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3108 Columbia Pike and the Historic & Cultural Resources Plan Update
A
Recording
okay,
great
and
while
we
win
our
form
to
arrive,
I
will
be
going
through
some
opening
remarks
about
Ryan
debating
this
hybrid
meeting
tonight.
Welcome
everybody
to
the
May
23rd
2023
long-range
planning
committee
meeting
hybrid
meeting.
A
Be
genocide
is
3108
Columbia
Pike
and
the
draft
historic
and
cultural
resources
Plan
update,
we'll
be
holding
this
hybrid
public
meeting,
which
enables
remote
electronic
participation
is
legally
authorized
by
code.
Virginia
current
planning
commissions
of
electronic
meeting
policy
adopted
on
July
7
2012.
A
Actually,
we've
had
both
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
orient
everyone
to
our
hybrid
environment
and
cover
a
few
specifics
about
how
tonight's
meeting
will
be
run.
Members
of
the
public
May
attend
the
meeting
here
in
person
or
electronically
by
using
Microsoft
team
sling,
provided
on
the
lrpc
webpages
on
the
County's
events
calendar
and
on
email
notifications
sent
to
lrpc
email
subscribers.
Additionally,
there
is
a
dial-in
phone
option
for
those
who
wish
to
use
that
planning
commissions
joining
virtually.
If
anyone
loses
internet
connectivity
to
our
tonight's
meeting,
these
reconnect
To
Us
by
phone.
A
Please
keep
your
phones
and
devices
muted
up
to
people
on
turn
off
the
sound
to
any
other
devices
around
you
to
minimize
your
parents
for
our
virtual
attendees
using
Microsoft
teams.
Again,
please
turn
off
your
video
feed
I'll
address
when
it's
appropriate
to
turn
it
back
on
again.
In
a
moment,
the
Microsoft
teams,
meeting
chat
is
active
to
serve
two
purposes,
is
for
participants
who
need
technical
assistance
and
for
other
attendees
to
pose
review,
clarifying
questions
to
a
larger
audience.
Well,
these
will
be
monitored.
A
Those
who
are
planning
to
provide
public
comment
will
still
need
to
do
so
at
the
end
of
at
the
end
of
the
specific
agenda
items
as
the
chat
will
not
serve
as
that
opportunity.
There
will
be
two
periods
for
all
the
comment
at
the
speeding
which
will
follow
after
lrpc
discussion
on
each
agenda
item.
All
the
public
comments
must
be
shared
verbally
for
the
record
during
the
assigned
public
testimony
periods.
A
I'd
also
like
to
remind
everyone
in
the
room
to
speak
up
slowly
and
clearly
and
to
the
microphones
that
are
up
above
here
for
the
ceiling
which
will
allow
the
virtual
participants
to
hear
all
of
us.
In
addition
to
like
sharing
the
screen,
please
request
permission
from
the
lrbc
chair
prior
to
doing
so
for
planning
commissioners,
if
planning
Commissioners
participating
virtually,
we
should
be
recognized
to
speak
on
an
item
during
the
course
of
the
meeting.
Please
turn
your
video
feed
on
and
raise
your
virtual
hand
in
teams
I,
as
well
as
a
staff.
A
Member
of
the
video
feeds
will
be
monitoring
video
feeds
that
are
on
SB
indicator,
who
would
like
to
speak
and
I
apologize
in
advance
if
I
don't
notice
right
away.
So
definitely
keep
that
hand
done
keep
your
face
video
on.
If
you
need
to
jump
in
and
say
something
I'm
ignoring
you
I'm,
not
ignoring
you.
It's
just
saying
look
up
sales.
You
can
do
that
if
you
have
any
admission.
Members
have
joined
us
by
phone
today
or
has
anybody
joined
by
phone.
A
A
It
remembers
of
the
public
would
like
to
provide
feedback
on
and
comments
tonight.
Unlike
the
planning
commission's
regular
meetings,
the
lrpc
agenda
items
are
not
public
hearings.
Therefore,
public
comment
is
that
the
lrpc
chair
discretion
after
the
committee
discussion
has
concluded.
We
will
be
having
an
opportunity
tonight
and
we'll
exercise
that
discretion.
You
will
be
called
on
at
the
end
of
the
lrpc
discussion
to
speak
on
each
of
tonight's
agenda
items
speaking
time
a
lot.
It
will
depend
on
the
number
of
speakers
we
have
this
evening
at
maximum
of
two
minutes.
A
I
will
call
for
speakers
after
each
agenda.
Item
and
I
will
ask
this
to
have
to.
Let
me
know
if
we
have
any
virtual
attendees
Dr,
quite
common
sample
knowledge
speakers
on
the
team's
chat.
Please
indicate
in
the
chat
if
you'd
like
to
provide
comment,
and
your
name
will
be
added
to
the
list
of
speakers.
A
Members
of
the
public
attending
version
will
speak
first,
followed
by
in-person
attendees,
when
virtual
attendees
are
called
upon
to
speak.
You
must
unmute
Yourself
by
clicking
on
the
microphone
icon.
That's
located
in
your
meeting
command
bar
moderator
does
not
have
the
ability
to
abute
you,
but
you
will
be
muted
when
your
time
is
concluded
as
an
alternative
public
comment
is
available
can
be
provided
on.
The
public
comment
form
posted
on
the
lrpc's
web
page
and
lastly,
this
is
a
public
forum.
A
Today's
meeting
will
be
recorded,
is
being
recorded
and
post
will
be
posted
to
the
calendar
website.
All
information
associated
with
today's
meeting,
whether
written
or
spoken,
is
subject
to
the
Freedom
of
Information
requirements
and
with
that
with
the
preliminaries
are
out
of
the
way
we
are
still
waiting
for
one
more
commissioner,
but
while
we're
here,
we
can
go
around
and
introduce
ourselves.
That's
not
particularly
substantive,
so
I'm,
Jim,
lantelmi
and
I'm
chairing
this
lrp
tonight.
B
A
And
online
we
have
people,
we
could
start
off
with
commissioner.
H
Daniel
Weir
Planning
Commission.
Thank
you.
A
And
we
have
one
more
person
in
person
who's
walked
in,
that
is,
we
are
starting
from
the
Planning
Commission.
Thank
you,
commissionerlin
with
that.
We
now
have
a
quorum
and
we
can
start
with
and
we
reintroduct
this
out
of
the
way.
So
why
don't?
We
start
with
the
presentation
3108
Columbia
month
this
jaggery,
the.
C
Thank
you
good
evening,
members
of
the
lrpc,
my
name
is
Anita
choudary,
with
the
Department
of
Community,
Housing,
Development
and
I'm.
Here
with.
B
C
This
evening,
staff
will
provide
a
joint
presentation
for
3108
Columbia
Pike,
which
will
consist
of
the
site
overview
and
background
this
project,
followed
by
the
general
land
use
plan,
Amendment
and
re-zone
requests
that
are
anticipated
to
be
heard
after
June.
Commission
I
would
also
like
to
note
that
this
will
be
an
informational.
G
Its
intent
is
to
use
that
property
to
relocate
the
Columbia,
Pike
Branch
library,
from
the
Arlington
career
center
to
the
new
property.
Now
this
is
identifying
the
cap
to
be
relocated
starting
fiscal
year
2028..
Therefore,
in
the
interim
time
there
can
be
another
use
for
the
property
now
during
this
time.
The
Arlington
career
center
will
also
be
redeveloping
the
property
and
will
need
overflow
parking
for
construction
workers
and
staff.
G
G
Now,
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
this
intramuse
will
look
like,
there's
a
three
-step
process.
The
first
step
would
be
to
demo
the
existing
three-story
building.
Now
this
would
help
with
the
interim
use
and
what
the
future
use
as
well.
Second
Step
would
be
to
expand
the
parking
from
the
existing
63
parking
spaces
to
92
parking
spaces.
And
thirdly,
we
would
release
the
property
to
Arlington
public
Arlington
public
schools
for
them
to
use
this
overflow
parking.
G
Now
on
the
screen,
we
have
two
different
drawings.
One
of
them
is
of
the
existing
site
in
this
current
condition,
and
the
second
one
is
of
the
proposed
intro
means.
Now.
If
we
look
at
the
existing
plan
on
the
North
side,
you'll
see
Columbia
Pike
and
there's
two
entryways
from
Columbia
Pike
to
the
property,
so
one
of
the
entryways
is
she's.
Actually
some
entryway
and
the
other
one
is
one
way
in
and
one
way
out,
there's
also
a
three-story
building
towards
the
north
part
of
the
property
and
towards
the
South
you'll,
see
63
parking
spaces.
G
Now,
on
the
proposed
side
again,
Columbia
Pike
is
to
the
north
of
the
property
and
we'll
be
keeping
the
two
entryways
into
the
property,
as
is
one
of
them
again
for
entry
and
the
other
one
for
exiting,
and
they
will
continue
to
be
one
way
in
one
way
out:
we'll
also
provide
control
access
to
the
property
and
then
along
Columbia
Pike.
There
is
proposed
vegetative
strip
and
Ada
parking
spaces
as
well.
G
Now
the
remainder
of
the
site
will
expand
from
the
existing
63
parking
spaces
to
92
parking
spaces.
Along
with
this,
we'll
relocate
and
add
lighting
as
needed.
We
still
are
undergoing
a
lighting
study
to
clearly
identify
where
the
light
will
need
to
be
placed
and
we're
also
attempting
to
keep
all
the
existing
trees
on
the
site
and
add
additional
landscape
as
necessary.
G
Now
that
we've
talked
about
the
interviews
want
to
talk
about
what
the
future
use
will
look
like
the
intent
is
to
relocate
Columbia,
Pike
Library,
and
it's
identifying
the
cap
to
start
in
fiscal
year.
2028.,
along
with
that,
there's
also
the
possibility
of
mixed-use
development
for
County
Board
priorities
such
as
affordable
housing
now,
prior
to
the
design
and
construction
of
this
future
use.
Community
engagement
for
the
long-term
Mission,
full
commence
and
now
I'm,
passing
back
to
Anika.
C
Thank
you
Valerie.
So
in
terms
of
the
club,
Amendment
and
rezoning,
the
requests
are
as
follows:
in
order
to
facilitate
the
creation
of
a
publicly
owned
parking
lot
at
3108,
Columbia
Pike,
and
support
the
short-term
and
long-term
vision
for
the
area.
This
is
a
request
for
a
general
land
use
plan
Amendment
to
the
public
facility
map
and
table
to
identify
this
site
for
a
proposed
publicly
owned
parking
lot
as
a
feature
shown
in
the
County's
comprehens
and
a
free
zoning
from
R5
due
to
s3a.
C
C
The
current
Club
designation
for
the
site
is
service
commercial
and
is
within
the
Columbia
Pike
special
revitalization
district
under
public.
The
proposed
interviews
of
the
property
as
a
publicly
owned
parking
lot
prior
to
its
long-term
future
use
as
a
new
Columbia
Pike
Library
is
consistent
with
us.
However,
given
the
county
ownership
of
the
parcel
and
the
County's
intention
to
provide
interim
parking
serving
the
aps
career
center
campus
during
its
free
development,
a
club
amendment
to
amend
public
facility
map
and
Associated
table,
do
you
identify
this
site
as
a
publicly
owned
parking
lot?
C
In
addition,
the
final
details
of
the
long-term
user
vision
for
the
site
will
be
further
determined
through
a
separate
Community
engagement
process
with
potential
for
additional
changes
to
people
up
public
facility
map
and
table,
as
well
as
the
zoning
Purdue
subject
site
to
support
the
future
uses.
This
future
public
facility
at
this
location
would
not
conflict
the
before-based
code
guidance
for
this
site,
which
is
for
mixed
use,
development
up
to
six
stories.
So,
therefore,
a
public
facility
could
be
part
of
a
makes
develop
into
teachers.
C
In
addition
to
the
proposed
Club
Amendment,
an
Associated
rezoning
is
proposed
to
reclassify
the
site
from
R5
and
C2
to
s3a.
In
accordance
with
these
zoning
coordinates.
The
existing
C2
District
requires
a
special
use.
Permit
proposed
parking
commercial
parking
fees
and
the
existing
R5
District
does
not
allow
personality.
C
A
rezoning
is
requested
to
facilitate
creation
of
a
parking
lot
for
APS
staff
and
contractors
during
the
career
center
construct.
As
the
s3a
district
is
an
appropriate
District,
it
will
probably
be
near-term
objectives
for
a
county-owned
operated
surface
parking
area
which
may
become
available
for
public
use
once
the
career
center
needs
are
met.
C
In
addition,
while
the
s3a
district
has
multiple
functions
both
for
Parkland
and
public
facilities,
including
schools
and
libraries,
it
can
also
support
a
publicly
owned
parking
lot,
which
is
allowed
via
a
use
permit
thus
conducive
once
the
Future
Vision
of
the
site
is
established,
the
s3a
district
will
be
evaluated
and
convert
as
the
preferred
zoning
and
the
war
base
code.
Redevelopment
is
possible
with
S3
zoning.
C
C
As
shown
here.
The
Columbia
Pike
special
revitalization
war
base
code
identifies
the
site
on
the
Town
Center
regulating
plan
as
a
combination
of
Main
Street
and
bread
and
local
and
blue
Greenwich
types.
When
we
think
about
Redevelopment
under
the
form-based
code,
the
Town
Center
regulating
plan
calls
for
mixed
use
of
two
series
transitioning
down
to
four
stories,
as
we
come
South
to
Future,
11th,
Street
and
realignment
of
South
Highland
Street
next
to
the
site
between
11th,
Street
and
Columbia,
which
will
shift
West
sure
these
are
all
factors
that
will
go
into
the
planning.
C
C
A
Thank
you.
This
is
now
before
the
the
committee
discussion,
because
I'm
I
would
like
to
get
off
but
privilege
of
shares,
privilege
of
asking
questions.
We
mentioned
this
part
of
the
meeting,
but
the
building
is
in
fact
there's
no
tenant
in
it
right
now.
It's
not
being
used
so.
C
A
You
it
is
being
used
for
parking
right
now,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
but
that's
even
formally
by
the
neighborhood
and
other
people
up
up
down
the
card.
That's
correct!
Okay,
in
the
plan
that
you
push
forward
talking
about
essentially
keeping
the
way
it's
being
done
now,
just
tearing
down
the
building
and
replacing
that
parking.
A
A
But
I
think
it'd
be
worth
exploring,
because
one
wider
curve
cut
is
better
than
two
not
too
far
away
from
each
other,
so
I
would
recommend.
I
personally
would
recommend
that
that
be
exported.
It
shouldn't
be
that
expensive
to
do
or
to
happen.
B
D
I,
you
know
whether
or
not
you
want
to
explore
that
now.
I
think
it'd
be
useful
just
to
get
that
on
the
table
to
explore
for
the
final
development.
We've
heard
that
a
lot
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
reducing
the
number
of
group
Cuts
is
safer
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
Thank.
A
D
B
D
This
interim
stage,
then
my
next
two
and
last
question
sort
of
focus
on
is
there
anything
that
we're
doing
now,
this
interim
stage
that
would
preclude
doing
something,
that's
planned
for
the
long
term
and
you
could
like
Paving
over
more
a
bit.
You
know
anything
that
we
have
to
undo
to
make
the
library
there.
G
D
That's
helpful
and
you
said:
s3a
works
with
the
form-based
code.
That's
correct,
okay
and
then
the
last
thing
is
I
know.
There's
reference
to
a
forthcoming
Community
engagement
process
is
being
all
involved.
Now,
even
with
this
interim
design,
we.
G
F
Did
I
miss
a
meeting,
or
is
this
the
first
meeting
that
person
okay,
so
have
several
layers
of
questions?
So
the
first
question
is:
why
are
we
tearing
down
the
building
the.
G
Existing
melting
doesn't
have
functions
for
the
county
and
hello.
It's
not
currently
available.
A
lot
of
things
have
to
be
upgraded.
There's
asbestos
in
evolving
there's
just
different
things
that
the
best
way
to
deal
with
it
is
to
tear
it
down.
It
can
be
developed
instead
of
having
the
building
reused
for
another.
F
Okay,
but
none
of
those
are
new
right,
like
existing
buildings,
are
existing
buildings
and
that's
what
they
have.
They
have
these
old
things.
They
have
subpart
design,
that's
fundamentally
what
they
are,
but
the
embodied
energy
in
this
building,
it's
probably
I'm
guessing,
is
steel
and
concrete
structure.
F
You
know,
that's
a
big
deal
to
tear
it
down
right,
let
alone
what's
already
there
so,
and
we
really
urge
staff
to
look
at
these
structures
and
think
yeah.
It's
not
as
sexy
to
start
with
the
table.
La
Raza,
but
you
know
it's
also
kind
of
fun.
You
know
if
you
approach
it
with
a
little
bit
of
a
let's
have
a
good
time
with
this
and
kind
of
tackle
it.
F
G
So
there
was
a
study
conducted
to
analyze.
What
would
be
the
most
cost
effective
and
it
was
decided
that
tearing
it
down
would
be
one
way,
but
one
the
building
is
torn
down
about
80
percent
of
the
material
are
actually
recycled.
All
the
concrete
and
steel
the
skin
recycled,
to
bring
that
perspective,
trying
to
be
as
environmentally.
F
It's
great
to
hear
that's
excellent!
Thank
you
yeah!
So
again,
that's
why
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
studies
that
sort
of
looked
at
the
building
you
know
and
sort
of
what
options
were
all
right
so
level
two,
so
you've
torn
down
the
building.
You've
moved
everything.
Why
pay
that
right?
Not
just
leave
the
dirt
put
a
bunch
of
plants
in
there.
You
know
not
expensive
trees
or
anything,
but
just
create
a
rain
Garden
you
know
effect
and
then
do
a
curving
around
it.
F
I
mean
we're
sort
of
scheduling,
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
pave
it
and
resurface
it
and
all
this
other
stuff.
Why
don't
we
instead
of
resurfacing
it?
We
put
the
money
into
being
it.
You
know
and
again
embodied
energy
cost
construction.
You
know,
and
then
the
recyclable
and
reducing
of
plants
is
fairly
straightforward.
G
F
Okay,
yeah
with
that
again
I
wish.
We
had
a
way
to
preserve
the
structure.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
that
works.
Department
thinks.
E
The
value
is
I'm
guessing,
not
very
valuable
structure.
Work
analysis
goes,
we
haven't,
got
a
walk
through
being
honest.
We
would
love
the
opportunity
to
do
that
and
collaborate
with
GPS
for
certain
design
elements,
because.
F
It
is
a
cute
little
building,
you
know
and
it
does
sort
of
have
an
era
sort
of
aesthetic
to
it,
and
it's
not
the
worst
building,
I've
ever
seen
actually
kind
of
looks
a
little
bit
yeah.
So
I
think
those
are
my
comments,
I
think
yeah.
The
curb
commissioner
tell
me
mentioned
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing,
but
yeah
I
would
love
to
see.
You
know.
F
B
F
Excellent
all
right!
Well,
thanks,
it
seems,
like
you
guys,
did
your
homework,
so
I
appreciate
that
very
much
again.
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
take
a
second
I
can
look
at
keeping
this
elements
of
the
structure
that
could
potentially
be
reuse
and
the
libraries
go
in
there.
So
that's
kind
of
cool,
so
can't
wait
to
see
that
that
comes
for
look
at
some
fun
thanks.
Sorry,
commissioner,.
A
H
How
are
you
good
evening,
good
evening?
Everyone
I
want
to
my
column
I'm,
going
to
share
I
I.
Don't
really
have
any
comments
on
that
that
haven't
been
shared
or
or
aren't
going
to
be
shared
in
a
moment,
but
I
will
share
the
some
of
the
highlights
from
the
from
the
from
the
hog
meeting.
H
I
think
that
one
of
the
biggest
highlights
has
already
been
covered
and
that's
the
the
consolidation
of
the
curb
Cuts.
There
was
a
really
strong
interest
in
seeing
the
curb
Cuts,
Consolidated
I.
Think
the
the
across
the
board
agreement
with
commissioner
tell
me
that
one,
a
double-sized
curb
cut
is
going
to
be
in
nearly
all
instances
preferable
to
to
two
single-sized
curb
Cuts
I
think
related.
H
There
was
a
very
significant
concern
just
about
anyone
who
said
anything
raised
this
this
concern
or
agree
with
that
that
the
the
OG
has
been
very
insistent
that
anytime,
any
applicant
touches
a
sidewalk
that
the
sidewalk
be
at
the
end
of
the
project
have
been
brought
up
to
to
form-based
code
spec
and
that
if
there
is
any
daylight
between
the
form-based
code,
spec
for
the
sidewalk
and
and
and
the
existing
condition
it
has
been.
H
It
has
been
subject
to
the
multimodal
project,
but
that
does
not
mean
the
that
it
meets
that
it
meets
form-based
codes
back
in
so
far
as
there
was
an
existing
building
there
and
building
lines.
So
you
know
I
I,
don't
know
if,
if
there
is,
if
there
is
daylight
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
there
is
I
think
there
was.
H
There
was
a
number
of
people
at
odd
who
thought
that
it
was
too
narrow
that
it
was
two
feet
too
narrow
and
that
it
would
need
to
be
expanded
at
this
point,
rather
than
waiting
for
future
work
that
that
may
or
may
not
be
done
as
projected
in
the
CIP
for
2028
or
2026.
I.
H
H
There
was
a
really
strong
sense
from
the
odd
that
that
any
use
permit
include
a
condition
or
or
some
other
shell
type
statement,
that
the
location
become
a
library
and
I
think
that
there
was
consistent
suspicion
that
it
merely
being
included
in
the
aps-cip
was
was
sufficient
or
satisfactory,
especially
since
the
alternative
would
be
likely
that
it
remains
a
a
parking
lot.
For
you
know
the
indefinite
future
should
should
the
CIP
not
move
forward
as
planned.
H
There
was
concern
that
nothing
be
done
in
this
layout
that
would
foreclose
upon
progress
on
11th,
Street,
11th
Street.
The
that
that
11th
Street
between
between
Glebe
and
Highland
is
a
critical
portion
of
the
master
Transportation
plan
and
the
and
the
and
the
Columbia
Pike
form-based
code
and
and
basically
no
you
know,
the
county
cannot
be
in
a
position
of
allowing
development
to
proceed
in
a
way
that
that
entertains
the
possibility
of
foreclosing
upon
the
Deliverance
of
11th
Street,
especially
especially
when
that
property
is,
is
publicly
owned.
H
As
county-owned,
then
the
there
was
concern
that
the
no
parking
portions
of
the
parking
lot
in
the
South
East
Corner
the
that
that
they
should
not
remain
paved
if
they
are,
if
they
are
in
fact,
going
to
be
blocked
off
as
as
no
parking
that
some
use
is,
is
going
to
be
preferable
to
to.
Even
if
it's
just
you
know,
mulch
is
going
to
be
preferable
to
to
unavailable
no
parking.
H
You
know
paved
spots
and
then
there
was
a
concern
about
the
preservation
of
existing
trees
along
the
southernmost
portion
of
the
of
the
area,
especially
in
light
of
the
fact
that
work
will
need
to
be
done
on
the
wall
that
separates
the
southern.
For
the
wall
that
separates
the
the
southern
part
of
the
property
from
Maxima
Village
will
need
to
be
rebuilt.
I
believe
that
that
is
everything
but
I'm
I
am
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Should
there
should
there
be
anything.
Thank.
H
A
Okay,
I
will
note
the
record
that
commissioner
Steinberger
has
joined
us
remotely,
so
we
have
one
more
commissioner
here.
Wrapping
this
up.
I
do
also
want
to
raise.
This
is
more
for
the
zoning
going
forward.
First,
I
I
agree
with
the
augs
concerns
about
this
eventually
use,
in
fact,
being
a
library
which
I
think
has.
B
B
A
Site
and
move
it
onto
Columbia
Pike,
it's
a
great
planning
food.
It
would
be
wonderful
for
this
community
and
for
the
Redevelopment
Columbia
Pike,
but
it
has
to
happen
I'm
a
little
Disturbed
that
we
don't
have
any
plans
right
now
to
start
the
community
process
to
what
this
this
property
will
be
after
the
interim
use
is
done.
It
takes
a
long
time
to
go
to
the
community
processes.
A
The
career
center
has
been
10
years
now.
We
should
really
be
starting
now,
the
average
the
community
as
to
what
can
happen
here
to
lock
in
the
library
and
see
what
other
uses
are
there?
The
question
for
staff
if
it
does
end
up
being
as
one
of
the
possible
options,
affordable
housing
on
this
site
does
Esther
create
zoning.
Allow
that.
A
B
G
D
G
D
I
Yeah
hi
good
evening,
it
may
have
been
a
little
hard
to
hear
I
think
the
question
was:
could
we
accommodate
housing
with
the
s3a
zoning?
Did
I
hear
that
question
correct,
yes,
correct,
correct
s3a
does
not
allow
housing
but
the,
but
we
can
complete
or
construct
a
mixed-use
development
under
form-based
code,
which
would
allow
housing
with
the
underlying
zoning
of
s3a.
So
we
would
have
to
be
doing
that
with
the
form-based
code.
It's
not
an
allowable
use
just
with
s3a,
as
as
the
only
zoning
mechanism,
but.
A
A
Do
we
have
any
other
comments
or
questions?
Quick
follow-up
questions
yeah
sure
are.
A
Not
I
didn't
hear
that
right,
don't
we
just
confirmed
it
that
it
is
okay,
do
we
have
any
public
speakers
on
this?
We
have
one
public
speaker
great.
Will
that
be.
A
Mr
Shulman:
are
you
ready
to
speak
for
two
minutes?
Yes,
but
just
hold
on
not
quite
yet.
K
Yeah
I
I
shouldn't
need
a
full
two
minutes.
I
just
want
to
agree
with
everything
I
heard
from
commissioner
sarley
about
this
project.
K
I'm
an
architect
and
I
am
all
in
favor
of
adaptive,
reuse
and
I
I
actually
find
it
disturbing
that
it
that
there
would
be
a
proposal
to
tear
down
a
three-story
building
when
the
final
use
ultimate
use
of
the
project
is
not
yet
determined
and
and
I
I
think
preserving
an
existing
structure,
maybe
not
the
whole
building,
but
the
structure
of
the
building
until
that
final
use
is
determined,
is
important,
because
just
providing
some
additional
parking
spaces
does
not
in
any
way
match
the
value
that
is
embodied
in
in
that
building
for
climate
purposes,
if
nothing
else
and
and
and
and
so
that
that
while
I
do
understand
the
need
for
extra
parking,
it's
outrageous
to
me
that
that
that
not
only
would
would
the
Arlington
County
government
have
to
have
to
lease
land
to
APS,
but
they'd
be
providing
parking
for
construction
purpose.
K
That's
a
private
matter,
and,
and
so
this
is
really
really
backwards.
Planning
and
I
urge
you
to
consider
otherwise.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
A
And
then
the
County
Board,
okay,
thank
you
with
that.
I
think
we
can
close
3108
item
and
move
on
to
our
second
agenda
item
historical
resources.
Plan
update
that
draft.
A
You
have
a
staff,
presentation
and
I
can
turn
it
over
to
you
introduce
yourselves
again
and
you
have
you
have
the
Forum.
Thank
you.
E
E
The
original
plan
was
an
element
continues
to
be
an
element
of
the
County's
comprehensive
plan
and
that
was
approved
by
the
County
Board
back
in
2006..
So
the
version
we
will
be
discussing
this
evening
marks
the
first
update
to
that
original
plan,
and
if
it's
okay
with
chairman,
tell
me,
we
would
prefer
to
allow
Commissioners
to
ask
questions
throughout
the
presentation
and
we
can
still
save
time
towards
the
end.
Or
would
you
rather,
we
say
that
we
should
get
into
tomorrow,
but
okay.
B
E
We
release
the
current
draft
plan
for
public
review
and
comment
in
mid-april
of
this
year.
As
you
can
see
in
the
right
column,
we
are
in
the
midst
of
our
public
engagement
through
the
spring
and
this
summer
we
already
have
attended
eight
pop-up
events
and
hosted
a
community
open
house.
We
have
several
more
pop-ups
planned
throughout
the
spring
and
summer.
E
Our
online
feedback
questionnaire
is
now
active
and
if
you
have
not
filled
it
out
yet
you
should
definitely
do
that.
After
this
meeting,
we
would
welcome
all
of
your
feedback
on
that
online
questionnaire
and,
as
part
of
our
engagement,
we
also
will
be
releasing
an
exciting
digital
content,
including
an
interactive
story
map
about
the
plan,
as
well
as
additional
videos
and
our
cultural
heritage.
E
Spotlight
series
later
in
the
year,
we
expect
to
bring
a
revised
plan
draft
through
some
County
Commission
reviews,
including
a
return
visit
to
the
historical
Affairs
of
landmark
Landmark
review
board,
plus
presentations
to
the
full
Planning
Commission
and
the
County
Board.
We
anticipate
bringing
the
new
plan
to
the
county
board
for
adoption.
This
fall
a
separate
implementation
framework
document
is
also
in
progress
and
will
be
finalized
with
the
county
manager's
office
after
plan
adoption.
E
Our
next
slide
is
our
fancier
version
of
our
timeline
that
shows
the
various
types
of
Engagement
and
the
levels
of
Engagement
that
we've
done,
and
so
this
is
here
to
reiterate
a
lot
of
the
work
that
has
already
happened
to
date.
So
next
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Lauren
to
talk
about
some
of
the
accomplishments.
D
Since
the
original
plan
and
I'll
just
reintroduce
myself
again,
I'm
more
in
Paris
with
principal
preservation
plan
with
the
historic
preservation
program
so
before
we
could
begin
to
develop
our
plan
for
the
next
decade,
we
need
you
to
better
understand
what
we
did
well
and
what
were
our
accomplishments.
So
the
original
plan
from
2006
had
three
goals:
to
enhance
the
understanding
of
prioritizens
history
and
historic
character,
to
better
integrate
preservation,
values
into
County,
Planning,
land
use
and
other
policies
and
practices,
and
to
protect
historic,
neighborhoods
corridors,
commercial,
centers
and
Pacific
buildings.
D
D
Historic
research
and
developed
Publications,
focusing
on
Arlington
Heritage,
such
as
the
Vietnamese
and
African-American
Heritage,
our
county-wide
architectural
survey
results
in
the
documentation
of
more
than
19
000
historic
buildings,
which
helped
contribute
historic,
neighborhoods
and
individual
buildings
to
be
listed
on
the
national
register
for
historic
places.
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
our
historic
resources
inventory
the
HRI.
This
was
one
of
our
major
goals
of
the
original
plan
that
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
2011..
Cynthia
will
be
talking
about
that
in
a
couple
slides
from
here.
D
E
So
as
part
of
the
planning
process,
we
also
did
a
hard
look
at
what
did
not
get
accomplished
after
the
original
plan
and
why
so?
An
ongoing
challenge
for
us
has
been
a
lack
of
sufficient
programmatic
resources,
both
in
terms
of
funding
for
our
program
to
undertake
major
projects,
as
well
as
our
small
team's
bandwidth,
to
undertake
additional
work
items
in
recent
years,
especially
there
have
been
emergent
issues
that
have
Arisen
that
required
our
immediate
attention
and
often
longer
term
shifts
away
from
other
programmatic
priorities.
E
E
Funding
program
among
a
few
others,
our
staff
has
been
in
a
continual
reactive
State,
rather
than
focusing
on
proactive
work.
Often
our
our
objectives-
around
Outreach
and
education,
fell
to
the
bottom
of
our
to-do
list,
since
they
lack
specific
time
frames
and
we're
not
regulatory
functions
of
our
program.
E
D
D
D
Racial
Equity
as
a
county-wide
priority,
this
formula
committed
commitment,
this
formal
commitment
to
enhance
equity
and
access
for
all
residents,
help
guide
this
plan,
which
provides
recommendations
to
preserve
and
interpret
an
inclusive
collection
of
histories
and
resources
for
future
Generations.
D
We
also
wanted
this
plan
to
acknowledge
that
many
county
communities
have
seen
changes
in
Alteration
that
traditional
preservation
has
made
you
as
Unworthy
of
protection.
The
historic
preservation
program
recognizes
that
the
built
environmental
loans
does
not
serve
as
a
comprehensive
expression
of
the
community.
We
developed
Equity
aspirations
for
each
goal.
Statement
in
the
plan
describing
how
these
achievements
could
Advance
inclusion,
diversity,
equity
and
or
accessibility.
The
county
also
considered
how
we
use
language.
D
We
wanted
language
that
is
inclusive
and
enables
all
residents
to
see
themselves
in
this
plan
that
it
puts
people
and
their
identities
first,
and
that
demonstrates
everyone
who
lives
in
Arlington
is
part
of
its
history.
A
major
shift
in
terms
of
the
use
of
language
is
even
in
the
title
of
this
document.
Original
plan
was
the
historic
preservation
master
plan,
as
the
term
Masters
in
this
context
refers
to
a
feature
that
is
Superior
or
directive.
We
saw
this
as
a
problematic
language.
D
E
E
The
focus
area
of
community
engagement
has
two
main
goals,
which
are
really
fundamental:
first,
to
increase,
understanding
of
and
support
for,
Arlington's
history
in
general,
as
well
as
its
people
and
its
places.
We
will
aim
to
do
this
by
celebrating
diversity
in
people
and
place
and
conducting
more
targeted,
proactive
Outreach
recommendations
to
increase
Community
engagement.
Efforts
include
included
posting
one
Outreach
effort
on
a
quarterly
basis,
creating
an
annual
annual
report
to
track
preservation,
successes
and
losses
and
expanding
our
program's
digital
newsletter.
J
D
For
redevelopment
are
flight
program,
our
reserved
preservation
program
wants
to
want
State
incentives
that
could
be
Financial
benefits
or
tangible
benefits
like
streamlining,
permitting
and
Zoning
for
presentation
activity,
you
want
to
recognize
those
already
preserving
arlingtons
preservations
with
historic
markers,
plaques
and
words.
Financial
incentives
could
include
growing
historic
preservation
fund,
possibly
through
an
endowment
of
County
funds
and
or
ongoing
dedicated
Revenue
sources.
D
We
want
to
explore
providing
other
Financial
tools
like
establishing
a
local
tax
abatement
program,
I'd
like
to
offer
flexible
zoning
standards
for
historic
buildings
undergoing
Rehabilitation
or
adaptive.
Reviews
I
would
love
to
establish
a
menu
of
County,
provided
benefits
available
to
owners
of
lhds
and
easement
historic
Properties,
or
even
for
historic
properties
under
site
plan
or
development
review.
Having
Financial
incentives
like
these
could
balance
change
by
incentivizing
preservation
methods
as
part
of
development
and.
E
So
our
next
Focus
area
is
Partnerships,
and
with
this
we
have
three
main
goals.
Firstly,
we
want
to
better
Define
how
historic
preservation
is
included
in
other
County
Planning
efforts
and
reviews.
This
will
this
will
require
us
to
develop
proactive,
constructive
and
consistent
Partnerships
with
other
County
functions
for
consistency.
It
also
will
be
important
to
include
historic
preservation
as
a
standard
component
of
all
sector
plans,
area
plans,
long-range
plans
and
county-wide
planning
studies.
The
second
partnership
goal
includes
integrating
historic
preservation
with
priority.
County
live
initiatives.
E
To
do
so,
we
need
to
strengthen
our
existing
partnership
between
affordable
housing
and
historic
preservation.
We
need
to
provide
better
technical
support
for
retrofitting
historic
properties
for
improved
Energy
Efficiency,
and
we
also
need
to
better
support
the
role
of
trees,
vegetation
and
landscape
design
in
our
historic
neighborhoods
and
landscapes.
C
E
Good
example
of
an
ongoing
area
of
concern
regarding
cultural
landscapes,
we
need
to
consider
developing
recommendations
for
ongoing
maintenance
of
these
sites
and
development
issues
at
both
cemeteries
and
burial
grounds.
We
also
need
to
increase
our
Partnerships
to
better
understand,
interpret
and
preserve
the
physical,
historic
resources
and
cultural
meaning
of
County
Parks
and
other
County
public
spaces.
D
So
key
area
the
plan
focuses
on
is
regulation,
and
we
do
this
in
four
important
goals.
Over
the
years,
the
local
historic
district
education
process
has
affected
many
significant
historic,
historic,
but
recently
there
have
been
a
few
high-profile,
designation
requests
could
not
be
completed
before,
unfortunately,
the
historic
properties.
Furthermore,
in
Virginia.
L
B
D
Advisory
roles
for
the
appointed
preservation
commission
members,
which
in
Arlington
is
the
hlrb
and
then
placing
the
final
designation
decisions
with
the
elected
officials.
Legal
structure
can
result
in
differences,
opinions
between
the
County
Board
and
the
halr
B.
Our
first
regulation
goal
is
to
assess
and
improve
the
lhd
designation
process,
strengthening
the
alignment
between
the
hlrb
recommendations
and
County
Board
decisions.
Further.
We
think
it
is
important
to
ensure
that
designation
decisions
utilize
the
legal
requirements
included
in
the
state
enabling
legislation
or
Arlington
County
so
important.
D
D
Our
second
regulation
goal
is
to
protect
historic
places
with
meaning
Beyond
architecture
and
places
that
are
neither
a
single
building
nor
a
complete
large
neighborhood,
but
rather
an
in-between
size.
Another
option
could
be
establishing
micro
districts,
which
would
be
modestly
sized
lhds.
We
find
that
the
maywoods
of
Arlington
probably
not
going
to
happen
too
long,
so
we're
hoping
to
see
full
instead
of
whole
neighborhoods
that
we
might
be
able
to
designate
smart
small
areas
as
local
historic
districts.
D
Maybe
it's
just
streets
to
concept
neighborhoods
that
could
receive
designation,
and
maybe
they
would
have
a
tripling
effect
to
protect
large
receptions.
We
want
to
study
the
creation
of
a
new
tool
like
the
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
Heritage
District.
This
would
focus
more
on
scale,
maybe
even
Rhythm
or
layout
of
the
buildings,
maybe
broad
materials
and
other
features.
D
D
The
application
of
historic
preservation
tools
to
the
highest
risk
and
least
protected
resources
such
as
culturally
significant
historic
Properties
or
archaeological
resources.
Speaking
of
archaeological
resources,
our
fourth
goal
is
to
establish
an
archeology
program
for
Arlington.
This
would
include
developing
and
adopting
an
archaeological
ordinance
and
Archeology
plan
and
developing
an
archaeological
review
process
for
projects
on
County.
E
Property
and
lastly,
the
focus
area
for
technology,
information
and
tools
has
two
main
goals:
one
for
the
historic
resources
inventory
or
the
HRI
and
the
other
regarding
our
historic
preservation
systems
in
general.
So
the
HRI
has
been
used
as
a
planning
tool
now
for
more
than
a
decade
by
staff,
by
County
leadership
as
well
as
property
owners,
and
in
in
this
use
we
acknowledge
the
need
to
expand
and
improve
the
usability
of
the
HRI,
and
we
hope
to
accomplish
this
in
several
ways.
E
First,
we
see
the
need
to
make
corrections
to
the
first
phase
of
the
HRI
which,
as
you
might
know,
include
historic
Garden,
Apartments
commercial
buildings
as
well
as
shopping
centers.
Edits
are
needed
to
clarify
property
names,
addresses
and
construction
dates.
Some
properties
have
even
been
protected
through
easements
While
others,
unfortunately
have
been
demolished.
So
a
general
cleanup
of
the
content
in
the
existing
list
is
desperately
needed.
Ultimately,
the
detailed
property
information
needs
to
be
as
accurate
and
current
as
possible
to
really
strengthen
the
HRI
as
a
useful
tool.
E
The
HRI
likewise
would
benefit
from
having
clearer
policy
requirements
for
HRI
ranked
properties.
Although
the
County
Board
adopted
goals
and
policy
objectives
for
the
HRI
in
2011.,
how
those
have
been
applied
has
varied
over
the
past
decade,
Plus,
the
HRI
would
have
more
credibility
as
a
planning
tool.
If
the
different
ranking
categories
could
be
better
defined
and
if
there
are
clearer
expectations
as
to
what
preservation
treatments
are
most
appropriate
for.
B
E
Specific
categories:
in
essence,
the
HRI
really
has
been
one
of
the
most
effective
ways
that
the
county
has
been
able
to
achieve
historic
preservation
since
adoption
of
our
original
plan
in
2006-
and
we've
really
been
able
to
do
this,
particularly
through
the
cycling
review
process,
as
well
as
major
planning
studies.
So
we
recognize
there
is
still
room
for
improvement,
So
speaking
of
improvement,
we
also
need
to
think
through
how
others
are
able
to
access
the
HRI
as
a
tool.
E
We
want
to
be
able
to
provide
GIS
mapping
connectivity,
so
more
County
staff
outside
of
just
the
preservation
program,
could
easily
use
it.
Consideration
also
should
be
given
as
to
how
the
information
in
the
HRI
could
be
made
more
accessible
to
the
general
public
as
an
educational
tool
about
the
County's
buried
architectural
history.
E
Lastly,
there
is
a
need
to
consider
expanding
the
HRI
into
a
second
phase.
There
are
buildings
that
have
now
come
of
age
since
the
approval
of
the
initial
list
in
2011,
and
so
those
would
need
to
be
surveyed
and
rent
there.
There
are
even
some
historic
buildings
that
were
inadvertently
omitted
from
the
original
survey,
so
those
should
be
captured
the
3108
thing
building
being
one
of
those
consideration
also
should
be
given
to
studying
new
historic
resource
types
for
inclusion
such
as
county-owned
buildings,
modern
architecture
and
institutional
buildings
like
community
community,
centers
schools
and
churches.
E
The
HRI
likewise
could
be
improved
by
expanding
its
focus
to
include
cultural
importance,
not
just
architectural
Merit,
so
the
last
school
we'll
discuss
this
evening
deals
with
the
need
to
improve
and
expand
the
County's
historic
preservation,
Information
Systems
in
general.
Our
program
can
be
both
strengthened
or
limited
by
how
effectively
we
share
and
convey
our
information,
both
internally
across
County
departments,
as
well
as
to
the
public.
E
There
are
opportunities
to
expand
our
existing
data
as
well
as
manage
it
better
recommendations
to
expand.
Our
information
would
involve
conducting
additional
architectural
and
cultural
surveys
and
studies,
particularly
for
underrepresented
stories
and
those
places
and
people
previously
not
studied
in
depth.
It
is
also
important
that
our
program
complete
and
ongoing
Heritage
survey
of
African-American
historic
resources
county-wide
not
only
to
formally
document
that
important
history,
but
to
potentially
recognize
and
or
protect
Associated
historic
places
in
terms
of
managing
our
data
better.
We
should
explore
improving
how
we
share
information
about
Arlington
history
and
its
physical
records.
E
The
plan
also
recommends
a
more
formalized
approach
to
managing
historic
resources
county-wide,
including
establishing
an
archival
records
program
within
the
historic
preservation
program.
We
also
need
to
begin
to
study
ongoing
risks
to
Historic
properties
such
as
increasing
climate
change
and
development
pressures,
then
incorporate
this
information
into
our
existing
information.
A
Good
with
the
committee
and
I
will
take
Sheriff's
Department,
a
couple
of
small
things.
Just
I've
been
through
the
prod
equipment,
went
through
the
draft
person.
It's
great
I'm,
really
very,
very
happy
to
see
how
you
pulled
it
through
the
history
of
the
county.
All
the
way
through
that,
and
it's
like
the
history
back
to
Ice
Age
I
mean
that's
great.
You
know,
that's
I
think.
That's
really
well
documented
small
things.
E
I
believe
the
main
section
you're
probably
referring
to
is
within
the
HRI
this
thing
and
that
has
not
been
updated,
but
we
will
make
note
of
that
for
the
next
right.
A
The
the
historic
areas
when
you
have
dates
on
they're,
not
consistent,
they're
off
by
a
year
or
two,
we
use
it
in
different
places,
but
you
know
the
Colonial
area.
The
federal
period
make
sure
those
dates
that
when
you
have
those
dates,
they're
consistent
all
the
way
through
the
where
you're
listening
one
of
the
tables,
where
you're
all
at
the
Pacific
draft
assets
listed
it
has
it
in
Clarendon,
it's
being
protected
by
the
cloud
by
Claritin,
rather
than
the
war
base
code,
went
all
the
way
through
it.
A
Actually
a
lot
of
things
you're
using
like,
for
example,
the
this
is
now
being
now
now
this
is
it
or
today
it
is
don't
use
now
or
today
this,
when
you
put
this
file,
it'll,
probably
be
a
file
like
for
10
years
before
it
gets
redone
again,
things
are
changing
so
rapidly
in
this
County
that
you
have
a
picture
of
something.
It
may
not
be
here,
two
years
from
now
so
use
this
is
as
a
date
subject
or
as
of
the
publication
of
this,
rather
than
just
using
the
word
today,
because
today
is.
A
Not
yesterday,
once
you've
published
it,
it's
no
longer
today,
I
would
love
to
see
you
using
maps
for
that
when
you're
talking
about
neighborhoods,
maybe
the
first
time
have
you
know
the
county
with
highlighted
where,
in
the
county
that
neighborhood
is
there
are
so
many
counties
neighborhoods
that
I'm
still
not
sure
where
some
of
our
neighborhoods
are,
so
it
really
it
helps
anchor.
This
is
this
is
where
it
doesn't
count.
A
That's
where
it
is
I'd
love
to
see
more
maps
like,
for
example,
like
the
fruit
we
used
to
have
trolley
lines
here,
I,
don't
think
anybody
knows
where
those
trolley
lines
actually
went
yet
they
were
really
key
to
how
our
neighborhoods
grew
and
why
they
grew
I'd
love
to
see
a
map
of
what
the
trolling
lines
were,
because
that
really
helped
Direct
Travel
direct
our
growth
when
you
say
that
when
Metrorail
came
through
or
when
Rhodes
came
through
with
that,
that's
where
a
lot
of
growth
went
after
trolleys
and
everything,
but
you
include
ICT
States
in
that
there
was
no
development
by
ice
when
I-66
that
was
built
so
late.
A
That
I,
don't
think,
there's
really
any
development
that
you
can
attribute
to
66,
going
through
definitely
Richmond
Highway
going
through
and
300.
You
know,
surely
Highway
going
through
Arlington
Boulevard
going
through.
They
definitely
spurred
growth,
I'm,
not
sure
66
every
day.
So
look
at
that
more
closely
picture
label
like
a
label.
The
pictures
better,
like
the
slide
you
had
before
this
one.
It
had
two
pictures
and
I
think
I
knew
where
one
of
those
things
was
but
no
idea
where
the
other
is
there's
a
number
of
pictures
and
they're.
A
All
of
course,
on
Arlington
it'd
be
great
to
say
this
is
where
it
is.
You
know,
because
you
go
and
see,
I
know
where
the
weenie
beanie
is,
but.
A
A
A
So
I'm
looking
at
you,
commissioner
Steinberger
have
a
former
member
of
hlr
halrb
anyway,
I,
throw
it
out
to
the
floor.
Any
further
comments.
D
Thank
you
for
meeting
with
us
earlier
so
David,
Hull,
Kelly,
nades
and
I
have
my
Miss
Lisa
stars
and
Miss
Ferris
to
review
this.
You
know
again,
as
planner
I
think
this
beautiful
plan,
it's
quite
an
improvement
from
the
old
one,
and
it's
really
impressive
to
update
something.
That's
almost
20.
L
D
Old,
thank
you
for
adding
in
the
references
to
Nature
by
Ophelia,
given
that
that's
another
really
important
initiative
that.
D
D
Especially
for
the
neighborhoods
people
refer
to
it,
my
neighborhood,
and
yet,
if
you
don't
live
in
that
neighborhood,
you
don't
know
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
these
new
local
historic
districts
and
new
historic
preservation.
Easements.
This,
you
know,
has
come
up
at
times
when
there
are
communities
that
want
to
find
a
way
to
save
what
they
think
is
special
about
their
neighborhood
and
that
gets
some
pushback.
So
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
D
I
really
commend
you
for
trying
to
integrate
this
with
the
other
comp
plan,
priorities
and
priorities,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
is
missed
a
lot
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
these
plans
get
updated
recently
and
that's
pretty
critical
ditto
with
the
Partnerships
and
the
coordination
with
the
other
plans,
the
references
to
the
trees.
You.
D
On
so
it
would
be
nice
to
see
that
tie
together
and
I
think
it's
just
really
brilliant
to
highlight
the
cultural
landscapes
as
well.
You
know
this
classic
tension
of
planning
people
or
place,
and
this
really
does
call
out
people
I
think
also
doing
that
and
the
meeting
of
the
parks
and
the
public
spaces
gets
it,
something
that
sometimes
gets
criticized
about
Arlington
and
that
is
like
where's.
There.
H
D
And
the
place
making
and
keeping
the
historical
references
and
I
think
you've
sort
of
created
with
updating
the
plan
that
conversation
this
new
space,
where
we
can
start
having
that
conversation
like
Leo's
point
about
what
you
know
with
this
building,
is
there
a
way
to
say
part
of
it,
the
shell,
the
facade
and
reference?
What
was
there,
because
we
are
very
good
at
letting
people
come
in
and
keep
redeveloping
and
getting
a
little
bit
more
out
of
their
site.
D
We
want
to
be
responsive
to
the
demand
to
be
here,
but
you
guys
are,
you
know,
I.
You
know
how
much
I
really
think.
This
is
great.
The
way
you've
outlined
this
as
a
way
to
sort
of
acknowledge
all
of
that
but
sort
of
a
representative
of
where
we
are
with
regard
to
things
like
making
the
HRI
updated.
D
Js
mapping,
as
a
professor
I
just
have
to
say,
do
you
ever
think
about
taking
interns
for
this
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
students
who
would
love
to
get
a
couple
of
months
experience
working
with
professionals
and
if
they
had
a
discrete
task
like
that,
they
could
do
it
and
then
my
last
question
the
house,
when
you
have
the
slide
up
for
plan
accomplishments
with
the
angel
on
it
and
the
glass
block
I
know
exactly
where
that
is.
What
is
that
house?
What
was
the
background
on
that
house?
D
A
Darth
Vader
is
it
like
it's
the
modern
dark
house
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street
and
it
backs
up
to
the
park
and
well
now
we
need
to
go
look
at
the
other
thing.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
get
to
this
house.
D
D
Because
I
looked
at
it
without
the
background
there
without
having
Leo
knows
to
be
saying:
oh
that's!
This
is
beautiful
example,
love,
yeah,
so
okay
I'm
intrigued
to
see
that
there
and
we
all
you,
know
that
street
with
the
Darth
Vader
house,
okay,.
A
F
That's
an
interesting
point.
You
know
educating
ourselves
and
sort
of
reminding
ourselves
and
our
neighbors
about
the
different
neighborhoods.
You
know
a
lot
of
times
we
become
familiar
with
certain
corners
of
the
county,
so
you
know
to
have
like
an
app
that
starts
delineate
these
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
that
way.
It
also
makes
it
easier
for
you
to
read
document
and
understand.
You
know
the
different
neighborhoods
that
we're
talking
about
I
think
broadly
strongly
strongly
support
this
notion
of
zoning
and
preservation
and
how
those
two
overlap.
F
You
know
I
think
that's
that's
a
critical
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
really
capitalize
on.
We
had
this
conversation,
the
housing,
a
position
he
had
last
year
and
earlier
this
spring
you
know
and
how
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities
there
that
I
think
it
really
makes
sense.
You
know
when
you're
just
supposed
to
preserving
and
creating
opportunities
for
development
I'll
the
building
spoke
earlier
on
the
meeting,
I
wonder
if
there's
something
that
we
can
do
or
we
can
strategize
on
I.
Think
now,
inter.
F
Between
staff
departments
and
having
that
communication
I
said
that
that's
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
as
a
community
and
I
don't
know
that
Planning
Commission
has
much
of
a
say
on
it,
but
I've
just
encountered
that
problem.
You
know
and
I
think
tonight
we
saw
the
problem
when
we're
talking
about
bus
shelters,
we
run
into
the
problem
and
I
think
you
know
the
left
hand
in
the
right
hand,
I.
F
You
guys
have
any
ideas
or
any
recommendation
for
us
to
talk
to
the
board
or
talk
about
a
Planning
Commission
or
talk
about
zoning
to
create
something
that
starts
to
talk.
Have
departments
talk
to
each
other.
You
know
I,
think
sort
of
a
almost
a
sidebar
but
I
think
it's
something.
That's
almost
Universal,
also
and
probably
some
no
matter
repeat
at.
B
F
Meeting
you
know
to
encourage
staff
to
talk
to
each
other,
but
I.
Think
yeah
I'm
really
excited
that
this
plan
is.
F
But
I
think
the
the
congratulations
behind
it's
really
sort
of
a
nice
restrained
but
yet
sort
of
playful
and
colorful.
At
the
same
time.
That's
really
good
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
who
you
hired
to
do
this
or
if
you're
doing
it,
but
I,
think
yeah
and
and
I.
Will
second
commission
tell
me
sort
of
tagging
and
over
describing
things
you
know
it's
a
you
just
have
to
assume
the
people
that
are
reading
this
don't
know
what
they're
looking
at
so
you
know
just.
F
A
You
thank
you,
I'm
getting
into
big
things.
I
have
a
couple
comments.
Also
on
that
one
thing:
we've
been
frustrated
with
on
Planning
Commission
for
projects
come
before
us
which
have
a
component
is
that
the
HRA
came
off
and
after
some
of
these
projects
were
conceptualized,
so
we
really
couldn't
do
much
about
it.
I'm
thinking
about,
for
example,
the
the
gas
station
you
know,
yeah
Joyce,
Motors
I
would
have
loved
to
have
had
more
tools
to
offer
that
developer
say.
A
In
order
to
preserve
this
in
situ,
you
can
get
extra
height
here
you
can
get
a
TDR
I
mean
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things.
There
there's
more
than
just
two
yards.
There's
lots
of
tools
we
can
potentially
use
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
doing
that.
I
really
think
we
need
to
explore
way
way
more,
giving
way
more
flexibility
for
serious,
about
preserving,
really
preserving
things,
because
these
our
properties
are
so
valuable.
A
Now
that
it's
really
unfair
Property
Owners
to
put
a
constraint
on
them
that
they
don't
get
somehow
compensated
for
and
if
we
want
them
to
actually
happen,
you
know
and
the
County
Board
you
know
they're
like
they
have
the
right
and
the
responsibility
to
sometimes
overrule
us.
You
know
Planning
Commission,
that
happens
to
us
because
they
have
larger
considerations,
you're
going
to
be
the
same
way,
they're
going
to
sometimes
overrule
it.
A
You
want
to
give
enough
tools
that
they
rarely
do
that
that
there
is
an
accommodation
that
that
developer
comes
before
and
says
yeah
I'm
on
board
with
this.
So
we
need
to
apply
this
many
tools
as
possible
in
order
to
allow
this
to
happen.
So
that's
just
a
larger
philosophical
thing.
I
know
you're
you're,
all
considering,
but
it
really
has
to
be
a
big
part
of
this,
certainly
going
forward.
A
A
They
think
it's
great
the
way
we
have
so
often
you're
weeping
through
equity
on
this,
and
that's
really
really
important,
because
two
of
them
historic
preservation,
hijacked
by
The
Haves,
to
prevent
anything
from
changing.
It's
the
way
our
neighborhood's
going
to
be
we're
going
to
preserve
it,
as
is
in
Amber,
and
that
it's
done
as
a
way
to
exclude
others
and
I
really
want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
end
up
somehow
going
down
that
path.
I!
Think
about
that
happening.
A
Example.
One
thing
we're
using
the
term
in
this
different
character,
which
we
all
do
but
I'd
like
to
have
that
be
modified
to
say,
visit
physical
neighborhood
character
or
neighborhood's
physical
character,
because
too
often
it
ends
up
being
a
a
way
of
people.
It's
like
not
our
kind
of
people
here,
neighbor
character
means
something
more
than
just
what
the
house
looks
like.
It
ends
up
who's
living
there
more.
A
Architecture,
yeah,
right
and
I
want
to
really
be
careful
that
we
were
talking
about
neighborhood
character
in
this
content,
because
you're
clearly
doing
that.
It's
the
physical
look
of
the
name
I
get
that.
But
we
have
to
be
careful
that,
because
that
has
been
coming
up,
we've
seen
that
before
us
people
abusing
neighborhood
character
as
a
but
anyway
I
would
get
it.
But.
D
Yeah
I
want
to
second
that
that
ends
up
being
like
a
red
flag
for
us
when
people
come
in
and
they
do
that
you're
right.
That
is
a
good
catch,
Jim
and
I
I.
Second,
a
lot
of
this
with
the
tools
for
developers,
but
also
for
us.
If
you
can
help
us
think
about
how
to
have
a
more
full
discussion
when
there's
a
question
about
preservation,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
us
just
don't
know
this
very
well.
We
don't
know
architecture
very
well,
so
that
we
can
spend
a
little
time
debating
that.
D
That's
a
great
idea
and
I
want
to
call
that
when
you
said
the
hijacked
by
privilege,
I'm
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
your
African-American
Heritage
survey.
One
of
my
concerns
with
missing
middle
as
I
think
our
most
affordable
neighborhoods.
Where
we
might
see
this
might
be
some
of
our
African-American
homeownership
neighborhoods,
so
I'd
love
to
know
you
know
is
this:
could
this
potentially
be
a
way
to
bring
some
tools
to
some
of
those
communities
so
that
they're
not
immediately
susceptible
yeah?.
A
The
other
thing
I
want
to
be
careful
and
there's
a
big
example
of
this
that
this
probably
ties
into
the
hydraulic
probe.
Looking
this
has
happened
in
DC
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
that
happen
here
because,
as
you
rightly
recognize
in
this
there's
a
lot
of
competing
things,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
historic
preservation
is
lined
up
with
affordable
housing,
sustainability
and
all
the
other
goals
that
we
have
at
our
comprehensive
plan,
because
it's
a
comprehensive
plan,
it's
a
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
just
one
element
of
it.
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
competing
things
here.
We
want
to
bring
them
in
those
alignment
as
much
as
possible,
but
there
was
a
big
battle
in
DC
on
one
of
their
their
equivalent
of
made.
You
know
their
historic
that
someone
wants
to
put
solar
panels
because
you,
theoretically
feed
from
the
street
he
was
killed
and
that's
totally
contrary
to
everything.
We're
trying
to
do
and
solar
panels
come
and
go
I
mean
they
may
be
currently
they've
ABC
the
20
years,
the
technology
move
forward.
It
may
not
be
be
taken
off.
We.
A
Right,
which
is
right,
which
is
the
way
it
should,
but
that
battle
in
DC
was
like
I'm
going.
Oh,
my
God:
how
how
to
kill
the
support
of
historical
New
York,
that's
exactly
what
we
don't
want
to
happen
is
that
people
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
something
that
everybody
knows
needs
to
be
done.
We're
saying:
oh
nope!
You
can't
do
it
because
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
the
1890s.
A
We,
let's
be
really
really
careful
about
that
service,
because
again,
this
is
with
the
neighborhoods.
Oh
no,
it
doesn't
look
right.
You
know
and
like
let's
be
careful
about
that
so
anyway,
I'm
throwing
that
as
a
more
of
a
philosophical
Point
to
keep
in
mind
in
this
going
forward
with
this.
But
anyway,
sorry,
yes,
yeah.
J
Exactly
well,
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
having
this
be
so
comprehensive.
You.
J
That
you
want
people
to
be
able
to
see
themselves
in
this
plan
for
it
to
be
Equitable
well
funny
enough,
just
in
your
executive
summary
you're
talking
about
the
Salvadorian
Community,
my
background
was
from
El
Salvador,
so
I
immediately
sort
of
identified
with
that
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
J
B
J
Thinking
Beyond
structures
and
I'm
wondering
how
do
you
guys
plan
to
do
this?
This
sort
of
living
history,
for
example,
you
know
the
Salvadorian
communities
sort
of
vibrant,
but
it's
sort
of
a
newer.
You
know
you
know
after
the
Civil
War,
that's
when
a
lot
of
irregular
migration
games
and
everything
started
coming
here.
How
do
you
guys
plan
to
demonstrate
that
and
sort
of
the
historical
lens,
I
suppose,
because.
J
Them
here,
but
I'm
wondering-
and
perhaps
that
leads
to
something
larger-
that
I
was
thinking
it
would
be
great
I
know
you
guys,
provide
past
examples
like
what
you
guys
did
and
what
is
it
Green
Valley,
but
it
would
be
great
to
see
the
art
of
the
possible
with,
like
an
actual
case,
study.
J
Of
the
programs
that
you
were
doing,
how
would
that
look
like
what
would
be
the
art
icle?
What
effects
would
that
have
for
us.
E
B
E
That
was
a
joint
project
with
the
historic
reservation
program,
the
center
for
local
history
and
Arlington
cultural
Affairs.
So
we
applied
for
a
grant
fund
at
the
time
Virginia
foundation
for
the
humanities
now
sponsored
that
publication.
D
Well,
so
you
all
kind
of
give
us
a
blurry,
a
question:
yes,
so
I'm
gonna
try
and
see
how
we
can
answer
and
I'm
gonna
go
with
the
most
recent
and
I
think
when
talking
about
living
history,
I
think
so.
D
So
we've
been
we've
been
wanting
to
do
a
lot
more
surveys.
We've
been
wanting
to
be
able
to
start
kind
of
really
having
because
I
could
even
say.
D
We
have
a
lot
of
surveys
that
we've
done,
that
talks
about
the
architectural
industry
and
the
history
of
different
populations
that
lived
in
Arlington
County
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
really
do
as
much
Outreach
as
we
would
like,
and
even
if
that's
just
doing
something
very
traditional
where
it's
having
more
Publications
is
something
that
we
we'd
like
to
do
more
and
I
think
also
with
Partnerships.
There's.
Definitely
other
divisions.
J
D
This
is
definitely
their
goal
and
we
have
been
able
to
work
well
with
them.
We
want
to
do
it.
We
also
want
to
do
it
formally
in
our
plan
and
their
plan.
I
think
we
have
learned
to
put
ourselves
in
with
other
divisions,
I.
Think
of
like
the
center
for
local
history,
I,
think
of
cultural,
Affairs,
I,
think
of
public
art
we've
even
Urban
Design
we've
been
really
trying
to
always
be
around
when
there's
certain
projects
that
they're
doing
they're
doing.
D
D
Think
of
with
you
can
see
here
we
have
an
illustration
of
a
screen
review
and
we
just
partnered
with
private
architectural
firm
to
do
some
architectural
surveys
Q
community-
and
this
again
is
just
an
area
where
it
is
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
trying
to
identify
as
many
people
as
possible
story
and
I
think
the
more
we
do
that
and
the
more
we're
able
to
have
the
resources
that
we
need
to
find
the
creative
ways
that
people
kind
of
internal
like
how
we
all
digest
this
information.
D
It's
not
always
going
to
be
with
a
marker.
It's
not
always
going
to
be
with
a
book,
but
it
could
be
something
where
we're
working
more
with
community
events
and
programming
that
works
with
audiences.
That
are
there
because
I
think
we
are
very
Niche
I.
Think,
as
you
were
saying,
Mr
Garen,
that
not
everybody
knows
about
preservation
and
all
of
its
tools
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we
will
just
continue
to
be
able
to
do
our
Outreach
out
there,
so
that
people
know
what
is
available
to
them
and
part
of
the
program.
D
I
also
think
that
we
are
trying
to
be
as
Forward
Thinking,
with
the
way
that
people
get
digest.
This
information
I
think
with
our
story.
Maps.
That's
one
way
that
we're
trying
to
do
that.
D
We're
trying
to
work
well
with
the
AV
team,
with
Arlington
County
to
create
more
digital
projects,
more
YouTube
videos,
those
types
of
things
to
kind
of
like
get
the
information
out
there,
because
we
even
found
that,
with
some
of
the
materials
that
we've
put
out
there
in
the
past
three
years
about
this
plan,
and
it's
developing
it
again,
not
everybody
is
going
to
look
a
flyer,
not
everyone's
going
to
read
the
whole
document
from
page
to
page
I,
don't
want
people
to
do
that
if
they
don't
want
to.
D
They
digest
that
information
this
way,
we
think
that
we'll
get
our
messaging
out
there
more
and
so
I
think
when
we
were
talking
about
our
technology
information
tools,
gold
working
more
with
GIS,
but
also
we're
able
to
do
more
training
our
program
to
be
able
to
do
that.
More
increase.
Our
Partnerships
again
be
able
to
get
our
message
now
so.
E
B
E
One
so
that
was
a
project
that
our
program
embarked
on
I'm
embarrassed
to
admit.
A
few
years
ago,
we
use
some
of
our
consultant
money
to
hire
a
firm
to
basically
prepare
our
historic
contacts.
E
They
did
an
architectural
survey
of
several
dozen
historic
buildings
and
neighborhoods
associated
with
African-American
culture
and
history
in
the
county,
and
they
prepared
a
draft
report,
and
this
is
one
of
those
things
that,
unfortunately,
because
of
other
pressing
priorities
because
of
Staff
turnover
and
more
pressing
priorities
that
came
up,
that
this
kind
of
has
stopped,
and
so
the
end
goal
really
was
twofold.
E
So
thinking
of
places
along
Langston,
Boulevard
thinking
of
historically
African-American
neighborhoods
that
are
experiencing
a
lot
of
change
at
a
very
rapid
rate,
but
that
have
cultural
significance.
E
And
how
do
we
then
work
with
owners
who
are
willing
to
then
start
nominating
those
properties
to
the
National
register
so
and
then
in
turn,
those
owners
could
take
advantage
of
tax
credits
that
they
otherwise
would
not
have
access
to
right
now
in
terms
of
doing
renovation
work,
maybe
making
getting
tax
credits
and
doing
the
renovation
is
the
solution
to
preventing
some
tear
Downs
in
some
of
these
rapidly
changing
neighborhoods.
So
we
realized
that
that's
a
very
important
project.
E
D
It
to
more
arlingtons
I
definitely
would
support
that
I
think
you'd
get
the
whole
see
behind
it
and
Jimmy.
You
might
remember
this
Mr
chair,
I,
think
having
something
like
this
would
have
been
enormously
helpful
when
the
hospital
was
redeveloping
and
they
really
didn't
have
a
sense
of
the
strong
community
that
was
already
there.
A
D
And
we
were
hearing
things
there
used
to
be
a
tree
lot
on
the
corner
and
we
think
oh
there's
so
much
here.
That's
just
begging
to
be
built
into
your
design,
but
as
you
say
that
not
all
the
developers
have
the
tools
for
that.
It's
a
hospital.
After
all,
that's
not
their
expertise
and
then
I,
don't
think
a
lot
of
the
history
had
been
daylighted
and
shared,
so
that'll
be
really.
E
E
Around
that,
but
how
our
program
and
how
the
preservation
field
has
evolved
since
that
time
of
the
original
plan,
it's
more
about
people
and
places
and
connections,
not
just
those
physical
buildings,
and
so
how
do
we
then
celebrate
the
culture
and
the
traditions
and
the
Heritage
Behind
these
places
too.
So
that
is
a
big
Focus.
A
Yeah,
you
have
one
big
example
in
there,
but
I
could
think
about
this.
Like
you
know,
Mr
Moore's
Barbershop,
you
know
easy
institution,
his
father
now
him,
but
because
it's
a
person
and
it's
and
it's
what
happens
there
when
he
decides
to
retire
or
pass
it
on
it
could
change,
it
will
change
and
it
because
it's
what
happened
in
there,
the
next
news
won't
have
anything
to
do
with
it
won't
be
late.
We
still
need
to
memorialize
that
in
some
way,
but
the
building
itself
isn't
isn't
it
it's.
A
It
was
what
was
happening
in
the
building
and
again
and
his
father
I
mean
they're.
They
were
the
they
were
the
they
were,
the
cultural
value
of
it
same
down
on
23rd
Street.
You
know
Freddy's
bar,
you
know
it's
the
only
gay
bar
in
Northern
Virginia,
probably
which
Brady
decides
to
move
on
it'll,
be
a
Thai
restaurant,
let's
say
or
something.
How
do
we
memorialize?
What
Freddy
meant
to
that
Community
here
so
that
it's
it's
remembered
and
because
it's
what
went
on
in
there,
it
wasn't
building
itself,
which
is
totally.
Who
cares?
A
E
Well,
please
spend
some
time
on
the
project
webpage
for
the
Plan
update,
update
we
have
as
Lauren
was
mentioning.
We
have
the
plan
if
you
would
like
to
read
it
cover
to
cover
it's
there
and
I'll
story
for
you,
but
we
also
have
a
quick
video
summary.
We
have
technical
memos
that
our
consultant
have
prepared
throughout
the
process.
So
there's
other
ways
to
understand
the
information,
including
what
we're
calling
our
cultural
Spotlight
videos
and
you
might
have
seen
it.
E
We
did
the
first
one
I'm
trying
to
think
when
we
released
it
the
end
of
2021,
it's
all
kind
of
blurred
together,
but
we
did
one.
The
first
one
was
about
Freddy's.
We
have
another
one
being
released
this
week
about
a
building
that
has
already
been
named
in
this
meeting
this
evening.
So
you'll
have
to
wait
till
Friday,
so
you
can
watch
it
anymore,
but
bringing
those
stories
to
life
and
those
those
connections
to
the
people.
People
not
just.
D
And
I
also
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
up.
I
really
did
appreciate
mentioning
the
hijacked
by
the
credible
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
I
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
studies
that
have
been
happening
have
really
been
challenging
for
everybody
to
embrace,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
those
flexible
tools
so
that
communities
can
have
options,
but
it,
but
it.
B
D
B
D
D
I
see
middle,
wanted
to
come
to
some
of
our
well-known
local
historic
districts,
it
can
happen
and
it
can
be
done
well
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
there
is
maybe
a
concern
that,
by
having
more
designation
tools
that
are
more
flexible,
they're
going
to
be
everywhere,
I
think
that's
going
to
happen.
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
appropriate
in
certain
neighborhoods
I
think
that.
C
D
Restaurant
Road,
23rd,
Street,
Freddy's
Freddy's
bar,
is
I.
Think
that's
a
great
example
where
we
were
to
focus
on
the
story
of
that
commercial
District.
It
isn't
just
about
the
buildings.
It's
about
the
Legacy
businesses,
the
people
who
go
there.
The.
D
D
A
living
history
I
think
that
that's
a
great
way
to
describe
it,
and
it
really
will,
we
hope,
will
have
people
kind
of
feel
more
connected
with
their
I.
Also
think
it
would
reach
it,
wouldn't
just
reach
people
who
are
living
in
that
neighborhood.
If
you
think
people
are
working.
B
D
D
I
also
was
thinking
about
the
HRI
and
some
of
the
things
that
are
mentioned
about
that,
and
you
know
again
we're
not
there's.
We
already
had
some
people
who
are
concerned
like
what
what
are.
D
We
recognize
the
level
of
energy,
that's
gonna,
with
improving
the
HRI,
making
Corrections
expanding
it,
and
we
want
to
give
that
amount
of
time.
That's
really
needed
towards,
and
that's
going
to
be,
hopefully
one
of
our
first
things
that
we're
going
to
do
so
and
I
think
of
how
we
were
looking
at
this
property
here
at
Columbia
Pike.
That
would
be
a
perfect
example
of
a
property
that
could
be
that
could
have
been
reviewed
if
the
HRI
were
to
be,
and
then
lastly,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
back
to
the
incentives
aspect.
D
You
know
our
major
incentive
goal
was
this
historic
preservation
fund
and
we
were
so
fortunate.
The
County
Board
has
already
proved
this
donated
funds
to
it,
a
lot
of
fun.
Thank
you
to
it
and
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
as
many
people
as
possible
could
get
access
to
this,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
hopefully
improve
that
every
year
find
new
ways
to
grow
that,
and
that
is
one
small
way
that
we
can
try
and
make
preservation
be
more
more
booked
upon,
as
as
a
benefit
for
everybody
and
I.
D
Think
that
there's
going
to
be
some
really
great
opportunities
and
I
think
that
Arlington
County
should
feel
really
proud,
because
I
have
not
seen
that
many
local
jurisdictions
do
something.
So
so.
I
think
that
that
can
really
be
something
that
we
can
build
similar
to
what
we
are
hoping
to
do
with
the
HRM.
A
Oh
I
thought
of
another
tool:
I
was
I
forgot
to
mention
earlier
that
you
so
I'm
having
a
bigger
concern.
It's
been
used
very
successfully
in
other
jurisdictions,
or
certainly
any
building
built
before
World
War
II.
A
If
it
didn't
require
parking
to
build
that,
don't
report
require
parking
now
parking
minimum
skill,
historic
preservation,
Los
Angeles
for
its
downtown.
All
those
buildings
were
built
in
like
the
teens
20s
30s
when
they
eliminated
parking
requirements.
A
A
A
A
couple
of
others
are
called
after
we
were
talking,
bigger
history
of
Crystal,
City,
Crystal
City
was
was
planned
and
construction
way
way
on
the
way
before
Metro
was
conceived.
It
was
not
a
metro.
Yeah
Metrorail
was
not
the
spur
to
Crystal
City.
That
became
independent,
Richmond
Highway
more
likely,
but
it
was
really
more
because
of
pentagon,
and
you
do
refer
to
the
bullseye
approach,
which
it
was
you
know
definitely
planning
that
was
the
original
plan
be.
B
A
That
that
in
commission
and
I
think
Anthony
is
looking
at
revisiting
the
bullseye
approach.
The
card
we're
certainly
advocating
the
sound
lists
for
advocating
for
spine
approach.
D
D
B
D
Mean
there
we
have
a
great
kind
of
portfolio
and
we
are
hoping
that,
like
things
like
people,
kind
of
figuring
out
more
ways
to
do,
Outreach
and
highlight
those
more
as
well
as
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
are
familiar
with
again
local
historic
districts
versus
a
property
that
owns
that
has
an
easement
on
it.
The
differences
and
levels
of
protections,
so
we're
just.
D
We
aren't
sure
how
to
do
it
just
yet,
but
I
think
if
we
just
continue
to
keep
reaching
out
to
all
the
different
communities.
Different
populations
in
every
way
possible
continue
to
explain
what
those
are
and
what
are
the
benefits?
Even
you
know,
even
some
of
our
members
on
the
hlrb
are
still
trying
familiar
with
with
some
of
the
approaches
that
we're
doing,
such
as
using
tbrs
and
how
that
sometimes
then
creates
an
easy
holding
property.
D
B
D
The
next
sample
of
that
yeah
not
yet
because
we
don't
have
that.
Okay,
oh,
but
but
we
do
have
examples
of
things
that
potentially
could
happen.
But
there's
definitely.
A
lot
of
people
are
interested
in
the
lion.
That
is
a
national,
registered
historic
places,
historic
history,
but
that
doesn't
have
any
protections
to
it.
And
so
I
think
that
there
are
definitely
some
property
owners
who
are
interested
in
designating
their
properties
and
are
hoping
that
that
will
kind
of
we.
E
We
were
recently
approached
within
the
past
couple
months
by
a
couple
who
lives
in
Cherrydale.
They
live
in
a
historic
Bungalow
and
they
approached
us
about
designation,
but
are
trying
to
convince
some
of
their
Neighbors
on
their
blog
to
do
it
with
them.
So
that
could
be
potentially
be
a
little
micro
District.
We
can
honor
kind
of
the
Bungalow
form
of
suburb
without.
F
E
Question
so
I
think
it
would
definitely
lead
to
your
point.
Commissioner
sarley
would
add
a
layer
of
flexibility
that
we've
done
and
being
able
to
help
preserve
not
only
cultural
heritage,
but
also
places
that
might
have
undergone
more
changes
over
time
and
being
able
to
still
recognize
the
importance
of
place
out
being
a
traditional
historic
Alexandria.
A
E
A
I
thought
it
almost
ran
more
like
purchasingly,
because
it's
something
if
the
plan
of
support
that
we
should
do,
and
it
should
just
be
as
a
matter
of
course,
you
know
getting
rid
of
the
term
master
plan.
That's
that's
an
easy
one,
but
going
through
the
whole
explanation
of
it
seemed
a
little
bit
Overkill.
A
You
know
it
just
I'm,
not
sure
it
added
anything,
because
the
whole
document
itself
really
speaks
for
itself.
That
way,
it's
just
the
way.
It's
written.
It's
like
a
matter
of
fact
that
these
terms
we
always
use
and
we'll
be
using
going
forward.
A
E
Kind
of
next
steps,
so
we
would
really
encourage
all
of
our
lrbc
members
to
read
the
plan.
If
you
haven't
already,
the
link
is
in
the
slides
and
we
would
encourage
you
also
to
fill
out
the
feedback
form
you
have
until
June
20th
to
do
that.
It's
about
a
dozen
questions
or
so,
and
so
we
would
love
for
you
not
only
to
complete
that
tonight
or
at
your
leisure
before
June
20,
June
20th.
But
please
share
both
the
draft
plan
and
the
feedback
form
with
others.
You
think
might
be
interested.
E
We
are
also
planning
to
return
to
lrpc
later
this
summer.
I
think
we're
targeting
July.
So
we
can
talk
about
some
of
the
changes
that
we
have
been
making
to
the
document.
Based
on
this,
this
feedback
that
we're
collecting
now
from
the
community.
E
We
are
expecting
to
return
to
the
hlrb,
the
August
September
time
frame
as
well,
and
then
our
goal
is
to
return
to
the
full
Planning
Commission,
as
well
as
the
County
board
for
the
RTA
and
then
the
adoption
hearings.
So
you
will
have
several
more
opportunities
to
engage
with
us.
Ask
your
questions
and.
A
We
have
commissioner
Steinberger
recognize.
You
come
on.
L
Hi
so
I'm
even
going
to
try
to
go
on
camera,
although
that
light
placement
is
not
desirable,
hi,
everyone
I
really
just
wanted
to
add
my
two
cents.
I
apologize
I
had
to
do
baby
Duty
a
bit
tonight,
so
I
was
in
and
out,
but
I
was
very
heartened
by
much
of
what
I
heard
with
regards
to
making
sure
that
our
historic
preservation
that
those
elements
are
something
we
could
consider.
L
You
know
every
time
we're
we're,
considering
a
major
planning
document,
whether
it's
a
sector
plan
or
something
else
that
baking
that
into
our
process
from
the
beginning,
I
think
is,
is
really
what
I've
heard
as
being
a
desirable
approach.
You
know,
since
I
was
on
hlrb
and
I've
heard
that
from
various
Commissioners
you
know
over
a
period
of
years,
so
I'm
I'm
heartened
that
that's
the
direction
that
you
know,
staff.
L
You
know
we
we're
gonna
the
direction
we're
heading
in
also
in
in
terms
of
I
chuckled,
a
little
bit
when
I
heard
about
the
feedback
in
terms
of
having
a
plan
for
taking
care
of
some
of
our
historic
cemeteries,
because
I
know
that's
been
something
that
we've
that
that
brought
back
memories,
memories
projects
passed
so
I
was
pleased
to
hear
that
as
well
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
say
it
was
nice
to
see
some
familiar
faces.
A
B
K
E
B
K
D
E
F
That
actually
brings
a
point
that
I
made
it
the
sunrise,
South
development,
there's
a
technology
of
churches,
architectural
ecology,
church
that
I
think
are
soon
going
to
be
an
endangered
species,
because
we
keep
you
know
they're
nice
properties,
they're
selling,
correctly
they've
got
nice
parking
lots,
so
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
we
want
to
or
can
do
again
talking
to
zoning
and
sort
of
doing
I
know
that
some
of
the
housing
APPA
has
developed
for
pre-development.
F
A
little
bit
of
where
we
preserve
and
developed
the
Joyce
motor
is
a
good
example
that
commission
will
income
I
think
brought
up
earlier
on.
You
know
it
was
really
unimaginative
right.
F
D
D
The
comfortable
to
sort
of
preserve
it
by
Guidance
to
Developers
I
think
that
there
is.
D
D
See
that
maybe
that
could
be
a
opportunity
category
to
be
able
to
expand
the
historic
resources
inventory,
but
I.
Also
one
of
the
things
that's
really
come
out
of
the
historic
preservation
fund,
which
we
closed.
Our
applications
at
the
end
of
April
we're
now
reviewing
about
19
Central
projects
that
we
hope
to
prevent
after
they
get
evaluated
and
but
one
of
the
things
that
ended
up
happening
during.
D
So
we
had
a
historic
preservation
fund
open
from
January
to
the
end
of
April,
and
we
were
taking
questions
and
we
definitely
had
a
lot
of
churches
interested
in
the
historic
preservation
fund
for
Capital
funds,
and
we
had
put
a
requirement
that
if
someone
wants
to
use
a
capital
fund,
they
need
to
be
a
local
historic
district
and
we
did
get
some
people
who
aren't
those
that
wanted
to
have
that
be
considered
like
what.
What
does
that
mean?
D
And
it's
good
that's
an
opportunity
to
know
that
there
are
some
churches
that
are
interested
in
maybe
doing
preservation,
but
that
tight
turnaround
from
January
to
April.
That's
a
that's
like
a
year
conversation
for
a
congregation
to
have
so
this
might
be
an
opportunity
for
us
time
ways
to
reach
out
to
that
type
of.
L
D
A
A
Right
I
also
some
Churches,
which
are
gonna,
they're,
gonna,
be
torn
down
and
I
think
it's
probably
better
because
I'm
like
the
the
St
Charles
Ireland.
A
If
that
redevelops
it's
going
to
be
a
church
that
will
actually
be
a
Civic
building
which
we'll
have
an
actual
Focus
the
way
the
current
designs
are
at
any
focal
point
rather
than
the
church.
Now,
where
you
don't
even
know
what
the
front
door
is,
even
though
it
is
a
50s
building
and
I
could
see
value
on
that,
but
it's
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
the
way
it
is
now
you
don't
even
know
it's
a
church
drive
by
it,
Our
Lady
of
Exxon
and
Rosalind,
which
is
like
totally
worthless.
A
It
one
of
those
bizarre
buildings
in
Arlington
we're
in
the
whole
region,
Adventure
World,
gas,.
F
B
D
Be
support
there's,
but
there's
gonna
need
to
be
some
flexible
and
creative
that
this
Central
United
Methodist
Church
in
Boston
I
think
that
that
definitely
is
a
good
example
of
having
affordable
housing.
Having
space
for
the
congregation
to
be
able
to
gather.
B
A
E
Like
a
church,
I
think
to
your
point,
though,
in
terms
of
if
you
expand
the
HRI,
what
are
some
of
those
other
typologies,
that
we
should
searches
and
other
institutional
buildings
community
centers
schools?
We
need
to
know
what
we
have
so
we
can
be.
We
can
understand
that
how
to
think
creatively
about
the
future,
so
yeah
topics.
D
I
think
having
preservation
in
like
I,
think
a
plan
likes
to
Boulevard
upon,
like
symbol
of
our
study,
done
a
really
good
job
with
starting
from
you
know,
A
to
point
b
or
whatever,
with
surveying
over
120
properties,
identifying
ones
that
have.
We
felt
the
most
significant
finding
a
preservation
treatment.
So
it's
clear
when
a
project
comes
through
on-site
plan,
but
we
have
an
idea
of
what
we
are
expecting
for
those
properties
and
some
of
those
are
traditional
preservation
and
some
of
those
aren't.
B
D
A
D
A
Sounds
going
through
that
might
be
a
useful
exercise.
I
agree
anyway.
Anything
else
Commissioners
online-
and
here
do
you
have
anything
further
to
ask
or
contribute
or
editorialize
about.
A
Our
speaker
is
Jim
Mr
Schulman,
you
will
get
you
up
and
I'll
give
first,
let
me
get
the
timer
up
and
then
it'll
be
your
turn
to
speak.
Two.
B
A
K
K
Ahead,
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciated
the
presentation.
I
strongly
believe
that
historic
preservation
can
integratively
augment
other
County
goals.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
you
know,
there's
it's
a
zero-sum
game
and
in
most
cases
historic
preservation
can
benefit
other
goals.
In
fact,
you
know.
K
Let
me
just
say
that
if
I,
that
the
sound
quality
is
not
great,
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
I
heard
this
correctly,
but
if
I
did
the
fact
that
3108
Columbia
Pike
that
Bank
building
was
inadvertently
emitted
from
the
HRI
should
tell
something
to
the
long-range
planning
process
here
that
maybe
it
shouldn't
be
demolished
and
that
maybe
it
needs
to
be
considered
before
moving
forward
to
provide
parking.
K
A
You
very
much
if
there's
nothing
else,
anybody
wants
to
raise
or
say
I
mean
he's
a
jerk.
Thank
you
all.