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A
Okay,
hello:
everyone
welcome
to
our
work
session
today,
talking
about
real
estate
tax
relief
and
particularly
here,
to
listen
to
thank
the
real
estate
tax
relief
working
group.
That's
been
underway
or
had
been
underway
for
quite
a
period
of
time,
doing
some
work
directed
by
the
county
board
and
our
year
ago.
Budget
decisions.
A
So
we're
gonna
I'm
sure
have
some
questions
for
both
the
working
group
and
for
the
staff
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
bottom
line
is
that
it's
an
expensive
place
to
live,
and
we
know
that
part
of
our
goal
has
always
been
in
Arlington
to
ensure
that
nobody
has
to
leave
the
county
or
leave
their
home
solely
because
of
the
local
tax,
the
real
estate
tax
itself.
That
has
always
been
a
guiding
principle.
A
How
we
implement
it,
what
those
thresholds
are,
what
those
asset
levels,
how
we
compare
to
our
neighboring
jurisdictions
is
really
a
lot
of
the
work
that
this
you
know
was
undertaken
in
this
process.
So
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
so
Paul
Holland,
welcome
and
if
you'd
like
to
introduce
your
group.
B
Thank
You
Jerry
members
of
the
board
for
having
us
here
today,
we're
excited
to
be
here.
We
concluded
a
intense
process
and
and
really
appreciate
the
efforts
of
everyone
who
was
on
the
working
group,
as
well
as
the
staff
who
supported
that
up.
We're
joined
by
six
members
of
the
working
group
and
I'll
just
read
their
names
in
addition
to
myself
so
Pam
jewel
of
all
can.
B
B
So
here's
an
overview
I'm
going
to
speak
to
the
first
five
topics
through
definitions
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
staff
to
present
the
detail,
part
of
what
we
accomplished
so
moving
on
to
the
next
slide.
The
working
group
was
charged
by
the
county
manager
to
collaborate
with
the
staff
and
work
to
develop
recommendations
and
possible
future
changes
to
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program.
B
Based
on
the
charge
we
researched
and
reviewed
the
best
practices
related
to
real
estate
tax
relief
throughout
the
country
and
looked
at
other
options
within
the
Commonwealth
of
Virginia
as
well.
We
worked
with
the
community
and
relevant
stakeholders
and
engaged
with
them
on
a
number
of
fronts
to
talk
about
this
program
and
to
learn
more
about
it.
B
We
work
to
determine
if
there
maybe
Arlen
Toni
ins,
who
qualify
for
real
estate
tax
relief
but
who
are
not
currently
participating
in
the
program
and
provide
recommendations
for
what
we
could
do
differently
to
improve
outreach
to
those
folks
and
perhaps
increase
the
number
of
participants
in
in
the
county.
We
worked
with
a
consultant.
B
So
the
I've
introduced
the
the
members
of
the
working
group
here
here
today
we
had
12
members
representing
the
the
following
organizations.
We
had
a
representative
from
the
Commission
on
Aging
representative
from
the
disability,
Advisory
Commission
representative
from
the
fiscal
affairs
Advisory
Commission
representative
from
the
Housing
Commission.
We
had
four
participants
from
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program
and
then
four
members
at
large
mr.
Dorsey
and
mr.
Vyse,
that
were
our
board,
liaisons
and
and
I
chaired
the
group,
along
with
with
patricia
sullivan,
serving
as
the
vice
chair.
She
was
our
Commission
on
Aging
representative.
B
We
were
very
well
supported
by
the
DHS
staff
and
received
additional
assistance
from
C
PhD
and
the
treasurer's
office
I
think
their
staff
are
here
today
miss
rucker
and
mr.
Leakey.
So
we
appreciate
all
the
support
that
we
got
from
the
staff
throughout
this
process.
The
county
contracted
with
Rheingold
to
be
mentioned
a
survey
and
they
did
the
telephone
survey
and
also
focus
groups
with
Arlington's,
older
homeowners
and
potential
participants.
B
So,
with
regard
to
community
outreach,
we
had
eleven
working
group
meetings
that
were
open
to
the
public.
We
had
a
web
page
that
we
updated
or
the
staff
updated
regularly
with
the
materials,
including
the
meeting
minutes
and
agendas
and
and
summaries
and
presentations
any
of
the
materials
from
the
meetings
were
posted
there.
We
had
an
email,
listserv
that
went
out
social
media.
Of
course,
the
survey
and
focus
groups
that
we
talked
about
there
were
media
releases.
B
B
And
so
just
a
little
bit
of
background
on
on
what
the
program
is
and-
and
where
was
when
we
inherited
this
charge,
Virginia
localities
are
authorized
to
provide
tax
relief
to
homeowners
aged
65
or
over,
as
well
as
permanently
disabled,
permanently
and
totally
disabled
homeowners.
The
current
program
provides
exemptions
or
sum
of
sum
of
all
real
estate.
Taxes
for
qualified
homeowners
and
the
income
limit.
Right
now
is
ninety
nine
thousand
four
and
seventy
two
dollars
and
household
assets
at
or
below
three
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars.
B
We
have
some
tears
within
this
program
and
homeowners
can
receive
a
full
50%
or
25%
exemption
homeowners
within
the
income
guidelines
who
have
assets
over
340
but
below
540
can
defer
in
Arlington
and
homeowners.
Not
qualifying
for
a
full
exemption
can
also
defer
what
is
not
exempt
and
homeowners
approved
for
exemption.
B
And/Or
deferral
in
calendar
year,
2016
had
on
average
participated
in
the
program
for
eight
years
and
just
a
couple
of
this
definitions
so
that
we,
you
know
standardize
what
we're
talking
about
exemption
is
defined
as
an
elimination
of
obligation
to
pay
for
some
or
all
of
one's
real-estate.
Taxes
and
deferral
is
a
postponement
of
paying
for
some
or
all
of
one's
real
estate
taxes
and
in
Arlington
County,
that's
deferred.
Taxes
are
repaid
without
interest
or
penalty
when
property
changes
ownership.
B
C
Ok
good
afternoon,
everyone
I
wanted
to
just
especially
send
my
my
appreciation
to
all
the
staff
who
supported
us,
as
well
as
the
working
group
members
who
really
filled
in
to
this
material
and
worked
very
hard
to
come
up
with
a
recommendation
and
a
final
report
so
on
the
real
estate
tax
relief.
We're
going
to
tell
you
where
our
current
program
stands,
and
this
top
table
illustrates
the
levels
of
exemption
that
Paul
explained.
We
have
a
full
exemption,
50%
25%
and
then
a
deferral
and
those
are
then
adjusted
according
to
the
household
size.
C
So
the
first
column
presents
the
1
to
2
person,
household
size,
with
annual
income
and
asset
limits,
and
the
the
far
right
column
indicates
what
a
three
person
household,
annual
income
and
asset
limits
would
be,
and
you
can
see
that
as
people's
income
goes
up
up
299
472
annually,
they
can
receive
an
exemption
up
to
25%
if
their
assets
are
still
below
340
thousand
dollars.
But
once
they
passed
the
340
thousand
dollars
and
their
income
is
nine
nine
four
seven
two,
then
they
are
eligible
for
a
deferral
and
similarly
those
those
numbers
change.
C
As
a
three-person
household
and
the
reason
we're
pointing
this
out
is
because
this
is
going
to
alter
in
the
proposal
that's
being
put
forward
today
about
household
composition
and
their
their
corresponding
income
and
asset
levels.
So
for
those
who
need
a
little
extra
help
to
wrap
their
their
hands
around,
what
is
an
exemption?
What
is
a
deferral?
We
actually
have
a
sort
of
sample
hypothetical
two-person
household
in
that
bottom
chart.
C
They
would
not
have
to
pay
real
estate
taxes
and
then,
as
your
income
varies,
and
your
assets
vary
depending
on
the
exemption
level,
whether
it's
50
percent
or
25
percent,
then
you
would
only
be
paying
you
would
be
paying
50
percent
of
the
tax
bill
and
50
percent
of
it
would
be
exempt
or
you
would
be
able
to
defer
the
other
5,000
that
remains,
and
similarly
with
the
next
example.
So
that's
just
to
give
you
sort
of
an
idea
of
how
the
program
works
on
slide
9.
C
It's
a
calendar
year
basis-
and
this
indicates
to
you
along
the
different
exemption
levels,
the
households
that
were
participating
at
each
level
and
the
totals-
and
you
can
see-
and
from
2011
to
2016
that,
indeed
the
participation
did
decline
from
1150
to
about
929,
where
we
were
last
calendar
year,
which
son,
which
was
one
of
the
impetuses
behind
the
the
working
group
to
see
how
we
could
increase
participation
in
the
program.
The
revenue
is
basically
uncollected.
So
it's
not
that
this
is
an
expenditure,
we're
not
handing
out
funding
we're
not
collecting
funding.
C
C
Slide
11
demonstrates
what
the
assessed
value
of
their
of
the
real
estate
tax
relief
homes
are
of
those
who
participate
from
this
past
calendar
year
and
from
a
lower
value
of
their
hat,
their
helmet
around
200
or
below
thousand
to
over
a
million
dollars.
We
do
have
seven
households
in
that
category.
C
And
this
is
a
very
dense
line.
I'm,
sorry,
if
the
public
can't
see
this
so
well,
but
this
shows
in
the
first
column
where
the
Arlington
County
program,
bill
states
actually
program
currently
stands
next
to
the
proposed
program
and
our
neighboring
jurisdictions,
starting
with
Fairfax
County
city
of
Alexandria,
Loudoun
and
Prince
William.
And
what
we'll
go
into
further
detail
about
this
in
the
following
slides.
C
But
you
can
see
that
the
proposed
column,
which
is
the
second
one,
brings
us
closer
to
what
our
neighboring
jurisdictions
have
in
terms
of
condensing
the
levels
of
a
composition
of
the
household
to
basically
one
level
adding
on
certain
kinds
of
income.
Exclusions,
such
as
for
relatives
in
the
home
who
are
non
owner
non
spouse
and
for
people
with
disability
having
an
exemption
for
their
income.
But
we'll
get
into
that
in
a
moment.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Katelyn
hutchinson.
D
Thank
you,
the
working
group.
This
slide
just
talks
a
little
bit
about
how
they
arrived
at
their
draft
recommendations
and
then
their
final
recommendations.
In
January,
the
working
group
prepared
a
set
of
20
draft
recommendations
which
included
about
30
accompanying
action
items.
Then
in
February
those
recommendations
got
wrapped
into
a
draft
program
recommendations
report
that
highlighted
their
recommendations
on
the
structure
and
administration
of
the
program.
The
draft
report
was
posted
online
for
public
comment
in
mid-february
and
DHS
staff,
along
with
the
working
group
chair,
met
with
various
civic
organizations
and
commissions
mid-february.
D
Through
early
March,
we
met
with
the
Civic
Federation,
the
Housing
Commission,
the
Commission
on
Aging
disability,
Advisory,
Commission
FAQ,
and
the
committee
of
100,
a
community
meeting
was
then
held
at
Arlington
mill,
Community
Center
on
March
6,
with
about
80
people
in
attendance
and
community
feedback
was
received
online
via
email
via
mail
and
via
hand.
Delivery
through
March
10th,
more
than
260
comments
were
received
and
reviewed
by
staff
in
the
working
group.
D
Then
a
final
program
recommendations
report
incorporating
this
public
feedback
was
submitted
to
the
county
manager
and
the
County
Board
on
April
10th.
In
all.
There
are
20
final
recommendations
from
the
working
group
with
33
accompanying
action
items
in
this
presentation.
We've
organized
the
recommendations
around
the
anticipated
time
frame
for
the
start
of
implementation,
and
we've
also
indicated
in
parentheses,
any
changes
that
may
be
required
in
order
to
implement
them.
D
First,
the
working
group
recommended
to
revise
the
application
materials
to
be
more
user
friendly,
so
using
more
simple
language,
increasing
the
font,
size,
developing
supplementary
materials,
and
they
also
are
recommending
to
revise
the
real
estate
tax
relief
timeline
to
give
participants
additional
time
to
apply.
This
would
require
a
local
code
change
and
it
would
change
the
deadline
from
mid-august
to
November
15th.
D
The
working
groups
also
recommending
to
allow
for
retroactive
relief
of
up
to
two
years
in
certain
circumstances,
if
a
physical
or
mental
health
issue
or
extreme
circumstances
beyond
the
applicants,
control
prevented
their
application
to
the
program.
This
would
also
require
local
code
change.
The
group
is
recommending
to
increase
outreach
and
technical
assistance.
D
The
group
actually
came
up
with
about
two
pages
worth
of
organizations,
groups
and
businesses
that
they
recommend
we
outreach
to,
and
they
also
are
recommending
that
we
provide
additional
assistance
with
applications
and
appeals
they're
recommending
to
utilize
existing
Commission's
or
citizen
groups
to
provide
periodic
program
oversight.
For
example,
the
Commission
on
Aging
has
volunteered
to
be
a
part
of
that
process.
They're
also
recommending
to
enhance
existing
data
and
feedback
collection
efforts.
D
Lastly,
on
this
slide,
they're
recommending
to
investigate
mortgage
lenders,
opposition
to
deferrals,
that's
something
that
came
up
in
many
conversations
within
the
working
group
and
it's
also
been
something
that's
been
highlighted
in
the
news
across
the
country.
Many
lenders
oppose
deferrals
because
of
the
first
lien
rights
that
they
actually
give
the
county
when
the
home
is
sold,
or
you
know
foreclosed
upon
and
there's
also
some
problems
with,
the
compatibility
between
reverse
mortgages
and
deferrals
and
and
statutorily-
that's
not
actually
permitted
next
slide.
D
The
working
groups
phase
one
recommendations
also
include
recommendations
related
to
the
asset
limits.
The
working
group
is
recommending
to
change
the
asset
limits
currently
there's
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
for
exemptions
and
five
hundred
and
forty
thousand
for
deferrals,
as
anita
explained,
but
the
working
group
is
recommending
that
these
be
changed
to
400,000
for
de
for
exemptions.
Excuse
me
and
remain
at
five
hundred
and
forty
thousand
for
deferrals.
Both
of
these
would
be
automatically
adjusted
based
on
changes
in
the
Consumer
Price
Index
for
all
urban
consumers
or
the
cpi-u.
D
D
Additionally,
the
working
group
is
recommending
that
in
phase
one,
the
method
for
calculating
applicant's
income
be
changed.
This
would
also
require
a
local
code
change
they're,
recommending
that
all
disability
income
for
either
owner
and/or
spouse
be
excluded
and
that
up
to
$10,000
from
the
income
of
each
non
owner,
non
spouse
relative
living
in
the
home
be
excluded
as
well.
D
With
this
in
mind,
they're
also
recommending
that
the
income
limits
and
exemption
levels
be
revised
according
to
this
table,
with
an
automatic
annual
adjustment
tied
to
the
change
in
area
median
income.
So,
as
you
can
see
in
this
table,
currently
we
have
varying
income
limits
based
on
household
size,
for
100%
exemptions,
50%
exemptions
and
25%
exemptions,
but
they're
actually
recommending
that
all
of
those
income
limits
be
changed
to
be
uniform,
regardless
of
household
size
within
each
exemption
level.
D
The
working
group
is
also
recommending
that
a
75%
exemption
level
be
added
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
bottom
row
currently,
the
deferrals
are
essentially
determined
by
somebody's
asset
level.
They
can
make
up
to
ninety
nine
thousand
four
seventy
two
and
still
remain
eligible
for
an
exemption
so
long
as
their
assets
are
below
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
But
if
their
assets
are
over
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars,
they
would
then
only
be
eligible
for
a
deferral.
The
working
group
is
actually
recommending
that
that
upper
income
limit
80
thousand
and
one
two.
D
This
slide
shows
the
impact
of
these
recommended
changes
to
the
asset
and
income
limits.
The
county
manager
recommendation,
which
we
will
discuss
in
a
bit,
is
that
all
changes
would
be
effective,
January,
1st
2019.
This
would
enable
us
to
have
sufficient
time
to
outreach
to
participants
increasing
the
exemption
asset
limit
from
340
thousand
to
$400,000
per
year
would
impact
approximately
90
households,
and
that
would
result
in
a
decrease
of
about
three
hundred
and
seventy
six
thousand
dollars
in
revenue
each
year.
D
We're
uncertain
about
the
impact
on
households
and
and
the
fiscal
impact
for
the
deduction
of
medical,
dental
expenses,
emergency
home
repairs
and
condominium
assessments.
But
we
will
certainly
track
that
in
the
first
couple
of
years
of
implementation,
in
terms
of
revising
the
income
limits
and
establishing
the
additional
exemption
level
of
seventy
five
percent.
We're
estimating
that
ninety
households
would
lose
their
exemption
as
a
result
of
decreasing
the
upper
income
limit
for
exemptions
from
ninety
nine
thousand
for
72
to
80
thousand
dollars.
D
But
they
would
still
be
eligible
for
the
deferral
if
they
so
chose,
and
we
estimate
that
approximately
one-third
or
thirty
of
these
households
would
choose
to
defer
what
was
previously
exempted.
One
hundred
and
forty
five
households
would
move
from
a
100
percent
exemption
to
a
75
percent
exemption
and
25
households
would
move
from
a
50
percent
exemption
to
a
25
percent
exemption.
D
The
net
change
net
impact
on
the
net
fiscal
impact
of
all
of
those
changes
would
be
approximately
a
three
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
six
hundred
and
nine
increase
in
revenue
each
year
in
terms
of
excluding
disability
income,
7
households
would
have
disability
income
excluded,
and
we
estimate
that
there
would
be
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
decrease
in
revenue
each
year.
At
this
point,
we're
uncertain
of
the
number
of
households
impacted
or
the
fiscal
impact
of
excluding
the
income
of
the
first
ten
thousand
dollars
an
income
from
each
non
owner
non
spouse
relative
in
the
home.
D
But
again
we
would
track
that
in
the
first
couple
of
years
of
implementation
on
slide
20,
we
move
into
the
phase
two
recommendations.
The
working
group
is
recommending
to
designate
county
revenue
received
from
deferral,
repayments,
to
support,
affordable
housing
opportunities
with
accessibility
and
supportive
services
for
older
residents
and
residents
with
disabilities.
This
would
be
a
policy
consideration
that
would
require
some
additional
investigating,
but
just
for
some
context.
D
Over
the
last
six
years,
the
county
has
received
an
average
of
one
hundred
and
thirteen
thousand
383
in
deferral
repayments
per
year
and
as
of
December
31st
2016,
there
was
approximately
three
point:
six
million
dollars
in
outstanding
deferrals.
The
working
group
is
also
recommending
to
build
the
application
materials
into
the
website
and
recommending
to
explore
options
to
increase
funding
for
the
development
of
and
services
associated
with
housing
for
older
residents
and
residents
with
disabilities.
D
They're
also
recommending
to
provide
homeowners
with
information
about
the
Home
Equity
Conversion
mortgage,
which
is
HUDs,
reverse
mortgage
product
and
they're,
recommending
to
explore
options
to
provide
real
estate
tax
deductions
to
owners
of
rental
dwellings
that
provide
reduced
rent
to
older
renters
and
renters
with
disabilities.
This
would
require
a
local
code
change
and
likely
a
state
code
change
as
well
on
slide
21.
D
We
get
into
the
phase
three
recommendations
which
are
three
to
five
years
down
the
road
they're
recommending
to
consider
implementing
additional
programs
that
could
provide
financial
relief
to
older
residents
and
residents
with
disabilities.
This
is
along
the
lines
of
proper
personal
property.
Tax
relief
refuse
fee
relief,
those
sort
of
things
a
number
of
the
surrounding
jurisdictions
offer.
Those
sort
of
programs
in
the
working
group
came
across
them
in
their
research
could
potentially
require
a
local
code
change
depending
on
you
know
what
came
out
of
it.
D
The
working
groups
also
recommending
to
conduct
an
extensive
review
and
reevaluation
of
the
program,
which
would
be
done
by
some
of
the
existing
Commission's
that
we
talked
about
earlier
in
the
phase
one
recommendations
and
the
working
group
is
recommending
to
advocate
for
the
amendment
of
state
code
in
order
to
provide
Virginia
homeowners
with
protection
from
lenders
that
refuse
to
recognize
participation,
deferral
programs.
This
could
require
a
local
code
change
and
a
state
code
change
as
well,
depending
on
what
what
went
forward.
D
The
working
group
is
recommending
to
explore
establishing
separate
real
estate
tax
classes,
specifically
for
older
home
owners
and
homeowners
with
disabilities
in
lieu
of
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program
could
also
require
a
local
code
or
state
code
change.
This
was
just
something
that
the
working
group
members
also
came
across
in
their
research
and
seemed
appealing
to
consider
down
the
road
and,
lastly,
the
working
group
is
recommending
to
explore
ways
to
enable
older
residents
to
age
in
the
community
in
a
multi-age
multi-unit
developments
with
accessibility
and
supportive
services.
D
This
is
something
that's
done
in
in
many
jurisdictions
across
the
country,
and
it
could
certainly
be
implemented
in
Arlington
on
slide
22.
We
highlight
two
areas
in
which
the
working
group
had
some
pretty
extensive
discussions,
but
were
not
able
to
come
to
consensus
and
ultimately
adopt
a
single
recommendation.
The
first
is
home
value.
Currently,
home
value
is
not
considered
in
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program,
but
the
working
group
did
discuss
several
options.
D
First
of
all,
they
discussed
keeping
the
program,
as
is,
and
not
limiting
the
amount
of
home
value
that
is
eligible
for
an
exemption,
and
then
they
also
recommend
our
I'm
sorry.
They
also
discussed
limiting
the
amount
of
home
value
that
is
eligible
for
exemption
to
the
median
assessed
home
value
and
allowing
for
the
deferral
of
any
remaining
taxes
not
eligible
for
exemption.
D
Lastly,
they
discussed
limiting
the
amount
of
home
value
that
is
eligible
for
exemption
to
$800,000
unless
the
applicant
purchased
the
home
prior
to
January
1st
2000
and
then
also
allowing
for
the
deferral
of
any
remaining
taxes
not
eligible
for
exemption.
Second,
they
discussed
the
issue
of
program
management.
D
Currently,
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program
is
managed
by
the
Department
of
Human
Services.
With
support
from
the
treasurer's
office.
The
working
group
discussed
three
possible
recommendations,
but
again
the
consensus
could
not
be
reached.
They
recommended
retaining
program
administration
within
DHS,
they
I'm
sorry,
they
discussed
retaining
program,
administration
and
DHS.
They
discussed
moving
the
program
administration
to
the
Commissioner
of
the
revenue
and
they
also
discussed
the
possibility
of
creating
a
system
of
joint
administration
so
that
the
resources
and
skills
of
both
DHS
and
the
Commissioner
of
the
revenue
could
be
used
to
support
the
program.
C
So
this
is
our
last
slide
and
just
to
wrap
up
I
know
it's
a
very
dense
material
and
we
welcome
conversation
and
questions.
The
county
managers
recommendation
to
the
board
is
to
begin
the
implementation
of
phase
1
recommendations,
both
the
administrative
programmatic
ones,
as
well
as
the
local
code
changes
with
an
estimated
completion
date
by
the
end
of
2018
and
an
effective
date
for
the
new
code
and
and
administrative
guidelines
January
1st
2019.
C
We
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
some
expense
related
to
it,
particularly
there's
an
a
projected
net
decrease
in
collected
revenue
or
revenue.
That's
forgone.
We
don't
know
that
this
is
completely
accurate
at
this
time,
because
we
still
have
those
unknown
categories
where
deductions
for
spouses
for
non
relative
non
owner
non
spouse
nam
owner
relatives
is
not
calculated.
So
roughly
now
we're
calculating
they'll,
be
120
thousand
of
of
uncollected
revenue
and
would
require
additional
FTE
time
amounting
to
one
FTE.
Due
to
the
increasing
complexity
of
the
administrative
requirements
that
are
proposed.
B
Here
and
then
Evelyn
G
from
Housing
Commission,
Patti
Sullivan
from
Commission
on
Aging,
who
is
our
Vice
Chair
and
Peggy
Jones,
who
is
an
at-large
rep,
so
we
are
really
grateful
for
for
all
their
work.
You
know
I've
been
involved
in
a
number
of
county
processes,
and-
and
this
is
I
can
say
clearly.
This
is
one
of
the
the
best
that
I've
been
involved
in
from
the
staff
support,
but
also
from
the
the
working
group.
So
it
was
an
honor
and
a
pleasure
to
to
leave
this
this
group.
So
thank
you.
Thanks.
A
Paul,
okay,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
from
the
agenda
we're
actually
through
a
B
and
C
one,
two
and
three
right,
so
we
are
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
part
heard
a
great
summary
and
I
think
you're
right.
It's
a
bit
dense
to
get
your
arms
around
it
and
even
what
you
presented.
You
know
some
of
the
implications,
but
not
all
the
implications
are
really
known
at
this
time.
So
why
don't
I
open
it?
A
Up
to
my
colleagues,
you
know
we
could
walk
through
the
recommendations,
but
I
think
why
don't
we
start
this
way
is
try
to
just
open
it
up
to
any
of
them
in
which
you
have
particular
questions
or
you
want
to
have
for
their
dialogue
or
clarification.
So
who
would
like
to
go
first
and
maybe
I'll
turn
to
one
of
the
liaisons
from
the
board.
Mr.
Vyse
that
and
then
we'll
go
to
mr.
Dorsey
to
see
what
he'd
like
to
offer
up
Thank.
E
You,
mr.
chairman
and
mr.
Holland
and
all
the
members
of
your
working
group
thanks
very
much,
you
know
one
thing
that
I
was
struck
by
is
not
only
did
you
focus
on
the
immediate
tasks
at
hand
of
really
delving
into
the
minutiae
of
our
current
program,
but
you
also
put
forth
a
number
of
short
term
and
midterm
and
long
term.
Recommendations
for
helping
Arlington
become
a
more
Aging
friendly
community,
and
that
is
a
big
bonus
that
I
see
coming
out
of
the
working
group.
E
And-
and
so
maybe
we
start
the
conversation
by
asking
you,
if
you
might
be
able
to
characterize
or
draw
you
know,
draw
a
line
around
the
conversation
both
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
from
an
equitable
and
fiscal
standpoint.
It
might
make
sense
to
have
some
sort
of
cap
on
the
value
of
a
home,
and
what
about
the
equities
of
deferral
versus
exemption.
B
B
I
think
that
there
were
a
variety
of
opinions
on
this
on
the
working
group
and
and
we
had
some
dissenting
opinions
that
were
submitted,
that
that
felt
strongly
that
it
should
be
limited
and
and
those
are
very
well
reasoned
and
and
valuable
opinions
and
I
think
you
saw
why
we
we,
we
were
not
able
to
come
to
a
consensus
recommendation
on
this,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
certainly
a
question
for
whatever
future
administration.
Whatever
future
reviews
are
done
to
look
at
okay.
E
Mr.
Hollin,
if
I
could
just
have
a
follow-up
on
the
exemption
versus
deferral,
question
and
I,
don't
know
whether
staff
may
need
to
chime
in
here,
but
one
of
the
slides
talked
about
an
average
recoupment.
If
you
will
I
guess
of
deferred
taxes
of
being
approximately
three
hundred
thirteen
thousand
per
year,
and
yet
we
have
an
outstanding
amount
of
deferral
funds
still
to
be
collected
of
3.6
million
over
three
point:
six
million
dollars.
E
F
D
That
annual
reminder
of
this
is
the
balance
that
is
owed
when
you
do.
You
know,
eventually
sell
your
house
or
the
the
ownership
transfers,
and
so
that
wasn't
something
that
you
know
was
done
quite
as
like
detailed
in
the
past,
but
we
recognized,
as
we
were,
undertaking
this
process,
that
it
was
something
we
could
improve
upon,
and
so
the
treasurer's
office
really
helped
us
figure
out
what
could
be
done
on
both
sides
to
make
sure
people
are.
E
D
I
think
it'll
I'm
not
sure
if
it'll
rise
as
a
result
of
this
process,
but
I
do
think
that,
as
Paul
mentioned,
there
will
be
higher
rates
of
people
taking
advantage
of
the
deferral
as
a
result
of
the
changes
the
working
group
is
recommending.
So
I
do
think
that
just
by
extension
will
be.
You
know,
realizing
more
revenue
coming
back
into
the
county
down
the
road,
because
more
people
will
be
taking
advantage
of
deferrals
rather
than
exemptions,
but.
E
E
G
The
taxes
aren't
actually
due
until
the
property
changes
ownership
right,
but
we
have
recognized
some
issues
through
this
process,
where
it's
not
always
clear.
What's
due
on
the
property,
especially
we've
had
heirs
come
to
us
from
time
to
time
and
say:
oh
I
didn't
know
that
my
parents
had
$10,000
in
deferred
taxes
on
the
property,
so
we
came
up
with
an
annual
statement,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
they,
as
Kaitlyn
said
they
sign
off.
Saying
yes,
I
want
this
deferral.
G
We've
also
made
some
enhancements
to
the
website
where
title
companies
generally
go
and
check
tax
balances
and
hasn't
always
been
clear
that
there
are
deferrals
due
on
the
property
you
kind
of
had
to
dig
in.
You
know,
go
a
few
layers
down
on
the
website
to
find
it.
So
over
the
past
couple
years,
we've
made
enhancements
there
and
we
found
also
that
the
challenge
is
Fairfax
allowed
and
don't
offer
deferrals.
G
G
So
we
could
have
some
people
when
we
send
these
annual
statements
out,
say:
oh,
you
know
here's
the
look
I
didn't
realize
it
was
this
much
or
I
know
it's
this
much,
but
I
want
to
start
paying
it
off
and
I
want
to
get
it
paid
off.
So
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
when
we
renew
those
numbers
in
the
next
year.
So
what
it
looks
like
so.
E
The
three
point:
six
six,
four
million
dollars
in
outstanding
deferred
taxes
it.
What
does
that
number
represent?
Is
that
does
that
represent
properties
that
have
have
changed
hands
that?
Where
that
those
funds
are
owed
or
is
that
is
that
the
number
that
is
outstanding
in
terms
of
current
recipients
having
deferred
their
taxes.
E
A
Two
discrete
but
significant
issues,
one
was
the
deferral
versus
exemption.
The
first
one
was
about
the
home
value.
If
we
could,
you
know
before
we
go
to
mr.
Dorsey
I'd
like
to
just
stick
with
the
issue,
which
is
the
one
you've
been
following
up
on
a
little
bit,
which
is
the
exemption
versus
deferral.
So
I'd
ask
my
colleagues
if
there
are
more
questions
about
that
to
try
to
talk
that
through
and
see.
If
there
are
more
issues
on
it,
I
have.
I
Just
like
to
hear
a
little
more
elaboration
on
the
exemption
versus
deferral,
I
keep
having
a
hard
time
with
this
one,
well
I,
just
why
why
some
people
should
never
have
to
pay
the
taxes,
because
it's
their
heirs
that
don't
have
to
pay
the
taxes?
It's
not
them.
It
seems
like
to
me,
but
you
talked
about
end-of-life
care,
but
then
it
gets
to
us
what
the
taxpayer
should
be
funding
as.
H
A
B
I
mean
I,
can
you
know
we?
This
is
a
question
that
came
up
throughout
our
community
engagement
process
and
something
that
you
know
we
talked
through
as
a
working
group
and
I.
Think
for
many
folks,
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
tool,
that's
available
to
Arlington
County,
and
it
is
something
that
I
think
for
me.
Personally
is
something
that
you
know
we.
We
look
to
support
the
folks
in
our
community
who
need
that
support
and
I.
Think
people
felt
that
the
exemption
process
helps
achieve
that
I
mean
you,
you
have
so.
I
My
question
is
to
what
we
want
to
support
the
people,
so
they
get
exempted
until
they
leave
the
house
and
then
they
don't
necessarily
need
this
money
that
they've
left
the
house.
If
it's
exempted,
then
the
the
benefit
doesn't
really
go
to
them.
It
gets
to
whoever
in
here
you
see
what
I'm
saying
I
I'm
worried,
we're
supporting
more
than
maybe
is
necessary.
I
just
know.
B
I
see
that
point,
but
I
do
think
there
are
I,
don't
think
the
final
move,
that
and
I
don't
have
the
full
data
on
this.
But
the
final
move
that
that
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
are
making
isn't
leaving
their
home,
it's
moving
from
their
home
to
a
end
of
life
or
you
know
a
retirement
home,
and
so
they
are.
B
You
know
the
people
who
are
qualifying
for
this
program
use
that
equity
use
the
value
of
their
home
to
to
pay
for
that
end-of-life
care
and-
and
you
know
folks-
are
living
longer
now
than
ever
before
and
they're,
relying
on
that
equity
that
they've
built
up
over
time
to
to
pay
for
that
that
end-of-life
care
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
there's
this.
This
idea
that
you
know
heirs
are
using
it
to
get
rich,
but
I
do
I,
expect
that
most
folks
are
are
using
it
to
go
to
one
of
the
assisted
living
facilities.
I
C
The
exemption,
sorry,
the
exemption,
while
in
effect
of
course,
benefits
the
household
who
are
seniors
or
those
with
disabilities
who
are
living
in
the
home
up
until
the
time
they
either
pass
on
that
home
or
you
know
or
are
deceased,
but
then
whoever
occupies
at
home
is
immediately
paying
taxes
on
it.
So
I
guess
what
you're
talking
about
is.
They
would
have
had
a
smaller
inheritance.
Perhaps
right,
but
it's
not
clear.
C
We
don't
have
the
data
to
demonstrate
how
many
of
those
who
are
seniors
and
people
with
disabilities
on
Real
Estate's
actually
are
actually
passing
their
homes
on.
We
don't
have
that
information
to
tell
you
what
the
end
is
at
this
point,
plus
I,
think
the
other
kind
of
compounding
issue
with
the
deferrals
was
the
issue
with
the
mortgage
lenders
that.
F
C
Are
at
least
we
know
of
one
mortgage
lender,
and
one
of
our
participants
on
the
working
group
actually
encountered
this
personally
we're
not
able
to
get
a
a
a
mortgage
right
away
because
right,
it's
because
the
the
lending
agency
considers
their
the
taxes
owed
as
the
first
lien
against
the
house.
You.
D
What
actually
happened
is
the
the
deferred
taxes.
The
mortgage
company
did
not
recognize
the
deferred
taxes
as
being
paid
when
you
purchase
a
home,
and
you
have
a
mortgage
in
place,
you're
promising
to
keep
things
like
your
taxes
current
and
a
lot
of
the
bigger
companies.
Don't
see
that
as
being
current,
because
at
some
point
in
time
they
will
be
due
balance
due
right.
J
I
made
several
complaints
to
the
mortgage
holder.
I
did
have
the
mortgage
at
that
point,
but
they
continued
paying
my
taxes
and
the
county
kept
holding
on
to
the
check
and
paying
my
taxes
and
then
asking
for
me
to
pay
more
into
escrow
and
declaring
me
in
default
of
my
agreement
and
pointing
out
oblique
lis
that
they
could
foreclose
I
had
tremendous
emotional
support
from
the
treasurer's
office
during
this
confusion.
J
J
The
resolution
was,
they
told
me
that
they
couldn't
talk
about
deferrals,
that
they
do
not
recognize
any
deferrals
in
virginia
for
any
reason
and
would
not
talk
with
me
about
it
further
and
that
they
still
denied
the
existence
of
deferrals
all
rational
conversation
about
you
mean
no
senior
tax
relief
or
look
at
the
value
of
my
home.
You
know
I
oh
like
what
15%
of
the
value
of
my
home,
the
loan-to-value,
makes
no
sense
on
this
you're
saying
I
can't
exercise
leverage
over
my
property
and
my
asset
value
I've
since
found
out.
J
J
It
was
life
as
if
they
had
redlined
a
neighborhood.
So
I
knew
all
these
things
and
and
still
do,
and
the
solution
was
a
very
oblique
is
the
kindest
word
I
have
for
it,
where
they
turned
my
taxes
over
to
me
to
pay
and
said
that
they
would
ask
for
any
of
the
following
kinds
of
documented
verification,
which
would
include
a
check,
could
include
a
check
and
other
things
like
that.
So
they
didn't.
J
Let
go
is
the
point
there
I
learned
more
about
the
deferrals
and
the
much
more
extensive
damage
that
has
happened
to
other
people
around
the
country
and
that
with
reverse
mortgages.
Of
course,
if
you've
had
a
deferral
you
now
we
found
out
through
this
group,
you
cannot
get
a
reverse
mortgage
without
paying
off
the
deferral
and
if
we're
talking
very
senior,
you
could
be
at
the
point
where
you
are
giving
up
it.
You
don't
get
a
benefit,
there's
you've
lost
and
if
you're
very
low
income
you're
now
pushed
further
down
and.
A
A
A
I
Is
very
helpful
and
it's
becoming
clearer
and
clearer
to
me
that
we're
gonna
have
to
sort
of
try
this
and
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
that
need
to
really
be
worked.
Another
thing
that
we're
that
I
realized
now
connects
more
than
ever
is
the
idea
of
a
cap
on
the
value.
So
it's
it's
just
when
I'm
looking
at
you
know
watching
taxpayer
funds.
What
I
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
an
exemption
on
a
home.
I
J
F
J
I
There's
there's
a
lot
of
study
that
needs
to
happen
and
I'm
worried
about
wind
falls
that
are
improper,
I
think.
First,
we
need
to
protect
folks
like
you
and
do
what
we
can
I
think
here,
and
this
is
something
we
have
to
have.
A
lot
of
work
on.
I
expect
change
it
as
we
go
because
they're
all
of
these
you
know
circumstances
I.
I
My
heirs
inherit
it
at
two
million
dollars
see,
and
then
they
don't,
they
start
paying
taxes
from
then
on,
but
the
taxes
that
were
there
to
support
me
have
supported
me,
but
allowed
my
heirs
to
inherit
a
home
at
two
million
dollars
when
perhaps
I've
already
gotten,
there's
fifty
thousand
or
more
that
I
should
have
paid
that
the
taxpayers
event
dude.
Does
that
make
sense,
I.
J
Think
there
are
more
data
points
that
need
to
get
into
that
discussion,
because
they've
got
a
two
million
dollar
house.
You
have
the
equivalent
expenses
of
maintenance
and
upkeep,
and
then
what's
your
income
and
how
you
spent
down
your
assets
and
now
you're
really
becoming
impoverished
in
your
house.
If.
H
I
may
I
just
wanted
to
suggest
I
think
one
thing
that
could
be
helpful
sort
of
in
this
narrative
or
this
concern
which
any
we've
raised
before
about
you
know
sort
of
the
relationship
between
the
homeownership
and
whether
it
goes
on
to
heirs
or,
as
mr.
Hollin
suggested,
whether
that
is
the
capital
that
people
then
extract
the
equity,
the
people
that
extract
to
pay
for
long
term
care
I
presume
we
have
a
data
point.
H
Unfortunately,
and
it's
going
on
to
an
error
or
whether
they're
exiting
the
program,
because
they're
moving
into
a
new
home
in
Arlington
or
elsewhere
and
I
wonder
having
a
sense
of
that
difference
where
people
go
next,
the
reasons
for
exiting
the
program
might
be
helpful
right
if
we're
learning,
in
fact
that
the
vast
majority
of
recipients
are
moving
on
somewhere
next
as
supported
living,
downsizing,
etc.
Maybe
that
would
address
some
of
the
the
concern
that
I
know
you've
raised
before
MS
Ernie
I'm.
J
F
F
A
K
There
were
no
exemption
and
there
were
only
deferral,
as
is
I,
guess
the
case
in
some
communities.
What
those
homeowners
are
faced
with,
as
Ms
Herndon
described,
are
making
the
momentary
decision
based
on
an
inability
to
pay
real
estate
taxes
that
impacts
their
leverage
decisions
with
their
greatest
household
asset
for
the
remainder
of
their
life
in
ways
that
they
may
not
fully
comprehend
at
the
very
beginning
and
for
a
municipality
to
sort
of
be
the
conduit
for
people
to
make
the
momentary
decision.
This
is
how
I
have
to
live.
K
Uncoupled
from
these
are
the
implications
that
I'll
be
faced
with
for
the
rest
of
my
life.
That's
that's
something!
That's
tough
for
me
to
to
stomach
for
the
most
vulnerable
now
for
people
who
have
assets,
whether
they
be
income
or
actual
assets,
deferral
becomes
a
viable
option.
If
it's
it's
just
a
matter
of
smoothing
what
might
be
some
cash
flow
issues
that
they
may
have
from
time
to
time
and
year
to
year
and
and
having
that
as
as
an
option,
a
desirable
option
for
them,
I
think
is,
is
well
worth
it.
K
But
I
for
one
am
very
much
of
the
opinion
that,
for
the
most
vulnerable
exemption
is
is
really
what,
as
a
municipality,
we
ought
to
be
be
doing,
because
the
deferral
option
you
know
does
impact
leverage
to
a
substantial
degree
and
and
I
for
one
and
with
the
air
scenario
because
I'm
not.
This
is
a
program
for
the
homeowner
and
what
happens
after
they
they
move
on
I
can
live
with
the
consequences
as
but,
as
has
been
established
if
the
average
recipient
is
in
the
program
for
eight
years.
K
We're
not
talking
about
a
substantial
amount
of
money
that
would
be,
you
know,
sort
of
a
windfall
for
someone
who
becomes
an
heir,
it's
probably
very
limited
in
terms
of
the
actual
cash
that
could
be
clawed
back,
but
but
the
impact
for
the
homeowner,
while
they
are
while
they
are
in
the
property,
is,
is
substantial.
So
I
can
live
with
those
consequences.
Those
rare
outlier
events
and-
and
you
know,
I'll
just
take
this
opportunity.
Mr.
said
to
just
get
up
my
other
question:
if
that's
okay,
if
we
finish
with
this.
A
E
Specifically
on
the
question
of
why
we
can't
get
these
mortgage
companies
to
accommodate.
You
know
the
needs
of
very
of
senior
citizens
who
are
in
need
of
some
degree
of
relief
and
I'm
happy
to
just
say
that
I
got
a
sort,
a
mail
from
the
the
Vaco
director
of
local
government
policy,
who
is
saying
that
the
Virginia
Council
on
Aging,
which
MS
Freedman
I,
know
you're
familiar
with
the
Virginia
Council
on
Aging,
because
it's
composed
of
you
know,
senior
citizen
stakeholders
from
all
over.
E
The
state
has
recently
convened
a
group
of
stakeholders
to
discuss
the
conflicts
encountered
regarding
lien
priority
in
this
type
of
situation
and
also
with
respect
to
home
equity
loans.
So
he
also
indicates
that
Karla
de
la
Papa
has
been
contacted
our
County
Treasurer
and
that
Karla
has
left
at
the
opportunity
of
serving
as
a
resource
and
participating
in
this.
So
that
is
really
great
news
and
the
one
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
with
the
managers.
We
also
have
the
the
pace
program.
E
The
property
assessed
clean
energy
program
on
a
you
know
completely
different
note,
which
is
a
loan
program
which
is
intended
to
encourage
folks
to
convert
it
to
solar
energy
and,
of
course,
that
solar
program,
the
pace
program,
also
has
a
kind
of
a
financing
mechanism.
Similar
to
this,
where
mortgage
lenders,
you
know,
insist
on
that.
H
Bison
just
wanted
to
suggest
to
even
perhaps
even
more
so
than
Baker
or
emo.
We
might
find
common
cause
with
other,
very
high
income
communities
that
have
seen
the
sort
of
strong,
Rises
and
property
values
that
we've
seen
here
in
Arlington
County
I
mean
best
I
can
tell
that
the
challenge
with
the
mortgage
lenders
is.
They
worry
that
they'll
end
up
with
a
property
under
water,
where
there's
more
tax
tax
revenue
owed
on
a
property,
then
they
can
recoup.
H
You
know,
I
think
that
that
feels
so
rare
as
it
was
mentioned,
we're
talking
here,
I
mean
about
the
carry
taxes,
10-15
percent,
and
so
the
point
that
we're
trying
to
make
is
actually
Arlington
and
communities
like
us
are
quite
distinct
from
other
parts
of
the
country,
and
so
you
know,
as
we
look
to
sort
of
make
common
cause
or
do
our
best
effort
to
persuade
some
of
those
mortgage
companies.
We
might
find
you
know
reaching
out
to
san
Francisco's
or
bedroom
communities
in
New.
H
A
A
You
know
question
and
having
that
built
into
the
code
or
the
regulations
or
the
implicit
implementation
makes
some
sense.
If,
in
fact,
you
know
the
deferrals
add
up
over
the
course
of
some
period
of
time
and
when,
when
adding
it
to
the
reverse
mortgage
amount
or
the
home
equity
line
and
you've
all
of
a
sudden
gotten
to
80%
or
90%
of
the
value,
then
you
may
have
a
question.
M
Discussion,
I
think
we
might
need
to
consult
with
the
county
attorney
that
might
require
state
code
change,
because
the
current,
which
maybeline
legislation
you
know
via
the
state,
is
really
focused
on
income
and
asset
value
and
that
sort
of
adding
a
new
criteria
regarding
loan-to-value
I
would
just
I
just
want
to
say.
We
need
a
lot
more
research
on
them.
A
Referencing
the
state
legislation,
not
local
I,
mean
I'm
sure
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
do
that.
But
to
the
degree
there
is
some
follow-up
and
discussion
with
Pat,
Carroll
and
others
about
what
makes
the
most
sense
to
take
into
a
legislative
arena
and
see
if
our
legislators
think
there's
some
logic
to
this.
That
seems
to
me
to
be
the
the
framing
of
it
and
and
the
only
other
question
I
have
on
this
discussion.
A
Is
you
know
the
the
when
you
spoke
to
people
or
when
the
task
for
the
working
group
tried
to
assess
the
reasons?
Why
I'm
presuming
that
a
a
few
very
few
percentage
of
those
that
qualify
for
deferral?
Take
it?
What
did
you
find
because
one
of
the
things
you
just
said
is
with
the
recommendation.
We
are
likely
to
have
a
lot
more
deferrals
I,
don't
know
that
that's
the
case,
you
know
you
have
about
30
people,
you've
identified
right,
you've
identified
with
the
proposal
from
the
group
and
lowering
the
income
level
for
exemptions.
A
You
identify
that
there
about
30
households
that
are
currently
qualifying
for
and
getting
an
exemption
that
would
no
longer
qualify.
I
think
they
would
qualify
for
deferral,
so
the
you're
presuming
that
they
would
all
take
a
deferral-
and
my
gut
tells
me
from
past
experience
that
the
vast
majority
of
them
will
not
choose
to
take
a
deferral,
and
that
may
be
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
would
it
were
this
to
go
forward.
We
would
certainly
want
to
track
and
understand
so
the
front.
C
A
A
C
Those
who
qualify
for
a
deferral
actually
take
a
good
deferral,
which
is
why
thirds
don't
right?
Okay,
just
why
on
slide
19,
when
we
were
considering
those
who
would
lose
their
exemption
at
the
upper
income
limits
between
80,000
and
99
for
72,
and
they
would
be
now
eligible
for
deferral.
We
we
projected
only
1/3
would
actually
take
the
deferral
and.
F
D
Paul
mentioned
when
we
spoke
with
people
in
the
surveys,
focus
groups
and
then
also
at
the
community
meeting.
A
number
of
people
did
talk
about
the
fact
that
their
home
was
their
primary
asset
and
their
plan.
All
along
has
been
to
use
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
their
home
to
pay
for
their
assisted
living
or
whatever
the
next
step
may
be,
and
many
people
said
when
I
leave
my
home
I'm,
going
to
an
assisted
living
facility,
I'm
not
moving
to
a
condo
I'm,
not
moving
to
be
closer
to
my
grandkids
or
whatever.
D
If
you
look
at
slide
9,
you
actually
see
that
out
of
the
nine
hundred
and
twenty
nine
people
in
calendar
year,
2016
that
receives
some
sort
of
real
estate
tax
relief
benefit.
639
got
a
full
exemption.
The
remaining
people
who
didn't
get
a
full
exemption,
whether
it
was
50
percent
or
25
percent,
they
could
actually
defer.
You
know
the
the
balance
of
their
taxes
that
they,
you
know,
are
not
exempt
from
paying,
but
not
all
of
them
choose
to
me.
A
A
I
mean-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
question
I'm
asking
the
best
answer
you
have
is
similar
to
what
Paul
said,
which
is
whether
logical
or
not
logical
or
makes
sense
or
doesn't
make
sense.
The
rationale
is
they're,
just
choosing
not
to
take
the
deferral,
because
the
value
of
their
home
is
they're,
looking
at
it
as
an
asset
they
want
to
cash
in
on
later.
Yes,.
D
N
A
A
B
B
And
if
you
look
at
the
asset
data
as
well
in
general,
the
participants-
you
know,
you're
talking
12
households
above
for
a
thousand
dollars
in
assets
and
household
assets.
So
you
know
out
of
nine
hundred
and
twenty
I
think
you're
talking
without
twelve,
with
four
hundred
plus
so
by
you
know,
by
changing,
we
do
felt
we
weren't
affecting
that
many
folks,
I
mean.
Obviously
it's
a
very
personal
program
and
and
every
household
every
one
of
those
numbers
is
an
individual
household
that
will
be
affected.
D
If
they
still
really
need
that
real
estate
tax
relief,
they
do
still
qualify
for
it
and
it's
in
the
form
of
a
deferral
and
we're
going
to
make
some
changes
to
like
the
application
materials
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
put
themselves
in
a
situation
where
you
know
if
they
do
have
a
mortgage
or
a
reverse
mortgage.
You
know
they're
in
in
you
know
some
more
difficult
situations
than
they
began,
but
you
know
there
is
still
that
option
available
for
those
higher
income,
households
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
the
changes
with
the
income
exemptions.
D
A
Just
the
same
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
for
coming
on
it.
Should
this
go
forward
as
proposed,
it
seems
like
we
have
a
strong
responsibility
to
work
directly
with
households
that
for
this,
where
a
situation
might
change
too
and
educate
them
completely
about
the
options
still
available
to
them.
Yeah
thank.
G
You
I
just
have
one
more
issue
on
the
deferrals
with
in
the
lenders
when
there
is
a
leaning
when
their
property
is
sold
and
there
are
deferred
taxes,
the
county
only
has
lien
priority
for
10
percent
of
the
sale
price.
I
think
that's
something
to
consider
when
there
are
liens
against
the
property.
So
if,
for
repayment
of
deferred
taxes,
you
know
we
have
first
lien
on
taxes,
but
when
it's
deferred
taxes,
we
only
have
first
lien
up
to
ten
percent
of
the
sale
price.
Ten.
I
E
E
D
I
I
I
guess
all
of
this
has
made
clear
how
important
the
sorry
all
this
is
making
really
clear
how
important
it
is
that
the
recommendation
to
increase
the
outreach
efforts
in
the
word,
so
you've
mentioned
a
little
bit.
If
somebody
comes
you
how
much
counseling
do
they
get
financial
care,
because
I
would
imagine
most
people
that
come
really
need
a
fair
amount
of
help,
understanding
the
situation
and,
what's
and
what's
going
on
and
I,
provide
that,
but
maybe
we
could
be
providing
if.
I
C
Know
the
we
have
a
sort
of
bare-bones
staff
to
manage
this
program,
and
so
it's
largely
oriented
towards
processing
the
applications.
However,
given
that
it's
embedded
in
the
Department
of
Human
Services
as
we
encounter
households
who
are
either
in
financial
straits
or
you
know
medical
issues,
we
then
do
a
referral
process
internally
to
our
we
have
our
own.
You
know
financial
literacy,
people
in-house
in
the
department
we
have
case
managers
who
can
help
with
whatever
that
household
may
need.
Okay,.
I
A
K
You,
mr.
pizzette,
let
me
just
echo
mr.
Vyse
dad
and
you
missed
chairman
and
thanking
the
working
group
chairman
Hollen
great
work
on
a
very
dense,
difficult
subject
that
not
only
involves
you
know,
understanding
code
and
being
able
to
apply
that
to
local
ordinance,
and
you
know
putting
together
a
various
detailed
matrix
of
categories
that
you'd
like
to
include.
But
you
had
the
overlay
of
having
a
workgroup
that
was
comprised
or
composed.
I
always
get
those
mixed
up
of
individuals
who
are
directly
affected
by
this
program.
K
A
K
B
Sure
so,
as
I'm
sure
you're
aware,
retirement
is
changing,
less
and
less
people
are
on
a
defined
benefit.
Pension
and
more
folks
rely
on
a
401k
to
fund
the
retirement
costs
under
the
program
401k
caught
401k
value
is
included
in
the
asset
calculation,
where,
as
pension
is
not
I,
mean,
obviously
pension
would
count
as
income,
but
that's
something
we're
conscious
of
and
I
think.
B
As
you
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
people
who
have
a
401
K
to
fund
their
retirement,
that
asset
limit
will
need
to
be
adjusted
even
further,
and
so
by
raising
it
up
to
four
thousand
or
was
a
recognition
amongst
the
working
group.
That
retirement
is
changing
the
nature
of
retirements.
Changing
more
folks
have
a
need
to
have
higher
asset
levels,
and
we
felt
it
was
important
to
respond
to
that.
Thank.
K
You
and
the
the
next
piece-
forgive
me
it's
it's
a
little
bit
on
the
nerdy
side,
but
you
know
the
goal
has
been
to
make
this
a
little
easier
to
administer,
but
then
we
have
the
added
layer
of
putting
on
staff.
You
know
looking
at
deductions
from
assets
and
what
I
would
suggest
or
recommend
that
you
consider
in
the
future
iterations
of
this.
Instead
of
tying
the
increase
in
assets
to
the
CPI
you,
the
Consumer
Price
Index
for
urban
areas,
which
you
know
it
does
include
80%
of
the
population.
K
So
it
is
very
well
represented
right,
well,
representative
of
urban
areas.
It
doesn't
do
a
great
job
of
specifically
targeting
the
impact
of
of
inflationary
costs
on
the
elderly.
There
is
an
experimental
price
adjuster
by
the
Bureau
of
Labor
Statistics
cpi-e,
which
takes
into
account
the
housing
and
the
medical
costs
for
the
elderly
which
which
are
higher
than
in
the
general
population,
and
what
you
could
do
with.
If
that
were
the
the
inflation
adjuster,
it
would
limit
the
necessity
to
kind
of
consider
expense
deductions,
because
it's
built
into
the
way
the
CPI
is
calculated.
K
So
I
would
think
that
that
would
just
be
a
little
bit
easier
way
for
people
to
predictably
be
able
to
calculate
whether
they're
gonna
qualify
and
for
staff
to
administer
it
as
opposed
to
the
very
manual
process
of
people.
You
know
putting
together
receipts
and
trying
to
figure
out,
what's
eligible
to
be
deducted
other
people
making
a
determination
if
we
had
a
way
of
just
building
that
in
to
how
assets
were
looked
at
on
an
annual
basis.
That,
to
me
seems
to
make
a
lot
of
sense.
D
D
The
CPI
II
was
not
included
only
because
of
the
fact
that
at
this
point
in
time
it
is
experimental
and
it
is
not
regularly
updated,
reliably
updated
in
the
way
that
CPI
you
is,
but
we
recognized
the
value
of
that,
and
should
it
become
more
widely,
you
know
used
and
more
regularly
updated
in
the
future.
We
would
welcome
the
use
of
that.
K
Kind
of
my
work:
it's
it's
been
experimental
for
28
years,
so
it's
it's
kind
of
baked
in
it's
just
that.
There's
no
requirement
for
BLS
to
sort
of
elevated
to
a
level
of
being
something
that
is
published
regularly
and
it's
always
available
for
free
by
request
from
BLS
and
just
as
various
you
know,
think.
Tanks
and
research
groups
have
tracked
over
the
years
while
it
is
designated
as
experimental.
It
has
proven
to
be
pretty
accurate
and
well
received
among
the
aging
community
is
being
reflective
of
the
particular
cost
pressures
on
that
demographic,
so
that.
A
N
H
We'd
love
to
pull
up
on
that
same
question,
because
I
did,
as
I
was
sort
of
interacting
with
the
new,
with
the
new
proposed
exemptions
or
exclusions.
You
know
I,
think
they're
all
really
fair
and
thoughtful
and
actually
help
serve
the
goal
that
mr.
Dorsey
reference,
which
is
trying
to
target
this
program
and
those
of
the
greatest
need.
H
I
do
wonder,
however,
if
those
you
know
these
new
exemptions,
deductions
exclusions
start
to
work,
in
contrast
to
another
program
goal
and
actually
one
that
I
think
in
the
survey
data
was
highlighted
as
one
of
the
most
important,
which
was
making
the
application
and
reapplication
process
simpler.
I
know
from
the
Rheingold
data
is
71
percent
of
surveyed
homeowners
and
a
hundred
percent
of
focus
group
participants
supported
that
end.
H
So
there's
sort
of
this
potentially
maybe
some
tension
about
changes
to
elements
the
program,
better
refine
and
target
the
goals,
but
could
actually
be
making
the
process
more
complex.
I,
don't
know
that,
there's
a
clear
answer
to
that.
Probably
having
you
know,
well-informed
eligibility
workers.
Staff
is
incredibly
critical,
but
I
would
love
any
insights
from
the
working
group.
As
you
all
wrestled
with
that
tension
and
the
way
you
thought
about
it
or
where
you
came
down
so.
B
H
A
Just
to
follow
up
on
is
a
good
question.
Anyone
that
qualifies
now
qualifies
without
those
additional
exemptions
right.
So
really.
What
you're
looking
at
is
some
marginal
group
of
people
who
may
not
yet
qualify
right,
who
could
or
some
of
those
who,
with
this
recommend
set
of
recommendations,
might
lose
a
qualification
but
still
qualify
with
some
of
these
ditional
exemptions.
Exactly.
C
C
F
A
Like
to
go
back
then
to
mr.
Vyse
that's
earlier
question,
there
were
three
or
four
things:
I
think
we
want
to
touch
on.
At
least
I
have
on
a
list
to
outreach
a
little
bit
which
miss
Garvey
raised
earlier,
the
home
value
program
management
and
then
the
budget-
and
there
may
be
other
policy
questions.
But
let's
go
to
the
home
value
that
was
raised
earlier
on
and
see
with
their
with
how.
How
would
you
like
to
phrase
a
question
on
that?
Mr.
Vyse,
that
so.
E
You,
mr.
chair,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
I
honestly
have
not
come
to
a
firm
conclusion
on
whether
or
not
a
home
home.
The
home
value
should
be
capped
or
made
of
criteria,
which
is
why
I
am
suggesting
that
we
direct
the
manager
to
look
into
the
question
a
little
more
so
I
do
have
some
language
and
I,
don't
know,
hope,
Alec
I
know
you
have
a
copy
of
it.
I
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
to
show
it
on
the
screen,
but
I
can
just
read
it.
E
It's
it's
just
one
sentence:
the
board
directs
the
manager
to
study
the
policy
and
practical
implications
of
addressing
property
value,
considering
either
or
both
land
and
improvement
as
a
criterion
for
seniors
property
tax
relief,
so
that
the
board
may
consider
this
metric
in
the
context
of
the
fiscal
year
2019
county
budget
and
in
developing
any
necessary
changes
to
the
Arlington
County
Code.
So
what
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
it's
certainly
on
the
surface.
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
fiscal
dynamic
at
play
here,
obviously,
because
any
tax
relief
costs
our
Treasury
money.
E
But
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
in
certain
circumstances,
but
there's
also
an
equity
issue.
As
to
you
know
what
is
the
value
of
an
individual's
home?
How
big
of
a
lot
its
situation
situated
on
and
so
forth?
We
know
that
a
number
of
other
jurisdictions
have
certain
limits,
as
we
saw
in
one
of
the
charts.
So
this
language
is
intended
to
be
broad
enough
that
that
the
manager
is
going
to
give
us
some
feedback
on
the
policy
and
practical
dynamin.
A
A
L
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
should
take
a
look
at
as
we're
preparing
the
2019
budget.
We
have
to
do
so
in
concert
with
the
county
attorney
also
because
there
are
some
legal
issues
that
I
think
our
best
feel
free
to
weigh
in
here
Michelle,
because
you've
talked
there's
sort
a
little
bit
murky
at
the
moment
whether
we
have
the
ability
to
actually
include
this
force
and
if
we
can't
include
whether
we
can
split
out
the
the
land
from
the
improvements
we.
M
L
But
I
mean
that's
where
it
gets
to
the
very
end
of
the
conversation,
which
is,
as
my
anticipation
at
the
end
of
this,
that
you'll
have
some
consensus
recommendation
that
it
would
be
my
hope
will
be
my
hope,
whatever.
That
is,
that
we
included
as
part
of
the
proposed
upcoming
the
fiscal
19
budget
speak.
A
C
We
are
recommending
that
we
start
the
implementation
of
the
phase
1
recommendations
immediately.
That
would
be
now
July.
Some
of
some
of
them
will
go
quickly.
Administrative
programmatic,
most
likely
code
changes
will
require,
of
course,
longer
amount
of
time
because
those
in
them
that's
not
just
working
with
the
county
attorney,
but
they
also
require
an
additional
public
process,
and
so,
if
we
do
are
able
to
wrap
those
up
by,
let's
say
the
end
of
well
a
year
from
now
right.
L
F
A
Begin,
your
request
is
that
that
we
authorize
you
to
begin
implementing
the
phase
1
recommendations
all
right
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
next
year,
a
year
and
a
half
from
now
right.
So
when
we
say
that
that
included
summary
different
calculations
for
assets
and
income,
but
you're
not
really
changing
the
uncommon
asset
levels
until
those.
L
A
January
19
right,
ok
and
that's
all
I'm
trying
to
clarify
is
the
language
leads
one
to
believe
begin
implementation,
but
it's
taking
the
administrative
steps
to
actually
effect
the
changes
in
calculating
income
and
assets,
etc,
etc,
not
for
a
year
and
a
half,
but
you
want
to
prepare
for
it.
You
want
to
do
whatever
code
changes
are
necessary.
You
want
to
do,
but
but
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that
we'd
begin
implementing
different
income
and
asset
levels.
Now
we
wouldn't
be
actually
starting
them
until
January
of
19.
M
Just
want
to
add
that
part
of
the
practical
reason
for
that
is
because,
as
Anita
and
Mark
we're
saying
these
are
code
changes,
so
you
have
an
RTA
we're
too
late
for
July.
Do
you
don't
I
mean
in
an
advertisement,
and
the
program
is
on
a
January
first
16
basis
and
we're
affecting
nine
hundred
people's
households?
We
we
want
to
have
the
full
time
to
really,
as
you
said,
educate
them
on
the
changes,
because
a
lot
of
people
will
move
between
categories
and
this
whole
thing
it
just
we're
really
affecting
people's
day-to-day
lives.
A
A
K
What
might
be
you
know
universally
considered,
high
levels
like
$1,000,000
or
above
even
though
reflects,
even
though
it
includes
a
relatively
a
few
number
of
households.
I
do
think
it's
important
to
make
a
statement
about
who
this
program
is
for
and
if
we
can
clearly
determine
those
whom
we
deem
to
be
most
in
need,
it's
our
responsibility
to
the
entire
community
to
do
so,
and
to
not
allow
people
who
have
the
wherewithal
to
to
you
know,
pay
their
taxes
and
to
not
require
relief,
not
to
get
it.
K
A
H
I
wanted
to
just
transfer
a
piece
of
a
conversation
we
were
having
earlier
to
this
question
about
caps
on
property
values,
because
I
think
even
with
additional
guidance
or
requests
for
staff
expertise.
I,
don't
know
that
the
working
group
is
going
to
continue
to
meet
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
extract
and
surface
all
the
nuance
of
your
conversations
about
this.
H
So
one
of
the
working
group
member
is
a
dissenting
member
I've
written
to
us
that
you
know
concern
that
there
are
other
resources
not
taken
into
account
for
folks
in
homes
who,
which
are
valued
well
above
the
median
reverse
mortgages
home
equity
lines
of
credit.
You,
mr.
Holland,
you
had
mentioned
sort
of,
as
you
learned
more
about
some
of
the
decisions
people
enter
into
with
regard
to
long
term
care
that
they
were
looking
at
their
home
is
a
source
of
equity
to
pay
for
that.
H
Is
that
also
true
into
that
also
sort
of
shade
the
conversation
about
caps,
the
people
you
know
even
in
homes
well
above
the
median,
anticipate
that
that's
the
the
amount
of
the
value
of
their
home
either
it's
above
the
median
is
commensurate
with
what
they'll
need
to
pay
for
end-of-life
or
long-term
care.
Any
any
reflections
you
can
add
for
us
yeah.
B
So
I
mean
just
a
little
bit
talking
through
the
process
of
the
working
group
we
had.
We
had
three
subcommittees
and
and
the
Subcommittee
on
program
management
looked
at
this
issue
very
closely,
and-
and
you
know
we
had
four
four
members,
including
myself,
who
were
on
that,
and
you
know
we
initially
talked
about
having
maybe
well
it's.
You
know,
as
you
saw
in
the
recommendations,
both
maybe
it's
the
median
home
value,
and
then
we
talked
maybe
a
multiplier
of
what
that
median
home
value
is
and
and
I
do
think.
B
You
know
the
working
group
was
split
on
where
we
should
should
kind
of
come
down
on
this
issue
and
that's
why
we
weren't
able
to
come
to
a
consensus
of
a
recommendation
and
I.
Think
the
the
there
were
some
very
good
points
raised
in
the
dissenting
opinion
and
certainly
a
valuable
perspective.
There
I
think
that
you
know
something
like
a
reverse.
B
Mortgage
I
think
has
a
very
negative
connotation
and
you
know,
based
on
on
the
historic
thoughts
around
that
term,
but
I
think
there
may
be
an
evolution
in
reverse
mortgages
and
and
just
a
new
kind
of
a
new
approach
that
the
federal
government
is
taking
to
them.
That
that
could
present
an
alternative
way
of
having
a
funding.
Or
you
know,
looking
at
a
different
approach
to
how
we
do
this
and
is.
H
There
are
there
any
comments
that
you
would
raise
for
us
now,
as
we
consider
this
and
probably
associate
myself
with
mister
Dorsey's
point
of
view
about
really
wanting
to
continue
to
refine
this
program,
and
if
this
might
be
one
way
in
which
we
do
that.
So
you
know.
Obviously
this
wasn't
a
recommendation
of
the
working
group
for
a
reason.
So
are
there
any
points
that
you
would
leave
us
with
in
terms
of
those
members
of
working
group
who
felt
the
greatest
concern
about
instituting
a
cap
at
the
median
or
a
multiplier
level?.
B
B
F
C
C
But
you
know
the
folks
who
are
on
the
affordable
housing
side
of
the
argument
believe
that
there
should
be
a
cap
to
the
home
value,
because
we
shouldn't
be
long
equity
issue,
benefiting
individuals
who
really
have
that
kind
of
resource
in
their
home
and
to
the
to
the
detriment.
So
to
speak,
because
if
you're
taking
four
million
dollars
right,
it's
four
million
dollars.
It's
not
going
to
some
other
either
the
general
fund
or
to
the
purpose
of
helping
very
low-income
seniors
and
people
with
disability
and
I'm.
C
Looking
at
Katherine
Scruggs
right
now,
and
then
the
other
side
of
the
argument
was
well.
No,
you
know
if
you
have
your
retirement
assets
and
your
your
401ks
that
have
been
established
in
and
they're
they're
sitting
in
the
value
of
your
home.
That's
what
you're
banking
on
for
whenever
you
end
up
in
that
ultimate
situation,
where
you're
gonna
be
in
high-cost,
assisted,
living
or
end-of-life
well.
A
It
strikes
me
that
the
the
thing
I'd
be
most
concerned
about
is
not
disadvantaging.
Somebody
who
happened
to
have
bought
a
house
and
lived
in
at
40
or
50
years
and
then
all
the
big
McMansions
that
grew
up
around
them
drives
their
home
value
up
to
a
point
that
you
know
they're
paying
the
penalty
for
it.
On
the
other
hand,
the
person
that
has
the
modest
home,
like
everyone
else
and
is
now
gotta,
has
just
invested
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
a
home.
A
Somehow
I,
don't
look
kindly
on
that
as
much
that
person
qualifying
for
an
exemption
if
they've
had
the
ability
to
enhance
their
home
some
way.
So
how
you
actually
parse
all
those
scenarios,
you
know
and
are
we
looking
at
the
value
of
a
home
or
the
net
of
what's
not
outstanding
in
terms
of
a
owned
owed
at
home?
But
you
don't
want
to
drive
someone
to
go
borrow
off
of
it
to
be
able
to
qualify
because
the
net
puts
them
in
the
qualification
range,
so
I
think
it
becomes
quite
complicated
and
good
luck
on
that.
A
I
What
you
were
saying
too,
because
it
occurs
to
me
to
a
lot
of
our
most
vulnerable,
don't
own
homes.
You
know
this
is
just
again
how
we
continue
to
support
homeownership
and
people
who
are
lucky
enough
and
up
at
a
certain
income
level
to
own
homes
and
it
kind
of
just
increases
the
the
divide.
So
there's
a
lot
to
consider
I,
think
I'll
say
we're
getting
to
the
end,
so
I'm
going
to
say
my
thank-yous.
You
know
we've
been
sort
of
thinking
about
this
for
awhile
and
I.
I
Think
we
all
had
the
sense
that
this
was
kind
of
a
big,
complex
sort
of
issue
and
it
sure
is
more
complex
than
maybe
at
least
I
had
anticipated,
I
think
with
the
coming
wave
of
aging
baby
boomers,
it's
more
and
more
important
and
which
actually
so
thank
you
for
that
and
actually
I
hope,
I
mean
don't
lose.
The
people
that
were
in
this
group
I
hope
miss
Herndon,
maybe
is
staying
close
to
Arlington,
even
if
you're
leaving
your
home
and
so
are
you
staying
close
to?
Are
you
staying
in
Arlington?
I
I
C
I
B
Just
to
follow
up
all
that
I,
there
is
one
recommendation
in
the
in
phase
three
which
talks
about
you
know
looking
at
ways
of
having
more
multi-generational
housing
and
and
some
of
those
opportunities
and
I
think
we
need
to
you
know,
think
outside
the
box,
I
mean
what
are
the
universities
here.
What
are
the
the
ways
to
promote
more
multi-generational
housing?
You
know,
as
you
mentioned,
the
by
2040
I.
Think
the
population
above
the
age
of
65
is
gonna
double
in
the
Commonwealth.
So
it's
a
lot
of
changes
coming.
Okay,.
A
Let
me
ask
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
wanted
to
weigh
in
on
and
give
comment
on,
which
has
been
a
question
at
some
points
in
the
communities
program
management.
Again,
your
working
group
did
not
come
up
with
a
clear
recommendation
as
far
as
I
remember,
but
would
it
be
useful
for
this
board
to
do
so
and
thus
suggest
the
three
options
are
leaving
it
here
in
the
manager
under
the
manager,
leaving
it
you
sending
it
to
the
Commissioner
of
the
revenue
or
doing
some
hybrid,
and
it
might
be
good
to
finalize
that
discussion?
A
K
Would
just
say
that
there
there
are
certainly
compelling
reasons
to
think
about
it's
staying
in
DHS.
There
are
compelling
things
to
think
about
where
it
could
be
located
if
it
were,
if
it
were
different.
I
have
yet
to
really
see
any
coherent
analysis.
That
gives
me
the
sense
that
there
is
a
no-brainer
solution
here
and
you
know
I
think.
K
Instead
of
focusing
on
where
it's
housed,
we
should
figure
out
what
are
the
advantage,
maybe
that
we
could
or
what
are
the
potential
benefits
that
would
be
derived
from
being
in
a
different
location
and
seeing
if
we
might
export
them
to
the
current
location,
because
I
don't
think,
there's
an
either/or
that
produces
any
as
this
process
it's
gone
gone
through
I,
don't
see
how
moving
it
will
make.
It
will
allow
it
to
be
delivered
any
more
efficiently
or
more
effectively.
K
A
E
The
only
dynamic
I
would
share
us
that
I,
you
know
I
think
we
heard
a
little
bit
earlier
in
our
conversation
today.
How
important
it
is
to
link
folks
who
made
or
who
are
taking
advantage
or
availing
themselves
of
assistance
in
one
area
they
may
have
other
needs
as
well.
You
know
they
may
have
mental
health
needs,
they
may
have
physical
health
needs
and
so
forth,
and
it
just
strikes
me
that
that
our
Department
of
Human
Services
may
be
in
a
better
position
to
help
coordinate
those
types
of
services.
A
I
Because
I
said
I
wouldn't
talk
again,
I'm.
Sorry
thank
you.
They
did
say
they
have
two
pages
of
outreach.
That
could
still
be
done
it
that's.
It
brings
me
to
another
data
point.
Do
you
know
how
many
people
who
are
in
this
program
also
access
other
services
I,
think
you
do
I
think
I've
seen
that
so
that
that
would
be
useful
to
know
right.
A
A
L
I
I'm
I'm
going
to
dodge
that
question
by
only
saying
that
if
we,
if,
if
we
do
this,
we
will
need
an
additional
FTE
that
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
asking
the
board
right
now
to
raise
taxes
to
put
in
another
FTE.
I
could
be
done
through
reallocation.
It
could
be
done
through
I'm.
Just
saying
the
size
of
this
program
would
have
to
be
a
little
bit
bigger
than
it
is
now
by
those
amounts.
I.
A
C
C
C
C
My
priority
is
to
do
our
work
efficiently
and
effectively
so
that
people
can
get
their
benefits
in
them
in
a
prompt
way,
but
so
we
are
in
a
bureaucracy
any
time
you
have
new
rules
and
regulations
and
calculations.
You
have
to
set
up
policies
and
protocols
so
that
they're
transparent
for
the
public
to
see
all
the
administrative
changes
that
are
required
will
take
some
time.
The
outreach
will
take
time.
I
have
0.75
person,
FTE
allotted
for
this
920
households,
the
same
point
seven-five
that
is
doing
the
calculation.
C
C
A
H
Just
commend
to
her
attention
read
the
final
pages
of
the
report,
which
talks
about
the
additional
outreach
expected
I
mean
there's
three
dozen
different
organizations
and
events
listed
here
right,
so
that
work
alone
is
pretty
significant.
I
think
we've
all
sort
of
given
a
head
nod
to
this
idea
that
there
are
more
folks
who
are
eligible
for
this
program.
We're
not
currently
participating
and
we'd
like
to
see
more
outreach
to
them.
So
this.
M
Will
even
changes
like
adding
retroactive
relief,
which
requires
an
analysis
and
evaluation
right
of?
Are
those
folks
eligible
another
criteria
we've
raised
and
then
yeah
that
what
it
could
be
marginal
impactive,
as
you
want
noted
those
deductions
and
we'll
see,
but
the
disability
income,
the
reevaluate
household
income
I
mean
they
all
sort
of
all
together.
Could
it
be
three
quarters
of
an
FTE?
Who
knows
you
know,
but
anyway,.
A
A
E
A
A
There
are
a
lot
of
things
in
here
eyes
there
and
and
if
we
don't
hear
anything
to
the
contrary,
the
presumption
is
that
we
as
a
body
are
comfortable
moving
forward
directing
the
manager
to
move
forward
with
his
recommendation
to
us,
which
is
to
implement
begin
implementation
of
the
is
one
recommendations
and
to
in
fact
begin
implementing
the
program
in
january
of
nineteen
is
that
right,
as
proposed
by
essentially
a
hybrid
of
the
working
group
and
the
the
staff?
There
was
great
similarity.
A
H
Recommendation
twenty
aged
in
the
ways
to
age
in
the
community
is
a
little
bit
of
discussion
about
this,
but
I
I
just
I
think
this
is
so
valuable
and
so
important
to
us
to
think
about
in
context
of
our
sector.
Planning
exercises
ongoing
conversations
of
CE
Phe,
so
its
explore
ways
to
enable
older
residents
to
age
in
the
community
in
affordable,
multi
age,
multi-unit
developments
as
well
as
assisted
living
facilities
with
accessibility
and
supportive
services.
I
am
new
to
this
term
age
in
the
community
instead
of
age
in
place
and
I.
Think
there's
a
lot.
H
I
just
really
wanted
to
highlight
the
idea
of
you
know:
we've
talked
to
some
extent
about
missing
middle
housing
form
in
single-family,
neighborhoods
I
know,
that's
work
that
C
PhD
is
has
going
on
and
around
the
country
we're
starting
to
see
those
kind
of
small
cottage
models
or
stacked
flats
is
really
attractive.
Opportunities
for
older
residents
and
and
to
have
that
in
Arlington
would
require
code
change.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
looking
at
this
in
context
of
Lee
highway
that
mr.
H
A
Good
good
point:
okay
hearing
nothing
else:
I
will
just
add
my
thanks
to
this
from
everyone
else
for
those
of
you
that
are
still
with
us
from
the
working
group.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
work
when
you
hear
the
chairman
of
the
group
says,
and
he's
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
different
advisory
groups
and
as
if
this
was
the
best
run
in
the
most
functional
and
I,
think
you
got
into
some
really
interesting
and
complicated
policy
questions.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
We're
glad
to
be
essentially
adopting
pretty
much
what
you
put
forward
and
we'll
see
how
that
plays
out
and
certainly
want
to
track
it
and
manage
it.
Well.
So
again,
thanks
to
all
we
are
adjourned,
we'll
be
back
in
a
half
an
hour
for
another
work
session.
Is
it
a
half
an
hour
half
an
hour
for
another
work
session.