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A
B
F
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
joining
the.
A
F
F
Okay,
hearing
none,
we
go
ahead
to
approval
of
notes.
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
printout,
but.
F
Okay,
any
discussion
or
any
edits
or
anything
for
the
minutes
before.
Okay,
so
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
and
it
passes.
Thank
you.
F
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
arva.
So.
D
We're
gonna
actually
switch
to
arba
and
Crystal
Towers
three
in
order
so
that
the
crystal
Towers
team
can
walk
over
to
the
Planning
Commission.
After
this.
F
D
Okay,
so
I
can
start
us
off,
so
I
have
a
a
quick
handout
that
I'll
go
over
and
then
I'll
pass
it
over
to
the
applicant
team.
D
Okay,
so
Crystal
Towers,
three,
it's
a
site
plan.
It's
located
at
1600,
South,
EAD
Street
in
Crystal
City,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
new
residential
building
and
the
new
retail
building
the
proposed
Residential
Building
is
up
to
10
stories.
Continuing
209
units
and
the
retail
building
would
be
one
story
and
have
about
23
000
square
feet
of
retail.
D
D
Additionally
the
applicant
will
be
contributing
1.4
million
dollars
to
the
ahif,
affordable
housing
investment
fund
to
earn
additional
density,
and
so
this
is
for
many
of
the
same
reasons
as
you
heard
two
months
ago,
with
the
Americana
Hotel
site
plan,
but
the
main
reasons
for
accepting
cash
instead
of
on-site
units
here
and
you
will
hear
a
site
plan
after
this
with
on-site
units.
D
But
the
main
reason
here
is
for
the
leveraging,
so
cash
contributions
do
leverage
more
affordable
units
off-site
and
for
longer
affordability
periods
than
on-site
caps,
and
this
is
the
especially
the
case
of
projects
located
in
areas
where
the
rent
differential
between
market
and
affordable
rents
are
especially
High.
D
So
for
this
project,
the
county
will
be
able
to
provide
the
Gap
financing
for
about
18
units
at
the
Crystal
House's
infill
development
project,
which
the
county
has
already
made
a
commitment
to
and
entered
into
an
agreement
with
a
development
team.
For
so
that
1.4
million
dollars
basically
would
be
leveraged
into
18
units
at
Crystal
houses,
whereas
the
county
would
only
be
receiving
probably
five
or
six
units
through
the
site
plan
process.
And
then
again
you
know
those
units
at
Crystal
house
will
be
affordable
for
99
years
as
opposed
to
the
standard
30-year
term.
D
That's
received
from
site
plans
and
then,
in
conjunction
with
that,
with
that
policy,
consideration
is
the
budget.
The
county
has
made
some
significant
and
recent
Financial
commitments
being
the
bar
Croft
departments,
where
the
county
opened
a
150
million
dollar
line
of
credit
to
help
acquire
and
keep
that
affordable
for
99
years,
and
then
the
53
million
dollar
anticipated
ask
for
The
Gap
financing
for
crystal
house.
D
So
both
of
those
are
big
policy
considerations.
There
is
one
for
this
site
plan
that
does
differ
from
Americana
Hotel,
so
in
talking
with
housing
staff,
compliance
notes
that
where
the
contribution
is
usually
six
around
six
or
less
caps,
it
really
doesn't
benefit
from
economies
of
scale
in
terms
of
administration
and
monitoring
so
much.
D
This
applies
to
the
time
required
per
unit
for
both
ownership
and
management
and
County
staff,
so
really
for
all
involved.
D
A
D
E
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Robert
Bond
I'm
with
wet
properties
and
I'm
joined
by
Johns
from
the
Casey
Architects
and
cummings
from
Walter
Luigi.
We're
here
to
talk
about
our
application
workers,
Crystal
Towers.
Three.
The
application
covers
the
portion
of
the
existing
Crystal
Towers
property
that
runs
on
E
Street,
and
this
is
on
the
Block,
founded
by
each
15
South
ferns,
on
18th
Street
and
just
for
orientation.
The
crystal
houses
site
is
located
just
one
block
to
the
South.
E
The
application
proposes
to
redevelop
two
existing
surface
parking
lots
one
within
the
weapon
story,
mixed
use,
building
containing
209
units
and
eight
thousand
square
feet
around
4
retail
and
a
single
story,
retail
building
containing
over
19
000
square
feet.
E
Here
you
can
see
the
ground
floor
plan.
The
mixed
use,
Residential
Building
is
located
on
an
existing
surface
parking
lot,
just
north
of
Crystal
Flats,
with
8
000
square
feet
of
retail,
fronting
on
each
Street
and
then
moving
up
to
the
north.
Closer
to
the
intersection
of
15th
and
East
is
the
single
story,
retail
building
that
contains
just
for
19..
E
Here
you
can
see
an
existing
site
aerial.
The
locations
of
the
two
proposed
buildings
is
generally
outlined
in
red
and
then
here's
the
proposed
aerial,
rendering
you
can
see
the
11
story-
mixes
multi-family
building
just
north
of
Crystal
Flats.
The
existing
driveway
going
up
to
Bristol
Towers
is
essentially
in
the
same
location,
but
it's
fully
renovated
with
wetter
sidewalks
and
expanded
plantings,
and
then
the
19
000
square
foot,
retail,
edging
up
towards
15th
and
Eads.
E
E
B
F
The
county
has
made
a
commitment
to
a
different
site,
didn't
fund
it
and
then
they're
using
projects
like
this,
where
we
could
get
additional
units
to
fund
units
we've
already
sort
of
promised
but
didn't
fund,
which
I
think
is
a
bad
deal
for
the
county
overall
I
understand
why
staff
is
proposing
this
and
it
makes
sense
from
you
know
we
we're
looking
for
money
to
do
the
things
that
the
County's
already
committed
to,
but
I
see
this.
F
As
you
know,
we
could
have
gotten
physics
more
units
on
site
at
this
property
and
the
additional
crystal
house
is
used
that
we're
already
sort
of
agreed
to,
and
instead
we're
just
going
to
get
what's
already
been
agreed
to
so
I,
don't
see
that
as
the
best
deal
for
increasing
our
affordable
housing
Supply,
but.
D
Yeah
yeah
I
hear
that
concern.
I
I
did
not
mention
one
point
in
my
presentation
which
I
do
want
to
make,
and
that
is
that
housing
is
getting
about
1.4
out
of
the
about
2.4
million
dollar
overall
package
here
so
affordable
housing
is
getting
over.
50
percent
of
that
earned
density
package.
D
There's
some
Transportation
improvements
and
I
believe
a
public
space
contribution
or
funding
towards
that
as
well.
But
housing
is,
is
earning
most
of
the
or
getting
the
benefit
of
most
of
the
urn
density
on
this
site.
J
That
was
that's
always
on
on-site
units
optional
right,
you
you,
it
can
always
hurt
his
cash
right
correct.
So.
D
Or
is
it
always
cash
it?
The
past?
We
have
seen
that
developers
choose
applicants
to
choose
to
do
cash
instead
of
on-site
units
we've
and
that's
a
a
pretty
well-known
Trend.
So
that
is
somewhat
what
we
expect,
but
the
decision
does
not
have
to
be
made
now.
It
just
has
to
be
made
before
the
first
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
it's
a
decision
that
is
made
multiple
years
down
the
line,
but
it's
entirely
within
what
control
of
the
development
yeah.
It's
100
the
applicants
option
yeah.
J
So
I
would
join-
or
let's
add
my
voice
to
what
Kellen
said
and
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this,
because
for
that
reason,
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
project
that
it
would
be
great
if
some
low-income
folks
would
get
to
take
advantage
of
that
beautiful
service.
We
know
that
crystal
houses,
but
that's
going
to
be
a
beautiful
building
as
well
I.
D
J
That
but
I
feel
like
the
the
loss
of
net
overall,
affordable
units
is,
is
something
to
protest.
This
is
a
protest
vote,
no
doubt
about
it
and
also
as
I've
been
thinking
about
this
in
the
Americana
site.
I
feel
like
sort
of
got
a
pig
and
a
poke
with
crystal
houses
deal
they
all.
They
took
on
the
obligation
to
deliver
these
affordable
units
without
a
source
to
pay
for
them,
which
naturally
created
an
opportunity
for
developers
naturally
to
offload
their
affordable
units
there.
And
so
you
could.
You
know
the
difference.
J
There's
Crystal
City
in
there
there's
Crystal,
City
I.
Think
the
northern
part
of
Crystal
City
is
not
going
to
have
any
new,
affordable
units
in
it,
because
they're
all
going
to
end
up
in
the
old,
crystal
houses
and
I
think
that's
regrettable,
so
I
I
think
you
know
it's
sort
of
it's.
J
You
know
it
may
not
have
been
the
best
deal,
but
it's
what
we
have
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
affordable
units
in
that
neighborhood,
where
there
weren't
before.
So
that's
all
for
the
good.
So
this
is
a
you
know,
the
ultimate
in
sort
of
shaking
my
fist,
but
I
think
the
project
is
great.
I
know
you
all
get
approved
and
I
think
you
know.
God
bless,
you
I
think
right.
A
G
J
B
K
I
Well,
I,
don't
really
know
like
the
procedure,
so
apologies
fun.
It's
my
first
meeting,
but
you
know
I
read
through
this
and
I
have
questions
about
what
happens
to
the
money,
so
the
1.4
million
right
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
this
would
be
kind
of
to
offset
a
previous
deal
where
the
county,
like
needs
money
to
kind
of
for
affordable
housing
units.
D
So
for
this,
this
project
and
one
we
heard
in
April
so
yeah,
so
the
county
has
entered
into
an
agreement
with
a
development
team
at
a
site.
That's
very
close
to
this
one
to
produce
a
significant
amount
of
affordable
units
over
655,
affordable
units
at
this
crystal
houses
site,
and
they
they
will
be
asking
the
county
for
53
around
53
million
dollars
to
bring
those
655
units
forward
and
complete
them.
D
D
There
was
not
that
much
money,
and
so
it
is
staff.
Is
you
know,
proposing
to
to
help
meet
that
53
million
dollar
obligation
to
use
funds
from
the
development
teams,
but
specifically
the
ones
in
the
same
area
so
Crystal
City,
so
that
it
will
be
delivering
units
in
the
same
area?
D
So
yeah
did
that
fully
answer
your
question.
Basically,
there's
a
big
cost
that
hasn't
been
paid
yet,
but
will
need
to
be
paid,
and
this
money
will
help
offset.
I
In
that
first
sentence,
where,
like
the
the
mean,
the
base,
affordable
housing
requirements
again
from
what
I'm
gathering
in
terms
of
the
context
of
the
conversation,
there
is
a
the
the
developers,
have
a
choice
of
either
building
affordable
units
or
providing
the
cost.
I
guess
like
the
819
000.,
and
so
the
developers
are
choosing
to
put
the
800
000
instead
of
developing
instead
of
incorporating
affordable
housing
into
those
buildings.
D
Yeah
so
yeah,
these
are
like
really
good
questions
and
we
actually,
like
recently
had
a
presentation
on
the
base
ordinance
and
next
month,
we're
actually
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
the
bonus,
and
so
it
is
sort
of
two
separate
things.
D
They're.
You
know
two
different
calculations
and
the
base
ordinance
really
is
a
calculation.
It's
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
says
you
know
based
on,
however
many
square
feet.
This
is
above
the
base.
This
is
how
much
you're
going
to
have
to
pay,
and
so
that's
what
it
is
for
this
project,
so
the
base
will
be
eight
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
likely
or
those
few
units
plus
the
1.4.
So
with
the
base
plus
the
bonus
it
does,
it
does
go
over
2
million
two
point:
two
million.
I
D
So
the
coastal
houses,
so
Crystal
houses
is
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
interesting
site.
There
are
crystal
houses,
one
and
two
which
currently
have
people
staying
in
them,
but
for
what
we're
talking
about?
It's
an
infill
opportunity,
so
they're
building
up
buildings
around
that.
So.
D
Current
residents
at
this
building
for
the
funding
that
well.
F
Buildings,
yeah
Alex
question,
so
I
noticed
in
the
we
didn't
have
anything
about
the
accessible
units
so.
D
D
The
applicant
has
two
percent,
which
is
either
six
or
seven
units
I,
think
six,
five,
five,
okay,
okay,
so
yeah
two
percent
of
209
is
five
market
rate
type,
A
Accessible
and
another
question
that
was
asked
that
wasn't
in
the
handout
but
asked
last
time
was
about
basically
history
of
the
developer
and
they
have
not
submitted
a
site
plan
in
the
last
10
years.
F
But,
and
is
that
something
that
moves
forward,
we
could
get
in
the
memo,
even
when
they're,
not
back
just
market
rate
units,
you
just
the
information
about
the
accessible
units
and
I
know
we
had
a
separate
discussion
when
we
were
talking
about
the
draft
Equity
framework
about
other
data
that
gets
presented
to
the
County
Board,
which
has
a
very
long
report.
F
But
if
there's
a
way
to,
if
we
have
data
on
other
sort
of
protected
groups,
particular
set
time
projects
that
we
could
add
those
that
would
be
helpful
but
happy
to
have
more
of
a
conversation
about
what
that
could
look
like
and
because
you
know
we
don't
want
this
to
start.
Looking
like
the
board
report,
because
just
a
lot
more
to
have
to
digest,
but
there's
a
way
to
do
that
in
a
way.
That's
right.
D
Yeah
so
in
the
board
report
that
was
sent
out
earlier
this
morning
on
page
31
of
the
draft
board
report,
there
is
an
equity
principles,
section
I,
don't
think
it
necessarily
gets
to
what
you're
speaking
at
it
kind
of
mostly
covers
what
we've
already
covered
here
today
but
yeah.
Obviously,
I
would
like
to
keep
those
talks
going
and
figuring
out
how
we
can
provide
that
better.
D
L
I
first
want
to
say
that
Paul
your
comments
resonated
with
me,
so
you
said
it
a
lot
better
than
I
ever
could
so
I'd
like
to
associate
with
that
and
then
is
there
I
wish
there
were
more
accessible
units
in
every
one
of
our
developments,
because
even
if
we
make
we
may
temporarily
not
need
them,
we
eventually
will
depending
on
what
happens
in
our
lives
or
our
aging
I'd,
be
interested
in
knowing
what's
the
distribution
of
like
Studios
one
bedrooms,
two
bedrooms
I
mean
how
many
of
these
units
might
be
appropriate
for
families
yeah.
L
E
In
terms
of
the
proposed
unit
mix,
yes,
we're
proposing
30
Studios
24
Junior,
one
bedrooms,
99
one
bedrooms,
21
Junior,
two
bedrooms
and
35
two
bedrooms.
How.
E
L
E
Own
both
Crystal
flats
and
Crystal
Towers,
and
so
the
crystal
Towers
was
built
in
the
mid
60s
that
has
56
three
bedrooms
and
two
four
bedrooms
and
even
the
the
two
bedrooms
there
are
almost
average
1400
square
feet.
So
they
are
very
large
kind
of
family
style
units.
We
are
trying
to
diversify
the
unit
mix
overall
in
trying
to
propose
units
that
we
don't
currently
that
we
can't
currently
offer
to
potential
teams.
E
So
we're
complying
with
the
Green
Building
incentive
program,
so
that
requires
lead
gold
certification
meeting
the
20
energy
performance,
along
with
the
whole
host
of
other
prerequisites
related
to
bird
glass
and
kind
of
popular.
I
I
have
more
questions
so
this
building,
obviously
it
you
know
with
having
the
three
bedrooms:
four
bedrooms
like
there's
families
living
there,
that
surrounding
area,
like
you
know
when
kids
are
around
like,
are
there?
What
I've
noticed
is
like
when
new
developments
come
up?
It's
very
like
keep
everything
pristine,
don't
sit
here,
don't
sit
there
type
thing
and
in
our
County
like
we
want
to
incentivize
the
younger
kids
to
be
out.
Like
you
know,
we
have
a
really
big
problem
with
like
mental
health,
all
that
stuff.
I
I
Are
there
any
I?
Don't
know
I
don't
know
if
this
is
like
relevant
to
this
specific
conversation,
but
I
would
like
to
bring
up
the
point
that,
instead
of
taking
up
space,
for
example,
this
parking
lot
that
could
be
used
for
something
like
that
for,
like
kids
or
Recreation,
or
something
like
of
the
sort
like
with
with
this
hinder
that
right,
especially
in
that
area
where
there
are
parks.
There
are
little
areas
where
people
can
like
get
together
and
sit,
and
everything
like
that.
But
it's
not
very
like
kid-friendly.
I
I
J
E
Property
yeah
from
from
a
park
perspective
so
with
the
delivery
of
Amazon
and
their
face,
the
the
phase,
one
of
their
hq2,
which
is
located
just
one
block
north.
So
that
does
include
a
brand
new
children's
playground
along
with
I.
Think
one
of
the
larger
and
nicer
parks
in.
E
The
Gramercy,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
playground
and
the
kids,
were
playing
there
late
at
night,
very
good.
It
might
actually
surprised
so
in
terms
of
what
you're
talking
about
you
know.
One
of
the
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
project
is
that
we
are
taking.
What
is
today's
service
asphalt
parking
and
we
are
converting
it
into
more
usable
space,
so
we're
able
to
expand
the
plantings
on
the
interior
of
the
site,
and
then
this
isn't
I
think
exactly
what
you're
getting
to.
E
But
we
do
see
this
as
additive
to
all
three
communities
that
we
have
given
that
we
own
Crystal
Flats,
given
that
we
own
Crystal
towers
that
we
have
Incorporated
this
outdoor
programmable
space.
So
this
is
intended
to
be
artificial
turf
where
we
could
run
classes
or
run
events
that
would
bring
members
from
all
three
of
those
communities,
or
particularly
the
public.
This.
This
there's
nothing,
there's
no
Gates
here,
there's
nothing
stopping.
E
I
E
Yeah,
the
retail
right
here
is
being
built
over
that
service
parking
lot.
Okay,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
realized
in
looking
at
the
historic
operations
of
the
building
going
back
several
years
is
that
this
was
still
built
under
a
different
Paradigm.
And
then
we
weren't
using
all
the
parking
that
we
had,
and
so
was
there
a
ability
to
transform
that
kind
of
underutilized
surface
parking
surface
asphalt
into
something
that
might
be
more
productive
and
contributing
towards.
B
E
We
we
do
have
one
level
of
low
grade
parking,
but
we're
adding
42
spaces
onto
the
existing
parking
garage.
Okay,
so
we
are
building
what
we
believe
is
sufficient
marketing
to
make
up
for
that's.
F
B
F
When
they're
doing
the
density
negotiations
and
things
other
than
Community
benefits,
related,
really
Transportation
or
like
parks
and
other
spaces
like
that
and
then
affordable
housing,
are
they
able
to
talk
about
like
unit
size
and
bedrooms
numbers
like?
Does
the
county
have
any
of
the
work?
You
would
be
able
to
say
hey
as
a
county.
We
need
more
three
bedrooms,
so
we'd
like
to
see
more
of
that
in
exchange
for
additional
density
or.
D
So
so,
yes,
and
if
there
was
on-site
units
as
part
of
a
density
package,
the
county
does
have
the
ability
to
say
we
want
to
prioritize
family
size
units
or
three
bedroom
units.
D
For
affordable
yeah,
so
right,
yes,
no,
there's
no
control
over
the
market
rate
size
of
it,
but
but
yes
for
affordable
units,
they
do
have
that
ability.
Obviously
family
size
units
are
valued
higher,
so
they
would
take
up
more
the
package
and
it
is
somewhat
exponential.
So
thank
you.
Three
bedroom
units
are
even
much
more
expensive
than
two
bedrooms.
The
challenge
is.
A
Double
booking
people
I
told
Joanne
that
you
know
we
can't
rush
you
guys
and
she
goes
here.
I
thought
you
were
splitting
I
think
everybody
gets
the
benefit
of
our
team
being
here
to
discuss
everything
with
them.
Like
yeah,
you
matter
too,.
M
Ask
that
question,
which
was:
is
there
something
that
the
county
can
do
when
it's
in
negotiations
to
get
Developers
off
the
dime
and
be
willing
to
put
in
more
than
just
the
minimum
building
code,
two
percent
for
type
A
units,
and
it's
kind
of
also
prompted
by
this
week?
I
attended
a
fair
housing,
a
hug,
Fair
Housing
Act
training,
and
they
were
going
all
over
the
various
codes
that
are.
M
To
you
know,
construction
of
accessible
units
and
in
the
second
thing
is
how
stringent
is,
is
the
inspections
right
code
enforcement
to
ensure
the
fair
housing
shave?
Harbors
are
reinforced
at
the
local
level
when
new
projects
are
built.
The
last
part
of
that
which
is
kind
of
off
the
topic
of
these
are
numbered
units.
M
Is
it
is
weather
the
county
can
do
something
to
ensure
that
developers
are,
unfortunately,
the
fair
housing
act,
as
I
understood
was
presented
by
hood,
that
they
should
have
already
set
policies
for
requesting
accommodations
and,
in
particular,
accommodations
like
parking
spaces
that
are
research
for
Christians
with
with
disabilities,
and
and
so
that's
the
question.
D
So,
starting
with
the
first
question,
Can
the
county,
basically
incentivize,.
D
Can
pay
for
private
ee
I
I,
don't
want
to
say
too
much
on
that
I'm,
not
aware
of
how
the
the
type
a
negotiation
happens.
I
mean.
Obviously
there
is
the
two
percent
Baseline
that
they
have
to
meet
and
as
long
as
they
meet
that
I
I
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
reason
that
the
county
could
could
stop
the
development
going
forward.
D
M
Now
ensure
that
that
the
the
from
the
effect
of
the
standards
will
have
in
place
policies
dirty
requesting
communist
accommodations
and
how
they
will
handle,
for
example,
reasonable
modifications
within
some
of
these
forced
to
who
leads
a
modification
of
physical
modification.
M
What
policies
to
hopefully
ensure,
for
example,
that
the
tenant
doesn't
have
to
pay
for
not
just
to
their
own
Apartments
modifications
but
modifications
to
Common
units.
But
so
so
that's
the
kind
of
thing.
But
the
question
one
related
to
the
the
type
A
units
but
question
two
actually
related
to
the
required
minimum
accessibility
under
for
housing
act
so
that
that
required
all.
D
M
Incentive
thing
came
from
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
because
you
know
it's
saying
we
want
to
incentivize
more
accessible
units,
but
the
question
is.
M
Like
like
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
the
nofa
for
the
the
nofa
process
for
the
affordable
housing
investment
fund
does
have
a
bonus
small
score
for
for
accessible
units.
You
know
going
from
Beyond
the
two
percent
to
the
10,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
it's,
because
there's
so
many
projects
that
are
going
through
without
without
you
know,
the
the
families
or
the
developers
will
say
well,
we've
got
our
minimum
in
there
and
that's
all
of
us
and
and
and
and
then
you
know,
we
kind.
M
F
For
mailing
Lisa
Alex
does
the
county
have
any
authorium
I
guess
if
the
answer
is
no
in
a
site
plan
negotiation
to
negotiate
like
having
the
applicant
set
aside
a
fund
for
reasonable
modifications
for
disabled
residents,
which
is
another
way
like
if
they're
not
going
to
build
them
up
front,
you
would
think
you
could
sort
of
negotiate
hey
set
aside
20
grand
a
year
so
that,
if
you
have
residents
who
need
reasonable
modifications
instead
of
having
them
pay
out
of
pocket,
they
can
dip
into
this
fund.
F
And
it's
okay.
If
you
don't
answer
that
question.
F
And
get
back
to
you,
my
assumption
is
no,
because
it
seems
to
be
no
on
everything
that
we
ask
about
site
plan
negotiation
Authority.
F
It
also
makes
me
think
next
month
we're
going
to
talk
about
legislative
priorities
at
the
state
level
that
talking
about
about
having
the
county
endorse,
broader
site
plan.
Negotiating
Authority
is
important
because
it
coming
up
we
heard
last
month
about
they
couldn't
do
anything
around
it
habitability
for
the
units,
because
they
don't
consider
the
to
have
an
ability
to
be
something
inherent
to
the
like
Residential
Building
or
something
it's
ridiculous
thing,
but
but
yeah
I
think
you
know
same
thing
with
bedroom
size
and
other
factors
that
we
talk
about.
F
A
Units
in
the
new
building
it'll
be
market,
and
so
it's
determined
more
at
all.
These
opening
so
it'll
be
similar
to
what
you
know.
Americana
would
cost,
depending
on
sport
or
any
other
newer
buildings.
I'm
really
probably
comparable
even
to
the
rents
are
right
now
and
what
they
would
be
in
a
few
years.
N
K
A
L
The
crystal
Towers
three
site
plan
before
us,
but
I'd,
like
the
communication
accompanying
this,
to
reflect
some
of
the
issues
that
we
continue
to
raise
about,
including
more
accessible
units
in
the
buildings.
The
continuing
concern
about
the
Paul
raised
that
it
seems
I'm
not
trying
to
offend
anybody
here.
It.
L
Seems
too
easy
for
the
developers
to
take
the
option
of
spending
money
someplace
else
instead
of
having
some
affordable
units
so
that
we
have
some
diversity
of
the
types
of
people
living
in
these
buildings,
which
I
think
is
a
desirable
goal,
we're
better
when
we
have
a
mix
of
people
in
these
buildings,
I
think
that's
a
goal
that
we
all
share,
whether
elderly,
disabled,
different
economic
backgrounds.
Whatever
so
you
know,
it's
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lovely
project.
L
We
gotta
find
a
way
to
work
with
the
county
with
the
board
and
our
staff
to
create
some
sort
of
way
of
you
know
new
policy,
maybe
something
connected
to
nofas
legislative
I
mean
we
should
explore
all
the
different
ways.
We
could
really
push
this
to
The
Advocate.
L
It
won't
happen
overnight,
but
I'm
I'm
getting
frustrated
with
raising
the
same
concerns
because
it's
become
you
know,
I
think
developers
just
expect
they
could
do
this
and
you
know
that's
a
rational
decision
from
your
point
of
view,
but
we
have
a
different
concern
that
we'd
like
to
push
and
make
these
really
great
developments
available
with
more.
F
People
diverse
people,
okay,
were
you
reaching
it
for
a
second
or
did
you
have
a.
K
I
I
K
And
yeah
and
it's
like-
we
actually
want
to
make
policy
change.
Maybe
we
need
to
have
a
work
group
or
switch
something
because
I
mean
this
is
half
of
the
right.
They're
gonna
do
what's
best
for
them
and
their
investors,
so
us
voting
and
suggesting
oh
do
this
and
that
it's
not
gonna
happen
no
intended
to
do
it.
So
maybe
we
do
need
a
work
group
to
try
and
push
the
county
to
live
somewhere.
K
F
Mind
no
I
appreciate
that.
F
H
D
O
F
No
okay,
commissioner
Blake.
L
F
Rube
will
help
yes,
commissioner
Montgomery
commissioner
Escobar
okay,
that
was
you
guys
made
this
hard.
Okay.
A
Passes,
thank
you
Mom.
Thank
you
very
much.
You
know
we
frequently
do
on-site
units.
It
just
completely
depends
on
the
situation
away.
Negotiation,
though
that
doesn't
detract
at
all
for
the
points.
A
B
D
Not
the
arva
is
not
so,
and
that
is
because
they
are
not
going
to
the
County
Board
until
July
we're
getting
them
a
month
early
and
just
kind
of
has
to
do
with
how
our
agenda
has
shaken
out,
and
the
contribution
was
basically
finalized
in
time
for
this
meeting.
So
we
decided
to
go
ahead.
F
But
realize
I'm
not
sure
you
scream
feeling
these
are
tentatively
or
almost
been
ours
and
for
like
two
months
in
a
row,
yes
yeah
I'm.
O
Hey
everyone
I
just
wanted
to
align
myself
with
commissioner
Brown's
comments
and
I
was
wondering
if
that
could
be
included
in
our
letter
that
we
said
before.
F
Yes,
and
with
that
letter,
everyone
will
have
a
chance
to
review
it,
make
revisions
as
well.
In
case
we
miss
anything,
try
to
get
people.
D
K
K
D
Moving
on
to
the
the
second
site
plan
here
of
the
night,
this
site
is
at
2201,
Arlington,
Boulevard
right
on
Pershing
and
50
there,
and
what
is
being
proposed
is
the
demolition
of
the
existing
Days
in
Hotel
and
the
development
of
an
eight-story
up
to
eight
stories.
Mixed-Use
building
with
ground
floor
retail,
there
will
be
251
residential
units
and
2
900
square
feet
of
retail,
and
this
is
located
within
the
Pershing
Drive
special
land
use
study
area,
which
I
will
get
to
a
little
bit
more
in
a
second.
D
So
just
a
quick
refresher
for
everyone
on
the
general
land
use
plan
So
the
plan
establishes
the
overall
character,
extent
and
location
of
various
uses
and
serves
as
the
guide
for
decision
making
related
to
Future
development,
also
called
The
Glove.
The
glove
mat
conveys
guidance
through
Landings
designations,
which
indicate
a
range
of
densities
and
typical
uses
for
a
particular
location.
D
D
And
so
this
site
is
not
within
a
sector
plan
area
in
Arlington.
So
the
applicant
Arlington
Boulevard
LLC
submitted
an
application
for
a
special
gloves
study
for
the
property
and
they
basically
request
requested
the
Glo
Amendment
from
low
medium
residential
and
service
commercial
to
low
office
apartment
hotel
with
an
associated
rezoning.
D
So
that
process
began
in
October
2020
and
then
the
the
study
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
July
2021.,
so
the
main
takeaway
from
a
affordable
housing
standpoint
of
the
study
was
that
any
glup
Amendment
enacted
to
achieve
the
recommendations
of
the
study
will
be
subject
to
an
affordable
housing
requirement.
In
addition
to
the
base
site
plan,
affordability
requirement
this.
D
So
this
glove
Amendment-
it's
also
referred
to
as
an
upload.
If
you
see
that
on
the
screen,
so
the
affordable
housing
program
is
they'll,
be
meeting
the
base
of
five
with
five
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollar
contribution
or
the
three
on-site
units,
the
four
off-site
units
or
the
five
off-site.
You
are
off
just
offsite
units
somewhere
in
the
county.
In
addition
to
that
base
contribution,
they'll
be
providing
seven
total
on-site
caps.
D
D
You
know
that's
something
that
not
just
this
commission
but
others
have
been
bringing
up,
and
so
not
only
will
there
be
some
two-bedroom
Loft
units
which
are
actually
bigger
than
regular
two-bedroom
units,
but
there
will
be
two
three
bedroom
units
as
part
of
the
package,
so
these
will
be
affordable
for
the
standard
up
to
60
Ami
for
30-year
term,
but
it
does
add,
seven
casts
to
an
area
where
there
aren't
currently
a
lot
of
caps.
D
There's
some
in
the
building,
that's
right
across
the
street,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
other
casts
in
that
direct
area,
and
then
it
also
is
delivering
those
larger
units
so
and
then
just
a
few
quick
other
notes,
ones
that
we
talked
about
in
the
last
one.
The
applicant
has
not
submitted
a
special
site
plan
exception
in
the
past.
D
This
is
a
new
applicants
and
then
there
will
be
at
least
six
type,
a
market
rate
units
in
the
building,
and
they
they
haven't,
made
a
commitment
to
how
many
of
those
will
be
calf
type
A
units.
Yet
we're
that's
the
one
last
piece
we're
still
working
through,
but
they
can
speak
to
this
they've.
They
have
a
desire
to
deliver
on-site,
Taipei
casts
at
the
property
and
that
will
be
finalized
in
the
condition
language
within
the
next
month.
D
G
Are
you
still
doing
that
all
this
time
well,
good
evening,
everybody
Ashton?
Are
you
able
to
grab
screen
control
there
and
pull
up
our
presentation,
I.
G
Yeah
all
right
well
good
evening:
everybody
I'm
Matt
Roberts
with
herschler
I'm,
the
land
use
and
zoning,
and
turning
on
the
project
I'm
here
tonight,
with
Ashton
Allen
and
Brian
Arias
from
Studios
architecture,
happy
to
be
here
and
looking
forward
to
the
discussion
as
Alex
said
we're
here
to
discuss
the
r
of
the
site
plan,
glup,
Amendment
and
rezoning.
G
You
know
quick
background.
You
know
just
to
walk
you
through,
because
you
you
may
have
passed
by
the
site.
A
number
of
times
you
know,
may
not
be
as
familiar
with
it
as
we
are
at
this
point
site
is
on
Pershing
Drive
right
at
the
intersection,
with
Arlington
Boulevard
directly
across
the
street,
from
Fort
Myer
and
we're
in
the
lion
Park
neighborhood.
G
As
you
probably
are
aware,
it's
developed
today
with
the
Days
Inn
motel
that
was
built
back
in
1955,
more
or
less
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second
in
the
history.
That's
there,
it's
currently
split
zoned
and,
as
Alex
mentioned
up
until
now,
there
really
hasn't
been
much
Plan
for
the
site.
That
being
said,
going
back
to
when
2201
Pershing
right
across
the
street
was
approved
back
in
I.
G
Think
2006
there
was
actually
some
indication,
then,
that
this
site
in
the
future,
for
what
we
ought
to
do
with
it
and
replanting
efforts
in
the
future,
but
it
was
put
off
for
another
day
next
slide.
Please.
G
By
the
way
there
we
go
there
we
are,
the
site
does
have
a
fairly
long
history,
but
it
has
always
been
a
motel,
at
least
since
1955.,
originally
known
as
the
arva,
and
you
know,
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
into
that
history.
These
these
guys
at
Studios
have
pulled
a
lot
of
interesting
stuff
off
of
eBay.
G
You
know
that
you
might
not
have
imagined
you
could
find,
but
the
Arvin
Motel
is
was
really
sort
of
a
signature
for
the
site
with
that
blade,
sign
and
Lobby,
and
as
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit,
we're
going
to
seek
to
honor
that
historic
aspect
of
the
site,
the
site
Redevelopment
next
slide
and
it's
evolved
over
the
years.
G
It's
been
a
couple
different
types
of
franchises,
ultimately
culminating
on
what
it
is
today
as
the
days
in
but
again,
certain
features
of
the
site
have
always
been
notable
that
blade
sign,
in
particular
the
lobby
that
faces
directly
onto
Pershing
and
Arlington
Boulevard
and
again,
we'll
show
you
how
we're
planning
to
adapt
that
into
the
building
going
forward.
G
Next
slide,
please
getting
back
to
the
planning
for
the
site.
As
Alex
said,
we
went
through
a
fairly
lengthy
planning
process
with
the
long-range
Planning
Commission
and
ultimately,
the
County
Board,
basically
from
2020
to
2021,
and
the
Arlington
County
Board
ultimately
approved
our
special
guap
study
in
July
2021..
That
study
basically
asks
us
to
implement
a
lot
of
different
items
and
presents
a
vision
for
the
site
into
the
future.
G
Ultimately
saying
that
low
office
apartment
Hotel
under
the
glove
would
be
appropriate
for
the
site
and
a
concurrent
rezoning
to
c015,
which
is
which
is
what
is
called
for
under
the
low
office
apartment,
Hotel
designation,
would
also
be
appropriate,
and
so
we
filed
several
different
applications
for
the
site
to
implement
that
Vision.
One
is
the
4.1
site
plan.
We've
also
filed
the
rezoning
and
also
a
glup
Amendment,
as
Alex
mentioned,
so
happy
to
discuss
that
a
little
further
in
depth
with
you.
If
you
had
any
questions
about
that
next
slide,
please.
G
So
the
glup
set
out
like
I,
said
for
some
basic
planning
ideas
and
some
key
goals.
Broadly
speaking,
it
asked
us
to
I.
You
know
to
deal
with
a
couple
of
Major
League
issues,
primarily
dealing
with
public
spaces,
creating
new
parks
which
we'll
talk
about
and
also
improving.
G
What
is
now
you
know,
an
asphalt
area
adjacent
to
the
site
within
VDOT
right-of-way,
so
that
we
can
continue
the
trail
from
Arlington
Boulevard,
or
it
also
asked
us
to
create
a
Gateway
architecturally
into
the
neighborhood,
essentially
mirroring,
what's
happening
on
the
other
side
and
creating
and
completing
that
Gateway
into
lion.
G
Park
and
concurrent
with
that,
you
know
we
want
to
be
sensitive
to
what's
around
us,
both
in
terms
of
the
multi-family
residential
at
Washington
and
Lee
single
family,
residential
immediately
in
the
neighborhood
adjacent
to
us
and
some
of
the
low-rise
commercial,
so
we're
providing
Transitions
and
height
and
density
and
then
last
but
not
least,
embracing
that
site
history,
which
we'll
talk
about
again
next
slide.
Please.
G
The
outcome
of
all
that
is
ultimately
a
mixed
use:
Redevelopment
of
the
site,
including
251
residential
units,
and
about
2
900
square
feet
of
res
retail
or
retail,
equivalent
space
in
the
building,
we'll
also
be
providing
a
number
of
community
benefits
with
the
Redevelopment,
primarily
in
those
Open
Spaces
along
Wainwright
Park,
but
also
adding
to
bike
lanes
and
other
things
and
then
last
but
not
least,
and
for
this
group's
purposes
on-site,
affordable
housing.
G
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Ashton
to
walk
through
some
architecture
and
then
we'll
be
happy
to
discuss
great.
P
Thanks
Matt
and
can
folks
hear
me
yeah,
yes,
excellent,
all
right,
real,
big,
big
picture
here,
architecturally,
it's
a
really
interesting
site
because
of
that
history
of
the
kind
of
doo-wop
architecture
and
I
think
some
goals
set
up
in
the
glove
about
carrying
that
forward
and
mixing
it
with
the
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
itself,
if
you've
spent
any
time
in
line
Park
is
a
remarkably
diverse,
architectural
neighborhood.
P
This
gave
us
a
great
palette
to
I
think
start
to
play
in
a
really
interesting
way,
something
that
came
up,
certainly
in
the
in
the
last
conversation
about
larger
units
on
site.
Before
we
get
even
into
the
architecture
we
wanted
to
show
where
you
know
these.
Two
three
bedroom
lofts
that
are
set
aside
for
for
affordability,
I
will
show
you
where
this
is
in
a
3D
rendering.
So
you
can
understand
it
better,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
quickly
show
it
and
plan
before
we
get
into
the
architecture.
P
So
this
in
this
diagram
we're
seeing
Pershing
Drive
Bend
off
to
the
right
and
Arlington
Boulevard
peel
off
to
the
left,
and
this
is,
as
Matt
said,
that
kind
of
historic
blade,
sign
and
Lobby
identity,
which
we've
carried
forward
in
in
this
architecture,
with
the
with
the
lobby
identity,
a
refurbished
blade
sign,
which
is
a
vast
improvement
over
what's
there
today,
but
as
you
see
when
you
kind
of
zoom
in,
is
really
care
building
on
the
character
of
that
original
arva
sign
that
that
I
think
provided
a
lot
of
character
and
a
lot
of
unique
history
on
this
site.
P
This
is
the
view
looking
across
Pershing
Drive.
So
it's
as,
if
we're
standing
on
that
development
to
the
north
that
was
developed
in
the
early
2000s
looking
South.
So
you
see
this
drop-off
Court
between
two
arms
of
the
building
and
you
also
see
there's
actually
an
internal
Private,
Drive
and
access
where
all
the
service
and
loading
is
taken
care
of
internal
to
the
site.
But
it's
also
kind
of
this.
This
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
portal
that
I
think
does
a
lot
to
transform
the
site
from
what
it.
P
What's
there
today,
which
is
a
very
parking
lot
focused
site
to
pedestrian
and
mix
mode
Focus
site?
This
is
the
view
we've
flipped
now
Pershing
Drive
is.
Is
this
on
the
left
and
and
and
Wayne
is
down
here
on
the
south
of
the
site
really
focusing
on
this
this
park,
that's
going
to
be
delivered
to
10
000
foot
new
park
for
the
neighborhood.
That's
a
public
use
a
public
access
easement.
P
This
is
a
view
again.
Looking
across
Wayne
and
down
this
particular
type
of
of
Drive
called
a
muse.
The
intent
here
in
the
glep
was
a
mixed
mode,
Transit,
that
was
for
cars,
pedestrians
and
bicycles,
that
connected
through
underneath
the
building
to
the
improved
trail
that
is
going
to
run
along
Arlington
Boulevard
in
the
Virginia
Department
of
Transportation
space,
but
this
is
kind
of
it
in
plan
from
the
glup
and
then
in
the
actual
design.
P
That's
basically
taken
verbatim
with
this
multimodal
drive
sidewalk
trail
that
transitions
into
a
pedestrian
only
Zone
as
it
passes
under
the
building.
The
three
bedroom
units
that
we
talked
about
are
actually
these
right
here,
so
they
essentially
are
kind
of
acting
like
town
homes,
with
with
ground
floor
access
and
they're
in
line
with
with
other
market
rate
units.
P
We
think
it's
a
great
Community
Building
piece
of
this
project
and
in
a
you
know,
across
from
Washington
Lee
and
with
immediate
access
to
this
portal
down
through
the
trail,
and
you
also
see
the
the
kind
of
Park
here
to
the
right.
Obviously,
the
design
of
that
is
going
to
be
taken
care
of
through
the
Parks
Commission.
As
part
of
that
Public
Access
he's
been
as
proffer,.
P
Finally,
of
views
kind
of
looking
along,
this
is
Arlington
Boulevard,
Fort
Myers
on
the
right,
the
proposed
development
negle
up,
and
then
this
is
a
kind
of
along
Arlington
Boulevard,
but
zoomed
into
this
new
multi-use
Trail,
which
is
extending
the
the
bike
path
and
improving
it
and
then
pulling
back
across
Arlington
Boulevard.
G
Just
really
quickly,
so
the
question
becomes:
how
are
we
going
to
accomplish
all
of
this,
and
obviously
you
know
the
county
has
a
few
mechanisms
that
we
can
borrow
from.
So
we're
doing
a
couple
different
things
in
terms
of
community
benefits
to
ultimately
earn
the
density
above
what
we
could
earn
in
the
base
with
the
co15
district
I've
touched
on
a
few
of
those
already
Ashton
has
touched
on
them.
We
are
going
to
be
providing
lead
gold
certification
for
the
site.
G
We
are
doing
two
major
public
space
improvements
along
the
VDOT
right-of-way
to
continue
that
trail
and
also
a
10
000
square
foot,
Park
more
or
less
we'll
also
be
providing
some
off-site
bike.
Lanes
protected
bike
lanes
that
the
county
asked
us
to
do,
and
then
you
know
the
for
this
group's
purposes
and
as
Alex
mentioned
earlier,
we
will
be
having
on-site,
affordable,
housing.
G
I
will
say
we
are
not
earning
bonus
density
from
that
it
is
a
result
of
the
up
glup
that
we've
requested,
but
we
are
providing
seven
on-site
units
and
they
are
quite
a
bit
larger.
That
I
think
you
would
normally
find
in
most
applications
this
size
and
that
really
came
from
discussions
with
Lion,
Park,
Community
and
staff.
So
you
know
we
are
providing
some
three
bedroom
units,
two
bedroom,
lofts
and
and
so
forth,
so
very
pleased
with
that
package
and
happy
to
discuss
it.
G
But
with
that
you
know,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
we're
looking
forward
to
speaking
with
you
all.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
it
looks
like
a
really
interesting
building,
so
just
from
a
design
perspective,
it's
nice
to
see
something
different,
yes
than
all
the
almost
replicated
designs
that
we
see
for
every
other,
Residential
Building
I.
F
You
probably
saw
this
question
coming,
but
again,
if
there's
already
going
to
be
seven
on-site
units
having
three
additional
on-site
units
as
part
of
the
the
base
ordinance
it,
it
would
be
preferable
from
affordable
housing
standpoint
as
opposed
to
the
528
000
contribution
to
ahif
and
and
again,
you
know,
I
can
understand,
hesitation
if
there
weren't
going
to
be
any
on-site,
affordable,
housing
units.
F
But
since
there's
already
seven,
it
seems
like
adding
three
more
is
probably
less
of
a
lift
from
management,
and
you
know
planning
perspective
that
if
there
were
none
to
begin.
B
F
Is
that
was
that
discussed
doing
that
and
I
know,
probably
with
all
the
other
projects
too?
That's
not
a
decision
that
has
to
be
made
until
later
in
the
process
right,
but
you
know
I
would
like
to
at
least
strongly
urge
if
that
is
still
something
that
you
all
can
consider
doing
to
to
have
those
additional
three
units
be
on
site
to
make
it
an
even
tip.
G
Sure
so
you
know,
as
you've
noted
it's
not
a
decision
that
we
make
at
this
stage.
We
haven't
come
to
a
final
conclusion
on
it.
We're
certainly
you
know,
keeping
options.
Open.
I
will
say
that
you
know
candidly,
we
very
likely
will
end
up
making
the
contribution
for
a
project
of
this
size.
You
know
in
this
location,
you
know
adding
additional,
affordable
housing.
Above
you
know
what
we're
already
doing
with
the
larger
units
is
impactful.
It's
you
know
it's
and
frankly,
you're
doing
the
larger
units.
G
We
think
is
a
a
fairly
big
contribution
for
a
project
of
this
size
relative
to
what
else
we
might
see
similar
in
the
neighborhood,
but
certainly
appreciate
the
comment,
we'll
we'll
keep
all
options
open
until
we
have
to
make
our
decision.
F
C
C
G
Sure
yeah,
it's
certainly
you
know
something
we
think
about
pretty
often
the
plus
study
had
some
had
some
suggestions
about
where
that
might
have
gone,
even
suggesting
that
we
should
put
it
at
the
corner
of
Persian
Arlington
Boulevard.
We,
you
know,
declined
to
do
that.
You
know
for
the
exact
reason
you
just
mentioned,
you
know
you
don't
want
something
sort
of
dead
at
the
corner.
That
does
not.
You
know
that
doesn't
yield
anything
good
for
that
for
that
pedestrian
access
there.
G
So
what
we've
labeled
it
as
right
now
is
retailer
retail
equivalent.
You
know
the
glove
study
does
ask
us
to
look
for
retail
uses
in
the
short
term,
so
it
could
be
something
like
a
coffee
shop
or
or
something
complimentary
to
you
know
what
else
we're
seeing
in
the
neighborhood.
We
do
see
it
as
neighborhoods
serving
one
difference,
and
maybe
one
thing
that
you
know
really
kind
of
pulls
retail
to
this
site.
Is
that
Park
so
putting
the
retail
next
to
the
park?
G
We
think
is,
actually
you
know
a
benefit
long
term.
So
if
we
can
find
a
user,
that's
perfect
and
we'll
certainly
be
aiming
for
that.
We
are
keeping
the
flexibility,
though,
to
you
know,
provide
some
retail
equivalent
space,
something
that's
activating
But,
ultimately
service
to
the
building.
G
G
Nan
would
tell
you
if
he
had
his
druthers,
he
would
have
a
a
golf
simulator.
You
love
to
find
something
retail
wise
to
do
here.
So
you
know
it's
top
of
mind
for
him.
F
J
G
Correct
yeah,
so
that's
certainly
one
option.
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
going
to
be
the
gym.
Ashton
could
speak
to
that
more
directly,
but
retail
equivalents
in
the
County's
parlance
is
even
a
little
bit
broader
than
just
you
know,
building
Service
or
something
serving
the
building.
We
have
certain
categories
of
like
medical
office
use
as
a
for
instance
that
are
not
categorized
as
retail.
They
are
categorized
as
retail
equivalent,
and
so
the
county
over
the
last
couple
years
has
allowed
us
to
put
retail
equivalency
into
the
plans
now.
B
J
You
a
couple
of
questions,
so
the
the
news
extension
through
to
Arlington
Boulevard
will
that
be
publicly
accessible.
B
J
Excellent,
the
units,
in
addition
to
being
a
large
bedroom
count,
also
seem
to
be
large
in
square
footage,
was
that,
for
instance,
the
805
square
foot
one
bedroom
is
that
a
net
rentable
square
footage,
or
is
that
sort
of
gross,
including
common
area?
I.
P
Can
jump
in
on
this
a
little
bit
Matt,
so
those
one
bedroom
units
are
in
fact
one
bedroom
plus
Den
units.
So
again
speaking
to
Matt's
Point,
all
of
the
units
that
we've
looked
to
dedicate
are
oversized
so
that
one
bedroom
unit
really
is
a
family
focused
one
bedroom
that
can
be.
You
know:
parents,
bedroom
and
a
child
without
a
window
and
and
that
kind
of
carries
through
the
two.
The
two
bedroom
units
are
also
two
bedrooms,
plus
Den,
so
I
think
getting
back
to
Matt's
earlier
point
about
a
focus.
P
That's
really
aiming
to
what
the
community
was
looking
for
at
lion,
Park,
which
was
a
you,
know,
family
size,
unit,
Focus,
that's
how
that
entire
programming
is
set
out
and
we're
we're
frankly
pretty
proud
of
it.
Like
Matt,
said
for
a
project
this
size,
it's
a
it's
pretty
bold
across
the
across
what
we've
seen
so.
P
J
How
does
the
the
proportion
of
our
What
proportion
of
those
say
family
size
units
in
terms
of
bedrooms
to
these
affordable
units
represent
like
do
you
have
other
three
bedroom
units?
If
so,
so,
really
the
only
ones
are
the
affordable
ones.
G
G
You
know,
but
we've
tried
to
do
a
lot
of
Outreach
and
make
sure
that
we're
capturing
Community
comments,
and
so
that
was
one
we
heard
repeatedly.
We
actually
had
a
pretty
good
discussion
with
them
in
our
last
meeting
in
April
on.
You
know
how
you
sort
of
calculate
these
things
and
Ashton
gave
a
great
explanation.
You
know
in
a
lot
of
ways
those
two
bedroom
lofts
really
do
act
as
a
family
unit,
but
we
also
made
the
decision
to
convert
some
of
those
to
create.
G
You
know
true
three-bedroom
units
along
that
Muse,
so
you
know:
we've
taken
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
energy
in
in
the
housing.
Part
of
this
discussion
could.
G
Sure
so
the
family
that
owns
it
Nan,
Patel
and
his
family.
They
are
generally
Hotel
operators
in
and
around
the
DC
area.
You
would
know
them
if
I
gave
you
you
know
other
of
their
sites,
but
Nan
is
the
owner
operator
will
be
taking
this
forward
for
development.
He
intends
to
own
it
long
term
has
no
plans
to
sell
that
I
know
of
wonderful.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
oh,
but
I
think.
N
O
O
It's
a
great
book
really
highlights
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
I
think
this
commission
continues
to
talk
about,
but
you
know
in
Arlington
the
way
that
we
do
affordable
housing.
We
don't
have
an
authority,
and
you
may
know
this
I
apologize
if
I'm
repeating
it.
But
you
know
we
end
up
concentrating
poverty
into
the
same
buildings.
O
It's
100
committed,
affordable
those
units
end
up
being
predominantly
90
to
95
percent
people
of
color,
and
you
know,
time
and
time
again
we're
hearing
from
residents
that
the
living
conditions
that
they're
living
are
just
completely
unacceptable.
You
can
Google
Toronto.
O
The
Shelton
had
made
the
news
today
and
are
all
now
so
that's
another
good
case
study.
But,
ultimately
you
know
these.
The
life
outcomes
for
people
that
end
up
in
these
buildings
are
about
10
years
they're
living
10
years
less
than
their
counterparts
in
other
areas
of
the
county.
O
You
know
they
might
not
ever
see
anyone
that
looks
like
them,
living
outside
of
poverty
and
so
like
that
generational
cycle
of
you
know,
living
in
poverty
continues
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
I
know
that
as
a
developer.
O
We
just
encourage
you
to
kind
of
look
at
what
the
outcomes
you
know.
Developers
like
you
are,
are
causing,
but
I
did
have
two
questions
and
the
first
one
was
on
parking.
It
looks
like
parking
will
be
about
one
to
one.
Is
that
right
on
the
ratio?
O
It's
0.8,
0.8,
okay,
great
and
then
the
last
thing
was
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
pull
up
the
last
slide
of
the
presentation
that
you
had,
and
this
might
be
more
of
a
Transportation
Commission
question.
But
I
do
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
highlighted
or
flagged
somewhere.
O
So
you
know
in
the
deck
that
you're
yeah
there
you
go
on
Arlington
Boulevard
there
on
the
right.
There's
a
very
you
know:
High
Velocity
traffic
that
travels
on
that
route
and
I
appreciate
that
we're
putting
I
think
a
bike
path
or
a
trail
there,
but
is
there
some
type
of
like
barrier
or
something
in
case
someone
like
goes
up
on
the
sidewalk
or.
G
The
tree
stand
that's
shown
on
the
images
there.
If
Ashton
can
pull
it
back
out.
Okay,
those
trees,
those
trees
are
existing.
Today
in
the
VDOT
right-of-way,
we
recently
got
a
comment
from
VDOT
to
replace
those,
but
we'll
essentially
be
replacing
them
one
for
one
along
that
edge
of
Arlington
Boulevard.
So
what
you're
seeing
is
Arlington
Boulevard
tree
stand,
slash
Landscaping
strip,
then
the
path
starts,
then
there's
a
separate
sort
of
berm
and
buffer
before
you
get
to
the
residential
units.
On
that
side,.
G
Sorry,
I
guess
just
to
quickly
respond
to
the
first
comment.
There,
though
I
mean
this
application
is
providing
on-site,
affordable,
housing.
So
I
think
we
are
meeting
the
counties
in
10
and
and
desires.
You
know
I've
been
doing
Arlington
for
10
plus
years
and
that's
something
I've
always
encouraged
my
clients
to
do.
F
Thank
you,
Matt
Anika
and
then
more.
G
All
right,
there's
certainly
living
room
space
and
other
than
that,
but
there
isn't
a
separated
Den
space
like
you
might
have
in
the
two
bedroom
Den.
Okay,.
L
G
Sure
so
the
type
A
units
we
have
to
provide
a
minimum
of
six
with
this
application,
251
units
taken
over
two
percent
is,
is
six
more
or
less
that's
actually
rounded
up,
but
in
any
event,
the
goal
is
to
provide
as
many
of
those
in
the
affordable
housing
side
as
possible
and
then
whatever
we
can't
accommodate
in
the
affordable
housing
number
of
units
would
be
on
the
market
right
side,
but
overall
we'd
be
providing
six.
G
Goal
is
to
place
the
goal
is
to
place
as
many
of
them
into
affordable
units
as
possible,
and
then,
if
we,
you
know
whenever
we're
able
to
accommodate
in
that,
you
know
we'll
capture
up
to
six.
If
we
can,
but
you
know
anything
below,
six
in
the
affordable
side
would
be
recaptured
on
the
market
rate
side
for
type
8..
So
we
haven't
come
to
a
complete
conclusion
yet
on
exactly
the
allocation
between
these
two
things,
but
overall
the
the
building
will
have
a
minimum
effect.
F
I'd
like
to
wrap
up
discussion
on
this,
so
I
think
motion
wise
I'd,
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
this
similar
to
the
last
motion
that
we
had
for
crystal
house
that
we
recommend
that
the
units
be
be
instead
of
the
in
lieu
of
520
000
that
it's
three
additional
on-site
units,
any
changes
to
that.
Okay
do
I,
have
a
second
okay,
thank
you
Margaret
and
then
let's
see
roll
call
votes.
B
F
Your
surface!
Oh
yes,
oh
yes,
commissioner
Edwards,
yes,
Professor,
McGill
right!
Yes,
commissioner,
heminger.
F
C
Thank
you
so
Kelly
can
I.
Just
yes
reiterate
for
the
group
that,
but
also
maybe
some
of
the
folks
who
are
new,
that
and
sort
of
piggybacking.
What
Laura
said
that
I
think
you
want
to
look
at
progress,
am
I,
correct,
Alex
in
order
for
us
to
adjust
the
base
requirements
and
all
of
that
to
either
be
like
Montgomery
County,
where
we're
forcing
units
on
site
versus
the
cash
payment.
That
requires
an
action
enrichment.
C
The
legislative
action
right,
yeah,
so
I
just
think.
That's
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
that
I
think
and
going
back
I
think
we
can
make
these
statements,
but
we
may
want
to
make
a
blanket
statement
and
not
with
each
specific
development,
because
developers
are
gonna
to
you
know
it's
human
nature
to
go
to
the
point
that
you
need
to
go
to
and
not
necessarily
beyond
that
and
from
a
financial
standpoint.
I'm
sure
they're
pushing
those
limits,
so
just
so
that
we
don't
kill
ourselves
with
each
and
every
one.
O
Yeah,
just
briefly
I,
just
I
think
you
know
I
hear
the
point
on
you
know
each
property,
but
I
also
think
as
a
commission,
you
know
when
we
look
back
over
the
last.
You
know
two
through
three
four
five
years
when
someone
foils
these
records.
What
they're
going
to
see
is
that
a
commission
has
kind
of
brought
this
up
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again,
but
you
know,
maybe
we
have
language
that
we
just
kind
of
put
into
each
letter.
O
B
F
Okay,
so
hopefully
everyone
had
a
chance
to
look
through
the
charter
that
I
sent
out
a
couple
weeks
ago.
We're
we're
supposed
to
look
at
this
every
three
years.
It's
been
quite
a
bit
longer,
I
think,
since
the
commission
has
received
a
charter,
my
goals
in
the
edits
that
I
proposed
were
making
it
easier
to
read
and
also
refer
to
different
sections.
F
So
for
me
the
name
change
was
big,
because
we
are
technically
the
citizens
advisory
Commission
on
housing.
No
one
calls
it.
N
F
Just
updating
in
the
functions
in
the
scope
of
added
Equity
Focus
tried
to
clarify
some
of
the
language.
Also
added.
Please
give
a
fair
housing
element
to
that,
as
well
with
the
affirmative
of
further
and
fair
housing,
expanded
the
like,
where
it
was
calling
out
specific
groups
to
pay
attention
to
other,
historically
marginalized
populations
that
feed
into
the
equity
framework
that
we'll
be
discussing
and.
F
Then
the
membership
section,
it's
been
a
I,
don't
know
the
last
time
the
County
Board
actually
paid
attention
to
having
specific
numbers
of
representatives
from
each
of
these
categories.
So
again
and
I
know
that
is
not
the
current
practice.
F
I
I
want
this
to
reflect
what
we
actually
do
and
if
the
board
is
not
going
to
pay
attention
to
and
the
chairs
are
not
going
to
pay
attention
to
you
having
specific
numbers
of
represents
from
each
category
I,
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
be
in
our
chartered
that
way
it
could
just
be.
These
are
the
types
of
members
that
the
sit
on
my
commission
and
also
I
realized
that
under
membership
it
should
be
changed
to
the
Housing
Commission.
That
looks
like
one
that
escapes.
F
So
that
is
a
change
to
be
consistent
with
the
rest
and
then
added
the
vice
chair,
so
that
that's
a
position
that
we've
had
on
the
Housing
Commission.
But
it
wasn't
in
our
Charter,
so
just
included
that
subcommittee
membership,
the
I
remember
families,
support
staff
or
County
staff
that
took
out
the
specific
names
of
the.
F
They
didn't
want
them
referred
to
anymore.
I
didn't
make
that
change,
so
this
has
been
reviewed
by
Matt
difronti,
his
staff,
as
well
as
many
county.
F
I
took
several
months
to
go
through
this
and
then
let's
see
a
very
significant
changes,
so
I
added
the
Quorum
voting
section,
because
there
we've
had
questions
and
some
some
confusion.
B
F
That
so
I
wanted
to
hopefully
make
it
a
bit
more
clear
by
writing
down
what
our
actual
you
know,
practices
for
Quorum
and
voting,
but.
C
One
question
here:
yes:
do
you
need
to
make
any
reference
to
the
whole,
because
my
understanding
is
that
it
has
to
be
Quorum
in
the
room
and
so
I
wonder
whether
we,
whether
we
hope
well?
No,
because
we
don't
hope
the
hybrid
goes
away,
because
we
like
at
least
the
hybrid,
because
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
virtual,
so
and
I
just
wondered
whether
we
wanted
to,
because
that's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
sticking
point.
F
Yeah
I
mean
we
do
have
two
virtual
meetings
fully
virtual
a
year
as
well.
I
mean
I
think
because
we
already
refer
to
up
above
that
will
follow
the
electronic
meeting
policy.
F
I,
think
that
covers
it,
but
that's
something
that
I
think
in
general.
Commission
just
needs
to
be
better
at
like
we
need
people
in
person
to
have
Purim
and
every
meeting
this
year
we've
been
a
little
bit
like
unsure.
Are
we
gonna
actually
be
able
to
take
any
action
because
we're
going
to
have
enough
people
in
person
so
that
it
is
really
important
outside
of
the
charter?
F
It's
just
important
that
people
are
here
and
if
they're
not
going
to
be
here
that
they
let
us
know
in
advance,
I
added
the
sentence
about
how
abstentions
work,
because
for
those
who
were
here
last
year,
we
had
that
concern.
Who
I
think
was
it
with
the
Amazon?
Oh,
where
we
had
like
an
equal
number
of
extensions
I
think
is.
K
F
People
voting
for
it
and
originally
thought
it
failed,
and
then
the
county
attorney's
office
said
no.
It
actually
passed.
I
tried
to
clarify
that
by
writing
that
in
here
at
the
county
terrorist
office
removed
it
and
said
no.
F
C
One
question
for
perhaps
more
for
Alex
is
that
just
because
I
sit
on
sits
act
so
do
we
actually
oversee
home
funds,
or
is
that
understood
sex
jurisdiction?
So
that's
in
number
two
on
here.
So
I
was
just
surprised
to
see
that
so.
D
That
I
would
say
generally
it
falls
more
under
Sid
Sac
there
is.
There
have
been
projects
in
the
past,
not
in
the
last
few
years,
but
projects
in
the
past
that
come
forward
and
they
do
utilize,
both
ahif
and
home
funding.
So
I
think
that's
why
it's
mentioned
here,
but
most.
F
Of
it,
I
thought
that
was
somebody
else's
Journey,
yeah
and
I
didn't
add
that
in
I,
just
no
you
just
spelled
it
out,
but
yeah.
That's
a
good
point.
I
mean
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
about
the
Housing
Commission.
We
have
overlapping
Authority
with
many
other
commissions
yeah.
It's
a
landlord
commission
sits
at
to
some
extent
the
even
the
Planning
Commission
is
something
set.
So
as
we
all
know,
there
are
much
more
powerful,
but
any
any
other
questions
or.
B
C
F
Alex
or
myself
will
reach
out
to
the
board
member
and
ask,
and
as
they
want
to
be
reappointed
and
so
I'm
having
conversations
with
the
board
liaison.
So
in
this
case,
Matthew
fronti
like
pretty
continually
about
membership
and
whose
terms
are
expiring
and
and
so
it's
it's
kind
of
an
informal
process.
But
it's
you
know
either
I
will
be
alerted
to
it
or
Alice
should
say:
hey
someone
says
star
is
expiring,
and
then
it's
usually
Reach
Out.
F
Assuming
that
they're
a
member
of
good
standing
and
they
you
know
no
one
wants
to
replace
them.
We
just
ask
if
they
want
to
serve
again
and
then
let
Matt
know,
and
he
certainly
yeah.
F
H
N
H
Is
something
that
you
would
give
a
new
commissioner
need
to
read
it.
C
F
So
we
can
potentially
spell
it
out
here.
We
just
need
to
be
careful
that
whatever
language
we
use
matches
whatever
language
is
in
other,
and
it
probably
would
have
to
go
through.
C
M
J
L
You
know
Colin
I'm,
looking
at
the
the
page
on
the
counties,
our
commissions
page
and
kind
of
even
They
Call,
the
Housing
Commission.
It
says.
D
L
L
K
B
F
F
Commission
and
the
other
commission
website
don't
list
like
when
people
start,
but
but
that's
also,
we
can
have
a
separate
conversation
with
staff
if
we
want
to
make
changes
to
the
website,
but
any
anything
else
on
the
charter.
Yes,.
L
F
Good
second
awesome:
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye,
great
okay,
so.
F
They
will
officially
vote
to
adopt
it
next
item
on
the
agenda:
the
Housing
Commission
Equity
framework,
which
is
probably
one
of
the
more
exciting
things
for
me.
So
this
is
something
I
put
together,
because
you
know
we
talk
about
Equity.
The
county
talks
about
Equity,
but
what
does
that
mean?
F
For
us
as
Commissioners
this
document
was
a
met,
was
meant
to
provide
a
pretty
straightforward
and
Simple
Guide
for
Commissioners
to
think
about
Equity,
as
it
relates
to
the
equity
resolution
that
the
board
passed
in
2019-
and
this
is
was
also
meant
to
help
be
a
starting
point
with
staff.
F
As
we
look
at
trying
to
get
more
data
about
and
more
information
about,
the
equity
analysis
that
staff
has
is
is
already
doing
or
starting
to
do
in
a
number
of
areas,
and
this
also
feeds
into
it
probably
further
for
housing
and
looking
at
protected
classes
and
how
they're
affected
by
different
decisions
that
the
government
makes
when
it
comes
to
housing
and
technically,
we
fall
under
that
because
the
county
receives
money,
we're
sort
of
in
arm
of
the
county
Loosely
from
HUD
and.
G
F
Be
thinking
about,
especially
on
projected
classes
and
different
groups,
are
impacted
by
the
decisions
that
we're
recommending
with
the
county
when
you're
done,
I
have
a
question:
okay,
so
this
is.
It
outlines
the
different
categories
of
individuals
that-
and
this
almost
matches
word
for
word
what
the
county
had
in
their
Equity
resolution.
F
County
staff
proposed
some
changes
to
it
and
I
made
some
changes
to
make
it
a
little
bit
clearer
and
then
the
where
it
says
like
who
benefits
who's
burdened.
If
that
comes
from
the
County's
racial
Equity
framework,
except
I
added
the
IE
part
like
to
give
some
context.
What
does
that
mean?
We
say
who
benefits
so
adding
some
some
prompts
and
some
questions
that
we
can
sort
of
ask
ourselves-
and
those
are
those
are
really
the
key
pieces
of
this.
F
So
this
is
really
meant
to
be,
or
at
least
each
one
of
us
as
we
look
at
actions
that
come
before
us
thinking
about
our
people
of
color
impacted
by
this,
our
women
are
people
living
in
poverty
are
immigrants
and
refugees,
our
lgbtq
plus
community
members
impacted
by
this.
Do
we
have
any
data
that
shows
that
is
that
something
the
county
can
provide
to
us
and
then
asking
the
questions
you
know
who
benefits
who's,
burden,
who's
missing?
F
How
do
we
know
and
what
do
we
do
to
help
kind
of
shape
and
inform
the
conversation
that
we
have
and
so
someone
it
could
be
asking
the
question
of
like
hey
who's,
for
a
site
plan
who's
burdened
by
this,
it
seems
like
there's
existing
residents
who
may
be
displaced
by
this
is
one
or
more
population
within
this
development
going
to
be
disproportionately
burdened
by
the
action
that's
being
taken
here
and
that
could
be
a
question
that's
asked,
or
it
could
just
be
something
that
we
individually
think
about
as
we're
forming
our
own
questions
or
thinking
about
whether
we
support
or
not
support
a
particular
project.
C
Before
us
could
it
is
also
not
to
add
to
steps
sure,
but
could
it
be
so
when
we
do
have
like
site
plans
and
there's
a
staff
presentation
that
goes
along
with
that
that
those
five
questions
could
be
addressed.
F
As
part
of
that,
we've
discussed
that
so
we
had
I've
had
a
couple
meetings
with
staff
about
equity,
for
our
commission
coming
back
to
probably
February,
but
most
recently
we
met
with,
like
Samia
and
Venecia
other
County
Savings
a
lot
of
people
to
talk
about
this
document.
F
What
it
means
answer
a
lot
of
questions
they
had
go
through
edits
that
they
they
had
in
it
and
part
of
what
we
talked
about
and
what
I
talked
about
previously
was
I'd
like
to
get
to
the
point
that
you
solved
my
question
to
Alex
today
about
the
accessible
units
and
and
people
with
disabilities
that
we
want
to
see
that
in
the
presentation
and
in
the
reports
government
before
us.
So
we
don't
have
to
just
separately
think
to
ask
that
question.
F
But
we
have
that
data
that
we
consider
beforehand
and
if
we
have
information
about
immigrants
and
refugees
like
we
having
the
county,
also
including
that
in
the
presentation
saying,
here's
here's,
how
many
people
in
you
know
this
existing
unit,
that's
going
to
be
redeveloped.
Are
immigrants
or
refugees
or
You,
probably
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
about
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity.
F
But
if
we,
for
some
reason,
did
you
know
including
information
about
that
as
well,
we're
still
in
talks
about
what
can
the
county
do
as
far
as
you
know,
shaping
the
memos
and
the
the
the
presentations
that
they
provide
to
us?
That
is
my
goal.
F
To
get
to
the
point
where,
like
this
is
part
of
the
template
and
that
they're
just
sort
of
like
we're
answering
these
questions
for
at
least
providing
this
data
for
you
to
consider
or
where
we
don't
have
that
information,
we're
letting
you
know
hey,
we
don't
collect
this
information
and
then
that
maybe
Spurs
a
conversation.
Well,
why
don't
we?
F
Maybe
we
should
so
that's
ongoing
part
of
his
resources
that
the
county
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
resources
to
to
do
that
analysis
on
a
regular
basis,
but
envy
and
Venezia
did
say
when
we
last
met.
They
do
have
a
lot
of
data
that
is
not
included
in
what
they
send
to
us.
Some
of
it
goes
to
the
board
and
I
did
ask:
can
we
start
providing
that
to
housing
fish
because
we
really
like
to
see
that,
like
immigrants
and
refugees
is
one
area
which
is
like?
F
Oh,
we
do
sometimes
have
information
about
that.
I
was
like.
Oh
I,
didn't
know
that,
so
that's
something
that
it's
a
continual
conversation.
This
is
meant
to
sort
of
be
like
a
first
step
of
we're
committing
as
a
commission
to
this
is
important
to
us.
We
want
to
start
doing
this
and
then
we
can
use
this
as
a
framework
with
staff
to
say
like.
Can
you
help
us
answer
these
questions
as
we're?
You
know
doing
our
review
of
items
before.
L
So,
first
of
all,
I'm
really
pleased
with
this
document
this
framework,
because
I
think
once
we
it
what
I
get
out
of
this
is,
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
Our
decisions
need
to
be
data
driven
in
order
to
achieve
the
equity
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
housing
projects.
We
do
so,
but
that's
not
an
easy
place
to
get,
because,
even
though
the
county
is
going
to
be,
policy
has
been
out
there
for
a
while
the
racial
Equity
policy.
L
L
Point
four
I
was
like:
is
there
a
data
dashboard
or
something
somewhere
for
the
housing
data,
we're
looking
for
like
one
place,
it's
a
home
and
not
just
like
the
updated
Club
study,
but
like
an
actual
dashboard
where
we
could
go
and
see
you
know
or
a
collection
of
links
to
the
databases.
So
we
can
look
up
some
of
this
information.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
we,
like
put
it
on
the
Housing
Commission
page.
The
landlord
tenant
put
it
somewhere,
where
we
can.
L
Anyone
interest
can
go
and
find
these
data
points
like
Anthony
and
everyone's
got
that
stuff
doesn't
do
any
of
us
any
good
when
it's
just
siled
someplace
in
some
office
somewhere
in
this
building
or
or
somebody's
computer.
So
that's
the
first
point.
Is
there
a
reason
we
aren't
asking
developers
when
they're
making
these
presentations
to
also
answer
these
questions
in
their
presentation?
Yeah?
F
This
was
the
way
that
I
framed
it
for
staff
was
I'm,
not
trying
to
like
say
you
all
have
to
do
this.
This
is
meant
to
be
something
that
we're
going
to
try
to
do,
but
we're
going
to
be
asking
you
for
data
to
help
us
make
these
decisions.
We
can
certainly
work
with
staff
to
see.
Is
it
possible
to
you
know,
add
some
of
this
content
within
what
developers
present
staff
shares
the
same
goal
that
we
do
of
trying
to
get
this
information
out
to
make
sure
that
they're
doing
this
analysis?
B
L
Know
where
you're
coming
from
you
I
I.
Thank
you
for
representing
those
meetings
because
I'm
sure
you
got
a
lot
thrown
at
you,
but
on
this
score,
I'm
going
to
stick
to
this
point,
I
mean
not
only
should
we
be
getting
everything
you
just
said
from
you
know
the
county
and
once
they
put
it
in
there
and
they
get
this
mindset.
L
Getting
these
tools
available,
it'll
get
easier
over
the
time
and
they'll
think
why
don't
we
do
it
sooner,
but
the
reason
I
raised
it
that
the
developers
ought
to
be
putting
this
into
their
presentations.
They
need
to
be
thinking
about
this
because
look
at
the
questions
we
keep
giving
them
it's
all
on
this
stuff
and
you
know
they
can
afford
to
pay
their
people
a
lot
more
than
we
can
hire
people
for
the
county.
Let.
B
D
They
come
to
the
Housing
Commission,
specifically,
so,
basically,
what
when
we
you
know,
we
most
of
them
are
familiar
with
the
Housing
Commission,
but
what
we
do
is
we
send
them.
Basically,
it
says
email
saying
you're
invited
to
the
Housing
Commission.
Please,
you
know,
share
your
plans
for
the
project.
We
let
them
know
that
we
usually
get
questions
on
things
like
accessibility,
so
be
prepared
to
answer
things
like
that.
L
F
H
So
as
a
person
who
serves
people
that
are
buying
a
home,
it
is
very
difficult
sometimes
to
get
all
this
information
to
people.
You.
H
L
C
I
was
gonna,
say
the
the
who
is
is
burdened
is
you
could
do
because
they're
I
mean
HUD
has
HUD
already
has
mapping
systems?
You
can
go
into
and
check
down
to
the
some
support,
sub
census,
block
group
in
terms
of
income,
and
you
know
race
and
income.
So
you
can
get
those
pieces
that
piece
at
least
well
I
mean
I
yeah.
Neither
is
the
census,
but
I
mean
if
we
have
to
deal
with
what
we've
got,
but
you
could
at
least
get.
F
That
and
and
I
do
want
to
add
to
you
that
I
I
would
like
to
invite
like
Anna,
Benicia
and
Anthony
Houston
right,
so
the
head
of
the
planning
Division
and
that
had
a
housing
division
say,
come
and
present
to
us
on
what
data
do
they
have?
What
could
they
be
sharing
with
us
when
it
comes
to
site
plans
when
it
comes
to
other?
You
know,
projects
and
policies
coming
before
the
commission,
I,
don't.
F
F
I
mean
we
could
potentially
do
like
a
separate
resolution
or
something
asking
for
these
things
and
I
I
would
prefer
to
have
that
discussion
with
them.
First
and
then
you.
F
They
have
see
what
they
think,
because
they
want
to
work
with
us
on
this.
It
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
probably
just
a
question
of
timing
that,
like
I,
can
do
that
for
you
it's
just
going
to
be
a
year,
because
I
have
to
do
these
other
things
first,
and
you
know
here's
our
priority
list
so
I
think
continue
with
that
conversation.
F
Offline,
I
think
this
helps
move
us
forward
and
then
having
them
come,
maybe
in
the
fall
to
present
on
like
here's
the
data
we
currently
have
access
to
that,
we
could
be
sharing
with
you.
Here's
what
that
could
look
like
and
then
sort
of
shaping
that.
L
From
there
that
sounds
really
good.
I
know
I'm
starting
I'm,
starting
to
sound
a
bit
like
a
data
evangelist
and
all
this
stuff,
but
I
think
that
it's
a
good
framework,
I
I,
really
think
it'll
make
the
decision
making
Tighter
and
it'll
help
the
Housing
Commission
really
drill
down
into
some
important
recommendations
with
back.
You
know,
data
backing
it
up.
I
do
foresee,
however,
that
when
we
start
using
this,
that
we
may
not
have
questions,
you
know
answers
or
some
of
these
questions
and
the
the
response
you
know
will
be.
L
You
know
this.
Must
you
know
this
needs
to
be
looked
into?
We
need
to
develop
the
data
on
this,
so
I
think,
particularly
at
the
start
that
that
might
be
where
we
are
with
some
of
this,
but
I
look
forward
to
at
least
having
the
framework
to
drive
those
questions
and
I
do
think
it's
not
only
for
the
partnership
between
us
and
the
staff
resources
here
within
the
County's
structure,
but
again
it's
also
working
with
developers
and
the
other
stakeholders.
L
For
example,
we
were
talking
about
the
lgbtq,
you
know
questioning
we
should
you
know
they
can
be
engaged
to
see.
Hey
we've
got
this
development.
Is
there
anything
going
on,
you
know,
are
you
hearing?
Is
anyone
in
your
community
have
something
to
offer
about
this
or
that
we
should
be
asking?
It
might
not
be
very
specific
at
first
but
I
think
over
time
it
would
develop.
I
Yeah
so
I
agree
with
this
being
like
a
really
good
framework
to
work
off
of
I.
Think
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
because
again,
my
first
meeting
but
from
what
I,
especially
having
these
conversations
with
developers
tonight,
it
seems
like,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
still
policy
and
laws
that
kind
of
restrict
us
right.
So
we
asked
all
those
questions
today,
like
you
know
you,
you
asked
for
more
affordable
units
or
we
talked
about
the
impacts
that
these
developments
have
on
communities,
underrepresented
communities
and
stuff
like
that.
B
I
F
And
I
think
part
of
it
to
Lawrence.
Community
is
you're,
establishing
or
you're
building
a
wreck.
I
mean
Mike
said
this
too
you're
establishing
a
record
right
like
every
time,
you're
asking
that
question
and
if
the
answer
is
well,
we
didn't
even
look
at
the
lgbtq
plus
population,
for
you
know
this
neighborhood,
and
so
we
have
no
data
on
that.
F
That
becomes
a
point
to
say:
like
hey,
every
developer,
that
we've
talked
to
and
looked
at
this
and
County
staff,
you
go
to
the
board
and
you
say
why
does
no
one
care
about
the
lgbtq
plus
population
when
it
comes
to
housing?
Why
do
we
have
this
Equity
resolution?
That
says
this
is
an
important
population
that
has
unique
burdens
in
our
community,
but
we're
not
doing
anything
about
that
and
then
that
becomes
like
well
now
we
have
data
that
shows
we're
not
doing
anything
about
that.
I
F
I
mean
we
know,
there's
unaddressed
needs
and
we
saw
that
in
the
fair
housing
plan
that
you
know
they
even
talked
about
here's
the
issues
with
lgbtq
population
that
they're
facing
there's
no
strategies
or
actions
related
to
them.
So
it's
I
think
that's
that's
part
of
what
we
can
do
by
establishing
this
for
ourselves
and
then
having
those
conversations
Doris
did
you
have
yeah.
M
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
I
think
this
is
excellent,
particularly
because
I
think
it
helps
Arlington
get
ahead
of
the
new,
preferably
forwarding
for
housing,
Rule
and
and
and
all
of
the
the
requirements
that
that
it
looks
like
from
reading
the
proposed
rule
will
be
there
and
and
then
it
it
also
advances
the
whole
idea
of
equity
throughout
the
community.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
really
great
I've
just
had
a
curiosity
question
it.
F
Doors,
I
actually
don't
know
anything
about
the
One
Fairfax
policy.
Oh,
it's!
It's
racial
Equity
policy.
Okay!
F
If,
if
you
could
forward
me
any
information
about
that
that'd
be
helpful
to
take
a
look
at
yeah,
I
I.
Think
that
was
the
other
interesting
thing
when
I
was
putting
this
together
is
that
Arlington
has
started
with
race,
which
is
great,
it's
very
important.
To
start,
you
know
somewhere
and
starting
with
racial
Equity.
It's
very
important
but
I.
Also
recognized
I
was
like
none
of
these
other
categories
in
that
could
be
resolution
anywhere.
There's
there's
no
framework
for
them.
There's!
No!
It's
not
part
of
the
conversation.
F
It's
only
focused
on
Race,
which
is
a
huge
improvement
from
not
focusing
on
any
of
them,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
for
our
commission
that
it's
it's
not
just
race,
that's
hugely
important!
F
You
know
part
of
the
equity
framework,
but
there's
all
these
other
categories
as
well.
That
also
deserve
our
attention,
and
so
for
me
it
was
also
a
reminder
to
the
county
of
like
hey.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
other
groups
that
also
have
unique
challenges
and
burdens
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about.
In
addition
to
the
challenges
that
people
of
different
races
and
ethnicities.
M
Face
and
and
may
I
say
that
I
I,
actually
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
see
and
really
liking
it
because
it
brings
us.
You
know,
because
because
you
can't
separate
some
of
the
intersectionality
here,
I
mean
there
are
by
cop
people
who
are
also
have
disabilities
are
have
any
any
number
of
intersections.
So
I
think
that's
important,
but
one
in
Phase
I
will
say
that
I
mentioned
and
I
will
send
to
you.
M
M
It's
awfully
marginalized
groups
in
in
in
in
the
policy,
but
but
it's
not
irresistible
weird
idea
is,
is
more
practical.
Getting
at
the.
F
F
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
and
it
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
and
I
will
also
one
thing:
staff
suggested
with
sending
this
to
other
commissions
so
that
they
can
consider
adopting
something
similar
I
know
the
Planning
Commission
has
like
an
equity
statement,
but
it's
not
it's
not
sort
of
guidance
for
themselves
so
now
that
it's
improved
I
will
happily
send
this
to
other
commissions
for
their
own
consideration
as
they
conduct
business.
Thanks.
L
F
The
work
yes,
thank
you
all
next
is
the
2022
Housing
Commission
annual
report.
F
That's
getting
bumped
from
the
agenda
starting
in
February
and
I,
do
want
to
to
give
credit
to
Eric
purkey,
who
really
had
put
most
of
this
together,
like
90
of
it,
because
as
he
was
like,
oh
one
of
the
things
you
need
to
do
is
put
together
an
annual
report
from
last
year
and.
B
J
F
You're
there,
so
this
is
like
the
last
thing
he
did
for
our
commission.
Yes,
was
putting
this
together,
so
it's
pretty
similar
to
the
2021.
B
F
H
N
F
D
Okay,
one
second
I
need
to
open
it
up
in
my
email
here.
So
I
did
not.
D
D
Okay,
so
I
was
unable
to
send
these
out
before
I'm
sorry
about
that
there
were
not.
There
was
only
a
handful,
a
few
minor
updates
to
projects.
D
You
know
that
were
sent
out
the
the
month
prior.
One
of
the
issues
I
was
having
was
actually
the
meetings.
Roster
and
I
know
that's
something
Helen
wants
to
go
over
tonight,
but
the
only
the
only
big
update-
and
it
is
good
news-
Park
Shirlington
closed
on
its
financing
last
week.
So
yes
I,
guess
that
is
closed.
Officially,
so
that's
that's
the
one
substantive
update
other
than
that.
There
are
a
few
June
items
here:
the
Continuum
of
Care,
which
I
know.
F
So
the
Continuum
of
Care
is
basically
our
homelessness
Services
within
the
county,
so
prevention
providing
Services
while
people
are
homeless
and
then
helping
them
transition
out
of
homelessness
and
then
so
continue
repair.
Is
a
committee
made
up
of
the
county
and
like
non-profit
Representatives,
to
discuss
what
that
should
look
like,
and
they
you
know,
help
advise
on
what
to
do
so.
We
needed
a
representative
to
it's,
not
just
that
many.
F
One,
let
me
look
at
the
schedule
that
works
yeah,
because
I
think
that's
like
we
typically
similar
to
sitsac
we've
had
someone
who's
from
the
hospital,
but
if
someone
is
interested
to
you
in
attending
those
like
I
think
we
can
send
more
than
one
person
from
the
housing
condition.
K
Virtual
option,
although
I
actually
have.
F
A
standing
I
think
there
is
a
verb.
There
was
a
virtual
option
for
that.
Correct,
oh
Mike
is
also
interested
in
the
Continuum
of
Care.
Can
we
list
him
as
an
alternate
for
that?
Okay,
and
so
we
can
send
the
information
about
Mike
and.
D
Is
that
next,
so
the
next
one
I
pulled
off
and
that's
why
I
was
trying
to
bring
up
the
private
development
page
there
I
think
it
might
be
a
typo
on
the
private
development,
page
I
believe
it's
the
courthouse
West
site,
which
is
right
next
to
like
well,
not
too
far
from
here
right
next
to
the
Whole
Foods
down
there
I
think
there's
a
PNC
kind
of
like
drive-through
thing
and
it's
mostly
surface
Lots
yeah.
D
So
there
was
a
I
believe:
there's
a
special
glove
study
done
on
that
last
year
and
so
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
that
site
I
would
have
to
confirm,
though
I
think
there
might
have
been
a
typo
on
the
actual
project
page
for
that.
So
that's
that
one
and
then
Sunrise
South,
lead
Eric.
Burkey
was
on
that
one
before,
but
now.
D
So
those
are
the
two
ones
that
are
currently
on
the
calendar
for.
I
B
I
Mean
I
I'm
free
to
do
the
sunrise
South
one
okay.
But
what
actually
is.
F
F
Plan
review
committee-
it
is
so
you
saw
the
presentations
tonight-
is
like
usually
way
before
they
get
to
that
point.
F
Where
they're
it's
still
possible
to
influence
some
of
the
decisions
they
make
even
around
like
what
the
building
looks
like
and
you
could
say
actually
I
think
this
park
should
have
a
water
feature
in
it,
because
this
area
of
the
county
doesn't
have
enough
water
features
and,
unfortunately,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
our
commission,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
can
be
done
to
change
it,
but
that
the
Cyclone
review
committees
and
that's
represent
us
from
like
all
the
different
relevant
commissions,
Parks
and
Rec
transportation
planning.
The
planning.
H
F
Civic
association
and
owners
they
normally
don't
have
tenants
represented,
which
is
terrible
and
talking
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I.
Think
I
sent
out
information
about
some
steps,
they're
going
to
try
to
take
to
to
hopefully
fix
that,
but
we
need
to
fall
for
them
on
that
yeah.
D
B
M
J
C
B
C
B
F
These
meetings
too
it's
different
than
when
they
present
to
us.
So
if
you
say
guys,
why
don't
you
have
three
bedroom
units?
That's
like.
We
need
more
of
those
in
the
County
Airport
yeah
yeah.
They
actually
will
take
that
feedback
and
be
like
okay,
we're
going
to
work
the
staff
and
see
if
we
can
do
three
bedroom
units,
so
they
will
take
that
sort
of
feedback
on
the
the
one
that
I
was
seeing
most
recently.
You
know
we
gave
a
lot
of
feedback.
F
It
was
a
new
building
right
next
to
these
market
rate,
affordable
units,
and
they
were
building
this
really
cool.
Like
park-like
feature
that
was
going
to
be
above,
where
all
the
market
rate
like
low-income
people
would
be
so
they
can
like,
walk
and
see
like
the
the
nice
trees
and
amenities
up
here.
We're
like
come
on.
That's
got
to
be
like
at
grade,
or
you
know,
you're,
basically
creating
a
tier
system
and
that's
like
not
fair,
so
they
took
that
feedback
and
they
they
weren't
able
to
change
it
completely.
B
F
More
trees,
more
shade
that
is
going
to
benefit
everyone,
and
we
made
aspects
of
this
much
more
beneficial
for
everyone
on
the
site
as
not
just
the
people
who
live
in
the
new
luxury
building.
So
they
will
take
that
feedback
and
try
to
you
know
even
things
about
design
the
Planning
Commission
will
go
into
like
I.
Don't
like
how
this
looks
like
you
know,
this
is
ugly
and
you
should
change
that.
I,
don't
like
where
this
door
is.
F
D
D
It's
a
good
question,
so
I've
been
asked
by
a
planner
to
see
if
we've
had
we
have
anyone
interested
in
that
it
there's
not
a
large,
affordable
housing
component.
I.
Think
where
it
comes
into
play
is
something
like,
for
example,
the
Clarendon
sector
plan
discussion.
We
had
about
fire
station
4
over
there.
You
know
that
is
a
public
facility
and
if
they're
talking
about
what
to
do
next
with
that,
you
know
down
the
line,
you
know
they
think
that
there
should
be
someone
for
everything.
D
That's
commission
at
the
table
for
that
I'm,
not
sure
how
often
what
percent
of
their
meetings
actually
discuss
anything
regarding
affordable
housing,
but
that
invite
is
open
to
this
commission
for
representative
I
I
can
look
into
providing
more.
H
F
Know
do
you
know,
do
they
meet
once
a
month
we
have
anyone
who's
interested
in
serving
as
a
rep
on
the
public.
Do.
D
So
it
looks
like
it
they're
kind
of
set
up
in
between
there's
no
real
termination.
There's
not
book.
Currently
a
new
one
planned
the
last
one
was
May
17th
and
there's
not
another
one
on
the
calendar
right
now.
They
have
only
met
three
times
this
year,
though
so
far
sign.
N
Is
someone?
Is
there.
B
F
N
They
it's
pretty
interesting.
You
know,
I
think
it
was
in
the
news,
obviously
where
they
got
rid
of
you
know
in
those
meetings,
the.
N
But
yeah,
so
they
it
was
really
basic.
I
tried
to
just
you
know,
say
as
much
as
I
can,
but
we
know
the
location
of
the
building.
There
was
a
lot
more
other
voices
in
the
room,
so
yeah
so
that
one's
done.
Hopefully
it
sounds
like
a
good
project.
Foreign
developers.
N
Really
took
what
people
were
saying
to
heart
to
try
to
and-
and
they
were
limited
also
due
to
the
fact
of
the
location
of
the
Horizon
building,
all
that
all
that
stuff.
But
that's
done
like.
L
The
Boston
Holiday
Inn
I
believe
that's
the
one
that
Michael
covers
for
me,
because
I
had
my
husband,
surprised
me
with
concert
tickets,
so
I
definitely
had
a
date
night
with
my
spouse
and
Michael
stepped
in
on
M1.
So,
if
he's
still
on
the
which
I
was
very
grateful
for
so
yeah.
O
Yeah,
just
on
that
one
I
actually
asked
the
developer
about.
You
know
I
think
at
our
last
meeting
we
we
have
to
have
the
developers
come
prepared
to
tell
us
when
the
last
time
was
that
they
put
on-site
unit,
so
I
actually
asked
developer
and
they
they
couldn't
answer.
O
We
gave
them
a
couple
minutes
to
look,
and
so
we
did
ask
them
to
come.
You
know
prepared
to
the
housing
to
be
able
to
speak
about.
You
know
when
the
last
time
was
that
they
put
on-site
units
and
then
the
representative
from
the
Planning
Commission
kind
of
jumped
in
and
said
we
want
the
same
thing
from
planning-
surprisingly,
maybe
not
so
surprisingly,
but
the
civic
association
rep
was
demanding
more
affordable
housing
and
they
really
treated
the
person
like
really
poorly.
O
He
had
a
lot
of
concerns
about
I,
guess,
there's
like
a
trail
that
leads
to
a
nearby
school
or
Community
Center
and
the
construction
is
going
to
block
the
the
trail.
I
guess.
A
lot
of
the
kids
use
that
Trail
to
stay
off
of
must
be
like
Fairfax
Drive,
and
so
there
were
some
concerns
about
that.
But
the
developer
was
not
able
to
answer
it
and
then
just
lastly,
just
off
the
top
of
my
head,
there
were
some
concerns
about
traffic
coming
off
of
66.
O
The
residents
would
need
to
make
like
an
immediate
right
into
the
parking
lot
and
there's
some
concern
that
you
know
coming
off
of
66
at
you
know:
50
60
miles
an
hour,
it's
going
to
cause
some
accidents,
because
the
turn
Space
is
really
narrow.
There's
also
only
one
street
to
come
back
out
so
cars,
making
a
right
on
to
Fairfax
and
making
a
right
off
Fairfax
into
the
community
is
a
it's
a
pretty
tight
space.
So
those
are
the
notes
that
I
have
off
the
top
of
my
head.
F
F
Think
it's
22
20,
Fairfax,
Drive
and
I'd
already
shared
with
you
all
three
emails.
Some
of
the
previous
outcomes
of
that
which
was
a
big
concern.
I,
had
that
there
were
no
tenants
represented
at
the
meeting
and
the
existing
units
as
they
sit
there.
Historical.
It
was
the
site
that
I
was
I
just
used
the
example
from
they're,
now
historic
and
but
they're
very,
very
cheap
units.
I
lived
there
for
10
years,
they're
like
ridiculously
cheap
for
being
in
Courthouse.
G
F
Wakefield,
but,
and
what
they're
doing
is
to
preserve
those
as
historic
market
rate,
affordable
they're,
taking
the
parking
lot
that
the
most
of
the
residents
use
and
they're
building
a
high-rise
on
it,
which
I
think
is
a
great
idea.
F
The
problem
is
all
those
residents
are
losing
a
good
chunk
of
their
parking
for
construction,
they're,
going
to
lose
all
their
parking
for
like
two
years
and
then,
when
the
site
is
up,
they're
they're
getting
30
units
in
a
garage
they
currently
have
like
I,
think
it's
like
45
and
they're
also
losing
street
parking,
which
the
parking
is
completely
utilized
every
day.
So
my
concern
that
I
brought
up
during
this
this
latest
meeting
was
you're
displacing
residents.
F
By
doing
this,
like
there
are
going
to
be
residents
who
say,
I
have
a
car
I
will
have
nowhere
to
park
my
car.
How
can
I
continue
living
here
and
I?
Ask
staff
like
do
we
have
a
policy
that
says
when
we
displace
tenants
through
something
like
this,
that
there's
some
sort
of
Assistance
or
you
know,
mitigation
that
that
we
do
and
no
response
so
I
reached
out
to
Matt
D
franzi
afterwards
raised
the
issue
with
him
and
also
planning
and
housing
staff.
F
He
just
got
back
to
me
I,
think
today
and
said
that
he's
had
a
discussion
with
staff
about
it.
The
concerns
are
noted,
I,
don't
know
if
anything
more
is
going
to
happen,
but
it's
something
that
frustrated
me,
because
the
responses
kind
of
will
you
know,
Arlington
is
a
you
know,
car-free
diet,
community
and
I
was
like,
but
you
were
taking
away
parking
that
people
rely
on
who
already
lived
there.
This
is
it's
very
different
when
you're
building
a
new
building
and
you're
saying
okay,
we're
just
not
going
to
provide
parking.
F
People
know
that
going
in
you're
taking
away
something
people
currently
have.
We
know
many
of
them
are
low
income
and
we
had
three
residents
who
were
there,
who
said
I
will
have
to
move
like
I
have
to
drive
to
get
to
my
job.
It's
not
much
accessible,
it's
not
like
public
transit
accessible
and
the
response
was
just
kind
of
shrug
like
that
sucks,
and
so
you
know
my
point
to
the
academy
was:
we
should
have
some
sort
of
policy
in
place.
F
That
says
when
you're
impacted
like
this,
whether
it's
moving
Assistance
or
something
that
that
recognizes
we
have
displaced
you.
The
County
Board
has
approved
the
project.
That
is
forcing
you
to
leave
so
yeah
I
raised
the
concern
and
you
know
I'll
I'll
keep
at
it,
but
I
don't
know
if
anything
immediately
is
going
to
change
it
as
a
result
of
that.
But
that
was
one
of
the
major
concerns
that
I
had.
F
G
K
H
We
also,
we
talked
a
big
part
of
it
actually
was
the
equity
discussion
that
you
talked
about.
That
was
actually
probably
most
of
the
meeting,
but
we
also
got
a
summary
of
their
we've
been
doing
these
ownership
study.
Roundtables
we've
got
a
summary
of
how
those
have
gone
and
now
they're
going
to
start
the
local
community
engagement
and
the
dates
have
changed
so
I,
don't
know
the
exact
dates
but
I
think
beliefs,
I
have
June
6,
but
don't
write
that
down.
J
H
Thing
I'm
meeting
with
her
on
Monday,
so
I'll
know
about
Monday
what
the
dates
are
so
and
we're
going
to
start
off
with
the
virtual
community
engagement
and
then
we
do
also
in.
F
F
They
talk
about
the
tenant
Forum
with
the
county,
sponsoring
that's
on
Saturday
Saturday
and
which
is
great
and
I
hope
that
goes
well.
Hopefully,
some
people
can
make
it
I.
Think
I
have
a
conflict
for
that,
but
I
think
that
was.