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From YouTube: Digital Destiny: Energy
Description
Arlington County staff and industry leaders led a community discussion on the impact that the Digital Revolution will have on Energy in Arlington. They explored the increasing role that technology is playing in energy conservation as smart homes and buildings become the expected norm and learn about the potential that technology offers in helping Arlington meet its goal of a lower carbon footprint by 2050. The panelists:
David Peabody, Architect, Peabody Architects
Anna Buglaeva, Vice President of Growth, Aquicore
Adam Segel-Moss, Energy Outreach Specialist, Arlington Initiative to Rethink Energy
Recorded on November 29 2017 at the Arlington Public LIbrary.
A
B
B
So
if
you
want
to
ask
a
question,
asked
it
that
way
here
doing
this
discussion,
we
have
a
lot
of
material
we
want
to
cover
and
at
certain
points
we
will
stop
and
allow
questions
to
be
asked
will
come
around
with
microphones
and
you
folks
can
stand
up,
ask
a
question
and
we
encourage
that
to
happen.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight.
B
I
want
to
first
recognize
some
key
people
are
in
a
room
here:
Paul
Ferguson
who's
clerk
of
the
courts
now
and
actually
was,
might
be
considered
the
father
this
program,
the
air
program,
so
his
it
was
his
inspiration
that
started
this
and
and
Joan
Joan
couch
will
talk
about
how
that
began
and
what
that
means.
The
ambitious
goals
you
had
for
the
program
have
been
just
amazing
and
what
we've
achieved
here
in
the
county
has
been
fantastic.
We
also
have
dr.
Joe
Pelton.
B
He
have
any
audience
and
chose
used
to
be
former
chair
of
the
information
technology
and
Advisory.
Commission
is
now
doing
everything
involved
with
space
travel
and
exploration
and
how
the
Sun
may
have
kept
us
in
the
future.
So
we're
welcome
Joe
to
have
you
here
today.
We
have
Mary
Crennel
who's,
the
vice
chair,
our
Information
Technology
Advisory
Commission,
and
we
welcome
you
being
here
today.
So
thank
you
so
much
so.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
Well?
B
Paul
and
the
air
team
started
this
back
in
2007,
looking
forward
in
the
future
and
saying
what
might
be
and
they
set
these
ambitious
goals
for
what
the
community
might
achieve
and
we've
started
to
achieve
those
goals,
and
it's
a
credit
to
the
team
here
and
the
residents
of
Arlington,
what
we're
doing
with
digital
destinies.
Having
a
series
of
events,
this
is
not
a
fifth
event.
B
We've
had
and
it
deals
with
various
areas
of
the
of
the
county
learning,
and
not
just
K,
through
12
but
K
through
grade
looking
at
senior
citizens
and
how
tech
affecting
them
working
at
Health
and
Human
Services
looking
at
transportation
mobility,
and
so
this
is
just
a
series
of
events
we
have.
We
have
no
agenda,
so
these
meetings
aren't
do
something
next
year,
the
next
month,
it's
to
think
ahead
and
say
what
might
be
in
10
to
20
years,
while
we're
doing
it
as
the
exponential
growth
we're
witnessing
in
technology.
B
It's
happening
everywhere,
just
think
10
years
ago.
There's
no
such
thing
as
a
smartphone
and
I
guarantee
you
in
this
room
right
now,
there's
not
one
of
you.
That
does
not
have
one
of
those
devices
in
your
pocket
and
you're
doing
things
on
a
device
that,
if
you
priced
it
and
then
when
it
came
out
in
2007,
it
would
be
well
over
a
million
dollars,
and
today
you
go
down
to
the
Verizon
store
the
AT&T
store
and
you
can
get
it
for
under
$100
and
be
able
to
do
things.
B
This
exponential
growth
is
taking
technology
taking
place
in
technology
will
affect
us
and
how
we
work
I
would
live,
how
we
interact
with
each
other.
There
are
many
good
things
that
are
going
to
come
out
of
this,
but
there
are
also
things
that
aren't
so
good,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
identify
what
those
might
be
and
establish
a
set
of
guideposts,
not
that
we're
going
to
do
something
tomorrow,
as
I
said,
but
something
that
our
elected
officials
can
look
at
and
say.
Okay,
they
talked
about
this.
B
They
said
this
might
be
coming
when
we
go
to
make
some
legislation
to
do
something
in
the
community.
We
ought
to
be
thinking
about
what
that
might
be
examples.
Electric
vehicles-
and
you
think
about
what's
going
to
happen
with
that,
so
when
it
comes
time
to
do
a
new
construction
project
in
a
County
and
there's
a
lot
of
parking,
we're
going
to
be
requested.
For
that,
do
we
think
about
what
electric
vehicles
might
mean
in
terms
of
what
we
do
with
that
money
in
terms
of
creating
that
environment?
B
A
C
A
You
totally
blew
my
talking
points,
but
that's
good
I
applaud
that
if
you
can
make
that
work
in
this
world,
that
is
a
great
thing,
but
we
are
all
really
dependent
on
that
little
supercomputer
in
our
in
our
pocketbook
and
it
needs
to
be
needs
constant
energy.
It's
hooked
up
to
the
internet
all
the
time,
which
is
a
whole
nother
layer
of
energy
up
there,
and
we
don't
really
notice
any
of
that
until
it's
gone.
A
So
if
the
power
goes
out,
everybody
goes
into
a
panic
mode
and
we're
not
quite
sure
how
we're
gonna
make
make
things
move
from
there
on.
So
that's
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today
is
that
interconnection
of
energy
and
technology
and
how
we're
very
much
dependent
on
that.
So
it
may
be
a
little
bit
trite
to
say,
but
the
future
is
all
about
energy,
but
the
future
is
now,
and
we,
if
you
think
about
all
those
changes,
things
are
happening
almost
on
a
daily
basis
and
the
connection
between
energy
and
technology
is
also
indisputable.
A
E
A
This
is
a
graph
of
Arlington's
population.
Over
time
you
don't
need
to
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
the
trend
is
pretty
obvious
and
that's
not
stopping
anytime
soon,
so
Arlington
is
growing.
Our
economy
is
growing.
We've
grown
about
30,000
people
in
the
last
15
years.
That's
a
lot
of
folks
and
if
you
do
this
next
slide
the
next
one-
and
this
is
a
nice
shot
of
Radha
Roslyn
Boston
corridor,
1975
to
the
mid
20
tens
20
teens
lots
of
growth,
lots
and
lots
of
buildings.
A
It
brings
lots
and
lots
of
people
lots
of
economic
growth,
good-good
sustainable,
healthy
community
that
we
live
in,
but
enormous
amount
of
energy
gets
used
in
this.
Given
this
illustration,
so
the
good
news-
and
all
of
this
is
that
Arlington
is
actually
thinking
about
the
future.
We're
not
just
letting
this
happen,
we're
prepared
and
local
and
looking
ahead
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
local
government
does
the
best,
as
we
plan
plan
for
the
future,
take
care
of
the
potholes
today,
but
make
sure
we've
got
good
system
set
up
for
the
future.
A
So,
a
couple
years
ago,
Arlington
County
adopted
our
community
energy
plan.
It
was
one
of
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
country
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
a
bunch
of
other
jurisdictions
to
do
the
same.
The
CEP
sets
a
goal
of
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
75%
by
2050,
so
I'll
say
that
again,
just
so
it
sort
of
sinks
in
reducer
basically
reduce
our
energy
use
by
75%
by
2050.
That
is
a
big
hairy.
Audacious
goal.
That's
a
lot
to
think
about.
A
We
have
some
time,
but
we're
working
on
that
we're
about
18
percent
of
the
way
there
we're
gonna
do
another
baseline
analysis
this
year
and
refine
those
numbers
a
little
bit,
but
we
are
making
great
progress
and
a
lot
of
that
is
and
things
like
LED
light
bulbs
that
are
just
now
everywhere.
Everybody
uses
them
energy
technology
and
buildings,
heating
and
cooling
systems.
A
That
sort
of
thing
and
we're
looking
at
will
be
looking
at
all
of
that
over
the
next
30
plus
years
in
the
community
energy
plan,
we're
looking
at
a
variety
of
different
components
of
the
community
buildings
are
huge.
They
used
about
75
percent
of
the
energy
in
Arlington
County,
lots
of
opportunity
for
energy
efficiency,
their
renewables,
education
and
behavior
change
in
human
beings,
because
we
all
need
to
use
energy
differently
transportations
another
big
one
and
then,
where
we
generate
energy
loaf,
we
can
generate
locally
versus
at
power
plants
that
are
several
hundred
miles
away.
A
We're
looking
at
all
of
that,
and
it's
probably
a
blinding
flash
of
the
obvious.
But
technology
plays
a
huge
role
in
that
how
all
of
this
is
about
about
technology.
Some
of
it
can
be
very
simple
and
I
hope.
Some
of
our
panelists
will
talk
about
that.
So
to
get
started.
I'm
gonna
introduce
our
first
panelist
Adam
Siegel
Moss,
who
was
a
colleague
of
mine
in
the
county.
We
both
work
for
the
Arlington
initiative
to
rethink
energy
and
he's
going
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
why
we're
here
and
where
we're
headed.
Okay.
D
Welcome
everyone,
happy
Wednesday,
hello
to
everybody
on
Facebook
live
all
800
people,
fake
news-
maybe
it's
more
like
500,
but
welcome.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
If
you
have
questions
again,
feel
free
to
ask
online
we'd
love
to
get
your
questions
to
take
a
quick
pause
and
step
back
and
look.
This
is
Arlington
1920
in
alcove
ax
a
little
different
than
now
mother
child
in
the
driveway.
In
addition
on
the
back
a
new
car,
maybe
it's
the
same
as
now,
but
slightly
different.
This
is
Rosalyn
1937.
D
D
D
Cities
by
definition,
must
be
the
solution
to
energy
issues.
I
work
for
the
Arlington
initiative
to
rethink
energy.
Its
Arlington's
energy
management
program
program
has
been
around
for
10
years
and
much
like
the
county
manages
stormwater
manages
transit
manages
waste.
Managing
energy
is
a
core
function
of
the
county.
We
actually
spend
you
actually
spend
if
you
live
in
Arlington
90
million
dollars
on
energy
a
year,
so
managing
that
energy
is
really
important.
We've
partnered
with
every
county
agency.
D
Over
these
past
10
years,
we've
were
only
just
getting
started,
but
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
quite
a
bit.
I,
don't
know
that
the
Community
Energy
plan
is
our
destiny.
So
much
as
it
is
a
premeditated
act,
that's
taken
enormous
community
vision
by
politicians
and
residents
to
really
plan
for
the
future
of
energy
in
Arlington,
and
so
here
we
have
many
items
but
Arlington's
digital
destiny,
along
with
more
people.
More
energy
means
that
energy
management
building
systems
and
building
design
are
more
than
ever.
A
Thank
you,
Adam
I
wanted
to
introduce
honorable
Eva.
She
is
the
she's
with
aqua
Corps,
which
is
a
private
company.
You
do
some
work
with
Arlington
County
government,
but
you
also
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
using
data
and
smart
building
technologies.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you
do
and
what
that
might
mean
sure.
F
F
He
founded
aqua
for
that
is
now
sort
of
a
digital
membrane
for
buildings,
which
means
that
we
take
real-life
buildings
that
are
around
us
and
we
essentially
digitalize
them
and
connect
them
to
the
online
world,
so
that
somebody
who
is
walking
around
using
their
cell
phone
can
actually
relate
to
their
buildings
and
understand
how
to
manage
them
better.
A
lot
of
times
resource
information
is
kind
of
trapped
in
the
meter.
That
is
not
really
connected
to
anything.
F
F
We
do
a
lot
of
work
in
Crystal
City
as
well,
so
Gateway
properties
there
with
Vornado
and
then
in
the
future.
We'll
also
focus
on
residential
buildings
and
spend
a
lot
more
time
on
multifamily
apartments,
as
they
continue
to
consume
a
lot
of
energy.
You
can
see
that
that's
a
really
big
chunk
of
energy
consumption
in
in
cities
and
that's
something
that
we
as
people
should
be
a
lot
more
responsible
about,
because
that's
it's
really
up
to
us
to
conserve
that
that
resource
good.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
like
to
say
you
can't
manage
what
you
don't
measure.
So
if
you
don't
know
what
you've
got,
you
can't
figure
out
how
to
reduce
it,
and
a
lot
of
what
honest
commands
company
does
is
is
manage
that
measure
the
energy
so
that
it
can
be
made
this
slide.
It
shows
you
how
important
that
work
is
because
there's
a
lot
of
energy
to
be
to
be
managed,
yeah
good.
Our
last
panelist
is
David
Peabody
he's
the
owner
of
Peabody
architects
and
he's
a
Passivhaus
consultant.
A
It
was
a
school
in
Alexandria,
I,
guess
talking
about
green
buildings
when
it
was
just
this
brand-new
shiny
thing
on
the
horizon,
and
nobody
really
knew
what
it
meant
and
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
motivate
the
region
to
start
thinking,
green
and
now
we're
here
today
in
a
very
green
building,
talking
about
super
efficient
homes
and
whatnot.
So,
can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you
do
and
how
you
use
technology
to
make
your
homes
so
energy-efficient
sure.
G
You
know
the
after
we
sort
of
got
through
the
g-wiz
phase
of
all
the
new
materials
that
were
out
there
and
because
solar
was
so
expensive,
then
it
really
wasn't.
You
know
active
technologies
really
weren't
the
way
to
go.
If
you
wanted
to
do
something
that
your
clients
could
afford
and
be
responsible,
so
we
really
focused
on
sort
of
the
demand
side
of
the
energy
equation,
in
other
words,
efficiency
of
our
buildings
and
that
led
us
to
the
Passivhaus
approach,
which
was
actually
started
in
the
u.s.
G
back
in
the
70s,
and
then
the
Germans
developed
it
and
it
makes
a
for
those
of
you
don't
know
much
about
it's
a
methodology
and
also
energy
modeling
system
that
creates
buildings
that
use
about
10%
of
the
heating
and
cooling
energy
of
a
typical
arlington
building.
So
I
have
one
minute
left:
okay,
so
we
we
moved.
We
move
from
there
to
now,
making
Net
Zero
buildings
and
what
I'd
like
to
get
into
tonight.
G
If
we
have,
the
time
is
talking
about
sort
of
the
next
step
from
Net
Zero,
with
the
logical
step
from
next
zero
is,
in
my
view,
is
thinking
about
how
we
generate
energy
move
energy
around
and
save
in
and
store
energy
in
the
home
or
in
the
building,
rather
than
using
the
grid
as
our
battery.
And
so
we
are
we're
doing
right
now,
a
house
in
Arlington.
G
That's
going
to
be
I
think
the
first
in
the
country
that
has
a
micro,
a
direct
current
micro
grid
that
that's
going
to
have
a
lot
of
smart
house
features
as
well
that
are
going
to
help
that
process.
So
that's
so
we're
now
moving
into
technology,
but
I
am
NOT
an
expert
in
technology,
I'm,
I'm
learning.
This
is
pretty
much
everyone
else's.
G
A
You
very
much
I
want
to
remind
everybody
if
you're
online
and
you
have
questions
you
can
type
them
in
and
we'll
tell
you
them
up
here
and
try
to
get
them
asked
and
if
you
all
in
the
audience,
have
questions
I
keep
them
in
mind.
We'll
pass
around
a
mic
in
just
a
little
bit
and
you
can
ask
the
panelists
your
questions
about
energy
and
technology
Adam.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the
county
is
doing?
D
That
is
one
element
of
what
the
rethink
energy
program
does
we
work
on
County
operations,
but
then
we
do
outreach
to
businesses
and
residents
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
we
started
something
called
the
energy
lending
library.
This
is
the
first
in
the
country
it's
now
been
replicated
by
about
a
dozen
different
jurisdictions
nationally,
and
what
we
tried
to
do
was
provide
tools
to
residents
for
all
Arlington
ian's,
to
spot
energy
issues
and
take
actions.
We
provided
thermal
cameras,
LED
boxes
of
bulbs,
do-it-yourself
books
and
some
energy
meters.
We
launched
it.
D
We
launched
four
of
them
and
immediately
had
an
eight-month
waiting
list
and
had
to
more
than
quadruple.
The
number
that
are
that
are
in
service
and
the
the
cornerstone
of
the
program
is
really
the
thermal
camera.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
them,
we
have
one
in
the
back
and
you
can
check
them
out,
just
as
you
would
a
library
book,
but
what
it
does
is
it
sees
what
you
can't
with
your
eyes.
It
shows
thermal
differences
by
the
colors
and
the
upper
right.
Here.
D
D
We
also
have
if
anybody
has
been
to
Home
Depot
or
your
local
home
builder
and
tried
to
buy
lightbulbs
recently,
it's
kind
of
complicated,
so
we've
really
tried
to
make
it
simple
for
residents,
and
now
residents
can
check
out
a
box
of
LED
bulbs
without
spending
five
or
ten
or
fifteen
dollars
for
a
bulb.
Take
it
home,
try
them
out.
They
come
with
information
about
each
bulb,
the
price,
how
long
they
last
color,
they
all
dim,
beautifully
and
really
just
trying
to
make
it
easy
for
residents.
D
Along
the
same
time
that
we
launched
the
energy
lending
library,
we
also
launched
a
home
energy
rebate
program.
So
for
those
who
may
not
be
familiar,
you
should
definitely
know
about
this.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
help
residents
spot
issues
and
then
address
them,
and
over
the
past
year
we've
helped
more
than
500
residents,
complete
energy
upgrade
projects
on
their
homes,
so
insulation,
air,
sealing
heating
and
cooling
water
heaters
duct
sealing
that
sort
of
thing.
We
also
have
a
solar
co-op,
we've
more
than
doubled.
D
The
amount
of
we've
been
able
to
support
residents
to
double
the
amount
of
solar
in
Arlington.
In
just
two
years
more
about
a
hundred
residents
have
put
solar
on
the
roof,
and
then
we
also
have
a
green
home
certification
that
also
helps
resident.
You
know
in
a
checklist
based
format
to
renovate
their
home
as
many
of
the
Arlington
homes
are.
They
were
built
around
the
1950s
without
any
insulation,
the
story
there
is
oil
was
cheap.
D
Insulation
was
expensive,
so
we're
really
trying
to
still
go
back
and
retrofit
a
lot
of
projects
and
projects
that
go
through
our
green
home
certification
program,
often
double
in
size,
but
use
little
to
no
energy
or
water,
even
after
the
expansion.
So
it's
pretty
notable.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
the
programs
that
we
have
to
really
serve
residents
to
spot
issues
and
take
action.
Can.
F
I,
just
chairman
that
that
camera
literally
is
making
me
want
to
move
and
live
in
Arlington,
because
that
is
that
is
the
coolest
thing.
I
mean
if
you're
actually
looking
to
improve
your
house
and
and
improve
your
home
for
resiliency
and
figure
out
where
some
areas
that
you
can
quickly
save
money.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
easiest
ways
to
get
started
and-
and
it
just
makes
so
abundantly
clear,
where
you're
losing
energy,
where
you're
losing
heat
out
of
the
windows.
F
If
you're
thinking
about
doing
a
retrofit
I
mean
this
is
huge,
I
was
I
was
just
spending
time
with
a
chief
sustainability
officer
of
Blackstone,
which
is,
if
you
guys,
aren't
familiar
it's
one
of
the
Lord.
It
is
the
largest
real
estate
ownership
group
in
the
United
States
I
mean
if
you've
stayed,
it
was
hell.
You
probably
see
it
at
a
Blackstone
Hotel
more
than
likely,
and
he
said
that
their
their
kit
for
evaluating
their
properties
literally
has
that
camera
in
it,
and
it
is
like
a
must-have,
so
I
super
that
is
awesome.
D
And
it
really
resembles
what
we're
seeing
in
the
digital
destiny.
These
devices
thermal
cameras,
used
to
be
five
to
ten
thousand
dollars
about
five
to
ten
years
ago,
and
now
this
is
how
large
they
are,
and
they're
they've
come
down
a
price
to
about
two
hundred
dollars
they
attach
to
the
smartphone,
and
you
don't
have
to
be
an
engineer.
You
literally
take
it,
walk
around
your
house
and
pointed
it
things
right.
F
If
it's,
if
it's
blue,
it's
cold
right,
you're
losing
air,
if
it's
red,
it's
it's
hot,
so
you're
you're
overheating
somewhere,
where
maybe
you
don't
want
to
be
heating
and
something's
on
that,
maybe
should
be
off
like
an
oven
or
I.
Don't
know
you
know,
what's
the
things
you'll
find
that
you
think
is
ridiculous,
but
but
it
happens
more
often
than
you
think.
Yeah.
A
Good,
thank
you,
so
that
is
one
of
the
smart
technologies
we're
offering
to
our
residents
for
free
to
go
check
out
what
you
can
learn
about
your
home,
things
that
you
might
not
know,
and
when
you
figure
out
what
the
problems
are,
you
can
get
some
get
a
rebate
for
doing
some
installation,
work
or
air
sealing
around
windows
and
doors,
and
that
kind
of
thing
we'll
give
you
some
money
back.
If
you
do
that
kind
of
work
in
your
home,
so
Anna,
smart
buildings
is
kind
of
a
new
term.
A
F
Smart
buildings
is
it's:
that's
the
new
frontier
it
is
I,
actually
think
it's
really
interesting
when
we
think
about
kind
of
the
future
is
now
concept
I.
Actually
we
challenged
us
to
think
about.
You
know
the
future
that
we
live
in
sort
of
today
and
and
also
keep
thinking
about
like
what
is
what
is
the
future
of
tomorrow
and
what?
F
So,
for
example,
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
make
sure
that
my
team
turns
off
the
lights
at
night
when
they're
leaving
the
office
space
and
they
just
like
no
matter
how
many
times
I
say
it,
they
don't
do
it
and
I'm
sure
that
many
of
you
that
have
kids
can
relate
to
that.
You
know
things
are
getting
left
on.
F
When
we're
done
with
a
meeting
automatically.
You
know
dimming
windows
when
the
solar
glare
is
really
strong
and
you
want
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
your
space
is
not
overheating.
So
you're
dimming
the
windows
automatically
without
the
use
of
shades,
for
example,
allowing
folks
to
control
buildings
well
being
remotely
so
a
lot
of
times
today.
There's
automation
systems
that
allow
you
to
kind
of
control
the
building
while
you're
on
site,
but
not
necessarily
I'm,
allowing
you
to
do
that
when
your
remote.
F
So
what
happens
is
a
lot
of
times,
it'll
be
like
the
Thanksgiving
weekend
and
nobody
is
in
the
building
on
Thursday
and
it
should
be
shut
down,
but
it
didn't
get
shut
down
and
so
building
engineer
actually
has
to
come
on
site
and
turn
that
off
so
allowing
buildings
to
actually
communicate
with
you
over
the
web
and
be
able
to
be
turned
off
over
over
the
weekend.
So
out
of
that
graphic
that
Adam
had
before
we,
the
statistic
is
something
like
40%
of
your
energy.
F
That's
wasted
in
buildings
is
wasted
a
lot
of
buildings
that
we
work
with
office
buildings
when
they
start
out
using
aquaphor
they're
they're
consuming
more
than
50%
of
their
energy
when
the
building
is
not
being
occupied,
that's
ridiculous!
That
shouldn't
be
happening
right.
That's
that's
like
that,
logically
makes
no
sense,
and
so
what
smart
buildings
are
all
about
is
essentially
eliminating
that
energy
waste,
creating
buildings
that
can
communicate
with
the
world
and
can
be
controlled
remotely
and
taking
that
real
environment
and
digitalising
it
I
think
preventive
maintenance
is
a
huge
frontier
in
many
cases.
F
In
order
to
ensure
tenant
comfort,
ownership
groups
will
actually
replace
equipment
before
it's
broken,
because
if
a
chiller
goes
out
or
if
HVAC
goes
out,
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
tenants
that
are
really
upset.
So
they
would
much
rather
kind
of
replace
it
on
a
regular
schedule
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
not
having
this
grunt
old
tenants
but
at
the
same
time
we're
wasting
so
much
of
the
things
that
are
not
necessarily
broken,
and
so
smart
buildings
will
be
ones
that
can
tell
you
you
know.
Oh,
your
HVAC
is
operating.
F
You
know
thirty,
four
percent
less
efficiently
that
it
should
and
it's
likely
going
to
break
in
the
next
four
months.
That
way,
you
can
actually
engage
at
what
point
you
should
be
replacing
that
equipment,
as
opposed
to
just
proactively,
replacing
it
and
throwing
it
out,
and
so
that
happens
across
the
board.
Like
light
bulbs,
get
thrown
out,
HVAC
equipment
gets
thrown
out,
and
so
it
so
it's
about
building
smart
cities
and
smart
buildings
that
are
designed
around
people
as
opposed
to
around
kind
of
the
infrastructure.
A
Thank
you
David.
You
have
clients
who
are
asking
for
green
homes
or
you're
selling
homes
to
folks
that
want
energy-efficient
homes.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
perhaps
what
the
demand
is
and
then
you
said
there
are
some
other
things
that
you
wanted
to
mention
about:
how
your,
how
your
thinking
in
new
ways
about
building
single-family
homes,
yeah.
G
So
all
of
our
all
of
our
projects
are
at
the
passive
house
more
or
less
at
the
passive
house
level
of
efficiency,
so
they're
very
high,
efficient,
highly
efficient
homes,
and
we
found
that
the
cost
difference
is
anywhere
between
seven
and
ten
percent
or
maybe
twelve
percent.
If
it's
a
very
small
house
it,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
that,
but
it's
in
that
range
for
your
front,
end
extra
cost
to
make
a
building.
G
That's
that
efficient
and
what
what
we
found
is
that
we've
been
able
to
reduce
all
the
loads
for
I
mean
heating.
Cooling
is
pretty
much
off
the
table
now
you
know
with
when
you
you've
cut
it
down.
Ninety
percent
now
hot
water
is,
is
almost
off
the
table
in
that
it
after
heating
cooling,
that's
your
big
big
energy
load,
but
now,
with
heat
pump,
I
order
heaters
that
is
drastically
reduced
and
there's
very
interesting
developments
going
on
in
that
technology.
G
G
So
you
know
every
every
10
cars
you're
getting
three
of
them.
So
the
that's
really
not
a
true
equal,
the
true
net
net,
so
I
think.
The
way
to
do
it
is
to
use
the
energy
that
comes
to
your
site.
In
our
case,
solar,
save
it
on
the
site
and
and
not
get
into
that
bargain.
You
can
still
sell
it
when
you
need
it,
but
your
existing,
mostly
on
your
own
energy
and
what's
happening
in
communities
around
the
country.
G
Now
houses
are
banding
together
to
have
community
microgrids
and
so
that
there's
they're,
swapping
energy
among
themselves
and
a
whole
a
whole
new
energy
market
is
developing
in
some
parts
of
the
world
called
transactional
energy,
where
basically,
the
energy
wholesalers
like
a
Dominion
power,
they're
buying
and
selling
energy
to
different
parts
of
the
country,
different
regions.
But
it's
a
vertical
system
vertically
organized
system
now
they're
having
wholesalers
that
are
like
in
New
York,
State
they're
pushing
this
wholesalers
are
now
trading
energy
with
their
customers
as
well.
So
so
the
end
user
is
also
a
generator.
G
Every
house
can
be
an
energy
plant
if
you're,
making
more
than
you're
you're
using
direct
current
is
really
the
secret
to
this
in
the
long
run,
because
everything
that
we
do
in
our
houses
now,
except
maybe
your
old
hair
dryer,
is
native
direct
current.
All
the
lighting
all
LED
lighting
is
late,
is
native
direct.
Current
we've
put
rectifiers
on
it,
so
it
can
live
in
a
DC
in
an
AC
world,
the
the
the
machines
that
run
your
mechanical
system,
all
of
those
motors
are
direct
current
and
they
have
to
have
inverters
to
power.
G
To
rectify
that
energy,
so
pretty
much
everything
in
your
house
is
direct
current
already.
It's
just
that.
We're
not
able
to
use
it
yet,
and
some
really
smart
people
are
working
on
ways
to
do
this,
and
that's,
what's
so
exciting
right
now
to
see
what
they're
developing
we're
working
with
an
outfit
called
volt
server
that
can
now
sell
can
help
package
direct,
current
energy
that
can
actually
power
an
AC
circuit,
so
anything
below
it.
G
A
thousand
watt
draw
can
be
run
by
direct
current,
so
even
the
lights
in
this
room
could
be
run
by
direct
current
through
the
vote.
Server
packaging
of
that
power-
I,
don't
want
to
go
I
could
go
on
too
long
about
that.
But
the
bottom
line
is
that
every
time
your
solar
panel
takes
energy
from
the
Sun,
it
makes
direct
current
energy.
That
energy
goes
through
an
inverter
to
get
to
the
battery
on
the
other
side
of
your
house,
and
then
the
battery
has
to
have
another
in
over
two
store
it
as
a
direct
current.
G
Then,
if
you
want
to
use
that
energy
to
go
to
your
refrigerator
or
something
that
energy
has
to
get
converted
again,
go
to
your
refrigerator
and
convert
it
again.
So
every
time
you
do
this,
there's
loss
in
terms
of
heat
and
with
direct
current
with
a
direct
current
sort
of
mic
infrastructure.
You
you
don't
do
that
and
that's
what
we're
developing
now
so
I
think
it's
going
to
revolutionize
both
how
we
buy
and
sell
energy
on
the
macro
scale,
as
well
as
make
our
houses
much
more
efficient
and
needing
much
less
solar
on
the
roof.
G
G
This
act
is
actually
happening
in
the
third
world,
they're
leapfrogging,
it's
just
like
they
let
frog.
This
was
cellphone
all
right.
They
didn't
have
landlines
to
have
to
worry
about,
so
they
are
everything
all
these
developments
are
really
in
the
third
world.
They're
leading
the
way
India
and
Africa
are
leading
the
way
in
this
and.
D
H
A
Know
we
are
now
that
change
is
huge,
but
the
change
from
where
we
are
now
to
what
David's
talking
about
is
equally
huge
and
Will's.
Many
of
us
will
see
that
in
our
lifetime-
and
that's
that's
phenomenal.
That's
just
amazing.
So,
hang
on
we're
in
for
a
big
ride,
I
think
right.
So
Holly
I
was
gonna.
Ask
a
couple.
Questions
of
the
audience
is
that
are
you
prepared
to
run
around
so
just
just
a
couple,
little
quick
things
before
we
move
on
to
the
talk
about
the
future.
A
C
A
B
F
B
I
I
B
L
D
Schools
are
I,
mean
we're
talking
about
population,
increasing
energy,
increasing
I,
think
schools
are
sort
of
a
perfect
topic
for
that.
We
have
a
very
large
increasing
population
of
children.
It
needs
more
buildings,
many
of
the
Arlington
Public
Schools
are
LEED
certified
buildings
and
schools
are
being
used.
The
actual
buildings
are
being
used
as
tools
to
teach
children
and
it's
phenomenal.
If
you
look
at
Wakefield
High
School,
the
pool
is
heated
by
the
Sun.
The
toilets
are
flushed
by
rainwater.
The
building
itself
is
heated
through
geothermal
from
the
ground.
D
D
It
actually
creates
as
much
power
as
it
uses
in
a
year,
which
was
unthinkable
five
or
ten
years
ago,
and
that
was
just
built
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
you're,
absolutely
right.
Schools
are
the
perfect
spot
to
really
harness
this
literal
and
proverbial
energy
transfer
that
information
to
students
and
help
them
learn
and
schools
are
absolutely
being
used
as
learning
tools
about
sustainability.
About
energy
and
hopefully
going
back
and
nagging
their
parents
about.
F
The
phantom
load
raid-
that's
the
perfect
topic
for
the
month
of
October
phantom
load
right
I,
certainly
seen
that
in
schools.
Actually
through
my
work,
I've
been
engaged
with
a
few
schools.
Why
I
believe
one
in
Arlington
that
bring
in
people
from
the
outside
and
talk
about
sustainability
and
and
energy
conservation
and
I
do
think
that
that
is
something
that
is
actively
being
taught
to
the
children,
especially
through
the
leave
program.
E
H
F
Actually
have
some
feedback
on
that,
generally
speaking,
you're
better
off
heating
the
space
through
your
HVAC
than
using
a
local
like
local
heater
you're,
always
much
better
off
doing
that.
However,
if
you
do
want
to
test
it,
and
your
son
is
interested
in
figuring
this
out,
there's
this
really
cool
tool-
it's
called
sense,
and
so
you
can
actually
it's
pretty
easy
to
deploy.
F
You
can
hook
it
up
to
your
panel,
your
breaker
panel
and
you're
in
your
home,
and
it
will
actually
feed
information
straight
to
your
smart
phone
about
what
each
breaker
is
consuming
and
you
can
actually
see
how
your
how
much
energy
is
consumed
by
your
humidifier
in
your
local
space
heater
and
make
that
evaluation.
Obviously,
you
know
if
you're
gonna
crank
up
the
temperature
from
sixty
degrees
to
72.
That's
probably
going
to
be
a
really
big
jump
in
your
overall
heating
and
then
depends
on
the
size
of
your
space.
D
K
Think
helpful,
if
the
county
could
either
encourage
our
principal
supplier,
Dominion
Electric,
or
have
them
broadcast
more
publicly
the
fact
they
offer
tariffs,
that
are
timed
tariffs,
and
this
may
not
help
overall
usage,
but
it
certainly
helps
the
cost
of
electricity.
I
I
went
on
a
time
tariff
three
years
ago
and
it
encourages
you
to
do
your
laundry
at
nighttime
and
your
dishwashing
at
nighttime
and
charge
my
electric
car
at
nighttime
and
and
yet
not
many
seem.
People
seem
to
be
aware
of
the
of
the
difference
in
tariffs
that
are
available
and
I.
B
A
good
question:
let
me
follow
up
on
that.
That's
something
I
was
thinking
about,
I
mean
what
is
the
role
of
government
in
this
I
mean
you
know.
The
air
program
is
an
amazing
things,
but
there's
not
that
adoption
across
the
county
and
we
talked
about
smart
thermostats
and
how
they
might
be
something
to
use.
We
give
up
smoke
detectors.
We
don't
give
out,
you
don't
give
out
smart
thermostat
yeah
I
mean
how
do
what
is
government's
role
in
that
idea
of
business.
The
tariffs
I
mean
what
you
were
talking
about.
B
It's
so
important
I
mean
they
can
be
positive,
negative
inclinations
weight
basis.
It
will.
If
you
don't
get
reached
a
certain
level
of
energy
usage,
then
maybe
you
pay
more
attaches
I,
don't
in.
If
you
do,
is
in
a
positive
way,
we
can
encourage
and
incentivize
people
to
adopt
this
I'm.
Just
wondering
am
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
case,
I'm
not.
D
Suggesting
we
raise
taxes
I
like
my
job,
but
but
it's
really
interesting,
because
I
think
if
we
look
at
the
digital
destiny,
we
look
at
the
advent
of
Technology
I.
Think
where
we're
going
is
that
all
of
our
devices,
our
refrigerators,
our
dishwashers,
our
televisions?
They
will
all
have
chips
in
them.
They
will
all
connect
to
the
internet.
The
grid
itself
has
historically
been
a
pretty
dumb
grid
and
a
dumb
meter
and-
and
these
types
of
incentives
may
actually
just
do
it-
do
themselves
by
themselves.
D
They
will
turn
on
and
turn
off,
based
on
time
of
day
tariffs,
time
of
day
pricing,
as
we
move
into
a
period
where
more
electric
cars
come
about,
there
will
be
incentives
for
when
you
charge
your
electric
car
in
many
ways,
I
think
that
the
market
is
moving
things
we're
seeing
again
more
of
those
processors
and
Internet
connected
devices
over
the
next
10
years.
I
expect
that
many
of
those
things
will
be
talking
to
each
other,
making
decisions
on
your
behalf
to
actually
save
energy
David.
B
You
were
talking
earlier
about
buildings
that
are
you're
building
a
building.
Now
it's
going
to
be
really
a
one
of
a
kind
in
terms
of
energy
efficiency.
Is
that
would
you
see
foresee
that,
in
this
in
the
near
future,
that
buildings
will
be
homes
will
be
certified
as
being
energy-efficient
and
that'll
actually
raise
the
value
of
the
property?
What
people
will
be
saying
what's
like
buying
a
car?
Does
CARFAX
approve
it?
Do
we
have
this
signal?
Do
they
have
this
stamp
on
it?
G
E
G
Energy
rating
system
of
its
energy
efficiency.
So
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
label
like
lead
or
a
passive
house,
but
it's
a
it's
a
very
accurate
measure
of
how
efficient
that
house
is,
and
people
pay
attention
to
that
because
it's
their
pocketbook
and
as
far
as
the
as
far
as
that,
the
tariffs
on
energy
I
think
that's
all
part
of
this
transactional
energy
revolution.
That's
going
to
happen.
G
I
mean
people
are
going
to
be
taking
control
of
the
energy
that
they
they
created
and
that
when
they
buy
it
and
it'll
be
done
electronically
kind
of
behind
the
behind
the
screen.
But
they
won't.
They
will
be
programs
that'll
decide
when
you
take
when
you
sell
that
energy
and
when
you,
when
you
can
get
the
best
price
for
it,
so
it's
gonna
be
a
whole
nother
economy
and
I
know
very
little
about
it.
But
I
know
that
it's
I
think
the
Bitcoin
world
is
sort
of
part
of
that.
G
C
Want
to
ask
us
a
question
from
Facebook
I
want
to
ask.
This
goes
back
to
tu
Adam
on
the
community
energy
plan
and
it's
someone
who
lives
in
a
condo
and
they're
saying
you
normally
condos
include
electrical
energy
costs.
Actually,
maybe
Anna
using
this
may
be
part
for
you
too,
but
it
seems
to
create
a
lack
of
importance
of
being
energy-efficient
because
you're
paying
one
set
fee.
E
D
D
Certainly
an
issue.
We've
we've
dealt
with.
We
worked
with
condo
associations
to
really
work
retrofitting
the
buildings,
so
central
common
areas,
lighting
retrofits
garage,
retrofits,
all
those
sorts
of
things
and
really
working
within
the
homeowner
association,
so
working
in
a
way
where
the
building
thinks
more
strategically
about
its
asset
and
makes
changes
to
reduce
the
costs
and
also
directly
working
with
your
Civic
Association,
to
communicate
to
residents
even
door
hangers
basic
metrics.
D
As
Joan
said,
you
can't
manage
what
you
can't
measure
making
sure
everyone
knows
what
the
water
use
is
making
sure
everyone
knows
what
the
water
cost
is.
The
energy
cost
is
and
handing
out
things
like
aerators
for
residents
that
cost,
maybe
50
cents
but
reduce
energy
and
the
energy,
the
energy
associate
with
hot
water
and
the
cost
of
water
and
sewer
rates
and
those
sorts
of
things
that
really
bring
things
down,
and
then
let
residents
know
give
them
a
feedback
loop.
When
things
are
reducing
some
of
the
things
we've
done,
yeah.
F
I
think
that
if
I
had
to
respond
to
to
that,
you
have
two
options:
one
is
vote
with
your
feet.
Right
pick
up
and
move.
If
you
disagree
with
the
concept
of
paying
for
resources
that
you're
not
consuming,
that's
something
I
did
I
was
being
charged
for
water
consumption,
while
I
was
living
in
college
over
summer
break
when
I
wasn't
even
in
town.
So
you
know
that
seemed
kind
of
weird
and
illogical,
so
I
moved
if
you're
living
in
a
condo,
then
a
lot
of
times.
F
So
it
is
something
that
you
can
certainly
do
by
getting
your
condo
board
to
approve
a
retrofit
and
and
purchase
sub
meters,
and
then,
if
you
guys
are
looking
from
Arlington
County's
perspective,
to
provide
a
new
incentive-
maybe
you
know
incentivizing,
deploying
electric
or
water
sub
meters
is
is
something
that
is
certainly
I
believe
that
you
should
be
in
charge
of
your
own
destiny
in
terms
of
what
is
your
energy
consumption
and
how
you're
consuming
that
and
sharing
it
with
other
people
probably
does
not
create
the
proper
incentives
to
reduce
energy
consumption.
There's.
G
A
I
was
talking
on
that
subject:
I
was
talking
to
a
developer
last
week
about
this,
and
he
told
me
a
very
interesting
solution.
Some
developers
are
using
or
owners
of
buildings
that
are
centrally
metered
their
submetering
and
then
they're
giving
rebates.
So
every
month
people
who
are
using
under
the
average
are
getting
a
rebate
check,
and
so
it's
providing
an
incentive
and
also
a
certain
amount
of
pride
gets
involved
in
that
too.
So
it
said
it
actually
works
quite
well
to
get
this
competition
going.
Yeah.
D
And
on
a
per-square-foot
basis,
we've
seen
water
and
sewer
rates,
be
the
high
cost
items
in
multifamily
we've
seen
some
condo
association
just
give
out.
$100
rebates
to
people
who
install
WaterSense,
toilets
or
showerheads
have
actually
just
given
out
LED
light
bulbs
just
to
really
move
things.
Move
them
quickly,
get
things
approved
through
the
condo
association.
E
G
J
H
G
F
G
G
I
mean
most
of
these
systems
are
our
plug-and-play
I
mean
it
Madonna.
Think
about
what
system
you
put
in
if
you're
thinking
of
taking
it
with
you,
but
you
know
they
set
up
a
rack
on
a
roof.
It's
modular,
the
solar
panels
are
modular
and
the
ones
we're
using
now
they
just
plug
into
a
it's
a
it's,
a
simple
wire
connection.
They
kind
of
plug
one
wire
into
another,
so
I
think
the
danger
would
be
somebody
going
up
there
and
stealing
it,
but
it's
so
easy
to
take
down
yeah.
D
And
about
the
hotel
question
going
back
that
quickly,
I,
don't
think
I
know
anyone
who's
ever
been
to
a
hotel
and
had
that
and
thought.
Oh,
this
is
terrible,
it's
more
of
like.
Why
doesn't
everyone
have
this?
It
seems
like
one
of
these
common
sensical
things
that,
if
you
could
in
your
house,
have
one
switch.
D
Why
wouldn't
you
it
simplifies
everything,
but
it
also
just
points
out
just
how
much
energy
we're
wasting
and
just
how
easy
it
could
be
to
create
a
system
or
create
a
mechanism
in
our
home
or
elsewhere,
where
we
can
literally
flip
the
switch
pull
a
key
and
all
the
non
important
loads.
Maybe
you
have
a
green
and
a
red
socket
on
your
outlets.
All
the
green
ones
can
go
off.
You
know
it
should
be
pretty
simple.
G
The
company
that
that
we're
working
with
now
on
a
smart
with
a
smart
house
designing
that
into
a
house,
I
asked
them
for
some
rough
numbers
about
cost
of
what
it
costs
to
what
is
the
range
of
cost
and
it's
usually
around
2%.
They
said
to
fully
kind
of
equip
your
house
and
you
probably
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
do
residential
work
at
that
level,
but
around
2%
of
the
construction
cost
of
the
house
is
is
what
it
would
take
to
do
that,
and
he
also
pointed
out
that
they
had
a
ma.
M
M
On
Evans
question,
our
net
metering
Kevin
wreath
installed
a
4.6
kilowatt
solar
system
about
seven
years
ago,
and
our
favorite
thing
is
to
watch
the
meter
go
backwards
in
literally
goes
in
reverse
and
and
in
addition,
at
that
time,
their
utilities
were
buying
solar,
renewable
energy,
credit,
SRECs
rial.
So,
in
addition
to
the
benefit
we
get
from
the
reduced
power
bills,
we
also
get
cheques
quarterly
from
basically
had
sold
those
credits,
and
you
know
three-digit
three-digit
checks.
It's
a
it's
nice
to
get
those
adding
the
benefits.
I'm.
N
N
You
have
to
reduce
before
you
produce
I've
been
in
this
energy
efficiency
world
for
about
35
years
and
I've
done
bits
and
pieces
of
all
of
it,
and
if
you
don't
minimize
your
energy
use,
your
your
you've
really
made
a
bad
mistake
so
reduce
before
you
produce
I.
Do
a
lot
of
HVAC
consulting
work
and
been
in
that
world
for
a
little
bit
and
I
was
in
a
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago
at
akka,
where
the
discussions
shifted
over
to
who
is
putting
in
the
sensors
throughout
the
house.
N
That
will
enable
you
to
see
what
the
hell's
going
on
and
the
nest
of
the
world
and
and
the
honeywell's
they
they're,
not
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
going
into
your
house
and
installing
these
these
pieces
of
equipment
that
can
help
communicate.
It'll
be
your
HVAC
technician
and
they
are
sitting
on
a
minefield
that
they're
slowly
recognizing
for
every
for
HVAC,
guys
and
they're.
All
about
my
age
wanted
to
get
the
hell
out
of
the
business.
N
Only
one
is
coming
in
you're
going
to
see
a
tremendous
predicament
in
all
the
trades,
but
particularly
the
HVAC
industry,
but
not
enough
people
coming
in,
because
it's
hard
dirty
nasty
work
and
they
might
be
motivated
if
they're,
installing
sensors
doing
security
putting
these
devices
that
can
help
a
the
communication.
So
if
there's
this
is
job
opportunity
here.
That
is
really
needed
and
I
love
to
see
or
ellington
kind
of
kind
of
be
on
the
leading
edge
of
that.
So.
B
Taking
that
line,
I
think
that's
a
great
segue
to
talking
about
the
future.
That's
exactly
the
problem.
I
put
nest,
thermostats
in
my
house
and
I
found
it.
The
HVAC
guy
didn't
know
how
to
do
it
and
he
called
me
and
says:
what
do
you
think
I
should
do
so?
We
went
to
the
website.
Looked
up
how
to
install
it.
He
said:
oh
I,
guess
you
can
do
it
this
way
and
then
we
got
it
working
and
we
put
the
wink
in
and
it
controls
the
lights
and
then
we've
got
something
else.
B
That's
controlling
something
else
in
our
house:
the
water
levels,
the
quality
of
water
and
guess
what
happens
it
becomes
outdated.
They
keep
updating
the
software,
the
equipment,
changes
and
then,
within
a
few
few
years,
you've
stuck
with
outdated
technology
that
you
just
don't
know
what
to
do,
because
it
kind
of
worked
a
good
idea
right.
B
My
daughter's
name
now
right,
I
had
a
number
to
it
or
whatever
security
issue
back
in
November,
so
I'm
gonna.
Take
you
into
the
future.
Now
have
this
discussion
so
starting
off
we're
doing
all
this,
not
because
we
got
nothing
better
to
do
right,
we're
doing
it
because
there's
a
problem,
this
I
hear
is
a
problem,
although
I'm
not
sure
when
I
listen
to
the
news
of
from
a
cover
administration,
there
is
no
problem.
B
Everything's
fine
and
you
guys
are
overstating
the
problem.
I
want
to
ask
you
to
you
that.
Are
we
overstating
it?
We
do.
We
have
an
environmental
problem
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
Is
this
something
that's
my
granddaughter's
grandkids
are
gonna
have
to
address?
If
we
don't
do
it
now,
David,
yes,
I.
F
C
F
But
yeah
I
think
that
you
know
we
have
a
huge
problem
of
waste
for
sure
I
mean
the
amount
of
packaging.
The
amount
of
things
that
I
produce
in
my
in
my
household
is
a
single
sole
living
there.
It
is
phenomenal,
so
I
do
think
we
have
a
huge
waste
problem.
It
is
absolutely
seen
in
every
household
and
the
workplace
and
anything
that
that
energy
is
is
one
of
those
places
that
you
know
we're
just
wasting
so
much
and
it's
not
efficiently
set
up,
and
you
know
for
all
the
things
that
we
blame.
F
The
government
for
I
encourage
you
all
to
go
ahead
and
take
the
lead
on
your
own
journey
to
make
your
homes
Raziel
resilient
and
actually
do
something
to
improve
the
situation,
as
opposed
to
just
sort
of
like
complain
about
it
on
Facebook,
right,
I'm.
Sure
that
you
know
that's
that's
one
of
the
ways
to
get
us
started,
but
but
ultimately
I
do
believe.
We
have
a
problem.
It's
a
big
one
and
I
and
I
do
think
that
it
jeopardizes
the
future
of
our
own
children
and
and
grandkids
and.
D
The
numbers
that
I'm
familiar
with
say
that
by
2050
we
need
to
double
the
amount
of
energy
generation
that
we
have
now
so
sort
of
putting
the
impacts
aside.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
the
solutions
are
going
to
be,
and
businesses
doesn't
look
like
the
way
to
go
more
transmission
lines,
more
power
plants,
more
coal,
both
from
an
economic
health,
environmental
standpoint.
There
are
just
better
ways
of
doing
it.
D
D
B
So,
like
you
all,
are
jettison
your
past
experiences
and
I
start
thinking
about
what
might
happen.
What's
the
future
going
to
look
like
I've
heard,
something
called
a
clothesline
effect
talked
about
it
the
other
day.
Well,
no,
but
the
clothesline
effect
is
we
encourage
people
to
leave
the
clothesline
and
take
the
clothes
inside
that
and
use
washer
use,
dryers
or
electric
washers,
whatever
make
sure
the
energy
efficient,
yet
I'm
told
talking
about
sources
of
energy
that
the
Sun
in
one
hour
generates
8,000
times
the
amount
of
power
needed
by
all
of
mankind
in
a
year.
B
I,
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
but
that's
what
I
heard.
If
that's
the
case,
what's
the
future
gonna
look
like
is
where's
that
source
of
energy
going
to
come
from?
Is
it
the
AC?
Is
it
the
DC
model
you
go
to
that?
Is
it
so
low
and
we
bi
never
totally
and
say
that's
the
way
to
go
battery
technology
is
changing
rapidly
economy
electric
vehicles
five
years
ago,
five
years
ago,
there's
probably
two
companies
making
electric
vehicles
today,
there's
not
a
automotive
company
in
the
world.
It's
not
planning
for
electric
vehicles.
G
G
G
It
just
opens
your
mind
up
to
what
is
coming
and-
and
it
all
has
to
do,
I
think
with
this
revolution
in
cost
of
generating
energy,
it's
going
to
be
in
2020,
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
to
generate
energy
than
to
transport
energy,
and
that's
that
Dominion
power
can't
change
that
that
is,
that
is
just
gonna.
Be
economics.
Gonna
drive
it
from
that
point.
F
Yeah
I
think
that
if
I
had
to
follow,
follow
that
statement,
fundamentally
we
are
looking
at
an
environment
where
lots
of
things
are
driverless.
Cars
are
gonna
change.
The
way
cities
operate
the
way
we
build
and
create
property,
for
example,
in
DC.
Historically,
you
were
not
able
to
build
property
in
unless
you
had
parking
slotted
into
that,
and
and
actually
the
city's
done
away
with
that,
and
so
you
can
actually
build
property
without
allocating
any
parking
to
that.
F
F
You
are
dependent
on
Dominion
I'm,
so
storing
that
energy
is
extremely
important
and
so
I
would
actually
encourage
a
lot
of
you
to
consider
how
to
how
to
actually
create
technologies
that
will
well
fix
our
storage
and
and
creation
energy
generation
problems
and
then
also
vote
for
policies
that
encourage
financial
investment
into
these
type
of
things.
Technologies
and
rich
research.
I
also
think
that
to
an
earlier
question
about
you
know
your
technology
becoming
really
rapidly
absolute
I
can
tell
you
the
future.
F
Jobs
lie
in
control
and
technology,
they
don't
lie
and
and
producing
widgets
or
doing
things
that
require
manual
labor
or
anything
like
that.
They
will
lie
in
controlling
technology
and
when
the
P
lighting
that
technology.
So
if
you
choose
to
avoid
to
learn
this
technology
now
you're
only
kind
of
inhibiting
your
ability
to
be,
you
know
productive
and
employable.
F
In
the
future
and
I
think
that
with
driverless
cars,
the
amount
of
people
that
I'm
seeing
that
essentially
will
have
to
learn
to
do
something
else,
other
than
drive
vehicles
right,
so
learning
the
technology
experiencing
this
technology,
implementing
it
trying
to
figure
it
out,
trying
to
implement
it,
testing
it
and
creating.
It
is
really
the
only
way
that
I
see
the
future
will
play
out
right.
So
that's
that's
where
the
money
should
go,
is
funding
training
and
also
new
tools.
Adam.
D
Things
are
changing
quickly,
I
mean
we're
talking
about
driverless
cars
and
just
a
couple
days
ago
we
saw
if
anyone's
familiar
with
enviro
cab.
It
was
Arlington
first
hybrid
carbon-
cab
company
in
Arlington,
and
it
started
eight
years
ago
and
just
closed
about
a
week
ago,
according
to
Errol
now,
and
that
in
that,
in
that
space,
eight
years
open,
closed
and
I.
D
Think
I
haven't
seen
that
video,
but
it
makes
sense
to
me
I
think
when
I
look
at
Arlington
is
net
zero
energy
school
when
I
look
at
the
changes
that
are
happening,
it's
happening
so
incrementally
it's
hard
for
me
to
process
it,
but
when
I
step
back
and
think
about
solar
panels
on
connected
to
a
car,
that's
electric
that
has
a
huge
battery
car-sharing
technology.
All
these
things
I
see
how
that
isn't
that
far
and
I
think.
Ultimately,
there
is
no
silver
bullet,
it
isn't
just
solar,
but
it's
silver
buckshot.
D
It's
all
of
these
things,
its
efficiency,
its
renewable
as
its
wind,
its
solar,
it's
all
of
it
together.
That's
that's!
Creating
our
future
faster
than
we
can
see
it.
2020
2025
driverless
cars,
sound
great
I,
have
a
five
and
two
year
old
you're.
Just
thinking
go
to
play
date,
you
know
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
He's
gonna
see
you
talk
about
resiliency,
and
are
you
talking
about
the
fact
that
Puerto
Rico
there's
someplace
in
Puerto
Rico,
the
mayor
is
Puerto
Rico
yeah
last
night
was
saying
on
MSNBC
that
there
were
some
places
that
have
had
not
power
for
72
days:
okay,
fast
forward,
it's
the
future.
It
is
2030.
B
D
C
G
Actually,
as
as
far
as
Puerto
Rico,
that
has
started
a
big
discussion
in
Puerto
Rico
about
microgrids,
they
are
looking
into
it,
as
you
all
may
have
read.
Elon
Musk
has
donated
lots
of
batteries
to
keep
get
the
hospital
up,
so
I
think
they
learned
a
really
good
lesson
about
resiliency
and
being
independent
of
one
big
central
grid
and
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
the
other
side.
To
this
I
mean
there
are
some.
G
There
are
some
clouds
in
all
this
excitement
and
they're
they're
really
too
acronyms
one
is
EMP
and
one
is
EMF
and
I
think
people
are
beginning
to
take
that
seriously.
Emps
are
electromagnetic
pulses,
which
can
be
released
by
the
Sun
by
solar,
flares
or
by
a
nuclear
device
in
the
atmosphere
and
I
know.
Our
government
is
very
concerned
about
it.
In
fact,
I
think
it's
this
weekend
that
there
is
a
conference
among
many
disciplines
in
it
I
think
it's
called
the
DuPont
conference
in
DC
bringing
lots
of
heads
together
to
see.
G
How
can
we
make
our
government
in
our
government
buildings
and
our
buildings
in
communities
more
resilient
to
things
like
that,
because
we
get
we're
getting
so
dependent
on
electronics
in
one's
app
I
read
in
this
is
in
two
places:
I
read
this:
maybe
they
were
both
quoting
the
original
source,
but
90%
of
our
population
would
starve.
If
a
electromagnetic
pulse
was
released
over
the
central
part
of
this
country
because
it
would
shut
down
transportation,
the
whole
food
network,
every
communications,
so
we're
so
dependent
on
these
things.
G
G
The
european
community
has
one
number
for
what
safe
for
you,
your
exposure
and
the
FCC
has
another
number.
The
factor
of
difference
between
those
numbers
is
a
million
no.
In
other
words,
the
FCC
says
basically,
don't
worry
about
it
and
the
european
community
is
very
concerned
about
it
and
and
it's
it
it's
making.
Our
lives
so
easy,
but
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
it
and
I'm
trying
to
start
educating
myself
about.
What's
true
and
what's
not
true
about
it,
so
I
I'm
just
on
that
road
right
now,
mm-hmm.
G
F
Well
I
was
gonna
say
that
it
sounds
like
smart
buildings
are
the
way
to
go
vertical
farms
and
making
sure
that
you're,
you
know
creating
your
own
little
island
outside
of
a
set
of
being
connected
and
independent
on
a
lot
of
the
environment.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
the
American
dream
depends
on
us
being
able
to
be
in
control
of
our
own
lives
and
control
of
where
we
source
power
food.
Things
like
that
and
I
think
it's
it's
really
time
to
think
about
that.
F
F
I
think
it
goes
back
to
all
of
that
is
being
better
educated,
more
reasonable
about
your
energy
consumption
testing,
out
things
like
checking
out
of
the
the
the
library
to
test
out
things
and
identifying
the
efficiency
in
your
homes
and
then
continue
to
start
to
build
on
that
resiliency
because
they
I
think
that
you
know
the
planet
will
continue
to
be
fine
and
and
like
it'll
live
on
for
millennia
actress
and
the
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
today.
The
environmental
challenges
the
hurricanes,
the
other
things.
F
Why
are
we
thinking
that
the
government
is
going
to
come
back
and
like
all
of
a
sudden,
regulate
utilities
and
encourage
them
to
do
this?
I
mean
they're
they're
in
such
a
predicament?
How
do
we
expect
them
to
to
save
on
energy
consumption
and
still
be
motivated
to
provide
us
with
a
great
service?
So
I
think
that
taking
control
of
that
and
in
your
own
way,
through
your
own
homes,
is
something
that
we
should
all
be
thinking
about.
So.
B
I
want
a
lot
of
rough
time
for
audience.
Questions
but
I
shot
could
have
two
shot
clock
questions
I'm
going
to
ask.
So
that's
the
first
one
that
audience
ask
questions
and
then
come
back
with
my
last
shot
card
question
some
people
there's
a
body
of
thought.
This
says
you
can
reduce
all
the
carbon
emissions
you
want
and
we
can
be
as
successful
as
you
want
and
meet
our
goals
of
2050,
but
it's
too
late.
In
fact,
the
environment
has
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
save
the
environment.
B
Unless
we
understand
we've
got
a
shield
the
world
from
the
ultraviolet
rays
that
are
coming
down
on
it
and
there
are
thoughts
about
putting
up
clouds
balloons
for
shields
getting
UV
sun
glasses
for
the
you
had
a
4-hour
station
which
I
have
had
at
some
sort
of
a
sense
of
what
that
means.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that
is
that
true?
Are
we
at
that?
Have
we
reached
that
inflection
point
where,
despite
our
best
efforts
to
wait
and
I
guess
shot-clock
answer?
Yes,
no
and
I
think.
F
You
know
believer
and
me
believes
that
there
there
are
things
that
we
can
continue
to
do
and
persevere.
So
I
would
say
that
you
know:
will
it
be
the
same
as
it
has
been?
Probably
not
but
like,
should
we
give
up
and
just
you
know,
live
out
our
days
and
then
just
continue
to
not
do
anything
about
it?
No
I,
don't
think
that's
the
answer,
but
you
know
I
think
you
should
do
something
about
it.
I
think.
H
D
O
Hi
I
just
wanted
to
well
thank
everyone
for
the
discussion.
That's
been
interesting.
The
point
I
would
emphasize.
Is
we
don't
know
the
future?
We
can't
know
the
future,
but
I
think
we
can
be
confident
that
the
pace
of
change
is
gonna
use
seem
very
fast
and
that,
in
terms
of
achieving
energy
saving
it
comes
down
to
all
the
new
technologies
are
coming
out.
Can
we
incorporate
them?
Can
our
companies
change?
Can
people's
life
change?
O
The
difficulty
with
change
is
often
that
people
don't
have
enough
Economic
Security
to
accommodate
the
change.
You
know
companies
gonna
get
shut
down,
they're
out,
well,
they're,
not
able
to
get
the
education
to
be
training;
they
need
the
time
so
those
two
things
increasing
Economic
Security
and
increasing
the
ability
to
train.
That's
a
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
as
a
nation,
not
as
our
ellington
I
know,
we're
limiting
that,
but
I
think
we
can.
O
B
L
F
Great
question:
that's
a
great
question:
I
think
that
you
know
we
continue
to
be
to
expose
ourselves
further
and
further
to
to
technology
and
I.
Don't
think
that
there's
a
way
to
revert
from
that,
we
can't
we
can't
walk
away.
We
just
sort
of
have
to
face
that
that
aspect
of
the
reality
and
I
can
tell
you
that
in
many
ways,
a
way
to
start
on
that
is
personal
security.
Hygiene
I
think
that
you
had
earlier
mentioned
that
you
know
your
password.
F
That's
a
question
that
comes
up
a
lot
for
us
when,
when
we
deploy
sensors
and
buildings
and
collect
this
data-
and
you
know
the
way
we
we
talk
about
it
is
you
know
we
we
service.
Let's
say:
Facebook
is
one
of
our
customers
and
they
put
us
through
the
wringer
I
mean
they.
They
really
took
us.
There
I
had
not
seen
a
security
question
there.
Quite
that,
deep
with
that
many
people
in
the
room,
you
know.
F
B
Okay
last
question:
we
have
a
minute
left
here
before
we
close
down
in
front
right
here.
Ten
years
from
now,
it's
2027
I
think
so
that's
the
David
Mann
right.
It's
November
the
30th
I'm
like
to
get
home.
What's
the
one
thing
you're
reflecting
on
this
meeting,
you
guys
meet
someplace
when
the
restaurant
and
you're
talking
about
the
remember
that
digital
destiny
discussion
we
had
what's
the
one
thing
you
wish
you
should
have
could
have
brought
up
tonight.
Did
you
I.
F
Think
that,
ten
years
from
now,
when
I
look
back
on
this
date
and
wish
I
had
known
something
about
today
that
I
had
thought
about
something
that
I
should
bring
out,
but
I
didn't.
It
would
be
taking
action.
I
think
that
way
too
often
do
I
see
panels
that
are
similar
to
this.
That
encouraged
me
to
take
action.
They
sort
of
go
home
and
you
know
proceed
to
go
to
my
regular
routine
and
you
know,
drop
off
my
slippers
on
the
side
or
you
know,
put
my
charge
my
phone
and
do
nothing.
F
I
think
that
if
there
was
one
thing
that
I
I
wanted
to
say
is
do
something
don't
do
all
the
things
that's
gonna
be
overwhelming,
but
do
something
like
figure
out
what
is
maybe
getting
census
as
your
as
your
story,
maybe
getting
a
quote
from
a
solar
panel.
Installer
is
your
thing,
maybe
watching
a
youtube,
video
about
how
to
install
a
nest
thermostat
and
you
can
learn
a
lot
of
things
on
YouTube
I
mean
seriously,
don't
got
to
go
to
college
for
all
the
YouTube
content,
that's
out
there,
but
do
something
about
it.
F
I
mean
that's.
That's
probably
one
of
the
things
and
I
think
that
if
I
were
to
be
10
years
from
now
on
that
lunch,
I
would
love
somebody
to
start
something
that
was
like.
You
know
what
I
saw
this
digital
destiny
panel
and
they
encouraged
me
to
do
something
and
I
did
and
Here
I
am
managing
a
billion-dollar
company
that
that's
doing
this
thing
like
that
to
me,
I
would
I
would
die
in
peace,
Adam.
D
For
me,
I
love
nature,
so
all
of
this
talk
of
digital
hurts
a
bit
because
it
feels
isolated
from
the
built-in
from
from
the
natural
world
and
I
just
hope
that
as
communities
continue
to
evolve,
that
cities
become
functionally
indistinguishable
from
nature.
The
buildings
are
heated
by
the
ground:
they
catch
the
rainwater
they
use
it
for
flushing.
They
use
the
Sun
for
for
water
heating
and
for
powering
homes,
and
ultimately,
we
come
to
a
place
where
and
we've
come
to
a
place
over
these
ten
years
or
that
I
was
able
to
impart
in
myself
today.
G
David
I
think
that's
beautifully,
said:
yeah,
I,
I
think
10
years.
It
would
be
nice
to
look
back
and
say
you
know
we.
We
realize
that
we
should
have
realized
that
technology
wasn't
going
to
solve
our
problems
it.
It
really
has
never
solved
our
problems
with
it.
It
it
brings
its
it's
a
double
edged
sword
and
that,
but
we
stopped
consuming
as
much
and
I
think
I.