fully
thought
out
plan
that
does
not
provide
adequate,
green
and
open
space,
nor
does
it
meet
the
same
standards
as
other
recent
projects
throughout
the
county.
AF
AF
Having
three
buildings
will
leave
inadequate,
green
and
open
space.
We
are
asking
the
use
permit,
be
modified
to
show
final
condition
of
no
more
than
two
buildings,
an
appropriate
green
and
open
space
at
the
current
Patrick
Henry
building
a
lack
of
Green
Space.
We
are
concerned
about
the
loss
of
public
facilities.
AF
Currently,
the
career
center
has
Open
Fields
in
part
which
are
used
by
many
people
throughout
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
including
residents
of
Fillmore
Garden
apartments
across
Walter
Reed.
The
use
permit
removes
a
number
of
public
official
facilities,
including
a
diamond
field,
a
full-size
basketball
court,
a
playground
and
large
green
open
space.
AF
We
want
to
ensure
that
the
final
condition
of
the
use
permit
contains
adequate
Green
Space
sufficient
public
facilities
and
is
available
after
school
hours.
Another
area
concern
is
the
lack
of
proper
streetscaping
and
sidewalks,
especially
around
the
current
Patrick
Henry
building.
When
the
new
Arlington
Career
Center
opens
they'll,
be
approximately
2500
people
on
site,
we
are
asking
that
the
use
permit
be
revised,
includes
proper
sidewalks
around
the
entirety
of
the
career
center
site
and
to
comply
with
Arlington
County
streetscape
standards.
AF
AF
AF
AF
Finally,
we
want
to
ensure
the
parking
garage
has
adequate
parking
to
meet
identified
needs
and
complies
with
the
zoning
ordinance.
While
we
would
still
like
to
see
an
underground
parking
garage
like
other
recent
County
buildings,
we
at
least
want
to
make
sure
the
parking
garage
has
sufficient
parking.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
the
parking
garage
meets
a
high
architectural
standard.
AF
In
summary,
we
ask
that
you
ensure
the
career
center
site
provides
adequate
Green
Space
leaves
only
two
buildings
provides
adequate
facilities
and
meets
the
same
standards
as
other
recent
projects
throughout
Arlington
County.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
we're
always
asked
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
AG
AG
So
there
is
no
reason
why
this
school
should
be
different
than
any
school
that
is
built
in
any
other
neighborhood
Arlington
Heights
actually
invited
the
building
of
a
high
school
in
their
neighborhoods
three
schools
they
wanted
and
we
wanted
a
neighborhood
school.
We
did
not
get
that.
There
were
so
many
asks
in
years
of
meetings,
and
none
of
those
asks
are
included
in
this
design.
We
were
told
this
design
was
going
to
be
the
jewel
of
Columbia
Pike.
It
is
not.
It
looks
like
a
Russian
built
building.
AG
It's
just
unbelievable
I'm,
going
to
speak
now
about
specifics.
Originally
APS
testified
at
various
Community
meetings
that
there
was
a
need
for
576
parking
spaces
at
this
site.
They
are
providing
345
and
they
have
stated
that
they
will
tell
students
to
park
in
nearby
neighborhoods
in
unzoned
streets.
That
is
not
sufficient,
so
we
are
either.
Then
they
change
the
numbers
so
we're
either
short
80
spots
or
180,
not
sure
which
one
it
is
because
we
can't
get
information
of
that.
AG
The
Transportation,
Commission
and
Planning
Commission
want
to
remove
parking
on
South
9th
Street
when
we
are
short
spaces
to
provide
two
sides
of
bike
Lanes.
When
literally
his
survey
stated
that
four
percent
of
staff
bicycle
that's
13
people,
that's
13.,
I
mean
this
is
absurd.
AG
Impervious
surface
the
whole
sea
of
ASP
of
concrete
is
it's.
The
whole
thing
is
a
sea
of
concrete.
So
if
we
are
making
homeowners
and
developers
put
in
pervious
driveways
and
structures
for
parking,
why
aren't
we
doing
this
in
our
walkways
here?
There
is
way
too
much
impervious
surface
and
that's
going
to
create
storm
water
problems.
AG
So,
as
people
have
testified
to
you,
this
is
being
built
as
lead
silver.
We
know
this
should
be
built
as
lead
gold.
Again
to
me,
this
is
an
equity
issue
with
South
and
North
Arlington,
Brian
and
others
have
spoke
to
you
about
the
fencing
Penrose
agrees.
This
needs
to
be
four
foot
fencing
and
it
needs
to
be
accessible
to
the
community.
AG
The
use
permit
does
not
state
that
the
third
building
would
be
removed
and
it
it's
their
APS
is
basically
saying
this
is
a
future
Capital
project,
but
there
is
no
guarantee
going
forward
that
that
would
happen,
and
then
the
community
would
lose
the
amenities
where
so
many
kids,
as
Brian
also
said,
Fillmore
Gardens
heavily
uses
those
facilities
for
all
of
their
kids.
That's
right
across
the
street.
AG
So,
as
far
as
the
plastic
grass,
why
would
we
spend
millions
and
it
will
cost
Millions
to
put
plastic
grass
in
a
playground
and
on
fields
that
cannot
be
recycled?
It
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
We
need
drainage,
we
need
and
inviting
spot
for
people
to
have
movie
night
or
music
or
for
kids
to
play.
We
don't
need
plastic
grass
all
over
Arlington
County,
so
we
support
everything
that
these
people
have
testified
before
me
and
thank
you
and
please
do
not
approve
the
use
permit.
Thank
you.
A
Now,
with
the
County
Board
and
colleagues
just
to
keep
the
many
themes
in
in
order
to
propose
roughly
four
buckets
macro
issues
which
could
include
school
policy
school
funding
capacity.
Any
you
know,
studies
that
have
been
done
on
the
useful
life
of
buildings
that
exist
there.
Currently
coordination
with
the
county.
A
If
there
are
any
of
those
that
would
be
in
that
bucket,
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
open
space
which
is
inclusive,
inclusive
of
all
of
the
concerns
about
turfing
Etc,
then
there's
parking
circulation
and
Transit
mobility
throughout
the
site
and
then
finally,
the
site
plan
improvements
which
would
include
sidewalks
utilities
and
the
buildings
themselves.
So
if
we
could
go
in
that
order,
just
to
keep
us
roughly
organized,
let's
start
off
with
any
questions
about
macro
issues
and
while
you're
thinking
I'll
sort
of
begin
Mr
Chambers.
A
A
Well,
while
you're
pulling
it
up
I'll,
just
if
one
of
you
can
keep
an
ear
out
to
what
I'm
asking
my
for
this
body,
at
least
when
we
make
motions-
and
we
actually
go
through
with
a
vote-
to
declare
something
to
direct
something
it
actually
until
controverted
by
the
body.
Is
the
public
publicly
accountable
way?
We
are
expected
to
to
act
so
absent
some
change
in
that
direction
or
policy.
We
convey
that
our
actions
should
leave
the
public
and
other
interested
stakeholders
with
an
understanding
that
that
is
what
will
happen.
A
Is
that
true,
as
well,
for
how
your
body
operates?
That
is
my
understanding,
okay
and
so,
for
the
purposes
of
this
conversation
until
publicly
altered,
the
school
board
has
set
a
direction
that,
in
addition
to
seeking
to
have
a
development
schedule
of
the
new
building
on
this
site
and
construction
of
the
parking
garage
and
all
the
other
facilities
subject
to
the
use
permit
that,
following
that,
there
will
be
a
decommissioning
of
the
existing
Patrick
Henry
building.
X
A
X
L
Yeah
I'm
that
exact
line
of
questioning
thank
you
for
starting
us
there
Mr
chair.
It
is
my
understanding
that
the
career
center
will
be
not
not
be
relocated
to
its
new
building
until
2025
at
the
earliest
likely
2026.
Is
that
correct
that.
L
It
fair
to
say
that
we
could
expect,
given
that
as
Mr
Dorsey
established,
it
is
the
Direction
and
intent
to
deconstruct
mpsa
and
construct
a
new
field.
Is
it
fair
to
say
that
by
the
time
ACC
is
relocated?
There
should
be
an
adopted
plan
in
terms
of
money
in
the
CIP
and
potentially
even
starting
to
Advance
Design
to
effectuate
that
third
third
phase
yeah.
X
J
Garvey,
just
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
do
you
know,
do
you
have
any
a
general
estimate
of
what
the
cost
will
be
to
do?
Commission
in
that
building.
J
The
Patrick
Henry
Billy
I'm,
looking
forward
to
what
I
can
see
how
people
are
concerned.
The
plan
is
now
to
have
this
green
space
and
it's
great,
but
that
that's
going
to
cost
money
and
you
may
need
I
just
would
sort
of
like
a
general
idea
and
when
that
might
happen,
then,
because
from
Miss
Crystal's
questioning,
I'm
thinking,
maybe
20
26
27.
But
it's
not
in
the
CIP
now
at
all.
Is
that
correct.
X
Yeah
I
think
that
the
major
cost
is
is
refitting
a
secondary
building
to
be
an
elementary
building
of
the
existing
career
center.
The
the
demolition
or
decommissioning
of
the
building,
I
think
don't
think,
would
be
a
significant
cost
in
the
sense
of
right
now
we're
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
decommission
the
Fenwick
building
and
I'm
going
to
say
it's
four
to
five
times
larger
the
the
Patrick
Henry
building.
So
you
know
you
can
do
the
math
and
it
would
be
in
the
in
that
ballpark
Indoor
Range.
So.
X
The
refritting
again,
we've
like
I,
said:
we've
done
a
study
to
see
if
the
Ed
Speck
would
fit
in
that
existing
building
and
it
does
and
we
we've
provided,
put
together
a
study
that
shows
multiple
options
for
consideration
of
the
superintendent
when
he
does
his
CIP
presentation
to
the
board.
Okay,.
J
Thank
you,
yeah
I,
I.
Don't
think
this
is
something
we
put
into
the
into
the
permit
that
they
have
to.
We
can't
do
that,
but
I
think
we
can
commit
to
following
really
closely
and
working
with
our
school
board
colleagues
and
making
sure
that
this
actually
does
happen,
because
I
can't
really
understand
people's
concerns.
Thank.
M
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
the
I
I
fully
understand
why
the
community
is
not
I
mean
it's
Eerie
about
that.
The
the
plans
for
the
career
center
have
changed
many
times
despite
the
and
the
guidance
of
the
school
board
has
changed
many
times
for
reasons
that
I
can
understand
that
we
all
can
can
understand
and
I
trust
that
this
is
the
the
the
the
direction
that
you
have
and
the
direction
that
you're
working
on.
M
It
is
not
of
less
importance,
though,
so
you
say
that
the
the
you
did
a
preliminary
study
that
shows
that
the
Montessori
program
is
going
to
is
fits
into
the
Legacy
building
correct,
but
you
don't
know
the
cost
yet,
and
you
don't
know
the
options
that
are
available.
Has
this
study
identified
any
significant
obstacle
that
could
you
know
delay?
M
You
know
protract
this
this
process
similar
to
how
it
protects
we
found.
You
know
many
stumbling
blocks
on
the
on
the
way
to
the
new
ACC.
X
I
I
think
the
the
stumbling
block
is
just
getting
the
funding
in
the
CIP
available
at
the
timing
that
it's
required
to
be
available.
You
know,
I
I,
think
that
that's
you
know
you,
you
all
work
on
a
on
a
CIP
and
you
have
that
juggle
between
dollars
in
in
need
and
how
you
put
that
together
and
I
assume.
That's
the
only
obstacle
I
know
of
at
this
point
in
time.
M
Yeah
I
get
I
get
that,
but
you
know
they're
always
you
know
competing
priorities.
You
have
also
a
lot
of
Title
One
schools
that
you,
you
need
to
fix
right
now
and
but
you
know,
do
you
have
an
idea
like
Miss
Garvey
asked
what
what
the
a
reasonable
expectation
is
as
to
the
order
of
magnitude
of
spending
there
and
how
it
would
you
know,
impact
on
on
AP
on
APS
as
bonding
capacity.
X
Yeah
I
I,
don't
I
mean
the
the
studies
range
in
you
know,
from
20
million
to
to
more
than
that,
I
mean
it's
just
it's
it's
a
range
of
of
how
much
you
do
to
the
building
and
again
I.
Don't
want
to
speak
for
the
board
before
they
put
together.
What
they
want
to
do.
I
can't
speak
to
that
until
they
make
that
decision.
X
K
You
Mr
defranti,
thank
you,
Mr,
chair
I'm,
following
just
where
Mr
Karen,
Thomas
and
I
appreciate
you're
in
a
difficult
spot.
This
the
study
options.
Did
they
do
those
options?
Keeping
in
mind
score
is
not
acted.
Do
those
options
set
forth
dollar
amounts
to
less
than
20
million,
20
million
just
for
a
ballpark
and
that's
a
question
just
about
because
I
don't
look
as
often
as
perhaps
I
should
at
APS
meetings
or
I
do
use
board
docs,
but
not
as
much
as
perhaps
I
should
so
just
a
question
of.
X
There
there
are
dollar
amounts
differences,
but
it's
really
a
question
of
how
much
they
do
to
the
building.
The
the
all
three
options
that
have
been
provided
will
house
the
program.
It's
just
a
question
of
how
much
they
do
to
the
facility
and
how
many
modifications
get
made
to
the
building.
Okay,.
A
X
Yeah
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
full
estimate
at
this
point
in
time
we
are
doing
a
full
assessment
of
all
of
our
facilities
that
will
be
available
for
the
next
CIP
for
the
board
to
establish
priorities
on
buildings.
I
can
state
that
during
covid,
when
we
evaluated
mechanical
systems,
it
was
one
that
needed
a
significant
amount
of
work.
I
would
say
based
on
the
square
footage,
and
the
dollar
amounts
that
we
have
spent
on
buildings
to
refurbish
them.
A
Program
yeah:
that
was
the
point
that
I
was
driving
at.
So
thank
you
for
getting
there
quickly
that
you're.
Looking
at
a
situation
where
at
least
From
aps's
perspective,
there
is
no
fiscal
advantage
to
keeping
the
program
in
its
current
Place
versus
following,
through
with
the
adopted
policy,
to
relocate.
A
And,
and
with
that
and
then
Mr
D
Franti
I'll
promise
for
phase
two
since
the
later
plan,
adoptive
policy
also
includes
eliminating
the
relocatables,
bringing
the
capacity
of
the
Montessori
program
to
be
capped
at
somewhere
around
488
488
I
believe
what
what's
the
capacity
of
students
that
could
be
accommodated
in
the
existing
Career
Center
building.
X
A
K
This
is
different
type
of
question,
but
also
a
mindful
of
our
role
on
the
County
Board
and
both
a
responsibility
we
have,
but
also
that
I'm
not
here
to
the
subject
of
future
enrollment
is
this
is
the
last
10
years
there's
been
speculation
about
that
and
all
that,
but
I
the
takeaway
that
I've
had.
Is
that,
even
if
is
that
there
is
a
capacity
problem
over
the
next
five
to
seven
years
with
respect
to
or
10
years
with,
respect
to
high
school
seats
there
may
be
lower
enrollment
needs.
K
You
know,
five
years
ago
we
were
building
schools,
try
racing
to
catch
up.
Some
places
were
still
racing
to
catch
up,
but
is
it
do
I
have
that
right
because
I'm
sort
of
relying
on
conversations
individual
conversations
with
school
board
members
from
say
five
six
eight
months
ago
and
I
just
you
would
have
a
more
up-to-date
sense
of
whether
there's
a
high
school
capacity
problem
that
we
are
facing.
And
thus
you
know
the
timeline
indicates
an
urgency
and
we
I
feel
some
of
that
urgency.
X
Yeah
I
I
think
based
they're
again.
Planning
and
evaluation
is
currently
working
on
what
used
to
be
called
the
afsat
which
will
be
coming
out
this
summer,
so
we'll
have
a
better
knowledge
of
where
that
is.
But
you
know
with
with
covid
and
the
changes
and
and
populations,
it's
been
very
difficult
to
actually
get
a
handle
on
where,
where
student
populations
are
going,
you
know,
are
we
going
to
go
back
into
a
growth
mode?
X
I
I
can't
answer
that
at
this
point,
I
don't
think
anybody
truly
can
but
again
we're
looking
at
at
new
data
and
information
and
planning
and
evaluation
we'll
be
forthcoming
with
that
information
over
the
next
couple
of
months.
X
So
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
school
sure
you
know
with
without
having
that
that
background,
because
again,
every
two
years
we
have
seen
a
change
and
an
adjustment
in
where
our
our
seat
needs
are
whether
Elementary
or
secondary,
but
I,
believe
there
is
still
secondary
seat
issues
and
I
think
with
regard
to
the
career
center,
it
is
our
only
secondary
school
that
has
not
been
improved
and
it's
been
in
need
for
a
decade.
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Both
parts
of
that
are
helpful.
My
impression
is
that
our
high
schools
currently
are
relatively
full
in
most
cases,
but
we're
talking
four
years
down
the
road
and
and
everything
does
seem
to
shift
with
each
apps
app
so,
but
that
helps
the
equity
point.
In
addition,
is,
is
helpful.
J
Thank
you,
I
I
will
say
that
we
absolutely
will
be
on
growth
mode
again.
We
just
don't
know
when
that's
how
it
is.
Our
chair
is
back
I,
think
we'll
Mr
D
franti's
question
I,
can't
remember
actually,
which
bucket
we're
on
so
I'll
get
that
Crystal.
L
I
was
gonna,
say,
I
have
a
question
on
the
bucket
of
County
School
improvements,
joint
surrounding
site
issues.
A
Yeah,
well,
that
is
a
bucket
coming
later
they're
still
on
micro,
yeah.
M
X
There's
nothing
that's
been
actioned
by
the
school
board
to
say
anything
other
than
that,
as
we
discussed
earlier.
Have
there
been
other
conversations?
Of
course
there
have
people
have
hypothetical
thoughts,
all
the
time
with
regard
to
how
our
facilities
get
used
and,
quite
frankly,
every
fall.
Our
buildings
are
adjusted
or
modified
or
changed
depending
on
the
needs,
because
whatever
students
show
up,
we
have
to
address
and
house
so.
M
The
the
Montessori
program-
that's
the
complete
program-
will
grow
to
the
new
Elementary
standard.
That
I
take,
for
example,
Alice
West
Fleet
as
a
new
Elementary
standard,
and
this
is
750
students
and,
and
that
will
be
the
the
one
and
only
use
in
the
Legacy
building.
Once
the
mpsa
moves
into
that
yeah.
X
A
All
right
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
another
bucket.
So
are
there
any
conversations,
questions
about
sort
of
open
space,
the
open
space
program,
including
the
turf
program,
anything
else.
L
One
of
the
things
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
is
this
reduction
in
pervious
Space,
the
reason
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
it
is
that
I
don't
understand
where
the
permeable
space
is
now
the
entire
site
is
blacktop,
so
I
I
would
have
thought
that
even
adding
more
footprint
of
ground
you
know
creating
some
of
it.
As
you
describe
the
partially
permeable
Turf.
Other
elements
would
have
created
some
new
permeable
space
relative
to
current.
So
can
you
help
me?
This
may
be
just
a
question
about
the
current
condition.
Yeah.
X
I
think
the
current
condition
again,
and
some
of
it
is,
is
not
as
permeable
as
as
people
think.
The
the
largest
grass
area
is
the
corner
of
7th
Street
and
Highland.
L
C
X
We
did
actually
recede
that
tried
to
clean
it
up
for
the
career
center
to
use
as
PE
space.
They
used
it
very
irregularly
because
it
was
just
not
great
grass
and
there
were
issues
with
the
surface,
so
they've
pretty
much
been
working.
You
know
around
that
they
typically
have
not
been
using
the
outside
space
per
se.
N
L
Help
me
understand
the
conversion
replacement
of
the
playground
is
the
new
playground
will
have
less
pervious
space,
because
does
it
overall
have
a
smaller
footprint
in
order
to
con
to
accommodate
some
of
the
other
construction
than
the
current
playground,
or
it's
just
envisioned
that
it'll
have
more
benches
and.
X
Well,
it's
basically
there's
going
to
be
accessible
paths
that
we
don't
have
in
our
current
playground,
because
that's
all
impermeable
now,
so
the
new
playground
is
not
going
to
have
less
permeable
space
yeah
because
of
that,
because
we
can't
just
use
the
chip
mulch
to
get
accessibility.
Okay,
so
that's
part
of
it
we're
Paving
over
a
section
of
the
grass
current
grass
for
the
half
court
basketball
of
the
area
along
Highland
for
the
other
primary
play
area.
We
are
taking
the
asphalt
out,
but
we're
putting
Turf
in.
X
So
we
can't
count
that
as
permeable,
but
all
of
this
is
being
worked.
We
have
to
get
our
storm
water
approvals
as
part
of
that,
so
everything
is
being
addressed
and
handled
for
this
step
of
the
development
of
this
site.
So
we
are
taking
care
of
all
of
the
storm
water
to
the
point
that
we
are
developing
the
site.
L
X
X
Okay,
but
with
this
project,
all
of
the
relocatables
will
be
removed
from
the
site
and
again,
what
is
currently
the
asphalt
parking
area
will
become
the
Synthetic
Turf
field,
which
will
have
some
capacity
to
store
storm
water
in
the
in
the
gravel
under
the
the
turf,
but
it
will
not
be
considered
by
County
standards
as
being
permeable.
A
Synthetic
Turf
seems
to
me
that
the
most
utility,
the
utility
of
synthetic,
comes
from
being
able
to
maximize
its
its
play,
which
typically
comes
from
the
facilities
being
suitable
for
the
broadest
number
of
uses,
which
would
be
regulation
size
play
Given
that
this
is
not
that.
Why
why
the
decision
to
make
it
synthetic
the.
X
Reason
to
make
it
synthetic
is,
we
do
believe,
there's
going
to
be
youth
programs.
Dpr
is
already
noted.
They
would
put
youth
programs
on
here
we're
also
looking
at
at
the
possibility,
putting
a
square
on
it
for
t-ball
to
be
used
on
that
that
field
by
Community
uses
not
not
school
uses,
but
we
envision
that
field
to
be
used
for
physical
education
classes
for
the
careers
Center
during
the
time
frame
that
this
this
will
be.
X
You
know
in
use,
and
then
it
will
be
available,
like
all
of
our
playgrounds
and
turf
areas,
for
the
community
use
the
problem
with
doing
a
natural
turf
field
is
they
need
to
rest,
and
I
will
probably
bet
money
that
this
field
will
never
rest.
J
I'm
going
to
continue
getting
down
into
the
weeds
with
all
these
turf
fields
and
everything.
What
would
it
take
to
make
the
artificial
field
qualify
as
permeable
I
mean
I'm
sure
there
are
ways
of
doing
that
to
get
it
to
catch
more
water.
Is
that
the
issue
and
store
it
or
retain
it?
What's
needed.
X
It's
the
standard
that
the
county
uses
to
count
it
as
storm
water.
They
do
not
count
turf
fields
as
permeable
period,
but.
X
The
point
is
we:
we
don't
use
them
as
part
of
our
calculation,
even
though
we
can
percolate
water
in
and
and
it's
not
counted
as
part
of
our.
We
have
to
take
care
of
all
of
the
storm
water
without
you,
sorry,
without
using
that,
as
as
a
permeable
surface.
So,
even
if
it
is
permeable,
it's
not
counted
as
permeable
when
we
do
the
stormwater
calculation.
J
All
right
so
you're
even
doing
more
with
the
water
and
I
do
know
that
with
some
of
our
Fields
some
of
the
dirt
is
so
it's
actually.
You
know
like
sassy
even
said
it's
like
cement,
I
mean
it's
grass
is
not
necessarily
or
dirt
is
not
necessarily
permeable.
Okay
and
I
can
see
the
the
reason
to
have
it.
I
think
you're,
right,
I,
don't
think
that
field
will
rest.
So
thank.
M
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
Mr
Chambers,
so
just
for
me
to
clarify
in
the
same
slide
here
close
to
number
five.
There
is
this
little
place
triangle
on
the
on
the
right
corner.
Is
that
synthetic
too
right
in
front
of
the
last
segment
of
the
new
ACC
on
Seventh?
No.
M
The
number
four
yes,
but
next
to
number
five,
there
is
another
one
number.
M
Not
that's:
that's
not
synthetic,
correct,
okay,
correct
back
to
permeability,
so
I
understand
that
the
concrete
you
know
the
roadways
that
go
now
through
the
compost.
The
main
campus
that
these
have
to
be
they
have
to
you,
know,
carry
the
load
of
buses.
Etc
I
understand
it's
not
very
easy
to
make
them
to
to
enhance
their
perviousness,
but
what
about
the
the
strip?
That
is
between
the
number
three
field
and
the
main
ACC
building
and
the
little
Bosque
the
the
the
tree-lined
area?
X
Yeah
I
I
again,
the
we
are
taking
all
of
the
the
paved
area
or
the
concrete
area
of
the
the
walkway
bus
area
is,
is
all
going
into
BIOS
whales.
So
it's
not
going
directly
into
storm.
It's
going
into
bioscales
BIOS
whales
to
infiltrate
as
much
as
we
can.
The
the
driveway
between
the
field
number
three
in
the
back
that
is
all
draining
into
the
tree
bus.
X
K
I
guess
for
me,
your
questions
regarding
the
plan
and
the
presumption
that
the
school
board
is
on
open
space
is
where
my
hope
is,
and
my
focus
is
on
the
remaining
mpsa
site.
I
do
have
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
since
we're
on
this
Slide,
the
white
near
number:
five,
the
two
buildings
there
if
I
remember
right,
there's,
there's
sort
of
dumpster
trash,
that's
above
the
existing
ACC
site.
Would
that
near
number
five,
not
the
green
sort
of
octagon
or
but
the
the
other
other
space.
That's
below
the
four
trees.
K
Is
that
space
that
once
that
that
could
be
reconfigured
does
that
serve
the
current
existing
ACC
building?
Is
that
right.
X
Yeah,
essentially
we're
keeping
that
space
as
it
currently
is,
because
that
space
would
be
developed
with
a
move
of
the
mpsa
building
into
that
building.
That
would
end
up
becoming
a
place
play
area.
We
would
intend
to
reuse
some
of
the
play
structures
that
we
have
to
create,
that
into
a
play
area
as
well
as
between
9th
Street,
and
the
back
of
that
building
would
also
be
a
play
area.
X
Well,
the
dotted
line,
actually
we're
counting,
is
impervious
area,
because
one
of
the
options
could
be
to
build
a
gym
or
it
could
become
a
hard
surface
outdoor
basketball
space.
So
when
we
did
the
calculations
for
this,
we
are
counting
that
as
impermeable.
Even
though
at
this
point
it's
going
to
be
grass
got.
K
L
Right
sure,
absolutely
just
for
a
comparator,
I
think
living
in
Douglas,
Park
I
think
a
lot
of
us
TJ
are
the
Alice
was
Fleet,
is
a
pretty
good
frame
of
reference
and
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
map
what
I
know
about
those
conditions
to
what's
proposed
here,
particularly
for
kind
of
the
the
first
phase
playground
conditions
for
mpsa,
first,
just
to
confirm
the
play
spaces
that
are
in
front
of
Fleet
right
now.
Those
are
Turf
right
or
the
where
the
playground
is
or
they
grass
there.
L
L
Okay
and
how
tall
are
the
fences
surrounding
their
their
the
blockchain
length.
X
Yeah,
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
generally,
we
do
a
four
foot
fence,
but
we
typically
have
a
sidewalk
planting
strip,
Shrubbery
whatever
trees,
and
then
the
fence.
This
particular
fence
is
right
on
the
sidewalk
yeah.
When
mpsa
moved
into
this
building,
it
had
a
four
foot
fence.
When
it
was
Henry,
they
immediately
had
issues
with
balls
going
over
the
fence
out
into
the
street.
They
they
were
very
concerned.
Parents
were
concerned.
X
You
know,
with
with
people
not
involved
with
the
school,
walking
the
sidewalk
right
adjacent
there,
while
the
children
are
out
playing,
you
know
if
there
could
be
an
issue
or
concern,
that's
why
it
was
changed,
and
we
were
just
maintaining
that
as
part
of
this,
we
we
did
ask
the
principal.
If
we
could
go
to
a
forefoot,
she
would
said
because
of
Parental
concerns
and
and
Safety
and
Security
of
the
kids.
She
would
prefer
to
keep
it
six
feet,
so
we've
left
it
at
six
feet
at
this
point
in
time.
L
A
risk
of
pushing
back
too
much
I
believe,
though,
especially
when
you
think
about
the
maybe
the
Western
boundary
of
that
place.
Basic
Fleet
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
that
that
fences
right
up
against
the
sidewalk
with
the
street
on
the
other
side,
I,
don't
think,
there's
an
extensive
buffer
there.
That's.
L
Okay,
I,
don't
know
that
this
is
something
this
Board
needs
to
resolve,
but
I
will
say,
I
think,
given
that
that
has
become
such
a
sticking
point
for
members
of
our
community.
I
would
love
to
see
if
there's
maybe
a
little
more
conversation
that
could
be
had
knowing
that
there's
a
nearby
school
that
not
for
nothing,
has
a
Montessori
three
and
four
Pre-K
right
and
is
managing
seems
to
be
managing
pretty
well
with
that
four
foot
fence
just
next
door.
L
You
know
far
be
it
for
me
to
tell
an
educator
or
administrator,
what's
safest
for
their
program,
but
given
how
important
it
is
to
the
community
I
think
it
would
be
worth
seeing
if
we
couldn't
explore
a
little
further,
knowing
that
there's
a
presidential
site
that
has
so
much
in
common
with
this
one
to
before
that,
that
final
condition
is
executed.
A
And
continue
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
associate
myself
with
you
Miss
Crystal,
but
perhaps
be
a
little
stronger,
it's
kind
of
stupid.
You
know
I
hate
to
say
that
if,
if
the
concerns
are
safety,
a
male
actor
will
not
be
deterred
by
a
six
foot
fence.
If
the
issues
balls
going
over
a
fence.
A
Clearly,
that's
an
issue
for
four
foot
fences,
and
so
what
we
have
here
is
a
situation
where
we've
got
no
tangible
benefit,
but
a
clear
demonstrated,
Community
response
that
it
becomes
a
way
to
distance
this
facility
from
the
community
with
which
it's
supposed
to
embrace,
not
only
because
it's
a
school
but
because
it's
utilizing
public
S3,
a
zoning
which
does
invite
that
level
of
Engagement
with
the
community.
A
So
this
is
an
issue
where
I
would
just
strongly
advise
APS
four
foot
fence
and
you'll
you'll
make
people
significantly
happy
while
doing
nothing
to
diminish
the
impact
on
the
school
program
or
safety,
and
it's
an
issue
of
keeping
balls
in
play
and
and
other
things
other
folks
have
figured
that
out
in
in
a
way,
that's
far
more
effective
than
just
simply
an
arbitrary
24
inches
of
a
fence.
But
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
and
hope
that
that
compels
people
to
maybe
rethink
what
has
been
a
rigid
position
on
keeping
the
size
intact.
M
Just
to
add
to
your
comment
into
Miss
Crystal's
comment.
Indeed,
this
is
this
is
really
a
very
big
deterrent
there
and
that
that
doesn't
invite
it
doesn't
make
this
cool
look
but-
and
it
destroys
also
the
public
Realm
of
the
building.
You
still
have
also
the
the
ability
to
add
some
Landscaping
there
that
would
be,
you
know,
would
establish
a
a
safe
buffer
zone.
There
I
I,
think
that
you
can
do
that,
and
this
is
this
really
has
been
offensive
to
many
and
I.
Think
it's
really
salvable
yeah
fixable.
X
K
For
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
the
discussion
of
the
career
center
parking
has
been
a
a
big
piece
of
this
so
and
I'm
just
I.
Think
this
question
is
for
Mr,
Gibson
or
Miss
Sontag
I'm,
not
sure
sure
which
it's
concerning
the
analysis
that
was
referred
to
by
the
public,
and
that
is
in
the
staff
report,
page
page
29
and
kind
of
there's
different
assessments.
K
When
I
was
a
teacher,
I
brought
my
whole
classroom
home
every
night
and
so
I
empathize.
With
the
perspective
that
parking
is
important,
but
I
also
wanted
to
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
the
FI.
Why
the
576
and
the
finding
that
leads
to
488
it's
in
the
staff
report,
but
I
also
I,
guess,
would
ask
if
you
could
just
sort
of
describe
some
of
the
assumptions
that
led
to
the
recommendation
that
the
smaller
number
will
still
be
sufficient
to
service
the
site.
K
W
So
the
the
larger
number
is
the
zoning
ordinance
calculation.
It
isn't
necessarily
based
on
programs
or
or
current
data
that
APS
is
seeing.
It
also
includes
additional
parking
for
the
gyms
and
Auditorium
spaces
and
in
almost
all
of
our
recent
past
school
projects,
we've
had
a
zoning
required
number
and
then
we've
used
experiential
data
to
right
size,
the
parking
and
so
in
this
project.
W
Aps
did
a
number
of
did
a
a
parking
model
based
on
observed
parking
demands
of
this
school
and
other
schools
to
come
to
a
parking
demand
for
the
teachers,
visitors
and
staff.
That
is
roughly
the
345
spaces
that
that
their
mmta
recommended,
which
is,
is
actually
the
same
size
as
the
garage
and
then
the
model
also
projected
parking
demand
for
students,
and
so
the
parking
demand
for
the
the
student
drivers
was
estimated
around
70
spaces.
W
But
APS
has
made
a
programmatic
decision
that
the
parking
will
support
the
the
teachers
and
and
students
will
be
parked
utilizing
existing
surface
spaces.
We
as
a
county
have
tried
to
right
size
our
parking
across
programs
so
that
we
don't
over,
build
our
parking
Supply
and
such
that
we
do
utilize.
Some
of
the
surface
parking
as
a
resource
as
opposed
to
taking
up
additional
Green,
Space
or
other
things,
and
in
this
case
what
we
are
seeing
is
we
think
that
this
this
number
of
435
is
the
right
sized
amount.
K
So
just
trying
to
follow
up
a
little
bit,
there's
mention
of
there's
the
full
block
around
and
there's
the
question
of
whether
parking
would
be
used
there,
but
I
guess:
I'd
start
with
the
question
of
the
the
space
where
priobranglia,
where
the
the
festival
usually
is
demand
management
and
and
whether
there
would
be
meters
there.
It
would
be
something
that
we
would
figure
out
over
time
doing
an
assessment
of
how
many
spaces
are
available.
K
W
In
that
space,
as
well
as
all
of
the
part,
I
I
believe
that
all
of
the
parking
around
the
site
will
will
get
re-evaluated
and
APS
will
provide
input
on
utilization
and
we'll
take
our
experience
with
the
community
to
to
regulate
the
parking
to
best
support
the
aps
uses
and
the
community
uses
in
a
in
a
balanced
approach.
K
Great
and
then
last
question
on
this
is
basically
is,
is
about
the
assumptions
there's
a
12
referenced
and
a
75
percent
referenced
in
the
staff
report
and
I
I've
been
asking
you
these
questions.
It
may
be
for
APS
in
addition,
but
I
certainly
could
see
that,
because
there's
because
of
the
location
of
the
site
there
could
be
students
could,
could
you
know
public
transportation
could
be
heavily
used?
K
Do
you
do
we
don't
have
data
yet
to
know
what
the
right
quote,
conservative
or
more
liberal
estimate
of
how
much
students,
and
even
to
some
some
extent
it
would
seem
to
me
that
teachers,
you
know
I
used
to
bring
home
paper
that
was
20
years
ago,
so
some
teachers
may
be
able
to
to
more
easily
commute
using
the
bus,
and
the
question
is
sort
of
about
those
assumptions.
K
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
goes
into
those
assumptions
and
any
thoughts
regarding
you
know,
or
is
it
just
what
is
laid
out
in
the
staff
report
that
it
could
be
12
percent?
It
could
be
higher
and
it
could
be
low
or
high
with
respect
to
teachers,
in
addition
to
students.
W
So
what
we
presented
in
the
staff
report
was
the
conservative
estimate
for
parking
demand
and
conservative
in
this
case,
meaning
meaning
the
higher
parking
demand
and
that's
based
on
the
observed
mode
splits
today
that
so
the
existing
Transit
utilization
bike
bike
and
walk-in
uses.
So
if
the
TDM
or
the
the
driving
habits
of
users
go
down,
which
is
generally
a
trend
that
we
see
in
Arlington,
you
know
people
make
great
choices
and
have
great
services
to
choose
from.
W
So
that's
why
we've
recommended
the
the
garage
size
is
appropriate,
but
we
also
think
that
there
is
a
there's,
probably
good
chance,
that
that
APS
will,
over
the
life
of
the
the
site,
evaluate
who
can
utilize
the
garage
and
and
how
the
garage
is
utilized
and
that
that
may
allow
additional
student
use
and
I
do
also
want
to
point
out
that
student
parking
is
not
a
universal.
W
Let's
say
right
across
APS
facilities,
and
so
maybe
ABS
can
talk
about
how
they
provide
parking
for
students,
which
is,
is
the
the
group
of
users
that
is
going
to
rely
on
the
on-street
spaces.
Thank.
K
X
K
Thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
for
enunciating
the
conservative
assumptions
in
response
to
community
I'm
I,
don't
know
that
that
will
alleviate
all
concerns,
but
I
kind
of
feel
like
in
addition
to
putting
it
in
writing.
Saying
it
out
loud
in
this
context
is
helpful.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank.
A
You,
if
I,
can
continue
where
you
left
off
Mr,
Chambers
and
I
want
to
apologize,
because
I
couldn't
think
of
a
better
word
before
I
hope.
You
didn't
get
the
impression
that
I
was
calling
you
stupid,
so,
okay,
good.
That
was
not
my
intent.
So
the
question
here
is
about
parking,
an
APS
policy.
A
You
mentioned
the
heights,
which
is
good
analog
and
that
it's
a
choice
school,
but
not
perfect,
because,
as
I
understand
it
folks
go
to
the
heights
for
the
entirety
of
their
school
day,
so
they
can
be
effectively
dropped
in
transited
in
they
arrive
and
then
some
point
later
they
leave,
whereas
at
the
career
center
there
might
be
some
variability
there
with
people
making
some
midday
returns
to
their
home
school.
So
how
does
that
factor
into
whether
or
not
parking
should
be
looked
at
differently
at
this
site?.
X
Yeah
again
with
our
study,
we
did
look
at
all
of
that.
All
of
that
was
included
in
the
study
that
was
done
by
our
consultant
with
regard
to
that,
the
majority
of
the
students
I
think,
do
take
the
transportation,
the
yellow
buses
between
their
schools
and
in
the
career
center
for
the
the
CTE
programs.
X
M
You
Mr,
chair,
I,
believe
I
lost
the
the
battle
about
underground
parking
at
the
site
a
long
time
ago.
Wow
I'm
really
sorry
about
that,
because
I
think
that
this
is
the
minimum
that
we
could
ask
I
mean
we
do
that
with
all
commercial
buildings
and
I
still
don't
know
how
much
more
it
would
have
cost
to
do.
M
That
I
understand
it's
a
lot
more
expensive
right,
so
it
was
at
the
fleet
school
and
it
was
delivered
at
the
end,
but
nevertheless
to
assuage
a
little
bit
the
the
impression
that
there
is
that
we
have
we're
running
out
of
options
when
it
when
we
have
parking
pressure
on
the
side
there
there
is
parking
available
in
public
parking
spaces,
relatively
close
by
I
I,
literally
measured
the
walk
from
the
Penrose
Square
underground
parking
to
the
entrance
of
the
new
ACC,
and
it's
about
around
three
minutes
two
minutes
and
50
seconds
in
my
at
my
pace.
M
So
that's
and
in
the
past
I
know
that
APS
have,
you
know,
flexibly
contracted
some
satellite
space.
Would
this
still
be
a
possibility
here?
If
against
the
ropes.
X
Yeah,
our
our
experience
with
regard
to
leasing
space,
you
know,
for
instance,
at
the
heights.
We
still
actually
have
spaces
leased
for
staff
that
do
actually
walk,
basically
a
block.
So
we
we
do
have
that
option.
I
would
say
it's
not
universally
loved
by
our
staff
because
of
the
issues
of
bringing
things
to
school
and
dropping
things
off.
Picking
things
up,
it's
not
a
popular
option.
M
Foreign
well,
in
any
case,
for
me,
parking
isn't,
is
an
issue
I,
don't
like
personally
the
the
parking
structure,
but
the
most
important
thing
is
what
how
do
we
envision
incentivizing
students,
first
and
foremost,
I,
know
that
for
educators,
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
use
public
transportation,
that's
art,
buses,
and
one
thing:
that's
that
strikes
me
here
is
that
there
is.
We
seem
to
be
locating
a
a
bus.
Stop
I
mean
there
is
the
Columbia
Pike
bus
stops,
and
we.
M
This
is
a
long
discussion
about
how
pedestrian
friendly
is
the
access
to
the
career
center,
but
there
is
also
a
bus
stop
in
front
of
the
career
center.
Why
wouldn't
we
provide
a
design
solution
for
art
buses
to
actually
drive
into
the
campus
when
they
you
know
born
in
a
light.
I
think
this
is
a.
M
We
begin
to
learn
that
students
begin
to
use
the
art
bus
system
more
frequently
and
if
I
have
to
board
like
70
people,
even
if
it
was
only
70
people
I
would
we
would
need
to
schedule
two
services
at
you
know
the
times
that
have
to
be.
They
have
to
be
scheduled
and
it
would
be
great
to
actually
drive
into
the
campus,
and
you
know
a
board
and
a
light
student
safely
and
out
of
the
traffic
of
Walter
Reed.
Is
that?
M
X
I
think
that
the
I
write
cards
again.
We
we
noted
that
there
have
been
there's
80
cards
with
the
those
students
that
we
know
of
for
this
school
year
and
I
can
say,
facilities
and
operations
is,
is
handling
the
the
distribution
of
of
these
cards.
There
is
an
uptick
and
I
think
they're,
also
looking
at
other
options
that
Metro
may
be
part
of
it
down.
X
The
road,
Etc
I
think
students
may
find
it
to
be
a
better
option
than
the
yellow
school
bus
or
driving
or
riding
their
bike,
because
it
is
a
you
know,
county-wide
system,
so
and
as
far
as
the
future
of
of
a
bus
going
on
to
the
site
we're
already
having
buses
go
onto
the
site.
If
we
would
have
you
know
an
art
or
a
metro
bus
route
in
the
future,
it
can
be
handled.
So
that
is
a
possibility.
X
M
The
my
question
is
about
actual
incentivizing
by
by
actually
providing
the
design
for
that.
That
means
that
inviting
the
bus,
the
art
bus
to
stop
together
with
the
you
know
the
yellow
buses
and
and
and
offer
both
solutions
to
students
and
incentivize
them
to
use
the.
X
A
L
Very
quick
question,
which
was
I,
really
appreciate:
Mr
Gibson
you're
highlighting
the
Walter
Reed
complete
streets
project
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
meaningful
in
terms
of
creating
the
type
of
place
that
affords
the
types
of
transportation
we
were
just
talking
about
as
alternatives
to
cars
you
mentioned
it
was
in
90
design
I
could
have
sworn
construction
was
underway.
Can
you
tell
us
just
a
little
bit
about
the
status
of
that
there's?
There
is
construction
on
Wall
Street
drive
right
now.
It's
not
that
it's
a
different
project.
We.
W
Have
two
things
going
on:
okay
and
we've
sequenced
them
so
that
we
don't
rip
up
brand
new
things.
So
here
we
are
putting
in
a
new
12
inch.
Water,
Lane
water
main
in
in
South
Walter
Reed
Drive
is
replacing
almost
100
year
old
water
main.
That
is
there,
and
we
wanted
to
get
that
in
before
the
South
Walter
Reed
Drive,
complete
streets
project
rebuilt
the
roadway
and
completed
its
project
very.
L
W
So
I
don't
have
a
completion
date
for
you,
but
I
do
know
that
what
we're
doing
is
we're
working
with
APS
to
coordinate
the
work
in
Walter
Reed
such
that
the
two,
the
two
projects
don't
sort
of
start
to
fight
each
other
and
create
more
impact
for
motorists
and
Pat
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
in
that
area,
and
so
we're
we're
continuing
to
discuss
a
a
joint
project
with
APS
and
I.
Think
that
will
come
back
to
you
at
a
future
board
meeting
with
more
information.
Okay,.
M
M
X
Yeah
I
I
think.
The
one
thing
that
that
many
may
not
realize
is
that
the
standards
have
changed.
The
the
current
lead
version
has
changed
a
lot
of
the
requirements
and
it
was
not.
We
were
found
it
very
easy,
so
to
speak,
to
to
step
up
to
gold
with
the
new
requirements
and
changes
of
what
is
a
prerequisite
in
lead
have
been
replaced
by
more
difficult
requirements
and
or
standards.
X
So
we
are
looking
and
working
on
the
on
the
scorecard
at
this
point
in
time,
and
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
for
any
building
in
the
future
to
get
lead
gold
as
easily
as
it
was
in
the
past
because,
like
I,
said
a
lot
of
the
pre,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
used
as
points
are
now
prerequisites
that
you
have
to
do
anyway.
So
the
the
whole
schedule
has
modified.
X
So
that's
part
of
the
reason,
and-
and
you
know
we
are
looking
at
it
and
we
are
working
because
we
would
prefer
to
be
gold
rather
than
silver.
X
But
it's
it's
a
question
of
cost
I
think
when
APS
started
doing
Net
Zero
building,
so
our
whole
ultimate
goal
is
to
not
do
it
as
as
a
premium
at
a
premium,
we're
trying
to
do
it
for
the
cost
of
the
project
and
as
the
right
thing
to
do
as
part
of
the
project
within
the
cost
boundaries
that
we're
we
have
to
work
within,
not
an
additive
thing,
so
we
we're
trying
not
to
add
things
to
the
project
because,
quite
frankly,
we're
working
at
a
very
tight
budget.
X
If
you
recall
2022
had
a
22
percent
escalation
in
construction
costs,
but
yet
we're
still
on
on
budget
as
to
where
we
were
schematic
design
for
the
hard
cost
of
the
project.
So
we
have
been
doing
value
engineering
we've
been
working
through
things
as
we,
we
move
forward
to
make
sure
the
budget
the
project
stays
on
budget.
In
spite
of
the
economic
Times.
M
I
mean
Mr
Chambers,
if
I
compare
so
would,
for
example,
Alice
West
Fleet,
it
wouldn't
be
lead
gold.
Today,
I
mean
this
is
a
school
that
was
delivered
just
in
2021
or
19..
So
this
is
a
school
that
has
is
first
of
all
lead
goal
to
start
with
granted.
Maybe,
according
to
the
old
standard,
is
a
school
that
has
a
solar
a
for
a
voltage
roof.
It
has.
It
has
an
underground
parking
by
the
way,
which
is
an
expensive
item.
M
It
has
a
geothermal
heterothermal.
Wells
have
to
support
their
HVAC
is
fully
electrified.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
were
delivered
with
an
excellent
building.
I
mean
you
you,
you
received
awards
for
these
buildings
and
not
only
Alice
Fleet
Cardinal,
it's
even
more
recent
right
and
Discovery
I
I'm
not
going
even
so
far
back.
So
we
could
do
that
there
and
I
might
add
to
that.
Alice
Fleet
is
what
about
40
percent
of
the
square
footage
of
of
the
proposed
project
right
now.
M
It's
about
50
of
the
student
count
and
it
cost
per
square
foot.
What
560
some
something
like
that
yeah.
M
So
this
is
a
700
dollar,
more
or
less
per
square
foot
construction
cost
project.
This
is
an
expensive
project.
So
what
what
would
it
take
to
really
get
the
improvements
that
are
associated
with
lead
gold?
There
is
not
a
single
green
roof
on
the
building.
There
is
I
mean
the
the
issue
of
photovoltaic
is
kind
of.
You
know
future
delivery.
That
is
not
going
to
be
right
now.
So
what
would
it
take?
How
how
much
more
expensive
would
it
be?.
X
Again,
I
I
would
have
to
to
look
at
the
list
as
to
where
we
are
I.
Think
the
one
thing
that
I
noticed
noted
at
the
beginning
in
our
presentation
is
this
is
not
a
typical
building.
Our
eui
cannot
be
as
low
as
the
other
buildings
and
and
those
those
issues
it's
a
very
complicated
building.
With
regard
to
the
mechanical
systems.
We
are,
you
know
everybody.
Some
of
the
comments
have
made
that
were
not
being
Equitable.
We
are
doing
this
building
the
same
way.
We
do
all
of
our
buildings
as
far
as
mechanical
systems.
X
Etc.
The
only
thing
at
this
point
in
time
that
we
do
not
have
is
is
a
geothermal,
well
field,
because
we
can't
fit
that
into
our
into
the
to
the
site
and
maintain
the
programs
that
we
currently
have.
So
we
will
look
at
it
our
we
would
love
to
be
lead
gold
and
we'll
we'll
work
to
do
that
again,
you
can't
you
have
to
be
awarded
whatever
level
lead
will
provide
to
you.
You
work
on
the
scorecard
and
they
will
either
agree
that
you
have
achieved
it
or
you
have
it.
X
There
are
things
that
we're
doing
on
this
building
that
we
didn't
do
on
other
buildings,
because
we
have
to
get
these
points
but,
as
I
said,
it's
more
difficult
in
the
in
the
current
lead
standard
and
I.
Think
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
this
is
the
first
project
we
are
doing
under
the
new
lead
rating
system.
M
Discovery
has
a
parable
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
year,
so
there
are.
There
is
also
positive
side
and,
and
we
need
to
be
money-wise
accountable
for
the
operation
of
the
buildings
as
well
as
for
the
construction
costs
I.
We
somehow
I
feel
not
not
sufficiently
informed
about
these
trade-offs.
I
understand
that
these
are
not
easy
decisions,
but
we
need
somehow
numbers
to
to
to
understand
them
better.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
J
Thank
you
and
I
do
remember
my
time
on
the
school
board,
where
there's
also
a
set
budget,
and
you
find
it
and
you
gotta
fit
in
that.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
am
assuming
from
what
you
said,
which
I
thought
even
early
on
that
if
you
can
deconstruct
that
building
and
do
the
geothermal
Wells
that
you
actually
might
then
get
to
to
lead
gold.
If
you
can
make
a
geothermal
in
the
future,
does
it
work
to
get
Retro
Retro
labeled,
no.
X
J
Doesn't
do
that?
Okay
and
then
another
question
which
I
think
boils
down
to
cost
two
but
I'm,
not
the
someone
brought
up
the
question:
why
not
underground
utilities-
and
it
sounds
like
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
along
Walter
Reed
I
mean
have
we
thought
about
undergrounding
utilities,
I
assume
that's
too
expensive?
Maybe
you
work
it
out
with
a
county
yeah.
X
I
think
the
utilities
are
still
above
ground
on
on
7th
Street
and
Highland.
We
are
actually
putting
a
wider
grass
strip
on
Highland
so
that
they
can
be
undergrounded
in
in
the
future.
It's
a
significant
dollar
amount,
and
also
it's
a
legal
issue
with
regard
to
the
Transformers
would
have
to
go
on
to
private
property.
X
We
would
have
to
be
crossing
the
street
there's
a
lot
of
complexities
in
would
delay
the
project
as
well
as
ADD
significant
dollars
to
that
I
think
we
did
a
study
at
one
point
in
time
and
it
was
about
six
million
dollars
additional
to
the
project
plus
multiple
that
doesn't
include
the
legal
fees
and
the
yeah.
J
K
Okay,
Mr
G
ferranti.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
Miss
Garvey
for
the
vice
chair
Garvey,
for
the
points
on
underground
utilities.
Mr
Secrets
made
the
point.
Six
million
is
significant
investment
I
hope
we
can
get
there
in
the
next
phase.
That
was
talked
about.
I
I
want
to
just
see
if
I
can
get.
If,
if
there's,
if
it's
possible
to
understand
a
little
bit
a
couple
of
the
sustainability
related
pieces
in
the
Geo
thermal
analysis
that
was
done,
there
wasn't
a
cost
that
would
enable
all
the
buildings
to
continue.
K
X
Well,
essentially,
really
what
it
comes
down
to
is
is
we
have
no
place?
We
figured
out
how
many
Wells
would
be
needed
for
the
building
and
and
basically
it's
a
significant
amount
again
because
of
the
energy
requirements
of
this
particular
building
and
the
ventilation
requirements
for
auto
body,
animal
Sciences,
etc,
etc.
Have
huge
ventilation
requirements,
and
it
would
it
would
takes
a
lot
of
energy
to
do
that.
X
So
we
would
need
a
lot
of
of
wells,
and
essentially
it
does
make
sense
where
the
field
is
to
drill
Wells
there,
but
we
needed
more
than
that
and
currently
where
the
field
is
going,
is
currently
relocatables
that
houses
the
programs
and
we
would
have
to
relocate
the
program
spaces
which
we
had
no
place
to
relocate
them.
So
it
really
comes
down
to
site
Logistics
yeah.
X
In
addition,
you
know
the
cost
wasn't
really
necessarily
the
issue,
and
then
we
also
looked
at
multiple
different
systems
within
the
building
that
we
could
utilize
instead
of
geothermal,
and
we
settled
on
what
we
settled
on,
because
it
could
be
converted
in
the
future
and
it's
just
using
gas
for
auxiliary
heat
and
actually
the
majority
of
other
systems
we
looked
at
would
still
require
auxiliary
heat
and
gas,
probably
in
this
day
and
age
would
have
made
the
the
most
sense
to
be
that
auxiliary
heat.
X
K
That's
very
helpful
to
so
geothermal
ready
essentially
means
that
you
would
be
able
to
have
the
the
wells
in
the
place
that
has
not
yet
been
in
the
parts
where
the
mpsa
building
is
or
the
parts
that
have
not
yet
been
determined.
And
then
you
would
take
that
energy.
What
is
geothermal
ready
mean
in
this
case,
if
you're
able.
X
To
well
basically,
what
we've
done
is:
we've
created
a
loop,
that's
a
constant
temperature
Loop
and
that's
how
geothermal
systems
work.
So
we
have
the
heat
pumps
that
heat
the
actual
spaces
and
systems,
but
we
have
a
constant
temperature
loop
around
50
55
degrees,
whatever
that
that
takes
the
that
Loop
water
to
heat
pumps,
heat
pumps,
change
it
to
either
air
conditioning
or
Heating
and
put
the
water,
the
heat
or
cool
back
into
the
into
the
that
Loop
or
take
it
away.
X
So
a
lot
of
times
that
Loop
will
also
allow
us
to
you
know
an
outside.
Building
with
Southern
Exposure
in
the
middle
of
winter
will
be
actually
the
Southern
Exposure
will
be
actually
heating.
The
Northern
Exposure
rooms
with
that
Loop.
So
we're
hoping
that
that
only
during
extreme
times
do
you
need
supplemental
heat,
got.
K
It
and
just
one
more
on
the
sustain
this-
you
mentioned
the
programs,
the
the
car
program.
The
auto
program
is
one
example
and
that's
helpful.
That
level
of
detail
is
is
helpful.
There
I
know
there
are
some
other
programs
there's
culinary
right
and
I,
don't
know
whether
there's
still
animal
husbandry
or.
X
Animal
Sciences
there's
cosmetology
and
barbering.
They
also
require
a
lot
of
ventilation.
You
know,
there's
there's
multiple
systems
in
this
building
that
you
know:
carpentry
wood
shops,
electricity,
all
of
those
basically
industrial
spaces,
require
a
lot
more
than
a
typical
classroom.
Does
sure.
K
And
then
the
last
on
sustainability
is
solar.
You
mentioned
the
rooftops
are
flat,
but
there
are
other
things
on
the
rooftops.
I
think
HVAC
sometimes
goes
on
top.
Is
there
a
do?
You
have
any
sense
of
the
cost
or
how
you
would
assess
whether
you
would
add
solar
on
on
the
site
at
a
next
phase
or
later
time,
essentially.
X
What
we
typically
do
is
we've
been
doing
all
of
our
solar
since
Discovery
as
ppa's
power
purchasing
agreements-
and
you
know
we
would
look
at
this
site
with
someone
down
the
road
again.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
the
The
Exchange
works,
and
you
know,
dominions
on
board
and
all
of
those
types
of
things,
but
we
currently
are
are
just
finishing
TJ
and
Cardinals
Getting
It
Solar
that
direction
right
now,
but
on
this
campus
you
know
we
have
the
flat
spaces
on
the
building
that
we're
we're
building.
X
We
also
would
also
include
in
that
the
exit,
the
Legacy
ACC
building
would
also
is
basically
a
flat
roof,
but
we
don't
want
to
put
anything
up
there
until
we
do
those
Renovations
so
that
we
aren't
having
to
relocate
or
remove
solar
to
do
ventilation
that
may
be
required
with
the
modification
of
that
building
and
we're
not
doing
anything
on
the
garage
that
will
not
allow
a
structure
to
be
put
on
top
of
that
with
solar
panels
in
the
future.
K
Very
helpful,
it
seems
to
me,
as
though
from
afar
not
being
an
engineer.
Some
of
the
challenges
on
the
county
side
and
the
school
side
are
staff
capacity
to
do
ppas
when
everything
is
happening
rapidly.
I
could
be
incorrect
on
that,
but
count
me
as
someone
who's
if
the
cost
isn't
in
the
Solar,
it's
so
much
once
the
PPA
is
constructed
I'm
super
eager
to
see
if
we
can
help
with
that
capacity.
I
know
that
your
team,
a
good
team
that
works
on
solar,
just
that's
the
only
other
thought
on
sustainability.
A
Thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
move
us
on
sidewalks
with
just
a
comment
on
the
the
lead
program.
You
know
I
appreciate
the
push
pull
you
know
and
Mr
Chambers.
You,
you
know
said
something
which
can't
be
reiterated.
More
often,
the
lead
standards
of
today
quite
different
than
what
someone
may
have
earned
before
so
simply
looking
at
the
the
metal
value
classification
doesn't
tell
you
what
you
need
to
know.
A
It
never
did,
but
especially
now
with
the
fundamental
redesign
and
program
approach
and
then
I'll
just
note
that
you
know
globally
in
this
facility
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
scored
as
an
industrial
facility
or
not,
or
is
it
just
regular
commercial.
X
No,
it's,
it's
actually
will
be
scored
as
a
school.
Okay,
typically,
the
way
that
is,
and
and
just
quite
frankly,
I'm
I'm,
a
I'm,
a
lead,
certified
professional,
okay
and
essentially
lead
made
the
modification
and
change
because
they
said
there's
way
too
many
people
getting
platinum
and
right
too
many
people
getting
gold-
and
you
know
the
systems
and
and
the
buildings
are
not
exemplary,
like
they
used
to
be
when
it
first
started.
X
A
You
know
I
I
bring
that
up,
because
you
know
as
you've
described
this
facility
will
function
a
lot
more
like
an
industrial
facility
than
it
will
a
traditional
school,
and
in
that
sense
you
look
worldwide.
You
know.
Clearly,
the
the
majority
of
industrial
facilities
are
in
the
silver
range
granted.
Those
are
already
built
ones
so
under
previous
standards,
and
you
see
a
significant
drop
off
as
you.
You
move
above
that,
because
it
is
a
lot
more
challenging
now.
A
That
said,
with
the
aspirational
goal
of
getting
there
I'll
just
reiterate
that
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
a
priority
for
all
of
us
for
you
to
really
make
that
not
just
lip
service
to
actually
really.
You
know
scrub
under
the
hood
to
figure
out
what
is
possible,
because
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
just
is
a
reality,
even
though
technically
this
is
more
difficult.
When
Discovery
was
built,
we
love
touting
its
its
net
net
zero
Bona
fides.
A
We
love
talking
about
some
of
these
distinct
elements
of
some
of
our
schools,
and
you
know
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
That's
not
possible
here,
I
get
that,
but
if
we
can
make
sure
that
we
put
in
the
commensurate
extra
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
can
tell
those
same
stories
as
well,
it
would
be
most
appreciated.
A
W
And
we're
gonna
yeah
if
you
can
share,
thank
you,
and
so
what
will?
What
the
county
will
do
is
we'll
replace
the
existing
concrete
sidewalks
with
new
concrete
widen
them
from
from
four
feet
to
six
feet
in
some
locations,
we'll
use
a
flex
pave
to
ensure
that
the
root
zones
for
adjacent
trees
are
are
not
disrupted.
W
So
it's
for
us,
it's
a
relatively
straightforward,
almost
a
maintenance
type
repair
that
we're
doing
and
that's
why
we're
sort
of
the
county
is
taking
this
on,
because
it
we
feel
that
we
can
do
this
at
a
lower
cost
and
a
quicker
execution
than
than
APS,
so
we're
sort
of
partnering
with
them
to
deliver
these
improvements.
As
an
interim
Improvement,
okay,.
A
K
This
is
I'm
glad
you
mentioned.
The
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
tracking
right,
because
a
couple
of
of
of
residents
mentioned
this
had
had
these
questions
did
I
hear
you
right,
I
think
Mr
Gibson,
you
said
we're
getting
to
a
hundred
percent.
The
staff
report
describes
90,
but
over
the
last
few
days
you
finished,
and
so
whatever
that
slide
is
the
top
Corner.
We
committed
in
these
last
few
days
to
finish
that
the
blue,
essentially
is
that
do
I.
Have
that
right?
That's
exactly
correct!
K
Okay,
great,
when
there
is
a
Community
concern
that
is
not
in
the
staff
report,
but
we
can
we're
actually
addressing
it.
I
get
excited,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
is
progress
and
both
mindful
that
there
are
pieces
that
have
been
discussed.
That
APS
is
the
school
board's
direction
is
to
address
future
issues,
but
in
this
case
it's
also
we
are
owning
counties
owning
this
piece.
That
I
think
is
a
community
concern.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
that
and
I
appreciate
the
work.
M
So
just
a
a
it's,
a
minor
issue
I
just
wanted.
This
is
for
our
staff
lights
on
South
Wall
to
read:
are
you
know,
Cobra
lights,
you
know
kind
of
Highway
lights.
Do
we
at
all
plan
when
we
do
the
complete
Street
designed
to
maybe
change
them
to
just
you
know,
to
more
Civic
appearing
type
of
of
light
straight
line.
W
So
the
the
lights
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
will
remain
the
Cobra
style
lights
and
then
along
the
aps,
Frontage
with
the
aps
work
APS
is
going
to
put
in
the
new
the
standard,
Carlisle
style
lighting,
not
only
there,
but
also
on
the
other
locations
that
sidewalk
improvements
are
being
done
by
Abs.
If.
M
L
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
Dorsey
colleagues,
I'm,
going
to
move
that
we
approve
a
use
permit
for
the
Redevelopment
of
the
Arlington
career
center,
with
an
expanded
design
capacity
of
1619
students
for
an
above
grade
parking
structure
for
partial
demolition
of
the
existing
building.
A
synthetic
turf
field
play
area
improvements
associated
with
the
Montessori
Public
School
building,
which
has
a
design
capacity
of
488
students
and
streetscape
improvements,
all
with
necessary
modifications
to
the
zoning
ordinance
requirements
for
setback
height
and
parking
regulations,
all
subject
to
the
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
L
That
is
part
of
the
property
known
as
the
Arlington
career
center,
owned
by
the
Arlington
County
school
board
at
816,
South
Walter,
Reed
Drive,
with
conditions
I
further
move
that
we
authorized
the
real
estate
bureau,
chief
Department
of
Environmental
Services
or
his
design
need
to
execute
on
our
behalf,
the
deed
of
vacation
and
to
accept
any
deed
of
easement
related
to
the
vacation.
Subject.
To
approval
by
form,
as
formed
by
our
County
attorney,
is.
L
I
would
and
I
will
maybe
just
get
some
concluding
comments
at
this
point
too.
I
have
been
involved
in
this
project
for
a
very
long
time,
beginning
in
those
conversations
in
2017
when
the
school
board
first
approved,
the
additional
secondary
seats
at
this
site
was
involved
with
kicking
off
the
working
group
back
in
January
of
2018..
L
L
I
think
what
was
helpful
in
that
process
was
the
solution
of
phasing
I.
Think
that
was
important
for
two
reasons:
one
it
allowed
for
all
of
the
uses
to
stay
on
site
without
short-changing
open
space
in
the
final
condition,
and
that
was
such
a
worry
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
accommodate
everything
that
needed
to
go
there
as
a
community
and
have
the
types
of
recreational
facilities
that
are
that
our
students
in
the
broader
Community
deserve.
L
Phasing
also
meant
that
that
the
community
group
could
start
to
Envision
a
purpose-built,
Arlington
Community,
there's
gonna
be
a
a
purpose-built
Arlington
career
center.
That
would
reflect
not
just
the
literal
aspects,
but
really
reflect
the
dynamic
and
Innovative
pedagogy
that
was
happening
inside
of
this
building
and
I
do
think
it's
important
to
note.
Generally,
it
was
good
reason.
It
is
not
the
focus
of
this
board
to
look
at
the
interior
of
the
building.
L
This
is
what
our
blpc
advises
our
school
board
on,
but
I
can
tell
you
from
having
been
part
of
that
working
group
and
those
conversations
that
it
was
no
foregone
conclusion
that
that
would
be
an
acceptable
program
for
the
students
who
are
there.
L
So
I
think
that
phasing
was
an
important
innovation,
but
I
do
think
the
downside
has
been
what
is
challenging
here,
which
is
fear,
concern
lack
of
certainty
that
this
project
will
deliver
its
final
condition.
I
certainly
am
regretful
that
it
that
the
phasing
is
such
that
the
field
will
not
be
delivered
until
after
the
other
two
buildings
are
built,
but
I
do
think.
L
We
have
really
sought
to
tease
out
some
more
certainty
and
more
confidence
that
that
is
the
direction
that
all
are
hitting,
and
so
aside
from
some
specific
concerns,
I
mean
there
is.
You
know
there
are
many
disagreement
about
the
height
of
the
fencing.
There
was
understandable
disappointment.
You
know
articulated
about
lack
of
underground
utilities.
L
That
is
what
is
continued
on
this
site
when
that
working
group
that
was
supposed
to
advise
on
a
project
that
would
be
built
by
2022.
That
was
the
the
conditions
that
stayed
there
through
those
four
years
of
the
conditions
that
are
there
now
I
am
I'm,
not
unmindful.
That
four
years
also
represents
the
entirety
of
a
student's,
secondary
academic
experience
and
I
do
think
it
is
important
for
us
to
move
forward
to
be
clear.
L
You
know,
what's
better
than
there
now
what's
better
than
what's
there
now
is
not
an
appropriate
design
standard,
it's
not
our
standard
for
commercial
projects,
especially
not
for
public
facilities
but
I.
Think
again,
the
cost
of
the
pursuit
of
a
delay
in
pursuit
of
a
more
perfect
project
are
so
high
and
and
I.
L
I
think
that
the
project
that
has
been
brought
before
us,
though
not
perfect,
is
one
that,
when
delivered
in
its
full
vision,
which
again,
we've
really
talked
today
about
developing
confidence
that
it
will
be,
is
going
to
be
indeed
a
spectacular
addition
to
an
area
that
I
think
of
as
again.
My
broader
neighborhood
is
a
Douglas
Parker
and
perhaps,
most
importantly,
a
home
befitting
of
the
incredible
education
that's
happening
within
it.
So
thank
you.
K
Defranti,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
I
was
just
thinking
through
and
preparing
for
consideration
at
this
item.
K
They're
really
two
concerns
stood
out
to
me
and
one
was
the
questions
regarding
the
Montessori
and
the
open
and
open
space
which
Miss
Webb,
articulated
and
I
hear
that
listing
things
is
not
the
same
as
promising
to
do
things,
but
I
do
associate
myself
I
think
the
Mr
Dorsey
articulated
an
expectation
which
I
think
is
important
and
that
expectation
I
just
want
to
that's,
not
a
guarantee,
but
it
is
an
expectation
that
we
address
them
on
the
open
space
issues
with
the
community
and
the
Montessori
School
and
that's
in
school
board
policy.
K
The
other
big
issue
that
Rose
to
the
top
Miss
McIntyre
described
and
I
am
not
a
lead
professional
I.
There's
the
U.S
Green
Building
Council,
which
does
a
bunch
of
schools
which
are
a
big
deal
and
and
getting
a
high
ratings
from
that
group
for
schools
is
key.
K
I
tried
to
ask
some
questions
on
geothermal
and
solar
to
tease
that
out,
I
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
I
will
be
seeking
to
align
myself
with
those
who
ask.
We
have
a
community
energy
plan
and
I
think
it's
reasonable
that
schools
does
not
I
do
think.
It's
critical
that
we
partner
with
APS
Advocates
and
APS
to
build
on
the
success
of
not
only
Discovery
but
also
Alice,
Fleet
and
so
I
didn't
think
that
in
if
we
delayed
for
one
month,
we
could
get
to
a
different
place
on
the
environmental
issues.
K
So
that's
what
leads
me
to
want
to
go
forward.
I
will
say
that
Miss
Bartlett
I
am
eager
for
the
news
of
the
past
week
to
get
the
Community
High
School
I,
respect
your
years
of
service
teaching
and
very
mindful
that
the
green
space
does
need
to
be
shared
with
the
environment.
K
I
I
agree
with
the
four
feet:
if
possible,
I'm
also
never
been
a
principal
and
respected
my
principal.
So
if
we
can't
get
to
four,
maybe
we
can
get
to
five.
It
certainly
doesn't
seem
as
though
it
feels
like
there
ought
to
be
either
a
compromise.
That's
reachable
there
and
then
I'd
finish
by
just
saying,
I
think
Miss,
Crystal
and
referencing
your
work
Mr
Black
over
years.
K
It's
been
a
long
time
since
I
worked
most
closely
with
you,
but
we
can't
we
have
to
keep
working
to
make
designs
strong
and
and
meet
the
excellent
standard
that
one
of
our
other
speakers
said.
Arlington
is
known
for,
but
we
also
can't
quite
let
the
perfect
in
planning
be
the
enemy
of
the
very,
very
good
and
I
would
say
what
will
be
excellent
and
you've
articulated
that
Mr
Blackwell
happy
to
support
this
thanks.
M
You
Mr
chair,
so
it
is
often
said
that
the
perfect
is
the
enemy
of
the
good
I
understand
that
I
was
a
member
of
the
working
group
as
a
civilian
right
on
the
other
side
of
this,
and
therefore
I
want
to
start
with
thanking
Mr
Black
and
everybody
who
worked
on
that
to
get
it
to
a
good
place,
regardless
of
the
reservations
not
only
I
have
and
they're
serious
reservations
and
I
I
mean
somebody
mentioned
here.
M
It
was
promised
the
jewel
of
Columbia
Pike,
because
it
was
understood
that
this
is
not
only
a
school.
It's
the
school,
it's
the
public
asset
is
a
public
building
and
by
the
way,
part
of
the
deliverables.
The
Equitable
deliverables
of
the
career
center
is
educating
a
students
for
this
century,
literally
walking
in
and
say
the
school
is
the
educational
program
by
itself
and
I'm.
M
Sorry,
but
phenolic
panels
are
not
part
of
this
vision
and
I'm
not
going
to
to
comment
on
the
design
at
all,
neither
on
the
urbanism
of
the
school
and
another
on
the
very
important
issue
of
how
this
works
with
what
we,
with
a
vision
for
Columbia
Pike
but
I
will
stuck
and
I
I
got
stuck
many
times
in
many
issues.
Parking
was
one,
the
the
other
is
the
environmental
standards
of
the
building.
M
I
do
think
that
at
the
very
beginning,
and
during
many
conversations,
I
was
feeling
that
our
partners
in
APS
had
a
strong
vision
for
this
building,
a
vision
of
excellence
and
the
vision
Excellence
that
extended
and
specifically
wanted
you
know,
was
seeking
the
Excellence
of
an
environmental
building
at
the
legal
standard
or
above
and
I
do
believe
that
at
this
moment
the
The
Proposal
is
weak
on
that
I
do
think
that
we
are
capable
of
doing
that.
M
We
are
capable
of
doing
again
what
we,
what
we
accomplished
at
the
fleet
school,
which
is
close
to
me
and
I
visit
very
often,
and
it
is
an
excellent
delivery.
I
mean
I
believe
these
are
your
words
Mr
Chambers,
as
you
said
that
it's
not
that's
more
expensive.
If
we
do
it
smartly,
something
like
that,
we
can
actually
accomplish
that.
You
you.
M
You
said
that
and
I
remember
how
the
teachers
and
and
Fleet
are
still
saying
that
they're
they're,
saying
that
the
the
they
do
field
trips
inside
the
school,
to
show
how
important
climate
change
is
and
and
to
build
an
entire
educational
program.
On
that
we
will
be
educating
there.
The
future
generations
of
the
I
want,
even
only
if
I
start
to
think
what
what
capacity
there
is
in
Arlington
Tech
and
how
worthy
it
is
to
sign
off
on
180
million
dollars,
the
most
expensive
project
that
AP
has
ever
brought
before
the
Arlington's
taxpayers.
M
I
I,
cannot
and
and
claim
conscience
say
that
we
would
sign
off
now
to
this
without
having
the
Assurance
of
lead
gold
at
the
very
least
without
having
the
Assurance
on
a
net
zero
building,
because
this
is
the
highest
standard
that
I
think
we
should
be
applying
to
public
buildings,
and
we
should,
you
know,
hold
ourselves
accountable
to
that.
We
we
approved
buildings
that
we're
not
up
to
the
standard.
M
I
am
I'm
I
I
plead
guilty
as
charged
on
this
in
some
in
some
instances,
not
at
all
I
tried,
always
to
get
the
best
out
of
that.
So
I
will
be
in
the
minority
in
this
and
I'm
not
going
to
support
that,
but
not
because
I
don't
support
the
career
center.
I
just
want
to
put
a
stake
in
the
ground
and
say:
I
I
try
to
convey
the
voice
of
those
who
are
asking
APS
to
bring
more
complete
projects.
That
answer
the
questions
that
how
how
much
will
it
cost?
How
much?
M
How
much
more
difficult
is
it
to
really
get
the
buildings
that
we
all
say
we
want
to
have
what
are
the
real
trade-offs?
Why
is
it
absolutely
impossible
to
find
the
21st
century
solution
to
our
parking
program?
We
have
to
build
a
70s
parking
structured
parking
there.
That
also
doesn't
look
great,
so
I
think
this
is.
This
is
the
point
I
want
to
make
with
my
vote
today.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
Well,
Mr,
Chambers
and
Mr
Stricker
I
think
you've
been
around
as
long
as
I
have
Mr
it's
great
to
have
you
here
and
I
I'm
reminded
how
it
and
I
may
actually
even
address
a
few
of
your
comments.
Mr
Karen
Thomas
how
different
schools
are
because
you're
you
have
to
build
this,
but
you
got
to
keep
the
program
running.
I
mean
you're,
literally
building
the
plane,
while
you're
flying
it
and
I.
J
Remember
just
really
tricky
building
with
having
the
buildings,
like
you
know,
centimeter
or
half
apart,
so
that
they
could
knock
down
a
wall
and
keep
it
all
going
while
the
construction
is
going
on.
While
the
transition
happens,
it's
really
tricky
so
that
you,
you
have
a
whole
lot
more
to
deal
with
than
most
applicants
that
come
before
us
and
then,
of
course,
your
goal
is
not
to
make
money
you're
trying
to
save
the
taxpayer
money
and
provide
a
good
educational
background.
J
So
there
are
a
whole
lot
of
different
challenges
that
sometimes
I
think
we
can
forget
a
little
bit
so
I
really
appreciate
that.
J
I
would
like
to
say
a
couple
of
things
on
a
few
of
the
points:
I
think
on
the
fence:
I'm
I'm,
okay,
with
the
bigger
fence,
I,
think
I'm,
just
going
to
be
different
from
my
you
know,
and
you're
going
to
decide
on
your
own
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
the
fence
is
really
that
big,
an
issue,
and
that's
not
our
on
us
to
do
anyway
on
the
parking
and
all
of
the
issues
with
Transportation
I'm
sort
of
reminded
how
much
that's
on
us
to
be
providing
good
Transportation.
J
As
you
were
saying,
you
don't
control
the
art
Fleet
and
we
are
working
much
better
together
and
a
compliments
to
our
staff,
because
I
think
a
lot
has
really
been
done.
It's
always
nice
to
hear
that
we're
going
to
do
Walter,
Reed,
Drive
and
coordinate
so
that
we
don't
tear
up
the
new
stuff.
That's
really
good,
it's
basic
but
surprising.
How
much
that
doesn't
get
done
so
much
so
I
think
everybody's
working
together
better
than
I
remember,
which
is
great
and
Mr
Black
I
see
you
back
there.
J
It's
nice
to
see
you
again
too.
This
is
my
favorite
program.
The
career
center
actually
too
my
my
daughter
kind
of
saved
her
for
a
while
in
school,
because
she
just
loved,
going
and
playing
having
the
animals
there
I
mean
it
really
makes
a
difference
for
a
number
of
students
which
is
great
Miss,
Crystal
I
know
that
it
seems
to
have
gone
for
a
long
time,
but
I
think
I
looked
at
two
plans
for
the
career
center.
When
I
was
on
the
school
board,
it
was
really
a
long
time
ago.
J
I
may
even
be
able
to
pull
them
out
so
we're
finally
getting
there,
and
it's
been
a
long
time.
I'm
delighted
that
we're
here,
the
one
thing
that
I
think
is
actually
more
again
on
us
is
the
issue
of
making
sure
that
building
gets
deconstructed
and
we
we
work
with
our
school
board.
J
Colleagues,
on
that
and
I'll
talk
with
my
colleagues-
maybe
even
move
on
at
some
point
when
we're
talking
about
anything
even
official
between
us
and
the
school
board
on
the
on
the
CIP
coming
up
that
we
expect
to
see
something
in
there,
but
that's
that's
on
on
our
level.
That's
not
I!
Don't
expect
you
to
be
giving
direction
to
your
school
board,
so
I
think
that's
it
it's
just
it's.
This
is
just
really
an
exciting
program.
J
A
You
thank
you
so
I
will
just
say
for
my
my
own
piece
I
will
support
the
motion
and
there
are
a
couple
things
that
inform
that
you
know
one.
This
project
is
always
going
to
be
difficult,
given
the
multiple
competing
priorities
and
Visions
for
the
site,
and
so
consensus
was
always
going
to
be
difficult.
A
Add
to
that
delivering
any
kind
of
program
because
of
the
complexities
that
Ms
Garvey
mentioned
in
terms
of
needing
to
do
this
in
phases,
while
maintaining
a
level
of
current
operations
is
somewhat
unique
in
what
you've
been
been
doing
in
the
recent
past
in
Arlington,
and
then
that's
been
compounded
by
the
reality
that
dollars
don't
stretch
as
far
whether
it's
inflation,
whether
it
is
higher
cost
of
Standards.
These
are
all
realities
that
we
have
to
deal
with
with
this
project,
and
so
you
know
we
can
all
sort
of
lament
and
perseverate
about
them.
A
You
actually
have
to
deliver
a
project
that
is
mindful
of
all
of
them
and
in
that
sense,
I
think
there
is
for
me
no,
no
fair,
no
fair
evaluation,
other
other
than
I
think
that
you've
done
about
as
well
as
you
can,
and
that
doesn't
mean
it's
perfect.
It
doesn't
mean
that
there's
some
things
that
I
wouldn't
like
to
see
different,
but
when
I
think
about
how
to
maybe
explore
those
whether
a
delay
of
a
month
I,
don't
know
how
I
can
make
any
kind
of
a
contribution
to
that
effort.
A
That
would
in
any
way
do
anything
differently
than
dishonor
the
time
that
people
like
Mr,
Black
and
others
in
the
community
have
spent
providing
constructive,
deliberative
feedback.
A
couple
of
other
things
that
I'll
mention
in
terms
of
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
from
the
community
again
I,
you
know
I
know
a
fence
seems
like
an
insignificant
issue,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
smart
here.
If
that's
something
that's
been
identified,
that
can
take
a
lot
of
these
competing
priorities
and
Visions
for
this
site
and
make
people
feel
better
about
it.
A
I
would
very
much
encourage
APS
to
explore
making
that
happen,
especially
given
the
lack
of
consistency
with
the
way
in
which
fence
exercise
has
been
treated
throughout
the
district.
It
seems
like
not
a
great
place
to
dig
a
Line
in
the
Sand
when
we
know
that
the
community
would
Embrace
a
change,
and
you
know
then
there's
generally
been
I
won't
speak
to
every
other
concern.
A
That's
been
mentioned,
but
just
to
highlight
a
couple
appreciate
that
there
have
been
many
in
the
community
who
have
called
for
us
to
find
a
way
to
condition
the
condition
that
we
expect
to
be
seen
in
the
future.
With
the
adopted
policy
that's
in
place
and
having
us
put
that
in
the
use
permit.
We
haven't
really
explored
that
here
very
much,
but
I
would
like
to
say
at
least
from
my
prospective
colleagues.
A
Unless
we
significantly
delayed
the
opening
of
the
career
center
facility,
which
I
don't
believe
anyone
has
asked
for
so
I
have
been
racking
my
brain
to
figure
out
what
is
the
governance
model
to
give
the
community
what
I
think
they
absolutely
deserve,
and
that
is
to
see
a
final
condition
that
reflects
adopted
policy
and
I
appreciate
that
they
are
not
willing
to
say
well,
we'll
trust
that
adopted
policy
will
be
pursued.
A
I
didn't
come
up
with
anything
magical,
but
that's
why
I
did
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
at
this
hearing
surfacing
for
surfacing
for
the
record.
What
the
adopted
policy
of
the
school
board
is,
then
you
know
there's
also
a
role
we
play
in
that
adopted.
Policy
of
the
county
is
reflected
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
A
You
know
this
is
an
s3a
site
which,
for
the
purposes
of
those
who
are
not
familiar
with
it,
one
of
the
express
purposes
of
this
zoning
district
is
to
retain
active
and
passive
Recreation
operative,
word
being
retained
and
then
there's
another
part
of
the
provision
for
s3a
which
talks
about
its
use
standards
and
that
calls
for
any
modifications
of
dimensional
standards,
of
which
this
use
permit,
seeks
to
do
with
height
modifications
that
it
be
at
least
as
it
relates
to
school
development
balance
with
opportunities
for
providing
open
space
and
recreational
amenities
within
the
school
development
project
in
a
manner
appropriate
blah
blah
blah
the
point
being.
A
None
of
our
none
of
our
absolute
purposes
for
this
District
being
available
to
schools
for
seeking
this
use
permit
Can
it
can
can
be
realized
if
they
keep
the
Montessori
building
operating
as
it
is
right
now.
So
if
they
decide
to
do
that,
this
board
is
going
to
you
know:
County
Board
County
government
is
going
to
have
a
real
issue,
reconciling
the
application
of
this
site
with
the
zoning
District
that
it
is,
it
is
utilizing,
and
so
hopefully,
for
the
community.
A
A
Hopefully
that
has
lots
of
open
space
and
Community
amenities,
and
that's
when
we'll
see
that
that
portion
of
the
site
is
undergrounded,
but
the
sidewalks,
leaving
that
in
some
sort
of
a
uneven
below
County
standard
condition,
even
if
for
a
short
period
of
time,
would
have
been
unacceptable.
In
my
opinion,
so
I
appreciate
the
work
of
staff
to
really
get
to
a
place
where
we
could
provide
a
whole
block
experience
that
arlingtonians
do
expect
from
Redevelopment
whether
it
comes
in
North,
Arlington,
Pentagon,
City
or
Columbia
Pike,
and
then
beyond
that
again
the
dollars.
A
That's
not
the
way.
I
look
at
Equity
again
for
the
reasons
that
we've
talked
about
before
I'm,
more
interested
in
in
what
you're
delivering
and
when
it
comes
to
the
environmental
program
and
everything
else
I
do
think
you're
doing
the
best
that
you
can
given
the
circumstances
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
feel
the
encouragement
that
we
have
for
you
to
see
if
you
can
go
even
even
further
and
I
see.
No
other
call
for
comments.
A
A
Everyone!
We're
gonna
need
to
take
a
little
break,
so
that
board
can
just
recollect
ourselves
and
position
for
our
last
two
items
of
the
day.
So
we'll
convene
back
here
promptly
at
two
o'clock.
Thank
you.
G
Z
Z
O
Okay,
good
afternoon
board
pulling
up
my
screen
here:
I'm
Courtney
Badger,
with
the
planning
division
here
to
give
a
staff
presentation
for
the
Virginia
Hospital
Center
item.
O
This
item
is
the
site
plan
Amendment
related
to
the
timing
of
the
delivery
of
a
required
outpatient,
behavioral
health
program.
That's
conditioned
in
site
plan
condition
number
66f
for
some
context.
In
November
2018,
the
County
board
approved
a
site
plan
Amendment
for
the
outpatient,
Pavilion
and
parking
garage
associated
with
the
VHC
hospital.
That's
currently
under
construction
today
condition
66f
of
that
approval
required
VHC
to
provide
one
new
intensive,
outpatient,
behavioral
health
program
within
Arlington
County.
O
The
program
is
required
to
be
provided
prior
to
the
first
certificate
of
occupancy
for
the
outpatient
Pavilion
The
Proposal
before
you
today
is
to
amend
that
condition.
The
proposed
new
condition
would
instead
require
two
new
outpatient,
behavioral
health
programs.
More
than
the
one
that
was
committed
before
the
two
programs
will
consist
of
one
adolescent
program
and
one
adult
program.
The
Adolescent
program
is
anticipated
to
be
located
at
the
Pediatric
Center
on
Columbia
Pike,
and
the
adult
program
is
anticipated
to
be
located
at
the
VHC
main
campus.
O
We've
also
included
several
Milestone
checkpoints
in
this
condition
as
well.
All
licensing
materials
that
are
required
to
be
submitted
to
the
state
are
required
to
be
submitted
prior
to
the
fifth
floor.
Certificate
of
occupancy,
which
is
anticipated
December
of
this
year
or
January
2024.
in
a
copy
of
those
materials,
is
required
to
be
provided
to
the
county
manager's
office.
O
The
graphic
on
the
screen
here
shows
the
existing
conditions.
The
changes
with
the
proposed
amendment
before
you
and
the
future
conditions
with
the
new
facility
at
the
601
South
Carlin
Springs
Road
I,
just
want
to
highlight
a
few
items.
The
proposed
condition-
that's
before
you
stay,
will
not
affect
the
existing
or
approved
beds.
The
18
existing
adult
Behavioral
Health
beds
and
the
17
existing
recovery
and
wellness
beds
will
not
be
changed.
The
Proposal
will
also
not
change
what
has
been
announced
with
regards
to
the
new
facility
at
601
South
Carlin
Springs.
O
That
facility
will
go
through
its
own
site
plan
review
process
and
have
its
own
set
of
conditions
that
we'll
begin
working
on
when
we
receive
an
application.
The
Proposal
also
does
not
change
any
other
conditions
of
the
site
plan
at
the
VHC
main
campus
staff
recommends
adopting
the
attached
ordinance
to
approve
the
modifications
to
condition
number
66f
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
A
A
K
Yes,
Mr
chair,
so
I'll
move
the
county
manager's
recommendation
that
we
adopt
the
ordinance
attached
to
the
staff
report
to
approve
a
site
plan
amendment
to
modify
condition,
66
related
to
delivery
of
Behavioral
Health
Services
by
Virginia,
Hospital
Center,
subject
to
all
previously
approved
conditions
and
revised
condition
66,
as
approved
in
the
site
plan.
Amendment
ordinance.
K
Briefly,
the
the
the
changes
to
condition
66
will
add
a
dish,
an
additional
program
that
would
be
required,
and
it
also
includes
a
timing
aspect
to
the
fifth
and
sixth
floor
as
Miss
Badger
indicated
and
I
think
that
will
that
is
important.
It's
also.
K
There
has
been
some
consultation
as
I
understand
from
staff
with
a
stakeholder
group
VHC
stakeholder
Group,
which
I
see
is
critical,
and
this
that's.
Why
I'm
happy
to
move
this
specific
motion
forward?
Thank.
A
You
any
other
comments
on
this
colleagues.
Allah
apologize
to
you
all.
This
was
originally
intended
to
be
on
our
consent
agenda,
but
given
that
there's
a
lot
of
community
conversation
about
this
is
a
priority
for
us.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
an
opportunity
to
at
least
have
this
educational
presentation
for
the
public,
so
they
would
understand
what
services
and
Facilities
would
be
made
available
and
impacted
by
this
action.
And
of
course,
as
you
all
know,
upcoming
this
week,
we
do
have
some
public
ribbon
cuttings
for
the
outpatient
Pavilion
at
VHC.
J
I
am
too,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
actually
making
the
presentation
after
what
hasn't
been
changed,
because
I
think
this
is
a
fraught
area,
we
really
are
finally
making
some
progress,
and
this
is
is
good
to
see
that
we're
going
to
have
the
ribbon
cutting
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
and
we're
just
going
to
keep
moving
forward
as
fast
as
as
we
can
on
these
facilities.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
our
agent
for
that
I
think
slide.
Number
five
tells
the
entire
story.
This
is
a
very,
very
important
thing.
I
I,
really
the
fact
that
we
didn't
get
to
have
the
outpatient
program
going
I
mean
we.
We
needed
that
a
little
bit
earlier.
This
has
a
cost,
I
mean
this
has
cost.
N
M
Costs
in
you
know
in
a
sense
you
know
human
suffering
as
well
so
I,
I'm,
very,
very
heartened
to
see
that
we
are
getting
to
a
place
where
we
will
have
these
programs
and
and
then
some
which
is
really
very
laudable.
Thank
you.
L
Much
Mr,
chair
and
I
also
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
have
the
conversation
with
staff,
as
well
as
their
dedicated
work
with
the
applicant
here
at
Virginia,
Hospital
Center
and
just
really
wanted
to
underscore
I
think.
Maybe
the
main
thrust
of
of
this
conversation
is
that
there
there
are
going
to
be
these
Services
delivered
prior
to
the
opening
of
the
Carlin
spring
site.
I
think
that's
just
really
can't
be
said
enough.
I
know
that
was
a
real
concern.
L
I
think
there's
obviously
a
great
deal
of
support
among
community
members,
particularly
those
whose
lives
have
been
touched
by
crises
and
Behavioral
Health
for
themselves
or
their
loved
ones.
There's
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
about
the
idea
of
a
much
larger
and
sort
of
purpose-built
program
than
the
one
that
was
originally
even
conceived
of
during
those
Virginia
Hospital
Center
negotiations,
but,
of
course,
some
trepidation
about
not
being
clear.
You
know
when
that
site
May
deliver.
So
the
fact
that
there
are
there
is
going
to
be
these
interim
programs.
L
I
think
is
so
important,
both
because
of
our
community
needs
and
I
know.
That
also
gives
time
to
VHC
for
Staffing
up.
We
know
hiring
is,
of
course
a
huge
challenge
in
this
field
right
now,
and
so
I'm
so
glad
that
these
services
will
be
provided
in
the
interim
and
I.
Imagine
will
be
stronger
in
their
ultimate
form
for
having
had
this
time
in
between.
L
So
thank
you
to
staff
and
to
the
applicant
for
working
out
that
that
vision
of
the
interim
condition
and
I
am
very
pleased
to
support
this
motion.
A
Terrific
all
right
now
I'm
ready
to
move
to
a
vote
on
Mr
deferanti's
motion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye!
Are
there
any
opposed?
You
guys
have
it
five
zero
and
thank
you
very
much
Ms
Badger
Ms
Unger,
Ms
Jacobs.
Will
you
please
call
our
next
item
item.
I
AH
Thank
you,
so,
every
once,
every
four
years
the
board
has
the
opportunity
to
reset
their
salary
cap.
So
this
is
the
year
we
use
the
same
methodology
as
four
years
ago.
It's
the
area,
median
income
for
an
individual
escalated
at
three
percent
annually
through
2027.
AH
There
is
a
five
thousand
dollar
addition
to
the
base
for
the
chair
to
recognize
additional
duties
and
additional
duties.
So
the
proposal
ends
up
being
119
833
for
board
member
and
125
460
for
the
chair.
This
proposal
has
no
physical
impacts
and
supports
only
increasing
the
salary
cap
and
not
their
actual
salaries.
The
county
manager
recommends
approval
any
questions.
A
A
J
A
J
Sure,
just
briefly,
I'm
actually
delighted
that
there's
really
nobody
here.
This
really
should
be
something
we
could
almost
put
on
consent
and
I.
Think
I
came
on
the
board
at
a
time
when
everybody
was
really
concerned
about
raising
board
salaries
and
recently
I
think
folks
have
started
to
realize
that
there
ought
to
be
at
least
some
modicum
of
remuneration
for
the
board
work
to
that
can
attract
people
that
can
afford
to
to
do
these
jobs
and
I.
Think
being
at
the
Ami
for
a
single
person
is
a
close
approximation.
J
I
actually
think
in
the
future.
We
may
look
at
it
a
little
more
and
perhaps
that
five
thousand
dollar
difference
per
year
for
the
chair,
I,
don't
know
about
you,
Mr,
chair,
but
I,
think
it's
a
lot
more
work,
and
that
may
be
something
that
this
the
board
may
want
to
look
at
in
the
future.
J
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Garvey,
Mr
deferanti,
just.
K
One
question
and
I:
don't
know:
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
question.
Truly,
it's
with
respect
to
Loudon
and
Prince
William.
We
have
a
process.
I
know
that
I've
looked
at
it.
State
code
requires
us
to
act
right
now
before
July
1st
and
the
year
where
two
board
members
are
up
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
colleagues
or
or
staff
might
know.
K
If
there's
I
know
that
Fairfax
is
considering
increasing
their
cap
level,
I
don't
know
about
Louden
and
Prince
William
and
I.
Just
thought.
I'd.
Ask
that
question
to
see
if
by
chance,
Miss
Galliano,
you
know
or
colleagues.
AH
I
can
answer
that
so
Fairfax
has
already
increased.
Both
our
cap
and
actual
salary
Louden
also
increased
their
cap,
and
it's
similar
to
us
where
it
will
go
into
effect
in
January,
either
the
new
salary
and
the
cap,
and
then
Prince
William
has
not
yet
that
I
don't
know.
We've
been
unable
to
figure
out
if
they
are,
but
they
have
not
yet
so
got.
K
N
K
L
So
I
am
prepared
to
vote
for
this
Bears,
repeating
that
this
is
not
a
vote
to
raise
County
Board
salaries.
Those
conversations
come
as
part
of
the
budget
discussions
which
allow
us
to
talk
about
everyone's
salaries
throughout
the
county
government
at
the
same
time,
but
rather
to
give
future
boards
the
flexibility
to
raise
the
salaries
beyond
the
current
cap.
L
I
wanted
to
maybe
just
sort
of
note,
I
guess
by
way
of
parting
wisdom,
I'm
really
glad
to
see
salaries
get
closer
to
you
know,
sort
of
what
what
is
standard
right.
We've
talked
a
lot
about,
the
100
am
I,
Benchmark
and
I
I
think
that's
right
and
as
it
should
be,
and
that
Benchmark
has
been
one
that
holds
a
lot
of
appeal
for
me.
L
I
think
the
the
word
of
wisdom
that
I
might
just
note
here
is
I
think
the
importance
of
really
being
mindful
of
what
Benchmark
we're
using
or
what
measure
we're
using
I'm
cognizant,
for
example,
that
the
cap
now
would
allow
for
salaries
in
excess
of
100
Mi
for
an
individual.
So
that
may
be
a
conversation
that
the
board
wants
to
have.
L
Is
that
still
the
right
number
or
not
I
I,
admit
feeling
some
discomfort,
knowing
you
know,
even
within
our
current
cap,
if
we
were
to
reach
the
top
of
it,
you'd
start
to
see
board
member
salaries
in
Arlington
that
look
relatively
similar
to
the
salaries
of
the
chair
of
Loudoun
and
Prince
William,
which
are
jurisdictions
that
are
that
are
twice
our
size
and
so
I
think
just
having
a
real
kind
of
standard
metric
that
the
board
is
using
is
a
really
good
way
to
make
sure
this.
L
This
feels
like
science
as
much
as
art
and
to
make
sure
that
the
the
the
the
board
is
cognizant
and
doesn't
reach
a
point
where
there
in
fact
could
be
pushed
back
about
it,
but,
like
I,
said
very,
very
pleased
to
support
it
with
the
role
of
inflation.
I
think
that
and
a
changing
or
increasing
Ami
AI
in
our
region,
I
think
an
increase.
Running
Room
will
probably
be
necessary
over
the
next
four
years.
J
Yeah
I
did
and
actually
Mr
Karen
Thomas
hasn't
gone,
but
I
I,
oh
she's.
The
remarks
I
appreciate
the
remarks
and
I'll
just
just
say
real
quickly.
I,
you
know
talking
with
our
colleagues
in
the
region,
I
think
we're
setting
a
pretty
good
example.
This
seems
to
me
your
your
median
income
should
sort
of
be
the
the
floor
for
pretty
much
all
of
the
jurisdictions
and
I
know.
Some
of
them
are
behind.
Some
of
them
are
ahead,
but
most
most
I
think
do
not
actually
get
what
I
think
really.
J
Probably
people
ought
to
get
in
this
day
and
age
for
public
service
in
these
jobs.
I
think
you
may
not.
Do
you
may
disagree,
you
know
and-
and
that's
maybe
a
topic
that
we
can
have,
but
I
I
do
find
that
it's
I
think
it's
a
good
standard
to
have
and
I
have
one
worthy
of
Regional
discussion,
which
I
plan
to
continue
doing.
M
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
after
after
reiterating
that
this
is
not
a
salary
increase,
is
just
enabling
you
know
future
decisions
on
this
within
a
reasonable
range.
So
that's!
This
is
a
question
rather
from
Miss
kalyani,
so
the
the
100
am
I
that
is
kind
of
our
leading
measure
here.
How
how
common
is
that,
so
is
that
comparable?
Is
that
the
basis
for
the
other
jurisdictions
as
well.
AH
J
A
Extending
this
conversation
longer
than
it
needs
to
I'll
just
remind
everyone.
In
2019,
when
we
pegged
the
cap
to
100
of
Ami,
we
were
breaking
ground.
We
were
actually
setting
a
policy
framework
which
was
unique
in
the
region
for
how
this
ought
to
be
done.
A
If
you
will,
when
this
was
pegged
to
100
of
Ami
in
2019,
it
was
then
also
given
an
escalator
to
arrive
at
the
number,
which
was
the
cap
in
real
world
performance.
That
is
an
89
000
851
number
for
members
and
the
actual
change
in
Ami
during
this
time
period
has
resulted
in
a
new
floor
of
106
470.
So
we
did
not
have
a
cap
which
exceeded
the
Ami
level,
that's
also
dependent
on
what
you
use
as
an
escalator,
and
so
it's
important
to
note
within
this
particular
report.
A
The
escalator
is
the
average
annual
increase
over
a
five-year
period
of
Staff
increases
awarded.
So,
while
there's
no
guarantee
that
that
will
Peg
to
Ami
performance,
it
does
ensure
that
County
Board
salaries
are
not
allowed
to
grow
at
a
rate,
far
in
excess
of
what
staff
increases
are
so
for
both
of
those
I
actually
hope.
Those
are
Frameworks
that
the
region
chooses
to
adopt
if
they
want
to
move
away
from
arbitrary
increases
in
a
board
member
salaries,
Mr
deferanti.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
just
I,
I'm
glad
that
we're
having
some
discussion
of
this
I
want
to
be
accountable
on
this,
in
particular,
as
as
other
issues,
so
I.
Think,
ultimately
wise.
Not
for
this
to
for
us
to
have
this
discussion
as
a
separate
agenda
item,
I
will
say
that
this
is
not
no
one
has
said
it
today.
I,
don't
think
this
is
not
a
full.
K
This
is
not
a
part-time
job
and
whatever
your
convictions
are
politically,
it
should
still
not
be
a
part-time
job,
in
my
opinion,
so
that's
a
second
thought
and
I'd
say
that
we
need
to
have
the
ability
for
everyone
to
be
able
to
serve
publicly
it
shouldn't
be
financially
generously
compensated,
but
you
should
be
able
to
make
I
think
Ami
is
the
right
standard,
and
so
we
need
a
situation
where
everyone
who
has
the
skills
and
wants
to
serve
financially
can
be
able
to
make
it
work,
and
certainly
this
is
generous
in
making
it
work,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
step
for
governance
and
the
right
thing
to
do
so
that
it's
that
for,
among
other
considerations,
it's
not
just
folks
who
have
means
who
can
serve
on
this
board,
which
is
the
history
of
Virginia
and
in
part
the
history
of
Arlington.
A
You,
and
you
know,
I'll
just
add,
not
to
create
a
debate,
but
I
will
also
note
that
one
of
the
things
that's
difficult
in
in
salary
comps
with
our
peer
jurisdictions,
while
it's
certainly
necessary
for
us
to
show
what's
Happening
elsewhere
in
the
region.
It's
also
not
in
my
opinion,
true,
that
each
of
these
are
created
equally,
in
the
sense
that
Arlington
County
among
our
peers.
A
A
That's
not
dispositive
of
any
other
way
of
looking
at
it.
It's
just
a
point
to
say
that
we're
all
a
little
bit
different,
and
so
ultimately
the
numbers
probably
are
going
to
be
based
on
different
values
in
each
jurisdiction.
But
this
action
puts
us
well
within
I.
Believe
you
know,
certainly
where
the
region
is
we're
not
the
highest,
we're
not
the
lowest
and
that's
probably
a
safe
space
for
us
to
be.