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A
C
Sure
hi
I'm
Pam
van
Hein
I
am
the
recording
secretary
for
the
pack,
and
our
chair
is
not
here.
Can
you
can
hear
me?
Okay,
our
chair,
lizy
Gallagher
is
not
here
today
because
there
is
covet
in
her
family
and
we
miss
her
dearly.
I
will
be
taking
over
until
Eric
Goodman.
Our
vice
chair
shows
up,
which
is
imminent
and
welcome.
Everybody
we're
very
happy
to
be
co-hosting
a
backpack
meeting.
I
love
the
backpack
meetings,
so
go
ahead.
Cynthia.
B
Hi
I'm
Cynthia,
Palmer
I
love
the
backpack
meetings
as
well.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
coming
I
think
we'll
start
with
introductions,
we'll
just
go
down
the
list
and
everybody
can
say
their
name
and
where
they're
from
whether
they're
representing
biking
or
walking
and
then,
if
there's
something
else
you'd
like
to
add
now,
would
be
a
great
time
for
a
quick,
a
quick
hello
or
a
quick
message.
C
B
D
F
F
C
H
B
J
K
L
O
P
B
S
Yeah
hi
Randy
I'm
I'm,
a
as
a
founder
of
the
pack.
Actually
I
was
frustrated
as
a
planning
commissioner
for
many
years
by
having
site
planning
cycling
go
by
without
getting
proper
pedestrian
decisions
made.
So
so
anyway,
I've
been
around
since
the
beginning,
and
still
here
and
I,
live
in
Cherrydale
and
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
as
a
steward
on
the
Cherrydale
County
Park.
T
Hello,
my
name
is
Natasha
Pinole
I
am.
This
is
my
very
first
meeting
with
pack
I
am
a
former
neighborhood
conservation
representative
with
ARCA
Arlington,
Ridge
and
I
live
in
Arlington
Ridge
Forest
Hills
I
am
on
the
Forest
Hills
landscape
and
grounds
committee,
and
there
are
three
issues
that
we
like
to
discuss
if
possible,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
invitation.
E
C
B
H
A
B
I
Are
we
still
there
so
we've
looked
at
it
in
a
piecemeal,
piecemeal
form,
a
number
and,
and
basically
the
county
staff
has
said.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
people.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
time,
it's
really
hard
to
manage,
and
this
is
what
we
get
and
Leah
a
few
years
ago.
They
report
a
problem
issue
where
she
posted
a
report
of
problem
feature
where
you
could
record
these
these
mot
problems.
I
The
problem
was,
there
was
no
res.
There
was
no
real
evidence
of
resolution.
So,
given
that
is
the
background,
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
real.
We
have
a
lot
of
projects
and
many
projects
which
are
but
other
projects,
and
we
need
to
look
at
the
process
a
lot
more
holistically,
so
I
sent
out
a
document
yesterday
with
my
thoughts
exclusively
mine
and
I'm
I'm
eager
to
get
your
input
and
we
would.
I
We
would
tweak
this
document
and
then
send
it
to
the
county
with
the
intent
of
of
getting
a
discussion
going
as
opposed
to
you
know
we're
we're
concerned
about
the
use
of
traffic
cones
or
we're
concerned
about
some
little
trivial
aspect.
We
want
to
look
at
this
more
holistically
and
and
then
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
integrate
the
things
and
then
we
can
review
it
again
before
we
send
it
to
the
county
either
BAC,
Pac
or
jointly.
I
I
I
B
I
B
R
K
All
right,
Dana,
yeah
I,
have
not
had
a
chance
to
see
what
you
wrote
so
and
I.
So
I
really
don't
know
what
your
specific
issues
are,
but
this
has
been
an
issue
for
a
long
time
in
the
pack
as
well.
One
of
the
things
is
just
getting
in
touch
with
people,
one
of
the
big
issues
that
we've
been
trying
to
work
out.
We
thought
it
would
be.
K
A
very
simple
thing
was
just
to
have
a
means
for
somebody
who
sees
that
there's
an
there's,
an
issue
with
the
the
maintenance
of
Transportation
or
the
to
be
able
to
call
somebody
and
at
least
contact
somebody
there's
a
lot
of
times
you
walk
by
a
construction
site.
There's
there's
no
way
to
contact
anybody
to
find
out.
R
Let
me
say
that
I
have
never
seen
anything
that
comprehensive
on
mots
before
it
is
it
just
blew
me
away.
I,
don't
know
how
in
the
world
Dana
had
found
the
time
to
think
of
all
those
things,
much
less
put
them
all
down.
He
does
address
everything
that
you've
raised.
Eric,
including
how
should
people
be
able
to
contact
very
quickly
the
the
people
who
should
be
out
there,
policing
the
mot
anyway,
I
think
everybody
needs
to
read
it.
It
won't
help
at
all.
R
I
B
B
All
right,
so
why
don't
we
move
on
in
the
agenda
and
our
next
topic?
Oh,
is
the
big
one,
so
we're
gonna
talk
about
signals
policy
as
it
affects
bicycle
riding
and
walking
in
Arlington,
and
our
guest
speaker
is
Josh
Nicholas
traffic
engineering
manager,
transportation,
engineering
and
operations
and
I
believe
he
told
us.
He
also
has
another
title
for
now
and
I
guess:
I'll
start
this.
B
This
part
of
the
meeting
with
a
big
thank
you
to
Joshua
and
his
team
for
fixing
these
signals
at
16th,
Street
and
George
Mason
right
by
the
hospital
that
is
a
location
I
ride
through
regularly
and
in
recent
weeks.
I
have
been
grinning
my
way
through
it,
because
I
can
see
that
the
signal
detects
me
and
and
I'm
just
so
thrilled
to
have
to
be
detected
at
that
location.
Now,
so
why
don't?
We
get
started
Joshua
Nicholas
and
we
sent
lots
and
lots
of
materials.
L
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
introduction.
I
appreciate
the
the
you
know
the
shout
out
for
George
Mason
16th,
it's
good
that
we
can
detect.
You
I
took
the
list
of
questions
that
you
all
sent
me
and
rather
than
going
through
kind
of
one
out,
one
at
a
time,
I
think
there's
some
common
themes
that
go
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
keep
looking
over
here
but
I
have
like
three
screens.
L
So
you
guys
you
all
are
over
here
and
in
the
presentations
over
here,
but
I
have
a
couple
slides
to
go
through
and
give
you
a
quick
background
on
what's
going
on
and
how
things
are
operating
in
the
field
and
that
way
we
can
kind
of
have
a
discussion
at
the
end.
If
there's
anything,
I
leave
off
or
forget
to
go
over,
so
is
it
okay?
If
I
take
over
the
screen
and
present.
S
A
L
L
Vision
zero
is
within
this
team
also,
and
the
signals
in
its
portion
of
that
team
does
traffic
signals,
but
also
a
lot
of
the
roadside
beacons
and
we
consider
those
types
of
signaling
devices,
so
rfbs
speed
indicators,
school
school
zone,
flashers,
all
that
stuff
is
under
the
same
umbrella,
so
that's
kind
of
in
the
same
group,
and
then
this
is
just
a
quick
map
showing
where
the
signals
are
and
how
they're
connected
in
the
county.
Right
now,
we
have
just
over
300
signals
county-wide
in
various
States
of
modernization.
L
A
lot
of
all
of
them
are
connected
with
fiber,
which
is
great,
which
means
we
have
a
good
handle
on.
What's
going
on
there,
we
can
communicate
to
the
signal
we
can
bring
back
a
camera
feed,
so
we
can
monitor
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
we
have
a
very
robust
Communications
Network,
which
helps
us
leverage
technology
quickly
and
then
this
slide
is
an
example
of
some
of
those
deployments
of
the
its
devices
and
things
that
we're
running.
L
So
it's
kind
of
a
hard
map
to
read,
but
the
the
little
rectangles
the
blue
rectangles
are
speed
indicators,
the
squares,
the
pink
squares
are
rapid,
flash
beacons
and
the
rest
of
the
stuff
are.
You
know,
they're
different
technologies
that
we
have
at
the
signal,
so
things
like
Bluetooth
data
collection,
which
is
just
telling
us
how
traffic
is,
is
working
on
the
arterials
as
far
as
travel
times
and
consistency,
day-to-day
making
sure
that
there's
no
weird
variation,
because
usually
that
means
something
is
timed
or
incorrect
and
I'm.
L
Sorry
I
can't
read
the
chat
at
the
same
time:
C,
oh
okay,
so
we
have.
We
have
lots
of
things
deployed
throughout
the
field,
so
the
I
think
the
main
theme
of
the
questions
that
I
received
were
really
tying
back
to
the
technology
that
we
use
the
policies
that
we
use
to
operate
those
things
and
then
why
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
that
was
kind
of
a
common
theme
through
all
of
it.
L
L
We
develop
our
pipeline
for
modernizing
the
infrastructure
and
there's
the
basically
four
big
buckets
of
projects
that
things
that
new
signals
get
put
into
when
development
comes
through,
for
example,
if
their
site
plan
is
impacting
an
intersection
or
if
the
development
itself
necessitates
a
new
signal,
it's
usually
included
in
the
developer's
work
for
the
site
plan.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
new
rebuilds
that
way.
Some
recent
examples
would
be
Matt,
Park
and
Crystal
City
or
on
the
American
Legion
site
over
near
Clarendon.
L
The
next
bucket
is
more
of
a
capital
program
for
the
transportation
as
a
whole,
so
those
are
the
larger
capital
projects
where
we're
rebuilding
roads
or
changing
things
around,
and
as
part
of
that,
we
would
usually
include
signals
if
it
makes
sense
to
deliver
that,
at
the
same
time
as
the
roadway
improvements
and
then
Teno,
which
is
our
Bureau.
We
lead
our
own
designs
for
things
that
are
really
targeted
for
infrastructure
Replacements.
L
L
So
some
recent
examples
of
that
are
the
hot
Lanes
I-66,
the
defense
access
road
project
down
on
Columbia
Pike
at
the
East
End
of
Columbia
Pike,
for
example,
that
one
will
be
delivering
two
or
three
new
signals,
and
each
of
these
projects
is
is
costing
around
five
to
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
signal
replacement.
So
if
you
picture
an
old
signal
getting
replaced
by
a
new
signal,
that's
probably
on
the
low
end.
L
So
in
Signal
timing
terms,
when
we're
talking
about
how
a
traffic
signal
operates,
we
use
the
term
actuation
to
refer
to
an
action
that
achieves
an
objective
or
a
way
to
place
a
call.
So
if
there's
a
movement
or
a
phase
that
we
call
at
the
intersection
that
is
not
automatically
cycled
to
activate
it,
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
action
taken
so
that
the
brain
of
the
intersection
knows
to
service
that
phase.
L
So
that
would
be
a
call,
so
you
can
either
have
a
passive
actuation,
which
is
the
person
doesn't
have
to
do
anything
so
like.
If
you
picture
cars,
when
you
drive
up
to
an
intersection,
you
don't
have
to
honk
your
horn
for
it
to
change.
So
that's
passive
detection,
because
the
signal
knows
you're
there
and
it
calls
your
phase.
It
IT
services,
your
your
movement
and
it
it'll
come
up
without
you
doing
anything.
Active
would
be
pushing
a
push
button.
So
that's
a
good
example.
L
L
Typically,
we
do
that
with
cameras
mounted
overhead
or
through
Loops
embedded
in
the
pavement
and
those
are
both
passive,
so
the
vehicles
don't
have
to
do
anything
and
for
bicycles,
it's
a
little
trickier,
because
we,
the
bicycle,
can
approach
the
intersection
on
the
roadway
in
Lane
off
the
roadway
in
a
bike
lane
or
off
the
roadway
in
a
Shorty's
path
or
in
a
crosswalk
as
a
pedestrian.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways:
a
bicycle
can
approach
the
intersection,
so
it
depends
how
they
approach
the
intersection.
L
But
if
they're
in
the
lane,
you
can
detect
them
with
cameras
if
they're
off
street
it's
more
of
an
active
approach
with
push
buttons,
for
example
like
a
shared
use.
Actually
it's
a
bad
example,
because
all
of
our
shared
use
paths
will
be
are
in
recall,
so
there
shouldn't
be
any
shared
use
path
off
of
recall.
So,
if
you're
on
a
bike
on
a
path
or
a
trail,
you
shouldn't
have
to
push
them.
L
I
know
I'm
going
really
fast,
but
just
for
reference
on,
let's
say
a
main
road
like
Glebe,
for
example,
and
a
more
minor
Street
like
16th
or
or
let's
use
George
Mason
on
16th,
so
George
Mason
would
be
the
main
line
and
16th
is
the
side
street.
Usually
all
of
the
phases
associated
with
the
main
line
will
automatically
cycle
so
it'll
rest
in
the
main
line.
Until
there's
a
call
on
the
side
street
and
the
side
street
call
can
come
from
vehicle.
L
Pedestrian,
whatever
whatever
it
does
that
triggers
the
cycle
of
the
light,
so
that's
kind
of
a
brief
primer
on
how
how
the
signal
processes
those
calls,
whether
it's
through
detection
or
not,
and
here's
an
example.
This
is
a
screenshot
from
one
of
our
newer
video
detection,
cameras
above
the
roadway
and
just
pointing
out
on
here.
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
mouse,
but
this
green
rectangle
is
a
zone,
so
we
draw
the
zones
in
lane
and
it
has
a
little
symbol
in
the
front
of
the
bike.
L
So
if
there's
a
bike
in
here,
it'll
light
up-
and
we
know
it's
a
bike-
if
it's
a
vehicle,
it'll
turn
green.
So
you
can
see
over
here
there's
a
Zone
and
there's
a
purple
bicycle
or
a
pink
bicycle.
So
it
knows
there's
a
bike
here
waiting,
so
there's
really
no
need
for
the
bikes
to
do
anything.
They're
detected
if
there
was
a
pedestrian
coming
and
they
wanted
to
push
the
button
they
would
be.
L
You
know
we're
testing
out
this
intersection,
but
they
would
push
the
button
and
then
they
could
go
so
the
difference
in
the
camera,
capabilities
versus
pedestrians
and
bicycles,
and
things
like
that
in
the
roadway.
It's
kind
of
important
to
understand,
because
this
technology
is
a
relatively
recent.
So
a
lot
of
the
intersections,
not
a
lot
I
would
say
you
know
more
of
the
newer
recently
built
intersections
in
the
last
10
to
15
years.
L
10
years,
probably
yeah
in
the
last
10
years
do
include
cameras.
So
it
is
a
large
number.
It's
just
not
all
of
them,
and
you
know
the
guidance
on
the
active
pedestrian
push
buttons
the
placement,
the
operations,
how
far
they
are
from
the
road,
how
much
space
you
need
around
them.
What
the
height
is,
how
long
they
have
to
function.
What
type
of
functionality
is
built
into
the
technology?
It's
all
very
much
laid
out
in
both
proag
and
the
mutcd.
L
There's
not
a
lot
left
up
to
the
imagination
on
the
push
buttons
as
far
as
where
they
need
to
go
and
how
they
need
to
operate.
So
we
comply
with
these
as
best
we
can,
especially
in
new
new
construction.
It's
our
job
to
make
sure
that
designs
comply
with
this
and
that
the
placement
of
these
devices
is
per
these
guidelines.
So,
if
you
see
here,
this
is
actually
a
diagram
from
Pro
AG,
the
newer
update
and
in
the
m
and
the
P.
L
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
physical
changes
to
the
layout
that
are
different,
it's
pretty
similar
and
for
push
buttons.
You
know,
I
highlighted
sort
of
the
newer
capability
of
the
the
video
detection
systems
on
the
newer
push
buttons.
They
are
improving
technology
on
these,
some
of
the
newer
ones
you
wave
at
them.
L
L
L
L
The
technology
is
constantly
changing.
So
you
know
some
of
these
newer
push
buttons
have
things
like
where
you
can
wave
at
them.
You
don't
need
to
touch
them.
You
know
that
came
as
a
result,
probably
of
covid,
or
they
were
working
on
that
before
Covenant
just
became
a
little
bit
more
Pro,
you
know
spread
out
after
covid,
and
some
of
these
also
have
support
for
Bluetooth
applications
where
people
with
visual
disabilities,
they
can
sort
of
use
their
phone
to
navigate
using
the
Bluetooth
on
the
push
button
itself.
L
So
it'll
talk
back
to
their
application
that
they're
running
on
their
phone,
so
these
are
kind
of
newer
applications
that
are
rolling
out
slowly,
as
as
the
technology
improves
and
as
things
get
better
with
with
push
buttons.
So
the
the
reason
I'm
kind
of
harping
on
that
is
that
a
lot
of
these
capabilities
are
tied
to
things
that
require
some
some
retrofit,
the
vision,
zero
program
and
how
it
relates
to
Signal
timings
and
operations.
I
would
say
you
know
we
are
fully
integrated
with
the
goals
and
operations
of
the
vision,
zero
team.
L
So
a
lot
of
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
are
implemented
by
our
team.
We
provide
feedback,
we're
involved
in
the
critical
crash
evaluations,
the
hotspot
studies.
You
know
different
things,
our
teams
involved
and
pretty
much
all
the
evaluations
they
do,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
really
try
to
take
a
systematic
approach
to
implementing
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
specifically
address
safety
issues
as
counter
measures,
and
then
I
saw
a
lot
of
questions
on
the
list
dealing
with
lpis,
so
lpis
there
are
about
80
intersections
with
lpis
in
the
county.
L
O
B
L
We
go
yeah,
so
this
is
sort
of
Rosalind
Ballston
and
then
down
here
is
Columbia
Pike
and
then
there's
some.
You
know
schools
and
various
locations
over
here
where
there
were
either
Trail
Crossings
or
heavy
conflicts
with
turns
things
like
that
specific
spot
studies
that
were
done
so
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
layout
of
what's
going
on
there
so
with
lpis.
There
are
some
challenges
to
implementing
these
and
generally,
you
know
generally
we're
talking
about
a
three
to
five.
L
L
But
usually
you
don't
want
to
give
too
much
of
an
LPI
so
that
it
leads
to
violations
and
things
like
that
or
just
unexpected
movements,
so
that
head
starts
enough
time
for
pedestrian
to
react,
get
out
in
front
of
the
vehicles
as
far
as
like
getting
in
their
line
of
sight
going
out
one
lane,
and
then
you
bring
up
the
rest
of
the
phase.
So
that's
kind
of
the
strategy
we're
using
there
are
places
where
we
will
Implement
a
longer
LPI.
You
know,
Route
29,
Westbound
and
Lynn,
for
example,
is
a
good
one.
L
Sometimes
it's
just
not
feasible
with
the
existing
poll
layout
to
get
those
in
in
a
place,
that's
going
to
make
sense
for
the
users,
so
you
know
some
of
the
older
intersections
where,
for
example,
there's
a
span
wire
pole
and
it's
sitting
behind
a
bush,
you
know,
or
whatever
it
wouldn't
really
make
sense,
to
put
a
push
button
on
that
and
to
put
new
poles
and
things
like
that.
It's
usually
the
scope
creeps
up
to
a
bigger,
for
example,
signal
replacement
project.
L
L
Okay,
so
then
you
know
for
Jeopardy
fans,
we
have
the
signal
potpourri.
These
are
the
random
questions
from
David.
That
was
that
were
sent
to
me
that
I
have
answers
for
on
hand
and
if
I
forget
any,
please
we
can
do
it
in
the
Q,
a
so
Columbia
Pike
and
Four
Mile
Run.
Yes,
it
should
be
in
recall
all
Trail
Crossings
should
be
in
recall.
You
shouldn't
have
to
push
the
button.
L
We
did
check.
I
had
them
check
it
before
this
meeting
and
there
was
a
database
rollback
that
shouldn't
have
happened.
So
we've
undone
the
rollback
so
we've
rolled
forward
and
made
sure
that
there
are
special
notes
in
the
system.
So
nobody
accidentally
does
that
again.
So
that
should
be
the
case.
So
if
you
see
a
trail
Crossing
and
it's
not
in
recall-
and
you
feel
like
you
have
to
push
the
button,
you
know
you
can
go
ahead
and
submit
a
public
stuff
request
or
a
report,
a
problem
and
sorry.
L
So
there
is
a
mandatory
buffer
between
the
end
of
one
phase
and
the
start
of
a
ped
phase.
So
we
can't
really
activate
the
sign
because,
on
the
hardware
side
in
the
signal
it
crosses
a
barrier,
that's
put
in
to
prevent
the
signal
from
accidentally
servicing
conflicting
phases.
So
it's
a
it's
really
a
a
phasing
issue.
You
can't
really
have
something
go
across
one
phase
and
another.
That's
going
to
conflict
it'll
cause
a
a
problem
with
the
Fail-Safe
of
the
hardware.
So
that's
why
it
can't
come
a
little
bit
early.
I
think
I.
L
L
Now
we
did
also
look
at
no
turn
on
red
I
believe
we
installed
some
of
those
I
think
for
southbound
and
for
eastbound,
and
then
during
that,
the
the
entire
Capital
project
for
the
that
area
there
was
a
pedestrian
bridge
being
built
there
and
and
I
know
that
you
know
I
wasn't
leading
that
project,
but
I
do
know.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
at
the
time
about
the
rrfb.
Should
it
stay
there?
Should
it
move?
Should
it
be
replaced
with
something?
Should
it
shift
up?
L
Should
it
just
be
moved,
removed
completely,
and
then
people
use
the
signal,
but
ultimately
I
think
back
and
forth.
They
decided
to
keep
the
RFB
because
the
location
was
pretty
valuable,
where
it
was
as
far
as
being
right
at
the
trail
end
on
the
Alexandria
side,
and
so
there
it
remains
and
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
recent
changes
to
the
legislation
as
far
as
the
Stop
and
yield
to
pedestrians
should
help
with
that.
L
Hopefully,
to
make
it
more
of
a
strict
compliance
issue
there,
but
I
I
understand
there
are
a
lot
of
challenges
with
that
RFP,
especially
with
the
traffic
queuing
from
the
interstate,
and
that
kind
of
thing
oh
and
I'll
save
this
one.
If
we
have
time
but
now,
I'm
not
going
to
answer
the
specific
question
about
18th
and
Route
One
I
think
the
question
was
we
need
one.
We
need
a
barn
stance
there.
L
You
know,
that's
not
that's
not
my
place
to
say
yes
or
no,
but
I
think
the
the
general
discussion
of
the
barns
dance
and
how
it
operates
and
how
it
would
operate
on
Route
One
is
very
important
and
I
think
that
VDOT
will
be
focusing
on
that
in
in
the
upcoming
design
cycles
and
public
Outreach.
But
if
we
have
time
I'd
like
to
talk
through
it
with
you
all,
because
I
know
that
this
is
something
that's
important
and
it's
also
a
little
nuanced
in
how
how
we
frame
it.
L
B
L
Sure
I
can
I
can
go
through
sort
of
the
general
operations
and
and
how
there
are
certain
things
to
consider
in
both
the
barnstance
and
something
like
you
know
like
a
longer
LPI
for
all
the
approaches
like
if
you
did
a
10
second
LPI,
or
something
like
that.
So
in
a
barn
stance
in
general,
all
of
the
crosswalks
and
diagonal
Crossings
will
come
up
at
the
same
time.
L
So
that
does
provide
a
very
good
connection,
for
you
know,
people
that
are
trying
to
make
multiple
Crossings,
but
sometimes
it
does
limit
which
crosswalks
you
can
bring
up
with
the
corresponding
vehicle
traffic
and
it
depends
on
the
location
and
what
the
goals
are
for
the
for
the
vehicle
movements
so,
which
turns
are
restricted.
That
kind
of
thing
that
does
provide
you,
some
flexibility
and
then
the
the
other
thing.
The
other
option
is
called
you
know.
L
The
barn
stance
is
more
implying
that
you
can
cross
diagonally,
there's
also
an
exclusive
pad
phase,
which
would
mean
all
the
crosswalks
are
up,
but
the
diagonals
don't
go
and
the
benefits
to
that
are
just
that.
You
might
not
have
to
time
as
much
of
the
cycle
for
this
longer
pedestrian
path
and
you
might
be
able
to
shorten
the
overall
cycle
length
so
that
the
time
between
The
Pedestrian
things
getting
served
is
dropped
so
that
you
know
the
delay
is
less
sometimes.
L
You
know
to
mitigate
the
rights
and
then
you
can
bring
the
crosswalks
up
more
often,
so
you
know
I
think
that
the
and
then
there
are
other
concerns
you
know
from
an
ada
perspective
if
the
intersection
is
protected,
so,
for
example,
15th
and
Eads,
for
example,
you
know
that
one
is
a
protected
intersection
and
how
do
you
accommodate
Ada,
like
for
the
diagonal
Crossings,
and
how
do
you
signalize
that?
And
how
do
you
convey
that
message
to
people
that
might
depend
on
some
of
the
aps
features
and
things
like
that?
L
C
Q
L
And
they're
still
in
process
of
working
everything
out,
but
generally
you
know
rule
of
thumb
on
Route
One.
Those
cycle
lengths
right
now
today
get
up
to
as
high
as
I
think
one
145.
So
almost
more
than
two
minutes
for
the
cycle
length
and
in
the
peak
peak
hours
and
the
phasing
at
18th
Street
will
be
in
in
that
design
are,
is
pretty
straightforward
in
or
you
know
you
can
kind
of
infer
from
there
what
the
split
would
be.
But
you
know
you
don't
have
any
turning
movements.
L
C
C
L
Yeah
right
so
I'm
I'm
reading
through
I
and
again
yeah
the
capital
project
does
I
I'm,
not
as
familiar
with
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
various
capital
projects.
I
think
there's
several
at
that
location,
maybe
two
two
or
three
active
projects,
so
there's
one
where
the
pedestrian
bridge
is
being
placed
and
then
there's
another
where
they're
modifying
the
intersection
and
the
crosswalks
there.
So
I
I
think
the
your
best
bet
for
information
on
that
is
through
the
Capital
program.
L
B
Sure,
thank
you.
We
would
like
them
to
fix
the
signaling
and
they
are
focusing
on
the
bridge
that
does
not
cross
over
Shirlington
Road
I
mean
it's
a
giant
Capital
project,
but
it
doesn't
address
these
issues
and
they're
also
focusing
on
the
sidewalks,
but
again
it's
the
crossing
that
is
so
dangerous.
B
L
B
But
they
will
still
have
the
two
lanes
on
each
side
and
the
same
signaling
and
the
cars
rushing
to
get
a
through
their
green
lights
or
whatever
they're
rushing
for
so
there
have
been
many
many
close
calls,
and
it's
just
with
that
massive
beautiful
new
playground.
It
just
it
seems
like
an
trouble
waiting
to
happen.
U
I
have
no
pedestrian
signal
and
I
am
I
am
shocked
that
this
is
allowed
to
happen
and
that
there
haven't
been
more
issues
here.
But
it's
the
the
truck
was
coming
out
of
the
gas
station
that
is
directly
across
from
the
end
of
Four,
Mile,
Run
Drive
and
there's
no
ped
signal,
and
this
isn't
the
first
time
I've
seen
this
in
Arlington.
But
this
is
the
most
dangerous
place.
I've
ever
seen.
V
W
U
Okay,
I
would
just
not
be,
but
I
would
hope
that
this
would
be
a
priority
of
the
county
to
put
them
back
or
put
signs
up,
because
I
mean
literally,
if,
if
I
had
been
30
seconds
later
no
10
seconds
later,
I
would
not
be
here
right
now
and
no
one
would
be
at
fault.
The
county
would
have
100
been
at
fault
for
designing
an
intersection
for
allowing
an
intersection
like
that
to
be.
L
G
L
Yeah
there's
there's
some
research
into
that,
like
nacto,
for
example,
has
some
guidance
on
on
that,
but
I
don't
know
it's
that's
a
difficult
question
to
answer
because
it
depends
on
you
know
the
roadway
and
and
the
volume
of
users
and
things
like
that,
but
you're
right
if
you're
asking
somebody
to
stand
on
one
place
for
you
know,
hold
on
up
over
a
minute
and
then
not
move
until
it
comes
up.
If
they're
not
trying
to
go
diagonally,
you
know
you
might
see.
You
might
see
that.
K
E
B
So
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
our
meeting
was
that
there
are
a
number
of
intersections
that
do
not
detect
bikes
and
we
don't
know
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
detect
us,
and
so
we
don't
know
whether
we
need
to
drag
our
bicycle
up
onto
the
sidewalk
and
go
push
the
button.
There
was
a
question
raised,
could
we
you
know,
could
we
have
some
sort
of
labels
or
some
sort
of
like?
B
L
L
L
So
if
you
see
like
a
rectangular
kind
of
oblong
looking
camera
on
top
of
the
Mast
arm,
it
should
be
detecting
you,
that's
one
hint,
the
others
are
the
automatic
recall
locations
if
you're
in
a
CBD
like
a
central
basic
business
business
area,
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic.
Those
signals
are
usually
in
recall
also
so
Roslyn
Boston
major
parts
of
Crystal
City
Trail
crossings
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
would
say
you
know
if
there's
a
specific
location
that
that
you
think
really
should
be
in
recall.
L
You
know
there's
a
trail
and
you
have
to
disbound
and
go
you
know
to
push
a
button,
that's
behind
another
curve
or
whatever
you
can
feel
free
to
send
those
into
us
and
we
can
look
at
them
and
provide
feedback,
but
as
far
as
putting
a
sign
up
on
the
arm
saying
whether
you
need
to
push
the
button
or
not,
there's
nothing
really
in
the
mutcd
or
anything
else.
That
kind
of
addresses
that
issue
there's
no
there,
some
sensors
Dana
to
your
point.
L
Some
sensors
will,
for
example,
the
again
it's
so
situational.
You
know
the
sensors
at,
for
example,
Walter,
Reed
and
Arlington
Mill
that
activate
the
little
Edge
lit
signs
that
go
up.
They
have
a
tiny
little
red
light
on
the
back
side.
That'll
turn
on
to
let
the
person
know
that
it's
on,
but
unless
you
knew
to
look
there,
you
know
you're
not
going
to
notice
it.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
things
they
don't
beep.
L
U
So
on
that
issue,
I
I
think
the
light
or
a
notification
is
a
nice
to
have.
What
a
need
to
have,
however,
is
for
those
lights
that
don't
detect
bites.
Many
of
us
can't
not.
There
is
no
way
to
trip
the
button
short
of
getting
off
of
our
bikes,
which
isn't
safe,
especially
because
a
lot
of
times
kids
are
on
the
bikes.
So
you
know
those
places
where,
in
the
county
that
are
on
marked
bike
routes,
I
I
don't
understand
how
the
county
justifies
having
something
that
is
a
marked
bike
route.
G
L
No
I,
don't
think
that's
I
I,
don't
think
that's
that's
where
we're
going
with
it.
You
know
it's
it's
more
of.
You
know
it's
hard
to
apply
a
blanket
policy
to
the
whole
County.
If
there
are
situations
where
you're
you're,
you
know
you're
on
a
Bikeway
or
you
have
a
need
for
a
particularly
difficult
button
to
push
or
or
whatever
the
whatever
the
the
issue
is
on
that
you
know,
if
you
let
us
know,
we
can
look
at
it
and
provide
feedback
that
way
we
can
do
it.
U
L
U
It's
not
safe,
even
when
it's
possible,
because
that
would
take
you
out
of
the
lane,
so
go
hit
the
button,
and
then
you
just
have
to
get
back
in
the
lane
in
front
of
all
those
cars.
If
there
are
cars
which
isn't
predictable,
it's
not
the
recommended
movement.
It's
a
marked
bike
route.
It
is
the
only
marked
by
Groton
eye
area
and
it's
the
route
to
a
school
I've
reported
it
and
reported.
You
know:
I
reported
since
every
six
months
to
a
year,
I
get
the
same
answer
and
the
answer
is
about
drivers.
L
L
U
U
L
Yeah,
no,
we
do
and
we
do
try
to
accommodate
things
like
this.
So
if
you
have
a
specific,
like
you
know,
route
that
you
take
that
you
know,
the
signals
are
not
in
a
good
spot
and
you
don't
think,
there's
a
rebuild
coming
anytime
soon
and
that
kind
of
thing
then
let
us
know-
and
we
can
work
with
you
on
what
works
to
get
through
the
intersection,
especially
especially
in
places
where
we
don't
have
the
detection.
You
know.
U
L
U
But
so
why
so,
you
know
we
don't
build
a
bridge
where
people
swim
across
the
river
right
like
for
one
and
two.
Why
does
it
matter
if
it's
only
me
and
my
kids
versus
20
kids,
it's
okay
for
me
and
my
kids
to
be
in
an
unsafe
situation,
but
it's
not
okay,
if
it
were
20
of
us
like
this,
is
a
safety
issue.
It
shouldn't
you
shouldn't,
be
looking
at
numbers.
L
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I
I
guess
what
we
can
do
is
you
know
for
the
especially
for
the
areas
around
schools
and
things
like
that.
We
already
are
trying
to
work
with
APS,
but
we
can
kind
of
emphasize
the
target
areas
with
them,
especially
on
the
him
and
through
the
hot
spot
analysis,
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know
when
we're
when
we're
doing
our
Corridor
audits
or
things
like
that,
this
stuff
can
come
up.
You
know
it
can
get
funneled
through
the
vision,
zero
cone
of
cone
of
influence
there.
U
You're
still
going
to
have
the
problem
with
the
swimming
across
the
river,
because,
if
no
one
bikes,
because
they
don't
think
it's
safe,
then
you're
not
going
to
see
bike
crashes
and
that's
not
the
goal
anyway,
I'll
I'll,
let
others
talk.
It's
just
very
disappointing
that
you
guys
this
does
seem
like
one
that
lends
itself
very
easily
to
a
blanket
rule.
It
would
save
you
guys
time
it
would
save
us
time
if
it's
a
marked
bike
route
just
make
sure
our
bikes
can
get.
U
X
C
I
may
have
it
up
multiple
times
that
button
I
live
in
the
National
landing
area
and
I
have
two
questions
about
The
Pedestrian
signals,
I
swear
doing
covid,
a
lot
of
them
were
put
on
automatic
recall,
and
some
of
those
are
no
longer
on
automatic.
Recall.
I
also
swear
that
some
of
our
signals
used
to
talk
to
you.
They
would
say
light
is
on
for
crossing
blah,
blah
blah
blah
and
now
either
they
say
nothing
or
they
have
this
kind
of
obnoxious
beep.
C
But
we've
had
a
lot
of
questions
from
people
with
visual
impairments.
What
happened
to
these
signals
that
they're
really
important
to
them
to
know
where
they're
going
and
my
one
of
the
many
signals
that
I
miss
from
automatic
recall
is
at
13th
and
Joyce.
Now
13th
is
actually
kind
of
an
alley
there,
but
it
has
a
fair
amount
of
traffic
it.
It
has
a
ton
of
pedestrians
across
joists
there.
It's
a
really
big
place
to
cost
choice.
Now
there
is
a
light
automatically
for
drivers,
whether
there's
a
driver
or
not.
C
L
Yeah,
so
the
you're
correct
that
the
aps,
the
operation
of
those
may
have
changed
recently
and
that's
because
we
were
bringing-
and
this
is
a
whole
separate.
You
know
a
whole
supper
can
of
worms
that
we
are
trying
to
address
with
the
DAC
and
different
advocacy
groups
on
that
front.
But
technically
in
the
in
the
mutcd
and
proeg.
Both
there
are
shells
not
shoulds
or
or
cans
or
Woods,
that
dictate
the
operation
of
the
push
button.
L
So
we're
trying
to
find
ways
around
that
not
around
that,
but
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
enhance
the
functionality
without
conflicting
with
the
regulations
and
like
I,
said
some
of
the
newer
push
buttons
do,
have
more
functionality
and
things
you
can
do
with
them.
So
we're
trying
to
kind
of
approach
that
subject
with
the
community
at
large,
the
the
people
that
are
regularly
using
these
push
buttons,
and
you
know
they.
They
do
like
to
hear
the
the
various
information
points
at
the
intersection.
L
But
technically
in
the
mutcd,
it
does
say
can't
use
words.
You
have
to
use
the
hammer
tone,
which
is
the
obnoxious
hammering
that
you're
talking
about
and
then
you're
not
allowed
to
do
the
countdown
either.
So,
oh
so
you
you're
supposed
to
use
a
locator
tone
on
the
far
side
and
the
hammer
tones
for
the
walk
per
all
the
guidance
and
the
regulations
in
the
mutcd
and
pro-wag.
L
So
it's
it's
tough
because
we've
we've
been,
you
know
it's
definitely
a
change
in
the
way
the
buttons
function,
but
we're
trying
to
find
some
options
for
people
to
activate
special
functions
on
the
push
button
that
need
it
so
we're
working
on.
It
is
the
long
answer
to
that
one.
The
short
answer:
yeah.
L
So
there
that
only
allows
you
yeah.
Yes,
that
is,
you
can
activate
different
functions
by
holding
it
down,
but
that
again,
you
know
there's
different,
there's
different
views
on
that.
Some
some
people
don't
know
about
that,
and
then
there
are
limits
again
very
explicit
limits
in
the
guidance
about
what
you
can
do
once
you
do
that
special
Activation,
so
it
still
doesn't
allow
for
you
know
the
countdown
it's,
but
you
are
allowed
to
do
sort
of
a
hey
you're
at
this
intersection
waiting
to
cross
this
road.
L
You
know,
give
you
the
information
on
a
location,
so
we're
trying
to
work
on
a
Paul
on
a
set
of
operating
procedures
that
complies,
and
you
will
see
if
you
leave
Arlington
like.
If
you
go
to
Alexandria
Fairfax,
you
know
most
jurisdictions,
they
will
operate
with
a
hammer
tone
and
the
locator.
We
were
kind
of
a
on
our
own
there
for
a
while,
but.
C
L
L
You
know
and
I'm
always
happy
to
talk
through
some
of
the
stuff.
It's
it's
good
coming
back
here.
I
know,
I've
been
I
was
here
a
couple
years
ago,
maybe
three
years
ago,
two
years
ago,
but
you
know
things
change
and
there's
different
things
we
can
help
with
and
you
know,
hearing
it
firsthand
is
a
lot
easier
than
not
easier.
But
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
different
perspective
and
I
do
appreciate.
You
know,
sharing
the
things
that
aren't
working
right.
B
B
Do
we
need
to
have
beg
buttons
in
Arlington?
Not
all
jurisdictions
do.
Was
it
a
total
failure?
I
mean
from
your
perspective.
Was
it
a
question
that
I
mean
that
the
numbers
of
cars
shifted
so
much
or
why?
Why
do
we
have
to
have
them?
Because
it
seems
like
at
least
for
pedestrians
and
bicycle
Riders
and
scooters
they
they
present.
So
many
challenges.
L
Yeah
so
I
mean
there
are
I
I
get
what
you're
saying
I
think
the
you
know
where
there
is
a
push
button.
I
guess
that
is
the
the
tough
part
right.
Where
there
is
a
push
button
might
not
mean
you
have
to
push
it,
but
how
do
you
know
that
right
and
and
how
do
you
navigate
that
landscape
I
think
that
the
way
that
we
really
need
to
move
forward
on
these
is
there's
a
general
expectation
of
where
you
should
and
shouldn't
have
to
push
a
button.
L
As
far
as
you
know,
if
you're,
if,
if
you're
in
a
downtown
area,
where
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrians
and
things
are
happening
all
the
time,
you
would
not
expect
to
push
a
button-
you
wouldn't
walk
through.
You
know
downtown
Manhattan
and
wait
to
push
button.
There's,
like
you,
know,
3
000
people
in
the
corner
with
you.
L
As
long
as
we
have
different
types
of
applications
right
so
and
we
have
places
where
we
might
not
see
traffic
or
pedestrians
all
day,
except
for
a
little
bit,
so
you
know
making
a
blanket
policy
for
the
entire
county
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
difficult
to
do,
and
especially
since
that
also
handcuffs
you
in
what
you
can
do
as
far
as
accommodating
things
like
tsp
or
Transit
signal
priority
giving
float
time
so
that
we
can
move
priorities
around
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
there's
it's
a
it's.
L
It's
tough
because
I
understand,
I,
understand
the
frustration
and
you
know
if
there
was
an
easy
answer.
I
think
we
would
have.
We
would
have
done
it,
but
you
know
we.
We
obviously
take
all
this
back
and
we
look
at
it
and
we're
trying
to
constantly
do
it,
and
you
know
when
I
share
the
map.
If
you
have
suggestions,
let
me
know-
and
we
can
look
on
them.
L
L
Let
me
let
me
go
back
and
you
know
I'll
pretty
up
the
map
and
get
it
so
that
it's
easier
to
read
and
maybe
put
a
list
on
it
because
right
now,
I
think
it
just
has
the
dots
and
if
you
don't
see
the
map
every
day
you
might
not,
you
know
know
exactly
which
intersections
they
are.
So
we
can
go
and
put
a
list
together.
B
L
So
I
will
send
you
the
map.
This
is
see.
This
is
a
good,
a
good,
a
good.
You
know
touch
point,
so
I
can
send
that
to
you
all
and
if
you're
seeing
stuff
different
in
the
field,
it
could
be
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
nobody's
at
least
nobody
from
our
side
is
intentionally
rolling
back
any
of
the
recalls.
So
you
know
if,
if
we
see
something,
that's
not
operating
the
way,
it
should
we'll
put
it
right
back.
L
Yes,
I
can
send
the
map
through
David
and
then,
if
you
all
have,
if
you
all
want
to
just
do
a
comprehensive
list
as
the
bacpac,
you
know-
that's
probably
90-
of
the
requesters
anyway.
So
that
would
help
me
if
you
funneled
it
through
like
a
single
request.
But
if
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
you
can
always
use
the
reporter
problem
portal
and
that
kind
of
thing.
But
if
you
have
a
a
comprehensive
list-
and
you
give
it
to
you
know
David,
would
you
mind
passing
it
through.
A
B
A
And
I'm
going
to
take
the
prerogative
just
say
a
word
here:
the
work
that
Josh
and
his
colleagues
do
is
incredibly
Technical
and
complicated
and
there's
not
perfect
seamless
communication
between
them
on
the
operations
side
and
the
capital
project
side,
the
planning
side.
So
we
all
understand
that
the
people
walking
and
cycling
are
on
the
front
lines
of
what's
an
imperfect
system
and
not
protected
by
5
000
pounds
of
plastic
and
steel
and
glass.
A
So
everybody
gets
that,
and
I
also
want
to
reflect
that
that,
in
my
view,
I've
been
around
for
a
while
in
the
county.
In
my
view,
the
last
few
years
has
really
been
a
sea
change
in
paying
attention
to
issues
like
this:
the
whole
Vision
zero
approach
and
new
leadership
up
and
down
through
Teno
and
the
bureau
that
I
work
in
the
transportation,
planning
and
capital
projects.
A
Bureau
not
perfect,
nobody's
pretending
it's
perfect,
but
we're
pretty
responsive
and
we're
doing
good
stuff,
and
we
we
appreciate
and
value
and
want
people
to
be
cycling
and
be
walking
and
be
rolling
in
wheelchairs
safely
and
getting
where
they
want
to
go
reliably.
And
all
of
that.
So
it's
I
think
most
of
this
conversation
tonight.
A
All
of
this
conversations
has
been
really
helpful
and
productive
and
civil
and
I
just
want
to
say
good
job,
everybody
and,
and
especially
to
Josh,
to
to
come
and
visit
and
put
forth
for
an
hour
a
whole
bunch
of
technical
stuff
that
you
know
Engineers
go
to
school
for
a
long
time.
Learn
to
do
this
stuff,
and
it's
all
changing
I
mean
this
thing,
with
detectors
and
automatic,
sensors
and
cameras.
A
L
L
L
It
it
depends
really
it's
it's
like,
for
example,
putting
it
on
the
signal.
If
you
put
it
up,
overhead
is
a
camera
every
time
they
repave,
you
don't
have
to
replace
it
right,
so
the
old
school.
You
know
the
loops
that
are
traditionally
used
in
detection
every
time
they
pave
you
have
to
replace
them
and
with
the
newer
environmental
regulations
about
the
wash
off
from
the
saw
cut
process,
it
actually
winds
up
costing
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
replace
the
loops
anyway.
L
So
over
time,
no
it
doesn't
cost
more
or
less,
but
it's
still
significant.
It's
it's
kind
of
like
you're
you're,
investing
you're,
investing
up
front
for
a
longer
term
solution.
That's
a
little
bit
more
flexible
too,
with
more
functionality.
So
I'd
say
it's
not
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
of
realistic
on
a
normal
maintenance
of
replacement
of
Loops,
usually
nowadays,
for
example,
if
water
streets
repaves
the
street
and
we
can
put
the
video
detection
up
depending
on
you
know
the
interior
like
if
the
conduit's
in
good
shape
underground.
L
B
C
S
C
Y
Thank
you
for
having
me,
you
got
it
right.
The
second
time
Alana
crennan
I,
am
our
legislative
liaison
at
the
county,
and
I
am
really
looking
forward
to
meeting
with
many
of
our
commissions
this
cycle.
I
guess
you
could
say
for
the
2024
legislative
session.
It
begins
in
January
and
it
is
a
long
session,
meaning
it
goes
eight
weeks
it
will
end
in
March.
Y
Hopefully
there
will
be
a
new
two-year
budget
that
is,
you
know,
presented
by
the
governor
in
late
December
and
so
I
really
enjoy
getting
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
our
commissions,
hear
about
what
your
top
priorities
are.
I
know
that
back
in
pack
like
to
do
theirs
together.
So
if
you
want
to
do
you
know
a
total
of
six
you're
welcome
to
do
that,
we
usually
say
about
three
per
commission.
So
if
you
want
to
come
up
with
your
top
six,
that's
totally
fine
with
me,
and
you
know
this
upcoming
session.
Y
We
don't
know
who's
going
to
be
in
power.
In
the
general
assembly
we
have
the
Senate,
all
40
seats
are
up
and
in
the
house
all
100
seats
are
up
for
election
that
takes
place
in
November
and
it's
going
to
be
really
close
one
way
or
the
other.
We
have
a
significant
amount
of
retirements
taking
place.
So
there's
going
to
be
about
50
new
members
in
the
general
assembly
total,
so
that's
kind
of
what
I
got
I'm
happy
to
you
know.
Y
Do
this
collaboratively
answer
questions
anything
that
you
might
have
if
you
want.
You
know
some
thoughts
on.
You
know
what
priorities
might
be
more
successful
than
others
happy
to
do.
That
too.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
going
to
have
a
vision,
zero
piece
in
our
legislative
package.
We
had
a
piece
last
year
in
it,
basically
just
acknowledging
and
advocating
for
more
Vision
zero
policies
for
traffic
and
pedestrian
and
bike
safety,
and
so
that
will
remain
in
our
package.
X
Y
That's
a
great
question,
so
so
our
timeline
right
now
so
I'm
going
to
work
backwards
right.
So
we
have
the
election
on
November
7th
and
we
are
presenting
the
package
to
the
board
I'm
presenting
the
package
to
the
board
on
November
12th.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room.
Should
the
election
go
one
way
or
the
other
and
then
because
session
starts
in
January
I,
then
we
then
have
to
do
adoption
in
December,
so
we've
chosen
to
at
least
put
the
presentation
and
the
adoption
post
election.
So
we
can
make
any.
Y
You
know
last
minute
changes
as
we
need,
but
unfortunately,
because
of
that
I
need
to
collect
a
lot
of
the
priorities.
Well
ahead
of
the
November
meeting
and
right
now
we
have
the
the
deadline
set
as
I
think
September
29th
that
Friday
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
you
know,
give
another
two
weeks,
but
unfortunately,
I'm
probably
going
to
need
to
know
most
of
the
priorities
ahead
of
the
election.
Y
U
U
U
Way
to
say
that
that
makes
it
more
attractive
to
bike
on
the
street,
so
it's
good
for
people
walking
it's
good
for
people
biking,
it's
a
safety
issue,
so
that
would
be
great
to
have
on
Arlington's
list
another
one
is
biking
side
by
side.
It's
a
personal
priority
of
mine,
because
I
lead
the
bike,
bus
to
Escuela
key.
So
I
have
all
these
kids
biking
together
and-
and
you
know,
when
biking
with
kids,
you
want
to
be
side
by
side,
so
you
can
have
the
adults
on
the
outside.
U
Would
work
oh
and
the
last
one
on
one
of
our
favorite
topics
and
maintenance
of
trans
Transportation
when
there's
construction
and
that
blocks
sidewalks
or
bike
Lanes
or
trails,
and
you
know
somehow
screws
up
Arlington
often
says
that
they
don't
have
the
authority
to
issue
fines
or
to
do
sort
of
interim
steps.
I'm,
not
sure
how
true
that
is.
U
But
this
is
more
of
a
sort
of
homework
of
what
Authority
would
Arlington
need
to
be
better
at
enforcing
mots,
but
when
there's
construction
and
then
the
construction
ends
up
blocking
things,
what
would
they
need
to
be
able
to
find
the
construction
companies
to
to
get
better
Behavior?
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
So
much
awesome.
Y
Y
U
Y
Y
That's
amazing,
okay,
great
so
I
I
definitely
feel
comfortable
that
we
can
put
that
in
I.
Think
the
other
ones
are
going
to
be
like
the
the
the
creativity
of
the.
Can
we
get
more
conservative.
Can
we
get
more
creative
on
you
know
what
happens
with
the
house,
but
I
I
think
we
can.
If
that
is
one
of
the
priorities
that
comes
out
of
backpack
tonight,
then
I
I
think
we
can
probably
get
that
one
in
there.
D
C
Hi,
thank
you,
hi,
and,
and
thank
you
Jillian
for
your
comments
and
my
I
have
two
suggestions.
One
is
that
Cynthia
tell
us
the
five
that
the
back
talked
about
last
month,
which
basically
are
similar
to
what
we
had
last
year
and
my
second
request
and
some
of
those
over
left
with
what
Jillian
was
just
talking
about,
and
my
second
request
is
there
anywhere
on
the
pack?
That
has
any
ideas
that
are
separate
from
those.
Thank
you.
B
Do
you
want
me
to
show
them
I
can
I
can
mention
the
ones
from
last
year?
Okay,
if
that
would
be
helpful
and
I
certainly
hope
we
can
repeat
some
of
them,
but
just
real
quick
one
was
include
the
bikes
in
the
legislation
for
the
lead,
pedestrian
intervals
and
I.
Think
that
Jillian
mentioned
that
one
is
the
second
one
was
allow
local
control
for
implementation
of
automated
speed
enforcement,
red
light,
running
parking
violations
and
others
traffic
safety
issues.
B
X
U
Y
So
that
way
we
can
get
that
that
priority
into
the
package
and
then
for
the
biking
side
by
side,
the
eBay
e-rebates,
the
local
control
for
red
light
cameras,
actually,
the
local
control
for
red
light
cameras,
I'm
checking
with
our
police
on
that
right
now
and
then
the
other
issues
I
can
bring
up
with
our
counterparts.
I
know
that
Alexandria
mentioned
that
they
had
thought
about
the
e-bike
rebates
and
so
I'm
happy
to
check
with
them
to
see
what
they're
doing
on
that
issue.
I
Yeah,
the
the
red
light
cameras,
the
one
thing:
you're,
probably
gonna,
you
know
you're
gonna
get
pushback,
you
know
because
we
aren't
using
all
the
ones
we
have
now,
because
it's
apparently
inconvenient
for
the
police
department-
or
you
know
my
words,
not
theirs,
so
you
know
so
when
you're
talking
to
them,
you
know
figure
out
why
they're
they're
not
doing
everything
they're
currently
allowed
to
do
before
we
add
you
know
in
the
process
of
asking
for
more.
Thank
you.
Y
R
I
just
want
to
say
for
what
it's
worth,
but
I
am
opposed
to
the
safety.
Stop
idea,
in
fact,
I
think
the
name
for
it
itself
is
outrageous,
and
let's
see
how
that
adds
to
our
safety
in
any
way,
and
all
it
does
is
to
emphasize
to
the
motorists
that
bicycle
Riders
don't
follow.
The
rules
I
think
it
would
be
a
disaster,
so
Jillian
I
hope
it
doesn't
work.
Y
Y
Y
And
ministers,
so
that
is
one
that's
gonna
I
think
come
down
to
do.
We
have
a
democratic
house
and
a
democratic,
controlled
Senate
I
think
that
one,
if
I
remember
correctly,
Senator
Stanley
back
when
the
Republicans
got
control
of
the
house
reintroduced
that
Bill
to
put
that
back
on
the
books,
because
it
was
reversed
and
you
know
now
it's
back
to
you
know.
Contributory
negligence
is
back
on
the
books
and
so
I
think
that
does
not
even
stand
a
chance
unless
we
get
Democrats
in
control
of
both
the
house
and
the
Senate.
Unfortunately,.
Y
That's
totally
fine,
you
can
the
way
I
would
phrase
it
is
that
I
would
not
phrase
it
necessarily
as
like.
If
the
Democrats
get
control
or
whatnot
I
would
phrase
it
as
like
other
priorities
should
you
know,
circumstances
allow
for
additional
consideration
like
some
broad
language,
because
remember
that
your
letter
is,
you
know
public,
it
will
be
public
foible
material
that
gets
posted
with
the
the
minutes
of
the
board
meeting
and
whatnot.
Y
A
lot
of
them
represent
a
lot
of
rural
areas
and
they
don't
have
this
need
this
desire,
and
so,
even
if
you,
you
know
toss
it
back
to
the
locality
and
give
localities
permission
to
offer
this
kind
of
rebate,
they
still
look
at
it
as
an
issue.
That's
very
much
an
urban,
more
democratic
area-leaning
issue,
and
they
just
don't
necessarily
want
to
you
know,
go
down
that
path.
So
that's
why
I
think
the
e-bike
rebates
may
be
in
that
category
as.
C
X
B
There,
which
is
car
registration
fees,
okay,
some
of
us,
were
so
excited
when
DC
announced
that
larger
Vehicles
would
be
paying
more
to
register
their
cars
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
possible
to
do
that
in
in
Virginia,
I
mean
from
what
I
read
like
a
year
or
two
ago.
It
was
not
in
the
rules,
but
is
that
something
that
would
you
know
if
we
got
the
right
circumstances
with
the
votes
it?
Maybe
that
would
be
possible.
Y
Y
So
maybe
you
know
it
goes
to
you
know
a
transportation
fund
for
safety.
That's
you
know
one
option.
Other
people
could
want
it
to
go
towards.
You
know
Metro,
accessibility
and
that's
another
can
of
worms.
So
I
think
that
you
have
two
issues
there.
You
have
the
issue
of.
Can
we
charge
more
for
cars
that
have
larger
capacity?
And
then
you
also
have
the
issue
of
what
do
you
do
with
the
extra
funding.
B
Y
Thank
you
so
much
yeah,
no
problem,
I
think
the
world
the
the
thing
that
I'm
thinking
of
is,
like
you
know
a
lot
of
rural
areas.
They
tend
to
have
larger
cars
because
the
roads
aren't
as
good.
They
need
more
four-wheel,
drive
they,
and
so
they
may
see
this
as
like
a
total
attack
on
them
and
I.
Don't
think
the
Republicans
would
go
for
that,
but.
B
Y
So
I
think,
because
car
registration
is
done
Statewide
you
have
to
do
one
or
the
other,
because
otherwise
it'd
be
like.
Okay,
Arlington
is
basically
they
would
see
it
as
placing
a
tax
on
vehicles,
if
they're
over
a
certain
size
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
would
fly
either
so
I
think
it's
one
of
those
All
or
Nothing
issues,
but
I
think
it's
something
you
know
I'll
ask
my
original
counterprods
I'll
kind
of
get
some
their
thoughts
on
this
and
you
know.
U
Y
U
A
Y
A
V
A
Can
I
can
I
interject
a
couple
of
things?
One
is
married
to
Lao
from
bike
and
walk
Arlington
I
left
her
off
the
agenda.
That
was
my
oversight
and
I.
Wonder
if
Mary
might
want
to
catch
people
up
for
a
few
minutes,
and
then
there
was
some
committee
business
I
know
on
the
pack
side
that
could
probably
wait
until
next
month
and
then
I
have
one
little
short
item.
I
would
like
to
add
to.
K
C
C
Yeah
I
was
approached
by
Arthur
fox
in
ARCA,
who's
been
one
of
their
main
transportation
people.
He
was
also
their
president
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
she
contacted
him
and
he
contacted
me.
This
is
28th
and
Army
Navy
Drive
and
the
I'm,
assuming
that
they
are
literally
talking
about
that
intersection
and
not
something
closer
around
the
corner.
Where
there
is
no
inner.
There
is
no
crosswalk
there.
C
It's
28th
Street
because
of
all
the
traffic
that
is
turning
on
and
off
from
Army
Navy
Drive
28th
is
increasingly
a
cut
through
Street.
So
it's
a
way
of
avoiding
Glee,
both
glebees
and
Arlington
Ridge
Road.
So
fast
drivers
going
through
and
turning
both
ways,
avoiding
both
all
these
major
roads.
I
went
out
and
looked
at
it.
There
and
I
may
have
I.
Think
I
may
have
copied
you
on
it.
David
the
there
is
a
very
faint
crosswalk
at
the
corner
of
Arlington
Ridge
and
28th.
C
It's
worn,
you
can
barely
see
it
and
there
is
a
stop
sign
on
28th
Street,
which
is
ignored
by
all
the
drivers.
There's
no
stop
yield
or
anything
on
Army
Navy
Drive.
So
you
know
the
cars
just
was
around
I
I,
think
minimally.
It
would
be
nice
to
repaint
the
crosswalk
and
preferably
with
something
bolder.
C
They
put
in
some
wonderful
crosswalks
at
26th
and
28th.
There
I
can't
remember
if
they're
ladder
or
zebra
but
they're
they're,
big
and
bold
and
wide
and
wonderful,
and
even
just
doing
that,
would
help
it'd
be
nice
to
have
some
watch
out
for
pedestrian
signs
and
bikes,
because
it's
really
a
dangerous
area.
So
I
don't
know
she
said
she
had
multiple
issues:
I,
don't
know
what
they
all
were,
but
I,
though
I
sent
Arthur
those
suggestions
which
she
he
forwarded
to
her
I,
think
so.
C
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
she
wanted
to
follow
up
with
us.
I
can
I
can
reach
out
to
Arthur
and
say
hey
she.
She
was
here
for
the
meeting.
We
couldn't
let
her
talk
at
the
beginning,
because
we
already
had
a
practitioner.
We
didn't
know
she
was
coming
and
then
we
had
time
at
the
end.
She
was
gone
so
well.
A
D
Exactly
what
to
do,
and
one
video
yeah
and
the
big
deal
about
28th
Street
you've
got
two
schools
and
you've
got
kids
crossing.
You
know
from
the
apartments
there
in
our
what
used
to
be
called
Orlando
going
over
to
Gunston
into
going
into
Oak
Ridge,
and
it's
as
if
you
know
the
the
school,
the
the
mere
fact
of
children
being
there
is
being
ignored.
E
D
V
K
C
Well
there
there
is
a
complete
Street
project
for
18th
Street.
It
doesn't
go
as
far
as
Arlington
Ridge.
It
doesn't
go
as
far
as
Arlington
Ridge
Road
in
one
site
it
doesn't
go
as
far
as
Army
Navy
on
the
other.
It
goes
I
think
from
laying
over
226th
and
it's
one
of
many
complete
Street
projects
where
they
did
not
put
in
any
bike.
Lanes-
and
you
know
it's,
it
is
imperfect.
It's
a
very
tight
space.
It
would
be
a
wonderful
place
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians
because
it
is
flat.
A
All
right,
Pam
I'm,
going
to
be
in
touch
with
you
about
this:
it's
not
a
set
of
intersections
in
the
streets.
I'm
really
familiar
with
up
at
the
top
of
the
hill
I've.
Looked
into
some
questions
that
Andrea
Walker
made
me
aware
of
a
couple
of
months
ago.
There's
some
real
constrained,
right-of-way
Etc,
et
cetera,
but
crosswalks
are
pretty
easy
in
the
scheme
of
things.
So
let
me
see
what
I
can
yeah
that.
A
P
Yes,
I'm
here,
I
could
be
really
quick,
so
we
were
at
the
fair.
In
August
we
had
the
electric
Riot
experience.
I
saw
Cynthia
there
Dana
helped
us
Pam
was
there
David
came
by
so
we
engaged
with
over
a
thousand
people
from
Friday
through
Sunday,
giving
e-bike
test
rides.
It
was
1102
according
to
our
records,
and
we
had
Partnerships
with
Conti's
and
also
with
Pedigo.
We
had
our
first
electric
trike
ever
for
test
rides
at
the
fair.
P
Finally,
so
I
thought
it
was
a
great
day,
a
lot
of
people
who
came
and
rode
the
bikes
had
never
ridden
an
e-bike
before,
and
so
they
could
ride
the
Cosmo
from
Capitol
Bike
Share
and
we
had
our
e-bike
buying
guide,
which
is
now
in
the
bike
Arlington
website.
So
we
had
that
in
time
for
the
fair
and
we
have
our
new
walkabouts
too,
that
we
redid
for
2023
I,
don't
know
if
I've
been
in
this
meeting
yet
to
show
them.
P
So
this
exists
now
too,
and
the
la
which
I'm
excited
about
two-wheel
valet
was
with
us
over
the
weekend
and
they
said
they
parked
380
bikes
from
Friday
through
Sunday,
and
that
was
a
sixty
percent
increase
from
last
year.
And
the
other
data
point
is
that
they
had
to
reconfigure
the
space
because
they
had
so
many
bikes
that
have
like
child
seats
or
bigger
bikes
that
they
couldn't
put
them
on
the
regular
racks.
So
they
had
to
move
things
around.
So
I
thought
that
was
really
good.
P
Yet
how
we'll
Define
winning
we'll
get
the
library
for
the
year
and
he
said,
he'll,
try
to
get
a
post
put
in
the
ground
and
like
mount
it
permanently
and
in
the
past
it's
been
at
Campbell
and
Randolph
and
it's
just
been
sitting
on
a
table.
It
hasn't
really
been
mounted
properly,
so
I
think
that's
the
plan
so
I'm
working
on
the
library
and
then
we're
having
tentatively
a
pal
volunteer
recruitment
event
on
October
26th
at
Shirlington,
Library,
so
I'm
working
on
that
we
have
about
25
active
Pals.
P
Now
so
we're
trying
to
build
them
up
and
then
the
next
big
Outreach
event
is
lighting
up
Arlington
on
November,
1st,
2nd
and
3rd,
and
we
will
be
on
the
trail,
giving
out
lights
and
other
information.
And
we
are
also
at
the
moment
reprinting.
The
Arlington
Loop
maps
that
are
on
the
trails,
so
I'm
working
to
get
those
updated
and
redone.
P
And
then,
at
some
point
in
the
next
few
months,
I'll
be
coming
to
you,
the
BAC
for
help
updating
the
bicycle
Comfort
level
map
in
time
for
Bike
To,
Work
Day
in
the
spring,
and
so
that
probably
won't
be
right
away.
But
it's
on
my
radar
and
I
know:
Dana
was
marking
it
up
and
showing
it
to
Henry
at
the
fair
and
I
didn't
see,
I,
don't
know
what
happened
to
that
map,
but
I
know
you
were
Dana
was
thinking
about
it.
So
I'm
sure
you
all
would
have
good
input
on
it.
So
that's!
A
A
It's
not
a
good
look
and
apparently
I
don't
want
to
get
anybody
in
trouble,
but
apparently
the
person
at
Swanson
who
makes
that
call
didn't
want
any
more
bike
racks.
These
are
the
kinds
of
these
are
the
racks
that
are
attached
to
rails.
So
they're
like
a
module,
you
put
it
down,
you
get
four
new
u-rex
and
you
can
park
eight
bikes.
A
The
kids
can
park
a
dozen
bikes
on
there,
so
anybody
has
kids
at
Swanson,
Middle
School
talk
to
the
people
in
charge
and
get
them
to
request
a
couple
of
racks
and
they
could
have
some
more
bike
racks.
The
main
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
was
folks
on
this
call
know
about
the
bicycle
friendly
community
sweepstakes:
let's
go
it's
not
a
competition.
A
It's
like
a
it's
like
a
report
card
and
every
four
years
the
county
applies
to
the
league
of
American,
bicyclists,
bicycle
friendly,
Community
program
to
be
scored
to
be
rigged
and
we've
been
a
a
silver
level:
bicycle
Community.
Since
2011..
This
is
a
it's.
A
monster
undertaking
I've
been
through
it
four
times
now:
2011
15,
19
and
now
this
year,
and
it
grew
it's
a
98,
Page
Long
application,
and
you
have
to
scour
all
your
colleagues
across
the
county
and
all
the
community
contacts
to
ask
them
to
help.
A
A
There's
an
online
there's
an
online
survey.
Our
people
would
call
it
a
feedback
form.
It's
not
a
survey.
It's
not
a
scientific
survey
and
and
I
have
shared
this
with
Nate
Graham
and
our
folks
in
Outreach
and
Communications,
because
it
seems
to
me
a
little
bit
bizarre
that
are
people
who
are
doing
the
scoring
of
our
application
want
our
help
to
to
do
their
promotion
because
they
could
make
it
part
of
how
good
a
grade
we
get
anyway.
A
A
There
he
is
there
is
that
they
have
until
their
deadline
is
until
the
October
20th,
so
okay,
plenty
of
time
and
there.
So
this
group
overall
they
rate
or
rank
several
hundred
communities
across
the
country,
they're,
not
all
the
same
four-year
cycle.
We
are
but
say
they
get
120
or
30
applications
this
year,
that's
120
or
30
applications,
I'm
100
Pages,
that's
like
Bob's,
a
gobs
of
review
work,
that's
budgets!
A
A
C
A
C
S
K
C
A
Good
I
I,
don't
this
seemed
like
a
new
thing
to
me
this
year,
but
they
they
really
reworked
the
application
this
year
in
the
past.
This
is
a
group
that
promotes
the
five
E's
Enforcement
Education,
encouragement,
evaluation
and
education.
Well,
they've
changed
the
five
E's
this
year,
so
enforcement
has
been
really
downgraded
and
Equity
has
taken
place,
so
the
whole
application
has
a
huge
Equity
component.
How
are
you
doing
this?
How
are
you
doing
that?
How
are
you
reaching
out
to
people
who
are
not
typically
engaged
so
I
feel
like?
A
We
did
pretty
good
on
that.
We
have
a
very
serious
Equity
diversity.
Inclusion
approach
coming
from
the
county
manager
on
down
Etc,
so
we'll
see
our
our
engagement
process
is
very
sophisticated.
I
think
it
follows
best
practices
Nationwide,
so
we'll
see
they're
going
to
be
scoring
this
thing
between
now
and
December,
they'll
announce
results
in
December
and
we'll
see
here
we
go
thank.
S
C
A
C
U
B
C
Up
to
everybody,
I
mean
we
could
do
it
in
a
minute.
I
I,
I,
I,
I,
request
I,
have
a
motion
to
approve
the.
Where
are
my
minutes,
this
pack
meeting
all
right
the
these
are.
This:
is
the
pack
minutes
from
May
10th
2023
they
were
distributed
through
the
pack.
Google
group
can
I
have
a
motion
to
to
approve
them.
E
Q
C
C
C
I
I
have
a
this.
One
is
always
a
challenge
who
are
these
people,
so
it's
really
important
to
have
a
list
of
all
the
attendees.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I,
always
a
pleasure
Cynthia.
Thank
you.
Always
a
pleasure
David,
always
a
pleasure
to
all
of
you.
Thank
you
for
hanging
in
there.
Thank
you.
Everyone,
bye-bye.