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B
All
right
well
good
evening
welcome
everyone
to
the
June
2017
Arlington
County,
Planning
Commission,
public
hearings.
We
have
three
items
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
It
is
our
intent.
My
intent
is
the
chair
that
we
would
get
through
all
three
of
these
items,
plus
our
organizational
business
tonight.
B
However,
if
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
be
running
past
11:00
p.m.
that
is
our
cutoff,
then
it
is
possible
that
we
may
carry
over
the
third
item
on
our
agenda,
which
would
be
the
Rosslyn
streetscape
elements
plan
that
we
would
carry
that
over
until
Wednesday
evening,
so
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
move
expeditiously
but
but
thoroughly
through
all
of
our
agenda
and
hopefully
get
through
all
of
these
items
this
evening.
If
anyone
that
is
here
to
speak
for
an
item,
please
make
sure
that
you
have
your
speaker.
B
Slips
turned
in
to
our
clerk
over
here.
To
my
right
before
that
item
is
called
I
would
like
to
remind
everyone
that
we
are
being
broadcast
and
recorded
with
video
and
audio.
So
accordingly,
all
speakers
must
use
a
microphone
and
now
is
also
a
great
time
to
silence.
All
of
your
personal
electronics,
and
also
please
keep
them
away
from
any
of
the
microphones
because
they
can
cause
interference.
A
C
Good
evening,
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
the
Williamsburg
Civic
Association
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
updating
their
neighborhood
conservation
plan.
First
done
in
2000
they've
completed
all
the
necessary
steps
to
get
to
this
point,
including
conducting
a
survey
writing
the
plan
document
and
presenting
it
to
the
Civic
Association
and
getting
full
support
for
it
and
also
presenting
it
NCAC,
which
they
did
last
month.
Jonathan
Devine,
who
is
the
neighbor
conservation
advisory
committee
representative
for
the
Williamsburg
Civic
Association,
will
give
you
a
brief
presentation
on
their
planning
process.
I.
D
Thank
you
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
My
name
is
jonathan
levine,
I'm
the
NC
rep
for
the
williamsburg,
Civic,
Association
and
I
know.
You've
got
a
lot
to
go
over
tonight,
so
I
will
try
to
be
efficient
with
my
time,
so
the
Williamsburg
Civic
Association,
we're
very
proud
of
being
here
tonight.
We
were
proud
of
what
we've
accomplished.
This
has
been
more
than
a
two-year
process
for
us
in
in
putting
this
plan
together
and
row,
and
we
were
very,
we
are
very
proud
of
it.
D
Our
original
plan
was
adopted
in
2000,
so
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
to
revising
our
plan.
We
sent
our
surveys
out
back
in
2015
and
we
spent
months
just
drafting
that
survey
and
we
were
happy
with
the
responses
that
we
got
back.
It
was
about
18
percent
response
rate
that
we
got
back,
which
is
for
an
NC
plan,
is
actually
pretty
good.
We've
got
1,100
households
in
the
NC,
so
we
were
happy
with
our
response
rate.
We
sent
it
out.
D
We
did
a
survey
monkey
and
we
also
we
hand-delivered
physical,
copies
to
all
the
to
all
the
households.
We
spent
a
long
time
gathering
the
data
collecting
the
data
and
trying
to
collate
the
data,
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
with.
We
did
a
lot
of
open-ended
questions
in
our
survey
and
the
reason
why
we
did.
That
was
because
we
really
wanted
to
hear
what
people
had
to
say
that
took
a
lot
of
extra
time
and
trying
to
you
know
encapsulate
that.
But
but
we
were
glad
that
we
went
that
route.
D
It
was
extra
work,
but
I
think
it
was
worth
it.
You
had
the
time
line
in
front
of
you.
The
initial
presentation
of
the
draft
was
this
past
December
and
we
had
some
common
period
back
and
forth
with
the
residents
and
we
were
able
to
unanimously
approve
our
plan
in
February.
We
went
we
submitted
to
the
staff
shortly
thereafter
and
then
this
last
month
in
May
we
were
able
to
present
it
to
the
whole
ncac
and
we
received
its
recommendation
for
approval.
D
So
now
we're
here
before
you
so
a
little
bit
about
the
Williamsburg
Civic
Association.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
we
are
sort
of
in
the
upper
northwest
part
of
the
county,
where
Falls,
Church
and
MacLean
and
Arlington
all
come
together.
We
are
boarded
by
Trinidad,
Street,
North,
35th
and
26th
Street
and
part
of
Sycamore
Street.
D
Our
defining
feature
would
be
the
Williamsburg
Circle
and
minor
Hill,
which
goes
up
onto
Politan
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
been
up
there,
but
if
it's
it
either
the
second
or
the
in
the
highest
point
in
Arlington
County.
It
is
a
very
nice
nice
spot,
there's
also
water
reservoir.
There
Williamsburg
has
a
very
rich
history
dating
back
to
you,
know
Native
American
times
when
the
it
used
to
be
a
trading
route,
Little
Falls
in
Williamsburg,
where
trading
routes
that
changed
when
the
Europeans
came
over
and
the
road
became
I.
D
D
D
D
As
far
as
institutions
go,
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
have
that
many.
We
are
mainly
single-family
homes,
but
we
do
have
some
recreation,
as
I
mentioned,
minor
Hill
and
sharp
Park
education-wise,
the
only
school.
That's
actually
in
our
Civic
Association
is
nottingham
elementary
school,
but
we
do
feed
into
williamsburg
middle
school,
Bishop
O'connell
and
in
Discovery
elementary
school
little
religious.
We
have
Little
Falls
Presbyterian
Church
and
we
have
no
government
facilities.
D
For
our
neighborhood
goals
in
recommendations
they
it
can
really
be
boiled
down
to
to
a
certain
few
things.
The
residents
of
Williamsburg
are
very
happy
with
how
things
are
and
generally
would
like
to
things
to.
I
would
say
stay
the
same,
but
recognizing
that
time
is
moving
on.
Things
are
developing
and
we
have
to
be
consistent
with
with
the
needs
of
the
residents
generally
high
opinions
of
county
services,
no
real
complaints,
infrastructure
again,
really
no
issues.
D
Yes,
we
have
some
cracked
sidewalks.
Yes,
we
have
some
power
lines
that
could
be
maintained
a
little
better,
but
these
were
these
were
not
major
issues
for
people,
schools,
very
high
level
of
satisfaction
with
the
public
schools,
a
issue
with
a
quality
of
life
issues
with
Bishop
O'connell,
not
related
to
not
different
than
any
other
neighborhood
that
would
have
with
with
a
high
school
environment,
so
really
very
high
marks
for
land
use
and
zoning
again.
D
D
That's
coming
in
that
there
are
houses
that
people
want
and,
and
that
are
being
built
and
just
the
general
push
and
pull
between
the
needs
and
wants
of
new
people
coming
in
or
current
residents
who
want
a
larger
home
and
some
of
the
other
goals
of
maintaining
the
tree,
canopy
green
space
and
sort
of
a
you
know,
harmony
of
aesthetics,
but
again,
for
the
most
part,
very,
very
high
high
marks
for
our
parks.
We
only
have
a
couple
of
parks.
D
We
have
a
park,
but
where
the
county
is
we're
sort
of
discouraged
from
using
it,
because
we
don't
want
to
attract
a
lot
of
people
where,
though,
where
the
water
storage
tanks
are,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
can't
be
beautified
I,
don't
know.
If
have
you
ever
been
there?
Three
years
ago,
there
used
to
be
tennis
courts.
D
Those
are
those
are
gone
and
it's
kind
of
kind
of
ratty.
Looking
there's
some
sparse
trees,
it's
just
not
a
real
inviting
place,
but
it
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
take
care
of
and
it
ties
down.
It
goes
down
a
hill
to
sharp
park,
which
is
also
has
a
potential
being
very
beautiful,
but
it's
kind
of
overgrown,
there's
a
lot
of
bases
and
it's
right
next
to
this,
to
the
Williamsburg
circle
and
which
is
a
high-traffic
area,
and
it's
just
not
very
easy
to
get
to
it
from
the
park.
D
So
you
know
we
would
really
like
to
take
care
of
that
and
make
it
a
more
inviting
place.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
discussed
is
the
possibility
of
maybe
getting
a
bike
share.
Their
water
fountain,
some
kind
of
ornamental
fencing
benches,
our
commercial
establishments
again
gets
get
very
high
marks.
We
tend
to
have
the
things
that
we
need
in
our
two
little
strip
malls
that
are
across
the
circle.
From
each
other,
we've
got
a
bank
we've
got
a
dry,
cleaner
we've
got
frozen,
yogurt
we've
got
a
convenience
stores.
D
Really
there
wasn't
anything
that
needs
to
be
changed.
There
is
desire
for
maybe
a
coffee
shop
or
a
bakery,
but
you
know
our
the
issues.
There
was
me
discussing
with
the
landlords
what
the
neighbors,
what
the
residents
interests
are.
Maybe
they
can
possibly
attract
somebody.
That's
we
in
the
NC
plan
that
we
actually
submitted
there's
a
picture
of
an
electronic
Wallach.
A
water
vaping
store
that
this
sort
of
you
know
is
a
little.
D
D
D
Neighborhood
Arlington,
neighborhood
villages
is
a
topic,
that's
very
interesting
to
our
residents,
something
we'd
like
to
learn
more
of
and
and
hopefully
bring
some
of
that.
Also
what
you
know:
walkability
working
with
the
county
on
improving
compliance
with
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
and
things
of
that
nature.
D
Katty
fika
good,
a
major
concerns,
yeah,
okay,
so
try
to
boil
the
major
concerns
down
to
three
issues.
Traffic
and
pedestrian
safety
would
be
the
number
one
issue
that
that
came
up
in
our
survey
results
and-
and
it's
not
surprising-
we
had
a
tragedy
a
few
years
ago
with
a
mother
of
young
children
who
was
killed
outside
of
nottingham
elementary
school
and
it
affected
a
lot
of
people
and
it
ray.
You
know,
really
raised
the
issue
of
traffic
and
pedestrian
safety
to
the
forefront
and
it's
something
that
we
would
like
more
done.
D
D
Why
I
said
we
wouldn't
be
here
long,
so
one
thing
that
we
did
with
our
recommendations
was
recommendations
not
just
to
the
county
or
into
the
staff
the
things
that
we
want,
the
county
board
and
staff
to
be,
but
also
things
that
the
Civic
Association.
What
can
we
do
as
well
and
because
it
was,
it
was
important
that
this
document,
you
know,
look
inward
as
well
and
so
go
through
the
recommendations.
I
want.
D
You
know,
I'll
highlight
both,
but
I
I
want
to
highlight
a
lot
of
where
we're
saying
you
know
things
that
we
need
to
do
as
a
community
starting
out
for
the
land
use
and
housing.
We
did
discuss
modifying
the
zoning
ordinance
to
require
development
developers
to
consult
with
civic
associations
of
buy-rite
construction,
including
issues
such
as
maintenance
of
mature
trees
on
site
and
other
impacts
of
construction
and
initiate
new
procedures
for
notifying
Jason
neighbors
of
by
right
development.
D
D
Re-Examining
the
county
subdivision,
ordinance
on
access
requirements
for
pipe
stem
and
infill
development
and
a
minimum
Street
coverage
to
ensure
property
values
of
nearby
homes
are
not
adversely
affected.
We
examined
the
county,
Zordon
Sonne
ordinance
for
residential
zones
in
terms
of
lot
coverage
for
buildings,
including
decks
and
detached
structures.
Balancing
the
goal
of
preserving
open
spaces
with
the
need
to
create
housing
responsive
to
consumer
needs
out
of
what
the
high
land
values
in
this
part
of
North
Arlington,
and
improve
the
procedures
for
notifying
the
civic
associations
and
computer
community
residents
about
variance
applications
for
infrastructure.
D
We'd,
like
the
the
Civic
Association,
needs
to
follow
up
with
the
county
more
to
ensure
timely
inspection
of
repair
because
we're
the
ones
who
are
going
to
see.
If
there's
a
problem
with
the
infrastructure,
we
need
to
do
our
part
in
notifying
the
county
and
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
provide
specific
guidance
to
our
residents
about
how
they
can
report.
D
We
would
like
the
county
to
meet
more
closely
with
utility
and
communication
companies
to
design
guidelines
to
prevent
sort
of
the
chronic
issues
that
come
up.
You
get
a
lot
of
finger-pointing
and
a
lot
of
well,
that's
not
my
line,
that's
not
my
Pole
and
just
some
way
to
to
coordinate
that
with
that
better,
and
we
would
like
the
county
to
devote
more
resources
to
the
maintenance
of
County
on
street
trees
and
the
medians
or
along
sidewalks.
Again.
The
tree
canopy
was
very
important
to
us
recommendations
for
our
schools.
D
African
pedestrian
safety
was
the
big
one
at
Nottingham
for
even
though
Tuckahoe
Elementary
School
is
not
in
our
Civic
Association.
It's
right.
It
is
right
on
the
border
and
our
residents
use
it
and
there's
a
lot
of
spillover
in
terms
of
the
use
and
just
to
coordinate
with
all
the
stakeholders.
The
Civic
Association
East
Falls
Church
Civic
Association,
to
meet
about
the
recreational
use
of
Takoma
Park
for
the
Williamsburg
middle
school
again,
not
in
our
Pacific
Association,
but
because
we
feed
into
it.
We
got
a
lot
of
feedback
regarding
having
better
landscaping
and
I.
D
Think
that
really
has
to
do
with
the
all
the
trailers
that
are
there
and
continuing
working
with
the
Williamsburg
Lights
group.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
one
issue
did
come
up
with
Bishop
O'connell
and
there's
an
ad-hoc
group.
That's
working
on
what
we
call
quality
of
life
issues
associated
with
the
school
and
to
continue
the
work
of
the
ad
hoc
group
and
to
continue
to
work
with
Bishop
O'connell.
We
are,
we
are
neighbors
and
we
want
to
work
together
and
be
and
be
good
neighbors
to
each
other.
B
D
Already
discussed
earlier
about
what
we'd
like
to
do
with
the
with
the
parks
and
the
commercial
establishments
for
the
for
the
parks
I,
what
I
didn't
met
the
Williamsburg
circle.
It's
not
technically
a
park,
but
in
there
are
things
that
I
think
that
we
can
do
there.
Others
mentioned
about
the
birch
pain
Cemetery,
which
is
a
family
owned
Cemetery,
and
this
is
something
that
was
that's
part
of
our
hopes
and
dreams
that
maybe
one
day
there
do
something
with
beautification
of
it.
D
But
you
know
we
realize
that
there
are
it's
not
it's
not
on
anybody's
agenda
right
now.
This
is
just
something
that
may
be
down
the
road
and
we
wanted
to
have
it
in
the
NC
plan
in
the
event
that
you
know
who
knows
ten
years
from
now,
there
is
an
opportunity
to
do
something
and
we
wanted
to
neighborhoods
desires,
to
be
known
on
that
and
I.
B
Thank
you,
Miss
Brown
Henry.
Did
you
have
a
staff
presentation
now?
Okay,
are
there
any
public
speakers
one?
We
have
one
public
speaker.
Thank
you.
If
you
don't
mind
sticking
around,
we
may
have
some
questions
for
you.
Thank
you
for
the
for
the
presentation
very
thorough
job,
both
in
the
NC
plan
and
in
the
presentation.
Mr.
Harris.
F
F
Williamsburg
is
another
neighborhood
on
Arlington's
border
Williamsburg
was
planned
to
be
a
suburban
neighborhood
of
single-family
homes
with
streets,
sidewalks,
schools,
wastewater
and
storm
water
infrastructure
designed
for
low
density,
neighborhoods
of
single-family
homes
like
four
mile
run,
Valley
Cherrington,
Claremont,
Glen,
Carlin,
Carlin,
Springs,
Roslyn,
Arlington
Ridge
and
several
other
neighborhoods
border
neighborhoods.
Our
neighborhoods
were
not
designed
to
be
repurposed
to
be
satellite
public
infrastructure
for
urbanized,
residential
neighborhoods
and.
F
Residential
neighborhoods,
designed
in
the
future
for
Smart
Growth
redevelopment
regarding
housing,
little
or
no
affordable
housing
is
being
constructed
for
under
40%
of
area
median
income
or
about
$45,000
a
year
through
a
if
my
neighbors
in
Farrington
are
concern
that
townhouses
in
my
neighborhood
will
be
repurposed
with
affordable.
Although
illegal
basement
apartments,
other
neighborhoods
of
single
family
homes
are
concerned
that
homes
will
be
repurposed
into
two
to
four
unit
apartment
buildings,
McMansions,
for
example,
which
would
greatly
benefit
residential
renovation
developers.
F
Mr.
Getchell
know
any
of
those
to
the
detriment
of
our
neighborhoods
quality
of
life
regarding
parks,
recreation
and
open
space.
You
should
be
aware
that
the
city
of
Alexandria
has
been
ordered
to
spend
hundreds
of
millions
to
upgrade
its
wastewater
treatment.
Fairfax
county
residents
recently
voted
to
oppose
implementation
of
Emile's
tax,
so
it's
unlikely
that
you're
either
jurisdiction
will
be
spending
any
money
anytime
soon
for
additional
parks,
recreation,
sports,
open
space
infrastructure.
F
G
Thank
You
commissioner
gosh
wise
to
one
the
first
point
to
staff
and
then
a
question.
The
follow-up
I
know
throughout
the
plan.
North
Arlington
continues
to
be
capitalized
and
then
non
capitalized,
so
it
moves
from
a
proper
place
to
a
direction
and
since
we
all
play
or
pay
our
taxes
to
Arlington,
it
always
draws
my
attention
when
I
see
that
your
comment
doesn't
address.
G
G
G
What
thoughts
thoughts,
staff's
response
was
counted
study
lot
coverage
several
years
ago.
Any
additional
reexamination
of
law
coverage
is
not
part
of
the
zoning
ordinance
amendments
work
plan.
It
does
nothing
to
respectfully
address
whether
the
high
land
values
in
this
part
of
North
Arlington
has
something
to
do
with
LOC
coverage.
H
H
Were
and
the
is
so,
each
department
that
has
a
question
that
relates
to
them
has
to
provide
us
a
response,
not
they're
not
required
to
what
they
usually
respond
to
most
of
the
recommendations,
so
it
goes
throughout
the
county
and
those
staff
that
are
experts
in
that
area
will
provide
us
responses.
Okay,.
B
I
So
it
might
be
useful
if
you,
if
you
were
to
just
look
at
what
the
work,
the
work
that
was
done
several
years
ago
and
to
see
if,
if
incremental
II,
you
might
want
to
suggest
another
revision,
I'm
sure
that
would
take
a
while,
but
it
is
responsive,
I
think
this
is
kind
of
more
responsive
to
what
you
are
looking
for.
Some
some
substance
on
the
on
the
issue,
so
that
was
my
follow
up
there.
I
So
I'll
jump
to
parks,
and
here
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
a
very
orderly
presentation
of
issues,
part
of
the
county,
I,
don't
I'm
all
the
way
in
the
south
part
of
the
county,
I,
don't
know
as
well
as
my
own
neighborhood,
and
it
really
is
very
useful
to
get
that
sort
of
detailed
information
about
the
mood
and
issues
for
another
neighborhood.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
that
and
compliment
you
on
all
the
work,
because
I
know
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
that
goes
into
this
and
I
guess.
I
My
suggestion
may
invite
you
to
do
more
work,
but
it's
probably
probably
be
worthwhile
and
I
wanted
to
suggest
that,
in
terms
of
the
the
two
parks
there,
we,
as
you
know,
we're
redoing
the
public
spaces
master
plan.
There
will
be
a
chance
for
the
public
to
weigh
in
on
the
draft
that
we're
now
looking
at
working
group
is
looking
at
in
I
believe
July.
There
will
be
a
number
of
opportunities
and
I
strongly
suggest
that
you
you
look
at
the
the
draft.
It's
extremely
well
written.
It's
very
well
researched.
I
I
will
just
tell
you
we're
struggling
now
with
how
to
place
value
on
open
space.
That
is
not
programmed
what
people
sometimes
in
a
shortcut
way
refer
to
as
active
use
and
seems
to
me.
These
two
parks
that
you
talked
about
are
are
good
cases
in
point
for
how
how
would
you
upgrade
through
a
maintenance
program
that
does
not
necessarily
put
more
stuff
on
the
park
but
makes
it
more
inviting
for
people
to
sit,
read
talk,
walk
and
kind
of
gather
and
meet
each
other?
So
that's
one
suggestion
the
other
is.
I
There
are
programs
that
work
through
sort
of
County
neighborhood
efforts,
joint
efforts
on
invasive
plants?
Are
you
familiar
with
with
those
Sara
Archer?
Is
the
person
she's
the
point
person
it?
It
does
I'm
aware
of
Haley
Park
in
my
neighborhood
every
month,
though
they
will
go
in,
citizens
will
go
in
and
pull
out,
take
ivy
off
trees
and
do
things
like
that.
That's
another
way,
it's
really
hard
for
Parks
Department
to
take
care
of
all
of
the
open,
safe
Arlington
does
have
a
lot
of
open
space
actually
and
you'll,
see
that
reflected
in
pops.
I
So
there's
some
citizen
participation,
that's
required
and
there's
there
are
free
trees
available
under
the
Chesapeake
Bay
Program
there's
and
there
are
lots
of
trees.
Now
I'm
told
that
that
could
be
planted,
and
the
one
final
thing
I'd
like
to
suggest
is
something
that
I've
been
thinking
about
through
my
work
on
the
Pops,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
maintenance
that
is
provided
through
DPR
often
I
think
what
is
favored
is
big
installations-
big
infrastructure
rather
than
that
sort
of
day-to-day
gardening
tree
watering
and
things
like
that.
I
J
A
follow-up
to
Commissioner
Siegel's
thoughtful
comments
about
the
park
process.
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I've
already
brought
to
the
attention
of
Jim
Feaster,
who
represents
NC
on
the
Pops
planning
process,
your
new
plan
and
the
the
references
to
the
parks
in
it
so
that
he
should
be
in
contact
with
you
too.
I
have
some
questions
about
the
safety
issues
with
transportation.
Let's.
K
Thank
You
Commissioner
of
seagull.
A
lot
of
the
points
you
raised.
I
was
thinking
about
too
so
I
don't
have
to
get
into
all
of
that
sort
of
thing.
I
think
that
your
ideas
for
the
parks
are
very
good.
I
was
wondering
whether
talking
to
staff
did
these
answers
actually
come
from
parks
and
recreation
because
that
they
sort
of
just
we
don't
have
any
plans
for
talk
to
urban
forester.
H
It
did,
and-
and
so
they
they
provided,
the
response
that
you
see
there
and
what
we
like
to
think
with
these
recommendations,
too,
is
that
they
are
part
of
an
ongoing
dialogue
that
will
take
place
for
a
while
between
the
county
and
the
neighborhood
and
I
just
want
to
address
the
the
pops
study.
We're
planning-
hopefully
maybe
in
July-
to
have
someone
come
and
do
a
presentation
to
the
NCA
C
so
that
they
have
an
opportunity
to
see
the
plan.
K
Because
all
the
more
reason
for
what
Commissioner
Siegel
said
really
have
to
look
at
that
those
ongoing
plans
start
getting
your
your
words
in
there
start
attending
is,
if
you
want
anything
to
happen
to
those
parks,
you
got
to
get
into
the
process
because
I
agree,
those
parts
look
like
they
can
use
a
little
more
loving.
They
are
an
amenity
that
you
know
it's
a
chicken-egg
thing
right
now,
you're
saying
not
a
lot
of
people
use
it,
but
I
could
see
why
they
wouldn't
because
it's
sort
of
a
mess
if
it
looked
better.
K
If
you
had
sort
of
getting
volunteers
going
forward,
that
could
show
commitment,
and
maybe
that
could
go
up
higher
in
the
priorities.
So
you
know
that
that's
it
reports,
one
thing
again,
I
think
I
concur
with
the
rest
of
my
fellow
commissioners.
You
did
a
great
job
on
this
I
learned.
A
lot
about
leaves
work
that
I
didn't
know
before,
which
is
you
know,
really
good
I'm,
stunned
that
20%
of
your
houses
have
turned
over
been
torn
down
and
rebuilt
in
the
past.
What
10,
15
years?
K
L
Taking
mr.
chairman
mr.
Macintosh
or
miss
Brent
Henry,
a
question
about
the
solar
array
suggested
in
miner
Park,
so
I'm
in
this
table
of
page
five
number
16
staff
response
to
the
suggestion
of
a
solar
array.
There
is
that
the
Dominion
looked
at
it
and
then
decided
not
to
do
it
I'm
wondering,
though,
if
it's
a
county
funded
project,
you
know
to
support
a
county
need
if
it
could
be
funded
through
NC.
L
You
know
if
it's
a
solar
array
with
battery
storage,
if
it's
not
going
back
to
the
grid,
it
would
also
serve,
as
is
noted
later
in
the
report.
There's
a
shade
need
there.
It's
a
hot
Park
and
the
solar
could.
If
it's
a
ground
mount
could
offer
some
shade
there
as
well
I'm
wondering
if
you
could,
if
you've
looked
at
that
option
and
if
you
could
respond
to
the
kind
of
feasibility
of
that
that
option.
H
Sure
it's
it's
not
an
option.
We
have
looked
at
in
the
past
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
look
into
all
of
the
projects
that
we
choose
or
that
rather
that
neighborhoods
choose
to
do
that.
Our
Park
projects
have
to
be
approved
and
reviewed
by
the
parks
department.
So
it's
something
we'd
have
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
about,
but
it
would
be
something
new
for
us
and
I
think
worth
looking
into
I
can't
say
for
sure
whether
or
not
we
could
do
it
through
NC
we'd
have
to
take
a
look.
L
Encourage
you
miss
McIntosh
to
look
into
that
with
the
parks
department.
You
have
a
nearby
load
need
with
the
service
commercial.
That's
there.
You
know
the
park
wouldn't
serve
that.
But
if
you
did
have
the
battery
storage,
you
could
get
around
the
kind
of
Dominion
stuff
because
you're
really
not
putting
it
back
to
the
grid.
L
It
would
be
a
costly
project
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
necessarily
appropriate
frenzy,
given
what
other
burdens
are
there,
but
I
think
it
might
be
something
to
kind
of
collaborate
on
or
be
more
holistically.
I
do
commend
the
Civic
Association
for
raising
that.
That
is
an
interesting
thing
to
do,
and
I
also
want
to
join
other
fellow
commissioners
and
thanking
the
neighborhood
for
their
work
and
miss
brown
Henry.
You
always
do
a
fantastic
job.
It's
great
to
see
you
again,
you
too,
mr.
McIntosh.
B
You
know
talking
about
curbs
and
gutters
and
sidewalks
and
street
trees
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
thought
and
that
question
right
there
both
about
the
parks.
What
could
we
do
with
the
parks?
The
idea
of
solar,
some
really
creative
thinking?
So
what
role
in
this
process
is
staff?
Did
you
feel
that
staff
is
equipping
the
neighborhood
with
the
right
information
that
they
can
go
forward
and
pursue
these
things
and
are
empowered
to
pursue
these
ideas
through
the
various?
You
know,
programs
and
apparatus
County?
C
One
of
the
things
that
was
most
notable
to
me
about
this
particular
NC
plan
was
that
there
were
about.
There
were
over
60
recommendations.
A
third
of
those
were
recommendations
for
the
Civic
Association
to
do
so,
I
thought
that
was
impressive
and
then
the
other
two-thirds,
the
other
two-thirds
were
things
that
were
recommendations
that
included.
That
would
include
work
from
on
behalf
of
the
county.
C
So,
yes,
I
think
they
are
very
well
equipped
and
I
mentioned
the
recommendations
for
the
Civic
Association,
because
they've
already
and
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
are
continuing
to
do
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
as
opposed
to
another
Civic
Association.
That
may
be
looking
for
the
county
to
do
everything
or
to
solve
all
the
issues.
So,
okay.
H
Just
to
add
to
that
I'm
sorry,
so,
once
the
plan
is
accepted
by
the
county
board,
then
the
real
work
starts
I.
Think
for
for
us
with
NC
staff.
We
have
a
plan
or
sign
to
each
neighbor.
That
participates
in
the
program
and
they'll
start
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
to
come
up
with
different
project
ideas,
and
they
can
sort
of
be
the
liaison
between
the
neighborhood
in
the
county
to
explore
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
in
the
future.
Sure.
B
And
that's
that
is
it:
that's!
That
is
the
critical
link
to
specifically
the
NC
program.
I
think
my
my
comment
was
that
there
are
a
lot
of
recommendations
here
that
perhaps
extend
beyond
what
the
NC
play.
Notwithstanding
Commissioner
Scholz
comment:
I
will
say
that
commissioners
show
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
were
going
to
explore
as
a
county
a
you
know,
if
some
kind
of
pilot
project
or
a
first-time
look
at
a
major
solar
installation
with
battery
I,
think
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
want
to
find
the
right
site
for
that.
B
So
this
may
or
may
not
be
the
best
site
for
that,
but
the
idea
is
that
it's
an
idea
worth
pursuing
and
taking
up,
and
rather
that's
through
the
NC
program
or
through
other
avenues,
I'd
like
to
think
that
that
the
that,
to
the
extent
that
this
is
the
interface
that
this
neighborhood
has
with
the
county,
that
you
guys
are
helping
them
to
reach
out
and
that's
what
miss
brown
Henry
confirmed
for
me.
So
I
appreciate
that
we're
making
those
connections,
Commissioner
Guerin,
think
you
had
another
question
earlier:
I,
don't.
J
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
I
had
had
those
same
issues,
so
it's
very
heartening
to
know
that
you
will
be
helping
them
Shepherd
this
process
through
implementation.
My
concerns
have
mostly
to
do
with
safety,
particularly
recommendations,
11
and
13,
where
attention
has
been
drawn
tada
with
traffic
pedestrian
safety.
But
yet
it
sounds
like
we
don't
have
a
plan
in
place
or
a
method
to
move
forward
and
the
response
is
I.
J
Just
wonder
if
we
can
talk
about
those
a
little
bit
so,
for
example,
recommendation
11
notes
that
Little
Falls
is
an
arterial,
so
it's
not
appropriate
for
vertical
measures
for
traffic
calming
what
are
some
of
the
other
measures
that
they
could
look
into.
Can
we
do
we
ever
overlook
that
and
say
well.
Traffic
calming
is
really
important
here,
even
though
this
is
an
arterial
and
then
with
13
there.
The
study
to
lower
the
speed
limit.
J
This
is
part
of
a
larger
issue
that
I
feel
like
we
revisit
a
lot
when
we
look
at
the
county's
policies
to
encourage
walking
and
biking,
especially
for
children
to
school.
But
yet
we
don't
have
all
of
the
pieces
in
place
to
make
it
as
safe
as
we
should
and
when
we
get
something
like
such
a
thoughtful
plan,
supported
by
staff
that
has
called
attention
to
these
issues.
I'm
really
uncomfortable,
leaving
these
here
saying
well
we're
if
we
don't
have
any
timeline
to
study
these
in
the
short
term.
H
Regarding
the
the
first
recommendation
about
Little,
Falls,
Road
and
arterial,
it
is
true
that,
because
it's
an
arterial,
it's
not
eligible
for
vertical
measures,
basically
speed
humps.
But
there
are
other
things
that
we
have
in
our
toolbox
that
we
can
use
to
to
as
sort
of
traffic
calming
and
traffic
management
to
help
make
the
roadway
a
safer
place.
And
that's
that's
something.
H
We
can
absolutely
work
to
help
facilitate
with
a
neighborhood
if
they
wanted
to
do
a
project
there
and
we
would
work
with
DES
to
come
up
with
some
ideas
that
they
could
do
on
that
roadway.
But
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
the
fact
that
it
is
in
arterial
and
the
the
we're
pretty
limited
in
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
the
some
of
the
traffic
calming
measures,
but
regarding
the
the
speed
study,
I
think
the
onus
will
be
on
NC
staff
and
the
neighborhood
to
work
with
des
and
just
ask
them.
H
J
B
M
N
You
know
that's
a
fascinating
question
we
do
have
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
Several
types
of
overlay
districts
as
mr.
Rick's
is
familiar
with,
of
course,
would
be
the
historic
district
overlay,
which
in
many
ways
would
act
in
the
same
way,
because
the
historic
district
is
combined
with
a
set
of
guidelines
that
are
adopted
that
actually
speak
to
what
is
regulated
within
the
local
historic
district.
N
So,
while
we
most
of
us
know,
Maywood,
there's
a
particular
set
of
guidelines
that
addresses
whether
it's
editions
its
materials,
it's
of
course
not
the
color
of
the
house
it,
and
nor
is
it
limiting
a
size
of
an
addition.
But
you
could
also
write
guidelines
that
just
say
you
want
to
regulate
the
height
or
you
want
to
regulate,
building
materials
or
the
facade
as
it
appears
from
the
street
or
any
visible
any
right-of-way
meaning.
N
N
It's
H
al
RB
and
in
fact,
would
permit
the
in
some,
in
some
cases
doubling
of
the
size
of
homes
which
we've
seen
in
Maywood,
which
respects
is
I,
think
the
neighborhood
thoughtfully
said
there
there's
a
consumer
desire
to
have
some
larger
houses,
but
what
you're
looking
for
is
appropriateness
and
in
sort
of
a
way
to
blend
styles,
so
that
you
don't
have
this
huge
house,
a
little
house
or
or
that
you
have
some
stylistic
similarities
within
the
neighborhood.
That
ties
you
together.
N
So
that's
sort
of
a
long-winded
answer
to
say
no,
there's
not
the
provision
in
our
zoning
ordinance
to
do
just
an
overlay
by
homeowners.
I,
don't
even
know
if
we
have
enabling
legislation
to
do
that.
Since
we're
a
Dylan
will
state
rate
which,
which
translates
to
mother
mae-eye,
that
we
always
have
to
ask
the
state.
If
we
can
do
something
rather
than
just
assuming
we
can.
But
there
is
that
tool
of
the
historic
district
overlay
that
could
be
tailored
to
a
particular
neighborhoods
needs
and
desires,
and.
B
M
I
M
B
And
I
think
that
Commissioner
Siegel
wants
to
comment
on
this
and
I
guess:
I
should
revise
my
other
stuff.
My
earlier
coming,
I
know
that
we
have
HOAs,
but
therefore
they're
generally
for
like
townhome
developments
and
new
construction,
that
is
Kinsella
I
mean
in
terms
of
overlaying
that
on
an
existing
established,
you
know,
neighborhood
is
something
that
I'm
not
aware
of,
but
go
ahead.
Commissioner
Siegel
so.
I
There
are
nine
homes,
the
season,
the
sort
of
political
or
development
reason
that
this
homeowner
association
exists
is
because
the
developer
came
in
and
requested
that
the
open
space
required
for
each
home
be
pooled,
and
there
is,
in
the
back
of
these
homes
a
one
to
two
acre
one
to
two
acre
land
that
is
really
not
developable.
So
that
was
the
the
impetus
for
the
creation
of
this
homeowner
association.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
there
there
does
exist,
a
homeowner
association
for
nine
single-family
homes
and
there
may
be
others
in
arlington.
Mr.
N
Getchell,
if
I
could
follow
up
just
briefly,
I
believe
what
Commissioner
Siegel
was
describing.
It
was
a
group
of
homes
that
was
created
under
the
zoning
ordinance
under
the
cluster
designation,
and
so
that
type
of
development
is
handled
differently
from
the
beginning.
It's
it's.
It's
almost
like
a
site
plan
in
a
residential,
neighborhood
and
cluster
was
based
on
the
provision
of
a
lot
of
open
space
clusters
not
used
much
anymore.
B
I
think
we
do
need
to
move
on
I
think
Thank,
You
Commissioner
Rick's
for
raising
the
the
issue,
because
I
do
believe
that
this
neighborhood
is
not
alone
and
its
desire
for
some
kind
of
tool.
If
you
will
is
some
sort
of
response
to
the
changes
that
are
going
on
and
Commissioner
I'm
Tommy
commented
on
the
20%
tear
down
rate
in
this
neighborhood
personally
I
think
that
that
would
probably
be
fairly
consistent
across
most
of
North
Arlington
and,
in
fact,
in
some
specific
area,
specific
pockets,
even
even
higher,
and
so
that's
anecdotally.
B
So
my
comment
to
follow
up
on
this
to
staff
would
be
to
look
at
the
response
to
recommendation
number
two
on.
In
the
end,
the
staff
matrix
here
on
page
between
three
that
is
getting
at
some
of
these
there's
really
actually
a
couple
of
of
these
recommendations
that
go.
You
know
one
two
and
three
that
get
at
the
heart
of
this
issue
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
zoning,
land-use
and
housing,
and
perhaps
see,
if
there's
not
again
going
back
to
the
notion
of
that.
B
The
role
of
this
plan
in
this
process
is
to
connect
the
neighborhood
with
with
ideas
and
alternate
whether
or
not
there's
not
the
potential
from
some
discussion
between
the
neighborhood
and
the
appropriate
planning
staff
of
looking
at.
If
there
really
is
a
will
from
the
neighborhood
at
exploring
whether
or
not
there
is
not
some
possibility
under
state
law,
I
mean
they
would
have
to
all
voluntarily
and
how
that
breaks
out
down.
B
O
B
Is
absolutely
a
valid
point
and
I
think
nothing
in
my
comment
should
be
construed
as
to
suggest
anything
other
that
this
would
require
a
very
extensive
discussion
and
conversation,
not
the
least
of
which
would
be
among
the
neighborhood
itself,
but
certainly
in
the
county.
I.
Do,
however,
think
that
there
it's
worthy
of
at
least
a
conversation
between
planning
staff
and
the
neighborhood
at
what
all
would
be
involved.
If
they
were
going
to
pursue
this.
Commissioner,
you
mean
just.
N
N
But
it
would
be
interesting
to
go
through
and
see
plans
and
find
out
how
many
of
them
talk
about
the
neighborhood,
changing
and
lot
coverage
and
height
and
reviewing
that
and
using
that
in
some
ways
to
help
inform
the
C
PhD
work
program
for
a
coming
year.
There
might
you
know
and
again
that
that's
sort
of
a
balance
is
you,
you
don't
want
one
set
of
staff
gathering
data
tales.
Another
set
has
time,
but
maybe
you
need
to
do
this
work,
but
you
know
for
NC
and
its
officers
itself
or
someone
there.
N
It
actually
might
be
good
to
aggregate
that
and
and
bring
it
forward
or
let
us
know,
or
somebody
that'll
be
at
the
table
for
when
we
discuss
the
work
plan,
because
unless
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
interested
in
it,
it's
not
going
to
be
put
on
the
work
plan
and
I.
Think
NC
plans
are
so
thoroughly
that
it's
so
well
written
researched.
You've
done
all
of
the
outreach
that
that
carries
a
great
should
carry
some
weight.
L
Our
chair
mentioned
how
you
know
how
detailed
this
was
and
how
this
kind
of
went
beyond
some
of
the
NC
plans.
We've
seen
I
know,
as
we
kind
of
asked
you
some
questions,
you're.
Taking
some
of
these
questions
back
to
other
staff.
To
the
extent
we
start
to
see,
plans
that
are
dis,
elaborate,
going
forward.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
of
your
other
colleagues
from
the
other
departments
here,
because
some
of
our
questions
that
I
think
I
would
have
wanted
to
have
asked
you
know
mr.
Macintosh
and
miss
Brent
Henry.
L
You
are
not
the
individuals
to
feel
those
questions
and
some
of
the
things
our
chair
just
walked
through
I
think
would
be
questions
for
mr.
Duffy
or
some
of
his
colleagues
in
the
planning,
department
or
other
is
so
or
GPR
staff.
We
keep
going
down
a
line,
so
I
appreciate
you
feeling
our
questions
tonight,
but
I
think
as
we
go
forward.
That
would
be
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
our
kind
of
consideration
as
well.
Yeah.
B
Actually
I
I
hear
where
you're
coming
from
commissioners
role,
I
think
that
maybe
staff
would
like
to
just
one
more
time
for
the
record
or
to
elaborate
on
your
earlier
answer
in
terms
of
the
role
of
this
plan
in
in
the
greater
scheme
of
things
and
and
what
we're
doing
tonight,
because
and
what
I'm
getting
at
and
I'll
lead.
The
question
just
a
little
bit
here
is
that
there
is
nothing
in
this
plan
that
becomes,
you
know
binding
in
any
way
or
anything
like
that
and
so
stuff.
H
B
B
Second,
Commissioner
LAN
tell
me
all
right
any
discussion,
any
amendments,
all
those
in
favor,
please
raise
your
hand
opposed,
carries
unanimously,
and
thank
you
to
the
neighbourhood
for
for
great
work
and
to
staff
for
all
that
you
do.
It
really
shows
that
you're
able
to
come
in
with
a
nice
clean
presentation.
So
thank
you
all
right
with
that.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
please
call
the
next
item
item.
A
P
P
Other
requests,
there's
one
other
request
that
was
made
by
members
of
the
development
community
that
we
were
able
to
capture
as
part
of
this
proposed
amendment,
and
that
is
increasing
the
maximum
allowed
size
for
blade
signs
which
we
threw
in
here.
As
we
thought
it
would
be
something
that
we
could
look
at
without
extending
the
scope
of
the
proposed
amendment.
P
So
just
a
little
bit
of
background
on
how
sign
area
works
for
mixed-use
properties,
there
is
a
long-standing
formula
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
calculating
sign
area
for
buildings
in
commercial
and
mixed
use
districts.
This
formula
was
based
on
long-standing
practice
ahman
in
2012,
when
the
sign
regulations
were
comprehensively
updated.
This
formula
was
codified
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
allocates
sign
area
for
for
buildings
and
commercial
mixed
use
district,
so
these
are
also
districts
as
well
as
industrial
districts.
P
It
allows
one
square
foot
of
sign
area
for
each
foot
of
linear
building
frontage,
that
linear
building
frontage
is
basically
calculated
as
any
frontage
of
the
building.
That's
facing
a
public
right-of-way.
It
is
calculated
based
on
a
straight
line
from
building
corner
to
building
corner.
It
doesn't
add
additional
sign
or
additional
length
to
that
line
when
there
is
an
inset,
such
as
a
Plaza,
as
shown
in
the
building
here.
So
in
this
example,
this
building
from
corner
to
corner
it's
200
feet
long,
so
this
building
would
be
allocated
200
feet
of
sign
area.
P
P
So
I
just
want
to
also
add
that
that
formula,
while
it
does
sort
of
look
at
individual
businesses
as
part
of
calculating
the
formula
what
it
does
is,
it
calculates
the
amount
of
sign
area
that's
allocated
to
the
entire
building.
So
even
if
a
particular
storefront,
for
example,
doesn't
add
very
much
sign
area
to
the
total
formula,
the
property
manager
or
property
owner
has
the
authority
to
be
able
to,
under
a
comprehensive
sign
plan,
allocate
that
sign
area
any
way
he
or
she
chooses
throughout
the
development.
P
So
he
can
choose
to
give
all
the
sign
area
to
to
one
retailer
and
none
to
others.
That's
probably
not
what
they're
going
to
do
but
to
allocate
it
accordingly,
so
the
property
manager
controls
that
it
gives
that
property
manager
flexibility
to
allocate
signs
in
the
way
that
would
work
best
for
that
building.
So
that
includes
both
your
retailers
any.
If
there's
an
office
building
an
office
tower
or
a
residential
tower,
it
might
have
a
lobby
that
would
have
some
signs
and
any
other
signs
needed
for
the
property
that
all
comes
out
of
that
formula.
P
There
are
also
several
examples
in
the
county
of
developments.
In
addition
to
that
have
plazas
there's
also
several
examples
in
the
county
of
developments
that
have
more
than
one
story
of
retail.
So
again,
these
are
the
things
we're
looking
at
as
part
of
this.
These
are
the
types
of
things
these
plazas
often
called
for
in
our
sector,
small
area
and
revitalization
plans.
A
few
examples
shown
on
this
slide
here.
P
These
are
the
types
of
buildings
we
were
looking
at
and
helping
to
inform
the
proposed
regulations
before
you
tonight,
a
number
of
things
that
we
looked
at
as
part
of
our
analysis.
First,
we
looked
at
the
Arlington
County
retail
plan,
which
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
July
of
2015
and
looking
at
some
of
the
policies
articulated
in
that
plan,
including
this,
the
2015
retail
plan
really
kind
of
rethought.
The
way
retail
is
is
spread
throughout
the
county.
P
It
reduced
the
number
of
streets
planned
for
retail
capitalizing
on
on
a
synergy
created
by
clustering
retail
uses
next
to
each
other.
It
recommends
transparent,
store,
storefronts
to
provide
views
into
buildings
Amun
and
also
articulates
that
really
successful
retail
does
best.
When
it
is
associated
with
a
well
designed
and
planned
and
functional
public
realm,
so
that
LED
staff
to
factoring
the
amount
and
location
of
retail
into
the
the
general
formula
for
allocating
sign
area
to
our
mixed-use
properties.
P
The
second
thing
we
looked
at
as
part
of
this
amendment
was
in
October
of
2016
as
part
of
its
implementation
of
the
Rosslyn
or
not
part
of
simultaneously,
with
the
implementation
of
the
Rosalind
sector
plan.
The
county
board
adopted
an
amendment
to
the
master
transportation
plan,
which
articulated
two
new
Street
type
ologies,
the
shared
street
and
the
pedestrian
priority
street.
These
are
our
street
type,
Paula
G's
that
focus
on
pedestrian
activity,
public
realm
and
placemaking,
ranging
from
a
travel
free
corridor
car
free
corridor
to
one
that's
more
shared.
P
P
The
county
board
adopted
special
provisions
for
sign
area
for
regional
shopping
centers.
In
that
case,
staff
had
developed,
signed
regulations
that
were
specific
to
a
very
specific
type
of
development.
In
this
case,
we
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
whether
we
needed
to
have
sort
of
specific
regulations
when
we
did
this
review
of
site
plans
over
the
last
10
years.
P
P
We
established
some
goals
of
the
proposed
amendment.
One
was
to
factor
in
retail
storefronts,
as
retail
is
strategically
planned
and
located
and
clustered
throughout
the
county,
as
shown
in
the
arlington
county
retail
plan.
Second,
to
emphasize
how
retail
interacts
with
the
public
realm
and
the
placemaking
aspect
of
ground-floor
retail.
And
finally,
we
wanted
to
look
at
this
formula
and
ensure
that
we're
providing
both
an
appropriate
amount
of
sign
area
for
mixed-use
developments
without
providing
an
excess
of
sign
area.
So
we
wanted
to
achieve
the
right
balance.
P
So
I'm
going
to
start
I've
switched
around
this
presentation
a
little
bit,
because
the
blade
sign
discussion
always
gets
lost
in
the
the
retail
sign
area
formula.
So
before
we
get
into
the
the
nitty-gritty
details,
staff
is
proposing
to
increase
the
maximum
size
of
blade
signs
allowed
in
commercial
makes
you
see
and
industrial
districts.
P
Currently,
the
maximum
allowed
sized
sign
for
a
blade
sign
is
20
square
feet
with
a
comprehensive
signed
plan
and
applicant
could
have
up
to
35
feet
on
longer
facades
so
where
they
have
70
linear
feet
of
street
frontage.
These
are
still
intended
to
be
retail
signs.
These
are
signs
that
are
placed
below
40
feet,
but
this
just
gives
people
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
to
be
a
little
bit
more
creative,
with
their
blade
signs
on
longer
frontages
if
they
choose.
P
So
the
next
piece
of
the
proposed
amendment
gets
revising
that
formula
for
calculating
the
total
amount
of
aggregate
sign
area
assigned
to
a
commercial
mixed
use
building.
So
this
just
applies
to
C
districts,
not
to
industrial
districts.
It
also
would
not
apply
to
the
five
zoning
districts
c,
1,
r
c,
1
c
1,
o
c
2
and
c
l1o
that
are
typically
associated
with
service
commercial
uses
on
the
General
Land
Use
Plan.
These
properties
have
lower
densities.
P
Second,
it
would
allow
an
additional
one
square
foot,
a
sign
area
for
any
portion
of
a
building
facade
and
in
all
these
cases
these
are
four
facades
that
actually
contain
retail.
So
you
would
only
get
the
additional
sign
area
if
there
is
retail
on
these
facades,
an
additional
square
foot
of
sign
area
for
any
portion
of
a
facade
that
contains
retail,
fronting
an
area
meeting
the
following
criteria.
This
is
designed
to
get
at
parks
and
plazas
the
the
word
park
and
Plaza
is
not
defined
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
P
Easement
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
that
additional
sign
area,
and
again
this
really
gets
back
to
ensuring
that
the
retail
is
fronting
a
real
functional
public
realm,
both
from
a
design
perspective,
as
well
as
a
programming
perspective
and
and
certainly,
of
course,
from
a
public
access
perspective
which
staff
believes
is
provided
by
that
public
ownership
or
the
public
access
easement.
The
third
situation,
which
would
allow
additional
sign
area,
is
for
any
facade
that
contains
retail
on
more
than
one
story.
P
P
Staff
is
continuing
to
recommend
that
the
public
access
easement
is
required
as
one
of
the
criteria
for
additional
sign
area
facing
a
plaza,
but
I
did
want
to
share
that
the
county
board
had
advertised
some
additional
language
for
its
consideration
and
for
your
consideration
that
would
sort
of
get
at
the
same
intent
and
again.
That
is
that
that
the
retail
is
fronting
a
very
functional
public
realm
and
that
language
included.
P
So,
alternatively,
staffs
recommendation
is
in
the
small
bullets
in
in
bold
here
again
providing
an
unenclosed,
plaza
and
publicly
owned.
Er
has
a
public
access
easement.
The
alternative
language
would
require
that
that
plaza,
it
would
keep
this
top
portion
here.
Be
open
to
the
public
is
not
separated
from
the
building
facade
by
an
off
street
parking
area
has
at
least
a
portion
at
grade
with
the
abutting
street
or
sidewalk
and
is
contiguous
with
the
public
right-of-way.
P
The
other
two
provisions,
the
pedestrian
priority
street
and
the
two
stories
of
retail
were
unchanged
as
far
as
what
the
board
authorized
for
advertisement.
Just
a
couple
illustrations
to
illustrate
the
staff
proposal.
This
image
here
is
showing
the
same
building
I
showed
to
illustrate
the
existing
sign
regulations,
and
you
can
see
here
also
shown
in
red
under
the
adopted
formula
for
sign
area.
This
building
gets
200
feet
of
sign
area
shown
in
red
here,
just
the
distance
from
corner
to
corner
with
the
proposed
amendment.
P
This
building
has
two
storeys
of
retail
in
some
places
and
I've
just
added
over
here
we
have
a
second-story
office.
Here
we
have
a
second-story
retailer
that
doesn't
have
an
exterior
door.
It's
got
retail
fronting
the
plaza
on
two
stories,
so
this-
and
this
illustration
here
shows
that
this
Plaza
has
a
public
access
easement.
So
under
this
scenario,
this
same
building,
rather
than
getting
the
200
square
feet
of
sign
area
that
it
gets
today,
gets
to
four
hundred
and
sixty
feet
of
sign
area.
P
Just
this
one,
just
a
second
illustration,
showing
kind
of
the
difference
as
to
what
you
would
see
if
this
plaza
did
not
have
a
public
access
easement
in
this
case,
this
building
is
only
going
to
get
370
feet
of
sign
area,
you'll
notice
that
the
difference
is
really
only
90
square
feet,
even
though
this
plaza
doesn't
have
a
public
access.
Easement.
P
So
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
there
are
situations
where,
even
though
you're
not
facing
a
public
street
or
any
of
the
areas
that
are
proposed
for
additional
sign
area,
there
are
still
opportunities
to
gain
additional
sign
area
for
the
property.
So
even
without
the
public
access
easement,
this
proposed
building
is
getting
370
versus
the
the
460.
So
it's
it's
really
not
a
huge
difference
and
I.
Just
this
is
all
related
to
ground
floor,
basically,
retail
type,
pedestrian,
oriented
signage-
these
are
all
signs
that
are
required
to
be
placed
below
a
height
of
40
feet.
P
Similarly,
with
this
building
in
the
middle
here,
there
is
a
second
story
of
retail,
but
it
is
below
grade
under
the
proposed
amendment.
Two
stories
of
retail
would
be
counted
when
there
are
two
stories
of
retail
that
are
at
least
10
feet
above
grade,
so
on
this
middle
building.
Here
again,
just
credit
for
the
length
of
the
linear
front
inch
so
80
square
feet.
In
this
case
third
scenario.
P
P
A
couple
other
discussion
items
that
came
up
during
that
the
zoko
discussion,
as
well
as
during
the
the
county
board
public
hearing
on
the
request
to
advertise
than
I
wanted
to
share
with
you.
There
were
some
questions
as
to
why
not
tie
the
amount
of
additional
sign
area
allowed
to
the
retail
streets
that
are
shown
in
the
adopted
Arlington
County
retail
plan
staff
has
not
proposed
to
put
this
as
part
of
the
amendment.
I
wanted
to
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
again.
P
The
2015
retail
plan
we
thought
did
some
strategic
rethinking
on
where
retail
should
be
allocated
throughout
the
county.
The
plan
articulates
four
different
types
of
streets
that
have
kind
of
different
requirements
in
terms
of
our
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
types
of
uses
that
are
are
recommended
for
those
streets.
If
the
ordinance
were
to
to
be
tied
to
the
the
retail
streets
in
the
retail
plan,
we'd
have
to
do
some
additional
thinking
about
which
streets
which
streets
would
be
allocated
additional
sign
area,
for
example,
the
Green
Streets
are
really
not
retail
streets
at
all
right.
P
P
Additionally,
the
proposed
amendment
is
really
we've
really
tied
it
in
our
proposal
to
having
retail
fronting
a
well
designed
public
space,
and
that's
what
we've
really
been
focusing
on
our
sector
plans.
Moving
forward
in
particular
are
really
very
well
tied
to
our
retail
policies
as
well,
so
they
are
kind
of
tied
in
there
in
terms
of
where
we
have
our
public
spaces,
so
we
feel,
like
that's
already
covered
by
the
public
spaces,
and
finally,
the
retail
plan
actually
doesn't
provide
retail
maps
for
all
areas
of
the
county.
P
I've
also
got
a
few
examples
here,
in
addition
to
the
the
sort
of
some
real
examples
that
you
might
be
familiar
with
this.
This
slide
here
shows
the
the
central
place
Plaza
the
central
place
Plaza
is,
and
this
this
map
here
shows
the
adopted
master
transportation
plan
map
that
was
adopted
as
part
of
the
implementation
of
the
Rosland
sector
plan,
showing
that
18th
Street,
which
actually
goes
straight
through
the
plaza
here,
is,
is
now
designated
as
a
pedestrian
priority
street.
P
Under
the
proposed
amendment,
the
retail
facing
the
the
plaza,
which
is
a
pedestrian
priority
street,
would
get
additional
sign
area
just
to
orient
you
North,
Moore,
Street
and
Lynn
Street
are
on
either
side
here,
so
normally
these
buildings
would
only
be
under
the
adopted
provisions.
These
buildings
would
only
be
getting
sign
area
for
or
the
sides
of
the
buildings
that
face
the
public
street.
They
are
not
currently
allocated
sign
area
facing
that
plaza
under
the
proposed
amendment.
They
would
because
they
are
designated
as
a
pedestrian
priority
street.
P
In
addition,
and
I
don't
have
that
information
here,
but
if
there
is
a
second
story
of
retail
above
those
shown
here,
there
would
be
an
additional
additional
amount
of
square
footage
that
would
be
added
to
that
building.
Another
example.
This
is
the
the
building
with
the
new
target
in
Rosslyn
two
storeys
of
retail
here
under
the
adopted
regulations.
P
You
know
this
building
gets
a
sign
area
for
its
street
frontage
under
the
proposed
regulations.
It
would
also
get
additional.
It
would
basically
double
the
amount
of
sign
area
for
that
frontage
there,
because
there
are
two
stories
of
retail
above
grade
the
target.
The
second
story
is
accessible
from
directly
from
from
the
street.
P
A
third
example
also
in
Rosslyn.
This
is
showing
the
Rosslyn
metro
center
again
under
the
adopted
adopted
formula.
This
building
gets
sign
area
for
its
street
frontage
facing
this
is
Moore
Street,
North
Moore
Street
here
under
the
proposed
amendment
and
again
showing
the
new
master
transportation
plan
map
with
the
pedestrian
priority
street
designated
here
as
18th
Street.
P
If
this
building
at
some
point
in
the
future
were
to
be
reconfigured
such
that
it
had
retail
on
this
frontage,
it
does
not
currently,
if
it
had
retail
on
this
frontage
with
its
own
entrance,
it
could
get
additional
sign
area
under
the
proposed
amendment
for
this
frontage.
Here
another
example:
courthouse
sector
plan
again
shown
in
green
because
these
streets
are
not
designated
yet,
but
under
the
courthouse
sector
plan
there
are
recommendations
to
designate
a
number
of
streets
shown
in
green
as
either
pedestrian
priority
or
shared
streets.
P
Currently
under
the
adopted
formula,
the
only
sign
area
allocated
to
this
building
is
for
that
kind
of
the
frontage.
That's
piecing
Clarendon
Clarendon
Boulevard.
Under
the
to
the
proposed
amendment.
There
would
be
additional
sign
ere
allocated
for
those
the
sides,
the
retail,
on
the
sides
facing
the
plaza,
as
well
as
for
the
second
story.
As
you
know,
these
retailers
have
exterior
public
entrances.
You
can
go
directly
into
them.
They
don't
come
off
of
a
common,
hallway.
I
think
this
is
my
last
example:
Wellborn
square
in
Boston
sign
area.
P
They
get
today
facing
the
streets
on
the
sides
of
these
buildings.
Additional
sign
area
would
be
allocated
under
the
proposed
amendment
for
those
retail
businesses
facing
the
plaza
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Crystal
City.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
whether
or
not
the
proposed
amendment
should
require
a
public
access,
easement
and,
as
I
said,
staff
is
continuing
to
propose
that
public
access,
easement
I
think
some
of
the
main
areas
that
have
generated
that
discussion
have
been
Crystal
City.
P
P
Lastly,
a
few
organizational
and
clarifying
amendments
that
are
included
with
the
proposed
amendment.
The
proposed
amendment
moves
some
language
around.
There
are
some
by
right,
sign
regulations,
they're
kind
of
buried
under
the
wall.
Sign
provisions
right
now:
that's
not
exactly
the
way
they're
administered,
it's
never
the
way
they
were
intended
to
be
administered
by
right
projects
that
don't
have
a
comp
sign
plan
also
have
access
to
a
range
of
sign
types.
So
we're
just
moving
these.
P
These
regulations,
out
of
the
wall,
sign
provisions
sort
of
up
to
the
front
to
be
clear
that
it
applies
to
multiple
sign
types
for
those
buildings
and
lastly,
the
definition
for
a
foot
of
linear
building
frontage,
which
is
sort
of
one
of
the
major
pieces
of
this
amendment,
is
being
moved.
It's
currently
in
the
definition
section
at
the
end
of
the
zoning
ordinance
we're
moving
it
into
the
measurement
section
of
the
sign
regulations,
because
that's
the
only
place
that
it
is
used.
P
Just
a
quick
review
of
the
public
process
staff
reviewed
the
proposed
amendments
with
the
zoning
committee
of
the
Planning
Commission
twice
in
March
and
April,
also
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
the
commercial
real
estate
development
group,
neigh
up
as
well
as
the
Economic
Development
Commission
executive
committee.
The
county
board
authorized
the
advertisement
on
May
20th
and
the
county
board
were
will
act
on
the
proposed
amendment
at
its
meeting
on
June
17th.
P
Staffs
recommendation
to
the
county
board
is
that
the
county
board
adopt
the
amendments
as
proposed
as
attached
to
a
staff
report
again
requiring
that
public
access
easement
for
the
the
criteria
for
a
public
plaza,
and
that
concludes
the
staff.
Presentation
and
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
That
will
own
all
these
properties,
among
others,
that
she
showed
in
her
slide
for
Crystal
City
with
these
these
private
plazas
and
as
she
went
into
a
little
bit
in
her
presentation,
these
properties
in
Crystal
City.
Again
as
you're
all
aware,
a
lot
of
them
were
developed
in
the
60s
when
the
practice
was
not
to
give
public
access
easements
to
the
county
board.
The
Crystal
City
sector
plan
obviously
envisions
getting
public
access,
easement
control
over
these
properties.
R
R
It
doesn't
strike
us
as
fair
to
subject
the
retail
tenants
in
these
in
these
plazas
that
aren't
subject
to
a
public
access
easement
to
the
the
smaller
signage
amount.
Just
because
there's
not
a
public
access
easement
for
any
of
you
who
live
or
visit
Crystal
City,
you
know
a
lot
of
these
spaces.
Don't
have
lines
on
the
ground
that
say
this
is
where
the
public
access
easement
ends
or
does
not
exist.
R
R
My
very
last
point
is
to
the
issue
of
I
believe
this
albert
said
that
the
reduction
in
signage
in
a
practical
sense
in
the
example
she
gave
would
be
90
square
feet.
Well
from
you
know,
460
square
feet.
That's
that's
a
20%
difference
and
when
you're
talking
about
some
of
these
areas
that
have
matured
and
have
trees
grown
up
and
enter
tucked
back,
you
know
some
of
these
retail
spaces
are
going
to
remain
and
20%
signage
differential
is
something
meaningful
in
a
lot
of
those
cases
so
happy
to
stick
around.
S
Good
evening,
I'm
James,
Walker
I'm,
with
American
real
estate
partners
and
on
behalf
of
my
firm
I,
want
to
say
that
we
generally
support
the
amendment.
We
think
it's
a
very
good
change
to
the
policy
in
the
county.
As
you
all
know,
upper
storey,
retail
struggles,
mightily
and
anything
that
we
can
do
as
a
community
to
strengthen
the
the
visibility
and
the
access
accessibility
of
second
floor
retail
I
think
we
should
be
doing
I.
Think
the
amendment
as
proposed
is
too
narrow
in
two
important
ways.
S
One
with
respect
to
the
requirement
that
upper
floor
retail
have
its
own
separate
entrance.
I
think
this
is
unnecessary.
Restriction
I
think
that,
as
long
as
the
retail
has
some
visibility,
a
street
facade.
What
you're
looking
for
is
that
activation
pedestrian
activation
on
the
street
and
if,
if
the
pedestrians
can
see
the
retail
on
the
facade
of
the
building,
I,
think
that's
the
kind
of
recognition
and
activation
that
you're
looking
for.
There
are
many
buildings
that
have
retailers
on
an
upper
floor
share
a
common
lobby.
S
There
are,
for
example,
many
lobbies
that
provide
one
elevator
up
to
the
upper
floor,
retail
this
amendment.
If
it
was
passed
as
it
is,
actually
penalize
'as
someone
who
puts
in
an
elevator
or
access
to
the
upper
floors,
if
they
don't
have
a
direct
AB,
stroeve's
stair
access
to
the
street,
so
I
don't
think
that's
really
what
is
intended
by
the
policy
of
changing
the
met.
The
sign
signage
regulations
here
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
consider
eliminating
the
requirement
that
the
upper
floor,
retail
have
its
own
distinct
Street
entrance.
S
I
would
also
encourage
you
to
think
about
not
limiting
this
to
just
second-floor
upper
retail.
Again,
it's
it's
uncommon,
but
we
all
know
that
there
are
places
in
the
county
that
have
3rd
and
floor
4th
floor,
retail
that
retail
does
have
a
very
difficult
time,
sustaining
itself
and
I
think
the
county
again,
to
the
extent
that
you
have
a
retail
establishment
that
has
a
number
of
floors
of
retail
again
that
are
on
that
have
facades.
S
You
have
that
clustering
element
that
the
county
has
recognized
is
important
to
the
sustainability
of
retail,
and
so
I
think
that
again,
even
if
it's
on
the
3rd
or
4th
floor
of
the
building,
I
think
that
we
should
think
about
extending
this
signage
bonus,
onus
square
footage
to
the
retailer's
on
those
floors
as
well.
It
will,
it
will
still
encourage
additional
pedestrian
traffic
and
you
know
more
activity
on
the
street,
even
if
the
retail
is
up
of
few
stories
as
long
as
the
pedestrians
can
see
a
sign
that
that
retailer
is
up
there.
S
B
You,
okay,
I,
think
that
was
the
last
speaker
than
correct
okay,
any
other
Commission's
here,
don't
think
so.
So
the
matter
is
now
before
the
Planning
Commission
Commissioner
Guerin.
Do
you
have
a
zoko
report?
I
do.
J
I
have
a
brief
summary
of
our
consideration
of
these
issues
to
date.
So
again,
these
are
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
additional
sign
area
for
development
projects
in
commercial
or
mixed
use
that
contain
retail
uses
and
certain
configurations,
zoko
met
March,
29th
and
April
26
to
consider
these
changes
Ms
Albert.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
very
thorough
and
precise
and
thoughtful
consideration
at
those
meetings
and
with
the
report.
This
is
very
complicated
information.
J
You
did
a
really
good
job
with
the
illustrations
and
explaining
it
so
Ms
Albert
presented
at
those
meetings
and,
as
she
pointed
out
at
additional
meetings
when
we've
received
some
feedback
regarding
the
proposed
amendments.
On
his
background,
the
county
has
been
working
on
retail
signage
issues
and
periodically
reviews
them.
So
the
current
proposed
changes
allow
for
greater
retail
signage.
So
for
us
to
consider
tonight
are
these
the
right
policies,
the
right
changes
and
does
the
proposed
language
and
our
reports
implement
the
proposed
policy
changes
at
our
recent
zoko
meetings
on
the
topic.
J
Issues
that
have
been
partially
resolved
in
the
staff
report
or
that
remain
unresolved,
include
defining
parks
and
plazas
commissioners,
LAN
Tommy
and
Sherrill
races
at
the
SoCo
meetings,
page
11
and
our
report
discusses
how
this
was
handled.
Retail
retail
equivalent.
Ms
Alberta
shows
me
that
retail
includes
retail
equivalent
the
public
access
easement
requirement
for
additional
signage
I'll,
come
back
to
that
in
a
moment
how
to
interpret
covered
or
roof.
J
This
was
addressed
by
using
the
term
enclosure,
because
that
is
a
defined
term
in
the
zoning
ordinance
concerned
that
the
second-story
retail
without
a
dedicated
exterior
entrance,
does
not
qualify
for
this
additional
signage
and
not
represented
by
any
public
comment.
Tonight.
There
was
some
additional
discussion
about
needing
others
types
of
signage
in
certain
areas,
as
they
developed
over
time,
such
as
wayfinding
and
monument
signs.
With
regard
to
the
public
access
easement
requirement
for
additional
signage,
we
did
have
some
discussion
about
this
at
our
zoko
meetings.
J
It
is
true
that
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan
does
address
this
pretty
clearly
and
consistently
starting
with
page
74.
They
talk
about
private,
open
space
may
be
perceived
as
less
physically
accessible
and
then
going
into
the
specifics
of
moving
forward
acknowledging
that
a
lot
of
these
properties
were
developed
in
the
1960s
when
it
was
not
our
practice
to
acquire
public
access
easements.
The
plan
does
call
for.
J
Including
a
public
easement
dedication,
where
applicable,
under
the
open
space
planning
recommendations
on
page
78,
addressing
the
displacement
of
public
open
spaces
through
the
improvements
to
existing
open
spaces,
along
with
public
easement
dedications
and
then
again
later
in
the
plan
action
point
number
23
talks
about
in
all
cases,
new
or
improved
public
open
spaces
will
require
public
access
easements.
So
just
to
give
some
more
background
as
to
what
Ms
Albert
was
giving
us
in
terms
of
trying
to
address
this
issue
that
was
raised
by
the
community.
B
B
B
J
B
So
right
so
I
have
definitions,
the
public
access,
easement
and
then
the
second
story
and
actually
second
story
and
above
provisions
shall
we
say
all
right
and
then
we
will
have
a
catch-all
others
all
right.
So,
let's
start
with
definitions,
questions
about
definitions
and
the
zoning
ordinance
proposes
anywhere.
It's
amendment,
Commissioner
Shelby,
I,.
T
P
So
this
is
actually
a
formula
for
calculating
sign
area.
That's
allocated
to
the
entire
property,
so
while
the
formula
and
the
amendment
that's
proposed
would
add
additional
sign
area
when
a
property
includes
retail
configured
in
a
certain
way,
this
isn't
necessary.
This
isn't
signs
for
retail.
This
is
signs
for
the
entire
property,
so
it
includes
all
signs.
Thank.
T
P
P
There
are
you're
correct,
there
are
certain
signs,
so
the
way
the
sign
ordinance
is
works
is
there
are
certain
signs
that
kind
of
count.
As
part
of
that
so
say
you
do
your
math
and
you
end
up
with
100
square
feet
for
our
property.
There
are
certain
signs
that
count
against
your
aggregate
sign
area
that
100
square
feet
and
there
are
other
signs
that
are
sort
of
free.
They
don't
count.
So
mr.
Allen
tell
me
is
is
correct
that
there
are
so
incidental
signs
which
are
signs
that
are
non-commercial
and
less
than
square
feet.
P
So
that
may
be
a
sign
that
says
you
know,
exit
fire
access
or
whatever,
as
long
as
it's
smaller
than
four
square
feet
and
doesn't
have
any
commercial
content
that
doesn't
count
against
that
100
square
feet.
The
other
signs
that
don't
count
against
that
100
square
feet
are
window
science,
they're,
not
they're,
sort
of
freebies.
You
get
a
certain,
but
you
can
cover
a
certain
amount
of
the
window,
but
they
don't
count
against
that.
Most
other
signs
are
going
to
count
and
certainly
any
any
sign.
That's
commercial
will
count
against
that
100
square
feet.
Commissioner,.
B
G
G
O
P
O
B
P
Retail
is
not
specifically
defined;
it
is
articulated
in
the
use
classification
system
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
which
provides
examples.
So
the
use
classification
system
for
retail
has
three
segments,
so
sales
and
service
or
sales
service
and
repair
three
different
types
of
retail.
Those
are
the
only
and
the
examples
provided
under
that
are
the
things
that
you
would
expect
so
like
watch
repair
books.
P
The
things
that
you
would
expect
to
find
under
those
categories
are
the
only
things
that
are
actually
defined
as
retail,
but
the
proposed
amendment
allows
this
additional
sign
area
for
any
frontage
that
includes
a
space
approved
for
retail.
So
the
way
the
word
retail
equivalent
never
shows
up
in
the
zoning
ordinance
right.
That's
a
term
that's
defined
and
articulated
in
the
Arlington
County
retail
plan.
A
retail
equivalent
is
a
use
that
sort
of
looks
acts
and
functions
like
retail.
P
If
it
does
that,
meaning
it's
open
the
same
hours,
it
has
transparency
like
retail,
does,
and
it's
functioning
in
all
the
ways
that
we
expect
retail
the
function.
Then
the
Zoning
Administrator
can
approve
that
use
in
a
space
approved
for
retail,
so
the
same
use
like
if
it's
only
open
three
hours
a
day
may
be
allowed
as
a
retail
equivalent
in
one
location,
but
not
in
it
in
another,
I
just
said
that
backwards
o
if
it's
open
the
hours
that
retails
are
open,
it
can
be
approved
as
a
retail
equivalent.
P
B
P
B
P
B
Point
so
what
I
really
want
to
and
is,
as
we
evolved,
hopefully
with
with
time
and
our
definition
of
of
retail
and
retail
equivalents
in
the
way
that
we're
using
our
ground
floor
spaces
as
that
evolved?
Is
it
your
premise,
staffs
premise
that
the
way
the
amendment
is
written
by
referring
to
retail
sort
of
in
this
broadly
defined
use
that
that
would
capture
that,
as
that,
as
our
definition
of
retail,
most
fo
revolves?
That
would
that
would
this
would
capture
that
I.
L
I
don't
know
question
but
I
know
commissioner
Gary
and
asked
if,
if
the,
if
I
was
happy
with
the
way,
we
landed
on
the
definition
for
parks
and
open
space,
I
don't
know
Commissioner
lintel.
He
wants
to
weigh
in
here
as
well
I'm
happy
with
where
we
landed
with
respect
to
definition
and
I'm,
also
happy
with
where
we
landed
with
respect
to
the
public
access
easement
issue
as
well.
Okay,.
K
K
B
We're
getting
ready
to
actually
then
we
will
segue
to
that
issue
having
to
do
with
the
public
access
easement.
They
sort
of
this
nation.
The
idea
of
staffs
proposed
language
as
and
then
the
alternative
language
that
was
also
advertised
by
the
board
and
I
think
that
it's
favored
by
the
public
speakers
and
some
of
the
other
written
testimony
that
we
submitted
to
us,
commissioner
Siegel
so.
P
E
P
I
I
So
provides
an
unenclosed
Parker
Plaza
shown
in
an
adopted
sector.
Small
area
of
the
vitalization
plan,
or
an
unenclosed
Park
or
Plaza,
located
as
required
by
an
approved
site
plan,
condition
that
how
are
we
to
read
the
I
thought
you
I'm
just.
Can
you
just
go
through
what
you
said?
I
really
was
confused
by
it.
P
Sure
staffs
proposal
proposal.
P
B
P
Yes,
so
just
sort
of
starting
with
staffs
intent
with
this
amendment,
one
of
the
goals
that
we've
articulated
for
this
amendment
is
to
really
tie
the
sign
area
allowed
for
retail
and
and
our
our
configuration
and
regulation
of
retail
throughout
the
county,
with
retail
plan
policies
and
with
our
public
open
space
policies.
The
2015
retail
plan
articulates
and
what
we're
trying
to
to
further
emphasize
with
this
amendment
is
that
successful
retail
is
predicated
not
just
on
having
signage
and
visibility,
but
also
on
being
associated
with
a
very
successful
and
well-functioning
and
well-configured
public
realm.
P
So,
as
part
of
this
amendment
and
the
additional
sign
area,
staff
is
really
marrying
those
two
ideas
to
ensure
that
the
retail
is
accessible
for
a
range
of
reasons,
and
it's
it's
really
going
to
be
successful
when
we
have
it
when
we
have
a
successful
place.
This
is
emphasized
in
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan.
P
What
we
think
is
that
by
not
requiring
the
public
access,
easement
you're,
going
to
inadvertently
capture
a
bunch
of
areas
that
are
just
unintended
more
so
than
you're
going
to
miss
out
on
areas
that
don't
have
public
access,
easements
and
I
guess.
I
would
also
add
that
sort
of
kind
of
moving
forward
and
really
looking
backwards
for
the
last
ten
years.
The
county
has
consistently
required
public
access,
easements
or
public
ownership
over
these
spaces
that
are
planned.
P
Public
spaces
shown
in
our
sector
and
small
area
plans,
but
also
some
that
aren't
so,
for
example,
the
the
plaza
at
Marymount,
which,
as
you
know,
for
those
who
worked
on
that
project
recently,
that
was
in
an
unplanned
area,
it
wasn't
captured
in
an
area
plan.
It
went
through
a
special
glup
study
and
that
public
plaza
associated
with
that
building
had
a
lot
of
sort
of
public
effort
put
into
it
in
terms
of
the
design.
It
has.
P
A
landscape
require
plan
requirement
again
to
ensure
that
that
Plaza
is
going
to
be
really
well
functioning
as
well
as
accessible
to
the
public.
You
know
when
you
don't
have
a
public
access
easement
that
plaza
could
be
closed
at
any
time
and
not
accessible
to
the
public
and
lastly,
I
guess
I
had
another
point:
Oh
could.
B
P
And
there
certainly
are
costs
associated
with
adding
an
easement.
In
addition,
you
know
the
county
does
not
charge
for,
for
granting
an
easement
I
mean.
Certainly
the
county
is
not
going
to
grant
use
them
in
an
area
where
we're
not
interested
in
having
an
easement,
but
if
the
county
is
interested,
there's
no
charge
for
that
use
m't.
There
is,
however,
a
there's:
a
plat
review.
That's
required,
there's
a
charge
for
the
review
of
the
plat.
It's
a
three
hundred
and
thirty
dollar
charge
per
plat.
P
It's
a
process
that
takes
that
review
is
a
couple
months
if
it's
a
easement
that
is
not
either
required
by
an
adopted
site
plan
or
in
a
subdivision
which
isn't
really
as
relevant
here.
It
would
also
require
county
board
approval,
so
there
would
be
an
additional
board
acting
action,
so
certainly
the
applicant,
if
they
have
legal
fees
or
legal
advice
associated
with
that
also
required
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
plat
or
as
part
of
the
plat
review.
P
Application
would
be
a
current
survey,
so
if
they
don't
have
one
that
applicant
would
probably
reach
out
to
a
third
party
and
there
would
be
a
fee
associated
with
that
which
I'm
sure
would
vary.
It's
not
something
that
the
county
does.
So
there
are
costs
associated
and,
as
mr.
Prichard
indicated,
if,
for
some
reason,
the
property
owner
wants
to
vacate
that
easement.
P
At
some
point
there
is
a
cost
associated
with
the
vacation
of
an
easement,
so
there
are
certainly
costs
associated
with
that,
but
the
way
again
sort
of
looking
at
sort
of
consistent
practice
in
terms
of
how
we
regulate
these
types
of
properties
moving
forward.
This
is
how
we
do
it,
and
I
would
say
that
we
ran
into
the
similar
issue
in
2012
when
we
did
a
comprehensive
update
to
the
sign
regulations
at
that
time.
P
You
know
the
process
was
that
an
applicant
could
sort
of
ask
for
anything.
They
wanted
that
wasn't
in
the
ordinance
and
the
county
board
could
approve
it
that
doesn't
exist
anymore.
So
when
we
codified
kind
of
administrative
regulations
for
signs
we
were
looking
at,
we
have
over
400
comprehensive,
signed
plans
out
there.
We
have
over
400
site
plans
out
there.
P
We
haven't
consistently
done
things
the
same
way
for
as
long
as
the
county
has
regulated
land
use,
but
in
creating
a
zoning
ordinance,
amendment
staff
thinks
it's
prudent
to
sort
of
to
create
regulations
that
work
moving
forward
in
terms
of
how
we
regulate
land
and
because
this
proposal
is,
is
consistent
with
a
very
involved
discussion
in
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan,
which
sort
of
provides
the
example
of
the
properties
that
don't
quite
fit.
This
provision
we're
comfortable
moving
forward
with
with
a
requirement
for
the
easement
all.
J
Were
my
precise
questions?
How
difficult
would
this
be
for
someone
wanting
to
come
in
now
and
get
this
public
access
easement
recorded
and
it
sounds
like
there's
a
$330
fee
to
review
the
plat
plus,
whatever
costs
are
necessary
for
the
survey
and
the
survey
is
triggered
if
there
hasn't
been
one
within
a
certain
time
frame.
The.
P
P
So
it's
a
minimum
about
three
months
process.
I
will
say
that
in
my
discussions
with
real
estate,
something
like
that
is
typically
once
it
gets
to
the
board.
A
pretty
easy
process
often
goes
through
on
the
consent
agenda
not
guaranteed,
obviously,
but
kind
of
once
it
gets
it's
gone
through
the
review.
It's
a
pretty
easy
process
in
terms
of
the
board
approving
something
like
that.
Thank.
G
You,
mr.
Ghoshal,
my
first
question
is
a
follow-up
to
yours
and
then
a
comment
for
us
all
to
consider.
First
of
all,
I'll
go
with
the
comment
when
we
think
about
the
cost
and
I
know:
miss
Albert's
got
the
filing
fees
for
the
county.
We
also
have
to
remember
that
assumes
two
very
important
things:
one,
a
single
owner
who
owns
their
entire
property
outright
without
having
to
seek
consent
from
either
their
investment
firms
like
banks
or
their
own
investors.
G
So
as
we
think
about
the
sort
of
process
that
mechanics
an
organization
might
have
to
go
through,
that
owns
a
100
plus
million
dollar
building,
you
know
think
about
that
sort
of
process,
not
only
in
doing
it
but
vacating.
Basically,
your
rights
as
an
owner,
which
is
what
an
easement
does,
but
my
question
to
miss
Albert
is
a
follow
up
to
Commissioner
gut
Shaw's
question.
G
P
G
P
Have
any
examples
to
share
with
you
and
again
I'm
I
would
say
that
that's
not
the
major
driving
factor
in
terms
of
requiring
the
public
access,
easement
I
just
went
through
a
long
list
of
policy
of
policies
that
are
consistent
with
this
proposal.
So
I
would
say
that
that's
just
just
one
thing
that
we
considered
okay.
K
You
I
agree
with
Commissioner
Hughes
I
think
the
cost
isn't
simply
on
the
county
side,
which
does
seem
to
be
fairly
small
for
these
large
developments.
It's
on
the
only
property
owner
side,
I
think
that
the
comments
are
fair,
that
caught
the
lender.
Covenants
have
to
be
addressed.
If
you
have
multiple
ownership,
such
as
a
condo,
you
have
to
get
the
entire
condo
association
on
board
or
the
coop
on
board.
It's
not
simple.
It's
going
to
take
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
quite
a
bit
of
money.
K
It's
going
to
inevitably
have
to
have
legal
review
before
it
can
be
moved
forward
to
the
county
side.
It's
it
is
not.
It
is
a
complex
and
probably
a
fairly
expensive
proposition
in
order
to
get
a
few
more
signs
the
either
the
sides
are
good
or
they're,
not
regardless
of
whether
it's
an
easement,
whether
it's
public,
easement
or
it's
privately
owned.
Do
we
want
the
signs?
Want
the
slides,
I,
don't
see
the
nexus
between
the
two
Commissioner.
B
I'm
Tommy
I
think
they
would.
Staff
has
addressed
the
issue
for
us
and
so
now
it'll
be
among
this
commission.
Rather,
you
want
to
make
a
motion
and
we
can
debate
that
amongst
ourselves,
but
I
wanted
to
save
miss
Albert
from
having
to
get
into
it.
The
bait
with
you
on
the
specific,
unless
I
did
an
additional
point.
You
wanted
to
make
Miss.
P
Because
I
do
have
two
brief
points
on
and
I
will
try
to
be
brief.
I
mean
one.
The
goal
in
these
cases
is
is
to
get
public
accents
over
the
public
access
easements
over
the
spaces
that
are
planned
to
be
public
spaces
anyway.
So
this
is
just
something
that
helps
encourage
property
owners
to
come
into
consistency
with
that
goal.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
that
there
are
other
ways
that
that
these
properties
can
access
sign
area.
P
So,
for
example,
if
a
property
has
a
really
short
street
frontage-
and
it's
got
to
retailer
fronteirs
on
that
to
retailers
on
that
short
street
frontage
under
even
the
existing
adopted
formula,
that
property
is
going
to
get
at
least
60
square
feet
of
sign
area
for
each
for
each
business
in
that
building.
That
has
an
exterior
public
entrance.
So
there
are
other
ways
and
that
sort
of
illustrated
in
the
two
diagrams
that
I
showed
so
getting
the
public
access.
Easement
you're
right
may
not
be
sort
of
from
a
cost
benefit.
P
P
I
also
want
to
add
that
this
is
proposed
to
be
an
administrative,
Lee
and
administrative
Lea
approved
provision,
so
the
Zoning
Administrator
needs
to
be
able
to
look
at
this,
and
the
idea
here
is
to
come
up
with
really
clear
criteria
that
makes
it
easy
to
administer,
and
it
also
creates
an
expectation
for
the
property
owner.
The
clearest
way
to
do
this
is
to
require
a
public
access.
Easement,
there's
no
debate
there.
P
O
What
would
be
the
additional
burden
on
the
county
and
perhaps
even
on
the
property
owners,
to
do
something
short
of
an
easement
like
a
contractual
arrangement
that
the
county
owners
would
present?
You
know
what
would
represent.
Excuse
me
that
the
property
owners
would
represent
a
certain
amount
of
openness
or
that
that
it
would
be
open
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
or
that
it
wouldn't
be
closed
off
to
the
public
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
wouldn't
actually
be
so
right,
surrendering
as
actual
easement
I.
P
Would
say:
I
guess
that
that
would
probably
come
in
the
form
of
language
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and-
and
you
know,
the
open
to
the
public
could
be
qualified
as
24/7
or
something
like
that,
I,
don't
I!
Guess
I
can't
speak
to
the
the
legal
options
in
terms
of
to
whether
there's
some
other
contractual
arrangement.
But
again
I
will
add
that
that
that
the
goal
for
the
county
and
to
create
good
public
open
spaces
is
to
have
that
surrendering
of
rights.
That
does
come
with
up
with
the
public
access
easement.
N
Currently
we
allow
signage
at
retail
on
plazas
whether
they
have
a
public
access,
easement
or
not.
Right,
there's
no
hope,
there's
no
prohibition
to
this.
That's
correct
right,
and
so
what
we're
talking
about
in
this
amendment
is
getting
additional
signage.
So,
right
now
from
the
aggregate
sign
area,
any
landlord
can
assign
sign
space
anywhere
in
the
building,
that's
in
conformance
with
under
14
all
the
rest
of
it.
Yes,
okay,
so
we're
talking
about
an
extra.
N
Many
planning
commissioners
attended
the
SPRC
on
the
Roslyn
City
Center.
We
had
quite
an
extensive
discussion
about
how
much
public
access
easement,
how
big
it
should
be
for
a
second-story
plaza
that
has
retail
fronting
it
and
I
dare
say
that
SPRC
very
much
came
down
on
the
side
that
there
should
be
full
public
access,
easement
there,
so
I
realized
this
is
this
is
now
Crystal.
N
City
was
then,
but
I
think
we
affirm
to
ourselves
through
those
discussions
how
very
important
having
a
public
access
easement
over
these
plazas
is
and
that
we
have
tools
in
our
zoning
code
that
allow
signage
that
allow
outdoor
seating
that
to
everything.
But
what
is
public?
What
feels
like
the
public
realm
and
is
part
of
the
deal
needs
to
be
that
so
I
very
much
appreciate
mr.
N
pritchards
testimony
and
I
I
heard
you
know
there
are
the
liabilities,
there's
the
vertical
condo
there's
the
issues
as
as
other
commissioners
have
mentioned,
that
you
have
all
these
ownership
entities
and
I
think
we'll
gosh.
That's
there
still
exists
when
we
have
a
site
plan
come
in
but
sort
of
the
difference
there.
Is
it
we're
in
horse-trading
mode
right,
we're
in
well,
we
get
a
new,
they
get
a
new
building.
Okay!
N
Well,
we'll
give
you
a
public
access
easement
over
this
land
that
you've
been
using
anyway,
you
know
I
get
that,
but
if
they
want
to
help
their
tenant,
their
retail
tenant
have
extra
signage.
Now
this
is
again
over
and
above
what
they
can
give
them
now,
then,
maybe
they
need
to
be
the
ones
to
step
up
and
do
something
for
their
tenant
and
go
ahead
with
that
easement,
which
they
would
be
perfectly
willing
to
do.
M
In
a
scenario
where
the
second
floor,
retail
just
isn't
working
for
whatever
reason,
but
this
access
easement
has
been
granted
what
happens
in
a
scenario
when
the
building
owner
wants
to
change
the
use
of
that
space?
How
the
what
and
it's
no
longer
appropriate
for
general
public
access
are
they
restricted?
Do
they
have
to
maintain?
Well.
B
We
can
ask
miss
Albert
to
answer
that.
I
will
say
that
I
need
a
little
clarification
on
your
question
because
you
mentioned
second
floor
retail
and
that's
actually
our
next
topic.
We're
going
to
talk
about
is
the
route
is
the
request
for
for
a
different
requirement
in
terms
of
access
to
second
floor
meeting.
Does
it
have
direct
access
to
the
street,
or
can
it
be
through
a
common
elevator?
That's
a
different
part
of
what
works
at
what
we're
talking
about
right
now.
B
B
M
Floor
is
simply
because
that
could
be
more
difficult
and
and
so
in
a
in
a
situation
where
you
grant
access
easements,
but
over
time,
the
building
owner
determines
that
the
concept
of
retail
is
just
not
working
and
they
want
to
use.
They
want
to
change
the
use
of
that
space.
How
is
the
easement
impacting
that
decision?.
B
P
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
tying
the
second
storey
retail
to
to
the
public
access
easement.
But
let
me
try
to
answer
the
question
in
a
different
way
and
we'll
see
if
this
sort
of
gets
at
the
point
you're
trying
to
make
say
you
have
second
storey
retail,
which,
under
this
proposed
amendment,
also
qualifies
you
for
additional
sign
area.
If
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
second
storey
retail
is
not
doing
well,
the
applicant
comes
in
and
says
we
want
to
change
that
second
storey
to
office.
P
B
The
second
storey
example
may
may
have
conflated
the
issue
just
a
little
bit,
I
think
but
I
think
I
believe
in
now.
You
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
this
hour.
I
think
that
the
answer
to
your
question,
commissioner
Rick's,
is
that
the
easement
once
granted
is
not
tied
to
the
signage
or
retail
or
it's
a
grit
will
be
an
easement
that
is,
is
imperfect,
is
in
perpetuity
and
until
the
board
then
would
approve
vacating
the
easement,
for
whatever
reasons
down
the
road
that
easement
is
locked
in,
they
are
not
linked
to
each
other.
B
E
N
N
P
So,
starting
with
the
direct
access,
I
want
to
start
with
the
adopted
formula
for
allocating
sign
area.
Today,
the
adopted
formula
for
allocating
sign
area
I
mentioned
that
if
you
have
less
than
60
feet
of
frontage
and
you
have
an
exterior
and
an
entrance,
then
as
part
of
the
overall
sign
area
that
you're
allocated
for
that
property,
you
can
get
at
least
60
feet
for
any
business
in
that
building
that
has
less
than
60
feet
of
frontage
as
long
as
it
has
an
exterior
entrance.
So
this
is
sort
of
carrying
that
concept
forward.
P
The
reason
we
have
that
concept
is
because,
if
you
were
to
say
you
have
an
interior,
whether
it's
a
small
mall
or
you
know,
of
retail
that's
accessed
from
an
interior
hallway.
If
you
were
to
provide
sign
area
for
every
single
retailer,
60
feet
of
sign
area
for
every
single
retailer
in
that
building,
you
would
end
up
with
an
excess
amount
of
sign
area
for
the
property.
P
One
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
manage
here
is
to
provide
an
appropriate
amount
of
sign
area
and
we're
not
trying
to
incentivize
retail,
that
is
interior,
oriented
again
everything
we
know
about
retail
today
and
our
retail.
Our
retail
policy,
really
marries
the
idea
of
successful
retail
being
married
with
a
successful
and
functional
public
realm
where
there
are
interior
retails.
There's
nothing
precludes
the
property
owner
from
having
signs
for
interior
tenants
on
the
outside
of
the
building.
As
long
as
that
business
is
in
the
building,
it
can
have
a
sign.
P
It
just
comes
out
of
the
sign
area
allocated
for
the
property
and
kind
of
throughout
this.
This
exercise
I've
been
encouraging
people
to
really
think
about
this
as
sign
area
for
a
property.
This
is
not
sign
area
for
this
retailer
and
for
this
retailer,
and
for
this
retailer
it
is
sign
area
for
the
property.
The
way
we
allocate
sign
area
in
Arlington
is
is
typical.
As
far
as
the
way
sign
area
is
allocated
throughout
the
nation.
One
square
foot
of
sign
area
per
foot
of
linear
building
frontage
is
typical.
P
It
would
be
rare
and
unusual
for
interior
tenants
to
be
allocated
their
own
sign
area.
We
would
just
end
up
with
an
excess
amount
of
signage,
so
similarly,
we've
tied
that
same
concept
to
second-story
retail,
second-story
retail
gets
that
extra
sixty
square
feet
of
signage
today.
So
by
you
know,
by
creating
this
extra
additional
sign
area,
it
just
means
that
second-story
tenants
that
have
long
frontages
may
get
more
than
the
60
square
feet
of
frontage
again
as
long
as
they
are
interacting
with
the
public
realm.
P
As
far
as
the
second-story
staff
incorporated
two
stories
of
retail
in
this
proposed
amendment,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
topography
in
this
county,
you
know
the
county's
retail
policy
addresses
ground-floor
retail.
It
doesn't
encourage
nor
discourage
second-story
retail
and
we
do
have
it
in
a
number
of
places
because
of
the
topography
we
have
in
the
county.
We
have
a
lot
of
buildings
that
have
you
know
the
first
floor
on.
P
One
story
is
the
second
floor
in
another
story,
so
on
on
that
other
I'm,
sorry
facade
on
that
other
facade,
you're
going
to
have
two
stories
of
retail.
This
is
the
situation
that
we're
trying
to
account
for
here,
but
we're
not
trying
to
encourage
second
story.
Retail
necessarily
the
retail
plan
doesn't
do
that.
We're
not
trying
to
drive
retail
policy
through
sign
regulations.
P
It's
really
just
acknowledging
that
second
story:
retail
does
exist
in
some
places,
but
you
know
these
are
signs
that
are
placed
below
a
height
of
40
feet,
and
we
do
believe
that
what
we're
proposing
here
is
a
significant
amount
of
additional
sign
area
for
a
number
of
properties
throughout
the
cow.
It
is
an
appropriate
amount
of
sign
area
for
our
mixed-use
buildings.
Okay,.
B
Before,
let's
and
stay
on
this
before
we
get
to
the
third
and
upper
story
issue,
so
a
a
follow
up
question
I
have
is
the
the
market
common.
It
was
done
under
the
the
old
way
that
you
describe
where
we
had
its
own
comprehensive
plan.
That
was
part
of
the
site
plan
comprehensive,
signed
plan.
If
it
didn't
have
a
comprehensive
signed
plan
that
was
adopted
as
part
of
that
site
plan,
and
it
was
to
be
done
under
the
existing
rules.
B
P
P
P
P
P
Is
a
lot
of
frankly,
so
a
comprehensive
plant
sign
plan
can
apply
not
can
apply
to
one
building
or
to
a
group
of
buildings,
and
the
market
common
site
plan
incorporates
more
than
just
the
shopping
center.
So
without
doing
a
detailed
review
of
that
site
plan,
I
did
review
the
staff
report
from
1999
that
I
think
it
was
99
that
approved
the
sign
area
for
that
property,
and
it's
just
it's
it's
difficult
to
articulate
what
they
would,
how
they
did
that
math
and
what
it
would
get
and
how
much
frontage
I
had
well.
B
B
They're,
not
retailers
right
now,
but
I
could
kind
of
picture
that
somebody
might
want
to
open
something
up
there
some
point
and
would
then
want
to
have
a
shine,
but
this
would
not.
The
signage
would
have
to
come
from
the
the
overall
building
frontage,
because
this
would
not
qualify
for
additional
second-story
because
they
don't
have
one
door
per
tenant.
It's
one
door
that
goes
in
and
then
opens
up
to
several
tenants.
B
P
Yeah
I
mean
another
example
is
Buckingham.
Buckingham
is
a
good
example,
because
Buckingham
is
also
a
historic
district,
so
it
signs
are
also
really
regulated
through
the
H
ALR
B
and
when
we
redid
the
and
that's
a
c2
district,
so
it
doesn't
qualify
for
any
of
this,
but
just
as
an
example
of
where
they're
second-story
retail,
you
know
that
the
second-story
retailers
don't
have
as
much
sign
area
as
do
the
ground
story
retails,
because
they
don't
have
that
exterior
door.
They
weren't
allocated
additional
sign
area
they're,
also
under
H
ALR
B
review.
P
B
P
Would
mean
it's
something
in
between
those
two
things.
An
example
I
like
to
use
is,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
in
Columbia
Heights
in
Washington,
DC,
there's
a
target
and
a
bunch
of
other
businesses
and
marshals
or
a
bunch
of
businesses
in
one
building
that
building
has
science
all
the
way
up
and
down
the
building.
You
know,
one
of
the
reasons
we
regulate
science
is
is
for
aesthetics,
so
you
know
what
I
think
is
an
excess
amount,
may
not
be
what
you
think
is
an
excess
amount.
P
So
no,
there
is
no
definition,
but
we
are
trying
to
provide
an
appropriate
amount
of
siren
area
and
I
think
that
what
staff
would
propose,
and
what
we've
heard
from
from
applicants
is
that
the
amount
of
sign
area
that's
currently
provided
under
the
ordinance
is
adequate
for
our
typical
mixed-use
building.
Where
we
have
retail
on
one
story,
we
don't
have
a
public
plazas
just
facing
a
public
street.
P
This
is
a
formula,
that's
worked
for
a
number
of
years
and
we,
you
know,
we
have
enough
experience
with
the
revised
sign
regulations
at
this
point
to
see
how
it's
been
applied.
I,
don't
think
we
have
an
excess
amount
of
sign
area,
we're
trying
to
sort
of
maintain
that
you
know.
Once
you
go
overboard,
you
can't
go
back,
it's
very,
very
difficult
to
kind
of
unravel
you
can
unravel,
but
the
buildings
that
already
have
their
signs
are
already
going
to
have
their
signs.
But
there.
B
P
I'm
not
comfortable
I'm,
not
comfortable,
opening
that
I
don't
again
I
might
have
a
different
opinion
than
other
staff,
but
I
think
that
we
have
provided
and
adequate
amount
of
sign
area.
We
think
this
formula
works.
It's
the
formula
that
we've
been
using
for
years.
I
will
say
that
under
the
old
pools
it
was
interpreted
very
loosely.
Some
signs
were
just
sort
of
not
counted,
so
it's
like
you
get
X
amount
of
sign
area,
but
then
you
get
all
these
other
signs
that
don't
count.
P
So
it
is
a
real
little
hard
to
sort
of
gauge
how
much
sign
area
certain
properties
got
in
the
past,
but
it
has
worked
reasonably
well
moving
forward
and
again
anecdotally
for
your
sort
of
standard
building,
with
one-story
of
retail.
We've
heard
that
it
does
work
fairly.
Well,
it's
also,
though,
it's
similar
to
the
formula
it's
used
in
many
other
jurisdictions
throughout
the
county.
I
mean
country.
You
know
there
are
places
that
say,
give
you
one
and
a
half
or
two
or
more
in
a
central
business
district.
P
O
P
They
feel
that
they
don't
need
it.
I
mean
I,
can't
answer
for
them,
but
not
every
property
uses
all
the
sign
area.
Even
under
the
old
rules.
Not
every
property
asks
for
all
the
sign
area
that
it's
it's
allocated
under
the
formula
and
under
the
old
rules.
Sometimes
they
were
asking
for
more.
That's
no
longer
an
option,
but
many
properties
did
not
use
all
of
their
sign
area
it.
Just
it
really
depends
on
how
the
property's
configured,
how
many
Street
frontage
is.
It
has
Penrose.
P
B
Way,
I
believe
it
I'm
I
can
speak
from
experience
and
tell
you
that
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
property
owners
who
hold
some
of
them
back
in
reserve,
because
if
they
want
to
attract
a
new
tenant
at
some
point,
they
want
to
be
that's
a
bargaining
chip.
That's
something
they
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
accommodate
a
potential
new
tenants
desired,
sign
airy
and
it
gets
a
lot
easier
not
to
have
to
take
it
from
somebody
else
or
to
try
to
re
reconfigure.
N
Just
have
a
I've
been
trying
to
reconcile,
in
my
my
mind
how
Boston
Quarter
is
going
to
work
with
this
amendment
and
and
the
only
reason
I
say
that
is
that
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
renderings.
You
know
we
have
my
gun
city
and
all
of
those
retailers
have
their
signs,
but
it's
all
interior
to
the
building.
There
are
some
exterior
signs,
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
whether
any
of
those
businesses
have
an
exterior
entrance
right.
N
N
But
not
all
of
the
businesses,
not
all
of
the
retailers
inside,
because
you
could
see
where
you
have
a
mall
situation
and
you
have
several
retailers.
You
could
use
up
aggregate
sign
area
pretty
quickly
right
without
unless
you
got
some
some
bonuses.
But
you
don't
need
to
worry
about
that
in
the
enclosed
mall
model,
with
Boston
quarter,
they're
turning
them
all
inside
out
and
having
more
exterior
accessed
retail
and
retail
that
isn't
going
to
be
facing
inward
in
a
closed
building.
N
It's
going
to
be
outward
so
if
it's
outward
I,
don't
think
on
the
second
story
and
I
seem
to
remember,
there
was
a
second
story
that
was
open.
Each
retailer
is
not
going
to
have
a
staircase
that
goes
up
to
it,
so
I'm
thinking
that
when
they
come
for
sign
area,
they're
going
to
have
to
use
for
those
second
stories,
part
of
their
aggregate.
N
P
P
That's
corrected:
there's
only
two
regional
shopping
centers
in
the
in
the
county,
there's
Pentagon,
City,
Fashion,
Center
and
there's
Boston
Quarter.
So
those
are
the
two
properties
that
would
qualify
for
the
regional
shopping
center
sign
provisions.
Everyone
else
is
going
to
access
these.
Thank
you
right.
B
N
Well,
just
if
I
just
to
keep
thinking
about
it,
you're
right,
I,
hadn't,
I'd,
sort
of
forgotten
about
that.
We
would
do
special
rules
regional,
but
then
the
question
comes.
If
we
have
older
buildings
that
decide
to
rehab
and
open
up
again
a
second
story
and
somehow
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
where
it
might
happen.
But
it's
a
smaller
building
well
I
suspect
that
Rosslyn
City
Center
might
be
one
of
those
that
it's
a
mall.
It
was
a
Maltin
closed,
they're
going
they're
proposing
to
change
parts
of
it.
N
N
G
B
P
P
If
there's
four
stories
of
retail,
we
really
don't
want
to
see
signs
all
up
and
down
the
bill,
and
if
you
were
to
provide
sign
area
for
four
times
the
street
frontage,
you
still
have
the
same
amount
of
street
frontage,
whether
it's
one
story
or
eight
stories
of
retail,
so
staff
proposes
that
providing
that
additional,
basically
doubling
the
amount
of
already
doubling
the
amount
of
sign
area
available
for
that
frontage
is,
is
appropriate
and
more
than
that
would
be
in
excess.
So.
B
Is
there
does
the
board
have
at
its
disposal
or
community
I
should
say,
let's
say,
for
example,
I
happen
to
personally
think
I
went
to
the
automatic.
You
know,
pop-up
art
display
in
Crystal
City
that
essentially
turned
you
know
an
office
building
into
what
can
almost
be
viewed
as
individual
retail
for
shops
for
art.
So
let's
say
that
that
was
very,
very
successful.
It
was
successful.
B
Somebody
wanted
to
do
that,
wanted
to
turn
a
vacant
office
building
into
almost
like
an
indoor,
mall
kind
of
thing,
but
wanted
to
do
something
really
creative
and
signage
to
make
that
work
and
getting
setting
aside
for
the
for
the
moment.
What
is
our
definition
as
a
community
of
excess
signage
if
this,
if
the
board
and
felt
that
this
was
just
not
enough
provision
and
wanted
to
approve,
in
a
specific
instance,
a
really
bold
kind
of
signage
plan
that
was
much
more
signage
than
what
this
even
these
provisions
would
allow?
Is
there
a
mechanism?
P
P
B
J
To
amend
reenact
and
we
codify
the
Ellington
County
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
additional
sign
area
for
properties
and
commercial
mixed
use.
C
districts
that
contain
retail
uses
and
certain
configurations
to
increase
the
maximum
allowed
size
of
blade
signs,
13,
7
and
CNM
districts,
and
to
make
other
related
clarifying
edits.
Sections,
13
and
18.
B
J
In
discussion,
I
want
to
say
that
I
do
feel
strongly
about
the
public
access.
Easement
I
believe
that
we
should
require
public
access
easement.
Even
given
the
thoughtful
consideration
we've
heard
from
mr.
Prichard
and
others,
we
are
currently
updating
the
public
spaces
master
plan.
This
is
related.
We
hear
all
the
time
that
we
do
not
have
enough
public
space
in
the
county
and
we
certainly
don't
have
enough
that
is
dedicated
in
perpetuity.
What
what
we're
looking
for
is
public
space
that
people
know
they
can
count
on
that
they
have
access
to.
J
J
It's
just
that
if
the
ownership
changes
or
somehow
that
that
use
gets
programmed
over
time
and
the
public
doesn't
have
that
constant
access
to
it
that
they
seem
to
have
now,
that
would
be
a
loss
for
the
community
and
that
is
specifically
called
out
in
the
Crystal
City
sector
plan.
As
always,
when
we
look
at
these
changes
to
plans
and
policies
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
is
look
at
what's
best
for
the
community
and
how
these
changes
proposed.
Changes
conform
to
existing
plans
and
policies.
K
K
We
recommend
the
language
as
advertised
by
the
count
as
advertised,
which
includes
the
bullet
point
is
open
to
the
public
is
not
separated
from
the
building
facade
by
an
off
street
parking
area,
as
at
least
a
portion
of
grade
with
the
abutting
street
or
sidewalk
is
contiguous
with
the
public
right-of-way.
So
you're.
B
I
G
Think,
as
we
drive
down
it,
we
always
see
the
noodles
and
company,
the
Chipotle,
all
the
major
tenants
that
have
the
big
bucks
that
roll
the
long
national
leases,
but
the
smaller
ones
that
are
further
back
in
there
rarely
see
the
light
of
day
and
so
I
think
about
those
when
I
say
this
and
I
say
if
it
20%
extra
is
not
excessive
on
a
public
easement
right
away,
I,
don't
see
why
it
should
be
excessive
in
the
public-private
zone.
That
being
said,
I
agree.
G
I,
hope
that
all
of
our
private
spaces
that
we
plan
for
become
public
easements
either
they
will
I,
don't
think
any
of
our
development
community
has
any
expectation
that
they
won't.
It's
just
I.
Don't
necessarily
believe
that
the
zoning
ordinance
through
the
sign
regulations
is
the
mechanism
that
we
should
be
trying
to
achieve
those
public
easements
like.
L
A
question
for
Miss
Albert
and
then
I
think
a
comment
miss
Albert,
you
mentioned,
obviously
that
this
is
going
to
be
dealt
with.
Administrative
Lea
is
the
bullet
is
open
to
the
public.
Do
you
infer
that
that's
24/7?
You
alluded
to
the
addition
of
that
language
and
you're.
One
of
your
responses,
as
you
read
it
now,
is
open
to
the
public,
mean
24/7
365
I.
P
Would
say
that
when
staff
drafted
it
then
yes,
the
expectation
is
that
it's
open
to
the
public,
but
you
know
the
current
or
future
Zoning
Administrator
could
interpret
that
in
a
different
way,
but
that
was
the
intent
that
it's
generally
open
to
the
public
like
it
would
be
if
it
had
an
easement.
Okay.
L
L
So
I
appreciate
appreciate
that,
so
my
reaction
to
the
motion
is
kind
of
a
reiteration
of
what
Commissioner,
yeah
Kamini
said
and
probably
not
as
as
well
articulated,
but
I
think
this
is
having
the
public
access
easement,
it's
consistent
with
County
County
policy.
We
want
our
public
spaces
to
be
to
have
public
access
easements
on
it,
and
this
is
in
a
well
adopted
policy.
As
commissioner
Yamini
said,
this
is
additional
sign
area.
This
is
a
benefit.
This
is
something
we
want
to
incentivize.
We
want
people
to
come
in
developers
to
come
and
do
this.
L
We
want
them
to
have
an
incentive
to
do
that.
I
understand
that
it's
a
hindrance
potentially
for
existing
parcels
into
Crystal
City
that
don't
want
to
redevelop
now
but
want
to
have
additional
sign
area,
but
we
shouldn't
let
something
that
was
built
in
1960
continue
to
hinder
us.
This
is
supposed
to
be
somewhat
forward-looking.
We
want
to
encourage
some
changes
to
happen
and
we
want
to
encourage
this
behavior
to
exist
so
I
understand
that
it's
not
without
its
costs.
L
I
I
want
to
sign
on
also
to
what
Commissioner
Sherrill
has
just
I
think
laid
out
in
for
me
a
convincing
way,
the
issue
of
the
sector
plan
and
what
it's
calling
for
it's
an
adopted
plan
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
really
look
hard
when
we
want
to
derogate
in
some
way
from
those
plans
as
a
general
matter,
I'm
always
very
concerned
about
that
plants
take
years
to
put
together
hours
and
hours
of
citizen
time,
and
they
really
need
they
need
to
be
upheld.
They
need
to
be
really.
I
I
The
issue
of
burden
on
on
the
developer
I
do
come
back
to
public
access.
Easement,
it's
something
in
perpetuity.
The
public
realm
needs
that
kind
of
support.
Recognizing.
There
is
a
sacrifice
that
we're
asking
from
the
private
sector
but
I
think
there's
a
return
in
the
long
term
to
the
private
sector
from
a
strong
and
well-managed
public
realm.
Finally,
I
would
say:
I
keep
thinking
of
pentagon
row
and
the
signage
there
is
to
me.
Quite
it.
I
You
know
what
you're
getting
when
you
when
you
go
there
I,
don't
think,
and
this
may
be
just
one
case.
Additional
signage
is
going
to
help
that
that
retail
I
think
part
of
the
problem
is
that
peg
on
row
is
just
cut
off
from
the
metro:
stop
people
who
come
to
the
shopping
center.
They
don't
know
that
those
retail
things
are
there,
because
the
wayfinding
is
bad.
The
development
just
is
just
sorts
of
it.
Could
you
have
to
go
through
the
parking
lot?
B
Right
anyone
else
want
to
speak
to
the
motion.
I
will
join
Commissioner,
Siegel
and
and
yeah
committee
and
I
think
Karen
and
troll
and
saying
that
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
we're
talking
about
Crystal
City
in
particular,
I
mean
this
is
a
very
large
land
owner
I,
don't
think.
Checking
in
with
their
investors
is
a
major
issue
for
them.
B
And
this
is
why
we
do
this,
because
planning
is
a
long-term
game
and
it
takes
I
think
the
follow-through
at
these
various
junctures
that
we
have
the
opportunities
to
actually
make
them
come
to
reality.
And
while
I
don't
question
for
a
minute.
The
intent
of
the
of
the
building
owner
of
the
property
owners
in
these
cases.
B
I
think
that
you
know
there's
a
reason
why
we
won
easements
and
it
is
to
make
it
more
difficult
so
that
one
day
you
want
to
abandoned
it
that
you
have
to
come
back
and
and
and
there
has
to
be
a
process
to
go
through
that.
So
I
think
that
crystal
city
has
a
has
a
great
future
in
front
of
it.
And
these
plazas
and
all
you
know
all
the
various
elements
of
the
public
realm
will
certainly
the
documented
in
one
way
or
the
other.
B
Why
we
set
about
to
do
this
so
I'm
very
persuaded
by
that.
So
anyone
else
would
like
to
see
with
that.
The
motion
that
is
in
front
of
us
is
an
amendment
to
the
main
motion.
It
is
that
we
would
recommend
to
the
county
board
that
they
adopt
the
for
alternative
bullets
on
our
screen
in
purple
in
lieu
of
the
second
black
bullet.
So
there
would
not
be
a
public
access,
easement
requirement.
It
would
be
the
other
four
listed
records.
That's
the
motion
in
front
of
us
all
of
those
in
favor.
B
N
Apologize
that
I
didn't
have
this
ready
earlier.
So
it's
bear
with
me
as
I.
Try
to
read
my
own
handwriting
I
move
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
county
board
that
all
language
requiring
a
second
floor
tenant
have
at
least
one
exterior
public
entrance
in
order
to
get
additional
sign
area
be
stricken
from
the
text
proposed
recommended
for
adoption.
Second,.
N
I
may
speak
just
briefly
to
this
and
I.
My
inarticulate
language
is
is
meant
to
to
remove
the
necessity
that
a
second
floor
tenant
have
a
direct
access
at
the
ground
level
in
order
to
realize
extra
sign
space
I
fully
understand
its
extra
sign.
Not
you
know
above
what
is
already
available,
but
I
just
thought
that
I'd
see
if
this
would
fly.
B
B
B
The
motion
fails
to
the
8th,
okay,
can't
say
we
didn't
try
all
right,
I
think
we're
ready
for
the
main
motion,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
the
main
motion,
which
is
just
adoption
as
per
a
recommending
adoption,
as
proposed
by
staff.
There
are
no
amendments
from
the
Planning
Commission,
those
in
favor
of
the
main
motion.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
that
motion
carries
unanimously
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
stuff,
so
it
is
10
o'clock
a
little.
It's
a
few
minutes
before
10:00.
B
O
R
A
U
Evening,
thank
you
again.
My
name
is
Brett
Wallace
on
with
the
plan
division,
urban
design,
a
research
section
and
very
pleased
to
be
here
tonight
and
I'm
joined
by
members
of
the
Rosslyn
Business
Improvement,
District,
Doug,
Plowman
and
Lucia.
The
cadre
behind
me
also,
members
from
des
staff
and
a
planning
staff
as
well
and
tonight
we're
seeking
your
recommendation
to
the
County
Board
for
adoption
of
the
Rosslyn
streetscape
elements
plan.
U
So,
in
terms
of
the
background,
the
Roslin's
sector
plan
was
adopted
in
2015
and
at
the
time
of
the
adoption,
the
streetscape
elements
were
not
finalized
and
staff
has
been
working
with
the
Business
Improvement
District
over
the
past
couple
years
to
finalize
those
documents
and
designs
and
what
we
feel
is
a
very
strong
plan.
That's
going
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
environment
in
the
public
realm
in
Rosslyn,
and
the
following.
Slides
are
some
excerpts
from
the
sector
plan,
particularly
pages
184
through
85,
and
this
is
the
streetscape
section.
U
Guidance
and
I've
highlighted
some
of
the
text.
But
just
overall,
the
the
sector
plan
really
does
embrace
the
overall
design
aesthetic
of
the
streetscape
elements
and
supports
the
future
installation
and
also
encourages
a
collaborative
process
with
the
bid
and
county
staff
to
finalize
those
elements
and
develop
a
process
for
implementation.
And
finally,
the
plan
also
includes
the
elements
that
you
see
here
on
the
slide
today
and
I
will
mention
that
the
design
aesthetic
of
these
elements
here
and
in
the
plan
has
not
changed.
U
In
fact,
we've
actually
been
working
with
the
bid
to
refine
them
and
looking
at
technical
drawings
and
details
on
how
it
gets
rolled
out
over
time
and
we've
identified
some
implementation
methods
which
I'll
go
over
shortly
and
then.
Lastly,
in
the
sector
plans
implementation
matrix
on
page
202
item
number
46
calls
for
staff
to
coordinate
with
the
rouse
and
Business
Improvement
District
to
finalize
those
elements
again
and
establish
a
process
for
implementation
and
installation.
Q
Thanks
Brett,
as
as
Brett
said
I,
my
name
is
Douglas,
plum
and
I'm,
the
oven,
planning
and
design
manager
with
the
bit.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening,
so,
firstly,
the
the
goals
of
the
plan,
really,
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
to
enhance
and
beautify
the
public
realm.
The
goal
was
to
create
custom
aesthetically,
pleasing
elements
that
have
a
cohesive
design,
so
they
want.
You
know
we
really
wanted
the
bit
the
downtown
core
of
Rosslyn
to
be
visually
unified,
as
well
as
engaging
for
the
pedestrian
to
do
this.
Q
The
bid
engaged
Ignacio
Keeney
and
your
based
industrial
designer,
with
extensive
experience
working
with
bids
and
the
new
york
city
do
t
so
in
terms
of
the
process.
What
we,
the
first
step,
was
to
take
an
initial
streetscape
inventory
of
each
element
within
the
bid
boundaries
to
identify
and
to
categorize.
Those
new
elements
were
then
designed
with
help
from
Ignacio
to
create
a
menu
of
the
elements.
Q
Q
So
there's
a
full
street-by-street
inventory
in
the
back
of
the
plan
document
wanted
to
take
a
look.
So
the
pilot
this
was
launched
in
March
2016,
and
you
can
see
here
in
the
pictures
county
board.
Member
Vice
dad
was
at
the
unveiling.
So
the
elements
of
the
pilot
included
benches
planters,
news
box,
Corral's,
litter,
bins,
bike
racks
and
an
informational
tableau
after
the
the
the
pilot
was
launched
in
March
two
months
later,
the
the
bid
sought
feedback
from
from
the
public
and
over
90
percent
of
the
responses
were
positive.
Q
You
can
see
a
detailed
breakdown
of
the
questions
and
the
responses
in
the
appendix,
and
this
this
was
in
addition
to
going
through
various
committees
and
commissions,
as
well
as
discussion
with
VHA
lrb
and
cultural
affairs
walk
arlington.
Many
different
groups
were
consulted,
so
I'm
now
going
to
walk
through
some
of
the
elements,
but
before
I
do
that
I'd
like
to
just
discuss
the
the
vendor
for
this
and
the
who's
producing
these.
Q
So
these
are
produced
by
landscape
forms,
they're
a
current
Arlington
County
vendor
and
the
been
in
business
for
over
forty
seven
years,
they're
the
sole
vendor
for
these
Allen,
which
is
the
practice
of
the
counties
used
in
the
past
past,
with
both
des
and
Parks
and
Rec.
So
the
custom
products
received
the
same
warranty
as
their
that
cust
as
their
standard
products
and
landscape
form
really
does
leave
the
market
with
regards
to
durability.
Q
The
choice
here
is
to
to
powder
coat
stainless
steel,
which
is
designed
to
both
dissipate
heat
and
shared
snow,
which
only
really
enhances
the
longevity
of
these
products.
So
the
benches
here
these
are
modeled
on
the
city
band
from
New,
York
City
and
the
the
design
which
I
think
is
really
important
here,
which
is
consistent
throughout
all
elements.
The
the
perforations
here
are
sort
of
inspired
by
the
the
rosin,
the
office,
the
the
lights
and
the
in
the
buildings.
Q
Q
Now
this
is
the
the
city
lock,
the
bike
rack,
which
meets
all
of
the
county
requirements,
and
you
can
see
in
the
middle
there,
the
the
Rosslyn
branding
the
next
one
is
the
city
charge,
which
is
a
solar
charging
movable
device
which
we
can
charge
up
to
six
different
devices
at
any
one
time.
This
can
be
moved
around
the
bid
based
on
events
that
are
taking
place
and
pedestrian
traffic
in
folk
arts
is
next.
This
is
also
removable.
You
might
have
seen
this
at
just
outside
the
the
metro
station.
Q
Q
Next
is
the
the
newspaper
corral,
the
city
Corral,
so
this
can
hold
up
to
five
different
different
vendors,
and
this
is
this.
Participation
is
completely
optional.
Protecting
First
Amendment
rights
and
is
going
to
be
on
a
vendor
by
vendor
basis,
but
really
has
the
opportunity
to
clean
up
can
sometimes
be
a
tricky.
You
know
sidewalk
element
additionally,
newspaper
vending
here
for
the
paid
paid
publications.
Very
similar
concept
as
before
next
is
the
is
the
trash
can
or
the
the
receptacles.
So
you
have
recycling
as
well
as
trash.
Q
Q
Q
The
final
element
here
is
the
is
the
parklet.
So,
in
addition
to
the
elements
we're
looking
to
do
this
is
this
would
be
the
first
parklet
within
arlington
county.
It's
envisioned
to
increase
pedestrian
space
and
to
offer
another
gathering
place.
The
particle
is
part
of
a
plan
is
is
part
of
the
plan
for
adoption
and
with
that
I'll
pass
it
back
to
Brett.
Thanks.
Thank.
U
U
So
what
what's
in
the
plan?
The
plan
is
a
collection
of
coordinated
street
furnishings,
along
with
the
parklet
prototype
for
the
installation
of
public
sidewalks
and
the
public
right-of-way
within
the
Rosslyn
bid.
It
will
be
used
as
a
companion
document
to
both
the
Rosslyn
sector
plan
and
the
Rosslyn
Boston
corridor,
streetscape
standards,
and
so
staff
will
refer
to
both
of
these
documents
during
site
plan
review
process,
both
both
pre
and
post
county
board
approval.
U
The
plan
sets
forth
goals,
elements,
recommendations,
phasing
and
design
guidelines
in
the
appendix
and
again,
the
elements
comprised
mostly
of
street
furniture
pictured
here.
I
do
want
to
stress
that
the
plan
does
not
include
any
dimensional
changes
or
changes
to
sidewalk,
paving
curbs
utilities
or
other
street
furniture.
It
is
literally
a
set
of
street
furnishings,
including
the
parklet
in
terms
of
the
phasing
which
is
on
page
27
of
the
plan
document.
U
The
phasing
is
really
meant
to
be
in
line
with
the
Rosslyn
sector
plan,
focusing
on
pedestrian
priority
streets,
retail
activity
and
where
development
is
occurring.
So
there
is
flexibility
built
into
the
phasing
to
allow
for
the
ongoing
development
in
Rosslyn
and
the
bid
will
be
providing
updates
to
the
County
Board
annually
when
the
work
plan
and
budget
is
approved.
U
So
if
there's
a
construction
project
and
phasing
has
to
be
shifted
to
another
area,
the
bid
would
provide
that
update
at
that
time
and
phase
one
does
include
the
prototype,
which
is
highlighted
in
red
on
the
corner
of
North
oak
and
Wilson
Boulevard
here,
so
in
terms
of
implementation.
This
is
also
on
page
28
of
the
plan
document
staff.
U
Really
feels
that
there
are
three
methods
that
are
going
to
be
most
common,
going
forward,
the
first
being
a
funding
request
from
the
bid
through
their
work
plan
and
budget
hearing
with
the
County
Board
approval
and
one
example
of
this
might
be
replacing
trash,
receptacles
or
recycling
bins
or
adding
some
of
the
planters
at
a
corner
to
add
greenery,
where
there's,
where
that's
lacking
the
most
common
method
of
implementation,
we
see
is,
with
new
site
plan
development
code
going
forward
again
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
will
be
a
companion
document
to
the
sector
plan.
U
There
are
a
lot
of
older
site
plans
that
may
wish
to
upgrade
their
street
furniture
and
add
new
elements
by
submitting
an
application
to
the
zoning
office
that
can
be
reviewed
and
approved
administratively
by
staff
and
the
Zoning
Administrator.
One
example
that
recently
was
jbg
recently
installed
the
furniture
at
central
place,
as
their
plan
was
approved
in
2007,
with
different
style
of
benches
and
trash
receptacles
and
bike
racks,
and
after
the
sector
plan
adoption
they
wanted
to
bring
up
upgrade
their
furnishings
to
be
compliant.
U
And
again
we
will
be
looking
at
this
plan
throughout
the
whole
review
of
any
administrative
change.
Application
for
compliance.
The
the
application
for
administrative
changes
would,
as
always,
would
include
a
letter
of
support
and
consent
from
the
property
owner
and
additional
guidance
is
listed
in
the
matrix
in
the
plan
on
pages
28
and
29.
U
So
in
terms
of
the
parklet
prototype,
fully
detailed
drawings
are
in
the
appendix
of
the
plan,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out.
This
is
a
really
a
site-specific
parklet
prototype
on
the
corner
of
North
oak
and
Wilson
Boulevard,
and
that
future
parklets
in
Rosslyn
or
elsewhere
in
the
county
will
require
a
separate
process
and
county
board
action
in
terms
of
the
design
review
staff
has
completed
the
review.
The
County
Attorney's
Office
is
working
on
a
draft
memorandum
of
agreement
for
County
Board
approval,
we're
hoping
that
that
is
ready
in
June.
U
Is
this
truly
a
public
space
and
the
answer
is
yes
and
it
will
be
signed
as
such
and
here's
a
detail
of
the
signage
that
will
be
mounted
on
the
the
edge
of
the
planter
here,
and
these
are
just
some
existing
pictures
from
where
the
park
will
prototype
will
be
located
on
North,
Oak
Street.
The
picture
in
the
upper
left
corner
shows
the
two
parking
spaces
that
will
be
converted
to
the
parklet
prototype
and
then,
in
terms
of
a
plan
view.
This
is
the
parking
location
it
is
located.
U
You
know
a
certain
distance
back
from
the
intersection
for
sight
line,
visibility
and
safety,
but
also
access
a
DA
access
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
on
the
right
side
of
it
is
a
future
Capital
Bikeshare
station
that
is
planned
to
also
serve
as
not
only
a
compatible
use
with
the
parklet,
but
also
serve
as
a
visual
and
physical
barrier
as
well.
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
that
bike
share
station
is
not
part
of
this
plan.
U
At
bike
share
has
their
own
separate
process
for
installation
and
then,
in
conclusion,
in
the
appendix
of
the
plan.
I
do
want
to
point
out
some
very
detailed
design
guidelines
that
we
prepare
for
each
of
the
elements,
and
so
this
is
just
one
example
of
the
bench
you
can
see
some
of
the
technical
drawings
on
the
dimensions.
We've
got
materials
and
finishes
the
different
color
options.
U
We
presented
at
long
range
planning
committee
the
requests
advertised
of
the
county
board
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
then
looking
ahead
at
the
17th
of
the
20th
of
the
county
board,
with
the
requested
action
for
adoption
of
the
plan
and
all
these
commissions
I
will
point
out
it
was
the
plan
was
generally
well
received
and
looking
forward
to
the
adoption,
and
so
with
that
I'll
conclude
the
presentation
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thanks.
B
L
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
so
as
mr.
Wallace
noted,
we
heard
this
as
both
an
info
and
as
a
action
item
last
week.
So
our
discussion
was
centered
mainly
on
the
Park
parklet
to
some
extent,
and
the
use
in
design
was
mr.
walls
covered
some
concern
expressed
by
at
least
one
of
the
commissioners
about
the
unfriendliness
of
the
benches
bench
design
for
homeless
people.
L
Question
about
the
MoU
that
would
follow
on
for
the
I
guess:
I'm.
Sorry,
the
MOU
for
this
process
that
would
be
adopted
by
the
board
at
the
same
time.
What
what
process
that
would
go
through
and
then
some
questions
about
kind
of
the
placement
of
the
street
furniture
and
and
whether
that
would
differ
at
all
from
existing
practice.
B
B
Thank
you
for
that
all
right.
Let's
do
public
speakers.
B
F
No
neighborhood
in
Arlington
County
has
embraced
New,
Urbanism
or
another
view
New
Urbanism
has
embraced.
No
other
neighborhood
like
Rosslyn
Boston,
is
a
close
runner-up.
When
you
voted
to
approve
the
redevelopment
of
the
block,
including
Wilson
school
in
Rosslyn,
you
heard
much
unhappiness
from
Roslyn
and
Radner
Fort
Myer
Heights
residents
about
the
redevelopment.
F
Finally,
in
the
most
recent
version
of
smart
growth,
residential
neighborhoods,
far
from
Roslin,
will
be
repurposed
into
so-called
missing
middle
missing
middle
workforce
housing
for
persons
who
work
in
vibrant
mixed-use
Rosslyn
buildings
and
earn
less
than
$40,000
a
year,
a
huge
financial
windfall
for
residential
renovation
developers
and
contractors.
Mr.
Getchell,
you
know
anybody
that
might
fit
that
category.
Mr.
Getchell,
mr.
GAO
shells
nodding.
Yes,
thank
you,
I'm
acknowledging.
B
N
The
lrpc
met
on
Monday
May
15th
to
discuss
the
proposed
new
Rosslyn
streetscape
elements
plan
that
evening,
both
mr.
Palmer
and
mr.
Wallace
gave
us
a
great
presentation
as
they
did
this
evening,
and
we
discussed
the
various
new
furniture.
We
talked
about
the
pilot
that
had
been
done
on
Wilson
Boulevard
and
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
newest
element,
which
would
be
the
parklet
some
of
the
questions
I
have
at
the
bottom
of
the
memorandum
that
I
distributed
with
the
as
the
lrpc
report.
I
think.
N
A
lot
of
these
have
actually
been
addressed
in
the
staff
report
this
evening.
One
was:
how
will
the
streetscape
elements
plan
be
used
by
staff
and
the
evaluation
of
site
plans
and
what
force
does
it
have
I
think
we
heard
this
evening.
They
will
be
using
this,
just
as
they
use
the
Rosslyn
Boston
streetscape
plan,
to
which
we
very
much
have
developers
adhere.
Will
the
bid
be
solely
responsible
for
deciding
where
new
elements
are
added
outside
the
site
plan
process
oral
County
staff
also
decide
yeah.
N
That's
one
question
we
may
still
want
to
talk
about,
even
though
there
is
the
phasing
plan
its
along.
The
blue
lines
or
the
red
lines
or
the
green
lines
at
what
point
outside
of
a
specific
site
plan
coming
before
us.
How
is
it
that
the
area
will
be
filled
in
there
was
a
question
raised
a
lrpc
about
the
cost
of
the
new
elements,
also
with
the
manufacturer,
always
have
them
available.
N
What
will
the
process
be
for
changing
or
Adam
adding
elements
to
the
streetscape
plan?
How
will
data
be
collected
to
evaluate
various
aspects
and
efficacy
of
the
trial,
parklet
and
I
think
you
there
were
some
strategies
that
staff
won
over
this
evening
and
how
will
the
public
know
they
have
access
to
the
parklet?
How
will
it
be
signed?
We
saw
an
example
of
a
rather
small
sign,
but
is
that
it
probably
aesthetically
pleasing.
B
Let's
just
open
it
up
what
I'd
like
to
do
so,
it's
10:30
is
I'd
like
to
spend
probably
about
10
or
15
minutes
on
questions.
If
we
need
that
much
time,
but
I
would
like
to
get
to
a
motion
by
10:45,
so
questions:
let's
go
first,
I'll
get
you
in
a
second
commissioner
sure
let's
go
to
Commissioner
we're
first,
please
so.
O
O
But
we're
talking
about
Roselyn
here,
I
am
still
concerned
with
the
image
of
what
could
be
understood
as
and
I
think
out
of
context.
In
this
case,
what
could
be
understood
as
hostile
architecture
but,
as
I
said
to
a
friend
of
mine,
you
know
if
citilab
were
to
run
an
article
on
the
trend
of
hostile
architecture
and
use
a
picture
of
one
of
our
benches.
My
exact
words
were
citilab
in
a
City
lab
I
mean
we
can't
really
stop
them
from
doing
that.
O
I
am
no
longer
of
the
mind
to
object
or
even
abstain
to
the
particular
element
and
I
intend
to
support
the
plan
wholeheartedly,
given
the
conversations
that
I've
had
so
just
with
the
context
of
that.
One
note
about
the
vote
of
the
concern
of
the
Transportation
Commission
I
wanted
to
tell
the
fellow
commissioners
where
I
was
in
hopes
that
that
that
might
answer
any
questions
and
potentially
close
that
loop.
If
it.
B
G
You
sure
go
Sean,
it's
not
the
only
hostile
benches
we
do
have
in
the
county.
There
are
plenty
of
others,
but
so
it
won't
just
be
the
one
to
make
citilab
my
question
with
regard
to
commissioning
a
community
on
the
the
cost,
slash
design,
replication,
vendor
I
agree.
It
sounds
like
we've
got
a
great
vendor.
Vendors
been
a
great
partner
with
the
county
for
years,
but
the
bottom
line
is,
as
vendors
always
do
and
can
change
so
do
we
own
the
county
or
the
bid,
the
design
rights
to
the
elements
that
we're
currently
recommending.
Q
L
B
M
U
So
our
standard
is
a
port
in
place
concrete
in
the
clear
sidewalk.
We
do
encourage
the
use
of
decorative
pavers
bricks,
things
of
that
nature
in
the
furnishing
zone
between
the
clear
sidewalk
and
the
curb
a
lot
of
that
is
outlined
in
the
RV
corridor,
streetscape
standards
and
other
standards
in
our
Department
of
Environmental
Services
encouraged.
U
U
B
To
interject
to
sister,
because
I
understand
your
question,
but
I
think
it
that
is
actually
not
part
of
these
streetscape
element
plants.
That's
in
a
different
document,
a
different,
but
so
I
think
it's
something
that
we
could.
If
you
wanted
more
information
on
that,
you
can
certainly
follow
up
with
staff,
but
I'm
going
to
move
us
along
because
it's
not
specifically
in
in
this
plan,
that's
in
front
of
us
this
evening.
Okay,
so
forgive
me
for
moving
that
along
commissioner
Siegel
yeah.
I
I
want
a
little
bit
of
clarification
of
a
couple
of
questions.
Then
a
couple
of
comments
bear
with
me:
I'll.
Be
brief.
On
page
three
of
the
larger
document
that
we
got
or
you
presented
in
the
first
slide,
the
sector
plan
embraces
the
overall
design,
aesthetic
of
the
streetscape
elements
envisioned
in
the
bids
master
plan.
U
I
apologize
for
the
confusion.
We
actually
address
that
in
the
staff
report,
but
initially
during
the
route,
the
rosin
sector
planning
process,
the
bid
on
their
own
initiative,
prepared
a
streetscape
master
plan
and
that's
what
this
text
was
referring
to.
So
that
may
be
a
typo
that
will
need
to
refer
to
remove
or
correct.
But
following
the
sector
plan
adoption
we
then
reevaluated
it
and
because
most
of
the
elements
are
installed
in
the
public
right-of-way.
U
I
Document
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
that
I
was
I,
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
aesthetic
I
I.
Don't
know
if
these
this
is
an
art
historians
way
of
looking
at
this,
but
I
see
it
as
functional
industrial,
modern,
the
the
aesthetic
that
runs
through
the
elements,
the
different
pieces
of
furniture
and
I.
I
My
my
personal
reaction
to
it
is
I
just
worry
that
while
I
absolutely
appreciate
the
ability
of
that
aesthetic
to
unify
one
sense
of
being
in
a
place
called
Rosslyn
and
that's
a
good
thing
and
it
won't
be
higgledy-piggledy
and
scattered
at
the
on
the
other
side
of
things.
I
just
I
just
worry
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
streets
street
furniture
to
kind
of
enliven
an
air,
yeah
and
I
had
a
question
about.
How
does
does
this?
I
Does
this
do
that
it's
very
functional,
there's
some
interesting
pieces
like
solar
charging
stations,
which
are
really
very
welcome
and
but
at
the
same
time
I
just
worry
that
it
does.
This
become
boring
and
so
I
was
happy
to
see
the
colors
that
are
recommended
and
also
going
back
to
a
question
that
was
raised.
Will
there
be
a
process
for
changing
or
adding
or
even
varying
elements
to
the
streetscape
plan?
I
Q
Q
The
point
that
you
raised
you
know
a
lot
of
the
elements
are
sort
of
the
powder
coated,
stainless
steel,
but
there's
also
the
the
plaza
chairs,
for
example,
which
are
in
the
brand
colors
of
the
bid
of
the
purple,
the
yellow,
so
that
was
certainly
in
live
and
public
spaces
and
I
think
you
know
the
park
was
certainly
an
opportunity
in
the
future,
potentially
to
have
some
more
creativity
to
come
in
I.
Think
functionality
of
these
elements
is
is
their
primary
focus
and
I.
Q
I
U
K
Following
up
on
Commissioner
Siegel's
comments,
will
you
then
also
along
these
lines,
be
keeping
the
Adirondack
chairs
that
you
put
out
in
various
spots
because
I've
seen
those
and
I
think
those
also
say
Roslyn,
they're
sort
of
the
social
aspect
of
Roslyn?
It
can
be
moved
around
a
bit
and
they're
they're,
colorful,
they're,
nice
I
think
they
fit
with
these.
You
will
be
keeping
those
then.
E
Q
Believe
so
I
think
it's
something
that
we
will
certainly
look
to
bring
in
some
more
of
the
plaza
Chas,
but
I
think
that
they
could
certainly
get
a
balance
struck
and
I
think
we
have
a
you
know
strong
inventory
of
those
currently,
so
we
were
certainly
able
to
keep
those-
and
you
know,
as
long
as
they're
working
and
functional
I
think
they
would
certainly
still
be
in
the
realm.
Okay,
all.
B
B
Okay
and
then
a
follow-up
to
the
question
of
cost
and
the
availability
in
the
future.
So
what
I've
heard
this
evening
is
it's
a
well-established
manufacturer,
so
we
don't
have
any
reason
to
believe
there
would
be
an
availability
issue
in
the
future,
but
it
is
a
proprietary
design
that
is
controlled
by
the
by
the
designer.
So
there's
not
it's
not
within
our
power
to
go
out
and
find
an
alternative
vendor.
B
B
Thank
you,
mr.
Lucci,
that's
good
good
to
know
and
and
then
so,
on,
the
on
the
question
of
cost
and
I'm
not
sure
I
want
to
get
into
very
you
know
specific
dollars
because
they
wouldn't
necessarily
have
real
meaning
to
me.
I,
don't
I,
wouldn't
want
to
hazard
a
guess
how
much
these
benches
ought
to
cost,
but
I
think.
B
The
main
point
is
if
you
could
just
confirm
for
me
that
that
you
guys
are
satisfied
through
this
process
that
we've
gone
from,
that
these
are
going
there
within
the
realm
of
reasonableness
of
cost
and
we're
not
going
to
get.
We
don't
anticipate
that
there
would
be
pushback
from
from
future
good
and
I'm
really
thinking
about
future
site
plans
where
we're
going
to
to
ask
our
property
owners
to
implement
these
and
even
I.
B
Think
I
see
the
language
that
in
there
that
is
talking
about
you
know,
even
as
potential
site
plan
amendments
come
in
we're
going
to
sort
of
expect
people
to
catch
up
to
where
to
where
we
are.
That
were
that
you
don't
anticipate
because
you
feel,
like
you've,
done
a
thorough
job
of
the
viability
and
the
economic
viability
of
these
that
they're
going
to
be
within
a
reasonable
cost
factor
for
any
of
these
property
owners.
Yes,.
B
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
that
and,
lastly,
very
sort
of
mundane
question,
but
I
do
want
to
know
what
is
the
what's
interesting:
the
the
RBI
sea
and
the
RBI
D,
so
the
the
Roslin
bid.
What's
whatever
that
just
tell
me
what
this
the
Roslin
bid,
what
is
it
it's,
the
Rosalind
Business
Improvement
Corporation
versus
the
Rosslyn
Business
Improvement
Service
District.
What
what's
the
relationship
there,
I've
never
heard
of
RBI
C
before.
B
N
B
G
B
B
B
Just
because
we
haven't
gotten
an
email,
yet
so
everyone's
calendars,
so
that's
a
week
from
tomorrow,
it'll
be
a
work
session
with
the
between
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
county
board.
We
will
be
discussing
primarily
the
implementation,
the
revisions
to
the
SPRC
procedures,
operating
guide
and
those
things
that
that
jane
talked
about
last
month
and
we'll
also
be
talking
about
opportunities,
sort
of
training
and
professional
development,
and
facilitation
for
facilitation
training
for
commissioners.
B
B
B
All
right
so
the
letters
for
this
evening
so
Commissioner
Siegel,
has
agreed
to
do
the
Williamsburg
neighborhood
conservation
plan,
update
Commissioner
Garin
you'll.
Do
the
zoning
ordinance
amendment
for
us?
Thank
you
and
Commissioner
stroll
has
agreed
to
do
the
Roslyn
streetscape
elements
plan
letter
and
then
just
a
quick
note
in
crystal
we're.
Acknowledging
is
common
earlier
that
he
was
at
Transportation
Commission,
so
after
so
effective.
Now,
basically
after
this
one
commissioners
row
will
be
resigning
from
the
Transportation
Commission
and
Commissioner
Weir
will
be
our
liaison
to
the
Transportation
Commission
from
this
point
forward.