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A
Started.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
the
July
meeting
today.
A
We
actually
have
a
pretty
slim
agenda,
which
is
great.
We
have
met
Quorum
in
the
room,
and
so
there
is
no
voting
item,
but
we
can
have
participation
on
the
phone.
You
know,
that's
always
the
worry
and
so
yeah.
We
can
go
and
get
started.
I
anticipate
that
we'll
be
done
by
8
30
today,
so
to
start
off,
actually
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
Marco
to
talk
about
our
recording
process
and
guys
we're.
Actually,
this
regulation
has
changed
slightly,
but
we're
staying
the
same.
B
Yes,
so
yeah
before
I
I
get
into
that
I'll
just
go
through
the
procedures
so
again
good
evening
my
name
is
Marco
Rivero
I
am
the
Stephanie
is
on
to
the
Park
and
Recreation
Commission
and
Welcome
to
our
July
meeting.
I
would
like
to
remind
our
attendees
at
the
PRC
meeting
will
be
recorded
and
that
has
begun.
We
ask
that
Commissioners,
presenters
and
attendees.
Please
mute
your
microphones
and
turn
off
your
video
feeds.
B
If
you
are
not
speaking
for
those
attending
via
telephone,
you
can
unmute
and
mute
yourselves
with
the
microphone
by
dialing
star
six.
The
top
toolbar
contains
a
raise
your
hand,
function
and
case.
A
commission,
member
or
presenter
has
a
question
during
the
meeting.
Commissioners
and
presenters
may
share
their
screens
using
the
share
content
box.
The
chat
box
will
also
be
checked
routinely,
but
again,
it's
mainly
to
address
logistical
questions
or
issues.
During
the
meeting
during
the
public
comment
period
and
during
the
agenda
items
discussion,
the
chair
will
recognize
virtual
participation.
B
First
I
believe
we
have
Dean
on
the
line
for
the
commission
and
then
in-person
attendees
will
be
able
to
comment
as
way
of
information
we'll
be
holding
a
public
comment
period
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
Each
public
commenter
will
have
up
to
three
minutes
for
their
comments.
I
will
signal
to
the
speaker
once
the
time
is
up.
So
again,
speaking
on
the
on
regards
to
the
recording.
B
It
is
now
no
longer
mandatory
for
our
commission
to
have
recordings
of
our
meetings.
However,
we
will
continue
the
practice
of
recording
our
meetings
and
providing
the
video
feed
reporting
on
our
website.
So.
B
A
We
don't
run
the
risk
of
having
like
meeting
room
problems.
We
run
with
the
sports
commission
and
stuff
like
that,
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
it
because
personally,
we've
I
find
it
very
valuable,
like
yeah,
okay,
cool,
just
and
so,
and
Mark
and
I
talked
about.
We
also
think
it
of
the
respect
level,
professionalism
level
a
little
bit
by
in
stating
that
we're
all
going
to
be
recorded,
you
know,
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
official,
so
yeah,
it's
really
coming
out,
but,
like
I,
didn't
think
we're
not
gonna
do
bad
things.
A
Thank
you
great
all
right,
so
I
have
no,
let's
start
us
off
with
today,
so
we
can
head
right
into
public
comments.
D
A
I'm,
sorry,
thank
you.
Okay,
all
right,
yeah
we'll
go
ahead
and
approve
the
June
meetings.
Did
anyone
have
any
comments
or
any
questions
about
them
all
right
great?
Well,
then,
we
will
go
ahead
and
see
what
they're
approved
all
right.
Now
we
will
move
to
public
comment.
Then
we
have
two
public
commenters
tonight.
E
B
E
I
am
chair
of
the
Civ
feds
environmental
Affairs
committee
and
a
member
of
the
Arlington
tree
Action
Group,
but
I'm
speaking
tonight,
on
my
own
behalf,
not
on
the
news.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
commend
this
group
for
the
letter
that
they
sent
in
commenting
on
the
forestry
and
natural
resources
plan.
I
thought
it
was
very
insightful
and
you
know
it
got
down
to
a
lot
of
good
specifics
on
improvements
that
could
be
made.
E
I
think,
especially
your
increased
commitment
to
more
resources
to
fund
the
things
that
they
were
talking
about,
recognizing
the
importance
of
natural
resources
and
really
raising
that
priority
in
accounting
discussions,
and
also
recognizing
the
significance
of
the
volunteer
workers
who
are
doing
a
lot,
especially
with
trees
in
this
area,
as
children
as
well.
E
But
I
personally
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
the
document.
I
think
it's
confusing
repetitive
and
it's
not
the
kind
of
strategic
document
we
need.
We
need
something,
that's
much
simpler
and
lays
out
the
priorities
in
order,
and
then
we
can
have
an
implementation
plan.
It
sounds
kind
of
detail
that
we
have
in
that
plan
and
it
needs
to
have
a
better
sense
of
urgency
with
really.
This
is
a
big
problem
and
I
brought
with
me
a
reference
to
the
new
tree.
Canopy
study.
E
That's
just
been
completed
funded
by
citizens,
and
this
shows
that
the
Arlington
can
be
is
not
the
40
they
talk
about
in
the
report.
It
is
33
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
this
can
all
be
verified,
but
knowing
that
change
changes,
the
whole
dynamic
of
that
plan
and
so
to
Let
It
Go
without
this
urgency
and
resources
just
shows
that
sort
of
a
ignoring
with
the
reality
of
what's
happening.
What
we
need
to
do,
the
idea
that
we
might
be
able
to
maintain
40
is
out
of
the
question.
E
They've
done
an
analysis
of
planting
areas.
If
you
plant
every
plantful
area
in
Arlington,
you
can
only
get
to
39
percent
and,
more
importantly,
we
have
aging
forest
and
really
going
to
need
a
lot
more
maintenance.
E
But
there's
been
a
positive
outcome
of
the
whole
thing,
and
that
is
that
we
had
performed
this
new
Arlington
Consortium
for
tree
sustainability
and
just
as
you're
talking
about
the
great
work
of
volunteers.
The
whole
purpose
of
this,
and
it's
going
to
be
mainly
a
website,
will
be
to
bring
together
all
the
people
who
are
already
doing
great
things
like
Jill
and
connect
them
up
with
other
people
and
provide
ideas.
E
They
can
ask
for
help
through
this
website
and
we'll
try
to
get
some
experts
to
also
do
some
Zoom
sessions
for
us
to
do
some
training.
But
the
the
main
point
is
that
we
have
so
much
here
and
we
can't
wait.
Some
of
us
feel
a
sense
of
urgency,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
do
it.
You
know
through
this
Consortium,
so
we
welcome
your
purchase,
participation
and
your
company.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
just
to
react
to
that
real
quick.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
coming
and
speaking
with
us
today,
I
think
we
would
like
to
stay
involved
with
how
we
can
back
up
and
support
how
the
work
that
you're
doing
so
I
think
specifically,
if
there
are
moments
that
involve
any
sort
of
board
Outlook,
we
would
love
to
have
you
back,
maybe
to
speak
on
an
item
or
inform
us
of
what
you
guys
are
doing
and
we
can
respond
in
a
coordinated
approach.
Potentially
I
just
want
to
maintain
that
oh
okay.
E
A
B
We
were
expecting
to
have
another
public
kind
of
Mentor,
but
she
is
not
on
the
line
or
in
person.
So
I.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
we
can
also
have
yeah
I,
think
that's
fine,
and
then
we
can
also.
If
she
does
come
back,
we
can
always
have
her
speak
again.
Yeah.
F
The
president
IAL
Association
and
there's
a
new
rehabbed
park
in
their
area
and
she
is
very
interested
in
getting
Grassroots
facilities
put
in
there.
It's
a
five
pop
neighborhood
and
you're
feeling
a
little
bit
paraphrasing
too
much
but
they're.
G
F
Like
they're
feeding
you,
however,
to
her
credit,
she's
identified
an
alternative,
that's
temporary
and
a
source
of
funding,
but
all
she
needs
for
the
county
to
allow
them
to
put
this
bathroom
facility
it's
better
than
fortified
as
medicine
but
anyway.
So
that's
what
she
was
gonna
ask
us
about,
and.
A
Just
for
some
additional
background,
Jill
has
made
inroads
with
Porsche,
and
if
this
is
an
issue,
you
know
we
would
love
to
have
her
come
in
public
comment,
but
potentially
this
being
an
equity
issue,
I
think
it
would
be
something
that
we
would
consider
writing
a
letter
about
as
well,
especially
since
it's
a
permitting
choice
that,
like
we
fully,
can
push
the
board
on
Porsche
seems
cool
basically
and
like
we
should
foster
that
relationship.
F
B
F
F
G
A
Worries
about
urban
sprawl
and
other
more
racist
problems
as
well
so
yeah
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
attack.
Okay,
hopefully
Porsche.
We
can
have
her
come
to
a
separate
meeting,
but.
B
I
think
that's
I
don't
need
a
second.
Oh.
A
Right:
okay,
yes
yeah!
Thank
you
John!
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
us
and
I
hope.
Let's
keep
pushing
portion
come
here.
Yeah,
oh
I
can
help
too
all
right.
Well,
we're
gonna
move
it
over
to
our
basically
only
agenda
item
for
today,
which
is
great
we're
having
a
staff
presentation,
a
discussion
on
the
site,
plan,
conditions
and
site
plan
review
committee
process.
A
So
we
talked
about
having
we
wrote
a
letter
on
the
changes
earlier
this
year,
I
want
to
say
yeah
and
staff's,
not
coming
back
to
us
basically
getting
another
primer.
This
is
so
especially
for
our
newer
members
as
well,
but
I'm
I'm,
gonna,
ask,
and-
and
so
we
have
Matt
here-
to
help
us
to
present
on
this
topic-
and
my
question
to
you
I
think
will
be
at
the
end-
is
like
next
steps.
Basically,
what.
G
A
We
do
here
to
push
us
forward
because
I
think
it's
good
primary
education
for
all
of
us
as
to
where
changes
are
coming
and
all
that
jazz.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
also
being
mindful
of
what
yeah.
What.
B
G
This
was
thank
you
for
inviting
me
it's
great
to
be
here
this
evening
to
see
all
of
you
in
person.
I
think
I
probably
exchanged
emails
with,
probably
almost
all
of
you
yeah.
Would
you
like
me
to
sit
here?
Yeah,
you're,
okay,.
G
Coming
out
shortly
here
we
go
great
so,
as
I
said.
Thank
thanks
for
for
having
me
this
evening.
I'd
love
to
give
this
talk
and,
like
I
said,
I
think
I
probably
exchanged
emails
with
probably
all
of
it
when
we're
putting
together,
sprc
rosters,
and
so
it's
nice
to
kind
of
put
names
with
faces,
but
for
those
for.
B
G
More
formal
introduction,
my
name
is
Matt
Pfeiffer
I
am
in
the
Department
of
Community
planning,
Housing
and
Development
I'm
a
cycling
review
supervisor,
so
I
manage
the
team
that
are
the
project
managers
on
the
individual
site,
plane
projects,
so
you,
you
probably
know-
probably
all
of
you
know
also
the
members
of
my
team,
so
it's
Adam,
Watson,
Peter,
Schultz,
Courtney,
Badger,
Kevin,
lamb
and
our
newest
sort
of
new
member
Chrissy
wallintish,
who
worked
for
the
county
for
our
team
for
a
number
of
years,
went
over
to
the
private
sector
and
now
she's
back
in
her
old
job.
G
So
it's
it's
a
good
team,
so
I'm
gonna
go
through
this
presentation
and
as
as
we'll
say,
a
lot
of
this
is
focused
on
sort
of
like
a
primer
or
an
educational
kind
kind
of
tone
to
it.
Where
I'll
I'll
try
to
explain
a
lot
of
terms
and
explain
a
lot
of
processes
and
why
we
do
what
we
do
and
then
the
last
couple
of
slides
I'm
actually
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Marco.
To
talk
about
how
the
public
park
planning
processes.
G
Because
there
are
multiple
processes
intersect
with
site
plans
and
kind
of
how
that
whole
relationship
works.
And
this.
G
Permit
team
way
way
back,
that's
right,
yep
I
know
he
looks
young,
but
so
the
the
items
that
we'll
go
through
in
this
presentations,
I
said
I'll
talk
about
what
our
site
plans
and
cycling
conditions
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
very
brief,
Bare
Bones
overview
of
the
sbrc
process,
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
post-approval
permitting
process,
because
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
is
less
well
known
by
a
lot
of
our
appointed
Commissioners.
G
Plans
so
what
are
site
plans?
The
code
of
Virginia
enables
localities
to
require
special
exception
permits
for
a
wide
variety
of
uses
and
building
forms
and
special
exception
actually
can
pertain
to
either
conditional
zoning
where
it
is
something
that
requires
special
permission
to
do
subject
to
conditions
that
mitigate
the
impact
of
the
use.
G
And
you
know
we
call
those
use
permits
in
Arlington
other
places,
call
them
special
use
permits,
and
but
what
is
unique
to
Arlington
is
that
we
have
a
site
plan
process
there.
There
are
most
of
the
rest
of
the
Commonwealth.
G
Does
things
a
bit
differently
than
we
do
so
we
have
special
enabling
enabling
legislation
that
allows
us
to
do
incentive
zoning,
so
the
site
special
exception
site
plan
is
the
tool
that
we
use
to
implement
incentive
zoning.
So
what
that
means
is
that
the
site
plan
development
is
allowed
to
be
proposed
at
a
density
intensity
that
are
above
the
buy
right
standards
of
the
zoning
ordinance
in
order
to
implement
County
goals
and
policies.
G
So
if
you're
familiar,
we
have
a
lot
of
sector
plans
and
comprehensive
plan
elements
that
have
various
goals
and
objectives
and
recommendations,
and
so
the
site
plan
is
the
primary
tool
for
implementing
those
goals
and
recommendations
through
this
incentive
of
increased
density.
G
Now,
along
with
that,
is
the
legal
ability
for
the
board
to
modify
zoning
standards
again
related
to
density
building
placement
use
height,
all
of
these
kind
of
things,
building
form
and
placement
parking
and
other
aspects
of
the
development,
so
that
that's
what
a
site
plan
is
when
you,
if
you
were
an
applicant
and
you
were
filing
an
application
for
a
site
plan,
the
main
component
of
that
application
there's
a
lot
of
legal
documents
that
are
involved
in
it.
G
But
the
main
component
of
that
is
a
set
of
what
we
call
cycling,
drawings.
The
site
plan
drawings
consist
of
three
main
component
parts,
although
sometimes
there's
more.
Those
are
civil
engineering
plans,
architectural
plans
and
conceptual
landscape
plans,
and
then
again
you
know
the
application
will
have
other
types
of
elements
such
as
sustainability,
documentation,
multi-modal
Transportation
assessments
and
things
of
that
nature.
But.
G
Drawings
are,
are,
you
know
when
we
think
of
the
site
plan,
it's
the
draw
and
those
kind
of
show
what
the
proposed
development
is.
So
at
the
end
of
the
site
plan
process,
those
are
approved
by
the
board
and
they
are
regulatory.
G
So
if
you
know
the
board
approves
the
Civil
plans
and
it
shows
a
building-
that's
set
back
15
feet
from
the
edge
of
from
the
face
of
curb
that's
regulatory.
They
have
to
do
that.
That's
that's
the
law,
cycling
conditions,
site
plan
conditions
are
also
legal
instruments
that,
along
with
the
drawings,
regulate
land,
use
development
statistics,
features
amenities,
mitigations,
building
site
operations,
construction
activities
and
permitting
processes.
So
we
have
52
standard
site
plan
conditions
and
the
majority
of
these
those,
as
I
mentioned.
G
You
know
those
are
regular
regulating
activities
during
construction
they're
talking
about
required
permitting
processes,
but
we
also
have
conditions
that
regulate
development.
Statistics
like,
for
example
here
is
your
parking
ratio
that
you
have
to
provide.
So
you
know
the
drawings
will
show
here's
your
garage
and
here's.
The
layout
of
the
garage
and
the
condition
will
regulate
here
is
the
ratio,
so
you
have
to
provide
0.8
spaces
per
residential
unit.
G
A
A
As
like
a
site
class
like
sometimes
we
see
that
happening
where
they
look
at
like
the
Ingress
and
exits
of
all
things
and
adjust
parking
based
on
that
is,
that
is
that
possible.
G
G
G
So
we
have
a
set
of
standard
site
plan
conditions
and
the
list
of
standard
site
plan
conditions
is
not
in
and
of
itself
regulatory.
It's
just
the
the
Baseline
that
we
use
when
we
when.
G
B
G
Applicant,
let's
go
through
this
list
and
and
determine
what's
applicable
and
what's
not
applicable,
let's
change
things
to
make
sure
that
it
fits
the
specific
project.
G
Sometimes
not
all
of
the
language
is
going
to
be
applicable
to
a
specific
project
or
you
may
look
at
a
project
and
say
you
know
we
need
a
certain
site-specific
condition
to
to
for
for
this
issue,
that's
been
identified,
you
know
in
sprc,
or
something
like
that,
so
the
the
standard
conditions
are
just
that
they're,
just
the
Baseline
that
we
use
and
then
the
conditions
are
always
shaped
and
molded
to
suit
a
specific
project,
and
so,
when
the
board
approves
the
project,
they're
approving
the
set
of
conditions
that
has
been
shaped
and
molded
to
fit
that
project.
D
Okay
so
I
went
on
one
hand,
it
sounds
familiar,
wishy-washy
and
and
obviously
subject
to
a
lot
of
you
know
who's
in
the
room
situations,
but
I
kind
of
seems
to
be
similar
to
how
APS
handles
their
Ed
specs
every
project
seems
to
have
its
own.
That's
his
own
specs,
there's
certain
things
that
they
they
kind
of,
but
there
there
often
is
they
they
tailor.
They
change
the
Edge
specs
to
the
school
of
the
building,
I'm,
not
sure.
D
B
G
Every
site
plan
is
unique
right
and
so,
for
example,
we
have
a
lot
of
site
plans
that
have
like
our
standard
conditions
that
have
fill
in
the
blanks
right.
So
you
might
say,
here's
the
standard
language
and
then
there
are
a
bunch
of
blanks
fill
in
the
streetscape
dimensions
or
you
know
we
have
our
public
art
condition
that
has
fill
in
the
blank.
What
is
the
monetary
contribution
going
to
be
and
that's
all
reviewed.
B
G
Staff,
it's
reviewed
by
the
sprc
in
this
review.
You
know
a
recommendation,
that's
given
to
the
board
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
everyone
sees
those
conditions
and
everyone.
You
know
you
know
the
Planning
Commission
will
review
that.
If
they
don't
like
it,
they
can
make
a
motion
and
recommend
to
the
board
that
that
be
changed
and
oftentimes.
It
does
happen.
G
Like
10
site-specific
conditions,
depending
on
various
issues
like,
for
example,
you
know-
let's
say
we
have
a
site
plan
that
is
going
to
Implement.
G
You
know
we're
going
to
have
them
build
on-street
parking
meters
right,
so
we
would
have.
We
would
develop
a
condition
that
said
you're
going
to
build
parking
meters
and
you're
going
to
show
it
on
your
Simple
Plan
civil
engineering
plan
and
they're
going
to
be
along
the
stretch
of
the
street
right.
So
so
it's
those
types
of
things
you
know
every
project
is
different.
G
The
public
infrastructure
that's
being
delivered
with
these
projects
is
always
different,
and
so
we
have
to
you
know,
come
up
with
the
right
conditions
and
the
right
regulations
for
for
that
specific
project.
I
think
you
can.
You
can
almost
think
of
site
plans,
it's
like
almost
like
a
site-specific
zoning
ordinance,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
different
at
every
site.
Can.
F
G
F
G
Will
try
to
explain
that
and
I
think
I
do
have
the
standard
set
of
conditions
up
so
I
could
reference
it
if
need
be,
but
essentially
the
conceptual
landscape,
planner,
sometimes
part
of
the
Civil
plans,
but
in
any
case
the
drawings
will
show
trees
that
are
to
be
conserved
on
the
site
or
trees
that
are
planted
and
our
standard
Cyclone
condition
that
says
that
within
I
think
it's
within
three
years
of
the
either
the
planting
of
the
tree
I
think
it's
the
delivery
of
the
lands,
the
the
landscape
plan.
G
If
those
trees
die,
then
they
have
to
pay
I.
Think
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
per
tree
into
the
tree
canopy
fund.
E
F
G
E
G
It's
part
of
the
same
condition,
but
that's
actually
a
different
calculation,
so
there's
a
calculation
that
gets
done
by
Vincent
furway
and
his
team
when
we
were
reviewing
site
plans
and
so
there.
So
if
they're
going
to
say
they're,
you
know
100
trees
on
site,
if
they're
going
to
remove
50
of
them
and.
B
G
Through
a
calculation
based
on
it,
wasn't
Marco
like
the
the
species,
the
health,
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
so
they
have
to
do
a
calculation
and
then
they
have
I
think
there
are
options
and
I
can't
remember
exactly
where
this
is
regulated.
I
think
it's
in
the
county
code.
G
Site
plan
issue,
because
it's
more
of
a
code
issue,
although
it
is
referenced
in
the
site
plan
conditions,
but
there's
tree
replacement,
there's
a
tree
replacement
formula
whereby
they
either
have
to
you
know
they
come
up
with
a
calculation
based
on
the
trees
that
are
being
removed,
and
so
say
they
maybe
they're.
Removing
50
trees
are
in
bad
Health.
That
comes
out
too.
They
need
to
replace
30
trees
right
based
on.
G
D
G
G
B
F
G
That's
part
of
the
condition
and
the
other
part
I
think
is
part
of
the
code,
but
I'm
not
100
on
that,
and
so
I
would
actually
before
before.
I
say
something
that's
not
true,
I
would
say.
Let
me
go
back
and
talk
with
Vincent.
It's.
E
F
A
G
So
in
in
the
tree,
replacement
calculations,
I
think
I,
don't
know
if
it
gets
into
species,
but
it
may
get
into
like
there's
a
certain
point
score
for
a
canopy
tree
versus
an
ornamental
right.
So
three
points
for
a
canopy
two
points
for
normal.
You
know
so
something
along
those
lines
but
again
before
I
say
something.
G
B
And
I
was
going
to
say
too.
All
of
this
is
also
part
of
that
Collective
effort
to
to
coordinate
also
with
our
urban
forestry
division
and
office,
so
that
if
there
is
any
sort
of
discrepancy
with
the
kind
of
trees
that
are
being
used
or
considerations
that
are
being
made
during
that
site
plan
review
process,
obviously
Vincent
or
his
team
would
be
involved
in
trying
to
clarify
what
would
be
acceptable.
F
Right
so
I
mean
yeah,
you'll,
think
it's
a
tangent
but
I've
noticed
around
Arlington
that
they're
an
awful
lot
of
crepe
myrtles
and
it's
all
properties
which
I
think
should
be
replaced
with
whenever
those
places
get
redeveloped
but
I.
You
know
so
like
this
is
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
that
you
know.
We've
got
a
lousy
set
of
trees
there
now
and
want
to
get
a
vegetable
or.
G
A
Would
be
interesting
or
even
like
I,
think
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
it,
just
as
when
we're
sitting
at
the
table
at
an
SCRC
and
one
of
these
site
plans
come
up
that
look
on
paper
pretty
dense
but
are
full
of
bad
trees.
We
have
to
hammer
in
on
that.
That's
something
that
we
have
absolutely
the
expertise
to
hammer
in
on.
To
say,
like
your
replacement
project,
should
include
this
for
the
right
reasons.
You
should
do
it
proponent.
Please.
F
B
Maven
also
review
how
it
aligns
with
the
civil
engineering
plan
as
well,
so
that
there's
a
lot
of
coordination
that
goes
amongst
the.
D
G
Our
job,
so
they
they
are
required
to
provide
tree
replacement
calculations
on
with
their
either
their,
but,
like
I
said
it.
Sometimes,
the
tree
replacement
plan
sheets
are
provided
with
the
conceptual
landscape
plan,
sometimes
they're
provided
with
the
Civil
plan.
It's
kind
of
is
PRC.
G
G
So
so
what
it'll
show
so
they'll
they'll?
Okay,
so
the
tree.
A
G
G
E
H
E
H
G
So
so
that's
the
thing
so
they
they'll
they
will
provide
the
draft
calculation.
Now
in
terms
of
the
actual
planting
plans,
we
don't
require
them
to
specify
species
on
the
conceptual
landscape
plan
and
I
know
that's
a
bone
of
contention
with
some
people,
but
we
don't
do
that
and
let
me
let
me
actually
go
to
the
next
slide,
because
actually,
yes
I'm
going
to
get
into
this-
this
is
actually
a
really
good
segue.
So
so
we
we
have.
G
Let
me
just
back
up
a
little
bit
and
say
we
have
a
document
called
the
administrative
regulation
4.1
that
I
am
actually
in
the
midst
of
completely
tossing
the
old
one
and
rewriting
this,
because
it's
badly
out
of
date,
I
actually
hope
to
have
that
work
completed
by
the
end
of
the
summer.
G
But
in
any
case,
this
document
has
standards
for
the
submission
of
the
conceptual
landscape
plan,
drawings
and
all
the
playing
drawings,
but
I'll
just
go
in
the
conceptual
landscape,
land,
drawings,
I
think
that's
what
this
group
is
probably
most
interested
in.
So
what
is
required
to
be
provided
on
those
drawings?
You
have
to
show
your
streetscapes
Dimensions
and
all
on-site
Open,
Spaces
Open
Spaces,
in
relation
to
the
proposed
and
above
below
grade
structures
and
utilities.
You
also
have
to
show
proposed
grading.
G
You
have
to
show
open
space
easement
areas,
including
a
labeling
of
sizes.
You
have
to
show
planting
details,
including
specifications
of
major
types
of
plants,
so
you
don't
have
to
put
species
at
this
stage,
but
you
do
have
to
say
this
is
a
canopy
tree.
This
is
an
ornamental
tree.
This
is
an
evergreen.
This
is
brown
for
ornamental.
Exactly
you
have
to
tell
us
broad.
You
know:
categories
Hardscape
materials
specifications.
This
would
be
brick
pavers.
G
You
know
things
like
that
and
then
Street
Furnishings
like
this
is
going
to
be
a
bench.
Doesn't
give
me
a
trash?
Can
you
don't
have
to
tell
us
exactly
what
it
looks
like
at
this
stage?
That
will
come
later
time.
C
Of
this
plan,
the
engineering
plan,
the
engineering
drawings,
are
available.
Yes,
what
we're
running
across
is
we
see
the
the
landscape
plan
and
then,
after
things
have
been
approved,
we're
in
the
post
side
approval
process,
they
say:
I've
done
the
engineering
drawings,
don't
let
us
put
a
tree
there.
You
knew
that
we're
building
a
multi-million
dollar
building
and
didn't
think
to
live
under
the
ground
right.
So
that
upsets
us
sure
sure,
but
that
can't
be
fair.
That
I
mean
how
on
Earth.
Can
you
not
know
that.
G
G
Engineering
drawing
it
is
they're
supposed
to
show
existing
and
proposed
utilities
on
the
Civil
drawings.
Okay,
they
actually
need
to
show
them
on
the
landscape
drawings
as
well
to
show
if
there
are
any
conflicts
with
Landscaping,
but
sometimes
they're
wrong
right,
sometimes
like
you
said
they
go
out
and
they
do
a
better
survey.
They
go
oops.
Actually
we
made
a
mistake
and
in
fact
that
happens
on
every
single
plan.
Yeah,
always
it
just
and
that's
one
of
those
conflicts,
one
of
the
things.
C
G
Of
the
things
that
we
did
recently
when
we
updated
the
standard
conditions
last
year,
one
of
the
things
we
did
it
used
to
be
that
post
approval
you
had
to
submit
your
civil
engineering
plan
prior
to
the
issuance
of
your
Land,
Development
permit
and
or
I'm
sorry,
land
disturbing
activity
permit.
Oh,
and
then
you
submit
your
landscape
plan
at
a
later
timing.
G
What
we
did
is
we
changed
the
timing
and
now
they
have
to
submit
both
at
the
same
time,
which
is
better
so
there's
better
coordination
of
those
two
planes,
so
it
used
to
be
the
Civil.
People
would
identify
a
conflict,
they'd
resolve
it
and
by
the
time
it
got
to
Laura-
and
you
know
others
in
my
group
that
reviewed
the
landscape
plans.
It
was
already
a
done
deal
and
we
just
have
to
design
the
landscape
around
that,
and
so
we
changed
it.
G
So
there's
much
better
coordination,
communication
between
Laura's
group
and
the
Civil
Engineering
Group.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we've
done
to
address
that
conflict,
but
that's
just
kind
of
inherent
in
so.
C
G
B
G
Then
they'll
show
where
they
can,
where
they're,
proposing
new
utilities
and
trees
and
site
features
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
okay,
and
so
those
in
an
Ideal
World.
Those
would
be
worked
out.
You
know
we
have
our
Des
plain
reviewers
that
are,
you
know,
they're
almost
the
coordinators
for
the
entire
department
of
environmental
services
and
it's
they.
They
do
a
very
extensive
review,
pre-approval
of
the
site
plan,
drawing
so
try
to
identify
all
those
conflicts
forehand,
but
no
one's
ever.
A
Perfect
right
and
I
I
would
even
say
like
this
is
for
me
jogging,
like
let's
let
Matt
mess
it
up
and
redo
4.1
right.
The
way
that
we
think
that
you
know
we'll
have
more
of
a
coordinated
response.
Let's
revisit
this
in
a
year
and
ask
for
that
metric
yeah.
How
many
times
is
the
environment
is
shafted
because
of
this,
and
how
many
times
are
we
winning?
You
know
yeah,
based
on
a
year
of
site
plans.
G
The
one
thing
is
a
in
in
kind
of
following
the
counties:
the
county
boards
I
think
the
joining
of
the
Bible
cities.
Network
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
trying
to
you
know,
I
know
we
don't
have
any
adopted
policy
at
this
time
that
implements
five
or
that
that
provides
the
objective
for
five
full
of
design
Insight
plans.
However,
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
in
order
to
kind
of
spark
the
discussion
at
sprc
is
to
have
developers
submit
with
their
site
plan
application
a
written.
G
Can
provide
pictures
too
if
they
want
that
that
goes
through
the
I
think
the
14
biophilic
design
and
provide
a
narrative
as
to
you
know
which
of
these
are
they
going
to
be
implementing
in
this
project
and
how
are
they
doing
it,
and
so
that
will
be
part
of
the
application
document?
And
so,
when
we
get
to
that
item
on
the
sprc
agenda,
we
can
put
that
up
on
screen.
G
A
H
G
We'll
be
thinking
about
this,
so
so
the
the
biophilic
design
narrative
that
would
just
be
part
of
the
application.
It's
not
intended
to
be
regulatory,
but
it's
intended
to
be
for
discussion
purposes
now,
once
the
fnrp
is
approved.
If
it
has
specific
design
guidelines,
we
may
look
at
our
standard
site
plan
conditions
and
look
to
see
whether
any
changes
or
adjustments
need
to
be
made
to
our
landscape
plan
condition
to
implement
any
of
the
recommendations
or
from
the
fnrp.
G
C
It
was
very
nice,
but
I
think
if
I
think
that
the
county
and
pretty
much
everybody
is
challenged
with
defining
what
biophilic
design
looks
like
and
what
that
is
until
we
and
that
you
know
that's
where
you
came
up
with
the
grocery
store
that
had
a
green
wall
that
was
astrotov
right.
Okay,
you
have
things
like
that
and
it
isn't
until
we
learn
things
like
that.
C
But
you
say:
oh
what's
your,
we
have
to
know
to
probe
people,
but
we
shouldn't
have
to
know
the
details
of
how
a
green
wall
is
designed
to
Fair
it
out
that
that's
not
an
acceptable
design
kind
of
so
that
so
I
don't
know.
I,
don't
know
where
we
go
to
say
these
are
our
not
diophilic
Divine
design
standards
but
examples
of
proven
biophilic
designs,
I,
I,
don't
know
what
you've
got
an
example.
H
A
E
E
F
F
B
A
G
So,
just
on
on
the
conditions
itself,
so
this
this
is
the
main
condition:
I
think
that
that
you
know
governs
the
Landscaping
on
the
site
that
you
know
this
condition
will
even
also
govern
the
delivery
of
public
spaces,
not
totally.
We
have
a
separate
sort
of
standard
non-standard
condition
that
talks
about
process
and
design
and
things
of
that
nature.
But
when.
E
G
Things
are
delivered,
they're
delivered
through
the
final
landscape
plan,
standard
condition,
21
talks
about
what
do
you
have
to
show?
First
of
all,
what
is
the
timing?
G
What
is
the
timing
by
which
you
have
to
submit
your
final
landscape
plan
and
have
it
approved
by
what
needs
to
be
shown
on
the
final
landscape
plan?
And
then,
when
do
you
have
to
deliver
these
elements?
So,
but
a
couple
of
things
to
note
you
know
the
the
interrelation
between
the
conceptual
landscape
plan
and
the
final
landscape
plan.
Obviously
the
final
landscape
plan
is
much
much
more
detailed,
much
more
detailed.
G
It
will
have
very
specific
species
of
plantings,
specific
hard,
cable,
Hardscape
materials,
specific
site
Furnishings
rather
than
General
here's.
You
know,
here's
generally
we're
going
to
put
it.
You
know,
put
a
bench.
E
G
Final
landscape
plan
will
say:
this
is
the
brand
of
the
bench
that
we
are
using
right,
so
lighting
and
a
lighting
exactly
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
it's
much
more,
it
is
detailed.
It
is
what's
on
the
final
landscape.
Plane
is
what
gets
built
and
so
yeah
yeah
and
then
again,
like
I
said
it
says,
for
timing
for
delivery.
G
So
I
put
a
little
note
here.
That
said
that
you
know
I
think
one
once
the
fnrp
is
adopted.
We
will
then
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
the
recommendations
that
are
coming
from
that
and
we'll
determine.
Then,
if
there
need
to
be
any
adjustments
made
to
this
condition
to
require
new
elements
such
as
I
know.
G
That
a
staff
level
decision
the
standard
site
plan
conditions,
isn't
it
it's
an
administrative
document
itself,
because
so
so
that
that
would
just
be
something
that
we
would
develop
in
consultation
with
the
county,
manager's
office?
Okay,
so.
A
But
so
then,
our
last
letter
on
this
did
go
to
the
county
manager
right.
Yes,
so
assumingly
we
should
look
towards
end
of
summer.
It
Matt
is
working
hard,
I
hope
so
right.
G
Now
yeah,
but
we
do
have,
we
have
a
working
draft
and
we
later.
G
So
now
I'm
gonna
shift
gears
talk
about
sbrc,
so
again,
I
think
all
of
you
know
about
sprc
I
think
you've
all
come
to
meetings
before
and
participated
in
the
conversation,
so
just
just
to
review
really
quickly.
Sprc
is
a
standing
committee
of
the
Planning
Commission
charged
with
facilitating
the
public
review
of
site
plan
projects.
G
So
this
is
a
relatively
new
thing
and
we
now
have
to
have
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
rosters
for
each
individual
project,
but
the
kind
of
the
standard
list
of
organizations
that
are
on
the
rosters
for
sbrc
projects
include,
you
know:
board
appointed
commissions
and
committees
such
as
this
commission,
forcery,
National,
Resources,
Commission
and
c2e2,
among
many
others.
G
So
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
public
space
landscaping
and
biophilic
design
is
a
standard
bullet
point
on
the
sprc
discussion
agenda.
So
it's
usually
at
the
second
meeting
first
meeting
we
usually
will
talk
about
site,
layout,
Building
architecture
and
then
the
second
meeting
will
go
into
you
know:
public
space,
landscaping,
biophilic
design,
Transportation
all
that
stuff,
our
our
yep,
so
yeah.
C
A
C
It's
designed
to
set
up
kiosks
in
the
summer
for
retail,
so
it's
all
of
those
things
and
what
we
really
end
up
with
is
a
a
big,
concrete
or
a
big,
large
impermeable
surface
area
with
trees
saluting
on
each
side.
Like
that,
as
you
go
down,
the
Promenade
is
there:
is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
negotiate,
not
the
space,
but
the
space
of
impermeables
of
permeable
and
impermeable
surface
yeah.
G
I
mean
absolutely
I
think
that
is
a
legitimate
topic
to
raise
at
sprc
and
the
appropriate
way
to
do
that
is
to
to
come
to
the
meeting
and
say
we've
reviewed
the
materials
we
think
there
is
too
much
impervious
surface
in
this
element
of
this
public
space.
It
change,
and
then
you
know,
staff
is
there
and
we're
writing
that
down
and
we'll
go
back
to
the
developer
and
say
how
are
you
going
to
address
this
comment?
How.
G
What
I
will
say
is
that
stormwater
management,
while
we
do,
we
do
get
draft
stormwater
management
plans
with
the
site
plan
application,
and
so
those
are
reviewed
by
Des
and
they're
available
for
everybody
to
look
at
since
stormwater
management
is
it's
regulated
by
the
chest?
Bay
ordinance
right?
G
So
it's
a
code
requirement
yeah,
so
we
typically
don't
get
too
far
into
the
weeds
and
stormwater
management
at
the
site
plan
level,
because
it
is
generally
conceptual
and
that's
usually
taken
care
of
at
you
know,
with
the
land
disturbing
activity
permit
in
civil
engineering
plan.
G
That's
when
they're
they're
reviewed
for
compliance
versus
the
chest
pain
organs.
Now
there
are
exceptions
to
that.
Like
I
know
there
there
have
been
times
where
you
know
there
have
been
aspects
of
storm
water
management
that
actually
have
impacted
site
design
like,
for
example,
the
what's
the
project
over
by
YMCA
the
Lemon
Street
development
site.
They
had
to
build
in
a
very
large
Overland
relief
area,
and
so
that
became
an
integral
part
of
the
site.
Design
and
so
that
was
discussed
at
sbrc,
but
generally
it's
not.
They.
B
And
then
going
back
to
your
earlier
Point
Colt
in
terms
of
went
to
voice
these
opinions
or
not
opinions,
but
what
to
voice?
These
concerns
related
to
ferbius
versus
impervious
surface
I
mean
I
could
speak
to
a
few
projects.
I
know
for
Crystal
Plaza,
one
I
believe
it
was,
and
also
Crystal
Plaza,
five,
which
I
was
if
you
were
involved
as
part
of
DPR.
We
also
had
those
very
same
concerns
when
it
came
to
you
know.
B
This
is
acting
more
of
a
Hardscape
Promenade
area,
instead
of
it
being
more
integrated
within
the
public
space
development,
and
if
we
are
going
to
have
a
you
know
a
park
easement
or
a
public
access
easement.
What
can
we
do
here
in
order
to
make
it
more
lively
and
more
biophilic
in
nature,
so
that
that's
one
of
the
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
certainly
bring
forward
as
part
of
our
initial
staff
comments,
but
also
within
the
site
plan
review
committee
process
in
review.
B
You
know
we
want
members
of
the
committee
to
raise
those
issues
so
that
way,
when
the
developer
hears
them,
they
can
come
back
with
an
updated
rendering
or
an
updated
concept
for
what
they
would
want
to
have
to
put
forward.
And
usually
we
come
up
with
something
that's
much
better
in
terms
of
that
that
impervious
versus
pervious
I've
only.
G
But
you
know
again,
as
Marco
said,
there's
a
staff
review
and
then
the
sprc
review
you
know,
staff
we
meet,
we
may
be
reading
the
policy
very
narrowly,
but
then
the
sprc
may
come
up
with
something
like
hey.
This
is
just
common
sense.
There's
way
too
much
impervious
surface
here
and
then
you
know
that
that
helps
us
say
yeah.
G
G
So,
just
a
very
brief
word
on
the
review
of
site
plans,
so
this
just
again
this
is
very
topical
for
what
we
were
just
talking
about.
You
know:
stat
in
interdepartmental
group
of
staff
is
always
involved
in
the
review
of
site
plans.
G
From
our
end,
it's
my
team
in
PhD
planning
are
the
project
managers
so
we're
the
coordinators
we're
kind
of
the
face
of
the
project,
but
there
are
always
staff
from
from
you
know
various
departments
that
are
involved
in
the
review,
so
we
have
a
des
planner
that
always
is
working
on
the
the
project.
A
DPR
planner,
an
instance
group
has
always
involved
real
estate
is
always
involved.
G
Ae
AED
is
always
involved,
so
it
truly
is
in
a
departmental
group
that
reviews
these
things,
and
we
are
our
primary
starting
point
for
the
review
of
this
is
per
our
County
codes
and
ordinances
in
conformance
to
adoptive
plans
and
policies.
So
I've
heard
a
lot
of
good
ideas
here
today
and
what
I
would
say
to
you
is
if
something
is
important
to
you
should
be
in
the
policy,
because
that's
what
we're
reviewing
it
against
and
so
just
the
last
bullet
here.
This
is
really
important.
G
You
can
see
the
comprehensive
plan
we'll
we
have
a
lot
of
different
elements
of
our
comprehensive
plan
and
so
our
recommendations
and
our
negotiations
with
the
developer
and
our
event.
The
eventual
package
that
comes
forth,
has
to
be
a
balance
of
all
of
these
different
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
there
are
always
policy
conflicts.
There
always
are
in
every
site
plan.
G
Do
we
get
more
open
space
or
do
we
get
more
housing?
Or
you
know
there
are
all
these
policy
priorities.
Our
group
will
make
a
recommendation
to
Mark
Schwartz
But.
Ultimately,
ultimately,
it
is
Mark
Schwartz
recommendation
and
so
that
that's
what
comes
forward.
F
Is
how
to
calculate
and
the
trade-off
between
different
County
priorities
and
saving
carbon
or
reducing
carbon,
and
so
on
and
I'm,
hoping
that
our
new?
What
is
this
title?
Trudy
sustainability.
E
E
F
G
It
is,
it
is
a
balancing
act,
because
you
know
our
incentive
zoning
policy
or.
G
Regime
sort
of
puts
you
know
we
for
for
the
additional
density
and
height.
That
is
question
through
the
site
plan.
We
look
for
infrastructure
and
amenities
to
be
provided
in
order
to
achieve
that
additional
heightened
density,
and
so
there
is
a
dollar
value.
You
know
there
and
you
know
you
it
has
to
be
by
law.
It
has
to
be
comparable
right.
So
you
know,
and
so
I
say
that
to
say
that
there
is
a
finite
pool
stuff.
G
We
can
get
for
site
plans,
so
that
has
to
be
balanced
across
all
of
these
different
comprehensive
plan
elements,
and
maybe
the
county
manager
says:
hey:
I
have
a
big
need
for
a
library
right
here
you
come
into
the
expense
of
Public
public
space
where
it
could
come
at
the
expense
of
hey.
Maybe
you
could
have
gotten
right.
Maybe
you.
D
G
That
that
is
part
of
stats
negotiation
with
the
applicant
during
the
process.
G
Well,
we
so
it
is.
It
is
off
the
mark
for
to
communicate
those
policy
preferences
to
us
to
Aiden
in
our
negotiations,
but
it
is
a
topic
at
sprc.
So,
but
it's
also
it's
also
Guided.
G
G
G
Once
you
have
your
site
plan
entitlement
approved,
you
can't
just
go
ahead
and
build
it.
You
need
a
whole
bunch
of
permits
and
plans
approved.
So
we
have
a
post
4.1
plan
which
is
to
capture
everything
if
the
board
made
changes
on
the
dice
or
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
changes
that
we
didn't
have
time
to
slip
sheet
in
the
drawings
that
the
board
approved
that
those
get
you
know
worked
into
this
post
4.1
plan
that
then
becomes
the
master
set
that
everything
else
is
reviewed
against.
G
We
have
a
tree
protection
plan.
Civil
engineering
plan,
as
we've
talked
about
maintenance
of
traffic
plan,
the
final
landscape
plan,
of
course,
a
facade
plan
and
all
of
these
plans
go
into
much
more
fine-grained
detail
than
what
is
approved
with
the
site
plan
drawings.
Now,
as
I'll
I'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit,
that
doesn't
mean
you
can
make
changes
to
the
general
concepts
that
were
approved
the
site
plan,
so.
G
To
go
through,
if
you
are
making
changes,
we
also
have
land
and
building
permits.
So
the
way
the
conditions
are
administered
administered
is
that
you
know
condition
five.
The
phasing
plan
you
have
to
get
your
phasing
plan
done
prior
to
the
issuance
of
the
land,
disturbing
and
activity
permit.
So
before
we
will
give
you
your
lane
to
servement
and
activity
permit,
you
have
to
have
met
all
of
those
conditions
that
are
required
to
be
met
before
then.
G
So
that's
how
basically
their
administrator
administered,
but
there
are
a
number
of
different
permits
developers
need
to
get
and
to
actually
build
these
side
plank
projects.
You
know
going
from
Demolition
excavation
your
below
grade
structure
and
then
your
above
grade
structure.
C
G
Yeah
it
is,
it
is
so
that
that
would
be
reviewed
per
per
the
facade
plan
and
Chris
Kreider.
Who
came
to
speak
to
this
group?
That's
that's
his.
His
job
is
reviewing
those
facade
plants.
G
And
then
finally,
certificates
of
occupancy
and
certificates
of
occupancy
are
issued
by
zoning,
and
basically
it
is
a
piece
of
paper
that
says
that
you
have
met
all
County
codes
and
requirements,
including
all
site
plan
conditions
in
order
to
occupy
various
components
of
the
building
final
landscape
plan
review.
So
we
talked
about
the
conceptual
landscape
plans,
so
the
final
landscape
plan
there.
It
is
reviewed
by
an
interdepartmental
team
but
Laura
schaab,
who
you
met
again.
G
She
is
the
County's
landscape,
architect
and
so
she's
the
project
manager
for
the
review
of
all
final
landscape
plans.
Now
the
final
landscape
plans
get
reviewed
per
condition
21.
So
if
there's
anything
special
that
was
appended
to
condition,
21
Laurel
reviews
it,
and
she
also
there's
this
document.
You
can
see
this
picture
here,
which
it
we
call
collectively
it's
a
grouping
of
various
different
things,
but
it
we
collectively
call
it
the
Arlington
County
Landscape
standards.
G
It
includes
standards
for
landscape
for
landscaping
that
are
pulled
from
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
also
includes
standards
for
planting
and
preservation
of
trees,
recommended
trees
and
invasive
species
list.
So,
as
I
said,
you
know
you
don't
have
to
you.
Don't
have
to
tell
us
exactly
what
species
you're
proposing
you
know
with
your
conceptual
landscape
plan
on
the
front
end,
but
on
the
back
end
you
do
have
to
tell
us,
and
so
Laura
will
review
that
and
say:
oh
you
can't
do
that.
G
That's
an
invasive
species
and
then
we
also
have
a
landscape
and
tree
preservation
plan
checklists
that
she
will
go
through
and
then
finally
I
had
this
bullet,
because
it's
it's
important
but
best
planning
and
urban
design
practice
I
mean.
B
G
Professional
she's
professional
landscape
architect,
so
she
she
is
reviewing
this
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
high
standards,
so
changes
to
site
plans
post
approval.
G
This
is
something
that
I
get
questions
about
all
the
time,
so
people
are
always
asking
me.
Why
was
this
done
this
way,
and
why
did
we
didn't?
Why
did
we
not
see
it
and
how
come
it
didn't
come
back
to
sprc?
What
have
you?
G
What
we're
calling
a
major
amendment
is
when
you
are
coming
back
and
changing
the
plan
by
more
than
five
percent
of
the
total
floor
area
of
the
building.
So
if
you're
coming
back
and
you're
increasing
density
by
more
than
five
percent
of
the
approved
GFA,
that's
gonna
be
a
major
Amendment.
You
have
to
come
back
to
sprc
if
you
are
changing.
If
you
got
a
office
building
approved,
and
you
want
to
change
it
to
a
residential
building,
you
have
to
come
back
to
sprc.
G
If
your
building
height
is
changing,
you
have
to
come
back
to
sprc.
If
you
are
changing
the
site
area
used
to
calculate
density,
you
have
to
come
back
to
svrc
oops
minor
amendments,
so
a
minor
Amendment
does
not
need
to
go
back
to
sprc.
A
minor
amendment
is
a
change
that
does
not
meet
any
of
those
thresholds,
but
nonetheless
may
result
in
changes
to
density
or
Building
height
or
Site,
Area
or
parking,
or
any
of
these
development
statistics
that
the
board
approved.
G
So
maybe
you
want
to
change
your
parking
ratio
and
you
got
approved
for
100
spaces,
but
now
you
think
actually
I
don't
need
that
many
I
want
to
do
90
spaces.
You
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
and
get
a
minor
Amendment
and
administrative
changes.
So
staff
has
the
ability,
through
the
zoning
ordinance
it's
actually.
The
zoning
administrator
person
who
is
the
zoning
administrator
is
the
person
who
has
the
ultimate
Authority
on
approving
administrative
changes,
but.
G
May
make
changes
to
an
approved
site
plan
as
long
as
they
do
not
impact
any
of
the
major
development
statistics.
So
no
changes
to
density,
you
can't
even
add
one
additional
square
foot
of
GFA
to
a
building
without
going
back
to
the
board
has
to
be
exactly
the
same
amount
of
GFA
approved
by
the
board.
You
can't
make
any
changes
to
parking,
can't
make
any
changes
to
height
and
then
those
those
are
the
big
ones,
but
also-
and
this
is
this
is
a
this-
is
a
very
important
point.
G
But
but
it's
it's
subtle
and
it's
sort
of
would
be
I
think
viewed
as
subjective,
but
if,
let's
say
a
developer,
comes
back
and
he's
not
making
any
change
they're,
not
making
any
changes
to
any
of
the
development
statistics.
Those
are
all
the
same,
but
the
building
looks
completely
different.
G
B
The
very
least,
and
and
actually
Max
just
brought
up
a
really
good
point,
not
just
the
building.
It
also
may
be
a
consideration
when
it
comes
to
anything
that
was
approved
as
part
of
public
space
development
too.
So,
if
they're
an
example
being
the
crossing
Clarendon
development
that
went
through
a
few
years
ago
and
then
was
updated
earlier
this
year.
B
So
again
that
also
went
through
the
minor
amendment
process
that
actually
had
conditions
of
approval
way
back
in
the
in
the
late
90s,
when
it
was
originally
approved,
where
this
commission,
as
well
as
potentially
having
I,
think
it
was
I'm,
not
mistaken,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
went
back
to
the
sprc
or
not.
But
I
know
that
there
was
more
of
a
public
review
related
to
that
as
well,
where
there
needed
to
be
that
level
of
consideration
before
the
new
design.
For
that
public
space
could
be
considered
by
the
County
board.
G
Right
right
exactly
so
that
that
that
falls
under
this
second
bullet
category,
where
you
have
made
changes
that
yeah
you're,
not
you're,
not
changing
any
of
the
development
statistics,
but
you've
made
a
change
such
that
you're.
No
longer
sort
of
it's
a
change
that
we
believe.
That
is
substantive
enough.
That
it
needs
to
go
back
and
be.
You
know,
approved
by
the
board,
specifically
because
it's
out
of
the
spirit
of
the
board's
approval
of
the
site
plan.
G
G
B
There
is
a
certain
zoning
determination,
a
letter
process,
I
know
that
that
the
zoning
administrator
does
undertake,
and
then
that
obviously
takes
a
lot
of
review
and
and
time
in
order
to
figure
out
exactly
what
that
determination
will
be
I
believe
that
may
be
appealable.
B
No
and
then
they
also
make
recommendations
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
which
is
another
proof
that
that's
within
the
county.
That's
a
county.
G
G
G
Does
have
powers
that
are
given
to
her
by
the
state
constitution?
Oh
okay,
that
like,
for
example,
she
can
make
a
determination
on
something
and
even
Mark.
Schwartz
couldn't
tell
her
that
Mark
Schwartz
might
say:
I,
don't
like
that
change.
It
and
arlova
can
say
sorry
I'm.
The
zoning
administrator
and
I
get
to
make
this
decision
well.
G
Okay,
so
I
was
going
to
give
an
example
oops
going
back
to
the
slide.
I
was
going
to
give
an
example
and
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
process,
so
a
good
example
of
this
dynamic
in
place.
Right
now
we
have
a
minor
site
plan
amendment
that
has
been
submitted
to
us
for
the
crystal
houses
site.
We
had
a
site
plan
approved
there
in
2019
that
I
actually
personally
worked
on.
G
But
now
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
ownership.
Now
you
know:
Washington
housing
Conservancy
owns
the
land
and
they're
going
to
develop
it
as
an
affordable
housing
project.
They
APPA
has
been
commissioned
to
develop
the
site
and
so
they're
delivering
delivering
an
affordable
housing
product.
So
one
of
the
buildings
they're
in
for
a
minor
Amendment
what
they've
submitted
the
their
increasing
density.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
minor
Amendment,
it's
below
the
threshold
of
five
percent,
so
they
don't
need
to
be
a
minor
Amendment.
G
G
That
are
different
about
the
way
the
building
functions,
the
way
it
relates
to
the
stream,
the
Urban
Design,
the
Landscaping,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
what
we're
going
to
do?
Because
you
know
we
don't
do
this
for
every
minor
Amendment,
but
those
that
involve
new
construction,
those
that
we
think
that
you
know
the
public
has
an
interest
in
weighing
in.
G
We
are
going
to
hold
a
special
meeting
and
that's
going
to
be
set
up,
probably
in
the
fall
sometime
I'm
going
to
hold
a
special
meeting
to
have
the
applicant,
introduce
the
changes
to
a
group
of
you
know
the
community
essentially
to
review
what
the
changes
are
and
we're
going
to
solicit
comments
and
and
take
those
back
and
so
for
those
from
the
minor
Amendment
for
those
meetings
kind
of
it's
our
standard
kind
of
invite
we'll
invite
the
sprc
chair
that
shared
the
project.
G
So
in
this
case
with
Jim
Lynn,
tell
me
so
we'll
invite
Jim
and
then
we'll
invite
you
know
to
the
extent
we'll
take
a
look,
the
sprc
list
and
the
various
commissions
committees
that
participated
and
will
invite
those
as
warranted.
So,
for
example,
there
were
major
changes
to
trying
to
think
there
were
major.
G
There
are
some
changes
to
the
streetscape,
so
we'll
invite
Pam
van
Heine,
because
she
was
the
necessary
advisory
committee,
member
that
worked
on
the
site
plan,
so
we'll
invite
her
to
the
meeting
to
look
at
the
change
just
so
it
it's
those
types
of
lists
that
we'll
put
together
we'll
we'll
also
obviously
invite
the
Civic
associations
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
everything.
So
that's
it's
not
quite
sprc,
but
it
is
going
to
give
the
the
community
a
chance
to
review
that
minor
Amendment
and
provide
some
input.
A
F
G
But
that's
something
I
could
look
into
and
get
back
on.
Okay,
but
again,
keep
in
mind
you
know
it.
The
types
of
changes
that
we
would
consider
for
an
administrative
change
would
be
like,
for
example,
hey
the
location
of
this
tree
moved
two
feet
to
the
to
the
west,
or
you
know
this
path
was.
We
said
it
was
going
to
be
like
this
gauge
gravel.
It's
actually
going
to
be
a
different
gauge,
or
now
it
winds.
This
way,
a
little.
B
F
G
Know
it's
they're
minor
changes
right,
but
it's
not,
but
it's
still
within
the
spirit
of
whatever's,
been
approved,
right,
post-approval,
exactly
yeah
so,
but
and
and
it's
and
it's
up
to
us
in
consultation
with
the
Zone
administrator
to
determine
hey
collectively.
Do
all
these
changes
have
a
really
big
impact,
and
now
it's
just
not
within
the
spirit
of
the
board's
purple
and.
E
G
B
Turn
it
over
to
Marco.
Thank
you,
Matt,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
the
points
that
was
just
discussed
by
Matt
and
by
the
rest
of
our
group
here,
We've
touched
upon
a
lot
of
it,
but
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
talk
through
a
little
bit
of
what
we
do
in
terms
of
public
space
development
and
how
that's
also
influenced
by
the
site
plan
review
process,
whether
it
be
concurrently
with
the
site
plan
or
post
approval.
B
So,
as
Matt
mentioned
earlier
in
terms
of
our
guidance,
there
are
various
plans
that
we
look
to
for
guidance
as
we
move
forward
with
public
space
development.
One,
of
course,
is
the
public
spaces
faster
plan,
which
was
adopted
four
years
ago,
which
looks
into
a
lot
of
different
elements.
B
Actually,
I
can
speak
to
Priority
action
1.59
within
the
plan
which
details
that
Park
master
plan
should
be
developed
for
all
new
parks
or
when
renovation
existing
Parks
require
any
major
rearrangement
of
Park
amenities.
So
again,
that's
one
element
that
we
use
in
order
to
come
forward
with
a
new
plan
for
a
public
space,
whether
it
be
through
the
park,
Master
planning,
process
or
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
It
may
be
also
defined
as
part
of
the
site
plan
review
process.
B
Some
of
the
elements
that
are
referenced
within
the
psmp
again
level
of
service
Maps
access,
Maps,
trying
to
see
exactly
what's
there
on
site
now,
county-wide,
but
also
within
that
particular
area,
and
then
where
those
needs
are
for
particular
uses
treatments.
Things
like
that,
and
then
there
are
design
guidelines
for
privately
owned
public
spaces
that
are
referenced
within
the
psmp
as
well
as
the
psnp.
B
We
also
have,
of
course,
what's
being
worked
on
now
for
the
forestry
and
natural
resources
plan,
which
is
currently
known
as
the
urban
Forest
faster
plan,
so
again
detailing
long-term
goals
for
tree
canopy
strategies
and
priority
address
that
in
a
comprehensive
and
systemic
manner.
B
But
also
now,
with
this
new
update,
we're
talking
through
conservation,
climate
mitigation
measures,
adaptation,
resilience,
biodiversity
and
then
all
of
how
all
of
that
can
be
included
as
part
of
the
review
and
also
be
part
of
this
fnrp
plan
update
so
again,
I
don't
have
the
specific
updates
right
now,
but
I
know
Ryan
will
be
coming
back
to
our
commission
in
the
fall
to
address
a
lot
of
these
points
further
as
well
as
that,
we
also
have
our
individual
land
use
plans
and
studies.
B
So
again
we
have
our
sector
plans
some
examples.
Of
course,
our
recently
adopted
Pentagon
City
sector
plan,
Rosalind
Clarendon
Crystal
City
sector
plan,
which
is
one
of
our
larger
ones
as
well.
Our
various
Club
studies,
which
look
into
so
many
of
the
different
aspects
within
Urban
Development.
So
we
talked.
E
B
Land
use
development,
Within,
These
sector
plans
and
guidance,
public
space
building,
design,
Transportation
historic
preservation,
you
name
it
so
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
elements
that
are
that
are
prescribed,
but
not
only
that
when
it
comes
to
the
public
space
development,
there
may
also
be
guidance
within
specific
public
spaces
that
are
that
are
provided
within
the
the
plan,
so
I
can.
For
example,
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan
has
26
public
spaces
that
are
identified
within
that
plan
area.
B
G
B
If
there's
a
site
plan
and
that
site
plan
calls
for
the
development
of
a
particular
Park
part
number
one
or
part
number
three,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
we
look
at
it
from
that
lens
and
within
the
guidance
that's
provided
within
that
sector
plan,
but
also
what
are
the
other
public
spaces
that
may
be
affected
by
that
by
that
development?
And
how
can
we
provide
the
best
connectivity,
the
best
access,
the
best
you
know
in
a
relationship
amongst
the
various
public
spaces
that
are
prescribed
within
within
those
plans.
B
So
that's
essentially
what
we
do
in
terms
of
our
work
when
we
look
at
various
public
spaces
that
are
put
forward
specifically
how
they
relate
to
specific
public
spaces
within
a
certain
site
plan,
but
also
how
it
relates.
Overall,
yes,.
A
I
guess
just
in
relation
to
that,
if
it's
a
strain
of
a
question
of
like
when
we
have
that
circumstance
where
there
may
be
a
lot
of
connective
properties
representing
the
space
I'm,
even
thinking
about
the
fire
station
issue
right,
things
like
that,
is
that
also
you
guys
are
working
to
help
develop
the
prioritization
of
which
sprc's
come
first
and
which
comes
second.
If
that's
something
that
is
also.
A
Why
did
we
I
just
want
to
know
like
how
did
we
decide
on
the
staging
of
Pet
Place
versus
like
starting
with
the
Helix
building
like?
Why?
Don't
we
just
start
with
the
Helix
building,
or
something
like
that?
You
know
you
know
the
the
specific
sprc
agenda
is
developed
by
the
sprc
chair.
A
So
that's
always
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission
developed
look
to
us
to
provide
guidance,
but
ultimately
they
have
the
decision,
and
so
that's
another
big
moment
where
we
should
also
weigh
in
on,
like
I,
think
our
point
of
view
to
get
the
biggest
swath
of
a
public
land
space
to
sprc
first,
so
it
anchors
that
you
know
Community
or
that
joining
of
properties
to
that,
whereas
maybe
the
planning
commissions,
who's,
setting
the
SP
agenda,
May
focus
on
the
large
building
or
something
like
that.
A
B
And
then
also
as
part
of
the
the
guidance
one
thing
that
we've
talked
about
a
lot
as
part
of
this
commission
as
well,
is
land
acquisition
opportunities
so
where
there
are
opportunities
within
either
within
a
private
development
project
or
or
something
of
that
nature,
where
there
can
be
potential
opportunities
to
expand
our
public
spaces,
either
through
privately
owned
public
space
opportunities.
I
o
or
incorporation
within
existing
Park
spaces.
B
I
know
there
are
a
few
site
plans
that
have
dealt
with
that
before
and
that
will
continue
to
be
dealing
with
that
in
the
future
as
well,
especially
within
the
Pentagon
City
and
Crystal
City
areas.
So
those
are
things
to
think
about
as
well
when
we
move
forward
with
our
development
of
our
public
spaces
and
what
we
use
in
order
to
you
know,
guide
those
those
spaces
slide.
A
Please
sure-
and
that's
obviously,
in
the
first
three
years
of
the
ten
of
five
sorry
of
the
five-year
psmp
for
trying
to
get
10
acres
of
new
web
acquisition,
we're
at
0.3
Acres.
So
every
time
we
need
to
start
dealing
about,
we
finally
got
it
in
so
the
psmp
we
now
have
to
yell
about
it,
so
they
have
to
meet
that
goal.
How
are
they
going
to
need
it?
We
don't
know.
B
Right-
and
you
know
that
that's
that's
definitely
part
of
the
the
process
that
we
have
to
you
know
dictate
moving
forward.
Is
you
know
where
do
we?
Where
do
we
find
these
opportunities
within
the
existing
site,
plan
projects
or
within
other
projects
in
order
to
fulfill
those
goals?
And
we
have
to
be
very
prescriptive
and
also
very
not
I
want
to
use
the
word
forceful,
but
very
persistent
when
it
comes
to
advocating
for
those
opportunities
when
it
comes
to
public
spaces
through
site
plans?
B
There
are
a
few
ways
in
which
we
review
them
within
the
county.
So
again,
site
plans
are
Guided
by
comprehensive
plans
and
other
sector
plans.
I
mentioned
the
various
sector
plans
earlier.
The
glob
and
other
area
plans
that
are
that
are
provided
future
land
uses
are
envisioned
for
when
red
Redevelopment
occurs,
and
that
may
include
the
creation
of
new
public
spaces
within
those
plants.
B
So
one
example
of
where
we
find,
for
you
know
further
opportunities
within
a
sector
plan,
because
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan
does
call
for
new
opportunities
to
create
public
spaces.
That
is,
that
may
not
have
been
previously
identified.
Is
the
Arlington
Junction
Park
area,
for
example?
That
was
not
an
area
that
was
called
out
as
part
of
public
space
development,
originally
within
the
sector
plan,
but
again
through
the
various
processes.
B
What
happened
with
the
streetcar
initiative
and
what
was
decided
as
part
of
what
this
land
could
be
used
for
in
the
future
priorities
within
the
psmp
among,
amongst
other
planning
documents,
it
was
determined
that
a
public
space
would
be
the
best
use
for
that
site,
and
that
was
also
dictated
as
part
of
a
post-approval
process
that
the
County
Board
went
through
by
creating
a
park
master
plan
for
that
Park
area.
B
So
again,
it's
not
just
spaces
that
are
already
prescribed
in
Plants,
but
also
opportunities
for
which
from
for
which
we
can
find
new
public
spaces
within
existing
planning
documents.
Again,
that's
the
middle
example
that
that's
shown
here
on
this
slide,
and
sometimes
we
have
planning
efforts
that
are
done
concurrently
with
the
site
plan,
so
one
example
being
the
Crystal
Plaza
one
project
where
we
had
a
pedestrian
access
area
where
there
were
park-like
amenities
provided.
So
we
did
have
the
sprc
look
at
the
makeup
of
that
space.
B
Again
to
Colts
Point
earlier
there
was
an
issue
related
to
The
Hardscape
versus,
what's
permeable,
what's
what
was
impermeable
within
that
particular
project?
So
we
did.
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
both
at
the
staff
level,
but
also
at
the
sprc
level
for
improving
that
condition,
but
also
activation.
B
So
what
kind
of
spaces,
or
what
kind
of
amenities
and
uses
could
be
put
in
place
in
order
for
that
space
to
be
more
activated
for
the
community
and
look
less
like,
as
you
were
saying
earlier,
window
dressing
for
a
particular
office
space
or
Residential
Building,
so
again,
some
of
that
process,
some
of
that
work
does
come
concurrently
with
the
sprc
or
again,
and
I
will
mention
this
in
more
detail
the
parkmaster
planning
process
and
what
that
entails
again.
Public
spaces
are
also
achieved
through
land
conveyance.
B
So
again,
this
could
be
through
easements,
whether
it
be
Park,
easements
or
Public,
Access
easements,
depending
on
what's
called
out,
potentially
within
our
sector
plans
or
also
within
the
psnp,
and
that
could
also
be
negotiated
as
part
of
the
site
plan
review
package.
I
guess,
site
mitigation
measures
is
what
we
call
them
right
now.
B
So
as
part
of
that,
the
the
package
that
developers
can
request
additional
density
for
I
mean
it
could
be
for
anything
related
to
again,
we
were
talking
about
affordable
housing.
It
could
be
for
transportation,
improvements,
storm
water,
public
spaces,
things
of
that
nature
and
then,
when
the
developer
opts
to
make
a
monetary
contribution
for
public
spaces,
that
contribution
can
go
for
the
future
development
of
public
spaces
within
the
area,
but
also
potentially
within
the
general
area
in
which
it
would
be
affected.
So,
for
example,
within
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan.
B
Again
we
have
26
areas
that
are
identified
within
that
plan.
However,
because
of
certain
timing,
issues
facing
what's
called
out,
even
also
within
our
Capital
Improvement
plan,
which
is
another
you
know
document
that
our
County
Board
uses
for
the
creation
of
our
public
spaces
as
well.
There
may
be
those
competing
interests
where
we
would
want
to
use
that
money
and
have
the
flexibility
to
use
that
money
to
develop
public
spaces
ahead
of
what
is
being
called
out
for
within
a
particular
site
plan.
B
So
a
lot
of
that
is
again
dictated
by
what
is
said
within
the
CIP.
The
negotiation
process
us
as
part
of
the
site
plan
review
and
what
can
be
done
in
terms
of
the
timing
and
the
phasing
for
certain
projects.
C
C
A
B
The
incredible
process
right
and
the
good
thing
is,
we
do
have
very
consistent
coordination
amongst
our
Park
Development
Division,
where
we
speak
with
Walter
Gonzalez
who's,
our
associate
planner,
who
does
the
coordination
site
plan
review
within
our
department?
But
then
he
also
then
conveys
you
know
the
needs.
The
preliminary
comments
on
certain
projects
back
to
our
cphd
staff,
who
then
provide
us
any
updates
related
to
what's
being
proposed
for
a
any
particular
site
plan
moving
forward.
A
Build
inroads
with
the
planning,
Commissioners
itself,
I
think
that
I've
gotten
like
when
I
don't
get
it
or
when
Marco
tells
us
I
additionally
get
secret
little
advice
from
again
I'm
going
to
point
out:
Elizabeth,
Garen
and
Tenley,
Peterson
and
and
other
another
paying
commission
members
who
have
the
background
that
we
don't
to
be
able
to
know.
What's
secretly
going
to
come
up
or
what?
Essentially,
we
should
hammer
it
on
if
it's
not
evident
in
on
second
lab.
C
B
Another
point
I
wanted
to
mention
just
so
it
doesn't
escape
my
mind
with
Crystal
City
in
particular,
but
I
know
it's
it's
something
that
we're
trying
to
do
for
other
areas
as
well.
Sometimes
it's
part
of
the
condition
language.
B
We
do
want
to
also
embed
the
flexibility
to
use
potential
funding
for
other
public
spaces
within
the
general
area
of
a
sector
plan
or
a
land
use
plan
area,
for
the
very
reasons
that
I
mentioned
earlier
in
terms
of
prioritization
in
terms
of
what's
called
out
within
the
CIP
and
then
other
guidance
that
potentially
you
know,
County
manager's
office
may
be
providing
or
even
the
board.
B
F
Yes,
this
is
the
case
that
there
is
no
process
now
where
a
developer
would
be
asked
to
contribute
to
I
mean
just
something
similar
to
the
tree:
canopy
fun.
But
let's
just
call
it.
The
bark
buying
fund.
G
Very
complicated
legal
issue:
okay,
so
we
have
the
authority
under
the
state,
the
code
of
Virginia
to
do
incentive
zoning.
So,
for
example,
we
could
do
and
we
have-
and
we
do
this
all
the
time
we
can
ask
for
a
cash
contribution,
for
you
know,
let's
say:
100
1.5
million
dollars
for
Park
planning
within
the
Rosslyn
coordinated
Redevelopment
area,
because
you
know
look,
we
were
gonna,
we
were
gonna
ask
for
open
space
anyway.
The
Ross
and
sector
plan
identifies
Open
Spaces
in
certain
locations.
G
F
G
G
Is
us
saying,
give
us
a
1.5
million
dollars
and
we'll
use
that
in
some
unspecified
time
period
countify
to
maybe
acquire
some
land
at
some
point?
That's.
G
H
A
A
C
C
B
A
Just
one
other
thing,
I
wanted
to
say
to
Colt's
question
about
like
how
do
we
keep
all
these
srcs
and
track
an
advertisement
earlier
this
year,
Planning
Commission
or
planning
department
came
out
with
that
one
website's
One-Stop
shop
of
all
the
active
past,
current
aspiracies
and
I
I
have
that
bookmark
because
I
regularly
look
at
it
to
just
check
like
are
there
ones
that
were
not
participating
in
that
I
care
about
or
do
I
know
the
lay
of
the
land
of
like
anything
going
on
around
the
one
that
we
are
participating
in
so
like
that
and
I
think
that,
should
they
worked
really
hard
to
get
into
that
resource
and
it
is
useful
from
that
perspective
to.
B
Next
slide
for
sure,
and
then
finally,
when
it
comes
to
the
steps
that
we
take
for
public
space
development
again,
there
are
opportunities
in
which
we
do
it.
Concurrently
with
the
sprc.
In
other
cases,
we
do
have
Park
Master
planning
efforts
in
which
we
initially
look
at
the
various
plans
and
policies,
the
lever,
the
levels
of
services,
anything
that
we
would
need
to
look
at
existing
conditions.
B
Maybe
there
is
already
an
existing
Park
and
we'd
have
to
you
know,
take
an
inventory
of
what's
there
now
and
what
need
may
need
to
be
replaced.
What
may
not
need
to
be
replaced
things
like
that,
so
we
go
through
that
exercise
and
then,
of
course,
we
then
engage
with
the
community.
So
as
part
of
our
first
engagement
opportunity,
we
provide
that
information,
but
then
potentially
various
concepts
for
how
this
public
space
could
look
like.
So
we
do
that
either
virtually
in
person
or
both
during
the
pandemic.
B
We've
we've
moved
on
all
virtual
form
and
know
this
specifically
with
metpark
when
we
had
our
first
in-person
meeting,
but
then
we
quickly
needed
to
move
to
the
to
the
virtual
format
to
provide
that
opportunity.
For
Community
feedback,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
just
abandoning
one
over
the
other.
We
may
do
a
mix
and
match
of
both
given
what
we're
doing
moving
forward.
B
B
B
But
again,
if
this
process
is
done
concurrently
with
the
sprc,
we
also
May
move
to
present
certain
items
directly
to
the
Civic
associations
as
well.
So
that
is
a
common
practice
as
well,
once
that
first
engagement
concludes
and
once
we
receive
the
information
from
that
first
engagement,
we
review
all
of
that
internally,
we
developed
one
final
concept
plan,
sometimes
two.
If
we
decide
to
have
a
third
engagement
opportunity,
but
typically
it's
a
one-two
process
where
we
have
that
one
final
design
concept.
B
What
is
being
considered
as
part
of
this
new
public
space
development,
and
then
we
solicit
feedback
that
way
that
could
then
be
again
processed
and
refined
further,
as
we
then
take
the
that
final
plan
or
that
final
draft
plan
back
to
the
commissions,
whether
it
be
back
to
this
commission,
the
PRC,
especially
if
it's
as
part
of
a
site
plan
review
process
before
student
Natural,
Resources
Commission.
We
also
sometimes
may
go
to
other
committees.
B
The
C2
E2
I
believe
now
is
what
it's
called
and
pedestrian
advisory
committee
amongst
others.
So
that
would
be
the
opportunity
to
bring
their
feedback
in
prior
to
then
going
to
the
county
board
for
adoption.
So
we
compile
all
of
that
final
concept
plan.
B
If
it
is
within
a
dpr-led
process,
we
then
have
a
larger
Park
Master
planning
document
design
guidelines
that
go
along
with
that
and
then
that
all
is
presented
moving
forward
as
part
of
a
larger
package
to
the
County
Board
and
again
this
commission,
the
fnrc
would
certainly
be
the
two
commissions
that
would
review
that
package
prior
to
the
County
Board
as
well
and
I.
Believe
that
is
the
end
of
our
presentation.
Yep.
A
A
A
Okay,
I'll,
kick
us
off
all
right,
so
next
steps
fnrp
in
the
fall
as
our
first
item
4.1
changes
closely
after
so
that's
our
next.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
have
a
presentation
for
Matt
again
before
we
write
a
letter
on
his
proposed
changes
to
the
4.1
talking
to
the
county
manager,
because
we
will
do
that.
Yes,
because
we
wanted
to
include
these.
G
A
G
Yeah
I,
let
me
go
back
and
and
talk
to
my
leadership.
Yeah
we'll
give.
D
C
D
G
A
Notification,
thank
you
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get.
A
H
B
A
We
only
do
it
to
staff
right,
no
I
think
you
know
we
all
agree.
This
is
a
huge
function
of
this
commission.
That's
not
a
side
project
and
it's
something
that
when
we
all
came
onto
this
commission,
we
make
it
really
clear
that
this
is
what
we
need
to
hammer
in
on
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
otherwise
coordination
with
the
planet
commissions.
It's
really
important
for
us
to
hear
from
stock,
and
so
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
absolutely
pleasure
here.
F
B
A
All
right:
okay,
let's
move
on,
we
only
have
a
couple
more
things.
Next
up
for
staff
agenda,
Marco
and
I
talked
earlier
today.
A
I
just
want
to
remind
so
we
have
Melissa
we'll
actually
have
three
people
on
the
Planning
Commission
or
on
the
parts
of
our
commission
who
will
be
leaving
the
bill
Thomas
award,
specifically
that's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
so
Melissa,
Nelson
and
Alex
are
going
to
be
our
Representatives
doing
the
adjudication
from
our
commission
side,
but
Mark
was
going
to
give
a
little
overview
of
the
timelines
and
everything
for
the
coordination
of
the
full
committee.
B
So
we
have
some
really
good
news:
we've
been
making
a
lot
of
civil
rights
internally
within
our
comms
team,
to
figure
out
exactly
what
we're
going
to
do
in
order
to
celebrate
the
recipients
of
the
bill,
Thomas
award
and
not
just
for
2022,
so
we're
also
thinking
about
2020
and
2021..
B
So
in
terms
of
the
review
of
the
2022
awardee
as
Trudy
had
mentioned,
we
have
Alex,
we
have
Nelson
and
we
have
Melissa
that
will
be
working
through
that,
but
also
we
will
have
two
additional
members
of
that
committee
right
now.
Our
comps
team
staff
person
working
through
that
shalika
is
identifying
who
those
people
may
be.
One
person
will
be
from
staff,
we're
thinking
at
this
point,
someone
from
our
parks
and
Natural
Resources
Division.
B
The
reason
why,
being
the
last
two
years
or
so
I
believe
the
staff
representative
was
from
our
Park
Development
Division,
so
just
try
trying
to
mix
it
up
in
terms
of
the
various
divisions
within
DPR
to
see
you
know
various
perspectives
and
figuring
out
who
may
be
the
best
candidate
for
that,
so
we're
moving
forward
with
trying
to
find
out
who
the
best
candidate
would
be
within
that
particular
division,
as
well
as
someone
from
the
community
which
our
initial
thoughts
were
a
previous
recipient
of
the
award,
maybe
a
reviewer
within
the
committee.
B
Be
cool
yeah
yeah
so
that
this
may
be
so
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
thinking
about
right
now,
I
believe
that
person
that's
working
on
this
right
now
is
on
vacation,
but
once
she
does
come
back,
we'll
have
a
larger
update.
That
I
can
share
with
the
with
the
group,
and
especially
with
Melissa,
with
Nelson
and
with
Alex
prior
to
the
end
of
this
month
and
then
through
the
month
of
August
sure.
A
Just
comment
on
the
staff
involvement:
we
are
treating
the
bill
Thomas
award
as
like.
If
this
is
the
Hallmark
thing
that
we
do
as
our
commission
and
so
the
representatives,
we
try
to
pick
people
who
are
new
and
who
also
are
excited
about
it,
because
it's
like
a
fun
thing
to
have
to
adjudicate
and
then
plan
right.
Is
there
anybody
for
us
to
make
the
recommendation
that
the
staff
person
is
picked?
Similarly,
I,
don't
know
like
a
fun,
not
that
they
are
fun
like
this
is
the
fun
thing
for
them.
B
Actually,
there
is
someone
in
mind
who
I
believe
who
we
believe
may
be
very
interested
in
this
award.
So
we're
already
thinking
about
that.
I
can't
say
publicly
at
this
point,
but.
A
B
Know
that
we
have
someone
on
staff
that
has
talked
about
okay,
just
their
interest
in
participating.
B
B
Be
nice,
okay,
so
again
just
to
go
back
so
we'll
be.
The
plan
is
to
move
forward
in
August
into
September,
with
the
Review
Committee,
providing
a
recommendation
for
the
reward
for
the
awardee
and
then
hopefully
by
the
September,
slash
October,
PRC
meeting.
We
will
have
someone
identified
and
then
we're
also
thinking.
Another
person
within
our
comps
team
is
working
with
the
County
Board
office
to
schedule
a
an
in-person
reception,
but
also
ceremony
within
the
County
board,
meeting
sometime
in
October
or
November
of
this
year.
B
So
it's
all
coming
to
a
head
and
within
the
next
several
months,
we're
thinking
potentially
having
the
reception
within
the
311
space.
That's
right
across
from
the
boardroom,
maybe
some
some
place
outside
of
weather
permits
as
well.
That
may
be
an
option
as
well,
but
we're
thinking
through
the
various
options
in
terms
of
what
may
be
considered
for
that
reception
and
again,
it
would
just
not
be
to
celebrate
the
2022
awardee.
It
would
be
to
celebrate
2020
2021
friends,
family
loved
ones,
whomever
it
may
be.
B
So
once
we
have
more
information
from
arcom's
team.
I
will
certainly
relay
that
to
the
committee,
but
also
to
the
larger
PRC
group.
I
may
even
have
a
small
update
to
share
during
our
actually
I'll
get
into
this
too
during
our
walkthrough
of
Alcova
heights
park
next
Monday.
So
our
field
trip
again
is
in
August
August
15th
we'll
be
meeting
at
6
p.m.
At
the
intersection,
I
believe
it's
of
8th
Street,
South
and
George
Mason
Drive,
where
the
entrance
to
the
park.
A
Is
so
just
before
we
leave
Bill
Thomas?
Yes,
so
the
important
dates
for
you,
three
adjudication
August
to
September,
with
a
decision
made
that
we
will
vote
on
by
the
September
PRC
meeting.
So
the
way
it
kind
of
works.
Melissa
can
talk
you
guys
through
it,
but
the
way
it
kind
of
works
is
we'll
jump.
You
guys
jump
on
a
call,
you'll
you'll
review.
The
applications.
Do
your
own
scoring.
A
We
have
like
a
nice
little
score,
shoot
that
I
made
a
couple
of
maybe
like
six
years
ago
now
and
then
you'll
meet
on
a
call
discuss,
make
sure
we
all
agree
with
the
staff
person
and
the
Community
member
as
well,
and
then
you'll
make
that
formal
recommendation
and
as
a
letter
and
then
we'll
talk
about
it
at
the
the
September
PRC
meeting
vote.
It's
a
voting
thing
which
we
will
take
your
recommendation,
so
we
will
vote
Yes
for
it.
And
then
we
write
a
letter
to
the
board
on
that
recommendation.
A
A
E
A
B
Well,
311
will
be
big
enough
for
sure.
That's
that's
a
pretty
big
conference
room
that
we
could
use
for
the
reception.
A
B
A
A
And
I'll
I
would
also
just
ask
that
like
during
that
time,
Melissa
will
like
give
actually
a
handshake
nice
like
to
the
and
a
small
little
speech
to
the
purchase,
the
awardee
that
we
end
up
awarding
for
2020
too.
So
that
would
be
nice
too.
So
yeah,
that's
just
outlook
for
Bill
Thomas
award
this
top
of
the
year.
B
So
yes,
so
that
is
the
Bill
Thomas
award
I
can
even
get
into
the
August
meeting.
A
Yeah,
let's
do
it
so
big
thing:
there
guys
we're
meeting
at
6
p.m,
instead
of
7
p.m,
and
it'll
only
be
about
an
hour.
So
if
you
remember
from
last
year
we'll
end
around
7,
7
30
or
something
like
that,
so
we
can
get
maximized
daylight
hours.
Potentially,
if
you
guys
are
down,
we
can
like
grab
a
drink
or
a
meal
afterwards,
like
we
did
last
time,
hang
out
for
a
second
since
we'll
be
close
by
to
bars
and
restaurants.
Anyway,.
B
And
in
terms
of
logistical
things
and
participants,
so
it's
not
just
the
PRC.
We've
also
invited
Takis
as
well,
and.
B
There
as
well
as
Jane
as
well
as
members
of
the
energetic,
so
we
will
we'll
have
all
of
those
folks
join
us
and
hopefully
it'll,
be
a
weather
fitting.
A
really
great.
A
Invited
Peter
so
like
this
is
another
morning
merrier
event
next
mission
and
the
only
agenda
item
is
going
to
be
voting
on
the
minutes.
B
Approving
them
voting
on
the
minutes,
we'll
also
have
that
as
well.
But
then,
after
that,
it'll
be
the
the
one.
A
Yeah
so
6
p.m,
not
7
P.M!
That's
right!
We
put
the
coordinates
of
where
we're
going
to
meet
at
the
park
itself,
which
I
think
we'll
be
fine.
G
A
Just
want
to
mention
on
other
businesses
real
quick,
so
we
are
going
to
write
an
R
of
a
letter.
That's
the
only
letter
coming
up,
it'll
be
short
and
sweet.
Basically,
just
saying
we're.
Looking
forward
to
the
master
planning
process,
Adam
will
send
that
out.
I'd
say
just
go
ahead
and
send
that
full
commission
we'll
get
edits
on
it.
I'll
put
it
on
the
letterhead
and
send
that
out
pretty
quickly
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
word
sniffing
at
all
right,
yeah
right.
A
So
if
you
want
to
send
people
commission
and
then
I
can
put
the
final
in
the
PDF
thing.
That
should
be
good
and
that's
the
only
letter
we
we
really
pumped
it
out
last
one
yeah.
So
we
have
that
capacity
now,
which
I
feel
good
about,
but
I'm
grateful
for
them.
I
know
I'm
grateful
for
the
break
for
the
next
two
months.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
help
and
review
ing,
really
appreciate
it.
I
have
no
other
items
on
our.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
all
for
joining
us,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
Ender
recording
and
we'll
see
you
all
at
Alcova,
Park
on
August
15th,
good.