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A
That
we'll
call
the
order
of
the
September
20th
hlb
meeting.
Please
call
the
rule.
B
D
E
A
Everybody
online,
but
in
general
here
anyway,
Let's
do
the
explanation
of
today's
I'm
hearing
procedures
so
again
welcome
to
this
meeting
again
and
so
effective
September
1st
2022
State
earlier
in
our
car
is
cutting
board.
One
of
the
commissions
include,
nature
will
be
to
in
person
performed
business.
A
It's
overhearing
to
provide
a
hybrid
environment
both
in
person
and
streaming
online
emergency
public
May
attend
and
participate
University
or
in
person
in
terms
of
the
board.
I.
Remember:
I'm,
sorry,
members
of
the
board
in
terms
of
the
public
during
this
evening
tonight,
so
meetings
available
to
stream
via
the
County
website.
It's
a
team
site
there's
also
a
dial
and
phone
option.
Bill
switch
to
use
it
board
members
for
the
north
speakers
loose
connectivity.
Please
please
call
back
my
phone.
A
A
I'll
call
you
to
speak
after
presentation
of
the
agenda
item.
The
meeting
in
chat
is
active
for
participants
who
need
technical
assistance
only.
It
should
not
be
used
for
discussion.
Public
comment,
questions
or
request
for
more
information.
Public
comments
must
be
shared
verbally
for
the
record
during
the
signed
public
wrestling
period.
A
D
F
A
A
Great
all
right,
thank
you
and
are
any
questions.
A
No
questions
about
those
so
we'll
move
on
to
our
move
on
to
our
first
item:
First
Avenue,
which
is
the
sorry
the
Barcroft
apartment
section
for
renovation.
B
We
have
the
applicants
here
so
I'm
very
familiar
level
online
and
thank
you-
and
there
are
members
also
of
their
team
online,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
a
brief
overview
of
my
staff
reports
concerning
the
project
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
applicants.
Who
will
give
much
more
detail,
so
the
hlwb
is
being
asked
to
review
and
provide
input
to
the
renovation
of
the
bar
Croft
departments.
B
You
all
reviewed
section
three
over
the
summer
and
now
we're
asking
to
review
Renovations
for
section
four
bar
craft
is
identified
in
the
Columbia
Pipe
neighborhoods
area
plan.
Barcraft
is
one
of
three
multi-family
residential
areas
identified
as
a
conservation
area
in
the
neighborhood
form-based
code,
and
it
is
in
the
case
of
Barcroft.
B
The
applicant
is
required
to
follow
specific
standards
of
the
conservation
areas
as
identified
in
part
seven
of
the
conservation
area
standards
and
their
standards
also
require
the
applicants
to
meet
with
the
hlr,
be
a
minimum
of
two
times
before
the
project
can
be
considered
by
the
County
board.
So
we'll
hear
from
them
tonight
and
we'll
figure
out
if
we're
going
to
hear
from
them
in
October,
so
the
proposal
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
long
list.
B
There
was
some
specific
discussion
concerning
the
proposed
rear,
handrail
behind
building
33
for
the
Ada
ramp,
and
there
was
recommendations
to
kind
of
minimize
the
horizontality
of
the
you
know
to
create
more
of
a
horizontality
approach
to
the
railings
instead
of
multiple
vertical
bars
and
just
to
kind
of
soften
the
appearance.
And
then
there
was
just
other
discussions
kind
of
clarifying
the
treatments
that
were
going
to
be
done
with
the
scope
of
the
renovation.
B
So
now
I'll
go
into
my
recommendations,
so
staff
does
not
have
any
issues
with
that
long.
Long,
scope
that
I
just
explained
majority
of
those
follow
guidance
of
both
part
7
of
the
conservation
area
standards,
as
well
as
the
Secretary
of
interior,
stands
for
Rehab
of
historic
properties,
specifically
standards.
One
two
and
nine,
although
most
of
these
do
fall
under
the
recommendations
with
the
secretary
and
Terry
standards.
There
are
a
couple
that
are
not
consistent.
B
That's
the
removal
and
replacement
of
the
steel
sash
basement
windows
with
vinyl
basement
windows,
new
penetrations
for
vents
on
the
rear,
elevations,
the
use
of
vinyl
or
aluminum
cladding
on
existing
wood
trim
as
per
Virginia
Housing
requirements
and
the
installation
of
canopies,
above
all,
entrances
to
meet
Virginia
Housing
requirements.
Staff
considers
the
proposed
replacement
of
the
steel
stash
basement
windows
with
vinyl
and
a
minor
change
to
the
historic
material
and
all
the
original
windows
in
section
4
have
already
been
replaced
except
those
basement
story
Windows.
B
Although
the
steel
stash
base
images
are
original,
they
are
not
considered.
Character-Defining
features
to
Barcroft
starting
the
new
penetration
for
the
vents
and
Rears
staff
Seasons
as
necessary,
so
the
historic
buildings
can
adapt
to
the
needs
of
its
current
and
future
residents
without
negatively
affecting
character-defining
features.
And
again,
these
penetrations
are
minimal.
Staff
agrees
that
the
cladding
of
the
existing
wood
trim
materials
in
the
installation
of
Entry
canopies
as
per
the
Virginia
Housing
requirements.
B
B
B
E
B
To
continue
working
with
them
and
Virginia
Department
of
historic
resources
to
see,
there's
a
chance
of
getting
waivers
for
some
of
these
items,
but
as
kind
of
what
was
happening
with
section
three,
they
need
to
present
it.
This
way,
just
in
case
there's
a
chance
that
they
don't
get.
Those
waivers
we
need
to
see
the
HLF
is
comfortable
with
those
or
not
again.
This
is
a
traditional
item,
so
it's
kind
of
like
looking
guidance,
we're
reviewing
it,
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
tweak
it.
B
If
not,
this
would
be
included
in
kind
of
a
general
summary
within
the
use
permit
order
report
that
staff
would
provide
about
how
the
hlrb
considered
the
project.
Then
there
is
some
mention
about
their
true
removal
and
the
replacement
plan.
There
are
eight
live
trees
in
a
proposal.
Removal
and
one
live
invasive
tree.
E
B
They
are
going
to
meet
their
replacement
requirements,
which
means
that
there
will
be
22
new
trees
that
will
be
planted
at
site
to
mitigate
that
change
and
we've
just
kind
of
asked
that
the
applicant
continue
working
with
urban
forestry
about
what's
going
on
with
their
tree
plant.
That's
my
part.
Sorry,
they
took
longer
than
the
side.
B
Please
go
ahead
and
take
it
away.
Thank.
F
You
Lauren
and
I
know
that
with
you
all
over
the
past
couple
months,
but
for
the
record
my
teachers.
F
E
E
F
Laura
Hughes
rounding
out
the
team
so
just
to
provide
a
little
more
context
about
the
scope
of
this
application.
We
recently
filed
the
form-based
code
special
use,
permit
application
in
August
triggering
that
process
very
similar
to
the
one
we
just
went
through
last
summer,
we're
waiting
on
comments
from
staff
and
these
DRC
and
hlrp
to
discuss
the
scope
of
these
Renovations.
As
Lauren
mentioned,
the
form-based
code
requires
applicants
to
meet
with
halrb
at
least.
I
F
F
Where
we
are
in
the
county,
Columbia
Pike
and
we're
on
the
west
side
of
the
Columbia
Pike
Corridor,
the
entire
Barcroft
site
there
is
outlined
in
blue.
It
is
one
mentioned
for
staff
report
discussed
before
Jireh
Lynch
acquired
this
site
with
assistance
from
the
county
and
Amazon
funding
a
few
years
ago,
while
we're
working
on
the
the
total
Master,
finance
and
development
plan
for
what
the
entire
you
development
of
the
entire
site
will
be.
F
In
the
meantime,
we
want
to
start
working
on
these
areas
where
we
know
there
will
not
be
any
Redevelopment
areas
where
we
can
go
ahead
and
start
improving
the
existing
conditions
for
some
of
these
residents.
So
this
is
this
is
the
dentist
behind
the
first
renovation
phase,
and
now
the
second
renovation
phase
and
you'll
see
most
of
that
is,
did
a
lighter
colors.
That's
all
within
the
neighborhoods
form-based
code,
small,
very
small
portion
on.
F
Here's
a
regulating
plan
map
of
the
form-based
code,
delineating
where
the
conservation
area
and
adjacent
Conservation
Area
locations
are
that
light.
Green
color
is
the
conversation
area
which
is
intended
not
only
to
preserve
buildings
with
regard
to
their
historic
nature,
but
also
to
preserve
their
housing.
F
It's
sorry
for
switching
orientations
on.
E
F
F
In
blue,
there
was
phase
one
about
mainly
in
the
1940s
that
other
area
to
the
top
of
the
pH
Outland
in
red
is
phase
two
developed
later
40s
and
early
50s
and
you'll
see
the
area
shaded
in
Gray
there,
those
pink
buildings
22
through
26..
Those
are
those
are
the
buildings
we
reviewed
and
renovation
in
phase,
one
that
was
approved
in
July
of
this
year
by
the
County
Board
and
that
included
exterior
and
interior
renovation
site
or
landscaping,
and
building
additions
and
you'll
see
on
the
right.
F
These
are
the
three
buildings
that
are
now
within
the
scope
of
this
renovation
phase:
two
he's
permanent,
it's
three
buildings,
32
33
and
34.
they're
within
what
we
would
call
section
four
of
bar
crop-
and
you
can
see
these
buildings
are
all
color-coded
and
put
into
sections
basically
when
they
were
were
developed.
So
these
were
Within
part
of
section
four
and
there's
about
77
students
existing
there
today
and
they're
all
two
bedroom
units.
F
So
looking
at
the
site
and
opportunities
here,
the
scope
of
renovation
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
smaller
than
what
you'd
saw
in
section.
One
it'll
be
very
similar
in
terms
of
the
exterior
Renovations
which
we'll
go
through,
but
there
will
not
be
any
building
additions.
Here,
though,
we
have
identified
a
pretty
rare
opportunity
to
add
on
Ada,
accessible
units,
convert
existing
two
bedroom
units
to
80
accessible
units
on
the
back
of
building
33,
so
we'll
walk
through
some
of
the
improvements
associated
with
that
and
then
similar
site
work.
That
was
a.
F
Then
here's
an
aerial
image
of
where
those
buildings
are,
you
can
see
in
context
the
entire
bar
across
site.
There's
kind
of
on
that
tail
end.
No
Redevelopment
anticipated
videos
that
other
residential
Community
there
to
the
back
next
slide.
F
Here
are
some
contexts
of
the
buildings
photos
as
they
exists.
Today
you
can
see
here,
building
32,
fronting
South,
Four,
Mile,
Run
Drive.
You
can
see
the
interior
Courtyard
and
some
of
the
more
or
need
entry
surrounds
there
next
slide
moving
south.
So
it's
photos
of
building,
33
and
I'll
note
here
to
unlike
phase
one.
Some
of
these
buildings
have
been.
The
break
has
been
painted
this
yellow
color
and
when
we
go
through
the
scope
of
Renovations,
we'll
know
where
we'll
be
painting
to
match.
F
F
To
summarize,
the
scope
of
the
exterior
Renovations
are
almost
identical,
so
what
you've
reviewed
in
phase
one
where
I
went
through
the
list
of
them?
That's
clean
cleaning
and
brick
repointing
the
brick
where
needed,
replacing
the
existing
asphalt,
roofs
with
new
asphalt,
roofs,
upgrading,
replacing
some
of
these
fixtures
and
then
similar
to
to
phase
one
with
the
interior
will
be
removing
those
older
heating
and
air
systems
required
boilers
and
p-tac
units
upgrading
those
with
some
new
modern
HVAC
equipment.
And
so
because
of
that
we'll
be
removing
some
of
those
exterior
vents
there.
E
F
F
And
then,
as
Lauren
mentioned,
we'll
be
replacing
these
basement,
these
metal
basement
windows
with
vinyl
to
match
existing
similar
to
phase
one
all
of
the
windows
on
this
building.
The
original
wood
had
already
been
replaced
with
final
windows,
and
so
we'll
be
replacing
these
basement
windows
to
match
existing
ones.
F
And
then
you
go
back
to
one
Gray
thanks
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
some
new
rear
penetrations
on
those
buildings
and
then
Lauren
went
through
some
of
the
changes
that
we
need
to
make
to
meet
the
Virginia
housing
design
construction
design
standards
is,
we
will
again
be
seeking
affordable
housing
funds
from
from
Virginia
Housing.
We
have
to
meet
their
construction
standards
for
which
include
canopies,
above
residential
entries,
aluminum
or
vinyl
cladding,
exterior
wood
and
then
also
new
to
this
application.
F
So
that's
four
new
rear
doors
that
will
rear
openings
that
will
have
to
add
to
the
back
of
building
33
you'll,
see
that
where
that
is
in
a
second
and
we'll
be
putting
fiberglass
doors
in
as
required
by
Virginia
Housing,
though,
unlike
the
canopies
and
the
aluminum
cladding,
probably
will
not
be
requesting
a
waiver
for
this
because
of
the
the
new
these
are
being
brand
new
entries
into
into
these
units
in
the
fiberglass
doors
required
for
durability
there.
For
for
those
who
are
accessible
units,
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
So
here
you
can
start
to
see
how
these
improvements
will
lay
out
on
the
site.
This
is
a
close-up
view
of
building
33,
which
is
that
middle
building
of
the
three
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
site.
Improvements
that
that
we're
making
is
Lauren
mentioned
we'll
have
to
take
down
some
of
the
existing
trees
to
accommodate
the
ramping
up
to
those
accessible
units,
as
well
as
because
of
utility
work
associated
with
some
of
the
site.
F
In
the
back,
where
you
can
see
kind
of
at
the
top
of
at
the
top
of
the
plan,
there
will
also
be
the
the
duster
from
the
north
part
of
the
site
over
here
to
closer
to
the
accessible
unit,
so
that
it's
easier
for
those
folks
to
to
take
out
their
trash
and
it's
close
to
their
parking
space
as
well,
which
would
be
convenient.
It
will
also
be
adding
each
wooden
trash
enclosure
to
that
to
that
area
as
well
and
I.
F
Think
that's
also
covered
here
and
I'll
note
that
there
are
no
guidelines
in
the
form-based
code
for
these
kind
of
accessory
structures
for
this
position
closure,
and
so
this
is
what
we've
come
up
with
to
appropriately
screen
that
that
dumpster
area
from
from
the
parking
lot
there
and
then,
with
that
I'm,
going
to
hand
it
off
now
to
The
Architects
to
walk
you
through
the
elevations
and
the
design
of
some
of
these
improvements
and
I'll.
F
Note
that,
as
an
update
from
our
DRC
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago,
we
did
look
into
a
couple
options
for
those
railings.
This
was
provincial
suggested
and
we've
got
options
for
you
all
to
look
at
tonight.
Like
your
your
feedback
on
that
when
we
get
around
to
it,
we're.
E
J
As
we
try
to
explain
the
we
designed
four
type
units
in
the
building,
33
of
the
section
4
of
Barcroft,
and
we
designed
new
openings
and
also
one
new
ramp
and
one
slope
to
walk
away
for
to
access
these
four
units.
As
you
see
on
this
slide,
the
type
8
units
are
in
the
address
4215
and
4217
of
the
section
4
of
barcraft
and
building
33
and
well
on
the
left
side.
You
see
an
ADA
ramp,
one
over
12.
J
If
it's
a
ray
link
and
then
on
the
right
side,
you
see
the
the
the
the
sloped
the
walkway,
because
it
the
slope
doesn't
reach
the
1
over
12,
it's
just
five
percent,
so
it
doesn't
need
any
guard
rail,
unlike
the
other
ramp.
Actually,
so
we
suggested
two
different
design
for
the
railing.
One
is,
as
you
see
here
is
with
the
infield
mesh
panel
on
the
left
side,
as
you
see
and
and
the
other
on
the
next
slide.
If
we
can.
J
J
We
will
correct,
we
have
a
perspectives
and
we
can't
show
it
better
in
the
next
slides.
So
this
is
the
first
approach,
the
first
the
option,
one
for
the
railing
with
the
inflow
mesh
panel
and
in
the
next
slide
we
have
a
more
horizontal
design
for
the
railing
next
slide.
Please.
F
E
J
This
is
the
option,
one,
as
you
see
the
infilled
mesh
panels
on
on
the
ground,
and
the
second
one
is
the
horizontal
railings
for
so
this
is
an
L-shaped
ramp
with
the
landing
in
the
middle
and
the
two
units
in
the
address
4215
have
a
common
Landing
common
entrance
land.
The
next
slide,
please.
J
J
So
these
pictures
are
taken
from
the
these
are
existing
doors
in
the
building,
30
I
I
think
it's
the
the
building
32.,
so
we're
gonna
use
the
same
type
of
the
same
design
and
pattern
for
the
vinyl
doors
in
the
new
type
A
units
or
accessible
units
in
the
four
accessible
units
that
we
just
showed
you.
So
they
said
they
have
like
nine
light
with
two
two
panels
at
the
below
of
the
of
the
doors
again.
J
This
is
just
an
example
of
the
door
and
the
disregard
the
window.
Next
to
it,
we
just
show
the
the
design
of
the
existing
doors
in
this
in
this
complex
next
slide,
please
yeah
again
as
a
as
a
part
of
our
scope.
Here
we
are
changing
the
the
exterior
lights
and
that
you
are
then,
on
the
right
side,
you
see
the
number
of
Lights
in
the
building
22
33
34.
The
light
is
very
similar
to
the
existing,
which
we
try
to
use
to
to
to
select
the
same
type
of
design
and
size
to
match.
J
Next
slide
yeah.
Well,
this
explains
the
the
windows.
All
the
windows
to
be
replaced
in
the
in
the
basement
will
be
a
vinyl
single
Punk,
very
performance,
u-value
and
shcc,
with
dual
pane
insulated,
glass
and
and
then
they
are
simulated,
divided
light
actually.
J
E
J
So,
as
Miss
Friday
explained,
all
the
wood
trims
facial
columns,
whatever
it
is
on
the
exterior
side,
needs
to
be
clouded
based
on
the
vhda
minimum
design
and
construction
requirements.
But
we
know
that
the
exceptions
may
be
considered
for
historic
buildings.
J
Next
slide
again
as
a
phda
minimum
design
and
construction
requirements,
we
need
to
have
a
channel
case
for
the
N
Francis,
so
we
designed
two
different
types
of
canopy
for
the
first
phase
of
this
complex
of
these
projects,
section
three
and
four
and
we
are
doing
we
are
suggesting
again
the
same
type
of
canopies.
One
is
more
modern,
as
you
see
on
the
left
side
of
this
axon
metric
perspective
with
tie
backs
and
the
other.
There
are
more
classical
and
traditional
design
with
a
triangular
structure
on
the
right
side.
J
J
So
here
you
see
the
the
first
option,
which
is,
as
I
said,
more
modern
design
and
approach
with
the
tie
back
to
the
to
the
exterior
brick
wall
and
then
on
the
right
side.
You
can
see
a
perspective
of
this
same
design.
J
J
And
the
next
slide
shows:
is
it
the
same
that
I
have
here?
Yes,.
J
These
are
the
rear
entrance
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
small
I
cannot
see
it
well
so
yeah.
These
are
the
rear
entrance
and
we
just
have
that
second
option
for
the
rear
entrances.
I
need
to
mention
that
the
number
of
canopies
also
is
marked
here.
The
build
32
will
get
a
six
canopies
building
33
two
canopies
I'm
getting
44
34.
Only
one
foreign.
F
Use
permit
application
requested
a
couple
modifications.
One
of
those
is
similar
to
the
previous
application
related
to
setbacks
and
parking
to
permit.
These
existing
buildings
are
made
the
same
and
the
other.
We
have
two
sets
of
modifications
of
exterior
standards.
You
know
one
is
for
those
window
replacements,
new
penetrations
to
the
rear
elevations,
as
well
as
the
those
new
Ada.
E
F
F
Application,
but
we
do
plan
on
requesting,
a
waiver
for
which
is
the
clat,
vinyl
or
aluminum
cladding
of
wood
trim,
as
well
as
the
the
entrance
canopies,
so
those
who
still
pursue
waivers
or
though
we
haven't
yet
heard
back
from
Virginia
Housing
on
the
phase
one.
So
we
don't
have
any
updates
yet
for
you
today,
but
we'll
continue
to
work
on
that
and
we've
included
those
in
this
application.
So
that's
concludes
our
presentation.
D
A
L
Hence
the
bank
in
Pioneer
disabilities,
so
they
don't
like
it
made
a
spectator
and
particularly
those
that
are
sand.
Propelled
your
hands
propelled
wheelchairs,
they're,
quite
athletic.
It's
a
real
issue,
so
I
think
the
lightest
approach
is
the
third
approach.
They're,
obviously,.
L
L
L
F
So
Jeff
I
think
you
might
be
able
to
opine
on
the
different
the
two
different
slopes
that
we
have
and
the
need
for
the
railing
on
the
on
the
one
that
has
the
eight
percent
slope
and
how
high
that
needs
to
be.
Can
you
jump
in
on
that
yeah.
M
I,
don't
have
the
the
exact
grade,
but
when
he
calculate
it
out,
of
course,
anytime
we
get
above
the
30
inch
change
in
elevation
from
the
top
of
the
you
know
the
ramp
surface
to
the
adjacent
grade,
we'll
need
to
have
the
guard
rail
in
addition
to
the
handrail,
so
you
know
working
with
the
conditions
as
we
have
them
right
now.
We
believe
that
there's
a
little
there's
a
portion
of
that
ramp.
M
M
So
we
will,
you
know,
continue
to
evaluate
and
of
course
we
would
want
to
do
the
least
oppressive
thing
we
can,
and
so,
if
we
can
reduce
that,
of
course,
we
will
and
we'll
just
continue
to
investigate
it,
but
it
is
possible
that,
as
we
approach
that
or
you
know,
move
beyond
that,
30
inch
differential
that
we
would
need
to
employ
a
guard
rail
as
well.
E
D
The
cables
to
me
look
super
modern,
so
I
like
just
kind
of
the
steel
slats,
the
best.
B
Actually,
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
I
think
that
the
less
obtrusive
visual
one
is
definitely
better.
I
like
the
horizontality,
especially
of
the
kind
of
slats,
especially
that
flat
one
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
more
contemporary,
but
it
kind
of
disappears
a
little
bit.
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
concern
with
the
cables
just
in
terms
of
Maintenance
and
and
how
that
lives.
B
Honestly,
I'm
not
really
drawn
to
the
cables
and
exterior
application.
Personally,
but
again,
I
like
the
horizontality.
E
B
The
drc's
already
gone
over
the
canopies
as
well
and
just
for
information
I,
do
like
the
Contemporary
one
I,
don't
think
it
looks
overly
contemporary
I
think
it
really
does
help
to
emphasize
that
opening.
That's
there
and
I
would
almost
wonder
if,
on
the
second
application,
it
would
make
sense
to
evaluate
lowering
that
canopy
a
little
bit.
It
kind
of
catches
right
on
top
of
that
Arch,
it's
kind
of
an
awkward
moment
there.
B
N
B
Entrance,
it's
really
awkward
right
there,
it
just
okay,
something
feels
wrong
about
that.
B
Right
I
mean
just
to
make
it
horizontal
and
just
kind
of
let
it
be
what
it
wants
to
be
and
again
I.
Think
in
that
application,
the
first
slightly
reclining
it
more
contemporary,
but
I
think
it
also
just
kind
of
disappears.
It
doesn't
make
a
new
statement
and
I
think
that's
okay
for
historic
building.
E
H
The
Contemporary
canopy,
and
even
on
the
one,
with
the
more
monolithic
and
decorative
trim,
I,
wonder
too.
If
that
one,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
lower
it
into
integrate
it
somehow
within
it
to
where
it
doesn't
track
from
the
trim.
But
it
also
doesn't
feel
like
it's
12
feet
off
the
ground
right
and
then
for
the
I.
Prefer.
H
The
cable
I
think
that
it
will
disappear
and
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
the
hand
drilling
guardrail
can
be
designed
to
have
the
same
language
in
the
same
style
to
where,
when
you
only
need
the
handrail,
you
have
that
metal
post
and
it
reads
the
same
and
then
for
the
guardrail,
introducing
the
the
cable
to
to
meet
the
requirements,
but
also.
F
E
F
Could
we
call
on
you
real
quick
to
get
a
little
more
information
about
the
distance
between
the
canopy
and
on
the
rear
elevations
between
the
canopy
and
the
that
kind
of
Archway
currently,
and
what
your
thoughts
are?
If
you
have
any
additional
thoughts
on
the
ability
to
lower.
J
Yeah,
the
design
intention
was
to
place
the
canopy
above
that
stream
to
respect
it.
Actually,
we
didn't
want
to
lower
it
in
a
way
that
we
do
not
see
that
stream
around
it.
You
know
that
that
was
we
wanted
to
have
both
of
them
to
coexist
and
not
to
you
know,
hide
one,
the
other
you
see,
that
was
the
intention,
and
since
these
these
are
beautiful,
decorative
elements
around
the
door,
so
I
I
mean
again
we
as
Architects.
J
We
thought
that
it's
better
to,
even
though
you're
right
there
cannot
be
like
12
feet
above
the
door
above
the
ground
is
somehow
particular.
However,
the
main
intention
was
to
respect
that
decorative
element.
If
it
makes
sense.
F
And
I
think
on
the
front
entrances
where
the
canopies
it
makes
sense
to
have
it
where
it's
located.
Now,
on
the
back
kind
of
thinking
about
these
newer
elements
that
we're
introducing
to
the
rear
of
the
buildings
and
the
canopies,
we
can
study
the
ability
to
lower
it.
Like
you,
like,
you
said,
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
what.
H
For
the
doors
I
think
on
the
front
entry,
I
think
I'm,
looking
at
the
last
page
in
the
PowerPoint
that
was
uploaded
where
you
do
have
that
decorative
entrance
trim
and
the
double
doors
is
the
intent
to
go
back
with
something
similar.
There
are.
F
E
H
O
No
I
believe
those
were
just
repairing
repainting.
The
front
existing
front
doors
is
that
correct.
J
Correct,
yes,
I
mean
the
the
front
door
to
be.
I
The
fronters
will
be
will
be
repaired,
oh
repaired,
okay,
yes,
the
the
only
thing
that
might
happen
is
is
a
new
hardware
to
match
the
existing
Hardware,
because
some
of
the
hardware
and
plates
have
been,
you
know,
used
quite
a
bit
throughout
the
years,
so
they
might
be
in
need
to
change
those,
but
we
want
to
keep
those
doors
exactly
the
way
they
are
same
same
for
the
trims.
H
B
Great,
can
you
just
clarify
something
for
me,
because
everything's
kind
of
blurring
together
section
three,
we
approved
the
canopy,
that's
on
the
right,
correct.
F
The
option
to
the
more
traditional
canopy
and
but
we
thought
we
would
still
present
both
on
this
one's
new
new
sections
kind
of
new
scope
of
work
on
the
back.
B
B
If
that
would
be
they
both
look
like
they
are
compatible,
but
I
also
could
see.
Maybe
could
others
could
see
it
as
not
so
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
your
guys
input
too.
I
think
that
it
make.
It
would
be
fun
if
it's
consistent
between
that
section,
I
mean
the
other
section.
It's
across
the
road,
it's
a
different
neighborhood
in
a
way,
but
if
it
were
built
this
way
with
one
on
the
left
and.
P
E
B
O
F
F
That
one,
so
you
can
see
where
phase
one
and
phase
two
are,
but
then
you
also
have
mean
that
at
some
point
more
probably
come
in
and
be
renovated
as
well.
Those
are
not
in
an
area
that's
destined
for
redevelopment,
so
it
might
be
to
Lauren's
point.
It
might
be
worth
conversation
about
which
types
you
prefer
kind
of
maybe
south
of
George
Mason
Drive
versus
the
ones
that
we're
in
phase
one
would
probably
want
to
keep
some
level
of
consistency
in
that
area.
F
H
It
just
from
a
building
layout
under
understanding,
can
a
resident
go
in
the
front
or
the
back
for.
E
O
O
H
F
Mean
the
stairwell
yeah
we'll
be
creating
those
four
new
back
entrances
into
those
units.
Specifically,
they
would
go.
Those
would
be
entrances
directly
into
those
two
bedroom
units
and
not
into
the
corridor.
If
that
makes
sense,.
H
B
Different
types
on
one
building
or
two
different
types
on
two
different
clusters.
So
right
now
we
have
the
more
traditional,
which
is
the
one
on
the
right
that
we're
seeing
the
screen.
That's
for
section
three
and
that's
the
only
session,
and
then
this
is
now
a
different
section.
Section
four
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
we
should
have
one
that
is
on
the
front
and
the
back,
because
those
are
the
same.
But
if
that's
the
more
traditional
or
the
more
contemporary,
it
is
what
it
is
and
I
think
that's.
B
A
Yeah
and
also
the
way
they
were
built
to
each
section
is
similar,
but
a
little
bit
different
too.
Is
it
they'll
kind
of
vary
a
little
bit
here
and
there
anyway,
so
I
think
it
kind
of
makes
sense.
If
maybe
South
you
know,
South
Detroit
Mason
was
like
this
type,
and
then
maybe
this
corner
over
here,
but
I
wouldn't
mix
and
match
on
the
same
building,
though
I
would
agree,
but
I
think
the
sections
can
differ
because
they
differ
now.
B
B
B
E
B
B
E
H
H
Have
oh
okay,
the
site
plan.
H
O
B
Yeah
so
first
phase
three
and
then
the
project
area
is
section
four,
so
section
three
has
the
more
traditional
canopies.
There's
no
and
then
section
four
is
the
one
that
we're
like
which
one
modern
and
traditional.
E
B
F
H
E
D
O
B
F
On
that
internally,
about
intentionality,
as
we
move
forward
with
future
phases,
yeah
think
about
that
as
well,
and
we'll
continue
to
present
both
options.
And
would
you
would
you
like
to
present
both
railing
options
again
in
October?
If
we.
B
F
Have
folks
from
our
team
opine,
but
my
understanding
is
that
on
the
front
where
we
are
replacing
those
vents
with
a
brick,
we
will
be
using
Salvage
other
areas
of
the
building
or
Sarah.
Someone
wants
to
confirm
that
that'd
be
good.
G
Sure
I
think
in
the
earlier
section
we
have
limited
demolition
which
allows
us
to
salvage
some
of
the
brick
for
use
in
that
repair
or
in
those
repairs.
G
F
B
B
B
Q
If
you'd
like
I
can
just
share
my
screen,
oh
never
mind
there,
it
is,
does
that
work.
This
is
perfect.
Yeah,
I,
I
think
it'll
look
can
I
like
take
control,
because
I
think
I
want
to
like
quickly
just
talk
about
some
things
that
sure
and
like
be
able
to
point
them
out
on
my
screen.
Yeah.
Q
I
just
requested
control,
so
if
you
allow,
you
should
be
able
to
see
my
thing,
my
like
Mouse
scrolling
across
the
screen.
Wonderful
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
all
so
much
as
was
mentioned,
my
name
is
Max
Ebert
I
am
a
associate
planner
with
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
I've,
been
here
several
times
to
talk
about
this
sign
and
we're
really
excited
about
the
progress
that
we've
seen
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
are
today,
though,
I
do
think
that
there
are
some
Minor
Adjustments
that
still
need
to
be
made.
Q
So,
last
time
we
were
here,
we
got
a
lot
of
feedback
on
the
inset
map
on
the
kind
of
confusing
nature
of
some
of
the
like
the
legend
in
the
bottom
here
and
in
some
of
the
language
we
heard
some
feedback
between
community
members
and
and
and
folks
who
are
on
the
board
and
and
that,
along
with
some
of
the
Insight
we've
gotten
from
our
own
DPR
leadership,
has
kind
of
led
us
to
where
we
are
today.
Q
The
primary
comments
we've
been
getting
from
DPR
leadership.
Is
that
it's
it's
a
lot.
Q
It's
a
lot
of
information
and
and
our
kind
of
like
kind
of
like
guiding
North
Star
for
interpretive
signs
in
in
our
DPR
Parks
is
to
is
that
less
is
more
and,
and
we
want
folks
to
be
able
to
kind
of
look
at
it,
absorb
the
information
and
and
and
move
on
and
enjoy
the
park
and
let
someone
else
who's
curious,
come
by
and
learn
as
well
and
I
think
we
have
balanced
out
a
little
bit.
Q
I,
don't
want
to
read
straight
through
it.
I've
received
some
some
comments
from
Serena
on
the
language
and
and
there's
some
edits
that
I
think
we
want
to
make
as
well,
but
I
do
want
to
kind
of
point
out
a
couple
things
that
graphically
that
I
think
we
we
will
be
changing
and
I'm
curious
if
they
align
with
folks
on
the
board's
thoughts
on
this
too.
Q
The
first
one
being
is
that
I
don't
think
that
it's
necessary
to
add
or
bold
some
of
these
additional
stations
along
this
route
here
I
think
it
would
be
totally
fine
to
just
leave
Arlington
Junction
Station,
as
the
one
highlighted
and
pointing
to
it
here,
I
think
the
all
of
the
the
stations
on
here
it
kind
of.
Q
Q
Something
else
that
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
and
and
I'm
really
we're
really
open
to
hearing
hearing
your
thoughts
on
this
is
that
we
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
on
just
how
kind
of
instrumental
this
site
was
to
like
the
historic
nature
of
the
trolley
line
and
the
canal
and
there's
also
other
local
history.
Q
That
was
really
important
to
the
site
as
well,
and
so
one
thing
that
we're
exploring-
and
we
chatted
with
Serena
about
this,
but
I'm
curious
to
hear
your
feedback
is
maybe
including
something
like
a
QR
code
where
it
would
lead
to
the
project
page
that
already
exists
for
Arlington
Junction
Park,
where
it
can
kind
of
expand
more
on
the
history,
and
that
way
we
can
really
simplify
the
language
on
the
sign
and
the
folks
are
really
interested
in
learning
more.
Q
They
can
scan
that
code
and
and
move
and
it'll
take
them
to
the
page
on
their
phone.
Some
feedback
that
we
got
from
Serena
already
on
this
is
that
we
just
don't
know
how
long
QR
codes
are
going
to
be
viable,
and
so
would
that
be
something
that
we
would
put
on.
The
sign
and
then
it
would
be
completely
obsolete
within
a
number
of
years.
I,
don't
really
know
the
time
frame
for
that.
Q
That
way,
it
would
be
something
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
get
like
more
precisely
printed,
but
we
have
signposts
like
like
within,
like
the
inventory
of
the
p
r
parks
and
Natural
Resources
Division
that
can
just
be
swapped
out
if,
if
it
becomes
obsolete
or
weathering
happens,
and
we
need
to
get
it
replaced
or
something
like
that.
Q
So
with
that
said
open
to
hearing
some
of
your
thoughts
on
this
and
really
excited
to
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
P
K
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
it's
interesting,
I,
just
I
heard
that
Mr
planning
to
to
change
that
map
so
but
I'll
move
into
some
of
the
things
that
the
the
map
of
the
the
market
is
generally
satisfactory.
However,
there
are
a
few
some
errors
that
needs
to
correct,
particularly
on
the
map.
The
map
has
type
of
growing
up
for
areas
from
Jackson,
City
and
and
New
Alexandria
are
misspelled.
K
E
Q
Dr
Byrne
has
sent
a
lot
of
these
comments
to
me
and
I've
been
forwarding
them
to
Serena
Nicole
I.
Don't
I,
don't
mind,
forwarding
them
to
you
as
well.
If,
if
he's
not
able
to
reconnect.
B
One
well,
if
he
comes
back
on,
we
could
give
him
his
time
back.
A
H
All
right,
like
the
idea
of
the
QR
code
on
the
side
post
instead
of
on
the
actual
sign,
I,
think
it
gives
the
ability,
the
I
don't
know.
I,
guess
the
longevity
of
the
black
to
not
be
to
not
become
outdated.
B
O
B
Q
This
is
kind
of
tangential,
but
I
have
like
a
a
dream
of
doing
like
a
Geocaching
in
perks
and
I
think
they
could
be
repurposed
for
that
too,
in
some
way
shape
or
form,
but
that's
mostly
me
just
amusing
on
something
that
I
think
would
be
a
lot
of
fun,
but
not
related
to
this.
Let's.
C
Yeah
I
provide
some
feedback
last
month
and
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I
think
this
looks
great
I
like
that
you're
considering
unfolding
those
stations.
C
Has
there
been
any
consideration
at
all
of
just
maybe
getting
rid
of
them
the
names
and
just
having
Arlington
Junction
there?
So
you
don't
have
those
stations
out
there
or
have
people
just
prefer
to
have
the
station
names
there
for
reference
yeah.
Q
That's
that
is
my
preference
is
to
just
remove
them
all,
except
for
Arlington,
Junction,
Station
and
and
McCall
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
pronouncing
your
name
correctly.
It's.
E
Q
Only
two
and
a
half
feet
by
one
in
three
quarters
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
station
names
on
there.
Like
you
can
see
Penrose
you
can
see
knocked.
You
can
see
Arlington
Junction
on
there
already
it
doesn't
need
to
get
bolded
it
does.
It
makes
it
more
hectic
and
a
little
bit
redundant.
Yeah.
K
C
Least,
for
me,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
relatively
minor
thing,
so
I'm
glad
you've
already
gone
there.
I
guess
the
other
question
I
had
too
and
it
just
might
be
impossible
to
do
but
visually.
You
know
you're
reading
the
left
to
the
right
there,
and
then
you
see
the.
K
C
There
have
been
any
some
any
attempts
to
kind
of
move
things
around
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
have
all
the
text
kind
of
align
in
one
area
because
what's
happening
for
me,
is
this
I'm
reading
from
left
down
words,
I'm
getting
I,
don't
say,
distracted
because
distract
is
the
wrong
thing.
This
is
a
great
flag
but
I'm
getting
kind
of
confused
when
I
want.
E
Q
Definitely
think
there's
there's
potential
for
rearranging.
Maybe
we
could
do
the
image
of
the
of
the
station
itself
kind
of
like
top
Center,
as
opposed
to
in
the
top
right
corner,
and
then
shift
the
map
a
little
bit
to
the
to
the
right
and
then
be
able
to
have
the
that
final
paragraph
adjacent
to
the
to
the
first
three
paragraphs.
I
think
there
is
definitely
room
for
for
movement
and
that's
something
that
we
can
take
to
the
our
design.
Firm.
Q
C
And
yeah-
and
it's
a
it's
a
small
thing,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
white
space
in
between
that
image
at
the
top
and
then
the
paragraph
at
the
bottom.
It
really
does
create
kind
of
this
strange,
visual
tension
for
me
and
and
I
realized
this
bit
Beyond
kind
of
scope
or
anything
else,
but
that's
wonderful
that
you
guys
have
already
thought
of
it.
But
I
I
think
this
looks
great
from
last
month.
I
I
know
you
guys
have
put
a
lot
of
hard
work
into
it.
So
thank
you.
Q
H
I
E
B
B
D
Q
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
one
of
them,
one
of
them,
would
be
the
Arlington
Junction
Station,
which
is
what
the
electronic
station
was,
and
one
of
them
is
like
roughly
where
the
park
is
on
that
Canal
map,
so
they
they're
slightly
different
I.
Think
one
like
if
it
existed
in
its
same
space
today,
it
would
be
across
the
street
from
each
other,
but
I
think
that
I
think
that
I
think
that's
fine.
To
still
do
that,
I
mean
they're
close
enough
and
we're
roughly
pointing
to
the
same
location.
So.
B
Q
It
that's
that's
one
of
the
language
that
we're
gonna
be.
B
P
P
So,
looking
at
that,
like
Center
map
portion
of
the
marker,
he
wanted
Mount
Pleasant
to
be
struck
from
the
map
and
he
noted
that
Jason
City
should
be
Jackson
City.
He
noted
that
Alexandria
was
spelled
incorrectly
and
he
wanted
correct
to
the
map
of
the
route
of
the
location
of
the
Washington
terminal
marked.
P
He
wanted
a
new
marking
for
the
Washington
terminal,
so
like
DC
like
right
in
the
center
there
and
then,
as
I
already
noted,
the
names
of
Jackson
City
at
New,
Alexandria
stations
corrected
and
then
Mount
Pleasant
station
removed,
did
I
get
everything
that
you
understood
from
his
comments.
Max
yeah.
Q
Just
like
out
of
curiosity,
do
you
does
the
board
have
a
preference
to
maybe
point
out
some
locations
or
to
just
point
out
Arlington
Junction
Station
on
the
interior
map,
foreign.
H
Q
Q
D
K
I
A
A
Q
C
Last
time,
well,
that
was
actually
the
point
that
Amari
just
made
I.
Think
if
you
left
the
I
agree,
you're
leaving
the
rail
stops
in
there
I
think
would
be
really
really
good,
but
maybe
removing
the
rail
station
names
except
for
Arlington
Junction.
C
Max
I
I
know
you
mentioned
this
maybe
last
month,
but
that
Alexandria
Canal
below
that's
part
of
the
image
right.
The
the
blue
text-
that's
yeah,.
A
A
I
think
well,
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
I
think
they're
definitely
fixes
the
baby
made
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
good
recommendations,
so
I
think
perhaps
we'll
make
a
motion
and
then
we'll
make
a
motion
to
to
approve,
perhaps
and
then
well
we'll
go
from
there,
because
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
like
things
need
to
be
changed,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
it's
just
just.
If
it's
there.
Q
Q
We
provide
like
a
monthly
report
out
on
on
stuff
on
projects
that
are
going
on
in
the
county,
but
our
Parks
related
I
would
be
happy
to
kind
of
like
stay
in
touch
with
you
guys
and
make
sure
that,
like
the
final
draft
and
of
that
ends,
up
going
to
like
to
get
printed
is
is
seen
by
the
board
and
make
sure
that
we're
incorporating
your
recommendations
so
there's
some
sort
of
I
don't
know
feedback.
It's
not
just
you're
voting
on
this
in
any
you're.
Trusting
it
implicitly,
we.
B
B
E
A
A
E
A
M
C
C
E
B
Confirming
Miss
Meyer,
yes,
Miss
Myers,
yes,
Mr
wenchel,.
L
Q
E
B
It
was
approved
by
the
accounting
board
in
2021,
and
it
involves
a
very
large
new
building
and
it
also
involves
three
sorry,
two
historic
facades,
the
first
battle
of
savings
and
loan
building,
which
a
lot
of
people
like
to
reference
is
the
costy
building,
and
that
is
getting
facade
preservation
and
is
put
back
up
right
now
and
then
also
the
another
building,
the
investment
building,
which
that
is
also
a
historic
facade
and
it
has
been
moved
from
its
more
central
location
to
the
corner
of
15th
and
Courthouse.
B
That's
right
so,
and
part
of
the
site
plan.
One
of
the
site
plan
conditions
is
that
the
applicant
needed
to
do
educational
interpretation
signage.
We
didn't
really
give
them
any
other
direction
than
that.
So
Kim
and
I
have
been
kind
of
trying
to
come
up
with
something
and
so
Kim
I
will.
Let
you
take
it
away
and
go
ahead
and
go
over
what
we're
looking
at,
which
is
the
text
for
three
signs.
N
Right,
we
landed
on
three
signs,
one
for
the
investment
building,
one
for
the
First
Federal,
Savings
and
Loan,
and
then
one
for
the
history
of
lawyers
row
which
actually
a
in
this
area
and
now
it's
kind
of
gone.
So
it's
honoring
what
the
land
was
prior
to
all
this
new
construction.
N
So
this
is
the
First
Federal
Savings
loan
and
I
won't
read
it
word
for
word,
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
had
a
chance
to
read
it
before,
but
we
really
wanted
to
address
kind
of
you
know
the
international
style
commercial
buildings
and
how
they
tied
with
Arlington
and
the
growing
needs
of
the
the
County
Post
World
War
II,
the
design
aspects
that
are
stylistic
of
the
international
commercial
style.
N
And
then
we
also
wanted
to
address
that
when
it
was
listed
in
the
HRI
why
it
was
listed
and
then
the
last
paragraph
we
go
on
to
discuss.
You
know
how
we
decided
to
restore
it
to
its
original.
Look,
not
how
it
was
altered
to
be
there's
a
third
floor
added
and
an
update
added
to
the
East,
which
kind
of
threw
off
the
balance
of
the
building.
So
we
brought
it
back
to
its
own
design
and
just
kind
of
addresses
things
like
that.
N
We
went
through
many
many
a
draft,
so
we're
happy
to
take
any
comments
or
questions.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
through,
could.
N
This
one's
a
little
bit
shorter,
but
we
did
want
to
highlight
it's
also:
International
style,
commercial
building.
It's
actually
a
pretty
elegant,
International
style
building
if
I
do
say
so
myself.
I
was
all
clean
and
talk
about
the
developer
that
developed
it.
Who
was
a
big
developer
here
in
Arlington?
His
name
is
very
recentable,
and
then
we
discussed
that
it
was
a
private
building
for
a
very
short
amount
of
time,
and
then
the
county
actually
bought
it
and
it
housed
County
Services
for
a
number
of.
D
N
After
that,
and
then
we
also
go
on
to
talk
about
why
it
was
listed
in
the
HRI
and
why
it
was
moved
to
the
corner
to
accommodate
once
again
the
growing
community
of
Arlington
County
and
the
need
for
housing
and
in
order
to
accommodate
both
historic
and
new
housing.
We
had
to
to
make
room
on
the
Block.
So
we
talked
about
how
the
pieces
were
taken
down
and
pulled
back
up,
but
just
in
a
slightly
different
location.
B
C
B
B
N
N
Yep
and
so
the
lawyer's
row
really
kind
of
worked
a
couple
times
when
we
were
writing
about
it
and
Lauren
wanted
to
rightly
so,
discuss
the
first.
N
Courthouse
here
in
Arlington,
why
there
was
a
courthouse
in
Arlington
when
it
broke
off
from
Alexandria
and
Arlington
County
had
its
own
CEO
of
court.
So
we
kind
of
addressed
the
history
of
that
building.
It
had
a
big
evolution
with
a
number
of
additions
on
it.
So
we
highlight
the
growth
and
expansion
of
the
courthouse
and
that's
really
where
lawyersborough
came
from.
It
was
a
a
lower
scale
block
that
held
a
lot
of
the
offices
of
bailiffs
of
the
lawyers
of
all
the
people
that
worked
in
the
courthouse
around
that
building.
N
And
then
we
talk
about
how
the
current
Courthouse
was
put
in,
and
lawyers
wrote
kind
of
slowly
faded
away,
but
we
do
and
we
have
the
images
showing
the
the
buildings
themselves.
We
do
identify
the
buildings
that
were
on
the
Warriors
Road
and
the
dates
that
they
were
constructed.
B
That's
that's
good,
I.
Think
again,
Kim
and
I
were
really
trying
to
appreciate
all
the
work
that
they
put
into
this
and
they've.
Given
me
a
bit
of
a
preview
of
some
of
the
photographs
that
we
have
so,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
see
how
the
direction
is
going.
I
know
that,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
location
of
where
you
think
these
might
be
or
how
this
might
be
presented?
Are
you
also
wanting
feedback
on
that.
N
Well,
we
we
would
love
feedback
on
all
of
it
if
they
think
there
are
aspects
of
the
history
that
we're
just
not
addressing
or
we
want
it
to
flesh
out
a
little
bit
more
or,
if
you
think
it's
redundant.
Do
you
love
input
on
that
in
terms
of
the
layout
for
the
courthouse
itself?
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
a
very
high-res
photo
of
the
historic
Courthouse
we
We
are
continuing
to
look.
N
We
have
one
of
it
in
later
years
with
all
of
its
editions.
It's
not
a
great
photograph,
but
we
continue
to
look
for
an
excellent
one
of
the
original
Courthouse.
We.
E
N
A
Sanborn
map
showing
all
the
additions
and
the
original
layout,
but
it's
it's
one
of
those
same
horror,
masks
where
they
taped
over
and
taped
over
and
taped
over.
So
it's
not
the
prettiest
it's
in
high-res,
but
it's
not
a
pretty
map.
N
So
you
know
any
input
into
images
that
you
guys
have
seen
or
know
where
to
look
I've
had
but
happy
to
have
have
that
in
terms
of
the
lawyer's
role
building
specifically
I
think
we
want
to
do
an
aerial
or
a
map
with
the
buildings
numbered
and
then
have,
if
not
all
of
them,
because
I
think
there
are
five
or
six,
maybe
images
of
just
the
most
architecturally
interesting
they're.
B
The
other
two,
so
there
is
a
courthouse,
the
courthouse,
the
courthouse
sector
plan.
Thank
you.
So
that
was
done
in
2015,
and
that
gave
some
Direction
to
do
a
documented
history
of
lawyers
row
as
well
as
the
investment
building
and
First
Federal,
Savings
and
Loan
building,
and
so
from
there
that
kind
of
directed
how
the
site
plan
was
supposed
to
kind
of
approach.
B
N
D
N
E
B
B
B
E
B
People
share
that
with
you,
okay,
so
you're,
probably
coming
back.
Oh.
N
But
for
the
layouts
for
the
other,
two
building
for
the
First
Federal
Savings.
I
N
Think
it
will
be
important
to
have
for
the
other
building,
showing
an
image
showing
the
original
location,
or
maybe
a
Sanborn
map
showing
spiritual
location
and
then
highlighting
where
it
was
moved
to.
So
someone
can
visualize,
oh
yeah,
it
used
to
be
in
the
middle
of
the
blog
Corner
and
then
I
was
also
thinking
of
we
have
drawings
from
Calvert
Stone,
which
is
the
Mason
that
took
down
all
of
the
lime
Stones.
We
use
them
and
then
put
them
back
in
the
exact
place.
N
K
B
B
N
N
You'll
wear
that
because
that's
going
to
be
like
more
pedestrian,
friendly
and
wider
sidewalk
according
to
the
county
plan,
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
better
location
for
that
time,
because
you
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
want
to
read
it
and
walk
around
the
corner
to
see
it.
So
two
would
be
closer
together.
But
if
there
are
suggestions
of
a
different
place
for
lawyers
row
on
that
block.
A
E
E
N
There,
okay,
we'll
be
able
to
kind
of
visualize
why
it
was
moved.
B
As
well
so
yes,
there
was
purpose
to
competing
in
a
different
way,
some
of
the
preservation
information
and
how
it
got
reinstalled,
because
again
we
weren't
I
wasn't
sure
exactly
where
they
were
going
to
be
in
relation
to
each
other.
So
if
someone
has
only
seen
the
First
Federal
Savings
alone
and
they
don't
see
the
other
ones,
they
at
least
get
the
my
selfish
one
to
talk
about
the
level
of
energy.
We
had
to
put
into
figuring
out
the
preservation
approach
of
that
historic
facade.
So.
D
L
B
Been
one
seen
one
of
our
historic
markers
to
take
a
new
leap
into
the
way
people
interpret
the
information,
and
that
is
the
idea
of
doing
some
type
of
acrylic
sign
that
is
outlining
what
was
there
before,
so
that
people
can
see
through
it
to
the
new
building
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
something
that
could
be
incorporated
with
this.
If
you
don't
know
it
would
be
a
level,
it
would
be
a
whole
different
direction.
M
B
Maybe
it
could
be
an
interesting
vantage
point
for
people
when
they're
out
there,
because
I'm
always
concerned
that
people
are
going
to
see
the
text
and
they're
gonna
be
like,
even
though
it's
only
250
words
or
so
they're
gonna
walk
past
it.
But
if
you
have
something
right
there,
where
they
can
just
stop
and
look
it's
it's
an
interesting
way
to
kind
of
get
it.
We
don't
have
that
yet.
P
N
E
N
When
I
think
the
other
investment
building
The
Lawyers
Road
would
be
hard
to
do
that,
but
for
Federal
Savings
alone.
It
certainly
so.
E
B
P
B
B
E
B
H
B
Try
to
get
there's
some
challenges
to
the
concept
so
can,
if
we
could
kind
of
explore,
I
would
like
to
see
if
it's
an
option,
and
maybe
we
can
come
back
and
see
what
we
found
out
I'm
concerned
that
we
might
kill
a
lot
of
ants.
You
know
if
it's,
if
it's
my
glass,
I'm
sure,
there's
ways
to
talk
about
that,
but
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
explore
the
idea
if
your.
N
N
B
B
R
Introduce
yourselves
sure
so
Ryan
is
online,
he
hasn't
turned
on
the
camera
yet,
but
my
name
is
Natasha
Alfonso
Ahmed
I'm,
the
project
manager
for
the
Langston,
Boulevard
planning,
study
and
Ryan
is
with
acon
there.
He
is,
and
he
is
the
planning.
B
R
I
R
There
was
that's
for
sure,
I'm
ready,
if
okay
great
so
tonight,
what
we're
gonna
do
is
I'm
gonna,
give
a
quick
overview
of
sort
of
the
policies
and
the
recommendations
for
the
the
general
plan,
which
really
applies
to
the
whole
area
and
covers
nine
key
planning
elements,
and
then
Lauren
is
going
to
take
over
the
second
half
of
the
presentation
and
she's
going
to
explain.
More
specifically,
you
know
what
went
into
the
historic
and
cultural
resources
survey,
the
policies
related
to
Historic
and
cultural
resources
and
some
of
the
recommendations.
R
You
know
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
then
Ryan
is
going
to
be
here
again
to
provide
any
information
or
regarding
the
survey
or
anything
related
to
the
planning
study.
So
sorry,
I
just
have
to
move
a
few
things
around
there.
We
go
all
right.
So
can
you
all
see
the
slides?
Okay?
Yes,
awesome
all
right!
R
So
if
I
can
advance
there,
we
go
so,
as
most
of
you
are
probably
already
aware,
staff
is
in
the
process
of
developing
and
ultimately
adopting
a
comprehensive,
high-level
vision
for
the
corridor
that
will
guide
both
public
and
private
investment
long
term.
We
are
currently
completing
phase
three
of
a
multi-phase
planning
study
which
began
in
2019,
based
on
extensive
analysis
and
Community
feedback.
We
recently
developed
the
draft
plan
that
was
released
in
June.
R
This
is
the
the
draft
prior
to
the
RTA
draft,
so
we're
getting
ready
to
prepare
an
RTA
draft
at
the
end
of
September
for
October,
PC
and
and
County
Board
hearing.
So
this
is
really
sort
of
a
preliminary
draft
that
we
released
in
June,
and
that
includes
new
policies
to
support
the
goals
and
the
vision
for
a
green
Main
Street,
as
well
as
preliminary
information
on
implementation.
R
There
we
go
okay,
so
the
plan's
vision
and
recommendations
for
corridor
white
Elements,
which
are
specifically
for
transportation
and
open
space,
storm
water,
public
spaces
and
all
that
apply
to
the
complete
planning
area.
But
the
recommendations
are
really
focused
primarily
on
the
core
study
area
for
neighborhoods,
two,
three
and
five,
which
are
outlined
in
pink
on
this
map
and
includes
areas
that
are
located
on
or
near
Langston
Boulevard
areas
designated
for
commercial
or
multi-family
uses
on
the
on
the
County's
General
land
use
plan
in
very
limited
locations.
R
It
includes
areas
that
have
single
detached
homes,
neighborhood
areas,
one
and
four,
which
are
East
Falls
Church
in
Cherrydale
respectively.
They
have
adopted
plans
and
policies
that
will
continue
to
apply
in
those
areas.
R
All
right,
so
the
plans,
policies
and
recommendations
are
centered
around
sustainability,
environmental
resilience
and
Equity
by
applying
a
sustainable
and
Equitable
approach
to
land
uses
by
leveraging
proximity
to
Transit
and
existing
activity,
centers
to
reduce
travel
times
and
carbon
emissions,
and
by
increasing
housing,
Supply
and
meeting
the
needs
of
diverse
residents
and
household
types
along
the
corridor.
R
R
The
core
study
area
is
primarily
characterized
by
low-rise
commercial
land
uses,
surface
parking,
lots
and
pockets
of
multi-family
Residential
Properties
surrounding
the
corridor
are
lower
density,
residential
neighborhoods,
which
comprise
approximately
72
percent
of
the
planning
area.
The
commercial
areas
have
extensive
impervious
surfaces
and
aging
buildings
that
are
certainly
not
energy,
efficient
and
other
than
in
Cherrydale
and
East
Falls
Church.
The
corridor
for
the
most
part
lacks
the
mixed
use.
Development
that
supports
this
walkable
Main
Street,
environment
and
Green
Street
environment
foreign.
R
So
the
current
housing
mix
in
the
planning
area
provides
very
little
opportunities
for
lower
or
middle
income.
Households
and,
as
we
know,
the
County's
population
overall
is
is
less
racially
diverse,
younger
and
more
affluent
than
the
larger
sort
of
Metropolitan
region.
The
corridor
itself
also
has
very
low
percentages
of
residents
of
color
is
more
affluent
but
slightly
older
than
the
county
as
a
whole
So.
R
The
Virginia
Department
of
historic
resources
has
determined
that
two
historic
districts
are
potentially
eligible
for
listing
in
both
of
these
and
those
include
the
leeway,
overly
and
ultimate
and
historic
districts.
Additionally,
there
are
seven
properties
within
the
planning
area
that
are
also
designated
as
local
historic
districts.
R
So,
during
phase
one
of
the
planning
study,
Acom
conducted
a
cultural
resources
survey
to
assist
the
county
in
identifying
and
recognizing
resources
along
the
corridor
that
increase
public
understanding
and
appreciation
for
the
corridors,
architectural
and
and
cultural
history.
This
survey
evaluated
really
non-traditional
resource
types
like
gathering
places,
objects,
significant
stories,
events,
people
and
even
cultural
activities
and
public
art
in
the
planning
areas
and,
like
I,
said
Lauren
will
provide
more
information
on
the
findings
and
the
recommendations
from
that
analysis
in
in
the
second
part
of
this.
R
Apologies:
this
is
just
running
really
quickly:
okay,
so
to
achieve
the
vision
for
a
green
Main
Street
that
links
neighborhoods
to
businesses,
mixers
activity,
notes,
housing
and
public
spaces,
we
need
a
new
land
use
framework
and
what
you
can
see
on
this
map
is
how
development
should
be
concentrated
in
the
mixed
use
activity
hubs
connected
by
areas
that
are
predominantly
multi-family
in
order
to
be
able
to
expand
opportunities
for
increasing
the
housing
Supply
along
the
corridor
and
therefore,
affordability,
So.
R
The
plan
proposes
four
new
activity
hubs
in
addition
to
the
East,
Falls,
Church
and
Cherrydale
ones
that
already
exist.
The
policies
on
building
form
are
aimed
at
achieving
context-sensitive
building
design
by
focusing
the
tallest
building
Heights
at
the
activity
hubs
at
Key
intersections
and
within
walking,
distance
of
transit
or
Metro.
R
It
also
does
that
by
establishing
minimum
setbacks,
other
stories
step
backs
and
and
desired,
High
transitions.
The
plan's
goal
is
to
incentivize
positive
change
in
these
core
areas
by
providing
other
choices.
Besides
pyrite
development
and,
as
we
have
indicated
in
the
past,
additional
density
and
height
is
needed
to
encourage
special
exception
development
that
helps
implement
the
vision
and
Achieve.
Many
of
the
communities,
as
well
as
the
county
community's
aspirations,
as
well
as
the
County's
goals
for
increased
housing,
Supply,
affordability,
sustainability
and
resilience
and
expanded
network
of
public
spaces.
R
So,
as
most
of
you
know,
Langston
Boulevard
is
car
Centric
with
narrow,
sidewalks,
minimal
tree
coverage,
wide
lanes
that
encourage
high
speeds
and
vehicular
traffic,
which
is
very
harsh
for
pedestrians
and
bisex
bicyclists.
It's
mostly
four
lanes
wide,
with
the
exception
of
a
six-lane
segment
east
of
I-66.
R
The
greatest
impediment
for
people
along
Langston
Boulevard
is
the
numerous
driveways
that
create
conflicts
between
all
modes
of
travel,
which
results
in
a
lot
of
crashes
and
fatalities,
and
so
the
plan
promotes
new
streetscapes
trees
and
additional
amenities
along
Langston,
Boulevard
and
other
streets
to
create
a
more
pedestrian
and
bike
friendly
environment.
R
All
right,
so
the
policies
and
transportation
focus
on
creating
complete
streets
that
accommodate
again
all
those
modes
of
travel
adequately
and
safely.
They
also
focus
on
reducing
driveways
to
minimize
those
conflict,
points,
expanding
the
street,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
networks,
enhancing
Transit
service
and
promoting
different
parking
strategies
to
support
businesses
and
and
other
uses
there
are
existing.
There
are
24
existing
public
spaces
in
the
planning
area
with
varying
types
of
amenities.
However,
they're
not
all
very
well
connected
and
many
of
the
neighborhoods
lack
the
right
types
of
public
spaces.
R
So
with
increased
growth,
there
will
be
a
need
for
additional
public
spaces
in
the
core
areas
and
the
policies
for
public
spaces,
which
are
in
alignment
with
the
psmp
focus
on
again
expanding
that
Network
of
of
spaces
through
privately
owned
public
spaces
or
pops
with
Redevelopment.
It
also
focuses
on
providing
a
variety
of
space
types
and
expanding
the
connection
to
those
spaces,
so,
through
this
plan,
There's
an
opportunity
to
achieve
an
additional
28
spaces
in
the
core,
albeit
over
time.
R
And
lastly,
on
the
stormwater
management
framework,
as
most
of
you
may
know,
approximately
70
percent
of
the
core
areas
impervious,
which
is
also
located
along
the
top
of
13
watersheds
and
that
causes
in
incredible
flooding
down
to
Downstream
neighborhoods,
which,
as
we
have
seen
in
the
past
few
years,
have
created
many
challenges
for
those
communities.
And
so,
in
addition
to
that,
only
21
of
the
core
area
has
tree
canopy
coverage
compared
to
the
county
average
of
40.
So
that
says
a
lot
about
the
existing
conditions.
R
The
plan
recommends
adding
specific
tree
canopy
targets
for
private
development,
in
addition
to
public
facilities
and
schools,
and
it
also
recommends
detention
and
Overland
relief
in
very
specific
locations
where
the
new
parks
or
classes
are
being
proposed
as
part
of
the
Redevelopment
to
be
able
to
detain
water
or
at
least
provide
a
safe
path
for
that
water
to
flow
and
minimize.
The
impact
to
Downstream
communities.
R
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
proactively
plan
for
this
change
in
coordination
with
other
policies
and
plans
that
are
county-wide,
we
have
a
better
chance
of
controlling
the
outcome
and
meeting
the
goals
of
the
county
and
and
many
of
the
communities
aspirations.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Lauren
and
have
her
explain
as
I
said,
the
cultural
resources
survey
approach.
B
B
The
first
goal
focus
is
on
finding
balance
between
county-wide
goals
and
the
goals
developed
for
Langston
Boulevard.
For
you
know,
for
example,
we
have
recommended
full
building
preservation
for
the
historic
property.
We
will
have
to
also
consider
other
county-wide
goals
if
a
property
is
being
considered
for
redevelopment
equals
two
six
and
eight
focus
on
educating
the
public
about
these
historic
and
cultural
resources
and
specifically
states
that
we
could
do
this
through
public
art
installation
interpretation.
B
Maybe
it's
doing
something
a
bit
more
out
of
the
box
like
celebrating
some
of
the
many
authors
that
we
happen
to
have
along
Langston,
Boulevard
and
then
goals.
Three
and
four
focuses
on
encouraging
the
and
are
achieving
full
preservation,
partial
preservation
or
interpretation
of
significant
historical
and
cultural
resources
to
retain
visible
reminders
of
Arlington's
culture
and
Architectural
Heritage.
B
So
the
next
slide
talks
about
throughout
the
duration
of
the
plan
likes
and
Boulevard,
study,
the
historic
preservation
program
and
planning
staff
and
our
counties.
Consultants
we've
been
identifying
and
surveying
historic
and
cultural
resources.
So
all
the
way
back
in
the
beginning,
four
years
ago,
we
identified
about
120,
Properties
or
sites.
From
that
body
information
we
received
on
those
120
properties.
The
county
made
a
determination
that
42
of
those
properties
were
the
most
significant,
should
receive
the
preservation
strategies
and
those
preservation
strategies
meant
coming
up
with
a
criteria.
E
B
B
So
listen
on
the
screen
are
the
eight
criteria
that
historic
preservation
program,
staff
reviewed
and
determine
which
preservation
strategy
is
appropriate.
We
did
that
for
the
42
properties.
However,
that
number
has
been
reduced
even
further,
because
about
10
of
those
properties
were
removed
for
consideration
because
they
were
not
inside
the
core
study
area
and
then
nine
were
removed
because
they
were
located
in
the
East
Falls
Church
in
Terraria,
which
had
their
own
policy
documents.
B
23
properties
received
preservation
strategy,
which
were
four
properties
for
full
building;
preservation
over
five
properties
for
partial
preservation,
over
eight
sites
for
on-site
interpretation
and
four
sites
for
nearby
interpretation.
So
the
next
three
slides.
If
we
go
to
slide
18,
the
next
three
sides
identify
those
historic
resources
and
the
recommended
preservation
strategies,
for
example,
area
two,
which
is
here
on
the
screen
involved,
16
properties,
and
we
recommended
Moore's,
Barber
Shop
to
be
fully
preserved
and
the
partial
preservation
we
identified.
Garden
City,
Shopping,
Center,
Callaway,
United,
Methodist
Church
and
the
judge
Thomas
Monroe
law
office.
B
The
rest
were
either
a
form
of
site,
interpretation,
nearby
interpretation
or
we
didn't
give
them
any
preservation
strategy
because
they
were
not
located
to
reduce
the
area
we
wanted
to
focus
on.
So
the
next
slide
talks
about
area
three
and
involves
seven
properties,
and
we
recommended
the
vale
Apartments
be
fully
preserved
and
for
partial
preservation.
We
said
the
Lee
Heights
shops,
Dominion,
Terrace
condos
and
the
Woodley
Arms
Apartments
and
the
rest
of
the
properties
are
for
site
or
nearby
interpretation
concerning
either
a
legacy
business
like
the
Lebanese
Taverna
or
the
sites
that
involve
the
citizens.
B
B
Other
properties
were
recommended
for
site
interpretations,
such
as
the
lion,
Village
shopping
center,
Fort,
Bennett
and
Fort
strong,
which
are
civil
war
sites,
and
the
other
properties
were
not
in
the
horse
study
area
so
slide.
21
Natasha
and
our
Communications
team
has
been
working
closely
with
the
public
about
these
recommendations
and
concerning
the
approach
to
the
historic
and
cultural
resources.
B
We've
responded
to
these
concerns,
stating
that,
although
these
are
preservation
strategies,
there
will
be
many
factors
that
will
need
to
be
considered
if
a
property
is
being
proposed
for
redevelopment.
As
we
know,
preservation
in
Arlington
County
does
not
live
in
a
bubble,
and
we
have
more
than
often
had
to
balance
the
many
different
County
goals
when
it
involves
a
Redevelopment
project
such
as
the
environmental
impacts
impacts
to
schools.
If
there's
affordable,
housing
being
provided,
are
there
important
tree
species
being
affected?
B
H
B
Okay,
so
we
have
one
speaker
for
tonight:
we
I
wasn't
sure
if
they
are
here
online
with
us,
Mr
Williams.
B
B
S
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
Zach
Williams
I'm,
a
landish
attorney
with
Law
Firm,
eventable
and
I
just
want
to
start
out
by
saying
thank
you
and
to
commend
Natasha
and
all
of
staff
and
all
the
hard
work
on
the
Langston
Boulevard
planning
process,
as
well
as
Community
leaders.
This
has
been
a
very
long
process,
a
lot
of
hard
work's
gone
into
it
and
we're
very
supportive
of
the
plan
and
look
forward
to
it.
S
Moving
forward
to
adoption
with
respect
to
the
topic
tonight,
historic
preservation,
we
do
represent
the
Lehigh
shops,
which
is
one
of
the
properties
that
was
slated
as
potentially
being
designated
as
partial
for
partial
preservation,
as
was
just
noted
in
the
plan
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
that.
There
was
already
some
mention
that
the
owners
did
not
agree
with
that.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
of
detail
and
maybe
explanation
for
why
the
shops-
most
importantly,
we
don't
believe,
are
historic.
S
According
to
assessment
records,
the
buildings
were
built
in
the
1940s
and
there's
nothing
in
the
plan
that
identifies
any
historic
characteristics
of
the
buildings.
Nor
are
we
aware
of
any
in
a
letter
to
the
board
in
response
to
the
plan.
The
Waverly
Hills
civic
association,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
site,
agreed
that
the
shops,
while
very
beloved
to
the
community
are
not
historic
for
many
architectural
perspective
further.
S
We
believe
that
it's
important
to
preserve
flexibility
in
the
plan
for
future
development
scenarios
plan
needs
to
remain
Nimble
and
able
to
adapt
to
Future
market
conditions.
Many
folks
agree
that
the
Lehigh
shops
and
surrounding
properties
are
in
Royal
remain
a
central
commercial
activity
node
on
the
corridor,
and
the
owner
is
committed
to
that
as
well.
S
However,
historic
preservation
is
not
always
the
right
tool
and-
and
it's
not
the
right
tool
here-
to
accomplish
the
goals
of
the
plan
in
this
area.
There's
other
planning
tools
that
we
could
use
to
accomplish
those
goals.
That
would
be
a
better
fit
and
provide
more
flexibility.
For
these
reasons,
we
urge
the
historic
preservation,
language
and
the
plan
be
removed
with
respect
to
the
Lehigh
shops.
That
concludes
my
remarks.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
again
to
everyone
working
on
the
plan
and
thank
you
for
considering
Arbor
marks
tonight.
B
Comments
before
we
kind
of
go
over
some
things,
I
wanted
to
also
I
circulated
with
you
all
just
now
letter
that
we
received
from
our
hlrb
member
dick
Woodruff.
He
could
not
be
here
tonight
and
he
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
saw
the
way
that
he
has
been
communicating
with
myself
and
Natasha
concerning
some
of
the
items
that
he
wanted
to
bring
up
about
the
plan
and
he
provided
us
some
a
summary
towards
this
letter.
To
Us
by
email,
so
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
generalize
it.
B
But
he
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
board
was
aware
of
the
letter
that
he
sent
to
Natasha
last
year
and
explaining
his
concerns
about
the
possible
impact
about
the
two
shopping:
centers
Garden
City,
the
Garden
City
shopping
center
and
the
Lehigh
shopping
center
and
the
possible
shade
impact
of
tall
abilities
on
the
lion,
Village
shopping
center
site
on
Maywood
and
the
neighborhoods
Community
Park
Richton
Hill
Park.
B
Regarding
the
Maywood
Shadow
issue,
he
Natasha
provided
staff
as
well
as
himself
the
shadow
studies
that
were
conducted
and
which
basically
indicated
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
minimal
impact
on
the
Maywood
homes,
but
he
felt
that
it
did
not
indicate
the
full
impact
to
the
park
and
he
believes
that
the
plan
should
indicate
that
increased
Shadow.
B
B
So
he
basically
is
suggesting
that
the
hlrb
requests
that
language
be
acknowledged
both
of
the
histories
of
the
two
shopping
centers
and
the
fact
that
they
are
vital
to
the
boulevard
communities
that
they
support
today
and
so
a
lot
of
what
that
information
is
in
the
letter
that
came
to
Natasha
on
December
in
December,
2022
Natasha.
How
are
you
envisioning
that
you
would
be
taking
you
requesting
input
from
the
hlrb
tonight
on
any
of
the
items
that
occurred
tonight?
I
mean
how
have
other
commissions
been
providing
you,
this
information,
providing
their
input
to
you.
R
We,
like
I,
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
we're
planning
to
go
to
the
PC
RTA
Hearing
in
in
October
I,
believe
it's
October,
2nd,
but
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
October,
2nd
or
October
4th
it's
either
one
of
the
two
and
Then
followed
by
the
week
later.
You
know
with
the
County
Board
RTA
hearing.
So
if
the
board,
if
your
board
could
provide
comments
in
in
written
form,
you
know
prior
to
that.
That
would
be
great
we're
submitting
our
staff
report
on
the
believe.
R
It's
going
to
be
the
28th,
which
is
just
a
few
days
prior
to
that
meeting,
and
so
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
input
so
that
we
can
actually
acknowledge
it
in
the
staff
report,
I
mean
I
am
taking
notes
tonight
and
I'll
put
down
what
I
heard.
But
if
you,
if
you
want
to
send
something
official
that
we
can
include
with
the
staff
report,
we
you
know
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
B
D
Things
full
commercial!
How?
How
strong
is
that,
so
if
something
was
designated
full
preservation,
is
it
like
the
Columbia
Pike
form-based
code,
where
we
get
to
review.
E
D
E
B
Document,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
want
to
kind
of
point
out
that,
when
this
is
seen
as
a
recommendation,
not
as
a
designation
whenever
I'm
thinking
of
designation
I'm
always
concerned
I,
don't
want
the
public
to
think
that
there
that,
once
this
plan
gets
hopefully
approved
by
the
County
Board
in
November,
that
it's
going
to
designate
property
as
a
local
historic
districts,
but
make
a
very
good
distinction.
We
only
get
preservation
treatments,
the
form-based
code,
as
well
as
the
Claritin
sector
plan.
That
was
received
a
kind
of
an
updated
option
recently.
B
So
this
will
be
a
new
approach
that
we're
taking
for
a
very
large
area
in
the
county
and
it
really
kind
of
sets
the
stage
for
what
staff's
recommendations
are.
It's
it's.
It's
kind
of
like
this
is
where
we'd
like
to
start
and
then
we'll
see
how
the
conversation
goes
depending
on
what's
being
proposed
and.
B
The
factors
that
are
going
to
be
considered
for,
let's
say,
a
Redevelopment
project
so,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
historic
property
where
we've
made
a
recommendation
for
full
building
preservation,
but
let's
say
it's
in
a
part
of
along
the
corridor
where
we
desperately
need
to
have
affordable
housing.
That's
going
to
be
weighed
in
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
balance
the
both,
and
if
can
we
even
do
that,
so
it
really
kind
of
confirms
that
we
will
have
a
place
at
the
table
when
we're
having
those
discussions.
B
It
would
also
I'm
assuming
Natasha
that
it
does
also
mean
that
the
hlrb
would
be
a
part
of
a
review,
but
it
might
again
be
similar
to
what
we've
seen
tonight.
There's
not
emotion,
there's
not
an
approval,
it's
more
of.
They
are
part
of
the
process
for
when
things
are
being
removed
and
are
made
public
and
that's
how
the
hlme
can
provide
its
input
and
usually
that
tends
to
be
being
a
part
of
the
review
process
through
the
site
plan.
B
The
site
plan
review
process,
as
well
as
letting
the
County
Board
know
what
are
the
pros.
What
are
the
cons?
Do
we
support
the
project
or
are
we
concerned
because
you
know
we're
seeing
too
many
things
taken
away
from
the
balance,
and
maybe
we
feel
historic
preservation
is
not
getting
its
fair
share
at
the
table,
so
it
kind
of
starts
the
starts
at
a
certain
point
and
then
we
figure
out
what
will
work,
but
it
always
depends
on
the
project.
B
So,
if
what's
being
recognized
for
potential
preservation,
is
the
value
that
this
commoners
provide
the
community?
Is
that
the
aspect
that
gets
preserved
or
is
it
the
entire
structure
like?
If
could
you
within
the
recommendation?
Is
it
just
to
provide
that
function
to
the
community
or
the
entire
building?
B
That's
a
really,
that's
that's
a
good
question
and
that's
where
you
kind
of
get
into
wanting
to
leave
that
flexibility,
because
if
we're
too,
if
we're
too
focused
on
exactly
what
we
need,
then
that
might
prevent
any
change
from
happening,
and
that
might
not
be
something
we
want.
So
we
wanted
to
kind
of
leave
it
open
so
that
the
developer
can
kind
of
figure
that
out,
but
usually
by
that
point,
staff
has
also
been
involved
in
trying
to
figure
out
what
could
work.
B
So
if
it's
partial
preservation,
let's
say
of
the
Garden
City
shopping
center,
let's
say
let's
say
we're
talking
about
that.
That's
a
good
question:
if
partial
preservation
is
what
that,
what
we
have
for
that
recommendation,
we'll
figure
out
to
see,
could
we
maybe
do
facade
preservation,
or
is
it
trying
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
an
affordable
way
that
local
businesses
can
utilize?
Is
that
more
of
the
importance
and
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
talk
about?
B
That
would
also
be
the
time
when
we
would
highlight
the
history
of
those
sites.
I
know
that
dick
is
wanting
to
have
more
suggestion
to
the
history
of
some
of
these
properties
in
the
plan
and
I
do
appreciate
that
and
I
always
love
seeing
history
in
it,
but
typically
in
these
documents
we
don't
tend
to
do
that.
We
don't
tend
to
give
history
write-ups
of
of
all
of
the
properties.
However,
I
will
also
say:
there's
been
many
different
variations
of
this
of
plan.
B
B
Just
wonder
if
helpful,
to
articulate
exactly
what
we
value
about
each
of
these
shopping,
whether
it's
access
for
the
local
entrepreneurs,
whether
it's
just
having
Commerce
in
that
space,
whether
it's
even
just
the
shape
and
size
of
them
or
if
it's
the
literal,
facade
preservation,
I'm,
not
exactly
clear
what
it
is
in
each
of
these.
B
B
B
Would
hope
during
the
site
plan
review
process
would
determine
determine
what
those
would
be
and
yes,
I,
think
it
that
is.
It
is
a
good
suggestion,
though,
to
kind
of
emphasize
what
is
the
importance,
but
then
again,
let's
say
we
don't
see
a
Redevelopment
project
for
10
years
and,
let's
say
let's
say
all
of
the
businesses
are
gone
and
that's
no
longer
like
there's
always
that
conundrum
that
we've
kind
of
see
where
you
have
things
like
you
know
a
Little,
Italy
or
or
a
Chinatown
or
or
those
types
of
things
we're
preserving.
B
A
Because
how
I
guess
are
there
any
sort
of
fights?
Are
there
any
synergies
or
or
even
conflicts
between
the
preservation
planning
document?
We're
going
to
review
later
compliment
like
Lexington
Boulevard?
Are
there
any
synergies
or
any
conflicts
or
I.
B
That's
a
good
one
too
work
together.
They
they're
they're
meant
to
work
together,
especially
I.
Look
at
the
approach
that
we
took
for
how
we
reviewed
all
of
the
historic
and
cultural
resources.
B
It's
really
what
I
hope
to
see
will
continue
to
do
and
get
better
at
in
the
future,
and
that's
really
what
we
spell
out
in
the
historic
cultural
resource
set,
make
things
a
bit
more
predictable,
as
well
as
I
feel
like
in
the
past.
Preservation
is
when
they
would
come
in
and
say
that
building
should
be
saved
because
it's
it
because
of
its
history
and
its
architecture
a
lot
of
times.
The
public
still
wants
to
understand.
Why
or
how
did
you
come
to
that
or
how
is
that
building?
B
It
seems
very
similar
to
that
building.
Why
is
that
one?
Okay,
keeping
this
one
isn't
I
think
sometimes
people
feel
that
it
can
be
a
bit.
You
know
like
it
depends.
It
depends
on
on
who's
recommending
it
subjection
words
of
my
strong
point
today,
and
so
this
was
our
attempt
to
really
kind
of
make
it
very
clear.
These
are.
B
Your
property
is
historic
because
of
this
and
I
feel
like
this
is
our
clearest
approach
to
try
and
do
that,
and
so
I
really
see
what
we're
seeing
in
plan
like
symbol
of
art,
to
be
what
we're
going
to
see
in
the
future
and
the
plan
that
you'll
be
hearing
about
shortly
focuses
on
that.
It's
it's
working
together,
yeah.
A
B
B
If
anybody
else
has
anything
that
they'd
like
to
point
out,
please
let
me
know
before
September
28th
have
a
discussion
to
see
if
we,
if
you
would
like
to
have
a
letter
to
I,
think
because
this
is
such
a
big
big
sector
plan
and
it's
been
going
on
for
so
long
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
the
hlr
be
to
at
least
say
a
statement.
E
D
What
you
did
and
stand
up
for
the
buildings
that
you
pointed
out
and
not
you
know
let
people
take
away
from
that,
because
I
think
we
should
remind
the
property
owners
that
this
isn't.
You
know
putting
up
a
historic
preservational
relay
on
your
property.
K
I
B
It's
and
I'm
glad
that
Mr
Williams
was
able
to
provide
a
public
comment
and
Natasha
and
I
will
continue
to
have
discussions
to
figure
out
how
to
respond
to
the
public
as
they
are
presenting
these
concerns
and,
as
we
all
know,
ultimately,
the
County
Board
could
be
the
ones
who
will
be
adopting.
B
So
we've
made
our
recommendations
and
and
are
working
with
Natasha
to
see
if
we
can
keep
those
recommendations
as
they
are
or
if
there
are
needed
to
be
further
tweets,
we
will
I'll
keep
you
all
posted,
but
it's
still
a
work
in
progress,
even
though
Natasha
are
coming
close
to
the
end
of
it
yeah
well.
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you
Natasha.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
G
E
B
Will
try
to
get
through
this
as
quickly
so
as
you'll
recall
back
in
April,
we
first
presented
the
initial
draft
of
the
American
cultural
resources
plan
to
the
condition,
along
with
our
preservation
consultant
and
we've
walked
you
through
the
different
sections
of
the
document
we
hit
the
highlights,
and
you
have
you
had
questions
and
answers
which,
which
we
addressed
since
that
time.
B
Here,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
each
of
the
members
of
my
team,
Lauren,
Michael
and
Serena
for
all
of
their
help
getting
us
this
far.
This
has
been
a
multi-year
process,
as
you
can
see
by
the
timeline
here
on
the
screen,
and
it's
been
a
very
heavy
lift
for
our
team,
but
it's
such
an
important
process
for
us
to
have
gone
through
because
it
really
is
going
to
guide
us
for
the
next.
B
So
with
that,
here's
a
quick
summary
of
the
planning
process
on
the
left,
you
can
see
a
lot
of
the
Milestones
that
we've
already
completed
from
the
beginning
of
this
process
in
2020.
All
the
way
to
where
we
are
here
in
2023
and
we've
been
working
a
lot
as
I
said
this
year
on
the
public
engagement
aspect
of
the
plan.
B
We,
in
addition
to
coming
to
the
hlrb
we've
been
to
the
long-range
planning
committee
of
the
Planning
Commission
twice,
both
in
the
spring
and
just
a
few
weeks
ago
we
posted
15
different
pop-up
events
across
the
county,
one
Community
open
house
we've
had
digital
materials
online,
including
a
story
map
some
really
cool
cultural
heritage.
Videos
as
as
well
as
online
feedback
opportunities.
B
So
we've
received
a
lot
of
public
comment
and
I
hope
that
by
now,
you're
all
pretty
familiar
with
what
is
in
the
plan
and
in
terms
of
what's
to
come
so
again
hoping
to
get
the
hlrv's
official
blessing
this
evening.
And
then
just
like
the
project
you
heard
for
playing
Langston
Boulevard.
B
So
this
next
graphic
is
just
a
fancy
summary
showing
you
from
where
we
started
in
the
spring
of
2020,
a
lot
of
the
different
engagement
and
different
communication
tools
that
we
have
used
to
solicit
public
feedback
and
to
share
this
information
with
the
public
and.
B
B
B
Equity
aspirations
for
each
of
the
goals
of
the
plan
to
describe
how
these
achievements
could
Advance
inclusion,
diversity,
equity
and
or
accessibility,
excellent.
So
between
April
and
June,
as
I
said,
we
requested
Community
feedback
on
the
initial
April
draft
and
we
spent
the
spring
and
summer
analyzing
that
feedback
and
making
some
minor
revisions
to
the
draft.
These
changes
are
reflected
in
the
what
we're
calling
recommended
draft
that
was
released
in
mid-august,
and
so
this
is
just
a
quick
summary
of
what
is
different
between
the
two
versions.
B
We
added
vocations
of
historic
resources
and
neighborhood
reference
points
throughout
the
plan.
This
was
a
a
helpful
recommendation
from
the
long-range
planning
committee.
In
fact,
and
we
agreed
that
adding
this
additional
information
would
further
educate
readers
about
historic
places
all
throughout
the
county.
We
also
strengthen
the
connection
between
the
historic
built
environment
and
the
natural
environment
by
adding
several
references
to
the
County's
different
biophilic
initiatives.
B
We
likewise
made
several
clarifications
throughout
the
plan,
including
providing
additional
context
to
certain
sections
of
the
statement
of
historical
and
cultural
significance.
We
recognize
County
transportation
projects
as
a
partnership
opportunity
in
the
future.
We
explained
the
size
of
the
proposed
neighborhood
Heritage
District
within
the
regulation
goal,
and
we
also
updated
some
section
titles
in
the
plan.
B
We
also
clarified
some
terminology,
particularly
the
term
character
and
how
that
was
used
and
defined,
and
we
defined
it
more
in
a
preservation,
lens
of
historic
character,
architectural
character
and
character,
defining
features,
as
opposed
to
the
more
General
reference
to
Neighborhood
character.
We
also
added
a
disclaimer
statement
in
the
full
historic
resources
inventory
table.
That's
at
the
back
of
a
plan
that
states
that
the
table
contains
the
raw
current
data,
as
the
County
Board
had
approved
it
back
in
2011..
We
do
not
change
any
street
names.
B
We
did
not
indicate
which
buildings
have
since
been
demolished,
which
ones
have
since
been
protected,
because
we
wanted
to
reinforce
the
need
why
an
update
to
the
HRI
is
so
important.
So
we
can
get
that
information
current
and
we
also
opted
against
adding
more
maps
and
historic
content
into
the
plan,
because
we
felt
this
could
have
resulted
in
just
too
much
detailed
information
and
a
plan.
That
really
is
intended
to
be
aspirational,
and
so
we
do
reference
having
more
maps
in
historic
content
available
for
the
public.
In
several
of
our
plan
goals
and.
B
We're
very
excited
about
is
the
graphic
of
the
upper
right
corner
corner
of
this
slide.
We
updated
the
icon
in
our
segment
of
the
comprehensive
plans
wheel,
if
you
remember
before
it
originally
was
a
tablet
icon
that
either
looked
like
a
marker
or
a
gravestone,
depending
on
what
you
thought
it
looked
like,
and
so
we
decided
to
update
it.
Give
it
a
fresh
new
look
to
have
it
better
reflect
the
broader
work
that
our
program
does,
so
it
does
reference
architecture,
those
like
the
cluster
buildings
at
the
top.
B
So
in
conclusion,
there's
just
a
few
reminders
and
next
steps
to
remind
you
and
if
you
haven't
already,
please
read
the
plan,
sit
with
it.
There's
there's
a
lot
in
there.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
I,
think
Creative
Solutions
to
consider.
We
also
have
an
online
comment
form
that
is
available
online
until
October
1st,
and
these
are
for
comments
from
the
public
that
will
be
sent
directly
to
the
county
board
for
them
to
consider
as
part
of
their
deliberation,
and
there
will
be
several
opportunities
for
the
hlrb
to
continue
to
stay
involved.
B
We
would
like
to
request
at
least
two
hlrb
volunteers
to
attend
the
Planning,
Commission
and
County
Board
with
us,
this
fall
and
at
each
meeting
the
hlrv
will
allow
to
make
room
more.
So
we
would
appreciate
the
support
on
that
and
then
lastly,
you
know
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions
or
comments.
D
Well,
I
love
that
the
plan
has
incentives
or
it's
recommending
incentives
for
preservation.
Financial,
you
know
density
bonuses,
maybe
streamlining
a
permitting
I,
think
that's
kind
of
The
Next
Step
that
I
would
love
to
see.
I,
also
love
that
there
is
a
mention
of
pursuing
demolition
review
at
the
state
level,
because
that
would
be
a
big
next
step
for
preservation
in
the
county.
So
thank
you
for
including
those
that's
a
good
aspirational
plan.
E
C
Right
completely
Echo
what
everybody
else
has
been
saying
about
the
level
of
work
that's
gone
into
this
and
just
a
level
of
effort.
So
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
all
the
resources
and
time
you've
put
into
this.
It's
a
wonderful
document.
B
So
we
have
it
in
a
few
places,
there's
a
reference
I
believe
in
the
introduction
section
that
talks
about
there
was
a
biophilic
initiative
that
the
county,
a
resolution,
rather
that
the
county
adopted
I
believe
is
in
2019
September.
B
B
They're
not
confirmed
most
likely,
it
will
be
either
October,
2nd
or
October
4th,
which
is
DRC
night.
So
we
should
find
out
in
the
next
week
which
which
agenda
will
be
on
so
to
go,
to
bring
the
request
to
advertise
to
the
Planning.
Commission
commission
give
a
similar
presentation
like
this
evening
and
Commissioners
questions
there.
B
P
B
B
If
it's
on
the
regular
agenda,
then
we
will
make
a
presentation
formally
and
at
that
time
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
an
hlrb
spokesperson.
So
we
can
definitely
keep
you
Mr
chair
in
informed
of
the
dates
as
they're
confirmed
for
us
and
then
maybe,
if
you
wanted
to
reach
out
to
members
via
email,
to
try
to
get
low
and
volunteers
on
this
coordinate
that.
A
B
O
C
C
B
O
A
B
B
Help,
if
any
body
wants
to
do
it
but
isn't
sure
to
say
we
can
also
kind
of
assist
with
getting
a
summary
and
if
there's
certain
areas
that
you
prefer
to
highlight,
we
can
we
can
work
with
you
all
as
well
and
Serena
said
around
I
believe
earlier
this
week,
a
message
to
all
of
the
Commissioners
that
included
some
of
their
web
links.
So
if.
B
Which
is
like
all
five
minutes
the
overview,
if
you
wanted
to
watch
any
of
the
videos,
there's
like
a
one-page
flyer
about
the
plan,
there's
there's
lots
of
materials
available
on
the
website,
so
feel
free
to
to
use
those
and
share
those.
If
you
think
there
are
others
in
your
circle
circles
who
would
want
to
come
out
to
support
the
planner
might
be
interested
in
what
the
plan
is
trying
to
accomplish.