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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
january
7
2022
meeting
of
the
arlington
county
planning
commission,
I
am
commission
chair
daniel
weir.
This
is
the
first
of
two
evenings
scheduled
for
public
hearings.
Tonight,
we'll
be
discussing
three
items.
First,
the
commission
will
hear
the
amendments
to
the
arlington
forest
neighborhood
conservation
plan.
A
At
our
carryover
meeting
march
9th
wednesday,
the
commission
will
hear
proposed
planning
and
zoning
fee
changes,
as
well
as
a
request
to
authorize
public
hearings
for
the
clarendon
sector
plan,
update
and
relatings
related
zoning
ordinance
amendments.
If
you
are
online
for
these
items,
please
note
that
we
will
not
be
discussing
that
project
tonight.
A
Some
items
required
to
share
now
for
the
safety
of
our
staff
and
residents
we're
holding
this
meeting
virtually
welcome
to
our
commissioners,
county
staff,
applicants
and
community
members
who
are
all
joining
us
remotely.
We
are
legally
authorized
to
hold
this
virtual
meeting
based
on
executive
orders,
legislation
adopted
by
the
general
assembly
and
the
county
boards
continuity
of
operations
ordinance
adopted
on
march
2020..
A
B
B
A
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A
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of
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act
requirements
with
that
said,
madam
clerk,
will
you
please
call
tonight's
first
time.
C
A
Evening
everybody,
ms
martinez,
thank.
D
You
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name
is
nadi
martinez,
nc
planner,
with
the
neighborhood
conservation
program
tonight,
members
of
the
arlington
forest
neighborhood
are
here
to
present
their
updated
neighborhood
plan,
which
was
approved
by
the
ncac
in
january
of
this
year
with
us
tonight
we
have
esther
bowring,
arlington
force,
citizen
association,
president
hutch
brown,
the
editor
of
the
nc
plant
update
and
liz
kaufman,
the
arlington
forest
ncac
representative
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
pull
up
the
presentation
and
turn
it
over
to
esther
to
begin.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
so
much
I'd
like
to
thank
the
planning,
commission
and
arlington
county
for
supporting
the
neighborhood
conservation
plan
process.
We
appreciate
living
in
a
community
that
allows
neighborhoods
like
ours
to
establish
our
priorities
and
help
guide
our
future
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
some
just
a
few
of
the
people
who
helped
us
to
to
con
prepare
this
update
of
our
1991
neighborhood
conservation
plan,
which
I'll
just
call
ncp
I'd,
especially
like
to
acknowledge
our
editor
hutch
brown
and
ncp
representative
liz
kaufman,
who
managed
this
process
and
created
our
extraordinary
plan
update.
E
This
plan
could
not
have
been
produced
without
their
dedication
and
leadership,
and
we
had
many
other
major
contributors
from
our
neighborhood
volunteers,
including
master
naturalists
and
other
residents.
Next
slide,
arlington
forest
straddles
route
50
in
west
central
arlington,
and
we
are
very
fortunate
to
have
great
access
to
parks,
trails,
transportation
and
many
other
amenities.
Next,.
E
Arlington
forest
has
a
interesting
history,
thanks
to
its
proximity
to
lubber
run
and
I'm
just
going
to
skip
ahead
to
the
late
1800s
when
much
of
the
land
that
became
arlington
forest
was
owned
by
john
henderson
jr
and
he
bought
arlington
ended
up
buying
his
home
in
1951
and
created
the
original
lubber
run
community
center
with
that
home.
That
was
then
subsequently
blown
down
in
a
hurricane
and
the
old
rec
center
was
built.
E
E
E
E
The
next
after
that,
thank
you,
the
arlington
forest
citizens
association
was
formed
in
1940
and
we
are
an
active
group
with
many
volunteers.
We
still
hand
deliver
eight
paper
newspapers
a
year
to
all
851
households
and
we
hold
eight
yearly
civic
association
meetings.
E
E
from
2019
to
2020.
We
engaged
our
residents
at
civic
association
meetings
conducting
a
swat
exercise
and
we
also
conducted
a
survey.
The
survey
had
187
respondents
out
of
851
households
in
2020
through
2021.
The
plan
was
drafted,
drafts
were
summarized
in
the
newsletter
posted
on
our
website,
discussed
at
civic
association
meetings
and
extensively
reviewed
by
the
community
and
in
september
2021.
The
ncp
was
approved
by
the
neighborhood
and
on
the
19th.
Coming
up
later
this
month
we
will
be
presenting
the
plan
to
the
county
board
I'll
now,
turn
it
over
to
hutch
brown.
F
Good
evening,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
core
of
our
neighborhood
conservation
plan
is,
of
course,
our
neighborhood
goals
and
the
overarching
goal
that
we
have
is
to
preserve
the
things
that
the
residents
of
island
forest
like
about
living
in
our
neighborhood.
We
want
to
keep
those
for
ourselves
and
for
the
future.
F
F
This
is
a
long
plan
and
there
are
lots
of
things
that
we
love
about
living
in
our
neighborhood,
but
I'm
we're
just
going
to
present
three
things.
Three
general
things
that
we
want
to
preserve.
The
first
is
a
park-like
residential
atmosphere.
We
are
very
fortunate
in
being
close
to
some
of
the
last
remaining
wild
areas
in
arlington,
in
the
form
of
our
local
parks.
F
F
Streams
are
wonderful,
the
natural
areas
are
are
some
of
the
best
in
arlington,
and
we
really
want
to
do
a
shout
out
to
parks
and
recreation
which
have
done
a
wonderful
job
in
the
parks
in
our
area
and
also
at
the
community
center
and
elsewhere
connects.
F
The
second
thing
that
is
great
about
living
in
arlington
force
is
a
sense
of
community.
I
moved
in
in
the
1990s,
and
it
really
struck
me
how
warmly
welcoming
everybody
was.
There
are
a
number
of
measures
for
that.
Esther
has
already
described
some
of
them.
Our
very
active
citizens
association,
our
neighborhood
newsletter.
F
F
The
lebron
community
center
is
great
happens
to
be
right
across
the
street,
from
where
I
live,
and
then
great
public
services
of
all
kinds,
health
care,
emergency
response,
fire,
you
name
it
next,
so
those
are
the
things
that
we
want
to
preserve
and
we're
hoping
this
neighborhood
conservation
plan
can
help
in
part
by
addressing
the
areas
of
concern.
We
have
things
that
that
struck
us,
especially
in
our
neighborhood
survey.
F
F
F
Another
area
of
concern,
familiar
to
all
of
us
in
arlington,
is
loss
of
ecological
integrity,
tree
canopy
decline
in
connection
with
oak
decline,
but
even
before
then
arlington
forest
is
is
good
about
that
and
we
have
reversed
it
to
some
degree
by
the
way,
this
this
large
white
oak,
that
you
see
in
the
photo
here,
that
is
oak
decline.
But
it's
in
connection
with
that
house
that
you
see,
which
is
a
greatly
expanded
original
house.
The
construction
contributes
to
that.
The
construction
contributes
also
to
impervious
surfaces.
F
Storm
water,
runoff
invasive
species
are
a
huge
problem
in
our
neighborhood
parks,
we're
very
good
about
helping
the
county
clean
up,
keep
the
invasives
out
of
level
run
park.
Finally,
deer
over
population
arlington
has
done
a
survey
and
came
up
last
spring
with
a
number
of
290
deer
in
arlington
county.
F
Those
deer
tend
to
come
to
congregate
in
the
natural
areas,
especially
our
local
parks,
so
that
we
have
30
to
40
deer
per
square
mile
in
our
neighborhood
and
that's
way
too
many
to
be
sustainable
next
and
finally,
our
third
major
area
of
concern
is
redevelopment
home
footprints.
Expanding
that
contributes
to
canopy
tree
decline,
then
the
potential
for
up
zoning
through
the
missing
middle
initiative.
F
All
of
this
carries
trade-offs
that
everyone
is
familiar
with.
More
traffic
noise
tree
cover
green
space,
parking
issues,
school
overcrowding,
storm
water,
runoff.
The
list
goes
on
next,
so
in
connection
with
those
things
that
we
really
want
to
preserve
about
arlington
forest
and
in
connection
with
those
major
concerns,
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
recommendations
in
this
very
long
neighborhood
conservation
plan-
it's
about
100
pages,
but
the
major
ones
are
these.
First,
we
recommend
that
the
county
preserve
current
zoning
for
arlington
forest.
F
Third,
we
want
to
work
with
the
county
to
reduce
tree
loss
and
the
spread
of
impervious
surfaces,
and
we
recognize
that
homeowners
have
a
major
obligation
here
to
plant
trees.
To
keep
storm
water
on
the
site
on
site,
we
want
to
play
a
role
in
that
ourselves,
finally,
to
preserve
parks
and
restore
ecological
integrity
in
our
neighborhood
by
mitigating
storm.
F
Water,
runoff
and
level
run
four
mile
run
combating
invasive
species
which
were
dedicated
to
helping
out
with
ourselves
and
we're
we're
fully
fully
prepared
to
work
with
the
county
to
help
manage
the
deer
population
issue
and
with
that
we're
almost
done
next.
F
So
I'll
just
do
this
part
too.
We
want
to
thank
the
county
teams
that
that
we've
worked
with
for
the
neighborhood
conservation
plan,
but
also
for
gee.
This
is
a
wonderful,
a
great
place
to
live
in
the
united
states,
one
of
the
best
that
I
know
of,
and
it's
the
county
that
keeps
everything
so
great,
and
we
want
to
thank
everyone
who
works
with
the
county.
Everyone
who
volunteers
with
the
county
for
the
food
for
making
it
a
wonderful
place
to
live
next.
F
Finally,
we've
done
these
acknowledgments,
but
we
just
want
to
do
it
again.
The
neighborhood
conservation
program
team
has
been
wonderful.
I've
just
met
them
myself,
but
I
can
already
tell
that
they're
great
people
to
work
with,
and
we
also
want
to
thank
the
county
for
helping
out
with
our
neighborhood
conservation
plan
revision,
lindell,
core
lilly
whitesell.
I've
worked
with
both
on
this
plan,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
their
collegiality
and
help
next
and
that's
it.
A
G
Daniel
this
is
tim
mcintosh.
No,
we
we
don't
have
any
other
staff
report
all
right.
A
Thank
you,
mr
mcintosh.
Madam
quick,
we
have
any
public
speakers
on
this
item.
C
Okay,
if
it's
okay
for
for
commissioner,
where
you.
C
C
H
I'm
a
member
of
a
ncac
neighborhood
conservation
advisory
commission
committee,
while
while
ncac
was
considering
the
draft
update
you're
now
reviewing,
I
reveal
inform
the
neighborhood
that
the
fl,
the
draft
history
section,
had
contained
several
errors
that
required
correction
as
a
quarter
for
the
ncaa
meeting
for
its
february
17th,
the
neighborhoods
represented
informed
the
ncc
that
they
would
have
agreed
to
revise
the
plan.
Advice
suggested
the
neighborhood
then
voted
unanimously.
The
ncaa
excuse
me
they're
voting
now
so
you've
recommended
accepting
the
plan
based
on
that
statement.
H
However,
the
the
entity
plan
that
you're
updating
at
this
meeting
is
the
same
as
the
one
that
they've
agreed
to
change
that
hasn't
done.
It
correct
the
area
in
the
if
it's
history
sections.
Please,
therefore
ask
the
neighborhood
to
make
the
following
change
to
the
plan
before
the
county
board
considers
the
plan's
acceptance.
H
You
should
submit
this
in
writing
to
the
committee
to
your
plant,
your
commission,
so
what
I
want
change
is
page
11
for
fourth
paragraph
fourth
sentence
change:
wod
passenger
trains
through
the
area
continue
until
1941
and
the
freight
and
mail
service
lasted
until
the
railroad
company
was
expanded
in
1868.
H
The
dates
are
wrong
on
this,
so
change
this
to
wd
pasture
trains
through
the
area
continue
until
1923.,
that's
important.
The
date
mail
service
stopped
in
1951,
that's
important
too.
At
the
date.
Well,
freight
service
lasted
until
the
railroad
closed
in
1968.
H
you.
I
have
to
have
that
in
writing.
If
you
read
the
message
I
sent,
but
I
just
please
ask
the
neighborhood
to
change
this
before
it
goes
to
the
county
board.
I
don't
like
repeating
this,
but
I
don't
really
like
to
see
errors
in
history
sections
they're
important
because
they
tend
to
get
repeated
over
and
over
and
over
the
documents.
H
A
Thank
you,
mr
burn.
Do
we
have
any
representative
of
any
commissions,
ncac
or
others.
A
A
I
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much,
representatives
of
the
neighborhood.
This
was
very
entertaining
to
hear
and
very
informative.
I'm
glad
you
had
such
a
such
a
successful
activity
with
the
staff
to.
Let
me
put
my
camera
on
to
create
this
plan
and
I'm
really.
I
really
appreciate
the
focus
on
our
natural
resources.
I
We
hear
those
comments
in
a
lot
of
other
arenas
with
our
site
plans
and
our
long
range
plans
and
our
zoning
commission.
So
it's
it's
gratifying
to
hear
that
come
through
in
your
own
neighborhoods
long-range
planning.
I
look
forward
to
being
supportive
of
this
when
it
goes
to
the
board.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Land
tell
me.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
I'd
like
to
associate
myself
with
commissioner
guerin's
comments.
I
always
love
seeing
these
come
before
us.
The
only
comment
I
have,
I
guess,
maybe
contrary
or
a
way
to
sort
of
put
in
your
mind,
is
your
concern
about
upzoning
and
missing
middle.
You
identify
a
number
of
concerns,
which
I
absolutely
agree
with
on
stormwater
runoff
tree
canopy
schools
that
sort
of
thing
there
are
definitely
concerns.
J
I
think
all
of
us
do
share.
I
do
not
think
that
necessarily
if
it's
done
right,
a
missing
middle
type
of
up
zoning
would
actually
be
c
would
exacerbate
those
problems.
If
it's
done
right,
those
it
can
actually
address
some
of
those
problems
radically
a
a
duplex
on
the
same
footprint
and
square
footage
as
a
new
house
would,
just
by
definition,
not
cause
additional
stormwater,
runoff
or
or
other
similar
problems,
or
you
know
tree
canopy
issues
so
anyway,
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
J
K
Here
we
go
I'll
associate
with
both
of
my
colleagues
and
also
thank
you
very
much
for
the
hard
work
staff
and
the
community
has
put
into
this.
I
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
enjoyed
the
incorporation
of
the
shopping
center
into
the
overall
story
of
your
community.
K
I
some
of
you
might
know,
I'm
on
a
transportation
board
panel,
that's
overseeing
this
multi-year
study
of
post-work
commercial
properties
and
how
to
assess
their
significance,
and
I
really
enjoyed
your.
I
think
you
called
it
the
mutually
supportive
relationship
between
the
shopping
center
and
the
community,
and
I
appreciate
that
kind
of
social
history
being
highlighted.
We,
as
opposed
to
just
architecture
when
you're
talking
about
historic
preservation-
and
I
wanted
to
say
in
particular
with
another
project
I've
been
involved
with
looking
at
legacy
businesses
in
arlington.
K
I
had
the
privilege,
through
one
of
you
here
on
this
call
of
speaking
to
the
forest
valley
dry,
cleaner
and
that
really
kind
of
reinforce
the
significance
and
the
social
history
that
that
shopping
center
contributes
so
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
hope
my
colleagues
keep
that
kind
of
those
issues
in
mind.
As
we're
looking
at
future
projects
going
forward,
thank
you.
G
Okay,
could
I
I'm
sorry,
commissioner,
where
could
I
make
a
comment
to
that.
G
Yeah
yeah,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
for
mentioning
that,
because
the
the
arlington
forest
dry
cleaners
was
a
business.
I
was
involved
in
my
dad
started
that
business
in
1967.,
so
I've
been
around
that
shopping
center
for
many
many
years
and
just
wanted
to
note
and
say
thank
you
for
mentioning
that.
That's
all
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
mcintosh,
commissioner
peterson.
L
I
also
wanted
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
It
was
really
evident
that
there's
a
real
love
for
your
neighborhood,
and
I
really
like
hearing
my
fellow
arlington
citizens
talk
with
such
passion
about
why
they
love
their
neighborhood
and
how
much
they
love
it.
I
wanted
to
echo
the
comments
of
my
fellow
commissioner
weir.
I'm
sorry,
commissioner.
L
Len
tell
me
about
the
concerns
about
upzoning
and
just
the
missing
middle
study,
and
I
agree
with
him
that
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
have
to
be
worried
about
upzoning
if
it's
done
right
and
I
think
that
it
could
be
done
right,
add
a
little
bit
more
housing
stock
to
the
community,
while
also
preserving
so
much
about
what
you
love.
So
I
just
wanted
to
just
make
that
point.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner
peterson
yeah
I'll
I'll
associate
myself.
Also
with
those
comments
from
commissioners.
Tell
me
peterson,
but
I
also
have
a
question
for
I
guess
this
is
for
either
staff
or
for
the
for
the
neighborhood,
to
the
extent
that
some
of
the
factual
items
that
mr
burn
raises
can
be
confirmed,
is
there
is
and
and
that
it's
not
onerous
to
do
so.
Is
there
a
window
to
confirming
and
correcting
those
those
details
between
now
and
when
it
goes
to
the
board.
F
I
can
take
that
yep
go
ahead.
Can
it
is
that
okay
tim?
I
can
oh
yeah,
please
please,
okay,
so
this
is
hutch
brown,
yes
in,
in
fact,
the
the
history
section
was
written
by
john
nayland
he's
our
local
historian.
I've
checked
with
him
on
those
facts.
We've
made
those
corrections,
just
not
in
the
latest
version
that
mr
burns
saw
right.
So
that's
the
version
that
the
board
will
see
the
correct
version.
A
F
A
Happy
to
solve
a
problem
this
easily
too
bad,
they
all
can't
be
solved
so
quickly.
Thank
you
all
thank.
H
A
Madam
clerk,
I
I
believe
a
a
to
accept
is
an
order.
Is
that
correct.
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
would
entertain
a
a
motion
to
I'm
just
checking
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
missing
a
specific.
We
don't
do.
We
have
a
do.
We
have
a
staff,
we
do
have
a
staff
report.
Yes,
we
do.
Okay.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to
to
move
adoption
or
to
move
the
the
recommendation
that
the
plan
be
accepted.
M
And
just
as
a
reminder
for
my
colleagues,
the
acceptance
by
the
county
board
of
nc
plan
to
commissioner
len
tommy's
earlier
comments
does
not
in
any
way
endorse
anything
within
it
as
county
adopted
policy.
It
just
provides
for
an
adoption
method,
just
as
a
reminder
for
everyone.
So.
A
Commission
reviews
before
you
before
you
offer
something
that
then
becomes
something
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
First,
thank
you
for
that
excellent
reminder
which
I
will
then
extend
to
staff,
because
the
staff
report
does
say.
Oh
excuse
me
the
staff
I
take
it
back.
The
staff
report
says
adopt
the
resolution
to
accept
the
plan.
Forget
I
said
that
go
ahead.
Commissioner
hughes.
M
I
A
I
Thank
you.
I
do
want
to
reiterate
it's
commissioner
gear,
and
I
want
to
reiterate
what
commissioner
hughes
said
for
those
of
us
who
might
not
have
heard
one
of
these
before
or
participated
in
the
review.
These
are,
in
fact
accepted
as
guidance
by
the
county
board
in
general,
and
so
sometimes
we've
had
discussions
where
the
grand
view
of
the
neighborhood
becomes
at
odds
with
some
of
our
policies.
So
to
be
clear,
we
are.
It
is
true
that
we
are
not
fully
endorsing
everything
in
it.
I
We
are
moving
to
adopt
it
so
that
it
will
go
forward
and
it
will
be
accepted
as
a
vision
for
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
M
M
Reference
to
what
the
what
the
community
in
a
given
neighborhood
feels
is
is
the
way
I've
come
to
accept
it
as
the
best
way
to
to
see
it,
and
it
represents
a
written
record
in
posterity
for
how
the
views
of
that
neighborhood
are
recorded
and,
as
with
everything
in
time,
things
change
and
evolve,
as
people
grow
and
change.
So
just
for
anyone
who's
read
through
it
has
any
any
reservations.
M
A
F
I
H
N
C
A
A
Thank
you
all
staff
and
the
neighborhood
and
mr
burn,
and
to
the
ncac
as
well.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
next
item.
C
A
Right,
so
just
to
be
mr
watson,
before
you
start
off
madam
clerk,
I
the
the
plan,
then
is
just
gonna
be
to
go
back
to
staff
for
any
presentation
or
items
on
the
easement
before
we
go
to
public
comment.
C
C
O
Yes,
thank
you,
okay,
so
yeah.
Thank
you
all.
There
are
two
items
as
the
clerk
just
mentioned
tonight.
The
first
is
the
site
plan
amendment
for
redevelopment
and
the
second
part
b
is
that
ordinance
to
vacate
for
a
portion
of
an
easement
for
street
and
public
purposes
so
for
background.
O
This
site
is
located
at
2025,
clarendon
boulevard,
it's
about
300
feet
due
east
of
the
courthouse
metro
station
actually
in
the
radnor
fort
myer
heights,
civic
association
and
the
the
site
itself
is
at
the
point
where
wilson,
boulevard
and
clarendon
boulevard
converge
with
north
courthouse
road
also
for
background.
The
site
is
glupt,
medium
up
our
office
apartment,
hotel
or
medium
oah,
and
the
zoning
is
co.
2.5
mixed
use,
district
there's
no
proposed
change
to
the
glup
or
the
zoning
with
this
prison
with
this
project,
and
also
just
for
reference.
O
So
this
site
was
previously
approved
back
in
2015
for
a
site
plan
by
the
county
board,
and
that
was
a
12
story.
Office
building
with
ground
floor
retail.
There
was
also
an
associated
change
in
the
glove
designation
at
that
time
and
change
in
the
zoning
as
well.
In
addition,
there
were
transferable
development
rights
for
the
pre
for
the
historic
preservation
of
the
wakefield
manor
site
that
the
county
board
also
approved
the
site.
Plan
itself
was
never
constructed
the
wachovia
bank
and
the
wendy's
restaurant.
O
and
even
though
that
site
plan
was
never
constructed,
the
transferable
development
rights
that
the
county
board
approved
back
then
in
2015
are
vested
those
historic
preservation,
even
easements,
were
recorded
in
the
land
records
in
2016
and
I'll
speak
more
about
the
significance
of
that
in
some
of
the
coming
slides.
O
So
this
proposal
is
for
a
16-story
residential
building
with
ground
floor
retail
231
residential
dwelling
units
overall
3
500
square
feet
of
retail
underground
parking
is
proposed
for
a
total
of
75
parking
spaces.
The
ratio
for
residential
parking
would
be
0.32
spaces
per
unit,
and
there
is
no
retail
parking
proposed.
Given
the
proximity
to
the
metro
station.
O
In
addition,
there's
about
a
fourteen
hundred
square
foot
public
plaza
that
the
applicant
will
construct
and
maintain.
There
would
be
a
of
course,
a
reciprocal
public
access,
easement
of
the
same
size
granted
for
that
space
as
well
and,
in
addition,
a
new
alley
that
will
connect
wilson
and
clarendon
boulevards.
That
was
envisioned
in
our
rosalind
courthouse
urban
design
study,
which
I'll
talk
more
about
in
a
minute.
O
There
are
a
couple
of
modifications
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
are
requested
with
this
project.
The
additional
density
I'll
speak
more
to
that
later
in
the
presentation,
but
just
as
a
snapshot
that
would
include
affordable
dwelling
units,
our
green
building
incentive
policy
at
the
lead,
gold
level,
offside,
multimodal
transportation
improvements
and
then
open
space
planning
contribution
and
the
table
there.
On
the
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
just
sort
of
shows
you
a
quick
breakdown
of
how
that
density
is
working.
O
You
can
see
the
size
of
the
transfer
of
transferable
development
rights,
which
is
equates
to
104
dwelling
units,
which
is
quite
a
bit
more
than
the
actual
just
base
zoning
density,
and
so
just
putting
that
out
there
for
folks
as
a
reminder
of
how
that
impacted,
the
density
with
this
site
and
then
in
terms
of
that
additional
density
that
I
just
spoke
to
that's
being
earned
through
section
15
5
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
that
would
include
additional
65
dwelling
units,
430
square
feet
of
retail
space.
O
So
the
other
modifications
staff
also
supports
these
as
well
there's
a
parking
reduction
again,
as
I
mentioned
the
previous
slide,
given
the
proximity
to
metro
compact
parking
increase
up
to
26
percent
reduction
of
one
loading
space
and
then
standard
gfa
exclusions
for
things
such
as
below
grade
mechanical
space
and
the
vertical
air
shafts
that
don't
impact
the
overall
bulk
of
the
building.
O
Also,
I
just
want
to
make
mention
one
more
time
there
is
a
requested
vacation.
This
is
along
north
courthouse
road,
it's
easement
for
street
and
public
purposes.
Its
total
is
a
390
square
feet.
This
will
be
approximately
where
the
new
part
of
the
new
plaza
and
the
sidewalk
and
planting
strip
would
be
for
that.
O
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
jump
into
a
little
bit
more
of
the
analysis
of
this
project
and
also
discuss
how
the
project
evolved
through
the
public
review
process,
so
the
roslyn
decourthouse
urban
design
study
was
approved
by
the
county
board
in
2003.
This
is
the
principal
document
that
guides
redevelopment
for
this
site.
O
So
there's
a
couple
key
recommendations,
site-specific
recommendations
that
I
wanted
to
to
share
with
everybody
and
then
talk
more
about
these
as
we
move
forward.
The
first
of
course
office
was
the
preferred
use
for
this
site
above
retail.
However,
the
plan
also
recommended
residential
above
retail
base,
which
is
what
is
proposed
in
terms
of
building
height.
The
plan
set
a
guideline
of
95
feet,
starting
in
the
west
tapering
to
55
feet
in
the
east.
O
Again,
residential
use
is
acceptable
here
for
the
plan,
but
because
the
design
study
did
state
a
preference
for
office,
we
wanted
to
apply
that,
and
we
also
discussed
this
at
lrpc
at
our
first
public
meeting
and
the
determination
out
of
that
meeting
to
just
sum
it
up
was
that
residential
use
is
appropriate
for
this
site.
Residential
use
is
consistent
with
both
the
globe
and
the
zoning.
It's
also
recommended
by
the
design
study.
O
You
know
right
now.
Courthouse
has
a
very
balanced
use
mix
with
the
sufficient
office
base.
That's
really
anchored
by
government
civic
uses
weeks,
anticipate
that
you
know
an
office
use
could
easily
be
absorbed
and
ross
under
boston
should
they
be
looking
to
locate
in
the
rv
corridor.
In
addition
to
that,
excuse
me,
this
site
is
small
and
narrow
and
it
just
diminishes
the
viability
of
the
office
floor
plate
next.
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
building
height.
O
O
The
zoning
district,
as
I
said
before,
allows
for
those
16
stories
and
then
again
this
the
design
study
really
does
allow
for
that
flexibility
when
you're,
including
things
such
as
this
project,
is
including,
like
on-site,
affordable
housing,
the
public
plaza
the
the
new
alley
and
then
there's
off-site
multi-mobile
transportation
improvements
which
we'll
cover
a
little
bit
later.
O
In
addition
to
that,
I'd
also
just
like
to
to
note
that
those
104
units
of
transferable
density
do
impact.
You
know
the
overall
amount
of
density-
that's
that's
being
built
here
and,
of
course,
with
that
that
that
density
was,
of
course,
transferred
for
the
preservation
of
historic
resources
which
are
have
now
been
recorded
in
the
land
records.
O
So
with
that,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
architecture
massing
and
the
plaza
in
terms
of
how
those
things
evolve.
Through
our
discussion
at
the
sprc,
we
identified
a
number
of
of
issues,
both
staff
and
the
sprc
through
those
first
initial
meetings
and
through
our
online
engagement.
O
Briefly,
those
things
included
the
signature,
gateway,
architecture,
design,
the
building,
massing
and
tapering
the
design
of
the
plaza,
which
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
and
a
couple
other
streetscape
deviations
as
well.
So
staff
has
been
working
with
the
applicant
quite
a
bit
since
sprc
ended,
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
positive
revisions
to
this
project
that
I
just
walked
through
over
the
next
couple
slides
here.
O
So
the
the
first
of
those
is
the
signature
gateway
architecture.
The
initial
design,
which
is
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen,
was
this:
this
sort
of
glass
vessel
this
prowl
design
and,
I
believe,
to
just
sort
of
sum
up.
Some
of
the
comments
we
got
at
the
sprc
was
that
this
designs
felt
incomplete.
O
It
was
lacking
some
features
of
residential
use
or
features
that
you
typically
see
on
a
building,
that's
residential
use
and
so
working
with
the
applicant.
They
have
come
up
with
a
revised
concept
for
that,
the
chamfer
concept,
which
does
a
number
of
things
that
staff
believes
in
as
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
so
those
are
less
building
mass,
above
the
plaza
and
above
the
sidewalk,
to
allow
more
light
and
air
down,
in
the
plaza,
a
more
dynamic
and
visually
interesting
piece
of
architecture.
O
At
this
point
to
sort
of
to
mark
the
gateway
into
this
study
area,
residential
balconies,
which
are
are
a
little
bit
difficult
to
see
on
this
rendering
but
they're
along
clarendon
boulevard
and
then
again,
crucially
as
I'll
go
through.
The
next
slide
improved
column
placement
at
the
ground
level
to
to
improve
the
pedestrian
circulation.
O
I
don't
actually
have
the
original
in
rendering
up
here
on
the
screen,
but
this
was
this
was
the
sprc
2
version
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen,
and
our
overall
concern
was
that
this
base
felt
almost
more
like
a
private
vestibule
for
retail
than
it
did
being
like
an
open
public
space
that
allowed
good
pedestrian
circulation
through
the
site
sort
of
regardless
of
what
use
ended
up
there,
and
so
we
also
wanted
it
to
become
more
of
a
focal
point
for
the
site
as
well
and
so
working
with
the
applicant.
O
O
First,
the
definitely
more
light
and
air
now
reaching
into
the
plaza
the
removal
of
the
horizontal
beam
that,
if
you
could,
if
you
can
see
on
the
left
hand
side
of
the
of
the
screen,
that's
really
supporting
the
building
overhang
there
with
that
removed,
definitely
allowed
for
for
a
much
more
light,
touch
more
more
air
and
circulation
through
there,
and
in
addition
to
that,
a
number
of
biophilic
elements
that
we
we
hoped
would
be
incorporated
here.
So
we
added
back
in
you
know
tree
pits,
increase
the
amount
of
planting.
O
O
Well,
there
was
always
it
would
stop
it,
but
I
should
say
it's
definitely
more
exposed
now
with
those
horizontal
beams
removed,
in
addition
that
looking
at
doing
some
layered
plantings
to
try
to
try
to
soften
up
those
columns
a
bit
and
sort
of
reduce
the
overall
amount
of
bulk
being
taken
up
by
the
columns
within
the
blossom.
O
The
applicant
did
remove-
or,
I
should
say,
relocate
the
balconies
that
were
on
the
northeast
and
southeast
corners
of
the
building
to
create
a
much
better
appearance
of
building
mass
step
back
again
above
the
10th
floor,
which
is
more
in
line
with
the
the
design
guidelines,
recommendations
for
having
at
least
some
sort
of
visual
gesture
towards
having
height
tapering
here
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
jumping
into
the
community
benefits,
I
did
want
to
walk
through
all
these
so
make
sure
everybody's
aware
there
are
10
on-site,
affordable
dwelling
units
that
are
proposed
with
this
project,
that'll
be
five
one
bedrooms
and
two
sorry
and
five,
two
bedrooms
up
to
sixty
percent
ami
for
a
term
of
thirty
years.
O
This
does
not
include
two
additional
on-site,
affordable
dwelling
units,
which
would
also
be
one
one
bedroom
and
one
two
bedroom,
so
there
would
be
a
total
overall
of
12
on-site,
affordable
units
with
this
project.
The
green
building
incentive
policy
at
the
lead
gold
0.35
far
level
is
being
met
here.
I
believe
this
is
the
first
site
plan
project
to
achieve
this
level
under
the
new
green
building
incentive
policy,
and
so
that
would
also
include
20
percent
energy,
optimization
energy,
star
water,
sense,
fixtures
and
appliances.
O
All
of
the
baseline
prerequisites,
which
include
some
requirements
for
ev
parking,
ev,
ready
spaces
and
bird
friendly
materials
as
well,
and
then
three
items
from
that
extras
list
of
the
policy
for
those
familiar
with
it
in
terms
of
multimodal
transportation
improvements,
this
would
add
protected
bicycle
infrastructure
along
north
courthouse
road
and
along
wilson
boulevard,
as
well
as
clarendon
boulevard,
really
extending
the
protected
protected
bike
lanes
that
were
approved
by
the
county
board
through
the
landmark
block
redevelopment
last
year.
O
In
addition
to
that,
two
new
floating
bus
stops
wider
sidewalks
on
the
north
side
of
wilson
boulevard
and
then
a
signalized
mid-block
pedestrian
crossing
of
wilson
boulevard
and
clarendon
boulevard,
just
east
of
the
site.
Lastly,
this
project
would
bring
with
it
approximately
449
thousand
dollars
in
contribution
towards
future
open
space
planning
within
the
within
the
area.
O
I
do
want
to
mention
two
conditions
in
the
staff
report
that
have
not
been
fully
written,
or
at
least
agreed
to
yet
I
should
say
these:
these
are
conditions
for
the
multi
mobile
transportation
improvements
and
the
open
space
contribution
there.
There
should
be
no
substantive
change
at
all
to
the
the
information
that
provided
on
the
previous
slide
is
just
simply,
those
conditions
were
not
drafted
in
time
for
the
staff
report
to
be
distributed.
O
So
in
terms
of
community
engagement
and
our
next
steps,
we
began
this
process
back
in
september
with
our
online
engagement.
We
then
had
that
first
joint
virtual
lrpc
sprc
meeting
in
october,
a
second
sprc
meeting
in
november
and
we're
here
at
the
commission
meetings.
Now
we
just
had
a
transportation
commission
last
thursday
on
the
third.
O
The
tc
did
unanimously
approve
the
project
per
the
county,
manager's
recommendation
housing
commission
will
be
on
the
10th
of
this
month
and
we
will
be
headed
to
the
county
board
on
march
19th
for
those
who
would
like
to
join
so
in
total,
we
recommend
approval
of
this
project.
Overall,
we
find
that
this
supports
and
advances
a
number
of
the
keys,
a
number
of
the
county's
key
goals.
You
know
that
includes
the
on-site,
affordable
dwelling
units
being
brought
in
here.
The
commitment
to
our
lee,
our
green
building
incentive
policy.
O
That's
furthering
our
cep
plan,
new
public,
plaza
money
towards
future
improvements
in
the
area,
construction
of
new,
multimodal
transportation,
improvements
that
really
move
forward,
some
of
our
mtp
goals
and
also
better
align
with
our
vision,
zero
action
plan,
the
provision
of
signature
gateway
architecture,
that's
called
for
in
accordance
with
our
design
study
and
then,
lastly,
just
completing
redevelopment
of
this
design
study
for
the
study
area
west
of
north
troy
street.
This.
O
This
parcel
has,
as
many
people
know,
been
vacant
since
2016.,
so
again,
just
an
overall
positive
project
and
we
recommend
adoption.
So
here
are
our
recommended
motions
to
adopt
the
ordinance
for
the
site
plan
and
to
find
the
ordinance
of
vacation
in
accord
substantially
in
accord
with
the
adoptive
comfort
adopted
comprehensive
plan,
and
with
that.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Weir.
P
All
right,
good
evening,
everyone
nicholas
cummings
with
walsh
kaluchi
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
brief
introduction
to
the
project
before
before
you
hear
from
graystar
and
the
design
team
in
more
detail
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
at
our
sprc
meetings,
you
may
recall
reviewing
the
courthouse
landmark
project
last
year,
which
was
also
handled
by
this
same
developer
and
team.
We're
excited
to
bring
you
a
second
project
in
the
courthouse
neighborhood.
P
As
you
may
know,
the
site
has
quite
a
history:
in
2015,
arlington
county
approved
a
site
plan
for
an
office
building
on
this
parcel
that
approval
included
approximately
195,
870
square
feet
of
office,
ga
gfa
and
6
960
square
feet
of
retail
gfa
and
a
12
story
building.
It
was
supported
by
244
parking
spaces
in
a
five
level
below
grade
parking
garage.
The
same
approval
was
on
the
property
to
co.
P
As
mr
watson
pointed
out,
the
site
remained
undeveloped
for
some
years.
Following
that
approval,
the
applicant
was
able
to
secure
the
parcel
and
now
proposes
a
16-story
residential
building
with
231
units
and
approximately
3
500
square
feet
of
retail,
supported
by
75
parking
spaces,
while
our
building
is
16
stories
due
to
the
difference
in
clear
heights
between
floors
for
office
and
residential
development,
our
project
is
only
18
feet
taller
than
the
previous
approval.
It
also
has
197
fewer
parking
spaces
and
includes
233,
secured
bicycle
parking
spaces
and
16
visitor
bike
parking
spaces.
P
Obviously,
this
new
vision
for
the
site
was
inspired
by
its
proximity
to
metro,
rail
and
other
transit
options
in
the
courthouse
neighborhood.
We
felt
that
residential
density
at
this
location
would
be
a
superb
fit
for
the
neighborhood
complementing
existing
office,
civic
and
retail
uses,
while
adding
much
needed
housing
right
next
door
to
the
metro.
P
While
many
of
our
sbrc
meetings
were
quiet,
we
did
hear
comments
regarding
the
building
design
and,
in
particular,
how
that
design
related
to
the
public
plaza
and
how
it
incorporated
biophilic
design.
Our
next
speakers
will
address
these
topics
in
detail,
but
we
came
up
with
a
striking
design
that
should
be
an
iconic
part
of
the
neighborhood
and
offer
exciting
new
public
space
at
the
corner
of
wilson
and
clarendon.
P
Q
P
Extensive
community
benefit
package
with
this
proposal
that
includes
12
on-site,
affordable
housing
units,
a
contribution
to
public,
open
space
and
extensive
off-site
transportation
improvements.
These
improvements,
designed
as
directed
by
county
staff,
will
be
a
significant
improvement
over
existing
conditions
and
I'm
personally
looking
forward
to
it.
Giving
given
I
work
right
up
the
street,
and
so
with
that
I'll
yell.
Over
to
mr
john
biner,.
R
Now
I
can
there
you
go.
Thank
you
problem
solved.
R
Okay,
I'm
assuming
everyone
can
see
my
screen
thanks
thanks,
nick
and
good
evening,
everyone,
I'm
john
byner
development
director
for
graystar
and
our
2025
project,
as
highlighted
by
staff
and
nick
since
our
last
sr
src
meeting
in
november.
R
You
know
we've
dug
in
pretty
heavily
with
the
county
and
to
re-examine
both
the
prow
and
the
plaza
elements,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
renderings
in
the
staff
presentation,
and
this
cover
page
were
really
extremely
excited
for
where
this
landed
through
a
number
of
iterations,
we
landed
on
a
more
dramatic
and
dynamic
design
for
the
prowl
that
creates
that
gateway
architecture
desired
by
the
urban
design
study.
R
The
experience
of
the
gateway
architecture
will
change
based
on
the
different
view,
corridors
various
varying
the
experience.
As
you
move
around
the
site,
the
different
slopes
of
the
glass
will
reflect
light
differently,
creating
and
creating
every
an
ever-changing
appearance.
Throughout
the
day
we
also
added
balconies
to
the
southern
facade
to
enhance
the
residential
field.
R
Sorry,
for
the
background
noise,
in
the
plaza
we
reduced
the
heaviness
of
the
columns
again
creating
movement
within
the
structure
that
moves
at
the
building.
Above
it,
the
height
of
the
plaza,
is
25
feet
which
will
relate
to
the
historic
retail
across
wilson
boulevard.
S
Yes,
okay,
I
had
trouble
with
this
microphone
before.
Thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
gabriela
kanyamar
clark.
I
am
a
partner
with
land
design
and
we
are.
I
am
the
partner
in
charge
for
the
vision
of
the
exterior
experience
for
the
project
and
just
like
john
described,
which
is
very
happy
where
it's
heading
and
where
we,
combined
with
the
architects
and
the
entire
design
team,
created
this
language
that
is
now
defined
better
by
the
the
features
of
the
building
and
the
open
space.
S
To
start
with,
we
wanted
to
just
put
us
all
in
the
same
plane
as
far
as
the
definition
of
biophilia,
which
is
really
a
an
adopted
term,
but
it's
not
an
official
definition,
but
by
and
large
it
really
emphasizes
our
desire.
As
you
know,
human
beings
for
nature,
especially
in
the
urban
environment,
where
we
are
more
devoid
of
that.
But
there
are
different
ways
to
achieve
a
biophilic
design
and
it's
not
only
landscaping
and
greenery.
There
are
other
elements
and
we
our
brains,
transport
and
trans.
S
You
know
link
visual
experiences
to
objects
in
the
landscape,
and
so
whatever
in
the
build
in
the
build
environment,
we
are
drawing
from
all
those
forms,
and
then
this
is
the
design
that
we
kind
of
we
ended
up
with
next,
please
we
have
six
principles
of
design
for
the
plaza
that
we're
going
to
take
you
through
and
how
we
define
those
and
how
we
achieve
those
one
by
one
to
achieve
a
full
spectrum
of
biophilic
design.
S
The
first
one
is
a
natural
environment
around
us
and
the
space
where
you
know
we,
we
decide
this
openness
of
the
25
foot
ceiling
height
of
the
plaza
or
the
of
the
ceiling
above.
The
plaza
provides
openness
for
this
green
envelope
in
the
immediacy
which
is
the
streetscape
around
us
and
then
what's
across
the
street
and
the
existing
canopy
of
the
build
the
streets
of
the
street
trees.
S
We
also
have
are
borrowing
or
interpreting
unnatural
materials,
the
columns
and
in
this,
in
their
disposition,
which
is
not
completely
plum.
You
know
remind
us
of
trees,
tree
and
canopy
that
they're
not
perfectly
plum.
S
We
do
have
textures
the
materiality
of
the
ground
playing
and
the
vertical
plane,
as
well
as
the
ceiling,
whether
it's
wood,
stone
or
or
though,
or
a
combination
of
both
kind
of
begins
to
tie
in
the
materiality
of
this
natural
environment
in
the
built
form,
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
the
the
poetic
nature
of
the
benches
and
the
materials
in
that
it's
not
static.
It
has
movement
and
there's
textures.
S
Allow
us
to
translate
those
those
elements
in
a
more
finer
grain.
Next,
please
number
two
would
be
natural
forms
and
shapes,
and
these
are
on
the
plan
as
the
crow
flies,
so
to
speak,
as
well
as
in
vertical
shapes.
So
the
way
we
have
translated
those
in
the
organizational
approach
of
the
plaza,
as
you
can
see,
the
planters
and
as
this
was
described
before
the
plant,
the
planting
areas
are
located
specifically
to
receive
those
columns.
S
Those
are
the
areas
where
we
can
actually
have
those
columns
have
an
embrace
by
landscaping
and
then
introduce
or
allow,
rather
than
introduce
porosity
from
the
three
sides,
into
the
plaza
and
out
from
the
plaza
those
shapes
are
polygonal
or
organic.
I
mean
that
there's
not
one
geometric,
strict
geometric
form,
as
well
as
a
paving
pattern
that
is
supposed
to
be
whimsical
and
inviting
and
bringing
people
in
this
criss-cross
of
circulation
around
the
plaza.
S
The
next
one
number
three
is
the
patterns
and
the
actually
the
natural
processes
and
how
we
incorporate
those
in
this
design
the
patterns
again
the
textural
pattern,
you
know
translating
into
the
texture
of
the
wood,
on
the
benches,
the
seasonality
of
the
landscaping
and
the
layer
of
the
landscaping
offering
us.
You
know
interest
through
different
season.
Even
if
those
planters
are
pretty
compact
in
shape
and
form
and
the
rest
of
it
would
be
richness.
You
know
the
textural,
the
size
of
the
leaves
the
the
the
clumps
of
the
of
the
ornamental
grasses.
S
The
aroma
that
you
once
would
get
you
know
in
the
rain.
All
those
things
combined
are
a
part
of
this
next,
please.
S
Did
we
freeze?
Oh
there,
you
go
number
four.
It
would
be
light
and
by
by
virtue
of
the
space
and
being
so
tall,
the
25
foot,
it
would
allow
naturally
to
receive
sun
from
the
south
from
the
southwest
and
from
the
west
through
the
day
to
reflect
and
to
be.
You
know
just
this
place
that
is
really
amenitized
by
natural
light
and
then,
of
course,
the
reflectancy
of
the
materials
themselves
being
light
with
high
reflectancy
we're
capitalizing
on
that
natural
light
throughout
the
space,
and
then
the
connections
themselves,
visual
and
physical.
S
The
space
is
designed
to
be
perceived
from
the
outside
in
and
from
the
inside
out,
physically
and
just
visually
from
people
sitting
on
the
different
benches,
appreciating
the
space
interior
space
and
interact
with
one
another
or
outside
on
to
the
outside
into
through
the
rest
of
the
streetscape
on
that
intersection
and
the
connections
that
we
that
we
have
with
nature,
which
is
via
touch
site,
you
know
all
of
the
senses
and
in
a
manner
that
is
curated,
like
I
said
before,
through
hardscape
and
landscape
materials
and
how
they're
layered
and
how
they're
appreciated
from
from
the
general
public.
S
Next
one
please
to
break
down.
I
think
we
have
a
few
more
slides
to
break
down
this.
The
design
pieces.
Oh
the
last
one,
I'm
sorry,
it's
the
actual,
true
relationship
to
nature,
which
is
the
landscape
piece,
how
this
building
is
enveloped
by
borrowed
scenery
from
across
the
street
and
all
the
existing
canopy,
our
own
streetscape
and
canopy.
S
That
will
exist
there
in
the
landscaping
and
the
perimeter
and
then
the
landscaping
at
the
column
side
and
incorporating
a
plant
palette
that
has
resiliency
through
the
year
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
we
would
like
this
this
palette
to
not
completely
go
dormant
in
the
winter.
It
has
bones,
it
has
structure,
there's
a
peel
all
year
round.
There
are
seasonality
of
year
round
and
then,
of
course,
in
a
such
a
limited
space,
you
know
maximizing
our
opportunities
to
create
or
to
emphasize
or
enforce
urban
habitat,
hopefully
within
the
square.
S
Footage
of
our
plant
beds
can
still
foster
a
healthy
habitat
for
critters
pollinators
bees,
you
name
it.
We
do
have
a
garden
that
is
about
the
same
size
in
our
office
here
in
old
town,
and
you
know
bees
come
quite
often
so,
whether
it's,
what
kind
of
whatever
pollinator
we
we
will
cater
the
plant
palette
to
continue
to
foster
a
healthy
environment
in
our
open
spaces,
and
I
think
that's
is
there
a
next
one?
Next,
please,
oh,
this
is
a
fabulous
shot.
S
I
thought
we
would
definitely
show
it
in
how
warm
it
is
the
reflectancy
of
the
columns,
how
they
do
land
on
those
polygonal
planters
and
how
they're
all
amenitized,
by
all
the
features
that
I
just
described
next,
please.
S
We
have
observed
the
landscape
or
the
pedestrian
passage
on
the
public
sidewalk
all
around,
and
we
just
offer
those
those
planters
with
the
seating
areas
and
the
kind
of
the
whimsical
benches
that
face
in
and
out
the
paving
pattern
is
intended
to
bring
people
in
and
through
the
space,
in
a
sort
of
a
whimsical
pattern
with
a
combination
of
textures
and
banding,
and
then
we
have
the
bike
racks
on
the
south
side,
a
standard
streetscape
of
buyer
attention,
planters
on
wilson
boulevard
and
a
landscape
bed
that
basically
borders
north
courthouse
road.
Next,
please!
S
S
This
is
the
area
where
I
was
mentioning
the
bio
attention
planters
with
the
the
paving
patterns
and
the
cut
through
in
between
to
kind
of
create.
This
rhythm
of
urban
by
our
attention
is
three
trees.
S
And
this
is
our
last
image,
which
is
kind
of
repeating
now,
during
the
day.
Well,
the
faceted
columns
the
faceted
building
and
the
multi-faceted
open
space
that
kind
of
speak
at
unison
for
this
project.
I'm
pretty
excited
about
it,
just
like
everybody
else
in
this
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
cummings,
and
and
everyone
from
the
applicant.
Anyone
from
staff
want
to
speak
to
the
easement.
O
Commissioner
weir
I
I
did
cover
that
in
my
presentation.
I'm
happy
to
go
back
over
one
more
time
if
we
need
to
just
let
me
get
my
slide
back
up.
Apologies
for
that.
O
No,
no!
No!
No!
No
problem!
Let
me
just
share
my
screen,
so
just
for
the
record,
this
is
a
requested
vacation
for
390
square
feet
of
an
easement
for
street
and
public
purposes.
It's
highlighted
here
in
yellow,
as
shown
on
this
plat,
and
we
would
just
ask
that
if
I
could
I'll
just
fast
forward
here
to
the
to
the
action
that
the
commission
find
that
this
attached
to
ordinance
to
vacation
is
substantially
in
accord
with
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan.
O
A
Thank
you
thank
you
and,
if
I
had
caught
that,
I
probably
would
have
asked
you
to
go
back
over
it
one
more
time
for
the
record
anyway,
but
by
apologies
for
having
it.
H
Yes,
hello.
Okay,
this
this
site
plan
is
different
from
some
of
the
others
because
of
the
biophilia
narrative
and
because
of
some
requests
that
say
that
the
staff
made
during
the
process,
this
plan
is
going
to
have
a
conceptual
landscape
plan.
The
county
board
is
going
to
have
to
approve,
based
on
that,
there
may
be
some
minor
changes
involved
in
the
final
landscape
plan.
Therefore,
you
have
to
learn
review.
H
Is
that
this
conceptual
landscape
plan
that
the
county
is
that
the
republicans
submitted
this
plan
does
not,
unfortunately,
agree
with
them
that
the
buyer
compatibility
standards.
I
think
the
applicant,
the
landscape
doctor
here
basically
does
not
know
what
the
what
the
standards,
what
really
how
the
foot
makers
biophilic
one
of
the
biggest
things
is,
they
have
a
a
check
shiz
list
from
the
sustainability
partners
that
says
designed
for
all
native
plants.
Nevertheless,
every
ground
club
there's
three
of
them
that
are
designed
for
the
pollinators
checkpoints
are
not
native;
they
will
not
support
native
plants.
H
This
is
a
big
issue.
This
is
on
the
ground
floor.
It's
at
mostly
now
there
are
others,
but
another
interesting
thing
about
this.
Is
that
there's
something
that
says:
there's
a
provisional
site
plan,
which
is
a
condition
21-3
that
that
says
the
developer
agrees
to
the
approved
approval
general
landsat
plan.
It
was
further
reasons.
The
final
landscape
plan
and
sequences
structures
have
consistent
with
a
conceptual
final
landscape
plan,
approved
by
the
planning
county
board,
all
site
plan
approved
for
what's
in
all
county
courts,
appliances
and
standards,
associations
and
policies.
H
This
does
not
comply
with
this
there's
a
monarch
pledge
the
county
has
done,
which
is
meant
meant
to
increase
monarch
butterflies.
It's
also
meant
to
increase
pollinators.
It
includes
no
non-native
plants.
It
includes
milkweed
in
this
particular
case,
only
one
for
for
this
site
would
be
esclepius
syriaca
common
milkweed.
H
This
lacks
it
on
no
level
further,
a
lot
of
wind
pollinated
plants
there,
grass
and
sedges
that
do
not
support
pollinators.
So
I
have
these
specific
suggestions
which
we
should
put
here.
Also
the
biofueling
narrative
is
not
included
in
it.
It's
up
to
the
public
to
read:
change
submission
of
sheet
501
l,
501
planting
plant
to
remove
all
native
plants,
not
exclusively
all
non-native
plants,
including
ballast
perennials,
americanalis
and
prunus
low
records,
large
oceans,
replace
these
with
native
grand
ground
covers
and
perennials
that
support
pollinators.
H
None
of
these
should
be
wind,
pollinated,
grasses
and
sedges,
which
do
not
support
pollinators
change,
that
sheet
l,
501
to
add
plantings
of
common
milkweed,
escalators,
syriaca
and
other
plants
that
support
ponies,
the
sidewalk,
the
ground
level
plaza
and
level
3
and
the
rooftop
all
levels
should
have
escalator
syriaca
common
milkweed.
That's
the
only
plant,
that's
what's
monitored
reproduction,
that's
gonna
county!
These
are
important
because
cheat
l105
will
become
part
of
the
conceptual
final
landscape
plan
if
the
county
approved
board
approves
a
psych
plan.
H
This
is
something
you've
never
seen
before,
because
these
have
always
come
come
in
after
the
the
county
board's
approval,
ad
copies
of
the
biophilia
narrative
and
other
lead
gold.
The
baseline
free
records
of
this
project
to
the
site
planner
to
the
county
managers
report
they're.
Not
in
there.
There
are
no
copyright
narrative
and
the
other.
The
prereq
lead
goal
for
pre-orders
is
this
change
will
prevent
the
public
and
the
county
board
to
review
these
documents
in
a
timely
manner.
H
Basically,
right
now
you
do
not
have
the
what
what
the
what
your
glee,
but
the
bonus
density
thing
is,
is
based
on
it's
just
not
in
there.
But
most
importantly,
you
don't
have
common
milkweed.
You
do.
You
have
non-native
plants
in
there
of
the
ground
covers
they
don't
even
have
any
native
pollinated
plants
they
have.
They
have
native
native
wood,
sedges
and
grasses,
which
don't
help
pollinators.
H
So
this
smoothly
needs
a
lot
more
of
these
pollinator
plants
that
insect
bird
pollinated
plants
on
the
ground
level
and
at
every
other
level,
and
especially
common
milkweed
at
every
level,
and
please
that
I
suggest
you
write
this
into
your
your
vote
on
this
to
make
a
recommendation
based
on
this.
Otherwise,
it's
not
going
to
happen
and
when
I
say
they're
going
to
go
to
the
county
board,
they
just
usually
prove
what
you
recommend
anyway,
and
what
the
staff
recommends.
H
Staff
would
might
have
picked
these
things
up
if
it
went
to
their
their
the
people
who
reviewed
their
landscape
plans,
but
this
probably
didn't
but
anyway,
these
are.
These
are
important
points,
because
this
simply
is
not
biophilic,
and
in
the
terms
you
mean
you
don't
put
non-native
plants
at
it
and
expect
to
see
bonus,
density
and
landscape
occurs.
Architects
simply
did
not
know,
apparently
what
native
plants
are
and
what
that
the
plants
that
they
put
in
are
not
native
now.
A
Right,
thank
you,
mr
burn.
Mr
stein,.
T
Hi,
yes,
the
haydn
scale
of
this
project
is
totally
incompatible
with
the
in
between
study.
I
wish,
of
course,
that
carrie
johnson
was
here
to
explain
it
to
you,
but
I
would
at
least
say
a
few
words.
T
You
know
that
was
considered
okay,
but
the
plan
had
specified-
or,
I
should
say,
specific
envelopes
for
sites
and
blocks,
and
it
has
been
very
successful
in
providing
considerable
density
without
causing
the
area
to
be
swallowed
up
by
the
metro
stations.
I
was
involved
in
the
original
site
plan
in
2015.
T
There
was
a
considerable
amount
of
negotiation
that
led
to
the
site
plan
that
was
approved.
It
was
still
quite
a
stretch,
but
various
circumstances
helped
the
fact
that
it
was
the
last
site
to
be
approved
in
the
plan.
The
fact
that
the
proposal
had
been
changed
to
try
and
better
fulfill
the
transitional
nature
of
this
property
and
that
it
involved
allowing
for
historic
preservation,
these
all
contributed
and
others.
At
the
time
I
objected
to
the
co
2.5
zoning
and
the
possibility
that
it
could
go
higher
up
to
16
stories.
T
I
was
told
that
the
only
reason
for
co
2.5
was
to
be
able
to
carry
out
the
density
envisioned
in
the
in-between
study.
They
said
it
was
the
only
tool
in
the
toolbox.
I
asked
if
there
was
a
way
to
have
different
district.
There
was
a
the
for
the
area,
but
it
did
not
happen
and
they
referred
to
again
to
us
that
this
was
the
last
site
to
approve
this
site
plan.
You
are,
in
effect,
removing
it
from
the
in
between
and
putting
it
in
the
courthouse
area.
T
That
would
be
one
thing,
but
it
does
not
in
any
way
act
as
a
sufficient
transition
from
courthouse
or
within
the
site.
I
also
want
to
associate
myself
with
what
leslie
arminsky
will
be
saying
on
behalf
of
rafam,
and
specifically
I
want
to
ask
for
you
to
maximize
affordable
units
and
to
provide
them
all
on
site,
and
I
hope
for
more,
like
75
years,
instead
of
30.
T
B
Well,
I
I
grew
up
in
this
neighborhood
and
I'm
excited
about
this
project
too,
because
after
living
in
california
and
michigan
for
many
years,
I
came
back
here
because,
unlike
those
places
here,
I'm
able
to
live
without
a
car
because
of
metro
and
other
transportation
options
and
because
arlington
has
over
the
years,
built
great
walkable
places,
and
I
see
this
project
as
part
of
that
ongoing
effort.
B
B
I
think
it's
terrific
that
there
will
be
only
0.32
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
and
I
hope
and
expect
that
we'll
see
even
lower
ratios
in
the
future.
I
choose
a
car
free
lifestyle
to
reduce
my
carbon
footprint
and
because
it's
simpler
and
more
convenient.
If
you
live
in
an
area
that,
like
this
place,
is
walkable,
I
think
it's
pretty
good
that
there's
going
to
be
almost
4
000
square
feet
of
retail.
B
On
the
ground
floor,
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
the
residential
lobby
and
amenities
off
the
ground
floor
to
make
room
for
more
retail.
More
retail
makes
a
place
like
this
more
walkable,
it's
more
convenient
for
people
who
live
around
here
when
there
are
more
destinations
within
the
same
short
walk.
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
project
progress
from
these
renderings
to
a
real-life
building,
hopefully
with
more
retail,
and
to
seeing
many
more
like
it
in
the
coming
years.
C
U
U
The
studies
state
quote
nine
stories
down
to
five
for
six
at
western.
It
goes
on
to
say
in
part,
quote
a
reasonable
rise
in
height
that
street
corners
should
be
permitted
to
create
visual
interest
in
building
identity.
Unquote,
we
can
have
a
debate
on
what
is
reasonable,
but
165
feet
is
60
about
60
percent
higher
than
what
the
study
envisioned,
irrespective
that
it
is
only
18
bit
higher
than
the
car
property
site
plan.
U
At
the
november
18
sprc
meeting,
I
asked
the
developer's
representative
what
the
target
market
was
for
rentals
at
the
wendy
site
and
what
rental
rates
would
be
set.
The
attorney
nick
cummings
for
the
property
said
that
the
market
would
be
anyone
willing
to
pay
the
market
rate
for
similar
new
luxury
rentals
in
the
roslin
to
boston
corridor.
U
U
U
Well,
there
are
plethora
of
transportation
modalities
and
the
location
is
nearly
on
top
of
the
clarinet.
There
is
no
mainstream
large
grocery
deal
nearby.
The
stores
might
be
nearby
offer
more
of
our
niche
market
or
stall.
With
current
selections,
the
largest
stores
are
located
on
langston
boulevard,
carrying
a
load
of
groceries.
That
distance
will
not
be
attractive
to
renters
at
that
price
price
and
carrying
forces
on
metro
can
be
challenged.
U
U
People
who
can
afford
these
runs
want
electric
vehicles,
while
reducing
the
carbon
footprint
when
compared
to
internal
combustion
engines.
Putting
in
building
infrastructure
now
will
avoid
cost
retrofits
in
the
future.
If
the
goalless
carbon
neutrality,
electric
vehicles
are
preferred,
then
this
this
need
has
acknowledged,
seek
to
e2
and
the
transportation
committee.
I
heard
a
lot
of
claims
finger-pointed
directed
toward
dominion
energy
as
far
as
getting
infrastructure
in
place
with
no
solutions.
Thus
far
shifting
over
to
affordable
house
development
has
promised
12
committed,
affordable
units
outside
represents
about
five
percent
refund.
U
A
Do
we
have,
let
me
go
first,
do
we
have
any?
I
I
see
that
there
are
two
people
on
the
agenda
representing
c2e2.
Is
that
that's
not
normally
the
case
madame.
C
No,
a
commission
aware
it
is
not
normally
the
case,
but,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
I
will
allow
the
two
of
them
to
decide
if
they're
on
the
call
at
this
moment
to
hear
my
voice
to
decide
which
one
is
going
to
speak.
Thank
you.
C
V
V
Arlington
county
has
a
stated
target
of
net
zero
emissions
by
2050
and
buildings
being
such
a
big
portion
of
our
emissions.
Obviously
they
represent
the
greatest
and
fastest
way
to
achieve
our
targets.
So
what
the
c2e2
does
is
we
participate
in
the
sprc's?
V
We
score
the
the
projects
in
their
ability
to
meet
the
cep,
targets
that
net
zero
target
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
we
take
it
pretty
seriously.
I
do
want
to
say
that
this
applicant
did
come
and
meet
with
the
c2e2,
and
so
I
want
to
commend
them
for
that.
Most
applicants
don't,
and
so
we're
really
happy
that
they
came
and
talked
about
the
project
and
talked
about
some
of
the
challenges
they
have.
V
V
We
score
this
project
at
58
percent,
so
not
a
great
score
in
terms
of
taking
the
necessary
steps
to
meet
the
stated
goals
of
the
county.
V
I'll
give
a
little
bit
more
detail.
This
project
meets
the
green
building
incentive
policy
baseline
required
for
energy
efficiency
improvements
over
the
ashrae
baseline
and
has
a
planned
energy
star
rating
of
80.
at
least
25
percent
improvement
in
energy
efficiency
would
be
better.
The
amazon
pen
place
project
expects
to
achieve
over
30
percent
energy
efficiency
improvement,
demonstrating
what
is
possible
when
energy
efficiency
is
built
into
the
building
design
from
the
outset.
V
V
Technology
supporting
all
electric
systems
is
by
and
large
proven,
although
not
commonly
used
in
our
area
and
with
careful
design.
Full
electrification
can
be
achieved
in
multi-family
buildings
of
this
size
as
soon
as
the
county
achieves
its
100
renewable
electricity
goal,
which,
by
the
way
it's
on
its
way
to
achieving
all
electrified
buildings
in
arlington,
will
be
operationally
carbon
neutral,
while
buildings
still
using
fossil
fuels
will
not
all
electric
buildings
also
will
improve
public
health
and
safety
by
eliminating
a
major
source
of
indoor,
air
pollution
and
risk
of
fire
and
explosion.
V
According
to
the
project's
lead
scorecard,
there
is
considerable
room
to
improve
on
the
selection
of
environmentally
sustainable
materials.
That
means
materials
that
they
use
during
the
construction.
In
particular,
the
applicant
should
seek
out
materials
that
are
lower,
embedded
carbon
to
further
reduce
the
building's
life
cycle.
Carbon
emissions,
reducing
carbon
emissions
in
construction
will
contribute
to
near-term
greenhouse
gas
reductions
needed
to
meet
the
need
for
rapid
reductions
over
the
next
eight
years.
V
We
urge
the
developer
further
to
aim
for
leed
platinum,
certifications
and
to
conduct
a
full
zero
carbon
building
assessment
to
identify
a
pathway
to
making
the
building
zero
carbon
at
the
outset
at
the
minimum.
The
building
should
be
designed
with
the
electrical
infrastructure
to
allow
for
full
building
electrification
in
the
future.
V
V
We
urge
the
county
to
ask
the
applicant
to
move
into
the
forefront
by
offering
a
climate-friendly
building
with
this
project.
Now
we
have
also
submitted
a
detailed
letter
with
a
very
detailed
assessment
and
how
we
got
to
our
score.
I
believe
the
commission,
the
planning
commission,
has
a
copy
of
that
letter.
If
you
don't,
please
let
me
know
and
I'll
be
happy
to
email
it
to
you.
Personally,
we've
also
sent
it
to
the
board
again,
we
take
these
recommendations
and
the
writing
and
the
writing
of
our
recommendations
pretty
seriously.
A
W
A
Effie,
commissioner,
tell
me:
let
me
go
to
you
before
we
go
to
the
commission.
J
Sure
this
was
before
the
transportation
commission
last
thursday
and
transportation.
Commission
first
did
make
finding
that
the
proposed
vacation
is
consistent
with
the
master
transportation
plan
and
voted
in
favor
voted
to
prove
that
unanimously.
As
far
as
the
project
goes,
there
are
a
number
of
transportation
improvements
that
we
are
getting
from
this
project.
The
transportation
commission
was
very
impressed
with
those
we
will
be
getting
widened
sidewalks
we
will
and
not
just
around
the
site
itself,
but
also
across
the
street.
J
We
will
be
getting
two
protected
bike
lanes,
part
of
the
the
continued
growth
of
protected
bike
lanes
on
wilson
and
clarendon
boulevards.
J
The
parking
ratio
is
is
low
and
which
is
appropriate
for
a
building
that
is
just
a
block
from
a
metro
entrance
and
a
number
of
bus
lines,
as
well
as
as
as
capital
bike
share
stations.
J
You
know
all
of
these
things
come
together
to
be
a
transportation
bonanza
to
a
certain
extent,
combined
with
the
landmark
project
across
the
street.
This
whole
area
will
have
numerous
transportation
improvements
that
will
help
rationalize
a
number
of
the
legacy
weirdnesses
of
the
clarendon
wilson
combination.
That
was
done
a
number
of
years
ago,
so
all
that
is
to
the
good.
I
note
that
you
know
I
was
at
that
meeting
and
I
did
not
hear
anybody
on
transportation.
J
Commission
state
that
there
is
oh,
there
is
parking
on
the
street
that
people
could
use.
What
we
did
note
is
that
this
that
there
is
parking
in
other
buildings
around
the
area,
there's
available,
structure
parking
nearby
that
could
be
utilized
by
people
in
this
building
and
that,
I
think,
is
noted
in
the
report.
J
I
did
not
recall
anybody
saying
that
people
in
this
building
could
park
on
the
street
so
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
correct
that,
but
otherwise,
as
noted
transportation,
commission
voted
unanimously
to
approve
this
project
and
that's
my
reward.
Thank
you.
X
Thank
you
chair
where
I
don't
have
too
much
to
add.
This
has
been
a
very
thorough
presentation
and
the
process,
I
think,
was
fairly
thorough.
Also
I'd
like
to
thank
staff.
They
did
a
good
job,
the
applicant
and
my
co-chair
nia
bagley
in
particular,
for
helping
through
the
process.
X
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
So
just
I
I
think
it
from
from
your
written
report
and
from
what
we've
been
hearing
so
far.
I
think
that
the
breakdown
of
the
initial
breakdown
of
topics
sounds
like
building
height,
building
massing
architecture
and
open
space
and
plaza,
potentially
breaking
out
plantings
and
biophilia
issues
from
open
space
and
plaza,
but
I
suspect
we
can
at
least
start
by
taking
them
together.
Are
there
any
other
topics
that
anyone
would
like
to
add
or
break
out.
A
All
right
is
that,
like
construction
and
staging
transportation,
issues
or
or.
N
Like
safety
impacts,
I
think
more
tour.
I
think
you
know
the
last
time
when
we
had
a
conversation
about
the
landmark
project.
There
were
some
discussions
about
an
access
road
and
also
just
concerns
around
pedestrian
and
just
safety
for
every
mode
of
transport.
I
don't
know
why
my
camera's
not
getting
well,
I
apologize
so
I
just
wanted
to
I.
I
have
a
comment
or
a
thought
about
that
too.
Okay,.
M
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner,
I'd
like
to
add
community
benefits,
since
this
project
makes
a
substantial
community
benefits,
contribution
and
energy
energy
questions.
A
Community
benefits
and
energy
questions
all
right.
No
other
cameras,
no
hands
we'll
start
with
building
height.
Are
there,
commissioner?
Bagley?
Let
me
go
to
you.
First
before
I
go
to
building
height.
Y
Thank
you.
This
might
be
more
of
a
just
a
question.
Would
bird
friendly
glass
question
come
up
in
architecture
or
would
it
come
up
and
where
would
it
come
up.
A
Thank
you
again,
just
commissioner
raphael
before
as
you
as
you
drop
off.
Thank
you
for
presenting
commissioner
bagley.
Let's
put
it
in
architecture,
and
if
we
decide
that
we
want
to
split
it
out,
we
can
we
can
do
that
when
we
get
there
perfect
so
on
building
height.
Are
there
any
commissioners
who
have
questions
or
or
comments
prefer
to
start
with
questions,
but
we
can
go
to
comments
right
away
if,
if
there
aren't
many.
N
Okay,
so
again,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
why
my
camera
is
not
working,
but
I
do
have
I
wanted
to
say
from
the
outset.
I
think
the
I
think
the
proposal,
the
plan,
the
building
all
of
it
is
beautiful.
The
community
benefits
the
biophilia.
I
think
all
of
it
is
lovely.
I
do
have
one
question,
though,
when
we
are
doing
some
of
these
projects,
these
larger
projects,
are
we
considering
like
that
area
has
a
lot
of
tall
buildings,
and
so
are
we
considering
like
what
the
wind
is
going
to
do
in
this
area?
N
N
Anyone
I
I
don't
I
it's
such
a
weird
question.
I
know,
but
I
just
you
know,
I
work
down
there
a
lot
and
I
you
know
you're
down
there
I
mean
sometimes
on
a
windy
day.
Some
of
these
doors
don't
even
close
when
they
just
stay
open
and
things
are
flying
about,
and
so
this
is,
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
building
to
be
anchored
on
the
other
side.
You
know
with
the
corner
of
beech
and
wilson
and
clarendon.
N
I
mean
it's
a
great
kind
of
both
of
these
buildings
kind
of
work
off
of
each
other,
but
it's
a
big
wind
tunnel
down
that
in
that
area.
Now.
O
Well,
it
you
know
today
was
a
windy
day
also
for
those
who
was
were
outside
so
yeah.
I
understand
I
understand
the
question
I
might
I
might
defer
to
the
applicant
in
a
second
to
see
if
they
took
anything
into
consideration.
O
I
would
say
that
we
would
do
that
in
this
in
the
instance,
where
you
know
wind
tunnel
effect
or
concerns
around
that
regard
are
captured
in
our
planning
policy
documents
that
that's
not
something
that
is
covered
in
the
the
urban
design
study.
So
it's
not
something
that
we,
we
really
analyze
or
take
into
consideration
or
sort
of
agnostic
on
that.
O
So
that's
that's
the
the
answer
from
us
I
did
want
to,
though
I
guess
allow
the
opportunity,
if,
if
nick
cummings
or
john
banner
have
something
that
they
wanted
to
add
about
what
they've
taken
into
consideration.
With
regard
to
that
aspect,
I
I
would
yield
it
over
to
you
thanks.
P
Yeah,
I
I
am
going
to
defer
to
mr
steve
smith
from
cooper
carrie,
our
head
architect,
and
then,
mr
beinert,
if
you
know
anything
about
the
wind,
you
go
right
ahead.
Sir.
W
Yeah,
I
you
know,
I
think
I
always
say
life
is
relative.
I
grew
up
outside
of
chicago,
so
when
I
think
about
chicago
and
the
highrises
there
in
the
windy
city,
this
is
something
that
I
that
I
think
is
doesn't
compare
to
that
whatsoever.
W
W
You
get
you
get
days
that
they
are
very
windy,
I
mean,
and
you
get
doors
that
sometimes
I
heard
you
mention
that
we
have
code
requirements,
that
the
doors
have
really
minimal
five
pound
pull
and
push
on
them.
So
you
know
with
that
sometimes
holds
them
open
as
well,
but
I
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
anything
significant
here.
N
So
I
I'm
just
going
to
follow
up.
I
I
I.
This
is
an
area,
mr
watson,
that
I
am
concerned
about
just
kind
of
moving
forward
when
we
think
about
these
buildings
like
in
this
particular
area
in
courthouse,
we
are
facing
a
lot.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
you
know
with
with
the
wind
and
what
the
impact
is
on
the
wind.
This
is
a
really
public-facing
area.
N
We've
got
the
courthouse,
we've
got
the
you
know,
bosman,
building,
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
you
know
public
benefits
or
needs
that
that
are
occupied
by
these
spaces,
and
so
I
I
think
that
you
know.
I
understand
that
in
planning-
sometimes
we're
not
thinking
about
that,
but
maybe
we
should
be
sorry.
I've
got
background
noise
too.
Maybe
we
should
be
thinking
about
about
these
issues,
because
I
think
it
does
ultimately
affect
the
individual
who
is
going
to
be
enjoying
these
spaces
and
I
being
a
person
that
it
enjoys
these
spaces.
N
I
mean
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
architecture,
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
the
public
space,
the
greenery
and
all
of
that,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we
are
facing
climate
change.
We
are
having
windier
days,
we
are
having
these
kind
of
weather
phenomena
pop
up,
and
so
I
think
that
maybe
in
our
planning
processes
going
forward,
we
should
be
thinking
about
some
of
that
too.
O
Oh
yeah,
no,
I
I.
I
appreciate
that.
No,
I
didn't
want
to
to
make
a
sound
like
we
shouldn't
be
thinking
about
that.
I
simply
meant,
and
we'll
definitely
take
that,
take
that
back.
I
just
meant
that
you
know
there.
There
perhaps
could
be
more
discussion
around
that
in
the
long
range
planning
phase
to
sort
of
think
about
what
criteria
or
benchmarks
you'd
be
setting
to
then
weigh.
O
You
know
a
site
plan
against
which
would
be
part
of
the
problem
of
evaluating
this
so
appreciate
the
comment
and
definitely
we'll
take
that
back.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
patel,
for
raising
that.
I
think
that
it
is
an
extremely
it
is
something
you
hear
a
lot.
People
complain
about
about
wind
tunnel
effects
and-
and
I
I
always
wonder
whether
or
not
it's
something
that
discourages
people
from
being
part
of
activity-
that's
happening
in
an
area,
and
I
wonder
if
anything
can
be
done
about
it,
should
we
move
to
building
massing.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
we're.
I
was
interested
in
hearing
a
little
bit
more
elaboration
on
why
the
setback
as
recommended
in
the
guidance
would
make
this
infeasible.
K
I
know
commissioner
sarley
had
suggested
something
like
a
two-foot
setback
and
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
from
staff,
maybe
that
head
of
urban
design
chris
kreider
about
what
kind
of
analysis
went
into
this,
that
determined
it
would
be
infeasible
and
then
maybe
the
applicant
can
weigh
in
I'm
concerned
in
the
courthouse
landmark
building.
I
thought
it
was
a
more
successful
transition
in
in
some
respects,
to
the
historic
environment
and
I'm
just
sort
of
curious
as
why
the
applicant
didn't
feel
like
they
could
continue
that
approach
just
right
down
the
block.
O
Thanks,
commissioner
morton,
I
don't
know,
I
I'm
happy
to
address
your
question.
I
guess
the
first
thing
I
would
say
is
you
know
it's
up
to
the
applicant
to
you
know
to
provide
that.
We
certainly
welcomed
and
encouraged
there
being
some
kind
of
a
step
back
and
I'm
assuming
we're
talking,
particularly
here
above
the
second
floor.
I
think
the
point
that
we're
trying
to
make
and
why
we
are
accepting
of
this.
O
This
particular
deviation-
is
that
the
site-specific
guideline
for
this
particular
site
was
that
there
be
horizontal
treatment
at
the
top
of
the
second
floor,
to
relate
to
the
buildings
across
the
street,
and
the
applicant
is
doing
that
with
a
horizontal
band
material
change
to
brick
there
above
the
second
floor
in
terms
of
the
step
back.
That's
an
area-wide
guideline
that
would
apply
to,
as
you
said,
any
site
within
the
study
area.
O
I
think
there
is
something
to
be
said
for
the
fact
that
this
this
site
is
uniquely
shaped
and,
in
particular
small
and
narrow,
at
the
middle.
It's
about
80
feet
wide,
so
a
20
foot
setback
would
would
potentially
be
infeasible
now,
a
smaller
one
that
that
may
that
may
work
better,
but
again,
you're
running
up
against
that
issue,
where
you
have
a
height
limit
and
you
have
additional
density
above
the
base
with
the
transferable
development
rights
that
are
vested
here
as
well.
So
it's
it's.
O
I
would
say
it's
a
balance
of
all
of
those
things.
Ultimately,
we
felt
that
this
was
meeting
the
site,
specific
guidelines
that
were
required
there,
not
that
we
we
wouldn't
have
accepted
it.
You
know
to
a
two-foot
setback
above
the
podium,
but
that's
that
was
the
staff
analysis
that
that
went
into
that
particular
step
back,
and
I
guess
it
sounded.
Like
part
of
that
question
was
for
the
applicant
as
well,
so
I
will
allow
them
to
respond
if,
if
that's
appropriate,.
W
Yeah
sure
adam
this
is
steve
smith,
cooper,
carey.
You
know
the
the
site
is
the
angle
created
by
the
intersection
of
wilson
and
clarendon
it's
ten
percent
narrower
than
the
flatiron
building
in
new
york
city.
If
that
gives
you
any
sense
of
this,
so
it
is
a
very
tight
site.
W
It's
a
great
site,
it's
a
challenging
site
and
we
as
architects,
respond
to
the
parameters
that
were
put
in
front
of
us
to
try
to
solve
those
problems,
and,
commissioner
morton,
as
you
know,
we
engaged
and
had
a
great
process
over
across
the
street
at
the
courthouse
site
there.
It
is
a
completely
different
block,
its
shape,
its
form,
its
its
scale,
its
size.
W
I
think
its
a
successful
solution
over
there,
where
we
had
opportunities
to
set
back
the
tower
and
even
get
a
a
feel
for
a
a
you
know
about
about
a
25
30
foot
base
that
was
there
around
the
majority
of
that
building
and
it
expressed
itself
in
the
retail
there
that
allowed
it
to
to
communicate,
I
think
more
with
the
buildings
to
the
north
from
from
both
these
sites
in
the
case
of
the
windy
site.
W
Here
you
know
we
were
we
were
we
have
a
minimum,
sidewalk
dimensions
that
we
have
to
create
and
we
were
able
to
sculpt
the
building
so
that
we
raised
it
up
and
and
we're
able
to
get
these
these,
these
a
wider
sidewalks
that
were
desired
from
a
pedestrian
experience,
both
along
clarendon
and
wilson.
W
So
the
building
kind
of
took
the
opposite.
Instead
of
having
a
base
that
popped
out
and
a
tower
that
came
in,
we
had
a
base
that
pulled
in
to
give
that
pedestrian
feel
at
that
scale
and
lifted
that
base
up.
So
it
has
a
up
at
the
third
floor.
It
has
a
small
soffit.
If
you
will
it's
there
once
we
start
to
pull
in
the
tower,
it
becomes
something
that
you
know
really
starts
to
diminish
some
of
the
rooms
that
are
in
there
on
both
sides,
obviously,
and
doesn't
make
them
as
workable.
W
We
thought
it
was
a
really
nice
solution
and
that
that
height
with
just
a
little
bit
of
soffit
over
you,
not
only
at
the
plaza
but
even
along
the
lengths
of
of
wilson
and
and
clarendon
there
that
again,
that
height
related
somewhat
when
that
25
plus
feet
to
the
smaller
buildings
to
the
north
of
us
in
its
mass
as
well.
So
that's
what
we
were
trying
to
try
to
solve
with
that
when,
when,
when
a
setback
became
difficult
in
the
north
and
south
facades.
A
Thank
you,
mr
smith.
Commissioner
charlie.
X
Thank
you,
chair
weir.
I
guess
I'll
react
a
little
bit
to
commission,
I
mean
to
the
architect,
mr
smith,
in
talking
about
it,
I
think
yeah,
it's
very
true
that
the
the
unique
site
has
some
difficulties
that
are
inherent.
You
know,
particularly
at
the
at
the
sort
of
pointier
angle.
X
Having
said
that,
I
think
there
are
some
design
solutions
that
we
have
in
our
you
know
little
quiver
that
we
can
sort
of
insinuate
the
notion
of
setback
without
actually
doing
the
setback,
so
I
think
a
little
bit
of
the
sort
of
the
design
intent
and
I
think
it's
about
being
a
little
bit
more
neighborly
through
materials.
You
know-
and
I
and
I
mentioned
two
feet-
setback
those
are
very
effective.
You
know
when
you
have
a
little
setback,
you
switch
materials.
X
You
can
start
to
really
break
down
the
mass
and
make
it
feel
like
it's
significantly
more
relating
to
the
to
the
scale,
particularly
to
the
colonial
village,
to
the
north.
So
so
I
think
yes
he's
correct
that
the
setback
you
know
if
you're
talking,
problematically
and
you're
talking
about
20
feet,
setback,
which
is
our
typical
thing
is,
is
somewhat
unrealistic,
but
I
think
you
have
design
moves
that
you
can
do.
X
The
other
thing
is,
you
can
also,
you
know,
follow
the
contour
and
create
bigger
setbacks
where
there's
a
little
bit
more
room
to
do
it
and
then
break
down
the
mass.
I
think
it
really
is
about
breaking
down
the
mass
and
there's
two
things
that
I
think
would
be
positive
on
that
one
is
a
little
bit
more
neighborly,
as
I
mentioned,
and
the
other
one
is
this
notion
of
the
height.
X
I
think
you
know
when
you
see
that
sheer
sort
of
masonry
you
know
going
up
the
entire
height
of
the
of
the
north
facade
it
becomes.
It
becomes
very
obvious
right,
it's
overbearing,
so
I
think
there
are
some
design
moves
that
could
happen
on
this.
That
would
not
deviate
or
take
away
from
the
sort
of
profitability
of
the
project
if
you
will,
but
could
start
to
to
break
down
the
mass
de-emphasize
the
height
and
and
and
relate
to
the
to
the
neighborly
sort
of
the
neighbor,
the
north
neighborhood.
X
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
my
reaction
to
the
point.
Having
said
that,
I
do
recognize
that
it
is
a
difficult
site
and
one
that
requires
a
little
bit
more
creativity
than
sort
of
you
know
the
the
typical
opportunities
that
are
in
a
like,
like
the
the
landmark
site.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
sally
anyone
else
on
massing.
Z
Sorry,
I
just
lost
the
right
page,
hi
and
apologies.
I
guess
my
camera
is
not
working
very
well
at
this
moment
either
I'm
going
to
go
off
camera
because
I
can't
seem
to
quite
get
that
straightened
away.
Z
Z
Want
to
sort
of
just
you
know
reiterate
that
I
I'm
pleased
with
some
of
the
changes
that
you
know.
I
saw
the
communications.
You
know
back,
I
think,
from
december
from
the
the
project
chairs
and
the
commissioner
chairs,
and
I'm
I'm
pleased
with
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made.
I
do
still
wonder
if
there
could
have
been
more
to
address
some
of
the
setbacks
and
the
questions
raised
with
that,
and
it's
always
a
kind
of
a
balancing
act
of
how
we
approach.
Z
You
know,
scaling
and
scoping
to
the
community
around,
and
you
know
with
you
know,
I
I
think
it
is
a
beautiful
building.
I
I
do
still
wonder
if
enough
was
done
to
appreciate
that
transition
to
the
community
surrounding,
and
particularly
the
historic
colonial
village
community,
that
is
next
door.
So
thank
you.
B
A
A
Well,
I
was
all
I
was
doing
was
calling
on
her,
but
but
you're
here
now.
L
Okay,
perfect,
so
I
was
wondering
adam:
can
you
pull
up
the
slide
that
kind
of
showed
the
before
and
after
of
the
public
area,
the
architecture
of
the
public
area,
how
it
changed.
O
L
Like
for
patio
and
then
out
the
new
design,
sure,
yes,
okay,
so
I
think
this
is
it
so
my
question
is
there?
Is
this
our
pretty
artistic
pivot
that
is
happening
on
the
left
side
of
the
picture
on
the
the
revised
photo?
L
And
I
was
wondering
why
that
pivot
up
is
happening
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
the
south
side
of
the
building?
And
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
architect.
Why
is
the
pivot
happening
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
versus
the
south
side
of
the
building?
Because
I
imagine
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
let
more
light
in
and
the
sun
is
on
the
south
side
of
the
building?
L
And
so
then
that
also
kind
of
made
me
question
like
some
of
the
pictures
that
we've
seen
seem
to
have
the
sun
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
building
like
looking
at
this
revised
picture,
it's
showing
the
sun
on
the
in
the
north
part
of
the
sky,
because
you
see
the
shadows
of
the
column
kind
of
falling
to
the
right
side
of
the
picture,
but,
like
the
sun
goes
from
east
to
west.
L
In
the
southern
part
of
the
sky,
so
the
shadows
should
be
going
the
other
way
and
looking
at
the
shadow
study
that
was
in
the
staff
report,
those
shadow
studies
look
correct,
but
like
a
lot
of
these
visualizations
that
were
in
the
presentation,
look
like
the
sun
is
in
the
wrong
part
of
the
sky.
O
Commissioner,
I
could
I
could
respond
just
real
quick
on
one
part
of
that.
I
think
you're,
talking
about
how
the
the
soffit
you
know
turns
up
there
on
the
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
image.
Well,
it
it's
completely
actually
shaved
away
on
the
clarendon
boulevard
side,
so
there's
there's
more
direct
direct
light
onto
the
plaza
from
there,
but
I
would
I
would
defer
to
the
applicant,
for
you
know
the
angling
of
that,
and
and
also
with
regard
to
the
rendering
or
the
sun
angle,.
W
Steve
again,
I
think
it's
a
good
observation,
I'm
looking
at
that
now.
I
do.
I
believe,
if
I
remember
looking
at
some
points
in
the
in
the
you
know
the
june
21st.
We
look
at
four
different
studies,
the
shortest
longest
in
the
two
equinox
days,
as
we
study
through
these
shadow
studies
that
we
do
kind
of
come
around
to
the
north.
The
sprc
version
that
you
see
on
the
left
had
a
a
majority
of
that
facade
was
parallel
to
the
courthouse
elevation
at
that
point
and
I
think
to
adam's.
W
What
the
point
adam
was
trying
to
make
is
that
we
took
that
building
and
then
started
to
slice.
If
you
will
and
chamfer
is
the
operable
word
these
days
on
this
concept,
the
northwest
corner,
so
that
it
angled
back
to
allow
more
light
and
air
in
into
it
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
yeah
there
is
some
shadows
that
seem
to
be
pointing
a
little
bit
to
the
to
the
south,
as
opposed
to
emanating
from
the
south
there.
But
you
know
that
that
was.
W
L
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
you
think
this
is
the
best
design
for
allowing
light
in
which
had
been
previously
raised
as
a
concern
that
this
kind
of
patio
would
be
too
dark.
This
is
the
best
design
to
let
the
maximum
amount
of
light
in
us.
You
know
knowing
that
this
the
sun
is
going
to
be
in
the
southern
part
of
the
sky,.
W
Certainly,
yes-
and
I
think
you
know
the
the
height
of
it
overall
is-
is
something
that
we
studied
with
staff
very
significantly
had
a
lot
of
conversations
even
went
out
to
the
site
and
looked
at
it
again
with
the
surrounding
buildings
and
that
height
of
the
canopy
there
is
one
that
starts
to,
and
and
also
running
along,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
a
few
minutes
ago
at
that
base
at
three
stories
up
is,
it
starts
to
relate
to
what's
just
to
the
north
of
us
and
you
get
the
sense
of
a
level
of
enclosure.
W
I
think
that
will
be
important
and
certainly
it
you
know
ex.
I
think,
extend
the
time
that
you'll
have
outdoor
space
because
of
the
where
that
height
is
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it'll
it'll
feel
like
enclosure
it'll
be
able
to
hold
a
little
more
heat
when
it's
colder
outside
in
the
fall,
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
little
bit
more
successful.
W
You
know
both
day
and
night,
there,
the
the
benches
have
a
real
playfulness
to
them.
Some
are
under
the
under
the
overhang,
some
are
outside
the
overhang
and,
and
you
can
be
inward
focused
or
you
can
look
out
to
the
the
rest
of
the
community.
It's
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
dynamic
space
for
for
what
is
really
a
a
rather
small
plaza,
it's
not
a
huge
grand
st
peter's
lake
plaza
or
anything.
W
There's
there's
also
that
whole
ground
floor
expression
that
two
stories
that's
there
wrapping
around
the
building
differentiates
itself
from
the
brick
that's
up
above
and
our
easternmost
setback
that
we
have
above
the
tent
floor
is
more
significant
than
what
was
approved
in
2015,
and
we
have
a
glass
element
up
there
that
that
changes
materials
as
well.
To
give
some
relief,
I
think,
to
the
to
the
overall
mass,
as
well
as
the
the
architecture
and
the
materials
thanks
pleasure.
Y
Thank
you.
I
first,
I
do
appreciate
the
sort
of
like
the
unbulking
of
the
plaza
and
really
making
it
feel
as
though
it
will
be
a
little
lighter
and
not
just
later,
in
terms
of
bringing
more
allowing
more
light
in
but
later
in
terms
of
just
the
materials.
Y
So
I
I
do
appreciate
that
I
also
wanted
to
ask,
and
can
you
pull
up
the
slide
that
shows
like
the
the
facade
on
the
western
side,
where
it's
like
the
sheer
glass?
Y
I
know
that
this
project
has
met
the
current
guidance
that
we
have
for
bird
friendly
glass,
but
I
am
a
little
concerned.
That's
the
one!
I
am
a
little
concerned
that
you
know,
as
you
see,
that
glass
and
while
I
I
believe
that
this
building
is
incredibly
dramatic
and
very
different,
and
it's
stunning
in
some
regards
and
fascinating
now,
with
the
the
way
that
the
architecture
is
at
the
base
there.
Y
But
I
am
concerned
that
you
know
this
building
kind
of
fades
into
the
sky
at
times,
and
while
we
have
now
some
guidance
that
the
you
know,
this
proposal
has
met
in
terms
of
bird
friendly.
I
am
a
little
concerned
that
perhaps
it's
not
enough
in
this
case,
given
the
extent
of
the
glass
here-
and
I
don't
really
know
what
to
do
about
that,
but
I
am
just
concerned
about
it
and
I
figured
this
is
a
better
place
than
not
no
place
to
raise
it.
Y
You
know
birds
can't
quite
differentiate
the
way
we
can.
We
can
look
at
this
and
say
well.
This
is
really
dramatic
and
incredible,
and
but
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
that
and
again,
I'm
sort
of
stuck
with
the
the
system
as
it
is
now
that
this
is
within
the
allowable
guidance.
But
it
is
something
that
I
believe
that
down
the
road
we
may
have
to
address,
and
you
know
if
we
find
that
this
glass
is
all
of
a
sudden.
Y
A
Bagley
commissioner
kieran.
I
I
However,
the
impetus
for
all
of
this
began
with
an
architect
in
dc
several
years
ago,
who
was
concerned
she
and
her
colleagues
with
all
of
the
dead
birds
that
they
found
at
the
base
of
the
buildings.
So
I
share
commissioner
bagley's
concerns,
and
probably
those
of
the
architect
as
well.
You
don't
want
to
have
a
beautiful
building
like
this
and
then
have
it
be
known.
I
As
you
know,
the
bird
you
know
massacre
site,
so
I
want
to
encourage
you-
and
perhaps
you
already
have
this
in
your
plans-
to
be
cognizant
of
this
and
and
monitor
how
the
building
is
doing
with
regard
to
bird
strikes,
it's
a
serious
issue
and
across
the
globe,
but
certainly
in
areas
like
ours,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
buildings
tall
buildings
made
of
glass.
We
have
a
lot
of
light
pollution,
that's
also
disorienting
to
the
birds,
and
we
are
on
a
migratory
flyway,
so
we're
particularly
creating
a
hazard
for
the
birds.
R
Yeah
that'd
be
great.
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
get
on
board
with
the
whole
raising
hand
thing.
So.
One
thing
to
notice
to
point
out:
we
hired
christine
shepard
of
the
american
bird
conservative
conservancy
to
consult
on
this
project
just
knowing
kind
of
the
design
intent
that
we
were
going
for
so
she's
had
input.
R
She
helps
all
the
county
on
their
bert
friendly
glass
policies,
so
she's
reviewed
the
design
is
consistent
with
our
recommendation
and
actually
recommended
that
we
could
lower
the
amount
of
bird
glass
from
the
county
requirement.
But
you
know
we're
going
to
meet
that
absolute
requirement
either
way
so
understand
the
concern,
but
we've
done
what
we
think
is
the
necessary
steps
to
ensure
that
we're
we're
doing
the
right
thing
for
the
birds
and
the
building.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
benner.
Anything
else
on
architecture,
or
should
we
go
to
open
space
and
plaza.
A
Let's
go
to
open
space
and
plaza,
then
I
I
will
defer
to
commission.
I
have
a
question
but
I'll
defer
to
those
who
are
raising
their
hands.
Commissioner,
land
tell
me,
starting
with
you.
J
Yeah,
I'm
very
much
pleased
by
the
cha
and
and
impressed
by
the
change
in
the
plaza,
and
it's
really
sort
of
combined
everything
that
whole
western
edge
end
of
the
building
from
earlier
iterations
to
the
one
that
we're
seeing
now.
J
This
dramatic
change
there
in
that
it's
a
much
more
integrated
and
sophisticated
design
than
the
first
ones,
and
I
see
around
the
plaza
that
that
design
to
me
reads
much
more
biophilic
in
the
sense
that
the
columns
now
are
almost
randomly
placed
and
not
being
straight
up
and
down
it.
Almost
it's
an
echo
of
a
forest,
the
the
plantings
around
it,
the
the
seating.
J
All
of
those
things
work
very
well
together
that
such
that
I
think
that
I
I
I
basically
take
my
hat
off
to
to
the
the
designers
on
this
and
the
sbrc
for
working
to
make
this
happen.
It's
it's
it's
it's!
I
see
it
as
being
quite
well
done
and
I'm
very
happy
to
to
have
seen
that
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
chair
weir.
I,
like
my
colleague,
appreciate
the
evolution
of
the
plaza
columns.
I
do
think
it's
successful
in
many
ways
so
kudos
to
the
applicant
staff
and
the
chair
chair
for
continuing
to
encourage
that
refined
vision.
K
K
I
am
concerned
particularly
given,
as
mr
smith
just
said,
it
it's
not
a
huge
space
and
stat
the
staff
report
on
page
17
talks
about
the
potential
for
a
future
use
permit
for
a
restaurant.
So
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
about
that.
Would
there
be
some
sort
of
maximum
percentage
of
the
plaza
and
I
was
sort
of
I
don't
want
to
say
wincing
I
was
regretting
seeing
how
well
thought
out
the
plaza
and
the
texture
ways
were
knowing
that
part
of
it
may
be
blocked
off.
K
So
I'm
wondering
given
the
significance
of
this
as
a
gateway
and
the
public
plaza
being
an
important
part
of
our
planning
guidance
again.
I
know
this
will
come
up
again,
possibly
for
another
hearing,
but
it
can.
We
establish
up
front.
Is
there
a
maximum
percentage
of
that
space
that
could
be
privatized
for
sort
of
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
and
how
can
we
continue
to
ensure
that
it
reads
and
functions
as
a
public
space
before
we
even
accept
something
to
go
out
for
a
hearing?
K
Is
there
are
there
some
performers
that
were
not
even
gonna,
you
know,
accept
a
subpar
application
form.
So
thank
you.
O
Yeah
thanks,
commissioner
morton,
I
would
just
say
all
the
things
that
you
just
mentioned
are
certainly
things
that
go
into
staff
when
they're
evaluating
those
use
permits
for
an
outdoor
cafe
within
a
public
plaza.
There's
no
at
this
point
in
time.
You
know
percentage
of
the
plaza
that
you
know
is
sort
of
like
envisioned
for
outdoor
seating
or
set
aside
for
for
anything
anything.
O
In
that
regard,
I
would
say,
with
other
site
plan
projects,
there
have
been
instances
where
a
certain
area
of
of
the
easement
or
the
plaza
area
has
sort
of
been
identified
as
being
an
area
a
zone
sort
of
in
which
the
county
board
might
consider
there
being
a
future
use
permit
for
an
outdoor
cafe,
because
that's
just
a
completely
different
process.
O
The
applicant
needs
to
establish
a
restaurant
tenant
first,
they
need
to
have
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
the
indoor,
dining
etc,
but
there
has
been
a
precedent
for
that
with
with
other
projects
which
could
be
potentially
something
that
we
we
could
investigate
with
doing
with
with
this
one
as
well
just
to
sort
of
establish
sort
of
more
of
a
boundary.
I
guess
you
might
say
up
front
for
where
that
might
be.
However,
that
being
said,
I
I
also
don't
know
what
the
applicant's
intent
exactly
is
here.
O
I
I've
I've
heard
mentioned
that
this
would
just
want
to
be
flexible
public
seating,
so,
regardless
of
whether
you're
in
which,
which
of
course
doesn't
require
a
use
permit
if
it's
just
open
to
the
public
and
is
not
being
you
know,
set
aside
or
reserved
for
a
restaurant
there
too,
so
that
would
that
will
be
what
it
is
moving
forward
until
such
time
as
there's
a
you
know,
use
permit
that
comes
forward,
but
I
hope
that
kind
of
answers.
The
question
how
we've
approached
it.
K
L
Hello,
I
had
a
follow-up
question
from
one
of
the
sprc
meetings,
which
was
about
the
dog
relief
areas
or
pet
relief
areas,
and
considering
how
beautiful
this
area
is
with
all
the
biophilia.
L
I
could
imagine
that
if
there
aren't
designated
pet
relief
areas,
people
may
just
take
their
pets,
you
know
everywhere
and
that
might
kill
some
of
the
beautiful
species
that
you
have
curated
for
this
site.
So
I
was
wondering
about
that.
I
had
asked
this
question.
I
think
back
in
november
or
october,
at
the
sprc
meeting.
R
Sure
thanks,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
pretty
mindful
of
kind
of
creating
that
barrier
within
the
public
space
to
make
sure
that
it
does
stay
nice
and
planted
well
on
the
north
side
on
wilson,
boulevard
we've
actually
doubled
down
on
the
buyer
retention
planters
and
the
tree
pits,
whereas
typically
you
would
have
the
bio,
the
trees
in
the
buyer
retention
planners
so
that
north
side
of
wilson
is
like
extremely,
let's
just
say,
ready
to
receive.
You
know
for
for
the
pets
in
in
those
probably
bio
retention
planners
or
the
tree.
R
Pits
on
that
side
so
definitely
understand
the
concern
and
definitely
want
to.
You
know,
keep
that
kind
of
fenced
off
in
that
public
plaza
and
maintain
as
well
as
possible.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
L
Yeah,
do
you
know,
are
you
anticipating
having
this
being
a
pet-friendly
building
where
the
residents
will
have
pets
that
you
will
kind
of
guide
like
direct
them
where
to
take
their
pets
or.
Y
Those
were
exactly
she
states
it
more
eloquently
than
I
would,
but
what
I
would
hate
to
see
happen
down
the
road
here
after
we've
had
so
many
conversations
about
opening
up
the
plaza
area
and
being
a
small
compact
space
and
providing
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
hang
out
and
just
feel
like
they're
outside
that
we
see
in
a
couple
years
to
come
that
oh
we're
putting
a
restaurant
in
there
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
this
opportunity
is
greatly
diminished.
Y
So
I
would
strongly
encourage
that
we'd
be
thinking
about
something
that
will
protect.
You
know
the
space
as
much
as
possible,
while
you
know
still
giving
an
opportunity
for
retail
if
needed
or
wanted
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
take
that
one
step
further.
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you
chairwear.
I
wanted
to
ask
the
applicant
if
they
could
expand
a
little
bit
on
their
landscaping
plans.
I
know
we
heard
from
one
member
of
the
public
frustration
that
you're
not
using
all
natives
and
some
of
your
landscaping,
but
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
biophilia
and
I
interpret
it
as
connecting
people
with
nature,
as
your
own
landscape
designer
pointed
out,
there's
a
dearth
of
it
for
urban
residents.
I
S
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
appreciate
that
yeah,
the
images
shown
in
the
presentation
was
just
a
flavor
of
what
biophilia,
in
terms
of
the
pop
of
color,
the
textures,
the
smells
and
the
layers
and
all
of
these
things
of
beauty
on
each
plant.
It's
not
a
final
curated
plant
list.
S
S
S
There
are
native
shrubs
in
the
deciduous
category
in
the
evergreen
category
as
well.
So
when
we
create
the
final
plan
in
our
opinion
and
expertise,
is
the
layering
is
the
best
in
commercial
environments
where
you
get
dogs,
people,
people
cutting
through
I
mean
there
are
so
many
things
about
the
the
urban
environment.
They
are
not
in
favor
of
just
something
that
it
could
be
fuel.
You
know
fully
in
nature,
so
we
have
to
be
creative
and
create
and
curate
a
plant
bed.
It
does
have
the
native
plant
palette
in
mind.
S
So
over
time,
those
perennials
even
have
hard
time
coming
back,
so
our
job
is
to
protect
perennials
and
or
some
of
the
more
delicate
plants.
You
know
from
all
of
these,
you
know
happenings
in
the
urban
life,
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
would
be
a
combination
of
all,
and
you
know
we
we
are
in
the
process
of
carrying
the
plan.
Finally,
and
we're
just
gonna
need
to
do
a
little
more
studies
on
sun
exposure,
we're
discussing
you
know
the
the
layering.
S
You
know
what
what
is
the
look
and
feel
with
this
final
column
design?
What
do
we
want
to
be
like
is
such
a
showstopper
in
our
in
our
opinion
and
some
of
the
architectural
features?
How
do
we
celebrate
those
and
not
compete?
At
the
same
time,.
I
S
A
So,
commissioner,
guerin
covered
my
question
in
a
more
adept
way
than
I
would
have
been
able
to,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
defer
to
you.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Are
there
any
other
questions
on
architecture
and
or
biophilia.
A
N
Thank
you.
You
know
when
we
were
what
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
our
prior
conversation
on
what
this
area
is
going
to
look
like
and
whether
the
discussion,
I'm
thinking
about,
is
a
conversation
that
that
commissioner
steinberger
commissioner
morton
and
I
shared
some
concerns
around
a
through
street
and
that
landmark
property,
the
courthouse
area
as
a
public
space
and
then
also
just
thinking
practically
on
a
day-to-day
basis
around
the
number
of
cars
and
scooters
and
bikes
and
people
that
exist
in
this
specific
area.
And
so
my
question
really
goes
to
staff
around.
N
You
know
what
we
asked
this
question
the
last
time
around.
But
what
is
the
county
going
to
be
doing
around
ensuring
that
it
really
has
a
good
handle
around
safety
for
the
movement
of
people,
bikes,
cars
and
any
other
modality
of
traffic
or
transportation
in
this
specific
area,
especially
when
we're
thinking
about
residential
with
this
building,
because
that
what
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
you
know
you
have
arlington
science
focus.
I
guess
it
used
to
be
key
school
right.
There
you've
got
day,
cares
in
and
around
this
area.
N
You
know
you
have
people
using
these
government
buildings,
and
so
all
those
people
come
to
those
spaces
in
different
ways
and
a
lot
of
them
do
include
cars,
and
so
how
are
we
ensuring
that?
What
we're
doing
in
this
space,
with
the
with
the
roads,
the
lane,
the
lanes,
the
sidewalks
and
everything,
are
really
going
to
meet
the
needs
of
what's
happening
down
there.
O
O
AA
Commissioner
patel,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
your
concern
in
this
area.
I'm
robert
gibson
with
orleans
county
des
transportation.
AA
What
we
one
of
the
benefits
of
sort
of
the
timing
of
hearing
the
landmark
block
and-
and
this
proposed
amendment
it
allowed
us
to
build
on
our
broad
multi-modal
transportation
goals
for
for
clarendon.
I'm
sorry
for
courthouse
that
we're
started
with
the
landmark
block.
If
you
look
at
this
you'll
see
a
lot
of
blue
lines
here
in
this
drawing
and
those
represent
the
changes
that
the
landmark
project
was
is
implementing
and
to
build
on
that.
AA
We've
brought
forward
a
series
of
off-site
improvements
shown
here
in
green
that
dovetail
with
the
on-site
improvements
of
wider
sidewalks,
the
plaza
the
new
alley
in
this
image,
and
so
what
we've
been
able
to
do
is
we've
been
able
to
look
at
all
modalities
pad
bike
transit,
auto
ensure
that
there
are
spaces
for
those
users
and
to
bring
best
practices
in
creating
safe
spaces
for
those
different
user
types.
So
we're
integrating
protected
bike
lanes
here.
AA
Those
protected
bike
lanes
help
to
create
a
protected
intersection
here
at
courthouse,
where
there
will
be
shorter
crossing
distance
for
pedestrians.
There's
we
have
new
civilization
going
in.
We
have
new.
AA
We
have
new
floating
bus
stops
here
that
reduce
the
conflicts
between
bikes
and
buses
on
the
east
side
of
the
site,
which
we've
moved
away
from
the
original
bus
stops
that
were
closer
to
the
intersection
because
and
with
them
being
so
close,
we're
allowed
to
move
them
further
away,
we're
taking
advantage
in
this
design
of
the
existing
sidewalks
on
the
east
side
of
the
site
they
cross
through
the
block
to
provide
connectivity
for
pedestrians,
effectively
mid
block
before
this.
This
hill,
going
downhill
towards
clarendon
occurs,
so
so
pedestrians
have
most.
AA
Visibility
is
crossing
at
crossing
these
locations.
So
I
I
hope
this.
This
information
can
help
ensure
that
we're
looking
at
this
across
all
of
the
modes
and
and
this
project,
along
with
its
on-site
improvements,
the
off-site
improvements
will
bring
a
much
safer
part
of
of
courthouse
with
this
redevelopment
and
the
adjacent
redevelopments.
N
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
for
me
what
my
what
my
kind
of
concern
is
like.
When
do
we
look
at
it
to
see
if
it's
really
working?
You
know
I
mean
it.
I
just
worry
about
this
area
being
so
high
traffic
and
and
it's
it's
the
use.
The
demand
on
its
uses
are
so
varied,
which
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
people
coming
into
it
in
different
ways.
So
when
do
we
look
to
see
if
what
we?
AA
So
I
I
think
that,
as
you
know,
arlington
county
does
have
our
vision,
zero
goals
and
program.
This
is
an
area
where
we
focus
specifically
on
safety
for
for
motorists,
cyclists
and
pedestrians,
with
the
goal
to
reduce
fates,
how
to
eliminate
fatalities
and
reduce
serious
injuries.
AA
So
we
do
have
programs
which
collect
quantifiable
accident
history
and
information
that
becomes
our
first
sort
of
bellwether
of
are
we
are
we
going
in
the
wrong
direction?
We
continue
to
monitor
all
those
those
statistics
and
we
present
that
annually
as
part
of
our
vision,
zero.
So
it's
it's
not
just
this
location,
but
broadly,
we
do
continue
to
look
at
safety.
AA
M
Thanks,
commissioner,
we're
this
is
a
community
benefits
section.
Is
this
correct
questions
associated
with
that
still
transportation?
All
right,
I
will
shut
up
and
let
you
go
then
I'm
gonna.
A
J
Thank
you,
yeah.
One
thing
that
did
come
out
of
transportation
commission
last
week
is
that
this
project
compared
to
the
office
building
that
had
been
originally
approved
five
six
years
ago,
is
that
this
will
generate
less
car
trips
than
that
office.
Building
would
have
that's
the
projections.
J
We
then
also
asked
further
compared
to
what
the
wendy's
site,
what
the
actual
wendy's
and
the
bank
did,
and
while
the
data
wasn't
there,
and
maybe
either
staff
or
the
transportation
consultants
were
able
to
figure
that
out
over
the
past
few
days.
J
So
this
project
actually
will
will
lessen
the
amount
of
traffic
in
the
area,
and
I
thought
that
would
be
an
interest
that
we
found.
That
was
an
interesting
point
in
favor
of
the
project
and
the
overall
transportation
improvements
around
the
building
itself.
So
thank
you.
A
A
M
I
just
feel
like
it's
always
worth
noting
anytime.
We
get
these
on-site
contributions
both
to
the
applicant
and
to
the
community
and
for
staff,
and
while
I
appreciate
a
stan
bringing
an
attention
that
we
only
have
a
30-year
minimum,
I
do
want
to
commend
staff
on
achieving
the
on-site
contribution.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
this
is
my
seventh
year
doing
planning
commission
when
I
began
the
commission.
M
This
was
a
rarity
that
rarely
occurred,
although
staff
will
point
out
that
the
globe
changes
are
what
makes
this
possible,
and
so
it's
important
to
remember
that,
but
I
do
believe
it's
it's
a
renewed
commitment
from
staff
to
do
this
on
site.
So
I
really
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
has
just
drawn
attention
of
how
rare
that
is
and
how
much
of
an
incredible
benefit
that
is,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
make
that
in
the
public
record.
Commissioner.
M
So
I
appreciate
the
time
and
then
I
do
want
to
follow
up
later
with
an
energy
question
when
we
get
to
those
points-
and
there
are
no
other
community
benefit
questions.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
hughes,
and
I
share
your
excitement
to
ever
see
on
provision
of
of
creative,
affordable
units
as
well.
Actually.
M
Actually,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
you
don't
mind,
since
it
is
my
do
it,
I
might
I've
got
I'm
at
the
end
of
my
time,
so
I've
only
got
a
year
left
and
I
just
think
it's
so
important
for
my
colleagues
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
have
read
the
entire
staff
report
in
detail.
I
just
want
to
draw
your
attention
to.
I
think
mr
watson
has
done
just
an
incredible
job
here.
It's
very
frequently
glo
sort
of
glossed
over
here.
M
How
we
get
to
this,
and
that
is
on
a
page
I'm
just
trying
to
make
my
computer
get
to
it
where
he
speaks
about
the
affordable
housing
and
he
outlines
for
us
really
clearly
the
choices
and
our
great
commonwealth
legislature
who
which
we
all
are
subordinate
to
have
to
remember.
That
fact
has
laid
out
the
choices
in
some
ways
in
the
side
of
our
state
code,
and
so
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
applicant
has
a
very
quick
base
choice.
They
have
three
choices:
they
can
four
choices.
M
Fundamentally,
they
can
give
a
cash
contribution.
They
can
do
an
on-site
unit,
they
could
do
a
nearby
unit
or
a
little
bit
further
away.
Units
and
and
adam
just
did
an
amazing
job.
If
you
go
down
and
read
how
it
is
one
two
two
and
then
it's
also
only
hundred
and
twenty
one
thousand
dollars
to
meet
the
minimum
base.
M
Affordable,
housing,
ordinance
statements-
and
I
know
121
seems
like
a
lot
of
money,
but
just
for
perspective
for
everyone's
knowledge,
there's
not
a
single
unit
in
this
building
that
will
be
built
for
121
thousand
dollars,
and
so
when
we
get
these
units,
it's
just
so
important
to
remember
that,
and
I
really
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
all
draw
attention
to
that
and
remember
that
going
forward,
because
I
won't
be
here
soon,
and
I
just
hope
that
many
of
you
do
realize
and
recognize
the
incredible
value
we
have
in
our
community
by
getting
these
units
on
site
and
buildings.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
hughes,
commissioner
bagley.
Y
Yeah
and
exactly
right,
commissioner
hughes
and
yes,
there
will
be
people
behind
you.
That
will
be
thinking
of
this
on
a
related
note,
and
it
is
admirable
because,
as
we
all
know,
this
is
it's
becoming
much
more
expensive
to
be
here
and,
and
it
discourages
people
you
know.
So
we
have
a
little
level
here,
for
you
know,
folks
who
are
in
low
income
and
affordable.
Y
But
I
guess
my
question
is:
are
we
approving
another
building
here?
That
will
become
luxury
rentals
and
if
so
again,
we
kind
of
take
the
middle
out
a
little
bit,
and
then
I
guess
my
next
concern.
Y
M
I
I
only
want
to
just
real
quickly,
sir
commissioner.
Bagley
always
is
a
reminder.
I
have
the
the
advertisement
in
my
head
right
now.
M
I
have
this
visual
image
of
this
very
glamorous
1960,
ladies
holding
a
long
cigarette
talking
about
the
luxury
units
of
the
river
house,
apartments
which,
which
is
over,
as
we
all
know,
the
jbg
contribution
to
the
the
chris,
the
national
landing
area
that
are
now
they
were
middle,
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
people
forget
that
luxury
becomes
middle
as
the
la
in
the
long
run
because
it
becomes
older
and
then
at
some
point
it
either
becomes
affordable
or
becomes
a
bulldozer,
and
so
it's
important
for
us
to
remember
that
what
even
if
it's
a
luxury
unit
today
there
are
12
units
that
are
affordable.
M
Commissioner
bagley,
which
is
incredible,
and
on
top
of
that
there
is
a
the
whole
housing
stock
thing.
But
I
do
agree
with
you
on
many
of
your
points.
It
is
a
breaker
conversation
but
that
lady
holding
that
cigarette
in
the
ad
for
the
the
river
house,
apartments
for
luxury
units
just
just
sticks
in
my
head
and
the.
A
And
the
model
was
furnished,
the
model
apartment
furnished
by
woodward
and
lothric,
which
you
know
at
the
time,
was
worth
noting
that
the
model
was
furnished
by
woodward
and
lothrop.
Commissioner
kieran.
I
Thank
you
chair
where,
commissioner
hughes,
I
appreciate
your
point.
I
have
a
different
perspective
on
that,
though,
and
I'm
aligning
myself
with
commissioner
bagley's
comments.
I
I'm
also
concerned
that
this
not
come
back
for
hotel
use
because
there's
too
high
vacancy
rate,
you
were
describing
something
called
filtering
which
should
work,
but
it
doesn't
really
work
in
arlington
where
our
land
values
stay
so
high,
and
we
permit
redevelopment
that
we
don't
actually
get
filtering
a
lot
of
our
units,
never
make
it
to
that
point
before
they're
torn
down
and
rebuilt
as
luxury
units,
and
we
don't
need
to
talk
a
lot
about
that
now.
I
think
we'll.
N
Just
really
quickly,
I
want
to
align
myself
with
commissioners
bagley
and
garen.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
I
can
imagine
that
this
commission
would
not
be
particularly
pleased
given,
given
how
we've
deliberated
such
requests
in
the
past,
but
that's
just
idle
chit
chat,
not
not
forecasting.
Commissioner
martin.
K
I
will
also
associate
myself
with
commissioner
guerin
in
particular,
and
the
conversation
about
filtering
really
is
nuanced
and
and
complex
in
a
market
like
this.
So
thank
you.
A
M
Was
a
follow-up
to
to
c2
e2?
I
think
because
I
I
think
I
liked
it
was
e2d2
or
r2d2.
It's
always
hard
for
me
to
the
the
the
bottom
line.
My
question-
I
don't
know
if
the,
if
staff's
able
to
opine
any
on
the
scoring,
which
was
honestly
new
to
me
in
seven
years
of
doing
this,
which
was
really
cool.
I
like
to
learn
new
things,
but
I
was
really
much
more.
M
They
presented
for
us
the
a
very
interesting
metric
of
a
58
score,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
review
that
in
an
empirical
way,
and
I
don't
plan
to
do
it
on
this
proposal
this
evening.
M
But
I
think
in
the
long
run
for
the
record,
I
would
like
to
say
that
it
would
be
more
helpful
for
us,
or
at
least
for
this
commissioner,
to
see
that
information,
not
in
relative
to
such
an
exemplary
proposal
such
as
the
one
that
amazon's
bringing
forward
but
more
towards
the
status
quo,
which
I
would
honestly
say,
is
either
a
single-family
detached
home
redevelopment
or
a
townhome
redevelopment.
M
Just
because
I
think
that
the
embedded
carbon
pro
just
some
so
many
things
are
so
curious
about
this
conversation,
so
I
would
just
like
for
the
record
to
show
that
it's
very
interesting
this
was
brought
up.
I
look
forward
to
maybe
seeing
that
in
the
staff
report.
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
staff
report
with
the
scoring
metric
for
for
it
and
if
staff
does
have
that,
mr
watson,
I
I
if
I
missed
it,
I
apologize
sir,
but
it's
just
a
real
curious
information
to
have
been
brought
up
in
this
meeting.
M
I'm
I'm
not
familiar
with
it.
In
my
seven
years
I
haven't
heard
about
the
scoring
and
I'm
sure,
like
commissioner
morton
and
commissioner
gearan
are
probably
just
chuckling
on
mute
right
now
and
leo
as
well.
So
I
just
would.
I
would
just
be
curious
if
we
have
information
about
like
what
a
baseline
is
like
a
single-family
home
built
new
when
they
carried
on
a
37
brick
and
put
up
a
stick
like
what
does
these
numbers
look
like
relative
to
this?
M
What
I
consider
to
be
a
relatively
energy,
complementary
building,
so
yeah.
O
Yeah,
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
hughes,
just
going
back
a
second
also
I
want
to
you
know,
express
our
appreciation
for
for
your
appreciation
for
having
on-site
affordable
with
this
project,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
scoring-
and
I
I
think
I
I
maybe
don't
remember
the
whole
comment
that
was
provided,
but
I
believe
that
the
score
that
was
given
is
a
score.
That's
based
on
c
a
a
methodology
that
c2
e2
developed
for
rating
this-
I
don't
that's
not
in
that's,
not
related
to
anything,
that's
in
our
cep.
O
As
far
as
I'm
aware
in
terms
of
our
own
scoring
metric.
For
that,
all
I
can
say
is
that
this
this
project
does
comply
with
our
green
building
bonus
density,
incentive
policy
for
the
far
level
that
it's
aiming
to
achieve
and
all
of
those
baseline
prerequisites,
the
the
energy
optimization
level
etc.
Will
you
know
are
all
conditioned
in
the
site
plan
conditions
as
requirements
you
know
for
for
permanent
pulling
permits.
O
Q
Good
evening,
mr
chair,
if,
if
allowed
I'm
happy
to
speak
very
briefly,
I
think
to
commissioner
hughes
questions
and
I
think
mr
watson,
I
think
you
know,
responded
accurately
in
terms
of
our
the
way
we
evaluate
the
proposal
and
the
energy
considerations
associated
with
it.
In
being
part
of
a
number
of
conversations
related
to
the
c2e2
checklist
that
was
included
in
the
in
the
letter
or
the
presentation
this
evening.
Q
It
is
a
relatively
recently
developed
checklist
that
that
commission
has
developed
to
really
evaluate-
and
I
think,
generally
to
push
the
envelope
in
terms
of
their
view
and
their
perspective
on
development
proposals
with
respect
to
their
view
of
our
adopted
goals
related
to
the
community
energy
plan
or
other
considerations.
Q
So
this
is
a
relatively
new
way
of
approaching
of
the
commission
approaching
site
plan
proposals,
but
they
have
been
including
this
approach
with
a
number
of
recent
projects
that
have
come
forward
to
the
commission
and
to
the
board.
We
anticipate
you
know
to
continue
to
see
this
type
of
evaluation
from
the
commission,
but
it
it
may
sit
more
so
within
a
broader
conversation
about
how
we
continue
to
evolve
and
progress.
Q
Our
county
level,
energy
goals
and
aspirations
over
time,
as
opposed
to
you,
know
what
specific
moves
it
might
inform
on
a
project
by
project
basis,
but
we
will
continue
to
monitor
and
work
with
applicants
and
the
commission
as
we
move
forward.
M
Thank
you,
mr
fuchs
irelia.
I
want
to
just
appreciate
your
response
and
mr
watson
as
well,
and,
and
I
it's
so
intriguing,
you
know
after
seven
years.
I
always
love
that
we
learn
new
things
on
on
the
commission
and
and
are
always
evolving,
and
I
do
think
at
least
for
this
commissioner's
standpoint,
and
I
think
and
I'll
make
it
for
the
record
for
c2e2.
M
The
relative
performance
between
buildings
is
is
important
and
informative,
but
the
absolute
you
know
comparison
of
alternatives
is
also
a
very
important
things.
For
example,
as
I
said,
the
a
single
family
detached
home
versus
240
stacked
units
and
how
we
can
think
about
our
community
as
a
whole,
so
I
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
it
evolving.
Thank
you,
mr
fizzarelli.
A
Mute
I'm
just
joining
in
your
thanks
to
mr
watson
and
mr
fusarelli.
I
believe
that
we
may
then
be
ready
for
a
motion,
so
commissioners,
bagley
or
sarli
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
for
that.
A
And
let's,
let's
start
with
the
primary
and
then
do
the
vacation
last.
X
B
N
Commissioner,
sorry
it's
on
the
screen.
Oh.
X
A
A
Before
someone
seconds
that
sorry,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
heard
that
right.
That
was
a
a
motion
that
the
planning
commission
recommended
that
the
county
board
adopt
right.
A
Thanks,
I.
U
X
No,
I
think
the
process
has
been
really
good
again.
I
I
want
to
thank
adam
in
particular,
mr
watson,
for
being
very
sort
of
accommodating
for
me
in
particular,
but
also
miss
bagley,
as
we
work
through
the
process
and
also
the
applicant.
You
know
we
did
ask
for
a
lot
of
changes,
and
I
understand
you
know
the
the
process
is
a
little
bit
frustrating
at
times,
but
all
in
all
everybody
kept
their
spirits
up
and
so
big
thanks
all
around.
Y
No
just
that,
just
as
commissioner
sarly
stated,
staff
has
been
fantastic
to
work
with
on
this
and
also
the
applicant.
You
know
willing
to
listen
to
things
that
we
felt
still
needed
to
be
modified
and
responding
accordingly.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
is
there
anyone
else
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
be
heard
before
we
go
to
votes.
In
that
case,
commissioner,
bagley.
S
I
K
L
A
A
And
I
vote.
I
motion
carries
ten
to
zero.
Commissioner
sarley,
do
you
have
another
motion
for
us?
I.
X
Do
let's
see
I
move
that
the
commission
find
the
attached
ordinance
of
a
vacation
to
vacate
a
portion
of
an
easement
to
street
for
street
and
public
purposes
running
between
wilson
boulevard,
clarendon
boulevard
along
the
eastern
side
of
north
court
house,
road
on
property,
known
as
lot
24
washington
view,
land
of
gs,
division,
clarendon
property
owner
llc,
rpc
number
17-011-011.
F
A
Thank
you
moved
by
commissioner
sarley
seconded
by
commissioner
bagley.
Whatever
of
you
like
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
motion.
X
Nothing
to
add
at
this
point
anyone.
M
O
I
believe
you
have,
I
have.
I
have
some
instructions
here
from
miss
collier
and
des,
and
that
is
that
you
find
it.
The
vacation
is
substantially
in
accord
with
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan,
which
I
believe
you
just
stated.
So
I
believe
that's
correct.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
hughes
and
and
mr
watson,
then
I
will
proceed
to
call
the
vote.
Commissioner
bagley.
D
U
A
D
D
A
Don't
worry,
I've
happened
to
me
earlier
this
evening
several
times
and
I
vote
I
as
well.
The
motion
carries
ten
to
zero.
Are
there
any
other
motions
on
this
matter?
I
believe
the
answer
is
no
going
once
twice
closed.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
Would
you
please
call
the
next
item.
C
AB
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I
am
waiting
for
permission
to
share
my
screen
and
once
I
have
that
I
will
share
my
presentation
here.
AB
AB
This
item
is
a
site
plan
amendment
for
a
permanent
conversion
of
up
to
133
units
from
residential
use,
to
hotel
use
at
the
rixie
building
with
a
modification
for
hotel
parking
requirements.
Just
to
know,
although
there
is
no
construction
taking
place.
This
is
technically
a
major
site
plan
amendment,
because
the
principal
use
of
this
building
will
change
across
more
than
five
percent
of
the
building's
total
floor
area.
AB
The
site
is
located
within
the
ballston
metro
area
on
the
northwest
corner
of
glebe
road
in
fairfax
drive
and
it's
within
site
plan
number
64..
The
hotel
use
is
proposed
to
take
place
in
the
rixie
building,
which
is
the
building
outlined
in
white
on
the
left
image
of
the
screen
and
shown
in
street
view
on
the
right.
AB
Before
diving
into
marymount's
request,
I
want
to
briefly
go
into
some
of
the
history
of
the
site
to
provide
a
little
context.
Today.
The
rixie
building
is
a
residential
building
with
ground
floor
retail.
The
building
is
owned
by
marymount
university
and
is
currently
used
for
marymount
student
housing,
particularly
grad
students.
AB
At
the
time
of
the
approval,
it
included
the
well-known
blue
goose
building,
which
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
left
that
building
was
home
to
marymount's
bolston
campus
and
in
2014.
The
county
board
approved
a
site
plan
amendment
to
redevelop
that
site
with
two
new
buildings,
and
you
can
see
the
plan
view
of
those
buildings
in
the
middle.
AB
The
two
buildings
were
an
office
building
for
marymount
classes
and
administrative
offices,
and
the
second
was
a
residential
building,
the
rixie
building,
the
rixie
building.
At
the
time
of
the
site
plan,
amendment
was
owned
and
managed
by
the
shushan
company
and
the
rick
c.
Building
when
it
opened
was
a
conventional
multi-family.
Building
in
2019
marymount
bought
the
rixie
residential
building
from
the
shushan
company
and
operates
it
to
the
state
as
a
student
residential
housing.
AB
AB
So
getting
into
the
proposal
marymount
university
as
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
permanently
convert
up
to
133
units
from
residential
use
to
hotel
use.
This
makes
up
approximately
50
percent
of
the
units
in
the
ricci
building.
The
proposed
hotel
use
will
be
concentrated
on
floors
8
through
14,
with
the
other
floors
reserved
for
residential
use
accessed
only
by
residents
as
part
of
the
2014
site
plan
amendment
that
was
approved,
there
are
11
committed,
affordable
units
that
are
required
in
this
building,
and
that
number
will
not
change
with
this
amendment
with
the
hotel
conversion.
AB
AB
So,
in
the
past
few
years
the
county
has
seen
a
handful
of
hotel
conversion
projects,
typically
temporary
conversions
that
take
place
during
the
initial
lease
up
of
a
multi-family
building.
Staff
intends
to
study
that
issue
further
and
develop
a
county
policy
on
that
matter
in
the
next
few
years.
However,
we
see
this
request
as
distinctly
different
from
past
requests
for
two
main
reasons.
AB
First,
this
request
is
for
a
permanent
conversion
to
hotel
use,
unlike
the
past
ones,
which
were
temporary,
because
this
is
a
permanent
conversion.
It
will
not
have
a
set
time
frame
or
expiration
date,
like
we've
seen
in
the
past,
and
the
the
permanent
nature
of
the
hotel
will
provide
a
more
long-term,
viable
mix
of
uses
in
the
entire
building.
AB
These
permanent
hotel
units
would
help
to
start
to
offset
that
loss,
particularly
in
bolston,
where
we
know
that
the
boston
holiday
inn,
which
is
across
the
street
from
the
site,
has
submitted
a
preliminary
site
plan
to
redevelop
their
hotel
building
into
a
multi-family
building.
If
that's
approved,
that's
an
additional
loss
of
over
200
hotel
units
in
boston.
AB
The
second
way
that
this
request
is
different
than
past
request
is
marymount
university
is
proposing
this
hotel
used
to
supplement
learning
within
the
hospitality
innovation
track
of
their
mba
program.
The
partnership
with
the
hotel
will
include
student
internships,
capstone
projects,
hands-on
experience
working
at
the
hotel,
a
hotel
classroom,
participation
through
guest
lectures
and
career
counseling.
AB
This
educational
component
will
bolster
marymount's
reputation
in
the
hospitality
field
and
build
a
stronger
presence
in
boston.
The
pairing
of
the
hotel
units
in
the
educational
component.
We
feel
further
distinguishes
distinguishes
this
request
from
past
temporary
requests
and
provides
unique
opportunities
for
the
students
in
the
community.
AB
AB
AC
Thanks
chair,
weir
and
good
evening
planning
commissioners
given
the
hour
I'll
all
the
late
hour,
I'll
dispense
with
the
45
minute,
intro
presentation
and
100
slide
powerpoint
presentation,
and
I
was
going
to
treat
you
all
too
and
just
make
my
remarks
very
brief,
where
I
worked
on
the
original
project
approval
for
this
with
shushan
and
marymount.
AC
So
it's
very
gratifying
to
see
to
be
back
before
you
as
this
project
like
arlington
county
continues
to
evolve
and
we
we
find
a
nice
reuse
for
a
portion
of
the
the
rixie
apartment.
Building,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
in
a
moment
to
barry
hart,
who
is
the
vice
president
at
very
mount
for
operations
and
finance,
as
well
as
its
treasurer
who's
going
to
provide
more
detail
on
on
what
ms
badger
explained.
AC
Is
this
unique
partnership
between
marymount
and
and
why
hotel
in
in
marymount's
case,
to
advance
their
mission
to
educate
future
leaders
in
the
hospitality
interest,
and
in
why
hotels
case?
This
is
an
interesting
you'll.
Hear
jason
feudin
explain
how
this
is
an
interesting
opportunity
for
y
hotel
as
well
to
innovate,
to
figure
out
ways
to
build
a
better
mousetrap
with
a
permanent
presence
in
arlington,
as
opposed
to
the
the
pop-up
model.
AC
AD
AD
So,
while
it's
true
that
we
don't
run
it,
it's
not
a
residence
hall,
I
guess,
from
the
county
perspective
from
the
university's
perspective,
it's
very
much
a
residence
hall.
We
don't
rent
by
the
unit
we
rent
by
the
bed,
just
as
you
would
in
dormitory
back
in
college,
when
we
first
bought
the
building.
AD
AD
We're
really
looking
at
the
new
sort
of
the
disruption
to
the
industry,
finance
logistics.
How
do
you,
you
know,
create
the
supply
chain
to
keep
this
going
and
to
make
it
what
people
today
wish
to
to
stay
in
when
they
travel,
so
our
roads
led
us
to
y
hotel,
which
is
clearly
the
disrupter
in
the
industry.
AD
AE
A
AE
All
good
all
right,
well
awesome!
Thank
you!
Everybody
I
commissioned.
Thank
you
for
having
me
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
here,
my
name
is
jason
feudin,
I'm
the
ceo
and
co-founder
of
wyhotel
we're
a
venture-backed
hospitality
tech
platform
in
the
deep
from
the
dc
metro,
we're
actually
founded
in
arlington
county
back
in
2016.
AE
and
arlington
county
represented
the
first
place
that
we
ran
some
of
our
innovative
pop-up
hotel
concepts.
As
barry
mentioned,
you
know
we're
in
the
business
of
innovation
and
hospitality,
we're
also
headquartered
dc
metro.
I
guess
it's
worth.
First
pointing
out.
In
the
six
years
we've
been
operating
in
arlington
county
we've
never
asked
for
a
permanent
conversion
of
residential
units
and
that's
not
by
accident.
AE
I
know
you
guys
have
heard
any
number
of
companies
look
to
convert
apartment
buildings
to
hotel
that
doesn't
seem
appropriate
in
arlington
county
for
market
rate
apartments.
Given
the
housing
crisis,
what
we
have
done
in
arlington
is
a
number
of
pop-up
hotels
where
we
bring
to
life
apartment
buildings
during
their
lease
up
their
otherwise
empty
units,
including
one
in
boston
at
boston
quarter.
AE
AE
We
do
our
job,
we
bring
those
buildings
to
life,
a
lot
of
our
guests
become
residents,
and
we
move
on
to
other
other
buildings.
We've
now
operated,
not
only
in
arlington
but
in
dc
and
in
fairfax
and
city
of
baltimore,
miami,
houston,
seattle,
new
york,
city,
nashville,
all
over
the
country,
and
we
got
our
start
in
arlington
county
when
maryman
approached
us
about
partnering
on
this
site.
AE
Our
first
reaction
was,
you
know,
what
are
you
guys
looking
to
accomplish
and
what
they
said
to
us
was
dc
metro's,
the
that
the
anchor
of
all
hospitality
in
the
united
states?
This
is
where
marriott
is
where
hilton
is,
is
where
choice
is,
and
it's
an
and
a
couple
things
one
marymount
had
not
been
as
plugged
into
that
as
they'd
like,
and
they
saw
a
really
large
opportunity
to
take
their
student
base
and
bring
them
to
the
forefront
of
what's
happening
in
hospitality.
AE
AE
One
contribute
to
that
mission
and
two,
and
maybe
a
little
more
selfishly-
gives
us
a
great
source
of
talent,
as
we
think
about
growing
our
organization
we've
five
times
the
size
of
the
company
in
the
last
year,
the
majority
of
our
employees
are
dc
metro
based
and
the
idea
that
we
can
educate
work
with
a
number
of
students
and
then
bring
them
into
the
fold
to
help
us
grow.
AE
Our
organization
is
really
appealing,
so
it
was
under
that
premise
that
we
we've
decided
to
move
forward
with
marymount
on
an
educational-oriented
partnership,
and
our
goal
here
would
be,
as
as
barry
said,
to
have
a
living
lab.
You
know
we're
very
different
than
a
traditional
hotel
company
like
a
marriott
or
hilton.
You
know,
80
percent
of
our
our
guests
use
contactless
check-in.
All
of
our
communications
are
through
something
called
the
crm
that
happens
via
text
and
email
and
phone.
It
can
be
done
anywhere
and
locally.
AE
The
way
we
do
yield
optimization
and
data
logistics
in
any
number
of
areas
is
pretty
cutting
edge
and
we
have
a
lot
of
fun
with
it
and
you
know,
would
would
enjoy
nothing
more
than
to
be
able
to
bring
that
to
life
here
with
the
with
the
students
of
marymount
and
to
do
that
in
arlington
county
on
a
permanent
basis.
AE
A
Right,
I
guess
that
was
as
much
a
question
the
commissioner
tell
me
as
it
was
to
you.
A
As
I
go
along
too
jim,
you
were
going
to
say,
nothing
was
not
before.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Are
there
we
don't
have
any
so
so
the
matter
then
comes
before
the
commission.
We
don't
have
a
report
on
it
from
any
one
particular
committee,
so
I
will
just
open
it
up
generally
for
questions
of
the
applicant
and
staff
and
or
comments,
and
I
see
commissioner
hughes,
I
saw
your
hand
go
up,
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
bagley
since
yours
briefly
came
down.
Y
AB
Sorry,
I
was
muted
sure,
commissioner
riley
thanks
for
the
question
I'll
chime
in
here
and
if
anybody
else
from
staff
has
anything
to
add,
feel
free
to
jump
in,
but
the
conditions
of
this
would
run
with
the
land.
So
if
the
building
would
would
be
by
it,
the
conditions
of
the
sta
site
plan
amendment
would
remain.
A
Thank
you,
mr
badger
and
commissioner
bagley,
commissioner
hughes.
M
Thank
thank
you,
commissioner,
here
a
question
for
two
questions.
First,
to
the
app
or
I
guess
to
the
applicant,
why
is
I
guess
why
hotels,
not
the
applicant,
it's
a
question
for
the:
why
hotel
representative,
who
who
we
haven't
seen
since
the
pandemic,
we
think
we
saw
him
the
last
night
right
before
we
met
on
the
pandemic.
So
at
the
time-
and
we
had
seen
him
several
times-
is
why
hotel
now
in
the
business
of
converting
permanent
residentials,
or
is
this
your
first
one
doing
so.
AE
So
so
the
answer
is,
we
have
two
business
lines,
one
one
is
called
a
pop-up
hotel
and
in
the
dc
metro
area.
That
is
predominantly
what
we
have
done.
The
other
is
called
hospitality
living
and
that
is
where
we
run
an
apartment-style
building
as
a
mix
of
furnished
and
unfurnished
short
and
long
stay
on
a
permanent
basis.
So
we
run
the
asset
as
entirely
flexible.
AE
In
doing
so,
we're
able
to
have
the
asset
adapt
to
changing
market
conditions
for
consumers.
So
when
we
we've
done
this
in
nashville,
we've
done
this
in
new
york
city
we'll
be
doing
it
in
a
couple.
Other
markets,
a
couple
of
sun
belt
markets
and
the
reason
we
do
that
is
it
kind
of
meets
where
it
meets
consumers
where
they
are
today,
which
is
that
same
need
for
long-term
furnished,
housing
and
short-term
furnished
housing
as
an
example
in
boston.
AE
You
know
we
used
to
do
five-month
stays
with
the
state
department
as
part
of
training
right.
That
product
just
doesn't
exist
conveniently,
but
we
also
did
two
and
a
half
month.
Internships
and
then
four
night
stays
during
graduations.
That
product
type
makes
a
lot
of
sense
in
certain
jurisdictions
on
existing
buildings.
It
makes
less
sense
in
other
jurisdictions.
AE
Arlington
would
fall
under
one
of
the
jurisdictions
that
we
wouldn't
generally
look
to
convert
permanent
housing
stock
into
that
commingled
use,
and
so
that's
why
you
haven't
seen
us
at
a
planning,
commission
or
board
meeting
making
that
request.
M
Okay,
so
I
think
I
understand
that
the
y
hotel,
we
knew
still
exists,
the
pop-up
version
of
it,
but
you've
branched
off
into
the
property
management
side
in
a
new
and
hybrid
way
that
somehow
links
hospitality,
which
brings
mary
mount
into
this
equation
quite
cleanly.
So
I
I
understand,
what's
going
on
now,
I
appreciate
it
and
just
just
just
curious,
because
your
first
time
to
us
was
quite
convincing
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
how
it
would
play
in
other
places,
just
to
make
sure
it's
clear.
M
So
I
appreciate
the
knowledge
the
commissioner
weir.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
and
to
the
applicant,
my
my
only
I
guess
I
had
no
other
comments,
but
man
I'd
like
to
read
the
business
case,
and
I
hope
that
he
mentioned
the
tax
exempt
bonds
and
all
that
the
financing
of
this,
I
think,
would
just
be
incredibly
a
great
business
case
to
read
from
business
school.
I
would
just
love
to
have
read
it
when
when
I
took
classes
so
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
a
chair,
weir.
A
lot
of
me
is
really
excited
about
the
creative
synergies
between
the
the
apartment
and
students.
I
used
to
teach
graduate
students
just
a
few
doors
down
at
the
virginia
tech
building
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
and
I
I'm
sort
of
surprised
at
the
lack
of
response.
If
you
know
that
was
one
of
the
universities
you
were
reaching
out
to,
I
had
students
regularly
commuting
about
an
hour
that
I
think
would
have
really
liked
to
live
in
that
building.
K
K
I
do
know
from
past
experience
how
difficult
and
how
long
it
can
take
to
make
a
curriculum
changed
going
through
chev
and
everything
I'd
feel
more
comfortable,
because
I
I
have
a
lot
of
reservations
about
removing
housing
supply
I'll
just
say
that
right
now
I
feel
more
comfortable.
K
If,
if
I
knew
this
would
happen
immediately
and
it
wouldn't
be
contingent
on
all
kind
of
approvals
and
it
would
take
four
years
to
get
this
program
set
up,
so
I
wonder
maybe
if
mr
hart
could
comment
on
that,
and
I'm
also,
the
y
hotel
has
a
reputation
for
being
innovative.
But
what
I
know
which
is
little
about
disruptors,
is
that
they
they
come
and
go
and
do
something
else
you
know.
K
Is
this
permanently
going
to
be
affixed
to
someone
seen
as
a
sort
of
an
innovator
that
will
provide
a
good
educational
opportunity
to
your
students.
AD
So
let
me
go
first,
I
think
jason.
Let
me
say
we
actually
reached
out
broadly
textbook.
Certainly
somebody
we
reached
out
to
we
had
a
little
bit
of
success
with
mason
law
just
with
mason
law,
and
it
really
fizzled
after
about
two
semesters.
AD
So
our
masters
of
hospitality,
innovation
is
up
and
running.
We
actually
will
be
admitting
our
first
cohort.
This
fall.
We
have
four
students
already
we
have
to
have
a
an
initial
cohort
of
12
and
then
build
that
12
every
semester
till
we
get
to
a
robust
stage.
So
it's
up
and
running
we're
ready
for
it.
K
Okay-
and
could
I
I
don't
know
who's
the
best
person
to
answer
the
question
about
the
partnership.
Is
that
a
it's
hard
to
assume
a
permanent
partnership
volatile
industry,
but
our
what?
What
assurance
do?
We
have
that
it'll
always
be
an
innovative
partner.
AD
AE
Can
speak
to
my
hotel
and
I
and
I
appreciate
commissioner
morton's
con-
you
know
businesses
do
come
and
go
that
that
is
the
life
of
you
know
economics.
So
I
appreciate
the
question
the
way
you
know
the
way
we
see
this
is
you
know
cornell,
which
is
probably
the
most
renowned
hospitality
program
in
the
united
states
and
in
the
world
at
least
top
top
couple
in
the
world
has
the
statler
hotel
on
campus,
and
that
is
part
of
the
way
that
they
train
the
next
generation
of
people
in
hospitality.
AE
You
know,
is
our
company
going
to
be
here
forever?
I
certainly
hope
so,
but,
structurally
speaking,
I
think
what
maryman's
trying
to
do
is
move
that
epicenter
of
education
from
upstate
new
york
to
the
hospital
capitol
united
states
versus
the
d.c
metro
area.
AE
We
are
setting
this
up
as
a
permanent
program,
which
means
that
it'll
be
integrated
into
the
way
we
think
about
data,
our
data,
logistics,
team,
software
engineering.
AE
You
know
all
of
the
pieces
that
are
that
are
not
just,
as
barry
said,
hotel
management,
but
I
would
assume,
as
a
university
the
reason
that
they're
making
and
barry
can
speak
to
this.
This
bet
in
the
long
term
is
that
they're
trying
to
become
one
of
the
preeminent
programs
in
hospital
innovation
in
the
united
states.
AE
Given
the
proximity
to
the
major
hotel
companies,
and
if
we
were
to
falter,
I
would
have
to
imagine
given
how
much
they're
going
to
invest
in
this
program
that
they
would
find
somebody
else
in
our
in
our
stead.
It
is
their
application,
not
ours,
but
we
are
their
partner
as
of
today.
It
would
look
to
be
their
partner
for
the
long
term.
AC
And
and
if
I
could
just
piggyback
on
that
jason
commissioner
morton,
as
as,
as
jason
pointed
out
in
the
in
his
remarks
earlier,
arlington's,
the
birthplace
of
why
hotel
and
that
he
he
lives
in
in
the
area
locally-
and
I
know
some
of
his
key
leadership
also
lives
in
arlington.
So
I
don't
mean
to
speak
for
you
jason,
but
why
hotels,
not
just
locally
grown,
but
it's
it's.
It's
committed
to
continuing
to
serve
the
area,
even
as
you
expand
across
the
u.s
and
sort
of
you
know.
D
K
Thank
you.
While
I
have
the
floor
just
so,
I
don't
need
to
raise
my
hand.
I
do
have
a
lot
of
concern
removing
permanently
housing
when
our
mantra
has
been
supply,
supply
supply
and
we're
asking
communities
regulated
to
accept
things
that
go
beyond
our
standard
planning
practices
to
to
accept
more
housing.
So
thank
you.
I
Thank
you
chairwear,
so
I
have
some
opinions
on
this.
I
align
myself
with
the
excitement
of
my
colleagues
over
this
and
you
all
may
remember
when
you
first
brought
y
hotel
to
us.
I
was
one
of
your
most
enthusiastic
supporters
and
I
allotted
the
creativity
of
this,
but
after
seeing
this
come
to
us
several
times
over
the
last
few
years,
my
concern
and
trepidation
has
grown
about
this
process.
I
I
We
get
to
hear
this
now,
but
there
wasn't
a
full-on
sprc
with
the
neighbors
to
talk
about
what
this
is
like
when
we
do
this,
so
in
general,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
with
improving
these
changes
from
the
diocese
without
greater
guidance
and
policy,
and
I've
said
that
on
the
record
before
so,
I
really
do
hope
that
staff
is
moving
forward
so
that
we're
not
making
policy
as
the
commission
still.
I
do
appreciate
the.
I
Particular
pro
and
noting
the
demand
for
the
hotel
units
is
very
helpful,
so
thank
you,
miss
badger
and
mr
pritchard,
given
what
you're
proposing,
I
wonder
if
you've
considered
maybe
an
opportunity
with
part
of
that
space
for
student
hostel
space.
I
know
you're
looking
for
creative
opportunities,
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
note
that
one
reason
that
student
demand
for
this
housing
wasn't
meeting
the
availability
was
probably
the
cost.
I
think
these
were
about
17
000
a
year
for
housing
and
the
needs
for
students
to
have
even
some
short-term
housing.
I
AD
AD
J
Yes,
as
you
heard
from
commissioner
guerin,
this
is
a
topic
that's
becoming
more
and
more
sensitive,
for
us.
You've
heard
that
from
a
number
of
us,
in
fact,
we
raised
it
last
year
on
our
own
motion
on
a
conversion
that
was
going
before
the
council
without
having
come
to
the
planning
commission
and
we
waited
into
it
anyway
because
of
our
concerns
over
the
topic,
I'm
very
worried
about
the
continued
conversion
of
of
permanent
apartment
units
into
hotel
uses.
J
That
said
here,
I
think
this
is
probably
different
or
it
is
different.
I
think
the
program
would
be
valuable
to
arlington
and
to
marymount.
J
I
do
and
of
course
you
already
own
the
building
which
does
help
graduate
students.
There
is
clearly
the
demand
there,
they're
assaulted,
through
our
neighborhoods,
as
you
know,
sharing
houses
because
they
need
need
somewhere
where
to
live.
Nonetheless,
you
own
the
building,
so
that
that's
a
logical
use
for
that
conversion.
J
I'm
willing
to
go
ahead
and
approve
something
like
this
or
vote
in
favor
of
of
this,
simply
because
it
is
something
that
I
think
we
are
as
a
county
will
will
be
valuable
to
us,
but
I
do
want
more
guidance
and
I
do
want
staff
to
be
looking
into
this
further
and
start
giving
guidelines
about
where
it's
appropriate,
to
have
these
conversions
and
where
it's
not
because
it's
just
been
one
new
variant
of
this
after
another
over
the
past
few
years,
and
we
still
really
don't
have
any
formal
guidance
and,
as
commissioner
guerin
said,
this
hasn't
been
through
any
of
our
other
committees.
J
This
is
the
first
we're
really
hearing
it
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
it
and
it
just
keeps
coming
up
with
different
permutations.
Maybe
we
need
to
have
yet
another
meeting
to
sort
of
go
through
this
and
just
have
staff,
and
the
commission
talk
this
through.
But
you
know
our
stated
goal
for
this
county
as
a
whole,
in
our
comprehensive
plan
is
for
housing
and
to
encourage
housing,
and
this
really
doesn't
quite
mesh
with
that
with
the
comprehensive
plan
goals.
J
Again,
as
I
said,
I
will,
I
will
be
voting
for
the
recommendation
for
this,
but
it
is
something
that
continues
to
disturb
me.
Thank
you.
Z
Thank
you.
I
I
do
want
to
align
myself
with
commissioner
guerin's
comments
with
regards.
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
the
planning
commission
has
considered,
and
I
think
this
is
an
interesting
permutation
of
that
subject
matter
and
and
policy
decision
that
we've
had
concerns
with
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
but
at
the
same
time,
as
commissioner
lynn
tell
me
said,
I
I
do
see
that
this
is
a
unique
or
or
varied
situation.
Z
To
the
circumstances
of
what
marymount
is
trying
to
do
and
the
educational
opportunity
that
is
presented
here
for
the
kind
of
hotel
management
students
from
that
regard,
I'm
also
inclined
to
support
this,
but
understand
that
we're
walking
kind
of
a
fine
line
and,
as
commissioner
and
tommy
said,
this
does
not
get
us
to
our
overall
sort
of
goal
of
increasing
the
stock
of
housing
in
arlington.
Z
I
appreciate
that
we've
lost
some
hotel
rooms
in
the
ballston
area
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
creative
and
educational
way
to
get
some
of
that
back,
but
ultimately
it
from
a
policy
perspective.
I'm
still
I
I
I
I
will
still
have
concerns,
although
I
am
at
this
point
inclined
to
vote
in
favor
of
this,
given
the
some
of
the
nuances
to
to
the
opportunity
presented
on
this
occasion.
Thank
you.
A
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
bagley
and
then
before
I
go
back
to
you,
commissioner,
kieran
or
hughes,
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
fusrelli
if
there's
anything
that
he
would
like
to
share
with
us
about
staff's
thinking
with
a
some
of
the
feedback
that's
been
given.
Y
Y
This
is
very
frustrating
and
disappointing
in
a
lot
of
means,
but
I
also
again,
as
commissioner
lynn
tell
me
said,
should
we
be
looking
at
this
would
be
the
only
time
that
50
would
come
in,
or
does
this
set
a
precedent
down
the
road
that
well
because
there's
a
special
thing
or
a
component
or
this
that
50
is
going
to
be
okay
and
again
we're
talking
again
about
luxury
rentals,
which
again
leaves
the
middle
out?
Y
And
yes,
there
are,
you
know
some
affordable
units
in
here,
but
we're
right
back
where
we
were
before
and
we're
grappling
with
this
again.
So
we
really
do
need
to
to
to
come
to
some
sort
of
place
of.
I
guess
better
dealing
with
this,
because
I'm
fearful
that
this
is
not
going
away
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
more
of
this,
and
I
just
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
a
president
being
set
here.
Thank
you.
A
I
had
said
that
I
was
going
to
go
to
mr
fiscally
before
I
go
to
commissioner
guerin
so
I'll.
I
will
do
that
if,
if
mr
israeli,
if
you're
able
to
to
add
any
comments
or.
Q
Yeah
thoughts
know
absolutely
thank
you,
chair
weir,
and
thank
you
for
the
other
comments
and
feedback
from
the
commission.
I
just
to
keep
this
brief.
I
think
we
as
staff
very
much
appreciate
the
concerns
that
the
commission
is
raising
this
evening,
as
you
have
raised
previously
about
this
question
in
this
pattern
that
we're
seeing
with
applications,
particularly
for
temporary
conversions
of
resident
new
residential
to
hotel.
But
in
this
case
you
know,
there's
also,
I
understand
some
trepidation
about
the
requested
permanent
conversion.
Q
Just
a
quick
update.
You
know
when
we
had
our
work
session
on
the
with
the
county
board
and
planning
commission
leadership
in
september
of
last
year.
You
know
we
had
communicated
our
intents
to
the
board
that
you
know
we
will
keep
this
on
our
list
as
a
sort
of
unscheduled
study
to
be
undertaken
in
the
future.
I
think
we
were
looking.
Q
You
know
to
start
that
within
the
next
two
years
or
so
just
given,
I
think
the
as
you
all
can
appreciate
the
very
ambitious
work
program
that
we
are
currently
grappling
with
and
have
before
us.
So,
in
that
context
we
also
you
know,
as
specifically
relates
to
temporary
conversions.
Q
You
know
we
communicated
a
message
to
the
board
that
we
would
be
willing
to
consider
temporary
conversions
up
to
24
months
at
that
you
know
if
they
come
in
and
in
undertaking
that
future
study,
we
would
be
really
looking
to
formulate
potential
policy
guidance
to
so
that
the
commission
staff
and
the
board
and
others
could
benefit
in
how
we
evaluate
those
types
of
requests.
Q
This
particular
case,
as
I
think,
as
many
of
you
have
mentioned,
we
view-
is
very
distinctly
different.
Yes,
we
want
to
continue
to
maximize,
retain
and
maximize
the
housing
stock
and
inventory
we
have
in
arlington,
but
I
do
think
that
we
are
also
looking
at
this
from
a
perspective
of
the
overall
community
and
the
balanced
mix
of
uses
that
we
want
to
continue
to
sustain
today
and
tomorrow
in
arlington
and
ms
badger
spoke
to
the
the
loss
of
1600
hotel
rooms
we've
seen
since
the
start
of
kovid.
Q
There's
we
understand
in
speaking
with
colleagues
at
economic
development
and
others.
It's
a
challenging
climate
for
the
financing
to
develop
new
new
hotel
buildings,
at
least
today,
who
knows
what
the
future
holds,
but
really
to
hear
the
connection
with
marymount
university
as
the
applicant
and
as
strengthening
the
university
as
an
anchor
institution
in
boston.
Q
On
balance,
you
know
we
see
this
as
a
very
distinctly
different
proposal
if
this
were
simply
a
proposal
for
the
permanent
conversion
of
a
standalone
residential
building
with
no
educational
connection
without
a
university
as
being
the
applicant,
I
think
we
would
be
having
a
very
different
perspective
and
evaluation
of
that
so
just
wanted.
You
know
for
context
just
wanted
to
share
some
updates
on
where
we
are
with
the
potential
policy
formulation,
as
well
as
some
of
the
further
considerations
that
we
brought
to
this
review.
A
Thank
you,
mr
fuzzerelli.
I
appreciate
that
context.
Commissioner
kieran
I'm
gonna
go
back
over
to
you.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
chair,
we're
yeah,
I'm.
I
do
understand
that
this
is
a
unique
situation
that
we're
talking
about
supporting
the
university
and
as
an
educator.
I
am
all
for
that.
I
have
a
question,
though:
how
would
the
with
the
applicants
support
something
that
ensured
that
this
use
was
as
intended?
This
property
has
changed
hands
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
What's
to
say,
it
won't
sell
again
now,
with
these
new
conditions,.
AC
So
I'll
I'll
take
a
stab
at
that,
so
there's
there's
nothing.
That
would
would
stop
the
property
from
from
being
transferred
in
the
future.
Should
marymount
choose
to
do
that?
AC
As
ms
badger
mentioned
this,
this
conversion
would
run
it
if,
if
this
site
plan
amendment
is
approved,
it
would
obviously
continue
to
run
with
the
land
and
the
future
owner
would
be
would
be
subject
to
that
use
and
they
could
certainly
come
in
in
the
future
and
and
ask
to
modify
that
that
use
again,
it's
it's
inherent
in
our
our
our
process,
but
I
don't
know
if,
if
barry
wants
to
speak
to
the
to
the
manner
of
of
the
financing
further
on
the
financing
arrangement,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
the
university
does
does
intend
to
to
keep
this
building
for
the
foreseeable
future.
AD
AD
I
I
will
let
my
fellow
commissioners
speak
to
that.
I
think
I'm
not
alone
and
wanting
to
have
some
security
in
the
use
for
this,
as
it
goes
forward,
commissioner,
where
would
you
let
commissioner
peterson
go
in
advance
of
commissioner
hughes.
A
U
L
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
have
been
thinking
through
a
possible
motion
that
I
would
like
to
hear
my
fellow
commissioners
feedback
on,
which
would
be
to
say,
the
planning
commission
recommends
to
the
county
board
to
include
a
site
plan,
condition
that
the
conversion
to
hotel
units
be
predicated
on
the
properties
used
for
educational
purposes,
which
would
ensure
that
we're
able
to
support
the
students
today,
but
that
the
property
couldn't
be
sold
to
you
know
the
marriott
or
the
hilton
and
then
just
use
without
benefiting
students,
which
kind
of
goes
against.
L
M
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
I
I
turned
off
my
my
camera
for
all
those
I
apologize
it's
just
too
dark
in
here.
I
want
to
associate
myself
with
my
previous
commissioner's
comments,
and,
and
it
does,
it
is
very
difficult
for
me
to
see
it.
I
think
that
the
the
200
students
do
go
now
out
into
the
marketplace.
They
need
to
find
a
house
to
live
in
a
room
to
live
in
somewhere
and
and
as
a
reflected,
they
push
out
others
through
rent
filter.
M
It's
just
fundamentally
that's
what
happens
when
you
remove
it
from
the
university
providing
the
housing
themselves.
So
it's
not
a
it's,
not
an
indiscriminate
function.
To
think
about
that
it
does
impact
on
the
broader
community
for
this
choice,
and
I
am
somewhat
persuaded
by
the
educational
advocacy
advocates
of
it,
but
I
am
aware
that
shusham
built
this
and
found
a
millionaire,
the
only
ones
who
made
much
money
on
it,
and
so
I
think,
and
for
that
note
I
think,
to
marymount.
M
I
encourage
you
to
lay
bare
your
financial
placement
in
this
to
your
students
so
that
they
can
see
it
in
business
school
and
not
make
that
mistake.
Later
on
in
life,
george
mason
tried
this
ten
years
ago
that
building
was
a
hotel.
They
built
that
was
then
converted
to
a
residential
campus
building
because
it
failed.
So
I,
as
I
I'm
hopeful
and
optimistic
and
willing
to
defer
a
little
bit.
I
I
understand
and
sympathize
with
my
commissioners.
M
My
only
comment
to
commissioner
peterson
for
consideration
is
these
matters,
and
this
is
where
we
get
back
to
so
many
issues
in
housing,
tied
back
to
the
bankers
as
we
we're
learning
on
a
global
scale.
Now
how
much
the
bankers
rule
the
world,
and
so
it's
not
something,
I
suspect,
we'll
be
able
to
solve
tonight.
M
Commissioner
peterson,
although
I'm
not
opposed
to
it,
but
I
encourage
you
to
provide
flexibility
and
encouragement
for
staff
to
think
about
how
we
can,
if
marymount's
willing,
to
find
a
way
to
codify
such
an
action
that
the
educational
purpose
is
the
the
the
trying
function
as
to
the
hotel
use.
So
that's
my
only
comment,
commissioner.
A
Thank
you.
I'm
gonna
go
to
commissioner
morton.
Unless
commissioner
peterson,
you
still
have
your
hand
up.
If
there's
something
you
wanted
to
add,
I
guess
you're
you're
still
in
line,
but
if
not
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
morton.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Morton.
K
Thank
you
chair.
We
are
align
myself
with
the
comments
of
my
colleagues,
commissioner
hughes
phrased.
It
very
nicely
just
now.
You
know
I
am
I
am
concerned
again.
I
love
the
the
concept
of
providing
some
education.
I
want
to
clarification.
Then
I
have
a
comment.
I
thought
the
applicant
said
because
of
the
tax,
was
it
tax,
increment
financing?
It
had
to
be
educational
somehow,
and
you
know
my.
K
I
share
some
of
the
unease
of
my
colleagues
about
what
might
happen
later,
particularly
since
you
said
no
other
hotel
chain
had
been
interested
in
doing
an
educational
program.
Unfortunately,
with
the
exception
of
why
hotel-
and
you
know
we
know
things
change
so
if
we
permanently,
you
know,
dismiss
these
housing
units,
you
know
from
arlington
and
then
it
just
proves
to
be
difficult.
I
also
know
universities,
you
know
change
and
get
restructured
and
programs
go
in
and
out
of
fashion.
K
So
I
wish
I
felt
more
confident
in
what
sounds
like
you
know,
a
really
nice
opportunity.
I
was
really
hoping
before
we
had
another
issue
like
this
to
get
staff
guidance
and
I'm
I'm
uncomfortable
personally
voting
in
favor
of
this.
At
this
point,
because
I
wish
it
had
been
further
studied,
thanks,
like.
A
Let
me
I
appreciate
that
you
want
to
respond.
Mr
hart,
I
want
to
get
commissioner
steinberger's
comments
and
then
perhaps
you
can
respond
to
the
all
of
them.
Z
Hi,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
commissioner
peterson's
motion,
and
that
is
something
that
I
I
would
be
supportive
of.
I
think
it
addresses
the
unique
nuances
and
qualifications
to
this
program.
I
think
you've
we've
heard
from
any
commissioners
are
appealing
to
us.
Even
if
we
have
reservations
about
the
fact
the
county
has
not
been
able
to
fully
study
the
matter
of
converting
residential
units
to
hotel
units
on,
in
from
a
broader
policy
perspective
that
we've
been
looking
for
over
the
past
x
number
of
months
and
years.
Z
I
think
that
that
is
to
me
that
that
sort
of
nicely
solidifies
why
this
is
a
unique
situation
and
one
that
I'm
willing
to
support
while
still
having
reservations
about
the
from
a
policy
perspective
overall.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
steinberger,
mr.
I
will
go
back
to
you
and
thank
you
for
asking.
I
appreciate
that.
AD
AD
So
so
for
better
for
worse
that
building
is
going
to
be
for
educational
purposes
for
the
next
48
years,
and
that
makes
us
happy
that's
what
we
want
it
to
be.
We
we
wish
it
was
full
of
students
renting
by
the
bed,
but
it's
not
so
we
wish
that
it
could
be
used
for
educational
purpose,
for
our
our
students
to
learn
really
how
to
be
an
executive.
In
today's
rapidly
changing
world
of
hospitality,.
A
Thank
you,
mr
hart,
commissioner,
that
that's
that's,
I
think,
mr
had
that
might
prove
helpful.
We'll
we'll
see
how
I
appreciate
that
that
that
bit
of
that
that
background
on
the
financing,
commissioner
patel.
N
Thank
you,
commissioner,
where
I
actually
do
believe
that
mr
hart's
explanation
of
the
the
I
guess
the
so
I'm
losing
my
property
law
right
now,
but
that
it
runs
with
that
building.
N
You
know
that
there's
this
restriction
that
runs
with
the
building
that
does
give
me
the
level
of
comfort
to
not
have
to
move
forward
in
terms
of
providing
a
site
plan
condition,
but
rather
move
forward
with
voting
either
up
or
down
on
this
proposal
and
thinking
about
what
the
the
other
concerns
are
around
the
presidential
effect
of
of
this
type
of
of
kind
of
process,
hotel
conversion
and
the
permanency
issues,
and
I
think
those
end
up
being
the
bigger
issues
now,
because
we
can
lay
aside
the
concerns
around
the
nuance,
the
the
educational
purpose
of
this
project.
L
L
I
I
don't
want
to
imply
that
we're
getting
incorrect
information
from
the
applicant,
but
I
also
want
to
just
make
sure
we're
doing
our
due
diligence
to
make
sure
that
that
there's
no
way
you
know
a
savvy
lawyer
from
a
potential
luxury
hotel
business
couldn't
find
an
out
in
the
loan
contract
or
or
whatnot.
AB
L
AB
Yeah
yeah,
so
that
is,
that
is
not
something
that
we
would
know.
It's
not
a
deed
restriction.
So
unfortunately
I
don't
have
a
good
answer
for
you
that
that's
something
that
the
applicant
would
be
aware
of.
A
M
Please,
with
commissioner
peterson
you
might,
you
might
want
to
stay
on,
and
I
apologize
again
that
my
house
is
dark,
so
it
would
just
be
a
black
screen
if
I
turn
it
on.
Commissioner
peterson,
I
encourage
you
that
if
you
believe
it
is
necessary
in
the
belt
and
suspenders
is
the
is
the
term
I
like
to
continue
to
use
only
in
memory
of
commissioner
yakimini
presence
on
our
commission.
M
I
encourage
you
to
do
so
because
whether
the
board
adopts
it
or
not,
it
may
very
well
choose
to
be
a
good
sense
of
the
commission
to
make
that
a
more
formal
note
and
for
for
those
out
there
as
a
reminder.
Think
of
it
as
a
mortgage.
M
It's
a
lean,
it's
a
lien
against
the
building
and
it
has
covenants
and
restrictions
within
it
and,
as
mr
hart
mentioned
in
his
testimony
at
the
moment,
the
market
in
in
their
opinion,
doesn't
support
any
other
buyer
of
that
of
that
note,
so
it
makes
it
a
non-slant
deal,
but
the
only
question
I
have
for
the
applicant,
if
commissioner
will
allow
me
is,
is
there
any
educational
restrictions
or
deep
covenant
restrictions
that
were
provided
when
the
land
was
gifted
to
the
to
the
university
or
is
it
free
and
clear.
M
A
And
I
see
one
hand
mr
pritchard.
AC
Yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
no,
we,
we
didn't
provide
staff
with
any
kind
of
financial
info
to
sort
of
back
up
what
what
mr
hart
is
explaining,
but
since
the
the
bond
financing
information
is
all
recorded
in
the
land
records
or
otherwise
publicly
available
for
what
it's
worth,
we'd
be
happy
to
share
that,
with
with
staff
between
now
and
the
county
board.
Hearing.
A
There's
a
possibility,
mr
pritchard,
that
that's
something
that
staff
will
be
asked
to
speak
to,
depending
on
what
additional
motions
are
adopted
and
what
the
county
board
decides
to
make
of
them.
So
thank
you
for
raising
that.
A
A
Actually,
I'm
just
going
to
make
the
motion.
I
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
recommend
that
the
county
board
adopt
the
site
plan.
Amendment
ordinance
attached
to
the
staff
report
3
to
allow
a
conversion
of
up
to
133
units
from
residential
use,
to
hotel
use
at
the
rixie
building,
subject
to
all
previously
approved
conditions,
amended
conditions,
number
37
and
47
and
new
condition
number
68.,
and
this
is
just
to
get
us
on
to
get
us
moving
along.
We
have
a
second
from
commissioner
hughes.
A
I
am
going
to
forgo
speaking
to
the
motion
at
this
point
and
call
on
commissioner
peterson.
Mr
pritchard,
you
your
hand
is
still
up
that
may
be
residual
I'll
come
back
to
you
if
need
be.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Peterson.
L
I'm
not
sure
administratively,
if
I
do
still
want
to
introduce
my
motion
when
I
do
that
when
I
should
do
that.
So
if
you
can
just
let
me
know.
A
I
would
appreciate
it:
you
have
the
floor,
so
now
would
be
in
order,
but
if
you
want
to
wait
for
any
reason,
that's
fine
too.
L
Okay,
well
I'll
just
say
that
I
would
like
to
continue
to
introduce
the
motion,
because
if
it
is
redundant,
I
don't
think
it
hurts
to
have
a
motion
to
commissioner
hughes's
point.
It
lets
the
county
board,
know
kind
of
some
of
our
discussion
and
the
feeling
of
the
group
and
if
it,
if
somehow
there
was
a
savvy
lawyer
who
could
get
get
out
of
the
the
covenant,
then
this
potentially
would
help.
So
should
I
just
read
it
to
everybody
again,.
A
Z
L
A
Dude
steve
sorry
overreacting.
I
was
gonna
say
that
commissioner
patel
could
ask
commissioner
peterson
to
amend
it,
but
now
she
can't
do
that,
but
but
commissioner
patel,
what
was
the
amendment
you
had
in
mind.
N
A
With
unanimous
cause
without
objection,
the
amendment
is
is
adopted.
Commissioner
peterson,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
speak
to
your
motion,
a
second
by
commissioner
hughes
as
amended,
and
then
I
will
go
to
commissioners,
patel
and
morton.
L
Okay,
well,
I
think
we've
I've
already
spoken
to
it
a
bit.
My
main
concerns
are
what
I
think
many
of
us
feel
that
we
don't
want
to
set
a
precedent
that
we're
converting
more
residential
units
into
hotel
units.
We
are,
as
a
group
concerned,
about
the
supply
of
residential
units
in
the
county,
and
this
would
be
you
know
letting
the
county
board
know
that
we
do
support
this
particular
conversion,
because
it's
for
educational
purposes,
but
in
principle
you
know
we
still
have
some
hesitation
here.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
peterson.
I'm
gonna
go
to
commissioner
morton.
K
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry
for
continuing
to
wordsmith.
Would
commissioner
peterson
consider
saying
academic
purposes?
I
think
commissioner
patel's
continued
kind
of
allays
my
concern
a
bit,
but
I
am
thinking
about
you
know:
could
it
be
like
a
conference
center
or
something
like
that,
because
I
think
what
what's
appealing
is
the
tie,
there's
a
slight
difference
between
academic
and
educational
that
maybe
maybe
I'm
the
only
one
concerned
about.
L
I'm
happy
to
make
that
clarification
in
particular,
as
you
are
an
educator.
L
A
A
Without
objection,
the
the
amendment
will
be
adopted.
A
Commissioner,
patel
your
hand
is
back
down.
Okay.
Is
there
anyone
else,
who'd
like
to
speak
to
the
amendment.
M
I'll
simply
say,
commissioner,
that
I
intend
to
support
it,
although
I
I
understand
it's
intent,
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
belts
and
suspenders.
I
don't
know
if
it
will
ultimately
achieve
the
restrictions
as
a
the
same
as
a
covenant
on
a
land
or
anything
like
that,
but
it's
probably
the
good
the
best
compromise
we
can
hope
for
with
respect
to
the
fact
that
it
shouldn't
encumber
the
applicant
if
it's
truly
their
goal,
to
have
it
as
an
academic.
M
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
hughes.
I'm
not
sure
how
it
would
actually
become
a
you
know,
a
covenant,
because
the
board
isn't
really
a
party
to
it,
but
I
I
yeah
your
points
are
well
taken.
A
If
there
are
no
other,
if
so
that,
if
there
are
no
other
commissioners
who
wish
to
be
heard
on
this,
I'm
going
to
call
the
role
for
the
amendment.
And
basically
you
know
what
this
will
take.
The
form
of
it'll
just
be
a
second
paragraph
to
the
to
the
main
motion.
B
I
K
C
A
Schroell
is
still
absent.
Commissioner
steinberger,
I
vote
I
as
well.
The
amendment
to
the
main
motion
carries
unless
there
are
any
other
commissioners
who
want
to
be
heard.
As
respect
to
the
main
motion,
I'm
going
to
call
the
role
for
that.
Commissioner
bagley.
A
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
skipped
you
so
thank
you.
The
the
amendment
carries
then
10-0.
Thank
you,
commissioner
sally.
My
apologies
on
the
main
motion
then,
as
amended
commissioner
begley.