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A
Okay,
that
was
that
we'll
look
at
everyone's
who
are
first
of
two
February
Housing
Commission
meetings,
this
one
in.
B
A
The
next
one
will
be
virtual,
and
so
we
have
two
public
comment.
Speakers
today,
I,
don't
know
which
one
is
oh
I
guess.
Tina
I
would
like
to
go
first.
So
just
from
here:
okay,
okay,.
C
That's
right:
Arlington,
County
Commission!
Thank
you
for
your
commitment
to
represent
Arlington
County
Virginia
residents
on
behalf
of
Park
Roslyn
Roslyn
Ridge,
Development,
Corporation
apartment
residents,
who
need
and
use
the
affordable
housing
resources.
Please
be
informed
that
one
we
are
anxiously
concerned
about
and
we
strongly
oppose
modifications
made
to
charge
a
125
dollar
monthly
parking
fee
that
is
being
imposed
on
families
who
need
to
park
a
second
vehicle
at
our
residence
of
Park
rosin.
C
Supposedly,
the
parking
fee
was
established
in
2015
when
SL
news
bomb
assumed
Property
Management
under
Alpha
apah
Arlington
partnership
for
affordable
housing.
That
equates
to
one
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
each
year
that
can
be
used
to
pay
bills
by
prescriptions
by
groceries,
pay
for
vehicle
maintenance.
Put
money
aside
for
savings
Etc
at
the
very
least.
The
three
long-term
families
who
are
now
affected
by
this
change
in
parking
policy
should
at
least
be
grandfathered
meaning
allowed
to
park
their
second
vehicle
for
free.
C
The
second
vehicle
is
driven
by
a
spouse
or
child
who
is
documented
on
the
lease
agreement.
Two.
We
are
very
concerned
that
apparently,
a
significant
change
was
made
to
park
Roslyn's
parking
policy.
Yet
there
was
no
documented
policy
change
presented
to
park
Ross
and
residents
who
lived
in
the
affordable
dwelling
units
before
2015.
C
residents
should
have
been
notified
in
advance
of
such
costly
Financial
changes.
Three.
We
encourage
Arlington
County
Housing
Commission
through
its
resources
and
means
to
uphold
and
enforce
Equity,
to
include
preserving
the
affordable
housing
stability
for
residents
and
to
put
a
termination
to
the
current
parking
segregation
practice
of
isolating
the
affordable
housing
residents
to
park
on
P3
bottom
level
of
Park
rosin's
multi-level
parking
garage.
The
bottom
level
parking
is
area
is
intentionally
painted
a
different
color
from
the
other
three
parking
levels.
C
As
this
distinguishes
where
the
affordable
housing
residents
are
to
park,
a
vehicle
owned
by
a
resident
using
affordable
housing
resources
will
be
towed
if
parked
on
the
wrong
level.
According
to
the
current
parking
in
practice,
those
using
affordable
housing
resources
are
not
worthy
to
park
on
the
upper
parking
garage
levels
of
P1
or
P2.
Last
month,
I
was
told
this
marginalized
parking
practice
would
change.
As
of
today
February
9
2023.
It
is
still
enforced
on
January
21st
2023
I
spoke
with
the
County
Board
I
spoke
during
the
County
Board
public
comment
session.
Guarding
these
issues.
C
Apparently,
the
County
Board
is
not
in
a
position
to
resolve
all
concerns
and
on
January
24
2023
I
received
a
call
from
Carmen,
Romero
CEO
and
president
of
Arlington
partnership
for
affordable
housing.
App
of
Ms
Romero
informed
me
that
she
is
aware
of
my
public
comment
comments
to
the
County
Board
and
she
spoke
with
her
team
and
was
invite
and
advised
me
that
they
decided
that
the
residents
using
affordable,
Human
Resources
will
soon
be
allowed
to
park
on
any
of
the
three
parking
garage
levels.
The
residents
this
hasn't
happened.
C
Yet
the
residents
and
I
await
formal
notice
of
this
change.
Unfortunately,
the
Apple
team
did
not
authorize
to
stop
the
125
monthly
parking
fee
imposed
recently
on
residents
using
affordable
housing
resources
who
Park
a
second
vehicle.
The
first
vehicle
is
parked.
Free
I
also
had
asked
for
the
three
families
to
be
grandfathered
grandfathered
in
with
the
former
parking
policy
to
park
a
second
vehicle
at
no
charge.
The
three
affected
families
have
each
lived
at
Park
Rosen
for
11
years
or
more,
each
Arlington
County
Housing
Commission.
Thank
you
in
advance.
A
D
A
You
very
much
for
your
public
comments,
and
so
you
said
that
there
was
recently
a
change
in
the.
C
Point
so
in
2015
the
management
company
changed
it
used
to
be
Paradigm.
Now
it's
SL
news
bomb,
so
2015.
A
And
so
when
you
spoke
with
Carmen
Ramiro,
she
said
that
she
was
working
with
the
team
to
address
the
issue
of
segregating
the
CAF
residents
to
park
on
a
separate
floor.
But
she
said
what
did
she
say
regarding
the
125
a
month
for
the
the
second
vehicle.
C
So
she
said
their
team
met
and
they
decided
that
that
would
need
to
stay
in
place
and
I
again
emphasized
that
we
were
not
given
notice.
So
when
the
policy
changed,
where
was
the
notice
given
I
was
given
notice
in
person
by
the
manager?
I
went
to
the
office
in
September
of
last
year
and
literally
right
when
I
went
to
the
office.
For
another
reason,
the
manager
said
you
need
to
start
paying
125
a
month
for
parking,
so
I'm
like
I,
was
what
what
yeah
yeah.
C
So
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
communication,
and
if
a
policy
has
changed,
let
us
know
that
just
kind
of
like
that
immediate.
D
D
C
No,
so
that's
what
I
brought
to
their
attention.
I
said:
I
signed
my
lease
in
August,
I
renew
every
August,
or
it
starts
again
every
August,
so
I
said
to
them.
You
can
go.
Look
at
my
lease
for
the
last
12
years.
I've
been
there,
it
actually
says
zero.
It's
not
like.
We
left
it
off
by
accident.
It's
typed
in
zero
parking.
So
I
said
how
can
you
enforce
it
after
you've
signed
it?
So
what
they
agreed
is
for
me.
C
C
So
there's
three
families
that
are
affected
by
that
all
of
I've
been
there.
The
least
I've
been
there,
it'll
be
12
years
and
other
families
have
been
there.
13
I
think
14
years
whenever
the
property
started.
So
that's
what
that's
where
we
are
with
that
right
now,.
C
Yes,
yes,
I
have
talked
to
Mr
Eric.
F
C
I
want
to
say
housing.
I
forget
the
exact
name.
I
spoke
with
him,
because
what
I
was
told
is
that
the
original
documents,
when
that
building
was
built,
that
this
is
hearsay,
that's
why
I
was
trying
to
get
the
document
that
that
original
document
specifies
we
are
supposed
to.
We
meaning
afford
people
who
are
using
the
affordable
housing
resources
at
Park
Ross
and
that
we
should
park
for
free,
including
that
it
didn't
specify.
First,
second,
third:
vehicle:
that's
hearsay!
That's
someone
who
telling
me
this
so
I
was
asking:
where
are
those
documents?
C
I
thought
the
county
should
have
those
documents
Mr
T
Moore
said
his?
Is
that
me
Mr
T
Moore
said
his
group
doesn't
have
it
so
then
I
was
in
contact
with
Miss,
Virginia,
McGee
or
something
she
goes
by
Jenny
or
Jenny
McGee
with
Virginia
Housing,
which
used
to
be
Virginia
Department
of
Housing,
and
she
said
that
they
couldn't
find
the
original
documents
either.
So,
of
course,
there's
supposedly
I
didn't
ask
Apple
for
the
documents.
C
Maybe
Apple
has
those
documents,
but
I
just
asked
the
county
and
I
asked
Virginia
Housing
and
they
said
they
don't
they
they
don't
have
those
documents.
I
just
wanted
to
see
what
the
specifications
were.
C
A
mixed
use,
property
there's
market
and
there's
affordable.
When
you
have
those
type
of
agreements,
there's
usually
some
type
of
specification.
So
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
have
them
look
at
and
even
if
you
did
change
it,
we
weren't
notified
to
tell
me
immediately
right
in
my
face.
Your
account
is
being
obsessed,
125
dollars,
that's
that's
yeah,
quite
unfair
and
it's
expensive.
Yes,.
A
And
I
mean
you
talk
to
Eric,
how
did
how
did
things
end?
Did
he
just
say?
Oh
the
that
shouldn't
be
you.
D
C
C
Sick
but
I've
already
communicated
with
her
too
oh,
so
he's
like
well,
you've
already
done
all
and
I
said
yes,
but
nonetheless,
I
still
feel
that
I'm
not
being
hurt.
We
are
not
being
heard
if
I
ever
say
I.
Please
know
I'm
representing
the
residents
I've
spoken
with
different
residents
about
this,
and
so
the
the
conclusion
was
Virginia
McGee
emailed
me
and
copied
it
to
Eric,
T
Moore
and
someone
with
apple
and
ESO
news
bomb
to
basically
say
in
my
situation.
C
I
would
not
have
to
start
paying
until
August
1st
2023,
because
they've
already
signed
my
lease
statement,
the
other
residents.
Unfortunately
one
resident,
she
told
me
she
and
her
husband
have
already
been
paying
that
fee
for
two
years,
the
resident
another
Resident
who
Parks
beside
me.
She
said
they
told
her
she'll
start
paying
in
March
of
this
year,
so
she'll
start
paying
next
month.
C
We
all
were
just
like
well,
what's
going
on,
how
do
you
just
change
policies?
You
don't
tell
us-
or
you
tell
us
at
the
last
minute
or
you've,
got
this
resident
who's,
paying
it
for
two
years.
How
come
I
wasn't
paying
it
for
two?
Not
that
I
want
to
pay
it,
but
it's
just
like
when
rules
change,
policies,
change
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
regulations,
I
think
when
I
say
I,
a
group
of
us
think
that
it
should
have
been
in
writing
to
us.
Give
us
some
time
to.
C
C
C
So
now
going
forward,
it
is,
but
what
about
the
resident
who's
been
paying
it
for
two
years?
It's
like
what,
when
she
told
me
that
I
said
I'm,
sorry
and
I
I
didn't
know
you
were
paying
that
otherwise
I
would
have
tried
to
help
you,
but
nonetheless,
they've
decided
that
families
decided
they're
moving
in
three
months
and
I
just
told
her
I'm.
Sorry
she's,
like
we're
not
putting
up
with
this
there's,
been
a
lot
of
changes.
A
H
I
just
have
a
question:
how
did
they
get
that
number
125
did
they
explained
because
of
your
affordable
housing
shouldn't
It
Go
by
a
scale,
because
125
seems
kind
of
steep
for
parking,
so.
C
C
I
have
no
idea
how
that
125
came
I
think
this
is
just
what
my
thought
is.
If
you're
on
the
market
rate
you're
paying
full
price,
that
is
the
price
for
market
rate
125.,
so
I'm
assuming
then
they
just
said.
Well,
then
we're
going
to
change
we're
going
to
charge
the
affordable
housing
residence
in
my
mind
that
just
does
not
sound
right.
It's
affordable
housing
we're
on
this
because
we
qualify
because
we
don't
have
the
income
resources
that
the
market
rate
can
pay.
So
there's
something
that
I'm,
not
understanding.
Obviously
that
they've
decided.
C
A
sliding
scale
and
I
do
want
to
be
clear.
The
first
parking
is
free,
so
I
have
two
vehicles.
When
I
moved
in
there,
I
had
four
children
they
grow.
They
get
their
driver's
license.
Thankfully
I'm
as
a
single
parent
I'm,
not
the
one
doing
all
the
driving
anymore,
so
sometimes
I
know
I
get
it.
Arlington
would
rather
be
a
car
free
diet.
It's
just
not
possible.
Sometimes
when
you've
got
one
in
football,
one
in
crew,
one
in
ballet.
It's
just
like.
Please
somebody
help
me
now
they're
driving.
Thank
you.
Now.
C
It's
like
a
penalty.
Okay,
you
got
that
second
vehicle.
You
got
125
fee,
so
it's
like,
oh,
my
goodness,
okay,
so
I've
got
to
start
thinking
about
that
budgeting
that
starting
in
August,
but
again
one
family's
been
paying
it.
For
two
years
my
neighbor
said
she
has
to
start
paying
it
in
March
and
we've
all
been
there.
You
know
I
said
I.
G
C
K
So
I
was
I,
have
seen
one
of
the
replies,
I'm,
not
sure
from
Eric
team
or
I'm,
not
sure
the
back
and
forth
on
that
I
do
know
at
one
point
he
which
I
think
you've
already
mentioned
tonight.
He
did
get
in
contact
with
Virginia
Housing
and
they
did
say
that
that
second
spot
fee
could
be
charged.
K
I,
don't
know
any
more
about
the
documents
or
who
has
them
I've.
Obviously
they
are
somewhere
so
I'm
sure.
That's
something
that
you.
A
K
We
could
look
into
if
there
was.
K
I'm
not
exactly
sure
about
product
Roswell
I
think
it
might
have
been
a
site
plan
on-site
units,
so
I
believe
that
is
the
case
for
that
project.
But
yeah
I
will
obviously
let
staff
your
in
housing
now
and
we'll
figure
that
out
and
get
a
response
back
to
you.
We
already
have
your
contact
info.
F
A
A
few
people
and
yeah
so
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
Abba,
as
well
as
the
county,
to
see
if
we
can
figure
out
a
better
solution
to
at
least
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
legally,
they
can't
just
attack
on
fees
in
the
middle
of
your
lease
that
that's
that's
not
allowed,
and
but
definitely
you
know
beyond
that.
Seeing
like
what
can
be
done
to
to
ease
the
burden
on
residents
there.
C
Okay
and
I
think
I
freaking
forgot
to
mention
not
only
do
I
speak
with
apple
accounting,
Virginia
Housing
I
also
spoke
with
SL
news
phone
who's,
the
management
and
so
I've
I'm.
Trying
to
do
my
due
diligence
and
it's
like
I
I,
don't
know
where
else
to
go
with
this,
except
to
keep
reaching
out
until
it
makes
more
sense
for.
A
Us
residents
now
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
did,
probably
what
I
would
have
done
in
the
same
situation.
I.
C
L
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
tonight.
What
you
know
if
you
had
a
magic
wand,
you
know
I
heard
you
talk
about
communication.
What
else
would
you
expect
from
Apple?
What
do
you
want
them
to
do
at
this
moment
or
this
picture
at.
C
This
moment
I'd
love
for
Apple
to
say
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention.
Yes,
we
will
change
at
work.
Communication
needs
to
be
forthcoming,
which
I
and
I
think
they
have
done.
That
I
did
hear
from
Carmen,
Romero
and
and
if
I
recall
on
our
conversation,
that's
what
she
said:
we're
going
to
be
more
transparent
with
our.
If
anything
changes
that
affects
you
all
so
making
sure
that's
in
place,
but
also
during
that
conversation
with
with
Carmen
on
January
24th,
she
did
say
soon.
C
She
said
that
the
team
agreed
that
those
on
affordable
housing
will
be
able
to
park
anywhere
in
the
building,
because
right
now
we're
on
the
bottom
level
clearly
see.
The
bottom
level
is
different.
It's
pain,
different,
the
lighting
is
different.
The
cleanup
is
different.
It's
clearly
that's
affordable
housing.
It
shouldn't
be
that
distinction.
When
you
get
on
the
elevator
with
everyone
else,
you
press,
P3,
everyone
automatically
knows
affordable
housing.
When
you
drive
through
the
car
garage
and
you
go
past
two
three
everybody
already
knows:
affordable
housing.
C
We
shouldn't
be
marginalized,
like
that,
and
so
she
did
say
on
January
23rd.
When
we
spoke,
she
said
that
her
team
agreed
that
they
would
change
that.
She
said
soon
as
relative
to
whoever
I
don't
know
what
synonym
means.
I
didn't
say
to
her
what
date
she
just
said
soon
we're
at
February,
9th
I,
don't
know
what
soon
is,
but
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet
there's
no
notices
up
saying
that
we
can
park
wherever
also,
we
have
parking
stickers
that
are
different
from
the
rest
of
the
building,
so
there's
it's,
they
have
green
stickers.
C
C
So
I'd
like
for
them
also
to
say
the
three
families
that
were
affected
by
this
that
were
in
place
before
this
change.
You
guys
are
going
to
be
grandfathered
in
I,
may
not
be
using
the
proper
term.
That's
the
only
term
I
know
to
say
we're
going
to
let
you
all
stay
with
the
old
policy.
I'd
love
for
them
to
tell
that
family
that
was
paying
for
two
years.
We're
gonna
credit
you
all,
but
actually
they
said
they're
moving.
They
said
they're
just
not
put.
There
were
some
other
things
going
on
they're
like
we've.
C
Had
it
we
I
loved
it
and
to
say
here's
a
check.
You
know,
here's
your
here's,
your
money,
but
I'd
love
for
them
to
simply
say
sorry
that
you
guys
are
having
to
go
through
this.
You
know
it's
stressful,
it's
it's
I!
Don't
like
doing
this!
C
You
you
become
this
Troublemaker
with
with
the
office.
Oh
There,
She,
Goes,
Again,
no
I'm.
Just
trying
to
you
know,
and
one
thing
the
manager
said
to
me.
His
name
is
Cameron
at
Park
Ross
and
he
he
said
well,
you
know
I
have
to
treat
everybody
fairly.
That's
why
you're
being
charged
so
I
said
affordable
housing
and
he
said
well,
you
know
I
have
to
treat
everyone
fairly.
So
that's
when
I
told
them
well.
I
need
to
take
this
up
with
someone
else
and
he's
like
go
right
ahead.
A
A
Excuse
that
people
use
when
they
don't
have
a
good
reason
for
doing
something,
but
I
think
we
should
probably
go
to
our
next
public
comments.
But
again,
thank
you.
So
much
for
for
coming
in
and
I
will
definitely
be
following
up.
F
A
A
Sure,
actually,
that
would
be
super
helpful
for
me.
Do
you
already
have
a
copy
or
should.
K
Believe,
I
yeah,
you
can
email,
it
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
the
same
as
the
email
I've
already
seen,.
D
K
You
could
email,
whatever
you
have
over
I,
can
make
sure
I
can't
forward
it
to
housing
leadership.
Thank.
C
A
Appreciate
it,
thank
you.
Next
public
comment
is
Brian.
D
N
All
right
good
evening,
Housing
Commission
members,
my
name
is
Brian
Coleman
I'm,
the
second
vice
president
of
the
NAACP
Arlington
branch
and
I'd
like
to
speak
with
you
all
tonight
about
the
save
Affairs
that
several
of
the
ahc
properties,
ABC
prize
itself,
on
being
respectable
and
receptive
provider
of
affordable
housing
to
many
of
our
fellow
arlingtonians.
N
N
Fact
that
made
the
AFC
properties
are
older
and
are
in
desperate
need
of
Renovations.
Therefore,
a
certain
level
of
patience
and
understanding
is
due
when
discussing
problems
at
these
properties.
However,
this
does
not
negate
the
fact
that
the
lives
of
residents
are
being
negatively
impacted
by
factors
perfectly
within
aac's
control.
N
N
N
Issues
can
and
should
be
promptly
addressed
by
HC
management
and
staff,
as
our
tax
dollars
are
funding
substandard
conditions
that
I'm
confident
none
of
us
would
like
to
live
in.
Let
me
be
clear:
affordable
must
never
become
a
byword
for
inferior
when
it
comes
to
housing
and
I.
Believe
is
our
duty
to
ensure
that
these
issues
are
swiftly
rectified.
N
I
am
encouraged
by
the
attitude
of
the
new
AFC
management,
and
the
plans
that
they
have
put
forward
to
improve
conditions
at
their
properties
are
warmly
welcomed.
Furthermore,
the
county
must
demonstrate
leadership,
In
This
Moment,
by
implementing
the
recommendations
submitted
by
the
joint
subcommittee
on
the
status
of
Aging
properties
of
which
you
are
participating.
N
A
I
The
sir,
you
said
the
siriano
and
and
what
are
the
property
Arbor
Heights?
Oh
did
we
have
anything
on
Harbor,
Heights
I
can't
recall
him
right
now.
I
Yes,
yes,
okay,
do
we
have
more
details
of
like
what's
going
on
with
them.
A
So
I
can
give
for
Arbor
Heights
or
Heights.
Okay,
I
don't
want
to
have
more
details,
hey
about
Arbor
Heights.
At
this
time,
I
can
put
an
update
on
my
conversation
with
AAC
about
Serrano,
but
I.
Don't
have
more
information
right
now,
because.
N
Yes,
I
can
speak
to
that
for
a
bit
so,
as
you
know,
Serrano
and
arborgh
one
issue
that
you'll
notice
with
some
of
the
properties
that
while
ahc
is
the
the.
D
N
Manager
there
are
multiple
organizations
they
partner
with
to
handle
different
issues,
so
Drucker
involved
that
one
of
the
companies
that
they
actually
contract
announcement
to
handle
some
of
their
Management
in
office.
So
one
of
the
issues
I
raised
was
regarding
the
mismanagement
of
that
okay,
so
in
Arbor,
Heights
I
spoke
to
a
tenant
who
said
that
they
had
paid
their
rent
and
they
do
so
fairly
commonly
and
they
were
able
to
provide
photocopies
of
the
checks
that
they
were
signing
they
could
give
to
the
office.
N
N
Is
due
here's
a
warning
notice,
this
persisted
for
several
months,
wherein
the
tenant
in
question
had
taken
multiple
photocopies
and
then
brought
them
to
the
office
and
said
I
keep
getting
these
notices
from
you.
But
I
have
this
evidence
of
states
every
single
month,
the
last
four
to
five
months,
I've
paid
my
rent
a
long
time
and
shortly
she
stopped
getting
those
those
notifications.
But
that
indicates
to
me
that
they
didn't
actually
keep
those
records
properly.
N
They
couldn't
have
known
that,
but
they
should
know
that
another
instance
regarding
mismanagement
of
documents
is
another
resident
at
Arbor
Heights.
This
was
back
at
the
end
of
2020,
but
this
issue
is
ongoing
or
the
the
conditions
that
were
a
result
of
this
are
still
ongoing.
She
vacated
her
apartment
on
March
31st
of
2020..
N
She
has
the
paperwork
that
she
signed.
She
was
able
to
provide
that
and
she
left.
That
was
the
the
terms
of
her
agreement
about
three
months
later
she
received
a
notification,
not
a
warning
but
a
notification
of
collections
that
they
were
actually
going
to
charge
the
money
because
she
had
not
vacated
on
time.
It's
not
true.
N
She
clearly
did
and
had
paperwork
to
prove
that,
in
addition,
she
did
not
receive
her
deposit
back
on
her
on
her
calf,
which
they
did
not
give
a
justification.
Why
this
affected
her
credit,
and
so
she
is
living
with
the
financial
ramifications.
Despite
the
fact
that
this
was,
as
I
said
later,
in
2020
into
2023
and.
N
This
yet
so
three
years,
three
years
and
I
think
this
is
indicative
of
the
poor
management
that
that's
taking
place
at
some
of
these.
These
properties,
it's
just
from
a
few
interactions.
I've
had
there
you'll
notice
that
poor
communication
is
also
a
prominent
fixture
in
a
lot
of
these
issues.
So
you
know
many
of
the
residents
at
Serrano
are
Hispanic
can
speak
Spanish
as
their
their
dominant
language.
It
may
not
speak
English
at
all.
N
N
It
just
so
happened
that
the
day
that
I
arrived
to
do
my
walkthrough
to
January,
20th
I
believed
they
had
put
on
the
the
notices,
even
though
they've
been
experiencing
problems
with
the
elevators,
including
one
period
where
both
elevators
had
gone
out
five
weeks
late
and
to
kind
of
add
insult
to
injury.
Both
of
those
analysis
were
in
English.
N
There
I've
spoken
to
some
of
the
the
management
team,
specifically
working
with
Drucker
and
Falk
in
their
their
leasing
office,
and
they
they
claim
that
they're
trying
to
be
better
about
this.
But
it
seems
contrary
to
the
evidence
that
you,
you
know
so
little
about
your
clientele
as
to
not
put
your
own
notices,
at
least
in
their
own
language.
N
I
So
the
schools-
this
is
ahc
right,
because
what
is
the
county
doing
so
that
the
problems
with
Harvard
Heights
doesn't
escalate
to
where.
I
A
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
Urban
rights,
Alice
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
information.
I'd
have
to
check
with
probably
Anthony's
here
to
see.
I
know
when
I'd
spoken
with
Anne
originally
about
the
Serrano.
A
She
said
that
they
hadn't
received
complaints
prior
to
our
last
Housing
Commission
meeting
about
Serrano,
but
they
had
received
complaints
about
other
AC
properties
and
they
were
working
with
those
tenants
and
HC
to
try
to
resolve
those,
but
I
don't
know
specifically
which
properties
those
were
so
I'd
have
to
check
with
her
I'm
meeting
with
her
tomorrow,
so
I
can
bring
that
up.
L
I
think
I'm
a
little
biased
here,
just
because
you
know
with
my
role
at
NAACP,
but
I
want
to
make
a
couple
recommendations
to
this
commission
when
we
initially
set
up
the
joint
subcommittee
on
the
status
of
Aging
properties,
there's
a
vision
to
kind
of
look
at
some
of
the
properties.
L
More
broadly,
we
know
that
many
of
our
affordable
housing
residents
are
living
in
aging
properties,
and
so,
if
this
commission
thinks
it's
worthwhile
I'd
be
happy
to
kind
of
re-stand
up
that
committee
and
maybe
do
some
of
the
work
that
Brian's
been
doing
just
visiting
some
of
these
sites
collecting
data
on
the
status
of
the
current
condition,
because
I
I
do
worry
that
you
know
the
living
condition
that
Toronto
were
happening
for
years
before
you
know,
The
Advocates
really
got
involved,
and
so
I
worry
that
there
might
be
similar
living
conditions
going
on.
L
You
know:
different
properties
across
Arlington
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
someone
and
I'm
willing
to
take
the
lead
on
it
to
at
least
collect
the
data
and
say
you
know
we
visited
I,
don't
know
20
properties
and
out
of
the
20
properties.
These
were
a
common
theme
and
then
secondarily,
we
did
submit
the
letter
from
that
subcommittee
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
been
any
action
from
the
county,
but
it
might
be
a
good
time
to
follow
up
and
say
hey.
Where
are
we
on
those
recommendations
from
that
Sunday?
A
Regarding
I
guess
the
latter
Point,
so
the
county
will
be
coming
back
to
us
in
I.
Think
it's
May
we're
likely
to
do
a
joint
meeting
with
the
tenant
landlord
commission
at
the
county,
present
kind
of
one
year
out
from
the
County's
cap
strategies
document
as
well.
As
you
know
many
months
out
from
our
our
subcommittee.
D
A
What
they've
done
to
implement
those,
and
so
the
county
has
been
taking
steps?
It's
a
slow
process
and
I
think
from
talking
to
County
staff
that
continually
bring
up
the
lack
of
resources
that
they're
taxed
very
heavily,
with
missing
middle
by
Mason
Boulevard
as
well.
As
you
know,
they
haven't
been
able
to
hire
the
additional
inspection
resource
that
was
approved
in
the
the
budget
last
year.
That
was
supposed
to
help
with
all
the
cap
inspections
and
and
help
with
you
know,
implementing
this
I.
A
Don't
know
why
that's
specifically,
taking
so
long
to
you
know,
fill
that
position,
but
they're
they're,
short,
staffed
and
I
know.
Definitely
when
we
talk
about
our
budget
letter
at
the
March
meeting,
I
I
think
we
should
strongly
Advocate
to
the
county
again
that
they
provide
more
resources
for
cphc
so
that
they
can
stay.
On
top
of
this,
because
I
frequently
hear
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
County
staff
can
do
with
the
limited
resources
they
have
and
the
abundance
of
issues.
A
So
we
are
going
to
get
an
update
at
the
May
meeting
on
what
the
County's
been
doing
to
implement.
That
and
I
know
just
from
talking
to
Ann
and
working
with
the
county
a
bit
on
different
aspects
of
it.
They
are,
they
are
making
progress.
A
I
would
I
consider
a
bit
too
slow,
but
again
it's
it's
with
the
resources
that
they
have
they're
I
think
they're,
trying
to
do
the
best
that
they
can
with
the
The
Joint
subcommittee
I
mean
I
defer
to
the
commission.
If
that's
something
that
you
know,
we
want
to
stand
up
again
and
I
think
the
county
is
is
doing
inspections
and.
A
Do
didn't
they
do?
Was
it
10
of
units
across
all
the
Caps
or
something
or
I.
K
Don't
want
to
speak
to
the
exact
numbers
because
I
don't
know
I
know,
there's
some
staff
online
that
that
might
know,
but
if,
if
not
that's
something
that
obviously
I
can
get
from
you.
Okay.
A
Does
it
first,
do
we
have
an
update
for
oh
and
it's
texting
me?
Maybe
that's
with
an
answer.
Yes,
and
if
you
could
respond,
that
would
be
great.
O
Hi
everyone
I
actually
just
joined
so
I
did
not
hear
all
of
the
questions
so
I
apologize
I'll
do
my
best
to
respond
to
the
the
items
that
I
did
here.
So
for
those
of
you
who
I
haven't
met
at
man,
Venezia
I'm,
the
housing
director,
it's
good
to
see
some
of
you
again
and
it's
good
to
see
some
of
you
for
the
for
the
first
time.
O
So
a
few
questions
that
I
did
hear
about
what
we
might
be
working
on
with
the
inspection
resources
that
we
do
have.
Some
of
you
may
recall
that
the
board
did
approve
one-time
funding
for
inspections
for
fiscal
year
23,
which
is
the
year
that
we're
in
now,
as
a
result
of
those
resources,
we
are
preparing
to
do
about
2
000
unit
inspections,
this
spring,
which
is
a
fairly
significant
number
in
the
past.
We
were
able
to
do
more
in
the
range
of
about
300
inspections
a
year.
O
L
Mike
yeah
so
you're
kind
of
thinking
about
the
Serrano.
What
we're
hearing
is
that
conditions
at
Serrano
may
exist,
or
you
know,
according
to
Brian,
are
existing
and
other
properties.
So
there
was
the
report
from
the
joint
subcommittee
on
status
of
Aging
properties.
One
of
my
recommendations
was:
maybe
we
stand
that
up,
but
then,
secondarily
you
know,
could
you
tell
us
what
you
know?
What
what
tools
do
you
need?
L
We
know
you
need
more
help
with
with
you
know,
staff,
but
every
day
that
we
wait
is
you
know,
potentially
people
living
with
rodents
and
poor
air
quality,
and
you
know
just
subhumane
living
conditions
and,
if
there's
stuff,
that
we
can
do,
there's
a
power
Dynamic
present
where
we
can't
wait
for
them
to
tell
us.
So
if
there
are
things
we
can
do
to
get
out
in
front
of
it,
I'd
love
to
hear
your
ideas.
O
Thank
you.
No
I
appreciate
that
Mike
I
would
say
we're
really
we're
really
excited
about
the
inspections
that
we're
doing
and
the
fact
that
we've
been
able
to
increase
our
capacity.
We
just
signed
a
contract
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
with
a
new
third-party
inspections,
firm,
that's
going
to
be
supporting
staff
in
that
effort,
and
this
was
made
possible
by
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
the
board
approved
and
one-time
funding
for
this
year.
O
His
proposed
budget
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
to
keep
an
eye
on
what
resources
may
be
available
to
continue
those
inspections
going
forward
because,
again,
that
is
something
that
I
think
will
really
give
us
that
increased
oversight
that
we've
been
wanting
to
have
for
for
a
while
now,
I
think
also
there
I
did
hear
a
question,
maybe
about
the
position,
there's
another
compliance
position
that
we
were
also
approved
to
hire
for
in
the
fiscal
year
23
budget.
O
We
actually
just
received
applications
for
that
position,
so
we
are
reviewing
those
now
we're
hoping
to
make
a
higher
this
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
The
what
that
person
would
be
doing
is
really
overseen,
I
would
say
the
more
complex
compliance
issues
that
come
our
way.
An
example
of
that
would
be
the
Serato
intervention
that
the
county
participated
in
a
couple
years
ago.
Someone
in
this
in
this
role
would
help
facilitate
something
like
that
in
the
future.
O
If,
for
those
of
you
who
recall
the
Columbia
Gardens
relocation
effort
that
the
county
participated
in
last
spring,
that
would
be
another
example
of
something
that
this
person
would
oversee.
So
we're
really
excited
to
have
a
new
resource
brought
on
board
and
I.
Think
that'll
go
a
long
way
again
in
helping
us
improve
oversight
and
just
bandwidth
to
existing
staff
to
help
with
some
of
these
compliance
challenges.
L
O
Yeah
we
have,
we
have
currently
over
11
000
committed,
affordable
units
in
the
county,
so
the
3
000
inspections
that
we'll
be
doing
represents
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
some
quick
math
here,
I
think
about
28,
something
like
that
so
anyway.
So
again,
that's
an
improvement
over
what
what
we
had
previously.
L
Secondarily,
will
the
inspections
be
unannounced
or
announced.
O
P
Yeah,
thank
you
so,
and
that's
one
time
funding,
meaning
that
that
has
to
possibly
come
back
up
in
this
next
budget
round.
That
is
correct,
so
that
that
is
that
is
important
for
us
to
Advocate
as
a
commission,
because
this
is
an
ongoing
concern
right.
This
is
not
just
limited
to
events
that
occurred
in
2021
and
previous,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
Kellen
is
our
chair.
When
you
go
to
the
board
and
then
we
as
a
commission,
strongly
Advocate
that
that
either
be
re-upped
as
one-time
funding
or
even
made
more
permanent.
P
The
second
thought
I
have
real
quick.
Is
that
if
we're
gonna
re-examine
this
I
would
just
really
I
would
really
kind
of
urge
folks
to
think
about
our
resources
and
that
of
staff.
I
think
the
subcommittee
was
really
necessary
when
we
did
it,
but
anytime,
we
stand
something
up,
it
isn't
it.
We
are
expending
staff
resources
that
could
be
used
elsewhere
and
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
very
careful,
I
think,
fortunately,
I
haven't
heard
anything
that
would
be
like
a
for
alarm
fire
issue.
P
These
are
definitely
issues
that
are
of
concern
that
we
need
to
look
into,
but
I
would
contrast
these
with
the
issues
we
heard
about
in
2020
and
2021
that
were
immediate
health
and
health
and
safety
issues
right
so
not
to
minimize
these,
but
we
do
have
to
prioritize
resources
and
so
I
think
we
should
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
well.
That's
all
thanks.
A
A
Can
you
know
just
work
directly
to
schedule
those
with
the
different
properties,
but
so
that's
also
an
option
as
well?
If
that's
something
that
we
want
to
do,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
and
and
I'm
trying
to
think
back
if
this
information
has
been
provided
by
staff
to
the
commission
before,
but
how
many
of
those
like
11
000
units
are
aging
properties,
you
know
that
are
getting
close
to
their
useful
life
span.
O
I
I
would
want
to
go
back
and
talk
with
staff
and
bring
that
data.
We
do
have
that
data
I,
don't
know
it
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
I.
O
Don't
want
to
give
an
incorrect
number
tonight,
especially
because
this
is
being
recorded,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
I
provide
the
right
information
to
the
commission,
but
I
will
say
that
staff
had
has
done
a
triaging
of
the
properties
just
to
help
identify
and
really
focus
our
resources,
because
if
we
have
units
that
have
been
brought
online
that
are
new
construction
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
O
The
the
hope
would
be
that
those
units
might
need
a
little
less
TLC
at
this
point
than
a
property
that
was
built
50
years
ago
and
maybe
hasn't
had
renovation
in
some
time.
So
we
really
wanted
to
do
that
triaging
so
that
again
we
can
focus
our
resources
and
the
inspection
schedule
that
will
be
coming
out
shortly.
For
our
inspections,
this
spring
I
think
will
really
reflect
that.
O
It's
really
focused
on
properties
in
our
portfolio
that
are
aging
and
that
maybe
do
need
a
little
more
attention,
and
so
this
way
we're
hoping
that
we
can
work
with
those
owners
to
say
these
are
the
things
that
we're
identifying.
These
are
trends
that
we're
seeing
by
doing
100
inspection
in
those
buildings.
You
know,
maybe
we
can
identify.
You
know,
hey
we're,
noticing
a
lot
of
moisture
in
this
end
of
the
hallway.
You
know
is
that
something
where
you
know,
maybe
there
is
something
going
on
where
you
need
to
take
a
closer
look.
O
You
know
so
again
that
we
can
work
with
owners
to
really
try
to
help
them
identify
where
they
need
to
focus,
maybe
their
resources
as
they're,
doing
repairs
and
they're
doing
renovations
and
planning
for
Capital
Improvement
going
forward,
because
that
really
is
the
goal.
I.
Think
of
this
whole
program
and
I
think
I
heard
a
little
bit
about
that.
Maybe
Mike
from
you
is,
you
know:
how
can
we
really
plan
for
the
future
at
some
of
these
properties
and
plan
that
investment,
so
that
you
know
these
really
can
be
homes?
A
A
Data
to
the
commission
that
would
be
super
helpful
about
the
number
percentage
of
of
cap,
Properties
or
units
that
are
aging
and
you
know
potentially
have
these
types
of
issues.
O
But
I
would
be
happy
to
do
that
and
I
will
say
too
I
think
Kell
and
I
came
on,
just
as
you
were
mentioning
that
we'll
be
coming
back
in
May
time
frame
or
so
to
report.
Do
an
annual
report
on
the
cash
strategies
and
the
implementation
around
those
and
the
cash
strategies
that
the
county
released
about
a
year
ago.
Well,
it
was
an
April
time
frame
last
year,
really
do
closely
mirror
the
strategies
and
the
recommendations
that
came
out
through
the
Joint
Committee
report.
O
So
we
were
really
pleased
with
that,
because
again
there
was
coordination
there
we
were,
you
know
talking
with
all
of
you.
We
were
talking
with
residents,
we
were
talking
with
Advocates
and
really
trying
to
have
what
became
your
recommendations
and
form
the
strategies
that
we
released
a
few
months
before
that,
and
so
we
we
have
made
progress.
We
have
one
of
the
things
Kellen
that
I
think
I
shared
with
you
recently,
but
we
have
an
interdepartmental
group
that,
basically,
can
you
know
come
together.
O
So
for
Resident
calls
and
says
hey,
you
know,
I
have
a
concern
I'm,
seeing
something
you
know
that
that
is
you
know,
bothersome
or
whatever
that
rises
to
a
level
where
we
need
to
activate
this
group
within
an
hour
really,
there
was
something
that
came
up
the
other
day
at
a
property,
and
I
saw
folks
from
the
manager's
office
from
fire
department
from
DHS
and
cphd
all
responding
within
an
hour
to
this
to
this
request,
so
it
has
been
effective,
I
think
it's
not
perfect,
we're
still
working
out
some
of
the
Kinks,
but
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
bring
this
together
in
a
short
span
of
time
again
to
really
again
Focus
resources
where
they're
most
needed.
A
Thank
you,
Ann
and
I
do
just
want
to
provide
a
brief
update,
based
on
the
conversation
that
the
meeting
that
we
have
with
ASC,
so
Ann
was
there
and
Alex
was
there.
So
please,
if
there's
something
that
I
I
leave
out.
Please
let
me
know
that
was
yeah
it's
Monday
morning,
so
we
met
with
the
CEO
of
HC
Paul
we're
getting
his
last
name
Bernard
and
we
met
with
Jennifer
Endo
and
also
the
Stephanie
is
on
for
the
tenant.
A
Landlord
commission
was
also
attending
and
we
kind
of
just
walked
through
the
letter
that
we
had
sent
and
the
concerns
and.
A
A
I
think
from
his
perspective,
they've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
last
like
year
or
so,
but
he
acknowledges
there's,
there's
more
work
to
be
done
and
they're
working
with
director
and
Fox
at
the
Serrano
Apartments
to
try
and
do
that
and
it
we
also
got
some
helpful
additional
information
from
that
meeting
too.
So
we
had
heard
about
the
the
Water
shutoffs
happening
and
the
impact
on
residents,
and
he
said
they.
A
To
drill
down
and
see
how
many
units
were
repeatedly
facing
these
water
shutouts
because
they
were
having
issues
they
said
there
were
about
seven
units
that,
were
you
know
most
severely
impacted
by
this
or,
like
a
series
of
you
know
like
reoccurring,
water,
shutoffs,
and
so
they
they're
working
to
try
to
you
know,
fix
that
and
make
sure
that
doesn't
keep
happening.
So
those
residents
don't
repeatedly
keep
losing
access
to
water.
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
talked
about
was-
and
this
is
kind
of
a
recurrent
thing
in
my
many
years
of
conversations
with
ahc-
is:
do
you
have
sort
of
lists
of
residents
with
either
special
needs
or
disabilities
or
just
more
vulnerable
residents
that
you
can
prioritize
kind
of
going
the
extra
mile
or
preparing
Communications
in
a
way
that
are
going
to
be
most
effective
for
them
and
well
they
do
have
a
list
of
elderly
residents
that
they
can.
You
know
push
out
information
to.
A
They
did
not
have
a
list
of
I'm
using
the
term
vulnerable
residence,
but
basically
residents
where
they
know,
there's
additional
barriers
at
their
faced
to
either
accessing
information
from
you
know,
HC
or
from
the
the
management
firm
or
just
have
had
issues
in
the
past
that
that
they
know
it's
it's
worth.
You
know
some
additional
communication
or
some
other
steps
to
make
sure
that
these
residents
have
what
they
needed.
They're
able
to
you
know
be
comfortable
in.
D
A
Developing
lists
so
that,
basically,
instead
of
those
residents
having
to
come
to
us
and
come
to
the
county
to
complain
about,
you
know
issues
that
they're
having
in
the
at
agency
is
not
taking
the
time
to
tailor
their
Communications
or
messages
to
their
specific
needs
that
they
can
proactively.
Try
to
address
that.
A
So,
like
I
said,
they
were
open
to
that
and
would
look
into
doing
that.
One
of
the
things
that
they
mentioned,
that
HC
is
going
to
be
doing,
is
they're
going
to
inspect
all
of
the
units
at
the
Serrano
and
they
didn't
have
the
definition
of
what
that
inspection
would
entail
at.
This
is
different
than
the
county
quality
inspections
which
the
county
will
follow
up
in
April
with
their
own
inspections
and
and
the
this
HC
inspections
were
going
to
be.
Was
that
March
or
was
that
February.
O
A
So
that
you
know
I
think
is
also
an
attempt
to
try
to
proactively
identify
what
are
the
major
issues
that
residents
are
facing
and
address
those
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
talked
we
talked
about.
It
was
like
a
two.
J
A
A
half
hour
meeting
if
it
went
a
while,
but
it
was
a
good
conversation.
Multiple
residents
had
brought
up
their
concerns
about
retaliation
and
what
we
discussed
is
doing
more
to
let
residents
know
that
retaliation
is
not
acceptable.
We
simple
things
like
putting
up
a
poster
on
the
office.
You
know
door
or
right
there
in
the
office
that
says
like,
if
you
feel
like
any
of
these
staff,
have
threatened
you
with
the
retaliation
retaliated
against
you,
like
here's.
D
A
Number
you
can
call,
this
is
unacceptable.
Ac,
you
know
is
not
okay
with
this
and
it's
against
the
law
and
they
talked
about
how
they've
they've
been
sort.
A
But
not
explicitly,
and
we
talked
about
it's
worth
saying
explicitly
it's
worth
saying.
You
know
this
if
you
ever
feel
this
way,
here's
who
you
contact,
because
none.
D
A
Staff
should
ever
make
you
feel
like
you're
going
to
be
retaliated
against,
and
we
talked
through
that
it
doesn't
matter
if
people
are
actually
going
to
face
retaliation,
the
perception
and
that
fear
is
still
there
and
that's
there
for
many
many
renters
throughout
the
county
throughout
the
county
and.
G
A
Can
cause
them
to
you
know
not
want
to
address
issues
and
bring
up
complaints
just
because
of
the
fear
whether
it's
founded
in
in
actual
experiences
or
just
perception.
It
doesn't
really
matter
and
I
know
you
know,
and
you
had
brought
up
like
potentially
doing
like
a
hotline
for
like
retaliation
or
similar
to
like
the
counties
fraud.
We
said,
abuse
hotline
with
like
a
third
party,
and
so
we
just
we
talked
through
a
number
of
potential
Solutions
and
I,
don't
know
like
Alex
and
Ann.
A
If
there's
anything,
you
want
to
add.
I
just
took
a
couple
of
notes
from
that
meeting,
but
there's
a
lot
more
that
we
we
discussed
specifically
to
each
of
the
issues
in
the
letter.
O
I
mean
you
covered
a
lot
of
it.
Kellen,
like
you
said
it
was,
it
was
a
very
long.
A
very
comprehensive
meeting,
I
would
say.
Probably
my
biggest
takeaway
is
something
you
said
early
on
Kellen,
which
was
the
willingness
that
I
saw
with
this
leadership
group
and
the
new
CEO
specifically
to
come
to
the
table
here.
What
the
concerns
are
and
try
to
work
through
them.
O
O
They
were
not
dismissive
of
anything
even
even
concerns
that
we
were
bringing
forward,
that
we
didn't
necessarily
have
I'll,
say
proof
for
evidence,
or
you
know
it
was
sort
of
like
hey,
we
sort
of
heard
this
and
that
they
were
like
okay,
we're
taking
that
seriously
and
let's
talk
about
it
and
let's
try
to
problem
solve,
which
again
was
not
necessarily
I,
think
my
experience
when
we
first
talked
about
Serato
and
concerns
a
few
years
back.
O
So
I
was
really
heartened
by
hc's
desire,
not
just
willingness
but
desire
to
come
forward
and
do
that
so
and
I
think
Brian.
At
the
end
of
his
statement
tonight,
May
comment
on
that
as
well:
Brian
Coleman
that
you
know
he
is
heartened
that
you
know
it
seems
that
this
leadership
is
interested
in
problem
solving.
A
Willing
to
admit
policies
are
not
always
executed.
Brian
had
brought
up
that
the
elevator
notices
were
only
in
English.
Their
policy
is
that
all
notices
to
residents
are
in
English
and
Spanish,
and
you
know
the
CEO
said
that
we
have
failed
numerous
times
to
do
that
and
that's
a
problem
and
we're
working
to
aggressive
with
the
management
company-
and
he
said
you
know
sometimes
in
like
emergencies,
where
they're
trying
to
get
stuff
out
quick.
A
They
don't
do
it
he's
like
that's,
not
a
good
excuse,
but
you
know
they
know
that
they
have
to
get
better.
They
at
least
have
the
policy.
That's
the
right
policy.
Now
they
have
to
work
with
their
management
company
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's
executed,
100
of
fund.
A
So
you
know
that
to
me
was
a
good
signal
and
he
was
offering
up
additional
information
about
issues
that
they
didn't
come
from.
They
had
uncovered
themselves
which
I
thought
was
also
helpful.
You
know
it
wasn't
combative,
but
it
wasn't.
You
know
trying
to
hide
information.
It
was
very
transparent
and
like
we
want
to
solve
this
too,
and
you
know
get
to
the
bottom
of
it
to
make
sure
the
residents
have
the
best
experience
as
they
can,
but
also
acknowledging
the
issues
so
I
know
we're
going
to
have.
A
This
is
an
agenda
item
at
the
March
meeting,
so
agency
is
going
to
be
here
to
talk
through
not
only
their
updates
on.
You
know
what
they're
doing
to
resolve
these
issues,
but
also
talking
about
their
Redevelopment
of
rehab
plans
and
they
hope
to
have.
They
should
have
more
information
about
what
that
looks
like
at
March.
When
we
talked
earlier
this
week,
they
were
still
trying
to
figure
out
a
lot
of
it
is
just
financially.
A
A
That's
a
challenge
that
they're
looking
at
and
that
I
think
we'll
play
into
whether
or
not
this
is
a
rehab
of
just
the
existing
structures
versus
a
full
Redevelopment,
which
I
think
was
the
preference
that
ahd
has
is
like
tear
down
and
let's
start
over.
But
we
should
find
out
more
information
about
that
in
March.
Q
Q
K
A
Me
I
have
not
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
the
county
has
done,
that
yeah
I
don't
know,
and
is
that
something
that
the
county
has
done
as
issues
have
come
up
kind
of
comparing
it
to
what's
the
AC
policy
on
this.
O
J
O
So
I
would
say:
typically
our
practice
has
been.
We
focus
on
the
outcomes,
so
what
the
practices
are.
So
if
the
practices
are
not
meeting
the
standards
that
we
would
expect,
we
are
addressing
that,
regardless
of
what
the
policy
says,
we
do
sometimes
in
that
situation,
dig
a
little
deeper
and
say
you
know,
hey
so,
like
we'll
use
that
same
example,
the
notices
were
provided
only
in
English,
that's
concerning,
do
you
have
a
policy
or
something
that
would
you
know
say
that
your
staff
really
needs
to
be
providing
this
in
multiple
languages?
O
So
we
will
often
ask
that
follow-up
question,
but
regardless
of
the
policy
we're
really
focused
on,
you
know
what
what
actually
happened,
because
I
think
we're
all
familiar
in
our
own
workplaces.
You
know
you
can
have
policies,
you
know
talking
about
all
sorts
of
things,
but
if
people
aren't
following
them,
you
know,
then
we're
concerned
about
that.
So
so
we
do
have
follow-up
questions.
Where
we'll
ask
you
know
hey,
what
is
your
policy
say,
but
we're
really
focused
based
on
what's
actually
done
in
practice.
Yeah
did
that
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
J
O
A
Ended
up
taking
an
hour
or
about
yeah
about
an
hour
but
I
think
it
was
good
discussion.
Okay,
so.
D
A
Think
the
next
agenda
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes.
I
had,
are
you
saying.
Q
A
No
just
saying
that
we're
moving
on
from
public
comment
to
our
next
event,
so
I
had
one
edit
in
the
minutes
and
I
believe
it's
related
to
public
comment.
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
I.
D
A
Voice
had
sent
about
the
issues
at
the
Serrano
and
I
think.
It
said
that
it
was
sent
to
ahc
as
well,
and
my
understanding
is
that
that
letter
was
not
sent
to
ABC,
that
it
was
just
sent
to
the
county
and
see.
Q
A
R
A
A
And
Margaret
and
they
both
get
their
hands
up.
Okay,
so
I
think
that
passes
unanimously.
A
R
Yeah,
so
if
it's
okay
with
chance
that
I
can
introduce
this
item,
so
my
name
is
Melissa
danowski
and
I'm,
with
the
housing
division
and
on
the
formal
housing
representative
or
Project
Lead
for
the
Joyce
motor
site
plan
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
the
applicant
and
applicants
representative
to
introduce
themselves.
They
have
a
brief
PowerPoint
presentation
and
then
afterwards,
I
was
hoping
to
say
a
few
words
just
reiterating
the
affordable
housing
program.
T
All
right,
I'll
take
it
from
there.
Thank
you,
Nicholas
Cummings,
with
Walsh
Colucci
here
representing
the
applicant.
We're
excited
tonight
to
be
presenting
this
project
to
you.
In
the
closing
weeks
of
what
has
been
a
long
process.
T
We
filed
this
application
in
October
of
2019
before
the
county
launched
the
study
to
update
the
Clarendon
sector
plan,
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
the
study
will
lanky
led
to
significant
improvements
in
the
design
and
massing
of
the
building.
It
eliminated.
The
taper
line,
as
the
measurement
of
Building
height
and
amended
height
limits
to
allow
more
appropriate
building
Heights
along
this
dense,
Corridor,
close
to
Metro,
Rail
and
other
Transit
options.
T
I'm
joined
tonight
by
members
of
our
design
and
consultant
team,
including
antonovich
Associates,
who
will
follow
me
with
an
overview
of
the
proposed
development,
but,
most
importantly
by
our
client
or
Partners,
a
local
firm
with
significant
and
extensive
experience,
delivering
high
quality
projects
in
Arlington
and
the
region
generally.
A
recent
example
of
their
work
here
in
Arlington
is
the
central
building
on
Columbia,
Pike
or
Partners
is
committed
to
delivering
high
quality
housing
for
its
tenants,
but
also
to
delivering
equally
high
quality
benefits
to
the
neighborhoods
of
joints.
T
We
see
that
in
many
aspects
of
the
project
for
you
today,
our
project
briefly
before
turn
over
to
Mr
Crosby
with
antonovich,
proposes
an
11-story
residential
building
with
241
units
and
almost
4
000
square
feet
of
ground
floor
retail.
We
are
constructing
a
new
alley
and
Street
connection
through
the
block,
but
also
providing
a
substantial
Community
benefit
package
to
earn
density
above
the
3.0
far
base
with
site.
These
benefits
include
on-site,
affordable
housing,
Ms
donovski'll
get
into
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
if
they
include
three
bedroom
units,
which
is
just
incredibly
important.
T
Preservation
and
relocation
of
a
historic
Choice,
Motors
facade
construction
of
off-site,
curb
extensions,
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
Future
Transportation
Planning
efforts
in
Clarendon
and
557
thousand
dollars
towards
future
public
space
and
park
planning
efforts
in
Clarendon
I
apologize
for
my
voice.
I
have
bronchitis
on
getting
over
it,
so
that'll
sound,
so
great
right
now,
Mr
Crosby!
Please
take
it
from
here.
B
Great,
thank
you.
Nick.
We
get
everything
set
up.
We
got
a
short
presentation
for
everyone,
as
Nick
mentioned,
a
site
plan,
the
old
Silver
Diner
site
and
the
triangle.
The
the
multiple
owners
on
this
site
agree
to
a
swap
agreement
to
exchange
some
parcels
to
create
these
two
developments,
and
you
can
see
the
the
proximity
to
Clarendon
Metro
Station.
B
The
next
slide
is
really
a
representation
of
some
of
the
other
projects
that
are
being
developed
around
our
project,
the
Joyce
motor
site.
As
you
see
in
the
center
Wells
Fargo
to
the
north
and
Bingham
Center
along
this
triangular
site
of
ours
across
the
street,
we
have
a
55
foot
tall
future
buildings,
abutting,
the
Ashton
Heights
neighborhood.
B
In
this
image,
if
we
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
we've
got
all
building
renderings
from
the
four
corners
at
the
southeast
corner.
You
can
see
the
Joyce
Motors
facade
restoration,
looking
up
North
Irving
Street
at
the
top
right.
We
have
the
view
from
really
the
new
10th
Road
North
from
Bingham
Center
North.
B
These
are
the
the
highlights
of
the
proposed
project:
11
story,
residential
mixed
use,
Tower
241
rental
apartment
units,
around
3,
600
square
feet
of
retail,
along
10th
Street
North,
beating
the
maximum
height
of
110
feet
and
achieving
a
5.87,
far
working
to
achieve
League
Gold,
we'll
mention
we'll
be
talking
further
about
the
affordable
contribution
and
on-site
committed,
affordable
units
and
the
parking
count
176
on
three
levels
of
below
grade
parking,
currently
a
0.64
parking
ratio.
B
In
this
slide,
it
really
shows
the
area
of
tabulations
that
we
have
in
our
4.1
application,
the
unit
mix,
far
calculations
and
overall
area
tabulations
and,
as
mentioned
we'll
be
getting
into
more
of
the
committed,
affordable
units.
B
The
next
few
slides
show
zoomed
in
sidewalk
views.
This
is
at
the
southeast
Corner
a
close-up
of
the
Joyce
Motors
historic
restoration
integration
with
the
the
back
drop
of
the
building,
having
an
immediate
step
back
above
the
Joyce
Motors
roof
line
to
really
show
prominence
of
the
historic
structure
and
celebrate
its
historic
significance.
B
B
An
additional
rendering
along
the
sidewalk
at
North
Irving
Street,
showing
that
the
added
detailing
at
The
Brick
piers
in
the
landscape
Zone
stretching
from
10th
Street
North
up
towards
Clarendon.
M
V
A
U
U
I
Difference
between
a
junior
okay,
can
you
explain
what
is
the
difference?
What
classifies
one
as
oh,
the
other.
B
So
some
of
the
junior
bedrooms
are
classified
that
way.
They
have
a
separate
or
second
room.
That's
or
let's
go
to
Junior
two
bedrooms
easier
to
explain
two.
Your
two
bedroom
has
a
one
of
the
bedrooms
that
is
not
on
the
window
line.
It's
an
interior
unit
and
see
if
we
can
go
through
an
all
four
points
here,
but
the
junior
twos
will
have
one
one
bedroom,
that
is
on
the
exterior
wall
and
another
internal
bedroom
with
with
a
added
glass
to
get
borrowed
light
from
from
the
exterior.
K
It's
an
interior
bedroom
without.
U
U
I
My
concerned
with
Disney
I'm
gonna-
let
it
go
after
this,
because
she
said
it
already
three
bedrooms
that
you
know
we're
attracting
developers
who
will
commit
to
doing
more
than
three
bedrooms
than
you
know
into
like
we
need
to
start.
You
know
advertising
that
as
a
community
like
this
is
what
we
need,
not
what
you
want
to
give
us.
What
we
need
our
need
is
this.
I
We
have
a
lot
of
people
in
Arlington
who
you
know
they're
not
on
you
know,
making
100
something
thousand
dollars
and
can't
afford
to
buy
those
eight
hundred
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
perm
so
and
they
want
to
live
in
the
city.
They
just
took
it.
They
have
the
right
to
live
here
and
she
get
it
to
afford
it
and
be
comfortable
having
three
kids
in
a
two-bedroom
you
know,
apartment
is
not
comfortable
when
everyone's
face
kids
are
growing.
You
know
that
kids
are
growing.
I
So
as
a
commission,
you
need
to
encourage
the
county
to
attract
developers
who
are
committed
to
building
apartments
with
more
three
bedrooms
and
nice
size.
Two-Thirds
at
that.
So
it's
not.
We
don't
have
a
but
they're,
not
creating
a
divide
of
you
know.
People
who
live
in
housing
versus
people
who
live
in
an
apartment
and
saying
that
I'm
getting
tired
of
my
words
but
I
know
what
I'm
trying
to
know.
Yeah
I.
U
U
U
You
know
Junior
one
bedroom,
one
bedroom,
let's
be
honest,
and
then
because
it's
right
there,
where
a
Silver
Diner
used
to
be
Etc
and
that
whole
kind
of
hard
night
life
type
of
thing
with
the
neighbors
complain
when
there's
too
much
loud
and
there's,
you
know
whatever
the
case
may
be
so.
A
Certainly
invite
the
county
to
you
know
brief
us
on
some
of
the
economics
of
the
different
bedroom
sizes
for
new
developments
in
the
county
and
what
what
the
county
can,
what
tools
they
have
in
many
to
encourage
units
for
market.
A
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
certainly
see
I
think
we
have
a
hand
raised
online.
M
Hi
yeah,
thanks
for
thanks
for
the
presentation
you
know,
I
just
want
to
Echo
the
importance
of
the
of
more
visibility
on
the
unit
sizes,
because
I
just
mentioned
that
that
is
very
important,
so
I'm
just
seconding
that,
but
as
someone
who
previously
lived
in
what
was
called
a
micro
apartment,
one
important
part
of
it
was
kind
of
the.
What
compensated
was
the
amount
of
public
space
and
amenities
where
I
live?
M
So
I'd
be
curious
if
to
hear
to
hear
more
about
that
or
plans
for
kind
of
shared
space
and
what
that
might
look
like
in
the
size.
Thanks.
A
R
Thank
you,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
present
the
affordable
program
and,
if
you'll
bear
with
me
for
a
moment,
I'll
put
the
hand
now
that
was
sent
to
the
commission
I
think
earlier
this
week
on
the
screen
and
it's
okay,
if
you
can't
CO2,
wow
I'll
be
verbally
going
over
it
as
well.
So
the
applicant
has
committed
to
meet
the
base
affordable
housing
requirements,
section
15.5.8
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
that's
a
choice
of
about
439
thousand
dollars
for
about
five
on-site
units,
seven
off-site
nearby
units
or
nine
off-site
units.
R
In
addition
to
that,
the
applicant
will
provide
nine
committed,
affordable
units
related
to
the
additional
density
obtained
through
the
zoning
ordinance
section
15.5.9
and
the
nine
cast
will
be
four
one
bedroom
units,
three
two
bedroom
units
and
two
three
bedroom
units
and
these
products
will
be
affordable
up
to
60
Ami
for
a
10
or
30
years,
and
of
the
nine
caps.
R
One
will
be
a
type
A
Accessible
unit
and
it
does
meet
and
further
the
goals
and
elements
of
the
Clarendon
sector
plan,
including
a
a
rich,
a
mix
of
uses
and
improved
housing
diversity.
So
the
proposal
offers
a
range
of
housing
types
and
bolsters
the
affordable
housing
Supply
and
the
clan
and
sector
plan
area
and
the
proposal
development
also
meets
many
affordable
housing,
master
plan
goals,
objects
and
policies.
D
R
I
won't
read
all
these
to
you,
but
notably
the
project
will
provide
five
family
size
units,
including
three
two
bedroom
units
and
two
three
bedroom
units
and
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
affordable
housing
program,
which
consists
of
that
base,
affordable
housing
contribution,
which
will
likely
be
438
834,
as
well
as
the
nine
on-site
casts
due
to
the
bonus
density
contribution.
R
You
know
Clarendon
does
have
the
least
amount
of
committed,
affordable
units
of
any
areas
in
the
Metro
corridors,
so
compared
to
say,
Pentagon,
City
or
Crystal
City
I
think
Clarendon
the
calves
in
Clarendon
only
they
got
three
percent
of
total
caps.
In
terms
of
you
know
how
close
we
are
to
meeting
the
exact
goals
for
Clarendon
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
data.
I.
Don't
know
that
off
offhand,
but
I
do
know
that
Clarendon
is
an
area
that
has
comparatively
few
committed,
affordable
units.
K
J
K
Q
V
Well,
listening
to
the
numbers,
I
I
actually
have
two
questions.
The
first
one
was
I
wanted
to
hear
about
audition
for
the
future
and
disabled
residents
in
this
building.
I'm
asking
the
doors
question
so
I
haven't
heard
that
so.
G
V
Divided
by
231
is
less
than
four
percent
of
those
units
are
committed,
affordable
and
I.
Don't
know,
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
be
negative
here,
but
I'd
like
to
see
that
number
higher,
particularly
in
a
building,
that's
so
close
to
a
Metro
and
is
in
such
a
desirable
location,
and
particularly
maybe
the.
V
B
V
A
diverse
community
and
whether
you're
old
I
mean
the
area
is
desirable
for
the
elderly
for,
for
a
number
of
reasons,.
E
V
I'm
excited
by
the
project
I
like
that,
the
facades
being
saved,
although
I'm,
still
curious,
why
it's
historic
but
I
like
that
it
looked
the
way
it
looks.
I
think
it
looks
kind
of
retro
and
very
interesting,
I
think
you're
trying
to
be
really
responsible.
I
think
my
major
concern
is
I.
Just
wish.
We
were
a
little
bit
more
ambitious
in
the
building
with
committed,
affordable
units
and
those
that
are
ADA
Compliant.
W
How's
that
that
better,
okay
I'm
sorry
thank
you
for
your
questions.
First
of
all,
the
the
entire
building
is
compliant
with
the
American,
with
Disabilities
Act,
and
so
the
entire
building
is
accessible
both
inside
and
outside,
and
that
that's
really
just
a
matter
of
law.
We
have
to
comply
with
that
and
the
other
thing
to
note
you're,
asking
about
the
scale
of
our
affordability.
W
So
as
we
go
through
this
process,
working
with
the
various
Departments
of
the
county,
we
arrive
at
a
comprehensive
Community
benefits
program.
Our
community
benefits
for
this
particular
project
are
over
five
million
dollars
and
4.2
million
of
that
is
for
affordable
housing.
So
we've
really
overweighted
and
worked
very
hard
and
I.
Think
Melissa
would
be.
W
You
know,
would
underscore
the
fact
that
we've
also
worked
hard
at
providing
family-sized
units
and
more
family-sized
units,
frankly
than
we
were
required,
because
we
we
have
our
ear
to
the
ground
in
Arlington
and
we
understand
the
needs
and
we
try
to
respond
to
those
needs.
So
we
provided
the
three
bedroom
units
and
the
two
bedroom
units
that
are
in
such
high
demand
on
the
affordable
on
the
calf
side.
So
I
hope
that
responds
to
your
questions
and
thank
you
for
your
questions.
A
That's
a
good
question
on
behalf
of
doors
are
any
of
the
type
A
units
also
family
sized
one.
That's
for
the
cap,
but
for
the
market
rate
was.
B
Yes,
we
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
even
distribution
of
unit
types,
so
three
bedroom
and
a
two
bedroom
will
be
included
as
a
Type
A.
A
Okay
and
that's
in
addition
to
the
calf
three
bedroom,
or
that
is
that.
B
U
Sorry
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment,
and
it's
not
necessarily
for
this
developer,
but
in
general,
actually
with
the
county,
like
you
know,
the
county
set
these
rules
and
they're.
You
know
the
developers
are
following
them
and
and
doing
what
they
say
and
so
it
it's
disappointing
in
Clarity.
You
know
having
grown
up
here,
that
you
know
they
are
doing
what
they,
the
county,
has
said
for
them
to
do.
But
why
aren't
we?
Why
isn't
the
county
doing
better
than
like
the
doing
better?
U
In
that
case,
because
you
say
we
talk
about
families
and
we
don't
want
them
always
in
South
Arlington
and
like
we
talk
about
you
know
the
the
Orange
Line
Orange
Line,
Silver
Line
on
you
know:
Wilson
Claritin,
those
are
prime
locations,
North
Arlington,
but
you
know
this
this
developer.
You
know
great
job,
especially
with
the
three
bedrooms.
I'm
gonna
definitely
say:
that's.
A
And
I
I
think
Sarah
when,
as
part
of
our
plan
for
this
year,
we're
gonna
explore
or
look
at
and
review
the
affordable,
housing,
ordinance
and
I.
Think
as
part
of
that
we'll
be
able
to
dig
into
what
do.
We
think
they
should
be,
and
then
talking
to
the
county
about
like
what
kind
of
legislative
effort.
A
With
the
current
makeup
of
the
general
assembly
in
the
governor's
office
for
fear
that
the
things
will
go
in
the
opposite
direction,
right
now,
but
I
think
it's
we're.
A
U
D
A
Before
the
commission
for
Clarendon
and
the
board
approved
I
think
it
was
sometime
last
summer
that
it
came
before
us
and
because.
D
A
A
And
that
was
like
the
sort
of
major
decision
point
that
we
had,
but
I
think
you
know
you're
absolutely
right
when
I've
looked
at,
you
know
applying
myself
over
another
things.
People
brought
up
well.
Why
didn't
you
guys
make
us
think
about
more
affordable
housing
and
Clarendon
when
you
were
going
through
that
process-
and
you
know
going
back
I
think
you
know,
I
would
have
been
a
little
bit
more
focused
on
that
than
I
was
at
the
time,
but
I
think
it's.
We
can
bring.
A
Can
bring
it
up
to
the
board
that
you
know
we
want
to
see
more
as
much
as
possible
in
addition
to
looking
at
the
affordable,
housing
coordinates
and
figuring
out,
you
know:
what
can
the
county
try
to
Lobby
in
Richmond.
U
Yeah
because,
like
you
know
at
this
point
really
the
developers
are
doing
what
they're
they
they're
following
and
great
for
them
that
they
and
do
that.
But
you
know
it's
kind
of
yeah.
It's
kind
of
like
the
same
thing
in
the
same,
it's
they're,
just
gonna,
be
you
know
back
in
the
day
was
like
nothing,
nothing.
You
know,
and
now
it's
there's.
S
U
A
P
That's
what
developers
do
they
build
housing,
single
family,
townhouses
Apartments,
so
everyone
lives
in
housing
built
by
developers
and
there's
going
to
be
folks
who
live
in
these
units
that
are
being
proposed
on
this
site.
So
I
think
it's
great
that
we
think
about
the
ordinance
and
reopening
it.
But
you
know
we
have
this
ordinance
and
the
applicant
here
is
complied
with
the
base
part
and
the
ordinance
says
right
that
they
can
choose
between
a
contribution
or
on-site
or
nearby
units.
They've
chosen
the
contribution,
which
is
pretty
much
almost
always
the
case.
P
The
bonus
density
that
they've
requested
requires
on-site
and
that's
what
they're,
providing
and
getting
a
couple
three
bedroom
units
is
really
good.
When
you
consider
again
I
believe
the
number
of
three
bedroom
apartments
in
the
county
is
about
three
percent.
Three
percent
I
believe
that
that's
the
number
it's
very
difficult
I'm,
not
a
housing
developer,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it's
financially
very
difficult
to
build
three
bedroom
units
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
expect
this
proposal
to
solve
that
problem.
P
That's
why
we
need
to
do
more
on
missing
middle
and
other
policies
as
well,
and
then
kind
of
my
final
comment
would
be.
You
know
this
inclusionary
zoning,
which
is
what
our
program
is
here.
It
does
have
costs,
because
when
we
require
our
developers
to
come
in
and
provide
Community
benefits,
including
contributions
to
ahif,
you
know
it
does
cost
money
and
those
costs
do
get
passed
along
in
the
housing,
and
so
the
higher
cost
units
do
end
up
subsidizing
because
somebody
has
to
pay
for
it
and
so
I
think.
P
P
You
know
preventing
housing
for
from
being
built,
because
we
also
have
a
supply
issue,
so
I
think
it's
that
balance
of
promoting
Supply
versus
you
know
how
robust
our
inclusionary
zoning
program
is,
which
is
which
is
our
ahif
and
everything
that
these
folks
are
proposing
tonight.
That's
it.
A
Thank
you,
Eric
and
I
think
you
said
Doris,
who
also
has
their
hand
raised.
A
X
Yep,
oh
yeah,
I'm.
Sorry,
it
took
me
I,
I,
didn't
know,
I
was
unmuted,
so
I,
muted,
myself,
I
I,
just
want
to
say,
I
appreciate
your
your
presentation
and
I'm
really
happy
that
you
are
building
housing
and
particularly
affordable
housing
in
in
this
location,
which
is
a
prime
location
for
people
using
public
transit
and
for
people
with
disabilities,
especially
because
of
all
the
community.
X
In
the
area
and
I
I,
just
I
appreciate
also
that
you
are
taking
note
of
both
the
affordable
housing
requirements
for
accessible
units,
as
well
as
the
building
code,
and
the
only
thing
that
I
I
do
want
to
say
about
this
with
either
this
development
or
or
future
ones.
Is
that
I
think
we
should
remember
that
the
building
code
requirement
is
is
a
minimum
like
much
of
the
disability,
civil
rights
laws
and
and
requirements
about
accessibility
and
the
scoping.
They
are
minimums
and
you
can
go
further
and
I
I.
X
Think
given
the
prime
location
here,
I
I
would
encourage
you
to
consider
that
but
I
and
also
maybe
considering
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
said
about
how
many
I
think
you
said
there
would
be
a
mix
mix
of
Taipei
units
in
terms
of
size
so
that
some
of
the
family-sized
units
will
be
accessible.
X
But
I'm
I'm
wondering
whether
whether
there's
going
to
be
a
mix
of
other
units
that
will
be
accessible
and
so
I
guess
I
wondered
whether
this
is
what
the
clearance
might
be.
This
is
going
to
have
underground
parking,
yes,
brick
and,
and
so
I
wondered
what
the
clearance
was
on
the
on
the
underground
parking.
Will
it
be
able
to
accommodate
high
top
fans
that
are
successfully
used
by
people
who
have
accessible
vehicles.
B
The
Ada
ban
for
eight
foot
two:
we
will
we
have
designed
for
that.
X
Is
yeah,
okay
and
and
amenities
like
like
what
kind
of
do
you
have
amenities
like
Business
Center,
and
we.
B
B
Our
first
floor,
all
right
just
to
take
well
our
first
floor
has
a
fitness
room.
It
does
have
a
co-working
area.
It
has
a
large
Lounge
for
gathering
for
the
residents,
their
guests
and
friends
and
and
also
a
large
bike
room.
We
have
about
a
hundred
bikes
in
that
storage
room
at
the
10th
floor.
There
is
a
amenity
Lounge
that
feeds
the
or
goes
out
to
the
pool
deck
that
will
have
views
of
10th
Street
North
to
the
South
and
at
the
main
roof.
B
X
X
B
There
will
be
actually
two
accessible
ramps
that
get
you
up
to
the
full
deck
and
the
entrance
out
to
yeah.
A
V
Wanted
to
make
a
classification,
particularly
to
Mr
Orr
earlier,
when
I
asked
about
accessibility,
88,
it's
what
Doris
was
asking
so
I
I
expressed
myself
poorly,
but
she
asked
the
questions.
I
wanted
and
I
wanted
to
also
state
that
I
am
encouraged
and
I.
Think
it's
exciting
that
each
floor
of
your
building
has
at
least
one
three-bedroom
unit
that
that
is
good.
V
W
L
D
A
We
have
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
Joyce
Motors
site
plan
and
we
have
a
second
and
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote.
A
Commissioner
Edwards
yes,
Mr
heminger.
Yes,
commissioner,
Lee.
M
I
A
My
my
mistake:
it's
late,
yes,
commissioner,
rule
Cava.
S
A
Okay
and
that
passes
with
unanimous
votes,
so
we
will
draft
up
a
letter
of.
A
L
I
think
you
know,
in
the
spirit
of
some
of
the
comments
that
were
mentioned
tonight.
I
feel,
like
you
know,
where
every
housing
commission,
maybe
we
kind
of
repeat
these
same
things,
right
yeah
and
we
never
have
an
opportunity
to
have
what
I
I
don't
know.
L
What
the
right
term
is,
but
like
a
working
session
of
this
group
to
say,
like
hey
the
we're
going
to
go
after
this,
we're
like
we're
going
to
study
this
we're
going
to
it's
always
like
we're
hearing
from
developers
we're
hearing
from
staff,
but
we
never
get
to
have
a
conversation
amongst
this
committee
on
hey.
This
is
how
I
feel
about
you
know
committed
affordable
units
or
the
Clarendon
sector
plan
and
are
when
are
we
gonna?
You
know:
meet
our
affordable
housing,
master
plan
goals
and
yeah.
L
While
it
is
a
plan,
I
think
there
has
to
be
room
somewhere
in
my
two
years
on
this
commission.
We
haven't
had
it
yet,
but
there
has
to
be
some
opportunity
where
we
can
deliberate
and
talk
about
that
and
strategy.
So
I'd
love
to
maybe
I'm
missing
something
because
it
was
the
pandemic.
But
you
know:
when
do
we
get
to
say
you
know
we're
actually
going
to
take
that
sector
plan
seriously
and
we're
gonna?
You
know
work
with
County
staff
to
you
know
on
the
incentives
or
the
you
know.
L
When
there
you
get
the
bonus
density,
you
know
we're.
Well,
it's
not
required
by
law,
we're
gonna,
say
hey.
This
is
what's
preferable.
Three
bedrooms
I'm
glad
that
they're
doing
it
because
we
rarely
hear
from
them
are
we
rarely
get
that
type
of
action,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
rambling
to
say
is:
when
do
we
get
to
study
some
of
these
things
and
actually
have
an
influence?
And
not
just
you
know,
go
through
this
systemic
way
of
furthering
harm
for
some
people.
In
my
opinion,.
A
K
A
That
and
talk
about
the
goals
and
and
where
we
were
I
think
part
of
it,
at
least
from
my
perspective
and
and
if
Eric
wants
to
jump
in
is
you
know,
be
in
the
chair
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
Happy
different
to
you
is
that
we
tend
to
come
into
the
process
pretty
late
in
the
game.
You
know
we
ship
has
sailed.
Yes,
like
we
come
in
right
before
the
board
considers
it
there's
no
time
for
changes.
There's
no
time
for
it's.
A
A
So
I
think
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
I've
heard
you
know
since
I
joined
the
Housing
Commission
is
that
we
don't
always
get
to
weigh
in
early
enough
to
really
shape
a
process,
we're
just
here
to
either
say
yes
or
no.
That's
something
that
you
know.
We
can
have
a
conversation
with
staff
to
see.
Are
there
more
opportunities
for
us
to
weigh
in
earlier
on
things?
A
I
know?
Sometimes
things
come
information
for
information
first
and
we
get
an
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
before
it's
an
action
item,
but
I'm
still
learning
more
about
that
process
and
what
things
come
to
place
versus
just
once
and
yeah
so
I
think
Eric
has
his
hand
raised
on
that
as
well.
P
Yeah,
so
you
know
I
definitely
appreciate
the
sentiment.
As
Kellan
mentioned,
we
did
do
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
review
last
year
and
I
will
say:
I,
don't
think
he's
on
here.
So
it's
good
because
I'm
saying
very
complimentary
things
about
Russell
and
he's
not
here,
but
but
Russell
LED
it.
What
I
thought
was
a
very
great
series
of
meetings.
P
You
know
the
the
plan,
the
the
affordable
housing
kind
of
plan
and
ordinance
didn't
change,
but
staff
reviewed
after
you
know
five
six
years
to
look
at
the
implementation
strategies,
but
we
didn't
reopen
the
actual
ordinance
at
the
County
Board
passed.
So
the
County
Board
didn't
take
action,
but
certainly
was
briefed
and
you
know
weighed
in
so
I
mean
I.
Suppose
if
we
want
to
reopen
that
up,
that
would
be
a
very
large
undertaking.
P
Of
course,
the
ordinance,
the
affordable
housing
ordinance
really
underpins
a
lot
of
these
conversations,
and
that
is,
you
know,
a
very
foundational
legal
structure.
We
we
could
look
into
it.
It
would
be
a
pretty
big
deal
for
for
the
commission
to
look
into
it
and
Miss
Cullen
alluded
to.
P
That
would
require
eventual
legislative
action
from
Richmond
to
to
do
anything
so
I'm
not
really
sure
where
we
go
beyond
there,
because
even
with
these
projects,
you
know
unless
there's
a
sector
plan
that
says
otherwise,
there's
typically
the
base
contribution
and
then,
if
there's
bonus,
density,
the
bonus
density,
which
is
not
negotiable
and
has
to
be
on
site
units
typically
and
like
I,
said,
the
sector
plans
sometimes
dictate
other
terms,
so
I
mean
those
sector
plans
and
then
the
ordinance,
that's
really
where
the
policy
kind
of
gets
hammered
out
like
because
the
counties
decided
and
the
community
has
decided.
P
We
want
predictable.
We
want
more
predictable
kind
of
development
strategies
so
that
it
reduced
costs
on
developers,
they're
not
passing
it
along
to
folks
in
in
the
housing,
and
so
we
don't.
You
know
there's
negotiations,
of
course,
for
those
Community
benefits
which
we're
not
privy
to,
because
that
stuff
has
to
be
done
kind
of
behind
closed
doors,
so
I
spoke
spoken
long
enough,
but
I
think
those
are
kind
of
the
areas
where
you
know.
P
Potentially,
we
would
weigh
in
but
I
I
think
if
we're
going
to
do
any
of
that,
we
should
be
thinking
about
that
right
now,
because
budget
season
is
coming
up
and
housing
and
planning
staff
have
their
work
plans
set
to
get
put
together
by
the
County
Board,
and
if
we're
going
to
do
anything
like
that,
we
absolutely
need
staff
support,
because
it's
very
technical
subject
matter.
That's
it
thanks.
Thank.
A
You
Eric
and
I
just
want
to
add
too
that
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that's
not.
G
A
Trying
to
find
time
on
our
agenda
in
June
for
things,
because
we
already
have
the
agenda
full
for
the
next
like
three
months.
So
that's
part
of
the
challenge,
too,
is
that
you
know
if
we're
going
to
do
more
substantive.
You
know
like
getting.
A
Has
to
be
outside
these
meetings
and
people
have
to.
A
Do
that
and
we
you
know,
we
need
staff
to
have
time
to
help
us
with
that
as
well.
So
that's
a
challenge.
One.
P
A
P
Can
I
can
I
can
I
chime
in
here
yeah?
There
has
been
changes
Sarah.
So
if
you
all
remember
the
Boston,
what
it,
what
was
it
called,
but
the
Haven
right
back
back
when
I
was
still
chair
back
in
the
fall
right.
The
Housing
Commission
weighed
in
strongly
and
a
lot
of
folks
wanted
more
on-site
units
in
Boston,
and
so
the
developer
came
up
with
them.
They
weren't
required
to
do
so.
So
we
definitely
had
an
impact.
A
And
I
think
Eric.
That
was
when
it
came
to
us
for
as
an
information
item
and
I
guess,
I
was
thinking
of
when
we
did
the
final
vote.
We
also
put
in
a
letter
we'd
like
even
more.
We
didn't
get
any
more
but
I
think
I,
I
guess
to
Eric's
point.
If
we
weigh
in
earlier
in
the
process,
I
think
there's
there's
more
potential
to
change
versus.
If
this
is
going
to
the
county
board
on
the
18th,
nothing
is
going
to
change
between
now
and
then,
but.
D
K
I
think
so
these
projects
will
have
a
group,
so
someone
from
Housing
Commission,
someone
from
major
commissions,
will
all
be
on
that
group,
as
well
as
a
planning
commissioner,
and
they
will
go
through
the
policies
and
the
site
and
what
goals
they're
looking
to
accomplish
with
the
project.
So
that
is
really
where
Housing
Commission
can
get
their
foot
in
the
door.
Early
is
by
having
someone
from
this
group
as
representative
on
an
sprc,
and
then
you
know
bring
whatever
they
hear
back
to
this
group,
and
you
know
make
the
decision
is.
K
Is
it
something
that
we
need
to
add
to
an
agenda
or
is
there?
You
know
something
we
want
to
get
ahead
of
and
write
a
letter,
so
I
think
that,
although
obviously
not
a
comprehensive
solution,
the
SCRC
is
a
good
first
step
to
kind
of
show
what
the
Housing
Commission
is
looking
for.
E
Because
I
think
you
could
go
there
and
say
you
know,
don't
make
all
your
calves
one
bedrooms,
the
commission
really
wants
to
see
twos
and
I.
Think
that's
where
you
really
might
be
able
to
like
see
that
kind
of
change
happen.
You're,
it's
not
going
to
be
an
ordinance
overhaul,
but
it
could
I,
don't
know,
make
some
of
those
changes
that
are
really
hard
to
make.
K
G
U
K
Okay,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
add
an
alternate
to
alternates
under
each
sprc
so
that
if
there
is
a
date
change,
hopefully
one
of
the
alternates
is
able
to
fill
in
so
yeah
when
I
send
out
opportunities.
So
just
let
me
know
and
I'll
add
you
to
whatever
meeting
but.
K
So
it
should
be
at
the
very
bottom
on
meetings
roster.
So
those
are
the
two
in
between
last
time
and
this
time
that
happened.
So
when
it
comes
out
next
time,
it'll
be
updated
with
the
other
ones.
There
is
also
a
commissions
calendar
that
I
can
send
out
to
the
group,
so
everyone
has
that
link,
but
it
does
have
every
single
commission
meeting
on
it
as
well
as
every
single
sprc.
Yes,
it's
a.
L
Let's
move
on
I
think
I'll
speak
for
myself,
I
think
maybe
you
know
some
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
might
agree,
but
I
think
many
of
us
join
this
Commission
because
we
really
wanted
to
make
a
meaningful
difference
in
the
community
and
when
I
look
at
how
we're
doing
affordable
housing
in
this
County
I
know,
I've
talked
about
it
a
lot
tonight,
even
with
what
this
developer
did.
You
know
we
have
three
to
four
percent:
that's
going
to
be
committed,
affordable,
but
96
of
high
income
earners,
all
in
one
area.
L
Conversely,
we're
doing
100
committed,
affordable,
which,
in
my
opinion,
I
think,
is
modern
day
redlining,
so
I
think
I'm
here
to
try
to
like
disrupt
that
system
and
try
to
you
know
like
make
change,
but
it
feels
like
by
the
time
it
gets
to.
You
know
us
to
take
action,
we're
just
like
rubber,
stamping
it
and
a
lot
of
times
where
you
know
I
feel
like
my
hands
are
tied.
You
know
like
we
have
to
move
the
project
forward,
but
it's
like
advancing
a
system.
L
A
I
think
it's
a
good
point.
Mike
I.
Think
too
part
of
what
you
know
we
had
put
in
our
our
work
plan
for
this
year
around
the
equity
analysis
is
trying
to
make
sure
when,
when
site
plans
come
before
us
that
we
also
get
sort
of
you
know
information
on
what
is
the
impact
of
this
and
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
that's
part
of
the
process
and
I
was
going
to
provide
an
update
on
this
later
in
the
meeting
like
I
guess
during
the
subcommittee.
D
A
I
know
so
I
met
was
to
be
a
bird
to
talk
about.
You
know
how
we
can
start
having
that
Equity
analysis
happening
in
things
that
come
before
the
Housing
Commission,
as
well
as
a
framework
for
us
as
Commissioners
to
use
she'd.
A
Send
me
a
direct
framework
and
I
still
need
to
to
go
through
that,
and
you
know
eventually
bring
something
back
to
the
commission,
but
she
she
had
one
meeting
I
believe
with
the
head
of
planning,
as
well
as
the
head
of
cphd
I,
believe
and
then
she
was
going
to
pull
in
and
Benicia
the
head
of
housing
and
then
I'd
requested
I
want
to
be
part
of
the
meeting
sort
of
after
that
things
shifted
calendar
wise,
so
that
got
pushed
and
what
I
basically
heard
so
Anthony
had
said,
like
staff,
is
very
committed
to
try
and
incorporate
Equity
Equity
into
this
work
and
figure
out
who's,
benefiting
who's
impacted
by
these
decisions,
making
sure
we
have
data
to
support.
A
You
know
that
information,
as
well
as
making
sure
that
we're
Consulting
with
historically
disadvantaged
groups
and
and
other
other
groups
that
traditionally
the
county
does
not
do
a
lot
of
Outreach
to
the
thing
that
I
typically
hear
is
we
just
don't
have
the
staff
to
do
that?
We
don't
have
the
resources
currently
to
you
know
fully
Implement
that
it's
something
that
they
want
to
work
towards,
but
it's
been
a
struggle
so
I.
Think
again,
as
we
look
at
the
budget
recommendation,
that's
really
key
to
me.
A
You
can't
have
staff
saying
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
an
equity
analysis
for
all
these
projects,
because
that
means
Equity
is
not
a
priority
for
the
county
and
we
I
had
that
conversation
with
Matthew
Franti
who
acknowledged
yes,
he
agrees
that's
a
high
priority,
but
he
doesn't
think
that
the
board
will
do
anything
on
it
this
year
and
but
we
should
certainly
keep
asking
so
I
think
these
are
all
things
to
also
keep
in
mind
during
the
budget
discussion
that
we
haven't
launched
as
well.
A
P
Yeah
one
comment
I
would
be
I
would
have
is
if
and
when
we
do,
that
to
figure
out
a
way
if
we
can
also
have
some
informed
kind
of
financial
analysis
into
that,
because
you
know
there
are
some
localities
I
understand
that
can
require
20
to
30
percent
of
new
developments
to
have
committed,
affordable
units
and
I.
You
know,
I
I
suspect,
that's
not
feasible
in
Arlington,
because
we
have
Sky
High
land
costs
and
development
costs
and
so
to
understand
kind
of
what
the
outer
limits
of
what
makes
projects
feasible.
P
A
N
A
Development
and
certainly
the
state
level,
so
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
move
on
to
briefing
on
residential
convergence.
Okay,
great.
G
Yeah
I'll
kick
us
off
and
thanks
for
having
us
tonight
I,
this
is
obviously
an
information
item
and
we
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
sort
of
some
of
the
thoughts
that
County
staff
have
worked
through
on
office,
residence,
conversions.
Obviously,
a
very
hot
topic
I
would
just
want
to
stress
that
this
is
not
a
final.
This
is
an
iterative
process
that
we're
continuing
to
track
where
the
market
is
and
where
opportunities
are
in
our
regulatory
process.
G
So
obviously,
the
value
of
office
to
raise
your
conversions-
and
this
is
not
I'm
new
to
a
lot
of
you
I'm
sure-
is
the
balance
between
a
a
very
weakened
and
probably
structurally
weakened
and
most
likely
structurally
weakened
office
Market,
where
we
may
just
not
need
as
much
office
as
we
did
in
the
past
and
the
and
a
strategy
of
not
only
trying
to
be
aggressive,
filling
that
office
space
with
New
Uses
and
which
we
are
working
under.
G
G
The
question
we
always
get
asked
is:
why
haven't
we
seen
more
conversions?
Well,
we
we
have
seen
a
couple
over
the
past
several
decades,
most
recent
being
the
wework
project
where
we
work
we
live,
but
the
reality
is
is
that,
as
we've
talked
to
the
development
Community,
there
is
a
lack
of
supply
of
assets
that
actually
meet
the
criteria
for
for
creating
this
office
to
resi
conversion
one
while
vacancy
rate
is
very
high
and
from
our
own
technical
development
perspective.
G
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
nearly
100
vacant,
Office
Buildings
with
no
lease
liabilities,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
buildings
that
are
70
to
80
percent
occupied
and
therefore
are
still
difficult
to
just
drain
out
those
tenants
from
an
economic
basis
and
the
in
the
basis
the
the
land
basis
associated
with
the
existing
office
building
is
not
low
enough
to
justify
a
residential
diversion.
Also
I
think
people
often
often
underestimate
the
costs
savings
relative
to
new
construction.
G
Conversions
are
very
complicated.
They
often
require
a
lot
more
Renovations
and
reconfiguring
systems
than
is
typical
and
then
most
and
we'll
stressing
this
later
and
when
I
pass
it
off
to
Anthony.
But
we
we
have
a
lot
of
these
buildings
in
areas
where
Redevelopment
we
plan
for
decades
for
redevelopment
and
Redevelopment
is
an
opportunity.
That's
been
a
conversion.
Y
All
right,
thank
you,
Mark
and
good
evening.
Everyone
for
those
I
haven't
met
Anthony
fusarelli
planning
director
here
with
Arlington
and
so
just
to
build
a
little
bit
upon
some
of
what
Mark
was
just
touching
touching
on.
You
know:
we've
worked
I've
I've
been
with
cphd
planning
for
a
few
years
now
and
had
a
number
of
conversations
or
several
conversations
over
the
years,
with
various
developers,
at
least
exploring
the
possibility
of
conversions
and
one
of
the
things
that
often
comes
back.
Y
Putting
aside
the
economics-
and
this
is
indirectly
an
economic
Dynamic
are
a
lot
of
the
details
and
the
physicality
of
taking
a
building
and
converting
it.
Basically,
adaptive
re
adaptively
reusing
it
specifically
here
from
office
to
residential
there's.
You
know
the
points
we
see
on
the
slide
here,
I'm
not
going
to
talk
through
all
of
them,
but
you
know
just
to
take
a
few
examples,
as
it
relates
to
structure
right
I
mean
the
details
of
the
existing
office
structure
and
its
strength.
Y
Its
ability
to
accommodate
new
facades
that
might
be
put
in
place
for
residential
use
compared
to
the
previous
office
use
the
lateral
stability
of
the
building
and
a
potential
need
for
reinforcing
slabs
in
certain
instances,
mechanical
electrical
Plumbing
Systems.
You
know
in
many
times
for
these
types
of
conversions.
They
can't
be
reused.
They
need
to
be
fully
replaced.
Y
You
need
to
sort
of
core
drill
through
slabs
and
kind
of
work.
Those
systems
through
the
buildings
certainly
can
be
done,
but
at
cost-
and
you
know
it's
it's-
it's
a
more
complicated
and
customized
planning
and
design
solution
versus
new
construction.
Y
Another
common
challenge
which
which
Mark
already
touched
upon,
is
the
floor
plates
themselves.
We
do
have
a
couple
examples:
Mark
noted
the
wework.
Y
We
live
building
this
this
building
here,
which
was
formerly
called
Crystal
Plaza
2,
and
it's
now
known
as
220
20th
Street,
was,
to
my
knowledge,
the
first
office
to
residential
conversion
in
Arlington
County,
completed
just
about
2010
2011.,
these
four
plates,
these
1960s
Office
Buildings
in
this
instance,
had
a
floor
plate
that
was
workable
for
conversion,
but
a
lot
of
the
office
product
and
inventory
we
have
in
Arlington
isn't
necessarily
working
with
the
same
same
proportions.
Y
Y
Mark.
If
we
can
go
to
the
final
slide
in
terms
of
Arlington's
approach
and
there's
a
lot
of
I'm
sure
many.
If
not
all,
of
you
have
read
a
lot
over
the
past
few
years
in
terms
of
what
localities
are
doing
or
how
they're
thinking
about
incentivizing
conversions.
Y
Y
First
of
all,
zoning
here
in
Arlington
isn't
necessarily
the
barrier
that
it
that
it
is
and
can
be
in
other
localities
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
when
we
think
about
the
site
plan
development
in
particular,
that
is
permitted
and
has
been
implemented
in
many
of
our
activity
centers
and
our
Transit
corridors.
Y
Y
That
isn't
always
the
case
in
places
whether
it's
DC,
New,
York
City,
has
recently
itself
gone
through
a
similar
effort
to
look
at
incentives
and
Regulatory
changes,
and,
and
one
of
the
hurdles
they
face
is
some
of
their
zoning
actually
is
quite
restrictive
in
terms
of
the
ability
to
incorporate
residential
use
in
certain
areas
of
the
of
the
city.
Y
Another
important
element
that
Arlington
really
started
to
implement
an
Institute
I
would
say
going
back
to
the
mid-1990s
is
really
thinking
about
the
second
generation
of
Transit
oriented
development
right,
and
this
was
probably
first
started
to
be
applied
in
Roslyn,
but
later
in
Crystal,
City,
we're
seeing
it
in
Boston
and
some
other
neighborhoods
opportunities
to
establish
plans,
building
more
development
potential
to
really
encourage
and
incentivize
Redevelopment
more
growth,
where
we
want
to
see
that
growth,
but
also
importantly
with
that
growth
and
with
that
Redevelopment,
is
the
opportunity
to
realize
and
improve
public
Realm.
Y
You
know
looking
back
at
a
lot
of
the
development
built
in
the
60s
and
70s
decisions
were
made
that
perhaps
wouldn't
necessarily
live
up
to
our
current
hopes
and
aspirations
in
terms
of
the
public
streets,
we're
creating
the
public
spaces,
we're
creating
and
the
overall
Urban
environment
so
Redevelopment,
while
it
can
also
while
it
can
put
an
existing
property
or
site
to
a
higher
and
better
use,
it
could
create
more
housing
through
Redevelopment.
It
could
also
improve
our
public
realm
compared
to
an
office,
adaptive,
reuse,
solution.
Y
Y
You
know
that
can
be
considered
when
conversion
is
a
consideration,
but
really
taking
a
hard
look
at
considering
where
and
when
certain
sites
in
the
county
really
should
be
maintained
and
reserved
for
an
office
use,
and
where
should
we
have
more
flexibility?
So
potomi
guard
land
base
C
in
terms
of
the
Hazel
which
is
currently
under
construction.
The
Wendy's
site
here
in
Courthouse,
which
is
also
under
construction,
are
just
a
couple
examples
where
we
have
applied
as
staff.
Y
We've
applied
that
administrative
guidance
to
thinking
more
flexible
flexibly
about
converting
from
an
office
to
residential
in
those
cases
pre-construction,
but
it
could
also
come
into
play
post-construction
as
well,
and
then,
finally,
you
know
there
are
some
opportunities,
we're
always
looking
to
innovate
and
improve,
or,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
we
are
advancing
commercial
Market
resiliency
initiative.
That's
very
important:
a
top
priority
to
the
county
manager,
Mark
and
his
team
are
doing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
great
work
there.
Y
So
when
it
comes
to
zoning,
if
we
do
learn
about
impediments
or
challenges
that
the
market
is
facing,
we
are
more
than
willing
to.
You
know,
dig
in
and
explore
those
and
see
how
it
could
be
improved.
Live
work
units
is
one
example
where
perhaps
our
current
zoning
structure
doesn't
address
that
use
as
cleanly
as
we
might
want
it
to,
but
we
also
haven't
really
been
actively
engaged
or
approached
by
a
lot
of
developers
interested
in
in
converting
you
know
to
those
uses
as
well.
Y
So
if
that
changes,
we
will
certainly
give
us
some
additional
work
to
focus
on
and
then
the
last
thing
just
to
mention
is
you
know.
Other
jurisdictions
I
mentioned
DC
earlier.
Other
cities
are
considering
or
have
established.
Y
Non-Regulatory,
incentives
to
you
know,
advance
or
encourage
conversions,
I
think
when
we
think
about
our
approach
here
in
Arlington
and
the
landscape
we're
working
with
you
know,
we
really
need
to
think
hard
about
the
benefit
of
that
conversion
and
putting
in
those
in
those
financial
or
non-regulatory
incentives,
compared
with
other
approaches
of
Redevelopment
that
might
act
physically
Advance.
Y
A
lot
of
other
goals-
and
perhaps
you
know
the
conversation
earlier
in
terms
of
achieving
more
affordable,
committed,
affordable
housing
through
additional
density
is
is
certainly
something
that
is
a
benefit
as
well,
so
Mark
I,
think
that
brings
us
to
our
final
slide
and
unless
there's
anything,
you
want
to
tie
up
I
think
we're
ready
for
any
questions
or
conversation.
A
A
The
county
is
not
focusing
that
up
on
this.
This
is
the.
A
To
a
lot
of
our
problems
in
Arlington
and
I
think
this
was
really
helpful
to
explain
why
that's
so
challenging
but
I
think
along
with
that
and
I
know,
you
talked
about
Redevelopment.
G
A
Are
the
owners
of
these
buildings
just
content
to
have
them
sit
there
sit
there
and
not
serve
any
productive
use
versus
tearing
them
down
and
redeveloping
into
residential,
considering
their
vacancy
rates
are,
are
always
super
low
in
Arlington.
A
G
Can
just
give
a
brief
and
but
I
think
I.
Think
Anthony
can
answer
the
question
of
that
that
I
think
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
it.
Quite
frankly,
I
think
his
staff
is
is
putting
site
plans
through
the
process
on
a
monthly
basis.
But
I
do
think
that
you
know
Redevelopment
is
a
is
a
is
a
more
significant
process
of
of
going
through
a
process
of
planning
and
and
not
just
Arlington
planning,
meaning
the
developer
planning
out
the
site
and
getting
together
the
financing.
G
So
it
seems
like
it's
taking
longer,
but
I
think
in
Crystal,
City
and
other
places
we
are
seeing
in
Roslyn.
We
are
seeing
just
that
happening.
I
think
Anthony
can
probably
rattle
off
10
site
plans
that
are
taking
old
buildings
and
turning
them
into
residential.
Y
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mark
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
about
10,
but
just
in
Crystal,
City
and
and
Roslyn
alone.
Right
even
going
back
a
few
years
ago,
400
Army
Navy
Drive
was
redeveloped.
You
know
torn
down
as
an
office
building
that
was
bracked
or
affected
by
base
realignment
and
closure.
Y
That
is
now.
You
know
home
to
if
it'll
be
400,
plus
residential
units,
currently
under
construction
in
Crystal
City.
You
know,
as
we
speak,
1900
Crystal
Drive
replaced
a
400,
000
square
foot
vacant
office
building
just
across
the
street
Crystal
Plaza
one
has
recently
torn
down.
That
was
actually
a
replica
building
to
what
we've
shown
through
the
wework
we
live,
and
the
220
20th
examples
that
office
building
was
demoed.
Y
Last
year
it's
going
to
be
replaced
with
I,
think
close
to
600
or
700
residential
units,
and
just
last
month
the
County
board
approved
Redevelopment
at
Crystal,
Plaza
5,
which
again
will
take
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
square
feet
of
1960s
office
space
out
of
commission.
If
you
can
go
down
there
today
and
actually
it's
being
deconstructed
as
we
speak,
and
it's
slated
for
close
to
1400
residential
units,
the
RCA
site
in
Roslyn,
also
demo
activity
is
getting
underway
there.
So
I
think
it's
really.
Y
We
are
seeing
it
right
and
it's
but
part
of
the
nature
of
the
the
field
that
we
work
in
and
the
work
we
do.
Buildings
have
a
certain
level
of
permanence
to
them,
and
so
things
don't
necessarily
change
overnight,
but
they
change
year
by
year,
decade
by
decade-
and
we
are
I-
was
just
looking
at
the
list
of
site
plan
applications
that
we
currently
have
in
either
for
preliminary
or
active
or
conceptual
review,
and
we've
got
over
20
20
projects
in
the
review.
Pipeline
and
many
of
those
do
involve.
G
I
guess
yeah
and
I'll
just
add
that
that
forward
looking
is
important
as
well.
We
have
brookfield's
site
the
old
TSA
buildings,
which
will
come
back
in
at
some
point
for
a
more
mixed-use
residential.
We
have
nsta.
We
have
a
lot
of
these
projects,
so
most
everyone
that
owns
an
office
building
that
is
obsolete
is
looking
to
redevelop
if
they're,
if
it's
an
appropriate
location,.
A
So
I
guess
my
follow-up
on
that
was
you
know
we
hear
a
lot
about
the
office
vacancy
rate
and
the
impact
on
you
know
our
tax
revenue
and
and
from
my
purification.
The
impact
on
our
Housing
Programs
as
a
result
of
it
are,
is
the
comp
is
the
county
fairly
confident
that,
basically,
that
situation
is
going
to
resolve
itself
as
a
result
of
the
the
pace
of
Redevelopment
or
conversions
that
are
in
the
pipeline
or
is
does
more
need
to
be
done
to
Spur
that
Redevelopment
or
conversion
to
happen?
I?
Think
that's!
A
That's
for
me.
The
key
question
of
like
is
it
naturally
just
going
to
resolve
itself
because
developers
are
going
to
redevelop
or
convert,
or
does
the
county
need
to
do
more
to
encourage
that
to
happen?.
G
So
I
can
take
a
crack
at
that.
This
is
the
I
would
say
the
primary
focus
of
our
County
Manager
and
I
would
address
it
as
both
attacking
it
from
the
demand
side,
which
is
getting
New
Uses
into
buildings,
Office
Buildings,
expanding
our
marketing
efforts
continuing
to
try
to
mine
every
possible
opportunity
continue
to
sell
Arlington
is
the
place
that
that
companies
want
to
be
even
in
the
headwinds
of
not
knowing
when
return
to
work
is
going
to
fully
happen
and
what
types
of
space
is
people
going
to
need.
G
So
the
commercial
Mark
resiliency
effort
that
that
Anthony
references
part
of
that
trying
to
expand
the
nature
of
uses
that
can
go
into
office
buildings
and
then
clearly
the
supply
side
through
Redevelopment
are
office.
Conversions,
if
we
see
them,
is
a
big
part
of
that,
because
I
think
most
experts
will
tell
you
that
for
most
this
isn't
just
our
LinkedIn
for
for
most
of
the
region
and
the
country
there's
just
going
to
be
structural
vacancy.
G
Until
we
reduce
the
supply,
it
doesn't
mean
new
Office
Buildings
won't
be
built
that
serve
a
certain
tenant
base.
It
just
means
that
we
have
older
obsolete
buildings
that
are
no
longer
really
functional
and
able
to
attract
tenants,
and-
and
so
yes,
you
have
to
attack
it
from
both
the
demand
and
Supply.
It
is
not
something
that
will
resolve
itself.
G
It
is
something
that
we
all
are
focused
on
from
ad
to
cbhd
to
all
departments,
in
terms
of
reducing
that
vacancy
rate,
but,
more
importantly,
reducing
the
vacancy
rate
is
a
common
theme,
but
it's
really
about
rebalancing
the
fiscal
base
and
understanding
that
we're
probably
not
going
to
have
the
same
office
impact
on
our
fiscal
basis
that
we've
had
in
the
past,
but
that
multi-family
residential
so
provides
a
significant
economic
boost
as
well.
A
Thank
you
Laura
and
then
Eric.
P
Thanks
Colin
I
actually
was
going
to
respond,
something
that
Mike
was
saying
earlier
about
where
the
Housing
Commission
can
have
input,
and
so
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
Meandering.
Bear
with
me.
It
is
a
coherent
thought,
even
though
it's
9
30.,
but
I'm
thinking
about
you,
know
a
lot
of
the
projects
that
Amazon
is
doing
and
I
was
delighted.
You
know
a
year
or
so
ago,
it's
maybe
several
years
now
when
it
was
announced
that
the
Arlington
Community
High
School,
would
be
co-located
over
there
and
I.
P
P
We
can,
and
we
certainly
have
had
an
impact
in
informing
you
know
our
staff
here
and
the
County
Board
on
things
we'd
like
to
see
and
clearly
that's
an
example
of
the
co-location
of
the
school
where
the
community
for
for
quite
a
long
time
had
said
said.
You
know
we
really
want
to
co-locate.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
enough
school
capacity
in
that
area
right
and
so
you
know,
staff
worked
with
with
Amazon
and
kind
of
made
that
happen.
P
So
this
might
go
a
little
astray
of
the
housing
commission's
mandate,
but
I
also
think
that
we
can
think
just
beyond
like
the
strict
housing
Supply,
because
these
spaces
can
be
potentially
adapted
to
different
uses
other
than
housing
or
office
space
if
they
are
going
to
get
redeveloped
and
that
could
that
creativity
could
help
us
when
the
county
say
acquires.
Since
you
know,
I'm
forgetting
the
project
here.
But
but
you
know,
the
county
acquires
some
some
spare
space
or
as
a
part
of
a
transaction.
P
We
get
some,
we
get
some
land
and
then
we
can
use
that
for
housing
and
then
use
this
other
land
for
something
else.
So
I
think
that's
what
the
county
is
doing
and
I
kind
of
applaud
that
here,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
as
a
commission
to
keep
weighing
in
and
saying
here
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
want.
As
a
livable,
Community
I
mean
Mark
was
essentially
saying
you
know
at
some
point.
A
L
Said
a
couple
comments,
you
know:
I'd
love
for
maybe
some
of
this
information
that
have
more
of
a
public
facing
role,
because
I
get
asked
this
all
the
time
and
I'm
just
kind
of
like
well,
you
know
I
know
it's
really
difficult
to
do.
It's
really
expensive,
but
you
know
maybe
there's
a
one-pager
and
I
think
there's
a
working
group
that
the
county
recently
stood
up,
but
maybe
they
could
play
a
more
public-facing
role.
L
I
love
that
we
took
a
look
back
at
you
know
some
of
the
design
in
the
60s,
and
we
said
hey
that
doesn't
really
meet
the
needs
of
what
we
need
today.
Are
we
looking
at
the
buildings
that
are
being
built
today
and
saying
hey
in
20
30
years?
You
know:
is
there
a
potential
to
like
convert
these
buildings
into
residential
and
is
there
a
way
to
build
like
a
hybrid
model
where
it
could
act?
L
L
You
know,
you
know,
get
people
to
come
back
to
work
when
Market
forces
are
saying
that
Tech
workers
are
in
such
high
demand
right
now
that
they
could
pretty
much
name
their
own
terms
and
they
were
where
they
want
to
work
and
what
income
they
want
to
make.
You
know
and
if
Amazon
says
hey,
we
want
that
entire
25
000.
You
know
Workforce
to
go
to
work
and
they
you
know
that
Workforce
says
kind
of
you
know.
L
We
don't
think
so
what
how
do
we
know
that
that's
not
going
to
contribute
to
more
of
our
office
vacancy
problem.
G
Those
are
a
lot
of
high-level
questions.
I'll
try
to
take
some
of
them.
I
may
have
got
the
first
one
you
mentioned,
but
I'll
take
the
last
one.
You
can
remind
me
if
I
forget
the
the
the
the
return
to
work.
Question
is
something
we
we
at
AED
and
the
county
think
about
every
day
and
I
think
the
answer
is
going
to
be
not
just
the
private
sector,
whether
they
dictate
posts
comeback
is
about.
G
Do
you
continue
to
create
the
places
where
people
want
to
come
back
to
work
and
that
it
means
that
means
that
we
all
we
all
say
well,
everyone
can
just
work
in
the
living
room.
Well,
if
your
living
room
is
always
so
exciting
for
most
places
and
and
and
you
want
to
come
into
work
because
you
want
to
enjoy
the
neighborhood
and
so
a
lot
of
the
place,
making
elements
that
cphd
and
DPR
and
Des
work
on
as
well
as
AED
I,
think,
are
important
to
that
and
I.
G
Think
Amazon
has
invested
a
lot
of
of
time
and
effort
in
that
and
and
I
think,
with
their
retail
strategy
and
other
things
in
terms
of
their
their
parks,
and
they
are
betting
on
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
talk
to
their
employees
about
wanting
to
come
to
work
because
it's
going
to
be
an
interesting
place
to
go
so,
but
that
is
the
literally
the
billion
dollar
question
Nationwide
about
what
happens
when
how
much
of
the
workforce
is
going
to
be
teleworking
permanently
on
a
hybrid?
G
And
what
does
that
mean
to
our
office
supplies?
So
I
can't
answer
that
question
other
than
the
fact
that
we
continue
to
work
on
what
we
can
control,
which
is
helping
the
public
realm,
be
the
best
place
possible
so
that
people
want
to
come
back
and
so
remind
me
of
the
other
two
questions.
I'm.
Sorry,
sir.
L
Y
Mark,
if
you
wanna
I,
could
I
could
provide
one
anecdote
and
and
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
so
much
focused
on
the
the
idea,
the
conversion
from
commercial
office
to
to
residential
down
the
road,
but
I'll
give
you
another
example
that
I
think
is
going
to
become
more
and
more
important
and
more
relevant.
Going
forward
for
us
and
I
think
we
started
to
see
this
with
some
recent
projects,
but
parking
right,
and
particularly
in
projects
in
Roslyn
or
where
you
have.
Y
You
typically
have
a
balance
between
some
below
grade
and
some
above
grade
parking,
but
we
we
also
have
that
in
some
other
places
across
Arlington,
but
the
RCA
when
the
RCA
Redevelopment
came
through
a
year
or
two
ago.
You
know
there
was
discussion
about
the
above
grade
parking
levels
in
that
building,
and
you
know
the
ability
for
basically
the
the
level
of
convertibility
down
the
road
right.
Y
If
how
we
approach
Transportation,
20
or
30
years
from
now,
is
so
fundamentally
different
that
the
parking
ratios
today
that
we
think
are
aggressive
or
appropriate
at
0.3
per
unit,
or
actually
like
twice
or
triple
what
we
need.
You
know
how
can
we
rethink
and
reuse
that
space
so
an
above
grade
parking
deck
is
certainly
an
opportunity
that
I
think
we
should
be
placing
more
focus
on
and
with
something
that
was
factored
into
the
developers
and
The
Architects
approach
to
that
building.
I'm,
not
you
know.
The
office
question
is
I.
Y
Think
a
good
question,
the
20.
You
know
site
plans
in
the
pipeline
that
I
mentioned
earlier
very
few
of
them.
If
any
are
office,
you
know
we
have
one
office
building
under
development
if
I'm,
recalling
correctly
in
Virginia
Square.
Y
Y
The
first
comment
about
I
think
the
one
pager
and
you:
how
can
we
get
this
information
out
there
more
public
facing
I,
think
Mark
and
I
would
definitely
be
more
than
happy
to
go
back
and
work
with
our
our
Communications
and
engagement
teams
and
see
if
we
can
find
you
know
an
appropriate
place
for
some
of
this
information.
Yeah.
G
I
will
I
will
thanks
for
reminding
me.
The
first
question
was
I
will
publicize
that
we
do
have
a
it's,
not
a
one-pager,
it's
a
think
of
four
page
or
a
three-pager
on
our
commercial
micro
resiliency
site
on
this
very
topic
that
sort
of
mimics.
What
we
just
talked
about
tonight,
so
I
think
Alex
can
send
that
out
to
you,
if
you
ever
hasn't
already
so
you
have
it
and
and
that
kind
of
walks
through
where
we
are
today
once
again.
It's
not
it's
not
meant
to
be
a
we've.
G
Just
we've
figured
it
out
and
here's
the
answer.
It's
meant
to
be
where
we
are
today,
and
that
was
at
the
request.
Similarly
of
the
County
Board
of
saying,
we
need
something
to
be
able
to
talk
to
our
community
in
the
interim
about
what
we're,
what
we're
seeing.
A
And
is
that
doors
with
entertain
race.
A
Doris,
are
you
there,
foreign.
X
I
just
had
a
question
in
terms
of
building
and
facility
and
architecture
what
what
considerations
they're
anticipate
or
that
you
research
go
or
that
you've
actually
seen
go
go
into
the
conversion
from
a
a
in
office,
building
to
a
residential
and
particular
I'm
thinking
about
differences
in
design
and
building
codes.
X
Things
like
like
the
plumbing
things
like
new
requirements,
for
example,
for
accessibility
I
mean
do
do
when
you're
doing
a
conversion
like
this,
and
you
have
to
decide
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
demolishment
and
a
Redevelopment
for
whether
it's
going
to
be
actually
a
conversion
of
the
building
is,
is
what
you're,
considering
keeping
the
outer
shell
and
and
demolishing
the
inside
and
then
rebuilding
it
or
or
is
it
something
less
than
that?
And
what
are
the
costs?
Y
Yeah
well,
Mark
I
can
jump
in
just
on
I
think
some
of
the
physicality
and
the
architecture
and
building
components
and
again
we
we
don't
necessarily
we're
not
Architects
here
in
the
planning
office
we
may
have
one
or
or
two
people
who
are
you
know
trained
as
Architects,
but
in
so
from
a
planner's
perspective
and
based
on
conversations
we've
had
with
developers
who
have
either
built
these
projects
or
can
explored
building
these
projects.
These
conversions
Doris,
it's
exactly.
Y
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
you
pointed
to
or
all
those
details
that
really
need
to
be
thought
through
and
solved
for
right.
The
mechanical
systems,
the
electrical
and
plumbing
probably
all
have
to
go
and
and
think
about
how
that's
going
to
get
redone
how
it's
going
to
be
drilled
through
the
concrete
slabs.
Do
you
need
to
reinforce
some
of
the
concrete
slabs
and
are
the
floors
strong
enough
to
support
the
new
facades?
Y
I
think
you
know
in
Crystal,
City
alone,
on
this
one
block,
you
know
we
have
slides
that
show
two
buildings
on
opposite
corners
of
a
block
that
are
conversions
and
one
of
the
buildings
at
the
northeast
corner.
220Th,
they
literally
did
basically
take
that
building
down
to
its
concrete
slab
and
columns
and
then
basically
rebuilt
it.
Y
So
that's
one
approach
and
then
the
other
approach
for
the
wework
we
live.
They
actually
kept
the
exterior
facade
and
the
skin
of
the
building
in
place
intact.
Y
G
It
yeah
I
mean
there
also,
as
I
mentioned,
one
of
my
slides
Market
resistance,
but
there
also
is
just
a
quality
of
life
about
how
you
convert
buildings.
If
you
think
of
older
Office
Buildings,
many
of
them
are
have
deep
floor
plates
and
low
ceilings.
Well,
it's
very
hard
to
to
just
convert
that
building,
as
is
without
creating
units
that
have
no
natural
light
in
them.
So
the
solutions
that
other
developers
have
come
up
with
when
appropriate,
is
pick
smaller
floor,
plate
buildings
that
are
that
you
can
make
economically
work,
but
also
like
with
wework.
G
We
live,
they
put
all
their
micro
units
and
we
say
micro
units.
They
were
Murphy
bed
units
where
they
were
so
small
that
the
bed
was.
It
was
in
the
wall,
but
they
put
them
all
on
the
Ring
of
the
of
the
of
the
windows
and
then
use
the
center
core
as
a
joint
amenity
space.
So
it
wasn't
a
place.
People
had
to
live.
It
was
a
place
they
congregated
and
had
you
know
it
was
a
very
unique
concept.
Other
things
we
talked
about
live
work
other
of
the
Fairfax
and
Alexandria
projects.
G
They've
created
it
where
the
residential
side
of
it
is
on
the
window
and
say
maybe
a
a
workspace
is
interior,
so
it's
not
nearly
as
detrimental,
but
you
know,
as
as
Anthony
said.
G
Sometimes
when
an
architect
look
they'll
say
well,
we
have
to
start
tearing
up
slab
and
when
you
start
tearing
up
slab,
then
it
gives
a
question
of
why
don't
we
just
tear
it
on
the
whole
thing
and
rebuild
the
skin
if
the
skin
is
the
only
thing
that's
being
kept,
I
will
say
that
the
one
thing
that
conversions
do
have
going
for
them
is
underground
parking.
G
If
you
have
underground
parking,
you
can
save
significant
money
on
not
having
to
rebelt
rebuild
that,
but
even
then
that's
a
logistical
challenge
of
how
you
access
that
parking
with
a
new
building
on
top
of
it.
So
we're
not
trying
to
be
pessimistic,
I
hope
but
I
hope
we're
not
leaving
that
impression.
But
we
just
want
to
explain
sort
of
why
we're
not
seeing
as
much
but
I
think
we'll
see
some
but
I
think
we'll
have
to
just
it'll
be
a
case-by-case
basis
of
what
buildings
sort
of
thread
that
needle.
A
Sure,
thank
you
any
other
questions
on
this
topic.
A
Okay,
so
we're
actually
gonna
skip
the
next
agenda
item,
not
just
because
it's
9
40,
but
also
because
I
have
not
finished
the
annual
report
for
last
year,
so
that
will
come
before
the
commission,
hopefully
in
March,
and
then
we
have
development
updates.
Is
the
next
agenda
item
yeah.
K
Real
quick
update
here,
but
a
important
one,
so
the
FY
24
ahif
notice,
the
funding
bill
availability
will
be
canceled
for
FY
2024.
So
we're
not
going
to
issue
a
nofa.
The
county
has
recently
made
significant
financial
commitments,
which
obviously
all
are
aware
of
to
construct
and
preserve,
affordable
housing
in
the
county,
including
Barcroft,
and
crystal
houses
Barcroft.
Obviously,
the
December
21
approval
with
a
150
million
dollar
County
acquisition
loan
and
financed
by
a
short
time.
K
Affordability
at
the
bar
Croft
departments,
so
staff
does
continue
to
explore
strategies
on
how
we're
going
to
pay
down
that
line
of
credit
and
that
may
have
to
include
using
a
portion
of
our
un
allocated
balances
so
also
for
crystal
houses.
You
know
we
heard
an
item
on
that
last
month.
I
think
so.
There's
approximately
53
million
dollars
in
gap
financing
anticipated
for
that
project.
K
It
will,
you
know,
claim
to
deliver
655
calves
at
the
crystal
house,
infill
site
and
just
as
a
reminder,
the
the
nofa
or
the
notice
of
funding
availability
is
a
process
where
the
county
releases,
an
application
in
mid-spring
developers,
reply
to
it
mid-summer
and
then
in
early
fall.
The
county
has
a
recommendation
of
what
project
to
fund
and
it
helps
kind
of
build
out
the
pipeline
for
the
affordable
housing
developments
that
we
have
going
forward.
K
So
we
will
obviously
revisit
this
next
year
for
fy25
next
winter.
So
you
know,
obviously
we
would
love
to
have
a
nofa,
but
it
is
not
physically
possible
for
fy24.
K
So
that's
the
development
update
there,
not
sure.
If
there's
any
questions,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
that
big
of
a
surprise,
but
that
is
the
development
updates
and
then
additionally,
I
will
be
continuing
to
send
out
opportunities
for
sprc's,
since
we
had
the
last
ones
and
this
kind
of
goes
into
subcommittee
reports,
but
I'm,
not
sure.
If
Laura
you
had
the
Sunrise
Assisted
Living
Club
study
did
that
take
place.
D
V
V
K
Then
there
was
a
Wilson
Boulevard
special
Club
study.
Margaret
I
think
covered
that
I'm,
not
sure
if
she's.
K
Yeah
I
have
you
as
the
rep
and
Eric
and
Michael
heminger
as
the
alternates,
but
they're
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that
was
the
first
of
two
there's.
Usually
two
that's
Pharisees,
but
if
not
then
I'll
make
sure
that
we
have
the
date
for
the
second
one.
Okay,.
U
K
U
I
know
that
one
you
mentioned
Wendy's
I
can
hear
that
developer
get
so
mad,
don't
call
it
the
Wendy's
side.
I
was
like.
K
And
one
thing
I
will
say
about:
the
skrcs
is
with
the
new
electronic
meeting
roles
they're,
unfortunately
like
you,
do
formally
have
to
submit
your
name
and
then
the
Planning
Commission
has
to
approve
it
to
be
on
the
sprc.
So
it
is
like
a
little
bit
of
a
backlog
process
because
they
can
only
improve
it
at
their
meetings.
So
we
need
to
have
the
name
submitted
by
the
Planning
Commission
meetings.
K
So
there's
like
a
lot
of
different
moving
pieces
on
it,
but
basically
as
soon
as
you're
able
to
if
you
know
you
can
make
a
meeting.
If
you
could
respond
to
me,
I'll
get
your
name
and
information
over
to
the
lead
player.
U
D
K
K
A
K
Yeah,
so
for
each
site
plan,
there's
really
multiple
engagement
opportunities,
there's
an
online
engagement
opportunity.
K
So
yes
to
the
written
question
and
then
there's
also,
usually
they
do
a
tour
and
they
walk
the
site
at
the
very
beginning.
And
then
there
will
be
two
sprcs
one
focused
on
kind
of
building
design
architecture
and
then
a
second
one
which
were
more
important
too,
which
has
to
do
with
Community
benefits.
K
So
in
my
experience
and
I've
only
been
in
this
role
for
a
year,
so
not
that
much
experience,
but
usually
it's
just
a
commission
member
attends.
It
I
think
writing
a
comment.
You
know
as
yourself
totally
you
know
normal
practice,
I
think
if
you
were
looking
to
make
a
comment
from
the
commission,
it
might
be
in
the
form
of
a
letter
from
the
commission.
A
But
that
yeah
so
that
that
typically
just
comes
before
it
goes
to
the
board.
So
after
that
asparency
process
is
done
and
like
tonight,
we'll
have
a
letter
that
goes
for
the
Jewish,
Motors
development
or
whatever
the
address
is
for
it.
But
but
that's
usually
when
the
commission
is
a
mobile
weigh-in.
F
F
A
A
A
I
think
we
probably
could
get
better
at
figuring
out
a
way
to
ensure
that
whoever
is
representing
the
commission
has
gathered
input
from
the
commission
or.
D
A
Going
to
discuss
anything
as
a
commission,
so
it
just
limits
what
we
can
yeah.
Okay.
K
Yeah,
if
there's
three
or
more
people,
it's
considered
that
our
Housing
Commission
members
is
considered
a
public
meeting,
so
we
would
have
to
provide.
L
D
K
K
Those
it
was
did
Eric
Burkey,
chair,
I,.
U
U
A
So
it
sounds
like
it's
worth
looking
at
other
than
the
the
homeownership
subcommittee.
It
doesn't
sound
like
we
have
any
active
subcommittees
right
now,
so
it's
boring
what
those
should
be
and
I'm
happy
to
to
take
a
stab
at
that
and
come
back
to
the
commission
with
some
recommendations
and
as
I
said
last
last
month,
I
still
need
to
schedule
one-on-one
meetings
with
everyone
to
talk
to
everything,
but
only
so
much
time
but
yeah.
A
Hopefully
that
can
inform
you
know
is
we
have
our
plan
of
action
or
a
work
plan
and
the
subcommittees
need
to
be
a
part
of
okay.
How
are
we
actually
get
this
done
this
year?
So
that's
yeah,
that's
something
that
can
come
back
to
to
the
commission
with
and
I
did
also
want
to
add.
I
know
we
do.
We
have
anything
on.
A
S
Q
A
S
It's
recorded,
so
you
don't.
If
you
just
want
to
learn,
you
can
just
watch
it
later.
A
But
yeah,
if
those
meetings
going
forward
could
be
shifted
to
the
evenings,
that
would
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
happen.
They're
not
executive.
S
A
A
Conversation
with
staff
to
to
see
about
that
because
and
we're
running
to
the
same
thing,
DHS
is
doing
their
strategic
planning
for
homelessness
and
everything
is
during
the
day,
and
it's
just
and
it's
like
a
four-hour
meeting
in
the
middle
of
the
day
is
like.
How
will
you
expect
anyone
in
the
public
to
attend
this?
Who
doesn't
work
for
an
organization
whose
job
it
is
to.
A
You
can't
attend
so
yeah
I
think
that's
a
larger
issue.
V
A
Yeah
I
did
just
want
to
say
one
thing
about
the
missing
middle
meeting
next
week.
So
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
think
anyone
signed
up
for
Ebola
comment
yet.
V
A
K
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what,
but
it
it
will
be.
They
haven't
really
presented
the
whole
item
before
the
commission
and
over
a
year,
if,
if
at
all,
so
it
will
be
the
whole
team
there,
there
will
be
three
or
four
staff
members
and
if
you
have
questions
about
any
of
the
options.
A
V
A
I
would
encourage
people
to
try
to
try
to
do
your
homework
for
that
meeting.
Yes,
you
can
come
having
read
through
what
the
options
are
and
having
some
ideas
about
what
we,
because
we
don't
want
to
spend
four
or
five
hours,
trying
to
come
up
and
go
through.
You
know
which
of
the
options.
Do
we
support,
so
people
can
come
as
prepared
as
possible.
Yeah.
D
A
Would
be
helpful
and
I
did
just
want
to
add
to
you
that
I
had
sent
an
email
after
the
County
board.
Meeting
on
Missy
middle
to
Matt
are
kind
of
liaison,
expressing
my
deep
disappointment
and
surprised
that
they
took
seven
and
eight
plexes
off
the
table
during.
S
A
Did
multiple
conversations
with
Matt
leading
up
to
that
that
meeting
about
when
the
Housing
Commission
should
weigh
in?
And
he
had
said
you
know,
I
I
think
we
have
the
votes
to
advertise
and
we
should
be
good
and
then
I
think
the
Housing
Commission,
if
you
can
weigh
in
in
February
that'd,
be
helpful
and
so
I
told
them
that
you
never
said
anything
about.
A
You
know
making
a
motion
to
take
seven
and
eights
off
the
table
in
the
RTA
before
the
Housing
Commission
had
a
chance
to
actually
weigh
in
the
letter
that
we
sent
in
July
was
very
Broad
and
it
was
just
we're
generally
supported,
Missy
middle,
so
he
and
I
had
a
conversation
on
Friday
and
he
kind
of
owned.
Yes,
I
I
knew
at
that
point
in
my
head.
That
I
was
planning
to
do
that.
Motion
I
didn't
know.
A
D
A
Chance
to
weigh
in
so
he
was
apologetic
for
that
and
I
disagreed
with
the
actions
of
the
board
too.
But
that's
you
know
we'll
talk
about
that
next
week,
but
yeah
I
did
express
my
strong
disappointment
that
the
board
did.
M
A
Give
us
a
chance
to
weigh
in
before
they
made
significant
decisions
like
that,
so
anything
else
before
we
adjourn
for
the
evening.
Thank
you.