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From YouTube: Arlington County Planning Commission - December 6 2017
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A
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
second
night
of
our
December
2017
meeting
of
the
Orange
County
Planning
Commission
tonight
on
our
agenda
is
the
housing
Conservation
District
as
a
reminder
to
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this
item.
Your
speaker
slip
has
to
be
turned
in
to
our
clerk
right
over
to
my
right
right
about
now.
So,
if
you
haven't
turned
your
speaker
slip,
please
do
so
very
quickly
and
madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
next
item
tonight.
B
Our
meeting
begins
with
item
number
five
establishment
of
a
housing
Conservation
District
consistent
with
adopted,
affordable
housing
goals
and
objectives
through
adoption
of
5a,
the
housing,
Conservation
District
policy
framework,
5b
GP
3
4,
0,
1,
7,
1,
5c,
amendment
to
Arlington,
County,
affordable
housing,
master
plan
and
5
d,
zo
ADA
2:01
7-0
six.
We
have
Andrew
Douglas
to
present
this
item
from
our
planning
staff.
Mr.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chair
I'd
like
to
also
recognize
Cynthia
Lee
Satori.
It's
who's
here
from
the
stark
preservation
Division
of
C
PhD,
as
well
as
Jennifer
Smith
who've,
been
aiding
in
the
development
of
this
work,
so
housing
conservation
districts,
the
housing
conservation
district
as
proposed,
would
be
a
new
general
Land,
Use
Plan
special
district
designed
to
encourage
the
continued
housing,
affordability
and
traditionally
market
rate,
affordable
housing,
neighborhoods
consistent
with
adopted
County
policies.
D
The
context
for
this
proposal
is
the
increasingly
difficult
situation
for
lower
and
moderate
income
residents
to
find
affordable
housing
and
Arlington
affordable.
When
we
talk
about
affordable,
the
concept
applies
to
everyone
and
means
that
the
household
spends
no
more
than
30%
of
their
income
towards
their
housing
costs
in
Arlington.
D
What
market
rate
affordable
housing
is
different,
there's
no
guarantee
that
these
units
remain
affordable
in
the
future,
and
nor
are
they
subject
to
income
restrictions,
which
is,
it
can
be
looked
at
as
a
positive
or
negative,
depending
on
where
you're
sitting.
But
it's
it's
a
certain
characteristic
of
these
these
units
and
so,
for
example.
D
The
tables
on
this
slide
indicate
what
the
incomes
are
in
evaluating
whether
a
property
is
a
market
rate,
affordable
housing
based
on
a
percentage
of
the
area,
median
income,
so
80%
of
the
area,
median
income,
a
one-bedroom
apartment,
renting
less
for
one
than
1656,
would
be
considered
a
market
rate,
affordable
property
or
a
two
bedroom
apartment
with
rents.
Up
to
1986
dollars
in
2015,
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
was
adopted
as
an
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan
establishing
the
county's,
affordable
housing
policy
under
the
general
goal
of
having
an
adequate
housing
supply.
D
At
the
time
of
the
adoption
of
the
plan,
the
board
directed
staff
regarding
near-term
priorities.
Among
these
priorities,
the
board
asks
staff
to
identify
the
areas
of
the
county
where
market
rate,
affordable
housing
is
located
beyond
the
areas
of
the
county
where
existing
sector
or
area
plans
exist.
Staff
provided
initial
analysis
to
the
board
in
June
of
2006
and
held
a
work
session
with
the
board
in
April
of
this
year
on
the
full
report
of
market
rate,
affordable
housing.
D
The
marks
report
identified
broad
areas
of
the
county
with
clusters
of
market
rate,
affordable
housing.
It
also
made
a
recommendation
that
we
develop
a
new
general
land
use
plan
district
designated
to
encourage
the
continued
housing
affordability
in
these
areas,
which
is
the
housing
Conservation
District.
D
Creating
lasting
affordability
usually
requires
some
sort
of
subsidy.
Well,
a
TIF
cannot
support.
Securing
all
the
affordable
marks
in
the
county
density
has
provided
alternatives
to
acquisitions
to
create
affordable,
affordable
units.
An
example
of
this
would
be
the
Wellington
approved
last
year
on
Columbia
Pike
as
part
of
the
forum
based
code,
where
new
development
and
then
field
development
provided
for
the
preservation
of
105,
affordable
units
and
the
existing
building.
The
neighborhood
context
of
the
proposed
HCD
also
is
not
appropriate
for
the
types
of
densities
that
we
see
in
the
Metro
corridors.
D
As
we
looked
at
the
characteristics
and
the
market
rate,
affordable
housing
properties
in
the
proposed
HCD,
we
found
that
about
60%
of
the
properties
had
no
remaining
capacity
under
their
existing
zoning
for
additional
units.
Current
regulations
provide
a
little
flexibility
to
accommodate
additional
reinvestment.
Many
marks
are
non
conforming
to
the
current
zoning
ordinance
standards
and
would
need
to
be
redesigned
to
meet
current
requirements.
For
instance,
many
do
not
have
the
current
parkings
standards
and
market
forces
continue
to
encourage
redevelopment
in
the
construction
of
townhomes.
D
Townhouses
is
a
single-family
use
which
competes
with
multi-family
housing
within
the
RA
or
multiple
family
dwelling
districts.
The
townhomes
are
often
designed
to
be
three
to
four
storeys
in
height,
with
pitched
roof
lines,
resulting
in
a
vertical
form,
as
opposed
in
juxtaposed
to
the
low-rise
character
and
style
of
garden.
Apartments.
Most
of
Arlington
is
garden
style.
Apartment
buildings
were
designed
to
resemble
large
manor
homes
featuring
cohesive
landscape
and
facade
treatments.
Townhouses
are
often
designed
to
feature
individual
garages.
D
This
can
result
in
numerous
curb
cuts,
impacting
the
supply
of
on-street
parking
spaces
and
impacting
walkability
at
other
times.
Garage
access
requires
the
creation
of
new
private
drives
that
can
impact
building
layout
surrounding
properties
and
create
new
areas
of
impervious
surfaces
as
permitted
through
special
exceptions,
site
plan
review,
the
community
and
the
county
board
would
have
the
opportunity
to
identify
and
address
potential
impacts
of
townhouse
use
in
forum
within
the
housing
conservation
districts
and
develop
developing
the
policy
framework.
D
We
looked
at
past
precedents
from
the
county's
experiences
and
addressing
similar
issues
through
the
voluntary,
coordinated
housing
preservation
and
Development
District,
the
special,
affordable
housing
protection
district,
the
Columbia
Pike
neighborhoods
form-based
code
and
the
Fort
Meyer
Heights
North
special
district,
the
housing,
Conservation
District
policy
framework
builds
on
the
market
rate,
affordable
housing
report
providing
general
direction
and
recommendations
for
the
development
of
the
housing
Conservation
District.
That
would
serve
as
a
foundation
for
the
future
housing
Conservation
District
plan.
D
This
policy
framework
recommends
establishing
a
housing,
Conservation,
District
and
12,
clearly
defined
areas
based
on
general
land
use
plan,
Asians
zoning
and
other
criteria
allowing
for
context
appropriate
renovation
in
additions.
Infill
and
redevelopment
projects
include
affordability,
components
and
implementation
of
the
district
in
multiple
phases.
The
first
phase
would
establish
the
district
and
respond
to
immediate
redevelopment
pressures
in
the
second
phase
would
follow
on
with
further
incentives.
D
The
boundaries
for
the
proposed
housing
conservation
districts
were
developed
by
applying
a
consistent
criteria.
Areas
had
to
be
planned
in
the
general
land-use
plan
for
low
medium
or
medium
residential
development
and
have
an
RA
14:26,
RA
818,
or
our
a
615
owning
designation
and
contain
two
or
more
mark
building
complexes
or
a
single
large
complex.
We
also
followed
lot
lines:
roadways,
natural
barriers,
zoning
and
glove
district
boundaries
tried
to
limit
properties
that
weren't
included
in
the
original
marks.
D
Report
included
nearby
committed,
affordable
housing,
excluding
site
plan,
regulated
properties,
including
adjacent
market
rate,
buildings
with
rents,
and
a
teetering
on
the
market
rate
between
80
and
85
percent
of
AMI,
and
we
incorporated
the
areas
in
Lehi
way,
understanding
that
their
designation
may
be
revisited.
As
part
of
the
Lehi
way
planning
process
and
that
the
HCV
designation
might
provide
interim
protections
as
an
example
of
this
approach
to
the
mapping,
we
can
look
at
Westover.
D
So
in
the
first
map
we
see
the
marks
properties
in
blue
link,
amend,
affordable
properties
in
green,
as
indicated
in
the
marks
report
from
earlier
this
year
and
then
to
the
right,
the
general
Land
Use,
Plan,
designation,
the
orangish
area
being
the
the
medium
low
medium
residential
designation
and
the
map
on
the
top
right
shows
the
Zoning
designations.
Now,
when
we
combine
these
all
together,
we
get
the
proposed
boundary
for
the
district,
so
countywide,
the
district,
which
is
a
single
district
with
component
parts,
is
shown
here
in
the
yellow
line.
D
D
Similarly,
in
Westover
bringing
the
recommended
boundary
in
to
remove
a
block
of
townhomes
in
the
bottom-right
corner
of
these
areas,
the
Penrose
area
is
the
only
area
where
a
marked
property
would
be
removed.
The
area
outlined
in
red
is
along
6th
Street,
which
consists
primarily
of
townhomes
the
south
side
of
streets
in
the
Columbia
Pike
planning
area
and
may
be
reconsidered
as
part
of
phase
2.
So
the
marks
that
are
excluded
here
is
a
10
unit.
Building.
D
The
proposed
goals
for
the
housing
Conservation
District
are
to
implement
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
via
the
general
Land
Use
Plan
encourage
the
retention
and
renovation
of
existing
rental.
Affordable
housing
units
provide
opportunities
for
the
creation
of
new,
affordable
units,
either
rental
or
ownership
when
redevelopment
occurs,
to
maintain
the
character,
have
established
multiple
family
areas,
considering
historic
buildings,
tree
canopies,
mix
of
affordability
and
a
mix
of
rental
and
ownership
housing,
and
signal
that
a
variety
of
tools
are
available
to
achieve
these
above
goals,
including
removing
zoning
barriers
to
reinvestment.
D
The
following
objectives
for
the
district
would
be
to
preserve
market
rate,
affordable
housing
up
to
80%
of
the
area.
Median
income
provide
committed,
affordable
rental,
housing
up
to
60%
and
80%
of
the
area.
Median
income
provide
ownership,
housing
between
80
to
120
percent
ami,
sometimes
referred
to
as
the
missing
middle
preserve
buildings
listed
on
the
historic
resource,
inventory
or
National
Register
to
incorporate
sustainable
building
practices
to
encourage
the
renovation
and
infill
development,
while
accommodating
redevelopment
ensuring
that
projects
are
compatible
with
their
surroundings.
D
The
housing
policy
framework,
housing,
Conservation
District
policy
framework
sets
out
the
general
policy
direction
for
the
district,
aiming
to
respond
to
zoning
ordinance
and
non-conformities,
including
parking
setbacks
and
LOC
coverage
to
allow
for
context
appropriate
renovation
addition,
infill
partial
conservation
and
partial
redevelopment
or
full
redevelopment
projects
that
include
affordability,
considerations.
Both
the
review
process
and
the
affordable
housing
requirements
would
be
scaled
to
the
level
of
impact
of
the
development,
ranging
from
administrative
review
for
minor
changes,
with
defined
criteria
to
use
permit
review
for
more
substantive
changes.
D
D
The
second
phase,
the
first
phase,
obviously
is
what
we're
considering
tonight.
The
second
phase
would
consist
of
completing
the
housing
conservation
district
plan
to
develop
and
finalize
inflamation
implementation,
details
for
renovations,
minor
additions,
infill
partial
or
full
redevelopment
through
economic
modeling
and
form
modeling,
C,
appropriate
densities
for
these
areas,
analyzing
other
marks
sites
for
potential
inclusion
within
the
HC
d
boundaries.
D
A
glup,
glup
booklet
would
include
maps
of
e
HC
D
boundaries
and
establish
the
district
goals
and
objectives
adoption
of
an
amendment
to
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
under
policy.
One
point
one
point:
three:
the
make:
every
reasonable
effort
to
preserve
market
rate,
affordable
housing.
This
would
provide
reference
back
to
the
housing
conservation
districts
in
the
general
Land
Use
Plan
and
adoption
of
a
zoning
ordinance
amendment
that
would
reclassify
townhouse
development
as
a
special
exception,
use,
requiring
site
plan
approval
from
the
county
board
and
those
are
a
14:26
RA
818
and
ra
615.
D
Zoning
districts
that
are
within
the
proposed
boundaries
of
the
housing
conservation
district,
so
this
chart
summarized
exists,
summarizes
existing
provisions
for
townhouse
development.
Townhouse
development
requires
different
review
process
in
different
zones
in
the
county,
with
site
plan
review
required
in
the
art,
nt1
family
and
townhouse
dwelling
districts,
as
well
as
the
our
1530
tee
townhouse
dwelling
district
and
the
RA
716.
Multiple
family
dwelling
district
townhouse
development
is
currently
permitted
in
the
RA
14:26
RA
818
and
Ra
615
zoning
districts.
D
Although
within
the
boundaries
of
the
Fort
Myer
Heights
North
special
district
tab
house
development
requires
site
plan
approval
from
the
county
board.
Townhouse
development
was
reclassified
as
a
special
exception
use
in
that
area
owing
to
the
potential
impacts
to
historic
buildings,
affordable
housing
and
tree
canopies.
D
D
Some
townhouses
already
exist
within
the
proposed
boundaries
of
the
housing
Conservation
District.
We
would
clarify
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
existing
townhomes
may
continue
to
complete
interior
and
exterior
alterations
additions
and
expansions
that
comply
with
the
zoning
district
standards
without
site
plan
approval.
The
staff
is
also
proposing
to
make
the
reclassification
effective.
As
of
the
date
of
the
request
to
advertise
language
in
the
proposed
text.
D
Yes,
of
course,
yes,
so
so
at
the
county
board
meeting
on
Monday
the
20
Tuesday
the
20.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
the
27th,
the
board
adopted
a
resolution
requesting
that
the
county
manager
returned
with
a
request
to
advertise
concurrent
with
the
phase
2
recommendations
being
brought
to
the
board,
to
either
consider
the
repeal
continuation
or
modification
of
the
zoning
ordinance
amendment
regarding
the
town
house,
Town
Hall
townhouse
use.
Excuse
me
my
tongues
died.
D
A
Speakers,
thank
you
very
much
because
we
call
the
speakers
I'd
ask
our
clerk
is
gonna
call
in
two
names
at
a
time,
if
you're
next,
in
line,
if
you
would
please
move
down
to
the
front
just
to
expedite
changing
between
speakers
also
for
everyone,
please
understand
that
we
are
being
recorded
both
audio
and
visual,
so
you
have
to
speak
into
a
microphone
and
please
state
your
name
for
the
record.
Would
you
please
call
the
first
speaker?
First,
two
speakers.
A
E
I
manage
retail
and
residential
properties
on
Lee
Highway
the
opportunity
to
be
involved
in
making
the
community
more
attractive
to
participate
in
future
planning
processes
to
help
my
tenants,
cross,
Lee
Highway
safely
was
very
exciting.
Bmc
enthusiastically
agreed
to
participate,
and
now
it's
2017
and
after
much
hard
work
in
surveys,
public
outreach,
charettes
educational
seminars,
even
Awards
Lee,
Highway
Alliance,
is
incorporated,
funded
in
part
by
Arlington
County
and
ready
to
play
an
important
role
in
the
upcoming
Lee
Highway
planning
initiative.
E
I,
say
all
this
to
remind
you
that
Lee
Highway
Alliance
was
intended
by
the
county
to
provide
public
outreach
and
promote
common
goals.
It's
unfortunate
that
the
Alliance's
grassroots
network
wasn't
used
to
introduce
the
housing,
Conservation
District
policy
framework
to
the
public,
and
it's
shocking
that
phase
1
proceeded
without
any
outreach
to
property
owners
without
public
hearings
on
map
boundaries,
without
consideration
of
how
the
upcoming
planning
initiative,
which
hasn't
even
started
yet
will
interact
with
the
proposed
policy.
E
Arlington
County
has
the
best
intentions.
Affordable
housing
is
vital
to
a
healthy
community,
but
the
process
was
flawed
and
it
should
have
been
stopped
by
the
council
instead
of
stopping
the
Train
last
week,
they
let
it
keep
rolling
and
now
it's
time
to
apply
some
brakes,
the
impacts
of
phase
1
are
unknown.
The
stakeholders
have
not
been
heard
is
the
HCD
map
accurate,
the
income
and
rental
data
are
unquestioned
phases.
E
1
&
2
should
be
considered
as
a
whole
carrot
and
stick
together
as
someone
who
is
excited
to
work
with
the
county
and
with
civic
associations
and
with
other
business
owners
and
landlord.
It
feels
like
we've
been
told
by
Arlington
County,
never
mind.
We
got
this
and
I
think
we
should
all
do
justice
to
these
important
issues
by
slowing
this
down.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
F
Evening,
my
name
is
Chris
Jones
and
I
represent
the
owners
of
Lion
Village
Apartments,
which
were
built
by
my
great
grandfather,
Frank
Lyon,
who
developed
Lion,
Village,
Lion,
Park
and
other
sites
throughout
Arlington
County,
it's
hard
to
respond
to
the
merits
of
an
86
page
report
when
you've
been
ambushed
with
it,
the
HCD
policy
framework
was
developed
with
insufficient
stakeholder
input.
No
one
approached
us
and
the
report
was
even
released
when
arlington
county
offices
were
closed
for
Veterans
Day.
Nevertheless,
I
would
like
to
address
two
problematic
issues.
F
F
The
policy
is
clearly
not
applicable
to
our
property
and
it
seems
we've
only
been
looped
into
it
because
of
the
properties
age,
which
is
itself
an
arbitrary
construct.
We
ask
that
the
property
be
removed
from
the
proposed
HCD
boundaries
because
of
the
rush
nature
of
this
process.
This
is
my
first
opportunity
to
object
to
its
inclusion
as
to
the
overall
policy,
it
is
half-baked
seeking
to
rush
the
punitive
consequences
into
the
law
into
law,
presumably
to
stop
a
proposed
townhouse
development,
while
only
vaguely
promising
undefined
incentives
at
an
undefined
date
invites
litigation.
F
This
is
an
unnecessarily
incomplete,
simplest
and
simplistic
approach
to
solving
the
affordable
housing
crisis.
It
is
fraught
with
unintended
consequences
and
unfairly
shifts
the
burdens
of
this
problem
on
to
a
small
group
of
property
owners,
who
are
the
only
ones
who
have
not
contributed
to
the
problem.
In
the
first
place,
many
older
buildings
can
be
hard
to
modernize
at
any
cost
due
to
their
size,
layouts
and
construction
methods.
F
When
the
plumbing
wiring
and
other
infrastructure
begins
to
fail,
it
is
often
significantly
cheaper
to
tear
down
an
old
building
than
to
repair
it,
and
let
us
remember
that
not
all
old
buildings
are
historic.
Some
of
them
are
just
old.
Many
older
buildings
can
be
hard
rather
one
of
the
many
unintended
consequence
of
imposing
restrictions
on
the
ability
of
owners
to
redevelop
their
properties
is,
has
been
seen
nationwide,
and
that
is
the
creation
of
slums
when
owners
can
no
longer
afford
to
repair
and
replace
infrastructure.
F
These
consequences
can
ultimately
ripple
through
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and,
as
these
forces
of
decay
impact,
the
area
avoiding
such
pitfalls
requires
government
getting
the
incentives
right.
That
requires
an
open
engagement
with
all
the
stakeholders,
not
least
of
all
the
property
owners.
That
is
the
Arlington
way.
Government
leaders
also
need
to
recognize
that
the
economic
burden
of
correcting
the
affordable
housing
problem
to
a
large
degree
created
by
government
policy
cannot
be
fairly
shifted
to
a
small
segment
of
the
community
that
did
not
cause
the
problem
to
begin
with.
Thank
You.
G
And
here
members
of
Planning
Commission,
there
is
other
person
remarks
to
be
talking
about
buildings
healing
it's
not
about
the
people,
and
this
is
slice
was
presented
and
Housing
Commission.
In
the
report
of
the
responses,
the
mark
report,
the
statistical
data
show
who
live
in
these
buildings
we're
talking
about,
and
this
is
his
daughter
and
it's
nicely
filled
with
block
a
specific
block
group
of
census
track
and
on
the
margin.
G
It's
a
data
and
person
percentage
who
is
below
who?
How
many
people
feel
in
which
category
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
Stover
only
about
40%
is
feeling
category
below
80
Mei
majority
of
them
is
below
50
next
slide.
Please
verify
this
concept.
I
composite
8
off
the
stove,
the
stove
future
house
210
on
survey
with
data
of
ACS,
and
you
can
see-
is
that
the
those
who
filled
from
50
to
60
and
from
60
to
80
it's
only
30%
on
on
the
actual
talents
and.
G
Generally,
majority
of
people
is
over
income,
even
in
the
store
next
slide.
Just
technicality
is
what
its
meaning
in
the
my
last
slide.
I
turn
it
next
slide.
Please
I
try
to
analyze
how
next
slide.
Please
try
to
analyze
how
mark
clusters
it
should
be
in
capital,
letters,
heat
to
block
groups
similar
to
the
store,
and
it's
a
42
block
groups
is
in
in
housing,
consideration
districts,
but
only
14
of
them
have
data
of
law.
G
Moderate
income
with
what
in
this
is
on
screen,
what's
mean
the
rest
of
28
make
a
very
small
number
of
one
model,
concurrent
people,
and
it's
means
that
when
this
foster
data,
the
most
people
who
live
there
is
over
over
and
calm,
and
the
plan
of
the
county
is
converted.
Eventually
is
low
income
housing,
forcing
these
people
and
from
other
sites
if
you're
looking
for
low
income,
people
majority
of
them
is
not
would
be
afford
to
live
in
the
affordable
housing
because
it
below
sistema
or
well
below.
A
H
Good
evening
as
you're
aware
on
november
27th,
the
county
board
approved
a
six
million
dollar
1/2
loan
to
a
housing,
nonprofit
and
for-profit
for
the
park
Shirlington
apartments
in
south
31st
street,
because
my
neighbors
and
I
who
live
in
the
vicinity
of
Abingdon
school
were
and
our
concern
about
the
impacts
of
infill
on
our
quality
of
life.
We
retained
a
land-use
planning
and
zoning
attorney
who
practices
here
in
arlington
to
represent
us
and
redevelopment
matters
Abingdon
school
park
Shirlington
three
years
ago,
alexandria
gateway
on
king
street.
H
We
also
filed
a
FOIA
request
to
determine
what
decisions
were
made
by
county
government
regarding
park.
Shirlington,
we
only
received
material
from
our
folio
request.
Yesterday
we
know
that
the
park,
Shirlington
housing
conservation
district
would
also
include
Shirlington
house.
A
high-rise
rental
building
includes
inclusion
of
Shirlington
house
was
not
discussed
during
the
October
and
November
Housing
Commission
meetings.
H
As
what
would
happen
to
current
residents
below
40%
of
AMI
and
above
80%
of
AMI.
It's
clear.
They
would
be
evicted
and
would
live
elsewhere,
commuting
to
Prince
William
County
via
Express
Lanes,
for
example,
or
living
in
accessory
units
constructed
in
basements
by
mr.
gut
shawls
residential
construction
company.
To
use
another
example,.
H
We
received
and
reviewed
several
spreadsheets
with
the
reported
incomes
of
most
Park
Shirlington
residents
in
the
FOIA
materials.
We
are
appalled
that
so
many
County
staff
employed
by
C
PhD
are
able
to
micromanage
the
lives
of
park,
Shirlington
residents
and
other
Arlington
residents
in
secret
for
weeks
and
months
without
anyone
knowing
anything
about
it.
I
Said
on
good
evening,
my
name
is
ginger
Brown
and
I'm.
The
vice-president
of
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance,
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
purpose,
is
to
promote
the
revitalization
and
community
development
through
civic
engagement
of
the
residential
and
business
communities
and
interests
along
the
Lee
highway
corridor.
We
are
guided,
guided
by
a
set
of
principles
that
were
developed
through
extensive
work
with
our
communities
along
and
near
the
corridor,
including
18,
different
civic
associations.
These
guiding
principles
were
verified
through
the
Lee
Highway
visioning
process
that
took
place
over
two
years
ago.
I
Conservation
District
done
right
with
public
engagement,
the
right
coordination
with
the
blue
Highway
planning
initiative,
fair
incentives
for
our
landowners.
This
just
shouldn't
be
that
big
of
a
lift
LH
a
believes
deeply
in
inclusivity,
transparency,
public
education
and
public
engagement.
They
are.
This
is
central
to
who
we
are
as
an
organization,
and
it's
why
we
exist.
Ultimately,
we
are
consensus.
Builders,
good
public
policy
necessitates
consensus,
as
we
all
know
too
well
that
Trust
is
hard
to
build
and
so
easy
to
destroy,
especially
that
at
the
beginning
of
a
major
planning
effort
with
so
many
stakeholders.
I
Basically,
the
stick
with
that
without
the
carrots
just
isn't
fair.
Our
hope
is
that
this
will
be
deferred,
so
careful
consideration
be
given
to
these
sweeping
changes
and
that
the
boundaries
of
the
HCD
maps
are
scrutinized
and
justified,
and
we
do
understand
that
this
is
meant
to
be
more
of
a
moratorium
on
a
final
more
than
a
final
product.
I
We
know
that
because
we
are
a
Dillon
rule,
state,
a
sunset
provision
wasn't
possible,
but
we
still
believe
the
incentives
should
be
rolled
out
at
the
same
time
as
the
restrictions
and
she
recorded
coordinated
with
the
Lee
Highway
planning
initiative.
We
don't
quite
feel
the
same
pressure
as
other
areas
like
Westover
for
townhouse
redevelopment.
I
We
don't
have
an
adopted
plan,
but
Lee
highway
should
be
considered
in
a
different
category
than
those
areas
where
no
plan
is
even
being
contemplated.
We
are
different
than
areas
like
Westover,
because
we
are
about
to
embark
on
a
much
anticipated
long-range
planning
process,
backed
by
huge
grassroots,
following
without
careful
consideration,
there
could
be
unintended
consequences
and
the
destruction
of
public
trust
just
when
we
need
it
most
consider
the
incentives
and
Phase
two.
These
changes
are
just
about
aren't
just
about
preserving
marks,
they're
about
incentive.
I
Anticipating
consequences
could
be
piecemeal
development
and
an
undermining
of
the
entire
planning
process.
For
instance,
we
might
miss
out
on
a
new
pedestrian
connection
or
open
space
opportunities.
We
might
miss
opportunities
to
break
up
super
blocks
or
rely
on
the
streets.
We
might
tie
our
hands
before
we
even
begin,
so
we
do
hope
that
you'll
consider
how
we
fit
into
this
over
time.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
J
Yeah
I'm
Stuart,
Stein
and
I
very
much
appreciate
and
fully
support
the
original
goal
for
this
effort,
and
that
is
the
preservation
of
Marx.
It's
a
wonderful
thing
to
finally
see
a
preservation
plan
being
worked
on.
I
certainly
hope
it
stays
that
way
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
actual
tools
for
preservation
for
quite
a
few
years.
On
the
other
hand,
I
would
oppose
any
additional
plan
dedicated
to
expanding
or
in
further
incentivizing
redevelopment.
J
I
feel
this
will
only
destroy
the
very
communities
were
trying
to
preserve
when
the
goals
refer
to
preservation,
the
ability
to
accommodate
development.
That
is
one
thing
to
incentivize
or
encourage.
It
would
be
something
else
entirely,
and,
of
course
all
this
will
have
to
do
very
much
with
what's
going
to
be
considered
in
phase
2.
J
J
J
But
we
need
to
do
something
about
it
or
never,
displaced
by
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
This
is
something
that
very
much
needs
to
be
discussed
at
tenant-landlord.
They
said
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
not
in
the
guidelines
but
considered
in
the
planning
that
we're
going
to
spend
a
year.
Planning
I
hope
is
something
that
will
come
up.
Lastly,
as
we
move
forward,
we
need
to
be
very
careful
when
shifting
things
to
administrative
approval.
This
should
in
no
way
be
a
way
to
circumvent
input
from
those
that
will
be
impacted.
J
This
is,
of
course,
only
for
expansion
and
redevelopment
I
very
much
appreciate
the
general
ideas
for
making
it
easier
to
invest
in
and
do
small
development
to
be
able
to
maintain
its
homes.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
things
in
the
future,
probably
tools
along
the
financial
side
in
particular,
which
have
been
spoken
about
for
a
long
time,
but
really
need
to
start
coming
out,
and
that's
that's
with
taxes
and.
K
Thanks,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
board's
pleasure
to
be
here,
I'll
be
brief:
I
Benjamin,
Keaney
book
architect,
I
want
to
represent
the
Lee
Highway,
Association
and
I,
won't
repeat
everything
she
said,
but
I
think
ginger
nailed
it
I
couldn't
say
it
better.
So
I
won't
try
it's
a
local
resident
and
professional
in
the
area.
I'm.
Also
a
vice
president.
K
My
Civic,
Association
and
I
have
to
echo
the
thought
that
this
thing
just
ambushed
me
and
what
a
sucker
punch
one
of
the
most
more
heavy
documents
that
I
think
that
I've
I've
went
through
recently
in
a
large
glob
change.
With
all
this
area
being
looked
at.
At
the
same
time,
it
was
a
little
bit
overwhelming
and
I
think
it's.
It
needs
to
slow
down.
I
think
we
need
to
meditate
over
this
a
little
more
on
one
hand,
I've
been
kind
of
concerned
about
some
of
the
things
that
I've
seen.
K
People
in
our
818
zones
do
and
I
think
that
sometimes
they
can
kind
of
turn
their
backs
on
the
rest
of
the
city
and
that's
problematic.
On
the
other
hand,
I've
lived
in
marked
units
and
I
see
potential
for
urban
decay
in
some
of
those
buildings.
Specifically
I
won't
mention
the
ones,
but
there
was
one
or
two
only
at
the
Lee
highway
corridor
that
were
I,
think
it's
well
intended,
but
I
don't
know
that
that's
really
the
type
of
housing
product
that
we
want
to
do.
K
We
want
to
hold
on
to
it's
kind
of
like
a
this
buying
thing.
Should
it
be,
you
know,
renovated
and
brought
up
potentially
yeah
absolutely
and
it
may
be.
Affordable
housing
could
be
a
part
of
that,
but
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
like
slow
down.
Have
that
community
involvement
talk
to
these
landowners
and
the
appropriate
associations,
and
really
think
this
through
as
a
community.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
A
L
L
A
M
You,
mr.
chairman,
the
staff
has
noted
in
their
their
process.
Slides
lrpc
has
heard
about
the
concept
of
housing
conservation
district
in
June,
and
then
we
had
a
joint
lrpc
zoko
meeting
in
October.
So
Commissioner
Garin
has
contributed
to
the
lrpc
zoko
report
that
you
see
in
front
of
us,
since
one
of
the
components
is
actually
a
proposal
to
change
the
zoning
code.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
background
and
I
will
say
that
the
first
meeting
in
June
I
think
staff
was
very
much
still
formulating
what
they
thought
they
would
do.
M
They
had
had
a
work
session
with
the
county
board
and
the
county
board
had
directed
that
the
notion
of
a
housing
conservation
district
be
pursued,
so
that
was
a
lot
of
work
was
done
by
staff
between
June
and
October.
But
even
in
our
October
meeting
there
were
some
things
that
still
had
not
yet
been
fully
vetted
or
fully
fleshed
out,
so
that
we
could
discuss
them
breaking
it
down
by
topic.
M
The
adoption
of
the
housing
Conservation
District
policy
framework
in
the
amendment
to
the
glup
to
designate
the
goals,
objectives
and
boundaries
of
housing
concert
districts
as
I
was
saying
at
the
time
of
our
lrpc
meeting.
That
draft
policy
document
was
not
yet
available,
so
we
did
not
discuss
that
in
general.
M
M
We
asked
how
the
H
HCD
areas
were
chosen
and
I
would
note
that
staff
was
does
have
all
this
explanatory,
a
lot
of
material
and
answers
to
our
questions
from
lrpc
in
their
staff
report.
So
some
of
the
pages
are
noted
here
we
talked
about
what
other
concentration
of
marks
units
that
perhaps
aren't
as
dense
as
the
nine
areas
in
the
study.
What
will
happen
with
them?
We
did
feel
that
the
marks
outside
of
rosin
and
Ballston
should
be
included
in
the
study.
M
The
question
was
raised
if
we
should
consider
all
garden
apartments
for
HDD,
including
those
that
are
stand-alones
lrpc
zoko,
ask
Taft
to
consider
condo
conversion
of
some
marks
for
home
ownership
opportunities,
and
that
is
now
included,
and
we
did
note
at
80%
of
ami.
There
might
be
some
unded
unintended
consequences
of
displacing
residents
its
residents,
as
we've
heard
from
some
of
the
speaker's
this
evening,
and
we
wondered
if
we
should
focus
more
on
60%
of
ami.
Is
that
what
that
is
what
is
in
the
affordable
housing
master
plan?
M
As
far
as
the
amendments,
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
again,
we
didn't
discuss
that.
That
is
something
that
is
nearly
acknowledging,
should
H
CDs
be
adopted
that
they
exist
and
putting
it
in
the
correct
component
or
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan
talked
about
the
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
permit
townhouses
by
site
planned
only
in
H
CDs,
as
well
as
permitting
alteration
to
townhouses
that
exist
already,
because
they
would
be
made
non-conforming.
M
We
too
were
noted
that
there
might
be
some
unintended
consequences
with
limiting
townhouse
by
expect
by
special
accession,
it
exception
in
eight
CDs
only.
We
were
concerned
that
this
would
leave
some
of
the
structures
and
other
RA
zones
that
were
not
in
HC
d
vulnerable.
We
doubt
ask
for
a
map
of
all
the
are
all
are
a
zoning
in
the
county
and
I.
We
don't
have
that
yet,
but
I
think
that
will
be
forthcoming
as
we
should.
This
all
be
adopted
by
the
board
enter
phase
two.
M
We
talked
about
what
time
and
cost
of
a
site
plan.
Could
that
be
a
hardship,
particularly
on
smaller
sites?
So
we
asked
about
the
cost
comparisons
of
that
I
think
that
that
pretty
much
sums
up
what
we
thought
I
have
laid
out.
Some
lrpc
zoko
discussion
points.
They
are
arranged
by
the
topics
that
we're
asked
to
address
this
evening.
So,
rather
than
just
listening
to
me,
drone
on
about
all
the
things
we
asked,
maybe
we
should
just
go
ahead
and
and
start
the
discussion
the
the
chair
has
before
him.
L
M
A
A
Thank
you
appreciate
that
all
right,
so
for
the
Commission,
the
points
for
discussion
in
the
report.
We
have
process
adoption
of
the
HC
d
framework
amendment
to
the
club
amendment
to
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
and
then
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
Basically,
the
opponents
that
are
that
comprised
the
package
before
us,
as
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
attachments
one
two
three
and
four
I
think
that
makes
good
sense
and
we
will,
as
always,
have
a
catch-all
at
the
end.
O
A
P
D
D
We
have,
we
will
be
sending
out
an
email
this
week
to
all
the
Civic
Association
presidents
there
on
the
affected
boundaries
of
you
know,
partially.
In
response
to
some
of
the
comments
heard
it
at
the
board
hearing
we've
also
reached
out
and
had
meetings
with
NAIOP
the
Arlington
Chamber,
the
Alliance
for
housing
solutions
and
we've.
Also
I
will
be
meeting
with
the
Arlington
Economic
Development
Commission
as
well
to
discuss
I.
Q
Just
jump
in
on
that
I
think
we
were
asked
to
bring
a
report
forward
a
staff
body
of
work
for
consideration,
and
we
are.
We
had
some
touch
points
with
the
Commission's
that
was
mentioned
as
part
of
the
presentation
and
I
think
moving
forward,
there's
going
to
be
additional
conversation
with
everyone
from
property
owners
to
civic
associations,
but
this
would
be
really
sort
of
the
starting
point.
Once
we
had
a
body
of
work
for
people
to
review,
I.
P
R
N
Mr.
shorter,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
given
what
we
heard
from
Miss
Brown
about
lha
is
planning
to
come
forward
with
a
plan.
Can
you
give
us
a
sense
for
how
either
the
county
handles
something
like
this?
Do
we
have
a
precedent
for
when
we
put
something
in
place?
That's
meant
to
work
countywide
how
we
can
accommodate
a
more
specific
area
or
similar
plan.
I.
D
Don't
know
that
there's
a
precedent
for
this,
but
as
we
put
forward
in
this
housing
conservation
district
and
understand
that
the
Lee
highway
will
be
embarking
on
a
a
longer
planning
process
as
part
of
that
planning
process.
You
know
when
an
area
plan
comes
forward
for
adoption
I.
You
know
whether
or
not
that
aligns
with
the
housing
Conservation
District
or
supersedes.
That
is
something
that
that
certainly
could
be
addressed
at
the
time
of
adoption
of
a
future
plan.
Q
I'll
just
add
that
this
isn't
typical
and
so
I
can't
say
that
I
can
recall
a
process
where
we
had.
You
know
as
sort
of
some
extensive.
You
know
research
and
analysis.
You
know
before
sort
of
going
into
a
long-range
study
like
this,
but
what
we
are
committed
to
doing
is
to
continuing
to
look
at
the
HCD
as
it
evolves
into
next
year
and
willing
to
have
some
conversations
with
the
laha,
and
you
know
to
see
what
it
means
for
them,
and
it
certainly
means
we
can.
Q
You
know,
look
at
how
the
Phase
two
will
evolve
over
next
year
and
we'll
continue
to
look
at
what
those
potential
policies
or
zoning
language
will
be,
even
as
the
Lee
Highway
study
continues
beyond
that,
and
there
will
be.
You
know,
opportunity
for
us
to
revisit
policies,
as
we
may
get
further
informed
as
the
Lee
Highway
process
moves
forward.
O
This
organization
has
worked
with
the
debate
with
the
property
owners
and
the
neighborhoods.
It
knows
what's
here
and
could
have
helped
you
create
these
maps
and
avoid
putting
in
things
that
may
not
have
fit
or
add
things
that
you
may
not
have
been
aware
of.
We
know
that's,
let
me
disclose
I'm
on
the
my
alliance
board.
We
know
these
things
very
well
and
that
could
have
helped
speed
up
the
process,
at
least
for
the
Lee
Highway
area.
M
The
only
thing
and
staff
can
correct
me.
The
only
thing
that
happens
is
that
there
are
some
lines
drawn
on
the
map
where
the
county
has
identified,
where
it
has
an
interest
in
preserving
a
certain
housing
type,
and
it
signals
that
the
staff
will
be
working
on
continuing
a
process
because
we
are
in
a
process.
This
isn't
the
beginning
the
end.
M
This
is
on
the
continuum
now
we're
at
a
different
check-in
point
than
sometimes
we've
ever
seen
in
other
processes,
but
it
is
still
a
process
with
public
input
and
as
phase
2
goes
on,
those
lines
are
there.
There
is
nothing
as
you
wake
up
should
it
all
be.
What
is
in
this
package
be
adopted
the
day
after
it's
done,
that
changes
anything
about
your
land
except
the
ability
to
tear
down
the
existing
structures
and
build
townhouses
as
a
matter
of
right
without
going
through
a
public
process.
M
That's
the
only
thing
what's
happening
or
would
happen
with
with
the
adoption
of
this.
Are
we
not
happy
about
how
we
think
this
process
has
been
put
together?
Yeah
I
mean
I
personally,
as
well
as
some
others
think
that
the
town
house
should
have
been
taken
out
of
all
the
Aria
zoning
and
I'm
hoping
we
continue
to
look
at
that
and
I
believe.
The
board's
resolution
allows
that,
but,
as
we
focus
on
the
notion
of
proper
process
and
exactly
what's
happening,
that's
the
only
thing.
M
It's
about
the
town
house,
everything
else
you
wake
up
the
next
day.
It
is
the
same
and
I
very
much
appreciate
staffs
talking
about
that
for
Lee
Highway
in
particular,
we
are
worried
about
a
lot
of
these
properties.
As
someone
who
has
has
gone
through
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
adoption
and
the
rest
of
it,
Marks
has
been
an
issue
for
this
county
for
10
to
20
years
and
it's
not
been
a
secret
and
it
wasn't
the
affordable
housing
master
plan,
as
they've
said
so
again.
This
is
a
process.
M
It
is
a
different
type
of
process.
It
is
having
different
small
decision
points
along
it
than
we
have
seen
in
other
processes
and
I
am
mightily
interested
in
phase
2
and
what
happens
and
I
think
that
is
a
really
important
part
of
this,
because
it
tells
us
how
it's
going
to
interact
with
our
other
plans
that
are
in
place
and
plans
that
are
going
to
come,
like
Lee,
Highway
and
clearly,
staff
has
signaled
that
they
are
willing
that,
as
this
goes
on
something
comes
up
in
Lee
Highway.
We
can
modify
this.
M
S
My
question
is
a
bit
more
substantive.
I
will
have
later
comment
about
the
process,
but
did
in
order
for
me
to
follow.
It's
actually
a
follow
up
standard,
urines
question.
Her
question
specifically
was
about
precedent
and
I
think
staffs
been
very
honest
and
forthcoming
as
to
the
difference
here.
What
what
was
driving.
It
fear
that
we
would
lose
more
marks
in
fact
well
or
we
would
have
more
three
to
four
story.
1.5
million
dollar
town
homes
everywhere
redevelopment
could
could
occur.
S
It
is
on
the
face
of
it
just
reading
through
the
documents
now
raises
a
lot
of
troubling
questions.
How
I
prefer
example
I
participated
in
a
number
of
the
visioning
process.
The
process
meetings
that
occurred
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
I
do
recall
a
suggested
design
in
this
visioning
process,
which
included,
building
higher
at
nodes,
not
throughout
the
corridor
and
I.
Think
that's
that's
a
key
issue
that
we
will
see
fleshed
out
when
we
finally
see
a
consultant
do
an
actual
planning
exercise.
S
So
then
that
raises
the
question:
when
I
read
the
policy
framework,
not
not
the
zoning
question
for
the
three
RA
districts,
then
I
say
it
seems
to
me:
there's
an
instant
conflict
right
there
with
something.
I
know
that
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
is
has
embraced,
at
least
at
the
concept
level,
with
the
power,
the
the
prescriptions
that
you
will
be
pursuing
the
tools,
the
density
tools
that
you'll
be
pursuing.
Can
you
respond
to
that
tonight
to
perhaps
give
some
comfort
I
know,
there's
been
a
complaint
about
lack
of
consultation.
S
Q
Will
thank
you.
We
realize
that
we
need
to
continue
the
conversations
with
you
know
the
Lee
highway
community
and
we
will
continue
to
explore
what
do
this.
The
rest
of
the
spectrum
that
is
proposed
under
the
HCD
means
means
for
Lee
highway,
just
like
the
other
areas,
and
we
will
need
to
continue
to
think
about
how
that
relates
to
what
was
included
with
the
visioning
study
and
and
what
some
of
the
early
feedback
we
will
continue
to
get
once
we
commence
that
Lee
Highway
study.
Q
Q
Maybe
there
is
something
less
than
the
full
range
of
options
for
Lee
highway
as
as
the
rest
of
phase
2
progresses,
but
even
if
we
put
things
in
place
and
we
do
it
with
meaningful
feedback
from
the
community
sometime
next
year,
the
Lee,
the
other
Lee
Highway
planning
study
is
going
to
have
is
going
to
continue.
It's
a
multi-year
study,
so
if
we
have
nothing
in
place
for
Lee
highway
at
the
end
of
the
this
hcd
process,
there
will
be
a
gap
of
a
couple
of
years
where
there
would
be
no
protective
measures
in
place.
Q
So
we're
committed
to
looking
and
working
with
the
HCV
process
to
see
what
we
can
put
in
place
with
community
input
and
even
once
we
get
to
that
point,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
the
Lehi
way
site
as
part
of
that
planning
process.
The
speakers
were
right.
You
know,
there's
going
to
be
an
urban
design
framework
that
we're
going
to
want
on
Lee
Highway.
We've
all
talked
about
that.
We
want
it
to
be
much
more
walkable.
We
you're
right.
Q
We
don't
certainly
want
to
prevent
things
happening
in
a
good
form
of
development
by
just
creating
these
incentives
under
Phase
two.
So
we're
gonna
be
mindful
of
that
as
we
progress
into
next
year
as
well
and
I,
think
there's
flexibility
as
we
continue
with
the
Lee
Highway
study
that
we
could
always
revisit
and
modify
and
tweak
anything
in
the
HCD
that
we
potentially
put
in
place
next
year.
Okay,.
S
Just
two
follow-ups,
so
I
just
want
to
underscore
this
question
of
flexibility.
So,
oh,
what
that's
one
thing.
What
we
might
see
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
a
different
tools
recommended
for
Westover,
as
opposed
to
Lee
highway
or
as
opposed
to
Shirlington,
as
opposed
to
is
that
something
that
you
could
imagine
evolving.
Q
Well,
I
don't
want
to
over
promise
that
sitting
here
this
evening,
because
we
we
are
thinking
that
we
would
have
a
set
of
zoning
standards
that
we
could
plot
apply
to
the
HCD
as
a
whole,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
there
wouldn't
be
some
criteria
established
in
the
zoning,
for
you
know
where
additional
density
is
appropriate
on
any
given
site.
So
we've
we've
got
a
body
of
work
to
do,
but
at
this
point
we
aren't
planning
to
do
a
small
area
plan
for
each
of
these
twelve
areas.
Q
A
S
Will
yes
absolutely
my
other
point
would
be
I
think
it's
really
very
important,
because
one
of
your
criteria
was
not
to
designate
in
these
districts,
site
plan,
sector
plans
or
area
plans
where
but
Lee
Highway.
Is
that
odd?
It's
going
to
have
a
plan
and
it
would
seem
to
me
consultations
conversations
with
Lee
Highway
Alliance
should
be
job
number
one
not
to
disadvantage
other
areas,
but
I'm
really
quite
nervous
about
the
kinds
of
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
Lee
Highway
lines.
A
T
You
I
am,
I
wanted
to
thank
Commissioner
yeah
Kamini
for
reminding
us
exactly
what
is
before
us,
especially
since
I
think.
A
few
of
us
wish
that
there
had
been
better,
more
outreach,
better
outreach
to
civic
associations
in
the
lehigh
way,
allowing
alliance
I
think
there.
It's
very
clear
that
this
process
would
have
benefited
from
that.
T
However,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
maybe
staff
could
could
address
that,
perhaps
we
have
seen
this
a
little
bit
before
in
terms
of
process
in
the
Columbia
Pike
neighborhoods
plan,
because
my
recollection,
which
is
a
little
faulty,
but
my
recollection,
is
that
we
adopted
a
policy
or
a
framework
and
then
later
followed
on
with
tools
and
and
then
the
form
base
code
for
that
area.
Is
this
sort
of
comparable
well.
Q
As
part
of
a
sector
plan
process,
or
in
that
case,
an
area
plan,
we
do
typically
come
forward
for
board
adoption
of
a
policy
framework
and
then
yes,
we
finalize
the
details
of
the
plan.
The
finer
grained
details
in
writing
a
final
plan
and
then
there
typically
is
a
separate
process
to
prepare
the
implementation
tool,
such
as
zoning
ordinance.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
bringing
forward
a
policy
framework
which,
as
we've
stated
in
the
staff
report,
would
upon
the
completion
of
phase
2.
Q
We
think
it
would
be
coming
housing
conservation
district
plan
once
we
round
out
those
details,
I
think
what
we're
saying
here
is
that
the
process
has
been
a
little
different
in
that
we
hadn't
done
as
much
investigative
work
and
consultation
with
the
community
in
developing
as
much
of
where
we
are
today.
We
did
it
with
some
touch
points
with
Commission's,
as
you've
heard.
We
we
met
with
this
commission
and
and
a
few
other
Commission's,
and
have
done
some
more
recent
briefings.
Q
T
Q
A
You
actually
miss
Smith
I
wanted
to
follow
up
in
a
similar
vein,
but
it
strikes
me
in
attachment
D.
The
proposed
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
that
that
what
we're
creating
here
with
the
housing
Conservation
District
is
actually
something
that
seems
to
very
be
similar
to
Fort
Myer
Hort
heights,
north
special
district,
which
is
also
referenced
in
the
framework
and
I'm
wondering
because
there
I
see
a
date
of
April
15
2005,
which
is
I.
Q
And
it
was
not
for
a
few
years
later
that
the
Fort
Myer
Heights
north
plan
came
forward
and
other
incentives
were
put
in
place.
Allowing
for
redevelopment
up
to
three
point,
two,
four
and
above
in
exchange
for
some
very
similar
aspects,
that
what
we're
looking
at
in
the
HCD
preservation
a
building
form
preservation
of
tree
coverage
and
you
know
achieving
affordable
housing
as
well.
So
some
of
the
same
aspects
that
we're
looking
at
here,
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
add.
Oh.
C
A
So
some
similarities
in
terms
of
overall
order
of
things,
but
not
necessarily
a
precedent
for
for
an
aggressive
schedule
of
making
something
effective
as
of
the
date
of
an
RTA.
If
that's
a
fair
characterization
of
what's
proposed
here,
okay
I
had
another
couple
question
for
I:
get
the
Commissioner
Hughes.
We
heard
a
lot
this
evening
from
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
and
I
appreciate
all
those
who
came
out
and
who
are
here
tonight
representing
that
group
I'm
wondering
if,
if
perhaps
mr.
Douglas
mr.
A
shredder,
if
you
could
share
with
us,
have
you
been
in
contact
since
this
advertisement?
Have
you
had
feedback
from
other
concerned
groups
other
than
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
or
the
Lehi?
Let's
set
Lee
Highway
corridor
aside
for
a
second
I
think
they're
very
well
represented
tonight,
I'm
interested
in
other
parts
of
the
community,
the
other
eight
proposed
districts,
I.
D
A
A
Q
Yes,
there's
been
recognition
and
concern
about
the
process,
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
heard
from
not
per
se
property
owners,
but
some
people
who
represent
them
or
from
the
business
community
have
signaled
an
interest
in
where
we're
headed
with
the
HCD
incentives
but
are
having
a
hard
time
kind
of
grasping
what
they
are
since
those
details
aren't
there,
but
they
have
sent
a
signal
that
that
those
may
be
favorable
and
they
would
be
looking
forward
to
continue
to
work
with
us
through
the
remaining
of
the
process.
All.
A
That's
before
us
tonight
is
a
rather
extensive
attachment,
a
policy
framework
which
does
have
the
more
detail
of
all
the
maps
by
the
way
and
and
I
do
have
to
just
it's
it's
a
common
question.
I
have
to
say
for
a
rather
extensive
policy
framework
as
well.
I
think
this
is
a
from
my
experience.
A
very
abbreviated
engaged
engagement
period,
review
process,
the
fact
that
it
didn't
even
come
in
a
draft
form
to
lrpc
and
then,
when
we
had
the
lrpc
meeting
on
this,
it
was
very
preliminary
in
terms
of
talking
about
big
picture
ideas.
A
So
I
would
just
remind
the
Commission
that
it's
not
just
the
townhouse
aspect
of,
and
yes,
there's
definitely
follow-on.
But
my
question
to
staff
is
assuming
that
the
board
were
to
adopt
this
framework
this
month
and
we
move
into
phase
2
what
what
would
be
the
view
of
staff
in
terms
of
the
ability
to
upon
further
reflection
and
review,
to
revise
the
framework
kind
of
have
a
oh
geez.
We
didn't
quite
think
of
that
all
the
way
through
kind
of
moment.
Q
Start
and
I
think,
given
the
circumstances,
I,
think
and
added
to
that,
what
the
board
indicated
at
the
request
to
advertise
and
saying
that
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
revisit
the
reclassification
of
town
house
I
think
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
what
we
have
established
as
part
of
the
policy
framework
and
if
we
have
to
fine-tune
anything
I
think
that
that's
there's
a
in
my
perspective.
There
would
be
an
open
door
to
that
and
we'll
have
to
see.
Q
If
that's
where
you
know,
we
would
have
to
be
very
clear,
I
think
in
what's
the
rationale
for
going
back
and
changing,
and
you
know
we
would
want
to
try
and
be
as
true
to
the
policy
framework
moving
forward
if
the
board
approves
it,
but
I
think
there
could
potentially
be
an
open
door
given
the
circumstances
and
the
abbreviated
using
your
word,
a
amount
of
community
engagement.
That's
been
happen.
This
happened
to
date,
I'm.
A
R
You,
mr.
Getchell
I,
think
staff
responded
to
Commissioner
Siegel's
question,
but
I
just
want
to
ask
it
and
not
in
the
same
of
small
area
plans,
but
I
think
what
we're
hearing
from
a
lot
of
our
public
speakers
tonight
is
that
not
all
of
these
H
CDs
are
equal
in
respect
to
what
may
be
the
best
and
future
use
of
that
site
or
that
HCD
area.
R
D
Think
that
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
very
difficult
questions
that
we
will
have
to
grapple
with
in
phase
two,
especially
because
we're
not
considering
individual
area
plans
for
these
areas,
but
we
need
to
consider
whatever
incentives
are
put
forward,
how
they
would
look
like
in
the
various
contexts
that
are
that
are
presented
and
I.
Think
that
that's
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
that's
certainly
a
future
challenge.
I
think
there's
some
characteristics
as
far
as
site,
size
and
other
things
that
can
be
employed
in
establishing
criteria
for
certain
incentives.
That
might
be
instructive.
D
That
might
help
us,
but
it's
definitely
something
and
definitely
something
that
we
are
looking
forward
to
hearing
community
feedback
on
as
we
won't
be
able
to
model
everything
on.
You
know
these
these
individual
areas,
but
to
have
people
think
about
well
what
the
proposal
is
for
a
certain
incentive,
be
it
an
infill
or
an
addition
type
thing.
D
What
those
setbacks
or
height
looks
like
what
does
that
look
like
in
in
my
neighborhood,
and
should
they
be
different
when
they're,
depending
on
the
type
of
land-use
that
abuts
the
the
parcel
in
question
and
and
those
things
could
be
accommodated
in
the
zoning
ordinance
as
well?
So
I
think
that
is
the
critical
question
as
we
develop
these
incentives
in
Phase
two.
M
S
Violating
one
of
our
standing
rules
and
I'm
just
gonna
ask
the
question
in
a
different
way,
but
I
think
it's
really
quite
important.
There
is
a
the
it
was
in
your
slides
as
well.
The
board's
amendment
from
a
meeting
on
the
27th
I
won't
read
it,
but
I'll
just
read
the
words
with
respect
to
the
zoning
I
know
we
run
framework
I'm.
S
Getting
to
that,
you
will
have
the
board
signals
its
intention
to
be
able
to
continue,
repeal
or
modify
the
zoning
fret
of
the
zoning
issues
and
prohibitions
or
change
taking
town
houses
out
of
by
right
and
applying
site
plan.
There
is
no
companion
language
for
the
framework
and
I'm
assuming
that's,
because
policies
are
much
more,
especially.
Policies
that
have
not
yet
been
created
is.
Is
that
a
fair
assessment
I
think.
Q
I
think
the
board
did
not
move
forward
and
putting
that
language
in
because
it's
not
regulatory.
Like
begin
for
zoning,
that's
correct,
and
since
the
policy
framework,
as
a
communicative
in
the
staff
report,
said
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
on
the
policy
framework,
I
don't
think
they
felt
they
needed
to
connote.
Ooh
say
that
that
it
would,
it
would
still
be
open
for
some
discussion,
but
I
think
it
is
a
place
to
start
and
just
as
I
said
a
minute
ago.
Q
I
think
that
we,
you
know,
really
need
to
just
not
take
that
lightly,
but
I
think
we
would.
You
know
we
can
be
cautious,
but
we
can
certainly
bring
with
good
rationale
some
potential
changes
for
revision
and
and
given
the
context
of
the
comments
tonight
from
Lee
Highway,
there
may
very
well
be
some
potential
changes
if,
in
fact,
you
know
there
may
be
areas
where
full
redevelopment
is
not.
Q
You
know
probable,
but
again
we
need
to
kind
of
come
up
with
whatever
that
criteria
is,
and
we
have
to
make
it
rational
from
a
zoning
perspective.
So
that
there's,
you
know
some
clear
criteria
in
terms
of
how
we're
making
our
decisions
for
what
areas
get,
what
incentives
and
other
areas
that
may
not
get
other
incentives.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
S
A
Right
I
have
a
question
please
for
staff,
so
the
framework
I
will
tell
you
and
reading
it
this
weekend.
I
did
get
a
little
lost
at
places.
To
be
honest,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
them
just
a
very
specific
question
on
page
44
and
there's
recommendation
two,
and
this
is
as
I
could
tell.
There
was
a
total
of
I
think
three
recommendations.
A
A
U
U
A
R
Has
staff
and
I
know
staff
is
saying
I
hear
I
want
to
read
individual
sector
and
area
plans.
However,
there
are
re
zoned
properties
that
are
not
within
individual
sector
or
area
plans
that
have
been
adopted
by
the
board,
with
specific
boundaries
that
we're
not
capturing
in
this
action.
What
is
staff
thinking
about
with
regard
to
those
properties.
D
So
the
properties
that
that
aren't
being
considered
that
our
in
our
a
districts
and
that
are
within
glup
glup,
the
low
medium
residential
and
medium
residential,
are
the
areas
that
are
within
the
metro
corridor
and
staffs.
Thinking
on
that
is
that
there
are
adjacent
to
existing
sector
plans.
Some
of
those
sector
plans
do
provide
guidance
for
four
areas
beyond
where
the
boundaries
of
those
sector
plans
are,
and
we
want
to
be
sure
that
the
HCD
is
consistent
for
for
those
situations
as
well
as
I.
Think.
D
There's
concern
that
that
future
incentives
for
those
areas
and
due
to
their
ability
to
command
higher
rents
might
have
a
perverse
incentive
of
just
of
creating
of
eliminating
the
the
market
rate,
affordable,
housing.
Again
we're
proposing
a
deeper
look
at
those
sites
and
to
come
back
and
to
look
at
those
in
in
phase
two,
and
so
it's
not
that
they're
removed
from
consideration,
but
they're,
not
part
of
the
the
immediate
phase.
One
actions.
D
R
C
C
There
are
areas
where
the
zoning
overlaps,
so
it
you
can't
see
the
other
sector
in
area
plans,
but
if
I
can
show
at
the
pointer
over
here,
but
we
have
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan
over
here,
Cherrydale
shown
in
gray,
and
then
there's
the
major
planning
corridors
such
as
Columbia
Pike,
the
rasen
Boston
and
the
Jefferson
Davis
corridor,
and
so
it's
marks
outside
of
those
locations
that
we've
been
focusing
on.
As
at
this
phase
of
implementation,.
A
Actually,
this
is
a
good
time
to
ask
staff
to
respond
directly
to
the
question
or
the
comment
from
Lee
Highway
Alliance
from
Miss
Brown
particular
about
that,
while
I
think
from
a
very
pedantic
viewpoint.
I
could
understand
that
the
Lee
Highway
is
not
a
current
major
planning
corridor
but
that
it
C
it
will
be
and
that
there
and
and
and
can
you
just
reckon
sort
of
explain
your
staffs
reconciliation
between
where
we
are
with
Lee
highway
as
not
yet
a
major
planet
planned
corridor
and
its
future
and
then
that
relationship
to
this
process.
Q
So
since
we
we
haven't
contemplated
this
being,
you
know
sort
of
in-between
time
we
we,
we
took
a
look
at
the
marks
that
were
in
the
unplanned
areas,
meaning
they
had
not.
They
don't
have
adopted
policies
in
place
and
we
highway
does
not
have
adopted
policies
in
place,
except
for
East,
Falls
Church
and
the
cherry
Dale
area
and
the
marks
report
that
was
completed
last
year
included.
You
can
see
the
marks
on
this
map
and,
in
the
other
maps
some
of
those
occur
on
Lee
Highway.
M
So
I
think
we
should
think
of
it
as
a
bridge
that
that's
a
popular
word
this
evening,
as
we
bridge
topics
having
the
HCD
portions
along
Lee.
Highway
is
a
bridge.
It's
a
placeholder.
It's
saying
these
are
important
types
of
housing
opportunities
and
we
we
want
the
opportunity
to
work
with
them,
but
it
doesn't
slam
shut
the
door
of
taking
housing
out
of
the
Lee
Highway
planning.
For
that
we're
looking
forward
to
it,
it's
a
placeholder.
M
P
You
Miss
Sharon,
coming
off
of
commissioner,
can
use
point
I,
just
wanna
get
this
on
the
record
because
you
did,
you
were
head
nodding,
miss
Smith's
and
wondering
if
we
have
a
plan
along
Lee
highway.
Would
that
supersede
this
because
I
think
what
mr.
Douglas
mentioned
was
we're
doing?
You
know
it
or
change
the
the
glove
here
that
that
would
supersede
what
we
have
before
us
tonight,
because
we
have
been
a
planned
area.
I.
Q
Think
what
we've
said
is
that
we
will
continue
to
study
this.
This
HCD
policies,
whatever
they
are.
We
will
continue
to
look
at
them
as
part
of
the
Lee
Highway
study
and
modify
them
potentially
remove
them.
There
may
be
other
better
tools
that
we
can
come
up
with
in
the
context
of
a
fuller
study,
but
I
think
right
now,
where
we
are
is
there
are,
you
know,
limited
to
no
adopted
policies
in
Lee,
highway
and
we're
concerned
about
protecting
these
areas
like
the
other
areas
and
therefore
they're
part
of
the
recommendation
right
now.
Mr.
A
Chairman
I
appreciate
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
and
for
really
indulging
the
question
and
I
think
the
line
of
questioning
just
said.
This
often
goes
unsaid
and
I.
Think
it
should
be
said
especially
tonight
is.
We
all
know
that
we're
here
just
to
try
to
understand
things
more
fully,
and
so
sometimes
if
it
seems
like
we're
just
harping
on
something,
hopefully
it's
helping
us
to
just
understand
it
a
little
deeper
level.
So
I
really
appreciate
your
patience
with
us.
Commissioner
land
tell
me
yes,.
O
Think
those
were
the
marks
that
you
actually
had
in
the
original
study
makes
sense
that
the
borders
are
for
the
districts
were
around
some
of
the
around
those,
but
the
borders,
of
course,
are
larger
than
just
the
blue
ones.
Now
I
understand
there
may
be
some
affordable
marks
that
were
not
in
the
study
that
are
nonetheless
there.
So
those
would
be
covered
that
makes
sense,
but
you
also
have
within
some
of
these,
such
as
the
the
spot
run
area
and
also
the
one
on
Lee
Highway
Waverly,
there's
quite
a
number
of
condominiums
within
those
borders.
O
The
condominiums
don't
have
marks,
aren't
going
to
have
marks
on
them
as
a
practical
matter.
Why,
especially,
for
example,
with
the
Cardinal
house
be
pulled
into
this
district,
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
any
sense
where
we'd
gain
us
anything
or
gain
them
anything,
and
as
part
of
that,
we
follow
further
question.
Have
you
looked
into
what
the
potential
effect
on
the
condominium
itself
would
be
by
being
included
in
this?
Would
it
have
an
effect
on
its
marketability
on
its
ability
to
get
financing?
O
C
O
O
O
Q
O
Okay,
do
you
expect
to
reach
out
to
all
the
condominium
association
condominiums
that
are
will
potentially
be
within
these
maps
to
see
if
they
have
any
possible
interest,
and
this
falls
on
my
question?
Have
you
checked
to
see
whether
there
could
be
any
financial
impact
on
sale
ability
or
ability
to
finance
if
a
condo
is
pulled
into
one
of
these
districts?
We.
Q
D
We
haven't
confirmed,
but
it
would
seem
extremely
unlikely
that
there
would
be
any
negative
impact
financially
on
on
a
condominium
as
the
the
conditions
in
the
housing
Conservation
District.
Don't
impact
it's
being
used
as
a
condominium
any
in
any
way
or
take
away
from
from
that
use.
Its
its
use
continues.
Okay,.
O
That's
fine
but
I'd
feel
more
comfortable
if
you
didn't
actually
check
with
somebody
on
those
type
of
things
now
leaving
out.
At
the
same
time,
looking
at
the
Waverly
area
on
old,
Lee
Highway,
you
did
leave
out
right
on
the
border
there,
the
like
the,
for
example,
to
carumba
land,
which
is
ripe
to
go
for
development
right
now.
Once
the
estate
is
settled,
you
know
that
was
left
at
now.
C
A
I,
don't
think
we
can
go
necessarily
property,
but
probably
I
think
your.
Your
point
is
taken
that
I
think
staff
has
outlined
the
methodology
by
which
that
they
have
created
these
H
CDs,
and
your
point
is
taken
that
there
could
be
other
properties
that
may
be
on
further
reflection
would
be
something
that
we
would
want
to
consider
and
and
and
and
the
opposite
could
be
true.
So
I
think
that
point
is
made
and
take
concern.
O
A
J
A
S
S
Not
we
don't
want
any
of
that
here
in
Arlington
County
with
respect
to
to
policy.
The
flexibility
goes
both
ways
so
with
respect
to
the
maps,
if,
after
further
consultation
with
property
owners,
further
consideration
of
tools,
development
of
tools,
you're
going
to
have
an
extensive
I,
imagine
consultation
and
review
with
community.
S
Q
I
think
yes,
as
part
of
phase
2,
we
will
continue
to
look
at
the
maps
and
take
in
input,
and
presumably
we
would
come
back
to
the
board
and
say
we
propose
to
make
these
changes
from
what
was
adopted
in
December.
If
the
board
goes
that
way,
based
on
rationale,
one
way
or
the
other
I
think
to
mr.
Douglas.
This
point,
though,
where
we
are
now
in
our
thinking
is
that,
once
those
are
established
that
we
wouldn't
have
a
process
to
request
removal
in
an
ultimate
timeframe,
if
that
makes
sense,
we
would
have
a
process.
P
A
quick
follow-up
on
this.
It
would
be
important
for
us
to
see
the
RTA
of
phase
2
if
there
are
kind
of
map
Corrections
that
need
to
be
made,
because
that
would
define
the
scope
and
so
I
think
we
would
want
to
work
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
do
see
that
so
that
we
have
those
kind
of
full
things
at
that
time.
Thank.
A
You,
commissioner,
sure
and
I
think
just
a
point
of
clarification
for
myself:
there
were
it,
wouldn't
there
always
be
into
the
future.
A
property
owner
would
always
have
some
legal
right
to
request
the
glove
change
right.
So
you
don't
envision
a
like
a
a
specific
process,
but
there
is
always
the
legal
process
by
which
to
change
the
glove.
That's.
U
This
tailors
mr.
chair
just
a
little
bit
on
what
you
just
said
and
for
the
benefit
of
my
fellow
commissioners,
especially
Commission
Li.
Tell
me
my
question
was
specifically
whether
the
policy
framework
envisioned
a
formal
method
by
which
a
property
owner
could
specifically
petition
for
removal,
not
whether
there
was
any
method
for
removal
generally,
once
the
maps
of
once
the
boundaries
have
been
drawn.
I
I
have
an
additional
question
on
this.
U
Just
for
the
benefit
of
my
understanding
about
how
often
a
condo
association
might
redevelop
and
and
try
to
understand
how
concerned
I
feel
like
I
need
to
be
about
this
in
getting
the
maps
right
am
I.
Am
I
right
that
the
there
was
a
community
in
arlington
view
just
recently
that
that
sold
their
community
for
redevelopment?
Was
that
a
condo
or
was
that
a
different
kind
of
was
a
co-op
okay
yeah?
U
U
U
R
You
commissioner
I
just
want
to
clarify
staffs
comment
earlier
to
Commission
land
Thome
said
in
the
preservation
of
the
buildings.
Is
the
goal
and
I
don't
believe.
That's
necessarily
what
staffs
hope
is
with
the
HCD.
It's
the
hope,
I
believe
that
we
will
have
incentives
and
tools
in
Phase
two
that
would
allow
for
the
complete
redevelopment
of
the
site.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that,
because
we
had
an
excellent
comment
from
a
speaker
this
evening,
who
said
sometimes
old
is
just
old
and
not
historic
and
I.
D
Yeah,
the
policy
framework
envisions
a
range
of
opportunities
from
rehabilitation
which
would
be
a
preservation
of
a
an
existing
building
through
redevelopment
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
weight
on
one
over
the
other,
but
there
is
as
impacts
as
there's
greater
impacts
of
a
development,
I
think
there's
greater
affordability
requirements,
there's
greater
there's
greater
process
involved
in
the
review
of
those
Thank.
A
R
Will
just
make
the
first
statement
since
I
was
I,
believe
the
only
person
who
ever
voted
against
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
that
I
will
have
an
opportunity
to
follow
through
with
what
I
said,
which
is
to
say
when
I
voted
against
the
affordable
housing
master
plan.
I
believe
I
said
that
our
actions
have
not
meant
our
intent
and
our
values,
and
so
I
would
vote
against
it
and
I
believe
tonight.
I
might
be
in
a
place
where
I'll
be
able
to
vote
for
the
amendment.
So
I
look
forward
to
that.
All.
A
M
We
did
not
hear
testimony
this
evening
that
we
had
heard
at
the
board's
RTA
concerning
sort
of
the
process
question
that
right
now
it's
it's
intended
that
it
would
go
through
the
site
plan
process,
which
is
a
four
point.
One
process
and
I
did
find
it
very
interesting
that
there
there
could
perhaps
be
another
type
of
process
of
public
input,
such
as
a
use
permit
or
something
else,
or
perhaps
it's
even
scaled-
that
if
you're
scraping
your
entire
site
and
you
want
to
do
townhouses,
it's
a
slight.
M
C
So
as
part
of
Phase,
two
we'd
be
looking
at
as
Russell
was
indicating
a
range
of
opportunities
in
a
spectrum
scaled
to
the
scale
of
changes,
includes
process
correct
and
with
the
moving
away
from
perhaps
more
of
an
administrative
process
for
more
minimal
changes.
If
you're
creating
a
bump
out
or
a
minor
addition
to
a
building.
But
specifically.
M
C
A
All
right,
I
have
a
question
which
is
gets
back
to
the
to
the
dates
this
November
18th
date,
which
is
actually
the
date
that
this
was
at,
was
not
even
authorized
to
avert.
I
was
actually
the
advertisement
of
the
of
the
RTA
right.
So
if,
if
the
board
were
to
defer
this
for
another
month
or
two,
would
that
could
that
reach
back
to
that
date?
Is
that
still
an
option
or
would
then
would
have
to
be
re
advertised
if
the
board
defers?
So
what's
what's
the
relationship?
C
A
M
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
and
it
before
I
do
that
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
and
thank
all
of
the
staff
that
has
worked
very
hard
on
this
and
is
going
to
be
working
even
harder
phase.
Two,
and
also
our
that
includes
the
staff
from
our
historic
preservation
staff,
because
this
is
a
great
part
of
it.
M
A
M
A
P
Have
a
substitute
amendment
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
that
the
county
board
defer
consideration
of
the
housing
Conservation
District
policy
framework
amendments
to
the
general
land
use
plan,
map
and
booklet
amendments
to
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
and
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
Further,
that
the
PC
recommend
that
the
county
board
direct
staff
to
contact
all
effective
property
owners
about
the
proposal
and
hold
two
or
more
publicly
noticed
meetings
to
obtain
feedback.
P
P
U
U
D
Q
Q
P
Q
We
would
have
to
determine
and
then
I
think
in
terms
of
what
do
we
do
with
feedback
that
we
get
at
that
meeting
and
if,
if
we
need
to
do
something
with
the
feedback,
then
the
time
frame
is
a
little
bit
more
undetermined,
giving
you
an
answer
tonight.
If
we
get
feedback
about
the
boundaries
and
whether
sites
should
be
in
or
out,
I
would
imagine
that
the
Commission
would
want
us
to
convey.
You
know
what
do
we
do
with
that
feedback
when
we
bring
something
back
so
that
would
add
time
as
well.
A
T
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
I
don't
from
this
motion,
I
completely
understand
what
what
you're
asking
and
and
have
some
sympathy
for
it.
But
if
we
were
to
follow
this
to
its
logical
conclusion,
it
is
not
an
information-sharing
meeting.
It
is
a
meeting
where
you
would
get
feedback
and
you
would
have
to
respond,
and
the
I
would
assume
that
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
this
could
change
and
then
you'd
have
you'd
probably
have
to
do
a
request
to
advertise
again.
Is
that
probably
true?
That's.
M
Associate
my
self
with
my
fellow
commissioners
McSweeney's
comments,
because
again
it
goes
back
I
think
to
at
least
where
my
mind
is
at
the
beginning
about
what
actually
happens
at
the
end
of
the
day.
If
these
are
adopted,
what
we're
asking
and
the
only
thing
that
actually
changes
anybody's
life
the
next
morning
is
the
town
house
issue,
which
we
know
will
continue
to
be
studied
in
phase
two.
So
I
would
rather
establish
a
still
turning
point
with
these
amendments
for
art
that
inform
our
future
discussion
in
Phase
two.
M
S
I
want
to
align
myself
with
what
Commissioner
yeah
Kamini
has
just
said
and
with
the
comments
that
Commissioner
McSweeney
made
about
both
sides
and
say
that
as
I
have
thought
about,
this
I've
tried
to
work
through
what
I
think
are
the
substantive
issues.
I
absolutely
recognize
the
concern
about
process
and
I
I
do
think
it's
up
to
this
commission
to
ensure
that
there
are
robust
public
processes
and
reviews.
S
S
I
I
think
there
is
plenty
of
flexibility
to
put
things
in
to
take
things
out.
There's
for
the
zoning
the
board
has
given
that
further
direction
that
we've
discussed
and
and
the
policies
are
yet
to
be
created,
number
one
and
then
dispersed
and
deployed
area
by
area.
So
tonight
I'm
satisfied
that
a
robust
public
policy
will
still
bring
comfort
and
good
results
in
the
next
six
months
to
a
year,
so
I
I'm
preparing
not
to
I'm
prepared
not
to
support
the
substitute
motion.
U
Is
a
question
for
staff
Mike,
correct
and
understanding
from
what
you've
told
us
tonight
that
that
you
envision
the
Phase
two
will
include
publicly
noticed
meetings
where
comments
will
be
taken
and
responded
to
over
subsequent
subsequent
meetings
and
feedback.
That's
correct,
yeah
I!
Just
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
wasn't
making
an
assumption.
That
could
be
wrong,
given
all
of
that
I'm
inclined
to
agree
with
Commissioner,
Siegel
and
and
Commissioner
Sweeney
and
Commissioner
a
comedian
that
I'm
prepared
to
support
the
main
motion
and
not
the
substitute
motion.
Sure.
A
A
Meaning
you
you
you,
you
address
sort
of
what
actually
happens.
Well,
there
are
two
ways
to
look
at
what
actually
happens
if
what
actually
happens
with
this,
and
we
can
debate
all
day
long
rather
it's
you
know
right
or
wrong,
or
somebody's
justified
or
unjustified.
If
what
actually
happens
in
going
about
this
and
the
board
adopting
this
in
this
manner
creates
a
level
of
distrust
that
undermines
the
major
effort
that
is
just
getting
underway.
A
Then
I
would
have
to
say
that
the
the
ends
don't
justify
or
the
means
don't
justify
the
ends
totally
totally
agree
with
the
ends.
No
question
about
it.
What
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
super
super
important,
but
all
the
more
reason
why
I
think
we
just
have
to
get
it
right,
and
it's
been
my
observation
and
it's
my
strong
conviction
that
process
does
matter
and
it
matters
it
really
matters
everywhere,
but
it
definitely
matters
in
Arlington
for
sure.
So.
For
that
reason,
I
can't
support
the
main
motion.
A
I
will
say:
Commissioner
stroll
I'm
I'm,
not
a
hundred
percent
on
board,
with
the
that
that
the
key
driver
here
is
the
notice
to
all
the
property
owners.
I
think
that
that
should
be
its
entailed
a
neigh-neigh
and
a
more
robust
review.
I
actually
have
beyond
its,
and
it
goes
beyond
just
the
the
zoning
it
change
and
the
removal
of
townhouses
from
by
right.
A
You
know,
as
I
commented
earlier,
this
is
it.
This
is
a
very
substantial
framework
policy
framework
and,
yes,
it
could
be
revisited
but
again
process
matters.
Are
we
putting
one
foot
in
front
of
the
other?
It
just
I,
just
I
just
fall
slightly
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
line
of
some
of
my
colleagues.
It's
there's
not
a
right
or
wrong
answer
here.
I
think
this
is
we
each
are
going
to
reach
into
our
guts
and
feel
what
is
most
important
at
this
stage
and
make
the
best
recommendation
we
can
to
the
board.
A
O
Like
to
associate
myself
with
the
chairs
comments,
they're
from
what
I've
heard
from
Philly
highway
corridor,
Trust
is
the
issue.
Here.
We've
worked
for
years
to
develop
trust
in
this
process
for
the
redevelopment
of
the
corridor,
and
this
goes
along
with
it
hand
in
glove
and
from
what
we've
heard
developing
that
trust
along
the
corridor
is
something
that's
been
hard.
We
work
very
hard
for
that
and
associating
myself
with
the
commissioners
roles,
amendment
I
think
we'll
go
to
restore
or
keep
that
trust
so.
A
Just
for
point
of
parliamentary
procedure
here
mr.
Stahl
has
proposed
a
what
would
be
an
amendment
to
the
main
motion,
so
we
can
vote
on
that.
But
that's
not
the
final
vote
that
just
becomes
the
main
motion
then,
and
that
can
be
perfected.
So
I
will
in
that
regard.
I
will
support
the
amendment
and
then
it
will
become
the
main
motion.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
parliamentary
play
for
anyone
following
along
and
of
course,
if
it
fails,
then
we
move
back
to
Commission
reactive
means
original
main
motion
Commission,
yet
commune
did
you
enter
I'll.
M
Just
say
I
am
appreciative
of
the
comments
of
our
chair.
I
do
not
agree,
I,
just
don't
and
and
I.
You
know.
These
words
are
gonna
fly
out
of
my
mouth,
and
so
I'm
gonna
just
regret
it.
But
at
some
point
in
Arlington
we
have
to
remember
that
process
is
not
our
product
and
we
can
have
different
processes
with
different
check-in
points
along
the
way
and
that's
what
this
is
and
it's
about
a
very
important
topic.
Yes,
the
policy
document
is
dense.
M
It
has
a
lot
of
things
in
it,
but
I
truly
believe
that
has
some
code
through
phase
two
we're
gonna
see
a
change
--is
in
that
as
well.
I
believe
strongly.
If
we
don't
put
a
marker
down,
it'll
slip
away
from
us,
it'll
a
band
flow
and
just
go
down
the
stream
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
I
don't
think
we
can
afford
that
in
this
county.
Well,.
A
I
would
agree
if
I
thought
it
would
end
up
a
year
and
a
half
down
the
road
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
you,
but
so,
as
I
said,
I,
don't
think
that
there's
a
right
or
wrong
here
I
think
you
just
fall
where
you
fall
slightly
to
one
side
of
the
other.
All
right,
I
think
we're
probably
ready
to
vote
on
what
would
be
the
substitute
motion.
That
would
then
become
the
main
motion
if
it
passes.
So
all
those
in
in
favor
of
Commissioner,
Scholes
substitute
motion.
Please
raise
your
hand
opposed.
A
M
Chairman
I
have
a
an
amendment
I'd
like
to
move
I
move
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
county
board
that
phase
two
of
the
HCD
process
include
examination
of
public
processes
other
than
the
four
point.
One
site
plan
such
as
use
permit
for
townhouse
development
in
the
HCD
and/or
other,
are
a
zoning
categories.
A
M
A
M
Out
to
say
to
my
colleagues
that
this
is
something
coming
out
of.
Listening
to
our
sister
commission
of
HL
RB
is
going
to
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
county
board.
That
phase
to
the
HCD
process
include
guidelines
that
will
keep
the
integrity
of
any
property
listed,
is
essential
or
important.
On
the
HRI
and
I
was
thinking
of
that
wording,
because
there's
lots
of
differences
with
integrity.
There
is
whether
part
of
it
is
torn
down
and
a
new
part
is
built.
M
U
A
hospital
amendment,
but
because
of
my
relative
newness
and
the
Commission
I,
want
to
throw
it
out
for
thought
of
a
pro
for
comment
on
whether
it's
appropriate
and
actually
does
anything
worthwhile
I
am
inclined
to
move
that
the
Planning
Commission,
recommend
and
I'm.
In
saying
this
I'm,
you
know
I'm
trying
to
formalize
what
I
just
heard
from
staff
at
my
last
question
that
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
that
the
County
Board
direct
the
county
manager
to
ensure
that
the
process
by
which
phase
two
is
developed
include
at
least
two
public
meetings.
R
If
you
got
down
to
it
with
the
this
being
heard
from
the
LR
lrpc,
which
is
the
long
range
planning
committee
of
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
the
state
authorized
body
to
review,
zoning
and
glup,
so
I
think
that
I
think
we
all
have
talked
about
process
tonight
and
I
concur
with
those
comments.
But
I
don't
know
if
it
moves
us
further.
I
think
staffs
I
received
the
message
loud
and
clear.
U
S
A
D
Q
Are
also
will
be,
we
don't
have
all
of
the
details
tonight,
but
we
are
planning
to
have
a
little
bit
more
information
that
we
can
share
with
the
board
when
the
public
hearing
comes
up
on
this,
the
16th
of
December
and
as
was
shown
on
the
slides,
we
talked
about
some
open
houses.
We
also
talked
about
reaching
out
to
some
groups
individually,
whether
those
are
specific,
Association,
presidents
or
property
owners,
so
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
events
thank.
A
N
Q
A
P
A
R
First
time
I
get
to
talk
about
why
I
support
emotion,
you
know
mr.
Hughes
Thank
You,
commissioner
gunshot,
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
heard
tonight
was
from
the
development
from
landowners
and
the
concern
about
what
incentives
will
be
brought
forward,
and
my
hope
and
goal
is
that
with
a
robust
community
process
that
we
acknowledge
that
we
hope
that
they
can
use
their
land
for
a
better
purpose
and
that
we
will
put
in
place
on
a
set
of
incentives.
R
O
I
will
support
it
also
because
again,
I
agree
with
the
the
overall
intent
of
this
affordable
housing
is
a
key
issue
in
this
county
right
now,
and
this
is
a
tool
that
we're
going
to
be
using
to
to
preserve
and
promote.
So,
of
course,
I
will
be
voting
for
this.
However,
I
would
ask
staff
to
please,
in
the
time
remaining
look
at
these
maps
again
and
reach
out
to
relevant
people,
to
try
to
consult
with
them
to
get
the
maps
right
before
they
go
to
the
board.
Much
my
only
comment,
alrighty.