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A
Good
evening,
everyone
full
house
nice
to
see
you
all.
We
are
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
four
mile
run
valley
plan
and
Jenny
Dean
Park
plan
I'd
like
to
begin
by
just
first
recognizing,
although
no
will
have
an
opportunity
for
instructions
later.
The
committee
members
from
the
Four
Mile
Run
Working
Group.
We
very
much
appreciate
your
being
with
us
tonight
as
well
as
we
appreciate
many
hours.
I
know
who
you
have
all
put
in
in
recent
months.
I
think
it's,
it's
probably
no
secret.
A
This
has
been
a
process
that
has
been
at
times
challenging
and
I.
In
my
estimation,
I
think
that's
actually
because
of
the
high
aspirations
for
and
love
for
this
part
of
the
county
that
so
many
different
people
and
constituencies
feel
or
the
hopes
they
might
have
for
its
future
uses,
whether
that's
commerce
or
parks,
active
and
casual
use.
The
arts,
dogs,
I
think
really.
What
is
may
be
reflected
in
some
sometimes
controversial
issues
is,
is
really
the
passion
that
that
many
members
and
constituencies
and
residents
and
businesses
all
feel
for
this
part
of
the
county.
A
I
wanted
to
say
just
a
word
about
expectations.
For
this
work
session,
I
know
that
a
lot
of
people
and
the
working
group
or
otherwise
are
looking
to
this
work
session.
To
perhaps
see
the
board
make
decisions
or
weigh
in
on
one
side
or
another,
particularly
on
disputed
elements
of
the
draft
framework.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
by
and
large,
we
will
not
be
doing
that
tonight,
except
in
a
couple
of
cases,
either
to
reaffirm
past
direction
or
to
weigh
in
where
there
are
clear
areas
for
board
input,
but
in
general
I
think.
A
Our
goal
tonight
really
is
to
improve
our
understanding
as
the
five
of
us
of
the
trade-offs
and
the
interrelated
elements
of
both
agenda.
D
and
Park
master
plan
in
the
area
plan
and
tee
up
the
additional
information
and
input
that
we
would
like
from
the
professional
staff
and
consultants
to
Veeck
Senate
remains
from
the
working
group
and
from
the
community
prior
to
adoption,
because
of
course
from
here
the
plants
will
go
to
our
Commission's.
A
The
last
thing
I'll
want
to
just
emphasize
is
that
you
know
it's:
it's
not
our
intent,
whatever
feedback
we
give
tonight,
I've
talked
with
each
of
my
colleagues
in
turn
on
this:
it's
not
our
intent
to
send
anyone
back
to
the
drawing
board,
particularly
neither
staff
nor
the
working
group.
We
respect
that.
Not
every
process
ends
in
consensus.
I
think
it's
time
now
to
see
what
further
improvements
can
be
made
to
some
of
these
designs.
That
will
satisfy
as
many
interests
as
possible
and
to
hear
from
again
our
Commission's
at
our
broader
public.
A
So
thank
you
all
for
bearing
with
me
on
that
framing
we're
interested
in
having
a
good
conversation
to
learn
to
give
feedback
where
we
can
and
again
to
frame
up
and
tee
up
those
further
conversations.
So
all
of
that
said
about
tonight.
Let
me
turn
briefly
to
my
colleague,
John
vice
sight.
Who's
been
our
liaison
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process
in
general.
Thanks.
B
B
Tempers
have
flared
from
time
to
time.
Disagreements
have
burst
into
the
open,
but
I
think
it
demonstrates
once
again
how
passionate
everybody
is
either
on
a
broad
policy
perspective
or
with
respect
to
very
granular
items,
whether
it
has
to
do
with
parks,
active
space
or
passive
space,
businesses,
transportation
or
the
myriad
other
components
of
what
is
going
to
ultimately
make
the
Four
Mile
Run
Valley
plan
a
great
one,
whether
it's
the
area
plan
or
the
park
plan.
So
with
that
I
just
once
again
want
to
thank
everybody
for
rolling
up
their
sleeves.
B
A
C
A
D
A
F
So
after
the
work
session
tonight
we
anticipate
having
additional
working
group
meetings
and
a
broader
discussion
with
the
community.
So
we've
scheduled
meetings
with
several
civic
associations
and
nearby
civic
associations
that
have
been
involved
in
the
process
as
well
as
it
fires,
rewards
and
commissions,
and
so
we'll
be
doing
that
for
the
remainder
of
this
month
and
all
of
next
month,
sort
of
taken
a
world
tour
with
the
policy
framework
and
hopefully,
with
the
input
and
feedback
that
we've
gotten
from
the
county
board.
F
Tonight
we'll
be
able
to
provide
valuable
information
to
the
community
as
we
move
forward
after
we've
met
with
all
of
those
different
constituencies.
We
hope
to
advertised
a
revised
version
of
the
policy
framework
in
April
and
come
back
to
the
board
for
action
and
in
May
and
then
takes
some
time
to
draft
in
an
area
plan.
F
In
a
park
master
plan
that
would
be
advertised
in
July
and
brought
back
for
action
in
September
so
mentioned
in
a
working
group
meeting
earlier
this
month
that
what
we
hope
to
do
is
get
this
all
wrapped
up
before
the
leaves
fall.
So
that's
that's
really
our
goal
for
tonight.
What
we
hope
to
do
is
review
the
framework
document
with
you
and
and
certainly
get
your
feedback
and
any
possible
questions
that
you
might
have
in
direction.
So
we
can
move
forward
in
discussing
the
the
policy
framework
are
reviewing
it.
F
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
that
we
did
take
time
to
provide
a
bit
of
background
in
the
document
for
the
average
reader
who
hasn't
been
involved
in
the
process.
The
working
group
has
been
meeting
since
June
of
2016,
so
they
know
all
the
issues
backwards
and
forwards,
but
we
really
we
tried
to
provide
some
background
for
other
readers
who
who
hadn't
been
involved
in
the
process.
F
Within
that
document
we
drafted
a
vision
statement
which
I
think
is
an
attempt
by
us
to
try
to
capture
some
of
the
key
ideas
that
we
have
heard
over
and
over
and
I've
highlighted
a
few
here.
I
think
one
of
the
main
things
is
that
participants
in
the
process
who
said
that
the
industrial
character
is
something
that's
important
for
for
this
part
of
Arlington
in
Arlington
as
a
whole.
F
We're
going
to
continue
to
work
with
the
working
group
and
we
may
work
Smith
this
thing
to
death,
but
I
think
we
tried
to
capture
the
main
essence
of
what
people
have
been
saying
to
us.
So
in
reviewing
the
the
concept
plans,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
area
plan
side
and
then
Scott's
going
to
jump
in
and
talk
about
the
park
master
planning
effort.
F
These
two
concepts
are
two
things
that
two
illustrations
that
we've
been
working
on
and
discussing
with
the
working
group
for
a
long
while
now
the
key
element
here
and
I'm
gonna
ask
Marco
Rivero
to
help
me
with
this.
Just
to
orient
people,
the
the
large
areas
are
the
park
master
planning
area.
That
is
also
part
of
our
study
and
then
for
the
area
plan.
There
are
four
sub
areas
that
we
considered
sub
area,
a
B,
C
and
D
again,
the
the
main
theme
being
that
there
should
not
be
extensive
change
in
this
area.
F
We
had
the
idea
of
keeping
the
existing
uses,
but
also
encouraging
arts
uses
within
there
and
then,
where
there
was
major
change
or
major
thought
and
discussion
was
really
in
sub
area
D,
where
one
option
was
was
we
conceived
of
more
broader
uses
and
greater
density
and,
in
the
second
illustration,
on
the
bottom,
really
looking
at
just
the
the
intersection
near
24th,
road
and
glebe
Road.
So
those
were
the
two
concepts
that
we
have
been
discussing
for
quite
a
while
and
based
on
a
feedback
that
we've
gotten
and
our
transportation
analysis.
F
We
came
to
a
new
concept
which
we
discussed
with
the
working
group
recently
and
in
this
concept
everything
stays
the
same,
pretty
much
for
sub
area
a
and
B
and
C,
but
within
sub
area
D.
We
really
have
taken
a
different
approach
and
looked
at
limiting
the
potential
for
redevelopment
and
broader
uses
to
those
areas
most
adjacent
to
the
NOC
revitalization
area
and
that
NOC
plan,
which
was
adopted
back
in
2004,
called
for
mixed-use
development.
F
So,
in
our
plan,
in
our
concept,
what
we've
tried
outlined
is
that
there
would
be
some
adjacent
areas
that
would
help
to
build
out
and
augment
the
development
which
is
already
conceived
in
the
in
the
NOC
revitalization
plan.
One
other
change
in
this
concept
is
that
what
we've
shown
is
adjacent
to
sub
area
B,
there's
a
two
block
area
which
we'll
talk
about
later,
which
we've
also
shaded
in
that
purple
color,
which
indicates
that
we
would
have
a
continuation
of
the
existing
uses,
but
also
encourage
arts
in
that
area
as
well.
G
Thank
you,
Richard.
It's
Illustrated,
the
parks
master
plan
area
is
situated
within
the
valley
along
the
four
mile
run
stream
immediately
boarded
by
a
service,
commercial
and
light
industrial
area.
We
are
developing
concepts
and
recommendations
to
modernize
and
improve
the
plans.
Three
parks,
Shirlington
Park
The
Charlatans
dog
park
and
Jenny
Dean
Park.
G
After
several
months
of
community
outreach,
including
the
July
2017,
open
house
and
three
working
group
meetings,
we
have
a
general
consensus
on
the
above
Shirlington
Park
plan.
Stakeholders
asked
for
casual
use,
recreation,
continued
removal
of
invasive
plant
species,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
safety,
placemaking
and
wayfinding
opportunities.
G
G
G
G
F
That
could
be
accomplished
over
time.
One
idea
that
we
had
as
part
of
our
considerations
with
severity
was
that
with
mark
branch
and
new
development
that
might
occur
adjacent
to
it,
that
there
may
be
an
opportunity
to
create
some
access
in
that
area,
but
again
with
our
change
in
in
concept
where
we're
not
calling
for
as
much
redevelopment
in
that
sub
area
that
that
access
point
that
opportunity
may
not
be
there.
F
So,
following
up
on
our
recommendations,
overall,
we
have
two
maps.
I
want
to
share
with
you.
One
is
the
future
land
use
map
which
shows,
with
the
deep
purple,
color
continuation
of
industrial
uses
and
service
commercial
uses
in
the
area
west
of
Walter,
Reed,
Drive
and
and
in
sub
areas,
C
and
part
of
D
as
well,
where
we
would
encourage
the
continued
continuation
of
those
types
of
uses
that
are
there
currently
today.
F
A
key
change
in
this
area
would
be
for
the
parcels
that
the
county
is
considering
it
acquiring
in
sub
areas,
see
where
the
the
art
bus
fleet
is
currently
parked
in
an
adjacent
parcel.
We
would
show
that,
as
future
public
use
within
sub
area
B,
we
show
a
continuation
with
this
sort
of
magenta
color
continuation
of
industrial
uses,
but
also
the
idea
of
incorporating
arts
as
well,
and
that
again
goes
from
Walter
Reed
Drive
down
into
the
tube
to
block
area
as
well
within
the
to
block
area.
F
F
We
show
a
continuation
of
residential
and
hotel
uses
at
the
intersection
or
near
the
intersection
of
24
throat
and
glebe
row,
a
continuation
of
the
Lomax
church
as
a
civic
use
or
a
semi
public
use,
which
is
also
a
historic
site
and
then
again
along
the
frontage
or
adjacent
to
the
NOC
revitalization
area.
We
have
this
area
where
broader
uses
and
mix
could
be
entertained
in
the
future,
so
this
really
backs
up
the
ideas
that
we've
all
put
together
and
been
discussing
for
these
many
months.
Similarly,
we
looked
at
heights
in
this
area.
F
It's
important
to
note
that
for
most
of
this
area,
which
is
zoned
for
industrial
use,
the
by
right
height
is
75
feet,
and
so
generally,
we've
kept
that
the
same
throughout
this.
This
study
area,
two
notable
exceptions
or
three
may
be
one-
is
the
the
lot
where
the
county
art
bus
fleet
is
is
currently
housed,
we're
showing
additional
height
they're
up
to
120
feet,
and
this
is
to
allow
for
the
idea
of
joint
use
or
collocation
in
the
future,
and
so,
regardless
of
how
the
buses
are
situated
on
the
site.
F
The
opportunity
to
look
at
other
uses
and
a
greater
height
on
that
site
with
this
isn't
is
an
idea
that
we
want
to
keep
keep
alive
at
this
point,
what
we've
shown
and
two
locations
are
heights
of
up
to
45
feet
or
three
locations.
One
is
Lomax
church.
Another
site
is
on
the
west
side
of
Shirlington
Road,
where
the
Chester's
pool
and
the
pool
hall
used
to
be,
and
on
the
wienie
beanie,
which,
if
it's
not
it's,
not
historic
now,
but
when
they
might
be.
H
H
F
Its
iconic
last
idea,
I
want
to
touch
on
and
we'll
talk
more
about
this
in
the
discussion
portion
this
evening
is
the
idea
of
a
new
concept
for
Four
Mile
Run
Drive.
You
may
recall
that
at
the
may
work
session
we
discussed
how
we
could
achieve
more
parking
in
this
area.
Two
options
that
were
on
the
table
were,
you
know,
fully
utilizing
and
best
utilizing
the
on
street
resources
and
finding
ways
to
do
that.
Another
option
was
off
street
parking
garages.
F
At
that
time
we
have
fleshed
out
the
idea
of
reconfiguring
form
our
end
drive
to
maximize
parking
and
we'll
discuss
later
on
how
we
can
do
that
in
phases
and
steps,
but
this
concept
shows
near
Jenny,
Dean
Park,
the
idea
of
achieving
angle
parking
to
maximize
parking
near
our
public
space
and
and
then
otherwise,
looking
for
other
improvements,
including
more
sidewalk
space
on
the
south
side
of
road
and
potentially
in
the
long
term,
sidewalk
space
on
the
north
side
of
road,
with
the
cooperation
of
with
Nova
parks.
So
you
know
this
is
a
comprehensive
idea.
F
This
concept,
this
little
illustration
on
the
top
shows
what
that
cross
section
might
look
like
if
you
were
some
standing
on
the
south
side
of
the
road.
Looking
eastbound
you'd
see
the
angle,
parking
and
professionals
tell
us
that
back
in
parking
is
actually
safer,
and
so
it
shows
that
back
in
Park
angle,
parking
on
the
south
side
of
the
road
and
parallel
park
on
the
north
side
and
a
three
lane
configuration
one
through
lane
in
each
direction
and
a
turn
lane
in
the
center.
A
D
You
very
much
we
are
very
happy
to
be
here.
Finally,
this
this
is
a
unique
planning
effort,
so
unique
committee
because,
as
you
know,
we're
doing
both
the
park
master
plan
and
a
larger
area
plan
surrounding
it
and
trying
to
do
them.
At
the
same
time,
the
working
group
contains
representatives
three
different
neighborhoods,
eight
different
County
Commission's,
several
local
businesses
and
landowners.
Some
at-large
reps
we're
dealing
with
two
different
departments
in
addition
to
the
yeah,
so
don't
leave
them
out,
but
two
groups
of
consultants
and
tying
all
this
together
has
been
interesting.
D
But,
despite
the
controversies
you
hear
about
some
of
these
remaining
issues,
we've
actually
reached
consensus
on
a
lot
of
things.
I
mean
the
most
important
one
I
think
is.
This
is
the
is
the
consensus
to
maintain
the
existing
industrial
character
of
the
neighborhood
of
the
planning
area,
because
people
understand
there's
not
much
light.
Industrial
land
left
in
Arlington
and
the
services
provided
here
are
very
valued
by
the
community.
D
We've
also
all
agreed,
there's
a
need
to
improve
pedestrian
and
bless
you
and
bicycle
connectivity
and
safety.
There's
some
areas
where
it's
very
marginally
unsafe
to
walk
and
certainly
unattractive
to
walk,
and
so
the
plan
calls
for
general
infrastructure
improvements,
which
I
think
are
important.
It's
including
a
lot
of
improvements
to
the
crossing.
A
four
mile
run
drive,
which
is,
which
is
people
have
pointed
out.
D
Scott
mentioned
that
the
schirling
Arlington
Park
design
is
completely
supported
by
the
working
group.
There's
a
great
job
on
that
I
mean
really
came
to
us
presented
some
options.
We
all
liked
one
option
came
back
the
next
time.
It's
done.
It's
finished
no
issues.
There
and
most
importantly,
there's
no
controversy
about
the
dog
park
and,
as
you
all
recall,
from
our
meeting
last
May,
that
was
a
hugely
controversial
item.
We
had
set
up
a
dog
park
committee
headed
by
Carolyn,
which
is
the
great
job
and
the
end
result.
D
D
D
Just
came
to
me
just
now,
so
we
still
have
some
disagreements.
Obviously
the
three
we're
gonna
talk
about
tonight:
the
design
of
Jenny
Dean
Park,
which
the
working
group
is
split
right
down
the
middle
on
half
of
a
support,
one
design,
half
support
another
I
think
you
all
know.
We
got
a
letter
from
the
softball
Association
today
stating
that
they
think
the
current
design
is
unsafe.
So
we
have.
We
think
that
issue
needs
to
be
revisited
and
have
some
ideas
about
that.
We
can
talk
about
later.
D
The
second
big
issue
is
the
to
block
area
west
of
Nelson
Street,
a
very
large
majority
about
three-quarters
of
the
Working
Group
voted
against
the
recommendations
contained
in
the
policy
framework
and
the
st.
by
the
same
vote
suggested
that
we
need
to
adopt
the
recommendations
made
by
the
Arts
District
Committee,
which
was
chaired
by
our
other
vice-chair
Robin
stomper,
and
the
third
area
has
it
really?
D
A
I
You
let
me
expand
on
what
what
Charles
was
saying
so
I'm
just
to
pit
to
pick
up
on
that
we
did
have
votes
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
votes.
Basically,
the
working
group
voted
against
most
all
aspects
of
the
draft
policy
framework.
So
what
I
want
to
focus
on
tonight
is
what
we
did
pass.
As
for
your
assistance
in
moving
this
project
to
a
more
successful
point,
so
I'm
going
to
make
about
three
and
a
half
points.
The
first
is
Jenny
Dean
Park
to
follow
up
on
what
Charles
was
saying.
I
I'm
gonna
speak
specifically
about
the
knock
community,
so
the
null
community
had
several
ideas
for
what
amenities
could
go
into
the
park,
but
it
was
made
clear
early
on
that
the
county
wanted
the
six
elements
that
are
currently
there.
So
we're
talking
about
ball
fields,
playground,
pavilion,
basketball,
court,
tennis,
courts,
an
open
green
space
and
then
all
community
went
along
with
that.
That
said,
the
Nok
community,
where
Jenny
Dean
Park
sits,
has
always
been
United,
clear
and
consistent
about
four
points.
I
I
The
industrial
character
of
the
neighborhood
should
be
captured
and
there
should
be
a
connection
between
the
park
and
other
parts
of
the
area,
and
we
suggested
that,
for
example,
through
the
use
of
a
promenade,
so
to
repeat
the
park
has
is
retaining
all
of
these
current
elements
with
the
further
with
the
future
demolition
of
the
sikh
building,
potentially
WETA
and
other
buildings,
the
park
is
going
to
get
larger.
Some
estimates
have
said
40
to
50
percent
larger
the
option
for
this
larger
Park
put
forth
by
staff
completely
ignores
the
Nok
community's
requests.
I
This
really
is
not
difficult.
There
is
space
for
all
these
elements.
There
is
space
to
address
environmental
concerns
and
there
is
space
to
address
the
community's
design
requests.
Frankly,
the
staff
has
already
shown
us
an
option
that
addresses
this.
It's
not
as
beautiful
as
their
recommendation,
but
there
is
an
optional
on
the
table.
We
asked
you
to
direct
the
staff
to
develop
this
alternate
design.
I
Secondly,
the
arts
district.
A
lot
has
been
said
about
an
arts
district,
but
sometimes
what
gets
lost
and
all
the
noise
is
this.
The
area
between
self
Nelson
and
Walter
Reed
Drive
is
already
a
burgeoning
arts
district.
There
is
an
85
seat,
black
box
theater.
There
are
studios
for
classes,
dance
classes,
recitals
there
is
gallery
space,
there's
a
costume
and
property
shop
for
signature
theater.
There
is
a
private
actually
recording
studio
where
the
country's
most
widely
recognized
in
the
claim
bands
lay
down
tracks.
I
There
are
over
30
arts
organizations
that
call
this
area
home,
including
multi
ethnic
heritage,
arts
groups.
Now
in
this
neighborhood
we
also
have
the
last
vestiges
of
light
industrial
space
in
Arlington.
It
is
a
relatively
affordable
space
for
small
businesses
to
operate,
and
we've
seen
that
through
the
establishment
of
new
of
a
new
distribution
brewery,
which
has
just
celebrated
its
second
anniversary
in
the
area
as
well
as
multiple
family-owned
mechanic
shops
that
have
operated
through
generations.
The
working
group
voted
thirteen
to
five
with
five
abstentions.
I
To
ask
you
the
board,
to
direct
the
staff
to
incorporate
the
recommendations
from
the
Arts
District
committee
into
the
policy
framework.
These
recommendations
embrace
the
industrial
roots
of
the
area
with
a
thriving
mix
of
arts,
culture,
business
and
industry.
This
melding
of
use
is
important
for
sustainability
and
long-term
viability.
We
have
here
the
opportunity
to
expand
on
a
unique
area
of
Arlington
leverage,
existing
institutions
and
buildings,
rather
than
as
in
the
draft
report,
rather
than
tearing
them
down
and
frankly,
to
stop
a
cookie
cutter
development
being
placed
in
this
unique
area.
I
While
this
area
already
provides
value
with
its
arts
and
industrial
uses,
the
committee
recommendations
outline
how
it
can
offer
so
much
more
as
a
branded
placemaking
spot
in
Arlington
I
want
to
clarify
another
point.
Here
too,
we
have
heard
that
that
the
county
is
somewhat
reticent
to
embrace
an
arts
district,
fearing
that
it
was
not
allowed
by
the
Commonwealth.
Well
as
part
of
the
committee's
work,
we
ask
delegate
hope
for
assistance.
I
Legislative
Council
in
Richmond
has
confirmed
that
Arlington
is
indeed
eligible
for
the
benefits
that
an
arts
district
may
reap,
but
so
there's
no
confusion,
delicate
hope
introduced
legislation.
This
session
that
clarifies
any
ambiguity
on
this
matter
and
I'm
pleased
to
tell
you
that.
As
of
this
point,
the
House
of
Delegates
passed
the
bill
by
a
vote
of
99
to
0
Harling
tonneaus.
The
area
along
Shirlington
Road
from
the
Vulcan
plant
to
South
24th
would
continue
with
its
light
industrial
and
service
commercial
uses.
I
However,
the
new
mixed-use
development
would
be
permitted,
as
you
saw
along
charlington
Road
and
with
the
warehouse
is
really
hidden
behind.
On
behalf
of
the
Nok
community.
I
can
say
the
staff
did
listen
to
our
concerns
and
we
appreciate
that
over
an
earlier
draft,
and
this
is
much
improved
and
we
appreciate
that
change
that
staff
has
made.
I
The
working
group
did
vote,
however,
by
a
vote
of
15
to
0,
with
8
abstentions,
to
ask
the
board
to
direct
staff
to
provide
an
economic
analysis
on
the
viability
of
sub
area
D
before
final
adoption
of
area
plan.
Your
insight,
frankly
on
this
issue
would
be
very
helpful,
and
let
me
let
me
explain
this
industrial
area,
particularly
with
its
large
warehouses,
is
lacking
in
arlington,
and
while
the
community
would
like
to
see
a
revitalization
of
this
area,
it
also
accepts
its
current
uses.
I
Yet
any
change
is
ultimately
going
to
change
the
fabric
of
the
community,
so
the
questions
are:
does
Arlington
County
value,
this
type
of
industrial
space
if
residential
or
mixed
uses
are
added
to
the
area?
How
does
that
affect
the
relative
affordability
of
this
neighborhood?
We
are
not
talking
about
affordable
housing,
districts
or
affordable
housing
units.
I
We
are
talking
about
a
change
in
the
community
as
a
whole,
so
if
the
industry
leaves
and
and
finally
plans
in
the
Nok
revitalization
area,
as
you
heard
from
the
staffs
presentation,
has
been
on
the
books
for
some
time
now
and
we've
seen
little
action.
So
how
do
we
know
that
this
latest
iteration
will
be
successful
without
a
true
economic
analysis
and
then,
finally,
overall,
it's
important
to
recognize
frankly
there's
a
lack
of
vision
in
the
draft
policy
framework?
I
Yes,
we
know
there
is
a
vision
statement,
that's
been
provided,
but
the
vision
really
is
not
carried
out
throughout
the
document.
The
framework
frankly
reads
like
an
old
patchwork,
quilts
sewn
together.
There
really
is
a
tapestry
here.
There's
a
connectivity
in
the
area
that
needs
to
weave
throughout
this
study
area
and-
and
we
really
do
need
to
remember
that
as
we're
looking
for
it
as
a
full
plan.
So
I
appreciate
your
consideration
of
these
comments
and
I.
Look
forward
to
hearing
your
Congress.
J
Thank
you
all
nice
to
see
you
again,
I
just
want
to
echo
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
that
we
do.
We
have
made
progress
in
a
number
of
areas
and
retaining
the
industrial
uses
in
character.
The
planning
sub
areas
is
probably
one
of
the
key
ones
as
well
as
any
other
ones
that
Charles
has
mentioned.
J
I
would
note,
though,
that
a
lot
of
the
views
from
the
participants
on
the
working
group
really
have
not
changed
over
the
past
two
years
and
I
think
that's
reflected
in
the
split
votes
that
we've
had
on
almost
every
issue,
a
whole
lot
of
abstentions,
and
even
where
it
seems
like
there
might
be
some
consensus.
There
were
also
a
lot
of
cross
currents
about
why
people
voted
the
way
they
did
that
were
not
necessarily
consistent.
J
I
believe
that
the
staff
compromise
proposal
is
an
effort
to
bridge
those
divides
and
those
gaps
and
specifically
within
the
two
block
area
west
of
Nelson
support
the
staff
recommendation
that
they
use
the
areas
there
for
the
park.
Expansion
will
have
opportunity
to
talk
about
that
more
later,
but
that
is
consistent
with
plans
that
we've
had
for
over
20
years
in
the
1994
open
space
master
plan
and
the
2005
public
space
master
plan,
as
well
as
in
previously
adopted.
J
Cips
I
am
you
know,
I'm
sympathetic
to
some
of
the
issues
raised
about
the
park
planning
area,
and
this
is
is
difficult
because,
as
we
all
know,
when
looking
at
parks,
if
you
move
one
element,
other
things
have
to
move
around,
and
so
there
were
a
whole
lot
of
trade-offs
and
there
was
a
whole,
a
big
effort
to
try
to
meet
all
of
those
various
demands
from
the
the
request
by
the
NOC
Civic
Association,
to
have
that
council
USERRA
along
four
Mile
Run,
which
is
in
this
plan.
It
respects
the
environmental
issues
by
moving.
J
You
know,
the
fields
out
of
the
resource
protection
area
allows
a
connection
for
my
run.
Valley
with
the
walkway
allows.
You
know,
provides
for
some
stream
restoration.
What
we
hear
on
playground
is
that
people
don't
want
playgrounds
typically
next
to
a
road.
They
want
a
more
centralized
because
they
don't
want
their
kids
right
next
to
roads.
So
there's
a
lot
of
cross
currents
here
and
you
know
pathi
I'm
sure
we
could.
J
We
could
come
up
with
a
lot
of
different
variations
on
this,
but
I'm
somewhat
sympathetic
to
where
we
ended
up
simply
because
it
really
was
trying
to
meet
a
whole
lot
of
competing
needs
and
I
think
there
was
an
effort
on
staffs
part
to
do
that.
Obviously,
moving
on
with
the
WETA
makes
all
of
this
a
whole
lot
easier.
If
we
can
the
sooner,
we
could
do
that
the
better,
and
that
makes
the
phasing
issues
very
different,
and
so
some
you
know
I
think
they're
dependent
upon
how
we
can
move
on.
J
A
You
very
much
and
thank
you
to
the
three
of
you
for
your
leadership.
Well,
we're
going
to
turn
it
back
to
our
staff,
I
think
to
tee
up
a
couple
of
issues
for
our
chief
and
major
discussion
tonight
and
colleagues
I'll
just
note
as
well.
You
know,
as
Charles,
put
well
and
I
think
our
staff
did
too
there.
A
There
are
other
elements
of
this
plan
beyond
just
the
fuel
we'll
discuss
tonight,
so
I
hope
well,
I'll
aim
to
facilitate
us
to
leave
a
little
bit
of
time
for
questions
or
feedback
on
other
elements
of
the
plan
beyond
those
that
we'll
get
our
most
keen
attention
tonight.
So
back
to
you,
mr.
McPartlin
I
believe
thank.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
The
area
plans
park
proposed
parking
in
a
small
parking
area
at
the
location
of
an
existing
lot
within
the
plan
will
accommodate
the
parking
requirements
for
the
zoning
ordinance.
Two
tennis
courts
and
one
basketball
court
would
be
installed
during
a
future
phase
of
construction.
During
the
interim
period,
Park
users
may
visit
Barcroft
Park
fought
bernad
Park
audre
Park
for
the
use
of
athletic
courts.
G
Please
note
that
there
is
a
minor
refinement
between
phase
one
on
the
previous
slide.
In
this
illustration,
after
vetting
the
plan
with
the
community,
as
well
as
our
operations
and
maintenance
experts,
we
continued
to
refine
the
placement
of
the
rectangular
practice
space
on
the
very
on
a
large
diamond
which
significantly
improves
the
parks,
accessibility
and
visibility,
including
physical,
physical
and
visual
access
between
the
fields.
This
connects
the
western
edge
of
the
park
to
the
playground,
picnicking
area
and
restrooms.
G
G
G
G
The
option
forms
the
best
contiguous
casual
use,
open
space
network
that
wraps
the
park
on
all
sides
and
provides
the
greatest
access
to
the
formal
run
stream.
The
preferred
alternative
establishes
a
lively
activity
zone
that
allows
complimentary
amenities
to
be
within
close
proximity
to
each
other
and
the
planned
positions.
The
playground
of
picnic
area
in
natural
parkland
and
the
four
mile
run
stream
casual
use,
space
and
restrooms
and
away
from
the
major
roadway.
Thank
you
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
I
know
we'll
have
them
mm-hmm,
so
colleagues
I
think
you
know
our
agenda
for
tonight
included
some
objectives
and,
as
we
take
on
each
issue,
the
the
objectives
differ
a
little
bit
so
I'll
be
clear
about
our
goals
and
again
these
were
developed
by
mr.
Vyse
at
and
me
in
collaboration
with
staff
and
the
working
group
leadership.
A
So
the
the
chief
goal
really
is
for
us,
the
five
of
us
to
leave
here,
with
a
better
understanding
of
the
different
elements
we're
all
seeking
to
accommodate
here
in
the
design,
as
well
as
any
interrelated
issues
around
them
and
any
potential
trade-offs.
So
so,
please
I,
think
that's
a
great
place
for
us
to
start
in
terms
of
asking
questions.
We
are
not
going
to
decide
between
these
options.
Tonight.
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
premature
to
do
that.
A
We
want
to
allow
for
opportunities
for
public
comment
and
further
public
engagement,
but
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
give
feedback
about
both
of
these
design
options
or
potentially
other
design
options.
The
questions
we
might
have
to
be
explored
and
the
areas
where
we
would
like
further
input
from
staff.
The
working
group
and
community
members
so
with
that,
let
me
open
the
floor
for
questions
and
we'll
start
in
this
revised
debt.
Thank.
B
B
Could
you
just
update
the
group
in
terms
of
the
conversations
we've
been
having
with
Weta
over
these
many
months?
I
think
we
were
all
cheered
to
see
the
release
and
on
January
4th
regarding
the
WETA
letter
of
intent.
Just
explain
that
a
little
bit
and
where
we
go
from
here,
so
we
have
the.
If
we
could
have
the
slide
if
we
could
have
a
slide
of
showing
WETA
the
existing
situation
on
Jenny
Dean,
okay,
that
that
probably
works
with
it
with
the
hash
marks.
Okay,
so.
E
Weta
is
in
the
process
right
now,
they've
signed
a
letter
of
intent.
We've
signed
a
letter
of
intent
of
exploring
options
about
potentially
moving
their
studio
from
where
it
is
located
right
there
on
the
map
to
doing
some
additional
build-out
on
their
space
at
Campbell
place,
and
we
continue
to
have
conversations
with
them.
We
met
with
them
as
recently
as
last.
In
the
last
10
10
days,
they've
been
a
bit
distracted
by
the
proposal
in
the
President's
budget
that
would
zero
out
the
Corporation
for
Public
Broadcasting,
so
they've
been
a
bit
distracted
since
then.
E
A
H
I
mean
there's
no
questions
really
just
to
make
sure
I.
Have
it
very
clear
you
know
in
in
essence
the
oppositional
concerns
largely
centered
on
alternative
three
over
the
staff
preferred
option
due
to
the
placement
of
the
casual
use
space.
But
can
we
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
any
differences
in
phasing
that
we
would
anticipate
under
a
consistent
best-case
scenario,
for
you
know
how
option
three
could
be
realized
versus
the
staff
preferred
option
Oh.
H
G
K
G
A
B
G
So
the
parking
dynamic
with
the
proposed
area
plans
parking
illustration,
along
with
the
small
20
space
parking
lot
and
the
eastern
side
of
the
plan.
We
would
meet
the
67
space
zoning
requirement
for
the
park,
the
two
small
businesses,
let's
take
a
look,
the
the
two
small
businesses
and
the
upper
right
hand,
side
of
the
site.
G
Of
course,
if
we
were
to
develop
the
Phase
two
to
its
completion,
we
would
need
to
acquire
those
spaces.
Nevertheless,
this
is
a
multi-phased
plan
and
any
acquisition,
as
you
know,
as
it's
been
stated,
would
be
through
conversation
and
negotiation.
So,
hypothetically,
if
we
acquired
WIDA
prior
to
the
other
two,
we
could
accomplish
a
lot
of
what
you
see
as
the
the
final
concept.
B
D
A
Interested
to
hear
a
little
more
about
the
overlay
that
allows
the
achievement
of
basically
a
rectangular
field
on
top
of
the
diamond
fields.
Of
course,
as
we
were
reminded
by
one
of
our
Park
staff
at
our
earlier
work
session,
not
at
the
same
time
can
they
be
used
for
diamond
field
purposes
and
rectangular
verses.
So
could
you.
G
G
Sorry
about
that,
with
a
much
better
refinement
where
we
move
the
practice
rectangular
field
up
entirely
into
the
large
diamond,
and
what
this
does
is
to
answer
I
can
answer
your
questions.
First,
yes,
it's
extremely
feasible
our
programming
and
sports
and
recreation
folks
felt
that
this
would
function
very
well.
G
A
G
L
A
D
I
think
there
was
also
a
concern
that-
and
this
is
a
different
issue,
but
it's
not
a
playable
because
of
the
effect
of
the
Sun
on
on
the
vision
of
the
players
during
the
game.
So
but
Jimmy
the
issue
was
just
the
safety
of
it,
whether
it's
it's
really
going
to
be
safe,
that
close
to
the
road,
especially
if
we're
taking
down
a
lot
of
the
fences
I
mean
many
times.
B
Along
the
same
lines,
I
would
be
I,
don't
know
that
MS
broth
well,
would
fancy
yourself
necessarily
a
diamond
expert,
but
she
certainly
might
be
close
to
it
is.
Is
miss
broth
well
in
the
room
I?
Would
it
would
be
helpful,
at
least
for
me
as
given
that
the
fact
that
you're
chair
of
the
Sports
Commission
could
either
the
chair
articulate
miss
broth
wells
position
or
with
your
indulgence,
might
we
be
able
to
hear
from
her
I
mean?
This
is
a
significant
this.
This
seems
like
a
significant
al
biet
very
late.
B
You
know
in
the
game
observation
by
mr.
Sarver
who
identifies
himself
as
the
coach
of
the
Crystal
City
Sports
pub
men's
Class,
C
Wednesday,
adult
softball
is
his
title
and-
and
he
he's
quite
you
know,
he's
quite
emphatic
in
terms
of
of
the
the
lack
of
safety
that
he
perceives
in
the
current
scheme,
so
miss
broth
well,.
M
Yes,
so
I
think
the
the
issue
that
he's
raising
is
that
the
players
who
are
playing
on
the
adult
field
are
grown
men
who
are
capable
of
hitting
what
is
essentially
the
size
of
a
grapefruit.
A
very
long
distance
and
I'm
told
that
they
routinely
hit
home
runs
out
of
the
fields
above
the
whatever
it
is
10
or
12
foot
fences
that
exist
now.
M
M
It's
you
know.
I
I,
don't
have
any
data
on
the
extent
to
which
that's
likely
to
happen,
but
I
think
the
orientation
of
the
fields
now
towards
the
stream
ensure
that
balls
that
do
across
the
fence,
either
on
the
youth
diamond
or
the
big
field,
are
going
to
end
up
most,
probably
not
hitting
a
person
they're
gonna
end
up
in
the
stream,
the
issue
of
orientation.
M
You
know
that
I
did
spend
some
time
today
trying
to
get
information
from
a
lot
of
diamond
field
users
about
what
is
the
correct
orientation
or
ideal
orientation
for
a
field
and
its
might
as
best
as
I,
understand
and
I'm.
Sure
Scott
can
probably
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
orientation
that's
ideal
is
for
a
line
from
home
plate
through
second
base
to
be
headed
in
a
northeast
direction.
The
fields
are
not
currently
ideally
oriented.
This
is
not
an
ideal
orientation.
Design.
3
is
not
an
ideal
orientation.
M
N
O
O
On
top
of
the
fencing
you
end
up
using
netting
we're
getting
ready
to
do
this
right
now
at
the
Gunston
field,
because
balls
go
beyond
the
field
of
play
and
into
the
parking
lot,
and
so
the
netting
tends
to
just
kind
of
fade
into
the
you
know:
it's
not
particularly
noticeable,
and
yes,
they
use
it
for
golf
courses.
I
think
one
of
you
mentioned
that
earlier.
So
there
are
solutions
to
it.
It's
a
challenge,
because
of
so
many
we're
trying
to
put
so
many
things
in
a
you
know
in
in
a
tight
space.
B
O
Know
I
think,
certainly
we
will
tweak
the
design
you
know
adjust
as
much
as
we
can
when
we
get
to
the
final
design
of
this,
but
I
think
as
it
as
was
said
that
there
is
no
ideal
orientation
here
to
deal
with
everything
else
that
we're
dealing
with
and
so
I
think
this
is
better
than
what
we
have.
You
know
an
improvement
to
what
we
have
now
so.
B
Mr.
Mountford,
if
I
could
get
your
views
or
either
the
views
of
either
of
the
people
who
flank
you
I
mean
how?
Where
do
we
go
from
here,
I
mean
this?
Is
you
know
that
this
this
gentleman
writes
four
or
five
paragraphs
we've
heard
from
our
Sports
Commission?
Who
believes
that
there's
legitimate
exert
concern
expressed
here?
D
When
this
came
up
earlier
today,
surely
broth
well
made
a
suggestion
that
maybe
we
need
to
set
up
a
committee
to
a
very
small
committee
to
look
at
this
issue
and
look
at
the
two
designs
look
at
the
safety
issue.
We
did
this
earlier
that
their
late
last
year,
with
both
the
dog
park
and
the
Arts
District
committee,
they
were
very
successful.
D
I
think
we
could
name
a
committee
of
five
people
who
represented
different
views
on
the
issue,
give
them
six
weeks
or
so
to
look
into
it,
and
if
the
staff
would
help
us
by
providing
some
support
in
terms
of
the
design
options
and
and
their
expertise
on
the
implications
of
different
designs.
I'd
like
to
take
another
look
at
this
and
look
at
the
two
options
for
the
park,
but
also
look
at
the
safety
issue.
It
really
hasn't
come
up
before
and.
B
Mr.
Mountford,
at
the
same
time,
would
it
be
also
your
view,
mindful
of
what
our
chair
recently
stated,
that
that
this
would
not
be
used
as
the
opportunity
say
to
to
re-litigate
issues
such
as?
Shall
there
be
two
diamonds
or
one,
or
should
we
put
in
a
bocce
court,
or
you
know
something
like
that?
No.
L
D
A
large
diamond
field,
a
small
diamond
field,
some
courts,
playground
a
picnic
structure
and,
and
really
the
issues
where
you
should
put
those
things
and
staff
has
done
really
a
good
job
of
looking
at
different
options.
But
we
think,
given
this
additional
issue,
given
the
fact
that
working
group
is
split
right
down
the
middle
we'd
like
to
give
it
another
shot
and
take
six
weeks
or
so
and
really
see.
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
work
out
something
that
most
people
agree
on
staff.
A
Mr.
Mountford,
a
few
if
mr.
Vyse
that
doesn't
mind
the
interruption,
it
sounded
a
little
bit
to
me
like
the
scope
of
this
group
kind
of
changed,
as
you
were
talking.
So
let
me
make
sure
I'm,
clear,
I
think,
there's
probably
certainly
for
my
part.
I
would
like
to
see
some
further
analysis
on
the
part
of
staff,
the
Sports
Commission
and
potentially
this
working
group
on
this
particular
question
of
safety.
A
The
question
of
how
these
items
fit
together
and
in
what
configuration
is
a
slightly
different
question
and
my
understanding
one,
that's
really
been
talked
about
really
at
some
length
already
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
I
for
one
would
be
very
comfortable
sort
of
endorsing
and
even
directing
staff
to
spend
some
resources
on
the
former
charge.
The
latter
feels
a
little
duplicative
well.
D
L
H
I'm
hearing
madam
chair
and
you
know,
I
recognize
no
one
wants
to
delay
anything
further,
but
when
I'm
hearing
from
mr.
Mountford
tell
me
if
I'm
miss
characterizing
it
looking
at
the
experience
of
the
Arts
subcommittee
in
some
of
the
areas
where
you've
been
able
to
task
a
smaller
group
with
actually
really
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
come
up
with
a
concept
and
to
explain
to
the
larger
group
of
concept,
you
found
some
success
with
that
model
and
you'd
at
least
like
to
give
it
a
try.
Yeah.
D
H
A
I
To
add
to
two
points,
since
you
mentioned
safety,
another
component
of
that
which
is
important
to
recognize
is
frankly
how
close
that
area
is
to
the
residential
community
where
the
ball
park
is
so
where
the
ball
park
would
be
in
the
staffs
recommendation
is
exactly
where
the
buses
were,
and
that
means
lights.
That
means
noise
because
of
the
topography
of
the
area.
The
the
community
can
hear
conversations
in
that
area
of
the
park.
I
So
that's
another
reason
why
we
don't
want
to
see
something
like
a
ball
park
there,
not
to
mention
how
unwelcoming
it
is
to
have
a
fence
at
the
beginning
part
of
the
park,
that's
up
against
the
neighborhood,
so
that
that's
another
component
to
keep
in
mind
and
then.
Secondly,
I
would
like
to
just
add
to
the
to
the
committee
recommendation.
I
If
that's
the
direction
you
want
to
go
in
for
there
to
be
some
impetus
that
it's
actually
accepted
by
the
staff,
because
we
have
had
committee
reports
that
have
not
been
accepted
by
the
staff,
so
I
don't
know
how
you
want
to
address
that.
But
I
think
that's
something.
That's
important
to
recognize
sure.
A
And
appreciate
your
point
of
view
on
it.
I
think
massamba
you've
made
a
number
of
points
both
in
writing
and
tonight,
with
your
concerns
about
the
preferred
option.
That
at
least
is,
and
for
my
thinking
of
not
being
ready
to
bless
that
option
tonight.
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
do
well,
we'll
need
to
I
think
take
in
whatever
feedback
we
get
from
both
staff.
The
other
Commission's
in
the
broader
community
I.
A
K
Don't
want
to
interrupt
this
discussion
until
we're
sort
of
done
with
it
and
I
think
if
mr.
Montfort
in
the
committee
really
wanted
to
pursue
this
fine,
but
I
am
NOT
interested
in
relitigate
reopening
up
lots
more
than
that,
it's
really
limited.
Just
just
saying,
I
was
gonna
switch
to
parking,
and
it's
just
simply
mr.
Portland.
K
A
A
More
coming,
alright,
so
I
think
then
let
me
see
for
the
purposes
of
time
and
getting
to
some
of
those
other
good
topics
like
parking
colleagues
I
think
where
we're
landing
is
a
willingness
to
give
a
subcommittee
an
opportunity
to
study
not
only
safety,
but
some
of
the
other
elements
of
the
plan
in
the
coming
weeks,
I'm
seeing
a
nod
from
the
manager
that
there
will
be
staff
support
to
do
so.
I
will
just
reiterate
my
other
comment.
A
This
is
actually
not
just
an
opportunity
for
us
to
tee
up
questions
for
the
working
group
or
a
new
sub
group,
but
to
tee
up
questions
we'll
have
all
of
our
Commission's
weigh
in
with
expertise
on
environment,
on
sports,
on
recreation
in
general
and
so
I
think
what
I
am
hearing
about
some
of
these
areas
of
discussion.
We
are
interested
in
safety
around
the
placement
and
use
of
the
ball
fields
and
I
think,
possibly
generally
the
mix
of
casual
youth
space
and
geographically,
where
it
appears
with
some
of
these
other
programmatic
elements.
Mr.
Dorsey
yeah.
H
Madam
chair
I
would
just
say
you
know
for
us:
you
want
to
be
very
clear
that
we're
not
charging
a
committee
to
try
and
work
with
staff
to
necessarily
amend
the
staffer
for
alternative
that
it
could.
Who
knows,
I,
don't
want
to
close
out
that
factor,
but
that
recommendation
can
stand
with
what
I
hope
is
forthcoming,
and
that
is
more
of
a
working
group
consensus
on
what
is
a
preferred
alternative,
even
if
it
happens
different
where
I'm
uncomfortable.
K
B
Just
to
just
to
put
a
finer
point
on
this:
can
I
just
ask
what
what
what
would
be
your
mindset
in
terms
of
time
frame
for
this?
When
would
you
start
the
discussions
and
when
would
you
end
them
six
weeks
does.
Does
that
that's
how
long
we
took
on
the
two
committees
earlier
this
year?
Okay,
so
it's
it's
now
February
twenty-second.
A
B
A
F
F
A
F
A
Very
clear
about
that
I
I
think
none
of
us
are
interested
in
delaying
this
process
further
and
so
whether
we're
setting
dates
here
at
the
work
table
or
not
the
intent
I
think
of
the
board
is
for
that
work
to
be
concluded
in
time
for
staff
to
fold
that
into
the
larger
presentation
they
take
to
the
Commission's
community,
open
houses,
civic
associations
etc.
Is
that
consistent
with
the
working
group.
D
Actually,
that's
not
exactly
correct,
because
this
framework
is
going
to
the
different
Commission's
and
neighborhoods
now,
and
we've
got
rightwell
meetings.
Writing
like
that
and
the
next
month
briefing
all
these
different
Commission's.
So
this
would
be
going
on
in
parallel,
looking
at
and
actually
there's
no
reason,
we
can't
have
discussion
at
those
Commission's
about
generating
parking
mature,
we'll
get
that
anyway,
so
that
can
feed
into
the
committee
as
well,
but
we
could
do
it.
I
mean
I
think
we
can
commit
to
getting
in
town
in
time
for
the
staff
to
bring.
P
Thank
you
that
was
actually
exactly
where
I
was
gonna
head,
mr.
maan,
for
which
is,
as
you
go
around
the
Commission's
I
for
one
would
hope
that,
when
this
comes
forward
to
the
board,
ultimately
for
advertisement
and
adoption,
some
of
the
the
trade-offs
here
that
we
have
to
make
and
I
think
it
was
Haynes
actually
also
characterized.
This
very
well,
as
did
miss
drawn
blurred
that
you
know
not.
Everybody's
gonna
get
everything
that
they
want
out
of
it,
but
it's
a
little
troubling
to
get
letters
from
the
community
where
it
seems
like
for
some
groups.
P
They're.
Just
things
are
completely
out
of
whack
right,
so
I
think
that
to
further
refine
and
make
sure
we're
very
clear
of
the
relationship
between
the
various
amenities
and
four
Mile
Run
Drive
and
the
relationship
between
the
amenities
and
the
riparian
area
and
the
neighborhood,
and
all
that
that
those
trade-offs
that
the
way
that
that
we
have
you
know
a
fully
engaged
conversation
so
that
hopefully,
as
we
come,
get
as
you
get
through
the
Commission's
and
come
back.
P
A
Is
I
think
it's
good
of
any
of
a
note
to
wrap
this
segment
of
the
conversation
up
on
a
little
different
I
think
that
the
expectations
are
fairly
clear
on
the
part
of
both
the
working
group
and
the
new
subgroup
to
be
stood
up
board
members
and
staff.
So
we
appreciate
your
continued
engagement
on
this
and
I
know.
We'll
have
certainly
some
more
good
thinking
to
consider
at
the
time
of
adoption
with
regard
to
the
safety
placement
of
amenities
and
so
forth,
all
right
so
moving
on.
F
But
with
that
we
we
also
think
that
the
idea
of
an
arts
district
deserves
more
focused
study.
It
was
not
a
part
of
the
scope
of
this
study
to
work
out
the
details
of
what
an
Arts
District
is.
Although
we've
had
several
questions,
a
lots
of
discussion
about
what
might
be
incorporated
in
that,
and
certainly
we
want
to
keep
that
conversation
going.
F
Our
recommendations
are,
are
probably
the
following:
working
with
the
Arts
Commission,
an
arts
community
to
develop
a
strategy
for
expanding
arts
in
the
study
area,
evaluating
the
designation
of
an
arts
district
and
with
that
really
getting
into
the
the
details
of
what
in
arts
district
might
look
like
what
the
elements
within
it
might
be.
What
the
specific
geography
might
be
developing
a
marketing,
and/or
branding
strategy
determining
what
the
county's
involvement
in
in
such
an
entity
would
be.
Those
things
need
further
discussion
and
again
we
welcome
that
and
we
want
to
have
that
happen.
F
But
that
was
not
specifically
part
of
the
scope
of
this
this
study,
and
so
we
recommend
those
things
occur
as
a
follow
on
as
well.
We
would
look
at
what
implementation
tools
would
be
necessary,
including
zoning
ordinance
changes,
possibly,
and
certainly
we
would
seek
to
find
opportunities
to
incorporate
temporary
and
permanent
art
public
art
within
the
study
area
as
well.
So
I
think
that
we
certainly
again,
we
embrace
the
idea
of
an
Arts
District.
F
We
we
looked
at
an
area
generally
east
of
Walter,
E,
Drive
and
west
of
Nelson
Street
as
the
area
where
arts
should
be
encouraged
and
so
I
think
that
really
paralleled
the
conversation
and
the
input
that
we've
received
from
the
community
pretty
well
and
again,
the
specifics
of
that
Arts
District
and
what
specifically
of
the
boundaries
and
what's
the
character,
this
space?
Again,
it's
a
conversation.
F
We
wouldn't
we
welcome
as
a
follow-on
we
also
took,
and
we
made
an
effort
to
outline
what
could
possibly
and
what,
if
adopted,
should
happen
with
the
currently
owned
properties,
the
county's
owned
properties
within
a
two-block
area.
And
again
this
is
another
area
of
a
lot
of
discussion
and
a
lot
of
conflict
in
the
community.
Some
have
suggested
that,
in
keeping
with
existing
county
policy
that
these
Park,
these
parcels
be
used
for
open
space.
F
This
approach,
I
think,
preserves
the
industrial
zoning
and
uses
on
the
private
properties,
which
I
think
is
key
and
certainly
responds
to
again
input
that
we
receive
from
business
owners
and
the
general
the
working
group
and
a
general
at
a
community
as
well
the
county
properties.
We
would
recommend
continued
to
be
used,
as
is
for
the
time
being
until
a
long-range
plan
is
put
in
place
over
time.
We
would
then
convert
the
old
signature.
F
Our
considerations
for
our
recommendations,
certainly
the
recommendations
that
we
put
forth
are
consistent
with
the
public
spaces
master
plan.
It
provides
an
opportunity
to
concentrate
any
large
capital
investment
that
the
county
might
make
in
one
location
and
the
new
open
spaces
that
we
are
showing
would
be
planned
later,
but
couldn't
provide,
in
addition
to
recreation
potential
locations
for
public
art
potential
gathering
spaces.
F
We
talked
a
lot
about
how
the
arts
might
be
incorporated
and
existing
businesses
might
continue
to
remain
in
the
area,
but
we
we
certainly
haven't
talked
about
it-
haven't,
had
an
opportunity
to
create
the
people
spaces
within
that,
and
this
provides
that
opportunity.
This
these
locations
also
could
be
a
new
entry
or
gateway
feature
for
the
dog
park,
which
at
present
time
is
hidden
behind
the
existing
businesses
and
buildings
that
are
there.
So
we've
received
a
lot
of
feedback
throughout
the
process
and,
most
recently
in
our
discussions
and
review
of
the
policy
framework.
F
One
of
the
major
concerns
that
had
been
raised
throughout
the
process-
and
we
talked
about
it
somewhat
at
the
may
work
session-
was
the
privately
owned
businesses
within
the
park
planning
area.
Obviously,
taking
a
step
back,
we
defined
a
larger
part
planning
area
to
incorporate
the
three
parcels
that
the
county
owns
within
that
two
block
area
and
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
community,
especially
the
business
owners
who
were
concerned
about
the
impacts
that
to
their
businesses,
the
value
of
their
businesses,
etc.
F
F
There
was
some
suggestion
that
public
parking
could
be
located
on
the
warehouse
site
at
the
end
of
Oakland
Street.
There
are
some
safety
concerns
with
that,
but
certainly
that
was
a
recommendation
and
there
was
a
tremendous
concern
in
terms
of
the
signature
theater.
Building
that
it's
currently
used
is
a
facility
that
is
needed
for
their
operations
and
it
was
concerned
about
not
continuing
that
that
that
opportunity
and
use
for
them,
so
those
were
some
of
the
some
of
the
elements
that
we
we
heard
through
this
process
again.
F
A
B
You
know,
except
maybe
for
a
gazebo
or
you
know
a
shed
for
for
storage
equipment
or
something
other
people
note
that,
for
example,
in
the
current
CIP
there's
language
about
the
park,
master
plan
will
provide
the
opportunity
to
realign
existing
park
features
as
well
as
they
add
new
features
to
quote-
and
that
was
a
quote
earlier,
but
I'm
emphasizing
this
to
meet
the
growing
demand
for
active
recreation
and
cultural
resources
in
the
Shirlington
area.
So
what
does
cultural
resources
mean?
Does
it
mean
an
arts
district,
as
it
just
mean
a
you
know,
public
art?
B
F
Well,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
term
cultural
resources
can
be
defined
to
the
nth
degree.
That
gives
us
a
certainty
to
know
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing,
I
think
that
I
think
there's
a
number
of
ways
to
look
at
this
two-block
area
and
and
the
county's
parcels
and
what
they
contribute
to
it.
So
certainly
this,
as
you
mentioned,
on
the
one
hand,
these
buildings
could
be
preserved
or
rehabbed
or
used
in
some
way
that
contribute
to
arts
I.
F
Think
the
other
position
is
that
that
open,
space
or
recreation
or
unbuilt
space
certainly
contributes
to
that
as
well
and
I.
Think
that
it's
it's
a
matter
of
what
is
the
you
know,
the
question
is:
what
is
the
county's
commitment
and
how
you
know
how
we
want
to
use
the
county's
resources
to
get
to
achieve
a
vision
that
is
within
our
means.
A
and
B
creates
the
the
place
that
we
want
to
create
so
I
think
from
a
placemaking
standpoint
from
a
fiscal
standpoint,
there
are
a
number
of
positives
to
what
staff
has
put
forward.
A
H
F
F
Otherwise
there
are
a
number
of
upgrades
that
would
be
needed
to
make
those
buildings
habitable
for
again,
depending
on
the
type
of
use
you
want
to
want
it
to
implement
there.
So
there
there's
going
to
be
some
cost
just
to
keep
it.
You
know,
keep
the
roof
up
and
keep
the
the
windows
operating
and
what-have-you
there
I
don't
know
what
the
state
of
the
mechanical
systems
are.
We
haven't
gone
to
that
level
of
detail
just
from
a
hope
from
the
standpoint
of
holding
properties
and
I.
H
A
K
Just
gonna
make
it
common
the
same
issue.
Could
we
see
slide
33
all
right
put
up
there?
So
when
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
this
potential,
Arts
District,
what
we're
talking
about
is
that
little
square
at
the
end
right,
the
green
down
to
the
to
the
blue
means
kind
of
a
sort
of
a
squares
that
one
we're
talking
when
we
say
Arts
District.
What
do
we
mean
actually.
F
The
district
is
as
large
as
we
would
want
to
make
it
right
and
that's
something:
that's
undetermined,
but
the
conversation
that
we've
had
with
the
working
group
they
have
some
who
say
the
the
district
is
concentrated
within
this
two
block
area.
Some
who
say
you
know
and
staffs
recommendation
that
some
something
broader
than
that,
and
so
we've
shaded
this
purple
area,
which
goes
from
Walter
Reed
to
Nelson
Street.
So
it's
this
broader
area
that
we
would
be
encouraging
arts
within
and,
as
mr.
F
K
Then
so,
then,
what
we're
talking
about
is
all
the
purple
up
there
there
any
anything.
It's
not
so
for
the
purposes
of
discussion.
I
know
this
is
where
some
visit
I
would
be
very
comfortable,
making
that
all
purple
and
putting
it
in
there-
and
maybe
we
call
it
I,
don't
know
if
the
labeling
gets
in
to
zoning
issues.
But
to
me
it
feels
like
it's
a
business
or
a
commercial
recreational
arts
district
which
kind
of
encompasses
everything
except
and
even
there's
some
parks.
Do
you
say
recreational
someday?
Maybe,
but
it
seems
like
it's
so
different.
K
What
we're
talking
about
there
with
the
park
and
and
some
of
the
battle
is
that
folks
that
have
the
park
want
to
pull
it
into
the
park
and
people
that
are
there
want
to
pull
it
out
and
for
me
right
now,
I'm
comfortable,
pulling
it
out
of
the
Strictly
Park
discussion
and
making
it
clear
that
we're
talking
about
something
different
there.
That's
something
I
manage
I'd,
be
fine
with
I.
A
You
know
I,
certainly
think
I
am
interested
in
hearing
more
about
some
of
the
potential
uses
for
the
public
publicly
held
properties
in
the
two-block
area.
I
share
mr.
Dorsey's
sense
that
it
feels
very
premature
to
say
anything
about
an
Arts
District
designation
beyond
we'd,
like
to
learn
more
I
would
associate
myself
with
a
point
of
view
that
I
would
like
to
learn
more
about
what
that
could
mean.
A
I
think
you
know
the
presentation,
reference
implementation
tools,
if
we're
talking
about
zoning,
that
might
be
one
thing
if
we're
talking
about
incentives
that
might
be
a
different
I,
am
at
this
time
willing
to
say
that
I
am
very
open
to
hearing
more
I'm,
certainly
not
tonight
prepared
to
change
the
categorization
of
anything.
Nor
would
I
think
that
be
appropriate
at
this
time.
A
F
B
B
Yet
I
guess
where
the
focus
is
still
on
the
arts,
but
but
so
the
question
for
me
is
and
then
I
would
really
like
staff
input
on
is
we've
already
got
3,700,
which
has
we
literally
dozens
of
arts,
components
and
cultural
resources
within
the
four
corners
of
that
building?
We
have
the
old
signature
building.
We
have
two
warehouses
so
as
as,
as
you
said,
there's
already
an
arts
district
there
or
less.
So
the
part
of
the
question
for
me
is:
do
we
build
on
that?
B
Do
we
leverage
that,
or
is
there
a
better
place
for
their
up
four-mile
run
across
on
Shirlington,
Road
or
not,
and
I?
Guess
I
would
like
a
more
fulsome
discussion
from
staff
in
the
coming
weeks
is
to
if,
if
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
agree
that
there
ought
to
be
cultural
resources
in
in
the
planning
area,
where
should
it
be?
Does
it
make
sense
to
build
on
what
we
have
and
and
not
not
take
those
down,
or
does
it
make
sense
to
put
them
somewhere
else
and
how
feasible
is
that?
K
I'll
make
another
run
at
it.
I
think
I've
heard
several.
My
colleagues
say
at
least
they're
comfortable,
taking
the
businesses
out
and
I'm.
Also
taking
private
property
is
gonna,
stay
private
property
and,
as
far
as
moving
forward
I
think
we're
all
interested
in
hearing
more
I
am
my
own
sense
is
that
this
is
sort
of
growing
into
an
Arts
District
on
its
own
and
I'm
fine,
with
doing
some
encouraging
I'm,
not
as
interested
right
now
and
putting
a
whole
lot
of
funds
into
it.
K
D
I'm
glad
you
have
this
illustration
up
here,
because
I
think
it
sort
of
crystallizes
the
concerns
many
people
have
on
this
issue
and
I
will
point
out
again
that
working
group
voted
almost
three
to
one
against
the
staff
recommendation
in
favor
of
our
own
work
committee
report.
And
it's
because
this
illustration
basically
indicates
the
signature.
Theater
will
be
torn,
that
annex
will
be
torn
down.
The
warehouses
will
be
torn
down
and
3,700,
even
though
what
everyone's
talking
about
all
we
need
a
community
facility
there.
D
L
D
Know
all
these
decisions
need
to
be
deferred
until
this
discussion
that
we've
talked
about
really
taking
the
Arts
Commission
to
take
the
lead
on
that
takes
effect,
but
by
bit
by
saying
that
we're
going
to
we
there
is
going
to
be
open
space
at
where
signature
theater
is
is,
is
a
decision
that
that
leads
you
a
certain
way
and
I.
Also
think,
though,
that
there's
kind
of
a
we're
all
talking
like
arts
and
Parks
can't
coexist.
We
can't
do
the
same.
We
can't
do
they
can't
help
each
other.
D
They
can't
one
of
the
ideas
have
come
up,
for
example,
at
the
big
storage
unit
on
the
side
at
the
back
of
the
purple
area
there
they
we
talked
to
them
about
showing
some
movies,
putting
a
big
movie
screen
showing
movies
in
the
summer
where
people
sit
in
the
park
and
they're
really
excited
about
the
idea.
Mike
cut
Ravana's
from
the
breweries
been
doing
some
work
on
that.
So
there
are
ways
that
arts
and
Parks
can
coexist.
You
know
you
could
open.
Space
could
be
plazas
where
performances
happen.
D
H
H
Maybe
that's
a
way
to
move
forward
a
little
bit
because
I
agree
with
you.
Mr.
Montfort,
conceptually
I
can
see
a
way
in
which
an
arts,
district
and
multiple
arts
uses
work
harmoniously
with
open
space,
maybe
perhaps
not
on
those
particular
parcels,
but
in
a
way
that
still
makes
a
whole
lot
of
sense
and
I
would
hate
for
us
to
lose
that
opportunity.
B
B
At
the
same
time,
if
we
decide
the
answer
is
no
that
there's
not
a
better
place
for
an
Arts
District,
then
I
think
it
also
behooves
us
to
ask
the
question
where,
if
we're
not
giving
those
buildings
over
to
green
space,
whether
it's
active
or
passive,
is
there
an
opportunity
elsewhere
in
the
planning
area
to
find
new
green
space,
which
we
know
is
at
a
premium
all
over?
So
can
we
add
green
space
further
up
four
mile
run
over
over
at
area
D
or
where.
P
Need
a
little
help
here,
because
I'm
sort
of
lost
from
where,
where
we
came
from
in
terms
of
the
old
concept
Maps
earlier
in
the
slide
back,
you
talked
about
sort
of
the
old
way
of
looking
at
it
and
then
slide.
21
has
a
new
future
land-use
map
and
another
way
to
ask
that.
Is
there
a
do?
You
have
a
slide
that
has
this
version
blown
out
to
show
the
whole
planning
area.
P
And
that's
the
one
on
online
that
it
comes
up
blank
for
some
reason
in
the
PDF.
So
that's
okay!
So
that
answers
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
but
this
doesn't
show
the
parks.
Okay,
so
can
you
go
to
21
actually
cuz?
This
is
what
would
be.
This
is
what
is
recommended.
Ultimately,
it
would
be
as
a
giraffe
version
of
what
would
be
in
the
in
the
document
itself
that
the
policy
document
that
we
would
adopt.
P
F
P
So
the
here's
here's
my
thoughts
in
maybe
no
particular
order
I
think
first,
and
what
is
very
easy
for
me
to
say
is,
and
it's
not
on
this
map,
it's
on
the
actually
that's
kind
of
on
this
map
too.
Isn't
it
I
see
that
now
is
the
the
orange
line
that
indicates
the
parks,
master
plan,
boundary
I
think
moving
that
to
clearly
eliminate
this
to
block
area.
That's
in
question,
so
basically
you
have
Jenny
Dean
and
you've
got
the
dog
park.
That
to
me
is
is
virtually
a
no-brainer.
P
L
P
I
make
one
statement
in
support
of
that.
My
colleagues
here,
which
is
earlier
today,
we
had
a
discussion
about
how
would
you
one
of
our
criteria
being
to
fill
in
and
create
into
normalized
I?
Think
was
the
term
to
normalize
our
parts
and
make
you
know
where
you
have
these
parcels.
This
to
me,
is
the
reverse
of
that,
where
we
have
the
Signature
Theatre
there
and
the
warehouse
site,
it's
forgive
me,
but
almost
literally
a
sore
thumb
sticking
out
just
when
you
look
at
the
green
on
the
map.
P
So
for
that
reason
alone,
I
am
comfortable
taking
it
out
of
the
Gini
Dean
planning
area.
But
yes,
we
got
to
then
need
a
process
to
figure
out.
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
it,
but
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
we
want
to
have
a
future
land
use
map
that
makes
sense
where
we
are
we're
not
holding
on
to
the
vestiges
of
an
idea.
P
I
think
that
when
these
properties
were
acquired,
that
now
no
longer
applies
because
I
think
the
original
intent
was
that
Jenny
Dean
would
support
what
would
spread
all
the
way
to
take
over
these
two.
These
two
blocks,
I
think
we're
very
clear.
That's
not
gonna
happen
and
I'm,
certainly
very
comfortable.
If
that
was
not
very
clear.
I
am
very
comfortable
me
personally,
saying:
I
have
no
interest
in
expanding
Jenny
Dean
any
further
past.
That's
Nelson,
Street,
right,
yeah,
past
Nelson,
Street
past,
where
we've
all
of
the
planning
we
talked
about
earlier
tonight.
A
I,
just
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
to
divorce
that
conversation
from
the
ongoing
sort
of
swirl
that
will
try
to
make
sense
of
shortly
about
the
arts
district.
So
if
you
wouldn't
mind
pausing,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
see
if
that's
an
area
of
direction
for
for
the
board
from
my
part,
I
believe
that's
consistent
with
what
we
weighed
in
to
say
last
May
as
well.
Well,.
B
A
K
H
Tent
that
changing
the
color
coding
doesn't
create
the
expectation,
on
the
other
end
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
here,
and
that
is
if
we
take
away
that
designation,
what
is
it
and
how
do
then?
We
account
for
a
desire
clearly
articulate
a
desire,
these
coming
from
a
substantial
number
of
people
in
the
community
for
some
more
space
dedicated
to
open
space
as
part
of
this
planning.
So
just
simply
changing
the
map
outlines
doesn't
really
accomplish
long.
That's.
A
B
B
How
do
you
see
that
for
closing
or
or
informing
or
not
what
ultimately
happens
on
those
parcels?
In
other
words,
in
your
view,
would
we
would
we,
with
the
board,
still
have
the
flexibility
to
say
you
know
what
those
warehouses
are
ready
to
fall
down?
Let's
turn
him
into
a
plaza
or
green
space,
or
not
so
that.
P
That
would
my
next
point
would
be
that
we
take
this
map
and
that
the
green
sore
thumb
would
be
made.
We
would
give
direction
to
the
workgroup
and
staff
to
look
at
should
the
green
sore
thumb
become
either
blue
community
facility
open
space
just
like
3700,
or
go
ahead
and
make
it
the
fuchsia
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
Industrial
service,
commercial,
public
arts,
flex,
industrial
retail
I
think
that
the
group
should
look
at
that
and
explore
that
and
should
come
back
with
their
recommendation
of
what
they
think
is
most
appropriate.
P
But
absolutely
we
we
would
retain
ownership.
We
would
retain
the
option
under
either
of
those
scenarios
to
look
at
what
what
is
the
best
future
use
of
that
site.
But
we
would
we
would
be
indicating
and
I
think
I
do
want
to
make
this
point,
because
I
think
it
is
absolutely
very,
very
important
and
critical.
We
got
the
letter
from
the
the
Business
Association.
P
That's
just
been
recently
stood
up
that
that
Mike
reviving
us
wrote
that
may
the
very
important
point
that,
as
they're
going
on
about
their
business
they've
already,
we've
got
lots
of
business
owners
that
have
been
there
for
generations.
New
business
owners
that
are
getting
there,
they're
investing
private
equity
for
us
to
take
for
granted.
P
What
that
means
that
what
it
takes
there
are
lots
of
communities
that
fight
to
try
to
get
folks
to
come
in
and
make
these
kinds
of
investments
that
are
trying
to
we're
frankly
trying
to
do
that
in
other
parts
of
the
county.
We're
trying
to
do
that
on
the
pike
for
us
to
take
for
granted
what
is
already
happening
and
going
on
here
and
not
and
and
risk
mucking
it
up.
P
I
think
is
is
is
something
that
I
want
no
part
of
quite
frankly,
and
so
I
am
advocating
passionately
that
we
need
to
make
it
clear.
It's
not
always
about
what
everybody
around
this
table
or
everybody
in
this
room
understands
or
knows
where
we're
going.
There
are
realities
of
when
people
are
thinking
about.
Do
I
want
to
lease
this
space
and
they
look
at
it
and
they
see
a
green.
P
They
see
that
they're
surrounded
by
the
green
sort
of
thumb
they
say
well,
I,
don't
want
to
be
here
because
I
I
might
get
kicked
out
in
in
in
a
few
in
a
few
years.
We
have
to
recognize
that
we
actions
that
we
take
these
plans
that
we
adopt,
they
can
incentivize
investment
and
they
can
dis.
Incentivize
investment,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
muck
up
what
a
good
thing
that
we
already
have
going
here.
O
B
Know
you're
talking
like
a
prosecutor
and
I
think
you've
won
your
case,
but
so
so
I
complete,
you
know
and
I.
The
the
other
letter
I
think,
which
is
very
informative,
was
that
we've
heard
from
the
Arlington
Chamber
of
Commerce,
who
spoke
very
compellingly
on
behalf
of
these
small
businesses,
many
of
whom
employ
immigrants
folks
without
even
high
school
diplomas,
and
giving
them
a
great
leg
up
in
America.
But
again,
I
want
to
completely
agree
with
respect
to
the
private
businesses.
B
B
P
P
We
have
a
mr.
Vyse
that,
in
my
view,
that
this
is
a
question
that
we
were
kicking
back
to
the
workgroup
and
we
let
the
workgroup
come
back
with
some
their
recommendation
about
about
what
is
the
best
way
to
signal
that
we
want
some
flexibility
on
that
space.
But
we
are,
it
is
right
now
it
is
read
as
it's
a
foregone
conclusion
that
those
buildings
will
one
day
come
down.
A
Really
really
appreciate
the
fashion
here
and
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
as
a
group
get
to
a
point
of
addressing
some
concerns
that
I
know
some
folks
in
this
room
walked
in
with
I
think
actually,
despite
the
the
swirl
here
that
that
it's
actually
clear
what
our
questions
are,
we
would
like
to
know
what
is
the
zoning
category
or
land
use
key
here
category
they
can
be
designated
that
will
preserve
flexibility
for
us
to
consider
the
best
potential
public
uses
of
these
county
facility
sites.
I.
A
Think
we're
all
agreed
on
that
I
think
it's
premature
for
us
to
decide
that
now
and
I
think
staff
has
done
some
work
already.
There
is
additional
work
that
will
inform
this,
and
so
I
think
we
do
want
to
preserve
flexibility
at
the
time
of
adoption
to
allow
a
further
study
of
an
arts
district
to
do.
I
think
that
we
have
heard
is
mr.
Vyse
that
well
put
that
there
is
a
desire
to
see
to
think
about
these
two
blocks
in
context
of
the
rest
of
the
corridor.
A
I
Arts
district
committee
frankly
addressed
many
of
the
items
that
that
you
all
have
been
bringing
up
and
that's
why
the
committee
voted
such
by
such
a
large
margin
that
we
wanted
to
see
the
recommendations
from
the
arts
district
committee
incorporated
into
the
into
the
framework.
So
when
we
discuss
development,
we
discuss
the
financial
issues,
we
discussed
the
mission
we
discuss
what
it
would
look
like.
We
discussed
how
all
these
items,
the
businesses,
the
arts,
the
environment,
are
all
incorporated
together
within
an
area
of
an
arts
district,
and
we
defined
an
arts
district.
I
H
H
This
is
an
open
question
to
the
chair
and
the
co-chairs
is
this
an
issue
where
you've
done
all
you
can
do
and
should
it
now
be
with
the
board
to
figure
out
how
to
reflect
all
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
and
I
think
we
should
accept
that
if
it's
the
latter
and
then
we
we
work
it
out
and
then
present
something
back,
but
it
may
not
be
useful
to
send
everyone
back
to
work
to
incorporate
all
of
our
feedback.
We.
D
Do
have
a
meeting
scheduled
for
the
6th
of
March
to
go
over
this
work.
Talking
about
that
then
and
I
think
we
could
comment
on
which
color
coding,
which
future
land-use
category
would
best
preserve
the
flexibility
to
allow
the
counties
who
go
back
to
open
space
or
to
build
open
space.
While
this
study
goes
under
way
that
the
Arts
Commission,
the
staff
is
recommended
about
whether
and
how
to
create
an
Arts,
District
I
think
the.
A
We
do
again
a
little
bit
of
a
broken
record
here,
but
we
do
have
other
stakeholders
who
will
engage
during
this
process
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
Let
me
ask
staff
if
this
leaves
you
all.
This
is
a
little
different,
I
think
than
the
recommendation
you've
presented
to
us.
Do
you
feel,
like
you,
have
the
clear
direction
you
need
from
us
to
continue
to
bring
forward
something
that
we
can
do
an
RTA
for
in
April
and
then
vote
on
in
May,
I?
Think.
A
Good
all
right,
we
do,
it
is
nine
o'clock.
We
have
one
more
issue,
although
I
think
is
probably
not
I
may
live
to
eat
those
words
but
I
think
perhaps
not
quite
as
challenging,
at
least
in
terms
of
the
the
areas
for
board
feedback
so
on
to
parking.
Mr.
cooker
fee
has
been
so
patient
while
we
waited
to
get
to
the
chief
question.
A
P
Q
Until
recently,
we
were
calling
safety
and
access
a
road
diet.
However,
this
is
really
more
of
a
reallocation,
we're
not
really
losing
anything
or
reallocating.
As
far
as
the
we
had
two
basic
goals
here,
the
first
goal
was
to
increase
the
parking
supply
and
we
would
do
this
by
maximizing
the
on
street
options.
Our
second
goal
was
to
improve
pedestrian
connectivity
with
that
the
transportation
recommendations
in
the
framework
are
in
three
phases.
Q
The
first
phase
is
what
we're
calling
proactive
that
would
occur
within
one
year,
and
this
would
be
to
complete
the
parking
analysis
of
the
area
near
Jenny
Dean
Park.
Today
there
is
a
mix
of
regulations,
it
differs
block
by
block
certain
blocks,
have
metered
parking
on
one
side
and
unregulated
parking
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
and
it's
literally
a
whole
mix
of
commercial
and
non-commercial
meter
restrictions
different
times
different
places.
This
would
be
really
to
streamline
and
simplify
the
regulations
and
also
to
promote
turnover.
Q
Q
Second,
aspect
of
this
is
what
we're
calling
a
midterm.
This
would
be
two
to
three
years.
The
midterm
would
basically
work
with
the
or
it
would
be
scheduled
with
the
park
improvements,
and
with
that
we
would
test
in
the
midterm
a
three
lane
configuration
today.
We
have
two
lanes
eastbound
two
lanes
westbound.
This
would
be
a
three
lane
which
would
have
a
lane
in
each
direction
and
a
center
turn.
Q
Q
We
want
a
quality
sidewalk,
really
from
Shirlington
Road,
all
the
way
to
Walter
Reed
the
long
term,
and
this
would
be
five
years
plus
we
would
repave
and
a
look
at
additional
parking
from
Nelson
to
the
west,
so
this
would
complete
the
parking
options
and
also
we'd
like
to
explore
a
sidewalk
on
what
we're
calling
the
north
side
or
on
the
Regional
Park
authority
side.
Now
we
have
talked
with
this
before
five
ten
15
years
ago.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Through
the
process,
we've
had
a
lot
of
feedback
and
in
fact
we
just
have
a
couple
bullet
points
here,
but
we
could
literally
have
pages
and
many
of
the
many
of
the
items
that
we
receive
feedback.
You
know
we've
modified
some
of
our
recommendations.
The
first
item
is
the
recommended
short
term.
This
is
the
improvements
we
would
make
within
the
next
year.
The
parking
improvements
to
be
implemented
prior
to
installing
any
long
term
lane
reconfiguration.
It
would
really
be
to
evaluate
that
and
what
we
said
before
is
absolutely.
We
would
study
that
and
evaluate
that.
Q
We
know
what's
going
on
today
and
certainly
after
we
implement
this
in
one
year,
we
would
evaluate
that
would
really
Drive
any
near-term
or
long-term
decisions.
As
far
as
the
second
bullet
point,
there
have
been
several
detailed
design,
related
concerns
and
he's
really
focused
on
truck
turns
truck
deliveries.
This
is
very
important
to
the
area
and
also
the
impact
of
parking
overflow
on
the
neighborhoods,
as
we
get
further
into
the
plan
actually
away
from
the
framework
and
more
into
the
details.
This
would
be
analyzed,
and
certainly
things
like
overflow
to
the
neighborhood.
Q
K
I,
just
would
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
how
much
you
sort
of
talk
with
all
of
the
businesses.
I
mean
I.
Think
some
of
these
parking
spaces
may
be
really
important
for
the
people
who
are
using
them
for
their
livelihoods.
I'm,
not
sure
who
those
folks
are
and
how
important
that
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
do
something,
even
short-term,
that
really
completely
disrupts
somebody's
life
or
business.
So
talk
to
me
a
little
more
about
how
you're
sort
of
checking
that
out
before
you
even
try
that
we're.
Q
Q
That
the
short-term
is
an
initiative.
That's
going
on
now
it's
it's
sort
of
it's
not
actually
part
of
the
park
plan
or
the
area
plan.
So
it
is
an
initiative
we
have
in
des
transportation,
it's
sort
of
a
parallel
activity
with
that
we
will
work
with
the
businesses,
realizing
that
a
lot
of
the
businesses
rely
rely
heavily
on
the
parking
outside.
We
realize
that
today,
well.
K
Q
A
Q
N
Can
give
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
process,
so
we
actually
conducted
occupancy
study
in
March
of
2017
and
thanks
to
the
working
group.
Let
me
start
by
saying
parking
is
a
passionate
topic
in
Arlington
and
we've
received
community
feedback
in
this
area
even
before
this
planning
process
is
ongoing,
but
the
working
group
and
the
planning
team
has
helped
us
to
get
concentrated
feedback.
So,
based
on
that,
we
decided
to
look
at
the
from
our
Shirlington
to
Oakland
this
entire
area,
including
the
school
to
block
area
about
the
parking
spaces.
N
There
are
more
than
130
parking
spaces
and,
yes,
they
are
under
different
parking
management
plan.
We've
heard
from
the
working
group
that
you
desire
a
more
uniformed
management
plan,
but
we
also
realize
to
serve
different
needs.
There
may
be
a
necessity
to
have
different
plan
because
you
may
have
people
that's
visiting
short-term
and
they
they
desire
a
quick
turnaround
and
you
may
have
industry
the
shop
owners
that
want
to
used
Astra
parking
for
other
purpose.
N
N
We
know
the
working
group
has
largely
represented
the
community,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
capture
all
voices,
which
is
why
we
are
not
at
this
point
giving
out
any
you
know
recommendation
we
want
to
be
cautious,
we
do
have
data
and
we
have
some
preliminary
recommendation
we're
looking
at
and
we
will
process
with
the
community
engagement
and
to
reach
a
conclusion.
I.
A
Apologize
I
need
a
little
bit
more
clarification
about
what
it
is
that
staff
needs
from
the
board.
At
this
point
I,
my
understanding
actually
was
that
we
were
talking
about
a
set
of
proposals
that
might
be
fleshed
out
and
brought
to
us
as
part
of
the
area
plan.
Adoption.
This
other
effort,
that's
underway,
I,
think,
sounds
really
interesting.
A
I'm
delighted
to
hear
of
the
expensive
engagement
the
way
you've
been
able
to
draw
on
the
expertise
and
perspectives
of
the
working
group,
but
is
there
some
direction,
that's
needed
here
from
the
board,
or
will
there
be
some
direction
that
is
voted
on
as
part
of
the
area
plan?
If
someone
could
possibly
weigh
in
an
edifice
of
that
mr.
Mountford
biome,
you.
D
One
issue:
last
May:
we
raised
the
issue
of
parking
and
whether
the
county
board
wanted
the
working
group
and
the
staff
to
continue
looking
at
surface
parking
versus
parking
structures.
You
all
were
very
clear.
You
said
yes,
current
policy
is
maximize
use
of
surface
parking
before
you
put
the
structures,
but
there
has
been
some
pushback
lately
by
some
members
of
the
working
group
that
we
should
revisit
the
issue
of
parking
garages
in
the
parking
structure.
I
see.
K
A
H
A
I
see
no
interest
so
I
think
to
the
extent
the
working
group
felt
that
was
an
open
question
we
can
perhaps
close
it
I
will
think.
Then
our
des
representatives
I
think
it's
very
helpful
to
get
an
update
if
there
any
further
questions
for
the
work
that
they're
doing
to
explore
the
on
street
parking
management.
B
Thank
you.
My
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
really
good
back
and
forth
with
respect
to
pedestrian
safety.
You
know
that
that's
that's
really.
One
of
the
cardinal
things
that
we're
looking
to
improve
along
four
mile
run
is
to
make
it
conducive
to
visitors
and
to
shopkeepers
and
customers,
and
so
forth
and
nearby
residents
alike,
so
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
your
thoughts
about
sidewalks,
curbs
crossings,
signalization
and
so
forth,
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
experience.
Q
P
Q
As
far
as
we
looked
at
parking
options
for
Nelson
and
Oakland,
it
was
thought
that
the
angled
parking
really
would
impact,
not
only
the
basically
that
the
traffic
operations
you
have
there
today,
it's
very
complicated
with
a
lot
of
trucks
and
deliveries,
but
also
with
the
the
right-of-way
there's,
not
a
lot
of
right-of-way.
There.
P
Q
Q
P
A
Well,
I
think
we'll
then
look
forward
to
during
our
public
comment
period,
more
input
from
the
community,
the
business
owners
and
others,
and
we'll
look
forward
to
hearing
what
you
find
in
your
conversations
as
well
about
meeting
the
demand
for
the
district
I
think
that
was
a
good
way
to
put
it
mr.
Getchell.
That
would
wrap
up
our
final
issue.
I
did
promise
to
leave
time,
although
recognizing
we're
over
it
for
anything
else
brought
to
us
we've.
There
are
a
couple
of
sub
areas
we
haven't
covered
at
all,
I.
A
Think,
echoing
the
comment
from
our
chair
and
vice-chair
earlier.
That's
because
actually
there
were
some
areas
of
consensus
among
the
working
group
members,
but
if
things
came
up
either
in
their
presentation
or
in
the
staff
presentation,
colleagues
that
we
wanted
to
inform
ourselves
of
or
ask
follow-up
questions
before
we
see
this
again
as
a
formal
item
for
board
action,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that
now.
I
With
sub
area
D,
what's
coming
up
in
particular,
was
what
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
is.
It
would
be
helpful
to
hear
from
you
what
your
anticipation
is
for
that
area.
Or
what
do
you
really
want
to
see?
So
we
certainly
have
an
understanding,
or
we
think
we
have
an
understanding
that
that
area
should
remain
industrial
and
the
community
is
fine
with
that
we're
now
putting
mixed-use
in
front
of
it
along
charlington,
Road
and
again,
that's
fine.
The
question
that
we
have
is:
is
that
viable?
I
First
of
all,
is
it
viable
to
have
the
mixed-use
along
that
area,
because
we
know
that
the
Nok
revitalization
area,
which
has
been
planned
or
was
it
in
2004
2000
year?
2004
has
gone
nowhere
since
that
time,
so
now
we're
adding
additional
density
to
it
and
that
might
make
it
successful,
but
we
just
don't
know
the
other
part
that
we
don't
know
is
by
putting
in
this
mix
use.
I
How
are
we
changing
the
character
of
the
community,
so
we
are
basically
raising
the
prices
of
the
community
in
very
general
sense,
I,
don't
mean
just
residential
I'm.
Actually,
not
at
this
point
talking
about
affordable
housing,
we're
just
talking
about
the
fabric
of
this
community
is
going
to
change.
We
want
to
know
from
an
economic
standpoint.
What
does
that
mean?
Can
we
expect
this
to
be
again
be
viable?
What
is
viable
mean,
and
do
you
want
an
industrial
area,
or
is
this
mixed-use
development
going
to
take
the
place
of
an
industrial
area
over
time
too?.
B
A
And
if
I
could
maybe
put
a
finer
point
on
it,
I
I
mean
there
I
think
what
miss
Adler
talked
about
is
to
some
extent
anytime.
You
talk
about
a
development
or
redevelopment
effort.
It
is
always
that
balance
right.
We
talked
about
this
on
the
pike
and
Lee
highway,
all
the
time
as
well
between
what
we
might
like
to
vision
and
what
market
forces
will
likely
result
in
I
would
be
interested
in
staffs.
Take
on
how
do
we?
What
principles
do
we
generally
bring
to
that
sort
of
question
and
planning?
A
Fair
enough
I'm
going
to
keep
the
question
to
staff
a
little
more
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
most
ideological
question
right
for
us
to
wrestle
with
this
board
members,
along
with
the
working
group,
but
I
do
want
to
hear
from
staff
about
how
you
bring
to
bear
that
sort
of
Economic
Analysis
to
match,
with
the
planning
to
determine
the
feasibility
of
realizing.
The
planning
conditions
were
adopted.
F
One
of
the
things
if
we
go
back
to
the
NOC
plan,
the
the
where
the
boundary
line
was
drawn
was
at
the
at
the
rear
end
of
the
properties
and
those
properties
are
quite
narrow,
and
so
the
potential
for
redevelopment
within
you
know
along
the
lines
of
what
the
novel
plan
call
for,
is
fairly
difficult.
So
what
we're
proposing
allows
for
a
logical
build-out
of
a
buildable
site
in
the
in
that
general
area,
so,
what's
allowed
within
the
NOC
plan,
it
makes
it
somewhat
difficult.
F
What
that
means,
though,
for
severity
or
for
the
remainder
sub
area
D,
since
our
recommendation
there
is
that
the
uses
stay
the
same,
and
the
zoning
say
the
same
that
those
industrial
type
uses
would
continue
in
the
remainder
of
the
large
site
there,
the
DC
rental
site
and
for
the
hotel
site
that
the
potential
for
that
site
is
either
residential
or
hotel.
So
there's
no
in
our,
in
our
view,
there's
no
impact
or
a
no
change
to
those
parcels.
B
Well,
I
would
just
say
from
my
perspective,
I
think
you
know:
we've
talked
at
great
length
and
is
observed
by
many
others.
You
know
it's
really
the
Buc
property
and
and
the
Four
Mile
Run
corridor
or
valley
that
you
know
the
last
two
industrial
sites
in
the
entire
county.
There's
a
lot
of
literature
that
says
in
order
to
have
a
truly
sustainable
community,
we
need
to
have
a
significant
component
of
light
industrial.
B
That's
certainly
the
perspective
I
think
of
many
in
the
community.
So
my
perspective
is
yes
that
we
need
to
keep
it
light
industrial
and
do
what
we
can
to
it
to
improve
it
in
in
all
the
aspects
that
we've
talked
about.
You
know
and
at
the
same
time,
when
you
talk
about
increasing
density,
you
know
will
are
I.
Think
one
of
the
concerns
is
that
will
our
does
our
street
network
and
our
transportation
system
accommodate
or
Canada
accommodate
increased
density.
B
F
You
may
recall
we
certainly
have
changed
our
the
ideas
related
to
sub
area
D.
The
the
original
one
of
the
original
concepts
was
a
broader
redevelopment
scenario
where
everything
north
of
the
access
road
could
potentially
be
of
a
mixed-use
mid-rise
nature,
and
certainly
with
our
certainly
the
input
that
we've
gotten
from
the
the
working
group
in
the
broader
community.
There
was
some
some
reticence
to
go
that
route.
F
B
A
P
Thank
you
to
the
extent
that
the
question
is
rather
and
how
this
would
continue
to
be.
Have
the
em1
industrial
zone
I
think
absolutely
I.
We
have
to
maintain
these
these
industrial
uses.
It
is
as
mr.
Vyse
that
just
pointed
out
for
us
from
a
sustainability
point
of
view,
from
a
an
equity
point
of
view
in
terms
of
the
jobs
in
the
county
and
and
our
local
economic
base.
P
However,
I
will
share
with
you
that
I
actually
reject
the
notion
that
it's
either/or
I
think
in
Clarendon
we
have
above
the
rather
below
the
historic
post
office
and
the
residential
tower
there.
We
have
a
major
postal
processing
facility,
that's
entirely
underground.
A
lot
of
people,
don't
even
know
that
it's
there
it
does
it's
it's
the
equivalent
of
an
industrial
use
right
in
the
heart
of
and
works
just
fine
works.
Great
actually
I
had
the
opportunity
to
tour
the
American
service
center
facility
in
Ballston.
P
It's
very
high-tech,
major,
a
whole
lot
of
Auto
Body
and
other
auto
repair
work
being
done,
they're
all
in
a
ventilated,
highly
well-lit
environment.
They
have
two
levels
to
it,
but
again
and
as
I
was
touring,
it
I
even
made
the
comment.
This
could
just
as
easily
be
underground
as
it
is
above
ground
and
they
agreed
with
me.
So
the
fact
that
I
mean
I
would
not
look
kindly
on
I.
P
A
H
Just
to
gild
the
lily,
you
know,
I
think
that,
where
staff
is
hitting,
it
is
exactly
right
to
make
sure
we
don't
create
an
incentive
where
industrial
uses
are
premature
to
their
market
evolution
driven
out
of
an
area
for
redevelopment
incentives,
while
at
the
same
time
providing
some
guidance
in
the
event,
those
naturally
change
over,
where
something
else
can
be
done,
according
to
a
property
owners
needs
and
I
would
just
add.
You
know.
A
lot
of
our
conversation
about
industrial
uses
is
based
on
industrial
uses
that
occur
today,
but
as
mr.
H
We've
got
Arlington
Tech,
which
is
developing
the
next
generation
of
students
who
may
be
in
fact
the
entrepreneurs
in
an
advanced
manufacturing
economy
will
be
great
if
they
had
a
community
like
Arlington
and
at
least
provided
an
opportunity
for
them
to
get
their
start
here.
So
long
answer
to
your
your
very
simple
question
is
yes,
we
should
and
I
think
staff
is
hitting
the
right
spot
in
order
to
make
it
happen.
K
I'll,
just
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
by
my
colleagues.
I
will
add
I
forget
which
one
of
us
it
was
that
said,
if
we
could
do
a
little
more
with
nog
branch,
I
really
I
know
it's
hard
because
it's
so
you
know
in
the
mobile
even
knows
it's
there,
but
it
is
and
I
just
think,
with
some
imagination.
We
could
do
something
with
that
and
then
I
had
the
pleasure
of
attending
Lomax
AME
Zion
Church
is
anniversary
celebration.
You
know
the
church
has
been
there
for
almost
100
years.
K
The
cemetery
for
125,
it's
just
that
is
a
real
gem
in
there
I'm
thinking.
As
far
as
talk
about
mixed-use
and
a
wonderful
sort
of
walkable
area,
that's
a
real
gem
that
I
think
we
could
probably
do
a
lot.
You
know
it's
and
there's
some
other
churches,
obviously
in
there
in
the
area
as
well.
So
I
think
you
know
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
still
do
and
so
and
as
you
could
we're
all
real
interested
in
area
D.
A
Right
I
think
on
that
note,
we'll
go
ahead
and
wrap
up
I'm
mindful
of
Churchill's
quote.
This
is
not
the
end
nor
the
beginning
of
the
end.
It
is
the
end
of
the
beginning,
so
or
perhaps
the
middle
of
the
middle.
We
have
many
conversations
so
to
be
had
and
I
appreciate
those
who
have
done
a
lot
of
work
to
get
us
to
this
place.
A
We
are
very
grateful
to
the
staff
for
your
continued
work
and
I
hope
that
we've
been
able
to
give
sufficient
direction
that
the
upcoming
weeks
of
engagement,
not
only
again
with
the
working
group
and
the
subcommittee
of
the
working
group,
but
certainly
with
our
broader
commissions
and
public,
can
be
as
productive
as
possible
as
we
look
to
bring
this
process
home
in
the
months
to
come.
So
again,
I'll
close
with
some
thank
yous
and
and
colleagues.
We
are
adjourned.