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C
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
tonight,
I'm
I'm,
joined
by
my
colleague,
akiria
Brown,
who
is
also
in
the
housing
division.
So
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
introduce
us
and
then
we're
gonna
go
through
a
quick
overview
of
the
County's
home
ownership
study
and
where
we
are
currently
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
for
questions
at
the
end.
C
So
my
name
is
Caitlin
again:
I'm
a
planner
in
the
housing
division
in
the
Department
of
Community
planning,
Housing
and
Development
and
I
am
currently
the
coordinator
for
the
County's.
First
ever
home.
Ownership,
study
and
I
am
joined
here
tonight
by
my
colleague,
akiria
Brown,
who's,
our
home
ownership
program,
specialist
in
the
housing
division,
and
so
we're
gonna
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
how
we
got
here
and
where
we
are
headed.
C
So
akaria
is
going
to
kick
us
off
first
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
scope
of
the
study
after
she's
finished.
D
Good
evening
everyone
can
you
see
my
the
slide
presentation
that
I
have
here?
Yes,.
C
D
See
it
perfect,
perfect,
yeah
so
good
evening,
again
again,
my
name
is
akiria
brown
and
I
coordinate
the
County's
home
ownership
programs,
so
just
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
background.
So
we
know
that
homeownership
is
an
effective
means
of
wealth
building
and
for
many
households,
ownership
represents
their
highest
value
investment
right,
so
the
county
has
sought
to
support
households
that
want
to
purchase
through
homebuyer
education,
promoting
State
programs
providing
down
payment
assistance
for
for
first-time
home
buyers
and
requiring
income,
restricted,
affordable
dwelling
units
or
adus
through
special
exception
process.
D
However,
despite
these
efforts,
the
lack
of
affordable
home
ownership
options
is
an
ongoing
challenge
in
throughout
the
region
really
throughout
the
country.
In
addition,
low
and
moderate
income
homeowners
can
struggle
with
ongoing
costs
associated
with
repairs,
maintenance
and
condo
fees.
D
So
we
take
our
guidance
from
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
that
was
approved
by
the
board
in
2015..
Our
primary
objectives
are
to
prioritize
the
production
and
preservation
of
affordable
home
ownership,
as
well
as
providing
initial
assistance
to
first-time
home
buyers
and
support
Elder
older
adults,
so
that
they
can
age
in
place.
D
So
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
challenges
us
to
produce
and
preserve
a
sufficient,
applied,
Supply
supply
of
affordable
ownership.
So
the
study
really
provides
us
with
a
basis
for
development
of
overarching
and
integrative
approaches
to
home
ownership
throughout
the
county
So.
Currently,
the
county
provides
assistance
through
financial
assistance,
financial
literacy
again
down
payment
assistance.
D
We
also
have
a
County
employee
programs
of
to
purchase
within
the
county,
there's
the
real
estate
tax
relief
programs
and
then
also
we
offer
condo
education
and
that's
through
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
Alexandria,
although
we
offer
home
home
ownership
assistance
to
a
range
of
home
buyers
and
owners.
Currently,
the
majority
of
our
programs
are
focused
on
first-time
home
buyers,
with
an
annual
income
of
80
of
the
area
median
income
which
for
household
of
four,
is
about
a
hundred
and
thirteen
thousand,
so
that
would
be
the
maximum.
D
D
So
with
that
said,
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
Caitlyn
and
you
can
go
into
the
study
concept.
Four.
E
E
I,
what
related
to
your
second
access
objective,
where
it
says,
provide
assistance
to
create
access
to
in
already
existing
homeowners
is,
is
am
I
reading
that
right
that
it's
for
already
or
this
is
all
for
first
time
home.
Okay,
let
me
rephrase
that
it's
part
of
this,
your
office
to
help
existing
homeowners
stay
in
their
homes,
because
what
I've
noticed
when
I've
called
to
find
out
about
home
modifications,
the
county
said
they
used
to
have
a
program
to
help
people
afford
that,
but
that
that
program
had
been
discontinued.
E
So
I
was
wondering
if,
if
that
is
part
of
your
mission,
if
you
could
describe
maybe
it's
happening
later,
but
how?
What
kind
of
assistance
you
mean
when,
when
you
say
help
people
stay
in
in
their
homes
or
maybe
I
just,
and
maybe
it
didn't
say
that
at
all
I'm
sorry.
D
Yeah
yeah
so
right
so
under
existing
homeowners
and
and
you're
right
and
and
that
the
county
previously
had
a
program
for
home
repair,
which
was
a
grant
funded
program
So.
Currently,
the
county
does
provide
assistance
with
foreclosure
prevention,
counseling,
there's
the
real
estate
tax
relief
program
and,
of
course,
the
the
condo
education
series
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
looking
at
throughout
this
study
are
opportunities
to
possibly
expand
these
programs
and
and,
of
course,
a
home
repair
program.
D
If
that
would
be
something
that
the
community
would
be
calling
for,
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
try
to
try
to
explore
throughout
this.
This
study
process.
C
So
so
yeah
as
akirio
was
mentioning
you
know
we
have
we're
not
seeing
the
level
of
participation
that
we
would
like
in
our
programs-
and
you
know,
there's
also
the
issue
that
you
just
brought
up,
that
you
know
where
there
might
be
some
programs
that
we
should
be
operating
that
do.
We
just
aren't
right
now
so
based
on
direction
from
the
update
to
the
master
plan
in
2020,
the
implementation
framework
directed
the
county
to
develop
a
new
integrative
approach
to
our
home
ownership
programs,
and
so
we
are
embar.
C
We've
embarked
on
the
home
ownership
study
in
the
summer
of
2022
and
the
key
concepts
of
the
study
and
what
we're
really
looking
at
is
to
assess
the
key
trends
related
to
for
the
for
sale,
housing
market
more,
including
the
mortgage
financing
market
and
also
cost
burden
of
existing
owner
households.
We
want
to.
We
are
examining
our
the
trends
of
our
existing
home
ownership
program,
so
the
programs
that
akiria
just
went
over
on
Slide
six.
C
C
C
It's
we're,
anticipating
about
a
15-month
process
expecting
to
wrap
up
by
the
fall
of
2023
towards
the
end
of
the
Fall.
Probably
and
again,
the
goal
of
the
study
is
to
better
meet
the
vision
and
goals
of
the
community,
create
Better,
Home,
Ownership
outcomes
for
people
of
color
and
other
underserved
populations
and
increase
available
resources
for
existing
homeowners.
C
As
far
as
the
timeline,
we
are
again
there's
a
it's
about
a
15-month
process
phase
one.
We
focused
on
data
collection
and
Analysis
and
actually
a
Curie.
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide
slide,
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
what
we're,
what
we
looked
at
in
Phase
One,
so
the
first
phase
again
was
focused
solely
on
data
collection
and
Analysis
and
reviewing
our
existing
programs.
C
So
we
released
a
report
in
October
2022
that
looks
at
home
ownership
barriers
that
households
are
facing
in
the
county
and
the
key
findings
from
this
report
included
that
there
is
a
sizable
renter
population
with
household
incomes
that
could
support
homeownership
about
half
of
renter
households
have
incomes
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
an
additional
8
900
renter
households
have
incomes
between
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually.
C
As
far
as
home
ownership
rates,
homeownership
rates
have
actually
declined
over
the
last
decade,
even
while
the
number
of
homeowners
has
increased,
and
this
is
mainly
the
result
of
the
market
producing
mostly
rental
housing
and
homeownership
rates
are
significantly
lower
for
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color
populations,
and
these
disparities
are
closely
related
to
lower
household
incomes.
C
Among
these
demographic
groups,
three
quarters
of
the
owner
household
in
Arlington,
with
incomes
below
sixty
thousand
dollars,
our
housing
costs
burdened,
meaning
that
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
is
spent
on
housing
costs
and
over
half
of
those
households
are
paying
more
than
50
of
their
income
towards
housing
costs.
C
As
far
as
the
housing
market,
residential
development
over
the
last
decade
has
primarily
delivered
mid
and
high-rise
Apartments
with
little
added
supply
for
homeowners
and
as
far
as
the
financing
Market,
the
private
financial
sector
is
lending
to
moderate
income.
Households
with
one-fifth
of
all
mortgages
originated
in
2021
for
for
home
purchases
or
to
households
with
incomes
under
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
this
suggests
that
the
private
Market
financing
is
available
to
households
with
income
with
incomes
around
80
percent
of
the
area,
immediate
income.
C
So
there
is
available
financing
it's,
but
it's
it's
lower
for
some
populations
than
others.
As
far
as
our
existing
programs,
we
did.
We
also
did
a
review
of
who
we're
currently
serving
and
how
often
and
who,
who
we're
currently
serving,
and
what
this
analysis
found.
Is
that
there's
not
a
strong
correlation
between
participation,
homebuyer
training
programs
and
purchasing
a
new
home,
and
that's
just
because
there
are
so
many
hurdles
to
overcome
and
actually
finding
a
home
and
being
and
qualifying
for
a
mortgage.
C
The
average
dollar
amount
of
our
purchase
assistance.
Loans
has
increased
over
time
and
this
correlates
to
higher
sales
prices
in
in
Arlington
and,
typically
our
purchase
assistance.
Borrowers
buy
smaller
one
one
to
two
bedroom,
condos
and
they're,
not
buying
larger
three-bedroom
units-
and
this
is
largely
due
to
this
limited
supply
of
three
bedroom
units
that
are
affordable
to
Borrowers.
C
My
pup
is
a
small
program,
so
we
average
about
four
closings
per
year,
although
that
has
been
increasing
over
the
last
couple
years,
but
program
income
limits,
combined
with
rigorous
mortgage
criteria
and
costs
associated
with
the
units
that
individuals
desire
contribute
to
the
difficulty
that
purchasers
face
when
they
are
looking
for
a
home
ownership
unit.
C
As
far
as
our
Adu
program,
it's
limited
by
the
number
of
affordable
units
that
are
generated
by
the
special
exception
site
plan
process,
so
we
just
don't
have
the
availability
that
we
that
we
think
could
be
useful
to
the
community.
C
So
those
are
the
main
takeaways
from
phase
one
of
the
study
and
and
where
we
are
now
we're
sort
of
boobing
into
phase
two,
where
the
majority
of
our
community
engagement
will
happen
during
this
study
and
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
take
the
data
and
the
trends
that
we
developed
in
Phase
One
and
use
that
to
engage
the
community
on
developing
a
vision
and
goals,
as
it
relates
to
home
ownership
support
considering
the
following
questions.
So
how
can
Arlington's
home
ownership
programs
fulfill
the
County's
Vision?
C
Who
should
our
home
ownership
programs
be
serving?
Are
the
County's
existing
programs
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community,
and
should
the
county
expand
its
homeownership
support
again
the
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
to
curia?
This,
like
I
mentioned
before
this
phase
is
largely
worth.
The
majority
of
the
community
engagement
is
we're
planning
for
the
community
most
of
the
community
engagement
to
happen
during
this
study,
and
this
is
just
a
summary
of
what
we're
planning
to
do.
C
C
So
if
you're
interested
in
participating
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
add
you
to
our
list
in
addition
to
engaging
the
homeownership
subcommittee
of
the
housing
commission,
we're
also
conducting
broader
community
outreach
to
support
the
goals
of
the
study,
so
we're
doing
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
conducting
Roundtable
meetings
right
now
with
which
are
small
format.
C
Meetings
with
constituents
representing
populations
that
have
been
underrepresented
in
our
home
ownership
programs
up
until
now,
and
we're
also
planning
broader
Community
meetings,
where
we
hope
to
get
participation
from
a
wide
variety
of
of
individual
across
the
county
to
help
develop
a
shared
vision
for
home
ownership.
Support
we'll
be
supplementing
this,
these
opportunities
with
online
feedback
opportunities
and
also
pop-up
events
at
various
Community
meetings
and
and
events.
C
So
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
actually
go
one
more
slide
to
curia
yeah,
so
after
phase
two,
once
we've
come
to
develop
a
shared
Community
Vision
for
home
ownership,
then
we'll
move
into
phase
three
we'll
we'll
we
will
be
developing
the
program
recommendations
and
this
will
largely
be
based
on
the
community
feedback
and
the
goals
that
we
that
were
set
during
phase
two,
and
we
hope
the
program
recommendations
will
include
the
following.
How
can
our
programs
be
targeted
to
start
in
underrepresented
groups?
C
We
want
to
look
at
the
return
on
investment
and
financial
feasibility
of
proposed
program,
modifications
and
newly
proposed
programs.
What
are
the
resources
that
are
needed
to
implement
the
proposed
program,
modifications
and
new
programs?
Are
there
funding
opportunities
that
we
should
be
seeking
to
support
the
recommendations,
helping
we
prioritize
the
recommendations
and
we're
also
supplement
these
recommendations
with
case
studies,
providing
examples
that
demonstrate
how
other
communities
have
tackled
similar
programs.
C
As
far
as
how
you
can
get
involved
again
you
there.
We
have
a
website
of
homeownership
study,
page
on
the
County's
website
and
I
I.
Have
it
linked
here
and
I?
Believe
Courtney
has
the
presentation
that
she'll
send
out
to
you
all
after
this
meeting,
and
you
can
make
access
it
there
or
you
can
email
me
and
I
can
send
it
to
you.
C
C
Like
I
said
before
you
can
join
the
housing
commission's
homeownership
subcommittee,
it's
open
to
any
members
of
the
public
and
representatives
from
other
commissions
so
feel
free
to
email
me
to
learn
more
or
if
you're
interested
in
more
information
about
our
existing
homeownership
programs.
You
can
certainly
email
me,
but
your
better
bet
would
be
to
email,
akiria
Brown,
because
she
is
our
homeownership
programs,
expert
and
so
I
think
that's
it.
I
did
want
to
leave
some
time
for
questions
just
in
case.
C
A
Ready
well
well,
thank
you
and
for
the
rest
of
the
commission,
a
call
Doris
just
came
in
Doris.
We
just
heard
a
presentation
from
staff
on
the
home
ownership
study
preview,
and
we
are
now
in
the
questions
phase.
A
And
we
don't
have
corrupt,
discuss
official
business.
G
E
You
on
this
home
ownership
subcommittee
or
have
you
been
to
any
of
these
meetings?
I
think
you'd
be
excellent.
Doris
is
our
housing
expert,
so
I'm
bummed,
you
miss
a
little
bit
of
it.
H
E
For
Thoughts
Doris
might
have
I
have
two
questions
have
when
you
did
the
homeownership
study
I
know
you're
still
doing
it,
but
did
you
have
a
specific
question
about
whether
the
homes
are
disability
accessible
and
did
you
have
a
question
about
whether
funding
for
modifications
to
the
home
for
accessibility
purposes
would
be
beneficial.
C
So
when
you
ask,
did
you
have
a
ques
a
question,
do
you
mean?
Is
that
part
of
the
conversation
and
my
answer
is
actually
let
me
let
me
ask
that
clarifying
question
before
I
answer.
E
Okay,
you
know
what
I
was
just
assuming
that
there
was
some
kind
of
survey
that
you've
already
done
since
you
started
in
2022.
So
I
was
wondering
if
one
of
the
survey
questions
was
about
the
the
the
need
for
a
home,
that's
accessible
or
can
be
made
accessible
as,
like
you
know,
you
probably
asked
what
are
some
barriers
for
you
to
buying
a
home
yeah.
C
So
we
we
actually
did
not
do
a
survey,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
just
that.
We've
we've
done
surveys
for
other
homeownership,
related
initiatives
in
the
past
and
just
didn't
feel
like
it
was
necessarily
it
was
necessary
for
this
piece.
We
did
do
extensive
data
analysis
through
a
variety
of
different
data
sources.
We
looked
at
MRIs
data.
We
looked
at
home
to
data
some
of
course
American
Community
surveys.
C
So,
but
no
we
did
not
do
a
survey.
I
will
say
that,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
community
engagement
that
we
do
as
part
of
phase
two
of
this
study.
You
know
those
are
the
type
of
issues
that
were
definitely
you
know
we
want
to
hear
about
and
we
want
to
hear
from
the
community
on
what
barriers
they're
they're
currently
facing.
C
So
you
know
if,
if
those
are
the,
you
know
the
types
of
issues
that
you're
seeing
when
you're
you
know
or
when
you're
talking
to
folks,
you
know
you.
We
would
certainly
welcome
that
feedback.
Akira
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
anything
that
you
wanted
to
add
to.
D
That
yeah
Caitlyn,
that
that
is,
that
was
perfect
yeah.
Absolutely
we
want
to
hear
what
the
challenges
are
throughout
the
county
and
so
having
someone
that
may
be
familiar
with
what
those
are
provide.
Information
at
our
sub,
the
Housing
Commission
homeownership
subcommittee,
meeting
or
through
other
means
that
which
can
be
found
again
on
our
website.
A
Yeah
I
would
say
personally
is
that
that
you
know
the
factors
that
access
objective
or
those
who
are
looking
to
age
in
place,
but
not
an
access
objective
to
Citizens
with
disabilities.
A
F
A
A
Yeah
so
I
would
say:
okay,
let
me
rephrase
that
then.
A
My
question
is:
is
the
county
also
looking
into
working
with
Builders
and
developers
to
incorporate
Universal
Design
principles
in
the
variety
well
in
the
variety
of
housing
units
that
the
county
currently
has
in
stock.
C
D
Yeah
I
can
so
the
county
does
we
do
obtain
units
for
our
affordable
dwelling
unit
program
which
are
affordable
home
ownership
units
and
we
get
those
units
through
the
development
process
of
special
exception.
We
currently
have
about
62
units
in
our
portfolio
throughout
the
county,
so
that
program
is,
is
small
compared
to
others.
But
of
course
the
county
is
is
smaller
as
well,
but
we
currently
again
have
62
units
in
our
portfolio
and
right
now
we
have
two
available
units
in
the
axomite
Village
Development
you
may
have.
D
You
may
have
seen
this
information
in
the
community,
but
we
have
two
available
units
there
and
one
of
the
one
of
those
units.
Well,
both
of
those
units
are
two
bedroom
units
and
they
are
priced
at
369..
D
Both
of
the
units
are
located
on
the
ground
level.
One
of
the
two
units
has
modifications
for
physical
accessibility,
so
that's
grad
bars,
lowered
doors
and
faucet
handles
lowered
counters
and
modified
storage
areas.
D
So
when
we
typically
when
we
obtain
these
units
through
development,
the
county
wants
to
get
at
least
one
of
those
units
to
be
modified
in
some
way.
But
it's
it's
a
challenge
because
we
can
receive
that
unit,
but
if
we
don't
have
a
buyer
for
that
unit,
because
the
units
are
sold
through
Lottery
and
they're
sold
through
a
random
selection
Lottery,
essentially
so
that
essentially
means
that
whoever
wins
the
lottery
to
purchase
the
unit
would
need
to
be
able
to
use
that
accessibility
or
that
accessible
unit.
D
We
haven't
had
considerable
issues
up
until
now
from
folks
that
may
may
not
have
needed
that
accessibility.
So
we
are
really
happy
that
we
have
those
units
throughout
our
portfolio.
The
units
in
our
portfolio
sell
very
few
and
far
between
they're,
not
units
that
have
a
really
high
turnover,
but
we
do
currently
have
two
units
that
are
for
sale
and
they're
brand
new
units
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
additional
information.
D
If
you
want
to
email
me
or,
however,
you
want
to
reach
out
be
happy
to
provide
that
information,
but
I
think
throughout
this
study.
Yes,
I
think
it's.
These
are
considerations
that
we
really
need
to
think
further
about
and
really
determine
how
we
can
expand
or
enhance
these
programs
in
order
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
and
so
having
those
voices
at
the
table.
I
think
is
really
important.
H
Is
it
possible
to
and
again
let
me
know
if
this
is
too
businessy,
but
is
it
possible
to
rethink
that
lottery
for
the
accessible
units
because
I,
definitely
in
you
know,
working
in
disability
related
housing
issues?
It
seems
like
one
of
the
consistent
challenges
is
getting
a
unit
to
a
person
at
the
right
time.
It's
always
you
know,
there's
always
somebody
looking
for
one
and
there's
one.
That's
just
gone
or
there's
one
that's
available
and
there's
you
know.
H
People
are
scrambling
to
find
someone
to
fill
that
and
so
that
that
added
step
of
the
lottery
I,
just
kind
of
wonder
if
that
might
make
it
harder
for
those
units
to
get
to
the
people
who
can
use
those
features.
D
I
think
that's
yeah,
that's
something
that
we
can
just
note.
I,
don't
know
what
the
the
parameters
would
be
there
for
us
to
sell
those
units
directly
without
Lottery,
but
I
think
it's
certainly
something
that
we
can
just
reference.
C
But
and
I
also
think
that
you
know
you
know
the
types
of
suggestions
that
we
want.
Are
you
know
similar
things
like
that
for
how
we
can
improve
our
programs?
Not
only
to
you
know,
help
people
support
individuals
looking
to
purchase
their
home
or
you
know
who
are
currently
living
in
their
home,
but
also
how
we
can
just
get
the
word
out
better
and
how
we
can
make
the
process
more
Equitable,
so
yeah.
Those
types
of
suggestions
are
are
definitely
welcome.
As
we
sort
of
get
to
talking
about
program
recommendations.
C
It
looks
like
there's
another
question
and
I'm
sorry.
I
can't
see
your
name.
E
B
Them
is
that
we've
had
a
number
of
site
plan
projects
that
have
gone
through
the
Housing
Commission.
A
Since
we
don't
have
a
quorum,
the
questions
have
to
be
related
to
the
presentation
correct.
It
is
I.
B
Quite
understand
that
okay,
so
so
well,
first
thing
I,
guess
I
want
to
ask
you
is,
can
you
say
what
number
of
units
that
you
have
that
are
designated
affordable
or
could
use,
for
example,
the
mypath
program
or
purchase
how
many
of
those
are
Condominiums
and
multi-family
buildings,
and
and
how
many
of
them
are
considered
single
family,
which
would
be,
of
course,
townhouses,
anytime,
duplex
or
or
a
regular
single
family?
B
Okay
the
reason
for
asking
that
question
is
Fair.
Housing
Act
would
cover
those
those
units
that
are
my
family
and
and
whereas
townhouses,
duplexes
and
single-family
dwellings
are.
D
B
Covered
in
the
state
building,
so
it
doesn't
cover
them
by,
for
example,
there's
there's
a
building.
That's
just
been
Builder
me
still
be
in
the
process
of
being
built
right
here
next
to
the
subway
station,
and
there
are
at
least
four
units
in
there
and
it's
a
it's
a
condo.
B
It's
a
purchase
and-
and
there
are
at
least
four
units
in
there-
I
believe
that
are
that
are
condos
that
are
either
two
or
four
but
I
think
it's
four
that
are
poor
purchase
and
we're
designated
as
committed
or
affordable
and
and
so
I'm
wondering
when
projects
like
that
are
going
up
and
an
agreement
is
made
in
the
in
the
negotiation
of
the
site
plan.
B
D
Yeah,
so
definitely
we
we
try
to
get
the
word
out.
I
think
there's
always
an
opportunity
to
expand
how
and
who
we
are
doing
that
research
or
that
Outreach
to
I,
think
forms
and
conversations
like
this
really
help
us
to
determine.
You
know
where
we
aren't,
where
we
aren't
providing
that
information
and
where
we
can
possibly
expand
our
marketing
efforts.
D
So
I
think
we
are.
We
are
certainly
open
to
get
the
word
to
additional
outlets
right
now
we
are,
we
use
the
County
website
and
all
now
we
have
a
number
of
County
newsletters
that
go
out
that
reaches
you,
know
thousands
of
of
citizens,
but
again
I
am
more
than
open
to
receiving
feedback
on
other
outlets
for
outreach
and
then,
in
addition
to
your
your
other
question,
I
believe
the
question
was
how
many
of
the
units
in
our
affordable
dwelling
unit
portfolio
are
condos.
D
Okay,
so
we
have
about
48
condos,
we
have
seven
duplexes
and
six
town
homes
and
then
the
I
think
we
have
like
two
single-family
units.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
the
majority
of
our
units
are
Condominiums
that
are
used
in
in
my
path
is
the
down
payment
assistance
program
that
can
be
used
to
purchase
an
affordable
dwelling
unit,
but
my
Pap
can
also
be
used
to
purchase
a
market
rate
unit.
D
So
we
don't
I,
don't
have
the
the
information
on
how
many
of
those
of
our
my
papillons
have
purchased
have
been
used
to
purchase
market
rate
units
that
were
accessible,
but
my
Pap
can
be
used
for
market
rate
units
or
for
the
affordable
dwelling
units.
B
And
and
this
the
second
question
was
regarding
regarding
the
foreign-based
code
over
on
Columbia
Pike,
were
now
require
in
in
new
construction
that
that
the
properties
like
townhouses
and
single
family
dwellings
will
be
visitable
in
accordance
with
the
State
Building
Code,
and
so
what
you
were
referring
to
as
as
Universal
Design.
So
so,
are
you
guys
doing
any
kind
of
inventory
of
this
as
they
come
along,
because
that
that's
a
real,
considerable
step
forward
for
single
families
to
be
required
to
to
have
the
visibility
features
even.
G
D
I'm
I'm
I,
don't
want
to
you
know,
mention
something
that
I'm
really
just
not
familiar
with,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
affordable
dwelling
units,
we
do
not
have
any
affordable
dwelling
units
on
the
horizon
through
the
neighborhood
form-based
code
AS
of
as
of
today,
but
I
think
whenever
those
those
plans
are
they
come
to
our
our
desk.
We're
up
we're,
definitely
looking
at
ensuring
that
we
have
a
number
of
those
units
that
are
accessible
again.
We
don't
get
a
lot
of
these
units
at
all.
D
So
typically,
within
one
development,
we
will
probably
get
four
units
and
we
again
have
about
a
total
of
62
and
that's
really
since
the
Inception
of
the
of
the
program,
which
was
a
very
long
time
ago.
D
So
whenever
we
do
get
those
units
between
05
and
and
now,
we
are
definitely
trying
to
ensure
that
we
have
affordable
dwelling
units
that
are
also
accessible
or
would
have
the
ability
to
be
modified.
Foreign.
C
In
particular,
you
know
what's
going
on
with,
as
you
mentioned,
the
new
construction
standards
for
on
Columbia
Pike
for
the
for
on
based
on
the
four
base
code.
So
we
can
check
on
that
and
get
back
to
you.
E
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
have
a
caveat
that
I
do
not
know
housing
issues
like
Doris
does
so
pardon
my
if
it's
a
question
that
you
have
to
ask
further
questions
about,
but
I
was
I
have
been
told
by
others
that
permitting
issues
can
take
a
long
time
and
be
expensive
and
the
reason
I've
been
told.
This
is
because
I,
my
home
I'm,
a
homeowner
25
years
and
I,
am
in
the
position
of
having
to
make
my
home
accessible.
E
That's
why
I
know
that
the
program
to
to
help
with
home
modifications
has
been
discontinued,
but
I
was
thinking,
for
example,
of
having
to
do
something
like
put
in
a
driveway
so
because
there
are
no
curb
cuts
on
my
street.
So
my
question
is,
with
permitting
and
other
kinds
of
issues
like
that
has
that
come
up
as
a
a
barrier
to
home
ownership
or
I'm.
E
Rather,
thinking
about
the
aging
and
place
prom
that
you
mentioned,
and
and
is
there
any
kind
of
program
that
would
allow
people
who
are
seeking
permitting
for
it
to
make
their
homes
accessible,
whether
they
could
be
at
the
top
of
the
list
or
get
preference
or
am
I
completely
off?
With
my
permitting
question
no.
C
No
I
mean
it
hasn't
necessarily
come
up
in
our
conversations
yet,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not
an
issue,
so
you
know
we'll
definitely
take
that
down
and
you
know
keep
it
keep
an
eye
out,
for
you
know
other
comments
that
we
hear
about
that.
I
will
say
that
we
we
currently
Grant
fund
a
program
called
Rebuilding
Together,
which
does
provide
accessibility,
modifications
to
older
adults
and
persons
with
disabilities.
You
have
to
meet
a
certain
income
area.
C
C
Is
that
option
out
there,
especially
for
you
know,
lower
moderate
income
homeowners
who
don't
might
not
have
the
ability
to
make
larger
make
a
larger
investment
to
you
know,
do
accessibility,
modifications
to
their
home
and
typically
the
things
that
Rebuilding
Together
does
are
you
know
like
grab
bars,
comfort,
height,
toilets
they
will
they
can
even
install
a
ramp
into
somebody's
home
if
they
have,
you
know,
Mobility
challenges,
so
there's
there's
there
are
options.
It's
there.
It's
just
limited
right
now
to
the
one
program
that
I
just
mentioned.
E
Okay
and
I
have
to
keep
this
in
the
phrase
of
a
question
when,
when
are
any
of
these
on
the
Arlington
website,
where
you
search
for
disability,
my
experience
has
been
when
I
searched
for
a
disability
on
the
Arlington
County
website.
It
just
goes
straight
to
the
DD
services
and
I,
so
one
of
my
questions
is:
have
we
thought
of
cross-posing
Housing
Home
Ownership
accommodation
issues
like
programs
like
yours,
under
the
disability
programs,
the
website.
C
I'm
not
sure
I'm,
sorry,
there's
so
much
noise
from
somewhere,
I'm,
not
really
sure
where
but
I
think
what
your
question
was
was
whether
are
the
programs
that
we
offer,
particularly
the
ones
that
are
available
to
persons
with
disabilities,
whether
it
shows
up
on
the
Disability
Services
site,
okay,
I
I'm,
not
sure
we
can
definitely
check
on
that
and
talk
with
our
counterparts
at
the
Department
of
Human
Services
and
try
to
get
some
more
information
up
there.
E
E
D
A
Yeah,
if
you
have
any
other
questions
of
course,
email
them,
Courtney
and
I'm
gonna
start
talking
and
Courtney.
Stop
me
if
this
is
the
violation
of
the
rules,
but
I
think
we
might
want
to
add
this
to
a
future
agenda.
You.
D
A
Darn
that
roll
other
than
that
Akira
and
Caitlyn.
Thank
you
so
much
for
presenting
we'll
be
in
touch
soon.
E
Sorry
I
just
now
thought
of
it.
Sorry,
bye,
Brett,
I,
understand
this
is
a
home
ownership
study
and
there's
a
person
on
our
committee
who
often
asks
questions
about
rental,
how
hard
it
is
to
rent
for
people
with
disabilities
on
fixed
incomes?
Is
there
any
kind
of
similar
study
or
does
your
division
help
with
identifying
rental
costs
for
individuals
who
need
affordable
units.
C
So
I
I
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
your
question
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
just
because
of
all
the
background
noise.
But
what
I
think
you?
What
I
think
you're
asking
is
that
there
is
another
study
going
on
that
looks
at
the
rental
costs
for
persons
with
disabilities.
Is
that
what
you're
asking
yeah.
E
Or
just
rental
costs
in
general
I'm
trying
to
represent
some
somebody
who's,
not
in
the
meeting.
C
E
Times
about
how
rental
costs
are
high
in
arm
yeah,.
C
So
you
know
the
county
did
pass
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
in
2015.
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
and
the
majority
of
the
objectives
and
goals
in
the
master
plan
are
related
to
rental
housing
and
it
looked
at
a
variety
of
different
issues,
and
so
there
are
goals
in
in
there
related
to
you
know
ensuring
that
folks
have
affordable
housing.
C
That's
the
purpose
of
of
the
plan,
but
as
far
as
additional
studies
I'm
not
aware
of
any
right
now,
A
Curie
I,
don't
know
if
you
are,
but
you
know
it's
obviously
a
huge
issue
in
a
place
like
Arlington
that
has
is,
you
know
very
high
cost.
Unfortunately,
so
it's
affecting
a
lot
of
people.
It's.
A
All
right
so
up
next
we
have
a
presentation
on
the
potential
taxi
cab,
Fair
rate
increase
all
right.
F
Good
evening,
I
hope
you
can
hear
me:
I
I,
Echo
the
background
noise.
It's
a
little
strong
good
evening.
My
name
is
Angie
de
la
breera
and
I'm
with
the
Des
Transportation
Planning
and
we're
here
tonight
to
present
the
the
2023
taxi
cab
Fair.
Let
me
pull
up
my
presentation.
F
All
right,
I
hope
you
can
see
it
so
and
with
me
tonight
will
be
Brian
Shelton.
Who
will
help
me
go
along
with
the
presentation.
F
The
ataxicab
ordinance,
which
is
section
25.1
of
the
Arlington
County
code,
sets
the
rates
of
fare
for
the
taxicab
industry
on
a
biennial
basis.
The
County
board
approval
is
required.
The
County
Board
will
hear
the
request
to
advertise
at
the
April
22
meeting
and
adoption
will
occur
at
the
May
13
meeting.
F
F
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
numbers
per
company.
Currently
we
have
six
companies
and,
and
only
two
of
those
companies
have
wheelchair
accessible
vehicles.
Blue
top
and
red
top
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
total
authorized
wheelchair
accessible
Vehicles
is
39
in
the
total
Vehicles,
including
those
wheelchair
is
441.
Just
as
a
point
of
reference.
In
2017
we
had
the
highest
number,
there
were
847
authorized
vehicles
and
out
of
those
97
were
authorized.
Wheelchair
accessible
vehicles.
F
G
Thanks
Angie
so
to
support
the
proposed
rate
increase
for
taxicab
companies.
We
pulled
a
consumer
price
index
data
from
the
Bureau
of
Labor
Statistics
to
note
the
changes
in
the
cost
of
doing
business
as
a
taxi
driver,
and
we
also
made
about
900
observations
using
the
Uber
and
Lyft
app
to
gauge
minimum
prices,
maximum
prices
and
typical
prices
to
destinations
that
are
5,
10
and
25
miles
away.
G
That's
from
2100
Clarendon
Boulevard
during
the
month
of
January,
starting
here
with
the
with
the
BLS
data
across
the
board
and
in
line
with
what
we're
hearing
in
the
news.
Really
since
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
inflation
supply
chain
issues,
chip
shortages,
Etc
prices,
are
on
the
Rise.
G
You
can
all
see
this
reflected
in
the
table
here.
We
pull
the
data
related
to
owning
and
maintaining
a
taxi
cab,
and
our
findings
indicate
the
cost
for
operators
has
increased
by
38
percent
from
the
lat
last
rate
increase
in
2016.,
some
of
the
largest
contributors
to
the
cost
increase
was
the
increase
in
fuel
costs,
which
we
calculated
at
78
percent
increase
in
Insurance
costs
at
39
percent,
the
increase
in
maintenance
and
repair
costs
at
38
percent
and
the
increase
in
the
cost
of
living
in
26
percent.
G
The
percent
change
in
the
proposed
fares
for
the
5,
10
and
25
mile
trips
do
not
necessarily
correspond
to
the
percent
rise
in
inflation
that
we're
currently
experiencing.
However,
the
the
new
prices
will
remain
competitive
with
the
transportation,
Network
companies
and
operators
based
in
other
jurisdictions.
G
The
rates
will,
however,
be
the
most
expensive
in
the
region.
Just
at
the
moment.
It
is
important
to
note
here
that,
like
Arlington
County,
other
jurisdictions
have
not
raised
their
rates
in
the
last
seven
to
ten
years
and
we're
finding
that
some
jurisdictions
are
exploring
the
possibility
of
increasing
the
rates
as
well.
For
example,
Alexandria
has
recently
increased
its
drop
rate,
just
the
price
for
getting
into
the
cap
to
four
dollars,
and
they
are
discussing
increasing
the
distance
change
or
the
distance
charge
later
this
year.
G
The
graph
that
we
have
up
right
now
compares
the
proposed
amended
Arlington
TAXI
fares,
with
the
current
fairs
in
the
neighboring
jurisdictions
for
those
5
10
and
25
mile
trips,
as
mentioned
in
the
previous
slide,
with
the
proposed
initial
drop
charge
and
the
per
mile
increase
taxi
trips
in
Arlington
will
be
higher
than
other
jurisdictions.
For
now,
the
first
bar
in
each
of
those
bins,
the
Five
Mile
10,
Mile
and
25
mile.
That
is,
the
current
fare
for
an
Arlington
County
cab,
ride
at
five
miles,
10
miles
and
25
miles.
G
G
We,
let's
see
the
minimum
rates
were
the
most
affordable
rates
that
we
observed
for
Uber
and
Lyft.
Those
are
the
light
blue
and
light.
Orange
maximum
rates
were
the
most
expensive
rates
observed.
Those
would
be
the
dark,
blue
and
the
dark
orange,
and
what
we
noticed
is
that
most
maximum
rates
we
were
offered
during
the
peak
commute
times.
G
This
would
be
during
rush
hour
also
during
the
weekend
evenings
like
Friday
and
Saturday
night,
and
we
also
noted
that
special
events
as
well,
one
of
those
States,
was
during
the
Super
Bowl,
and
what
you're
looking
at
are
those
most
expensive
rates.
F
Is
to
authorize
advertisement
of
a
public
hearing
by
the
County
Board
on
May
14
to
consider
an
increase
in
the
drop
from
3
to
350
and
1
6
of
a
mile
from
36
Cents
to
40
40
cents
under
chapter
25.1
of
the
Arlington
County
code.
This
would
be
effective,
July,
1st
2023
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
take
any
questions.
F
Sure
you
mean.
F
Sure
so,
for
a
five
mile
trip
under
current
fair
would
be
13.80
under
the
proposal
would
be
15.50,
which
is
a
difference
of
a
dollar
seventy
for
10
miles.
The
current
fare
would
be
24.60
and
the
proposed
will
be
27.50
and
that's
a
difference
of
2.90.
F
Is
that
answer
your
question?
Miss
Ray
yeah.
A
F
And
yeah
and
the
25
is
57
and
the
proposed
would
be
63.50
for
a
difference
of
six
dollars
and
fifty
cents.
A
And
I'll
start
out
with
the
first
question,
focusing
on
the
accessible
taxi
cabs,
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
the
record.
You
said
in
2017
it
was
97
wheelchair
accessibles.
F
Yeah
we
authorized,
we
had
97
wheelchair
accessible.
A
F
That
yeah
sure
so
so
what
hap
what's
happening
is
basically
due
to
competition
with
tnc's
the
companies
there's
a
cost
associated
with
each
vehicle.
F
So
the
the
the
taxicab
companies
cannot
keep
up
with
those
costs
so
and
they're
not
getting
the
business
they
used
to
have
so
they
they
have
to
renew
the
license
to
operate
it
each
year
with
the
county
and
so
we're
finding
out
that
each
year,
they're
reducing
the
number
of
of
of
the
license
to
operate
in
the
county,
so
in
in
2017
was
the
peak
was
the
last
year
that
was
the
peak.
It
was
I
think
for
2015,
16
and
17..
F
Something
like
that
was
that
847
total
authorized
since
2017
we're
getting
less
and
less
vehicles,
including
the
wheelchair,
accessible.
A
And
and
Courtney
stopped
me
at
this,
is
we
need
to
have
a
quorum
question
that
has
the
need
for
accessible
taxi
cabs
decrease,
because
you
know
Federal
Regulations,
particularly
with
the
star
program,
which
also
uses
red
top
and
blue
top,
requires
service
levels
comparable
to
the
Metro
System.
So
you
know
I
I,
it
just
seems
like
you
know.
The
county
should
be
making
sure
that
and
another
question,
or
is
this
for
just
the
county
like
is?
F
So
I'll
start
with
this
with
this
question
just
now,
each
each
jurisdiction
has
its
own
taxicab
companies
and
regulates
because
it's
regulated
under
the
local
level
and
so
Arlington
County
regulates
this
company's
there's
a
reciprocity
agreement
which,
as
as
if
there's
either
the
origin
or
the
destination,
is
in
Arlington.
You
can
always
use
an
Arlington
County
taxi
cab,
but
you
cannot
use
in
Alexandria
taxi
cab
to
go
from
Arlington
to
Arlington
or
Arlington
DDC.
F
So
there's
that
point
going
back
to
your
first
question,
which
I'm
sort
of
blanking
out
and
I:
don't
if
you
can
refresh
my
yeah.
A
F
We
do
it's
on
our
website,
we
do
so.
This
is
at
the
annual
process
for
the
fair
increase
on
odd
number
years,
the
even
number
of
years
we
look
at
the
number
of
certificates,
and
so
the
report
is
there
and
we
provide
data
on
the
usage
for
the
last
three
years.
Unfortunately,
it's
been
coveted,
so
all
the
numbers
were
heavily
I
I
believe
it
was
in
the
73
74
down
for
actually
for
the
wheelchair
accessible
requests.
So
it's
not
a
good
gauge,
but
it.
F
But
it's
and
another
thing
regarding
the
Start
program:
the
county
will
absorb
this
costs
under
the
star
program,
so
the
increase
will
go
to
the
county,
not
the
star
Riders
star
not
only
uses
Arlington
County
taxi
cabs
they,
but
they
also
use
Diamond
Transportation,
which
has
actually
increased
the
number
of
wheelchair
accessible
vehicles,
but
it's
not
a
taxi
cab.
So
it's
on
off
our
regulations.
So
that's
a
different
type
of
business
and
I
believe
I
might
have
answered
all
your
questions.
A
Yes,
currently,
and
one
more
question
then
I'll
go
to
Doris-
is:
is
the
county
considering
any
financial
support
to
ensure
that
service
providers
are
able
to
attain
wheelchair
accessible
caps?
I
did
a
brief
research
on
this,
and
you
know
they
they're
incredibly
they're
more
expensive
than
the
standard
vehicles
has
staff
considered
programs
for
assistance.
F
So
we
I
completely
recognize
that
and
all
the
policies
that
we
try
to
put
to
put
forth
in
the
county,
it's
always
to
facilitate
the
taxicab
companies
to
maintain
and
keep
those
wheelchair
accessible
vehicles.
F
There's
not
such
thing
as
you
were
saying,
but
what
we've
done,
for
example,
so
during
covet,
you
know
the
certificate,
this
annual
renewal
fee.
It
was
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollar
per
vehicle
in
the
past
during
the
covet
and
because
we
wanted
to
maintain
the
level
of
service,
especially
for
the
wheelchair
accessible.
We
lowered
it
to
50
per
vehicle,
but
free
for
wheelchair,
accessible
Vehicles,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
pay
anything
to
keep
the
license
for
wheelchair
accessible.
F
Other
things
we've
done
is
because
of
the
vehicles
are
really
expensive.
A
couple
years
ago
we
gained
the
years
of
service.
The
industry
was
asking
to
move
from
10
years
of
service
to
12
years
of
service
for
the
vehicles,
and
we
decided
to
not
only
grant
that
for
all
vehicles
but
for
wheelchair
accessible.
If
we
moved
it
to
15
years
so
they
would
get
additional
years
of
service
or
they
can
buy
used
vehicles
because
they
would
have
longer
usage
for
the
company.
A
F
F
A
F
Do
have
star
correct,
we
do
have
the
star
program
yeah,
to
help
the
people
get
two
places.
A
F
A
F
I
mean
it's:
it's
I'll
take
the
idea.
I'll
take
the
idea,
but
like
I
I,
just
want
to
point
out
that
we
are
always
looking
at
ways
to
facilitate
the
companies
to
keep
and
maintain
those
Vehicles.
The
wheelchair,
accessible
vehicles.
B
Yeah
and
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
because
I
am
dedicated
tax
user
back
back
in
16
when
we
had
the
97
authorized
wheelchair
accessible
vehicles.
It's
my
recollection
that,
as
a
result
of
County
Board
action.
B
F
F
So
all
access
tried
to
it
was
a
startup
and
I
believe
they
got
all
the
way
to
10
12
wheelchair
accessible
Vehicles.
It
was
a
time
where
the
companies
were
reporting
hard
to
hire
drivers
because
they
were
going
to.
B
F
B
F
F
B
F
B
So
that's
one
thing:
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about.
The
other
is
I
I'm
curious
about
I
know
that
the
the
companies
are
are
using
their
certificates
and
and
are
they
they're
purchasing
the
wheelchair,
accessible
Vehicles
directly
right
the
companies
themselves
and
they're
using
them
for
the
dual
purpose
of
you
know,
running
Paratransit
rides
as
well
as
running
regular
rides.
F
B
F
F
B
Yeah,
but
one
of
the
things
that
the
I'm
also
concerned
about
is
whether
you're
looking
at
the
fact
that,
right
now,
since
17
or
18.,
red
top
and
and
at
the
red
top
and
the
Yellow
Cabs
from
all
the
surrounding
jurisdictions,
Fairfax
Alexandria,
Prince
William
were
bought
up
into
one
company
which
now,
at
least
in
some
circumstances,
trades
has
owned,
Dominion
Taxi
and
when
they
did
that
they
also
sold
off
these
red
top
sold
off
their
centralized
reservation
center.
B
You
know
here
in
Clarendon
and
and
they
went
to
remote
reservations
at
one
time,
some
company
in
in
Minneapolis
and
and
last
I
heard
was
Pittsburgh
and
a
computer
is
running
the
the
the
order
of
you
know,
taking
the
calls
and
there's
no
more
system
of
taxi
stands
that
would
bring
the
closest
cashew.
So,
in
fact,
when
you
call
a
taxi
on
a
on
a
regular
taxi
ride,
you
might
be
getting
somebody
who
accepts
the
job
into
something
Fair
Oaks
and
has
to
get
a
few,
etc,
etc,
etc.
B
So
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
you
in
in
in
in
deciding
to
increase
or
allow
for
a
rate
increase
to
the
taxi
Rider.
B
B
You
know
before
the
Takeover
and
that
actually
you
know
you
are
getting
I
I've,
gotten
taxi
rides
from
Prince
William
caps
up
here
and-
and
so
you
know,
my
concern
is
that
you're
going
to
increase
rates
and
many
people
with
disabilities,
particularly
blind
people
like
me,
or
anybody
who
doesn't
drive
because
of
of
their
disability
is
is,
is,
is
going
to
be
struck
with
them.
Paying
higher
rates
for
what
I
would
call
the
housing
service?
And
what?
B
F
But
going
back
to
some
of
the
points
you
were
making
you
know,
because
of
the
tnc's
are
part,
are
taking
a
big
bite
of
their
budget
or
their
money
in
this
case
for
taxis.
So
so
we're
we're
basically
going
to
the
lower
common
denominator
and
reducing
there.
They
got
rid
of
all
the
call
center.
F
So
it's
just
a
kind
of
like
one
of
those
things
that
you
know
that
they
need
an
increase
to
hopefully
attract
more
drivers,
so
hopefully
you'll
get
a
better
service,
but
the
point
is:
is
they
haven't
got
an
increase
since
2016,
and
especially
in
those
past
couple
years
we
know
how
much
the
cost
of
living
has
increased
and
and
and
drivers.
You
know
they
also
have
to
make
ends,
meet
and
they're
going
to
jobs
that
pay
them
more.
B
So
the
last
thing
I
want
to
ask
you
is:
do
you
have
the
numbers
on
the
the
fees
and
the
fees
that
the
drivers
have
to.
E
F
Yeah,
so
that's
what
we're
hearing
and
we
pulled
the
data
from
the
Bureau
of
Labor,
Statistics
and
and
like
Brian,
was
saying
it's
that's
an
increase
of
38
percent
in
this
past
seven
years,
they're
only
looking
at
an
increase
of
11
to
12
percent.
So
again,
a
very
modest
increase,
not
keeping
up
with
the
the
inflation
that
we
are
seeing.
I
You
for
letting
me
out,
yeah
I
was
just
wondering
when
you
said
the
reports
happen
as
to
if
the
reports
ever
include
the
fact
that,
when
I'm
in
a
wheelchair
several
times,
taxi
cabs
can't
pick
me
up,
because
the
wheelchair
weight
limit
and
the
taxi
cab
don't
mix
well,
so
was
wondering
that
when,
like
the
county
sees
the
statistic,
is
that
also
reported
when
the
taxi
cab
company
leaves
me
at
the
side
of
the
road,
because
the
vehicle
that
they
sent
doesn't
fit?
The
wheelchair
you.
I
E
I
When
they
ask
you
on
the
phone-
and
they
say
like
you
know,
I'm
in
a
500
pound
wheelchair
and
they
like,
we
can't
pick
you
up.
We,
we
don't
have
the
vehicle
to
do
that.
So
just
wondering,
if
that's
a
part
of
any
of
your
statistics,.
F
No,
we
look
at
the
overall
I
mean
when
we
asked
for
dispatch
trips,
I
I
take
what
they
give
me,
but
in
reality
there's
no
right
or
wrong.
I
mean
if,
if
they're
applying
for
more
certificates,
which
has
not
been
the
case,
they
would
want
those
numbers
to
be
really
high,
but
they
haven't
been
applying
for
any
certificates.
So
there's
there
hasn't
been
a
need
for
them
to
to
increase
or
decrease
those
numbers
for
any
reason.
B
I
The
county
doesn't
sound,
like
you,
are
supporting
these
companies
to
also
provide
the
alternative
method
of
transportation,
because
several
times
I
find
myself
just
in
my
wheelchair,
using
my
wheelchair
on
streets
where
policemen
get
mad
at
me,
because
there's
things
blocking
the
sidewalks
and
so
I'm
in
traffic
in
my
wheelchair,
because
there's
no
other
way
to
get
where
I
need
to
go
right
because
the
buses
don't
do
those
last
miles
right
and
and
taxi
cabs.
Don't
allow
my
wheelchair
to
go
there
so
I
guess
that's
my
kind
of
consideration.
I
was
thinking
about
this.
If.
F
You
can
send
Kearney
the
specifics,
because
I'm
not
aware
I,
wasn't
aware
of
this
issue
and
I'll
I'll,
see
I'll,
can
talk
to
the
industry
and
make
sure
they
get
qualified
vehicles
for
your
situation.
F
At
this
point,
that's
that's.
You
know
at
least
make
them
make
them
aware
of
that
they're
citizens
that
require
a
specific
type
of
vehicle.
For
that
have
you
are
you
part?
Do
you
work
with
Start
program
or
anything
I,
just
don't
know
if
the
diamond
Transportation
has
anything
that
we
can
look
at
or
anything
that
you're
aware
of.
I
There's
lots
of
programs,
but
when
you've
got
that
last
minute
kind
of
thing,
like
you
know
tonight,
my
wheelchair
wasn't
charged
enough
for
me
to
take
it
on
the
streets
to
get
there
and
I
couldn't
call
a
taxi
cab
to
get
to
the
meeting
that
would
show
up
that
can
carry
my
wheelchair,
also
right
and
by
the
time
you
figure
that
out.
The
bus
also
won't
get
made
to
the
meeting
on
time.
So
then
I
become
stuck
because
there's
just
not
the
mechanism
to
get
you
where
I
want
to
go
sure.
A
H
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
the
issue
that's
driving
this
proposed
increase
in
fares
is
am
I
right
that
it's
an
attempt
to
attract
more
drivers
because
I,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
I'm
seeing
folks
bring
up
to
me,
for
example,
bringing
up
issues
with
the
star
program,
and
things
like
that.
H
It
seems
like
the
issue
is
that
there
just
aren't
enough
calves
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
that's,
if
that's
what
this
is
about,
and
do
we
have
any
idea
or
prediction
or
anything
on
how
much
this
might
help
to
improve
that
issue
or
issues
like
that.
Or
is
that
not
something
that
we
could
make
a
guess
at
her.
F
Sure
so
this
was
a
request
from
the
industry,
so
it
wasn't
us
that
said:
hey,
you
know
we
need
to
increase.
This
was
a
request
from
the
industry.
We
did
our
homework,
looking
at
the
cost
of
living,
look
at
Uber
and
Lyft,
and
so
on
so
forth.
So
the
industry,
what
they
told
us
was
hey.
We
can't
attract
drivers,
they're
getting
paid
more
working.
F
So
we
give
them
several
options
and
they
pick
the
three
to
three
fifty
and
the
216
to
240,
as
they
felt
that
was
significant
enough
for
them,
but
still
they
want
to
continue
to
be
competitive
and,
as
Brian
was
showing
in
the
short
distance,
they're
very
competitive.
Those
prices
would
be
cheaper
than
Uber
and
Lyft
for
the
most
part,
but
on
the
longer
trips
they
will
not
mainly
because
Uber
and
left
can
has
that
Dynamic
pricing,
and
so
they
can
adjust.
F
You
know
with
the
app
they
can
adjust
that
as
they
go,
but
the
county
sets
the
rates
in
it.
Doesn't
matter
if
you
go
one
mile
or
if
you
want,
or
if
you
go
25
miles
so
they're
not
going
to
be
as
competitive
for
the
Dallas
airport
runs,
for
example,
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
I
mean
they
are
the
ones
bringing
us
this
issue
to
us.
We
just
did
our
homework
to
support
if
it
was
Data
enough
to
support
that
which
we
think
there
is
with
the
inflation
and
so
on.
B
F
All
right
so
so
that
is
correct,
DMV
regulates
Uber
and
Lyft.
They
we
we
tried,
but
they
removed
us
from
localities
to
regulate
Uber
and
Lyft
at
the
local
level
and
what
we're
seeing
is
a
really
a
race
to
the
bottom.
That's
really
what
we're
seeing
we're
the
County's
trying
to
do
its
best
to
making
sure
there's
the
especially
the
wheelchair
accessibility
transportation,
because,
as
mentioned
Uber
and
Lyft,
do
not
have
that
requirement
are
you
are.
B
You
are
you
tracking,
for
example,
the.
E
F
So
we
are
protecting
the
customer
by
looking
at
you
know.
We
have
certain
things
like
the
rates.
You
know
the
stands,
there's
still
stands.
We
do
have
an
ordinance
to
protect
the
consumer
and
regulate
A
Private
Industry
and
set
certain
things,
but
we
don't
have
the
call
center
or
anything
where
the
calls
will
come
in
for
us
to
dispatch
taxis.
We
we
don't
have
that
to
know
if
there's
a
complaint
mechanism
that
goes
to
our
house
Hawk
office
and
it's
it's-
it's
been
pretty
quiet
too
along.
F
You
know,
since
the
tnc's
kind
of
took
off.
So
that's
that's
where
that's
how.
I
Our
question
has
the
county
ever
considered
either
a
debit
card
or
some
kind
of
reimbursement
program
for
because
I
know
that
I'm
on
a
fixed
income
being
a
disabled
veteran
like
I
only
make
so
was
wondering
that
that
if
this
increase
then
further
allows
me
not
to
use
a
service
well,
they're,
not
that's
a
possibility
or
how
this
committee
could
encourage
the
county
to
create.
You
know
a
debit
card
or
a
subsidy
kind
of
system
for
disabled
people.
F
So
the
the
only
thing
I
know
it's
the
star
program.
Maybe
is
something
Channel
Through,
the
the
the?
What
is
it
the
transit
accessibility
subcommittee
as
as
the
funds
would
have
to
be
allocated
and
so
on?
I'm,
not
sure
we
we
don't
and
the
we
just
regulate
the
ordinance
and
making
sure
that
you
know
things
are
balanced,
but
we're
not
we
don't
have
we
don't
have
a
specific
budget,
we
don't
have
any
funds,
we
don't
get
funds
from
anywhere
and
yes,.
A
So
I
think,
based
upon
the
conversation
this,
if
I
can
see
this
Courtney
if
our
April
agenda
is
not
too
busy.
If
we
can
add
this
as
a
further
discussion
topic.
A
A
Berkeley
but
I
I
do
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
time,
we're
almost
at
the
two
hour
mark,
but
if
there's
no
other
questions
Angie
Brian.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
some
time
to
go
over
the
proposal.
F
I'm
sorry,
quick
question,
so
for
the
next
agenda.
What
would
be
it
would
be
this
topic,
or
are
you
looking
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board?
I'm
sorry,
I'm,
not
sure.
A
No
yeah,
if
we,
if
we
have
any
other
questions,
we'll
communicate
through
recording
okay.
I
E
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
guys:
do
you
mind
I'm
on
screen?
Why
I
wasn't
there?
I
I
was
absolutely
planning
to
be
there
and
I
wrenched,
my
knee
last
evening
and
so
I
and
I'm
going
out
of
town
tomorrow,
so
I
really
just
felt
like
I
needed
to
rest.
My
knee
I
just
wanted
to
explain,
because
I
would
normally
have
been
there
and
I'm
sorry
to
leave
folks
who
came
all
the
way
in
the
Lurch.
So.
E
That's
why
I'm
not
there?
Oh.