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A
A
C
C
Welcome
to
the
2020
January
2023
design
review
committee
meeting
I'm
gonna
call
the
roll
to
confirm
that
our
DRC
members
are
present
to
Mari
Davis
here
Robert
here.
B
C
Meyer
Here
Andrew
here
all
right,
DRC
meetings
are
held
in
person
and
stream
single
things
into
allow
Commissioners
applicants
and
the
public
to
attend
online,
but
the
meeting
is
available
to
stream
from
the
County
website.
They
make
me
say
that,
but
obviously
you
know
that
if
you're
listening
I
don't
know
why
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make
me
say
that
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is
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and
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your
item
is
under
review.
C
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this
is
a
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forum.
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meeting
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County
website.
C
All
information
associated
with
today's
meeting,
whether
written
all
spoken,
is
subject
to
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act
requirements.
Okay:
apologies
now
that
we've
done
that
start
with
that
number
one,
which
is
a
new
sign
at
the
Urgent
Care
Animal
Care
of
Arlington.
This
is
the
former
Bank
building.
This
is
in
the
North
east
corner
of
the
four
block
of
the
commercial
center
of
Buckingham
I.
Think
I
mentioned
it
was
formerly
a
bank.
C
There
is
an
application
for
two
sides
which
are
going
to
be
put
in
the
locations
where
signs
originally
were
there's
currently
nothing
here,
and
they
are
compliant
with
the
Buckingham
design
guidelines.
This
is
the
passage
the
North
West
Assad,
yes,
and
here
they've
submitted
images
of
what
they
look
like
beforehand.
C
Is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
add?
Miss
Canon.
D
Not
particularly
the
signs
are
placed
you,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
existing
photos
kind
of
over,
where
the
original
signs
were
so
that
we
don't
have
discoloration
showing
of
the
building
they
do
comply
with
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
Buckingham
shopping
center
signage
guidelines
and
they
are
to
match
all
of
the
existing
signage
on
the
rest
of
the
building.
D
A
D
So
right
now
there
is
nothing
in
the
scope.
Currently
the
project,
the
the
client
essentially
needed
to
get
an
opening
date
and
was
not
ready
to
go
through
historical
review
to
make
amendments
to
the
that
facade
and
the
storefront
So.
Currently,
it
is
to
remain,
as
is.
D
Yes-
and
we
have
already
received
our
new
build,
permit.
I
don't
have
that
number
with
me,
but
we
have
been
approved
through
Arlington
County
for
our
new
build
permit
already.
So
construction
is
underway
on
the
building.
D
B
Yeah
and
or
let
me
ask
a
question,
are,
are,
are
other
signs
in
Buckingham
kind
of
have
lighting
behind
them?
They.
D
Do
which
I
thought
was
I
I
was
surprised
at
that
as
well,
because
initially
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
about
the
neon,
but
it
they
are
all
neon
and
it
is
set
forth
and
the
guidelines
that
they
are
today
on.
B
Okay,
and
then
so
are
the
these.
The
the
green
stripes
are
neon,
yes,
correct.
The
lettering
is
going
to
be
backlit,
or
is
it
just?
Are
that
just
or
is
that
just
you
know,
paint
no.
D
So
then
the
lettering
is
neon
as
well.
This
is
a
pretty
crude
rendering
of
what
it
would
actually
look
like.
D
But
I
think
I
provided
quite
a
few
of
the
existing
photos
and
if
you
look
at
the
other
signage
on
the
building,
you'll
see
that
the
that
the
the
the
letters
are
lit
there.
It's
like
a
lit
black
box
with
the
neon
stripes
and
the
lips
right
right,
yeah.
E
D
B
F
B
B
Well,
I
mean,
let's
see
I,
guess
yeah
I,
guess
it's
it's
pretty
consistent
with
with
all
the
other
side
on
the
building
that
you
know
with
the
double
Green
Stripe
at
each
end,
and
then
the
white
in
between
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
standard
for
for
fonts.
So
you
know.
G
D
So
they
were
not
I.
What
I
will
say
is
that
this
this?
What
basically,
what
we
have
submitted
is
not
a
specification
that
I
have
created.
It
is
what
the
owner
has
worked
with
the
signage
manufacturer
to
come
up
with,
and
basically
given
to
me
to
submit.
B
Yeah,
because
that
does
that
does
look
a
little
weird.
You
know
all
the
others
are
confined
to
the
area
above
the
awning,
and
in
this
one
place
it
it
comes
out.
You
know
beyond
the
awning
I
understand
and
they
took
the
logo
out
to
make
it
leave
in
a
little
bit
less
wide
just
to
make
it
fit
between
the
lights.
B
A
D
C
Yeah
honey:
we
do
not
have
a
new
level
signs
in
Buckingham,
like
so
in
terms
of
given
the
length
of
their
name,
I,
can't
think
of
another
solution,
because
we
don't
have
anything
that
has
two
rows
of
lettering.
We
if
they
were
to
make
the
lettering
narrower,
they
would
also
have
to
make
it
smaller.
Then
it
would
be
smaller
font
on
the
same
size
sign
because
the
sizes
of
the
signs
are
consistent,
so
I
can't
think
unless
we
allowed
them
to
just
do.
Urgent
Animal
Care.
B
I
think
most
people,
if
they
are,
you
know,
having
had
experiences
with
pets,
and
you
know
needing
you
know.
Most
people
know
where
they're
taking
their
pet.
You
know
they'd,
look
at
it
up
online
they're,
not
you
know
what
they're
looking
for
is
as
they're.
You
know
frantically
trying
to
take
their
pets
somewhere
to
be.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
that
you
need
the
full
name
on
the
side,
because
that
really
does
kind
of
violate
the
standard
of
you
know.
All
the
other
signs
are
confined
to
the
area
between
you
know
above
the
awning
and
I
think
if
you
did
either
animal
care
of
art,
Arlington
or
urgent
Animal
Care,
you
could
you
could
fit
it
in,
and
it
would
probably
be
enough
for
somebody
that
you
know
basically
already
knows
where
they're
going
to
to
know.
B
Oh
there
it
is,
and
then
they
pull
into
the
parking
lot
and
then
they
confirm
when
they
see
the
front
so
I,
don't
know
how
the
I
I
don't
know
how
the
applicant
I
mean
how
the
you
know
the
the
business
feels
about
that.
But
for
me
that
would
be
a
better
solution
than
the
sign
as
it's
proposed.
H
H
C
On
my
concern
with
animal
care
of
Arlington,
if
you
look
at
it,
it
already
appears
to
be
the
same
with
as
the
as
the
owning.
So
if
you
know
it
sounds
to
me
like,
you
would
like
it
to
remain
the
length
of
the
awning
and
I'm
trying
to
see.
So,
let's
see
where
the
where
the
shadow
was
so
the
shadow
was
a
little
bit
past.
The
awning.
Are
you
willing?
Do
you
want
to
take
it
to
the
shadow
line
or
to
the.
B
No
I
think
you
know
Serena
I
think
that's
just
how
when
they
took
the
sign
off
and
somebody
you
know,
power
washed
it
or
something
they
went
a
little
bit
past.
I
bet
you.
If
we
looked
at-
and
you
know-
and
we
could
confirm
this
by
looking
at
historic
photos-
I
bet
you
you
would
find
that
the
signs
stayed
above
the
awning.
C
Okay,
so,
as
Miss
Cannon
said
she
is
just
submitting
this,
so
she
actually
doesn't
know.
However,
we
allow
people
to
update
drawings
and
submit
them
back
to
us.
C
You
have
up
to
a
week
to
get
us
changed,
drawings
or
or
if-
and
so
you
could
go
back
to
your
client
and
ask
how
do
you
feel
about
this
and
if
they
could
get
us
some
mock-ups
in
the
next
week
or
if
they
say
no,
we
want
to
continue
with
the
drawings
that
we
have,
but
then
they
can
go
forward
to
the
hlrb
and
the
DRC
would
just
submit
these
comments
as
part
of
the
discussion
at
the
full
meeting.
D
Can
you
really
fast
just
let
me
know
when
that
next
meeting
is
for
the
halrb.
B
It
the
one
week
right
and-
and
let
me
let
me
let
me
just
interject-
that
I
agree
with
what
Serena
said
this
is
it
was.
This
is
kind
of
the
practice
that
we've
adopted,
but
the
hrb
we
are
a.
We
are
an
advisory
committee
to
the
to
the
full
board.
They
tend
to
take
our
recommendations
seriously.
So
I,
you
know,
I
would
suggest
that
you
suggest
you
know,
as
opposed
to
just
saying.
Oh
no,
we
want
the
whole
thing.
B
I
think
the
full
board
is
likely
to
support
the
comments
of
the
of
the
of
the
DRC.
So
you
know
if,
if
they,
if
they
can
live
with
the
thing
above
the
awning,
they
should
seriously
consider.
That
is
what
I'm
saying.
D
Well
call
tomorrow,
so
I'll
communicate
all
of
this
to
them.
I
do
have
one
follow-up
question
specifically
regarding
the
comments
of
the
the
logo
being
lit
versus
not
lit.
I.
Think
that
the
preference
both
from
myself
and
from
the
board
would
be
that
the
logo,
with
the
like
little
dog
and
the
cat
on
it
is
also
bathlit.
B
Okay,
yeah
and
and
I
think
I.
Think
in
this
you
know
in
this
particular
case,
I
think
it's
actually
assuming
they
have
extended
hours.
I.
Think
it's
it's
important.
You
know,
particularly
you
know
like
around
now
in
the
winter
that
you'll
be
able
to
see
yeah
yeah,
so
I,
don't
think
anybody
has
a
problem
with
that.
A
A
A
C
B
Yeah
I
I
recall
seeing
seeing
historic
photos
with
the
with
the
red
granite
there.
A
This
interview,
an
ATM
machine
for
some
reason
that
whole
ramp
and
that
whole
piece
is
misleading
to
the
public
and
probably
ought
to
be
brought
back
to
some
semblances.
You
know,
you've
got
a
rant
that
goes
up
to
essentially
for
no
particular
purpose
and
it's
certainly
not
a
building,
because
great,
it's
established
by
the
front
entry
and
that's
basically
the
foil
inside
so
I
find
that
I'm
just
questioning
whether
this
isn't
an
opportunity
or
whether
it
shouldn't
be
restored
to
it's
former
appearance.
At
least
the
ATM
machine.
I.
D
Yeah
they
I.
They
will
not
be
open
to
that.
Unless
and
given
that
it's
technically,
their
lease
is
for
the
interior
of
the
space,
not
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
the
signage
is,
is
what
is
you
know
required
by
the
landlord
and
by
the
shopping
center?
I
would
say
that
unless
you
guys
can
convince
the
landlord
to
make
those
updates,
the
client
will
not
be
up
I.
B
Was
just
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
this
sounds
like
a
landlord
issue
that
we
should
you
know.
Perhaps
you
can
take
those
comments
back
and
just
just
say
you
know
we
would
like
somebody
to
think
about.
You
know,
given
that
this
is
now
being
leased
for
something
other
than
a
bank,
with
a
with
a
with
a
automatic
teller
that
you
know
they
should
think
about
getting
rid
of
the
the
ramp
it
would
make.
You
know
it
would
make
the
yeah,
because
it's
weird
I
mean
I
agree
with
with.
I
B
D
D
C
Okay,
so
you
have
all
my
contact
information
so
follow
up
with
me
to.
Let
me
know
how
you're
going
to
be
proceeding
as
I
said
that
you
have
until
Wednesday
next
week,
end
of
day
to
get
me
those
updated
drawings
and
so
I.
It
sounds
from
the
discussion
that
this
we'll
end
up
on
the
discussion
agenda.
B
Well,
no,
no,
it
could
be,
it
could
be
on
consent
if
they,
if
they
agree
to
the
you
know
to
the
to
the
signage
comments
that
we've
made
and
and
got
you
the
information.
You
know
you
know
the
revised
drawings
showing
you
know
so
I'm
showing
a
reduced
size
sign
I,
don't
see
why
this
couldn't
be
on
consent.
D
Great
that
sounds
amazing.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
valuable
discussion
around
this
I
greatly
appreciate
it
and
I
will
touch
base
with
you.
Serena.
C
C
The
plans
had
been
to
put
in
a
wooden
side
door,
and
now
they
are
applying
due
to
shortages,
to
put
in
a
a
fiberglass
side
door
with
it's
a
quarter
glass,
six
light
door,
so
that
means
zoom
into
that
server.
Let's
see
it.
C
Mr
sarley
or
Mr
Scholl.
Do
you
have
any
additional
comments.
J
No
I
think
you
covered
it.
That's
it
so
I
think
yeah,
there's
a
there's
sort
of
a
sequence
of
asks
or
comment,
or
you
know,
sort
of
changes
that
we're
bringing
up
so
the
first
one.
Is
this
one
with
the
door
being
quarter,
light
quarter,
glass,
six
light
and
then
I
had
and
then,
of
course,
fiberglass
versus
wood
because
of
its
sort
of
wet
location.
J
The
other
thing
is
the
front
door,
I
sort
of
had
the
wrong
door.
So
that's
a
bit
of
an
apology
and
a
bit
of
a
correction.
J
It's
a
quarter
glass,
eight
light
on
the
front
that's
existing
and
that
is
to
remain-
and
there
is
a
slight
little
ask
on
that.
If
we
could
possibly
also
have
that,
be
the
exact
same
door,
but
in
fiberglass,
if
we
could
replace
that.
So
those
are
the
sort
of
three
requests
or
changes.
B
This
on
the
the
the
existing
structure
on
the
front-
yes,
correct,.
G
B
C
So
fiberglass
is
mentioned
in
reference
to
sheds
and
garages,
because
it's
an
appendix
G,
which
is
the
most
recent
update.
It
is
not
mentioned
as
a
suitable
material
in
the
main
guideline
for
historic
structures,
just
because
it
didn't
even
come
up
and
it
is
not
listed
as
one
of
the
appropriate
materials.
So
it
doesn't
outright
say
you
can
use
fiberglass,
but
it
is
not
listed
as
appropriate.
We
I
don't
know
that
we've
approved
a
fiberglass
door
for
the
front
of
a
home
ever
not
a
contributing
one.
B
Right
I
mean
I,
think
it's
it's.
It's
pretty
much
follows
the
whatever
windows
it's
like.
If
you,
you
know,
you
know,
I,
don't
and
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
argument
that
the
the
side,
the
side
door
is
a
you
know,
is
in
a
damp
location
because
you
know
it
it
shouldn't
be
I
mean
you
know
your
door
should
not
be
subject
to
moisture.
That's
that's
not
a
you
know.
That's
it's
not
good
practice.
So
I
I
see
no
reason.
B
B
Those
are
wood
windows
right,
yes,
yeah,
so
I'm,
not
sure
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
approved
fiberglass
doors,
either
on
the
front
or
on
on
on
on
an
Edition
and
I.
Think
the
rule
pretty
much
follows
with
Windows.
I
I
That's
tucked
behind
the
corner
of
the
house
in
a
niche
area,
so
I,
you
know
we
and
it's
new
and
it.
I
Given
the
the
filter,
we've
had
throughout
the
process
to
making
design
changes
and
and
working
with
the
committee.
B
Well,
I
mean
I,
think
we're
somewhat
Bound
by
the
guidelines.
I
mean
it's,
it's
the
the
the
guidelines
have
Serena
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
the
the
guidelines
specifically
talk
about
areas
where
we
consider
where
we
can
consider
something
other
than
wood,
which
is
you
know,
usually,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
it's
trim
particularly
like
you
know,
like
fascias,
the
the
drips
you
know
around
the
bottom
bottom
of
the
the
building
and
so
forth,
things
that
and
have
but
I,
don't
think,
we've
I,
don't
think.
C
I
would
have
to
look
it
up
I.
The
only
example
where
I
think
is
possible
is
there
was
a
major
renovation
of
an
entirely
not
contributing
House
on
Edgewood
in
the
last
18
months.
I
could
look
that
up,
but
otherwise
I
mean
we
have
only
recently
started
approving
the
replacement
even
of
wooden
doors.
C
I
B
It's
interesting
because
I
think
even
where
PVC
is
allowed
for
window
casings,
it's
it's
not
allowed
for
Windows
per
se
I'm,
just
thinking
I'm
not
trying
to
apply
any
I'm,
not
trying
to
apply
any
sort
of.
B
You
know
personal
opinion
about
this
I'm
just
going
strictly
by
the
guidelines
here
and
what
we
are,
what
we
have,
what
we
are
allowed
to
do
under
the
guidelines
and
what
we
have
approved
previously
under
the
guidelines,
because
the
you
know,
because
then
this
becomes
a
precedent
and
then
you
know
so
that
it
and
if
it's
a
precedent
setting
issue,
then
it
would
have
to
go
before
the
full
board,
I
think
and
and
it
you
know
and
I
I
think
in
I
know
in
general,
the
discussion
on
the
front
of
the
house
has
always
been
wood,
and
that's
even
even
recent
recent
we've
had
a
few
recent
cases
where
people
have
come
forward
asking
for,
for
you
know,
fiberglass
doors
and
we've
said
no,
so
I
would
think
that
for
the
front,
the
the
answer
is
definitely
no.
B
On
the
side.
I
I
there
might
be
a
little
bit
more
leeway,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
know
what
a
what
a
close
reading
of
the
of
the
co
of
the
the
guideline
says.
A
C
No,
it's
a
it's
a
an
inside
launch,
so
I.
H
E
C
So
this
is
just
the
the
current,
but
let
me
pull
up.
E
C
F
So
I'm
not
real
sure
what
the
contention
is
with
with
why
it
couldn't
be
fiberglass,
so
I
mean
the
door.
You
can't
tell
it's
fiberglass.
I
You
know
way
back
it
used
to
be
so
hard
to
find
a
bungalow
door,
and
now
you
can
actually
get
them
commonly,
which
was
exciting
to
me,
because
I
had
a
hard
time
getting
a
bungalow
door
back
in
the
80s.
When
I
did
my
house
in
Maywood.
E
Yeah
I
mean,
if
getting
the
door
is,
it
should
be
one
one
idea
might
be
fun,
maybe
to
find
or
to
find
a
used
store
at
like
a
architectural
process
of
firework
house
and
then
there's
something
about
some
more
and
the
Bears
and
I
said.
That's
not
as
easy
as
obviously
buying
it
on
the
Shelf.
But
that
might
be
one
way
to
you
know,
get
the
Warner
and
sort
of
satisfy
the
the
president.
B
So
so
what
is
what
is
the?
What
is
the
consensus,
then,
of
the
of
the
the
committee,
the
I'm,
not
sensing,
a
lot
of
opposition
to
fiberglass,
but
I.
Just
don't
think
we
can
do
it
without
I
mean
we
can
make
a
recommendation
to
the
to
the
full
board,
but
you
know
it
I
think
this
is
a
precedent
setting
issue
that
the
the
full
board
would
have
to
weigh
in
on
it's.
You
know
it's
because
it's
it's
one
of
these
things,
it's
a
slippery
slope,
it's
like.
B
B
Vis-A-Vis
the
code
I
mean
the
the
guidelines.
I
think
we
still
have
to
we.
We
have
to
adhere
to
the
guidelines,
because
that's
that
is,
we
are
a
zoning.
We
are
a
zoning
board.
We
we
we're
not
allowed
to
really
make
you
know
decisions
on
our
own.
We
need
to
decide
whether
the
the
guidelines
allow
us
to
do
this
and
and
know
that
if
we
do
this,
that
somebody
else
is
going
to
ask
for
the
same
thing
and
then
you
start
to
get
into
a
subjective.
B
B
You
know
it's
like
how
far
back
on
the
house
I
understand
this
isn't
a
niche
Niche,
but
how
far
back
before
nobody
can
see
it
so
that
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
as
straightforward
as
as
you
know,
as
that,
so
I
I,
think
if,
if
the,
if
the,
if
the
DRS
I'm
happy
to
have
it,
go
to
the
full
board
and
have
the
full
board
have
a
discussion
about
it
because
I
know
we
we've
been
incrementally
having
this
discussion
about,
you
know
what
what
you
know
it's!
B
It's
obvious
that
it's
becoming
more
and
more
difficult
to
you
know
to
to
provide
building
elements
that
don't
involve.
You
know
some
sort
of
synthetic
materials.
B
So
it's
you
know:
I
I
know
that
that's
just
a
reality
of
life
to
a
certain
degree,
but
nevertheless
it
it
is
something
that
the
Board
needs
to
weigh
in
on
I.
Think.
G
Yeah
I
agree
with
that
I
think
especially
the
front
door,
given
that
it's
in
the
original
structure,
I
would
lean
towards
that
or
maybe
would
the
side
door
I
could
go
either
way
on.
But
if
you
have
to
get
one
wood
door
what's
the
difference
of
getting
to
but
I,
don't
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
else
has
any
thoughts.
Yeah.
B
I
mean
I
was
I,
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
Rebecca
because
I
think
yeah.
If
you
can,
if
you
can
get
one
you
you
just,
you
can
also
get
two
and
and
I
know
there
are
sorry
companies
available.
I
mean
it
may
not
be
within
your
time
frame.
B
Unfortunately,
I
understand
that
some
of
these
some
of
these
things
have
long
lead
times,
but
you
know
at
the
same
time
the
board
it
isn't
it
isn't.
You
know
we
are
just
because
you
know
this
has
come
in
as
a
late
as
a
late
change
doesn't
mean
that
we
are
under
any
obligation
to
to.
B
You
know,
help
help
the
applicant
make
their
schedule.
I
mean
it's
just
you
know
it's
just
the
way
it
is.
B
You
know
we
have
our
review
process
and-
and
you
know
if
it's
if
this
is
a
problem
that
came
up
at
some
point
in
construction
either
it
should
have
come
to
us
sooner
or
you
know
we,
we
can't
change
out.
We
that's
not
a
criteria
for
us
that
you
know
that
if
we
can't
get
the
door
within
the
time
frame
that
we
want.
B
That's
you
know,
because,
because
the
the
way
you
know
in
terms
of
of
of
once
something
is
built,
nobody
knows,
you
know
whether
you
put
it
there,
because
you
had
to
do
it
on
short
on
a
short
time
frame
or
not
it.
It
is
what
it
is
and
then
at
some
point
somebody
said
well,
you
know
my
neighbor
has
a
fiberglass
door.
Why
can't
I
have
one
so
so
I
don't
think
we
can.
B
You
know
that
you
know
that
that
isn't
an
argument
that
that
we
can
even
consider
so
I
think
if,
if
we
want
to
consider
the
issue
of
whether
in
a
a
relatively
non-visible
location,
you
know
potentially
with
the
argument
about
it
being
more
damp
in
that
area.
I
think
that's
something.
That's
something
for
the
full
board.
I'm
I'm,
not
otherwise.
My
inclination
would
be
to
say
it
needs
to
be
wood,
and
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
challenge
it,
then
you
need
to
come
see
the
full
board.
J
Can
I
just
clarify
a
few
issues
yeah,
so
the
front
door
is
slightly
different
than
the
side
door,
so
the
front
door.
We
are
committed
to
essentially
reusing
the
existing
door
and
we're
going
to
remill
it
so
that
it
goes
from
a
left
hand
to
a
right
hand.
We
just
wanted
to
ask
if
it
was
feasible
to
change
to
a
to
a
fiberglass,
but
there's
no
schedule
issue
on
that
right.
You
know
we're
fine
on
the
side
door,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
of
a
lead
time.
J
We
have
a
door
there
in
place
now
so
and
it's
a
fiberglass
so
we're
essentially
asking
to
keep
that
door
permanently.
That's
the
request.
You
know
just
to
put
it
in
contact,
so
we're
not
trying
to
like
work
you
guys
into
our
construction
schedule
at
all,
just
to
be
totally
clear
and
just
because
it's
slightly
lower
it's
slightly
more
wet.
That's
the
only
thing
that.
B
B
You
know
okay,
so
there
is
no
issue
yeah.
You
know,
there's
no
issue
about
moving
into
the
house,
there's
a
door
there.
So
the
issue
is
whether
you
could
keep
this
door
and
again
I.
Think,
given
the
guidelines,
we've
never
approved,
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
approved
it
so
as
a
wood
door.
So
if
you,
if
you
want
to
pursue
this
I,
think
you're
going
to
have
to
come
to
the
full
board.
A
Probably
could
actually
just
interject
I
think
there's
there's
a
view
from
the
street,
which
is
one
thing,
but
there's
also
the
neighboring
students
on
either
side
of
this,
so
I
mean
I.
I.
Think
that
that
is
part
of
the
consideration,
but
it
was
like
from
the
side
is
probably
a
secondary
to
what
it
looks
like
Street
here,
but
I
still
think
that
that's
an
issue
I
think.
If
you're
going
to
change,
it's
essentially
a
change
to
the
guidelines
that
you're
going
to
have
to
ask
for
by
people
born.
B
J
Yeah
I
think
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
go
back
and
you
know
gather
the
team
and
and
coordinate
and
figure
out
what
to
do.
But
I
think
it
is
an
interesting
conversation
right.
If
this
new
material
is
something
that
you
know,
the
guidelines
can
adapt.
So
I
totally
I,
totally
understand
where
you
guys
are
coming
from
and
I
think
it
is
a
a
worthy
conversation.
J
Let
us
go
back
to
our
team
get
together
and
let
you
know
if
we're
going
to
apply
I'll
coordinate
with
Serena
on
any
application,
get
cut
sheets
and
whatnot
and
see
if
it's
something
we
want
to
pursue
or
if
we'll
punt
on
it-
and
you
know,
have
this
fiberglass
conversation
at
a
different
project
right.
B
And
then,
if
and
if
you
and
if
you
do
decide
pursue
it,
I
think
what
Rebecca
was
getting
it
was
starting
to
get
at
earlier.
Is
you
know,
I
think
some
of
these,
as
you
know,
like
the
same
thing
with
Hardy
plank,
you
know
the
the
we
we
do
not
approve
it.
We
tend
not
to
approve
anything
that
has
like
embossed
wood
grain
on
it
yeah
you
know.
B
So,
if
keep
that
in
mind,
if
you,
if
you
do
want
to
come
forward
with
something
that
it,
you
know
that
it
shouldn't
have
artificial
wood
grain,
because
you
know
the
reality
is.
If
you
took
a
fiberglass
door
and
painted
it
it
is.
You
know
it
is
somewhat
difficult
to
see
unless,
unless
you
can
see
an
embossed
wood
grain,
and
then
you
know
it's
fiberglass,
so
so
keep
that
in
mind.
Okay
for
sure,
right.
C
J
B
This
state
Walter,
Reed
and
and
Columbia
Pike
yeah.
A
It's
certainly
a
frame
Gallery
right,
lower
level,
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
a
discussion
and
I
think
the
problem
boils
down
to
whether
you
move
building
front
on
Columbia,
Pike
and
then
also
by
Wilson,
to
accommodate
the
first
stop
freestanding
or
whatever
and
I
think
our
opinion.
We
talked
about
this
previously
of
nearly
a
year
ago
at
this
plus
that.
A
Well,
no,
they
they're
put
they're
changing
things.
They
want
to
be
able
to
accommodate
this
bus,
stop
or
push
storefront
or
the
first
and
second
story
of
this
pack,
I
think
what
more
sidewalk
space
on
Columbia
Pike!
That's
something
that
this
building
is
the
old
rebuilding
and
they
have
changed
the
standards.
If
you
go
on
Columbia
bike,
they
want
a
wider
cycle
and
they
want
it
also,
and
the
suggestion
we
made
was
that
the
bus
stops
be
incorporated
in
the
facade,
build
the
facade
to
its
current
location
and
there's
precedent
for
this.
A
B
B
C
Because
we
didn't
advertise
it
and
the
applicant
isn't
here,
however,
they
aren't
coming
back
to
us
they're.
Coming
back
for
another
review,
we
checked
with
Laura
and
they're
not
coming
back
this
month,
but
they
will
come
back.
She
thinks
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
given
the
amount
of
of
feedback
from
the
hlrb.
It
is
reported
if
you
want
to
listen
to
our
meetings.
I
post
them
online,
but
it's
a
good
time.
I.
A
B
Think
yeah
no
I
agree.
I
I
agree
with
you
completely
Andy
the
the
there
there
was
a
precedent.
One
of
the
presidents
is
the
forget,
the
name
of
the
project,
but
it's
the
bill
building,
that's
at
Highland,
Washington
and
11th,
and
and
particularly
there's
a
historic
buildings
at
the
corner
of
11th
and
Highland.
There's
now
a
barbecue
place
in
it
and
and
they
wanted
to
move
the
building
so
that
they
could
widen
the
sidewalks.
B
It
was
exactly
the
same
sort
of
thing
and
we
basically
said
no
you're
not
going
to
move
the
historic
building.
The
historic
building
this
relationship
to
the
sidewalk
is
what
it
is,
and
you
know
deal
with
it
and
and
we
we
did
Prevail
in
that
case
they
they
did
not
move
the
building
facade,
even
though
they
deconstructed
it
and
put
it
back,
I,
think
and
and
I
I
really
think
that
this
is
a
a
really
terrible
precedent.
B
You
know
that
where
you,
where
you
move
buildings
around,
because
somebody
wants
to
put
a
bus
stop
in,
there
are
many
ways
to
put
a
bus
stop
in
that
that
don't
involve
moving
buildings,
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
anybody
in
anywhere
in
in
Europe
would
ever
they
would
laugh
at
you.
If
you
say
well,
we
want
to
move
the
building,
so
we
can
put
a
bus
stop
in
it's
like
figure
out
a
different
way
to
put
the
bus
stop
in.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
right.
There.
C
I
know
you
can
have
this
conversation
offline,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
have
this
conversation
here.
Sorry.
B
No,
no
and
but
I
I,
I'll
I
would
be
I
will
say
this
it
that
the
full
hrb
and
I
believe
I've
said
it.
The
last
time
it
came
up.
I
think
this
is
this
is
a.
This
is
an
issue
that
the
from
a
historic
president,
you
know
there's
in
in
planning
there
are,
you
know
there
are
priorities
and
you
you
you.
You
work
according
to
a
hierarchy
of
priorities,
and
you
know
that
and
they
have
to
do
with
how
flexible
various
Things
Are
they're
they're.
You
know,
buildings
have
a
relate.
B
C
A
C
C
E
B
Wait,
who
is
who
is
who
is
who
is
chair
now.