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A
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
September
2017
hearing
of
the
Arlington
County
Planning,
Commission
I
think
we're
gonna
have
a
full
evening.
Tonight
we
are
going
to
be
hearing
the
proposal
to
lights
the
fields
at
the
Williamsburg
middle
school
campus.
The
items
that
we
hear
tonight
will
be
heard
by
the
county
board,
either
on
September
16th
Saturday,
the
16th
or
Tuesday
the
19th.
A
As
always,
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item,
you
must
fill
out
a
speaker
slip
before
the
item
is
called,
which
will
be
in
just
a
few
moments.
So
if
you
have
not
turned
in
your
speaker
slip,
please
do
so
to
the
clerk
right
over
here
to
my
right
as
a
reminder,
we
are
being
broadcast
and
recorded
both
audio
and
video.
So,
accordingly,
all
speakers
must
use
a
microphone
and
also
now's
a
great
time
to
silence
your
electronics.
Thank
you,
and
with
that,
madam
clerk,
would
you
like
to
call
the
first
item?
Please
our.
B
C
You,
mr.
chairman
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Matt
Pfeiffer
with
the
Planning
Division
I
have
a
bunch
of
staff
here
tonight
to
help
present
this
Robin
Leonard
from
DPR,
who
will
present
the
majority
of
this
presentation.
Peter
lost
calls
from
DPR
Vincent
fairway
from
DPR
Alisa
Grandal
from
DPR
and
dr.
Rubin
Verghese
from
the
public
health
department.
C
So
the
topic
tonight
is
the
use
permit
for
the
Williamsburg
School
campus,
and
particularly
this
is
being
reviewed
at
this
time
due
to
a
scheduled
review
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
athletic
fields
on
the
campus
will
be
lit.
Next
slide,
please
the
site
just
some
background.
The
site
is
located
at
3600
North
Harrison
Street.
It
is
a
25
acre
campus
with
two
schools:
three
existing
athletic
fields.
C
It
is
bound
on
the
south
by
36th,
Street,
south
or
north
excuse
me
on
the
east
and
north
by
North,
Harrison
Street
and
on
the
west
by
single-family
homes.
Next
slide,
please
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
school
board
appointed
a
building
level
planning
committee
and
the
county
board
appointed
a
public
facilities
review
committee
in
2012
to
review
a
the
addition
of
a
new
Elementary
School
on
the
Williamsburg
Middle
School
campus.
C
There
were
several
meetings
held
between
September,
2012
and
June
2013
to
determine
the
design
and
other
aspects
of
the
school
site,
which
eventually
became
a
use
permit
to
rectangular
fields
on
site,
we're
going
to
be
replaced
with
natural
grass
with
irrigation,
and
this
was
what
was
discussed
throughout
the
majority
of
the
process.
After
the
BL
PC
and
PFR
C
process
concluded,
there
was
a
directive
that
those
fields
would
be
converted
to
synthetic
and
be
lighted.
C
So
the
board
did
approve
the
use
permit
for
the
Discovery
Elementary
School
in
September
2013
scheduled
a
review
in
September
2016,
which
was
then
deferred
several
times
until
September
2017
with
construction
of
the
new
school.
The
fields
went
from
four
to
three.
There
was
a
field
lost
for
a
parking
lot.
There
was
also
an
auxilary
field
that
was
removed
where
the
school
went.
That
was,
we
used
for
youth
soccer
practices
both
during
the
spring
in
the
fall.
Two
of
the
three
fields
were
converted
to
synthetic
turf
and
an
athletic
field.
C
D
E
The
county
board:
according
appointed
the
Williamsburg
fields,
evaluation
workgroup
in
July
of
2015,
the
workgroup
was
charged
to
lead
a
robust
community
process
to
evaluate
whether
whether
or
not
to
light
the
Williamsburg
synthetic
fields
board
the
board
also
directed.
They
include
in
that
evaluation,
whether
the
environmental
noise
and
light
spillage
impacts
could
be
mitigated
significantly
to
preserve
the
neighborhood
character
and
provide
a
reasonable
quality
of
life.
The
workgroup
finished
their
work
and
submitted
their
final
report
in
February
of
2017,
and
they
were
unable
to
come
to
a
consensus.
E
E
As
noted
earlier,
the
workgroup
did
not
come
to
a
consensus,
but
in
turn
they
presented
two
views
for
our
consideration.
Please
note
that
these
are
not
county
staff
views
and
these
views
were
extracted
directly
from
the
W
fwg
report
opposed
to
lighting
and
open
to
lighting
are
the
two
views
for
consideration.
E
The
opposed
to
lighting
concerns
include
lights
will
bring
in
too
many
people
into
neighborhood,
causing
issues
with
noise
and
traffic,
the
addition
of
lights
into
a
neighborhood
that
has
never
had
or
houst
any
nighttime
activities
on
the
fields
lights,
especially
LED
lights,
may
adversely
impact
health,
and
there
are
no
good
ways
to
mitigate
these
issues
and
the
MOA
a
concern
that
an
MOA
could
not
be
enforced.
The
open
to
alighting
concerns
included
capacity
issues
are
crippling
youth
sports
in
Arlington
and
lights,
provide
more
hours
of
use
in
critical,
fall
and
spring
seasons.
E
25%
of
our
youth,
recreational
soccer
program
live
within
1.5
miles
of
the
site,
and
there
is
only
one
lighted
rectangular
field
north
of
Lehigh
way.
Health
risks
are
minimal
if
any
and
can
be
controlled
with
proper
installation
and
shielding
of
the
lights
develop
an
MOA
with
teeth
to
lay
out
operational
issues.
E
Now,
take
you
to
the
comprehensive
plan
elements
the
general
use
there
check
the
globe.
The
general
land-use
plan
is
an
element
of
the
County
Comprehensive
Plan
and
primary
policy
for
guiding
future
development
in
Arlington
the
s3.
A
special
district
is
consistent
with
the
glove
category.
Lighting
fields
at
the
site
is
considered
an
expansion
requiring
use
permit
amendment
and
a
public
school
with
lighted.
Synthetic
athletic
fields
is
consistent
with
the
glove
designation
for
this
site.
Now,
take
you
to
the
current
2005
public
spaces
master
plan
policy.
E
This
plan
is
also
an
element
of
the
county
comprehensive
plan
similar
to
the
pops
process.
The
2005
plant,
the
2005
plan,
went
through
a
robust
civic
engagement
process,
review
and
public
hearing
process
before
being
adopted
by
the
county
board.
The
county's
current
policy
on
lights
is
referenced
in
the
2005
public
spaces
master
plan
and
all
synthetic
field
which
states
that
all
synthetic
turf
fields
should
have
lighting
DPR
is
currently
updating
the
P
SNP
through
the
Pops
process,
which
is
the
plan
for
our
places
and
spaces.
E
The
preliminary
draft
was
posted
online
in
June
30th
for
community
feedback.
There
were
three
public
meetings
held
in
July
to
receive
community
feedback.
The
community
feedback
tool,
the
one-line
community
feedback
tool-
was
on
the
website
too,
for
the
community
to
provide
their
feedback
up
until
the
end
of
August.
The
draft
recommendations
include
lighting
all
synthetic
fields,
synthetic
field,
conversions
would
take
price
would
take
precedence
over
new
field
development.
New
lighting
intensity
condition
would
not
increase
the
pre-existing
light
conditions
at
residential
property
line
by
more
than
one
foot
candle.
E
E
A
synthetic
turf
with
lights
gets
2100
hours
of
play
per
year,
as
opposed
to
the
700
hours
per
play
on
a
natural
grass
field,
unlit
field,
a
synthetic
turf
field
can
provide
a
quality
playing
surface,
no
matter
what
the
weather
or
the
amount
of
field
use.
Grass
fields,
on
the
other
hand,
cannot
be
used
during
or
just
after
inclement
weather,
and
they
need
to
be
rested
periodically
and
throughout
the
year
in
order
to
maintain
the
30%
our
goal
of
30%
turf
loss.
E
Now
we
go
to
the
analysis
of
the
impacts
staff
from
the
Department
of
Parks
and
Recreation
Public
Health
des
Department
of
Transportation
and
C
PhD
provided
analysis
of
the
impact
based
on
their
professional
knowledge
and
experience
during
the
18
18
months
of
the
W
fwg
process,
we'll
go
to
the
lighting
impacts.
Musco
lighting
has
installed
28
of
the
county's
32
lighted,
athletic
fields
and
provided
pro
bono
assistance,
professional
lighting,
knowledge
and
experience
to
the
W
fwg
during
their
process
and
attended
several
W
fwg
meetings.
E
After
hearing
the
W
fwg
concerns
regarding
glare
and
spill,
Musco
recommendation
was
to
install
shielded
LED
lighting
at
Williamsburg
for
its
greater
integrity
to
control
light
spillage
off
lights,
pillaging
glare
off
the
field.
To
that
end,
staff
concerns
staff
concurs
with
the
following
recommendations
put
forth
by
Moscow.
E
Moscow,
recommends
4500
Kelvin,
color
temperature
lights
and
add
the
Deming
function,
the
original
the
original
recommendation
at
the
beginning
of
the
wflw
at
the
beginning
of
the
W
fwg
process.
Let
me
slow
down
a
little
bit
here
was
5700
and
about
18
months
later,
when
they
were
asked
to
do
4500
Kelvin.
E
They,
the
recommendation
was
to
mount
the
lights
on
80-foot
poles
for
more
direct
lighting
onto
the
field
and
less
spill
onto
the
field,
and
they
suggested
installing
a
Deming
option
that
can
be
dimmed
at
50%
and
30%
from
the
original
power
of
the
lights.
A
Deming
option
basically
means
if
you
have
30
foot
candles
on
a
field.
If
you
dim
it
by
50%,
the
foot
candle
would
go
down
to
25.
I'm.
Excuse
me
30
yeah.
It
would
go
down
to
15%
sorry,
my
math
stinks
Wakefield
stadium
lighting.
E
We
have
the
Arlington
Public
Schools
just
installed
the
Wakefield
High
School
LED
athletic
field
lighting,
the
County
and
ApS
has
a
County
County,
sharing
a
cost-sharing
agreement
for
the
three
stadiums.
We
also
have
one
for
the
for
the
site
at
Williamsburg,
but
we
do
have
one
for
the
three
stadiums.
E
The
funding
for
the
county
share
was
allocated
as
part
of
the
board
approved
FY
17
budget
you'll,
see
below
comparison
between
the
lights
proposed
at
Williamsburg
and
the
new
LED
lighting
at
the
Wakefield
High
School
Stadium
as
follows:
proposed
at
Williamsburg,
the
there's
one
more
field
at
Williamsburg.
The
light
type
is
still
the
Musco
total
light
control
at
Williamsburg.
They
were
proposing
680
foot
poles
at
Wakefield.
They
actually
reduced
it
from
6
foot
from
six
poles
to
four
poles
for
80
foot
poles.
E
The
Lots
on
the
fields
proposed
at
Williamsburg
are
600
watt,
as
opposed
to
the
1150
that
are
that
exist
at
the
new
Wakefield
stadium.
The
Kelvin
is
the
same.
4,500
foot
candle
at
Waynesburg
is
proposed
to
be
30
foot
candle
at
Wakefield
their
proposed
to
be
at
Wakefield.
They
are
sorry
they're
not
proposed.
They
are
50
foot
candle.
E
So
there's
a
difference
in
the
foot
candle
there,
the
we're
proposing
the
Demming
option
at
wake
it
at
Williamsburg,
but
at
Wakefield,
there's
no
dimming
option
and
Wakefield
has
trackball
lighting
which
can
be
turned
on
and
off,
whereas
there's
no
trackball
lighting
proposed
at
the
Waynesburg
at
the
Williamsburg
site.
Excuse
me,
this
is
a
picture
of
Williamsburg.
If
you
are
facing
this
picture,
we're
not
waiting
for
Wakefield
too
many
w's.
If
you've
got
your
back
facing
Chester
for
Chesterfield
is
in
the
back
and
you're
facing
the
stadium.
E
You
are
looking
you're
looking
east
in
this
picture
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
light
is
directly
onto
the
field
and
on
this
picture
it's
the
same
thing.
Actually,
the
first
one
was
you.
You
had
your
back
facing
Chesterfield
and
you
were
kind
of
slanted
looking
north,
whereas
this
one
your
back,
is
to
Chesterfield
and
you're
facing
the
home,
the
home
bleachers
at
Wakefield,
High
School,
so
you're
really
looking
east
in
this
picture.
It
was
north
and
the
other
one
in
East
in
this
one.
Next.
E
Lighting
distances
these
the
10
sites,
where
you'll
see
the
single
asterisk
were
part
of
the
information
shared
in
the
2011
Bishop
Bishop,
O'connell,
high
school
use,
permit,
process
and
copies
were
provided
to
the
W
fwg.
Some
lighted
field
locations
were
not
included
in
that
2011
information
and
others
were
recently
installed
or
replaced.
E
E
This
is
the
Williamsburg
field
distance
map
for
this
map
in
the
August
2017
remeasurement.
In
order
to
calculate
the
distance,
we
took
the
overlay,
the
overlay
of
the
pole,
location
and
the
illumination
summary
with
with
the
existing
map
to
create
this
map.
So
you'll
see
the
the
closest
resident
is
89
feet
from
the
pole,
the
S
3
pole
and
then
from
the
s5
pole
up
there
I
think
it's
234
feet
and
then
we
have
the
distances
on
the
other.
Next,
please,
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
and
have
dr.
F
Good
evening
the
two
slides
that
I'm
going
to
present
our
summary
of
the
memo
that
I
wrote
in
September
of
last
year,
we
were
asked
to
provide
an
assessment
of
the
potential
health
risk
caused
by
LED
lights.
At
for
this
project,
the
sources
of
the
information
came
from
two
American
Medical
Association
reports,
the
first
in
2012,
the
second
in
2016,
and
then
there
was
one
Department
of
Energy
guidance
document.
Neither
of
them
specifically
address
a
athletic
field
light,
so
we
used
what
was
available
here.
Okay,
that's
right.
F
Based
on
these
sources,
there
were
three
categories
of
health
effects
that
were
identified
by
public
health
that
may
be
associated
with
external
light
sources,
retinitis
glare
and
circadian
rhythm
disruption,
our
assessment
summarizing.
What
the
memo
had
our
assessment
of
the
adverse
health
risks
for
players,
coaches
and
spectators
from
the
proposed
lights.
Retinitis
was
unlikely.
Given
the
natural
human
defense
mechanisms
in
place,
glare
was
unlikely
with
proper
engineering
and
design
and
circadian
rhythm
disruption
was
possible,
which
may
delay
sleep
onset.
F
What
we
also
noted
was
that
any
external
light
source
beyond
a
low
wattage
incandescent
bulb
used
after
dusk,
can
and
usually
does
delay
sleep,
onset
and
the
evidence
suggests
initiating
a
good
sleep
routine
upon
returning
home
should
help
to
mitigate
this
problem.
Then
we
also
looked
at
the
assessment
of
adverse
health
risks
for
our
neighbors
of
the
field
from
the
proposed
lights.
G
And
what
we
found
was
that,
interestingly
enough
about
1/3
of
the
users
of
the
fields
carpool
together,
which
was
a
pretty
big
surprise.
We
we
handed
out
survey
cards
that
had
a
number
of
questions
for
each
of
the
soccer
players
of
the
Gunston
field.
So
we
we
got
a
good
idea
of
how
they
got
to
the
site
and
when
they
got
to
the
site,
we
found
that
the
arrival
and
departure
of
the
players
was
generally
staggered
over
a
20-minute
window.
G
Before
and
after
their
allotted
field
times
and
their
trips,
which
we
estimate
would
be
for
the
two
fields
and
two
games,
a
night
would
generate
about
125
to
150
vehicle
trips
to
support
that
use,
spread
across
a
three
and
a
half
hour
period
between
7:30
and
11:00
p.m.
and
then
the
highest
increase
in
traffic
would
occur,
but
nine
and
ten
when
the
two
fields.
E
E
E
Here
you
will
see
a
heat
map
with
our
rectangular
athletic
field,
participant
density
by
zip
code,
as
you
can
just
to
kind
of
acclimate
you
to
the
map
at
the
very
top.
There's
a
blue
circle.
That's
the
two
fields
at
Williamsburg
and
then
right
below
it
and
the
yellow
is
the
the
Greenbriar
stadium.
Is
the
Greenbriar
field
complex
the
participation
information
accounts
for
youth
soccer
lacrosse
flag
and
tackle
football
missing
here?
Is
the
youth
missing
in
the
heat
map
Pete?
E
You'll
notice
that
the
highest
density
of
rectangular
field
participants
is
in
the
two
to
205
and
the
two
to
207
zip
code
and
the
only
lighted
rectangular
field
north
of
Lee
highways.
Greenbrier
is
a
Greenbrier
part.
The
stadium
field,
their
next
field
demand
outdoor
youth
sports
in
Arlington,
has
increased
by
62%
in
just
six
years
from
15
a
little
over
15,000
to
over
24,000
participants,
which
is
a
62%
growth
over
a
six-year
period.
80%
of
the
current
youth
youth
participation
in
sports
is
rectangular
sports
to
include
soccer
Ultimate,
Frisbee
lacrosse,
tackle
football
and
flag.
E
Mitigation
strategies-
Greenbrier
Park,
just
to
give
you
a
background
on
Greenbrier
Park
in
2000
in
2000
in
2000,
we
had
a
similar
but
different
field.
Lighting
issue,
the
county
capital
project
added,
a
field
to
Greenbrier
Park
and
the
neighbors
were
concerned
about
its
impact
to
the
neighborhood.
The
community
process
was
very
contentious
in
2005
and
MOA
with
the
Yorktown
Civic
Association
was
established
and
the
outcome
was
established
as
an
outcome
of
the
community
process.
E
The
MOA
was
approved
by
the
county
board
and
a
standing
committee
that
meets
twice
per
year
to
monitor
operations
and
scheduling
was
created
in
2008,
the
neighbors,
through
their
two
civic
associate.
If
ik
Association
representatives
on
the
standing
committee
requested
that
the
lights
at
Greenbrier
stadium
be
left
on
until
9:30
year-round,
regardless
of
the
field
being
programmed
or
not
to
allow
them
to
use
the
track
and
field
when
the
field
wasn't
scheduled.
E
Next
next,
we
have
MOA
with
mitigation
measures,
as
proposed
for
the
Williamsburg
site.
A
board
approved
memorandum
of
agreement
between
the
county
and
the
Rock
Springs
Civic
Association
could
include
the
following
mitigation
measures:
appoint
a
standing
committee
to
address
operational
and
maintenance
issues.
Meeting
mental
minimally
twice
per
year,
activities
scheduled
until
9
p.m.
have
excuse
me
until
9:30
p.m.
with
lights
out
no
later
than
9:45
for
safe
exit
from
the
site.
That's
standard
with
our
other
fields.
Activities
are
always
scheduled
in
15
minutes
before
the
light
curfew.
E
If,
with
the
curfew,
told
9:30
activities
until
9:30
it,
it
equates
out
to
approximately
2,000
hours
of
play
per
year
as
compared
to
the
2100
plus
hours
that
the
average
lighted
synthetic
turf
field
brings
propose
that
the
fields
only
be
lit
when
they're
scheduled
stagger
the
start
times
to
address
traffic
and
noise
issues
adjust
spectator
seating
for
small
sighted
games,
meaning
the
seating
would
be
at
the
opposite.
The
seating
for
the
small
sided
games
would
be
further
away
from
the
neighbors
on
the
one
of
the
neighborhood
on
the
one
end
of
the
fields
schedule.
E
An
on-site
facility
monitor
drone
all
scheduled
activities
to
quickly
address
the
community
concerns
when
the
field
wasn't
scheduled.
Have
the
roving
monitor
on
duty
and
available
by
phone
at
all
other
times.
Special
events
and
monthly
calendars
would
be
shared
with
the
Civic
Association,
a
seasonal,
seasonal
variation
of
usage.
During
week
night
and
weekend
times,
this
means
change
in
the
times
going
later
in
the
you
could
go
later
in
the
spring
and
in
the
fall,
which
is
our
heavy
demand
periods
as
opposed
to
in
this
summer
in
the
winter,
when
the
demand
isn't
as
high.
E
Commission
reviews,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
met
with
the
with
three
of
the
county
commissions,
the
environmental
and
energy
conservation
commission
II
to
see
we
presented
to
them
on
Monday
July
24th.
They
supported
the
position
of
no
lights,
at
least
not
now,
until
more
information
is
available
regarding
the
health
effects
in
other
areas
of
concern,
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
we
presented
to
them
on
July
the
25th.
They
voted
four
to
seven
opposing
the
lights
at
this
time.
E
The
consensus
view
supported
a
third
alternative
of
a
more
intentional
design
for
lighting
fields
when
replaced
and
the
Sports
Commission
we
presented
to
them
in
thirsty,
July
that
on
thirsty
July,
the
27th
they
supported
the
county
manager
recommendation
to
light
the
two
fields.
I'll
now
turn
it
over
to
Matt
Pfeiffer.
Regarding
the
county
manager
recommendation
thanks.
C
Robyn,
so
we
have
three
recommendations
for
this
use:
permit
the
first
regarding
the
use
permit
self
it
that
staff
is
recommending
that
there
be
no
further
scheduled
review
of
the
use
permit
for
the
Williamsburg
School
campus.
The
second
recommendation
is
to
have
the
board
direct
the
county
manager
to
fund
the
lighting
project
as
part
of
the
fiscal
year
2019
to
2028
CIP.
C
The
third
recommendation
is
to
direct
the
county
manager
to
initiate
a
process
to
light
the
athletic
fields
at
the
voids
of
Williamsburg
school
campus.
This
process
process
would
include
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
to
enable
the
recommended
80-foot
poles
and
also
to
amend
the
use
permit
to
allow
installation
of
the
light
poles
at
the
campus.
With
that
we've,
our
presentation
is
complete,
concluded
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
thorough
presentation
we're
gonna
move
now
to
our
public
speakers
who
I
know
we
have
some
representatives
from
some
Commission's
here
this
evening.
I
think
mr.
Ross
right,
you're
gonna
represent
Parks
and
Rec
and
mr.
Seymour
are
you
here
to
represent
e
si?
Okay,
any
other
commissions
rather
good
evening.
You
here
for
Sports,
Commission
yeah,
thank
you,
so
I'm
gonna
call
I'll
call
the
Commission's
after
we've
heard
from
all
of
the
other
public.
A
A
All
right
so
I'm
gonna
take
this
opportunity
to
remind
everyone
that
you
certainly
are
entitled
to
your
three
minutes
to
speak.
However,
if
others
have
said
what
you
want
to
endorse
or
say
you
can,
you
can
do
as
we've
started
it
when
you
can
do
sort
of
the
the
clap
right,
the
deaf,
clap
and
and
signal
your
appreciation
of
the
comments
being
made.
You
may
also
a
stand
and
and
rise
and
stand
as
someone
is
speaking
if
they're
representing
a
group
of
like-minded
individuals.
A
And
finally,
if
you
come
up
to
the
podium,
you
don't
have
to
take
the
entire
three
minutes.
So,
having
said
that,
I'll
also,
let
you
know
that
we're
gonna
call
them
two
at
a
time.
I
would
ask
that
the
speaker
who
is
on
deck
next
in
line,
if
you
will
would
please
come
down
and
sit
in
the
front
row
so
that
you
can
come
up
next.
Also,
the
podium
can
be
lowered
and
raised.
A
There's
a
button
right
there
on
the
podium
for
your
comfort
and
please
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone
so
that
everyone
can
hear
your
comments
and,
as
I
said
at
the
top
of
the
hour,
we
are
being
broadcast
and
recorded.
And
finally,
please
know
that
we
may
occasionally
get
up
and
go
to
the
back
to
stretch
our
legs
or
get
a
drink
of
water
or
something
like
that.
There
are
speakers
in
the
back,
so
we
can
still
hear
what's
going
on.
If
some
of
us
do
that,
don't
think
we're
walking
out
on
you
Commissioner
Hughes.
H
A
A
I
Thank
You,
a
10-4
majority
of
the
Williamsburg
workgroup
members
have
said,
do
not
light
the
fields.
Homes
are
too
close.
The
impacts
on
the
neighborhood
character
and
quality
of
life
would
be
too
severe.
The
workgroup
unanimously
approved
neutral
criteria
to
guide
future
decisions
on
which
field
should
and
should
not
be
lighted
in
Arlington.
Based
on
these
criteria.
Williamsburg
fields
are
very
poor
candidate
for
lights,
a
visit
to
the
fields.
Many
of
you
have
done.
This
plainly
shows
that
they
were
not
designed
for
lights.
They're
too
close
together.
I
Every
poll
would
violate
player
safety
standards
and
you
can't
light
just
one
field.
Without
lighting,
both
one
poll
would
destroy
the
tallest
trees
and
a
leading
independent
arborist
stated
50
at
least
55
linear
feet
of
canopy
and
would
destroy
sidewalks
and
stairs
between
the
school
and
the
fields.
The
space
is
too
tight
to
move
a
semi,
a
giant
crane
tons
of
equipment
to
and
from
the
pole
locations
without
serious
damage
to
trees
and
infrastructure.
No
other
lighting
array
in
Arlington
contains
21,
intense
LED
fixtures
all
facing
west
into
yards
and
windows
nearby
homes,
Moscow's
response.
I
What's
the
alternative
to
create
more
space
for
kids
to
play,
we
could
put
synthetic
turf
on
heavily
used
school
fields
if
this
does
not
automatically
mean
lights,
build
a
new
lighted,
fielded
long
bridge
which
neighbors
support,
install
better
lights
and
synthetic
turf
at
kenmore
and
turf
on
grass
fields
at
TJ
and
Quincy.
Creating
nearly
12,000
hours
for
kids
to
play
staff
say
the
greatest
need
for
lighted
fields
is
in
North
Arlington.
However,
six
lighted
fields
are
within
a
15-minute
drive
from
Williamsburg
middle
schools.
Seventh
will
be
built
at
Wilson
school
page.
I
237
of
the
new
pops
report
shows
that
the
most
acute
need
for
rectangular
fields
of
all
kinds
is
not
to
to
207
or
to
to
205.
It's
all
the
way
out:
Columbia
Pike
in
Crystal
City,
near
Alexandria,
Rosslyn
and
extending
out
Wilson
Boulevard.
There's
no
mass
transit
option
for
people
in
those
areas
to
get
to
the
Williamsburg
fields
and
fewer
residents
in
those
locations
have
access
to
one
much
less
two
cars.
I
The
the
push
for
lights
at
Williamsburg
has
been
driven
by
the
desire
of
travel
soccer
families
to
shorten
the
time
they
spend
traveling
to
practices
on
lighted
fields
at
Longbridge
and
Gunston.
But
these
families
are
spending
a
lot
of
money,
so
their
kids
can
compete,
statewide,
regionally
and
nationally
in
tournaments
across
the
country.
To
put
this
in
perspective,
it's
eight
point
five
miles
from
Williamsburg
the
long
bridge.
I
J
Good
evening
I'm,
a
member
of
the
work
and
lighting
workgroup,
we're
all
familiar
with
the
old
saying,
don't
buy
a
pig
in
a
poke
and
that's
exactly
what
you
would
be
doing
if
you
approve
this
proposal
has
just
been
advanced
recently
by
Musco
for
lighting
these
fields,
we're
all
familiar
with
the
sorry
process
that
resulted
in
us
having
to
be
here
when
the
several
years
ago,
the
then
chairman
of
the
County
Board
mr.
Takeda
himself,
a
soccer
aficionado,
said
that
the
community
had
been
ambushed
worse
than
Custer
at
the
Little
Bighorn.
J
By
the
way
the
process
took
place
that
resulted
in
the
meta,
then
manager's
recommendation
without
public
hearing
that
that
the
fields
be
covered
with
turf
and
lights
be
installed,
and
in
attempting
to
correct
this
embarrassment,
he
he
created
this
work
group,
which
has
met
for
almost
two
years
every
month
to
examine
this
proposal
and
I
can
Sagan's
confidence
that
the
members
of
this
group
probably
know
more
about
this
new
process.
That
is
the
LED
lights.
J
This
is
a
new
process
than
virtually
anybody
more
more
than
the
county
staff
and
I
say
that
not
too
sparingly
because
they
told
us
right
up
front
they
don't
they
don't
get
involved
in
that
they
rely
entirely
on
the
expertise
of
the
sole
source
of
endor
and
must
go
to
tell
them
whether
it's
good
or
not.
We
were
appalled
by
that.
We
brought
in
Moscow,
we
put
them
through
the
wringer,
asking
them
questions
and
questions
about
this
process
fake.
J
They
finally
said,
look
there's
only
one
thing
that
we
can
recommend:
that's
because
these
fields
were
never
designed
for
lights.
You're
gonna
have
to
shoehorn
these
lights
in
here
you
have
to
do
fifty
seven
hundred
Kelvin
lights
and
raise
the
poles
eighty
feet.
Why?
Because
that's
the
only
way
they
could
feel
comfortable,
that
the
light
spillage
would
not
impact
the
adjacent
homes
also,
it
would
be
best
for
energy
conservation
and
cost-effectiveness.
J
We
went
out
and
raised
the
money
to
hire
one
of
the
leading
lighting
experts
in
the
country,
Nancy
Clanton,
who
wrote
who
was
the
co-author
of
the
national
standards
for
outdoor
lighting.
She
reviewed
these
plans
for
six
weeks
and
came
back
and
said
that
that
they
were
not
appropriate
for
this.
We
should
have
no
more
than
three
thousand
Kelvin
on
a
site
such
as
this.
J
We
continued
to
work
on
this
process
until
guess
when,
until
January
12th
of
this
year,
barely
a
month
before
our
last
meeting
when
we
received
a
letter
from
Miss
Robbins
who
said
in
response
that
Moscow
continues
not
to
recommend,
as
discussed
previously
forty
five
hundred
Kelvin
lights,
because
it
would
increase
the
court
needs
and,
among
other
things,
would
increase
light
and
spill
glare.
Seven
days
later,
on
the
evening
of
the
inaugural
a
holiday,
we
received
a
communication
saying
that
Moscow
has
completely
reversed
itself.
It's
now
in
support
of
the
4,500
kelvin
lives.
J
K
Good
evening,
thank
you
very
much.
Planning
Commission
for
allowing
me
to
speak
I
want
to
request
that
you
do
not
recommend
to
put
lights
in
the
playing
fields
at
Williamsburg
middle
school
discovery
elementary
school.
There
are
many
reasons
not
to
put
the
lights
on
these
fields,
but
my
personal
reason
is
that
if
there
are
lights
on
these
fields,
then
the
only
green
area
in
our
area
will
not
be
able
to
be
used
by
neighborhood
children
and
families
to
get
together
for
non
scheduled
play.
K
It
seems
a
major
disservice
to
put
all
effort
in
for
scheduled
a
team
sport
time
and
to
eliminate
the
only
area
where
non
team
non
scheduled
play
can
occur
in
open
green
space
in
our
area.
I
understand
that
teams
will
need
to
play
on
these
fields.
By
allowing
lights,
you
will
remove
the
only
time
when
we,
the
neighborhood,
would
be
able
to
use
these
fields
when
the
scheduled
team
sport
time
ends
each
day
my
children
are
older,
but
when
they
were
younger,
they
went
to
those
areas
they
played
on
those
areas
they
played
frisbee.
K
They
played
tag
we're
going
to
lose.
All
of
that.
I
was
on
the
pfr,
see
that
helped
with
the
planning
for
the
new
school
for
discovery.
One
major
point
that
was
discussed
throughout
the
process
was
the
idea
of
artificial
turf
on
those
fields,
with
the
real
possibility
of
lights
for
those
fields.
If
that
happened
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
PRC,
I
was
really
ready
for
a
fight.
I
was
ready
to
go
in
and
say
no
artificial,
turf,
you're
really
killing
us
County
representative,
said
no,
not
worry.
It's
a
Bermuda,
Gap
grass.
K
You
don't
have
to
worry.
Ok,
everybody
was
happy.
The
ever
see
was
able
to
put
out
a
statement.
It
was
great
and
then
guess
what
I
thought
they
listen
to
me.
They
understood
we
need
some
play
area
no.
Instead,
the
surf
was
put
in
after
our
last
meeting.
We
didn't
get
any
time
to
put
in
any
kind
of
comments.
It
was
completely
against
what
I
thought
should
be
done
in
a
County
such
as
this
I'm
hoping
you
will
understand.
K
My
concern
that
open
green
space
for
nods
scheduled
play
is
an
important
and
necessary
need
throughout
the
country
County.
The
parks
department
has
even
acknowledged
that
has
never
before
considered
pretty
much
and
ever
considered
this
important
resource
and
doesn't
even
know
how
to
determine
how
much
open
green
space
they
need
when
I
went
to
one
of
the
pops
meetings,
so
that
doesn't
really
make
me
feel
very
good
about
that,
putting
lights
on
this
field,
you
will
have
set
this
field
as
a
scheduled.
K
L
Good
evening
I'm
Justin
wilt
executive
advisor
for
Arlington
soccer
I
was
a
Williamsburg
workgroup
member
and
I'm
also
on
the
Sports
Commission
I'd
like
to
share
some
thoughts
about
the
workgroup
process
and
how
compromise
can
work
in
situations
like
these
I
think
really.
The
key
is
compromise
as
I
understand
it,
and
most
planning
situations.
Compromise
is
an
essential
part
of
the
process.
You
have
to
balance
the
community-wide
needs
with
the
needs
of
the
local
area
for
the
project
that's
being
considered.
L
In
this
case,
the
counties
approach
does
reflect
an
interest
in
compromise
and
we've
seen
that
interest.
In
other
past
processes,
the
county
has
been
involved
with
as
well.
In
addition,
I
and
others
who
are
open
to
lights
in
the
workgroup
process,
developed
a
list
of
mitigation
options
demonstrating
a
keen
focus
on
making
compromise
work.
However,
some
of
the
neighbors
had
not
wanted
to
discuss
mitigation.
I
heard
the
following
statement:
a
couple
of
I'm
stirring
the
conversations
when
the
topic
mitigation
came
up.
Talking
about
mitigation
is
like
asking
me
what
color
to
paint
my
jail
cell.
L
Clearly,
this
stance
doesn't
really
enable
any
substantive
discussions
about
mitigation,
compromise
or
options
in
the
process.
I
do
agree
that
this
neighborhood
has
been
through
a
lot
all
the
changes
to
Williamsburg
school,
the
development
of
discovery
changes
to
the
fields,
but
if
you
look
around,
that's
really
what's
happening
in
Arlington
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
neighborhood
here
that
isn't
undergoing
fairly
frequent
change
and
whether
that's
good
or
not,
it's
as
a
state
of
being
around
the
county.
I,
don't
think
it's
something
that's
unique
to
that
particular
part
of
Arlington
County.
L
The
fields
neighbors
also
expressed
a
high
degree
of
distrust
with
the
county
and
they're
convinced
that
a
lot
of
these
measures
that
we've
talked
about
won't
work
for
one
reason
or
another.
That's
a
very
tough
stumbling
block,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
can
be
worked
through,
and
this
would
be
an
interesting
case
to
try
and
overcome
those
concerns.
Those
elements
of
distrust
how
to
proceed
from
a
planning
policy
standpoint.
The
draft
pops
report
proposes
criteria
to
be
used
in
the
future
regarding
the
potential
lighting
of
fields.
L
That
will
be
helpful
going
forward
in
this
specific
case
ABS.
In
any
specific
criteria
in
front
of
the
group
right
now
did
we
fall
back
on
the
tried-and-true
planning
method
of,
what's
the
best
in
highest
use
for
the
property
for
the
location?
Is
it
a
case
of
where
the
impact
on
a
given
number
of
neighbors
outweighs
the
need
for
a
substantial
number
of
County
residents
and
taxpayers?
That's
something
for
you
all
to
deliberate
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
think
about
compromise
as
we
go
through
this
Thank
You.
M
Reet
and
I'm
here
in
my
individual
capacity
but
I,
am
the
vice
president
of
the
Rock
Springs
Civic
Association,
and
have
been
involved
in
The
Rock
Springs
Civic,
Association
I
hate
to
admit
for
over
30
years,
when
my
husband
and
I
first
moved
on
to
Old,
Dominion,
Drive
and
I
actually
agree
with
mr.
wilt.
That
compromise
is
an
important
aspect
of
this
and
as
part
of
the
Civic
Association,
we
believe
we
have
done
a
lot
over
the
last
five
years
to
compromise.
M
With
this
whole
process
in
terms
of
Discovery
Elementary
School,
the
Civic
Association
could
have
opposed
discovery
coming
into
our
neighborhood,
but
we
didn't.
We
accepted
it
and
and
made
it
a
part
of
our
neighborhood.
We
got
involved
in
the
planning
process
for
it
and
we
worked
very
hard
as
a
community
to
welcome
discovery.
Have
it
become
part
of
our
community
and
we
even
have
our
civic
association
meetings
at
Discovery.
Now.
M
Part
of
that
process,
though,
included
a
decision
about
what
was
going
to
happen
with
these
fields
and
that
decision,
as
Miss
talked
about
was
made
when
the
fields
were
put
in
and
that
decision
has
now
been
backtracked.
On
and
the
result
is
that,
instead
of
having
fields
that
maybe
could
have
been
lit
in
a
way
that
would
have
been
consistent
with
our
neighborhood
and
would
have
been
consistent
with
the
residential
nature
of
our
neighborhood,
we
are
now
being
told
that
we
have
to
have
80-foot
light
poles
put
in
this
neighborhood
80-foot
light.
M
Poles
are
as
tall
as
every
tree
that
is
in
that
neighborhood,
so
you
will
have
lights
up
as
high
as
you
can
see
all
the
way
around
in
what
is
primarily
a
residential
neighborhood,
and
that's
because
the
process
wasn't
done
right
at
the
outset.
So,
yes,
we
are
very
willing
to
compromise.
We
have
worked
very
hard
to
compromise,
but
but
that
compromise
was
reached
when
the
decision
was
to
make
these
grass
fields
and
now
we're
basically
being
told
because
that
has
changed.
M
You
just
have
to
be
stuck
with
these
lights,
because
that
is
the
only
way
we
can
do
it.
The
only
way
we
can
do
it
is
put
80-foot
towers
in
this
neighborhood.
We
have
spent
12
years,
putting
together
a
neighborhood
conservation
plan.
We
have
worked
closely
with
members
of
our
community
to
develop
a
neighborhood
conservation
plan
and
part
of
that
plan
focuses
on
the
fact
that
we
want
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
and
that
is
important
through
all
of
our
Lincoln
County
again,
I
agree
with
mr.
M
wilt
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
change
in
the
county,
but
what
we
have
strive
to
do
throughout
is
maintain
neighborhoods
and
maintain
the
character
of
our
neighborhoods.
We
are
more
than
happy
to
have
the
fields.
We
are
more
than
happy
to
have
the
sports
events
that
are
already
going
on
at
the
fields,
but
to
add
this
new
dimension.
80
foot,
light
poles
that
are
on
essentially
until
10
o'clock,
every
night
totally
and
completely
changes
the
character
of
our
neighborhood,
and
we
ask
that
you
vote
no
on
the
lights
for
Williamsburg
middle
school.
N
I'm,
a
member
of
an
ad-hoc
group-
that's
just
been
formed
the
Arlington
tree
Action
Group,
and
we
are
very
concerned
about
the
growing
number
of
trees
that
are
being
removed
and
the
pace
at
which
they're
being
removed
in
orling
ttan.
We
think
that
the
use
of
public
lands
is
key
to
this,
that
we
need
to
manage
those
lands,
particularly
well,
because
we
don't
have
as
much
control
over
the
private
lands.
It
might
seem
that
the
Williamsburg
project
isn't
a
big
deal.
N
It's
small,
only
two
trees
are
noted
to
be
removed,
but
when
you
go
out
and
survey
the
area
you
realize
that
many
more
trees
will
be
impacted,
their
roots
will
be
impacted
and
potentially
they
too
could
die.
In
addition,
the
maintenance
may
require
heavy
equipment
coming
in,
and
some
of
the
trees
that
have
recently
been
planted
could
also
be
impacted.
This
is
only
one
project,
but
there
are
many
public
projects,
including
Donaldson,
run
lubber
run
four
mile
run
where
trees
are
being
removed
and
you
look
at
the
cumulative
impacts.
It
is
significant.
N
It
is
a
factor
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
account
by
the
Planning
Commission
in
general
and
all
their
projects.
Why
is
this
important?
It's
because
this
this
project
does
not
fulfill
the
wishes
of
the
pub
like
the
2016
parks
and
recreation
needs.
Survey
said
that
the
and
I
will
quote
nearly
two
thirds
of
the
respondents
indicated
they
would
support,
maintaining
and
preserving
existing
trees
and
natural
areas,
the
highest
rated
improvement
to
the
parks
and
recreation
system
that
was
in
that
report.
By
contrast,
importance
of
rectangular
sports
fields
was
23%.
N
In
addition
to
that,
the
Arlington
urban
forest
master
plan
states
that
our
trees
are
recognized
as
an
important
part
of
our
green
infrastructure
that
provides
economic
and
environmental
benefits.
The
current
trend-
and
this
was
written
in
2004
before
all
the
trees
have
been
cut
down.
The
current
trend
of
tree
canopy
loss
will
be
slow,
slowed
and
efforts
made
to
reverse
this
trend
through
best
practices
in
tree
planting
preservation
and
maintenance,
while
fostering
a
sense
of
stewardship
among
residents.
N
Everyone
can
look
around
and
see
that
trend
has
not
occurred.
In
addition
to
that,
there
are
all
sorts
of
values
that
Parks
and
Recreation
has
recognized
value.
1.4
billion
is
what
these
trees
and
public
lands
are
worth.
They
remove
tons
of
air
pollutants.
Talk
toxic
substances
produce
oxygen,
slow
runoff.
N
These
are
all
important
considerations
that
you
need
to
take
into
account.
It
isn't
just
a
forest
commission
or
a
Parks
and
Rec
Commission
issue.
It's
an
issue
for
all
the
county
boards.
I
say
that
you
have
the
responsibility
to
respond
to
the
expressed
desires
of
the
citizens
in
this
survey
and
take
the
environmental
leadership
that's
needed
and
in
doing
so,
reject
the
current
proposal
and
recommend
a
review
of
the
project.
O
Chuck
Hadden
my
house
borders,
the
WMS
property
and
I
apologize
I'm,
going
to
quote
some
things
and
I
want
to
read
those
to
get
that
the
quotes
right.
The
county's
website
states,
Arlington's
great
neighborhoods,
didn't
happen
by
accident.
They
happened
by
design
and
it
explains
the
majority
of
land
in
Arlington
is
dedicated
to
preserving
residential
neighborhoods.
In
fact,
the
very
first
point
listed
under
the
goals
and
objectives
section
of
Arlington's
comprehensive
plan
is
retention
of
the
predominantly
residential
character
of
the
county.
O
Similarly,
the
current
public
services
public
spaces
master
plan
identifies
creating
and
preserving
natural
spaces
as
a
top
priority
for
the
community
to
be
emphasized
in
designing
a
new
park
and
developing
facilities.
As
then
County
Board
Chairman
Chris
Zimmerman
explained
when
the
board
rejected
the
installation
of
field
lights
at
Bishop.
O'connell
high
school
because
of
the
adverse
impact
nighttime
play
would
have
on
nearby
neighborhoods.
He
said
not
every
location
in
the
county
is
equal.
O
The
whole
point
of
zoning
and
land
use
planning
is
to
provide
for
different
intensities
of
use
at
different
locations
as
a
property
owner.
You
should
have
some
idea
of
what
to
expect
it's
inherent
in
our
land-use
planning
that
the
uses
of
our
property
is
restricted.
This
gives
us
a
reasonable
expectation
of
what
goes
on
next
to
us
lights
by
their
nature.
Do
have
an
inherently
intrusive
impact.
O
Please
don't
let
the
county
do
to
us
what
it
wouldn't.
Let
a
private
party
do
to
O'connell's
neighborhoods
honor.
The
commitment
Arlington
is
made
to
preserve
the
residential
character
of
neighborhoods,
like
the
one
boarding
bordering
WMS
vote
against
installing
lights
on
the
Williamsburg
Fields.
Thank
you.
P
Good
evening,
commission
members
chair
I'm
Greg
Korres,
a
member
of
the
Rock
Springs
Civic
Association
Executive
Board,
and
was
also
the
representative
of
the
Waynesburg
field.
Work
group
I,
come
before
you
to
express
the
civic
associations
opposition
to
the
proposed
lighting
of
the
WM
s
fields.
We
feel
the
addition
of
80-foot
poles
with
84
luminaries,
along
with
the
high
level
of
illumination
and
increased
noise
and
traffic
well
into
the
evening,
will
greatly
reduce
the
quality
of
life
and
change
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood.
P
The
immediate
neighborhood,
as
well
as
most
of
our
civic
associations,
is
zoned
r10
and
r20,
with
no
commercial
or
multifamily
properties.
The
neighborhood
streets
are
fairly
small
with
limited
access
to
the
WMS
campus.
Our
SC
has
been
active
and
maintained
the
nature
and
character
of
our
neighborhood,
as
you
can
be
seen
with
our
involvement
in
neighborhood
conservation
program
with
many
other
projects
within
our
boundaries
include
the
Old
Dominion
project
for
sidewalks
and
street
improvements.
P
We've
been
involved
with
traffic
problems
from
WMS
for
many
years
and
became
very
involved
when
our
like
County
Public
Schools
person,
indicated
interest
in
place
an
elementary
school
on
the
campus.
As
a
result
of
the
discovery
school
plan,
we
were
promised
many
things
to
mitigate
the
adverse
effects
on
the
neighborhood
we
found
out.
Most
of
the
promises
were
only
words
and
there
was
a
small,
a
very
big
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
One
major
problem
was
a
traffic
study
and
traffic
plan
to
lessen
the
impact.
P
Only
a
small
portion
of
that
plan
helped
with
much
of
it,
not
working.
Well,
since
the
discovery
school
in
the
Williamsburg
middle
school
fields
have
been
opened
and
put
to
use,
the
neighborhood
has
found
the
adverse
impact
on
the
grade
to
be
greater
than
most
thought
it
would.
Traffic
is
backed
up
enough
to
cause
traffic
on
Williamsburg
Boulevard
to
near
gridlock
on
some
school
days.
The
noise
levels
from
the
field
has
been
much
higher
since
artificial
turf
seems
to
reflect
sound
more
than
natural
grass.
P
The
traffic
for
evening
and
weekend
use
of
fields
is
more
than
it's
been
reported,
resulting
in
more
noise.
On
school
days,
the
two
schools
have
2,100
people
coming
and
going,
which
is
already
an
impact
on
the
quality
of
life
and
character.
The
neighborhood.
Now,
with
the
artificial
turf
fields,
there
is
a
higher
usage
of
the
fields
after
school
and
on
weekends.
Then
there
ever
was
with
natural
grass.
P
This
has
resulted
in
more
noise
until
around
sunset,
not
just
from
the
players,
coaches
and
parents,
but
also
from
the
traffic
in
and
out
of
the
parking
lot
and
adjacent
streets
where
many
use
users
park.
We
do
not
agree
with
many
points.
The
staff
report
on
the
lighting
of
the
WMS
field
I
will
only
attempt
to
focus
on
a
few
items.
The
report
repeatedly
indicates
lighting
will
be
focused
and
there
will
be
little
or
no
glare
or
spill
lighting.
P
This
is
based
on
the
sole
source,
vendors
information
and
the
posi
report
that
the
county
paid
for
after
the
neighborhood
paid
to
have
a
nationally
recognized
lighting
expert.
Look
at
what
information
is
presented
by
the
vendor
problem.
Is
the
posi
report
only
looked
at
the
vendors
basic
information
and
never
looked
at
the
site.
The
expert
hired
by
the
neighbors
came
to
a
much
different
conclusion.
P
The
neighborhood
basically
has
an
ambient
light
level
of
zero
foot
candles
2.0
one
foot
candles
when
LED
streetlights
were
installed
on
36,
then
on
Harrison
Street
as
part
of
Discovery
school,
the
one
in
half
foot,
candle
average
illumination
impacted
the
quality
in
life
and
nature
of
the
neighborhood.
Just
that
little
bit
of
lighting
the
proposed
field
lighting
will
be
30
times
greater
than
the
streetlights
plus
they
will
be
at
an
80
foot
level.
Also,
the
field
lighting
will
not
be
dark
sky
compliant,
as
required
in
the
Pops
report.
P
The
field
elevation
with
80
foot
poles
mount
amount
of
fixtures
will
result
of
spill
lighting
glare
dude,
lower
elevation
of
much
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
This
will
be
most
pronounced
when
the
trees
do
not
have
leaves,
which
is
also
when
there
is
the
most
need
for
lighting
with
homes.
More
than
a
quarter-mile
way
receding
glare
lighting
any
home
with
the
line
of
sight
of
the
tree
on
the
west
end
of
the
campus
will
likely
be
in
direct
line
with
one
or
more
LED
luminaires
and
we're
speaking
of
luminaires.
That
screen
behind
you.
P
It's
only
a
small
part
of
the
size
of
these.
What
the
luminaries
are
going
to
be
up
on
these
polls.
The
report
talks
about
mitigation.
We
just
don't
believe
it's
going
to
make
it.
The
community
is
low
density.
These
these
lights
are
going
to
be
affecting
us.
We
also
know
that
WMS
is
going
to
be
probably
expanding.
Another
300
students
there
if
the
county
board
votes
to
install
lighting
on
WMS
fields.
That
would
be
a
clear
signal
to
our
Civic,
Association
and
other
low-density
civic
associations
that
the
urbanization
of
all
Arlington
is
moving
forward.
P
Q
I
am
representing
only
myself,
not
my
neighborhood
representation
and
I've
come
to
the
following
conclusions:
the
proximity
to
the
surrounding
homes
and
the
elevation
of
these
fields,
as
others
have
explained
to
you,
result
in
really
unacceptable
levels
of
lighting
impact
on
these
homes,
especially
the
second-floor
windows,
where
a
lot
of
bedrooms
are,
and
they
cannot
be
easily
screened.
By
giving
these
evolutionary
affiliation
area,
but
it
is
understandable
and
understandable
why
the
county
wants
to
light
their
synthetic
fields
that
gets
longer
play
times.
Q
This
neighborhood,
given
these
evil
revelations,
elevational
changes
so,
and
many
of
the
speakers
have
already
spoken
to
this,
but
staff
has
also
shown
you
some
photos
of
the
Wakefield
High
School
and
illustrated
the
same
Kelvin
levels
of
lighting
on
that
field
and
I
hope
that
it
Illustrated
to
you
that
this
really
is
stadium,
athletic
lighting
directly
adjacent
to
this
single-family
community.
Such
lighting
will
completely
change
the
character
of
this
community
and
it
should
be
noted
that
the
independent
lighting
consulted
that
they
hired
is
recommending
only
3,000
Kelvin
levels.
Q
Removal
is
going
to
happen
with
the
poles
and
the
lighting
staff
has
pointed
out
that
up
to
three,
possibly
more
calliper
large-caliber
trees
might
be
affected
and
they'll
have
to
go
into
the
woodland
to
install
them
because
they
can't
access
them
from
the
synthetic
field
because
of
impact
on
that
I
actually
don't
know
the
precise
number
of
trees
that
are
going
to
be
affected
because
Moscow
hasn't
provided
final
plans
yet,
and
so
that's
kind
of
important
for
the
staff
to
realize
as
well.
Finally,
other
jurisdictions
do
new,
not
light
feels
so
close
to
homes.
Q
Portland
Oregon,
which
is
known
for
its
progressive
planning,
does
not
light
fields
and
many
of
their
neighborhoods,
nor
does
Fairfax
County
in
McLean,
and
so
this
is
simply
called
good
neighborhood
planning.
So
it's
important
I
hope
you
realize
that
the
Park
and
Recreation
Commission
has
turned
this
down
east
to
c2
has
turned
this
down.
Even
the
Williamsburg
field
site
evaluation
group
10
out
of
14
of
the
members
opposed
it,
even
though
they
didn't
reach
consensus.
A
A
R
Am
Tony
Trey
ban
a
County
resident
for
45
years,
I've
lived
across
the
street
from
Williamsburg
for
the
past
28
years.
I
was
the
north
Harrison
Street
representative
on
the
W
fwg,
my
family
and
a
majority
of
the
residents
on
north
Harrison
across
from
Williamsburg
strongly
opposed
lights
as
a
neighborhoods
rebuttal
slides,
which
you
received
demonstrate
conclusively.
The
draft
County
staff
report
is
riddled
with
inaccurate
statements.
I
will
highlight
several
examples.
R
First,
the
decision
criteria
for
lights,
the
board
in
2013
adopted
the
standard
of
whether
the
environmental
noise
and
light
spillage
impacts
can
be
mitigated
sufficiently
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
provide
a
reasonable
quality
of
life
to
the
nearest
neighbors.
The
draft
report,
without
any
explanation
or
justification,
invokes
a
new
standard,
no
undue
adverse
impacts
for
this
decision.
It's
an
obvious
effort
to
dismiss
the
legitimate
concerns
about
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
You
have
heard
next
to
20
of
the
2005
P
s
MV
and
the
draft
Pop's
report.
R
The
draft
report
asserts
that
the
2005
P
SNP
requires
lights
for
all
turf
fields,
which
is
not
accurate.
The
record
is
clear
and
unambiguous
that
the
2005
P
SNP
was
only
a
recommendation,
as
chairman,
Zimmerman
and
others
made
clear
in
the
past,
and
the
draft
report,
as
you
heard,
claims
that
the
draft
Pop's
report
provides
guidance
that
all
turf
fields
have
lights
which
should
be
imposed
on
Williamsburg.
R
It's
just
a
draft
report
at
this
point
in
time
and
has
no
standing
as
far
as
your
decision
or
the
Peconic
board's
decision,
the
the
W
fwg
final
report.
The
draft
report
asserts
that
the
final
report
shows
that
the
best
field
lighting
with
the
least
impact
on
the
neighborhood
would
require
LED
lights
on
80-foot
poles.
That
is
not
accurate.
R
The
W
fwg
final
report
made
no
such
finding
and
no
such
recommendation
anywhere
in
the
report.
It's
simply
false
the
20
October
2013
determination.
The
staff
asserts
that
ApS
must
go
and
the
turf
field
contractor
determine
it,
then
that
lights
can
be
accommodated
without
major
impact
on
the
abutting
properties,
but
that's
not
accurate.
R
They
merely
did
a
preliminary
designed
the
potential
location
of
light
poles
for
the
purpose
of
installing
electrical
conduits
in
electrical
connections
and
that
under
the
turf
field,
there
was
no
determination
I
urge
that
the
draft
report
largely
be
disregarded
as
a
result
of
these
and
many
other
inaccuracies
and
the
county
managers
recommendation
be
rejected.
Thank
you.
S
So
I
also
have
lived
in
Arlington
a
long
time.
48
years,
I
grew
up
here,
went
to
McKinley
Elementary,
School,
Yorktown,
high
school
Swanson
middle
school,
so
I've
seen
the
changes
here.
I
currently
have
two
daughters,
a
10
and
a
15
year
old,
their
soccer
players,
so
I
know
firsthand
the
shortage
of
field
space.
Currently
we
are
Walker's
to
Williamsburg
middle
school.
We
don't
live
in
the
immediate
area,
but
my
kids
don't
get
bus
service
and
that
is
their
middle
school.
S
S
Some
of
those
I
mean
in
a
couple,
probably
by
the
end
of
the
month.
All
of
those
will
be
under
lights,
their
practice
times.
I
am
just
one
of
the
many
that
have
this
kind
of
schedule.
I
wanted
to
mention
that
the
non
high
school
sports
do
not
have
access
to
the
high
school
fields.
So,
even
though
those
fields
are
lighted,
we
don't
use
them
during
the
fall
and
spring
seasons.
S
Obviously
you
all
know
about
the
growth
in
the
schools
and
the
trailers
and
they're
on
the
playgrounds
on
there
everywhere
and
we
are
putting
hundreds
of
kids
on
the
soccer
fields
and
in
it
would
be
so
nice
for
us
to
have
Williamsburg
as
a
youth
field.
Lighted
until
9:30
really
wouldn't
be
that
much
obviously
in
the
summer
and
spring,
you
know
that
it
stays
light
pretty
pretty
long,
but
in
the
in
the
fall
we
are
gonna
start
losing
field
space
very
quickly.
T
Hi
everybody,
my
name
is
Dan
Ferguson
I'm,
the
interim
executive
director
for
Arlington
Soccer
Association,
I
I'm.
Actually
a
native
Montana
and
I
moved
here
to
Arlington
for
the
job.
So
I
can
understand
what
the
neighbors
are
saying,
with
keeping
the
character
of
their
environment
and
the
nature
of
the
area.
When
I
moved
to
Arlington,
it
was
a
big
transition,
because
this
is
an
urban
environment
where
I
was
used
to
a
rural
environment
and
as
living
in
an
urban
environment
there.
T
T
The
the
point
was
brought
up
that
this
field
space
is
only
being
used
for
travel
soccer,
which
is
which
is
not
true.
Sixty
five
hundred
of
those
9500,
our
recreational
soccer
players,
and
especially
in
the
fall
season
when
it's
getting
dark
at
5:30
p.m.
we're
losing
significant
space
for
those
players
who
live
inside
of
that
community
to
be
able
to
play,
as
Lizzie
before
me
said,
Greenbrier
being
brought
up
as
a
lit
field.
That
is
close.
T
We
don't
have
access
to
that
field
as
all
at
all,
so
those
families
that
live
inside
of
this
community
they
have
to
significantly
travel
in
order
to
be
able
to
play
youth
sports.
So,
to
reiterate,
while
I
understand
the
neighbors
position,
we
we
do
live
in
an
urban
environment.
Here,
we're
growing.
Our
schools
are
growing.
We
need
to
be
able
to
adapt
those
challenges
as
well,
so
I
urge
you
to
vote
YES
on
lighting
the
fields
of
Williamsburg.
U
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
letting
us
have
this
opportunity
to
voice
our
opinions
tonight.
This
is
the
first
time
that
I've
ever
come
to
one
of
these
meetings,
and
you
know
sitting
here
listening
to
the
presentation
that
your
colleagues
made
at
the
beginning,
it
seemed
to
me
like
it
was.
It
would
be
a
no-brainer
to
say
yes,
the
lighting
project
for
Williamsburg.
U
It
seems
like
the
data
points
and
the
mitigation
measures
that
are
available
would
make
this
a
very
straightforward
decision
for
you
all,
certainly
it's
funny
because
when
I
walked
in
and
I
saw
some
of
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
that
opposed
this,
many
of
these
people
are
my
friends
that
I've
seen
out.
You
know
campaigning
for
some
of
you
for
for
your
positions
here,
and
so
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
on
this
and
I
think
I
understand
they
live
in
the
neighborhood
I.
Think.
U
A
lot
of
the
data
that
they've
brought
up
is
not
supported
by
the
report
that
was
provided
at
the
very
beginning.
Much
like
Miss
Estelle
had
brought
up
a
couple
minutes
ago.
I'm
a
parent
of
two
young
children
and
I.
Take
these
children
I
I
work,
downtown
I
leave
work
early,
often
commute
out
to
grab
my
kids
and
then
commute
all
the
way
back
across
Arlington,
two
or
three
times
a
week,
and
it
is,
it
is
very
difficult.
I
do
think,
there's
a
need.
U
My
children
will
attend
Williamsburg
middle
school
at
some
point
and
I
do
think
that
there's
a
need
to
have
lighted
fields
north
of
where
they
currently
are
I
I'm.
In
soccer
attire
tonight,
I
was
actually
supposed
to
run
two
practices.
They
were
both
canceled
because
of
the
weather
was
not
able
to
play
on
grass
field
tonight
or
coach.
My
kids,
mr.
Ferguson,
brought
up
the
example
that
at
some
point
in
the
near
future,
we're
not
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
play.
U
Probably
the
full
practice
or
I'm
gonna
have
to
leave
work
earlier
so
that
my
kids
can
start
practice.
We're
gonna
have
to
roll
the
practices
earlier
so
that
my
kids
can
actually
play.
I
think
this
is
just
an
opportunity
for
our
kids
to
have
greater
access
to
playing
opportunities.
It's
not
just
soccer.
We
have
lacrosse,
we
have
Ultimate,
Frisbee
and
I.
Think
you
all
should
support
the
the
report
and
the
mitigation
plan
that
was
provided
earlier.
I
don't
want
to
take
all
three
minutes,
so
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
V
Excuse
me
I'm,
struggling
with
a
cold,
my
name
is
Daniel
Lopez
I
am
a
member
of
the
Arlington
Soccer
Association
board
have
been
an
Arlington
resident
for
20
years,
I
live
in
South,
Arlington
I've
run
a
soccer
club
there,
South
Burlington
soccer
club
and
I
still
and
like
Brian
before
me.
I
would
have
been
coaching
tonight,
but
for
the
rain
and
I
would
have
showed
up
all
wet
and
been
here
if
we've
been
able
to
practice.
But
fields
were
closed.
V
The
points
I'd
like
to
just
really-
but
there
was
pointed
out
by
some
of
the
folks
from
the
Community
Association,
is
that
the
players
and
the
south
would
benefit
more
from
a
field
in
the
south
and
of
course
that
would
be
the
case.
All
the
players
would
benefit
and
that's
exactly
what
happens.
Most
of
the
players
that
are
playing
soccer
and
other
sports
are
living
in
North
Arlington,
the
coming
to
South
Arlington,
those
those
rec
clubs
are
bigger.
V
They
get
more
field
time
in
South,
Arlington
soccer
club
plays
on
a
field
next
to
Utah,
which
is
from
near
the
dog
park
in
Farrington
was
not
even
a
field
which
we
don't
care,
but
it's
it's
got
pits
in
it.
Ruts
in
it
rocks
I
mean
it's
a
really
bad
field.
We've
played
on
Jenny
Dean
and
that's
next
to
a
place
where
there
bread,
crumbs,
thrown
out
there
and
and
but
we
do
our
best
and
we
keep
playing.
V
But
this
field
is
needed
to
be
lit
to
provide
playing
not
only
for
people
in
the
north,
the
people
in
the
south
and
if
the
people
in
North
Arlington
had
a
field
that
they
play
on
the
people
in
South
Arlington
would
have
better
fields
and
more
access
to
the
good
fields
and
I
I,
see
dubious,
looks
but
I've
been
doing
this
for
15
years
and
I'm
telling
you
it's
true
an
objective.
Look
at
these
factors
way.
Clearly
I
would
tell
you
in
favor
of
lighting
the
field
health
risks,
not
an
issue.
V
You
are
all
people
here
who
rely
on
Arlington,
County
services,
Arlington
the
the
public
school
to
do
an
accurate
assessment
and
the
risk
is
deemed
to
be
not
unreasonable
or
acceptable.
We
have
these
lights
at
Wakefield,
they're
gonna,
be
there
they're
gonna
go
in
at
all
the
other
high
schools.
If
there
was
going
to
be
an
undue
risk,
they
wouldn't
be,
they
wouldn't
be
there.
V
So
it's
really
the
issue
of
changing
in
the
community
and
I
would
have
to
say
in
my
short
time
that
changes
here
in
Arlington
we're
not
rule
we're,
not
suburban,
we're
a
band.
We're
going
to
be
continued
to
be
more
urban
as
the
years
grow.
We're
going
to
have
more
kids
we're
going
to
have
more
people,
we
need
places
for
them
to
play,
and
unfortunately,
people
need
to
make
a
sacrifice.
Miss
wheet
said
that
the
north
side
of
them
making
sacrifices
and
we
appreciate
it.
The
everybody
appreciates
it
and
I.
V
Think
I
said
this
before
to
them
is
we're
willing
to
work
at
Arlington
soccer
and
everywhere
the
any
youth
group
to
make
those
compromises
and
make
these
mitigation
stick.
So
I
urge
you.
If
you
look
at
this
without
emotion
and
objectively,
the
only
conclusion
is
to
light
this
field,
and
we
urge
you
to
do
so.
Thank
you,
Bob.
W
W
Like
all
of
you,
we've
lived
through
the
intensive
urbanization
of
large
parts
of
the
county
over
the
last
35
years
and
the
growing
congestion
of
the
DC
area
as
a
whole,
and
that
has
certainly,
as
other
speakers
have
said,
increased
the
demand
for
recreational
services
but
I'd
like
to
suggest
and
that
it
has
also
made
that
commitment
to
neighborhood
preservation
and
to
the
natural
character
of
the
county
even
more
precious
and
important.
There's
large
and
growing
research
base
indicating
how
important
that
connection
with
nature
in
the
natural
world
is
for
our
mental
emotional,
spiritual
health.
W
W
W
My
own
comment
on
the
Wakefield
photograph
was
that
you
know
put
that
down
in
the
middle
of
any
well-preserved
Arlington
neighborhood
and
you
fundamentally
change
its
character.
You
turn
literally
night
in
today,
I'll
just
close
by
saying
that,
some
years
ago,
when
we
lived
in
Westover,
my
wife
and
I
applied
for
a
variance,
we
wanted
to
expand
our
dining
room
two
feet
over
the
setback
line,
our
next
door.
Neighbor
didn't
think
it
was
a
good
idea.
The
variance
request
was
turned
down.
We
were
disappointed,
but
we
understood
that.
W
X
I'm
David
Goodwin
I'm,
probably
the
only
one
here
speaking
to
you
today,
who
had
his
achilles
ruptured
back
in
1979
on
his
very
same
feels
when
they
were
muddy,
mess
and
I.
Look
at
this
is
a
steady
progress.
That's
occurred
over
time
at
Williamsburg,
I.
Look
at
now.
These
these
turf
fields
have
finally
been
solved
and,
and
that's
a
great
step
forward
and
I
can
watch
the
kids,
my
son
included,
being
able
to
play
and
practice
on
them,
but
I
was
I'm
just
stunned
when
I
when
I
listen
to
the
arguments.
X
This
is
these
are
the
same
arguments
that
Yorktown
that
neighbors
around
Yorktown
the
neighbors
around
O'connell,
it's
it's
classic
NIMBYism
and
it's
it's.
It's
stifling
progress
in
this
county
and
I
wish
that
you
know
people
have
made
all
these
mitigation
efforts
and
it
doesn't
ever
seem
to
be
enough,
and
that
is
extremely
frustrating.
There
are
thousands
of
kids
who
need
to
use
more
fields
in
these
in
this
county
and
they
need
the
lighted
space.
Not
only
at
this
field.
I
would
agree
with
somebody.
X
You
mentioned
that
Kenmore
needs
to
have
turf
fields
and
and
the
same
process
should
go
all
across
the
county,
and
that
should
be
part
of
the
planning
process
in
this
case
it
just
it
to
me
and
to
many
of
folks
who
have
kids
and
who
have
will
have
kids
in
this
county
who
need
this
place,
suspect
it
the
space
to
play.
We
need,
it
feels
light
it.
It's
been
a
long
process,
a
frustrating
process
make
it
end
by
bringing
the
lights
in.
Thank
you.
Y
Ok
hi
good
evening.
My
name
is
Liz
Kirby
and
I
served
for
two
years
on
the
Williamsburg
field.
Light
evaluation
group
I,
listen
to
all.
The
discussion
have
tried
to
think
through
the
issues
with
an
open
mind
and
still
cannot
find
a
way
to
justify
what
what
adding
lights
and
the
accompanying
noise
would
do
to
the
local
ecosystem
and
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Y
When
there
are
other
choices,
the
kind
can
make
to
provide
opportunities
for
kids
to
play
sports
or
other
activities
that
would
serve
the
same
purpose
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
other
note
about
noises.
Sports
users
are
exempt
from
the
county,
ordinance
for
noise
limits
yeah
at
night.
It's
55
decibels
and
they
don't
have
to
comply,
but
because
otherwise,
they
probably
wouldn't
be
able
to
play,
but
I
think
that
should
be
noted.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
Z
Evening,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Nadine
Karanka
and
our
family
home
borders,
the
playing
fields
and
I
speak
I
urge
you
to
not
support
the
lights
for
the
Williamsburg
fields.
It
was
a
very
good
suggestion
by
Commission
member
mr.
Hughes
to
ask
that
the
students
be
allowed
to
speak
first,
because
he
recognizes
that
students
need
to.
They
can't
be
out
all
night.
They
need
to
be
home
because
I
have
to
have
a
good
night's
sleep.
Sleep
is
extremely
vital
to
children's
health
and
development.
Z
I
have
a
two-year-old
and
a
four-year-old,
the
as
Miss
Kirby
pointed
out.
The
55
decibel
standard
does
not
apply
for
sports
events
and
when
you
have
two
fields
to
artificial
turf
field
side
by
side,
nowhere
else
in
Arlington,
besides
Long
Bridge
and
even
at
Longbridge,
there
are
three
times
the
distance
apart.
So
you
have
a
kids,
rightly
yelling
to
be
heard
because
you
have
multiple
fields
going
on.
It
is
loud
and
the
artificial
turf.
Z
The
sound
bounces
off
of
it,
coupled
with
the
street
traffic
car
alarms
being
turned
on
and
off,
my
kids
go
to
bed
at
8:00
p.m.
and
I'm.
Sorry,
but
in
9:30
and
then,
coupled
by
9:45
lights
out,
the
traffic
will
go
to
ten.
My
kids
will
not
be
able
to
go
to
sleep,
I
understand
the
need
for
compromise,
so
is
it
should
we
jeopardize
some
kids
health
so
that
some
people
can
play
late
and
what
portion
of
those
children?
Z
What
portion
are
they
really
children
that
will
actually
be
playing
there
versus
others,
because
children
do
have
earlier
sleep
times
and
besides,
besides
sleep
for
children's
health,
safe
playing
fields
are
vital
to
children's
health.
These
fields
were
not
designed
for
lights.
If
they
were
designed
for
lights,
there
would
be
poles
in
the
middle
of
both
fields
similar
to
Gunston,
so
that
either
field
could
be
lighted.
Dpr
has
stated
that
all
six
field,
all
six
lights,
are
needed
to
light
either
field.
They
cannot
be
led
independently
and
the
two
corner
s
3,
and
s
4.
Z
If
they
were
designed
for.
If
these
fields
were
designed
to
be
lit,
they
would
meet
the
safety
standards
established
by
FIFA
and
the
US
Soccer
Foundation.
In
fact,
they're,
not
s.
4
is
located
on
the
steps
of
the
eastern
entrance
of
the
field,
showing
again
that
they
were
not
designed
for
lights.
Why
is
it?
Why
are
those
safety
stands
is
important.
AA
Good
evening,
I'm
Roy
can
see
a
neighbor
and
on
the
working
group,
I'd
like
to
tell
you
why
the
close
distance
of
Williamsburg
homes
to
the
proposed
lights
is
important.
Personally
to
me,
the
biggest
impact
on
neighbors
is
disruptive
noise.
At
night,
you've
heard
the
county.
Noise
ordinance,
prohibits
noise
above
55
decibels,
but
sports
fields
are
exempted.
So
if
my
neighbor
has
a
party
with
noise
births,
over
55
decibels,
that's
prohibited,
but
when
the
soccer
field,
whistles
shouts
and
cheers
exceed
55
decibels,
there's
nothing
to
be
done.
AA
That
level
occurs
intermittently
all
the
time
in
our
homes.
Now
I've
heard
that's
just
a
fact
of
life.
In
Arlington,
noise
happens
on
sports
fields
everywhere,
so
you
have
to
live
with
it.
There's
a
difference,
though,
between
Williamsburg
and
the
other
rectangular
fields
in
Arlington,
the
fields
are
closer
to
homes
and
just
about
everywhere
else.
Seemingly
small
differences
in
distance
make
a
big
difference
in
noise
impact
noise
and
license
light
intensity
varies
with
the
inverse
square
of
the
distance.
So
at
twice
the
distance
you
get
half
the
sound,
but
three
times
the
distance.
AA
You
get
1/9
the
sound
I'm,
giving
you
a
chart
attached
to
where
I
best
passed
out.
That
shows
the
actual
distances
from
the
lighted,
Arlington
rectangular
fields
to
the
closest
homes.
This
corrects
the
mistake
that
was
in
the
chart
in
the
county
managers
report,
which
may
have
been
correct
and
what
Robin
showed
sure.
AA
In
some
cases
the
chart
shows
that
Barcroft
neighbors
here
only
seven
percent
of
the
intensity
that
Williamsburg
neighbors
would
hear
from
the
same.
Sound
Gunson
neighbors
got
sixty
four
percent
of
the
noise
intensity,
Kenmore
neighbors
get
46
percent,
Long
Bridge
neighbors,
15
percent,
Virginia,
Highlands,
21
percent,
and
so
on
so
noise
that
would
violate
the
noise
ordinance
if
it
applied
at
Williamsburg,
wouldn't
at
other
sites
because
of
the
greater
distance.
AA
The
only
light
of
the
rectangular
field
is
close
to
as
close
to
a
home
is
Greenbrier,
which
has
one
new,
a
remodeled
home
constructed
long
after
the
field
was
lit,
which
is
way
up
a
steep
hill
that
muffles
the
effects
of
the
sound
in
line.
Furthermore,
LED
lighted
fields
aren't
usually
placed
this
close
to
homes,
not
only
in
this
area,
but
around
the
country.
Musco
told
us
of
18
sites
that
had
with
LED
lights,
for
football
and
soccer
most
are
much
further
away
from
homes.
AA
Hundreds
of
yards
hundreds
of
feet,
at
least
allowing
for
dissipation
of
light
and
noise,
where
there
in
valleys
so
lightens,
sounds
stay
mostly
on
the
field
where
they
replace
old
technology,
which
were
even
worse
closer
to
home.
The
most
similar
site
is
Lindley
Terrace
Park
about
a
mile
away
and
McLean
Fairfax
County
has
a
policy
to
light
fields
when
they're
converted
to
turf,
but
they
made
an
exception
when
way,
terrace,
because
it's
so
close
to
homes.
Finally,
at
9:45
curfew
doesn't
help
when
you
have
small
children
with
bedtimes.
AB
Hello,
I'm,
Joyce,
gamzee
and
I
live
adjacent
to
the
fields.
Last
year
the
American
Medical
Association's
Council
on
science
and
public
health
warned
against
the
use
of
LED
lights
above
3000
Kelvin.
The
proposed
Williamsburg
LED
lights
are
far
above
that
level.
4500
Kelvin
the
AMA
warned
of
an
impact
on
sleep
quality
studies
show
exposure
at
9:00
p.m.
can
lead
to
an
inability
to
sleep
at
midnight.
Some
evidence
supports
a
long-term
increase
in
the
risk
for
cancer,
diabetes,
cardiovascular
disease
and
obesity
from
chronic
sleep
disruption
due
to
exposure
to
brighter
light
sources
in
the
evening.
AB
Consequently,
the
2016
report
by
the
Council
on
science
and
public
health
recommended
quote
that
our
AMA
encourage
the
use
of
3,000,
K
or
lower
lighting
for
outdoor
installations,
such
as
roadways.
The
co-authors
of
the
AMA
report,
concur
that
their
recommendations
are
relevant
for
neighborhood
athletic
fields.
Dr.
Mario,
Mota
of
Tufts
Medical
School,
said
via
an
email
to
my
husband
that
for
such
fields,
quote
you
want
thousand
K
or
below.
Otherwise
you
have
very
harsh
larry'd
lighting
hard
on
the
eyes
in
Bexley,
ohio,
the
moscow
LED
site,
most
similar
to
the
williamsburg
field.
AB
Please
don't
listen
to
assurances
from
the
sole
source
vendor.
Please
do
listen
to
the
advice
of
the
AMA
experts
on
the
council
of
science
and
public
health,
protect
those
on
the
field
and
the
neighbors.
Don't
expose
young
athletes
to
the
risk
of
these
LED
lights,
protect
the
taxpayers
of
Arlington
from
spending
on
the
risky
LED
technology
that
may
need
to
be
replaced.
The
Park
and
Rec
Commission
got
it
right,
don't
install
the
lights.
The
public
health
risk
are
too
great
and
I
just
like
to
comment
that
lights
would
not
have
helped
any
team
play
tonight.
AC
I'm,
a
near
neighbor
to
the
school
and
I
want
to
address
the
subject:
I'm
opposed
to
lights
and
I
want
to
address
the
subject
of
NIMBYism
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
best
ways
to
do
that
is
to
bring
to
the
Commission's
attention
this
flyer,
which
I
got
in
the
mail
together
with
the
rest
of
us.
This
is
the
announcement
of
tonight's
hearing
and
on
the
back,
is
a
totally
inadequate
map
drawn
perhaps
in
1970
this
map-
and
it
does
say
it's
you
know
it
has
its
limits.
AC
AC
It
fails
to
show
two
playgrounds
now
when
I'm
accused
of
NIMBYism
I'm
half-tempted
to
to
plead
guilty
because
on
this
block
of
land
at
five
days
a
week,
1,100
kids
come
to
this
school,
the
one
that's
shown
and
a
hundred
faculty
and
staff,
the
school
that's
not
shown,
gets
about
600,
kids
plus
another
faculty
and
staff
plus
buses
by
the
dozens
cars
by
the
hundreds,
and
this
is
that's
for
school,
and
then
you
go
what
goes
on
on
the
weekends
and
nights?
There
are
basketball
courts.
They
are
back-to-school
nights.
AC
There
are
lots
of
things
going
on,
so
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
this
neighborhood
is
doing
a
great
deal
for
the
common
good
lights
would,
as
others
have
explained,
and
I
won't
repeat,
change
the
character,
take
away
art,
darkness
and
disturb
the
peace
and
quiet
of
the
neighborhood.
We
are
not
NIMBY.
I'ts
it'd
be
hard
to
think
what
we
could
do.
AC
Maybe
maybe
we
should
build
a
parking
lot
that
would
help
I
suppose
so
this
map
don't
rely
on
it
as
you're,
not.
But
this
is
that
this
is
the
way
the
neighbors
are
notified.
With
a
map
that
doesn't
show
Discovery
elementary
school,
so
our
neighborhood
is
opened
every
week
every
day
to
hundreds,
thousands
of
Arlington
Ian's
and
people
from
other
parts
of
the
Northern
Virginia
young
scholars,
soccer
players,
teachers,
parents
and
internal
combustion
engines,
and
we
asked
you
to
leave
us
with
some
peace
and
quiet
and
some
darkness.
Thank
you.
AD
Good
evening
my
name
is
Eric.
Ackerman
I
live
directly
across
from
the
Williamsburg
middle
school.
I've
lived
there
about
20
years.
This
is
a
proposal
before
you
to
really
industrialize
the
fields
around
Williamsburg,
and
this
is
industrial
strength,
development.
Really.
What
we're
talking
about
and
I'd
ask
you
to
consider
who
we
want
to
be
in
the
county.
We
have
issues
of
growth,
managing
growth,
etc.
We
have
a
public
spaces
master
plan
that
was
alluded
to
earlier.
AD
Ii,
there's
still
a
draft
under
development,
but
it
commits
it
says
the
county
says
we
are
committed
to
Smart
Growth
sustainability
and
inclusion
and
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
how
this
proposal
violates
all
three
of
those
principles.
It's
not
consistent
with
Smart
Growth.
It
would
directly
contradict
the
environmental
education
mission
of
that
new
new
school.
We
just
built
I
would
clearly
degrade
the
quality
of
life
in
the
neighborhood.
AD
It's
totally
inconsistent
with
sustainable
development.
We've
had
very
little
discussion
tonight
about
environmental
impacts
on
the
other
animal
of
the
other
species
that
live
in
that
area.
We
have
an
ecosystem,
somebody
did
call
it
an
ecosystem.
Well,
guess
what
that
intensive,
industrial-strength
lighting
is
going
to
disrupt
the
life
cycle
of
all
of
these
bugs
and
birds
and
all
the
mammals
every
in
addition
to
the
humans.
So
it's
inconsistent
with
sustainable
development
and
what
about
inclusion?
I
think
you've
already
heard
a
lot
about
the
process
and
how
it's
been
hijacked
I
can
assure
you.
AD
AE
AE
AE
AE
AF
Thank
you
all
for
taking
so
much
time
to
work
with
the
community
to
find
a
middle
ground
on
this
issue.
I
am
NOT
a
neighbor
of
Williamsburg,
and
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
share
with
you
that
it
isn't
just
about
neighbor
vs.
non
neighbor,
I'm,
a
parent
of
two
little
soccer
players
and
an
engineer
and
a
staunch
energy
efficiency
person
and
I
grew
up
next
to
a
lighted
field
that
I
loved
playing
on
at
all
hours
in
all
days.
AF
So
you'd
think
that
I
would
be
Pro
lights
here,
but
in
the
particular
instance
of
Williamsburg.
Given
what
I've
read
about
the
process?
That's
occurred
as
well
as
the
technology
and
the
technical
constraints.
I
would
strongly
advise
that
you
support
your
parks.
Commission
and
e2
is
SI
toos
considerable
analysis
that
shows
that
this
is
not
the
place
to
do
lights
or
LED
lights
at
this
time.
AF
I
think
we're
really
missing
an
opportunity
not
just
for
good
design
and
good
outcomes
for
our
community,
but
for
wise
expenditures
and
I.
Think
that
is
not
something
we
can
afford
at
this
time.
I
think
in
particular
Williamsburg,
and
we
will
see
this
at
other
schools.
We've
got
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
on
our
plate
for
DPR
and
for
schools,
and
we
have
no
business
going
back
and
undoing
projects
we
just
did
when
we've
got
such
a
plate
ahead
of
us
there'll
be
plenty
of
fields
that
need
replacement
lights.
AF
There'll
be
plenty
of
new
fields
that
can
be
designed
into
the
use
permit
into
the
master
plan
to
light
them,
and
in
fact,
when
this
field
is
renovated
in
six
to
ten
years,
maybe
the
technology
will
be
such
that
it
will
make
sense
to
light
at
that
time
anything
with
players,
neighbors
physicians
across
the
country,
having
some
concerns
about
the
quality
of
the
light,
the
question
of
2700,
Kelvin
or
above
is
a
very
real
one.
We
know
that
from
streetlights
and
then
finally,
the
community
process
here
was
really
challenging
and
I
know.
AF
All
of
you
have
been
involved
in
many
other
processes
that
have
been
challenging.
I
myself
have
been,
but
I
think
we
really
truly
need
to
be
respectful
to
our
communities
and
try
to
rebuild
our
trust
with
being
consistent
and
thoughtful
about
decisions,
not
that
they
might
not
change
in
5-10
years,
but
violating
zoning.
AF
A
You
miss
Cunningham
I'd
like
to
ask
the
representatives
from
our
Commission's.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
please
coming
down
and
and
joining
us
at
the
table
down
here
and
to
the
extent
that
you
are
able
to
remain
so
you'd
be
available
for
questions.
If
there
are
follow-up
questions
that
would
be
helpful
and
having
said
that,
how
about
we'll
hear
from
Sports
Commission,
first
Thank
You.
AG
Chairman
good,
solid
commissioners
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
represent
the
Sports
Commission,
as
you
consider
their
proposal
to
lightly
Williamsburg
fields
for
their
better
part
of
the
last
decade.
One
of
the
most
consistent
themes
before
our
Commission
has
been
tension
between
the
growing
demand
for
sports
facility
capacity
and
the
county's
extremely
limited
options
for
meeting
this
demand
in
urban
jurisdictions
such
as
ours,
public
land
and
facilities
are
mostly
fixed,
but
our
population
continues
to
grow,
meaning
our
public
spaces
have
to
serve
more
and
more
people
every
year.
AG
Not
only
does
our
Commission
see
pressing
needs
for
additional
field
space,
we
also
see
unyielding
pressure
to
surrender
existing
sports
fields
to
other
uses,
such
as
schools,
open
space
and
dog
parks.
The
competition
for
any
land
in
our
town
is
fierce
and
compromises
and
difficult
choices
are
required.
The
Sports
Commission
is
on
record
as
supporting
the
addition
of
lights
at
Williamsburg
middle
school
for
several
reasons.
First,
as
DPR
noted,
youth
sports
participation
has
grown
dramatically
over
the
last
six
years,
but
field
capacity
has
not
kept
pace
not
by
a
long
shot.
AG
Rectangular
fields
were
once
dominated
by
soccer,
but
are
now
broadly
shared
through
increased
participation
in
lacrosse
football
in
Ultimate
Frisbee
and
by
this
I
am
NOT
talking
about
treble
sports,
but
I'm
talking
about
recreational
activities.
As
a
result,
all
teams
and
sports
faced
fewer
and
shorter
practice
times
and
generally
less
access
to
feels
than
in
the
past.
Thus,
the
youths
youth
sports
community
is
already
making
compromises
in
this
circumstance.
Therefore,
our
Commission
supports
and
constantly
explores
opportunities
to
expand
capacity
in
conventional
and
unconventional
ways.
AG
Lights
are
but
one
way
to
add
capacity,
but
they
are
a
very
cost-effective
way
to
do
so.
Alternatives
such
as
buying
Morland
or
converting
grass
fields
to
synthetic
turf
or
over
I-66
are
all
significantly
more
expensive.
Thus
it
is
important
not
to
lose
sight
of
the
most
affordable
least
burdensome
way
for
taxpayers
to
meet
county
public
needs.
There
is
also
an
issue
of
fairness
and
balance
to
consider
the
preponderance
of
lit
fields
are
in
South,
Arlington
I've
talked
to
folks
in
South
Arlington
and
they
feel
they've
done
their
share.
AG
The
host
community
needs
in
their
neighborhoods,
many
of
which
are
also
residential.
They
would
like
to
see
comparable
efforts
by
their
North
Arlington
neighbors.
Adding
one
or
more
lit
fields
in
North
Arlington
adds
fairness
and
balance
to
how
sports
activities
are
distributed
across
the
county
and
offers
additional
environmental
benefits
through
reduced
transportation.
Our
Commission
recognizes
that
there
are
many
important
issues
to
consider.
We
believe
the
community
process
has
resulted
in
many
positive
modifications
and
compromises
that
improve
the
viability
of
lighting
these
fields.
AG
Just
last
week,
I
toured
the
Wakefield
site
and
found
the
areas
outside
of
the
field
to
be
incredibly
dark
and
tranquil
I
encourage
members
of
this
commission
to
observe
this
site
for
yourselves.
Nonetheless,
our
letter
recognizes
the
neighbors
important
concerns
and
that's
recommended
that
additional
protections
be
put
in
place,
including
an
MOA
between
the
neighbors
in
the
county
and,
if
Friends
of
Williams
or
a
group,
to
help
conduct
oversight
and
ensure
mitigation
measures
work
as
planned.
Ultimately,
the
decision
involves
trade-offs
and
difficult
choices.
AG
These
just
discussed
tonight
are
not
unique
and
will
come
up
over
and
over
again
as
we
seek
solutions
to
our
small
counties.
Many
needs
I.
Thank
each
of
you
for
the
time
that
you've
spent
listening
to
the
views
expressed
here
tonight
and
I
encourage
you
to
support
the
county
managers
recommendation.
Thank.
A
AH
You
very
much
I
couldÃve
me.
My
name
is
Bill
Ross
and
I
was
the
Park
and
Rec
Commission
representative
on
the
Williams
Williamsburg
field
working
group.
Mr.
chairman
I
enjoyed
appreciated
your
leadership
and
all
the
quality
time
we
spent
together
over
two
years,
dealing
with
a
difficult
issue.
I
always
have
to
remind
myself
of
what
our
original
charge
was.
Can
lights
be
installed
in
such
a
way
as
to
mitigate
the
negative
effects
on
the
neighborhood
I'm,
seeing
in
a
simplified
fashion?
AH
Now
this
is
as
far
as
some
of
us
at
the
park
and
Rec
Commission,
as
we
thought
about
this
a
little
bit.
This
is
opposed
to
doing
a
more
comprehensive
analysis
of
a
policy
to
establish
countywide
policies
for
building
renovating
or
lighting
fields,
which
in
hindsight,
probably
would
have
been
a
preferable
thing
to
do
before
we
looked
at
it
the
Williamsburg
site.
In
looking
at
this
tough
issue,
the
Park
and
Rec
Commission
has
had
a
couple
of
different
perspectives.
AH
First
of
all,
we
see
dramatically
the
needs
for
facilities
for
sports
and
recreation
in
the
county
and
we
recognize
the
the
growing
need
for
for
athletic
fields,
and
we
tend
to
be
fully
supportive
of
sports
leagues
and
the
DPR
and
expanding
playing
field
opportunities.
On
the
other
hand,
we
have
we
have
a
support.
AH
Reviewing
the
public
health
aspects,
light
spillage
noise
and
the
traffic
issues,
and
we
heard
and
appreciated
excellent
valuable
presentations
from
both
sides,
but
several
views.
There
were
several
views
in
the
Commission
that
that
lights
might
be
considered
here,
eventually
at
Williamsburg,
but
we
have
doubts
about
the
ability
to
mitigate
the
negative
effects
on
the
neighborhood.
AH
There
was
the
view
that
these
are
very
bright,
intrusive
lights
in
people's
backyards
and
not
just
across
the
street
or
down
the
block,
which
might
have
swayed
a
few
people's
thoughts
if
it,
if
things
hadn't
been
that
close
in
the
end
after
we
deliberated,
we
had
a
split
vote.
It
was
seven
for
recommending
not
against
recommending
approval
of
the
lighting
in
the
fields
is
currently
a
proposed,
but
they're
released.
I
can
tell
you
at
least
a
couple
of
members
where
it
was
it
was
this
close
and
the
vote.
AH
You
know,
thinking
about
other
ways
might
have
gone
in
another
way
and
I'd
known
another
night,
but
another
view
that
we
like
to
think
of
here
is
that
Arlington
is
pretty
good
at
compromise
and
one
way
to
think
about
it
is
here.
Perhaps
we
already
have
a
compromise.
We've
improved
and
installed
large
synthetic
fields
there,
and
there
are
wonderful,
it's
a
wonderful
athletic
facility
and
provides
significant
benefit.
AH
Expanded
hours
for
school
and
sports
activities,
however,
and
I
think
it's
noted
in
our
letter
in
our
deliberations,
we
did
end
up
having
consensus,
Park
and
Rec
Commission
view
that
there
might
be
a
third
alternative
of
a
more
intentional
design
process
for
possibly
lighting
the
William
Williamsburg
fields,
when
turf
is
scheduled
for
replacement
several
years
down
the
road,
perhaps
taking
to
account
new
ideas
and
new
technologies.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AI
Good
evening
my
name
is
John
Seymour
and
I
served
as
the
e-2c
to
representative
on
the
Williamsburg
lights
working
group.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
Commission's
position
on
the
lights.
As
you
may
be
aware,
from
Erica
Chow,
who
chaired
the
the
workgroup
our
deliberations
lasted
over
18
months
and
required
that
we
try
to
untangle
as
best
we
could
a
host
of
very
complicated
technical
issues.
You
have
a
copy
of
e
to
c
to
the
letter.
I
think,
which
was
adopted
unanimously
several
weeks
ago.
AI
That
letter
provides
some
background
into
the
working
group
itself,
as
well
as
e
to
see
to
his
past
interest
in
the
county's
lighting
practices
as
a
whole.
The
letter,
I
think,
makes
two
principal
points.
The
first
is
that,
given
the
fields,
dimensions
and
orientations
nearby
homes,
it's
extraordinarily
difficult
for
the
county
to
light
the
fields
in
a
way
that
doesn't
materially
impact
the
neighbors
I
mean
it's.
It's
no
accident
that
our
deliberations
took
18
months.
AI
It
was
extraordinarily
difficult
to
extract
information
from
the
from
Moscow
the
sole
source
vendor,
and
it
was
extraordinarily
difficult
for
Moscow
to
come
up
with
any
design
that
met
generally
accepted
standards
for
for
a
athletic
field
lighting.
Indeed,
every
design
proposed
to
date
generates
excessive
glare,
even
with
poles
erected
well
above
applicable
zoning
limits,
but
perhaps
more
important.
There's
there's
no
way,
there's
simply
no
way.
Given
the
many
unanswered
technical
questions,
we
have
to
ascertain
precisely
how
severe
those
affects
might
be.
The
the
design
is
still
preliminary.
AI
The
vendor
is
refused
to
release
the
raw
data
underlying
its
prediction,
so
they
can
be
independently
confirmed.
However,
one
nationally
recognized
expert
in
sustainable
lighting
concluded
using
the
vendors
own
recent
best
case
data
that
that
design
will
transform
the
neighborhood
from
quote
dark,
quiet
and
tranquil
to
bright,
active
and
quasi
urban.
So
let
me
try
to
expand
this
expand
on
those
two
points
based
on
the
data
generated
by
the
vendor
itself.
AI
Significant
adverse
effects
can
be
expected
both
for
nearby
neighbors
and
for
players,
as
the
county
has
learned,
with
streetlights
LED
lights.
Are
these
tiny,
very
intense
point
sources
they're
magnified
with
sports
lighting
that
is
20
to
30
times
more
intense
than
Harlington
streetlights
and
based
on
Moscow's
best
case
data?
This
is
the
designer
came
up
with,
after
all
of
its
previous
designs
had
flatly
failed
glare.
The
neighborhood
property
line
still
exceeds
generally
acceptable
lighting
standards
for
dark,
residential
neighborhoods
and
glare
on
the
field
itself.
AI
As
you
can
see
from
the
Wakefield
photographs,
is
itself
a
problem
and
will
be
very
high.
Some
light
poles
currently
are
located
into
what
the
American
Soccer
Association
calls
criticals
it
Clair
zones
because
there's
very
little
room
around
the
fields
in
which
to
erect
light,
poles,
they're
very
close
to
the
field
and
the
light
shines
on
players
as
they
look
to
the
lights,
defending
corner,
kicks
and
and
defending
around
the
goal.
AI
Those
are
preliminary
pole
placements,
but
all
of
them
violate
recommended
standards
issued
by
the
by
the
American
Soccer
Association,
and
that
Moscow
itself
has
endorsed
and,
and
we've
heard,
about,
adverse
health
effects.
I
mean
it's
a
very
complex
and
emerging
issue
with
high
intensity,
blue-white
LED
lights,
but
the
AMA,
the
American
Medical
Association.
AI
Just
last
year
in
2016
confirmed
its
earlier
report
from
2012
saying:
look,
LED
lights
are
implicated
in
a
number
of
significant
adverse
health
effects,
most
notably
circadian
rhythm
disruption
and
sleeplessness,
and
although
the
proposed
lights
have
been
recently
reduced
from
5700
Kelvin
to
a
lower
temperature,
4500
Kelvin,
it's
still
way
above
the
3000
Kelvin,
that
health
authorities
and
in
lighting
authorities
deemed
safe.
The
county
has
replied
to
this
you've
heard
dr.
AI
Varughese,
II
and
I
appreciate
him
for
his
for
his
time
and
and
service
to
the
county,
saying
that
lights
bill
will
be
negligible
and
thus
adverse
health
effects
should
be
minor,
but
the
real
issue
both
on
and
off
the
field,
is
not
lights
bill.
It's
glare
glare
off
the
field
in
the
neighbors
homes
will
at
least
discourage
many
from
using
their
backyards
at
at
night
and
could
be
sufficient
to
cause
pain
or
discomfort
to
the
human
eye
and
acute
glare
and
the
field
will
also
be
quite
high.
It
might
be
minimized.
AI
The
county
says
by
blinking,
but
blinking
is
an
avoidance
response
that
all
of
us
engage
in
when
we
when
were
faced
with
nuisance
light.
It's
not
something
that
you
that
you
do
to
deal
with
acute
crime
and
and
chronic
retinitis
or
glare
the
county
concedes.
A
sleeping
disruption
may
be
a
problem
as
well,
but
they
say
look
that
can
be
solved
through
adequate
good
sleep
hygiene
when
kids
return
home
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means
or
how
difficult
it
is
to
get
kids
to
follow.
AI
Good
sleep
hygiene,
but
I
suspect
as
well
that
that's
not
a
mitigation
measure
that
I
would
I
would
credit
or
think
that
would
be
solvable
to
something
like
circadian
rhythm
disruption.
So
the
data
we
have
is
is
troubling
I
think.
But
the
more
significant
problem
is
what
we
don't
know
after
18
months,
what
we
still
don't
know
and
let's,
let's
take
the
caveats
in
the
staffs
report
alone.
AI
AI
We
don't
know
that
the
county
says
that
dimming
might
be
an
option
quote,
provided
that
field
safety
can
be
maintained,
but
it
can't
be
Moscow
himself
itself
said
that
the
lighting
on
the
field
has
to
be
at
least
30
foot
candles
to
protect
player
safety,
and
that's
what
the
illuminating
engineers
say.
Dimming
option
to
15
foot
candles
on
the
field
will
severely
tax
players,
ability
to
see
the
ball
and
creates
serious
safety
issues.
The
county
says
that
trees
might
be
sacrificed,
but
that
quote
mitigation
options
for
trees
will
be
considered
during
the
project
design
phase.
AI
So
that's
again,
sometime
well
into
the
future
long
after
public
review
is
completed
and
we've
had
18
months
to
think
about
these
issues
and
that
the
the
county
says
look.
Even
though
pole
locations
are
critical
to
predicting
glare
in
lights,
bill
staff
quote
will
bring
forward
a
project
with
specific
pole
locations.
Unquote
once
the
zoning
ordinance
has
been
amended.
Well,
that's
far
too
late
to
be
of
any
help
to
any
of
us
here
in
understanding,
truly
understanding,
lights,
bill
and
glare
effects,
and
let's
take
Moscow's
predictions,
we
don't
have
any
clue.
AI
So
we
don't
know
we
have
no
clue
what
the
real
effects
might
be
again
after
18
months,
scores
of
meetings
and
tremendous
resources
applied
by
the
Working,
Group
and
and
all
of
those
interested
in
this
in
this
issue
in
its
letter,
EPA
concluded
that
the
county
should
have
made
an
independent
consultant
available
to
the
work
group
throughout
to
develop
specifications
to
confirm
the
vendors
predictions
to
conduct
field
testing.
It's
doing
all
of
this
right
now,
with
its
streetlight
management
plan,
I'm
on
the
streetlight
management
plan
advisory
panel
as
well.
AI
There
they've
had
a
consultant
from
the
very
beginning,
they've
developed
draft
specifications,
they've
sought
vendors
using
a
request
for
information.
The
vendor,
the
finalist
vendors
will
be
coming
in
and
they'll
be
actually
erecting
model
luminaires
on
poles
within
residential
and
commercial
settings
within
Harlington
to
see
what
the
real
effects
are
to
do
field
testing
and
to
see
what
the
aesthetic
impression
of
the
neighbors
and
the
commercial
interests
are.
AI
Finally,
EP
2
C
2
will
also
recommend
that
the
county
developed
clear,
uniform,
equitable
criteria
for
siting
athletic
fields,
considering
the
kinds
of
important
issues
we
struggled
with
again
for
a
year
and
a
half
whether
the
fields
were
originally
designed
for
lights.
Here
they
were
not
the
proximity
of
homes
here,
they're
very
close.
The
topic
topographical
features
that
might
mitigate
light
here.
The
homes
are
elevate.
AI
It's
slightly
above
the
field
instead
of
field
is
not
recessed
in
a
way
like
a
Yorktown
or
other
other
settings
to
protect
homes,
from
lighting
and
applicable
zoning
restrictions
and
predicted,
light
spilling
and
glare
among
many
others
anyway.
Absent
consideration
of
all
of
those
factors
and
others
who
set
forth
in
the
letter
e
to
see
to
simply
could
not
support
lighting
of
the
fields
and
I'm
happy
to
try
to
respond
to
any
questions
you
might
have
about
that
letter
or
about
the
issues
raised
here
this
evening.
You.
A
A
A
A
AJ
Have
a
queer
clarifying
questions
for
mr.
Pfeiffer
if
I
may,
so
it
just
want
to
be
clear
about
from
the
staff
report.
What
Planning
Commission
is
is
being
asked
to
do
what
the
recommendations
are
and
I
I
want
to
be
clear
that
the
very
first
item
which
is
concerning
the
use
permit
is,
is
just
about
the
use
permit.
That
is
in
place
now
correct,
correct.
C
AJ
AJ
AJ
H
Because
mr.
pratchet
well
because
I'll
take
this
opportunity
right
now
to
knock
it
out
to
staff
on
the
bottom
of
page,
two
you've
capitalized
North
Arlington,
you
know
I
always
have
a
pet
peeve
on
that
one.
It's
again
on
the
back
of
page
nine,
but
you
properly
referenced
it
as
central
and
southern
Arlington,
lowercase
or
page
ten.
But
on
page
nine
you
properly
are
southern,
so
Patricia
Sullivan,
our
local
Washington
Post
article
in
August,
began
using
northern
with
a
lowercase
in
and
only
schools
continues
to
use
an
uppercase,
proper
place.
D
AK
Yes,
Thank
You
mr.
chair
mr.
Fifer,
or
a
member
of
parks,
I'm,
not
sure
who
to
direct
the
question
to
so
I'll,
just
direct
it
in
general
to
staff.
Could
you
comment
on
miss
poet's
report
that,
at
the
end
of
the
discussion
the
pfr
see
I
guess
it
was
discussion
about
discovery
and
the
fields,
apparently
that
member
I'm
is
Paulette?
AK
Maybe
others
were
left
with
the
impression
that
the
fields
would
not
be
turfed,
synthetically
turfed
but
would
be
left
as
grass,
and
I
recall
at
the
time
discussion
that
if
the
fields
fields
were
to
be
synthetically
turfed
then
it
would
be.
It
would
not
be
economic
to
not
to
light
them,
so
there
I
think
there
really
was
a
concern
about
that
connection.
And
so
what
I'd
like
to
know
is
what
happened
there
sure.
C
Let
me
take
that
one
at
a
time
so
towards
the
ends
end
of
that
process,
when
ApS
filed
their
use
permit
drawings,
the
fields
were
shown
on
those
drawings
as
Bermuda
grass
omelette.
Of
course,
after
the
conclusion
of
majority
the
public
process,
there
was
a
directive,
the
staff
to
work
with
ApS
to
make
those
synthetic
turf
fields.
C
AK
C
What
we
did
is
we
reached
out
to
the
community
and
so
we
said
look
we
are
going
to
go
forward
with
synthetic
turf
and
you
know.
Obviously
there
was
some
hard
feelings
at
that
point,
but
it
was
not
contemplated
that
time
to
go
back
and
restart
the
BL
PC
and
PRP
FRC
process
to
have
those
longer
discussions
because
again
ApS
was
on
their
timeline
to
have
the
school
approved.
AL
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
wanted
to
weigh
in
on
this
since
I
actually
sat
on
the
PFR
C
during
this
process
and
I
concur
with
what
miss
Pollock
recalls
throughout
the
entire
process.
Up
into
the
very
last
P
FRC
meeting
members
of
that
community
were
concerned
that
synthetic
turf
was
going
to
be
put
on
these
fields
and
that
that
meant
that
the
fields
would
ultimately
be
lit,
so
I
think
Commissioner
Siegel's
suggestion
that
there's
this
sense
that
that's
what
we
do
with
our
fields
is
well
known.
AL
Everybody
does
seem
to
understand
that,
but
to
be
clear,
the
community
did
ask
this
throughout
the
process
and
they
were
told
by
John
Chadwick
superintendent
of
schools
of
the
construction.
That
ApS
does
not
have
money
for
synthetic
turf,
I
believe
those
were
his
words
and
I
did
go
through
my
notes
and
I
think
our
last
P
FRC
was
in
April,
May
or
June
of
that
year.
AL
What
the
only
time
that
this
came
up
in
a
public
forum
was
when
it
came
before
the
board
and
Charles
mom
for
who
used
to
be
on
the
Planning
Commission
was
chair
of
the
FRC
at
that
time
and
he
seemed
as
surprised
as
anyone
when
the
board
said,
we
had
always
planned
to
have
turf
on
these
fields,
so
there
was
no
follow-up
public
process
for
this
community
to
weigh
in
on
the
synthetic
turf
and
lightning.
This
is
it
and
I
wanted
to
give
my
recollection
of
that
I.
A
A
Thank
yous
on
page
54
begins
on
page
54,
section
4.
These
were
follow-on
recommendations,
so
the
workgroup
itself
did
not
reach
consensus
on
whether
or
not
to
recommend
lighting
the
fields,
and
so
that's
why
it's
broken
out
and
to
those
that
were
in
favor,
of
or
open
through
lighting,
rather
and
and
those
that
were
opposed
to
lighting.
A
So
again,
that
was
a
consensus
position
of
the
workgroup
established,
more
robust
installation
and
maintenance
procedures
for
vegetative
buffers
and
develop
a
good
neighbor
policy
for
Arlington
Public
Schools.
Those
were
three
specific
recommendations
that
were
consensus
from
the
workgroup.
So
any
any
questions
on
the
workgroup.
This
report,
their
findings,
the
process,
commissioner
Siegel.
AK
AK
My
question
is:
why
did
you
know
how
to
put
it?
It
troubles
me
that,
after
all
that
very
very
good
work,
the
lack
of
consensus
did
not
stop.
The
recommendation
of
doing
the
lights
anyway
was
I'm,
really
very,
very
troubled
by
a
number
of
things.
I
I'd,
like
staff
to
to
respond
to
the
issue
of
no
no
real
consensus.
In
fact,
there
is
a
consensus
that
chairman
Getchell
has
just
pointed
out,
which
seems
to
have
been
ignored.
E
E
There
was
nothing
intentional
on
our
part
to
eliminate
that
the
the
workgroup
report
went
to
the
County
Board
as
well.
This
was
the
staff
report
and
we
we
basically
reported
both
in
the
board
report
and
in
the
presentation
that
there
wasn't
a
condition,
a
consensus.
They
didn't
come
to
a
consensus
and
they
did.
We
feel,
like
we
adequately
put
there,
the
opposed
to
concerns
and
the
open
to
concerns
in
the
board
report,
as
well
as
in
the
the
presentation.
E
C
I
may
I'd
also
like
to
add
very
briefly
that
you
know
a
even
if
there
was
a
consensus
achieved
by
this
working
group,
that
that
is
an
independent
piece
of
work
by
a
working
group
that
is
meant
to
be
viewed
by
the
board
in
the
public
and
that
will
influence
the
staff
decision
or
recommendation
but
but
does
not
govern
the
staff
recommendation.
So
we
all
along
independent
of
what
the
working
group
came
to
staff,
could
always
come
to
a
different
recommendation
than
the
working
group
right.
AK
Obviously
my
question
really
was
when
you
look
at
working
group
that
has
worked
so
intensively
for
18
months
spent
a
lot
of
time.
I
thought
the
quality
of
the
working
group
work
was
good,
was
excellent.
I
thought
it
did
ferret
out
things
that
were
not
clear.
I
just
wondered
when
you
take
a
position
like
that.
How
do
you
sort
of
reconcile
it
with
the
fact
that
there
really
wasn't
a
consensus
opinion?
There
wasn't
even
a
sort
of
minority
mature
Artie
report.
It
was
quite
a
post
anyway,
yeah.
K
E
AL
It's
just
a
it
does
seem
great
that
there
were
some
areas
where
both
sides
were
able
to
come
together
and
say
going
forward.
We
recommend
that
these
be
considered
as
the
county
proceeds
with
review
of
the
use
permit,
and
one
of
them
is
the
revised
EA
one.
Is
the
manager
making
recommendation
and
accompanying
staff
report
to
the
community
in
advance
and
I
just
wondered
where
we
were
on
those,
since
that
seems
to
be
a
good
place
to
start
going
forward.
A
I'm
gonna
jump
in
here
in
the
interest
of
time,
commissioner
Guerin.
So
a
couple
of
these,
the
the
on
page
56,
number,
two
and
number
three,
the
the
the
ship
has
really
sailed
on
that
I
mean
we're
here
tonight
we
got
the
staff
report
was
released,
last
Thursday,
I
believe
Wednesday
or
Thursday,
so
was
not
released
well
in
advance,
as
was
recommended
and
and
the
process
communicating
the
process.
A
We
had
some
success
on
that
it
wasn't
quite
as
smooth
and
clean
as
as
I
would
have
hoped,
and
many
in
the
community
I
think
would've
hoped,
but
at
least
the
community
was
aware
throughout
this
summer.
What
was
the
process
that
was
that
was
playing
out
so
I
think
you
know
the
main
point
being
is
that
that's
now
actually
behind
us
not
moving
forward,
but
thank
you
for
asking
anyone
else
on
the
workgroup
and
its
reports.
AM
You,
mr.
chairman
mr.
Pfeiffer,
or
miss
Leonard
in
your
presentation
on
your
slide
13,
you
noted
that
this
installation
at
Wakefield
the
polls
are
80
feet,
but
in
the
staff
report,
one
of
the
recommendations
is
to
study
zoning
ordinance
recommendations
to
allow
poles
over
sixty
eight
feet.
Mr.
Pfeiffer,
could
you
address
poles
went
in
at
Wakefield
and
under
what
process
they
did
absolutely.
C
Great
question:
Thank
You,
commissioner,
the
poles
at
Wakefield
were
actually
installed
in
the
1970s
and,
up
until
very
recently
it
was
an
opinion
by
the
Zoning
Administrator
that
poles
at
athletic
fields
were
not
subject
to
the
height
restrictions
in
the
zoning
district.
So
they
were,
they
were
seen
as
independent
of
that,
and-
and
so
that's
that's
the
way.
We
generally
approached
these
things
prior
to
about
the
year
2009.
A
new
Zoning
Administrator
at
that
time
did
issue
an
opinion
that
they
were
indeed
subject
to.
C
AM
C
C
AM
My
last
question
on
this
matter
and
then
I'll
cede
back.
Why,
when
we've
looked
at
other
use
permits,
the
schools
came
forward
with
a
zoning
ordinance
amendment
that
kind
of
followed
or
preceded
the
use
permit
for
this
some
recent
schools.
We
looked
that.
Why
wasn't?
Why
did
the
zoning
ordinance
conversation
not
precede?
This
use?
Permit
conversation?
Yes,.
C
You
mentioned
that
I
think
a
year
or
so
ago.
We
we
did
a
zoning,
the
once
amendment
that
addressed
the
s
3a
district
and
particularly
standards
that
could
be
modified
by
use
permit
for
schools.
We
purposely
did
not
address
light
pole
height
at
that
time,
because
we
always
thought
that
that
should
be
a
separate
process
in
a
separate
discussion.
A
H
Definitely
have
to
address
that
in
the
future
with
a
fourth
comprehensive
high
school
in
the
proposal.
I
presume
but
I
do
want
to
ask
a
follow-up
question.
Commissioner:
she'll
have
staff
so
I
just
wanna
make
sure
we
understand
the
Wakefield
situation.
The
non-conforming
structure
built
at
the
time,
which
was
the
80-foot
pole
in
the
1970s,
was
technically
not
non-conforming
when
it
was
built.
Yeah.
C
I
would
I
would
not
accessory
structure.
Yeah
I
think
that
I
would
not
subscribe
to
your
your
use
of
the
term
non-conforming
because
it
it's
not.
It
is
not
at
the
time
that
it
was
put
in
inconsistent
with
the
zoning
it
was
just
and,
and
the
zoning
didn't
exactly
change.
It
was
just
a
different
interpretation
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
so
it's
not
non-conforming.
C
E
C
A
Right
so
before
you
go,
commissioners
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
it's
a
it's
I
was
happy
to
entertain
these
questions
to
a
point,
but
in
terms
of
time
right
now,
because
we
this
is
a
determination
by
the
Zoning
Administrator,
it's
not
something
that
we
have
any
jurisdiction.
If,
frankly,
it's
not
something
that
the
county
board
has
any
jurisdiction
over.
The
county
board
can
rewrite
the
zoning
ordinance,
but
the
county
board
cannot
change
the
zoning
administrators
determination
of
the
existing
zoning
ordinance,
so
Commissioner
Hughes
just.
AM
Kind
of
a
comment
to
staff
I
know
that
pops
process
is
going
on.
I
know
the
current
PS
MP
includes
requiring
turf
fields
to
be
lighted.
I
would
just
caution.
Staff
on
you
know
trying
to
put
the
pops
things
in
slides
and
presentations
as
guidance.
It's
not
Board
adopted
guidance.
Yet
it's
a
draft
document
I
would
just
caution
you
RAAA
and
the
PS
MP.
It
is
part
of
the
comp
plan,
so
just
relying
on
adopted
guidance.
A
E
No
I
don't
think
that
was
the
case
at
all,
as,
as
we
said
earlier,
the
board
when
they
decided
when
they
approved
the
the
installation
of
the
two
synthetic
fields.
They
felt
at
that
time
that
they
could
move
forward
with
the
two
synthetic
fields,
but
they
didn't
feel
they
felt
that
adding
lights
was
a
significant,
a
significant
difference
or
change
in
use
at
that
location.
So
that's
why
they
appointed
the
workgroup
that
they
report
they
appointed
the
work
group
to
determine.
Rather
lights
could
be
at
that
site.
It
wasn't
that
I
mean
there.
E
AJ
AJ
We
had
no,
we
don't
need
to
get
into
it
and
I
actually
don't
want
to
keep
digging
this
hole.
But
I'm
just
gonna
say
that
that's
what
was
said
at
that
meeting
so
I
think
we
can
whatever
is
going
to
happen,
is
is
going
to
be
part
of,
as
we
all
consider
the
various
versions
and
drafts
of
pops
that
come
forward
to
the
community
and
the
Commission's
yeah.
A
I
appreciate
your
earnest
in
trying
to
respond
an
answer.
This
is
probably
one
of
those
things
where
now
the
comments
have
been
made
and
you've.
Given
your
answer
and
I,
and-
and
we
do
appreciate
that,
so
there's
no
need
to
to
continue
on
I
think
the
point
has
been
made
all
right
anything
else
on
policy
guidance.
A
Okay,
then
we
are
going
to
go
to
the
needs
assessment
and
and
demand
for
space,
and
this
is
there's
a
section
for
this
in
the
staff
report.
I
will
preface
this
real
quickly
by
letting
you
know
that
in
the
work
group,
this
was
something
that
that
we
specifically
that
I
as
chair
and
consultation,
with
our
board
liaison,
which
was
at
one
point,
miss
Garvey
and
then
became
mr.
A
Dorsey,
had
made
the
decision
specifically
in
order
to
allow
the
workgroup
to
really
focus
on
lighting
and
mitigation
and
impacts
not
to
really
kind
of
delve
into
in
any
real
depth
or
seriousness,
the
need
for
additional
field
space,
including
at
Williamsburg,
so
the
workgroup
itself,
while
many
of
the
neighbors
feel
very
strongly
about
some
of
the
positions
posited
by
staff.
The
workgroup
itself
did
not
take
on
that
issue,
specifically
so
I
wanted
that
caveat
out
there
all
right
questions
on
this
Commissioner
McSweeney
I
have.
A
Let's
hold
off
on
mitigation
we'll
get
to
that
soon.
This
is
specifically
on
the
need
for
field
space.
If
anyone
has
any
clarifying
questions,
okay,
having
since
seen
that,
then
we
will
now
go
to
the
lighting
proposal
itself.
This
is
sort
of
the
technical
aspects
of
what
specifically
Moscow
is
proposing.
AK
E
It
was
reviewed
by
an
independent
contractor,
but
they
are
correct
that
the
IES
drawings
were
not
provided
at
that
time.
However,
in
the
contract,
if
there
was
ever
a
project,
Moscow
would
be
provided,
and
it
does
state
in
in
any
contract
that
we
had
that
they
would.
We
pulled
up
one
of
our
old
contracts
and
they
would
have
to
provide
their
IES
information.
The
data
that
they
had
previously
not
shared
due
to
prior
it
was
priority
proprietary
to
Moscow.
They
would
have
to
do
it
if
they
were
ever
the
successful
vendor
to
put
in
lights.
H
Hughes
this
real
brief
Commissioner
Getchell,
just
as
we
begin
to
think
about
our
county
land
use
in
general
and
broad
spectrum,
there's
a
very
interesting
sentence
at
the
top
of
page
11.
We
heard
sole-source
frequently
this
evening
from
many
speakers.
It
says:
Musco
sports
lighting
is
installed
in
28
of
the
counties,
36
athletic
fields,
the
Musco
control
link
system
and
I
bet.
Staff
probably
has
a
trademark
missing
on
that
statement,
enables
kind
of
maintained
one
consistent
light,
scheduling,
monitoring
and
diagnostics
system
countywide
on
28
of
our
36
athletic
fields.
H
When
you
buy
a
John
Deere
tractor
today,
you
actually
still
have
to
go
back
to
John
Deere
for
software
updates
and
everything
kind
of
similar
today
is
it's
becoming
quite
frequent
that
we
sort
of
have
leasing
arrangements
and
impact
lots
of
decisions
across
our
County.
So
I
don't
think
it's
worth
diving
into
tonight.
But,
as
lrpc
knows,
we
think
about
other
situations
where
we
come
across
this
scenario.
That
little
sentence
means
a
lot.
So
just
keep
that
in
your
mind,
so
we
are
as
tied
to
Musco
at
28
sites
as
Musco
is
tied
to
us.
AN
AI
Correct
some
members
of
the
work
group
went
out
and
contracted
separately
with
a
with
a
lighting
consultant
from
Colorado,
very
well-known,
nationally
renowned
expert
in
both
sustainable
lighting
and
and
and
LED.
In
fact,
the
county
has
used
her
studies,
the
studies
of
Seattle's
introduction
of
LED
as
part
of
their
streetlight
management
plan.
They
they
view
her,
at
least
in
that
context
very
highly.
She
was,
as
I,
tried
to
summarize
very
critical
of
Moscow's
proposal
here,
but
it
was
some
members
of
the
work
group
and
I
believe
some
additional
neighbors,
perhaps
as
well.
Okay,.
AN
A
K
AI
AN
E
Were
we
were
provided
a
copy
of
it?
The
workgroup
was
provided
a
copy
of
it,
and
the
county
does
have
a
copy
of
it.
The
county
did
have
a
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
I
didn't
have
the
name,
but
the
county
contracted
with
there
with
a
Morton
and
Thomas
who's,
our
on
one
call
engineering
contractor,
and
we
used
one
of
their
subcontractors
to
evaluate
all
of
the
Musco
information.
A
So
mr.
Lee
tell
me
I'm,
actually
gonna
I'll
step
in
here,
because
I
lived
this
for
a
few
months
and
and
and
and
but
I
won't
be
able
to
really
fundamentally
clarify
it
for
you,
because
there
is
the
the
major
breakdown
that
I
ascertained
was
that
there's
certain
information
that
must
go
holds
to
be
proprietary.
That
way
they
will
not
release
and
is
the
absence
of
that
information
that
I
think
was
what
the
the
third
party
hired
by
the
neighborhood
was
I.
Think
most
critical
of
that.
A
Without
that
information,
you
really
can't
evaluate
the
claims
that
are
being
made
by
Musco,
so
the
they're,
the
county's
second
party
or
third-party
consultant
sort
of
just
said,
yeah
Moscow's
doing
what
you
know.
They're
gonna
do
what
they're
gonna
say
that
they're
they're
gonna
do
kind
of
sort
of
things,
so
there
was
there's
a
little
bit
of
who's
on
first,
they.
A
AN
A
Purportedly
that
was
because
of
evolution
of
Technology.
Not
you
know
that
there
was
there's
new
chipsets
that
are
coming
out
all
the
time.
There's
it's
it's
an
evolution
of
technology
that
enabled
that
to
happen.
That's
that's
neither
and
that's
not
been
in
verified
by
anybody
either
anybody
either,
but
that
is
the
stated
reason
this.
E
E
With
Moscow
I
mean
Moscow
did
provide
us
with
the
illumination
study
and
all
of
the
information
that
they
provided
us.
The
county
used
our
cantar
independent
electrical
engineer
to
review
all
of
the
Moscow
information.
So
when
we
have
a
contract
with
Moscow
or
anybody
else,
they
are
contractually
liable
to
make
sure
that
everything
that
they
say
or
everything
that
they
promise
that
they're
going
to
put
into
the
system
is
there
if
it's
not
they're
liable
and
they
have
to
fix
it
and.
AJ
A
Mr.
Leonard,
if
I
may,
there
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
the
timeline
here
of
when
this
report
surfaced
and
how
this
happened.
So
the
workgroup
took
a
hiatus
from
I
guess
I
think
was
from
April
of
2016
until
September
of
2016,
in
order
to
allow
staff
the
time
to
kind
of
catch
up
on
all
of
the
information
requests
that
the
workgroup
had
made
of
of
staff,
and
it
was
during
that
hiatus
that
the
that
the
neighbors
hired
miss
Clanton,
the
third
party
private
party
expert.
A
We
were
reconvening
with
the
express
purpose
of
that
the
fact-finding
phase
was
concluded
and
we
were
going
to
take
the
information
that
we
had
for
better
for
worse
that
we
were
drawing
a
box
around
the
information
that
we
had
to
move
forward
with
our
deliberations
and
to
finalize
our
work.
So
I
certainly
understand
your
point
about
kind
of
intellectual
curiosity
and
how
these
things
play
out,
but
I
do
think.
A
It's
important
to
understand
that
timeline
that
that
this
reports
surfaced
at
the
very
very,
very
end
of
the
fact-finding
and
I
had
actually
asked
staff
instructed
staff.
If
you
will,
as
chair
of
the
workgroup,
that
we
were
going
to
move
forward
with
deliberations
based
on
the
information
that
we
had.
Thank.
AJ
AJ
Again,
another
sort
of
rabbit
hole
so
not
continuing
to
dig,
but
it
is
sort
of
interesting
I
did
have
one
other
question
for
staff,
and
it's
because
I
wasn't
on
the
working
group
and
I
haven't
quite
understood.
Some
of
the
products
that
we
seem
to
see
or
for
staff
received
from
Moscow
and
in
reading
a
trade
publication
from
December,
2011
and
I
forget
what
the
publication
is
called.
AJ
The
lighting
designer
can
even
run
calculations
such
as
horizontal
light,
vertical
light.
What
falls
on
buildings
once
a
lighting
system
is
installed,
then
the
it
is
expected
and
Moscow's
list
is
mentioned
in
here.
They
have
to
make
adjustments
in
the
lights
to
follow
that,
in
my
mind,
that
can
computer
model
wasn't
a
table
of
figures.
It
was
pictures.
E
AJ
E
I
A
AK
A
E
Just
as
an
example,
you
wouldn't
want
to
have
lacrosse
balls,
lacrosse
balls,
maybe
even
frisbees
that
are
that
are
in
the
air
they
might.
That
would
present
a
safety
issue.
However,
with
a
soccer
ball
that
you
have
on
the
ground
and
even
with
the
corner
kicks
and
all
you
could
you
could
do
a
soccer
practice?
I
could
do
a
soccer
practice.
E
E
AO
AM
Mr.
Pfeifer
I
have
a
process
question.
Please
help
me
kind
understand
here
so
tonight
we're
just
in
this
use,
permit,
saying
yes
or
no
to
lights,
and
then
you
come
back
later
with
the
proposal
and
where
the
where
these
actually
go,
because
in
the
staff
report
it
says
that
staff
is
gonna,
come
back
later,
with
an
exact
look,
pull
location
after
the
eighty-foot
zoning
ordnance.
Conversation
is
determined.
That's.
C
Right
yeah,
the
intent
of
this
process
right
now
is
for
the
board
and
planning
commission
through
advisement
to
make
a
decision
whether
these
fields
are
going
to
be
lit.
However,
that
being
said,
we
don't
have
funds
for
a
project
right
now
and
we
don't
have
the
zoning
in
place
to
implement
it.
The
way
we
want,
so
we
are
recommending
that
you
know
the
decision
be
made
now
that
we
are
gonna
light
these
fields
or
we're
not
going
to
light
these
fields,
and
if
the
decision
is
made
to
light
them,
then
we'll
go
back.
C
A
Actually,
I
got
a
clarify
on
that
now
then,
because
we
have
now
precise
pole
location
because
there
was
previously
at
that.
The
conclusion
miss
Leonard
wouldn't
know
what
I'm
talking
about
here
that
at
the
conclusion
of
the
work
group
process,
we
didn't
have
you
know
I
forget
the
exact
terminology,
but
the
construction
plans
right.
So
we
do
now
have
construction
plans.
Is
that.
C
Use
permit
could
be
approved
with
more
conceptual
level
plans
as
long
as
you
knew
exactly
where
the
pole
location
was
going
to
be
in
things
such
as
Heights
and
elevations,
and
things
of
that
nature.
You
know
right
now,
though,
we
didn't
come
forward
that,
because
we
don't
have,
the
zoning
in
place
would.
A
AP
A
project
until
the
board
funds
it
and
we
have
the
funding
to
then
pay
Moscow
Moscow
has
done
all
this
work
pro
bono,
so
we
have
not
actually
hired
them
to
do
the
final
design.
Again,
it's
been
a
question
about,
should
it
or
should
it
not
be
lighted
once
that
decisions
made
in
the
board
puts
funding
for
it
in
a
future
CIP,
then
we
would
go
about
the
very
specific
final
locations
and
construction
drawings.
So.
AM
A
AM
A
Let's
finish
up
our
questions
and
then
and
then
you've
you've
tipped
your
hand.
That's
quite
all
right.
We
do
that.
That's
part,
that's
the
best,
the
process
here,
it's
quite
all
right.
So,
let's
go
ahead,
though,
and
and
I
think
we
have
just
a
few
more
questions
where
I
think
we're
really
kind
of
getting
on
to
impacts
and
and
mitigation,
so
Commissioner
Rick's
and
you
and
your
microphone.
Oh
yeah.
Thank
you.
I'd.
AQ
F
Questions
like
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
em
a
recommendation
reading
the
two
reports.
They
were
specifically
on
roadway
from
the
readings
that
me
and
my
staff
have
done,
and
so
I
think.
The
overall
recommendation
is
the
general
principle
of
use
as
low
level
as
possible
for
the
purpose
that's
indicated,
but
this
was
a
streetlight
sort
of
situation.
The
other
things
about
streetlights
are
they're,
usually
on
for
a
longer
duration
of
time
than
we're
trying
to
extrapolate
to
a
field.
That's
not
used
for
the
same
length
of
time.
F
Necessarily,
for
example,
right
now,
this
room
has
lights
on
beyond
what
is
usually
considered
low
incandescent
light
levels
so
we're
getting
blue
light
exposure,
not
the
same
level
will
say
that,
but
it
is
so
blue
light
exposure,
so
we're
delaying
our
onset
of
sleep
and
so
on.
So
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
that's
the
context
that
Public
Health
looked
at
to
say
all
right.
F
We
do
take
the
engineering
assessment
at
face
value
because
it's
just
like
the
local
public
health
department
doesn't
really
track
scenes
and
recommendations.
We
take
the
word
of
the
FDA
or
the
Department
of
Energy,
saying
it
can
be
done
and
then
it's
after
the
fact
that
you
then
see
what
the
effects
are.
We
have
nothing
to
believe
that
the
engineering
can't
happen
to
prevent
light
spillage
and
they
actually
talk
about
being
able
to
direct
lights
in
the
AMA
report.
F
So
with
that
assumption
that
it
can
be
controlled,
then
light
spillage
is
not
coming
off
of
the
field.
Does
that
mean
that
when
you
look
at
the
lights,
you
won't
see
the
lights
on
the
field?
That's
a
different
question,
but
what
we
addressed
was
we
talked
about
exposure
and
outcome.
Is
there
a
possible
exposure
based
on
the
information
that
was
provided?
There
should
be
no
spillage
off
of
the
field?
F
If
that's
true,
then
there's
no
exposure
risk
from
the
spill
light
into
the
homes
there's
going
to
be
exposure
on
the
field,
but
that's
not
surprising
because
that's
where
the
lights
are
and
then
it's
a
question
of,
can
it
be
directed
and
all
the
evidence
suggests
that
they
can
mitigate
things
like
glare
and
the
retinitis
effects.
But
when
you're
in
that
light,
just
like
here
there's
going
to
be
some
delay
in
the
onset
of
it,
will
it
be?
F
How
long
will
it
be
is
going
to
be
different
by
person
because
it's
individual
characteristics
and
what
they
do?
So
that's
how
we
came
with
up
with
our
assessment
and
we
are
relying
on
the
engineering,
but
that's
because
we're
not
going
to
reproduce
the
engineering
it
has
to
be
done
after
the
fact
and.
A
AQ
Was
a
suggestion
about
pops
that
the
ambient
light
at
the
property
lines
can
be
one
foot
candle
versus
IES
and
a
recommendation
for
a
dark
neighborhood
like
Williamsburg?
It
would
be
more
appropriately
at
one-tenth
of
a
foot
candle
I,
just
curious.
What
your
position
is
on
that
or
how
you
reconcile
those
two
fairly
significant
differences.
AQ
Thought
it
was
referenced
by
IES
na
yeah
it's
in
this
document.
Here,
okay,
there
was
a
suggestion
that,
like
ambient
light
spillage
is
different
depending
on
what
sort
of
environment
you're
spilling
it
on
and
because
this
was
a
dark,
neighborhood
or
a
neighborhood
that
one
foot
candle
would
be
too
much.
AI
North
America
they
virtually
every
other
standards.
Setting
organization
establishes
light
spill
and
glare
standards
based
on
what
they
call
lighting
zones.
That
is
the
level
of
ambient
light
in
a
neighborhood.
The
terms
determines
how
disturbing
new
light
addition
would
be
so
those
standards
established
for
a
neighborhood
like
Williamsburg,
a
light
spill
standard
of
0.1
foot
candle
for
a
darker,
suburban
neighborhood.
It
might
be
lighting
zone
2,
which
would
be
0.3
foot
candles
for
very
bright,
suburban
neighborhoods.
It
would
be
0.8
foot
candles
and
getting
into
urban
neighborhoods.
A
Seem
I'm
I'm,
sorry
I
do
have
to
cut
you
off
there.
So
thank
you
for
that
explanation,
so
that
I
think
the
question
to
staff
if
I
may
Commissioner
Rick's
would
be.
Then
where
does
the
pops?
Where
does
the
one
foot
candle
standard
that
is
currently
in
draft
form
from
from
the
pops
process?
Where
does
that
one
foot
candle
standard
come
from
the.
E
E
AL
Essentially,
the
same
question
is
Commissioner
Rick's
and
I'm
still
a
bit
confused
as
to
why?
If
3000
Kelvin
is
appropriate
for
a
street
light
where
people
will
be
moving
quickly,
they
won't
be
under
it
for
a
long
period
of
time,
4500
is
appropriate
for
kids
playing
under
the
light
for
up
to
90
minutes
and
I'm.
Not
and
I.
I
would
like
some
guidance
from
I,
don't
know
mr.
Fifer
I'm
doctor
miss
Leonard
as
to
how
we
reconcile
the
3,000.
AL
F
The
public
health
perspective
we
answered
them
in
some
ways,
the
negative
question
do
we
think
that
there
will
be
significant
risk
and
obviously,
we've
said
it's
unlikely,
it's
very
low.
The
context
that
I'm
going
to
do
that
in
is
I'm
going
to
defer,
like
the
public
health
context,
is
all
right
what's
safe
to
play
on
the
field
that
is
going
to
be
defer
to
the
sports
professionals,
about
whatever
the
recommendation
is
we're
weighing
the
risks
here.
F
So
if
it's
difficult
to
see
and
it's
not
appropriate,
then
is
there
a
risk
for
playing,
and
so
that's
in
a
sense.
So
that's
the
background
assumption
so
3,000
for
the
AMA
recommendation
is
for
streetlights
plain
and
simple.
There
is
no
recommendation
from
the
AMA.
Officially,
there
are
experts
who've
made
that
recommendation
who
contributed
to
the
AMA
report.
F
That
is
not
the
same
thing
as
that's
the
position
of
a
ma,
so
I've
been
I'm,
walking
a
fine
line
because
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
MA,
but
no
one
else
can,
except
for
that
official
report.
So
that's
trying
to
give
you
the
information,
as
is
this,
is
that
squishy
part
it's
like
in
the
doctor-patient
relationship.
I
can
tell
you
the
various
options,
but
I
probably
can't
tell
you
which
one
you
should
do,
because
that's
the
value
you
that's,
that
in
firm
control.
F
D
E
D
E
Yes,
it
does,
it
does
I
mean
if
you're
looking
at
a
field,
if
you're,
if
you're
standing
back
and
you're
looking
at
a
field,
you're
gonna
see
the
glare,
but
the
the
shielding
does
does
help
help
with
the
with
the
glare
but
I
don't
yeah.
That's
that's
pretty
much.
Okay,.
AJ
D
E
D
D
H
Mr.
Hughes
Thank
You,
commissioner
gosh,
no
a
matter
of
fact
just
on
that
last
point
before
goes,
the
County,
Board
I
think
a
piece
of
information
that
may
be
factually
relevant.
Given
tonight
we
found
out
that
factually
the
Wakefield
lights
have
been
moved
post.
The
2011
Bishop
O'connell
use
permit
that
the
distance
measurement
from
the
pole,
location
to
the
nearest
residential
property
is
probably
an
inaccurate
number
at
the
moment.
Well,.
E
The
one
the
the
only
things
that
were
different
for
the
there
was
no
change
to
the
Wakefield
stadium.
It
would
have
been
the
when
the
Bishop
O'connell
use
permit.
That's
when
the
Wakefield
high
school
was
being
constructed
and
then,
when
the
wind,
the
current
with
the
current
school
at
the
time,
moved
to
the
new
school.
That's
where
the
where
the
old
school
set
is
where
the
diamond
fields
currently
are.
So
that's
new
since
then,
yes,
I
just.
H
E
Have
the
memory
I'm
gonna
cream
of
agreement
with
the
Yorktown
Civic
Association
that
you
just
mentioned?
We
have
agreements,
we
do
have
a
long-standing
agreement
with
the
Virginia
Highlands
community
for
10
o'clock,
and
we
have
those
are
the
only
two
for
four
athletic
fields,
but
we
do
enter
into.
We
have
entered
it
into
MOA
agreements
with
other
civic
associations
regarding
indoor
facility
space,
but.
H
AK
AI
AI
Particularly
in
in
college
and
professional
ranks,
it's
it's
been
introduced,
but
there
are
I,
think
Association
recently
issued
awards
for
best
LED
sports
lighting
recently
for
2017,
there's
a
significant
caveat
saying
that
they
could
not
give
an
award
for
recreational
fields,
because
glare
and
light
spill
were
still
excessive,
even
with
some
of
the
best
luminaires
on
the
market,
so
they
deferred.
They
did
not
issue
an
award
this
year
for
those
kinds
of
luminaires.
D
You
I
did
want
to
mention
mister
I
think
his
name
was
broom.
Mr.
broom
mentioned
that
his
house,
he
believed,
was
60
feet
from
the
light
pole
at
Williamsburg
and
I.
Just
I'm,
noting
here
that
the
distance
here
is
89
feet
in
your
slide
and
I
would
just
ask
that
we
just
make
sure
that
that's
a
correct
measurement.
AN
Not
really
too
far
off,
given
the
pace
of
LEDs
development
there
they
are
developing
very,
very
rapidly.
It's
almost
seems
every
few
months,
there's
additional
advances
in
that
time
period
between
now
and
then
another
you
know
six
years
or
so
it's
we
can
assume
there'll
be
substantial
advances
in
lighting
technology
right
now
it
seems
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
retrofit,
something
that
was
never
considered
to
be
lit,
to
put
lights
on
it
and
trying
to
shoehorn
something
into
fields
that
were
never
planned
for
this.
AN
E
A
I
think
you've
tipped
your
hand
now
and
I.
Don't
think
you're
going
to
get
a
satisfactory
answers
with
all
due
respect,
none
that
miss
Leonard's
not
doing
her
very
best,
but
it's
it's
really
a
question
without
an
answer.
I
think
it's
the
essence
of
what
we're
about
to
get
to
motions
on.
So
thank
you,
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
hopefully
appreciate
what
I'm
trying
to
do.
Commissioner
McSweeney
thank.
D
You
I
had
a
question
about
the
ROI
ROI
for
lights
in
in
general,
on
the
field
and
and
the
9:30
stopping
time
was
there
any
actually
by
the
Williamsburg
group
or
by
this
county
staff.
Was
there
any
thought
to
maybe
an
earlier
time
or
is
there
just
you
know,
you're
gonna
spend
that
kind
of
money.
Then
you
have
to
get
a
certain
return
on
the
investment.
E
The
county
standard,
the
our
county
standard,
is
11
p.m.
so
the
county
manager
recommendation
is,
is
recommending
an
earlier
and
earlier
stop
an
earlier
curfew
at
that
location.
So
the
9:30
with
the
the
935
activities
over
lights
out
at
9:45,
is
earlier
than
our
standard
11
p.m.
knowing
full.
Well,
there
is
another
location
that
doesn't
have
11
p.m.
but
the
county
standard
is
11.
E
D
E
The
placement-
yes,
the
yes,
that's
what
I
said
the
light.
The
poles
were
placed
as
part
of
that,
but
the
you
don't
get
the
final
placement
of
the
poles
until
you
actually
have
a
project
in
or
you
actually
have
a
budget,
and
then
you
have
the
construction
of
the
construction
drawings.
You
get
them
at
that
time.
So
yes,
that's
the
preliminary
placement
of
the
poles.
Yes,
okay,.
D
AP
Me
answer
once
the
Board
made
the
decision
to
do
synthetic
and
incorporated
the
idea
that
schools
would
need
to
run
conduit
in
case
the
decision
was
ever
made
to
do
lighting
in
the
future.
The
county
worked
very
closely
with
schools
and
schools,
Design
Consultant,
to
design
the
field,
to
make
sure
that
the
conduit
was
placed
in
the
right
location.
That
would
be
the
likely
location
for
where
we
would
place
poles
along
the
length
of
the
fields.
AP
So
what
we
were
looking
for
when
we
were
working
with
schools
and
their
design
consultant
was
how
could
we
place
the
conduit?
So
we
would
minimize
the
number
of
poles
and
be
sure
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
coverage
to
light
both
the
fields,
so
schools
had
so
specialty
consultants
and
we
were
working
with
them
and
very
intensely
with
John
Chadwick
and
his
staff
on
the
design
to
meet
the
requirements
for
the
school
to
be
open
in
the
fields
to
be
open
in
time
for
their
needs.
Thank.
D
AP
A
AM
E
The
pole
placements
actually
came,
they
came
from
Moscow
and
Moscow
is
the
a
in
terms
of
the
US
Soccer
Foundation.
They
were
the
ones
that
US
Soccer,
Foundation
and
Moscow
wrote
the
report
that
you're
referring
to
that
has
the
diagrams
in
the
back.
But
if
you'll
notice
in
that
diagram,
it
doesn't
have
two
fields
side-by-side
like
we
have
at
Williamsburg
it
in
the
US
Soccer
Foundation.
AM
AL
Have
a
question
about
mitigation
with
regard
to
the
tree
canopy,
do
we
know
how
big
the
bases
for
the
poles
having
walked
the
site?
It
does
look
like,
especially
on
the
western
part
of
the
field.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
get
heavy
equipment
in
there
without
damaging
trees
along
the
way.
Then
there
was
the
question
of
how
many
trees
might
be
impacted
or
their
roots
might
be
impacted
by
putting
in
whatever
base
you
need
to
support
an
80
foot
pole.
AR
So
I
visited
the
site
and
looked
at
how
much
impact
that
particular
space
would
be
and
kind
of
visualized
how
much
space
there
would
be
needed
for
access
for
that.
There
are
technologies
to
reduce
impact
to
routes
for
access
for
construction
equipment
route
protection
matting
could
prevent
future
impact
to
trees.
That
would
not
be
directly
impacted
by
the
pole.
AJ
AJ
E
AJ
AJ
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
and
I
and
I
know
and
I
to
my
fellow
commissioners.
As
you
know,
usually
it's
the
person,
who's
chaired
the
SPRC
or
who's
been
the
working
group
chair
that
does
motions
4/4,
Planning
Commission
and
our
Chairman
Commissioner
Getchell
is
sort
of
in
that
that
situation.
Where
he's
chairing
and
trying
to
run
the
meeting
and
doing
this
so
I
will
say
we
discussed
and
I
making
motions
and
I
had
said.
I
was
willing
to
do
so.
AJ
So
that
said,
I
just
and
we've
clarified
earlier
this
evening
that
one
of
the
recommendations
is
to
renew
the
use
permit.
That
actually
covers
the
school.
That
does
not
include
lighting
and
it's
something
that's
been
sort
of
hanging
fire
and
keeps
getting
put
off
and
extended
and
put
off
so
tonight.
AJ
Certainly
you
know
we
we
amend
each
other
and
make
substitutes
and
all
the
time,
but
it
seemed
to
me
important
just
to
get
out
of
the
way
that
not
to
keep
bringing
you
know
the
the
use
permit
needs
just
to
be
the
use
permit
right
now
without
the
lights
and
just
be
done
with
it.
So
that's
I
thought
that
would
be
the
first
first
order
of
business.
Okay,.
A
A
AJ
Like
to
make
a
motion
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
county
board,
but
they
direct
the
county
manager
to
one
fund
additional
lighted,
rectangular
fields
in
the
fiscal
2019
2028
CIP
to
modify
the
lighting
guidelines
in
the
draft
public
spaces.
Master
plan
update
currently
being
reviewed
by
the
community
and
commissions
as
follows.
AJ
Excuse
me:
Williamsburg
field
working
group
final
report
into
the
lighting
guidelines
to
remove
the
standard
that
all
synthetic
fields
will
include
lighting
three
incorporate
the
recommendation
in
E
to
C
choose
white
paper
on
mitigating
light
pollution
from
2016
and
E
to
C,
choose
August
30
2017
letter
to
the
County
Board
concerning
William
Williamsburg
lighting
in
Arlington
County
projects.
Excuse
me
into
the
draft
public
spaces
Master
Plan
Update,
to
establish
guidelines
for
implementation
of
field
lighting
and
three
give
priority
to
upgrading
to
synthetic
turf.
Existing
natural
grass
fields
that
already
have
lighting.
AJ
AJ
AJ
You
is
planning,
and
yes,
as
one
of
the
speakers
said,
we
are
changing
as
a
county,
but
we
are
changing
according
to
adopted
plans
in
our
quarters
where
we
have
increasing
density,
and
we
have
see
two
small
one
and
two
storey
structures
being
combined
and
changing
to
ten
story
structures.
We
had
a
plan
for
that.
We
knew
where
we
were
going
well,
weird,
exactly
sure
how
it
would
work
out
and
every
time
we
get
a
site
plan.
We
apply
our
adopted
policies
to
that,
but
yet
each
plan
we
tweak,
but
we
do
have
policies.
AJ
We
have
our
TI,
a
policy.
We
have
all
of
those
in
place
that
help
inform
us
to
make
us
work
within
our
plans
for
specific
sites,
and
what
has
struck
me
most
about
this
whole
process
in
Williamsburg
is
that
we
didn't
have
sighting
principles
about
how
we
do
where
we
put
lights.
Nor
did
we
have
implementation
criteria
about
lights.
This
was
very
much
an
ad
hoc
deal.
It
seems
we
got
the
field,
we
got
them
to
make
a
turf
G.
As
we've
said
in
the
former
master
woods
basis
master
plan.
AJ
We
would
like
to
have
turf
fields
lit.
We
can
get
more
use
out
of
them.
That's
that's
understandable,
but
we
don't
really
have
anything
that
the
community
can
look
to
as
as
some
kind
of
compact
or
guarantee
that
these
are
the
standards
that
we're
going
to
use.
And
again
we
do
that
in
our
planned
areas.
We
do
that
in
our
single-family
areas
too,
through
our
zoning
code,
where
we
have
what
the
setbacks
are
supposed
to
be,
what
the
height
limit
is
of
35
feet.
AJ
AJ
This
particular
motion
as
saying
we
would
never
light
a
field
in
a
single-family
neighborhood,
because
we
don't
know
that
because
we
don't
have
sight
standards
and
implementation
standards.
So
it's
not
about
that.
It's
not
even
about
this
particular
site.
It
is
about
planning
with
that
I
yield
Thank.
A
You
commissioner
yeah
Kamini
before
I
turn
to
others.
Commissioner
Siegel
I
actually
want
to
go
ahead
and
sort
of
Express
where,
where
I
am
on
this
and
I
will
support
this
motion
tonight
to
make
sure
that
we
do
address
the
very
real
and
urgent
need
to
find
both
space
and
time
for
recreational
play
on
rectangular
fields,
while
also
preserving
the
character
of
all
of
our
Arlington
neighborhoods
and
I
really
want
to
sincerely
commend
mr.
A
Justin
wilt
for
his
faithful
service
to
the
workgroup
and
his
commitment
to
honest
dialogue
and
compromise,
because
I
know
he's
been
very
sincere
in
that.
However,
having
spent
the
last
two
years
now
deeply
immersed
in
the
study
of
whether
or
not
to
light
these
fields
at
Williamsburg
middle
school
I
conclude
that
the
best
way
to
meet
our
needs
of
a
growing
population
but
with
limited
land
is
through
very
careful,
thoughtful
and
deliberate
planning.
The
Commissioner
yakyu
manages
so
eloquently
called
on
and
that's
actually
called
for
by
the
2015
community
facility
study.
A
Work
group,
which
I
chaired
correctly
framed
our
decision
tonight,
can
the
impacts
of
lighting
the
fields
at
Williamsburg
be
mitigated
sufficiently
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
preserve
a
reasonable
quality
of
life
to
the
nearest
neighbors.
I
simply
cannot
find
that
bright
stadium
lights,
no
matter
how
carefully
designed
and
the
associated
intensity
of
use
into
the
evening
hours
and
the
distinctly
suburban,
dark
and
quiet
neighborhood
does
not
fundamentally
change
its
character
and
anyone
thinking
that
the
neighbors
should
just
suck
it
up.
You've
already
admitted
that
we
cannot
sufficiently
mitigate
the
impacts.
A
A
Here,
I
personally
believe
that
we
will
find
other
options
which
may
include
converting
existing
grass
fields
that
already
have
lights
to
turf
or
other
fields
that
are
more
suited
when
we
apply
those
criteria
to
all
that
have
participated
in
this
process.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
time.
I
know
that
staff
has
spent
countless
hours
invested
in
this,
and
I
really
did
greatly
appreciate
that,
and
this
decision
is
not
easy.
We
had
testimony
from
those
that
support
lights,
that
that
that
feel
it's
an
it's
a
no-brainer
I
actually
think
for
all
of
us.
A
Almost
all
of
us
in
this
room
were
all
somewhere
right
around
in
the
middle
I.
Think
mr.
Ross
sort
of
enunciated
this
well,
and
it
was
how
the
Parks
and
Rec
Commission
was
well.
It's
not
that
people
feel
very
strongly
this
way
or
very
strongly
we're
all
kind
of
somewhere
in
the
middle
I
think
that
the
motion
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
fair
compromise.
It's
not
no!
Never,
and
it's
not
yes,
right
now,
it's
let's
apply
some
careful,
thoughtful
countywide
criteria
to
make
sure
we
get
to
the
right
answer.
A
AK
AK
It
is
the
direction
that
we
are
going
in
with
with
the
pops
and
I
added,
because
I
I
think
it
will
add
to
the
confidence
that
people
should
have
that
we
will
reach
a
good
framework
for
planning
for
the
future.
On
these
issues,
the
pops
recommends
a
context-sensitive
activity-based
approach
to
providing
amenities.
AK
According
to
pops,
we
are
a
county
that
has
grown
up
around
our
neighborhoods.
Our
parks
have
been
designed
for
better
or
for
worse
to
fit
into
these
neighborhoods
again,
quoting
pops.
As
a
result,
different
areas
of
the
county
have
different
levels
of
access
to
recreational
amenities,
using
population
data
and
access
data.
AK
Pops
recommends
a
clustering
philosophy:
I,
don't
that's
a
rabbit
hole
right
now,
as
commissioner
yeah
kamini
would
council,
but
it's
important
that
people
begin
to
think
about
these
concepts
they
will
unfold
shortly
in
the
coming
months.
Clustering
is
intended
intended
to
move
the
county
away
from
thinking
about
individual
parks
or
facilities
as
having
to
provide
all
of
the
amenities
the
community
needs
and
instead
move
the
county
in
the
direction
of
thinking
about
groups
of
sites
together,
providing
an
appropriate
mix
of
amenities.
This
is
a
framework.
AK
It's
not
adopted
board
policy,
but
I
think
it's
very
important.
The
county,
urbanize
--is,
and
that
doesn't
mean
every
part
of
the
county
should
urbanize.
That
is
not
the
whole
arlington
that
we
all
look
forward
to
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna.
Stop
there
what
I
like
about
this
framework?
Is
it
helped
me
not
to
think
about
this
as
a
sort
of
NIMBY
an
exercise
in
the
B
which
is
fruitless?
AK
AN
To
thank
Commissioner
yeah
community
for
articulating
that
so
well,
it
very
much
sums
up
my
unease
with
this
whole
proposal
in
front
of
us
and
why,
for
since
I've
been
reading
it,
it
has
been
bothering
me
what
I
just
wanted
again:
I
walk
the
sight.
I
saw
it
I
see
there
are
opportunities
to
make
it
much
better
than
it
is
I.
Think
Commissioner
saying
this
was
done
ad
hoc,
it
was
done.
AN
We
backed
into
it
it's
evident
from
looking
at
this
site
that
that's
what
happened
here
and
I
think
that,
with
better
planning,
better
criteria,
we
can,
with
this
site,
come
up
with
something
that
the
neighbors
can
live
with,
not
just
live
with,
but
enjoy,
and
the
entire
county
can
then
use,
because
this
is
a
countywide
facility.
I
do
want
us
very
much
to
do
exactly
what
Commissioner
Cal
community
said.
AN
AN
We
have
other
places
in
the
county
where
these
issues
are
in
fact
coming
up,
and
what
we
do
here
now
is
going
to
be
setting
a
precedent
for
what
goes
on
there
and
what
we
do
here
today
under
what's
being
recommended,
may
not
work
for
those
other
sites.
So
I
am
definitely
very
relieved
to
have
this
this
proposal.
D
Thank
you
throughout
this
process
and
I've
gone
to
a
few
of
the
meetings.
Certainly
the
long-range
planning
commission
meeting
about
the
Williamsburg
lights
I
have
expressed
that
it.
We
are
one
Arlington
and
it
really
is
the
duty
of
all
neighborhoods
to
share
in
the
amenities
that
we
all
want
to
enjoy.
I
think
I
even
asked
a
question
as
to
why
why
should
Williamsburg
not
get
lights
when
Claremont
and
Arlington
Heights
and
a
lot
of
other
of
neighborhoods
have
stadium
lights
in
in
their
neighborhoods?
However,
I
thank
my
fellow
commissioners
for
such
a
thoughtful
discussion.
D
It's
why
I
enjoy
serving
with
you,
because
you
always
bring
us
back
to
the
fact
that
we're
here
to
think
about
the
planning,
principles
and
I
was
terribly
troubled
by
several
things,
as
you
expressed
mr.
LAN.
Tell
me
about
this
process,
and,
and
in
speaking
about
this,
we
took
the
things
that
came
out
from
me
are
we're
looking
at
something
we're
looking
at
equity
versus
fairness.
D
If
we,
if
I,
were
going
to
vote
in
terms
of
equity,
I,
would
say
light
the
field,
but
I
also
don't
feel
that
the
neighborhood
was
treated
incredibly
fairly
through
this
process
and
I
have
to
be
honest
about
that.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
urban
versus
suburban.
We
are
an
urban
County.
There
is
no
question.
D
The
fact
that
we
had
a
lack
of
criteria
for
lights,
again.
Troubled
me
and
the
height
of
the
field,
and
the
way
it
was
laid
out
tells
me
that
there
was
a
real
lack
of
planning
for
these
lights.
There
really
was
no
intention
to
put
lights
on
this
field
originally
and
and
I.
Think
again,
I
have
to
be
honest
about
that,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
learn
from
this
experience
that
we
can
prove
it.
D
So
at
some
point,
as
the
technology
progresses,
we
can
put
lights
on
these
fields
because
I
really
believe
we
need
to
use
our
fields
more
fully,
so
that
our
you
know,
sports
teams
can
actually
use
them,
sort
that
the
increasing
numbers
of
children
and
adults
can
can
use
these
fields.
But
at
this
moment
I
will
have
to
go
with
my
colleagues,
and
I
cannot
support
lights
on
the
field.
H
H
H
H
It's
45,000
person,
hours
and
then
I
think
about
three
seasons
a
year
and
how
many
person
hours
are
lost
in
our
community
driving,
which
we
think
about
as
a
goal
of
ours
not
to
do,
which
is
to
reduce
our
transit
I'm
left
with
the
statement
of
saying
yes,
I,
agree.
The
the
process
here
was
wrong.
The
process
of
our
County
and
an
ApS
engaged
in
was
absolutely
wrong.
It's
everything
we
don't
want,
including
the
gentleman
who
brought
us
the
use
permit
that
was
sent
to
his
house.
I
mean
that's
embarrassing.
They
should
have.
H
The
map
will
be
showing
the
elementary
school
belt,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
a
function
of,
do
I
believe
that
we
should
be
lighting
them
now.
It
is
a
waste
of
our
resources
as
a
community
to
have
installed
the
conduit
to
have
been
prepared
to
light
the
fields
to
have
two
athletic
fields
that
will
deliver
the
equivalent
of
about
a
full,
two
or
three
fields
found
today
before
now,
and
their
next
resurfacing.
2024
I
can't
say
yes
to
that
proposal.
I
have
to
agree
with
the
county
manager
and
it's
fine
that
I
would
support.
H
Building
this
moment
and
there
to
delay.
It
is
to
delay
an
incredible
amount
of
person,
hours
incredible
amount
of
driving
and
too
much
for
me
to
say
yes
to
so
with
that
and
given
the
neighborhood
character,
question
I
do
want
to
address
that
our
neighbors
at
Gunston,
our
neighbors
at
Kenmore
and
our
neighbors
at
Wakefield.
Today,
Kenmore
they
have
the
awful
old
lights.
Wakefield
has
a
beautiful
new
lights.
Gunston
has
in
between
we'll
call
it
all
have
in
their
neighborhood
as
our
neighbors
lights,
and
so
therefore,
I
see
no
opposition.
H
A
AJ
I
moved
that
the
Planning
Commission
advised
the
County
Board
to
direct
the
county
manager
to
fund
one
fund,
additional
lighted,
rectangular
fields
in
the
fiscal
2019
2028
CIP
to
modify
the
lighting
guidelines
in
the
draft
public
spaces.
Master
Plan
Update,
currently
being
reviewed
by
the
community
and
commissions
as
follows.
AJ
One
incorporate
the
key
considerations
for
evaluating
potential
field
lighting,
section
4
of
the
W
fwg
final
report
into
the
lighting
guidelines
to
remove
the
standard
that
all
synthetic
fields
will
include
lighting
three
incorporate
the
recommendations
in
e
to
C
choose
white
paper
on
mitigating
light
pollution
in
Arlington
County
projects.
That's
from
2016
and
E
to
C
2's
August,
30th
2017
letter
to
the
County
Board
regarding
Williamsburg
lights
into
the
draft
public
spaces,
Master
Plan
Update
to
establish
guidelines
for
implementation
of
field
lighting
and
for
give
priority
to
upgrading
to
synthetic
turf.
A
AJ
AJ
Move
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
to
the
county
board.
They
direct
the
county
manager
to
initiate
a
study
to
consider
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
permit
poles
above
68
feet
in
the
s38
district
and
established
specific
criteria
to
mitigate
the
impact
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
natural
environment.
AJ
And
mr.
chairman,
if
I
may
just
speak
briefly
to
it,
you
know
to
be
fair
and
the
whole
consideration
of
planning
and
thinking
about
coming
up
with
sighting
and
implementation.
We
already
have
80-foot
poles
and
it
could
be,
and
I
can't
determine
tonight
that
having
taller
poles
makes
light,
be
able
to
be
directed
better,
so
there
is
less
spillage
so
that
they
could
actually
be
an
advantage,
and
so
it
would
be
wrong.
I
believe
for
myself
to
not
have
that
part.
A
A
H
Hughes
only
to
remind
my
fellow
commissioners,
in
my
opposition
to
the
zoning
ordinance
allowing
setbacks,
density
and
others
in
our
previous
learning
amendments
regarding
schools,
I
warned
about
unequal
tree
across
sites,
but
I
will
support
the
motion
to
increase
polls
tonight,
because
we
do
need
them
and
they
do
need
to
be
at
more
science.
Most
important
thank.