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A
B
You
I
signed
up
anyway,
so
I
just
wanted
to
alert
everyone
to
the
fact
that
Armin
with
seven
co-sponsors,
okay,
is
sponsoring
a
talk
by
Professor
Bernard
blousey
from
Cornell
University
on
dear
he's,
one
of
the
at
least
the
East
Coast's.
Most
prominent
expert
in
this
area.
He's
done
scientific
studies
on
tree
Rejuvenation
to
study
the
impact
of
geographs
on
red,
seedling,
re-uh
repopulation
that
he's
done,
work
on
sterilization
and
other
different
management
strategies.
So
it's
going
to
be
I,
think
a
very
informative
program,
so
I
encourage
everyone
to
come.
B
A
Okay
good,
thank
you
very
much
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
everyone
so
that
our
speaker
will
know
who's
here.
Mr
Mary!
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
We
really
appreciate
it
with
the
forestry
Natural
Resource
Commission
Joan,
the
Joe
McIntyre,
chair
of
the
climate
change
energy
and
environment,
Commission,
Jill,
Barker,
Vice,
chair
of
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission.
A
And
Mary
we
already
introduced
and
I'm
Jennifer
Soules
I'm
socialist,
with
the
natural
resource
unit
and
so
we're
missing.
I
know
two
of
our
other
chairs
of
the
Park
and
Recreation
commissions.
She's
out
of
the
country
and
the
fourth
year
announced
Resource
Commission,
Phil
klingelhofer
is
also
out
of
the
country
and
I
know
a
couple
other
weird
conflicts.
So
we're
a
small
group
tonight.
But
we're
really
appreciate
you
being
here
with
us
to
talk
about
this
topic,
that's
near
and
dear
to
a
lot
of
our
hearts.
A
So,
as
I
said,
we're
pretty
informal
and
oh
Jen,
if
you're
ready,
I
believe
is
also
on.
Do
you
wanna
introduce
yourself
then.
D
Sure,
yes,
Jennifer
free
ready,
deputy
director
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
just
here
to
listen
and
learn
thanks.
A
Okay,
so
Mr
Mary
I've
is
the
chief
of
the
Inspections
Division
for
the
Department
of
Community
planning,
Housing
and
Development
for
Arlington
County
and
we've
had
some
conversations
with
the
chairs
of
the
Park
and
Recreation
Commission.
The
Forester
announced
Resource
Commission
and
the
climate
change
and
environment
energy.
I
always
said
that
wrong
energy
and
environment
commission.
A
So
anyway,
this
is
a
follow-on
to
that.
So
we're
looking
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
to
make
changes
to
Article
2
Section
10
of
the
ordinance
to
somehow
accommodate
managed
natural
landscape.
So
I
told
Mr
Mary
that
we
didn't
need
a
formal
presentation,
but
we
just
want
to
hear
from
him
as
to
what
would
make
the
most
sense
for
next
steps
and
sort
of
what
what
his
thinking
is
along
that
line.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
E
Well,
thank
you.
Everybody!
It's
pleasure
to
be
here
with
you,
as
as
I
was
introduced,
I'm
the
Chief
Building
official
for
Arlington
County
and,
as
part
of
that,
I'm
also
recently
were
appointed
as
a
property
maintenance
official.
E
So
let
me
just
give
explanation:
property
maintenance
code
enforcement
has
been
under
my
part
of
my
division
for
the
past
16
and
a
half
years
that
I've
been
here,
but
before
I
joined
here
there
was
officially
a
property
maintenance
official
that
was
here
prior
to
me
and
that
position
actually
reported
to
me
as
one
of
my
team
manager,
section
Chiefs
for
that
matter
by
the
way
I'm
going
to
pause
for
a
minute,
Jennifer
you're,
not
here,
just
to
learn
things.
E
Put
it
both
on
this
Jennifer
fioretti,
okay,
so
just
give
her
a
heads
up
on
that,
one
so
upon
the
property,
mentors
official,
County
Manager,
appoint
me
as
a
property
maintenance
official
as
well
as
building
official
and
no
I,
didn't
get
any
pay
raise,
but
additional
responsibilities,
although
I
oversaw
that
unit,
but
one
of
the
things
I
started
doing-
and
this
is
fairly
new
about
four
or
five
months
ago.
This
happened.
E
One
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
do
is
you
know,
would
you
go
to
the
building
because
I
just
want
to?
Let
you
guys
there
is
there
is.
There
is
a
kind
of
separation
of
church
and
state
for
for
lack
of
better
term.
You
know
I
I,
enforce
the
state
building
building
code,
the
property
maintenance
official
in
in
that
case
enforce
the
Virginia
maintenance
code.
So,
while
that
that
position
reported
to
me,
I
couldn't
really
tell
that
person.
What
to
do.
E
I
could
deal
with
the
personal
issue,
the
organization
issue,
but
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
enforcement
adaptation
you
know
there
was
that
separation
exists.
The
same
way,
I
always
say:
I
have
a
separation
and
I
often
talk
to
the
leaders
in
the
organization.
I
said
you
know
I'm
kind
of
quite
a
constitutional
on
the
side,
although
I
report
to
everybody-
but
you
know
my
job-
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
different
because
it's
established
by
the
state
law,
so
I
don't
want
to
belabor
that
point
that
much.
E
But
the
point
was
when
I,
when
I
took
over
about
four
or
five
months
ago,
at
this
additional
role,
I
wanted
to
look
at
all
the
standards.
Obviously
State
Building
Code
is
established
in
Richmond.
So
we
don't
have
that
too
much
say
in
that
one.
But
in
terms
of
some
of
the
local
ordinances,
one
was
chapter
10,
Kara
premise
that
was
assigned
to
a
code
enforcement
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
that,
and
this
was
the
opportunity
for
me
because
this
thing
hasn't
been
changed
since
1950s.
E
Forgive
me
if
I'm
miscoding
it,
but
it's
been
so
long
ago.
There
was
a
change
to
this,
and
my
attempt
was
first
of
all
to
take
a
look
at
and
see.
What's
missing,
we
recognize
that
commercial
properties
were
missing
from
this
local
ordinance
and
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
have
some
additional
tools
to
enforce,
take
care
of
promise.
E
So
those
were
really
the
basic
premise
for
US,
changing
it
and
requesting
to
advertise.
You
know
having
nothing
to
do.
I
didn't
know
anything
as
most
of
you
figured
out
in
a
last
meeting.
I
didn't
know
anything
about
weeds
and
differentiation
between
that
and
what
is
what
is
prominent
for
the
for
the
group
and
I'm
and
I
said
it
very
frankly
that
you
know
I'm
a
building
guy
I'm,
an
engineer:
I'm
a
building
official
I
deal
with
buildings.
You
know
I,
don't
know
nothing
about
vegetation
or
trees.
E
From
that
perspective,
when
you
guys
brought
that
to
my
attention
and
I,
thank
you
for
submitting
some
languages
to
differentiate
between
a
weed
that,
basically,
the
ordinances
die,
shall
maintain
it
below
a
certain
level
and
what
is
very
important
to
the
group
and
the
different
commissions,
and
thank
you
for
sending
some
suggested
language
I.
Think
at
the
end
of
the
day-
and
you
know
it's-
it
doesn't
take
too
much
effort
to
add
a
a
description
of
what
weed
is
I.
Think
when
I
mentioned
in
the
last
meeting
was
I.
E
I
have
I
need
to
find
a
way
if
we
introduce
a
new
language
for
how
do
we
Define
weeds
I
need
to
find
a
way
for
enforcing
enforceability
of
that,
because,
if
I
go
look
at
it,
I
wouldn't
know
the
difference
between
something
that
needs
to
be
protected
versus
something
that
you
know
is
just
simply
a
wheat
and
so
I
think
in
the
last
meeting,
I
reported
out
that
I'm
gonna
discuss
this,
bring
it
up
to
my
bosses
and
perhaps
the
county
manager,
and
so
we
had
we've
had
some
internal
meeting
and
I
think
I'm
gonna
report
on
what
we
are
to
the
county
manager.
E
Tomorrow
we
have
a
time
about
10
o'clock
in
the
morning
somewhere
around
that
time.
He's
going
to
talk
about
it,
while
I
don't
think
that
introduction
of
a
workable
definition
is
in
order.
E
My
my
my
result,
my
only
reservation
is
I.
Don't
know
what
I
don't
know
with
regard
this
particular
and
I.
Don't
know
the
unintended
whatever
it
is
unintended
consequences.
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
to
do,
because
I
think
this
particular
issue
you
brought
to
my
attention
is
worthy
of
some
discussion.
E
Public
discussion
around
this,
and
so
what
I
really
like
to
do
is
get
this
ordinance
from
the
enforceability
from
the
things
that
I
didn't
intend
to
that
I
intended
to
address,
because
nothing
changed
with
regards
to
definition
of
weed.
You
know
we
just
left
that
intact.
We
just
went
to
some
of
the
technical
aspects
of
the
ordinance,
such
as
introducing
some
civil
citations.
E
So
that's
really
my
my
wish
and
kind
of
my
ass
with
the
with
the
understanding
that
I'm
more
than
happy
to
engage
the
different
groups
and
the
community
in
large,
because
I
think
it
deserves
a
different
degree
of
attention
that
I
can
see
in
the
you
know,
just
the
technical
changes,
and
so
that's
that's
really
my
report
to
you
at
this
point.
E
You
know
I'll
have
more
information
when
I
talk
to
the
accounting
manager
tomorrow
and
discuss,
but
I
did
want
to
Jennifer
if
you're
ready.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna
tap
on
you
and
see
because
you're,
in
the
middle
of
a
study
and
I
like
to
wait
until
find
out
what
you
guys
come
up
with
before
I
attempt
to
introduce
some
language
into
the
chapter
10,
which
is
well
beyond
my
expertise.
F
Sure
so,
thank
you,
sorry,
art
so
and
and
the
enerjag
is
the
oversight
body
that
helps
inform
and
provide
guidance
on
the
development
of
the
forestry
and
natural
resource
plan,
which
is
what
you're
referring
to
just
for
those
other
people
who
are
listening
in
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
pretty
loud
and
clear
as
part
of
our
engagement
work
when
we
released
the
first
draft
is
that
the
public
wanted
to
see
more
on
addressing
the
Whedon
ordinance
and
encouraging
naturalized
areas
using
native
plantings
on
private
and
public
property,
and
so,
while
we
are
currently
in
the
process
of
absorbing
all
of
that
public
comment,
we
do
anticipate
on
having
something
that
addresses
this
need
in
the
Dr.
F
The
the
subsequent
draft
that's
released.
So
does
that
help
answer
your
question
so
so
I
guess
the
point
is,
is
with
a
master
plan,
we're
not
going
to
actually
prescribe
the
exact
changes
that
we
want
to
see
in
the
ordinance.
What
we
will
say
is
that
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
to
work
on
or
to
improve
right
going
forward.
So
so
there
is
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
Work.
F
If,
if
the
county
wants
to
to
have
us,
do
that,
you
know
if
the
County
Board
approves
it
as
part
of
the
adopted
plan.
E
Thank
you,
Jennifer
I,
guess
the
point
again,
I
set
it
on
top
of
the
hour
when
we
met
last
time.
That's
a
really
first
time
and
I
appreciate
you
guys
reaching
out.
That's
the
first
one.
I
was
aware
of
such
value
and
the
concern
of
the
different
commissions
and
the
group,
and
you
know
when
we
left
that
meeting
I
said
well.
It
seems
pretty
darn
easy
to
introduce
a
a
definition
as
long
as
we
know
and
I
can
enforce
it.
You
know-
and
we
talk
about
who
is
defining
this.
E
What
resources
may
be
available
to
me
when
it
comes
to
that
so
I
can
reach
out
and
say:
hey.
Is
this
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
vegetation
that
needs
to
be
protected
or
not?
Having
said
that,
since
this
is
you
know,
I've
been
local
government
for
37
years
and
County.
Having
said
that,
I
just
don't
have
enough
knowledge
of
this
subject
matter
to
say
is
is
as
easy.
As
you
know,
the
process
will
be
easy
to
introduce
a
new
language,
but
I
just
don't
know
enough
about
the
subject
matter.
E
Without
opening
up
the
conversation
to
a
larger
group,
then
particularly
this
group
and
I
know
you
guys
are
representative
of
many
different
commissions,
but
you
know
to
be
frank
with
you:
I
just
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
if
you
got
this
particular
subject.
So
that's
really
my
wishes.
If
you
ask
me
what
I
want
to
do,
my
commitment
to
the
group
is
that
I'm
totally
open
to
start
a
dialogue
and
bring
its
people
that
know
hell
of
a
lot
more
about
the
subject
matter
than
I
do
but
I.
E
At
the
same
time,
I
want
to
say
that
I
really,
wouldn't
I,
really
would
like
to
move
this
piece
of
it.
That
has
nothing
to
do
that
with
weeds.
So
I
have
some
tools
to
actually
enforce
the
enforce
the
the
the
county
code,
the
way
it
was
intended.
Certainly,
you
brought
up
something
to
my
Forefront
of
my
mind.
So
next
time,
I'm
gonna
go
write
a
ticket
and
say
to
some
homeowner
that
hey
you
got
to
cut
this
weed
I.
Think
now
I
know
enough
to
ask
somebody.
Is
this
supposed
to
be?
E
Is
this
weed,
or
is
this
some
vegetation
that
should
be
protected,
so
I
can
tell
you
that
much
that
I,
certainly
not
gonna
call
every
weed
or
wheat
yeah.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
my
attention.
So
let
me
let
me
stop
talking
and
pause
for
a
minute
see
if
any
of
this
makes
sense
or
you
have
any
questions
regarding
this.
A
Okay,
I'll
open
it
up
too
Commissioners.
First
David
go
ahead,
probably
be
nice.
If
we
could
set
a
timeline,
I,
don't
know.
A
And
natural
resources
plan,
since
you
know
we're
all
kind
of
in
agreement
that
should
be
in
there
to
begin
with.
So
why
not
move
forward
and
you've
got
something
to
check
off
your
list
pretty
quickly
and
I
think
when
we
met
earlier
too.
This
is
definitely
not
a
new
issue
for
us.
We've
been
dealing
with
this
since
2016.
A
I
know,
we've
met
with
people
in
your
office,
didn't
meet
with
you,
but
did
meet
with
other
people
in
your
office
over
the
years,
and
so
from
our
perspective,
it's
super
frustrating.
Here
we
go
again
and
you're
more
delay
and
you
know
more
enforcement
actions
by
complaint
and
the
same
problems
that
we've
had
all
along
anyway.
David
before
I
go
on
and
on.
C
Thank
you,
so
I
have
not
been
involved
in
this
issue
as
long
as
some
others
have
so
I
want
to
ask
a
couple
of
naive
questions
so
right
now
the
ordinance
is
about
basically
grass
or
other
things
that
have
happened
to
grown
up
in
someone's
yard
being
too
tall
inches
or
more.
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
what
type
of
vegetation
that
is.
E
E
C
C
E
C
E
No,
this
is
basically
this.
You
know
and
I
I
think
I
know
where
you're
going
with
that
one.
This
one
really
deals
with
that's
why
it's
part
of
a
code
enforcement,
because
the
state
property
maintenance
code
deals
with
building
how
you
maintain
a
building.
This
is
basically
about
that.
It
is
not
about
you
know,
spreading
something
you
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
that
the
property
is
maintained.
So
it's
not
unsightly.
C
So
so
then,
my
last,
my
last
question
is
for
the
that
connection.
I
understand
the
rationale
for
that
connection
to
the
property,
the
improved
property.
This
is
seen
as
part
of
the
packaging
of
an
improved
property,
but
it's
not
the
same
thing
as
a
landscape
inspection,
and
it
doesn't
really
have
to
do
with
environment,
ecology
or
anything
else
that
might
pertain
to
the
the
health
of
our
ecosystem
in
Arlington.
C
It
just
has
to
do
with
degradation
of
the
property
itself,
but
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
what
we,
what
would
be
ideal
for
Arlington,
is
really
something
quite
different
from
what
is
already
in
the
ordinance
that
has
to
do
with
structures
and
safety
and
standards
and
not
really
having
to
do
with
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
would
want
to
focus
on
for
a
sustainable
environment
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
many
of
the
topics
in
the
forestry
natural
resources
plan
will
be
addressing
is
that
is
that
a
fair
thing
to
say
or
am
I
missing?
C
E
Pieces,
well,
you
know
that
I
I,
you
know,
unfortunately,
with
this
part
here
this
this
ordinance
goes.
I
kind
of
I
could
have
inherited
this
ordinance
when
I
came
to
the
county
back
in
2007
and
I
inherited
the
fact
that
they
were
told
that
code
enforcement
is
going
to
enforce
this.
So
you
really,
you
know,
I
think
the
origin
of
this
goes
back
to
1950s
and
1960s.
So
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
You
know
to
be
honest
with
you
I
much
rather
deal
with
the
building,
rather
than
the
Weirs
and
vegetation
so
I.
D
E
So
on
that
note,
you
know
that's
my
personal
opinion,
I'm
being
selfish.
You
know
that
it.
That
is,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
very
you,
know,
sensitive
issue,
but
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
the
what
the
predecessor
thought
when
they
enabled
this.
Probably
they
weren't
thinking
at
the
time
they
were
just
looking
at
the
Optics
right,
make
sure
the
make
sure
the
house
doesn't
look
too
bad,
so
it
doesn't
bring
my
property
value,
which
I'm
next
door
neighbor
down,
because
it
looks
it
looks
unkept
I.
C
E
I
suspect
that
was
that
was
the
reason,
I'm
not
sure,
because
I
haven't
gone
back
to
see
what
the
enabling
legislation
at
the
time,
what
the
thoughts
behind
it
is,
but
I
can
suspect
that
it's
the
case,
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
I,
don't
have
a
big
dog
to
fight
in
this
one
one
way
or
another.
You
know
my
attempt
at
the
beginning
was
to
basic
clean
up
language.
So
on
the
things
that
I
have
enforcing
Authority,
it
actually
cleans
up
the
language.
There
was
some.
E
There
was
some
conflict
with
other
state
laws
and
zoning
ordinances.
I
wanted
to
clean
that
one.
You
know
never
in
my
mind,
I
was
thinking
about
weeds.
When
I
did
this,
you
know
I
was
going
the
different
direction,
but
now
that
has
come
to
the
Forefront.
E
E
From
the
enforcement
I,
just
don't
want
to
go
cut,
something
that
I
shouldn't
be
cutting,
and
you
know
that's
why
I
think
this
particular
thing
about
weeds
and
I'm
not
trying
to
punt
it
and-
and
you
know,
I-
appreciate
the
fact
that
some
of
you
said
you
have.
You
have
contacted
some
people
in
Code
Enforcement
before
and
you
know
they
just
didn't
pay
attention
to
it
or
whatever
you
know
it.
E
I
I
can't
I
can't
make
excuse
for
that.
All
I
can
tell
you
is
there
is
a
new
sheriff
in
town
with
regard
to
the
property
maintenance,
the
role
of
a
proper
maintenance
official-
and
you
know
at
the
end
of
that
I'm,
a
public
servant.
You
know
I
I
serve
those
that
have
interest
in
building
safety
and
Property
Maintenance.
So,
however,
that's
going
to
shape
I
will
find
a
way
to
enforce
it.
I
just
don't
know
whether
right
now
with
the
information
we
have
right
now,
I
think
it
merits
a
larger
conversation.
E
C
E
E
A
I,
just
this
is
Jill
I
just
have
a
an
information
question.
David
used
the
term
landscape
inspection.
Is
that
a
particular
term?
That's
associated
with
this,
with
the
section
seven
or
anything,
no.
E
A
Talking
about
when,
when
there's
a
site
plan
development
of
what's
it
called
4.1
or
I
thought
it
was
section
seven
under
the
when
there's
a
multi-use
building
and
they
require
you
know
we
come
up
with
all
the
exceptions
and
then
they,
some
of
them,
have
landscaping
and.
B
E
Yes,
that
that
one
exists,
that's
part
of
a
new
development
and
the
cycling
condition,
probably
Jennifer
Jennifer
used
to
be
in
CPA.
She
probably
knows
more
about
it
than
I
do,
but
we
we
do
have
a
landscape.
Our
couple
Landscape
Architects
that
actually
make
sure
what
was
promised
in
the
in
the
perception
of
that
new
building
that
that
actually,
actually
those
folks
are
a
signatory
to
a
building
permit
before
a
building
permit
issued,
and
there
is
signatory
to
issuance
of
certificate
occupancy,
make
sure
all
those
landscape
features
are
actually
in
place.
Right.
A
Wheat,
or
it
seems
like
the
county,
does
have
the
expertise
in
this.
It's
just
a
question
of
getting
the
Departments
aligned
up
so
that
so
that
the
resources
can
be
deployed
if
they're
needed
yeah.
E
To
be
very
Frank
with
you,
you're
right,
I,
don't
know
what
resources
available,
but
within
Department
Parks
and
Recreation
and
other
folks
that
deal
with
it
I'm
sure.
Surely
enough
there
is
somebody
or
somebody's
in
Arlington.
That
knows
what
about
it.
That
is
not
my
issue.
That's
the
smaller
of
the
issue.
I
just
think
that,
in
order
to
amend
that
to
deal
with
weeds,
we
need
a
larger
involvement.
A
larger
discussion
than
just
me
coming
to
a
couple
commission
meeting
and
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
change
this.
That's
all
I'm,
saying
well.
E
So
you
know
and
I
I
know
the
government
and
entities
different
I
I.
Let
Jennifer
address
that
I'm,
the
I'm,
the
building,
official
and
property
means
of
fish
over
the
county,
so
I
don't
I'm,
not
aware
of
anything.
So
to
the
extent
that
I
can
be
helpful,
is
you
know
this
particular
ordinance
that
I'm
in
charge
of
enforcing?
E
A
A
E
Agree
differently,
yeah,
you
know
to
be
honest
with
you
and
one
of
the
things
I'm
gonna,
admit,
I,
don't
know
well,
I
know
about
Community
engagement,
I,
really
don't
have
a
a
map
on
this
particular
issues.
So
I
need
to
reach
out
to
people
like
Jennifer,
the
other
folks
in
CPA.
E
To
do
that
because
I
I,
you
know,
I
I
I
am
I,
come
from
an
enforcement
perspective
right
the
laws
that
I
enforce
come
from
the
state
the
state
adopts
it
Virginia
maintains
her
estate
adopts
it
and
I
am
just
to
enforce
it
so
that
Community
engagement
about
the
laws
and
ordinances
that
I
enforce
happen
in
Richmond.
You
know
with
the
stakeholders,
so
this
is
a
little
bit
different
and
I
I
think
whatever
whatever
needs
to
be,
we
have
a
lot
of
folks,
totally
capable
in
the
county.
E
F
It's
your
sort
of
I
recognize,
that's
that's.
There
are
many
pieces
that
will
go
into
amending
the
ordinance,
so
I
I,
hear
you
and
I
do
appreciate
that
you
recognize
that
there
are
many
stakeholders,
DPR
included.
That
would
be
part
of
that
conversation
and
so
I.
You
know
I
defer
to
see
PhD
to
you.
B
F
Isd
to
determine
what
would
be
appropriate
as
a
Next
Step,
you
know
we
are
DPR
is
a
stakeholder
right,
so
we.
E
You
want
to
protect
that
so
I
don't
have
a
fundamentally
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
doing
it
I.
Just,
however,
we
Define
it
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
broader
than
just
me.
Coming
and
meeting
with
some
of
the
Commissioners
I
I
suspect
there
are
other
stakeholders
that
may
want
to
voice
their
opinion
on
it.
That's
all
I'm,
saying.
A
Well,
I
think
we'd
be
happy
to
mobilize
people
voicing
their
opinion
because
they
already
have
again
and
again
and
again
so
I,
don't
think
we'll
have
any
trouble
with
that,
because
I
think,
as
as
Joan
mentioned
in
the
engagement
process
for
the
forestering
natural
resource
plan,
this
issue
has
come
up
repeatedly.
So
I
think
we've
got
lots
of
data
already.
A
You
know
this
feels
like
once
again
we're
dragging
our
feet.
This
seems
like
an
easy
one.
We
could
have
ticked
off,
so
I
think
it's
super
frustrating
for
those
of
us
that
have
been
working
on
this
for
years
and
years.
You
know
here
we
go
again
and
I
think
part
of
the
frustration
I
that
I'm
feeling
and
I
apologize
for
being.
You
know
a
little
on
the
soapbox
on
this.
Is
that
currently
our
County
policies
are
really
at
odds
with
each
other
and
we
promote
natural
Landscaping.
A
We,
you
know
used
to
have
the
stormwise
water
program.
The
County
credit
program
for
the
utility
fee
is
promoting
conservation,
Landscaping
I
mean
again
and
again
and
again
the
biophilic
cities
resolution,
but
we
have
to
go
back
again
and
we
can't
simply
change
the
definition
of
a
weed
or
we
don't
even
have
a
definition
of
wheat.
There
is
no
definition
of
a
weed
in
the
ordinance
right
now.
It's
just
12,
inches
and
I
mean
to
me.
That's
super
frustrating
and
you
know
how
long
is
this
going
to
take
and
are.
E
Well,
I,
yeah,
you
know
you
don't!
So
let
me
let
me
let
me
make
this
thing.
You
don't
know
me
from
Adam
right.
He
just
knew
me
about
three
weeks
ago.
That's
not
how
I
do
it?
I
am
not
a
politician.
I'm,
not
a
planner
I
want
Clarity
in
every
ordinance
that
I
do
from
a
practitioner
in
enforcement.
So
it's
not
the
matter
of
me
dragging
my
feet
and
I
said
I.
My
commitment
to
you
guys
is
to
put
a
group
together
to
work
on
what
that
ultimate
definition
is.
E
I
also
admitted
that
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
know.
I,
don't
know
whether
the
definition
you
propose
is
the
right
definition.
So
I
need
to
just
bring
a
couple
folks
together,
we
collectively
agree
with
it.
Nobody
asked
me
to
change
chapter
10.
the
county
manager
asked
didn't
ask
me:
I
was
just
doing
some
house
cleaning
decided
that
this
needed
attention,
so
I'm
not
punting
everything
to
the
Future.
This
is
not
a
political
issue.
It's
a
may.
A
A
Long
as
we've
got
a
commitment
that,
within
six
months,
we
can
get
this
done
in
terms
of
addressing
the
wheat
ordinance
I'm.
Sorry
John
I
have
to
disagree.
I
think
that
if
you
want
to
go
forward
with
the
changes
to
enforcement
so
that
you
have
these
citation
authorities
afresh,
I
think
we
need
to
take
the
weed
part
out
of
it
like
you
were
saying
and
just
omit
that
for
the
time
being
until
we
figured
it
out,
that's
my
opinion.
E
A
Yeah
but
you're
you're
asking
us
to
go
along
with
the
plan
where
you're
increasing
the
citation
authority
of
your
office,
but
we're
not
addressing
the
things
for
which
the
people
would
be
cited.
So
you
know
we
have
to
at
least
also
put
in
some
kind
of
an
exception
that
if
you
know
they're
cited
for
a
weed
ordinance,
there
has
to
be.
You
know
some
review
by
somebody
else
in
the
county
or
something.
E
A
Of
weed
and
then
we
can
work
on
it
after
you
know,
we
can
work
on
it
and
get
the
public
engagement
and
then
and
then
change
it.
You
know
so
you
can
feel
more
comfortable,
but
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
to
you
know
to
increase
the
authority
of
the
office
to
you
know
to
provide
citations
against
people.
B
E
Don't
you
win
I
said
I
said:
I
can
wait,
I
mean
if
that's
what
the,
but,
ultimately
it's
not
my
decision
as
I
mentioned
before
you
know,
I've
waited
16
and
a
half
years
to
make
a
change
to
it.
So
I
can
wait
another
five
years
or
so,
but
but
it
at
the
end
of
it.
It
doesn't
address
your
issue,
so
we
move
on
and
if
I
get
a
read.
I
have
language
in
there
currently,
because
this
doesn't
affect
wheat.
E
I
have
language
in
there
to
force
somebody
to
cut
the
wheat
as
it
currently
stands,
the
section
that
I
changed
had
to
do
with
some
other
stuff.
It
did
put
a
civil
Citation
for
weeds
rather
than
me
going
because
the
language
currently
says
I
can
actually
go
cut
your
lawn
and
put
a
lien
on
your
property.
That's
the
current
language.
C
E
Are
you
ready
for
this
answer?
Uh-Huh
I,
don't
know
the
reason
I
don't
know,
because
I
am
dealing
with
a
software
that
was
put
in
place
for
Y2K
about
23
years
old
and
it
doesn't
differentiate
between
the
different
types
of
complaint.
I
can
ask
my
staff
anecdotally
how
many
complaints
they
get
and
they
generally
goes
up.
C
Right
well,
thank
you,
so,
even
without
distinguishing
how
many,
since
you
currently
have
the
authority
to
issue
a
citation
for
any
com,
any
violation,
how
many
of
those
are
done.
E
How
many
citations,
uh-huh
I'm,
not
sure
I,
can't
even
give
you
that,
because
citations
we
entered
in
our
in
our
system,
so
it
doesn't
it's
not
on
a
spreadsheet,
we
put
all
the
citation,
so
on
average
every
year
we
do
about
two
to
three
thousand
cases
in
order
to
recognize
which
one
has
a
citation
on
it.
I
have
to
open
every
3,
000
of
them
single
word,
single,
see,
which
one
went
to
citation
which
one
didn't.
E
That's
just
as
for
us
for
me:
we
are
actually
working
on
a
new
system
after
16
years,
so
the
code
enforcement
is
called
permit.
Arlington,
the
code
enforcement
module
has
not
the
complaint.
Modular
has
not
been
going
in
there,
but
sometimes
at
the
end
of
this
year,
calendar
year
will
have
the
complaint
system
in
there.
So
we
can
actually
run
a
report
and
run
analytics
how
much
of
this
type
of
complaints
we
get.
How
much
of
that
kind
of
so
we
can
differentiate
what
different
complaints
and
how?
A
C
Yeah
and
informative
to
everyone
else,
but
if
you,
if
you
have
the,
if
you
have
the
changes
that
are
that
you're
working
on
right
now,
independent
of
the
question
of
the
definition
of
weed
what
one
of
the
things
that
does
is
remove.
If
I
understood
you
correctly
a
few
minutes
ago,
that
removes
the
automatic
citation
right.
E
C
E
It
doesn't
remove
God
I
I
have
a
choice
to
do
a
side
table
either
way.
I
have
to
do
a
citation,
so
there
are
two
paths
that
I
will
have
for
grass.
For
example,
one
is:
go
the
go
the
civil
citation
route
so
I'll
come
give
you
every
day
a
civil
Citation
for
fifty
or
a
hundred
dollars
say:
please
cut
it
or
I
can
go
the
clean
and
lean
site
either.
One
of
them
is
a
citation,
but
the
fines
are
different.
E
A
E
E
But
but
again
you
know
I'm
not
trying
to
convince
you
one
way
or
another
you
know
I
was
I
was
merely
attempting
to
do
some
technical
changes
and
give
us
some
additional
Authority
and
to
deal
with
the
conditional
private
property
and
to
remove
some
of
the
conflicts
now.
I
think
the
issue
you
brought
up
is
very
worthy
of
a
conversation.
But
if
you
want
me
to
wait-
and
it's
not
up
to
me-
it's
after
the
accounting
manager
I'm
more
than
to
a
modern
happy
to
wait
another
16
years,
but
then
I'll
be
retired
anyway,.
E
A
Just
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
because
I
know
we
talked
about
this
and
we
had
a
conversation
with
you
and
we
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
a
couple
weeks
ago
as
well.
Is
that
you
know,
as
I
said,
we've
been
dealing
with
this
issue,
at
least
since
2015
2016
and
had
various
conversations
with
people
in
the
county.
And
meanwhile,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
neighboring
jurisdictions
have
changed
their
wheat
ordinance
and
have
figured
out
a
way
to
enforce
that
so
I'm
just
curious.
A
Have
you
checked
in
with
any
of
your
other
colleagues
and
some
of
the
neighboring
jurisdictions?
And
you
know
because,
as
I
sent
you
all
those
different
wheat
ordinances
that
we
have
in
the
neighboring
jurisdictions,
you
know
what
how
have
they
dealt
with
the
Enforcement
issue.
E
I
I
haven't
checked
for
that
I
I
do
meet
with
the
neighboring
jurisdiction,
but
around
building
code
application.
We
have
a
quartering
meeting,
but
not
about
Wheats.
So
no
my
fault,
because
not
not
too
many
building
officials
I
didn't
I,
didn't
deal
with
weed
so
but
I
haven't
reached
out
to
that.
That's
part
of
the
thing
that
we
need
to
be
doing.
If
we're
gonna
move
this
forward
as
a
work
group
to
find
out
what
what
the
standards
everybody
uses,
what
does
Fairfax
Savannah
do?
A
A
E
Happening
well,
I,
never
claim
we
are
a
leader
in
this.
We
just
spoke
three
weeks
ago,
so,
probably
somewhere
else
in
the
government,
you've
talked
about
it.
You
know,
I
I,
don't
know
you
know.
I
cannot
change
what
it
has
happened.
All
I
can
say
from
a
personal
note
again:
I
don't
make
all
the
decision
either.
That's
why
thank
God
and
that's
why
there
are
other
people
involved
that
are
higher
up
than
me,
but
from
a
personal
perspective,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
open
this
conversation
conversation
to
larger
group.
E
E
A
E
E
So
when
he
said
the
county
code
enforcement
has
a
deal
for
that.
I
didn't
think.
I
had
an
issue
to
deal
with.
So
I
came
across
from
this
amendment
from
an
ignorant
point
of
view,
I
wanted
to
make
some
technical
changes
and
remove
some
conflicting
language
with
other
laws
and
ordinances.
Some
of
them
states
are
local,
and
so
I
came
to
this
one
totally
ignorant
I
didn't
know.
This
was
the
issue
I
needed
to
address.
A
No
I
appreciate
that
yeah
but
anyway,
but
a
frustration
from
those
of
us
who
don't
necessarily
know
what
all
the.
A
Other
questions
so
Joan
your
your
recommendation
is
to
come
up
with
the
timetable.
Perhaps
yeah
I
think
if
we
could
get
a
timetable
of
you
know
within
six
months
that
we
we
can
because
I
don't
think
it's
that
that
difficult
of
a
process
to
move
I
I
think
the
biggest
discussion
would
probably
be.
You
know.
What's
the
process
when
somebody
calls
and
complains
about
somebody's
native
plant
garden,
because
they
think
it's
unruly.
B
Maintained
and
they
were
letting
grass
and
everything
grow
up
or
whether
or
not
it's
it's
really
a
maintained
natural
landscape,
because
that
that
is
that
is
the
Crux
of
the
issue
is:
is
people
complain
and
without
knowing.
A
What
they're
looking
at
they
come
in
and
cut
something
down
that
that
has
value
and
now,
at
the
other
hand,
is
you
know,
there's
a
property
around
the
corner.
For
me,
that
was
completely
overgrown
with
porcelain,
Berry
and
English
ivy,
and
it
actually
finally
cut
everything
back
not
too
long
ago,
but
had
a
magnificent
magnolia
tree
that
you
could
almost
not
see
oh
wow.
So,
but
you
know
so
you
know
and
that
that's
property
was
like
that
for
ages.
B
A
The
health
and
safety
of
you
know
the
community
so
we're
just
trying
to
fine-tune
it
and
figure
out
what
are
the
best
next
steps.
So,
as
you
can
I
think
tell
from
this
group
we're
not
comfortable
with
just
saying
yeah
yeah
go
ahead,
what
you're
going
to
do
and
we'll
you
know
we'll
take
your
word
for
it
as
as
well
intended
as
we.
As
you
know,
we
assume
that
is,
but
we
having
been
down
this
path
many
times
before.
A
I
think
we're
with
like
a
little
more
assurance
that
this
is
we've
got
a
process
in
place,
and
you
know
timetable
in
place
to
get
this
done,
because
you
know
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
this
forever
either
and
I
know
you.
D
E
You
know
yeah,
you
know
I
I,
I,
obviously
we're
not
talking
to
the
county
manager.
I
I
did
set
up
something
with
the
deputy
County
Manager
for
this
Friday,
that's
the
only
time
I
could
get,
but
I
have
a
I.
Have
a
couple
minutes
to
talk
to
the
county
manager
tomorrow
and
I
can
certainly
bring
your
concerns
to
his,
and
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
he
may
decide.
I,
don't
know
I
to
be
honest
with
you,
I,
don't
know
what
he
made
to
say.
E
He
may
decide
to
move
it
forward
and
then
tell
the
board
know
that
we
are
going
to
commit
to
studying
this
issue
in
six
months.
I
just
will
tell
him
if
I
don't
get
a
chance
to
talk
to
him
tomorrow.
I
have
a
meeting
set
up
specifically
on
this
subject
matter
with
the
deputy
County
Manager
on
Friday
afternoon.
A
Okay,
that's
great,
would
you
mind,
then,
if
either
I
would
follow
up
with
you
or
someone
else,
and
we
can
kind
of
just
touch
base
and
see
where
we
are
on
this
after
you've
had
a
chance
to
run
the
traps
a
little
bit
sure.
E
Yeah,
you
know
sometimes
many
times:
I
go
on
construction
jobs
and
people
remind
me
to
why
I
don't
wear
my
heart
hat,
which
I
do
eventually
but
I,
say:
I,
don't
need
a
hard
hat.
I
have
a
hard
head
so
I.
Take
that
to
your
some
of
your
commentaries,
so
I
can
take
it
well.
A
We
appreciate
your
being
with
us
tonight
and
taking
the
time,
and
we
really
do
look
forward
to
working
with
you
to
try
to
figure.
E
A
With
it,
we
just
go
in
front
of
the
County
Board
when
they
have
the
discussion
and
say
because
we're
going
to
have
the
County
Board
support
for
this
I
did
Circle
back
both
with
Libby
and
Christian
and
Takis.
Just
because
we
had
been
in
contact
with
them
to
pull
this
item
off
the
agenda,
and
so
I
just
want
to
let
them
know
where
we
were
and
that
we
were
going
to
have
this
meeting
tonight.
A
A
C
No,
it's
not,
but
but
I
agree
with
you
about
the
having
a
little
discussion
process
yeah,
because,
as
that
last
point,
would
that
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
things
that
are
ecologically
healthy
are
not
subject
to
Prejudice
and
get
whacked,
because
they're
three
inches
Too
Tall.
On
the
other
hand,
we
would
this
could
be
a
tool
to
start
on
the
private
property
side,
removing
some
things
that
shouldn't
be
there
and
so
fine-tuning
that
definition.
C
A
C
A
And
Jim
knows
this
too,
that
the
Virginia
assembly
did
adopt
language
that
would
allow
communities
to
that
got
it
written
right
here
somewhere
to
restrict
running
bamboo,
but
we
have
there's
no
other
ability
to
restrict
invasive
species
on
private
property
other
than
that
am
I
correct
on
that,
unless
it's
an
option,
there's
the
noxious
weed
list
and
then
there's
like
one
random
ordinance
about
Johnson
brass
right.
D
A
They
don't
enforce
noxious
weeds
noxious.
Weeds
is
mostly
like
about
the
sale
and
transport
and
stuff
like
that.
Obnoxious,
weeds
yeah
in
this
regular,
like
would
be
the
state
I
suppose,
but
they
would
do
if
there
was
a
local
ordinance.
Okay,
then
they
would
enforce
that
so
like
if,
if
Fairfax
and
Manassas
have
and
adopted
a
running,
bamboo
ordinance.
If
we
were
to
do
that,
then
they
would
be
the
ones
this
office.
Okay,.
C
C
A
Think
we've
got
to
get
it
off:
County
property
too
right.
One
of
the
issues
that
I
look
at
with
the
bamboo
ordinance,
while
I'm
generally,
like
oh
I've,
definitely
been
looking
at
it
and
looking
at
other
jurisdictions
that
do
it
is
that
we
do
have
a
fair
amount
of
bamboo
on
County
property
and
in
some
cases
it
is
spilling
over
oh
God,
private
property,
I.
Actually
just
was
talking
to
somebody
about.
A
A
To
have
to
hire
a
format
s
or
whatever
it
is
I
would
be
a
little
weary
of
conflicting
too
many,
especially
yeah,
because
you
saw
the
hesitation
even
on
doing
this,
and
what
we
had
proposed
was
either
doing
what
the
North
Virginia
Regional
Commission
had
adopted,
which
you
know
two
of
our
County
board.
A
Members
were
part
of
that
too,
or
just
going
in
and
changing
the
definition
of
a
week
so
that
it,
you
know
in
weeks
on
lots
of
examples
of
what
are
the
jurisdictions
have
done
with
the
northern
Virginia
Regional
Commission
had
recommended
so
there's
lots
of
language
out
there,
but
you
know
we're
not
there
anyway,
don't
be
ready.
Sorry,
stick
your
hand
up
sorry
to
oh.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
thank
you,
and,
and
I
would
just
add,
from
what
Jen
Souls
had
shared
there's,
also
as
as
we
sort
of
take
a
deeper
look
into
the
running
bamboo
ordinance
and
how
we
want
to
sort
of
had
this
discussion.
F
One
of
the
the
big
things
that
weighs,
on
my
mind
is
the
equity
piece
of
this
I
mean
there's
some
fairly
steep
fines
that
are
associated
with
steep
you
know,
relatively
speaking,
you
know,
associated
with
with
being
able
to
implement
this
type
of
ordinance,
and
the
cost
alone
to
manage
it
on
private
property
is
is,
is
also
something
that
we
just
need
to
consider
and
how
that
will
impact
those
folks
who
don't
necessarily
have
the
money
to
to
manage
it,
and
so
it
I
I
think
it
absolutely
warrants
a
a
fulsome
conversation
about
how
we
would
Implement
something
that
is
considers
those
those
challenges.
A
Yeah
no
I
think
that
will
take
and
again
we've
been
trying
to
do
this
little
thing
for
so
long.
That
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we
need
to
stay
focused,
see
if
we
can
just
get
this
so
that
people
can
have
managed
natural
landscapes.
That's
what
that's
what
the
goal
is.
So,
let's
start
with
that
see
what
we
can
do.
You
know
I,
guess
I'm
a
little
frustrated,
because
I
do
feel
like
we've
already
had
a
whole
lot
of
public
Outreach
on
this
issue.
A
Not
you
know
specifically
just
on
a
different
definition,
but
we
know
we've
heard
it
again
and
again
and
again
so
I.
You
know
what
else
do
we
have
to
do
to
kind
of
check
that
box,
but
anyway,
editorial
comment
here:
I,
don't
know
how
possible
would
be
to
Crunch
the
fun
wrap
engagement
data
like
I
shouldn't,
say
that
I
don't
even
know
how
possible
to
see
how
many
times
to.
A
A
Their
plate
they're
not
even
just
doing
a
search
across
the
comments
to
see
how
many
people
mentioned
weed
ordinance,
so
I'm,
pretty
sure
I
included
it
at
some
point.
I
think
we
could.
C
Into
it,
yeah
of
course,
looking
at
it
could
be
Under
reporting,
though,
because
it
it's
not
something
that
was
prompted.
You
might
not
get
responses
from
people
who
certainly
would
support
it,
but
just
didn't
yeah
people.
D
D
A
It's
in
there,
so
we
didn't
say
how
many
times
nothing
at
least
count
that,
but
it's
you
know
somewhat
ironic
too,
because
I
was
just
contacted
by
two
people
that
had
gotten
enforcement.
They've
got
native
plant
Gardens
and
somebody
call
them-
and
you
know
so
they're
in
the
midst
of
all
of
this
and
then.
A
There's
momentum
on
their
side.
They
want
to
do
something,
but
we
can't
allow
that
to
go
forward
unless
we
have
something
that
we
want.
That
goes
through.
Otherwise
we're
gonna
never
get.
D
A
A
With
him
yeah
that
you
know
we're
gonna,
let
this
go
forward
while
we're
working
on
a
weed
or
not,
and
we
have
to
have
a
similar
understanding
from
our
side
that
they're
not
going
to
go
after
people
who
have
legitimate
native
plant
Gardens.
There
has
to
be
that
Mutual
understanding,
otherwise
I
I,
just
well
I,
don't.
A
C
A
Yeah
and
then
they
should
bring
in
the
people
that
know
what
they're
looking
at
and
say,
yeah.
No,
you
should
get
a
citation,
that's
a
good
landscape.
That's
why
I
think
just
eliminating
the
whole
thing
about
the
weed
at
all.
Is
you
know
better
than
something?
Well
right
now,
it's
only
grass
or
let
me
I
mean
the
language
is
so
simple.
It
makes
that's
the
problem.
It's
too
simple.
It
is
sorry
I
have
it
here,
somewhere
grass
or
lawn
area
grass,
I'm,
sorry,
grass
or
lawn
area
exceeds
12
inches
in
height.
C
A
That's
that's
what
the
other
jurisdictions
have
done.
They've
made
a
very
you
know,
easy
distinction.
Alexandra
is
easy.
It's
the
word.
Weeds
is
used
in
this
chapter
shall
be
held
to
include
grass,
weeds,
bushes
or
any
other
vegetation
other
than
trees,
ornamental
Shrubbery
flowers
and
garden
vegetables
properly
tended
so
you
know,
they've
taken
an
easy
way
out
and
they
have
a
whole
lot
of
cultural
Landscaping
in
Alexandria.
If
they
can
do
it,
why
have
we
not
done
it?
I
mean
Prince
William
County's
done
it.
C
A
C
A
A
A
E
A
Sorry
for
mine,
no
that's!
Okay!
Anyway,
it's
just
like
beating
our
head
against
a
while
I
think
keep
in
mind
yeah.
We
have
some
County
Board
of
attention
on
this
and
we
need
to
keep
it
to
make
sure
that
we
get
action
right
and
so
anyway,
next
I
think
taco
season
said
something
about
yeah
people
have
complained
about.
You
know
my
native
plans
and.
A
A
Basically,
I
don't
think
too
much
has
changed
since
last
month,
they've
gotten
all
the
feedback
from
the
engagement
after
the
Forester
natural
resource
plan,
that's
been
posted
online
I
know.
Some
of
you
have
seen
that
I've
seen
some
comments
and
then
the
staff
is
currently
editing
a
text
based
on
all
that
feedback
and
then
also
developing
the
graphics
and
the
layout
like
this
is
going
to
be
a
prettier
version.
A
You
know
we're
going
to
move
it
closer
to
like
the
final
final
draft
and
so
that
editing
process
is
basically
continuing
and
hopefully
we'll
be
bringing
that
final
draft
out
late
spring
early
summer,
depending
on,
where
you
break
the
seasons
and
then
bring
it
forward
for
adoption
in
the
fourth
quarter.
So,
fourth
quarter
now,
fourth
quarter:
okay,
okay
and.
A
B
A
C
A
All
right
and
then
the
other
stuff
update
I
have
on
behalf
of
Alonzo
is
basically
let
you
guys
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
other
staff
update
Beyond,
where
we
are
with
the
deer
plan.
The
deer
management
assessment
I
believe
all
of
you
saw
the
presentation
he
did
either
with
forestry
of
natural
resource
or
with
Parks
and
Rec.
A
All
right,
let
me
wait.
I'm
not
sharing.
A
Some
of
you
may
have
seen
this
yet
twice
now.
Let
me
share
my
screen.
A
Okay,
so
Jen
I'll
assume
you
can
see
this.
Everybody
else
is
here
in
the
room.
D
A
A
lot
of
this
information
if
you've
been
part
of
other
things,
you've
seen
before,
basically
that
the
deer
are
an
important
part
of
our
Wildlife,
that
the
population
is
very,
very
low
by
the
30s,
but
we
now
have
far
more
deer
than
we
have
historically
had
and
that
basically,
these
were
first
sort
of
noted
as
a
concern
in
the
wildlife
of
Arlington.
The
inventory.
The
technical
report
that
we
did
back
in
2011.
A
Arlington
had
the
deer
panel,
with
regional
deer
experts
in
2012
to
look
at
deer
in
Arlington
and
where
the
population
was
and
what
impacts
we
might
see.
If
we
had
to
be
a
deer,
we
hired
Stuart
Green
in
2021
to
do
the
Drone
survey
and
I
think
everybody's
familiar
with
that.
A
But
I
I
know
you
know,
even
if
you
haven't
seen
this
you've
had
a
lot
of
music
and
then
in
August
we
hired
White
Buffalo
and
went
by
Buffalo.
You
can't
quite
see
it
just
because
of
where
the
dancing
tubes,
okay,
we
hired
them
to
do
basically
something
in
three
phases.
So
the
first
phase
they
have
almost
concluded.
The
first
phase
consisted
of
doing
a
vegetation
impact
survey.
A
A
A
And
we're
about
to
begin
phase
two
which
I'll
get
into
in
a
little
more
detail
the
base.
Again,
as
you
may
be
aware
that
there
are
some
potential
problems,
if
we
do
have
deer
numbers
over
the
ecological
care
and
capacity
that
they
can
support,
you
know
for
us.
In
natural
resources
we
are
stewards
of
our
natural
lands
and
we've
been
charged
to
be
stewards
of
all
the
resources
on
those
lands.
So
that's
really
what's
what's
driving
what
we're
doing
you
know?
A
The
main
concern
is
basically
that
the
forest
themselves
may
be
failing
to
regenerate
the
native
plants.
It's
for
wildlife
may
be
impacted,
even
if
we
still
have
the
canopy
trees
and
that
would
impact
other
Wildlife
insects,
ground
nesting,
Birds.
The
lack
of
native
vegetation
can
increase
the
chances
invasive
vegetation
spreading
and
then
also
at
some
point.
You
know
we
can
have.
If
you
have
an
unhealthy
forest
and
forest
ecosystem,
it
is
possible
possible.
A
The
populations
get
large
enough
to
impact
the
deer
themselves,
which
is
obviously
something
we
would
want
to
avoid
other
jurisdictions
and
other
issues
that
are
sometimes,
you
know,
brought
up
less
of
a
focus
for
us
in
Parks.
Our
deer
vehicle
collisions
damage
to
landscape
areas,
tick-borne
illnesses.
A
This
is
so,
as
I
said,
we
started
finishing
up
phase
one
which
was
getting
to
these
vegetation
surveys.
They've
written
a
draft
of
all
that
and
they're
the
process
of
doing
the
final
draft
and
I
expect
that
to
come
out
within
the
next
couple
weeks,
and
then
we're
going
to
do
our
public
engagement,
which
is
sort
of
phase
two,
basically
sharing
the
report.
The
result,
what
we
found
the
implications
of
what
we
found
and
then
you
know
what
what
management
actions
might
be
possible,
given
what
we
felt
like?
A
What
are
the
the
management
options
that
are
possible
and
especially
which
ones
are
most
feasible
within
Arlington
County
many
options,
but
not
all,
are
feasible
and
then
sharing
that
information
with
the
public
getting
feedback
on
both
what
we
found
and
on
the
management
options
that
are
available
and
then
that
sort
of
phase
two
is
it
says
those
public
engagements
we're
looking
at
possibly
doing
some
pop-ups,
possibly
doing
a
survey
meetings,
focus
groups.
All
this
is
It's.
A
It's
in
the
process
of
being
nailed
down,
so
this
is
sort
of
our
draft.
It's
I
think
it
was
announced
at
other
previous
meetings,
but
but
this
is
basically
where
we
are,
and
you
know
we
had
hoped
to
be
doing
I.
Think
if
you
were
at
the
first
commission
meetings,
we
had,
we
hope
to
be
doing
our
focus
groups
in
February.
A
We
are
kind
of
at
Max
Capacity
with
our
engagement
stuff
right
now,
and
we
also
just
want
to
make
sure
I
think
that
this
that
this
whole
Community
engagement
is
really
well
thought
out
and
really
well
done,
because
this
is
our
chance.
This
is
the
time
we're
going
to
be
going
to
the
public
and
getting
feedback
on
what
we're
going
to
do,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
best
job
of
that.
So
we
don't
have
to
face
these
issues
down
the
road
and
yeah.
A
B
A
A
Move
as
fast
as
you
would
like,
but
we've
had
some
staff
loss
in
our
offices,
not
not
in
our
office
this
time,
but
the
engagement
office.
We
had
some
staff
laws
there
and
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
don't
mix
this
out
and
get
it
done
right.
B
A
question
so
so
public
engagement
is
vital
on
this
issue.
For
sure,
and
that's
one
reason:
Armand
has
had
this
educational
thing,
so
I
would
ask
if
possible,
as
you
prepare
for
public
engagement,
I
think
it
might
be
useful
for
you
to
have.
Whoever
is
doing
that,
hear
what
Armand
has
done
and
hear
the
kind
of
public
dialogue
we've
had,
because
that
could
give
you
a
sense
of
what
kind
of
questions
people
are
going
to
have.
B
You
know
coming
out
and,
for
example,
I
would
suggest
that
it's
really
important
to
share
the
data
that's
been
collected
and
then
have
public
education
Based
on
data,
rather
than
starting,
like
a
thinking,
survey
which
may
be
based
on
not
really
having
thought
about
things,
not
just
one
example
of
I
think
the
feedback
or
the
type
of
discussion
you'd
like
to
have
so
I.
Think
if
it's
possible,
everyone
is
structure
it.
B
A
Think
it
would
be
useful
as
you're
doing
the
public
engagement
is
to
kind
of
give
a
good
description
of
what
the
natural
role
of
deer
is
within
the
environment,
because
I
think
too
many
people
jump
to.
We
just
want
to
get
rid
of
all
of
the
deer,
oh
and
then
that
that
creates.
You
know
people
don't
like
that
option.
But
in
terms
of
you
know,
what
do
you
need?
A
What
do
you
know,
because
the
other
part
of
that
is,
how
do
you
expand
the
habitat
that
deer
can
cohabitate
now
they're
not
going
to
have
the
natural
Predators,
which
is
something
that's
is
always
going
to
have
to
be
booming?
There
is
we're
essentially
going
to
have
to
be
their
natural
Predators,
because
we're
not
going
to
bring
wolves
back
into
the
area,
I,
don't
think
got
occasional
bear,
but
right.
A
Right
so
it
just
you
know,
kind
of
so
it's
not
just
a.
We
want
to
get
rid
of
the
deer,
because
people
don't
like
them
nibbling
on
their
hydrangeas
yeah
right
to
Dear
our
natural
part
of
the
environment,
but
this
is
this
is
how
healthy
they
are.
I
don't
know
there
may
be.
Some
things
to
kind
of
talk
about
is
what
they
did,
because
they
think
the
indigenous
popular
it
managed
the
deer
populations
as
well.
A
A
A
Yeah,
but
you
know,
but
it
would
also
be
very
interesting
and
educational
to
show
if
it's
true
the
court,
because
it
seems
intuitively.
That
is
true-
that
there's
a
big
correlation
between
the
increase
and
invasive
plans
and
the
increase
in
the
deer
population
and
just
you
know,
keep
hammering
on
like
the
ecosystem
and
the
forest.
B
There
so
one
common
comment
we
have
from
a
lot
of
our
engagement
with
Civic
groups,
for
example,
was
gee
I
am
seeing
a
lot
more
deer
than
I
saw
several
years
ago.
I
know
they're
eating
my
vegetable
garden.
I
didn't
realize
they
were
a
threat
to
our
forest
yeah.
Now
that
you've
told
me
that
I
am
concerned,
so
that's
why
I
think
that
if
the
just
what
you're
saying
the
ecological
role
of
deer,
they
are
part
of
the
ecology
we
we
want
to
keep
dear.
It's
just
a
question
of
we
have
to.
B
In
my
opinion,
we
have
to
exercise
a
balancing
act,
but
I
think
people
generally
when
they
have
a
chance
to
be
exposed
to
that
information.
They
will
understand
that
action
is
needed
so,
but
it
really
is
important
how
this
is
done.
That's
why
I'm
expressing
concern
to
make
sure
that
you
have
an
opportunity
or
that
you
take
advantage
of
some
of
the
learning
that
we've
gone
through
over
the
last
three
years
and
incorporate
that
in
the
plans
yeah
and
that's.
There
is
a
lot
of
lessons
learned.
A
From
that-
and
that
is
part
of
why,
like
you'll
see
like
the
arrow
goes
both
ways
on
that
Community
engagement,
part
of
what
we
are
planning
to
do
is
have
these
sort
of
here's.
What
we
found.
Here's,
what
this
means
sharing
of
the
information
about
deer
before
we
start
collecting
people's
feelings
on
here's,
what
we
found!
Here's!
What
that
means,
here's
some
things
we
might
do
about
it,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
be
like
here-
are
some
things
we
might
do
about
it
right
and
just
get
around.
C
Just
to
follow
a
lot
of
experiencing
the
logic
sequence
for
people
who
haven't
heard
much
about
this
at
all,
I
think
works
best
when
you
start
with
ecology
and
it
starts
with
the
natural
rules
and
the
Natural
Balance.
And
then
you
go
to
the
losses.
When
there's
not
balance,
then
you
go
to
the
data
about
Arlington.
B
C
No
context
to
understand
what
that
means,
and
you
don't
have
a
basis
for
freaking
out
for
yourself.
Okay.
So
if
we're
gonna,
how
much
does
it
matter
if
you're
going
to
do
something
about
it?
What
kinds
of
things
would
you
do
so
it's
really
like
a
mini
course
in
in
Rheumatology
and
then
how's
our
circumstance
measure
up
to
the
desirable.
B
And
that
exactly
is
the
flow
of
the
presentation
we've
been
giving
to
all
these
groups.
It's
exactly
that.
Here's,
what
the
natural
situation
was
and
should
be,
and
here's
how
all
the
different
types
of
Critters
benefit
when
things
are
in
balance
and
now
here's
what's
happened
and
here's
the
results
of
that
and
that's
why
we
have
these
decisions
to
make
and
people
do
step
through
that,
and
so
anyway,.
A
B
A
All
right
any
other
questions
for
Jen.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
can
go
ahead
and
do
our
quick
updates
from
everybody.
A
You
want
me
to
go
first,
so
I
can
do
four
strand
entries
because
I
just
pulled
up
the
agenda.
Thank.
A
Yeah,
so
we
did
have
the
update
on
the
deer
assessment
and
Ryan
gave
us
an
update
on
the
fortune
natural
resource
plan
timeline,
which
is
why
fourth
quarter
striking
to
death.
For
some
reason,
my.
A
D
A
A
Vincent
gave
a
really
interesting
presentation
on
recommended,
treeless
and
I.
Think
it
was
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
with
missing
middle
is
as
keying
the
recommendations
onto
those
tree
lists,
but
there
were
actually
more.
D
A
A
We
got
a
report
on
the
nature,
centers
and
the
sort
of
numbers
of
participants
and
the
fact
that
the
hours
have
been
cut
back.
You
know
on
the
impact
of
of
the
visitors
on
that
which
is
significant
and
that
you
know
postcode,
which
I
think
you
all
are
aware
of
that
the
the
decision
was
made
that
it
makes
sense
from
a
safety
thing
that
you
shouldn't
have
at
one
staff
person
in
nature
center
by
themselves
and
that
so
there
always
are
going
to
be
two
now.
A
But
that's
really
made
an
issue
as
far
as
the
ability
of
the
nature
centers
to
stay
open
for
the
hours,
because
they're
only
three
days
a
week,
I
can't
believe
I,
don't
know
this
yeah
three.
D
B
A
Are
doing
additional
work
in
this
I
guess
every
first
grader
is
getting
which
I've
been
doing,
but
now
in
the
days
off
since
the
third,
not
open,
very
much.
The
staff
is
going
out
and
doing
that,
but
we
did
sort
of
look
at
the
numbers
and
ask
for
more
information
about
what
would
it
cost
to
actually
increase
staff
so
that
the
new
centers
could
be
open
more?
And
you
know
it's
like
a
rounding
error.
It's
just
not
that
much
because
you're
just
talking
about
staff
salaries,
especially.
A
So
anyway,
I
think
from
a
you
know,
a
fight
issue
that
came
up
as
drafting
a
budget
letter
that
one
of
the
recommendations
would
likely
be
to
increase
Nature
Center
hours
and
get
that
the
staff
back
up,
especially
as
we're
talking
about
you
know
the
Forester
announced
resource
plan.
Education
is
a
huge
piece
in
that
nature.
Centers
are
play
a
really
big
role
in
that.
D
A
A
Your
stormwater
veteransville
today,
okay,
so
I,
will
what
was
what
did
the
letter?
Nova
Parks
is
basically
just
saying:
Paul
Gilbert
had
come
and
done
a
presentation
and
focused
on
the
Partnerships
with
you
and
others
and
Armin,
and
the
new
strategic
plan,
the
fact
that
they
are
putting
some
money
into
invasive
species
which
they
haven't
done.
Yeah.
A
A
Okay,
yeah,
so
we'll
send
that
out
as
well
as
well
and
I.
Think
that
was
it
for
those
did
you
all?
Would
you
what
were
you
doing
Joan
and
situation?
Let's
see
well
much
of
our
last
meeting
was
involved
for
the
County's
plan
or
actually
non-plan
so
Electrify
the
art
bus
system,
calm.
So
that's
engaging
a
lot
of
my
time
right
at
the
moment.
A
And
it
put
a
climate
change,
top
level
themes
of
climate
change,
equity
and
resiliency,
but
under
that,
especially
in
fact
specifically
within
resiliency,
it's
stormwater
management,
including
use
of
net
nature-based
Solutions,
where
we're
feasible
and
relevant
for
management
and
then
also
just
the
protection
and
expansion
and
Improvement
of
natural
areas
as
well,
as
course,
equity
and
access
to
to
those
areas.
A
B
Great
so.
A
A
A
Board,
but
really
if
anybody
has
any
thoughts
or
ideas,
especially
always
the
challenge
of
getting
diversity
in
our
with
you
know,
people
at
least
have
some
background
and
knowledge
on
some
elements
of
climate
change,
environment.
A
So
kind
of
welcome
that,
and
specifically
for
energetic
Sean
Norton
is
one
of
the
ones
going
off
the
commission.
So
I
will
find
a
third
person
to
be
part
of
the
energetic
on
that.
A
Fairfax
or
whatever
yep
chill
yeah
I
forgot.
I
was
supposed
to
give
this
report
so
I'm,
sorry
I'm
speaking
easily,
but
we
had
a
session
where
Takis
came
and
talked
to
us
about
a
lot
of
things.
I
have
two
pages
of
notes
on
that,
so
I
won't
repeat
it
all,
and
we
had
a
presentation
about
security
and
policing
in
the
park,
especially
having
to
do
with
equity,
and
we
learned
some
things
that
were
pretty
interesting
and
our
Parks.
A
The
bottom
line
is
our
parks
are
very
safe
and
they
do
a
good.
They
try
to
hard
not
to
express
bias
in
their
enforcement,
and
then
we
had
the
same
presentation
that
we
just
had
on
the
deer,
and
then
we
assign
people
to
the
different
development
plan
meetings,
and
then
we
talked
about
the
Bill
Thomas
award,
there's
going
to
be
an
in-person
celebration.
We
hope
that
and.
D
A
Deadline's
already
come
and
gone;
no,
it's
just
starting.
The
whole
process
is
just
starting
okay
yeah.
So
if
you
have
anybody
in
mind,
send
your
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
on
that
third
call
so
send
us
your
nominees
and
we
we
have
three
open
seats,
but
I
think
those
are
all
going
to
be
filled
and
we've
had
at
least
two
letters
that
I
recall.
A
One
was
a
report
to
the
county
on
last
year
and
the
other
one
was
the
the
plan
for
the
coming
year
and
there's
not
a
huge
amount
of
difference.
One
thing
we're
doing
next
month
is
having
a
joint
meeting
with
Recreation
commission
Sports,
the
sports
commission,
that
all
right
and
oh
and
a
big
thing
we
talked
about
with
tacos
with
the
Marymount
situation.
A
A
A
D
C
A
A
C
Wasn't
anything,
but
it
wasn't
just
about
the
reason
I
pointed
out
is
because
that
was
that
wasn't
just
about
Marymount,
because
Des
wanted
to
also
use
where
the,
where
the
salt
storages
yeah
right
along
there
yeah.
They
wanted
to
expand
that
to
have
all
of
the
half
of
all
the
vehicles
for
salt
removal
and
other
things
located
there
with
buildings
to
service
the
employees.
So
they
wouldn't
have
to
drive
back
to
the
to
here
so
frequently
and
it'll
be
more
efficient
and
also
to
have
it
better
organized
for
the
mulch
pickup
and
delivery.
C
So
there
were
a
number
of
moving
parts
and
that's
part
of
what
made
it
so
complicated
and
difficult,
but
the
Marymount
part
was
they
wanted
a
full
NCAA
size
soccer
field
with
stadiums
around
it,
which
would
have
taken
up
almost
all
the
park
and
the
only
way
you
could
have
a
design
that
did
both
is
to
have
all
the
DDS
stuff
underground
and
put
the
other
thing.
On
top
almost
died,
I'm,
exaggerating
a
little
bit
and
put
the
other
thing.
C
A
A
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment
about
that
from
the
perspective
of
my
trying
to
sell
free
trees
to
some
of
these
religious
institutions
that
wouldn't
didn't
want
to
accept
them
until
the
incentives
for
the
storm
water
utility
was
in
place
and
I
didn't,
in
my
mind,
make
the
connection
to
cutting
down
trees
as
the
next
logical
step.
A
So
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
because
well
and
we
had
to
talk
to
a
grandfather
in
both
conservation,
landscaping
and
trees,
and-
and
you
know,
one
of
the
things
I
was
talking
to
David
earlier
about
this
too.
Is
that
I
get
it
that
it's
not
a
huge
financial
incentive?
It
might
be
for
the
churches,
especially
because
they've
got
a
lot
of
their
part
parking
lot.
D
A
And
you
know:
how
do
you
incentivize
that
so
I
think
the
financial
incentives
do
make
a
big
difference
too,
but
on
you
know,
individual
properties.
It
goes
back
to
the
same
thing
in
the
wheat
ordinance
too
that
we're
trying
to
encourage
this
type
of
behavior
on
conservation,
landscape,
the
entry
canopy
yeah,
and
we
need
to
be
consistent
with
our
policies.
B
B
A
Planting
a
tree,
but
you
know
they
can
plant
a
tree
every
year
and
it
can
die
yeah
exactly
you
know
right.
So
it's
preserving
a
mature
tree.
There
ought
to
be
some
kind
of
incentive
to
that.
So
anyway,
it's
complicated
other
jurisdictions
have
done
more
interesting
things.
I
I
the
thing
I
said
right
about
Jacksonville
and.
A
They've
been
able
to
get
that
granular
analysis
of
it,
so
you
know
how
can
we
be.
B
F
A
I
want
to
just
plant
the
seed
too
on
when
we
talk
about
lock,
coverage
and
sort
of
following
up
on
our
meeting
from
last
two
months
with
Susan
yeah
I
thought
that
was
really
interesting.
She
offered
to
answer
questions
or
come
back
and
and
whatever
we
might
want
on
that,
but
there's
a
huge
amount
of
things
on
a
property
that
are
not
counted
as
impervious
surfaces
like
walkways
and-
and
you
know
anything
under
I
mean
it's
very
bizarre.
A
What
those
what
those
are
and
I
think
at
some
point
we
need
that's
a
big
deal.
You
know
people
are
building
these
additions
and
then
they
build
the
big
patio.
So
the
patios
don't
count
because
they're
on
level,
ground
level,
but
they're
in
an
impervious
service,
yeah,
and
so
you
know,
that's
definitely
impacting.
Oh
no
I.
A
C
Is
that
you
know
not
only
is
it
3D,
but
with
the
AI
supplementation,
they
can
distinguish
20
different
kinds
of
service
services,
including
swimming
pool
water
from
stream,
water
or
pond
water,
and
I
mean
you
don't
have
to
understand
how
all
that
exactly
Works
to
go
from
the
things
we've
discussed
in
the
past
year
to
the
letter
to
that
that
economies
of
scale
would
tell
you
there
are
about
a
dozen
things
that
the
county
could
do
with
this
kind
of
information
across
a
number
of
departments,
and
if
you
can
justify
it,
because
the
core
purpose
is
the
utility
fee
calculation
and
doing
it
as
accurately
as
possible.
C
Then
that's
justifiable
as
part
of
the
administrative
cost,
for
that
and
all
the
other
purposes
benefit
from
that
or
they
can
amortize
it
or
whatever.
If
they
want
it,
they
could
do
car
sharing.
But
the
whole
point
is:
if
you're
going
to
do
it
and
it's
this
sophisticated,
you
get
a
lot
of
bang
for
the
buck
for
doing
that,
and
that's
what
we
ought
to
be
doing
with
everything
from
tree
canopy
to
you
know
to
even
Light
Shadows.
C
You
know
there's
just
so
many
things
you
can
do.
Yeah.
A
So,
anyway,
more
to
follow
on
that,
but
just
that
was
interesting
discussion.
That's
sort
of
headed
in
that
direction
too.
Is
there
any
new
business
from
anyone?