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B
Okay,
I
want
to
introduce
folks
before
we
get
started.
Just
Jessica
knows
who
is
here
and
everybody
else.
We
have
record
who
is
here,
I'm
Carolyn
Haynes,
with
forestry
announced
Resource
Commission
I'm.
G
B
H
Delaney
principal
planner,
with
parts
development
and
project
manager
for
the
fnrp,
okay,.
B
A
I
I
Thank
you
for
having
me
I
want
to
start
out
talking
about
a
little
bit
of
History
in
March
2021,
the
Arlington
County
Civic
Federation
requested
an
updated
tree
canopy
report
in
March
2022,
the
forestry
Natural
Resources
Commission
identified
a
survey
and
an
inventory
as
top
priorities
for
that
year.
In
their
September
comments
of
that
year.
On
the
first
draft
of
the
forestry
and
that's
resources
plan,
the
forestry
commission
called
the
existing
2017
tree.
Canopy
report
quote
not
scientifically
defensible,
unquote.
I
I
in
response,
private
citizens
have
taken
it
upon
themselves
to
fund
a
new
tree.
Canopy
land
cover
study
using
2021
data,
and
it
comes
from
satellite
data
as
well
as
lidar
data
and
was
conducted
by
a
nationally
recognized
expert
firm.
The
result
is
a
much
more
detailed
picture
of
the
resource
base.
That
indicates
a
significant
loss
of
tree
canopy
and
an
increase
in
impermeable
surfaces.
I
I
Why
hasn't
Darlington
kept
pace
with
Alexandria
Fairfax
in
the
town
of
Vienna
Vienna
spent
17
000
last
fall
for
a
new
tree
canopy
study
in
his
ear
marked
85
000
for
a
full
public
tree
inventory,
which
Arlington
still
lacks.
Instead,
the
county
has
committed
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
on
Consultants
to
write
this
plan.
I
Why
is
the
new
information
so
valuable
now?
Well,
this
Commission
of
this
group
understands
that
our
natural
resources
taken
collectively
offer
major
public
service
benefit
in
the
areas
of
climate
change,
health
and
well-being,
flood
mitigation
and
much
much
more.
This
group
must
lean
in
to
optimize
this
plan.
I
recommend
the
following
actions:
one
pause:
the
preparation
of
the
plan
until
new
data
can
be
analyzed
and
integrated
into
it.
I
Two
use
the
data
to
provide
important
information
about
our
resource
base
and
set
measurable
goals
in
the
plan,
three
review:
the
justification
for
spending
an
additional
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
another
study.
Given
the
improved
2021
data,
that's
now
available
and
redirect
These
funds
to
use
for
full
tree
inventory,
I
know
this
is
asking
a
lot
and
compressing
a
lot
into
a
short
time,
but
I
will
send
along
a
picture
of
one
of
the
maps
that's
now
available
and
there
are
many
more
maps
that
will
be
available
shortly
for
analysis.
B
Great
thank
you.
That
was
exactly
three
minutes.
Thanks
mayor
appreciate
your
sharing
that
with
us
and
we'd,
be
happy
to
send
that
around
okay
next
I
want
to
introduce
Susan
Bell,
who
was
with
the
county
for
28
years
and
the
last.
B
However,
many
as
director
of
community
planning,
Housing
and
Development
and
Susan
was
there
when
they
did
the
last
lot
coverage
issue
or
adjustment,
and
so
anyway,
she,
as
we
were
talking
on
the
phone
today,
she
may
have
PTSD
after
all
of
that,
that
stuff
going
through
that
because
it
was,
it,
was
fraught
always
when
you
talk,
have
an
issue
like
this,
but
I
had
noted
that
this
is
a
discussion
point
that
we've
had
in
the
four-stering
knowledge
resource
plan
and.
H
B
It
so
I
thought
it
would
be
great
to
have
Susan
here,
since
she
was
there
on
the
front
line.
So
anyway
really
really
appreciate
you
being
here
and
giving
us
some
background
on
this,
and
so,
however,
you
want
to
proceed
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions
along
the.
E
Way
but
feel
free
to
ask
questions
as
I
go
because
I
have
kind
of
three
segments
of
information
I
want
to
share
and
if
at
any
time
it
becomes
unclear
or
I,
you
know
slip
into
jargon.
Stop
me,
as
Carolyn
said,
I
was
with
the
county
for
a
very
long
time.
E
10
of
those
years,
I
was
actually
the
zoning
administrator
for
the
county,
so
I
had
a
very
up
close
view
of
development
in
the
county
and
also
how
development
was
at
all,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
is
in
administration
of
the
code.
It's
not
just
the
drafting
of
new
ordinances.
You
know
frustrate
people
in
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
property.
E
The
day-to-day
administration
of
the
code
is
is
challenging
in
part,
because
people
want
to
do
things
that
go
on
allow
and
you
can
only
enforce
the
organs
you
have
not
the
one
you
wish
you
had,
and
there
are
frequently
more
lawyers
on
the
room
than
there
are
staff
to
deal
with
an
issue,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
just
lot
coverage
evolved
when
Arlington
developed
its
first
ordinance
in
1938,
it
was
13
pages
long
and
coverage
was
not
mentioned.
There
were
two
single-family
residential
zoning
districts.
E
13
Pages
two
districts
by
1942
is
about
50
pages
long
and
the
lot
coverage
term.
Was
it
not
introducing
a
definition
but
as
a
regulation,
and
it
was
restricted
to
30
percent
on
any
single
family
lot,
of
which
the
predominant
development
pattern
was
really
around.
What
we
think
of
as
the
metro
carter
neighborhoods,
the
oldest
neighborhoods
in
the
county,
30
percent-
and
it
basically
was
the
house
the
detached
garage,
because
that's
mostly
what
they
built
and
the
driveway,
which
was
frequently
strips.
In
those
days
there
weren't
accessory
buildings
there
weren't
multiple
sheds.
E
The
water
flowed
between
the
Lots,
largely
at
the
rear
property
line.
A
lot
of
neighborhoods
still
don't
have
strong
by
1950.
The
county
adopted
an
entire
news,
so
they
went
from
two
residential
districts
in
the
40s
to
pretty
much
the
same
single
family
names
we
have
today
and
in
1950
adopted
a
yet
another
whole
new
ordinance,
modified
coveraged
30
in
R5
and
R6.
The
two
smallest
lot
single-family
lot
zones,
five
thousand
and
six
thousand
square
foot
respectively
and
25
in
the
others.
E
So
in
R20
you
know
up
by
Gulf
Branch
or
up
by
Country
Club,
the
r10
R8
25
coverage
bigger
lot.
Yes,
a
bigger
house,
but
they
did.
They
just
didn't
feel
like
you
needed
as
much
land
area
covered.
E
Of
course,
in
some
of
the
larger
zones
you
have
more
lots
that
exceed
the
minimum,
whereas
in
the
R5
and
R6
zones
you
tend
to
have
lots
of
lots
that
are
substandard
but
were
planted
prior
to
the
adoption
of
zoning,
so
somewhere
between
1950
and
1965
I
could
not
find
it
and
I
don't
have
every
zoning
ordinance
ever
created.
Still
many.
F
E
A
lot
of
coverage
went
to
56
percent,
so
that
was
a
big
jump
in
15
years
that
was
from
1959
somewhere
the
65
ordinance,
which
of
which
there
were
many
amendments
between
50
and
65
somewhere
in
there
it
went
to
56
in
all
single-family
zones.
So
those
are
pretty
that
doubled
the
amount
of
coverage
you
could
have
at
R8,
r10
or
20.
the
big
big
properties
and
and
considerably
increased
it
in
the
smaller
Lots.
Well
now
we
could
argue
all
day
long
about
what
the
amphetams
were,
that
led
to
it.
E
E
E
E
There
was
just
a
lot
happening.
Pentagon
City
Mall
was
built
in
the
mid
80s
Arlington
was
becoming
a
fairly
enviable
location
for
people
to
live.
It
wasn't
what
we
used
to
call
Country
post
office
that
it
had
been
very
low-key,
and
you
know,
sort
of
mid-level
federal
worker
housing.
The
economy
was
changing
and
the
demands
for
development
were
changing
as
well.
So
in
the
80s
I
went
to
the
zoning
in
1988.
E
And
the
we
almost
joked
about
it,
but
the
most
frequent
addition
that
people
wanted
to
do
to
their
homes
was
blow
up.
The
back
of
the
house
put
on
the
kitchen,
great
room,
master,
bedroom,
suite
above
and
a
big
deck
that
was
the
classic
and
the
The
Challenge
on
that
wasn't
lot
coverage
because
virtually
no
houses
exceeded
lot
coverage.
E
56
was
almost
unattainable
right.
Okay,
if
you
were
going
to
meet
your
setbacks,
nobody
got
variances
for
a
lot
of
coverage
unless
their
house
was
being
used
legally
or
otherwise.
For
too
many
people
you
know
it
was
just
almost
impossible
because
part
of
the
coverage
definition
both
in
the
ordinance
and
practice
was
it's
everything
that
the
footprint
of
the
house,
a
garage
events
detached
and
the
driveway,
but
the
wording
actually
is
anything
that
is
used
for
parking
or
maneuvering.
E
Know
yeah,
it
might
be
a
patio
some
days,
but
if
the
cars
are
there
every
night
and
all
weekend
Etc
we
considered
it
coverage,
and
so
those
were
the
kinds
of
situations
where
we
had
people
bumping
up
against
56.
It
wasn't
people
trying
to
fill
their
lot
with
structures.
You
know
residences
what
we
were
also
seeing
in
those
additions
was
a
considerable
increase
in
the
size
of
the
average
house.
Right
yeah,
you
know
you're,
basically
doubling
the
size
of
the
house,
the
80s.
I
E
E
So
you
you'd
only
grow
your
house
so
much
and
that
increase
that
new
edition
had
to
conform
to
the
ordinance,
even
if
the
house
didn't
so
in
my
neighborhood
there
are
a
number
of
houses
that
are
still
three
feet
off
the
property
line
that
blew
out
the
back
and
went
as
far
back
as
they
could
and
still
conform,
ity
or
defense.
So
yeah,
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
Franken
houses
that
from
the
street
look
great.
E
Maybe,
but
you
know,
when
you
go
to
the
side,
there's
just
a
lot
more
house
there,
but
even
then
they
didn't
approach
56
percent,
okay,
so
the
average
size
is
going
up,
and
you
know
this
is
a
period
when
Arlington's
affluences
of
community
was
really
growing
and
the
kinds
of
people
that
were
moving
here
were
people
who
were
earning
not
just
in
the
federal
sector.
E
So
it
ripples
through
the
whole
system.
So,
by
the
time,
some
of
the
houses
that
we
thought
of
as
Monster
houses
were
growing,
we're
being
built.
The
Pershing
Drive
house
was
one
that
affected
our
neighborhood.
E
You
know
there
were
some
of
these
sort
of
exemplars
of
monster
houses
or
suburban
construction,
that
people
were
very
unhappy
about
and
they
didn't
like
the
appearance
of
a
you
know,
a
Cape
Cod
or
a
split
foyer
Center
Hall
Colonial,
Bungalow
type
house,
any
of
those
types
of
houses
that
were
you
know
one
to
two
stories,
and
then
you
had
a
house
that
was
maximum
height
right
next
to
it.
People
were
really
unhappy
about
it.
So
when
do
you
start
to
see
those
complaints
trickle
in
like
in
the
80s
in
the
80s
yeah?
E
With
I
mean
even
with
people
wanting,
you
know
the
big
Edition
out
the
back,
but
one
of
the
things
we
started
to
see
was
people
wanting
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
basement,
and
there
were
building
code
changes
that
came
into
being.
You
know
you
have
a
minimum
height
for
the
basement,
well,
that
minimum
height
also
requires
a
window.
Well,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
bedroom
down
there,
people
wanted
to
have
the
access
the
extra
bedroom
down
there.
So
now
you
that's
starting
to
drive
the
geometry
of
the
basement.
Is
the
window?
I
E
You're
gonna
be
able
to
get
up.
That
means
all
the
houses
are
half-based
and
out
of
the
ground,
steps
to
the
front.
Suddenly,
the
house
is
pushing
up
against
the
height
limit,
so
we
did
get
variances
for
height.
Sometimes
it
was
a
builder
error.
Sometimes
it
was
you
know
genuine
proposal,
but
height
was
calculated
from
the
curb
line.
E
This
is
it's
it's
hard
to
even
make
it
sound
sensible
at
this
point,
but
we
use
the
curb
elevation
and
it
was
to
the
midpoint
of
the
main
roof
35
feet.
So
developers
and
Architects
got
very
clever
about
designing
roof
pitches
such
that
they
could
get
a
lot
of
space
under
roof
and
they
didn't
have.
E
Very
you
know
sort
of
erect
looking
houses,
whereas
we
would
have
in
our
older
houses
mine's
almost
100
years
old.
You
have
sloped
walls,
yeah
in
pretty
much
every
room
upstairs
doesn't
happen
in
these
houses.
They're,
you
know
six
or
seven
or
ten
stairs
to
the
front
door.
The
garage
may
be
partially
submerged
basement
is
half
out
of
the
ground.
The
walls
are
straight
all
the
way
up
and
the
roof
pitch
may
be.
You
know
multiple
pitches,
lots
of
Dormers.
E
We
had
to
come
up
with
interpretations
for
how
big
a
dormer
could
be
before
it
became
a
floor,
because
people
would
want
to
Dormer
the
entire
length
of
a
wall
and
then
try
to
tell
you
that.
Oh
it's,
not
it's
a
dormer.
Oh
no,
that's
like
that's
a
new
wall.
You
know
that's
a
new
roof,
and
so
we
were
dealing
with
all
these
things
and
the
BCA
case
was
for
adjustments
to
building
High
Street
setback,
occasionally
to
side
yard
or
aggregate
side
yard,
which
was
the
aggregate.
It
was
different.
E
Eight
was
your
minimum
and
then
there
was
another
number
and
sometimes
people
couldn't
make
both
numbers
sets
of
numbers
work,
but
the
distance
between
the
main
building
and
the
detached
garage
or
the
shed
became
an
issue.
In
some
cases,
people
couldn't
make
the
10
feet.
It
was
supposed
to
be
a
10
foot,
swap
the
busy
I
was
happy
to
Grant
10
foot
point
to
point
point
so:
VCA
Board
of
zoning
appeal
appointed
by
the
circuit
court
for
four-year
terms
amazing
case
of
300
cases.
It
sounds
like
the
wild
west
of
coming
up.
You.
E
Still
we
were
still
operating,
you
know
with
the
same
set
of
rules
we've
had
since
the
50s
for
the
most
part,
and
we
thought
they
were
pretty
sound,
but
there
is
a
statute
in
the
code
of
Virginia.
That
says,
if
your
board
of
zoning
appeals
is
routinely
granting
variances
for
particular
Provisions.
You
need
to
take
a
look
at
the
provision.
That's
okay!
E
So
we
we
did
do
a
few
things
kind
of
around
the
edges,
see
I
love
zoning
in
98.,
and
we
did
a
few
things
to
deal
with
pipe
stem
Lodge
and
split
lots
and
a
couple
of
other
things.
But
then
it
became
clear
that,
with
the
push
back
on
infill,
we
were
really
going
to
have
to
take
a
more
comprehensive
look.
So
there
was
sort
of
the
top
10
items
and
we
saved
coverage
for
last
for
obvious
reasons,
but
you
know,
among
the
things
we
amended
was:
where
do
you
calculate?
E
We
moved
it
from
the
curb
to
the
front
of
the
building,
because
we
had
so
many
complaints
about
Builders
mounding
up
dirt
to
change
where
the
height
calculation
was
made.
Oh,
my
God!
Damn,
okay-
and
you
know
boy-
is
that
hard
it's
hard
to
tell
I.
B
E
The
curb,
like
the
surveys,
that
look
exactly
the
same,
have
different
numbers
on
them.
You
know
yeah,
that's
something
to
say
that
they're,
you
know
shylocks
or
anything
like
that,
but
that
the
you
know
some
of
this
is
more
art
than
science.
Okay,
so
we
did
Building
height.
We
did
aggregate
side
yard.
We
did
the
distance
between
Maine
and
accessory
building.
We
did
a
variety
of
things
and
finally,
we
had
to
take
on
coverage,
and
so
we
started
coverage
say
around
2002.
E
Think
I
was
I,
wasn't
doing
it
day
to
day
at
that
point,
I
was
director
of
the
department
at
that
point
and
wasn't
in
the
weeds
of
it.
Fortunately,
but
the
thing
that
I
think
that's
important
to
to
note
is
that
the
infill
actually
had
continued
right.
So
even
with
these
changes
that
are
being
made,
incrementally
people
are
relatively
okay
with
them.
We're
not
getting
a
lot
of
outcry
about
any
of.
E
Even
with
these
like
sweeping
changes
that
wasn't
like
a
whole
bunch,
well,
they
really
were
incremental.
You
know,
because
frankly,
most
Lots
in
Arlington
are
relatively
flat
and
we
would
get
variance
requests
on
steeply
sloping
Lots,
where
the
the
difference
between
the
curb
and
where
they
could
build
the
top
of
the
of
the
thing
they
could
build
a
dog
house.
You
know
they
just
couldn't
put
much
of
a
house
there
and
the
BC
always
granted
us.
E
So
we
decided,
let's
mitigate
the
issue
of
Topo
and
we'll
create
a
different.
You
know
thing
that's
relevant
to
the
ex
actual
house,
that's
being
built
a
position
that's
being
built.
It
sounds
to
me
like
that
was
an
excellent
time
to
make
those
changes.
Then,
before
folks
were
moving
in,
who
would
be
opinionated.
A
E
Mean
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
we
had
no
attention
Patriot,
because
we,
you
know,
we
made
the
rounds
with
the
neighborhood
conservation.
Folks
with
the
various
Civic
associations
that
were
most
concerned,
we
went
to
Historic,
we
went
to
all
the
relevant
commissions,
but
it's
pretty
Technical
and
most
people,
you
know
if
they
stood
on
the
street,
couldn't
tell
you
whether
a
house
was
35
feet
or
30
feet,
but
they
know
what
they
like
and
so
trying
to
figure.
E
B
E
Topic
by
the
time
we
were
doing
coverage,
we
were
embroiled
in
affordable
housing.
H
E
We've
had
five
lawsuits
filed,
we
were
because
it
was
2002
Professor.
Well,
it
was
actually
2005
was
when
we
had
all
the
real,
affordable
housing
working
group
going,
but
2002
or
three
was
about
when
we
began
the
coverage
work,
but
we
had
better
tools
than
we'd
had
before
you
know
everything
wasn't
a
paper
file.
We
had
more
up-to-date
flyovers
of
the
county,
we
had
GIS
mapping,
so
we
actually
could
figure
stuff
out.
E
You
know
what
is
actually
happening
on
the
ground,
and
so
we
had
different
proposals
that
came
in
but,
unlike
you
know,
the
early
discussions
back
in
the
day
about
light
and
air
and
preserving
Green,
Space
and
Carters
for
birds
and
things
like
that.
Some
of
the
issues
that
came
up
in
those
discussions
were
oh,
my
God.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
largely
built
up
community.
E
We
really
didn't
see
that
as
being
a
huge
issue,
but
there
were
instances
of
people
who
couldn't
get
financing
for
things.
They'd
had
a
conversation
with
their
Banker
or
their
mortgage
banker,
and
they
were
told
I,
don't
know
you
know,
even
when
you
know
that
kind
of
hesitancy,
so
that
left
a
lot
of
people
really
antsy
about
it
and
I.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
in
2005
Arlington
had
96
000
housing
units
all
types.
E
Ninety
six
thousand
one
Thirty
One
27
678
were
single
family
houses,
okay,
so
not
quite
a
little
more
than
a
quarter
of
all
the
housing
in
the
county
of
a
single
family.
That
was
only
an
increase
of
1100
since
1983.
net
new
net
new
houses.
E
in
2022,
the
most
recent
County
profile
says:
there's
120,
200
housing
units
in
Arlington,
27
500
are
single
family,
detached
houses
and
all
of
these
numbers
are
are
the
20-somethings
are
are
detached.
That
means
we
have
had
a
net
increase
since
2005
of
1323
house,
so
most
of
the
single-family
stuff
you're
seeing
is
tear
Downs,
yeah,
tear
downs
and
rebuilds
yep.
Okay,
so
I
mentioned
that
there
were
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
we
were
doing
the
2000.
What
became
the
2005
Amendment?
E
There
was
a
big
ground
swell
to
not
make
a
substantial
portion
of
that
number
of
houses.
Non-Conforming
there
was
and
part
of
the
issue
with
non-conforming
Not
only
was
the
financing,
but
we
had
rules
about
what
you
could
do
to
non-conforming
properties
and
if
your
house
was
flattened
by
a
tree,
could
you
build
it
back
and
the
rules
at
the
time
said
if
your
house
is
flattened
and
it
exceeds
75
percent
of
the
value
of
the
house?
E
No,
so
you'd
have
to
build,
you
have
to
build
it
back
and
you
would
have
to
comply
with
the
current
rules.
Whatever
rules
are
in
effect
and
people
were
very
exercised
about
the
value
of
the
location
had
only
grown,
you
know
by
2005..
E
The
average
size
of
houses
went
up
and
I
don't
have
access
to
those
numbers,
but
nationally
the
average
size
of
the
house
went
up
until
the
crash
of
2007
flattened
for
a
few
years
and
went
back
up
again
after
Cove
or
during
coven.
So
among
the
issues
you
know
we
had
the
non-conforming
one.
We
had
the
pressure
on
the
fact
that
it's
a
built
up
Community
how
many
more
houses
can
we
possibly
fit?
A
lot
of
the
biggest
states
had
been
sold
and
subdivided
by
them.
E
We
had
continuing
building
code
requirements
and
pressure
from
things
like
accessory
dwellings
and
people's
desires
to
have
family
suites
and
now,
of
course,
all
of
that
has
moved.
Way
Beyond
the
rules
that
were
then
in
place
yet
involved
in
consumer
expectations
for
housing.
I
talked
about
the
no
sloping
walls,
single
purpose
room.
You
know,
everybody
needs
a
home
office.
Now
they
still
wanted
a
home
gym.
Then
you
know
things
that
you
know.
If
you
live
in
a
bungalow
like
I,
do
you
just
you
go
yeah?
That's
that's
the
butler
pantry.
E
You
know
whatever,
but
people
people
wanted
different
things
and
they
were
willing
to
pay
for
the
location.
And,
frankly,
the
housing
stock
in
Arlington
was
old.
You
know
if
you,
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
census,
numbers
and
I
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
pull
them.
The
the
average
age
of
the
housing
stock
in
the
county
was
50
years
or
more
by
2005..
E
So
you
know
the
useful
life
of
the
structure.
Had
it
not
been
maintained
or
well-maintained
was
approaching
the
point
where,
for
some
people
it
was
Obsolete
and
that
for
them
the
cost
of
renovation
and
the
brain
damage
associated
with
it
was
too
much
and
frankly,
we
all
know
that
renovation
per
square
foot
cost
is
higher
than
new
construction.
So
for
a
lot
of
people,
there's
no
there's
no
math
to
do
they
just
buy
it.
E
Tear
it
down
and
build
a
new
one
and
I
guess
the
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
that
there
were.
You
know
these
competing
pressures
were
somewhat
of
a
old
Arlington,
new
Arlington
kind
of
thing,
but
there
were
certain
neighborhoods
that
were
more
accepting
of
the
changes
than
others,
but
the
the
notion
of
sort
of
Do
no
harm
was
was
very
front
and
center
to
this
existing
house.
Housing
stock
of
you
know:
27
000
houses.
They
want
people
to
suddenly
be
unable
to
do
it.
E
E
E
We
felt
we
needed
to
have
you
know
a
cap,
otherwise
it
would
just
overwhelm
a
lot,
but
you
know,
in
all
honesty,
the
focus
was
very,
very
much
on
physical,
we
weren't
looking
at
the
natural
environment,
we
weren't
even
really
looking
at
runoff
The
Chez,
Bay
ordinances
were
being
amended
and
the
Planters
and
all
of
those
things
were
coming
in
subsequent
to
this
amendment,
but
our
Focus
was
strictly
on.
E
You
know
how
big
should
the
building
be?
Can
it?
How
do
we
treat
unusual
Lots,
odd,
shaped
lots,
lots
with
toppo
Etc,
and
so
we
we
took
a
proposal
to
the
board
in
probably
January
of
05..
They
advertised
it
in
February
gave
us
marching
orders
to
go
back
and
look
at
actual
construction.
E
We
had
somebody
go
back
and
pull
the
last
200
houses
and
they
were
able
to
analyze
them
and
none
of
them
approached
56,
so
we
felt
very
comfortable
dropping
below
56,
but
we
didn't
feel
comfortable
having
a
one-size-fits
all
so
with
the
sliding
scale
did
that
reduce
the
number
of
non-compliance
structures
ultimately
and
that
reduced
the
fear
surrounding
it.
I
think
the
thing
that
took
away
I
almost
took
away
the
fear,
but
the
maybe
mitigated
some
of
it
was
adjusting
the
non-conforming
building
rules
providing
them
deciding
yes
well
giving
them
in
the
non-conforming
provisions.
E
Instead
of
having
that
50
limit
additions
were
allowed
as
long
as
they
conformed.
So
there
wasn't
a
50
restriction
anymore.
E
Right,
so
we
because
that
50
was
well,
we
let's
see
it,
should
leave.
Let's
see
it's
just
continuing
interest
in
being
a
conforming
property.
I
guess.
E
I
guess
of
this
earlier,
my
recollection
was
that
there
was
a
the
language
when
taken
together
allowed
you
to
do
more
than
just
this
50
rule.
Did
they
also
clarified
the?
E
There
was
a
conflict
between
our
local
ordinance
and
the
code
of
Virginia
on
how
long
you
had
if
you
had
a
Calamity
to
your
structure
and
of
course
we
did
have
a
number
of
houses
that
were
severely
damaged
after
Isabel
and
all
the
trees
came
down
and
there
were
houses
that
went
well
past
a
year
be
before
they
could
go
to
construction
because
of
fighting
with
insurance
companies
and
contractors,
and
our
rules
have
been
a
year.
E
We
switched
to
two
because
in
fact
that's
what
the
state
code
said,
but
they
clarified
it
and
it
wasn't
restricted
to
value,
because
that
75
figure
for
an
older
house
just
wasn't
helpful.
If
you
were
trying
to
get
to
a
new
house
or
a
new
portion
of
a
house.
But
again
the
sliding
scale
was
intended
to
reflect
on
the
fact
that
you
know
the
5
000
square
foot
single
family
lot
that
some
of
the
oldest
neighborhoods
have
is
probably
smaller
than
any
other
community
in
Northern
Virginia.
H
E
Be
closer
to
10.
or
eight
Old
Town
Alexandria,
of
course,
is
an
exception,
but
it's
an
exception
because
it's
completely
a
stark
as
well.
So
you
know
the
goals
of
this
were
really
to
do
as
little
harm
as
possible
to
allow
people
to
invest
in
their
properties,
because
I
think
there
there's
a
desire
that
the
housing
stock
be
healthy
and
that
it
be
safe.
E
I
think
there
was
a
recognition
that
we
needed
to
allow
some
growth
in
the
single
family
stock.
But
again
it's
been
modest.
E
Very
you
know
what
is
it
1100
homes
and
almost
over
20
years
and
then
a
smaller
number,
but
the
continued
teardown
phenomenon,
I
think
is
also
also
you
know,
starting
to
Wrangle
people.
E
It's
double
lots
and
there's
a
provision
that
is,
you
know,
kind
of
hard
to
find,
but
there
is
a
provision
that
says
if
you
had
a
platted
lot
and
the
lot
was
in
the
same
ownership
at
the
time
when
that
section
was
adopted,
you
could
break
those
lots
apart
and
they
would
each
stand
on
their
own
to
be
eligible
for
development
with
a
house.
So,
for
example,
there
is
a
series
of
wedge-shaped
Lots
in
Lion
Park
you're,
going
to
build
one
house
they've
been
held
in
the
same
ownership.
E
E
B
Which
is
why
a
lot
of
this
I
know
there's
a
couple
streets
in
Westover
where
they
were
all
double
lots
and
they're
all
they
were
all
torn
down
and
put
two
houses
there.
E
I
have
a
friend
who
lives
in
one
of
those
like
lima
bean
shaped
box
now,
but
you
know
the
setback
is
insane.
Do
they
just
look
crazy
yeah
and
she
paid
a
fortune?
Well.
E
We
spent
three
years
trying
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
define
minimum
average
a
lot
with
in
a
way
that
surveyors
wouldn't
give
us
lot
lines
that
went
like
this,
because
it
was
the
midpoint
of
the
lot
and
then
we
created
Five
Points
to
try
and
geometrically
smooth
it
out.
They
found
ways
it's
kind
of
amazing.
You
know
it's
like
a
red
flag,
so,
but
I
think
you
know
at
the
time
that
we
did
this.
This
was
sort
of
the
end
of
a
multi-part
cycle.
E
We
felt
like
the
package
together
would
give
us
reasonable
infill
regulations
for
the
next
10
years,
15
years,
maybe
because
it
it's
a
big
thing
to
take
this
on.
You
know
even
using
GIS
to
calculate
actual
coverages
of
lots
and
flyovers
and
things
like
that.
It
it's
a
big
project.
So
it's
not
surprising
to
me
that
they've
gone
this
long
without
looking
at
coverage
again,
one
of
the
outcomes
and
I
believe
it's
on
the
on
the
County
website.
E
E
You
know,
people
put
them
up
for
their
kids
and
then
they
become
sheds
and
but
they're
there
they
are
sitting
on
the
ground.
What
was
one
of
the
other
ones?
Oh
people
do.
In
some
cases
people
put
decks
at
eight
inches,
it's
like
a
patio,
but
sometimes
decks
come
off
the
second
level
and
it's
not
really
on
the
ground.
E
Just
the
posts
are
on
the
ground,
and
so
we
we
really
needed
sort
of
a
guidebook
as
to
how
things
were
going
to
be
calculated,
and
so
the
administrator
at
the
time
put
together
a
a
list,
a
determination
which
was
not
challenged
in
court,
and
so
that's
it
was
not.
Okay,.
E
Talk
about
coverage,
it
just
talks
about
the
permission
to
have
zoning
regulations
and
it
kind
of
lives
it
up
to
you,
even
in
the
local
jurisdiction
to
Define,
what's
acceptable
for
them
in
the
legislative
process.
E
C
E
E
I'm
your
opinion,
given
that
this
hasn't
been
looked
at
in
such
a
long
time.
Where
do
you
think
I'm
gonna
put
the
blame
on
developers
are
picking
the
biggest
holes
we
don't
regulate,
treat
preservation
on
private
property,
I
think
that's
a
huge
hole.
Okay
and
I
would
say
that
if
I
wasn't
here,
I
would
say
that
yeah.
E
E
You
know
I
I
spent
a
lot
of
years
listening
to
people
yell
about
different
things,
and
it's
very
different
when
it's
there
a
lot
people
are
are
more
than
willing
to
tell
you
what
to
do
with
your
property,
but
they
don't
want
anybody
to
tell
them
what
to.
C
E
I
mean
it's
just
human
nature,
so
I
I
do
think
that
that
is
something
you
know.
We've
lost
a
lot
of
White
Oaks
in
our
neighborhood
and
other
people.
I
can't
borrow
someone
else's
candidate
to
make
my
yard
not
be
in
the
sun
all
the
time,
so
I
think
that's
one
I
think
pretty
much
any
set
of
rules
that
you
come
up
with.
There
will
be
clever
people
who
will
work
to
find
a
way
around
them,
but
I
think
we
have
to
establish
what
our
values
are
with
respect
to
development
as
a
community.
E
Do
we
want
it?
Do
we
want
it
to
look
a
particular
way
or
do
we
not
care?
You
know.
One
of
the
big
debates
in
o5
was
about
sort
of
bonus
coverage
for
detached
garages
and
front
porches.
Those
were
considered
Community
Goods
people
didn't
like
the
house
attached
to
a
garage
appearance
that
some
new
construction
had.
You
know
this
sort
of
the
double
garage
doors
and
then
the
house
is
set
back
and
it
it
kind
of
looks
like
the
garage
is
in
charge
and
a
lot
of
people
didn't.
E
B
Right,
no
one
who
cares
well
now
because
it's
been
an
issue
with
trees,
because
when
you
put
your
garage
in
the
back
typically
that's.
E
E
So
that
they
can
actually
be
maintained
on
the
person's
property,
they
used
to
be
allowed
to
be
one
foot
from
the
side
and
the
rear
lot
line.
I
mean
you
can't
even
get
a
ladder
up
there
to
clean
the
gutters.
If
you're
happy
with
that,
so
we
you
know,
we
tried
to
do
some
things
that
would
make
that
detached
garage,
less
of
a
burden
for
the
Neighbors
who
kind
of
got
it
shoved
it
toward
them.
But
at
the
same
time
we
modified
the
point-to-point
calculator.
E
You
know
the
swath
of
10
feet
between
that
garage
and
the
house
went
from
a
swath
of
10
to
a
typically
granted
10.
Now
it's
eight
feet
by
right
point
to
point.
So
that's
why
this
gone
probably
has
a
deck
in.
It
may
have
a
screen
porch.
At
this
point
you
know
the
sort
of
what
was
important
has
changed.
B
E
You
know
I
do
not
want
to
talk
about
missing
middle,
but
I,
think
that
has
generated
a
lot
of
conversation
about
what
people
want
and
the
things
that
keep
coming
up
have
to
do
with
trees
and
the
size
of
existing
houses
is
not
talked
about,
except
in
terms
of
what
might
be
built
under
missing
metal,
so
I
I
feel
like
you
should
attack
the
issues
that
bother.
You.
F
See
your
hand,
oh
thanks,
I
just
I
just
raised
it.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
great
presentation,
I
just
I,
feel
like
I,
should
know
this,
but
something
like
25
percent
of
the
housing
stock
is
single
family.
F
E
Can
speak
to
it
in
terms
of
the
tax
base?
Okay,
50
of
the
taxes
in
the
county
are
generated
by
the
transit
cars
and
50
percent
by
the
single-family
neighborhoods.
You
know,
and
it
it
shifts
a
few
percent
either
way
each
year,
but
significantly
more
land
area
is
in
single-family
housing.
I
just
don't
know
the
number
I.
D
Think
it's
around
80
Joe,
but
one
of
the
early
missing
middle,
like
concept,
presentations,
there's
a
map
that
has
like
the
layers
and
you
can
see
kind
of
visually
how
the
single
family
zoning
area
is
compare
to
Commercial
and
mixed
use.
It's
pretty
dramatic,
oh
yeah,
yeah!
It's
really
striking.
It's
like
mostly
yellow,
yellow,
is.
F
F
Well,
I
was
just
wondering
I
mean:
can
I
follow
up
a
little
bit?
Yeah?
Absolutely
so
you
know
we're
going
to
have
these
new
storm
water
rules.
I
guess
the
county
is
going
to
vote
on
them
in
April
and
they're
being
developed
now,
and
so
that's
more
of
an
incentive
situation
instead
of
a
zoning.
You
know
it's
kind
of
getting
at
it
with
the
carrot.
I
guess
instead
of
the
stick
but
I
mean,
do
you
have
any
view?
Maybe
I'm?
F
Not
maybe
I
shouldn't
ask
you
this,
but
do
you
think
that'll
have
any
effect
on
a
lot
of
coverage
and
tree
retention
and
and
actually.
F
They
haven't
been
published,
haven't
been
made
public
yet,
but
but
the
concept
is
to
you
know
require
more.
F
E
I
I
think
that
will
probably
make
housing
in
Arlington
more
valuable,
because
the
location
only
gets
better.
I
D
E
I
think
of
infill
as
development
that
is
replacing
what
was
there
or
where
there
was
no
development
before
so
it
could
be
that
Big
Lot
that
gets
split
or
it
could
be
a
tear
down
to
me.
Okay,
it's
it's
change.
Yeah
I,
don't
consider
the
transit
cards,
the
site
plan
development
info,
that's
just
wholesale
Redevelopment,
Arlington's,
okay,
Arlington
always
wanted
to
leverage
the
transit
investment
in
Redevelopment.
Even.
D
E
E
It's
and
it's
my
planning
background,
but
I
see
what
happens
within
the
sort
of
metro
station
area
that
quarter
mile
as
being
very
different
and
what
is
happening
out
in
the
neighborhoods
but
commercial
streets
and
as
a
generalization
I
think
we
see
that
pretty
clearly
I
I
think
there's
an
element
here
of
like
historic
preservation
that
we're
not
bringing
up
and
how
that
can
also
impact
the
life
cycle
of
a
home
and
the
ability
for
it
to
be
able
to.
E
Just
like
for
sure
did
that
have
any
impact
on
this
timeline.
Well,
that's
actually
an
interesting
question.
We,
the
county,
has
a
historic
preservation
provision.
That's
part
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
within
it
there
is
something
called
a
neighborhood
historic
district
neighborhoods
could
propose
that
their
houses
be
included
in
a
historic
district,
and
we
have
two
right
now:
Maywood
and
Buckingham
and
I
believe
it's
the
entirety
of
Buckingham
condos,
co-ops
and
I
can
tell
you.
There
was
litigation
about
the
Buckingham
I've
lived
in
one
of
those
for
a
while.
E
H
E
Includes
trees
in
both
cases,
okay
and
they
each
had
design
guidelines
developed
that
say
that
trees
over
a
certain
cow
are
can't
be
cut,
and
unless
originally
it
was
the
hlrb
and
then
I
think
they
went
back
and
said
you
know.
If
there's
been
a
tree,
that's
broken
in
a
storm
staff
can
go
out
and
approve
it.
A
couple
of
other
neighborhoods,
including
lion,
Park,
considered
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
They
were
pretty
intact
at
that
time.
E
I'll
forget
what
the
other
was.
The
votes
in
the
neighborhoods
were
just
vacancies:
parts
of
Clarendon.
We
actually
tried
to
put
parts
of
Clarendon,
the
old
commercial
and
then
Property
Owners
resisted,
so
that
has
not
I
mean
if
you
have
a
willing
Community,
it's
great,
but
it
has
not
caught
off.
Is
there
like
a
nvct
for
historic
preservation?
E
E
Yeah
with
the
Department
of
interior,
you
can
have
a
neighborhood
put
on
the
national
register
and
buildings
put
on
the
national
register
and
lots
of
Arlington
neighborhoods
have
been
put
on
the
register,
and
that
gives
property
owners
access
to
tax
credits.
You
have
to
do
a
lot
of
work
to
earn
the
tax
credit
and
you
can
be
rejected
and
that
you
know
it
can
take.
You
several
turns
of
the
wheel
to
get
approval,
but
it's
a
fairly
sizable
tax
credit
if
you
can
get
approved
for
a
while.
E
E
And
also
strikes
me
that
they're,
probably
less
and
less
eligible
homes,
I
was
talking
myself
too
potentially
I
know
in
the
case
of
our
houses,
State
rejected
a
project
that
we
wanted
to
do.
We
had
concrete
steps
and
we
took
them
off
and
we
did
replaced
it
with
time.
E
C
E
E
H
F
E
It's
it's
I,
don't
think
you
can
get
tax
credits
for
preserving
trees,
but
in
terms
of
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
but
I
think
sensitive
design
that
allows
entry
to
be
preserved.
Yes
and
actually
Carrie
Johnson
worked
on
a
design
manual
for
Ashton
Heights,
her
neighborhood,
so
that
when
they
had
Renovations,
they
would
be
sensitive.
E
E
F
F
F
E
Don't
know
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
Carolyn
and
I
talked
about.
This
is
maybe
I'm
jumping
ahead
a
little
bit,
but
one
of
the
things
you
know
that's
always
challenging.
If
the
county
doesn't
have
the
authority
getting
the
general
assembly
to
vote.
Something
in
that,
isn't
you
know
that
might
be
throughout
the
Commonwealth
is
challenging,
and
so
one
of
the
the
options
is
to
try
for
Arlington's
specific
legislation
and
put
it
in
the
county
manager
plan
section
of
the
code
of
Virginia,
not
in
the
full
blown.
E
Everybody
has
to
deal
with
it,
and
so
I
did
look
up
an
Arlington's,
affordable
housing
ordinance,
which
was
adopted
ultimately
by
the
general
assembly
for
us,
is
in
the
county
manager
plan
section
of
chapter
15.2.
B
Of
the
code,
so
this
was
fascinating
to
me,
and
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
know
this,
but
when
Susan
and
I
were
talking
this
afternoon,
can
you
just
sort
of
give
a
little
more
background.
E
There's
a
lot
of
different
forms
of
government
and
County
Executive
accounting
manager,
Council
manager,
and
then
what
we
have
is
a
manager
who's
supposed
to
be
the
chief
administrative
officer
and
then
an
elected
board,
and
that's
called
the
county
manager
plan
of
government
and
in
the
in
the
section
of
the
state
code
that
deals
with
government
Charters
and
things
like
that,
and
then
moves
on
to
zoning
and
subdivision
and
all
they're
are
regulations
around
the
county
manager
plan
of
government.
So
it's
kind
of
a
grab
bag
of
Provisions.
E
It's
everything
from
the
grievance
procedure
that
staff
has
to
follow
to
you
know
whether
you
can
require
employees
to
live
in
the
county
Etc,
but
the
affordable
housing
ordinance
is
there
and
there
are
other
permissions.
And
so,
if
you
wanted
to
do
something
that
was
pretty
much
just
Arlington,
that's
where
you
could
put
it
and
then
nobody
else
in
Virginia
would
have
to
abide
by
it
unless
they
were
that
form
of
government
or
switched
to
that
form
of
government.
But
they
could
probably
also
get
it
amended
to
take
themselves
out
of
that.
F
F
E
God,
the
population,
no
more
than
no
less
than
in
planning
district,
a
in
the
sunsets
over
the
commercial
area
of
Roslyn,
and
it's
it's
kind
of
like
that.
If
you
want
to
put
it
in
the
more
General
Provisions,
you
really
have
to
build
coalition
and
that's
a
multi-year
step.
That's
not
a
single
thing,
because
I
mean
you've.
Probably
all
heard
the
jokes
about
the
people
in
the
public
of
Arlington
when
it
comes
to
the
general
assembly.
C
Could
you
talk
about
the
historic,
the
history
behind
when
those
plans
the
when
there's
particular
ideas
have
come
up
and
what,
if
this
community
is
trying
to
put
a
Special
Rule
just
for
themselves,
I
mean?
How
often
does
that
actually
go
through?
Well,
you
know,
or
is
it
almost
a
you
know
a
Fool's
errand
hoping.
E
No
I
wouldn't
I
would
never
call
a
Fool's
earned
if
it's
something
that
you
believe
needs
to
be
done.
You
just
have
to
be
in
it
for
the
long
haul.
Sometimes
when
we,
when
we
did
the
affordable
housing
workings,
we
got
the
agreement
of
a
citizen
developer
task
force.
E
Barbara
favola
went
to
the
general
assembly,
she
wasn't
in
the
general
assembly
at
the
time,
so
she
was,
she
testified.
As
a
County
Board
member,
we
worked
with
neighboring
jurisdictions,
who
you
know
because
Arlington's
site
plan
process
is
very
different
than
what
everybody
else
does.
E
Everybody
else
has
a
slightly
different
Tech,
but
we
do
optional
increases
in
density
in
consideration
for
X
and
Y,
and
so
the
work
was
done
and
I
think
because
the
legislation
was
just
for
Arlington
and
because
there
was
a
pretty
much
unanimous
support
for
it
within
this
working
group
of
citizens
and
Developers
I
think
the
general
assembly
who
had
to
vote
on
it,
the
committee
and
then
the
ultimate
votes
felt
like
okay,
it's
okay
and
we
we
had
other
legislation
that
came
our
way
that
you
know
like
I.
E
I
did
a
civil
penalties
program
for
zoning
because,
frankly,
nobody's
going
to
get
a
criminal
record
for
zoning
violation
or
not
often,
certainly
never
in
my
time,
and
so
we
decided
to
go
for
civil
penalties
with
fines.
We
didn't
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
so
we
went
Arlington
only
for
that
got
it.
E
Some
board
members
wanted
a
lighting
ordinance
that
went
in
the
Arlington
all
my
stuff,
you
know
so
I
think
it's
a
lot
easier
if
you're
not
trying
to
make
it
a
Statewide
thing
and
I
I
I
used
to
know,
but
I
don't
remember
if
there
are
more
than
two
County
Manager
plan
communities
in
the
whole
of
Virginia
I.
Just
don't
remember,
but
I
know,
there's
one,
and
so
you
know
before
I'm
pretty
sure,
based
on
my
reading
of
that
section,
it's
probably
just
Arlington,
maybe
one
other
community,
but
restaurant
is
similar.
E
E
You
might
find
that
there
are
other
communities
that
would
like
the
same
legislation,
mostly
probably
in
the
urban
parts
of
the
state,
but
you
might
be
able
to
to
draft
it
in
a
way
that
it
goes
in
the
larger
section
and
and
works
for
more
than
just
Ireland
again
we'll
be
building
Coalition
yeah.
But
it
is
definitely
it's
a
probably
a
multi-session
effort.
E
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
they
do
for
these
kinds
of
issues.
Environmental
issues,
but
I
have
been
to
Richmond
to
Lobby
on
behalf
of
affordable
housing.
There's
a
day
when
they
go,
Jay
facet
was
down
there,
lobbying
on
environmental
stuff
the
same
day.
So
you
know
there
are
days
when
like-minded
people
kind
of
convene
down
there.
I
guess
it's
a
crossover
around
the
crossover
and
it's
a
it's
a
really
great
opportunity
to
begin
to
build
understanding
what
you're
trying
to
get
to,
and
it
can
be.
F
Yeah
but
I
think
I
think
the
trick
is,
you
know
we
have
to
have
the
County
Board
all
in
agreement
and
pushing
for
it
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
anywhere
if
we
have
a
fractured
board
right,
yeah.
B
So
do
other
other
questions
or
other
people
have
a
note.
Liz
and
I
were
talking
to
away
with
NRP
is
with
focus
on
trees
and
preserving
Green
Space.
So
it's
sort
of
going
back
to
the
original
intent
of
the
air
and
light
and
green
space
and
and
obviously
storm
water,
too,
is
a
big
deal
now
too.
So
you
know
how
do
we
leverage
that
kind
of
going
through
this?
B
But
you
know
so
any
advice
on
you
know
it's
I
understand
it
isn't
supposed
to
be
in
the
work
plan
for
cphd
for
this
coming
year.
E
B
I
guess
it's
waiting
on
the
fnrp
first
and
then
it
would
go
into
reply.
So
if
I
won't
be
this
year,
I
guess
and
Brian
you
may
know.
You
have
probably
have
a
better
idea
that
if
you're
still
listening
to
us
but.
H
I
I
am
but
I
would
need
to
check
with
some
of
my
colleagues
with
regards
to
the
cphd
work
plan,
I'm,
not
100
up
on
their
scheduling
for
that.
Okay,.
B
E
H
E
I,
you
know
getting
somebody
freed
up
to
really
do
the
work,
but
I
think
what
we're
hearing
at
you
underline
is
that
it's
never
really
been
attacked
from
this
environmental
perspective.
No,
that's
not,
and
we've
got
I
mean
not
just
people
in
the
room.
I
just
think
Arlington
in
general
has
got
a
lot
of
energy
around
that
that
it's
right.
This
is
the
right
time.
I
I
think
to
put
full
force
into
it.
B
As
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
it's
that,
since
we
can't
require
the
tree
planting
other
than
the
minimums
that
we
know,
people
could
cut
down
the
next
day.
But
if
you
don't
have
the
space
there's
no
way
you're
ever
going
to
Camping,
so
we
at
least
have
to
start
with
creating
this
space.
And
then
trying
to
build
on
yeah
and.
E
H
B
B
G
I'll
try
to
I
guess
it's
a
comment
or
an
observation,
but
on
page
29
of
the
board
report
from
November
15th
of
2005.
that
you
that
you
sent
out
yeah.
G
G
Our
lots
are
used
and
think
about
whether
there's
anything
about
the
definitions
that
go
into
this
that
might
be
leveraged
as
well
and
I,
particularly
think
of
it
in
terms
of
missing
metal
density,
but
that
I
I
believe
that
you
had
said
that
a
lot
coverage
in
general,
the
state
kind
of
has
left
alone
for
the
local
jurisdiction
to
to
handle
in
whatever
way
seems
best
and
so
controlling
the
definition
of
what
is
counted
and
how
it's
counted
and
how
it's
included
seems
like
it
could
have
some
potential.
G
G
E
G
E
Things
isn't
it
isn't
that
they
just
ignored
coverage
or
didn't
speak
about
coverage.
They
just
give
you
permission
to
have
a
zoning
ordinance
or
a
requirement.
They
don't
get
into
dictating
what
it
you
know,
the
specifics
of
it.
So
it
isn't
just
silent
on
coverage.
It's
silent
on
building
Heights
and
everything
else
around
development.
Specifics,
the
in
the
lot
coverage
definition
that
150
square
feet,
which
you
know
is
an
Exempted
structure.
E
E
E
So
I
I
didn't
look
on
the
County
website,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
the
the
things
that
are
included
in
the
coverage
calculation
are
in
the
determination
this
paper
doesn't
actually
well.
It
does
have
some
of
them
listed
main
building
accessories,
driving
and
parking
patios
higher
than
eight
inches
decks
four
feet
or
higher
gazebos
or
pergolas
Stoops
and
landings
four
feet
or
higher
above
finish
grade
and
in-ground
pools.
So
that's,
basically
the
determination,
but
any
walkway,
that's
paved
to
get
you
from
your
car
to
your
house
is
not
counted
so
interesting.
F
B
E
E
But
that's
a
logical
one,
you
know
because
you
do
get
runoff,
yeah
and
people
do
have
all
sorts
of
paving
materials
and
they've
evolved
quite
a
bit.
B
Well,
what
they
found
too
I
know
I'm
talking
to
some
of
our
Des
folks.
Is
that
you
get
whatever
your
permit?
Is
you
do
you're
building
and
then
they
go
and
end
up
this
big
old
patio?
That
is,
you
know
in
this
much
concrete.
C
B
E
B
So
I
want
to
just
clarify
a
couple
questions,
but
one
that
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
too
was
the
the
garages
and
the
porches
the
patios,
because
that
was
supposed
to
be
encouraged
and
I
know
under
the
lot
coverage
on
missing
middle
they're.
One
of
the
proposals
was
to
add
that,
to
the
total
that
you
could
have
and
the
perspective
we
had
for
enforce
during
the
Resource
Commission
was
it's:
it's
really
damaging
to
trees.
B
The
back
too
so
I
just
was
there
any
discussion
about
how
to
limit
the
amount
of
like
bonus
density.
Are
those
the
only
two
things.
E
E
Initially,
it
came
from
a
planning,
commissioner,
for
someone
who
I
think
was
on
the
commissioner
yeah
and
you
know
promoting
a
particular
form
of
development.
If
you
will.
B
E
B
So
I
do
have
another
question
too,
because
I
know
and
Ryan.
This
is
something
I
will
need
to
focus
on
too,
because
Susan
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
this.
Just
the
language
in
the
fnrp
draft
on
this
topic
and
focused
on
the
56
percent.
I
B
Opposed
to
the
fact
that
it's
a
sliding
scale
right
and
the
luck
coverage
changes
as
well
too,.
E
E
E
You
can
pave
your
backyard
with
pavers
and
have
a
similar
impact.
Why
would
you
do
that
and
we,
the
accounting,
will
never
know
no
Bluegrass
either
that
yeah
yeah?
It's
just
you
know
they
can't.
You
have
to
have
to
go
on
private
property.
Yeah
just
wander
around
your
stuff.
C
E
E
B
Things
I
have
one
more
question:
that's
on
a
different
topic
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you're
the
right
person
to
ask
but
I
asked
all
these
questions
for
you,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
try
it,
and
you
tell
me
where
else
we
should
go.
Another
issue
that
we
had
talked
about
over
the
years
was
the
wheat
ordinance
and
the
fact
that
you
know
trying
to
do
a
native
plant
garden
yeah.
Your
neighbors
can
call
them
it's
higher
than
six
inches.
B
Then
you're
violating
the
wheat
ordinance
so
and
I
know
an
ordinance
review.
You
all
probably
dealt
with
some
of
those
as
well
right.
E
B
Code,
there
is
well,
it
is
it's
by
jurisdiction,
because
we
did
this
through
the
northern
Virginia
Regional
Commission
every
jurisdiction
had
a
different
definition,
so
we
proposed
a
new
definition
of
a
weed
which
was
actually
a
weed
as
opposed
to
a
native,
and
but
it's
just
the
process
of
getting
what's
the
process.
E
So
if
you
wanted
to
amend
that
provision,
you
would
have
to
work
with
the
people
who
have
had
that
Authority
delegated
to
them
so
it'd
be
sharing
arms
people,
code
enforcement
and
to
sort
of
create
a
carve
out
for
I.
Don't
know
whether
it
be
native
plants
or
other
kinds
of
you
know,
because
there's
Gardens
all
over
the
county
that
maybe
some
people
don't
like,
but
there's
native
plants
and
higher
than
six
inches,
certainly
higher
than
six
inches.
D
I
E
E
B
F
B
Foreign
okay,
we
want
to
go
and
I
had
sent
out
the
dates
for
the
meetings.
Energy
meetings
for
the
rest
of
the
year
and
I
didn't
hear
any
feedback.
So
I
guess
we're
okay,
but
we
want
to
officially
approve
those
yeah
we're.
A
B
Out
again
to
everybody:
just
so
you
have
it,
but
just
sure
that
that
was
because.
H
E
And
then
we
request
possibly
meeting
holds
like
doesn't
have
to
have
the
link
at
this
point.
Oh,
but
but
just
like
calendar
meeting
holds.
A
B
F
I
A
B
Okay,
then
I
guess
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
staff
updates.
A
Okay,
so
so
as
far
as
staff
updates,
one
of
the
big
ones,
I
think
that
I
should
mention
is
that
we
are
now
even
reaching
the
completion
of
the
deer
assessment.
Browse
survey
and
I
see
Philips
so
here
so
here
is
they
they're
wrapping
up
by
the
end
of
the
month.
We
are
then
going
to
go
into
the
engagement
portion
of
this,
which
will
probably,
which
will
probably
take
place
after
February
20
after
so
far
well,
there'll
be
some
some
public
meetings
and
so
forth.
A
Then
there'll
be
some
questionnaires
and
so
forth.
They'll
go
out.
All
of
this
will
be
spelled
out
on
the
newly
updated
deer
page
about
all
of
this,
including
an
updated
timeline.
However,
just
so
you
know,
by
the
end
of
this
month,
there'll
be
a
draft
of
some
of
the
initial
findings
of
the
browse
survey.
Then
we
will
go,
then
we
will
be
getting
into
then
some
of
the
commission
meetings,
that's
where
I
wanted
to
mention
other
things.
A
A
Now,
having
said
that,
that
is
a
lot
of
commission
meetings,
so
I
don't
know,
and
nobody
needs
to
decide
that
right
away,
but
do
I
need
to
go
to
Every
Commission
in
order
to
make
these
updates,
or
is
it
good
enough,
knowing
that,
since
we
do
have
representatives
and
energy
Act
of
of
them,
then
so
forth?
So.
A
A
E
A
Yes,
so
I
did
talk
to
Marco
and
at
this
at
this
point,
because
we
weren't
sure,
because
we
wanted
to
get
on
the
calendar
I'm.
Sorry,
no,
no
so
I
did
ask.
I
did
ask
Marco
to
at
least
ask
about
putting
that
you
know
for
us
to
do
for
the
Parks,
Commission
or
whatever,
just
because
I
we
needed
to
to
get
that
sooner,
and
that
would
be
the
very
first
one
that
that
we,
that
that
I'm
slated
to
kind
of.
A
A
That's
why
I
mention
it,
because
some
things
are
out
of
completely
out
of
my
hands,
but
that
is
the
planned
thing
that
we
hope
we
plan
for
that
in.
E
So
then,
fine
for
parks
and
rec
to
hear
that
at
the
energized
meeting
itself,
okay
and
to
forego
a
individual
Parks
presentation.
If
plans
don't
go
to
fruition,
then
perhaps
we
can
look
at
engaging
the
March.
A
Agenda
for
this,
and-
and
that
is
fine
and
then
again
that,
like
I,
said
the
contractor's
on
the
hook
for
three
meetings
and
so
forth,
up
which,
with
the
public
meetings,
would
be
the
one
we
really
want
him
at
so
and
and
perhaps
up
in
our
seat,
the
other
ones
with
just
me
giving
an
update
on
what
we
have
of
the
browser.
It's
just
an
initial
report
that
this
is
what
we
have.
This
is
what
the
conclusions
reached
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
Okay,
so
anyway,
just
wanted
to
to.
E
Mention
that
so
that's
one
thing
and
and
sorry
just
if,
if
we
choose
to
do
the
February
route
as
soon
as
you
get
those
dates,
if
you
could,
let
me
know
then,
at
minimum
we
can
say
at
our
February
joint
meeting.
If
you'd,
like
more
information,
attend
the
energized
meeting
later
this
month,.
A
A
More
okay,
so
the
problem
is
also,
of
course,
so
energy
X,
the
beginning
of
the
month
after
it's
the
end
of
the
month,
and
so
if
it
comes
out
too
late
that
it
can't
be
one
or
the
other,
then
obviously
you
know
yeah
yeah,
but
but
we
are
reaching
somewhere
phase
two
of
the
engagement,
which
will
be
very,
very
interesting
and
we're
looking
at
the
questionnaire,
we'll,
probably
close
around
April
the
beginning
of
April
and
and
then
there'll
be
much
more
formal
recommendations
and
so
forth.
But
the
engagement
portion
is
beginning.
B
A
Yep
and
and
again
Nick
I'll
mention
after
contractor
White
Buffalo
and
see
what
because
right
now
they
they
are
looking
at
getting
permission
to
recycle
some
similar
surveys
that
were
done
in
other
jurisdictions
because
they
said
okay,
it
was
okay
for
them.
Therefore,
you
know
they'll,
send
it
through
its
ass,
but
it
probably
will
be
the
similar
types
of
things
that
they
want
to
relay
for
Arlington
as
well.
A
Okay,
so,
as
I
think
I
told
you,
we
are
fully
staffed
because
we're
fully
staffed
now
we're
three
people
for
for
natural
resource
management
unit.
That
means
that
we
are
now
freed
up
to
do
a
lot
of
really
cool
things.
We
want
to
do
and
I'm
really
psyched
about
that,
so
this
next
year,
I
suspect
that,
despite
the
fnrp,
despite
this,
despite
the
trails,
you
know
deer
thing,
we
still
will
be
able
to
get
some
really
cool
things.
I.
A
No
I
think
they're
very
cool,
but
that
was
like
the
minimal
thing
we
had
to
do.
I
can
actually
not
I.
Don't
have
the
excuse
that
we
are
understaffed.
We
can't
do
that.
Understaffed
can't
do
that,
which
has
been
my
cry
now
for
almost
two
years
or
at
least
over
a
year,
so
can't
go
that
way.
So
as
long
as
we're
Fleet
staff,
we
want
to
do
this
and
already
I'm,
seeing
some
great
new
things.
A
We
have
we've
already
wrapped
up
all
of
our
public
events
from
the
native
plant
nursery
way
before
we
ever
had
to
do
it
and
part
of
it
is
frankly
sue.
Kim
who's
with
us
is
worked
in
a
nursery
date
is
much
more
efficient
than
I
ever
was,
and
it's
great
to
the
only
things
that
are
individual,
trades
and
so
forth,
and
we're
using
that
time
now
to
upgrade
and
renovate
a
lot
of
what
they
need.
A
plant
nursery
is
going
to
look
at
so.
C
A
Start
again,
in
the
springtime
time,
I
I
think
people
will
be
very
well
pleased
of
how
the
improvements
that
will
that
we'll
be
making
throughout
the
native
planners.
So
that's
all
good,
and
that
also
means
that
we
can
work
on
some
things
during
and
that
we're
seeing
in
a
back
burner,
one
of
which
is
some
people
may
know
that
it
at
one
point
Arlington,
despite
its
small
size,
did
have
28
of
all
the
native
plants
in
Virginia,
which
is
amazing.
A
How
tiny
we
are
that
more
than
a
quarter
of
all
the
native
plants
of
Virginia
were
found
in
in
Arlington.
However,
due
to
destruction
have
and
the
habitat
being
dwindled
and
some
habit
is
completely
disappearing.
We
have
over
200
plants
which
are
extravated,
meaning
they
no
longer
exist
locally
in
Virginia.
They
exist
in
other
parts
of
of
Virginia,
but
not
in
Arlington
we're
putting
together
a
list
of
which
things
it's
valuable
habit
coming
through
that
we
can
return
some
of
these
extra
painted
species
and
because
of
that,
the
wildlife
purchase
is
so
do
with.
A
It
will
also
come
back.
We
assume,
which
is
what's
been
happening
with
us,
just
control.
The
invasives
over
the
last
few
years,
so
that's
a
really
cool
thing
that
I
think
we
can
do.
Is
we
come
up
with
a
plan
we're
looking
at
those
plans,
we're
looking
at
which
ones
to
collect
and
we're
gonna
which
habitats
can
do
and
do
that
we're
also
looking
at
single
colonies
of
where?
If
something
happens
in
that
Park,
there's
no
fault
that
anybody
some
disaster
like.
What's
what
happened
in
Parker
for
the
lone
colony
of
false
hellebor,
something
happened.
A
Also,
looking
at
our
at
our
at
our
voucher
specimens
and
what
things
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
state
knows
that
we
still
have
some
of
these
things,
which
ones
are
not
so
there's
lots
of
little
things
now
that
we
are
working
on
that
we
have
staff
to
be
able
to
do
these
kinds
of
things,
so
I'm
really
psyched
about
how
that
how
that's
how
that's
going
through
when
I
think
that's.
A
That's
gonna,
really
be
something
to
look
forward
to
over
the
next
year,
two
or
three
years,
because
it'd
take
for
trees,
especially
it's
going
to
be
a
while
before
we
can
do
this
we're
looking
at
things.
We
have
meant
to
do
it
like
the
the
idea
of
fostering
out
some
plants,
because
we
can't
afford
to
grow
trees
for
two
or
three
years,
because
it
takes
up
way
too
much
of
our
planning
pads.
Therefore,
with
the
tree,
stewards
and
so
forth,
have
them
farming
out.
A
They
can
take
care
of
a
few
plants
for
us
and
when
they're
done
turn
them
to
us,
and
then
it
won't
tie
up
all
of
our
Nursery
space
on
the
original
idea
that
Greg
Zell
had
mentioned
that
we
can
finally
start
working
on.
We
also
and
I've
already
started
doing
it
started
to
update
the
natural
research,
the
the
the
Wildlife
technical
reports,
because
the
other
one
was
horribly
out
of
date.
New
things
have
popped
in
that
we
know.
A
A
That
is
my
hopes
and
now
I
can
actually
get
to
do
that
so
again,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
this
year,
because
now
that
we're
fully
staffed
and
such
excellent
stuff,
what
can
ensued
that
I
really
think
we
can
get
a
lot
of
these
things
just
the
beginning,
that's
just
what
we're
working
on
now,
but
get
it
out
of
the
way.
A
So
that's
wraps
up
I
think
my
stamp
report,
just
I'm
really
hopeful
this
next
year
and
the
following
years
will
be
fantastic,
and
these
are
the
first
few
things
that
we'll
be
starting
to
work
at
the
very
first
tax
on
inventory.
We're
going
to
do
are
going
to
be
plants
again.
Why?
Because
we
want
to
see
what
things
are
disappear
in
them,
because
everything
else
kind
of
depends
on
plants
and
so
we're
gonna.
You
know
that'll
be
the
very
new.
A
B
Okay,
we
can
go
through
commission
reports.
E
Sure
I
can
start
Parks
and
Recreation
is.
We
should
be
working
on
our
end
of
your
plan
and
plan
of
action
for
the
upcoming
year.
Those
are
both
on
my
plate.
Haven't
been
started
guys,
so
that's
coming
down
the
pike
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
having
a
joint
meeting
with
the
sports
Commission
in
February.
E
Topics
that
we're
hoping
to
cover
are
some
kind
of
things
we
actually
haven't
had
a
joint
meeting
with
sports
commission
since
Bill,
since
I
think
it
was
2018
or
2019.,
and
so
we're
covering
our
major
topics
are
is
a
financial
overview.
Jane
is
planning
on
coming.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
that
we're
going
to
be
covering
a
myriad
of
topics
that
we
talked
about
today,
including
potential
ball
recycling
programs,
there's
a
question
about
field
allocation,
especially
on
the
soccer
side.
E
We
want
to
get
into
a
little
bit
a
conversation
about
the
new
summer
camp
registration
process.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
about
that
we'd
like
to
talk
about
that
and.
A
F
H
E
E
We're
finalizing
the
location
right
now,
but
the
date
is
it's
off
our
regular
It's,
the
final
Thursday,
it's
the
23rd.
Isn't
it
yes,
it
is.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
E
It's
your
day
too
yeah.
Okay,
let
me
know
if
you,
if
you
want
any
representation,
though
let
me
know
and
then
I,
don't
think
that
there's
any
other
major
topic
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
pickleball
as
well.
C
E
Those
are
the
main
topics
of
synergy
we
really
wanted
to
focus
on
and
then
we'll
move
forward
with
our
March
plans
as
normal.
So
that's
kind
of
an
overview
of
what
we're
doing
right
now.
Great.
C
Great
okay,
yeah
forestry,
Natural,
Resources
Commission.
We
really
had
two
primary
areas
of
focus.
At
our
last
meeting,
one
was
on
the
storm
water
utility
program.
We
were
introduced
to
that
and
the
concept
that
it's
not
designed
to
incentivize
it's.
At
least
that
was
our
takeaway
from
it.
It's
also
not
designed
to
raise
revenue,
it's
only
to
offset
revenue,
and
so
we
were
actually
rather
disappointed
in
this
program
and
felt
that
they
were
missing
opportunities
to
advance
some
important
issues,
among
other
things,
retaining
large
trees
already
existing
large
trees.
C
There's
no
incentive
to
keep
a
large
tree,
for
instance,
under
this
proposed
program.
Rather
you
get
credit
for
planting
two
little
small
whips
in
your
yard
and
taking
down
the
the
60-year
oak
tree
or
something
so
anyhow,
we
sent
a
letter.
We
will
be
sending
a
letter
on
that
expressing
The
View,
that
the
county
should
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity
and
and
increase
incentives
for
things
that
are
meaningful
for
storm
water,
particularly
like
larger
trees
or
more
trees.
C
C
Well,
invasive
removal
and
restoration
of
wildlife,
habitat
there's
money
in
the
budget.
For
that
we
don't
know
how
much,
but
they
said
that
there
is
money
in
the
budget.
C
He
said
that
Potomac
Overlook,
Regional
Park,
one
of
the
jewels
Parklands
in
Arlington
County,
is
on
that
list
to
be
a
priority
to
be
worked
on,
don't
know
exactly
when,
but
his
news
was
essentially
good
news
that
Nova
Parks
is
actually
committing
to
focus
on
natural
habitat
protection
and
restoration,
and
so
we're
looking
forward
to
working
to
seeing
how
that
develops
and
encouraging
the
working
together
on
this
program
for
Nova
parks
with
Arlington
County
Parks.
C
They
have
a
good
history
of
that
and
I'm
sure
that
they'll
be
looking
for
your
help,
Alonso
and
your
team
to
provide
some
assistance
or
guidance
on
what
they
would
do
in
the
Arlington
parks.
We
also
finalized
our
2020
two
you're
under
report
and
the
action
plan
for
this
cut
this
present
year,
and
so
I
need
to
send
you
a
copy
of
that
I
love
that
thank
you.
I
realized
do
not
send
that
out
and
I
guess.
That's
all
that
we
talked
about
at
our
meeting.
I
wished
everyone,
you
know,
happy
holidays.
C
B
A
F
Go
ahead.
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
of
good
news
about
the
tree
canopy
Equity
program.
We
did
the
tally
today.
It's
the
preliminary
tally
of
the
equity
neighborhoods,
for
which
we
got
the
Virginia
forestry
Grant,
and
we
met
our
goal
within
one
shrub.
Okay,.
I
F
Trees
and
and
100
shrubs
among
the
10
Equity
neighborhoods,
and
so,
if
you
know
somebody
who's
still
looking
for
a
shrub,
we'll
take
their
application.
This
is
preliminary.
It's
not
yet
been
viewed
by
the
committee
and
so
forth,
but
we're
very
very
very
pleased
thanks
for
all
the
wonderful
support
for
that.
Thanks.
F
Well,
I
do
I
was
answering
an
email
from
Mary
glass.
We
have
29
small
trees,
which
are
either
French
tree
or
Sweet
Bay
Magnolia.
We
have
79
shrubs
and
we
have
71
Big
Trees,
which
are
the
same
as
the
canopy
trees
under
the
tree.
Canopy
fun,
that's
excellent
and
that's
on
top
of
whatever
might
have
come
in
through
the
normal
process.
So
that's
just
the
equity
piece.
F
F
Right
I
think,
there's
I
think
there's
probably
a
hundred
applications
for
the
Big
Trees
but
I.
But
don't
quote
me
on
that,
but
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood,
so
yeah
we
have
and
we
have
we're
accumulating
the
volunteer
hours
because
it
was
a
huge
effort,
all
right,
yeah
anyway.
So
anyway,
thank
you
for
letting
me
talk
about
that.
Yeah.
B
That's
great
thanks
for
sharing
that
I
just
wanted,
while
David
and
Jill
are
both
on
Kieran
and
Trudy
too
and
Phil
one
of
the
sprcs
that
we
had
done
and
David
I.
Think
we'll
remember
this.
That
I
think
was
the
food
line
of
Columbia
Pike
and
George
Mason,
and
they
had
done
this
great
native
plant
garden,
biophilic
garden.
Apparently
they
ripped
it
all
out
put
in
an
irrigation
system.
E
B
So
anyway,
I
just
flagged
up
that
when
we're
doing
these
sgrc's
we
may
want
need
some
conditioned
language,
because.
C
B
A
If
I
could
add,
just
the
tangent
I've
been
trying
to
get
and
I
guess
it's
back
in
the
day
when
they
were
when
they
were
planting,
all
sorts
of
of
pine
or
habitats,
and
things
like
that
trying
to
get
it
so
that
when
they
put
in
some
kind
of
something
having
to
do
with
with
water
retention,
or
something
like
that,
if
we
could
just
go
the
extra
step
and
make
him
pollinator
weigh
stations.
A
However,
there
was
some
big
resistance
from
from
Des
about
doing
it,
because
they
did
not
want
us
to
put
in
all
of
these
plants
and
do
that
and
then
a
few
years
later
them
having
to
tear
it
down,
because
they
need
to
do
something
with
that
site
and
there,
and
in
which
case
you
know
they
got
a
black
eye
because
they,
you
know
they
tore
up
out
these.
This
Monarch
way
stations.
So
I,
don't
know
how
that
fits
in
with
all
of
this,
but
just
to
keep
that
in
mind
this.
B
E
It's
giving
me
I
mean
it's
making
me
think
that,
like
you
know,
projects
that
are
analogous
to
it,
like
the
redesign
of
the
the
Harris
Teeter
on
Glee
near
Buckingham,
right
they're
planning
on
doing
that
whole
middle
section,
where
they
want
to
have
that
biophilic.
E
B
Doing
the
same
thing,
something
like
that,
because
it
definitely
requires
more
sophisticated
management
than
just
the
mo
and
blow
folks,
everything
looks
the
same,
and
the
Food
Lion
crunch
was
the
same
so
anyway,
I
just
just
have
to
okay.
You
know
one
step
forward.
Two
steps
backwards,
kind
of
thing,
I
think,
is
what
we're
doing,
but
anyway,
so
that
maybe
something
as
we're
looking
at
sprc's
to
specifically
include
conditional
language
to
make
sure
that
there's
these
things
are
are
maintained
in
perpetuity
and
not
just
after
two
years.
So.
D
Yeah
but
I
I
will
say
I
guess
in
the
Joyce
Motors
sprc
there
was
conversation
they
they
don't
have
like
any
type
of
public
space,
but
on
the
streetscape,
because
they
don't
have
like
space
for
anything
more
than
just
Street
trees.
Really
they're,
like
oh
we're,
gonna
do
vertical
plantings
like
leading
into
the
landing
area
and.
B
D
The
plans-
and
it's
just
this
like
ugly,
trellis
and
I,
forget
exactly
what
commissioner
Hughes
said,
but
I
do
think
like
aspiracy,
like
maintenance,
is
off
limits.
There
was
some
like
pushback
from
staff
in
the
room
and
the
PC
chair
of
like
we
can
talk
about
this
in
like
soft
ways,
but
like
there's,
no
like
hard
requirement,
like
maintenance
of
this
infrastructure,
yeah.
D
F
B
D
I
H
D
B
D
B
That
that
the
the
Costco
building
is
a
perfect
example
that
they
supposedly
had
these
Planters
Angels.
After
maybe
a
month
they
looked
horrid
yeah.
There
was
no
maintenance
and
they're
just
really
concrete
things
hanging
there
and
it's
really
unattractive
so
yeah
yeah,
okay!
Well,
thank
you!
Is
there,
let's
see,
let's
do
everything
else.
You
need
new
business.
Anybody
has
to
bring
up.
It's
not
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
coming
out,
appreciate
it.
David
I,
know
you're,
not
feeling
well
Jill.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us,
really
appreciate
it.
Brian.
B
H
Oh
sure
I
can
provide
a
short
one.
The
main
the.
H
The
main
one,
at
least
in,
like
a
concrete
way,
is
that
the
engagement,
summary
and
engagement
report
for
the
most
recent
round
of
public
engagement
on
the
fnrp
has
been
published
to
the
website
and
I
believe
our
e-blast
kind
of
notifying
folks
of
that
should
go
out
tomorrow
morning,
if
not
by
Wednesday
morning.
So
you
know,
if
for
anybody
who
wants
to
dig
deeper
into
what
Adam
and
I
presented
the
last
time,
I
came.
Those
documents
are
all
up
on
the
website.
H
Beyond
that,
we
are,
you
know
diligently
making
edits
in
response
to
all
the
comments
that
are
represented
in
that
report,
going
back
and
forth
with
the
contractors
and
working
to
get
the
text
resolved.
So
we
can
start
formatting
the
the
kind
of
glossier
graphically
our
Graphics
heavy
version
of
the
final
draft,
so
still
kind
of
on
track.
For
that
you
know,
first
third
of
2023
to
bring
that
forward
to
the
public.
H
But
beyond
that,
the
timeline
gets
a
little
bit
hazy,
because
we
still
have
a
lot
of
like
moving
of
pixels
to
do
I
think
to
get
us
there,
but
we'd
probably
be
able
to
give
a
more
detailed
timeline
update
next
month.
Once
we
get
like
the
next
round
of
edits
back
from
American
Forest.
B
E
The
other
thing
for
you
to
is
we're
gonna
enter
a
season
where
I
need
to
recruit
for
Parks
and
Recreation.
So
if
there's
anybody
that
you
want
to
pass
over
Phil
that.