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A
October
21st
virtual
trespass
towing
advisory
board
meeting.
I
wanted
to
go
around,
introduce
myself
and
the
rest
of
our
attendees,
I'm
caitlin,
thomas
I'm
one
of
the
staff
coordinators.
I
work
in
the
county,
manager's
office
and
also
ben
aiken.
He
is
the
other
staff
coordinator
and
our
contact
information
is
in
the
agenda,
and
so
we
also
here
we
have
our
chairman,
mr
matt
chiste,
and
we
have
dr
james
toomey,
miss
latasha,
chamberlain
and
miss
kimberly
jones,
all
part
of
our
police
department,
and
we
have
mr
fred
schiller.
He
is
with.
A
A
B
Okay,
I
guess
yeah,
you
all
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
you
there's
not
much
to
I
guess
review
here,
but
I
guess:
does
everyone
approve
of
of
the
agenda?
Basically
we're
gonna
take
a
quick
spin
through
meeting
minutes
from
2019
and
then
go
through
the
proposed
changes
that
came
out
of
that
and
then
open
the
floor
for
new
business
or
discussion.
B
Any
any
objections
are
we
good
to
move
to?
I
guess
you
know
bullet
point
three
and
a
half
here
good
to.
A
Go
ahead,
I'm
sorry.
I
need
to
mute
myself
go
ahead.
B
So,
just
for
bullet
point
three
and
a
half
right.
Like
I
said
there,
we
have
the
meeting
minutes
from
2019.
fred.
I
assume
you
have
those
in
front
of
you
as
well.
There
here
we
go.
B
B
So
I
guess
I
I
would
open
the
floor.
I've
got
a
couple
of
I
mean
I
just
skimmed.
This
I've
got
one
or
two
bullet
points
to
cover
in
this
the
notes
from
last
meeting,
but
I
first
opened
the
floor.
If
anyone
else
has
anything
else
that
they
wanted
to
cover
from
this
document,
if
they
reviewed
it
or
if
you
want
me
to
go
first
and
just
open
the
floor
for
discussion.
B
I
will
yeah
just
to
keep
the
moody
the
meeting
flowing.
I
will
consider
silences
consent
but
feel
free
to
interrupt
at
any
time.
So
I
just
start
a
couple
of
points
here.
If
we
go
down
a
little
bit
caitlyn
underneath
marking
of
vehicles
in
the
italicized.
B
In
that
first
bullet
point,
we
were
going
to
ask
whether
or
not
that
first
paragraph
county
attorney
input
needed
regarding
whether
towers
are
required
to
have
trucks
marked
the
proposal
last
time
was
to
have
the
spotters
be
in
marked
vehicles,
and
the
question
was
whether
or
not
it's
even
legal,
to
allow
the
county
to
require
the
spotters
to
be
in
the
same
marked
vehicles
like
the
tow
trucks
themselves
are.
B
This
was
a
an
open
question
to
the
county,
which
I
don't
think
I
saw
addressed
so
I
guess
my
motion
here
would
be
to
to
re-ask
this
question.
If
it
hasn't
been
addressed,
kaitlin
or
ben.
Do
you
do
you
know
about
that?
One.
A
I
don't
have
it
here
in
my
notes.
I
will
have
to
look
through,
I'm
actually
not
sure.
If,
if
I
dress
up
with
her,
I
honestly.
D
A
Remember
I
could
have,
but
if
not,
I
definitely
will
I'm
gonna
look
through
and
see
if
I
have
anything,
but
if
not,
I
definitely
can't
I
can
act
on.
B
Okay-
and
I
don't
I
think-
for
these-
these
are
just
follow-up
bullet
points,
so
we
don't
need
a
motion
just
to
move
forward.
We
can
do
the
the
formal
process.
I
guess
on
the
on
the
other
one.
Let's
see
the
the
next
thing
that
I
started
was
simply
saying
like
what
I
what
I
started
this
with
was
discussion
of
opening
meetings
to
three
times
a
year.
It's
it's
basically,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
E
Could
we
just
break
with
someone
new
joined
us?
I
just
want
to
offer
an
introduction
and
then
you
can.
You
can
continue.
A
Hi
is
this
joe
kennedy:
this
is
caitlin
thomas,
I'm,
the
staff
coordinator
for
the
trespass
towing
advisory
board.
I
wanted
to
say
hello.
I
see
you
joined
us.
We're
going
to
be
doing
public
comment
at
the
end
feel
free
to
listen
to
the
meeting
in
its
entirety.
But
if
you
wanted
to
say
something,
I
would
just
ask
you
to
mute
until
the
end
and
then
we
will
open
that.
B
Up
great,
thank
you
for
that.
I
guess
yeah.
The
bullet
point
was
what
I
was.
What
I
was
talking
about
was
that
we
want
to
do.
I
mean,
as
chairperson,
underneath
discussion
of
opening
mem
opening
meeting
to
three
times
a
year.
I
wanted
to
thank
the
the
county
board
for
actually
responding
this
time.
B
We
basically
the
bullet,
point
basically
said
yeah
we'll
have
the
next
meeting
the
next
time
we
get
some
responses
from
the
county,
so
that
was
just
a
thank
you
to
the
county
for
for
providing
us
with
the
with
the
proposed
changes,
which
is
the
next
bullet
point,
so
that
was
really
all
I
had
to
to
go
over
there.
There
was
some
discussion
about
rate
increases
and
everything
which
I
guess
we
can.
B
I
think
there
are
some
bullet
points
in
the
the
code
changes,
but
is
there
anything
that
anyone
wants
to
to
address
from
last
year
in
terms
of
the
rate
increases
or
the
barnacle
stuff?
I
thought
was
very
interesting
last
time
that
we
didn't
get
too
much
into
any
questions
or
comments.
B
Okay,
I
think
we
get
to
some
of
those
bullet
points
in
the
the
proposed
code
changes
caitlyn.
I
think
you
had
suggested.
We
just
go
through
the
the
deltas
in
the
the
document
and
then
we
vote
in
the
end,
whether
we
agree
or
if
we
have
any
any
proposed
changes,
is
that
that
work
for
everyone,
just
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
guess
good
okay,
so
I
have
a
draft
document.
B
Does
your
document
contain
the
the
comments
on
it
caitlin,
or
are
we
just
going
to
go
through
the
the
regular
document.
A
My
I
am
going
to
share
with
the
group.
Thus
what
I
have
I
have
what
you
sent
me.
What
I'm
sharing
is
just
with
my
comments,
because
this
is
what
staff
has
agreed,
and
this
is
what
staff
is
supporting
and
staff
wants.
The
t
tab
to
look
over
and
past
words
is
what
we
are
approving
to
be
recommended
to
the
t
tab.
So
that's
what
I'm
sharing
and
then
feel
free
to
you
know
you
can
share
whatever
you
like
with
the
group.
C
B
In
theory,
if
you
all
sign
on
the
dotted
line
on
this,
this
would
be
the
these
would
be
the
code
changes
that
would
then
go
to
for
to
public
hearings
where
the
county
would
propose,
and
then
the
public
would
would
come
in
and
make
additional
comments
or
procedurally.
What
is
the
next
step
for
these
changes?.
A
Right
so
procedurally,
I
guess
right
now:
I've
worked
with
the
code
now
the
changes
I
have
dropped
it
up
were
based
on
the
past
two
ttap
meetings.
I
worked
with
the
county
attorney
and
we-
and
this
was
also
based
on
the
two
t-tab
meetings
and
virginia
code
and
we've.
We
were
basically
working
to
reconcile
the.
A
So
that
was
a
purpose
and
we
are
bringing
it
now.
This
is
a
clean
copy,
a
clean
version
that
we
are
bringing
to
the
t
tab
for
either
your
stamp
of
approval
and
hypothetically.
If
there
are
no
changes,
if
a
tab
agrees
with
everything
written
as
it
is,
then
we
can
take.
This
staff
can
take
this
to
the
manager
for
recommendation
to
the
county
board.
A
If
the
t
tab
wants
to
make
changes
to
the
document
or
add
any
markups
or
anything,
then
that's
fine,
but
then,
once
that
happens,
staff
has
to
go
back
to
the
county
attorney
shore
it
up
make
it
basically
reconcile
it
with
the
making
sure
everything
is
legal
to
go
forward,
and
then
we
will
come
back
to
the
t.
Tab
with
what
staff
in
the
county
attorney
has
worked
on.
Work
done.
E
I
just
make
one
point
of
clarification:
we
can
come
back
to
the
ttap
mat
that
and
that
would
be
sort
of
up
for
based
on
logistics,
whether
you
we
think
that
that's
appropriate
or
whether
in
the
interest
of
getting
some
code,
changes
in
front
of
the
board
this
year,
depending
on
timing,
we
may
that
opportunity
will
fast
slip
behind
us.
So
I
think
I'm
just
noting
that
you
know
just
based
on
schedules.
We
have
to
advertise
changes
and
then
adopt
changes.
E
So
that's
like
a
two-month
process
just
in
and
of
itself
the
county
attorney's
office
review
took
months
the
last
time,
so
I'm
just
offering
that
kind
of
friendly
two
cents
to
sort
of
contextualize
how
long
this
might
change.
E
What
might
take,
but
you're
welcome
to
mark
up,
provide
recommendations
and
even
if
staff,
for
whatever
reason
say,
the
county
attorney,
can't
support
the
changes
because
they're
not
legally
permissible
or
we
can't
reconcile
the
language
staff
will
advance
the
changes
and
then
the
t
tab
would
be
certainly
offered
the
opportunity
to
either
make
public
comment
or
submit
public
comment
or
testimony
to
the
county
board
in
advance
of
those
public
meetings.
So
that
those
are
kind
of
all
the
flavors
of
options
there.
B
Okay-
and
there
certainly
are
things
like
I
said-
I've
got
the
biggest
notes.
I
have
are
about
these-
these
contract
issues,
which
you
know
didn't
necessarily
make
it
into
here,
but
we
could
just
call
this
our
gold
copy
draft
to
move
forward
and
defer
contract
recommendations
for
the
next
one
or
for
public
hearings,
or
something
like
that.
B
A
Did
the
last
I
don't
want,
we
can
jump,
I
don't
want
to
jump
ahead,
but
I
just
thought
the
last
item
on
the
on
the
ordinance
changes
address
the
contract
until
the
second
to
last,
but
we
once
we
get
there.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
I
thought
that
would
have
addressed
the
contract
issues.
B
Yeah
and-
and
we
certainly
can
get
there
like
you
know-
I'm
fine-
if
it's
as
is
what's
interesting
about
this
code-
is
like
there's,
actually
several
sections,
several
high-level
sections
that
continue
to
reference
the
same
thing,
so
it's
like
the
tower's
required
to
you
know,
take
photographs
on
the
tours
required
to
provide
the
photographs.
So
for
some
of
the
contract
issues
it
was
just
like.
Well
that
should
be
included
in
all
the
repeating
bullet
points.
Again
we
can.
B
B
So
unless
there
are
any
objections,
so
we
can
go
through
with
the
comments
here.
I
think
we've
all
read
this
document
a
thousand
times,
so
maybe
we
just
start
with
with
the
comments
themselves.
Does
anyone
have
to
read
this
in
real
time
or
has
everyone
pre-reviewed
these?
These
comments,
I'm
going
to
assume
everyone
has
pre-reviewed
them
and
unless
I
have
any
comments,
I'm
just
going
to
continue
to
move
through
them.
Is
that
a
legit
assumption
or
do
we
want
to
read
each
comment
out
loud.
B
So
yeah
so
for
the
first
comment,
one
of
the
the
other
kind
of
introductions
to
this
code,
which
came
up
again,
I
think
from
al-
was
the
immobilization
type
of
stuff
and
the
barnacles,
which
I
guess
they
were
doing
in
pentagon
city.
I
had
no
objection
to
codifying
that.
I
feel,
like
that's
a
you
know,
it's
a
good
protection
for
residents,
because
it
it's
much
less
likely
that
their
vehicle
gets
damaged.
So
from
from
my
perspective,
all
these
bullet
points
about
immobilization,
I
feel
like,
are
warranted
and
we
discussed
them
last
time.
B
So
I'm
fine
with
skipping
forward
to
the
next
comment.
Again.
Anyone
feel
free
to
speak
up
and
interrupt
if
they,
if
they
feel
otherwise.
B
C
B
I'll
defer
to
you
caitlyn
one.
Second,
I
I
was
just
saying
this.
The
entire
point
of
this
code
is
for
trespass
telling
and
they're
just
saying:
hey
those
people
aren't
trespassing
if
they're
wrecked
or
if
it's
a
police
car
but
you're
right
fred.
If
someone
gets
in
a
fender,
bender
and
parks
in
a
lot
for
for
three
days
like
they're
at
some
point,
they
become
a
wrecked
car
to
a
to
a
trespassing
vehicle.
So
do
you
do
you
have
a
motion?
Did
you
want
to
change?
I
I.
C
E
I
I'd
offer
that
we
just
document
that
question
as
an
open
question
and
staff
can
address
that
either
in
the
staff
report
to
the
to
the
board,
or
we
can
get
back
to
the
the
t
tab
in
writing
with
an
answer
from
the
attorney's
office
on
what
it.
E
What
was
exactly
meant,
because
I
think
the
intent
here
is
as
as
matt
was
articulating,
and
I
don't
think
it's
in
it
doesn't
contradict
what
you're
presenting
is
that
it
simply
is
not
supposed
to
apply
where
a
car
would
have
been
otherwise
deemed
to
have
been
in
a
in
a
an
automobile
accident
as
documented
by
police
or
public
safety,
and
maybe.
C
I
had
an
incident
and
it
wasn't
in
alexander's
in
arlington
customer
called
me:
they
were
in
a
fender
bender,
they
pulled
into
a
parking
lot
got
out
of
their
car,
went
into
the
restaurant
or
whatever.
While
the
car
was
wrecked,
they
were
waiting
for
me
to
come
pick
it
up.
There
was
two
vehicles.
We
picked
up
the
first
vehicle
left.
E
Temporary,
I
don't
think
yeah
and
I
don't
think
we
have
any
if
any
of
our
our
friends
from
the
police
department
have
any
comments
on
this
or
whether
they've
come
across
a
similar.
Any
single,
similar.
D
Issues
I
have
not
had
that
ex,
where
the
the
vehicle
is
pulled
up
onto
private
property.
Usually
a
tow
truck
will
respond
and
take
the
vehicle
to
wherever
the
owner
of
the
vehicle
desires
for
it
to
go.
C
When
you
guys
call
for
it,
though,
the
person
calls
their
insurance
company
right
and
it's
not
considered
a
police
initiated
tow
because
they're
still
drivable
enough
to
get
it
off
the
roadway
and
you
guys
let
them
pull
in
the
parking
lots.
I've
seen
it
happen
all
all
the
time
and
let
and
then
the
officer
leaves
that
person
sitting
there
waiting
for
their
tow
truck
to
come
up.
B
B
We
can
vote
on
it
if
you'd,
like
is
just
to
ask
the
question
to
the
county,
because
I
don't
think
we
didn't
add
this
word
wreck
right
or,
or
was
the
word
rec
added
in
this
particular
revision.
E
And
it's
defined,
I
think
you're
referencing,
there
kaelin
the
state
code,
so
we'd
actually
we'd
have
right.
If
this
is
exactly
what
the
state
code
says,
we've
just
got
a
yeah.
It
is
basically.
A
Right
right
definitely
fair.
I
will
see
I
will
run
it
up
the
chain
and
see
what
I
get.
Hopefully
I
can
get
some
answers
for
you,
but
we
will
definitely
come
back
with
it.
B
Cool
we
all
okay
moving
on
good.
Thank
you
for
that
fred,
we'll!
You
know.
We've
got
a
that
action
item
yeah
the
next
one
was
just
the
barnacles.
B
B
and
someone
had
said
well,
we
have
legacy
signs
that
don't
actually
have
365
on
there.
So
I
think
what
we
were
saying
close
change
is
is
like.
If
it
says
24
hours,
then
you
don't
need
to
use
the
word
seven
days,
because
24
hours
is
just
all
the
time,
but
I
I
think
instead
of
striking
this
whole
thing,
it
should
just
say
at
least
24
hours
or
be
more
specific
about,
like
I
wrote
in
my
notes,
like.
B
You
could
say
24
hours
or
equivalent
unambiguous
hours
of
operation
like
let's
say
it's
only
during
business
hours
or
it's
only
during
weekdays.
So
the
thing
we
agreed
on
last
time
was
just
not
to
have
redundant
language
like
24
by
7
by
365,
but
not
to
remove
the
the
time
from
the
the
requirement.
B
So
all
I'm
proposing-
I
guess,
is
in
that
first
bullet
point.
We
can
strike
the
seven
days,
but
not
the
24
hours
part
and
then
in
the
second
point,
where
there's
the
comment,
we
leave
the
end
days
and
strike
the
day
of
the
week
right.
So
it's
still
unambiguously.
C
B
Exactly
and
that's
what
the
requirement
says
now,
I
think
it
says
24
hours
by
seven
days
by
365
even
and
what
we
agreed
last
time
was
hey,
you
don't
need
the
365
or
the
seven
days
you
just
got
to
say
seven
24
hours,
which
is
what
most
of
the
legacy
signs
already
say.
You
just
have
to
specify
the
hours
as
long
you
don't
have
to
be
redundant
right
right.
A
B
B
Yeah-
and
I
guess
I
mean
it's-
it's
a
little
ambiguous
but
without
making
it
too
clear,
like
the
ambiguous
part,
is
if
it
if
there
was
a
tow
lot
that
only
tows
during
business
hours.
Technically,
they
don't
need
to
say
24
hours,
but
you
know
I,
I
think
the
spirit
of
law
is
more
appropriate
here.
Just
get
rid
of
the
seven
days
because
that's
redundant
but
at
least
be
able
to
specify
the
the
the
hours
of
operation.
A
B
So
and
then
technically,
my
hours
of
operation
could
be
nine
to
five
monday
through
friday
or
after
dark
during
the
weekends.
Like
your
hours
can
be
anything
it
doesn't.
You
know,
so
I
feel
like
that
meets
what
we
discussed
last
time.
If
everyone
agrees
any
objections
to
that,
do
we
want
to
do
a
formal
vote
or,
if
that's
pretty,
a
clarification
that
we
voted
on
last
time.
Does
that
everyone
agree
fred,
any
objections?
B
Okay,
so.
B
B
B
B
You
know
that
you
know
literally
advanced
towing,
has
a
restraining
order
against
me
or
what
amounts
to
that
for
going
to
try
and
view
a
contract,
so
the
district
attorney
has
already
determined
that,
from
from
their
perspective,
the
you
know,
advanced
towing
was
violating
these
contracts,
and
we've
heard
advanced
towing
in
previous
meetings
that
that
have
been
recorded,
saying
we
refuse
to
to
show
these
contracts
and
what
we
kind
of
agreed
on
last
time,
as
you
know,
give
us
just
one
of
those
summary
things
which
I
guess
you
know
from
the
this
is
from
the
the
lawsuit
like
these
summary
things
are,
just
you
know,
a
bunch
of
check
boxes
with
contact
information,
so
we
don't
have
to
change
anything
here,
but
I
guess
I
you
know
I
could
bring
it
up
in
in
a
public
hearing
or
something
like
that,
but
my
my
real
concern
is
defining.
B
B
Doesn't
even
give
you
contact
information
so
when
I
was
there
with
the
resident
who
had
been
towed,
he
swears
up
and
down
that
you
know
he
never
even
left
a
lot
went
into
a
restaurant
came
out
and
his
car
was
gone.
He
wanted
to
go
and
complain
to
the
restaurant
owner
or
whoever
authorized
that
toe.
So
what
we
were
looking
for
was
the
the
person
to
complain
to
who
who
had
his
vehicle.
B
So
we
can
defer
it
till
next
time
because
I'd
like
to
see
some
sort
of
changes
come
in.
But
when
I
talk
about
contracts
like
that's,
that
was
my
notes
for
this
particular
bullet
point
that
it
it
says
that
you
shall
maintain
contracts
for
public
inspection,
but
it
doesn't
specify
the
bullet
points
that
are
that
are
required,
and
you
know,
maybe
you
know
the
the
towing
industry
will
will
act
on
its
own
to
you
know,
be
clear
about
what
a
contract
means,
but
you
know
again
from
my
experience
I
I'd.
B
Rather
you
know
codify
it
and
and
make
it
very
clear
because
I've
I've
had
some
obviously
some
questionable
experiences.
So
I
am
fine
with
leaving
this
language
in
you
know
I've.
My
point
has
been
made.
I
put
it
in
writing.
I
think
caitlyn
you
mentioned,
you
might
run
it
by
the
the
the
attorney
just
to
see
if
there's
any
more
clarification
that
could
be
done,
but
I'm
fine
with
leaving
this,
as
is
any
objections
or
comments
to
that.
B
Silence
is
consent.
You
guys
want
to
move.
B
B
D
B
It
seemed
to
me
that
this
sentence-
the
very
first
bullet
point
here-
was
redundant
like
it's
basically
saying
hey
if
a
vehicle's
towed
they
can
get
charged
for
the
tow,
and
I'm
like,
isn't
that
the
whole
point
of
this
entire
document
was
was
documenting,
how
they
could
be
towed
or
how
they
could
be
charged
for
the
the
for
the
towing
caitlin.
Did
you
have
any
specific?
This
was
from
your
comment
here.
Do
you
have
any
specific
reason
why
this
should
be
included
like
at
this
particular
point?
B
A
This
was
just
part
of
the
code
reconciliation.
This
came
from
our
accounting
attorney
added
this
in
and
it's
just
from
virginia
there's
any
code.
It
was
it's
just
part
of
the
reconciliation,
so
that
was
the
point
of
it.
B
I
I've
got
no
objections
if
it
feels
redundant
to
me,
but
I
have
no
objections.
I
don't
think
unless
anyone
objects,
I
don't
think
we
need
a
vote.
Do
we
want
to
include
this
here.
B
Right,
it's!
It
basically
says
what
this
this
document
says
is
yeah.
If
you
get,
if
you
get
caught
trespassing,
you
can
get
charged
for
it.
Okay,
storage
facilities-
I
didn't
have
any
bullet
points.
The
next
one.
I
think.
B
I'll
state
it
here
that
d
right
there
right
underneath
yeah
ced
and
it
says
the
vehicle
owner
shall
have
the
opportunity
to
inspect
the
vehicle.
I
mean
just
a
comment
for
the
record
and
this
one
always
felt
really
weird
to
me
because
yeah
you
have
an
opportunity
to
inspect
it,
but
it
never
actually
codifies
that.
You
know
the
the
towing
company
is
responsible
or
liable
for
for
reckless
actions
or
anything
like
that.
B
On
d
that
bullet
point
d,
the
vehicle
owner
shall
have
the
opportunity
to
inspect
the
vehicle.
It's
the
dead
middle
of
the
screen
right
now
so
yeah
I
mean,
of
course
they
continue
to
inspect
it.
You
know,
there's
no.
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
an
and,
of
course
type
of
bullet
point.
That's
fine!
B
B
Okay,
that's
I
accept
that
explanation.
I
mean
that
that
was
my
concern.
Was
that
like
we're
ignoring
other
counties,
but
if,
if
that's
appropriate,
that,
like
this
code
well,
so,
if
does
this
code
actually
apply
to
fairfax
towers?
I
guess
it
does
right,
because
the
code
applies
to
where
you're
towed
from
okay
sounds
good.
I'm
fine
with
that
bullet
point
then.
B
Yeah
now
down
to
14
3
8.,
okay,
so
this
was
again
the
location
where
the
issue
of
of
providing
the
contract
to
a
resident.
In
that
a
you
know,
we
had
a
one
through
eight.
B
B
And
I
I
had
proposed
some
language
which
again,
I
think,
caitlyn
you
were
going
to
ask
the
the
county
about,
but
I'll
read
it
out
loud
without
even
holding
a
vote
just
to
get
an
idea
of
you
know
what
what
I
was
proposing
here,
but
if
you
get
a
receipt
and-
and
we
already
said
you
have
to
include
you-
know
the
county
to
to
be
able
to
complain-
and
you
know
the
website
and
the
the
legal
code-
that's
relevant,
but
there's
nothing
that
says
in
this
language.
B
It
says,
like
you,
can
request
a
copy
of
the
photograph
or
video
evidence
showing
the
location
of
the
vehicle
and
substantiating
the
reason
for
its
removal
and
the
contract
that
authorizes
the
toe,
including
the
contact
information
for
the
agent
of
the
property
owner
that
authorized
it.
B
The
other
thing
we
don't
talk
about
is
you
have
a
right
to
get
the
photographic
and
video
information,
but
the
unless
it's
specifically
codified
here,
there's
no
email
information
for
the
towing
company
that
that
you
have
to
send
an
email
to
again
I've
dealt
with
emailing,
advanced
towing
and
I
have
video
evidence
of
them.
B
Just
saying:
hey,
no,
we
never
got
the
email,
so
I
guess
at
very
least
contact
information
of
the
towing
company
and
information
about
you
have
the
right
to
request
a
video
or
I'm
sorry,
the
contract,
which
is
discussed
further
on,
but
again
like
in
this
point.
That's
that's
where
I
took
the
notes
again,
I'm
I'm
doing
this
just
to
get
everything
out
there.
B
We
can
use
this
document
as
is
and
provide
it
to
the
county,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
heads
up
to
think
about
it
for
the
next
meeting
about
you
know,
changes
that
I
feel
like
haven't
gone
far
enough
or
they've
gone
far
enough
in
reconciling
with
the
state
code,
but
to
me
as
a
resident
having
gone
far
enough
and
codifying
what
a
resident's
rights
are
when
their
their
vehicle
is
towed.
A
I'm
sorry
I'm
just
going
to
type
I'm
going
to
this
is
what
matt
cheese
day
has
written
up,
so
you
guys
can
all
just
see
it.
I
know
we
just
read
it,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
can
see
what
he
actually
is
proposing
so
this
and
he
wanted
it
in
this
section
and
actually
to
take
out
a
notice
that
a
copy
of
the
photogenic
or
video
evidence
showing
the
location
of
the
vehicle
and
substantiating
the
reason
for
its
removal,
as
required
under
14.3-5,
are
available
upon
request.
A
B
Yeah,
basically
it
was,
it
was
taking
that
that
seven
there
and
just
clarifying
it
it
adds
information
about.
In
addition
to
the
photo
and
the
video,
you
also
have
access
to
the
contract
and
then
also
how
do
I
get
access
to
it,
so
it
it.
It
mentions
things
like
we
discussed
last
time
like
a
self-addressed
stamped
envelope
and
email
contact,
information
so
I'll,
let
you
guys
read
it,
but
it's
basically.
B
I
proposed
it
be
certified
mail,
but
the
towing
industry
shot
that
down
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
meet
in
the
middle
right.
So
I
I
literally
went
on
site
to
advance
towing
with
the
resident
to
get
access
to
this
and
john
o'neill
called
the
cops
and
had
a
restraining
order
filed
against
me.
So
at
some
point
a
resident
needs
at
some.
B
Hey
I
mean
the
law
is
the
law,
so
I
mean
we're
all
trying
to
just
meet
the
code
so
in
in
this
particular
case.
B
If
if,
if
there
was
a
law
that
said
hey,
if
you
have
a
legitimate
business
to
be
on
site,
you
get
access
to
this
stuff,
then
then
I'd
be
fine
with
it,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
address
what
specifically
happened.
Just
like
you
with
the
you
know,
towing
from
sowing
from
a
property
where
there
were
two
wrecked
vehicles
right.
These
situations
don't
happen
very
often,
but
it's
our
job
to
recommend
changes
to
the
county,
to
address
them
and
determine
what
you
know
how
the
county
should
act
or
behave
when
these
things
happen.
C
B
B
B
B
I
am
willing
to
make
a
motion.
I
don't
want
to
derail
kind
of
the
the
objective
of
caitlyn
and
ben
to
move
this
forward
without
this
language
in
here
right
now.
So
how
do
you
guys
feel
caitlyn
ben?
Could
we
make
a
motion
and
make
the
recommendation,
but
also
include
in
here
that
we
don't
want
this
to
derail
the
the
rest
of
the
the
documents
or
the
rest
of
the
changes.
E
Yeah
I
mean
that
that
that's
fine
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
still
the
manager's
discretion
of
what
to
bring
to
the
board
so
you're,
just
advising
us
and
advising
the
board.
So,
however,
you
want
to
form.
The
motion,
I
think
is,
is
fine
with
me.
E
You
can
also
wait
if,
if
you
know
you're
getting
your
virtual
head
nods
right
now,
wait
until
the
end
and
then
make
a
motion
to
basically
recommend
the
document
as
revised
during
discussion
or
something
like
that
and
then
take
it
all
at
one
time
and
then
move
on.
B
Okay,
let's
let's
go
with
that
again,
just
in
the
interest
of
time-
and
you
know,
seems
like
we
all
have
kind
of
a
general
high
level
agreement
for
the
next
one
raising
the
fees.
It
said
that
there
was
a
vote
that
we
raised
the
fees
but
did
did
we
really?
I
can.
A
So
in
2018,
which
was
you
know
prior
to
my
time,
but
I
read
the
minutes
and
there
was
a
recommendation
to
increase
the
base
toe
fee
from
130
to
five
to
150.
However,
that
was
before
it
was
legal
per
the
state
code.
So
but
then,
last
year
there
was
al.
There
was
another
vote
to
raise
it,
and
at
that
point
it
was
legal,
but
the
vote
did
not
pass,
so
I
actually
the
actually.
I
think
the
the
version
that
I
sent
you
the
first
version
I
sent
you.
I've
actually
clarified
it.
A
C
At
one
of
the
original
I
mean
I
I
think
the
rates
up
here
should
reflect
what
the
stack
state
code
said.
Arlington
and
northern
virginia
is
the
most
expensive
area
in
the
whole
state
to
live
in
much
less
operate
in
and
we're
not
getting.
The
state
mental
which
is
150,
which
was
passed
by
the
general
assembly.
B
A
B
And
I'm
opening
to
to
discussion
like
about
raising
the
rate
I
just
I
it's
just
you're
not
getting
the
maximum,
which
again
would
be
a
fair
argument
to
make,
given
that
arlington
is
the
most
expensive
region
in
the
state.
B
A
A
So
what
happened
last
year
was
that
planning
district,
8
and
16,
which
obviously
includes
us,
were
they
were
allowed
by
state
code
to
increase
their
base
toe
fee,
but
that
does
so.
That
means
that
our
county
board
would
obviously
have
to
approve
that
minimum
increase,
and
that
has
not
happened
so
right
now
we
are
just
allowed
to,
but
that
has
not
been
implemented.
B
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
it
hasn't
changed
since
the
last
time
or
the
the
last
meeting,
which
was
you
know
we
discussed
about
what
is
the
justification
for
raising
the
the
price
and
I
I
know
you
know
there
was
discussion
about
the
study
that
the
county
did
and
there's
a
discussion
about.
I
think
even
the
tow
industry
themselves
did
a
did
a
study
about
you
know
they
provided
their
financials
and
said
hey.
B
C
I
did
a
study
with
fairfax
county
and
I
gave
them
the
way
they
calculate
the
cabs,
with
the
increases
for
what
equipment,
costs,
wear
and
tear,
and
this
was
back
in
2009
and
they
came
up
their.
The
county
came
up
using
my
numbers
that
the
price
of
a
tow
should
be
165
back
then.
A
Oh,
so,
can
I
jump
in
and
just
provide
a
little
bit
more
context
so
that
I
don't
think
were
you
in
the
meeting
last
year?
I
don't
think
you
were.
A
Okay,
okay
right,
so
you
know
we,
this
definitely
was
discussed
and
staff
did
bring.
Staff
brought
the
ttabs
recommendations
from
2018
to
the
manager
when
the
tow
was
a
when
the
base
tofi
was
requested
to
be
increased,
but
the
manager
still
the
manager
was
just
asking
for
justification
based
on
economic
data.
A
He's
wanted
to
see
data
and
the
towers
that
we
had
at
the
meeting
last
year
did
not.
We
just
could
not
get
the
data
provided.
So
that's
here
that
you
worked
with
fairfax
and
you
were
able
to
you
know,
provide
data
and
you
guys
came
to
a
a
new
base.
Tow
fee
number,
so
we
are,
the
county
is
more
than
willing
to
hear
and
accept
on
any
information.
You
want
to
provide
that's
great
to.
E
E
I
think
we
could
take
that
as
as
at
least
a
starting
point
for
a
conversation
with
the
manager.
It
was
it
was
to
that
point,
and
we
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
hearing
about
any
study
with
fairfax.
E
My
recollection
was
the
same
as
matt's
and
and
caitlin's
was
that
no
one
provided
anything,
so
we
didn't
have
anything
to
go
on,
but
if
you
provided
really
anything
that
was
more
than
what
we
had
last
year
and
and
also
whatever
the
board,
whatever
the
towing
board
seeks
to
include
now,
but
that
that's
up
to
you
and
we're
more
than
willing
to
to
bring
that
discussion
to
the
manager.
C
I'll
see
if
I
can
find
it
because
I
this
is
like
I
said
back
in
2009.
C
B
I
I
don't
think
I
mean,
I
don't
doubt
it.
I
think
yeah,
just
seeing
literally
even
just
basic
information
like
that.
Even
if
it's
not
a
study,
you
know
or
a
formally
commissioned
thing,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
we
get
it
that
the
cost
of
living
keeps
rising.
But
you
know
my
my
personal
hesitation
is
just
if
the
cost
you
know
like
every
single
time,
like
there's
just
a
proposal
to
to
raise
the
rate.
B
Think
why
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
we
were
uncomfortable
with
or
that's
what
I
was
uncomfortable
with
is
just
because
the
rates
haven't
raised
in
a
long
time.
You
know
that's
what
I
was
uncomfortable
with.
I'm
fine.
C
B
Fair
enough,
I
think
again
you
weren't
attending
in
the
last
meeting,
but
the
the.
C
C
B
B
Love
it
I
I
I
don't
object
to
be
very
clear.
I
don't
object
unilaterally
to
raising
the
rates
if
it's
justified.
So
I
think
I
I
I
like
hearing
you
know
having
someone
being
more.
B
You
know
more
open
to
sharing
those
metrics
and
even
if
it's
shared
privately
with
the
police
officers,
you
know
and
not
with
the
public,
because
I
think
that
was
another
kind
of
concern
from
from
the
last
meeting
is
they
didn't
want
to
share
any
information
at
all,
because
you
know
they
didn't
want
to
make
stuff
public
but
yeah
I
I
would
not
hesitate
to
raise
the
fee.
I
think
you
know
the
property
owners
it's
beneficial
to
property
owners
to
keep
a
viable
towing
industry
in
in
arlington.
B
Like
I,
I
know
it's
it's
an
uncomfortable
and
an
unpleasant
industry,
but
you
know
it's:
it's
got
to
be
done
to
protect
property,
and
if
you
can't
stay
in
business
at
135,
then
then
we
should
vote
to
raise
the
rates,
so
all
we're
all
we're
asking
for
and
when.
C
You
and
again,
if
you're,
getting
paid
what
you're
should
be
getting
paid,
you
don't
have
guys
going
around
doing
stuff.
Well,
that's
kind
of
on
that
borderline
of
gray
area
snag
in
the
car,
where
they'll
be
more
likely
to
say,
okay,
it's
gray
area
when
in
doubt
leave
it
alone.
Like
there's
another
car,
I
can
get
they're
not
scraping
to
get
by.
B
Maybe
it's
a
question
for
the
county,
and
I
know
this
probably
wouldn't
be
popular
with
you
fred,
but
like
what
about
you
know,
could
there
be
some
sort
of
tax
also
included
for
the
for
the
county
like?
So?
If
there
was,
you
know
it
was
175
dollars
a
tow.
Could
you
raise
it
25
for
the
towers
and
25
for
the
county,
just
in
terms
of
to
to
make
enforcement
better
and
and
fred?
I
I
totally
hear
you
right
like
if.
C
C
B
That's
true,
I
I
yeah.
I
think
I
withdraw
that
comment,
because
I
don't
want
to
derail
your
point
about
raising
the
rates
so
for
this
action
item.
Could
we
I
I
mean
jim,
do
you
have
in
mind
what
type
of
evidence
you'd
like
to
see
or
do
you
want
to
leave
it
an
open
book
for
fred
to
postpone
the
vote
like.
B
F
F
Staying
here
visiting
here,
shopping
here,
working
here,
yadda
yadda,
to
make
sure
that
this
the
increase
is
warranted,
that
it's
not
just
to
increase
it,
because
we
can
increase
it
and
that's
basically
what
my
comment
was
last
year
and
that's
why
we
were
asking
just
for
some
measure
of
something
to
justify
the
increase
so
that
when
people
complain
that
all
of
a
sudden
it
jumped
the
price
jumped
that
we
can
say
well.
F
This
is
why
it
jumped
not
just
because
we
can
increase
it,
and
I
think
if,
if
fred
has
that
information,
even
if
it
is
from
2009,
I
think
that's
that's
good.
That's
still
relevant
information
that
that
we
could
use
to
justify
that
the
price
jump
so
that
the
county
board
county
manager
and
everybody
else
is
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
saying.
This
is
why
we
have
to
do
it
is
because
you
know
stuff's
expensive.
F
I
mean
we
all
know
it's
expensive,
but
we
just
want
to
be
able
to
see
it
in
some
sort
of
form
so
that
we
can
make
it
a
lot
more
comfortable
to
to
do
this
price
increase.
B
Yeah-
and
I
like
it-
I
mean
my
only
comment
about
2009-
is
it's
it's
an
old
study
or
or
whatever,
but
whenever
we
raised
from
a
hundred
to
a
hundred,
there
was
a
period-
and
I
remember
it
was
maybe
four
or
five
years
ago,
where
we
raised
it
from
100
to
135
and
we
added
the
extra
50
bucks
in
that
the
next
bullet
point.
What
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
is
just
in
the
last
four
years.
B
B
C
B
That
would
be
enough
for
me
to
see
that
that
difference
in
the
past
four
years,
everyone
else,
jim
leticia,
everyone
feel
okay
with
that.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
that'll
be
good.
B
Cool,
let's
move
on
and-
and
you
know
we
can
do
another
quick
meeting
in
december
when
when
my
chairmanship
ends-
and
we
could
vote
me
out
and
vote
on
that
topic
so
yeah-
I'm
I'm
happy
fred,
I'm
trying
not
to
fight
you
on
it.
I
want
to
want
to
meet
in
the
middle
on
that.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
willing
to
to
work
with
us
on
that.
C
B
Problem
that
was
all
I
had.
I
think
in
that
section,
the
very
last
section.
If
we
go
down
again,
I'm
assuming
no
one
had
any
other
points.
If
we
can
go
down
another
page
caitlyn
to
the
next.
The
next
changes.
A
B
A
Right
so
that
was
that
was
a
chain
that
was
a
legislative
update.
There
was
only
one
for
this
year
and
it's
so
it's
allowing
so
it
says
for
towing
a
vehicle
between
7
pm
and
8
am
on
any
saturday,
sunday,
holiday
or
holiday.
An
additional
fee
of
no
more
than
30
dollars
per
instance
can
be
charged.
A
However,
in
no
event
shall
more
than
two
such
fees
be
charged
for
towing
any
vehicle,
so
this
is
an
increase
from
so
what
the
county
is
allowed
to
do
is
to
increase
it
from
25
to
30
dollars,
and
I
wanted
to
staff
is
bringing
that
to
the
t
tab
as
an
update
for
your
attention.
Your
discussion.
E
A
B
I
have
one
last,
I
know
we're
actually
under
time
here,
but
the
one
last
thing
under
I
think
I
might
have
my
pages
out
of
order.
I
think
both
of
those.
Neither
of
those
I
mean
those
are
the
the
barnacle
thing
the
immobilization.
So
I
had
no
no
comments
on
those
anyone
else
I'll
leave
open
floor
for
for
this.
These
two
bullet
points.
B
Okay,
I
think
yeah
we
agreed
on
this
that
last
year,
so
I
think
we're
okay
and
then
the
very
last
thing
under
records
go
up
a
little
bit,
caitlyn,
actually
or
actually.
No,
I'm
sorry
down.
There's
that
the
white
gap
in
there
see.
E
B
It's
basically
saying
what
does
the?
What
are
the
records
that
need
to
be
maintained
and
again,
the
contract
is
something
that
that
has
not
been
mentioned.
It's
mentioned
in
other
bullet
points,
but
not
here.
B
I'm
sorry
up
a
little
bit
right,
see
where
it
says:
number
nine
uh-huh,
I'm
proposing
adding
a
number
10
there,
which
is
the
contract.
It's
just
the
records
that
the
tow
company
has
to
maintain.
So
it's
just
to
keep
it
consistent
with
the
other,
the
other
sections
we,
where
we
talk
about
the
photographs
and
everything
if
you
want
to
go
up
to
the
top
of
that
bulleted
list,
to
show
everyone
what
what
what
that
list
is
of.
A
So
matt
wants
to
add
in
to
number
10.
he
wants
to
add
in
I'll
copy
the
language
over.
So
you
all
can
see
it.
A
C
A
B
B
I
I'm
fine
with
that.
I
mean
it
doesn't
give
the
the
terms
or
the
contract,
but
I
that
was
I
mean.
That's.
F
C
B
Agreed
so
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that
that
bullet
point
without
adding
10.
B
B
B
The
rest
of
the
stuff
we
voted
on
last
time,
fred
I'll,
give
you
a
moment
to
read
this.
We
we
all
agreed
on
on
this
stuff,
but
I
have
no
further
comments.
B
A
Okay-
and
we
are
the
last
section-
the
accounting
attorney
has
advised
us
that
this,
the
thousand
dollar
fine,
is
just
not
enforceable,
so
we're
recommending
to
clean
up
the
code
to
remove
it
because
it
is
not
authorized.
I
never
seen
your
code.
B
F
Yeah,
I
think
it's
I'm
double
checking,
because
I
don't
want
to
give
wrong
information,
but
I
think
it's
a
250
fine,
but
let
me
just
double
check
before
I
say
that
as
if
I
know.
E
B
A
Nice!
Okay,
so
that
that's
the
end
of
staff's
recommended
changes.
B
That's
the
bulk
of
the
meeting
here
we
have
a
bullet
point,
I'm
going
back
to
the
agenda
now
the
new
business
or
we
wanted
to
review
the
complaints.
Did
we
want
to
put
that
up?
I
guess
sure.
E
Before
we
lose,
this,
maybe
just
put
put
the
put
the
comments,
as
edited
up
for
a
vote.
If
that's,
if
that's
your
intent,.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
guess
I
would
I
make
a
motion
that
we
we
submit
the
the
changes
as
commented
to
the
county
board.
Do
I
hear
a
second.
B
Thank
you
fred.
So
then
we.
B
People
who
are
in
attendance
right
so
all
in
favor
of
submitting
this
language
to
the
county
for
review,
say
aye
aye.
B
I
think
that's
unanimous
that
I
hear
came
in
there.
Yes,
there
we
go
so
I
passed
by
unanimous
consent
of
the
people
in
attendance.
I
guess
caitlyn
you'll
you'll
document
who's,
not
in
attendance
right.
Yes,
I
have.
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
for
that
ben.
A
These
are
this:
is
the
list
of
complaints
and
there's
also
another
there's
another
document
with
the
total
toes
and
then
we
can
also
talk
about
the
we
have
just
the
general
just
the
numbers
for
the
total
toes
as
well.
B
So
the
observations
I
had
on
this
in
particular
is
my
first
question
is
findings.
B
Findings
it
could
be
like
was
the
the
resident
in
violation
or
was
the
towing
company
in
violation.
So
you
know
just
let's
take
that
second
bullet
point
like
advanced
towing
fire
lane
violation,
it
says
in
violation
of
county
code,
does
that
mean
the
resident
was
actually
in
the
fire
lane
or
that
advanced
towing
should
not
have
towed
them?.
B
Okay,
so
to
find
the
findings
of
the
resident,
so
when
it
says
the
resident
was
in
compliance
of
the
the
county
code,
does
that
mean
that
the
resident
would
got
a
refund
for
the
tow.
B
Interesting,
I
did
not
know
that.
Yes,
okay,
the
only
other
question
I
had
that
kind
of
struck
me
as
as
funny
was
there
are
still
toes
from
gold's
gym,
which
I
guess
just
throwing
this
on
the
record,
like
that's
literally
the
lot
that
is
kind
of
the
crux
of
this.
This
lawsuit
here
that
I'm
surprised
that
they're
still
chose
from
from
that
location.
I
know
that's
the
problem
location
in
all
of
arlington,
so
it
was
just
interesting
to
me,
but
we
don't.
B
We
don't
need
to
have
a
discussion
for
it
in
the
interest
in
the
interest
of
time
I
I
will
just
state
for
the
record
even
for
the
people
who
are
publicly
on
this
call
and
for
the
recording.
B
So
this
complaint
list
again,
I
know
the
tow
industry
points
it
out
every
time,
but
I'll
I'll
do
the
same
that
you
know
the
percentage
of
people
who
are
who
are
towed
or
who
actively
go
and
file
complaints
is,
is
very
low.
I've
contended
in
the
past
that
you
know
it's
just
mostly
because
people
do
are
not
aware
of
the
complaint
process,
but
I
think
we're
addressing
that
with
the
towing
code.
So
I
I
feel
pretty
good
that
we're
making
progress
and
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
keep
the
number
of
complaints
low.
C
B
E
B
Toes,
I
believe
it.
You
know
it's
it's
on
trend,
but
you
know
it
could
slow
down
in
the
in
the
the
fourth
quarter
but
yeah.
I,
I
think
that's
a
fair
assessment
that
you
know,
especially
during
covid
and
and
these
these
strange
times
like
the
numbers,
are
way
down
in
the
across
arlington.
So.
B
Any
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
the
complaints
or
the
number
of
toes.
B
Let's
see
reviewing
this
after
yeah,
I'm
looking
at
the
the
the
agenda
and
literally
the
next
step,
is
any
new
business.
Anyone
have
any
anything
else
to
add
now
now's
the
time
we'll
get
into
a
public
comment.
If
anyone
on
the
call
wants
to
speak
in
just
a
moment.
B
I'll
mention
briefly
well
give
you
a
moment
for
next
steps.
I'll
give
you
five
seconds
to
anyone
who
needs
to
speak
up,
okay,
so
no
new
business.
The
my
only
comment
on
next
steps
is
like
I
said
my
chairmanship
is
coming
to
an
end.
In
the
december
time
frame,
we
spoke
before
a
couple.
People
had
joined
the
call
and
we
are
going
to
stand
by
for
fred
to
get
us
some
some
numbers
and
potentially
a
vote
on
the
rate
change
which
has
been
authorized
by
the
state,
but
not
yet
by
the
county.
B
I
propose
maybe
a
december
timeline
but
I'll
defer
to
ben
and
kaitlyn
for
the
scheduling
of
that
next,
the
next
vote,
and
that's
all
I
had
I'll-
do
a
public
comment.
If
there's
no
other
objections
to
to
wrapping
this
up.
A
Yes,
we
have
a
zack
and
a
joe,
so
either
one
of
you,
if
you
just
want
to
raise
your
hand
or
unmute
yourself.
Whoever
goes
first
feel
free.
F
B
B
Thank
you
for
attending
joe
any
any
points.
I
I
guess
I
recognized
joe's
name.
He
was
in
attendance
last
at
the
last
meeting
and
he
had
something
to
say
he
might
be
muted,
but
all
right,
joe
feel
free
to
to
reach
out
to
anyone
on
the
board.
If
you
have
additional
comments
and
thank
you
for
attending
as
well,
I
think
with
that
we
can
can
close
up
this
meeting,
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
attendance
and
and
service
on
the
board.
I
guess
next
time.
B
Hopefully
we
will
be
able
to
welcome
al
formally
as
the
the
new
towing
advisory
board
member.