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A
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
night
number
three
of
the
November
2017
meeting
of
the
Arlington
County
Planning
Commission,
thanks
for
being
here
this
evening
tonight
we
will
be
hearing
the
master
transportation
plan
amendment
and
67
11
Lee
highway.
The
SunTrust
site
will
also
be
doing
some
organizational
matters
in
other
business
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
But
if
you
are
here
for
Crystal
Towers
or
the
akhmad.
A
Residential
parking
that
would
be
that's,
gonna,
be
on
Monday
night.
So
if
you're
here
for
that,
I'd
also
like
to
remind
anyone
that
if
you
would
like
to
speak
on
any
of
the
items
on
our
agenda,
you
have
to
have
your
speaker
slip
and
with
our
clerk
over
to
my
right
before
the
item
is
called
so,
please
do
submit
your
speaker
slip.
We
would
love
to
hear
from
you
also.
We
are
being
broadcast
and
recorded
both
audio
and
visually.
A
B
First
item
for
the
evening
starts
with
number
four:
the
amendment
to
the
master
chant
transportation
plan
to
change
the
designation
of
a
section
of
13th
Street
south
between
South
Kenmore
circle
and
south
monroe
street,
from
a
neighborhood
minor
street
to
an
alley
and
to
remove
it
from
the
MTP
map.
We
have
Dennis
sellin
our
D
as
staff
person
to
present
this
item
this
evening.
C
C
And
this
is
part
of
the
majestic
oak
development
which
does
go
Beach
from
South
glebe
road
to
South,
Monroe
Street,
a
little
bit
of
history
and
a
view
of
the
site
as
it
exists
today,
these
views
are
looking
east
into
the
what
is
currently
designated
as
South
13th
Street
from
Monroe
Street.
These
are
looking
eastward
and,
as
what
you
see
here
is
a
segment
of
what
is
ambiguously
identified
in
the
original
site
site
plan
board
report
as
a
driveway
or
an
alley.
C
The
piece
of
roadway
is
12
feet
wide.
It
is
segmented
into
three
pieces,
two
to
four-foot
strips
of
asphalt,
divided
by
a
four-foot
grassy
strip
and
then
to
the
left
in
the
photographs.
Is
a
four
foot
wide
brick
sidewalk
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
this
driveway
was
not
designed,
developed
or
in
any
way
as
a
street.
It
does
not
have
curb
and
gutter.
It
is
accessed
via
a
driveway
apron.
C
A
brief
summary
of
some
of
the
history
of
this
project
in
2003,
a
site
plan
was
approved
for
the
majestic
oak
subdivision
and
13th
Street
South
was
created
in
the
site.
There
was
no
Street
that
existed
prior
to
this
and
there
is
ambiguous
language
in
the
original
staff
report.
It
referred
to
an
alley
or
a
driveway,
and
it.
C
Was
was
stated
that
it
does
not
possess
the
characteristics
of
a
street
at
the
time
of
the
original
approval,
the
neighborhood
was
not
in
favor
of
full
access
through
the
driveway
alley
segment
of
the
site.
As
I've
said
this
segment,
it's
not
possess
characteristics
of
a
street
which,
for
the
county
and
neighborhood
Minor
Street
needs
to
be
a
minimum
of
twenty
three
feet
right
away.
This
segment
was
included
on
the
MTP
map
as
a
neighborhood
minor
street
and
the
the
first
iteration
of
that
map
was
published
in
2007.
C
It
has
been
a
subject
of
ongoing
concern
by
the
neighborhood.
There
was
a
violation
recorded
in
2015,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
question
of
is
this
segment
of
roadway
identified
as
13th
Street,
South
or
not,
and
that
has
brought
us
to
this
minor
site
plan.
Amendment
application,
along
with
the
the
MTP
amendment.
C
We
have
received
letters
from
all
24
members
of
the
majestic
oak
homeowners
association,
which
are
in
support
of
this
process
to
D
designate
the
roadway.
The
Douglas
Park
Civic
Association
has
sent
us
an
email
and
support,
and
we
are
here
tonight.
We
have
the
RTA
went
to
the
board
a
month
ago,
and
we
are
here
tonight
the
Planning
Commission
or
partly
the
Transportation
Commission
heard
this
item
last
week
at
its
meeting
and
devoted
seven
to
zero
in
favor,
and
it's
scheduled
to
be
heard
by
the
board
at
its
November
meeting.
C
The
proposed
resolution
is
that
the
MTP
and
now
I'll
be
amended
to
change
the
designation
of
a
section
of
13th
Street
south
between
South
Kenmore,
Circle
and
South
Monroe
Street
from
neighborhood
minor
street
to
alley
and
to
remove
it
from
the
Arlington
County
MTP
map,
and
it
is
the
staffs
recommendation
that
that
resolution
be
adopted.
And
that
concludes
my
presentation
and
I.
Welcome
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
commissioners.
D
So
then,
initially
so
it
had
been
so
it
had
been
blocked
from
one
way
or
the
other
from
2003
to
auto
stuff
2015.
When
the
county
removed
the
bollard
and
put
in
a
speed
bump,
which
subsequently
had
to
be
removed,
the
they
said
they
wanted
to
put
in
the
speed
bump
so
that
the
fire
department
vehicles
could
get
in
and
out.
D
So
the
county
did
a
bunch
of
additional
work
to
try
to
get
the
fire
truck
out
of
there.
So
basically,
this
alley
really
hasn't
been
available
for
anybody
from
like
2003
until
2015,
and
we
would
like
to
see
it
continue
because
it's
very
unsafe
for
people
to
walk
up
and
down
our
little
four-foot
sidewalk.
If
you
have
two
people
walking
side
by
side
with
strollers
somebody
ends
up
in
the
street
and
there's
just
not
enough
room
and
I
mean
you.
E
D
F
You
just
heard
from
one
of
the
HOA
officers,
so
I
won't
rehash
those
points
and
and
staff
had
already
indicated
that
every
member
of
the
HOA
had
provided
a
letter
of
consent
and
support
for
this
item,
so
I
think
the
support
of
the
HOA
for
this
MTP
amendment
and
for
their
minor
site
plan.
Amendment
pretty
much
goes
without
saying,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
just
the
narrowness
of
this
path.
It's
just
completely
inappropriate
for
full
vehicular
access
and
the
pictures
really
don't
even
do
it.
F
Justice
you
have
to
you,
have
to
go
and
feel
the
slope
and
feel
the
tightness
of
it.
It's
just
not
a
not
a
public
street
just
quickly
to
add
a
few
points
on
the
minor
site
plan
amendment
that
is
very
much
related
to
the
MTP
amendment.
It's
not
before
you
tonight,
but
just
to
clarify
what
the
neighborhood
is
doing.
F
It's
really
three
things:
one
amending
the
site
plan
conditions
so
that
we
resolve
all
these
ambiguities
and
there's
no
more
question
about
this
little
alley
segment
and
what
it's
supposed
to
be
they'll
be
amending
the
access
easements
that
go
over
that
alley
and
internally
into
the
neighborhood.
There
are
already
emergency
access
easements
in
place,
but
the
neighborhood
will
be
amending
those
to
provide
for
full
public
asset
and
put
excuse
me
full
public
access
internally
in
the
loop
road
that
goes
through
the
neighborhood
and
then
over
this
alley.
F
Segment
on
the
on
the
picture
here,
they'll
be
providing
for
pedestrian
and
bicycle
access
and
then
the
third
item
is
a
access
management
system
that
would
restrict
vehicular
access
to
emergency
vehicles
only
and
the
neighborhood's
been
working
with
county
staff
and
with
the
fire
department
on
the
technicalities
of
that
system.
So
those
are
the
points
of
the
minor
amendment
that
are
kind
of
related
to
the
issue
before
you
tonight.
If
there
are
any
questions
about,
of
course,
would
be
happy
to
answer
those
like.
G
Hi,
my
name
is
Laurie
Segall
I
live
at
1307
South
Monroe
Street
I
strongly
object
to
changing
the
zoning
laws.
The
homeowners
association
has
acted
illegally
since
its
inception.
More
than
a
decade
ago,
the
original
site
plan
approved
16
years
ago
required
the
registration
of
public
easements
for
South
13th
Street.
This
was
never
done.
That
was
the
first
illegal
act.
Secondly,
they
illegally
posted
a
myriad
of
signs
to
misdirect
traffic
and
emergency
vehicles.
G
Hunting
your
street
to
be
private,
does
not
enable
you
to
make
it
private.
Thirdly,
they
illegally
blocked
passage
with
large
cement
bollards
for
many
years.
If
the
house
behind
me
or
beside
me,
caught
fire,
my
house
could
have
burned
down
because
fire
crews
couldn't
turn
off
Monroe
to
13th
Street.
Due
to
these
bollards
I
was
told
that
the
bollards
recessed
into
the
ground
for
emergency
vehicles-
that
was
not
true,
the
bollards
were
movable.
The
county
should
doning
violations
more
than
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
the
association
burnt
them
for
several
months.
G
Last
year
they
blocked
13th
Street,
use
it
using
plastic
sawhorses.
Can
I
block
access
to
Monroe
Street
with
sawhorses?
In
addition
to
flagrantly
ignoring
Arlington
County
laws,
numerous
residents
have
acted
with
hostility
toward
me
when
I
occasionally
drove
down
13th
Street
angry
resin,
which
flagged
me
down
yelling.
This
is
a
private
street.
You
have
no
right
to
drive
down
this
street.
Now
they've
devised
a
chain
system.
They
want
installed
for
only
emergency
vehicles.
This
is
unreasonable
and
unsafe.
Delaying
fire
crews
from
extinguishing
a
fire
behind
me
or
beside
me
could
cost
lives.
G
G
Douglas
Park,
Civic,
Association
and
homeowners
association
may
support
the
proposed
change.
I
would
have
weighed
in
earlier,
but
I
never
got
any
information
about
this
in
neighborhood
newsletters
I
do
not
trust
that
the
homeowners
association
will
do
what
they
say
or
what
is
legal?
Why
would
they
start
now?
G
A
H
H
There
were
some
very
serious
concerns
expressed
by
many
members,
including
both
myself
and
the
chair
of
the
Transportation
Commission
about
this
chief
Lee
has
to
do
with
the
2003
board
report
and
I'm.
Just
going
to
read.
Two
provisions
from
the
2003
board
report
condition:
15
a
required
the
construction
of
a
driveway
entrance
to
the
sites,
twelve
foot
wide
private
driveway
between
units
23
and
24
at
South,
Monroe,
Street
nestled
that
blank
which
does
refer
to
it
as
a
driveway,
of
course,
but
there's
a
construction
requirement.
More
I.
H
Think
concerning
for
the
Transportation
Commission
was
that
we
had
been
told
during
the
RTA
hearings
and
in
the
RTA
board
report
that
the
2003
report
had
referred
to
this
as
an
ally
or
as
a
driveway
when
in
fact,
condition.
50
and
the
of
the
2003
board
report
held
that
the
developer
agrees
that,
within
30
days
after
request
by
the
county
manager,
the
developer,
it
shall
take
all
reasonable
and
prudent
action,
including
installing
signage
and
traffic
signals.
H
The
Commissioner
who
voted
against
the
recommendation
has
characterized
it
as
you
were
supposed
to
build
it
like
a
street,
but
you
didn't
build
it
like
a
street
and
therefore
it's
not
a
street
which
wasn't.
You
know
that
that
Commissioner
felt
very
strongly
that
that
was
not
how
we
do
master
transportation
planning
yeah.
To
put
it
briefly,
there
were
a
couple
other
conditions.
H
There
was
a
concern
expressed
by
most
of
the
commissioners
that
pedestrian
easements
and
pedestrian
access
along
that
driveway
still
be
maintained,
unimpeded
along
with
bicycle
access,
along
with,
as
mr.
almond
mentioned,
a
mr.
almond
excuse
me
mentioned
emergency
access.
One
of
the
questions
that
was
raised
was,
who
would
be
paying
for
the
access
management
system
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
implicit
not
on
the
record,
but
strong
implicit
suggestion
for
mr.
Ullman
that
the
HOA
would
probably
be
paying
for
that
I've.
H
You
know
we
didn't
really
get
into
beyond
more
than
the
question,
but
that
wasn't
articulated
concern.
The
only
other
concern
that
came
up
was
the
location
of
it,
and
that
this
is
a
you
know.
13Th
in
Monroe
is
a
block
south
of
one
of
the
Columbia
Pike
revitalization
nodes,
and
not
just
one
of
but
the
central
Columbia
Pike,
revitalization
node
and
the
question
was
was
sort
of
raised
is,
is,
is
this
where
we
want
to
start
giving
up
major
intersections
along
the
grid?
This
is
exactly
the
opposite.
H
Situation
is
the
other
13th
Street,
where
we've
been
talking
about
where
there
is
a
complete
grid,
and
it
is
right
next
to
a
major
economic
hub,
and
should
we
be
relinquishing
that
part
of
the
grid
simply
because
a
developer
failed
to
abide
by
the
conditions
it
was
obligated
to
abide
by
14
years
ago.
Those
were
the
concerns.
H
A
I
C
I
A
I
I
J
Thank
you.
Can
staff
just
clarify
it?
It
is
currently
a
private
street
or
its
public.
That
piece.
The.
C
A
C
K
Is
a
minor
site
plan
amendment?
That's
it
been
advertised
to
go
to
the
November
County
Board
meeting
that
would
have
mend
the
conditions
of
site
plan
373
to
be
to
be
consistent
with
this
MTP
map
amendment,
assuming
that
the
board
approves
it
and
the
site
plan
amendment
is
really
intended
to
implement
the
MTP
amendment
of
making
this
what's
currently
shown
on.
The
MTP
map
is
the
street
as
an
ally,
I.
A
C
My
understanding
of
the
recent
history
of
this
project
is
that,
when
the
minor
site
plan
amendment
was
filed,
our
staff
notified
the
applicant
that,
in
order
to
to
to
do
the
minor
site
plan
amendment,
you
would
first
need
to
amend
the
MTP.
So
that
was
our
response
and
to
the
options
that
we
considered
were
how
to
designate
this
segment
of
street,
whether
it
be
designated
as
an
alley,
which
is
what
we
ultimately
decided
upon,
or
whether
to
designate
it
as
a
pedestrian
priority
street,
neither
of
which
would
allow
vehicular
access.
C
K
A
K
A
Staff
acknowledged
that
we
got
here
because
of
without
looking
at
you
know,
delving
into
trying
to
assign
responsibilities,
but
we
got
here
basically
because
of
a
goof
up
right,
that
there
was
ambiguity
and
the
site
plan
somewhere
along
the
way
that
the
the
developer
did
not
include
this
segment
of
the
street.
Presumably
County
staff
plan
reviewers
didn't
catch
that
it
was
approved.
I
understood
her
testimony.
The
bond
was
released,
so
we
got
here
through
kind
of
a
goof
up.
The
staff
acknowledged
that
or
my.
C
Review
of
the
the
plans
from
and
again
this
is
it's
all
historical
information
for
us.
Most
of
us
were
not
here
at
the
time
and
so
we're
trying
to
piece
together
our
understanding
of
documents
that
are
not
14
years
old,
with
some
of
many
of
the
staff.
We're
not
here
my
understanding
and
looking
at
the
previous
reports
and,
most
importantly,
the
civil
engineering
drawings.
C
There
were
never
any
drawings
that
showed
this
driveway
segment
to
be
anything
other
than
what
it
currently
is,
which
is
an
extremely
narrow
pathway,
not
designed
delineated
or
built
to
have
any
elements
that
we
typically
identify
with.
As
a
street
there's
no
curb.
No,
there
are
no.
It's
entered
via
a
driveway
apron.
There
is
not
sort
of
an
intersection
here.
The
only
access
once
you
get
to
the
base
of
the
hill
you're
provided
access
to
two
or
three
townhomes,
and
then
you
have
essentially
a
ninety
degree
turn
in
this
roadway.
C
It
could
be
and
I
think
that
there
perhaps
was
an
ultimate
goal
that
that
someday
this
might
be
redeveloped,
but
at
the
time
those
two
houses
were
there
at
the
top
of
13th
Street
and
Monroe
Street,
and
they
were
not
intended
to
be
demolished.
They
were
intended
to
be
renovated,
and
so
their
location
would
prevent
any
further
widening
of
this
roadway,
which,
as
commissioner
identified
its
it
was,
it
was
described
in
the
report
as
a
driveway
as
an
alley
and
in
one
segment
in
the
in
condition
number
50.
C
A
L
L
C
L
M
You,
mr.
chairman,
mr.
selling
a
couple
questions
for
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
Ladd
mentioned
you
know
some
of
our
new
Street
apologies,
pedestrian
priority
and
streets
of
being.
One
did
stuff.
Look
at
that
as
an
option
here
as
something
that
could
suffice.
What's
still
keeping
it
on
the
on
the
MTP.
Yes,.
M
C
M
C
The
fire
department
has
been
very
intimately
involved
in
the
sort
of
disposition
of
this
segment
of
roadway,
and
actually
it
is
the
fire
department's
recommendation.
It's
my
understanding
that
this
type
of
barrier
system
be
installed.
It
is
one
with
which
the
fire
and
police
departments
are
familiar
and
work
with
at
other
locations.
M
M
C
M
N
C
You
know
it's
our
position,
that
this
segment
of
roadway
was
inappropriately
placed
on
the
MTP
and
and
the
instances
were
was
identified
as
the
street.
It
was
done
so
inappropriately
and
not
in
accordance
with
our
standards.
We
are
and
our
goals
in
the
MTP
all
stress
connectivity
and
expanding
our
Street
Network
and
not
contracting
it
and,
as
I
indicated
previously,
you
know
I
think
it
was
just
last
year
that
11th
Street
was
opened
as
a
new
street
between
glebe
and
Monroe,
and
also
south
Lincoln
Street
was
created
and
we
are
working
to
complete
12th
Street.
C
Expand
connectivity
and
reduce
the
size
of
these
super
blocks
that
currently
exists,
and
especially
in
this
area,
south
of
Columbia,
Pike,
I,
think
13th,
Street
South
is
a
very
leak.
Weak
link
had
the
opportunity
presented
itself
were
those
two
houses
not
there
where
they've
located
further
apart,
we
could
have
and
would
have
I,
am
sure,
recommended
and
ensured
that
it
was
built
recommended
with
a
through
Street
and
ensured
that
it
was
built
to
county
standards.
C
J
C
L
Given
what
we've
heard-
and
this
was
very
brief
about
the
perception
of
the
street
being
blocked
off
and
the
suggestion
for
physical
barriers-
will
we
be
putting
up
signs
that
indicate?
This
is
indeed
a
public
right-of-way
for
bikes
and
pedestrians,
so
that
everyone
knows
that
it
is
in
fact
open
to
them.
C
C
A
A
D
H
Guess
I
I'm
still
not
happy
about
this
for
reasons
that
I
think
have
been
expressed
by
all
of
us.
That
being
said,
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
that
the
county
board
adopt
the
attached
resolution
to
amend
the
master
transportation
map
to
change
the
designation
of
a
section
of
13th
Street
south
between
South
Kenmore
Circle
and
South
Monroe
Street
from
neighborhood
minor
street
to
alley
and
to
remove
it
from
the
Arlington
County
MTP
map.
A
Thank
You
mr.
weir
yeah
this
one,
the
the
potential
precedent,
moral
hazard
here
I
think,
is
significant
in
to
to
miss
Siegel,
who
came
out
and
testified
and
in
terms
of
her
long
time,
residents
in
the
neighborhood
and
her
perception
of
what
has
and
hasn't
happened.
I
think
gives
me
a
lot
of
pause.
However,
we
do
have
to
move
forward
and
in
order
way,
the
what's
there
physically
I
think.
Is
it's
unrealistic
to
expect
that
there
would
be
that
there's
an
ability
to
fulfill
that
condition.
Fifty
of
the
original
site
plan?
A
Having
said
that,
I
think
it's
and
and
I
know
sometimes
feelings
and
perceptions
be
among
neighbors.
It's
a
classic
age
old
condition,
and
what
we
try
and
do
in
Arlington
is
to
work
those
things
out
and
make
sure
that
this
is
why
we
have
good
planning
and
why
we
don't
like
to
be
in
this
kind
of
situation,
because
when
you
have
good
plans,
if
you
follow
them
generally,
you
don't
get
into
pitting
neighbor
versus
neighbor,
but
I
do
think
it
I'd
like
to
actually
make
an
amendment
to
the
motion.
A
A
I
Comment
on
that
I'm
very
much
torn
on
this
I
think
the
the
the
chair
raised
a
very
good
point
that
the
MTP
is
the
vision
for
the
future.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
done
immediately.
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
have
really
explored
all
the
possibilities.
A
one-way
street
or
a
pedestrian
priority,
or
one
of
the
other
typology
is
that
we
now
have.
Whether
that
could
be
could
be
done.
I
I
You
know
there
may
have
been
a
mistake
made
number
of
years
ago,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it
really
should
preclude
the
ability
because
of
a
mistake,
preclude
the
ability
of
circulation
in
the
future,
and
we
have
circulation
now,
it's
not
perfect
by
any
means,
but
it
certainly
is
still
circulation.
It
does
allow
emergency
vehicles
to
go
through
which
should
allow
bicycles
and
pedestrians,
which
you've
acknowledged,
I,
don't
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
because
it
we
could
acknowledge.
I
A
I'd
like
to
actually
speak
to
that
point,
since
I
wasn't
one
that
raised
it
and
let
you
know
where
I
sort
of
came
out,
which
is
I,
heard,
direct
testimony
from
our
staff
and
mister
sellin,
that
it
was
staffs
conclusion
that
the
error,
to
the
extent
there
was
one
was
including
this
section
on
the
MTP
and
that
I
took
that
to
mean
that
the
error
was
not
so
much
in
the
way
and
the
approval
and
the
construction
of
the
site
plan.
It
was
in
the
inclusion
of
the
section
on
the
MTP
and
I.
A
Don't
think
that
we
don't
have
the
ability.
Nor
is
it
necessarily
our
role
to
question
that
conclusion
by
staff.
We
can
accept
it
or
not
accepted
I,
suppose
in
our
own
individual
judgment,
but
where
I
come
out
is
we
do
have
I
think
this
is
a
tough
one,
but
we
have
very
very
professional
staff
and
I
think
when
it
comes
down
to
to
the
extent
that
there's
sort
of
a
burden
of
proof
here,
I
think
that
I
am
compelled
to
trust
the
judgment
of
our
professional
staff
that
have
looked
at
this
and
worked
through.
A
C
H
So
you
know
I
I
acknowledged
that
that
staff
is
in
a
very
tough
spot
and
I
think
that
you
all
have
done
a
commendable
job
negotiating.
What
I
think
is
a
tough
needle
to
thread
here.
I
think
that
we
are
in
a
tough
spot
and
and
I
slightly
disagree
with
with
the
chair
about
the
error.
As
I
read
the
2003
report,
the
error
is
not
including
the
street
in
the
master
transportation
plan.
The
error
was
the
failure
to
make
the
street
conform
to
the
conditions
that
were
required.
H
H
H
Were
we
to
recommend
to
the
board
that
the
board
include
language
in
the
amendment
that
this
section,
this
intersection
shall
be
reinstated
to
the
MTP
at
the
earliest
practicable
opportunity,
given
development
trends,
how
would
that
comport
with
how
we
go
about
doing
comprehensive
planning
in
the
county?
That's.
A
C
C
N
C
You
see
the
on
this
on
the
map.
That's
that's
on
the
screen
right
now,
the
the
area
in
blue
hatching
it.
Those
are
areas
where
we
expect
development
to
occur,
and
those
are
areas
typically
where
we
do
identify
opportunities
for
new
streets
to
be
constructed,
and
this
is
outside
of
that
it
may
be
outside
of
it
by
you,
know
a
block,
but
it's
outside
so
I,
don't
see
it
I,
don't
see
the
likelihood
of
it.
Thank.
L
A
A
H
L
Language
to
not
preclude
this
access,
but
I.
Imagine
if
someone
is
walking
by
and
there
isn't
a
sign
and
it
looks
private
and
in
practice
it's
been
treated
as
private.
They
may
walk
all
the
way
up
to
11th
or
down
to
14th
and
if
our
intent
is
to
make
it
part
of
the
pedestrian
grid,
at
least
I
think
a
sign
seems
reasonable.
I.
I
L
A
A
J
J
H
A
So
that
that
would
that
would
not
really
that
would
be
more
of
a
substitute
motion,
an
amendment
because
it
would
contradict
the
main
motion.
Okay
and
you
can
you
can
offer
that
substitute
motion
if
you
would
like
I
went
away
before
you
do
that
I'm
not
so
sure
that
I
would
be
able
that
I
would
be
willing
to
support
that.
But
I
don't
know
if
others
want
to.
J
A
J
A
A
We
can
advise
the
board,
but
they're
either
I
mean
one
way
to
do.
That,
then,
would
be
to
recommend
a
deferral
and
that
this
would
go
back
to
staff
to
to
for
further
study
and
to
and
to
further
analyze
that
that
option
and
and
I
just
don't
think
that
that's
route.
For
me,
that's
not
the
direction
that
I
think
this
is
needs
to
go.
Please
Commissioner,
Siegel.
O
C
And,
of
course,
the
utility
of
it
is
diminished
by
the
directionality.
If
you
just
have
one
a
one-way
direction
street
you
do
not
have
those
the
same
utility.
It
would
also
need
to
be
upgraded
and
rebuilt
with
curved
gutter
and
a
different
more
of
an
intersection
and
less
of
a
driveway
apron
at
13th
Street.
These
are
all
things
that
could
be
done.
A
C
It's
just
something
that
these
are
not
characteristic,
typically
characteristic
of
Arlington
streets.
They
may
be
characteristic
of
you
know
European
streets
and
things,
but
but
this
sort
of
extremely
narrow
configuration
and
its
development
standard
far
below
what
we
typically
have
is
not
something
that
we
would
recommend.
I
think
we
would
if
we
were
to
recommended
as
a
street.
We
would
also
want
that
to
be
straightened
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
possible.
O
Come
back,
I
think
what
concerns
me
is
that
if
we
recommended
a
deferral
and
kicked
it
back
to
staff
I'm,
not,
although
the
admission
was
that
they
hadn't
really
crossed
all
the
T's
and
dotted
all
the
eyes,
I
fear
macum
back
with
the
same
negative,
the
same
negative
response,
and
so
that
sort
of
leads
me
to
support
the
original
emotional,
though
this
is
not
yet
emotion
to
just
sort
of
be
done
with
it.
I'm
satisfied
that
there
is
a
no
orderly
procedure
that
staff
goes
through.
O
Will
this
be
rebuilt?
Will
this
area
be
redeveloped
so
that
more
or
less
major
improvements
to
the
road
could
be
envisioned
and
would
be
possible
in
some
foreseeable
I'm
and
III?
Am
I
it's
not
pleasant
to
hear
the
conflicting
conditions
and
condition
that
wasn't
enforced
and
it's
in
the
back
in
the
fails
of
time,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
we're
kind
of
at
a
dead
end
with
this
pardon
pardon,
the
pun.
So
that
would
be
my
my
response
right.
A
A
J
A
A
H
A
H
A
A
H
I
just
speak
to
that
place.
I
I
think
that
I've
played
an
outsized
role
in
sort
of
framing
the
debate
because
of
my
report
and
my
comments
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
if
staff
comes
back
with
the
exact
same
recommendations,
I
will
be
happy
to
completely
support.
It.
I
just
think
that
there's
a
little
bit
more
thought
that
needs
to
go
into
it
and
if
the
ultimate
conclusion
is
we
stand
by
our
recommendation,
then
then
I
think
it's
then
I
think
I'm
would
be
much
more
comfortable
doing
it
at
that
time.
O
A
B
B
K
A
K
K
The
site
is
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
Lee
Highway
and
north
Underwood
Street
in
the
East
Falls
Church
neighborhood
directly
to
the
north
is
Stewart.
Park
to
the
east
are
single-family
detached
homes
to
the
west,
are
the
Fenwick
Court
townhouses
and
to
the
south
as
a
Verizon
switching
station
shown
on
the
map
and
the
Laurel
news,
townhouses.
K
K
The
general
land
use
plan
designation
for
this
site
is
a
low/medium
residential
at
16
to
36
units
per
acre.
This
club
designation,
was
amended
relatively
recently
in
in
2011,
would
concurrent
with
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan,
of
whose
previously
service
commercial,
the
applicant,
is
proposing
to
rezone
the
site
from
co2
ra
818.
This
rezoning
is
consistent
with
the
designation
of
low
medium
residential
and
the
Fenwick
Court
to
the
west,
and
the
Laurel
new
townhouses
across
Lee
highway
to
the
south
are
also
zone.
K
Ra
818,
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
2011,
following
a
four-year
community
process,
led
by
a
citizen
task
force,
and
this
will
be
the
first
site
plan
to
by
the
Planning
Commission.
Under
this
area,
plan
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
relevant
recommendations
for
the
subject
site
from
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan.
The
site
is
designated
as
site
F
in
the
neighborhood
transition
area
and
the
area
plan.
K
K
K
K
There
are
specific
design
guidelines
for
townhouses
in
the
area
plan,
and
many
of
these
were
major
discussion
points
at
the
SPRC
meetings.
They
resulted
in
some
design
changes
to
bring
the
proposed
development
more
in
line
with
these
guidelines.
Major
guidelines
are
oriented
orienting,
the
townhouses
along
streets
with
the
front
entrances
along
existing
major
streets
building
along
the
build
two
lines,
not
having
a
sawtooth
pattern,
looking
at
materials
that
are
primarily
brick
and
avoiding
synthetic
materials
on
facades
that
are
visible
from
public
areas.
K
These
this
is
again
from
the
area
plan.
The
recommended
streetscape
section
for
Lee
highway
on
top
is
existing
and
below
is
the
proposed
Street
section
area.
The
the
application
is
meeting
this
streetscape
section
area
with
with
a
few
extra
feet,
jacent
to
the
planting
zone
along
Lee
highway.
This
is
nor
Underwood's
street
again
the
existing
at
the
top.
K
The
proposed
from
the
area
plan
on
the
bottom
and
again
the
applicant
is,
is
meeting
the
streetscape
section
recommendation
with
with
about
two
feet:
extra
in
the
planting
zone,
a
summary
of
the
application
again
rezoning
from
co2
ra
818,
that's
consistent
with
the
glup
designation,
the
site
plan.
For
the
one
point,
six
nine
acre
site
is
twenty
seven
townhouses,
which
is
sixteen
units
per
acre
again
consistent
with
the
co-op
designation
heights
are
at
three
to
four
stories.
They
all
show
as
four
stories
and
then
has
an
option.
K
Homeowners
as
as
they
buy
the
as
they
have
the
contracts
on
the
townhouses
they'll.
Have
the
option
to
have
an
attic
space
in
the
fourth
storey
built
out
as
an
additional
bedroom
as
a
fourth
storey,
so
some
of
them
might
be
three
stories.
Some
of
them
might
be
four
stories,
but
they'll
all
read
is
is
four
stories.
K
The
building
height
measured
from
the
slab
is
thirty
seven
and
a
half
feet.
So
that's
if
you're
just
standing
in
front
of
the
townhouse.
That's
what
it
look
like,
because
in
the
zoning
we
measure
from
the
average
site,
elevation
and
they're
proposing
to
regrade
the
site,
each
each
building
will
have
a
different
height.
K
Measured
from
that
elevation,
even
though
they're
all
the
same
height
from
the
slab
and
the
highest
building
will
be
forty
6.6
feet
again,
measured
from
average
grade
they're,
proposing
64,
total
parking
spaces
and
that'll
be
two
garage
spaces
for
each
unit
and
then
ten
surface
spaces
on
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
six.
In
this
instance,
looking
at
the
site
design
again
the
the
townhouses
fronting
along
lee,
highway
and
north
underwood
street
and
then
also
having
a
consistent
line
along
the
stewart
park
frontage.
K
This
exhibit
just
shows
where
the
where
the
front
doors
are
in
blue
and
where
the
garages
are
in
red,
and
you
can
see
for
some
of
the
interior
sites
and
the
sites.
A
long
story
park
that
those
are
front
loaded
units
so
that
all
of
the
garages
are
accessed
from
the
internal
streets.
And
then
those
red
and
blue
lines
will
have
front
doors
and
garages
on
the
front.
K
With
that
grade,
ranging
from
0
up
to
7
feet,
as
indicated
on
the
on
the
diagram,
and
that
green
dot
is
just
showing
where
that
stair
access
is
so
from
the
67
11
site.
You
would
walk
down
to
to
the
grade
of
the
Fenwick's
site
and
then
both
townhouse
communities
would
be
able
to
have
access
into
Stewart
Park.
K
One
of
the
things
that
was
discussed
at
length
at
the
SPRC
meetings
were
two
pin
oak
trees
that
are
located
just
on
the
county
side
of
the
property
line
in
Stewart
Park.
Initially,
these
were
proposed
to
be
removed
through
working
with
County
staff.
The
applicant
has
has
identified
in
county
staff,
have
identified
a
root
protection
matting
system
that
can
be
placed
prior
to
grading,
that
the
county's
urban
forester
believes
will
preserve
both
of
these
mature
trees.
K
Just
an
image
of
the
frontage
proposed
along
Lee
Highway,
and
then
this
is
an
image
of
the
North
Underwood
street
frontage.
During
the
site
plan
review
committee
process,
the
the
stick
of
towns
that
were
originally
proposed
along
Underwood
Street
were
parallel
to
that
Street.
Through
the
process.
The
applicant
of
reoriented
redesigned
the
site
to
face
those
along
north
Underwood
Street,
which
is
more
consistent
with
the
area
plan.
K
The
County
Board
can
modify
certain
provisions
of
the
zoning
ordinance
with
site
plan
approval
to
implement
the
recommendations
of
sector
and
area
plans.
The
applicant
is
requesting
modifications
for
setbacks,
lot
coverage
and
building
height
with
this
application
staff
finds
these
modifications
to
be
generally
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
area
plan.
K
Specifically
the
the
Lee
Highway
and
North
Underwood
Street
setbacks
are
are
consistent
with
the
streetscape
recommendations
in
the
area
plan
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
with,
with
the
height
that's
being
measured
from
average
grade,
which
is
above
the
zoning
or
in
its
maximum
of
40
feet.
But
if
you're,
if
you're
standing
at
the
site,
it'll
read
as
about
maybe
38
feet
or
so.
K
K
The
East
Falls
Church
area
plan
recommends
ultimately
having
a
pedestrian
path
through
the
Verizon
site.
That's
on
the
other
side
of
Lee
Highway
from
this
site
from
the
East
Falls
Church
Metro,
ultimate,
ultimately
up
to
Underwood
Street
and
recommends
that
as
the
Verizon
site
redeveloped
through
the
site
plan
process
that
the
county
get
facilitate,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
connections
through
that
site
also
recommends
ultimately
having
signalized
pedestrian
crossings
at
Lee,
Highway
and
Underwood
Street
and
Washington
Boulevard
near
the
Verizon
parking
lot.
K
K
Another
issue
that
came
up
during
the
SPRC
process
was
for
the
existing
SunTrust
Bank
is
currently
used,
particularly
on
evenings
and
weekends,
for
parking
for
Stewart
Park,
which
has
a
rectangular
field.
That's
regularly
regularly
used
for
soccer
games
and
and
soccer
practices,
and
a
number
of
community
members
raise
concerns
at
SPRC
about
that
parking
which
is
used
informally
today,
going
away
with
the
redevelopment
of
the
site
and
then
parking
parking
on
the
site
with
the
townhouses
would
no
longer
be
available
for
for
that
park.
K
The
site
plan
features
that
are
proposed
with
this
are
the
streetscape
and
public
utility
improvements
consistent
with
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan.
There's
an
underground
utility
fund
contribution,
they're,
committing
to
a
transportation
demand
management
program,
that's
consistent
with,
with
with
what
we
expect
for
townhouses
they're,
committing
to
the
silver
level
of
green
Homechoice
certification,
which
is
a
county,
run
green
building
program
where
we,
the
county
staff,
will
certify
and
it's
intended
for
for
single-family
homes
and
townhouses.
So
that's
the
the
standard
expectation
for
townhouses
and
also
an
affordable
housing
contribution.
K
Part
of
the
zoning
ordinance
standards,
the
public
process.
For
this,
there
were
three
site
plan
review
committees
between
July
and
October,
including
the
second
one
was
a
walking
tour,
the
Transportation
Commission
her.
This
is
an
information
item
and
also-
and
just
last
week,
I
heard
this
at
a
public
hearing
and
recommended
approval.
K
E
Well
good
evening,
my
name
is
Matt
Roberts
with
bean
Canyon
Corman
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
NVR
the
applicant
and
we're
very
excited
to
be
discussing
our
applications
with
you
tonight
before
I
get
into
the
presentation.
I
do
want
to
thank
staff
for
their
efforts
throughout
the
project.
You
know
the
various
comments
we've
received
as
well
as
commissioners,
Garin
and
Shelby
in
terms
of
taking
this
project
through
the
3s
PRC
meetings
that
we
did
have
next
slide.
Please
Matt
did
a
very
good
job
when
his
presentation
tonight
and
frankly
stole
a
lot
of
our
thunder.
E
So
hopefully
we
can
roll
through
this
thing
pretty
quickly,
but
just
to
orient
you
that
aside
again,
this
is
the
SunTrust
Bank
site
located
at
the
intersection
of
Lee
Highway
in
north
Underwood
Street
important,
to
note
we're
also
fairly
close
to
the
intersection
of
Lee
Highway
and
Washington
Boulevard.
With
this
site
and
as
Matt
mentioned,
approximately
a
half
mile
from
the
East
Falls
Church
Metro
Matt
did
orient
you
to
the
surrounding
uses
of
the
site,
but
a
couple
other
things
about
the
current
site
use.
As
Matt
mentioned.
E
It's
currently
developed
with
the
Sun
Trust
Bank
itself,
but
there
are
also
several
different
office
users
in
there
currently
a
realty
group,
CPAs
and
so
forth.
The
site's
currently
developed
with
four
different
curb
cuts
along
the
to
public
frontages.
There
are
approximately
thirty
seventy-three
on-site
parking
spaces
and
the
surface
parking
lot
and
if
you
were
to
walk
the
site
today,
the
the
current
streetscape
is
rather
mild,
with
approximately
five
foot
sidewalks
out
there
and
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
next
slide.
Please,
as
Matt
mentioned,
we
are
proposing
27
new
townhouses.
With
this.
E
With
this
site
plan
amendment
and
rezoning,
that's
approximately
16
units
per
acres.
We
are
going
to
be
most
immediately.
What
you'll
notice
in
the
diagram
in
front
of
you
is
we
eliminate
two
of
the
four
curb
cuts
with
this
project:
the
ones
along
Lee
Highway,
where
you
have
the
highest
chance
for
conflicting
turning
movements
about
the
homes
internally.
These
are
22
by
50
foot,
wide
units.
E
Sorry,
22
foot
wide
by
50
foot
long
units
which
allows
us
to
ultimately
park
two
cars
within
the
garages,
so
no
one's
sitting
in
any
of
the
driveways
parked
out
in
Dover
or
the
over
the
sidewalks
things
such
as
that
14
of
these
units
will
have
the
garage
and
the
front
door
facing
on
the
same
side
of
the
building.
So
you
access
the
building
from
the
same
side
that
you
get
into
your
garage
and
then
the
13
13
of
the
remaining
units,
specifically
along
under
woodenly
highway.
E
You
will
access
the
front
door
to
the
unit
from
the
public
frontage
and
your
garage
from
the
interior
private
streets.
As
Matt
mentioned,
we
do
have
ten
additional
parking
spaces
on
site
at
allows
for
two
for
visitors
deliveries,
things
such
as
that
and
avoids
having
those
people
in
the
on
street
parking
spaces
adjacent
to
the
site
and
up
closer
to
Charles
a
Stewart
Park.
Next
slide.
Please,
the
East
Falls
Church
plan
does
address
a
number
different
elements
related
to
our
site,
I'd
like
to
walk
you
through
a
couple
of
them.
E
Now,
first
and
foremost,
it
does
permit
townhouses
to
be
developed
on
site
and
in
fact,
if
you
were
to
count
the
number
of
units
shown
in
the
plan,
there
are
28
units
shown
in
the
plan
as
a
conceptual
drawing
in
order
to
do
townhomes
on
the
site.
We
do
need
to
do
two
things.
One
is
a
rezoning
of
the
site,
that's
anticipated
by
the
glopped
assignation
of
low-medium
residential
and
that's
from
co
2
ra
818,
which
is
a
townhouse
district.
E
E
Ultimately,
that
helps
you
know,
we
think
reduce
the
visual
impact
of
you
know
various
residential
uses
on
the
streetscape
next
slide,
please
in
context.
We
did
go
through
and
refine
the
the
heights
and
the
massing
of
the
site
throughout
the
SPRC
process.
You
know
relative
to
the
existing
neighborhood
fabric
and
so
in
context
of
the
adjacent
sites
along
Lee
Highway.
Our
townhouse
Heights
are
very
similar
to
what
you'd
find
in
Fenwick
Court
approximately
three
feet
higher
than
the
moat,
then
the
closest
Fenwick
Court
townhouse
adjacent
to
us,
a
lonely
highway.
E
The
last
thing
and
again,
as
Matt
mentioned,
there's
some
serious
grading
going
on
on
the
site,
some
serious
topography
changes,
and
so,
as
you
move
towards
the
park,
the
site
does
become
steeper
and
the
relative
height
of
those
units
does
change
from
approximately
40
feet
closest
to
Lee
Highway
measuring
up
to
about
forty
six
and
a
half
feet
as
you
get
closer
to
the
park.
Next
slide,
please
one
of
the
remaining
elements
in
the
East
Falls
Church
plan.
E
That's
very
specific
to
this
site
is
the
build
to
line
along
the
public
frontages,
and
so
this
is
actually
one
of
the
elements
and
we'll
talk
about
this-
that
we
change
during
the
SPRC
process.
But
in
the
final
design,
the
townhomes
do
address
the
streetscape
along
underwood
and
lee
highway
at
the
front
doors
and
steps
facing
out
onto
the
street,
and
the
visual
impact
of
that
is
to
provide
basically
a
continuous
streetscape
and
a
continuous
view
of
the
architecture
as
one
rounds
the
site
to
better
connect
it.
E
We
think,
with
you
know
the
current
current
development
in
the
air,
as
well
as
the
future
development
planned
along
Lee
Highway
in
this
area
in
East,
Falls
Church.
Next
slide.
Please
again,
as
Matt
mentioned,
one
of
the
prime
issues
that
we
went
through
and
find
in
a
lot
of
different
ways
was
the
architecture,
and
so
we
we
did
make
a
number
of
changes
which
I'd
like
to
highlight
with
these
slides
so
that
you're
looking
at
lehigh
way
at
the
intersection
with
north
Underwood
Street.
E
You
can
also
notice
a
number
of
different
elements
that
add
some
visual
interest:
the
dormers,
the
windows
again
creating
that
residential
feel
along
these
frontages
next
slide.
Please
one
of
the
this
is
a
big
one
for
us
and
when
you
get
to
north
Underwood
Street,
this
is
where
we
probably
made
some
of
the
biggest
changes
to
how
the
site
lays
out
and
bringing
it
far
more
into
compliance
with
the
East
Falls
Church
plan.
E
We
originally
had
the
Underwood
units
with
the
end
of
that
unit
facing
out
onto
the
street,
which,
as
you
can
probably
guess,
and
if
you
are
at
SPRC,
you
saw
created
a
lot
of
dead
space
along
that
public
frontage,
and
so
we
were
pushed
pretty
hard
by
SPRC
members,
as
well
as
staff
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
accommodate
the
stormwater
on
site
and
try
and
flip
those
units
and
ultimately
Dewberry
to
their
great
credit,
was
able
to
finalize.
And
this
is
the
product
on
the
right
that
you
see
and
so
in
the
inn.
E
E
As
you
can
see,
in
the
original
condition,
there
would
have
been
four
townhomes
directly
facing
to
our
Fenwick
Court
neighbors
and
now
there's
only
one
end
of
the
townhome
facing
over
there
and
ultimately
opening
it
up
for
at
least
two,
perhaps
two
and
a
half
of
the
homes
adjacent
to
us
next
slide.
Please,
and
so
this
is
the
North
Underwood
architecture
in
the
final
design.
So
we
revised
this
in
a
lot
of
ways
to
create
that
residential
feel
along
along
this
frontage.
E
The
facades
are
all
brick
up
through
the
gable
roof
again,
creating
that
continuity
with
Lee
highway
in
terms
of
material
in
terms
of
materiality,
and
this
new
design
also
introduces
precast
elements
and
bans
separating
the
upper
and
lower
floors
again
trying
to
reduce
that
visual
impact
to
the
streetscape,
we're
also
using
the
brick
and
precast
in
a
variety
of
ways
to
try
and
highlight
the
windows.
You
see
that
we've
added
some
false
inset
windows
for
the
end
units,
but
there
are
a
number
of
windows
along
this
frontage
for
the
for
the
units.
E
Next
slide,
please
moving
to
the
park
at
the
park,
the
facades
get
capped
with
a
roof
terrace
and
that
helps
try
to
reduce
the
the
visible
height
of
that
unit
up
against
the
park
and
also
helps
you
put
eyes
on
the
park.
We'll
get
to
one
of
the
features
of
these
units,
which
is
called
the
sky
land
eye.
It's
basically
kind
of
an
almost
what
you
might
think
of
as
an
inset
balcony.
E
But
again
it
helps
to
break
up
the
facade
as
you're
going
up
the
rear
of
the
unit,
and
it
provides
that
can
that
indoor/outdoor
connection
to
the
park
at
the
SPRC
is
request
along
the
retaining
wall
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second
we've
added
an
aluminum
fence.
That's
made
to
look
like
a
wrought
iron
fence,
the
top
that
that
brick
retaining
wall,
but
we
have
agreed
to
a
condition
that
these
townhouse
units
will
not
be.
E
These
particular
townhouses
will
not
be
able
to
provide
a
privacy
fence
in
order
to
break
up
the
visual
impact
from
the
park
to
the
rear
of
the
townhomes
individual
privacy.
Fences
might
be
accommodated
between
the
units,
but
not
in
parallel
to
the
park
getting
back
to
the
retaining
wall
a
bit
if
you
were
to
go
out
to
the
site
today,
you'd
notice
that
the
site
actually
at
this
section,
slopes
down
and
into
the
park
rather
than
continuing
to
slope
up.
E
So
this
causes
us
to
need
a
retaining
wall
in
this
section
to
avoid
stormwater
runoff
into
the
park
and
mud
and
all
that
all
that
other
stuff.
So
what
we've
done
to
try
and
create
some
relationship
between
the
materials
of
the
units
that
you
see
along
the
public
frontages
is
adding
a
stacked
stone
wall.
That
kind
of
relates
back
to
the
brick
and
the
masonry
elements
that
you
see
along
the
public
frontages
in
these
units.
E
The
one
other
thing
about
Charles,
a
Stewart
Park,
while
the
build
to
line
in
the
East
Falls
Church
plan
does
call
for
these
units
to
face
outward
with
the
front
doors
into
the
park.
This
orientation
actually
keeps
our
units
consistent
with
the
units
at
Fenwick,
Court,
I.
Think
the
other
thing,
if
you
again,
if
you
go
out
there,
we
don't
have
it
in
our
slides
tonight,
but
if
you're
going
to
a
be
for
you
to
go
out
there,
a
number
of
the
park
elements
sit
immediately
adjacent
to
this
property
line.
E
There's
a
large
play
area
right
there
with
a
slide.
Some
swings
so
would
make
it
kind
of
difficult,
in
addition
to
the
grading
and
consistency
with
the
orientation
with
federal
court
to
try
and
keep
that
bill
to
line
the
way
it
was
probably
envisioned
with
the
East
Falls
Church
plan
next
slide,
please.
Another
major
change
for
us
was
along
the
shared
property
line
with
Fenwick
Court
and
get
as
I
described
earlier
when
we
flipped
the
units
onto
Underwood,
we're
also
able
to
address
the
visual
impacts
along
federal
court,
and
so
in
the
new
orientation.
E
We've
been
able
to
open
up
that
area,
as
you
can
see
in
the
slides
in
front
of
you
and
we've
done
that
in
a
pretty
substantial
manner.
So,
instead
of
viewing
the
the
rears
of
four
townhomes
now
those
those
units
face
into
the
interior
private
street,
and
so
we
think
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
private,
a
little
less
obstructive
to
the
neighboring
property
owners
and
you'll
also
notice
again,
as
Matt
mentioned,
the
continuity
of
the
retaining
wall.
E
Again,
the
stack
stone
structure
today
it
is
a
it
is
a
kind
of
rundown
and
dilapidated
a
bit
wood
retaining
wall
that
is
going
to
be
completely
redone
by
NVR,
protecting
both
Fenwick
core
and
this
side
of
the
property
line,
with
the
stacked
stone
structure,
the
aluminum
fence.
On
top
again
last
thing,
Matt
mentioned,
there's
an
existing
convention
connection
to
the
park
today.
E
If
you
were
to
go
out
there
from
Fennell
at
court,
you'd
have
to
walk
up
into
our
site
to
walk
into
the
park,
but
with
the
way
we're
rewriting
the
site,
we'll
be
able
to
actually
drop
that
platform
down
onto
the
Fenwick
Court
side.
So
they
can.
They
don't
have
to
walk
up
the
set
of
stairs,
although
they
could
to
get
out
to
Underwood
early
highway
from
the
end
units,
but
to
get
into
the
park.
They'll
simply
be
able
to
walk
to
this
pathway
at
their
grade
and
walk
into
the
park.
E
Next
slide,
please
one
of
the
remaining
architectural
differences
that
we
did
with
this
project
was
roofline
symmetry.
So
this
was
a
staff
comment,
but
also
something
that
got
picked
up
in
the
SPRC
about
refining.
What
was
the
original
roof
structure,
which
was
a
bit
wider,
a
bit
more
of
an
obtuse
triangle
on
trying
to
make
it
more
symmetrical,
and
so
what
we've
done
here
is
we've
reduced
that
loft
space
and
kind
of
redesigned
it
a
bit
to
accommodate
a
more
natural-looking
gable.
E
Next
slide,
please
again
one
of
the
other
elements
related
to
the
architecture,
and
then
the
materiality
was
what
colors
were
gonna
choose
and
how
did
that
relate
to
the
neighborhood?
And
so
the
palette
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
the
one
that
we
ultimately
presented
at
SPRC
and
so
something
that
we
we
kind
of
refined
through
that
process
as
well.
We're
proponent
proposing
a
lighter
to
mid-range
set
of
bricks
in
this
in
this
project,
so
it
incorporates
a
number
of
brown
and
red
hues.
E
Don't
ask
me
to
point
them
out
on
colorblind,
so
that's
gonna
be
a
little
difficult,
but
the
architecture
in
this
does
get
a
little
bit
better
as
we
start
to
align
those
materials
with
our
surroundings
and
the
brick
colors
that
you
generally
try
to
see
in
Arlington
next
slide.
E
Please-
and
this
is
it
in
context,
so
it's
kind
of
providing
that
combination
of
the
the
different
brick
coloring
throughout
the
stick
of
townhomes,
rather
than
one
stick
of
each,
but
ultimately
that
combination
of
the
color
palettes
helps
us
to
maintain
a
common
theme
throughout
the
development
next
slide.
Please
and
last
but
not
least,
some
of
the
interesting
features
NVR
proposes
with
these
units.
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
scale
and
I.
E
This
is
present
in
each
of
the
present
in
each
of
the
units
above
the
second
story
and
sort
of
starts
to
provide
that
indoor/outdoor
connection
between
the
interior
living
space
and
the
outdoor
and
the
outdoor
space,
where
you
know
where
it's
public
again.
This
is
one
thing
that
we
got
a
couple
questions
about
this,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear.
The
sky
lanai
is
fully
within
the
building
facade.
It
does
not
protect
beyond
the
building
face,
unlike
the
balcony
above
it
which
we'll
see
in
the
next
slide.
E
This
is
it's
interesting
because
we
started
off
with
NV
ours
in-house
program,
which
is
called
built
smart
and
we
ultimately
end
up
at
green
home
choice
and
and
realistically,
the
the
difference
between
the
green
building
features
that
we
would
have
proposed
in
the
original
and
the
original
program.
And
what
we're
going
to
be
agreeing
to
with
green
home
choice
are
virtually
identical
and
so
staff
seem
very
happy
with
that.
Members
of
the
SPRC
seemed
fairly
happy
with
that,
and
certainly
is
something
we're
more
than
happy
to
agree
to.
E
E
The
project
does
revise
the
streetscapes
pretty
substantially
in
accordance
with
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan,
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
eliminating
in
the
first
instance
those
two
lee
highway
curb
cuts
and
we're
also
going
to
be
providing
internal
streets
between
23
and
26
feet
in
order
to
meet
the
fire
department's
requirements
for
townhouse
units.
In
the
subdivision
and
I'll
walk
you
through
some
of
the
substantial
changes,
we're
making
you
the
streetscape
surrounding
this
site,
it's
the
next
slide.
Please
Matt
mentioned
that
this
is
the
same
diagram.
Matt
showed
you.
E
This
is
the
proposed
you
want
to
look.
This
is
Lee
highway.
You
want
to
look
Center
right
in
the
plan
and
so
Lee.
The
East
Falls
Church
plan
calls
for
additional
right-of-way
and
landscaping
area
behind
the
curb,
and
so
that's
what
we're
providing
on
the
next
slide
will
show
you,
basically
all
those
elements,
including
that
8-foot
sidewalk
5-foot
planning
strip
and
the
six
foot
plus
training
furniture
zone.
So
what
this
does
it
effectively
takes
that
sidewalk
and
landscaping
area
that
exists
today,
which
is
about
seven
and
a
half
feet
and
turns
it
into
19
feet?
E
We're
increasing
the
sidewalk
to
8
and
8
feet
in
this
area
on
that
in
the
other
elements,
I
just
discussed
next
slide,
please
and
similarly
along
Lee
Highway.
If
you
look
planned
left
of
the
center
line
in
the
in
the
diagram
in
front
of
you,
we're
adding
to
the
right-of-way
behind
the
curb-
and
you
can
see
in
the
next
slide
as
well-
the
six-foot
sidewalk
five-foot
tree
and
furniture
zone
in
a
five-foot
planting
strip
between
the
townhomes
in
the
sidewalk
again.
E
Currently,
if
you
just
go
out
there
today,
it's
about
a
six
foot,
sidewalk
and
landscaping
area,
it's
not
very
inviting
not
very
useful
next
slide.
Please.
We
were
asked
a
lot
about
the
landscaping,
especially
relative
to
the
streetscape
and
so
I
do
want
to
highlight
for
the
Planning
Commission.
Some
of
the
elements
that
we're
proposing
here,
specifically
around
the
site
on
Lee
Highway
and
Underwood
Street,
so
we're
providing
a
number
of
decisions,
can't
deciduous
canopy
trees,
there's
a
variety
that
we
can
ultimately
choose
from
in
the
Arlington.
E
The
Rosslyn
Boston
corridor
requirements
are
basically
what
apply
here.
Will
work
with
the
urban
forest
sort
of
you
know
in
the
ultimate
and
final
landscape
plan
on
what
those
become,
but
it
could
be
the
red
oak.
It
could
be
American
elm
we
want
to.
We
want
to
use
a
variety
that
does
an
over
plant
for
the
area.
Some
of
these
trees
that
are
on
the
county's
list
are
over
planted
and
it's
a
concern.
E
So
we
will
work
that
out,
but
these
are
proposed
to
be
canopy
trees
along
the
streetscape
internally
to
the
site,
they're
a
bit
slightly
smaller
medium
to
large
trees.
That
basically
is
deciduous
shade
trees
around
the
sidewalks
so
that
you're
getting
some
of
that
shading
as
you're
walking
throughout
this
site
and
some
smaller
columnar
or
deciduous
trees.
As
you
get
a
little
bit
closer
to
the
units,
so
variety
of
trees,
a
lot
of
landscaping
being
added
to
the
site
that
currently
doesn't
exist
there
today
next
slide,
please
a
little
bit
about
the
traffic
impacts.
E
If
there
are,
if
there
are
some
questions,
but
the
sites
well
served
by
alternative
transportation
modes,
there's
a
bus
stop
immediately
outside
of
the
site,
as
well
as
to
others
in
the
area.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
a
half-mile
Metron
we've
got
a
pretty
good
bike,
Network
going
on
in
the
area
as
to
the
TMP
conditions,
the
the
applicants
more
than
agreeable
to
the
standard
TMP
conditions,
which
we
also
believe
will
will
work
for
this
site
next
slide.
Please.
E
E
Certainly
somebody
at
NVR
is
going
to
be
appointed
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
building
permit
process,
that
information
will
go
out
to
all
the
neighbors
adjacent
to
the
site
in
terms
of
site
phasing
we're
probably
looking
at
going
from
the
park
up
to
Lee
Highway
and
we
will
be
able
to
stage
and
park
entirely
on
site
last
slide,
please,
and
so.
In
summary,
we
just
want
to
know
that
we
are
in
substantial
conformance
with
the
es
Falls
Church
plan.
E
B
P
So,
yes,
my
name
is
Susie
shine.
I
live
at
23
25,
north
Underwood
Street,
with
the
new
proposed
site
plan
development
they're.
One
of
the
access
points
is
literally
right
in
front
of
my
driveway.
My
family
and
I
have
lived
there
since
the
2004,
and
we
are
directly
in
front
of
that
SunTrust
Bank
site.
Both
my
children
are
going
to
talk
all
that
mentary
and
will
likely
go
to
either
Swanson
of
Williamsburg,
depending
on
which
way
they
decide.
The
boundaries
are
gonna
go
anyway.
P
I
was
unaware
of
a
redevelopment
of
67
11
until
I
read
about
this
possible
change
in
Arlington.
Now
news
article
upon
learning
about
the
request
by
NPR
to
change
the
zoning
from
co2,
raa
818
and
learning
that
there
were
SPRC
meetings
underway,
I,
attended,
SPRC,
number
three
meeting
on
September,
18th
and
2017
at
that
meeting.
During
the
brief
public
comments
that
were
allowed
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
I
voiced
my
concern
about
the
site
plan
review.
P
P
It
would
appear
that
the
applicant
and
the
county
staff
responsible
for
binding
the
list
do
not
consider
this
category
important
but
to
the
community
is
significantly
important.
Moreover,
without
addressing
benefits,
there
would
be
no
reason
for
continuing
this
project.
I
reviewed
the
documents
submitted
by
the
applicant
sat
through
the
SPRC
meetings
here
tonight,
and
it
is
under
the
impression
that
the
county
and
the
applicant
have
already
believed
that
this
project
has
been
it's
all
been
approved.
P
Considerable
time
and
resources
have
been
spent
discussing
discussing
about
brick,
public
art,
vegetation,
trees,
hide
a
building,
setbacks,
etc,
but
little
to
no
time
has
been
spent
on
what
the
community,
how
or
what
the
community
would
benefit
from
this
site
to
plan
development.
I
want
to
spend
the
next
few
minutes
discussing
the
disadvantages
to
the
community,
there's
a
definite
concern
about
where
school-aged
children
would
attend
elementary
schools.
Our
current
overcrowding
capacities
at
all
all
throughout
this
area
that
Arlington
County
and
continue
to
be
an
issue.
The
traffic
is
an
issue.
P
The
27
townhomes
has
not
been
properly
considered.
I
do
not.
We
do
not
consider
the
wells
and
associate
traffic
impact
analysis
stated
January
11th
to
be
a
valid
study.
There's
a
one-day
assessment
in
January's,
hardly
representative
any
conditions
as
they
serve
to
assess
insufficient
serving
as
a
basis
for
the
conclusions
receipts
reached
during
the
levels
of
service.
This
site
planned
is
largely
based
on
these
levels,
service
inclusions
but
which
were
not
valid,
nor
indicative
of
the
future
status
of
this
redevelopment
plan.
A
P
A
Q
Q
No
other
development
in
the
area
exceeds
60
percent
and
only
one
property.
Townhouse
development
even
reaches
60
percent
coverage
and
now
we're
going
to
68
and
a
half.
So
we
are
concerned
about
drainage
permeability
and
just
paving
over
the
county
number
two.
They
have
talked
extensively
about
the
height
of
the
buildings,
but
it
still
remains
a
problem
in
that
the
land
slopes
from
the
intersection
of
Lee
Highway
in
Underwood
down
to
Washington
Boulevard.
That
is
a
sloping
piece
of
property.
Q
We
are
down
below
the
property
that
they
are
talking
about
developing,
that
is
the
SunTrust
property
my
house
sits
below.
In
all
the
houses
in
my
sit
below
the
SunTrust
property
and
that
land
is
not
going
to
be
graded
down
to
be
parallel,
so
these
houses
will
sit
above
our
houses
and
we
are
concerned
about
that
and
if
you
take
into
consideration
the
shrinkage
of
land,
what
they
call
the
side
yards
or
the
rear
yards.
Q
If
you
look
at
building
number
two
on
your
site
plan,
building
number
two
is
the
Lee
Highway
portion
of
their
development.
They
are
saying
that
that
there
will
be
13
and
a
half
feet
to
the
property
line.
The
county
requirement
is
18
feet,
building
number
three,
which
is
the
center
building
that
they
have
reoriented
so
that
it
is
perpendicular
to
our
property
instead
of
parallel
to
our
property.
Q
That
is,
that
has
a
requirement
of
17
feet
by
the
county
that
has
been
reduced
to
12.1
feet,
and
if
you
look
at
the
property
that
will
be
parallel
to
a
Benwick
courthouse
at
the
back,
which
is
the
the
part
part
of
the
development
facing
the
park.
That
property
line
now
is
going
to
be
thirteen
point
nine
feet
from
the
adjacent
Fenwick
courthouse
instead
of
eighteen
feet.
Q
Q
We're
also
concerned
about
the
impact
of
traffic.
I
know
that
the
false
Church
Civic
Association
proposal
is
to
have
houses
face
outward
to
create
a
more
neighborly
effect,
but
the
problem
with
housings
houses
facing
outward
on
Lee
highway
is
that
those
will
be
the
addresses
at
which
service
men
delivery
trucks,
everything
else,
whether
it's
FedEx
or
the
air
conditioning
repairman
they're
going
to
stop
at
that
address
on
Lee
highway.
They
won't
know
how
to
assess
the
house
otherwise,
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
great
impediment
traffic
from
the
point
of
Underwood
and
Lee
highway.
Q
The
road
slopes
straight
down
to
Washington
Boulevard
and
access
to
I
66
traffic
speeds
once
it
hits,
gets
through
the
light.
Its
Sycamore
on
Lee
highway
traffic
picks
up
speed
when
it
hits
that
peak
right
at
Underwood.
It
immediately
picks
up
as
much
speed
as
possible
because
people
are
trying
to
make
the
green
light
to
get
on
66.
It
is
a
hazard
now
for
us
to
pull
out.
We
see
it
as
a
greater
hazard
when
they're
gonna
be
trucks
such
as
repairment
delivery,
trucks,
FedEx
trucks
etc.
Q
Parked
there
stopped
there
on
Lee
Highway,
so
we're
concerned
about
the
blockage
for
us
getting
out.
We're
also
concerned
about
the
speed
of
traffic
and
just
to
show
you
the
speed
of
traffic
and
what
damage
can
be
caused
in
rush
hour.
One
day,
a
car
was
speeding
down
Lee
Highway,
trying
to
make
the
green
light.
I
assume
had
to
hit
the
brakes
and
spun
around
and
smashed
into
my
neighbor's
house,
destroying
her
front
steps
in
railing.
So
it
does
happen
that
this
is
a
problem
area
for
traffic.
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
remarks.
Thank.
R
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Wells
Harrell
I
live
at
65,
59,
24th,
Street,
North
and
East
Falls
Church
across
from
Tuckahoe
Park
and
I'm
here
to
voice
my
approval
of
the
staffs
recommendation
to
move
forward
with
the
ordinance
and
resolution
necessary
to
allow
the
construction
of
the
27
townhouses
at
67
11
Lee
highway.
So
during
the
the
review
process,
the
site
plan
review
process,
and
also
at
this
hearing,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
by
my
neighbors.
R
You
know
concerns
related
to
traffic
concerns
relating
to
density
concerns
relating
to
where
delivery
trucks
are
going
to
park.
Concerns
relating
to
where
people
are
going
to
park
on
the
weekends
for
soccer
games.
Even
concerns
relating
to
well.
Why
didn't
we
build
proposed
to
build
a
multi-family
structure
with
mixed-use
at
this
site?
Those
are
all
legitimate
concerns.
R
I
I
share
many
of
them,
but
ultimately
the
the
the
matter
comes
down
to
this,
and
that
is
do
we,
as
residents
of
East
Falls,
want
to
welcome
27
new
families
into
our
community,
and
for
me
the
answer
is
overwhelmingly
yes,
these
are
27
families.
That's
that
we
get
to
know
these
are
27
families
who
get
to
send
their
their
children
to
to
our
children's
wonderful
schools.
These
are
27
families
that
get
to
enjoy
everything
our
neighborhood
has
to
offer.
R
You
know
easy
transit
access,
you
know,
W
know,
D
is
right,
there
we're
a
hop
skip
and
a
jump
away
from
restaurants
and
and
stores,
and
so
when
I
think
about
the
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised.
I
also
wonder
whether
similar
concerns
were
brought
up
when
it
was
first
proposed
to
build
the
townhouses
at
Family
Court
or
at
Laurel
Mews
right
across
the
street,
or
at
Sycamore
Heights
right
next
to
that.
R
But
those
projects
went
forward,
those
townhouses
got
built
and
dozens
and
dozens
of
families
got
to
move
in
and
we're
all
better
for
it
I'm
happy
to
call
them
my
neighbors,
our
County
is
growing.
Our
region
is
growing.
We
need
places
to
put
all
the
families
who
are
moving
here
and
I.
I
hope
that
the
project
moves
forward
and
the
27
families
who
might
move
in
I
I,
don't
know
who
they
are
yet
they
don't
know
who
they
are
yet,
but
I
sure
look
forward
to
meeting
them.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
H
This
for
those
of
you
who
have
recently
served
on
the
Transportation
Commission
you'll,
understand
what
it
means
that
we
heard
this
at
about
10:45
the
Commission
supported
it
unanimously
with
with
no
concerns
expressed.
There
was
a
question
raised
about
whether
or
not
this
would
negatively
impact
the
plans
for
bike
paths
along
Li.
Highway
were
reassured
that
the
necessary
right-of-way
exists
and
is
not
affected
by
this
development.
H
The
representative
from
Transportation
Commission
to
SPRC
noted
that
that
the
changing
of
the
two
mid
to
mil
units
from
north
to
south
at
that
swap
has
some
marketability
effects
for
those
townhouses
and
appreciated
that
that
the
applicant
had
gone
through
had
had
agreed
to
that.
In
light
of
that
and
I
think
that
the
only
other
we
heard
public
comment
the
only
of
the
concern
that
was
brought
up
during
transportation
commission,
we
have
heard
mentioned
today
from
one
of
the
public
commenters.
H
Apparently
there
was
some
concern
about
loss
of
parking
on
the
SunTrust
site,
the
Transportation
Commission.
It
was
only
reported
to
us
as
a
concern
that
was
raised
during
the
SPR,
see
the
Commissioner,
who
reported
it
noted
and
the
rest
of
the
Commission
members
agreed
I.
Think
that
the
that
is
not
public
parking
and
is
therefore
outside
of
the
realm
of
the
impacts
on
public
parking
that
would
be
raised
by
this
site
plan.
So
that's
the
report,
Thank.
J
You
and
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
their
hard
work.
I
want
to
thank
the
applicant
for
their
cooperation
and
excellent
presentation,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Commissioner
Garen
for
being
my
co-chair
and
her
mentoring
through
my
first
SPRC
process.
This
project
had
three
SPRC
meetings,
including
a
walking
tour.
J
The
main
areas
of
concern
that
remained
from
SPRC,
including
include
one
pedestrian
safety
and
walkability
to
building
architecture
and
three
traffic
and
parking
during
construction
and
long-term
park
use
I
just
want
to
review
some
of
the
discussion
we
had
during
SPRC,
so
under
land
use
and
zoning.
The
proposed
rezoning
from
co
2
ra
818
is
consistent
with
the
site's
glup
designation
of
low-medium.
The
applicant
is
proposing
16
acres
per
unit
16
units
per
acre.
J
Some
SPRC
members
expressed
interest
and
expressed
interest
in
a
greater
set
back
along
Lee
highway
in
line
with
Fenwick
quartz
setback,
and
there
was
concern
about
the
walkability
along
Lee
highway
with
interest
for
street
trees
that
provide
adequate
shade.
The
proposal
does
comply
with
the
area
plan
for
Street
dimensions
and
it
does
exceed
the
streetscape
requirements
along
Lee
highway.
With
the
nine
point
six
foot
planting
zone
between
the
sidewalk
and
buildings,
where
only
five
foot
is
required
for
building
architecture
and
design.
J
There
was
discussion
about
the
direction
the
townhome
should
face
that
are
adjacent
Stewart
Park,
some
SPRC
members
thought
they
should
front
the
park
in
accordance
with
the
area
plan
and
others
felt
facing
inward,
create
a
better
sense
of
community.
The
applicant
has
chose
to
keep
these
units
facing
inward.
J
Some
SPRC
members
felt
the
building
architecture
should
be
more
site-specific
rather
than
a
standard
product
from
the
applicants
portfolio
and
due
to
discussion
regarding
tree
preservation,
the
applicant
worked
with
county
staff
to
develop
a
plan
to
map
the
root
systems
of
to
county
owned,
mature
trees
in
the
park
adjacent
to
the
site.
This
is
a
new
approach
which
has
not
previously
been
utilized
within
the
county.
J
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
for
transportation.
There
is
significant
concern
about
pedestrian
safety
around
the
site,
particularly
to
and
from
metro
and
schools.
At
this
time,
the
proposal
does
not
necessitate
any
off-site
public
improvements.
However,
the
SPRC
does
acknowledge
the
concern
for
pedestrian
safety
across
the
highway.
It's
a
half
mile
walk
approximately
ten
minutes
to
the
east,
Falls
Church
metro,
using
the
crosswalks
at
Sycamore
or
Washington
Boulevard,
and
if
and
when
the
Verizon
said
is
redeveloped.
J
The
street
addresses
of
these
units
is
currently
unknown
and,
ultimately,
up
to
USPS,
the
applicant
is
encouraged
to
include
signage,
indicating
the
appropriate
delivery
and
drop-off
locations
for
this
community.
There's
also
concerned
for
a
lack
of
parking
available
for
users
of
Stewart
Park.
The
bank
currently
allows
us
that
allows
the
public
to
utilize
their
surface
lot
during
non
bank
hours.
It
is
noted
that
many
parks
in
Arlington
do
not
provide
parking
and
that
Tuckahoe
Elementary
is
0.4
miles
from
the
site,
which
has
a
surface
lot
that
could
be
utilized
during
non-school
hours
for
construction
issues.
J
So
in
summary,
NPR
is
proposing
a
27
unit,
townhome
development,
largely
in
keeping
with
the
vision
of
the
East
Faust
church
area
plan
and
with
SPRC
input.
The
proposal
reflects
changes
requested
by
the
community.
They
have
creative
efforts
to
try
to
protect
the
mature
pin
oaks.
They
updated
the
building
architecture
and
there
we
aren't
to
the
townhomes
along
north
Underwood.
Outstanding
issues
relative
to
this
proposal
specifically
include
pedestrian
safety
and
walkability
in
this
neighborhood
building
architecture
and
traffic
and
parking.
J
In
addition,
during
the
course
of
the
SPRC
process,
several
members
of
the
SPRC
expressed
some
frustration
that
alternative
development
options
were
not
considered,
including
reusing
the
Baker
structure
or
providing
a
different
form
of
residential
development.
The
applicants
proposal
does
conform
to
the
existing
Eric
plan
and
the
applicant
was
responsive
to
requests
to
the
SPRC
members
in
the
public
throughout
the
SPRC
process.
Thank
you.
A
H
Just
want
to
add
one
thing:
we,
the
the
Commission
I,
think
coming
out
of
the
RTA
process,
had
expressed
a
lot
of
concern
about
pedestrian
accessibility
to
the
metro
station.
The
reason
that
it
was
not
discussed
by
the
Commission
at
the
at
the
last
meeting
was
100%
due
to
an
exhaustive
staff
presentation
on
various
permutations
that
have
been
considered
and
exactly
what
commissioner
Shelby
suggested
that
it
would
ultimately
be
redeveloped
from
the
Verizon
Center,
a
Verizon
building.
H
What
came
up
for
redevelopment,
but
that
no
possible
pedestrian
crossing
at
Lee
highway
would
alleviate
some
of
the
trespassing
and
other
concerns
further
south
of
Lee
Highway.
So
it
was
a
concern
that
the
Commission
dealt
with
at
the
RTA
level,
but
I
think
that
the
Commission
was
completely
satisfied
with
staffs.
A
You,
commissioner,
we're
so
I
would
like
to
use
Commissioner
Shelby's
report
outline
basically
to
follow
along
so
we'll
go
through
land
use
and
zoning
building
architecture
and
design
transportation,
which
would
include
parking
and
then
construction
issues
and
then
pick
up
at
the
end.
If
there's
anything
that
was
raised
by
speakers,
that's
not
included
under
that
or
that
any
one
Commissioner
wants
to
raise
we'll
pick
those
up
at
the
end
and
a
catch-all.
So,
let's
start
off
with
land
use
and
zoning
any
questions.
J
K
Yes,
so
from
from
Fenwick
Court
there
are,
and
perhaps
we
could
look
at
the
site
plan
on
the
screen
so
from
Fenwick
Court,
which
is
on
the
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen.
There
are
three
units
that
have
a
setback
from
that
property
line
from
Lee
Highway
and
then
the
middle,
the
middle
stick
and
then
the
the
stick.
That's
next
to
Stuart
Park.
They
vary
from
around
12
to
13
to
14
feet.
K
These
specific
numbers
are
in
the
staff
report
and
the
the
required
setback
per
the
zoning
ordinance
are
17
to
18
feet
when,
when
staff
reviewed
this,
it
was
in
the
context
of
this
this
proposal
being
at
16
when
units
per
acre,
which
is
at
the
low
end
of
the
of
the
go
up
range
and
then
also
considering
the
the
existing
set
back
from
from
Fenwick
quartz.
So
if
you
look
at
that
long,
stick,
that's
along
North,
Van,
Buren,
Street
in
federal
court,
I!
Believe
that's
I,
don't
know.
A
N
K
A
O
Think
I
remember
the
numbers
that
the
so
the
applicant
is
asking
for
modification
a
lot
coverage
at
68%
I
think,
whereas
what
would
be
prescribed
is
56%
I
guess.
My
question
really
is
how
how
does
staff
evaluate
what
what
goes
too
far?
I
know
you
did
a
survey
of
other
sites
and
the
average
I
guess
was
60.
A
O
But
my
question
is
sort
of
general
when,
when
applicants
come
in
and
ask
for
those
kinds
of
modifications-
and
this
was
one
was
challenged
by
testimony
from
the
public,
how
do
what's
the
limit
when,
when
is
when
is
a
request?
Go
it
goes
too
far
or
was
this
Rick
did
this
request?
Was
this
request
scaled
back
by
you,
because
I
know
there's
back
and
forth
between
applicant
and
staff
and
the
beginning
of
the
as
the
project
is
being
accepted?
So
can
you
just
give
us
a
little
more
background
about
that?
What's.
K
So
the
request
was
to
do
the
same
analysis
for
this
project,
which
we
did
due
east
Falls,
Church
being
very
different
than
Boston,
not
having
an
area
plan
until
the
year
2011.
All
of
these
projects
listed
on
page
17
and
the
staff
report
of
those
only
three
were
site
plan
projects.
The
rest
were
all
by
Wright
townhouses
and
what
we
found
was
they
had
varying
lot
coverages
from
a
low
of
34
up
to
a
high
of
60
percent.
So
this
projects
lot
coverage.
K
You
know
would
be
higher
than
all
the
other
townhouse
projects,
but,
given
that
we
have
a
new
area
plan,
that's
recommending
townhouses
on
this
site
at
at
a
density
of
the
go
up
range
of
of
16
to
36
units
per
acre.
What's
being
provided
here
is
16
units
per
acre,
also
recognizing
that
the
parking
standards
for
townhouses
have
been
increased
in
the
zoning
ordinance
over
the
years.
While
the
lot
coverage
requirements
have
not
changed.
K
O
One
follow-up
question
as
you
as
you
looked
at
other
townhouse
developments.
Did
you
also
look
at
drainage
issues
because,
as
lot
coverage
expands,
the
impervious
surface
also
expands
and
you
you
may
run
into
I'm
just
sort
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
would
be
the
upper
bound.
Things
do
tend
to
incrementally
grow
so
that
that
that's
my
question
for.
T
This
Jane
Kim
from
des
this
proposed
development
actually
just
slightly
decreases
the
in
previous
area
on
site
than
what
is
there
today.
So
it's
in
terms
of
acreage.
It's
one
point:
four,
seven
acres
impervious
today
with
the
bank
and
in
the
future,
will
be
one
point.
Four
three
acres,
so
just
slightly
in
terms
of
acreage,
but
the
square
footage
number
is
obviously
more
significant.
So
in
terms
of
the
stormwater
management
they're
treating
and
will
be
expected
to
treat
all
of
that
impervious
area
on
site
and
and.
O
M
M
U
Is
the
largest
townhouse
development
we've
seen
in
quite
a
long
time?
The
Boston
project
was
eight
units.
You
know
we
haven't
seen
townhouses
for
a
while
and
most
of
them
never
reach
more
than
22
units.
An
acre-
and
you
know
this
is
kind
of
lower
than
that
a
little
bit.
But
it
is
the
drive
Isles
that
we've
tried
to
eliminate
the
cuts
on
the
street
occurring
on
the
site
and
the
parking
that
drive
that
coverage
right.
M
H
M
A
A
Thirty
are
a
fourteen
and
twenty
six
or
are
a
eight
to
18,
which
is
what
they're
going
what
they're
going
for
here,
but
in
the
I'm
wondering
tummy
again,
when
was
the
East
Falls
Church
area
plan
adopted
2011
2011
and
do
you
know
and
I
know
and
I
recognized
that
illustrative
plans
are
just
that
and
they
don't
always
think
everything
through,
but
clearly
you
know
some
notion
thought
of
of
a
green
space.
You
have
some.
A
It
seems
to
me
to
jump
out
that
there
would
be
green
space
and
presumably
that
had
some
thought
process
into
it
in
terms
of
the
lot
coverage
potential
and
so
what
I'm,
I
guess?
The
follow-up
that
I
want
is
just
to
confirm
from
what
I've
heard
here
that
given
well
actually
two
questions.
Sorry
about
that,
so
the
first
would
be.
Is
there
any
analysis-
and
maybe
the
applicant
has
done
this
if
the
surface
parking
lot
was
was
eliminated?
Well,
how
much
would
that
change?
E
So
I'm
I'm,
not
even
sure,
if
do
Barry
can
do
the
measurement
on
the
fly,
but
it
is
it's
roughly
I
would
have
to
guess
somewhere
between
25
to
27
percent
of
the
overall
coverage.
That's
pretty
typical,
given
the
23
to
26
inch,
26
foot
wide
drive
aisles
and
again
you
know
the
green
spaces.
We
saw
it
in
the
East
Falls
trip
again.
That's
actually
one
of
the
things
driving
lot
coverage
on
this.
E
E
V
A
I'm
only
trying
to
ascertain
how
I'm
not
questioning
whether
we
need
them
or
want
them
only.
How
much
is
it
driving
the
lot
coverage
equation,
because
I
am
I
am
concerned
that
that
that,
regardless
of
how
beautiful
a
job
or
not,
this
applicant
has
done
coming
forward
with
townhomes.
That
townhomes
are
not
really
the
most
effective
efficient
use
of.
A
Muscian
'el
spaces
for
housing
and
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
very
clearly
what
how
the
the
need
for
drive,
aisles
in
parking
and
etc
was
was
driving
the
lot
coverage
equation
of
this
a
question
and
I
will
give
you
a
chance,
commissioner
sure.
But
the
question
for
the
applicant
on
this
is:
did
you
consider
at
all
having
any
kind
of
underground
parking
for
the
site?
I've
seen
townhome
wares
townhomes
on
top,
but
it's
a
shared
parking
structure.
You
know
single
grave,
just
one
level.
A
E
So
in
earlier
iterations
of
the
project
that
would
have
incorporated,
you
know
certain
mixed-use
elements
or
perhaps
even
multifamily
elements
that
may
have
been
able
to
have
been
accommodated
in
the
current
townhouse
situation,
though
that
wasn't
considered
it's
extremely
cost
prohibitive
for
these
types
of
units.
Okay,.
Q
M
Function
of
this,
the
fact
that
the
applicant
is
likely
building
taller
buildings
to
accommodate
the
parking
ratio
is
that
true,
mr.
Ladd,
that
I'm
sorry
mr.
Roberts
I'm,
looking
at
they're
wrong
that
mr.
Roberts,
that
you
would
be
building
two
parking
spaces
per
per
townhouse
and
then
wanting
to
kind
of
recouped.
The
costs.
M
E
That
Pat
Donahue
with
NVR,
talked
to
sort
of
how
that
works
out.
I
will
say,
though,
when
you,
when,
when
a
developer,
comes
in
and
looks
at
the
project,
they
look
at
the
planning
for
the
site,
which
does
call
between
three
to
four
stories,
with
a
trend
as
a
transitional
element
to
this
area.
And
so
you
know,
the
parking
standard
is
two
spaces
already.
Just
you
know,
four
townhomes
in
general,
not
withstanding
height
and
so
I,
don't
know
Pat.
If
you
have
anything
to
add
regarding
the
economics
I.
S
S
R
M
M
Some
of
that
that
is
going
to
happen
because
of
the
parking
and
then
we're
already
at
twenty
six
foot
streetscape,
because
that's
what
the
fire
access
is
needed
for
the
site
and
so
we're
already
at
a
conversation
about
a
certain
amount
of
law
coverage
because
of
fire
access
that
can't
be
any
narrower.
What's.
A
So
if
the
parking
in
theory,
if
the
parking
was
below
grade
and
the
whole
structure
dropped
down,
then
once
your
basements
we're
basic
instead
of
your
basements
being
accurate,
your
ground
level,
the
lowest
level
of
the
unit's
being,
instead
of
at
grade
being
below
grade
that
you
wouldn't
then
have
the
drive
autocar.
So
not
only
would
you
have
less
parking
at
street
level,
you
would
have
you
wouldn't
have
the
height
issues,
but
that's
not
the
the
direction
that
this
applicant
went
with.
A
E
Certain
impacting
so
again
speak
to
that
one
element.
You
know
to
consider
as
well
as
this
particular
site
and
that
which,
while
it
might
be
true
in
other,
you
know,
townhouse
sites.
This
side
does
sit
immediately
adjacent
to
the
park,
and
so
you
know
where
the
open
space
element
is
and
have
that
community
interacts
with
it.
There
there's
a
major
park
next
to
this
site
in
terms
of
the
drive
aisles
before
I.
Let
packet
two
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
state.
E
When
we
originally
started
with
this
project,
we
started
at
all
26
foot
internal
drive
aisles
and
we
worked
with
the
fire
department
to
reduce
them
down
to
23
feet
in
certain
areas,
specifically
where
the
street
runs
parallel
to
Lee,
highway
and
I
believe
along
the
North
Underwood
parallel,
because
again,
the
fire
department
requirements
can
be
met
from
the
street
at
that
point,
rather
than
needing
to
be
met
internally.
So
we
have.
We
have
worked
on
the
law
coverage
fairly
substantially
to
the
extent
we
can
within
the
parameters.
We
have
sure.
S
After
all,
I'll
address
that
so,
of
course,
there
is
and
everybody
approved,
and
it
would
want
more
open
space.
That's
what's
so
nice
about
this
is
where
we're
funding
a
park
which
provides
that
and
I
hate
to
keep
on
coming
back
to
this
and
I
think
you
know,
some
of
my
answers
will
Balai
what
my
expertise
is
is
more
finance
than
it
is
planning
and
in
close
proximity
to
a
metro
station.
H
A
A
A
A
H
A
H
Scrolling
there
thank
you
yeah,
that's
it
so
I'm,
looking
at
40
I'm,
looking
at
E,
2
and
E,
3
and
I
guess,
I,
just
don't
understand
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it's
a
problem!
I
just
don't
understand
what
is
the
thinking
between
the
between
removing
the
the
more
detailed
study
specifications
and
replacing
it
with
what
looks
like
a
much
more
general
condition
about
some
kind
of
survey.
A
H
H
T
The
standards
I
plan
condition
is
generally
geared
towards
multi-family
residential
buildings
and
is
also
a
study
that
is
done
by
the
county
itself
and
for
27
townhouse
units.
The
county
staff
does
not
feel
that
that
level
of
analysis
is
required
and
that
a
simple
survey
could
capture
the
data
that
we
would
want
from
such
a
type
of
development,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
this
condition
comes
from.
This
is
also
the
same
condition
that
was
used
in
the
last
town
house
house
site
plan
for
boston
oak.
A
Do
because
it
was
raised,
I
think
it's
important
and
what
I
wanted
to
ask
staff
about
the
concern
about
deliveries,
the
townhomes
fronting
on
Lee
highway?
What
is
staffs
response
to
the
community
to
those
concerns?
I
know
you
can't
control
where
FedEx
or
a
pizza
delivery
guys
gonna.
You
know
how
they're
gonna
do
that.
But
what's
your
response
to
those
concerns?
A
K
Again,
we
really
looked
at
the
at
the
area
plan
and
also
best
planning
practice
of
of
having
units
fronting
on
public
streets
rather
than
having
their
their
backs
or
or
privacy
fences,
or
something
along
along
that
nature
of
fronting
running
along
Lee,
Highway
and,
and
we
would
really
hope
that
delivery
vehicles
would
be
directed
to
the
interior
of
the
site.
For
deliveries.
Can
we
guarantee
that
that
will
always
happen?
K
I
can't
say
that
now
we
did
discuss
this
at
length
at
the
SPRC
process
and
we
noted
that
the
the
Tuckahoe
Park
townhomes,
which
are
one
block
to
the
east
of
here,
also
front
on
Lee
Highway.
That's
the
6600
block
of
Lee,
Highway
and
neighbors,
who
were
participating
in
the
SPRC
process,
didn't
have
any
knowledge
of
this
being
a
problem
for
those
townhouses
which
have
been
here
for
quite
a
long
time
would.
A
T
Private
signage
on
the
private
property
is
up
to
the
developer
and
the
homeowners
association
in
the
future
I
don't
think
there
will
be
any
mu,
TCD
signage,
located
along
the
Lee
Highway
frontage.
That
indicates
you
know
where
to
go
for
deliveries,
but
I
also
recall
during
the
spare
seat
process
that
the
applicant
is
gonna,
try
to
work,
I
think
with
the
postal
service
or
zoning
or
whoever
addresses
these
sites
to
possibly,
you
know,
get
nan
Lee
Highway
addresses
if
I
found
all
possible,
and
so
that
could
potentially
alleviate
some
of
those
concerns
as
well.
T
A
A
Sort
of
I
will
just
comment
here,
because
I'm
not
gonna
make
a
motion.
I
think
that
it's
a
reasonable
concern
from
the
community
and
I
think
that
we
ought
to
have
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
frankly
a
little
bit
more
to
offer
in
terms
of
what
we
might
do
if
it
were
to
become
a
problem.
How
we
manage
that
I
think
I
would
this
is
really
just
anecdotally
and
not
a
professional
opinion.
A
It's
only
my
opinion
that
to
the
speaker
who
spoke
of
that,
she
has
to
you
know
turn
out
the
irony
of
it
all
is
that
if
you
have
a
truck,
that's
parked
there
that
actually
creates
a
clear,
clear
aisle
for
you
I'm,
not
suggesting
that's
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
that
staff.
My
point
is
I
feel
that
as
we
continue
to
urbanize
and
we
do
have,
this
is
really
it's
not
a
entirely
special
case,
but
it
is
we've
got.
A
We
do
have
very
high
speed
traffic
here,
I
think
relatively
high
speeds
for
almost
anywhere
else
in
the
in
the
county.
Where
we
are,
we
are
urban
izing
and
adding
more
density
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
walkable,
but
it
is
very
fast
moving
traffic
and
I
think
we
have
to
reconcile
that
and
have
some
rational
thought
process
and
play
I'm,
not
disputing
and
I.
A
Think
it's
absolutely
the
right
thing
from
a
planning
perspective
that
we
would
want
the
front
doors
of
these
units
to
have
eyes
on
the
street
into
focus
and
in
the
long
run
as
as
Lee
highway
is
built
out,
as
these
Falls
Church
is
built
out.
That
will
help
to
calm
traffic,
but
to
get
from
where
we
are
to
where
we
want
to
be.
There
has
to
be
some
thought
to
that.
So
I
would
encourage
staff
to
to
consider
a
little
more
of
an
answer
to
that
question.
Anything
else
on.
Thank
you
anything
else.
L
So
pleased
that
we
are
working
with
the
urban
forester
to
find
a
way
to
try
to
protect
the
to
mature,
pin
oaks
in
the
park
with
the
madding
I
just
like
to
know
from
staff.
How
we'll
keep
track
of
this
to
know
if
it
worked,
so
we
could
recommend
it
in
the
future.
I
don't
really
want
to
make
a
motion.
I
don't
want
to
add
anything
to
the
conditions.
It
just
be
comforting
to
know
what
the
practice
is,
so
that
if
we
all
leave-
and
you
all
leave,
we
still
encourage
people
to
do
it.
L
K
K
L
That
I
wasn't
even
gonna,
raise
that,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
that
I
guess
I'm
thinking
more
long-term,
like
it'll,
be
great
if
we
know
that
this
works
and
if
it
ends
up
being
less
expensive,
certainly
removing
a
tree
and
getting
a
tree
to
that
size
takes
a
long
time.
It'd
be
great.
If
we
know
that
this
works,
it's
something
we
can
suggest
to
other
applicants
going
forward.
So
you
think
it's
just
efficient.
That
vincit
will
keep
this
in
the
back
of
his
mind
and
when
consulted
he'll
bring
it
forward.
I.
T
Mean
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
urban
forestry,
but
we
can
also
again
if
this
works-
and
this
becomes
kind
of
a
best
practice
look
into
developing
some
sort
of
specification
or
something
like
that.
That
is
available
kind
of
in
our
County's
standards
and
specs,
so
that
it's
a
diagram
that
would
be
you
know,
just
you
know,
available
for
any
landscape
architecture
or
whomever
that
is
submitting
a
plan
to
the
county.
So
we
can
look
at
the
incorporation
of
that
kind
of
into
the
future
and
work
with
Vincent
to
see.
A
K
E
So
in
I
think
we
are.
The
bond
is
designed
to
make
sure
that,
if
a
developer
fails
to
meet
their
obligation,
that
the
county
can
call
the
bond,
in
this
case,
there's
going
to
be,
and
in
some
cases
where
you
call
the
bond
it's,
because
the
developer
leaves
that
it
changes
hands.
Something
goes
awry
and
in
the
middle
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
this
is
a.
This
is
the
root.
Matting
is
a
condition
over
and
above
what
is
typically
required
for
off-site
trees
in
the
normal
situation,
a
developer.
E
If
they
had
to
trim
the
and
prune
the
root
zone
to
the
point
of
death,
they
would
simply
replace
it
at
the
rate
that
the
county
you
know
requires,
but
the
these
are
additions
to
what
we're
doing
here,
and
so
we
want
to
try
and
keep
them.
So
we
are
agreeing
to
the
room
adding
over
time,
though,
if
we,
if
it
does
die,
you
will
have
an
HOA
on
site.
E
You
will
have
you
know
the
developer
here
throughout
the
development
process,
for
these
six
sticks
of
townhomes
and
at
some
point
it
becomes
a
site
plan
violation
to
not
meet
that
obligation
of
either
replacing
them
in
the
park
or
paying
paying
into
the
tree
canopy
fund.
So
a
bond
is
sort
of
to
our
minds,
one
additional
step
in
addition
to
what
we've
already
gone.
Over
and
above
with.
O
Sort
of
googled
this
some
root
matting,
what
you're
calling
route
matting?
What
I
found
was
it's
wood
pieces
pieces
of
sawdust
or
wood
that
you
pack
around
the
root.
You
may
not
know
what
the
technology
is.
If
you
don't
that's
fine,
but
the
point
of
it
is
to
keep
the
soil
from
impacting
compacting.
So
the
roots
continue
to
draw
are
able
to
draw
nutrient
and
moisture
from
the
soil.
Is
that
about
right,
yeah.
E
That's
roughly
correct
from
my
understanding
as
well:
I
can't
say:
I've
done
much
more
than
googled.
It
myself,
but
I
think
the
the
other
thing
that
it
does
is
when
roots
begin
to
when
existing
roots
would
begin
to
wither
the
root
matting
provides
them.
Suspicions
says
sufficient
uncompacted
space
to
grow
additional
routes.
That
would
that
would
make
up
for
that.
Okay.
A
M
This
question
for
staff
I
know:
in
the
SPRC
process
there
were
sort
of
an
agreement
to
keep
the
sticks
of
townhomes
facing
Stewart
Stewart
Park
to
face
inward
and
have
the
rear
face
to
park.
My
question,
though,
is
about
the
East
Falls
Church
design
plan
guidance
regarding
kind
of
the
synthetic
materiality
facing
public
street
or
public
space,
so
I'm
wondering
if
staff
can
comment
about
the
hardy
wood
that
is
now
facing
Stewart
Park
I.
K
Think,
as
as
we
discussed
and
I
believe,
the
first
and
probably
the
second
SPRC
meeting,
as
has
initially
proposed
that
was,
was
vinyl
siding
that
was
proposed
and
through
the
SPRC
process,
I
I
feel
like
the
SPOC
became
comfortable
with
the
idea
of
the
hardiplank
siding
for
those
less
public
facing
streets.
Recognizing
that
the
the
park
is
is
a
public
space
but
less
visible
than
then
from
the
street.
So
I
think
staff
is
comfortable
with
the
with
the
hardiplank
along
they're,
also
recognizing
that
there
will
be
landscaping,
there's
the
retaining
wall.
M
Okay,
I
do
want
to
commend
the
applicant
for
its
work
to
respond
to
market
over
the
course
of
time.
This
is
I,
think
much
better
than
what
you
came
in
with
I.
Do
commend
you
for
taking
the
time
and
working
with
staff,
and
it
shows
so.
Thank
you
and
I
think
this
is
a
much
better
project
than
what
you
what
you
started
out
with
I
I
hope.
You
feel
that
way.
I
think
this
looks
good
good
better
than
what
you
did
start
with,
but
so
I
do
commend
you
for
it
for
the
effort
Thank
You.
I
Also
want
to
thank
you
for
the
changes
you
made.
You
clearly
did
listen
symmetrical
roof
lines
are
a
big
improvement
having
the
various
change
in
materials.
The
upgrades
they're
also
very
much
appreciated.
The
only
observation
I
have
is
that,
to
my
view,
these
are
essentially
generic.
They
could
be
anywhere
in
the
country.
Again,
it's
there's
still
good
quality,
but
they
are
that
generic.
Look,
your
own
sister
division
within
NV
are
your
urban
division
has
very
interesting
designs,
we're
looking
at
some
of
those
right.
Now
they
read
more
urban,
they
also
read
more
or
the
city.
I
They
really
wouldn't
fit
in
Minneapolis
or
or
Los
Angeles,
but
if
they
do
have
that
that
feel
so,
I
know
your
company
does
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to
do
this.
If
you
have
any
further,
your
division
has
any
further
projects
in
Arlington
I'd.
Encourage
you
to
look
within
your
own
organization
for
ideas,
other
more
ideas
that
might
be
more
context
for
this.
This
area,
okay,
Thank,
You,
Commissioner,.
A
O
O
There
were
two
points
that
were
made
by
miss
cheese
rone
on
behalf
of
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
I
attended
some
of
their
visioning
sessions
some
a
year
or
so
ago.
I
can't
place
exactly
what
it
was
and
they
are
anticipating
additional
work
with
funds
from
the
county
to
replan
lee
highway,
which
this
site
is
a
part
of,
and
she
she
says
we
request
that
you
consider
a
more
urban
model
similar
to
similar
to
the
unit's
NVR
is
developing
in
Boston.
O
Can
you
she
finds
that
the
models
that
you've
presented
are
something
you'd
find
in
Loudoun
County
not
and
we
are
urbanizing.
So
my
first
question
is
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
Boston
townhomes.
We
would
you
would
you
mind
describing
them
and
maybe
outlining
the
difference
between
those
and
these
and
why
you
chose
this
model
as
opposed
to
the
other
I.
S
Think
me
describing
architecture
is
probably
the
wrong
path
to
go
down,
but
we,
we
did
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
in
the
design
of
this
process
and
we
actually
hired
an
outside
architect
who,
unfortunately,
couldn't
be
here
this
evening,
and
he
gave
a
lot
of
thought
in
designing
the
facades
of
this
really
to
fit
in
with
a
context
of
what
we're
building
in
and
around
and
even
throughout
the
SPRC
process.
We've
heard
very,
very
different
opinions
on
what
architecture
people
would
want
on
the
site.
S
A
number
of
the
comments
were
really
asking
us
to
almost
match
brick
colors
or
be
closer
aligned
with
a
brick
colors
to
the
Fenwick
Association,
and
then
we
have
heard
the
comments
we
would
like
a
more
urban
fit
in
a
more
urban
look.
Our
thought
was
that
the
you
know
more
of
a
modern
twist
on
a
contemporary
townhouse
is
what
fits
with
this
area
right
now,
where
we
used
some
darker
colors
darker
window
trim,
but
kept
very
much.
You
know
kind
of
the
traditional
townhouse
look
of
a
contemporary
of
a
traditional
townhouse.
O
A
O
A
M
E
M
E
E
M
E
J
L
J
A
L
Will
definitely
support
that
amendment
I
really
appreciate
what
we've
learned
from
this
community
going
forward.
We
hear
a
lot
that
we're
losing
parking
and
it's
not
really
walkable,
but
this
neighborhood
really
is
a
little
bit
different
they're
cut
off
from
walking
to
grocery
stores
by
66
on
one
side
and
Lee.
Highway
is
very
wide
at
that
section.
L
So,
while
we
have
policies
in
place
in
the
county
to
encourage
walkability
and
riding
your
bike,
the
reality
is
that
particular
corner
of
the
county
is
very
difficult
to
walk
to
unless
you're
already
there
and
the
other
reality
is.
We
also
encourage
our
children
to
walk
to
school
here
in
Arlington
and
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
kids
are
crossing
Lee
Highway
right
there,
so
to
the
extent
that
we
can
be
proactive
and
think
about
ways
to
do
this.
T
Given
that
the
proposed
application
is
for
27
residential
units,
the
the
nexus
wasn't
there
to
ask
for
a
contribution
or
anything
of
that
nature.
I'd
also
like
to
add,
if,
if
the
ultimate
destination
for
people
walking
north
of
Lee
highway
across
Lee
Highway
is
the
metro
station
providing
a
crosswalk
just
on
Lee
Highway
isn't
going
to
cut
it
I
mean
then
they're
gonna
have
to
face
the
same
situation
at
Washington
Boulevard,
which
again
is
another
VDOT
right
of
way,
and
so
then
you
know
what
are
they
gonna
do
then?
T
Are
they
gonna
J,
walk
across
Washington,
Boulevard
or
walk
to
Sycamore
cross
legally
I
mean
there's,
there's
more
than
just
this
particular
intersection
to
look
at.
We
have
to
really
look
at
the
context
of
the
pedestrian
access
through
the
site.
Additionally,
it's
not
you
know
just
a
crosswalk.
It
would
likely.
You
know.
If
any
thing
were
to
be
at
this
intersection,
it
would
be
likely
a
rfb
signal
type
and
then
we'd
also
have
to
install
a
receiving
handicap
ramp
on
the
south
side
of
the
highway
on
the
frozen
property.
T
Ask
then,
just
you
know,
painting
across
walking
inside
installing
a
signal
type
of
thing,
and
so
at
this
time
there's
no
kind
of
plan
in
place
for
this
intersection,
but
it
is
one
that
we're
very
aware
of,
and
we
are
very
closely
watching
what's
going
on
with
the
the
Verizon
site
south
of
Lee
Highway,
because
we
we
hear
the
community's
concerns
and
we
understand
that
currently
there
is
an
informal
path
that
people
take
through
private
property
to
get
to
the
metro
station.
So
that's
where
we
stand
up.
Thank.
L
I
just
want
to
say,
Ms
Kim
was
extremely
helpful
throughout
this
process.
Trying
to
take
in
this
information
within
the
scope
of
what
the
project
called
for
I
wonder
what
kind
of
guidance
we
can
give
going
forward
to
staff,
since
this
does
seem
to
have
brought
to
light
a
bigger
issue
than
just
the
development
on
this
particular
piece
of
land
right.
A
A
I
am
I'm
not
suggesting
this
is
not
a
worthy
project.
I'm
not
I'm,
just
not
prepared
tonight
to
say
that
we
that
I
personally
understand
it
with
all
the
complexity
and
completeness
that
would
justify
making
that
recommendation
to
the
County,
Board
I
think
it's.
The
value
is
in
that
staff
has
heard
and
is
aware
that
crossing
here
is
happening
is
going
on
and
and
hopefully
in
the
larger
context,
as
things
build
out
will
be
done.
I
Actually,
I
can
concur
with
the
chair
on
this.
This
clearly
is
a
larger
problem
of
circulation
to
the
Metro
from
the
residential
areas.
That
does
need
to
be
thought
out
better
or
thought
out
more
more
systematically,
and
it
isn't
just
this
one
intersection.
That's
really
an
issue.
It's
it's
a
much
larger.
How
do
you
get
from
that
whole
area
safely
down
to
the
Metro,
so
I
I
think
the
law
of
unintended
consequences
makes
me
want
to
just
not
support
this
at
this
time.
I
A
Right
anyone
else
I
will
vote
on
this
amendment.
All
those
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
hand.
That's
three.
All
those
opposed
for
the
mission
fails
three
to
four,
but
certainly
appreciate
the
sentiment.
Absolutely
Commissioner,
Shelby.
Okay,
any
other
amendments
I
actually
have
one
I'll
offer,
which
is
I,
believe
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
County
Board
that
they
include
site
plan
conditions
for
a
bonding
of
the
two
trees
on
Charles
E,
Stewart
Park.
A
A
L
A
Think
that
I
will
let
staff
work
out
whatever
the
typical
bonding
arrangements.
Are
we
heard
testimony
that
that
weed
bond
trees
that
are
on
site
so
I
would
just
treat
these
like
on-site
trees,
and
it
has
to
be
some
reason
why
I
doubt
it's
gonna
be
ten
years
frankly
in
theory
they
could
die.
You
know,
I
do
realize
that
that
you
can
have
damage
that
takes
a
while
to
kill
the
tree.
A
So
there's
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
some
flexibility
there,
some
reasonable
amount
I
would
let
leave
it
to
staff
to
figure
that
out
I
think
we
give
the
sense
to
the
board
of
what
we're
what
our
intent
is.
Anyone
else
on
this
ok,
we'll
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
raise
your
hand,
opposed
abstain,
I'm.
H
A
O
O
Obviously,
applicant
came
in
with
a
with
a
plan
for
large
townhouse
homes
for
this
area,
and
my
concern
is
always,
as
I
saw
the
context
and
the
work
that
the
Lee
Highway
Alliance
has
been
doing.
I
saw
this
as
kind
of
not
exactly
what
I
would
wish
and
although
I
will
support
the
motion
I,
there
is
really
no
there's
nothing
that
I
find
disqualifying
about
the
process
you
the
plant.
The
proposal
obviously
is
fully
consistent
with
the
2011
area
plan.
I
I
do
worry
that
we
we
need
something.
O
We
need
different
sorts
of
developments
in
different
parts
of
the
county,
and
this
site
might
be
one
Lee,
Highway
Alliance
very
quickly.
Centrist
site
could
have
been
a
high-value,
transit,
oriented,
mixed-use
development,
producing
more
metro
users,
Park
users
and
less
traffic,
perhaps
including
the
small
urban
food
market,
that
the
community
has
actually
expressed
an
interest
in.
So
that
is
the
community's
fault.
I
guess.
O
If
there
was
anybody
to
blame
and
had
they
been
quicker
to
sort
of
come
together
and
create
more
specifics
in
the
plan
to
Telegraph
that
kind
of
interest,
then
maybe
we
would
have
seen
it,
but
that
that
isn't
your
fault,
so
I
will
support
the
motion,
but
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
because
we
are
anticipating
more
work
with
on
Lee
Highway
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record,
expressing
some
disappointment
that
we
are
here.
Although
it's
a
lovely
development,
all.
A
Right,
any
others,
I
will
offer
a
few
comments
more
or
less
in
line
with
with
you,
mr.
Seagal
I
think
you
know
for
the
applicant.
This
is
by
all
measures,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
way
that
we
have
historically
looked
at
these
townhome
kind
of
projects.
It's
a
perfectly
fine
nice
plan,
but
I
actually
think
that
we
are
moving
rapidly
in
a
different
direction
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
not
about
is
this.
Is
this
consistent
with
the
false
church
area
plan?
It's
more.
The
question
is
well.
What
else
is
consistent
with
with
the
plan?
A
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
the
county
and
I
will
support
this
motion,
not
because
I
love
this
project,
but
because
I
think
that
you've
played
by
the
rules
and
you've
been
by
all
counts,
very
cooperative,
worked
with
the
community
through
the
process,
and
that
does
get
you
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
think
you
know,
you've
invested
quite
a
bit
of
money.
A
A
If
you
read
it
on
oral
now
that
that
you
would
not
have
the
opportunity
to
be
involved
on
something
that's
happening
literally
right
across
the
street
from
your
house.
That's
a
that's
a
systemic
failure
that
has
really
no
one
to
blame.
But
it's
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
try
to
address
that
in
some
way.
Moving
forward,
that's
how
we're
gonna
get
to
the
best
possible
projects
and
where
we,
where
we,
where
we
end
up
right,
where
we
end
up
where
everybody
is
able
to
to
hopefully
get
behind
it.
Thank
You,
commissioner,
we're.
H
A
All
right,
any
others,
okay
I,
think
we're
prepared
to
vote
on
the
main
motion.
That's
in
front
of
us,
as
amended
and
I
do
want
to
say
it
congratulate
Commissioner
Shelby
on
her
first
site
plan
project,
bringing
it
through
the
process.
Thank
you.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
as
amended.
Please
raise
your
hand
all
right
carries
unanimously
and
thanks
to
the
applicants
and
do
very
much
appreciate
your
being
very
cooperative
throughout
the
process.
Thank
you
anything
to
the
neighbors
who
came
out.
Thank.
A
G
G
B
A
O
O
You
noticed
that
everybody
did
get
a
copy
of
the
final
submittals
as
of
November.
9Th
2017
I
have
not
been
asked
to
assign
anyone,
so
I
think
we're
full
I
would
just
say
that
Commissioner
Len
tell
me
we'll
be
working
with
Commissioner
yeah
Kamini
on
Virginia
Hospital
Center.
So
you
may
want
to
add
that
and
I'm
actually
working
with
Commissioner
Gearin.
O
O
O
A
Think
I
mean
whether
or
not
it's
a
main
topic
of
conversation,
I
think
we'll
have
to
see,
but
I
certainly
think
it
will
be
discussed
in
some
form
or
another,
because
it's
a
major
part
of
what
we're
working
on
to
try
to,
for
lack
of
a
better
word
to
modernize
the
Planning
Commission
right
and
to
follow
through
on
the
previous
commitments
to
update
the
the
process
and
the
operating
guide.
So.
O
You
can
see,
there's
there's
still
some
vagueness
surrounding
what
we're
doing
in,
but
that
it
will
all
become
clear
and
everybody
will
have
a
chance
to
read
it
and
comment
it
on
comment
on
it.
So
I
wanted
to
just
mention
that
really
is
ongoing,
yet
to
be
shaped.
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
else.
Okay,.
M
Mr.
chairman,
so
we
had
our
kickoff
meeting
for
Reed
school
for
a
new
elementary
school
at
Reed
school
on
October
25th.
It
was
a
joint
PF,
RC
B
LPC
meeting.
We
have
a
meeting
next
week,
Wednesday
November
15th
it'll
be
at
Reed
school
start
seven
o'clock
I'll
be
up
here
for
C
and
then
we're
still
trying
to
plan
the
next
joint
meeting
to
try
to
get
through
concept
design.
M
M
Arlington
County
Board
and
the
school
board
are
creating
a
working
group
to
plan
the
new
school
for
career
site.
It's
a
career
center
site,
and
so
the
Parc
has
been
asked
to
nominate
a
few
people
for
the
boards
to
jointly
nominate
jointly
appoint,
as
as
the
Planning
Commission.
So
on
behalf
of
the
Planning
Commission
chairman
has
asked
that
I
kind
of
coordinate
both
efforts,
I've
reached
out
to
several
of
you,
Commissioner
Shelby
and
Commissioner
McSweeney,
and
also
Commissioner
gear,
and
have
agreed
for
PC
to
be
the
representatives.
M
A
Great
and
I
think
that
the
other
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
it's
it's
really,
it's
not
just
to
school.
It's
a
campus
right
and
I
think
we're
looking
there's
a
lot
still
to
come
on
exactly
what
the
scope
is.
Gonna
be
I
know
the
two
boards
had
ironed
out
a
charge
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
adopted
very
soon
when
they
meet
yeah.
So
so
they'll
have
the
charge
that's
coming
out,
but
it
really
is
it's
it's
a
fantastic
opportunity.
A
So
for
those
of
you
that
are
able
to
work
on
it
and
obviously
the
Commission,
you
know
we
will
have
a
representative
and
actually
kind
of
to
through
the
pfr,
see
that
that
goes.
You
know
that'll
go
to
all
of
the
meetings,
but
certainly
the
Commission
is
going
to
have
a
major
role
to
play.
There's
a
huge
opportunity
to
really
look
at
how
we
can
co-locate
uses
get
very
creative,
it's
a
very
large
site,
but
it's
also
very
complicated.
There's
a
lot
of
phasing
that
would
have
to
be
do
there's.
A
You
know
existing
uses
on
the
site
that
have
to
be
accommodated
and
arranged
for
there's
a
a
time
crunch
in
terms
of
a
need
for
a
specific
number
of
seats
by
a
date,
certain
where
have
I
heard
that
before
so,
it's
gonna
be
a
great
opportunity
for
it.
For
those
of
you
who
have
the
app
who
can
participate,
alright,
there's
no
form
based
code.
All
reports,
since
mr.
Hughes
is
not
here
so
staff.
Do
you
have
any
report
chef
you
all
right,
you
don't
get
anything
for
us.
You
come
and
sit
all
evening.
A
So
the
chairs
report
is
as
a
reminder,
I,
don't
think
we
sent
out
an
official
meaning
notice
yet,
but
we
are
doing
a
joint
meeting
with
the
Economic
Development
Commission
on
the
evening
of
November
30th.
So
please
make
sure
that's
on
your
calendars,
it'll
be
over
at
the
AED
offices.
So
if
you've
never
been
on
the
15th
floor
of
the
CACI
building
over
in
Ballston
and
will
provide
directions
to
get
there
and
everything
but
it'll
be
over
there.
A
For
those
of
us
that
have
been
on
the
Commission
for
a
while
I
think,
particularly
Krishna,
Segal
and
I
are
sort
of
partners
in
crime
on
this.
You
know
that,
for
the
whole
time
that
I've
been
on
the
Commission,
this
juxtaposition
of
economic
development
and
planning
has
been
has
been
yeah
and
in
it
sometimes
clash.
I
think
it's
been
less
of
a
clash
of
late
and
and
when
I
first
arrived
on
the
Commission
it
was,
there
was
a
lot
of
clash,
and
so
the
whole
point
is
to
set.
A
A
All
right
and
and
that's
also
for
those
that
are
new
and
the
Commission.
That's
when
we
will
elect
our
chair
for
next
year
and
we'll
also
go
through,
and
we
do
the
the
the
the
round
robin
signup
of
liaisons
to
all
the
various
commissions.
And
you
will
circulate
that
mr.
Johnson
right
to
all
of
us,
so
that
everybody
can
see
what
those
different
liaisons
are.
A
A
A
C
H
I
am
very
earnestly
but
probably
very
naively,
interested
subject
to
the
interests
of
my
senior
commissioners
in
the
economic
development
liaison
and
I
mentioned
this
because
of
that
work
session.
There's
another
Commission,
that's
also
meeting
that
night
on
which
I
happen
to
serve.
So
you
know
whether
or
not
the
delays
on
thing
will
work
out,
I'm
still
really
interested
in
that
work
session
and
welcome
any
advice
now
or
offline
on
how
it
managed
both
of
those
Commission's
are
both
of
those
meetings.
Sure.
A
All
right,
I
think
that's
it
for
for
tonight.
So
we'll
see
ya
and
that's
we'll
see
everybody
on
I'm
gonna,
oh
I
know
what
it
was
that
almost
went
through
my
head,
I
can't
make
the
board
meeting
on
on
this
month,
so
I
had
I
had
signed
up.
This
was
a
this
was
a
double
dip
for
me
anyway.
I
only
signed
up
because
Giselle
wouldn't
stop
bothering
me
about
it.
So
so
we
need
some
volunteers.
You.
A
Let's
just
say,
post
November
seventh
trip
family
family
trip,
knowing
that
there
will
be
much
much
less
opportunity
for
family
travel
coming
up
in
the
near
future.
So
so
I
appreciate
the
support
of
my
fellow
commissioners
and
I.
Think
with
with
these,
you
know,
we've
had
four
nights
and
what
is
it
eight
items
or
whatever?
A
We
can
so
what
we
can
usually
do
is
reach
out
to
hope
the
clerk
of
the
board,
and
once
the
agenda
said-
and
she
has
a
pretty
good
idea
of
how
things
will
move
along.
It's
always,
you
know
she
can
tell
you,
you
know
that'll
probably
be
the
afternoon
or
not
or
its
first
thing
in
the
morning.
You
know,
there's
always
still
yeah.
Sometimes
things
just
like
with
us
right
things
that
you
think
would
go
pretty
quick
can
sometimes
take
longer,
but
she
can
she
can
give
a
general
sense
of
what
to
expect
do.
A
M
A
H
A
H
H
U
N
A
And
I
will
be
back
by
then
so
actually
so
fit
so
whatever
goes
to
the
recessed
I
actually
could
do
so.
It's
really
just
the
Saturday.
The
18th
is
what
we're
like.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
get
from
I
hope
what's
on
that
Saturday
agenda,
and
then
we
can
figure
out
who's
already
gonna,
be
there
and
we'll
cover
it.
Alright,
thanks
for
all
right
all
right,
thank
you
very
much
see
you
Monday.