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A
B
B
So
thank
you
all
for
giving
up
another
Wednesday
evening
spend
with
us.
We
appreciate
you
doing
that.
We're
really
excited
to
be
able
to
bring
our
draft
historic
and
cultural
resources
plan
to
the
hlrb
to
get
some
of
can.
C
B
B
C
B
Really
thrilled
to
work
with
her,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
else
about
you
and
your
your
company?
If
not,
we
can
do
start
with
introduction.
I,
don't
need
to
I.
Think
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
having
me
and
thank
you
for
trusting
me
to
work
with
you
again.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
here
and
all
right.
So
Carmella
since
you
are
our
virtual
participant,
I
want
to
start
with
you.
D
You
know
I
want
to
say
the
old
Stratford,
Junior
High,
School
I,
don't
know
I
have
so
many
I
have
so
many
of
them
and
a
couple
of
them
that
I
really
liked
are
no
longer
in
existence.
But
first
of
all
my
name
is
Carmela
Hamm,
the
Dorothy
ham,
Middle
School
is
named
after
my
mother,
I
think
the
the
halrb
and
The
Architects
and
everyone
did
a
fabulous
job
with
marrying
the
the
renovations
with
the
new
edition.
D
Oh
I
joined
in
mid
to
late
2016.
I
believe
it
was,
it
may
have
even
been
early.
2017.
I
know
I
kind
of
dragged
my
feet
for
a
while,
because
I
I
reside
full-time
pretty
much
in
Henrico
County,
but
I
own
a
home
in
Arlington
and
I've,
been
back
and
forth
quite
a
bit
for
the
last
10
years
or
more
doing
renovations
on
the
house.
E
Well,
I've
been
on
the
board
for
it's
either
12
or
13
years,
and
my
favorite
store
building
in
Arlington.
That's
hard,
I
think
I'll
go
the
easy
route.
It's
not
a
listed
building,
but
My
Condo
building
is
the
original
high-rise
in
Boston.
We're
there
before
anybody
else,
I
think
we
did
it
better
than
everybody
else.
So.
F
G
Gary
yeah,
my
name
is
Jerry
LaPorte
and
I've,
been
on
the
the
hlrb
or
I
think
a
little
bit
more
than
20
years.
I
didn't
understand
what
you
said.
Are
your.
H
And
the
building
has
to
still
be
around
Arlington.
H
I
really
liked
it,
but
I
also
like
the
Tech
showroom.
F
C
B
All
right
so
with
that
we
have
some
slides
we're
going
to
walk
through
kind
of
our
process.
We've
been
working
on
this
we've
been
off
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
spring
of
2020,
the
bleeding
edge
of
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
and
here
we
are
I
know
you
all
have
been
patiently
waiting.
We've
been
giving
you
updates
as
best
we
could,
but
now
we
have
a
draft
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
share
it.
B
E
A
A
Yeah
I'm
correct,
you
couldn't
see
the
slides
advancing
right,
like
you,
just
saw
the
overshot
of
like
a
full
PowerPoint.
C
B
A
A
C
B
All
right,
let's
start
again
all
right
so
just
to
kind
of
give
a
sense
of
what
we're
here
for
tonight.
C
B
The
contest
for
you
all,
obviously
the
halrb
is
really
the
County's
partner
in
historic
preservation,
and
so
you
have
an
important
role.
All,
In
and
while
you've
been
getting
updates
and
we've
had
moments
along
a
to
engage
in
this
tonight
is
an
opportunity
to
make
sure
you're
completely
familiar
with
everything.
That's
in
the
plan,
I
realize
some
of
you
will
want
some
more
time.
C
B
Panic,
but
you
know
we're
going
to
walk
through
the
content
together
for
us
to
hear
some
feedback
and
also
for
us
to
share
the
timeline.
B
B
C
B
First
phase
of
it
that
really
took
us
all
the
way
through
2020.
into
very
early
2021,
really
is
what
we
were
calling
calling
the
data
collection
phase.
It
was
when
Jackie
and
her
team
were
doing
interviews
with
various
stakeholders.
I
think
she
spoke
to
a
few
hlrb
members.
As
part
of
that
we
did
an
initial
online
feedback
questionnaire
to
start
getting
some
initial
thoughts
from
the
community.
C
B
The
document
that
that
you
see
and
then
in
terms
of
what's
remaining,
you
know
we're
speaking
to
each
other
B
this
evening
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
public
Outreach
plan
for
the
spring
into
middle
of
summer,
and
so
the
in
conjunction
with
that
we
will
also
have
another
online
feedback
opportunity
which
is
live
and
available
now.
So
we
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
that.
As
you
are
reviewing
the
plan,
we
also
are
planning
to
release
a
few
more.
B
B
Signs
around
the
county
to
attract
people's
attention
and
and
direct
people
to
the
website
to
learn
about
the
plan,
and
so
we
plan
to
come
back
to
the
hlrb
at
the
end
of
the
summer.
After
the
end
of
our
engagement
to
continue
to
engage
with
you
all
see
what
additional
questions
comments
concerns
you
have
and
then
to
really
ask
for
your
support
to
help
us
Champion
the
final
draft
from
the
summer
to
bring
forward
to
the
County
Board
for
consideration
this
fall.
B
B
This
is
really
just
when
we
say
the
draft
was
released
for
public
review.
That
was.
B
B
B
It
available
this
is
that
same
another
way,
to
look
at
the
process
timeline,
but
really
just
focused
on
public
engagement,
as
you.
B
C
B
What
something's
already
said,
but
I
wanted
to
see
that
before
we
get
into
the
goals
for
the
current
sword
and
cultural
resources
plan
I
want
for
the
staff
to
go
through
Cindy.
B
Walk
through
the
an
overview
of
what
the
plan,
what
the
program
accomplished
from
the
2
and
that's
going
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
how
we
talk
about
what
we're
doing
great
so
in
the
updated
plan
in
the
introduction
chapter
which
starts
on
page
13..
There's
a
lot
more
detail
about
this.
So
in
terms
of
what
we've
been
able
to
accomplish,
since
the
original
plan
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
2006.,
we
were
able
to
accomplish
quite
a
lot.
B
B
A
lot
of
you
are
familiar
because
you've
seen
many
of
them,
but
we've
installed
dozens
of
historic
markers
all
over
the
county
and
that's
really
helped
us
with
our
educational
and
conservative
goals.
We've
done
a
lot
of
historic
research
on
a
variety
of
people
and
places
as
well
as
creating
spearheaded
several
Publications.
B
C
B
Original
plan
was
approved
by
the
County
Board
in
2006.
The
leading
recommendation
from
that
was
to
create
the
historic
resources
inventory
the
HRI,
and
you
are
all
familiar
with
that,
because
we
use
that
every
day
as
staff
as
just
DHL
orb
when
reviewing
development
projects,
so
that
was
a
big
accomplishment.
B
B
Since
2006.,
the
first
time
was
a
major
overhaul
and
the
other
two
times
were
focused
on
specific
sections
and
processes.
B
We've
also
established
with
the
County
Board
support,
13
new
local
historic
districts
around
the
county,
as
well
as
10
new
historic
preservation,
eastmans
that
included
historic
fire
departments,
commercial
buildings
as
well,
and
in
addition,
we
we've
really
been
able
to
make
preservation
part
of
a
lot
of
the
County's
planning
practice
on
a
daily
basis.
So
we.
B
More
with
our
colleagues,
we
also
are
major
players
now
in
a
lot
of
the
county-wide
planning
studies
and
the
different
initiatives
that
happen.
Good
examples
that
include
preservation
would
be
the
form-based
code
on
Columbia,
Pike
and
we've.
You
all
have
been
reviewing
some
Columbia
Pike
projects
recently,
as
well
as
various
like
sector
and
area
plans
in
Fort,
Myer,
Heights
places
like
that,
and
then
I'd
say.
B
The
the
last
main
thing
that
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
was
really
build
a
lot
of
our
Partnerships,
with
different
divisions
with
different
departments
in
the
county,
as
well
as
with
some
of
the
local
community
groups.
Those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we've
really
had
success
with,
since
the
original
plan.
H
C
C
B
So
the
last
thing
that
we'll
talk
about
in
relation
to
the
original
plan
in
terms
of
studying
context,
is
you
know,
the
historic
preservation
program
has
led
the
county
through
impressive
set
of
accomplishments.
As
a
result
of
that
plan,
it
was
a
foundation
for
a
lot
of
the
efforts
over
the
last
2016
70
years,
impressive
set
of
accomplishments.
B
B
Things
that
sort
of
impacted
that-
and
we
thought
it
might
be
helpful
to
just
review
what
a
few
of
those
challenges
were,
and
one
of
them
was
just
resource
right.
The
sometimes
there's
not
money,
sometimes
there's
you
know
it's.
C
B
Things
to
get
to
get
it
done,
especially
I
think
for
goals
that
weren't
urgent,
and
so
what
you'll
find.
When
you
look
at
the
discussion
of
goals
that
didn't
get
the
objectives,
I
should
say:
you'll
find
that
maybe
objectives
like
like
Outreach
or
education
objectives
tended
to
be
the
ones
that
might
have
fallen
to
the
bottom
of
the
priority
list,
not
because
they
weren't
as
important,
but
because
they
tended
to
be
things
that
didn't
have.
Maybe.
B
Plan
identified
mid
and
long-term
strategies
that
were
meant
to
sort
of
create
success
for
the
preservation
program.
But
when
you
look
at
how
preservation
Works
anywhere,
including
in
our
the
nature
of
the
work,
means
something
urgent
right,
there
are
anniversaries
that
communities
are
involved
in
and
you
may
not
have
anticipated
them,
or
there
are
demolition
threats
that
come
with
local
designation
and
the
most
recent
one
is
not
the
only
one
right.
C
B
For
that,
because
it
was
really
just
just
a
busy
time
for
staff
and
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
space
for
planning
activities
at
that
time.
So
same
thing
happens
when
you're
implementing
and
then
I
think
this
last
one
sort
of
about
relationships
and
structures.
We
really
had
this
in
mind
as
we
went
into
this
plan
as
well
kind
of
how
the
relationships
around
this
project,
so
our
preservation
is
a
planning,
unlike
planning
and
zoning.
B
B
So
I
would
say
that
just
keeping
that
in
mind
there's,
maybe
what
I
would
say
is
Arlington
has
a
admirable
commitment
to
engagement,
and
that
translates
to
a
significant
time
whenever
you're
engaging
in
something.
D
C
B
Is
structured
in
a
way
that's
really
clear
and
maybe
consistent
consistently
across
the
county.
Internally
preservation
hasn't
met,
and
so
that
means
that
when
you've
got
some
things
in
the
plan
where
you
want
to
see
that
considered
every
time
a
new
development
that's
being
done
or
any
plan
is
being
done,
that
isn't
really
formally
structured.
And
so
it's
variable,
and
so
some
of
those
things
that
might
have
been
aspirational
in
the
last
planet
really
were
accomplished
through
the
good
work
of
the
staff
and
the
atlrb.
A
B
In
mind,
just
you
know
whatever
was
going
on
there,
because
there
wasn't
a
formalized
requirement
for
that.
Preservation
may
not
have
been.
C
H
B
C
B
That
plan
was
starting
from
a
place
where
you
all
were
telling
me,
like
developers,
don't
feel
trust
toward
preservationist
preservationists,
don't
feel
trust
or
developers
we're
not
starting
from
the
same
conversation.
We
don't
feel
like.
We
know
I'm
paraphrasing
right,
but
it's
like
we
don't
know
when
preservations
are.
C
B
B
It
and
if
you
as
we
go
through
the
plan,
you'll
see
there's
like
a
huge,
huge
chunk
of
the
regulation
or
the
technology
and
information
goals
that
are
about
the
HRI.
It's
focused
on
improving
it
and
expanding
it.
We
heard
a
lot
from
Arlington
staff
in
particular,
but
also
from
folks
some
folks
in
the
community
who
do
things
like
housing
from
agencies
that
aren't
from
Burlington
County.
B
That
said,
like
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
use
this
for
I
wish
that
it
had
a
GIS
tool
that
I
get
for
you
know
people
had
a
lot
of
questions
or
requests
to
be
able
to
do
more
with
it.
So
it
wasn't.
Nobody
was
saying,
like
this
thing,
doesn't
work
or
it's
not
useful
if
they
have
anything
to
say
about
it,
that
could
be
construed
as
negative.
It
was
that
we
wish
it
did
more
more
access
to
it
more
access,
more
functionality.
Some
people
wanted
more
clarity
of
policy.
B
B
H
B
B
But
it
really
I
would
also
say
too
in
terms
of
the
work
that
our
team
does
with
our
colleagues
and
Property
Owners
on
Redevelopment
projects.
The
HRI
really
allowed
us
to
have
some
preservation
successes.
We
were
able
to
use
tdrs,
we
were
able
to
incorporate
full
and
partial
preservation.
We
even
secured
several
easements
and
I
think
having
that
foundation
of
the
HRI
helped
us
get
get
those
accomplished.
E
H
B
The
top
third
came
about
after
the
County
board,
approved
the
list
in
2011
and
adopted
the
age,
arrivals
and
policies.
Also
in
2011.
It
was
two
three
two
or
three
County
managers
ago
approached
us
and
said:
the
important
category
is
the
biggest
I,
don't
know
the
number
off
the
top
of
my
head
140
and
give
or
take,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
projects
coming
forward,
and
he
had
asked
us
for
a
way
to
figure
out
which
ones
in
that
largest
category
were
a
little
bit
more
important.
B
So
it
was
looking
at
the
survey,
methodology
and
really
kind
of
figuring
out,
which
ones
were
at
the
high
end
of
the
important
list
and
that's
where
the
top?
Third,
so
it's
still
important,
it's
just
a
further
clarification
that
it's
a
little
bit
closer
to
essential
than
being
towards
the
bottom.
B
H
H
E
I'm
sure
which
follow-up,
if
this
is
coming
up
later
until
then.
E
E
B
Oh
yeah,
more
than
a
couple,
okay,
so
in
addition
to
looking
for
so
in
addition
to
sort
of
thinking
about
the
challenges
that
we
knew
existed
original
plan,
the
other
thing
that
has
really
been
a
focus
for
this
update
has
been
equity.
And
there
are
a
couple
reasons
for
this.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
just
sort
of
a
little
bit
of
a
mindset
of
context
around
that
one
is
that,
first
of
all,
just
generally
and
I.
B
Think
all
of
you
probably
know
this
but
I
say
it
out
loud
anyways
in
a
post
black
lives
matter,
world.
The
public
expects
organizations
their
best
effort
forward
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
getting
access
to
public
services.
So
there's
just
an
expectation
on
the
county
that
that
you're
going
to
be
doing
your
best
to
make
sure
everyone
can
access
services.
C
C
B
Stories
and
that
tell
them
tell
the
story,
so
that's
kind
of
the
context
of
how
we
came
into
this
space.
And
why
would
you
sort
of
see
the
film
the
way
that
we
get
at
that
in
several
ways?
One
you're
going
to
see
goals
that
the
big
goals
are
just
two
you're
gonna
note
that
there
are
revisions
to
the
statement
of
significance
that
Encompass
a
greater
diversity
of
resource.
B
So
you'll
see
more
of
the
people
who
lived
here.
I.
Think
one
of
the
biggest
and
clearest
would
be
the
American
Indians
that
loved
hearing
out
in
2006..
It
wasn't
surprising
for
someone
to
say
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
information.
So
then
you
didn't
say
a
lot.
I
think
this
this
sort
of
know
in
the
same
age.
That's
not
a
great
answer
right,
so
we
either
dig
a
Little
Deeper.
We
find
someone
here.
We
explain
why
we
don't
know.
B
We've
changed
the
name
of
the
plan
and
I
I
want
to
say
that
the
name
change
itself
is
not
really
the
point,
but
I.
Think
the
language
is
the
point.
I
think
we've.
B
Feel
like
I
feel
is
our
is
our
like
leader
in
this
she's,
the
best
of
us
when
we
can
do
better
at
this.
But
the
interestingly
I
don't
know
how
many
videos
real
estate
as
a
regular
thing,
but.
B
Of
Realtors
has
removed
the
word
mass
Ive
master
from
things
like
master
bedroom.
Now,
it's
just
in
general.
In
America,
we've
been
sort
of
removing
words
that
are
inherent
Disturbed
slavery
from
from
our
public
language
spaces.
If
we
don't,
you
know
if
we
don't
need
to
use
it
Lively,
and
so,
as
we
were
sort
of
going
through
the
process
of
writing
the
plan
in
general,
we
got
kind
of
close
I
think
to
the
end
and
sort
of
realized.
B
Like
there's
this
giant
word
on
the
front
of
our
plan,
even
the
realtors
association
in
America
has
removed
from
their
vocabulary,
but
it's,
and
so
we
tried
to
be
thoughtful
about
language,
as
we
went
through
the
plan
and
just
say
like,
are
there
ways
that
we
could
talk
about
things
that
makes
everyone
feel
welcome
and
feel
like
it's
a
plan
for
them
to
read
and
so
you'll
see.
The
name
of
your
plan
is
actually
this
just
got
approved
last
week.
So
don't
think
I'm
crazy.
C
B
If
you
look
at
page
48,
that's
what
you'd
like
to
go:
provide
incentives
for
preservation
to
Residents,
Property,
Owners
developers
and
Community
organizations
gold,
the
equity
aspiration
that
goes
with
that
that
says,
incentives
have
the
potential
to
encourage
broader,
more
diverse
purchase,
store
preservation,
services
across
and
so
the
equity
aspirations.
What
they
express,
Is,
How,
We
Believe.
Each
goal
will
help
to
increase
accessibility
or
equity
in
terms
of
preservation
across
Darlington.
B
C
B
Kind
of
a
you
know
again
doing
better
supposed
to
be
perfect,
but
we're
excited
about
it,
and
the
staff
worked
really
hard
to
kind
of
think
through
what
these
I
want.
To
give
you
a
minute.
B
B
The
way
we're
going
to
do
this
is
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
these
myself,
but
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
to
you.
So
if
you
want
to
read
them,
you
have
two
choices.
B
You
want
to
be
reading
them
verbatim.
You
can
either
use
the.
B
Starts
on
on
page
38.,
you
have
it
in
front
of
you
and
there's
a
like
a
quick
summary
of
each
goal
and
objective
and
people
follow
along
or
you
can
read
them
on
the
slide.
I
have
slide
as
sort
of
summary
person,
so
Community
engagement
goals
in
the
past
I
want
to
note
again
I
think
when
you
look
at
performance.
C
B
Terms
of
completing
things
in
the
past
plan,
they
tended
to
be
the
ones
that
were
sort
of
the
hardest
for
the
staff
to
complete
because
they
were
the
ones
that
tended
to
not
have
a
deadline
or
they
weren't
urgent.
B
The
case
that
public
support
requires
understanding
and
understanding
requires
your
staff
and
aglrb
and
others
to
be
out
there
doing
engagement,
so
we're
excited
about
the
community
engagement
goals
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
those
reported
through
the
next
implementation
period
for
this
plan,
and
we
also
tried
to
think
carefully
about
what's
realistic.
So
you
don't
see
in
here
that
you're
launching
of
community
engagement,
team
or
a
van,
you
know
there's
nothing
in
here.
That's
that's
sort
of
a
full-scale
new
program.
B
Michael's
here
tonight
and
she's
been
doing
some
things
already.
That's
doing
your
quarterly
engagement,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
anything
about
that,
but.
B
A
C
B
B
G
B
All
right
incentives,
so
this
is
really
interesting
in
interviews
and
focus
groups.
I
I
didn't
count,
so
I
can't
guarantee
this,
but
I
think
incentives
is
probably
the
thing
I
heard
most
often
asked
for
and
I
would
say
not
from
any.
Only
one
group
you
know
I
would
say
that,
ranging
from
people
who
had
developments,
you
know
private
property
owners
themselves
to
people
who
worked
for
the
county,
saying
you're,
probably
going
to
have
to
have
some
some
end
of
preservation.
C
C
B
B
B
But
tax
credits
statements-
you
know
that
those
are
things
that
we've
talked
with
the
manager's
office
about
your
your
finance
office
is
gonna,
have
to
work
with
you
on
that,
but.
A
B
That's
pretty
good
at
that,
but
you
know,
but
there's
room
right,
there's
room
for
it.
It's
still
in
the
document
and
I
think
that
which
means
that
this
is
something
that
can
be
pursued
and
other
localities
have
these
things
so
they're
powerful
tools
right
doesn't
want
to
Abate
their
taxes.
E
B
There's
nothing
precluding
you
from
from
Dylan
law,
sort
of
dressiness
of
up
being
in
Virginia
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
about
being
in
Virginia
that
can
hold
us
back
from
doing
things
we
in
other
states
but
Financial
incentives.
We
don't
have
any
issues
there
in
terms
of
the
recognition.
C
B
Also
just
talked
about
recognizing
people:
I
I
love
the
first
one,
even
though
it
though
it's
probably
got
a
little
less
like
Firepower
than
financial
incentives,
but
just
recognizing
people
who
are
preserving
right.
We're
always
trying
to
fix
a
problem
but
I
think
also
just
the
joyfulness
of
recognizing
are
doing
the
work.
B
People
who
are
in
local
historic
districts,
people
who
are
doing
present,
Awards
programs,
plaques
markers,
interpretive
markers
like
how
does
the
preservation
program
engage
with
those
who
are
already
preservationists
and
sort
of
make
that
a
thing
that
feels
good
and
makes
it
feel
like
a
team.
You
want
to
be
on.
C
G
B
Used
to
having
a
program
every
year
for
historic
preservation,
Design
Awards,
Design,
Awards,
okay,.
C
B
B
G
Yeah
I
know
it
got
the
historic
preservation
department
took
part
and
the
the
modern
people
I
wanted
to
recognize
new
buildings,
and
so
we
got
shut
to
the
side,
but
there
was
a
category
still
there
still
is,
but
then
it
got
dropped
and
now
there's
another
program
that
they
have
or
I
think
it's
I
mean.
Then
it
got,
it
totally
got
dropped.
Now
they
brought
it
back
in
the
last
few
years,
but
it's
only
about
modern
stuff.
G
All
the
prop
all
the
people
who
are
on
the
the
committee
that
choose
the
reason.
I
know
this,
because
I
put
an
additional
my
house
and
a
lot
of
people
told
me
it
was
really
nice.
Okay
and
I
submitted
it
and
didn't
get
any
recognition
at
all,
not
that
I
expected
to
win,
and
you.
C
G
B
C
B
G
I
mean
if
you
look
at
the
award,
it's
all
about
the
modern,
build
I
mean
the
people.
I,
don't
know
if
they
change
the
panel
now
yeah,
but
at
least
one
year
I
remember
it
was
I
looked
at
the
and
it
was
all
it
really
into
modern
I
mean
so
we
could
sort
of
get
back
into
that
program
a
little
more
heavily
and
get
to
some
people
who
are
preservations.
It's
all
about
the
review,
commitment,
yeah
or
maybe
require
them
to
give
at
least
one
award
for
historical.
H
Single
property
owners
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
do
it.
Retroactive
properties
that
are
already
protected,
I,
don't
think
necessarily
I
mean
just
taking
mainly,
for
example,
the
homeowners
there
bought
those
houses
or
owned
them.
When
the
Stark
District
was
created,
they
don't
need
an
incentive
to
to
keep
your
house
as
a
start,
because
the
counties
made
it
a
lot.
Basically
that
they're
starting
that's
what
the
county
needs
to
do
with
some
other
neighborhoods.
H
H
C
B
C
B
Multi-Property
local
historic
districts
can
I
say
that
I've
already
said
it
and
it's
all
camera,
and
so
that
felt,
like
maybe
generally
I
mean
I,
didn't
hear
I,
don't
think
I
heard
a
single
person
I,
don't
think
if
I
heard
anybody
other
than
like
us,
insiders
right.
H
C
B
Or
staff
say
we
really
need
more
big
historic
districts,
so
that
made
that
kind
of
brought
us
to
this
conversation
about
like
how
do
we
get
those
who
are?
How
do
we
kind
of
get
more
cachet
around
this
idea
of
being
designated,
because
that
is
really
the
gold
standard
right?
We
can
other
than
easements
in
local
districts
are
really
where
protection
wise.
E
B
B
B
B
This
misconception
by
general
population
that,
because
Arlington's
history
feels
more
modern,
a
lot
of
it
developed
in
the
20th
century.
That's
not
really
historic,
because
it's
too
new,
it's
it's
not
from
an
older
time
period.
A
lot
of
our
our
history
was,
you
know,
shaped
by
Transportation.
History
is
shaped
by
development,
history,
federal
government
history,
so
we
have-
and
yes
a
lot
of
that
happened
within
recent
decades
and
I
think
to
a
lot
of
people
that
doesn't
equate
to
something
either
historic
or
necessarily
worth
keeping,
because
it
feels
too
recent.
C
E
E
G
No
one
of
the
ironic
there's
a
lot
of
local
opposition
called
missing
middle
and
a
lot
of
those
people
who
oppose
it
say
that
they
want
to
save
their
neighborhoods
and
that's
why
they
moved
here,
and
this
is
going
to
destroy
their
neighborhoods
and
at
the
same
time
they
could
use
historic
preservation
as
a
tool
to
save
their
neighborhoods
and
from
what
you
say.
People
don't
understand
that
they
could
use
historic
preservation
to
save
their
neighborhoods
and
somehow
our
goal
should
be
to
link
some
of
these
people
that
want
to
save
neighborhoods
to
Historic
preservation.
B
And
I
do
want
to
say
I
didn't,
do
a
survey
so
I
want
to
waive
my
I'll.
Have
data
right,
I
didn't
do
a
comprehensive
survey
of
the
county
or
anything
like
that.
It
just
yeah
so
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
could
be
wrong
right
like
if
you
did
a
whole
County
survey,
maybe
but
I,
don't
think
I'm
terribly
wrong.
Based
on
what
staff
I've
experienced
in
terms
of
they're
most.
You
know
you
know
your
experiences
in
trying
to
pursue.
C
H
Would
have
as
a
property
owner,
but
then
you've
gained
so
much
too
you
gain
others
asking
benefits.
Yeah
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
certain
amount
of
education
for
these
really
concerted
education
and
advocacy
on
why
it
makes
sense.
In
this
context,.
I
Oh,
thank
you.
I
just
was
thinking
as
someone
who's
been
now
A
District
of
Columbia
resident
for
five
years
and
has
been
involved
in
these
conversations.
I
am
seeing
them
here
in
DC
as
well,
because
largely
because
I
mean
I,
think
they're
they're
caged
in
conversations
about
affordable
housing
and
sustainability,
which,
as
someone
who
believes
those
things
are
harmonious
with
historic
preservation
are
not
actually
they
like.
I
There's
no
conversations,
don't
hold
water,
but
certainly
with
the
house
prices
the
way
they
have
been
over
the
last
well,
basically,
since
the
housing
bubble,
a
lot
of
people
are
very
reluctant
to
put
any
kind
of
restriction
on
how
much
their
properties
can
appreciate,
and
so
coupling
that
with
the
developers,
then
getting
those
properties
and
talk,
saying:
oh
well:
affordable
housing
and
sustainability,
I'm,
seeing
far
fewer
historic
districts
being
designated
in
Far,
More,
neighbors
objecting
and
oh
also,
I,
think
a
lot
of
people
have
been
burned
extremely
limiting
HOAs
and
they
see
a
comparison
between
HOAs
and
the
local
historic
district
system.
D
B
B
Plan
which
is
sort
of
the
ad
hoc
nature
in
which
historic
preservation
is
integrated
into
other
departments
and
divisions
and
again
I
want
to
say,
as
I
talk
about
these
things,
I
hope
you
hear
it
as
matter
of
fact,
this
is
not
a
criticism.
Everything
happens
on
a
Contin
uing.
Everything
happens
on
a
continuum
continually
open
over
time
and.
B
That
I
think
one
thing
I
heard
in
interviews
over
and
over
again
was
how
much
people
respect
the
current
HPV
staff
and
how
much
they
enjoy
working
with
them
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
observe
is
that
the
ways
in
which
preservation
has
made
advancements
in
terms
of
being
integrated
into
other
divisions
and
departments
is
a
lot
of
credit
to
your
career.
But
it
is
I
want
to
say
again,
not
formal.
B
So
for
the
most
part,
it
is
because
this
staff
has
built
relation
because
they
have
made
themselves
a
resource
because
they've
reached
out
and
made
these
connections,
and
so
it's
because
so
and
so
over
here
finds
Serena
to
be
a
great
resource,
and
so
they
call
her
when
they
have
a
question
about
history
and
culture
in
the
Parks.
And
so
so
then
they're
Consulting
with
her
about
it's.
B
Not
because
there's
something
that
says
that
when
a
historic
building
in
the
Parks
is
going
to
be
restored
or
rehabbed,
the
preservation
needs
to
be
brought
to
the
table.
And
so,
if
she
were
to
leave,
would
they
still
be
doing?
C
B
If
everyone
leaves
and
gets
replaced,
we
don't
know
right,
and
so
these
goals
and
objectives
in
these
two
slides
are
really
about
creating
actions
that
will
create
structure
for
historic
preservation
to
be
built
in.
B
Structures
to
be
there
so
that
no
matter,
if
you
have
a
brand
new
program
manager
that
those
connections
are
still
there
right,
that
they're
required,
because
then
those
relationships
will
be
built
again.
Relationships
are
absolutely
essential
and.
B
H
B
B
B
It's
been
a
bit
more
challenging
to
kind
of
collaborate
across
pollinate,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
partnership
goals
for
the
new
plan,
it's
being
able
to
broaden
Beyond
just
this
internal
partnership.
You
know
and
I
think
some
of
the
community
reaction
we've
seen
so
far
already
with
the
historic
historic
observation
fund.
There
are
some
really
interesting
groups
out
there,
some
of
whom
we've.
C
C
C
H
B
D
B
You
know
there
might
be
a
couple
of
non-profits
that
are
taking
some
of
this
local
jurisdictional
preservation,
work
and
they're
handling
it
in
a
way.
That's
really
almost
like.
If
you
took
a
pie
chart
of
what
the
HPP
staff
does,
you
might
see
some
section
of
what
they
do
parsed
out
to
what
would
be
a
non-profit
in
other
communities.
C
B
You
know
I
can
say
that
even
in
my
own
Ohio,
like
the
neighborhood
level
like
like
the
German
Village
society's
a
non-profit
and
they
handle
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
historical
markers
and
some
of
the
Outreach
activities
that
you
all
do,
for
example,
and
I
think
here
in
Arlington,
part
of
where
you're
not
seeing
a
lot
of
that,
and
this
plan
is
that
we
put
some
of
that
in
the
first
plan.
But
that's
not
really
how
the
implementation
effectively
rolled
out.
B
B
In
terms
of
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
identify
this
priority,
we
didn't
see
a.
I
B
A
These
so
I
I
am
looking
at
our
plans,
see
a
lot
of
like
cross-pollination
with
the
partnership
school
and
then
also
the
community,
engagement
and
cable,
because
I
think
in
doing
a.
A
A
And
expand
our
understanding
of
cultural
heritage
and
Arlington,
so
at
least
from
the
community
engagement
perspective,
that's
applicable.
E
I
was
going
to
wait
until
later
to
raise,
but
since
we're
talking
about
external
partners,
a
concern
I've
had
for
a
while,
it's
a
minor
concern
and
I-
don't
know
how
you
address
it
in
this,
but
it's
primarily
private
sector
Partners
when
we've
had
oftentimes
redevelopments
properties,
and
they
have
said
what
we're
going
to
protect
this
x
item
in
the
lobby
or
on
the
facade
and
then
we're
going
to
just
tear
down
the
rest
or
we're
going
to
erect
a
historic
marker
and
there's
this
open
question
of
well
who's
going
to
maintain
the
historic
marker.
E
What
happens
when
it
starts
looking
bad
because
we
as
a
county,
don't
actually
pull
it?
What
are
they
going
to
do
to
preserve
it?
What
happens
when
they
sell
the
building
and
I?
Don't
know
that
we've
ever
figured
out
how
this
kind
of
profit,
assistance
and
preservation
for
some
of
these
developers
has
ever
really
been
solved.
It's
kind
of
like
well
we're
just
going
to
cross
our
fingers
and
hope
for
10
years,
but
marker
doesn't
follow
the
building.
E
E
That's
a
great
question.
Are
you
a
lawyer,
I
I
took.
D
Legal
training,
but
no
I
I
did
not
answers.
B
B
You
know
State
historic
preservation
offices
work
in
what
they
call
mitigation.
You
know
when
they
do
that
when
something
has
an
adverse
effect
on
a
site
and
then
the
adversely
affected
site
can
receive
mitigation,
which
is
ideally
when
they
agree
to
not
adversely
affect
the
site.
B
But
if
that's
not
an
option,
they
can
do
any
number
of
things
like
markers
or
education
efforts,
but
sometimes
it's
money
or
sometimes
it's
a
combination
of
those
things
and
I
would
just
say
in
relation
to
this
conversation
that
if
you're
accepting
things
like
markers
and
Exhibits
or
installations,
you
should
be
accepting
maintenance
funds.
B
It's
fun,
I
think
that
too
often
as
preservation,
we
let
ourselves
be
the
red-headed
stepchild.
You
know
we
let
ourselves
sort
of
watch
that
phrase.
B
Then
we
can
ask
for
a
reasonable
mitigation
for
that,
and
so
I
would
just
argue
that
maybe
going
forward
there
be
a
more
comprehensive
look
at
that.
Maybe
the
preservation
fund
is
where
those
things
go.
Now
that
you
have
a
tool,
that's
a
cute
place.
To
put
it.
E
B
B
These
siteland
conditions
for
some
of
these
private
property
owners
is
a
key
way
to
have
those
requirements
put
in
there
and
kind
of
expand.
What
our
expectations
are
and
I
think
that,
because
we
are
getting
more
and
more
creative
or
we're
getting
what
we're
going
to
get
with
some
of
the
you
know,
what
is
historic
preservation
with
some
of
these?
Some
we've
been
happy
with
some.
We
have
not
I
think
that
we're
going
to
get
to
a
point.
B
We
aren't
already
trying
to
come
up
with
an
inventory
not
like
the
historic
resources
mentored,
but
some.
B
Where
we
have
to
keep
track
of
all
of
it
same
way
that
we're
doing
with
markers
it's
going
to
be
ways
that
we've
Incorporated
historic
characteristics
into
a
new
building.
If
it
is
something
like
an
exhibit,
if
it's
a
model
of
a
building
that
had
to
come
down,
we're
gonna
have
to
keep
holding
that
to
that
property
owner
and
manager,
and.
B
C
E
E
Happen
one
of
the
Springs
to
mind
to
me,
even
though
it's
not
because
it's
non-profit
I'm
not
as
concerned
that
they're
going
to
suddenly
sell
it,
but
Harley's
a
Presbyterian
Church.
They
talked
about
historic
marker.
They
preserve
some
of
the
stone
all
these
historic
elements.
That's
what
got
me
thinking
about
these
other.
G
I've
thought
about
this,
especially
in
terms
of
the
historic
markers
that
we've
been
using
in
the
last
20
years
or
so
because,
like
if
you
go
down
the
wno
to
be
Trail,
they
put
those
historically,
the
last
spontaneous
like
much
shorter
shelf
life
than
the
you
know.
The.
G
So
it
seems
to
me
that
we
include
one
of
those
we
could
have
something
if,
if
with
our
fund
that
we
have
now,
we
could
have
something
like
what,
when
you
buy
a
grave
in
a
modern
Cemetery,
you
have
to
make
a
contribution
to
Central
okay.
So
if
we
could
have
a
fun
within
our
fund
that
you
know,
there's
saying
okay,
we're
giving
the
market,
then
we're
giving
X
dollars
to
take
care
of
it
in
perpetuity,
and
you
can
make
those
calculations
and
so.
B
C
B
It
really
right
now
this
goal
the
objectives
under
it
focus
on
two
things:
two
things:
the
goal
leaves
you
room
to
expand.
If
other
things
come
up,
you
know
the
plan
is
a
living
document,
but
right
now
the
two
objectives
that
are
really
of
note
probably
feel
maybe
a
little
bit
separate
from
one
another,
but
they
come
from
two
different
priority
areas.
B
Then
there
are
just
some
questions
around.
What
do
we
do
about
historic
cemeteries
here
in
Arlington?
What
do
we
do
about
Abandoned
cemeteries?
So
somebody
owns
them,
but
they
don't
live
here.
Well,
there's
supposed
to
be
a
report.
B
B
B
Has
had
in
the
past
recently
they
were
hoping
to
also
see
some
type
of
guidance
mentioned
in
the
plan.
B
B
So
that
is
why
this
is
one
of
those
odd
things
that
we
were
like:
hey,
Jackie,
guess
what
we
need
to
I
need
to
address
this
I'm
going
to
acknowledge
that
when
I,
when
we
started
on
this
plan,
this
was
one
of
the
first
things
that
the
field
of
the
county
without
naming
food
right
in
interviews
and
discussions
with
different
people,
there
were
a
couple
people
that
said
like
put
this,
you
know
fix
this
and
put
it
in
the
plan.
Tell
us
what
to
do
about
Cemetery
and
I.
Think
that
I
will
just
say.
H
B
C
C
B
B
B
C
B
You'd
like
to
have
a
lawyer
involved,
yeah
and
I'm,
not
a.
J
B
J
B
J
B
H
H
Underneath
the
County
board
made
a
lot
more
complicated
because
really
the
issue
with
him
all
the
cemetery,
what
to
do
about
it
when
it
was
going
to
be
completely
surrounded
by
three
brand
new
developments
and
whether
there
was
a
chance
to
proper
with
those
three
developers,
some
way
of
was
already
it's
already
protected
historical
district
of
some
way
of
making
it
at
least
protect
with
offense
mow
the
lawn.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
it
wasn't
that
chocolate.
H
F
J
H
J
B
C
G
H
B
G
G
C
G
G
B
So
it's
not
completely
forgotten
at
the
bottom
bottom
of
the
time.
Was
this
a
site
plan
review
yeah?
We
were,
we
were
off
the
table,
but
there
were
multiple
site
plans
happening
kind
of
one
after
the
other,
and
there
was
concern
about
well
kind.
B
People
are
going
to
look
out,
you
know,
stones
are
falling
over,
but
we
don't
own.
It's
a
private
Cemetery
does
not
own,
nor
does
he
have
the
right
to
maintain
it,
and
it
just
became
kind
of
an
issue
during
those
multiple
site
plans
that
happen
back
to
back
to
back,
and
so
it's
definitely
a
concern
and
it's
not
just
cemeteries.
It's
cultural.
B
Okay,
the
other
specific
spaces
that
are
called
out
is
really
looking
at
County
Parks
and
other
public
lands.
Those
are
the
two
cultural
landscapes.
B
Addressed
and
then
there.
B
B
B
So
these
three
objectives
are
really
about
looking
at
the
designation
process,
ensuring
that
it's
working
as
well
as
it
can
and
what
I
think
I
want
to
say
is
just
that.
It
has
happened
that
some
of
the
designation
cases
that
we've
seen
have
tried
our
system
here
here,
I
think
there's
some
pressure
on
this
system,
especially
contentious
and
ideally
designation,
would
kind
of
work
along
a
similar
process,
not
that
we
would
have
a
guaranteed
outcome
every
time
right.
B
B
C
B
Continuity,
some
comfort
and
Surety
to
some
extent
in
that
process
and
when
those
steps
start
to
look
like
they're
out
of
line
from
one
another,
especially
like
I,
said,
I.
Think
what
we've
seen
historically
since.
C
D
B
To
review
what
sort
of
training
our
teams
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
following
all
those
structures,
so
this
is
really
again
about
it's.
We're
sort
of
in
the
step
between
we've
recognized
like
maybe
the
designation
process
needs
some
tuning,
but
we
don't
necessarily
know
exactly
the
detail
s.
So
this
is
this
stop
short
of
saying
we're
going
to
do
this
this,
but
we're
saying
maybe
we
need
to
do
some
work
on
this,
because
we
know
we've
had
some
cases
where
we're.
C
B
C
D
B
B
We
think
there's,
maybe
some
room.
You
know
we
hear
a
lot
about
Virginia
and
how
your
handcuffed
in
Virginia
and
we
did
some
communicating
with
other
jurisdictions
in
Virginia
as
well,
and
we
think
this
one
is
a
you
know
this
one
is
a
little
bit
of
a
but.
B
We
think
there
is
some
room
to
work
with
other
jurisdictions
in
Virginia
and
figure
out
kind
of
how
our
process
here
can
align
with
best
practice
from
other
jurisdictions
around
the
country.
But
to
do
that
officially
right
to
go
to
the
state
legislature
and
say
this
is
how
it's
done
elsewhere
in
the
country
get
the
word
Dylan
law
state
right
so.
C
B
C
B
That
might
be
something
I,
don't
know
if
that'll
end
up
being
where
you
are
or
not.
But
there
are
things
that
you
might
as
you
go
through
this
process
kind
of
figure
out
and
as
you
do
that,
what
might
you
want
to.
C
B
To
have
it
available
for
the
next
several
months
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
bring
to
the
County
Board.
This
fall
something
that
acknowledges
a
lot
of
this
great
input
that
we're
hearing
from
you
and
that
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
community
over
these
next
few
months.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
to
kind
of
share
some
of
those
ideas
now,
but
also
you
know
between
now
and
the
fall.
We
can
continue
this
conversation.
This
is
not
the
only
time
that
we
can
talk
about
it.
G
C
G
G
All
you
need
is
one
person
to
start
and
then
you've
also
been
told
by
the
staff
that
we
almost
and
at
least
in
some
instances
we
almost
have
don't
have
any
discretion
as
to.
If
it
meets
these
requirements,
you
have
to
vote
Yes,
okay,
okay,
so
this
puts
developers
kind
of
into
a
black
hole,
and
so
that's
you
know.
G
One
reason
I
think
we're
not
in
a
recent
past,
but
you
have
people
tearing
things
out,
so
they
don't
have
to
deal
you
know
and
or
there's
so
much
uncertainty
by
just
having
one
citizen
start
the
process.
You
know
they're
anxious
to
get
it
over
with
rather
than
negotiate
and
go
into
a
black
hole.
So
I
mean
the
minimum
I
think
you'd
have
to
have
more
people
to
file
an
application.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
like
it's
more
like
getting
on
the
ballot
for
an
election
of.
B
G
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
that
flower
is,
but,
and
also
thank
you
more
apparent
that
there's
room
for
negotiation
than
you
know.
It's
just
got
to
be.
They
won't
be
able
to
do.
I
mean
that's
partially.
The
a
problem
with
you
know
what
dick
was
talking
about:
our
reputation
or
people.
Don't
misunderstanding
the
process?
Okay,
that
they,
just
even
you,
know
sophisticated
developers.
They
go
I,
don't
want
to
get
involved.
J
Pretty
strong
demolition,
they
even
beefed
it
up.
I
think
it
was
like
10
days
and
it
was
pretty
well.
They
did
add
like
instead
of
one
person,
so
they
they
did
kind
of.
Add
to
that.
But
you
know
anyone
can
can
stay
the
Demolition
and
then
historic
preservation
board
makes
a
decision,
but
they
do
their
their
City.
Board
does
have
the
finals,
so
it
is
a
two-step
process.
J
J
For
the
minute
babo,
yes,
it
meets
all
these
criteria,
which
is
you
know
pretty
much
yes
or
no,
then
it
goes
on
to
City
Council
and
they
have
to
find
out
this
and
I.
Don't
think
they
necessarily
have
a
half
day.
Yes,
I
think
they
could
have
a
board
member
say
you
know,
I,
never
believe
in
you.
J
So,
but
that
demolition,
DeLay
So
I
worked
with
a
group
called
The
Story
Denver,
which
was
a
non
that's
where
we
were
really
able
to
go
in
and
negotiate
with
developers
about
adaptive
or
use
book.
You
can
still
develop
this
property,
but
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
to
do
it.
Where
you
keep
records
of
the
store
inside
and
build
your
apartment
building.
B
H
What
happened
in
previous
case
recently
a
year
is
that
when
the
HR
will
be
active,
yeah
naturally
found
that
the
property
didn't
weren't
protection,
but
a
demolition
permit
already
been
filed.
The
county
and
kind
of
went
along
with
the
plan
to
protect
it,
but
it
was.
It
was
like
on
a
legal
course
of
action
that
couldn't
be
stopped
because
of
the
whole.
H
A
B
A
B
B
B
B
C
E
A
step
child
on
that
subject
so
I
think
I
mean
I.
Think
legislative
chains
are
great
and
I
think
that
medium
term,
those
are
changes
that
will
happen
safe
and
there
are
ways
to
include
more
jurisdictions,
but
it
also
reminds
me
of
five
years
ago.
Maybe
six
years
ago
there
was
a
piece
of
legislation
active
that
specifically
said
no
jurisdiction
with
the
county
manager.
Form
of
government
shall
do
acts
well.
There
are
six
optional
forms
of
government
in
the
Commonwealth
there's
only
one
that
has
chosen
the
county
manager
form
of
government.
A
C
F
E
C
B
Was
a
it
was
a
reaction,
I
think
fear,
property
rights
being
taken
away
even.
C
B
E
B
Charge
I'm
sure
so
just
switch
yours
for
a
second
I
have
two
quick
points.
I
want
to
make
this
before
we
go
on
I.
Think
some
of
the
contentious
designation
request
that
it
happened,
especially
within
the
past
few
years
of
working
on
this
plan.
I
think
it
was
the
ideal
time
for
those
to
have
occurred
to
really
kind
of
make
us
take
a
step
back.
Okay.
Well,
what
is
the
Silver
Lining?
What
is
the
lesson
learned
from
that?
What
are
ways
that
we
can
throughout
the
theme
of
the
night
is
a.
C
B
What
we
have
and
so
I
think
that
is
where
we're
going
with
these
to
really
think
about.
How
do
we
make
change
going
forward?
And
the
second
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
the
role
that
this
body
has
as
the
preservation
commission
to
be
able
to
work
with
us
and
to
be
able
to
talk
to
County
leadership
about
those
whether
it's
process
changes
legislation
changes
whether
it's
coming
up
with
new
tools
that
we
need
to
rely
on
you
all.
B
You
know,
as
the
preservation
commission
should
really
kind
of
speak
up
on
on
these
issues,
because
you
are
helping
shape.
You
know,
preservation
policy
just
as
much
as
we
are
on
the
stock
level,
especially
when
it
comes
to
do
so.
Just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
This
is
a
this
is
an
area
where
we're
going
to
really
need
to
work
together.
J
Father
are
we
on?
Are
we
on
the
like
the
incentive
tools
too,
and
the
regulations.
J
B
Nice,
okay,
well,
the
next
ones
are
actually
about
using
regulatory
Tools
in
more
flexible
ways
to
make
them
more
accessible.
In
fact,
so
this
one,
you
see,
objectives
that
are
actually
about
the
second
one.
Micro
districts
is
really
just
using
the
local
historic
district,
but
in
a
way
that
we
haven't
really
used
it
to
date,
which
is
instead
of
just
a
large
multi-resource
District
or
an
individual
building.
Thinking
about
small
multi-resources
enclaves
in.
B
B
Maybe
there's
not
quite
the
appetite
that
there
was
20
years
ago
for
designation
overall
in
the
county,
but
but
there
still
is,
as
Jerry
was
talking
about
people,
there
are
still
people
who
are
really
wanting
to
see
the
character
of
their
neighbor
Hood,
and
the
idea
of
these
micro
districts
might
be
something
to
build
on.
So
we
find
these
pockets
abilities
micro
districts
start
to
build
on
that,
and
people
can
then
see
the
impact
of
designation.
B
Between
the
other
is
sort
of
this
idea
of
you
guys
have
worked
with
Columbia
Pike,
so
not
exactly
like
Columbia
Pike,
but.
B
Idea,
we
call
them
neighborhood
Heritage
districts,
thinking
about
using
The
Local
District
overlay,
but
the
guidelines
would
be
more
about
scale
where
the
materials,
what
it
would
really
do,
is
create
an
environment
in
which
you
wouldn't
be.
C
B
You're,
not
so
micro
focused
on
things
like
windows,
or
you
know,
wouldn't
be
micro,
focused
so
much
on
materials,
but
it
would
be
focused
on
detail
materials,
but
it
would
be
focused
on
sort
of
maybe
pulled
back
a
little
bit,
and
so
this
might
work
in
places
where
there
isn't
so
much
fine
detailing.
But
where,
like
the
Rhythm
and
scale,
is
important,
where
the
story
is
really
important.
The
cultural
value,
the.
C
B
B
B
B
Vibe
there
there's
a
visitor
there,
there's
a
feeling,
there's
cultural
value
there.
How
do
you
recognize
and
honor
a
place
like
that?
That's
a
bit
different
than
Maywood,
whereas
the
traditional
architecture,
the
materials
and
the
character
so
trying
to
think
of
flexible
kind
of
creative
ideas
to
broaden
how
we
Preserve
places-
and
this
also
might
work
in
places.
We've
got
like
long-time
immigrant
communities
with
with
businesses
and.
C
B
C
G
C
B
Keep
it
working
District,
but
I
think
in
context.
You
know
as
part
of
your
engagement
Jackie
when
you're
talking
to
stakeholders
as
property
owners
and
Advocates.
There
was
this
desire
to
have
more
flexibility
to
be
less
stringent
and
I
think
this
is
a
way
getting
back
to.
What
we
were
all
talking
about
before
is
getting
that
buy-in.
How
do
we
get
the
community
support
for
preserving
place
community
that
offers
more
options
and
that's
what
this
goal
is
getting
I
mean
people
were
there
were
people
were
asking
about.
B
Okay,
I
was,
like
am
I,
saying
the
wrong
number.
People
were
asking
about
places
like
it
was
interesting
because
places
like
that
were
coming
up
and
they
were
saying
well
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
preserving
something
like
that?
So
I
think
right
now,
there's
interest
in
sort
of
these
quirkier
places,
but
but
we
also
recognize
that
maybe
the
traditional
way
that
we've
done
preservation.
B
But
not
quite
right:
it's
like
it's,
not
a
square
peg
in
a
round
hole.
It's
like
a
rectangular
Peg
and
a
square
hole
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
like
how
do
we
make
this?
How
do
we
make
this
work?
What
it
turns
out
is
we
have
the
tools.
We
just
have
to
think
a
little
bit
differently
about
how
you
and
so
I
think
you
have
some
people
who
are
interested
like
Cynthia's
had
interest.
B
J
A
B
J
D
J
B
No
to
get
a
sense
to
you
of
what
we're
calling
the
neighborhood
heritage.
District
like
the
city
of
Charlottesville,
has
something
very
similar
kind
of
what
inspired
this
suggestion.
You
know
they
have
what
they
call
Neighborhood
conservation
areas,
which
I
think
to
use
that
term
here
would
be
confusing,
because
we
have
conservation
areas
on
the
pipe.
We
had
a
neighborhood
of
conservation
program.
That's
now
called
something
else,
and
so,
but
basically
it's
that
light
concept.
J
J
G
Fast
yeah,
if
you
had
a
you,
could
have
a
historic
history
that
just
respects
the
historic
stuff
that
matters
that
the
developer
put
in
place,
because
that's
for
some
districts,
some
neighborhoods,
that's
really
what
defines
our
streets?
That's
what
that's!
What
defines
it
like?
Commonwealth
Avenue
in
Alexandria,
a
lot
of
people
think
that's
one
of
the
nicest
and
it's
because
of
the
saddlebacks,
okay
and
the
the
streetscape
and
that's
what's
being
destroyed
by
these
big.
B
B
I
mean
I,
agree
and
I.
Think
I
in
the
detail
when
you
read
what
we
are
saying
is
that
you
would
look
at
each
one
as
its
own
thing,
so
I
think
you
know
so
in
one
it
might
be
the
setback,
and
it
might
be
that
you
have
a
neighborhood.
You
know
some
of
your
neighborhoods
like
everything's
red
brick
right,
so
you
might
identify
a
material
and
that
you
might
suggest
a
material,
a
setback,
something
else
in
another
neighborhood.
B
It
might
be
about
scale
it
might
be
about
so
it
it
just
depends
on
who
you're
dealing
with
but
I
think
it
gives
you
a
chance
to
scale
down
how
you're
not
just
applying
all
the
guidelines
too.
B
B
We're
also
looking
at
what
kinds
of
resources
we
apply
regularly,
so
these
objectives
address
high
risk,
underrepresented
and
less
protected.
Archeology
did
we
skip
yours
or
something
you
wanted
to
talk
about?
Well,.
J
C
B
C
A
B
J
Yeah
and
I
think
Denver's
was
to
do
like
two
additional
stories.
Yeah
you.
B
So
in
the
underrepresented
stuff
that
we
rep,
we
called
out
a
couple
of
things.
First
and
just
generally,
we
talked
about
prioritizing
application
of
tools
to
the
highest
risk.
At
least
oh.
That
could
hide
any
number
that
could
be
high
risk
things
in
the
moment,
but
that
could
be
longer
term
high
risk
things.
So
you
can
think
about
the
HRI
calling
things
out,
but
keep
in
mind
the
HRI
is
has
not
comprehensively
so
we.
B
But
keep
in
mind
that
is
not
a
comprehensive
survey
of
the
county
that
everything
has
been
sorted
into:
we've
only
surveyed
a
certain
set
of
resources,
so
we
have
things
like
large
lot.
You.
C
B
Know
that
anything
that
has
a
larger
lot
is
high
risk,
for
example,
in
the
county.
We
have
so
just
thinking
through
kind
of
what
your
Rolodex
of
high
risk.
B
That
I
mean
large
lots
of
one
when
you
say
when
we
see
underrepresentatives
up
there
as
well
underrepresented.
We
can
always
talk
about
anything
that
tells
a
story
of
by
talk
community,
so
African-American
or
I.
A
C
B
Fraction
of
them
that
honor
African-American
history,
but
that's
where
the
diversity
stops,
we
don't
have
any
other
Vietnamese
cultures
and
people's
represented
within
our
own
historic
resources,
so
being
able
to
expand
that
cultural
tradition
and
Heritage,
especially
when
you
look
around
first,
you
can't
necessarily
hope
you
can't
necessarily
expect
I,
don't
know
if
your
goal
I
don't
know.
If
your
goal
is
to
be
exactly
representative
I,
don't
know
if
it
is,
but.
A
B
Different
than
any
other
jerks,
not
aspersions
to
Arlington
nationally,
we
are
very
low
percentage
of
the
net
in
terms
of
those
representations,
but
we're
getting
better.
So
just
when
you
think
about
doing
surveys,
when
you're
looking
at
National
register
nominations
when
you're
doing
things
it's
thinking
about
okay.
Well,
where
are
we?
What
don't?
What
haven't
we
capture
thought
about
all
and
how
to
you
know
like
I
love,
your
Garden
Apartments
did
I
worked
on
the
first
plan
right,
but
I
feel,
like
we've
done
a
lot
with
Garden
Apartments.
So
it's
probably
not
time.
B
B
Well,
I
mean
for
Henry
Gardens,
but
understanding
the
cultural
tradition
and
evolution
of
Garden
Apartments.
That
would
be
a
fascinating
study
how
the
groups
of
people
on
the
different
ethnicities
and
countries
that
have
been
represented
over
Garden
Apartments
over
the
past
several
decades.
We've
never
studied
that.
That.
C
B
H
C
B
B
C
G
Have-
and
this
you
were
just
saying,
is
I
haven't
read
the
whole
thing,
I
just
sort
of
went
through
it.
I
thought
this
was
going
to
be
more
about
a
plan
for
historic
research
when
I
started
reading
it.
It
looks
more
like
a
important
plan
for
the
historic
preservation
office.
Okay
and.
G
I
just
thought
that
it
would
look.
It
would
be
better
from
a
presentation
standpoint,
if
not
for
our
objective,
to
be
utterly
best
manage
your
story
from
a
governmentals
that,
to
the
extent
that
the
government
has
of
all
the
manager,
I
guess,
how
do
you
do
that
Arlington
rather
than
and
I
mean
even
adding
the
word
cultural
I
thought
that
that
was
going
to
refer
to.
C
G
B
G
G
With
them,
yeah
and
I
know
when
you
know,
maybe
10
years
ago
or
so
when
Jason
was
on
the
computer.
G
G
Which
you
could
argue
with
that
culture,
or
is
that
history?
You
know
about
what
it
was,
but
some
of
the
grants
that
they
gave
were
arguably
history
grants,
but
they
resisted
it
when
Jay
suggested
that,
yes,
those
grants
be
perhaps
divided
between
cultural
programs
that
the
history
pro
programs
be
eligible
for
those
grants.
G
So
they
said
no
and
I
think
because
there
was
some
discussion
as
to
whether
the
hlrb
should
have
a
role
like
the
Arts
commission
as
a
role
in
deciding
who
gets
those
grants
and
they
didn't
want
the
hlrp
that
or
helping
divide
the
money
at
all.
Okay,
but
I
think
it.
You
know,
especially
now
that
we're
talking
about
bringing
these
not
well
represented
groups
like
the
Vietnamese
cultural
Society.
G
Maybe
we
could
take
a
look
at
take
another
look
at
whether
that
ordinance
should
be
changed
to
allow
some
of
those
some
of
those
grants
to
be
an
HL
or
be
to
have
some
role
or
the
historical
information
have
some
role
in
deciding
we've
got
some
scraps.
B
Long
time,
throughout
our
planning
process
at
as
a
team,
but
also
with
other
accounting,
colleagues
and
staff,
as
well
as
County
leadership
about
the
appropriate
title,
and
we
felt
that
historic
preservation
captures
one
element
of
what
we
and,
as
you
read
the
plan
and
really
sit
with
it
and
digest
it.
You'll
see
that
many
of
the
goals,
a
lot
of
the
information
that's
presented
and
the
direction
that
we
want
to
take
the
program
is
more,
is
beyond
more
than
just
it's,
not
just
about
preserving
place,
specific
buildings
anymore.
B
It's
about
cultural
identity,
it's
about
building
a
sense
of
community,
and
so
we
felt
that
incorporating
the
word
cultural
into
our
title.
You
know
helps
underscore
that
and
I
think,
because
we
are
introducing
a
new
name
in
a
very
I
think
creative
and
aspirational
plan.
Overall,
that
there's
a
level
of
education,
that's
going
to
have
to
happen
and
Outreach
and.
B
That
we
are
going
to
need
to
do
as
staff
to
kind
of
explain
our
use
of
terminology
with
culture
and
historic
and
everything
in
between.
But
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
title
in
particular
captures
the
full
breadth
of
what
it
is.
We
are
trying
to
accomplish
as
a
program
which
is
a
great
segue
to
talk
about
the.
B
We
don't
have
yet
archeology
speaking
of
underrepresented
and
high
risk.
Archeology
is
here,
and
you
see.
Actually
this
is
pretty
lofty.
We
didn't
really
use
these
words,
yet
we
were
asked
to
make
sure
that
the
plan
was
aspirational
and.
C
B
B
Because
there's
no
way
that
the
people
that
you're
looking
at
can
do
this
in
addition
to
what
they
already
do,
and
so
this
is
a
really
a
big
change
and
I'm,
seeing
nationally
that
more
and
more
jurisdictions
are
adding
archeology
practice
for
a
long
time,
not
everyone.
B
But
you
know
it
was
easy
to
easier
to
ignore
what
was
underground
until
you
ran
into
something
that
you
couldn't
ignore,
but
I
think
more
and
more
jurisdictions
are
sort
of
realizing
like
it's
better
for
us
to
be
proactive
and
kind
of
figure
out
where
we
have
resources
and
where
there
are
stories
we
don't
want
to,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
a
really
exciting
thing
to
be
adding
in
I.
H
H
B
C
B
And
so,
but
what
we
often
see
with
these
programs
is
that
things
get
dug
up
when
there's
developed
right
and
so
a
lot
of
what
a
program
like
this
would
see
would
be,
and
you
see
some
of
it
now
I
know
observation
and
monitoring
work.
Oh
I,
don't
wanna
I'll!
Let
you
talk
about
that
if
you
want
but
I,
but
you
see
more
kind
of
working
with
folks
on
things
like
site
plan
review
but
beginning
you
know,
through
research,
you
can
get
a
sense.
So
every
Serena's
Serena
is
still
on
the
phone
I.
B
H
B
B
We
don't
have
something
on
paper
on
how
the
county
should
act
when
you
email,
Project,
A
or
B,
maybe
runs
into
a
potential
archaeological
site
and
we've
been
kind
of
doing
that.
B
Recommend
to
do
archaeological
monitoring
or
even
go
beyond
that
thinking
of
digging
there's
different
phases
that
archeology
goes
through
before
they
go
all
the
way
down,
dig
all
the
way,
10
feet
down:
double
toast
and
yeah
like
it's.
It's
it
there's
a
lot
more
before
you
get
to
that
step
and
we've
been
able
to
successfully
tell
a
developer
when
we
think
there
might
be
an
archaeological
site
that
they
should
do
that
before
they.
B
You
know
even
maybe
get
through
the
whole
site
plan
process,
because
it's
in
their
best
interest
s,
because
we
basically
say
if
you
hit
something
of
Interest
of
Interest.
Fortunately,
our
site
plan
conditions
say
that
if
there
is
maybe
some
type
of
archaeological
value
that
you
hit,
you
have
to,
you
have
to
contact
the
historic
preservation
office.
You.
A
B
J
B
Ended
up
doing
a
phase
one
a
phase
two
where
they
were
trying
to
see
if
there
was
no.
If
there
was
any
more
of
the
Alexandria
Canal
there
anymore
and
after
they
did
what
we
requested,
that
they
did,
we
determined
that
it
wasn't
there
if
it
hadn't
not
been
there
anymore,
that
development
had
basically
removed
it
at
some
point,
or
it
was
more
to
the
north
of
that.
A
B
A
A
B
B
You
need
to
formalize
it,
and
our
training
is
not
such
we're
all
trading,
these
architectural
historians
we've
dabbled
in
our
theology,
but
we
don't
need
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards
for
dealing
with
archeology
and
then
the
other
thing
I'll
add
to
especially
on
the
county
projects
on
County
property.
We
have
boxes
of
artifacts
of
things
that
have
been
collected
over
the
years
that
need
to
be
curated
properly
and
that
could
be
interpreted
and
they
could
be
part
of
public
education,
but
right
now,
they're,
sitting
office.
C
E
J
B
Right
last,
one
last
category
is
technology,
information
and
tools,
and
these
goals
address
the
information
that
we
need
to
do:
historic,
preservation,
planning
and
policy.
So
the
first
objectives,
which
is
this
slide
address.
This
is
our.
C
B
A
B
B
C
B
On
the
converse,
things
have
been
protected,
things
that
were
essential.
Some
now
have
easements.
Some
that
are
important
might
not
be
a
local
District,
so
we
have
to
assess
those.
We
also
need
to
assess
just
the
clarity
of
the
data
we
have
like
an
interception
listed
for
for
a
large
garden
apartment
like
Colonial
Village.
B
B
To
capture
more
accurately
being
able
to
correct
dates,
being
able
to
look
at
buildings
that
should
have
been
captured,
maybe
it
was
a
historic
commercial
building
or
a
shopping
center.
That
was
of
a
certain
age
but
for
whatever
reason,
was
not
surveyed
in
the
early
2000s
and
so
therefore
is
missing.
There
are
things
that
likely
have
come
of
age.
Do
we
expand
the
end
cap
or
when
is
the
like
period
of
significance
end?
B
H
B
H
B
B
For
example,
and
working
with
the
new
they
hire,
the
preservation
consultant
looked
up
all
the
historic
building
permit
records
and
drawings,
and
we
found
out
that
the
dates
that
we
have
in
the
HRI
are
not
quite
correct,
and
so
there's
little
things
like
that.
That
would
need
to
be
updated
to
make
it
as
useful,
but.
H
The
because
the
sympathy
is
that
the
buildings
aren't
going
to
come
off.
B
They
might
not
necessarily
come
off,
but
they
could
ship
categories.
Let's
say
something
has
been
altered
and
been
a
major
addition,
or
so
many
drastic
changes
that
it
no
longer
agrees
as
an
important
building.
There's
a
possibility.
It
could
shift
to
a
lower
category.
I
mean
that's
the
this
is
going
to
be
a
labor
intensity
or
update,
or
is
it
possible
that
something,
conversely,
is
it
possible
that
if
something
Bill
segregated.
A
B
C
C
B
Can
see
I
I'm
sorry
for
my
very
specific
ations
of
anxiety,
but
you
know
there
are
things
in
the
I
think
there
are
things
in
the
county,
dick
that
could
move
up
and
import
ant
because
after
17
years
their
their
colleagues,
if
you
will
are
gone.
So
maybe
it's
now
the
last
only
one
left
or
restaurant
homes
right,
it's
just
the
more
information.
B
B
Saw
in
one
of
the
neighborhoods
someone
cuts
the
top
off
of
it
and
added
a
second
story.
You
know
you
might
decide
it's
an
important
category,
because
it's
been
completely
thanks.
It's
not
to
you
know,
I
think
you
have
to
you're
gonna
have
to
weigh
what
still
has
its
significance
in
the
same
way
have.
G
You
thought
about
like
one
of
the
things
we
constantly
run
into
is
that
the
HR
does
include
resident
properties.
Well,
should
we
have
a
similar
tool.
B
Can
you
talk
about
what
we
want
for
Facebook
we've
been
thinking
over
the
years
that
it
would
make
sense
to
look
at
institutional
properties,
County
Properties
things
like
schools,
community
centers,
those
are
public
buildings.
Those
are
missing
and
I.
Think
from
a
long-term
maintenance
perspective
and
management
perspective.
H
B
B
Over
the
years,
but
I
think
to
broaden
it
beyond
what
we're
envisioning
is
phase
two
to
like
be
a
phase
three
to
capture
Residential
Properties
I.
Think
that
would
be
very,
very
challenging
to
do
here
in
Arlington
and
being
in
Virginia,
I
I.
Just
don't
know
if
that's
possible
I
know
I
wonder
if
you
could
do
something
I'm,
just
gonna
throw
this
out
here.
I,
don't
think
you
could
capture
an
HRI
I,
don't
know
I
wonder
if
you
could
do
something
where
you
did
it
by
neighborhood
and.
B
J
H
B
B
B
The
second
goal
looks
at
ways
to
increase
the
preservation
data
available
really,
and
so
it
gets
at
that
a
few
different
way,
different
ways
generally
looking
at
doing
additional
architectural
and
cultural
surveys
and
studies
specifically
completing
the
African-American,
multiple,
multiple
property
documentation,
Heritage
survey,
which
I
think
was
started
in
2016,
is
that
right,
Cynthia
at
least
I
think
before
that
sharing
Arlington's
historic
preservation,
data
information
and
physical
records.
So
just
acknowledging
like
there's
a
lot
of
information.
B
This
is
Broad,
but
there's
a
lot
of
information
here
in
this
building
and
people
are
interested
in
getting
it
so
thinking
through
kind
of
ways
to
make
that
available.
There's
a
lot
of
some
of
that,
maybe
we'll
be
lower
priority
or
harder
to
get
at
others,
might
be
a
little
bit
more
attainable
and
more
high
priority.
As
you
start
to
sort
through
that,
and
this
establishing
a
county-wide
historic
archival
records
program
and
Records
management
function.
This
again
would
require
staff.
B
B
It
would
actually
address
some
things
that
were
recommended
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
the
name
of
the
task
force
right,
Arlington,
history,
task
force,
the
county
had
a
county-wide
concerns
about
a
sort
of
lack
of
management,
of
the
historical
records
in
the
county,
and
so
we
saw
this
as
a
way
not
just
to
get
at
the
historic
preservation
records
for
the
historical
record-keeping
for
the
county.
B
The
risks
first
properties
into
historic
preservation,
Information
Systems,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
right
now
about
sustainability,
climate
change,
impacts
and
weather
impacts
about
you
know
the
kinds
of
risks
that
historic
properties
have
we've
been
talking
about,
risks
things
like
being
a
large
lot
property
right
if
they.
B
Pressures
and
sort
of
looking
at
how
do
we
look
at
these
preservation
systems
like
the
HRI
or
others,
where
you've
got
information
about
either
designated
or
surveyed
historic
properties?
And
how
do
you
begin
to
layer.
B
Information
about
risk
right
so
that
you
really
can
begin
to
get
proactive,
because
I
think
that
where
this
staff,
you
have
an
excellent
staff,
but
you
also
have
a
staff
that
is
often
driven
into
a
space
where
they're
every
as
these
things
come
in.
And
so
then
there's
kind
of
like
running
to
get
those
things
handled
and.
B
Begin
to
see
like
this
risk
risk,
these
are
the
risks
that
are
likely
to
come
down
the
pike
for
these
different
things
and
to
begin
to
do
things
like
maybe
reach
out
to
a
series
of
hey.
You
know
you
know
we're
interested
in
talking.
Are
you
interested
in
talking
to
us
about
possible
preservation,
et
cetera
kind.
B
B
Yeah,
so
you
know
we,
we
hope
you
feel
inspired
now
to
really
you
know,
dive
into
the
plan
and
read
through,
hopefully
the
whole
thing,
but
particularly
those
areas
of
interest
that
resonated
with
you
from
our
conversation
tonight
and
as
you're
reading.
You
know
consider
going
to
the
link
there
and
we'll
share
this
PowerPoint
with
you
tomorrow
we
have
an
online
feedback
form
that
is
on
our
program
page.
That
corresponds
to
specific
aspects
of
the
plan.
We
would
love
for
your
feedback.
B
We
would
love
for
you
to
be
able
to
share
that
with
your
friends,
neighbors
Associates
others
who
might
be
interested
in
historic
preservation
and
then
you'll
be
hearing
us
talk
about
it
over
the
coming
months.
You
know
there
will
be
opportunities
to
work
with
us
to
help
be
champions
in
the
community,
about
the
plan
and
what
it
represents.
We
have
lots
of
pop-ups
we're
going
to
be
going
to.
B
We
have
our
big
Community
open
house
that
we've
been
telling
you
about
on
a
Saturday
May
6th,
and
thank
you
to
those
who
volunteered
to
help
with
us
help
us
with
that.
But
there's
going
to
be
many
opportunities
to
continue
you
to
stay
engaged
and
then,
as
we
get
closer
to
the
summer
time
frame
and
we're
responding
to
all
the
feedback
not
only
from
the
HRV
but
also
from
the
public
at
large
and
making
a
final
draft
version
of
this
plan
that
we
would
present
to
the
County
Board.
C
B
On
the
plan's
behalf
at
the
public,
so
there's
many
different
ways
for
you
to
stay
involved.
We
will
definitely
return
to
you
all
in
August,
as
our
Target
to
continue
the
conversation.
We
can
go
through
each
goal
again.
We
can
just
focus
on
that
out,
but
we
really
do
value
your
input,
especially
especially
for
us
and
all
of
our
our
daily
work.
F
B
Does
that
that'll
be
the
end
step
so
right
now,
with
the
plan
release
just
having
happened,
our
big
pushes
for
Community
engagement
and
so
Michael's
been
working
really
hard
behind
the
scenes
to
make
sure
that
we
can
go
to
all
different
types
of
community
events,
whether
it's
farmers
markets,
other
events
that
are
happening
and
happening
in
the
county
that
we're
picking
piggybacking
on
and
having
a
presence.
Our
big
open
house
is
specifically
about
this
plan,
this
plan
and
what
we
do
as
a
program.
B
So
there's
many
and
and
the
other
main
purpose
of
all
that
engagement
too,
of
course,
is
to
get
a
community
what's
resonating.
Are
there
things
missing?
Are.
B
That
are
confusing.
We
need
to
be
able
to
analyze
that
over
these
coming
the
final
draft
of
the
plan,
and
so
the
final
step
then
would
be
going
to
the
County
Commission,
so
we
would
Planning
Commission.
We
would
ultimately
need
to
go
to
the
county
board,
so
the
board
would
need
to
adopt
this
update
to
the
to
the.
B
Our
Target,
for
that
is
October,
so
we
would
like
to
come
back
to
the
hlrb
in
August
kind
of
for
another
round
of
discussion.
Hopefully,
some
type
of
formal.
I
B
That
forward
to
advertise
with
both
the
board
and
then
the
actual
adoption
at
both
the
Planning
Commission
board
so
late
summer
into
early
fall,
is
going
to
be
the
English
for
the
public
hearings,
and
so
there
will
be
many
opportunities.
Beyond
tonight,
obviously
obvious
engage.
Ask
questions.
Give
us
comments.
Do
they
have
any
engagement
plans
for
developers?
I,
don't
know
if
they
belong
to?
They
belong
to
an
Arlington
Chamber
of
Commerce.
What
is
that
or
small
businesses?
I'm,
not
sure
the
developers
are
really
kind
of
an
organized
to
be
or
interviewed
a
couple.
A
B
B
B
C
J
C
B
C
C
D
No,
it
sounds
like
you
guys
have
covered
quite
a
bit
of
ground
work
and
everything
sounds
good.