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From YouTube: Charles S. Clark on Swastikas on Wilson - A History of George Lincoln Rockwell in Arlington
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Journalist and historian Charles S. Clark speaks about George Lincoln Rockwell and his American Nazi Party when their headquarters were housed in Arlington VA. Clark discusses the Party's activities in the 1960's and 70's and the circumstances behind Rockwell's shooting in an Arlington shopping center by one of his own party members. The talk was sponsored and took place at the Arlington Public Library and was co-sponsored by Encore Learning.
A
B
A
A
Oh
and
I
wanted
to
say,
if
you
want
to
talk
after
4
30.,
he
is
willing,
if
the
clerk
is
willing
to
stay,
then
for
those
who
don't
want
to
listen
and
want
to
go,
leave
right
on
spot.
Please
use
the
back
door
because
the
front
door
is
very
noisy.
Okay.
Mr
clark
has
a
long,
journalistic
history
and
just
to
mention
some
of
his
achievements,
he
joined
government
executive
in
the
fall
of
2009.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
karen
and
thank
you
to
encore
learning
and
the
arlington
public
library
for
welcoming
me
to
that
nice
little
bio.
I
would
also
add
that
I
I
write
a
weekly
column
on
arlington
for
the
falls
church
news
press.
It's
called
our
ironman
in
arlington,
but
most
important.
I
grew
up
here
and
I
have
personal
memories
of
this
misadventure
that
arlington
had
with
the
american
nazi
party.
B
That
became
kind
of
a
fad
for
teenagers
to
call
this
telephone
number.
I
don't
think
they
had
800
numbers
back
then,
but
it
was,
you
might
even
had
to
pay
for
it,
but
you
called
a
number
and
it
was
a
white
supremacist
on
the
line
with
a
recorded
message,
and
I
would
later
learn
that
his
william
pierce
was
his
name
and
he
we
used
to
call
all
the
time
and
get
a
little
bit
of
a
thrill
out
of
it.
B
But
he
would
he
went
on
to
write
a
book
called
the
turner
diaries,
which
was
about
a
an
imaginary
race
war
in
the
united
states
and
timothy
mcveigh,
who
would
go
on
to
blow
up
the
oklahoma
city.
Federal
building
was
influenced
by
that
book,
so
you
know
they.
They
meant
business.
Really
this
this
crowd.
B
You
know,
but
I
managed
to
talk
them
into
it,
and
I
was
able,
in
the
original
version
in
the
arlington
historical
magazine,
which
I
have
right
here
and
I
have
all
the
versions
of
the
article
that
I
originally
wrote
have
been
appeared
in
various
publications
and
after
the
program.
You
all
are
welcome
to
come.
Look
at
them,
I'll
put
them
out
here,
but
they're
they're,
my
only
copies,
so
I
just
want
to
be
careful
with
them.
But
for
writing
for
the
historical
magazine.
B
So
we
we
ended
up
publishing
those
later
and
then
for
another.
Yet
another
version.
I
tracked
down
the
owner
of
the
barbershop,
who
was
among
the
last
people
to
see
rockwell
alive
and
he's
retired
down
to
fredericksburg
dragged
my
wife
down
there
and
we
went
and
interviewed
him
got
some
fresh
quotes,
and
then
just
this
year
I
did
a
profile
of
a
a
well-known
attorney
in
arlington
who,
unfortunately
just
passed
away
about
three
weeks
ago.
B
B
Rockwell
born
in
illinois
in
1918
from
a
show
business
family
of
all
places.
His
father
was
a
vaudeville
comedian
and
a
young
rockwell
hung
out
with
people
like
groucho,
marx
and
jack
benny
and
fred
allen.
I
mean
who
would
have
thought
that
and
he
went
on
to
serve
in
world
war
ii.
He
he
briefly
attended
brown
university
dropped
out,
served
in
as
a
naval
aviator
to
the
rank
of
a
lieutenant
commander
in
the
korean
war,
and
he
attended
the
pratt
institute
in
brooklyn
for
a
while.
B
He
was
stationed
in
iceland
during
that
naval
service
and
he
met
an
icelandic
woman
and
divorced
his
first
wife
and
married
her,
and
he
read
hitler's
mind
kampf
during
that
time
in
iceland
and
he
ended
up
having
his
honeymoon
with
his
icelantic
wife
in
berkeley's
garden,
germany,
which
is
where
hitler's
retreat
was
so
the
odd
thing
about
in
the
late
50s.
He
gets
this
idea
of
forming
the
american
nazi
party.
B
B
B
The
commonwealth's
attorney
was
a
man
named
william
j
hasson.
He
was
a
neighbor
of
mine.
I
knew
his
sons
interviewed
him
once
for
the
high
school
paper,
but
in
1960
he
took
or
his
assistant
earl
shaffer,
whom
I
mentioned
earlier-
the
attorney
who
recently
passed
away
and
they
got
a
warrant
and
raided
that
house
on
williamsburg
boulevard
looking
for
weapons
and
it
was
sort
of
a
game.
This
kind
of
established
a
pattern
rather
than
being
intimidated
or
angry
rockwell
was
delighted
and
welcomed
them
and
offered
them
a
piece
of
birthday
cake,
hitler's
birthday.
B
A
B
To
the
washington
star-
and
it
was
repeated
on
television,
this
raid
on
his
house
with
people
outside
neighbors
chanting,
you
know
against
the
nazis
and
the
nazis,
I
think,
filed
out
in
formation.
Whatever
it's
became
clear
that
the
nazis
really
liked
publicity,
that's
one
of
the
patterns
that
they
were
setting.
B
There
was
also
some
talk
at
the
time
of
a
printing
press
that
the
nazis
were
using
to
print
up
very
inflammatory
flyers,
both
anti-black
and
anti-semitic,
and
there
was
drew
pearson
wrote
a
column
about
it.
He
mentioned
this
heir
named
harold
aerosmith,
and
he
also
mentioned
arlington
school
board
member
named
helen
lane.
B
Now
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
remembers
helen
lane?
Okay,
there's
two
or
three
yeah?
She
was
on
the
school
board
in
the
late
50s
and
she
was
a
staunch
segregationist
and
she
was
there
expressly
to
oppose
school
reforms
and,
as
you
all
recall,
in
arlington,
the
the
massive
resistance
to
the
1954
supreme
court
decisions
in
brown
versus
board
of
education
went
on
for
four
or
five
years
on
the
state
level.
B
B
If
you
look
in
the
phone
books
in
the
50s
and
60s,
they
give
the
occupation
of
the
person
who's
listed
in
the
head
of
household,
so
she's
listed
as
a
treasury
clerk,
but
she
went
on
to
go
to
law
school
and
she
shows
up
later
I'll
mention
her
her
again
later,
but
drew
pearson
reported
that
she
was
running
the
printing
press
for
the
nazis
out
of
her
basement.
I
I
can't
vouch
for
that
being
totally
accurate,
but
that
was
reported
at
the
time,
so
rockwell
parlayed
this
into
amazing
national
exposure.
B
He
was
up
in
new
york
city
in
1960
and
fourth
of
july
parade
the
nazis
wanted
to
stage
a
rally
and
mayor
robert
wagner,
banned
him,
and
the
aclu
was
on
the
opposite
side
of
that,
and
it
got
a
lot
of
publicity
for
rockwell.
I've
looked
at
the
clippings,
it
was
front
page
of
the
daily
news
in
the
new
york
post
new
york
times,
and
he
he
would
pick
it
when
sammy
davis
jr
was
performing
in
washington,
sammy
davis
junior
had
a
white
wife
and
he
was
african-american
and
the
nazis
would
protest
him.
B
When
the
president
of
israel,
ben
gurion
came
to
town,
the
nazis
would
pick
at
that
when
gold
of
my
the
movie
exodus
was
shown
in
movie
theaters,
the
nazis
would
pick
pick
at
that.
They
also
picketed
the
white
house
with
eyes
before
kennedy
came
into
office
attacking
some
of
eisenhower's
foreign
policy
for
being
able
to
to
pro
israel
locally.
B
B
B
There
was
a
interview
with
rockwell
famous
interview
in
playboy
magazine
a
little
bit
later
in
the
60s
conducted
by
alex
haley,
who
of
course
went
on
to
write
roots
and
when
the
tv
dramatization
of
roots
was
broadcast
in
the
late
70s
rockwell
had
a
cameo
appearance.
He
was
played
by
marlon
brando,
but
rockwell.
B
He
planned
to
run
for
president
in
1972.
He
did
run
for
governor
in
1965,
governor
of
virginia
on
a
segregation
platform
and
he
got
6
300
votes
or
so,
and
he
bob
dylan
mentioned
him
in
a
song.
This
is
john
birch
society
blues.
I
think
it's
called
and
he
he
also
he
approached
william
f
buckley,
who
had
successfully
launched
his
national
review
and
buckley
kind
of
spurned
him.
Robert
f
kennedy
was
concerned
about
the
nazis.
B
They
have
rallies
downtown
on
the
the
ellipse,
and
this
is
where
my
friend
jack
hiller,
who
took
the
pictures
of
the
nazis
down
on
the
ellipse
and
when
you,
when
you
look
at
these,
we
published
it
in
two
parts
in
northern
virginia
magazine,
jack's,
unpublished,
photos
there.
They
show
the
nazis
inside
their
house
headquarters
on
randolph
street
and
it
shows
them
on
the
ellipse
giving
speeches
and
it's
interesting,
they're
sort
of
sparsely
attended.
You
know
keep
keeping
your
eye
on
that
fact.
B
They
did
use
a
lot
of
hate-filled
rhetoric
all
about
you
know,
making
anne
frank
soap
and
threatening
people,
so
they
would
get
them
into
trouble
eventually
because
they
would
move
into
these
different
headquarters
and
I'll
go
over
the
headquarters
locations
in
just
a
minute
and
they
would
usually
rent
the
place
under
a
assumed
identity.
So
some
of
these
mainstream
real
estate
agents
didn't
quite
or
fellow
tenants.
B
You
know
I
didn't
quite
understand
who
their
new
roommates
were
and
who
they,
who
was
signing
these
leases
so
aerosmith
the
heir
and
parted
ways
with
rockwell
in
about
61
and
rockwell,
moved
into
the
house
that
floyd
fleming
bought
for
him,
which
is
928
randolph
street,
which
today
is
the
richmond
square,
high-rise
apartments
there
in
boston,
right
off
of
fairfax
drive
and
in
that
house
there
was
a
couple
of
memoirs
later
that
talked
about
what
it
looked
like
inside
there
was,
it
was
messy.
There
were
stacks
of
unpaid
bills.
B
At
the
same
time,
the
nazis
had
an
another
what
they
call
their
barracks
on
wilson
boulevard.
I
think
it's
60
400
block
it's
where
upton
hill
regional
park
is
today
and
there
was
an
old
house.
There
belonged
to
admiral
kern,
k-e-r-n
and
his
widow,
and
they
for
reasons
that
are
not
totally
clear
but
lent
the
house
to
maybe
20
or
30
nazis,
and
they
it
then
became
known
as
hate
monger
hill
in
the
press
and
they
had
a
big
sign
and
a
swastika
at
the
top.
B
The
old
house-
and
I
would
later
talk
to
reporters
who
would
visit
the
house-
and
there
was
these
rabid-looking
dogs
or
they'd,
heard
rumors
of
rabid
dogs
out
in
front,
but
whenever
they
actually
got
up
there
there,
the
dogs
were
just
gentle
and
they
also
thought
that
a
lot
of
those
nazi
them
party
members
hanging
around
in
hatemaker
hill,
that
more
than
one
was
an
fbi
agent.
So
yeah
both
those
houses
were
infiltrated
different
times
by
reporters
too
and
there's
the
washington
daily
news.
B
By
the
way
he
still
has
photographs
from
the
period
with
nazis
there.
If
you
look
at
top
of
the
building,
you
can
see
the
stanchion
where
the
nazi
flag
used
to
stand
and
he's
found
little
business
cards
of
the
nazis.
You
know
tucked
in
the
drywall
of
his
his
building,
but
meanwhile
the
the
issue
began
to
arise
of
should
arlingtonians
be
resisting
the
presence
of
these
nazis.
I
mean
think
about
it.
It's
15,
17
years
after
world
war
ii
and
many
people
in
arlington
had
fought
in
world
war
ii
and
fought
the
nazis.
B
B
B
B
They
all
covered
the
nazis,
but
they
had
an
informal
sort
of
second
thoughts
about
it.
A
policy
with
it,
which
was
some
people
called
quarantine,
which
is
you
know,
we're
only
going
to
cover
them
if
it's
really
really
big,
not
these
routine
things,
but
the
exception
to
that
quarantine
policy
was
the
editor
publisher
of
the
northern
virginia
sun
who's
hermann
obermeyer,
who
I
have
since
become
friendly
with,
and
do
some
research
for,
because
he's
still
researching
and
writing
on
on
the
nazis,
because
it
was
a
big
part
of
his
life.
B
So
it
was
a
subject
close
to
his
heart
and
he
he
he
could
not
believe
that
the
nazis
were
not
were
tolerated
to
the
extent
that
they
were
and
he
one
of
his
he
thought
that
they
didn't
pay.
Their
taxes,
didn't
have
proper
business
licenses
and
he
also
heard
a
story
of
a
baby
that
was
born
inside
the
the
house
on
wilson
boulevard
but
died,
and
that
there
was
no
record
of
this
or
no
investigation.
B
He
has
a
lot
of
insights
into
this
and
he
recalls
you
know
the
the
nazis
continuing
to
be
active
in
the
70s
and
80s
too
it's
after
rockwell's
death.
So
this
brings
us
to
the
the
assassination
now
some
I'd
love
to
see
a
show
of
hands.
August
25th
1967,
george
lincoln
rockwell,
is
murdered
here
in
arlington.
How
many
people
remember
that
are
were
here.
Look
at
that.
B
B
It
was
reported
in
in
berlin
and
munich
and
in
tokyo
and
in
paris
and
in
london,
so
rockwell
is
living
at
the
barracks
hate
monger
hill
up
there
at
wilson
boulevard
two
blocks
from
this
dominion
hills
shopping
center,
which
today
is,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
article
in
the
arlington
magazine,
is
right
across
from
the
skateboard
park
and
and
he's
down
he's
down
there
doing
his
laundry
now.
Here's
the
other
thing,
everybody
who's,
whoever
met
rockwell
and
I've
interviewed,
maybe
six
or
eight
people
who
knew
him.
Personally.
B
They
all
said
that
he
was
a
gentleman
when
he
was
around
white
people,
obviously,
and
that
he
had
all
this
charisma.
You
know
that
he
wasn't
a
normal
guy.
He
was
six
foot
four,
he
had
kind
of
flashing
eyes
and
he
was
sort
of
a
take
charge
character
when
he
would
come
into
the
room
and
and
there's
a
william
and
mary
student
who
interviewed
him
way
back
in
the
mid
60s.
B
Who
said
that
he
had
all
kinds
of
leadership
aura
that
would
people
would
be
intimidated
by
them,
and
this
is
the
reaction
to
the
owner
of
the
laundromat,
a
woman
named
ruby.
I
forget
her
last
name
and
tom
blankeny,
who
was
the
barber
next
door
at
tom's
barber
shop.
They
were
the
the
nazis
were
all
regular
customers
there
at
the
shopping
center
and
they
were
all
very
gentlemanly.
They
used
to
say
so.
Rockwell
is
doing
his
laundry
and
he's
forgotten
his
bleach.
B
So
he
steps
out
into
the
parking
lot
to
get
in
his
chevrolet.
I
think
it
is
and
drive
back
up
two
blocks
up
to
up
the
hills
and
the
shots
ring
out
and
he
collapses
and
by
the
way
the
north
virginia
sun
had
one
of
the
first
reporters
and
photographers
there.
They
think
herman
obermar
thinks
they
got
there
before
the
police.
B
B
I
think
you
pronounce
it
and
he
and
rockwell
had
had
a
falling
out.
Rockwell
was
his
idol
for
about
two
years
and
he
was
in
and
out
of
the
party
and
he
they
found
a
letter
in
his
wallet
that
brought
out
some
of
this
drama,
and
later
people
speculated
that
rockwell
was
wanted
to
have
sex
with
patler's
wife
and
that
may
have
led
to
some
tension.
B
But
I
can't
document
that,
but
it's
been
said
so
the
assassin
runs
away
on
foot
and
there's
a
big
chase.
It's
all
documented
the
neighbors
there
on
liberty,
street
livingston
street,
all
these
l
streets
off
of
wilson
boulevard
there,
many
of
whom
may
still
live
there.
I
have
friends
in
that
neighborhood
I
interviewed
one
or
two
of
them
for
the
story.
B
They
they
chase
this
character
and
suddenly
patler
is
picked
up
on
washington.
Boulevard
and
harrison
street
right
between
inglewood
and
harrison.
There's
a
bus
stop
still
there
I'd
drive
by
and
have
to
notice
it
he's
got
wet
pants,
pants,
wet
up
to
the
knees
he's
standing
at
this
bus
stop
and
he's
recognized
by
arlington
police,
chief
or
deputy
chief
named
raymond
boots.
B
Cole,
who
knew
all
the
nazis
had
been
surveying
it
for
years
and
he's
arrested
and
later
it
goes
to
trial
and
hassan
is
the
prosecutor
who
I
mentioned
earlier
with
earl
shaffer
his
deputy,
and
they
are
asking
for
the
death
penalty
and
they
find
some
of
the
evidence.
It
was
a
german
pistol
that
had
been.
They
proved
to
have
been
test-fired
by
it
at
a
farm
down
in
culpepper
by
one
of
patler's,
friends
or
something
and
patler
apparently
had
ditched
the
gun
after
he
shot
rockwell
in
four
mile
run
right
there
at
bonaire
park.
B
Again
I
ride
my
bike
by
there
and
I
always
think
about
it,
and
a
police
officer
heroically
just
waded
into
the
four
mile
run
and
found
it.
That
became
a
big
piece
of
evidence
and
patler
claimed
that
that
he
wasn't
near
wilson
boulevard
that
day
that
he
was
shopping
with
his
wife.
The
paddler's
home
is
in
lyon
village.
At
the
time.
It's
it's
now
a
pioneer
motors,
a
lot
where
his
house
was
and
they
claim
they
have
running
errands.
B
They
were
at
arlington
paper
supply,
which
is
the
current
site
of
arlington
red
top
cab,
and
but
he
he
was
found
guilty
and
the
wife
screamed,
and
but
instead
of
the
death
penalty,
he
was
given
a
a
a
much
lighter
sentence.
I
think
it's
eight
years
I
have
that
and
he
he
didn't
serve
at
all.
He
was
released
a
little
bit
early
for
good
behavior.
Then
he
was
back
and
then
he
changed
his
name
back
to
patsulos
and
became
some
kind
of
a
printer
newspaper
printer,
but
meanwhile
the
nazis.
B
There
was
this
fiasco
about
where
to
bury
rockwell
and
remember
he's
a
military,
veteran
korea
in
world
war
ii.
So
he
has
rights
to
be
buried
in
some
kind
of
national
cemetery,
so
they
start
negotiating
with
the
pentagon
and
the
pentagon
has
to
agree
to
allow
them.
They
pick
a
cemetery
down
at
culpepper.
B
The
only
problem
is
the
nazis
want
to
have
all
sorts
of
regalia
and
swastikas
and
flags,
and
the
military
will
not
tolerate
this,
so
they
have
a
stalemate
again.
The
aclu
comes
down
on
the
side
of
the
nazis
as
a
matter
of
principle,
and
so
they
have
they.
They
end
up
he's
not
they.
They
bring
the
body
all
the
way
down
to
culpepper
and
then
bring
it
all
the
way
back
and
his
ashes
are
then
left
with
the
successors
who
were
living
in
the
wilson
boulevard
house
and
matt.
Kale
is
his
name.
B
He
tries
to
look
like
rockwell
doesn't
have
any
of
the
charisma.
He
can't
give
as
good
a
speech
and
the
nazis
then
move
to
the
java
shack
site
franklin
road
and
they
continue
to
be
active
in
arlington.
They
send
out
flyers,
they
protest
at
the
bicentennial
they
want
to
march
in
the
1976
bicentennial
parade
in
arkansas,
which
they
were
permitted
to
do
in
1983
in
1977,
the
10-year
anniversary
of
this
assassination.
B
They
had
a
ceremony
at
dominion,
hills
shopping
center
and
there
are
photos
of
that.
These
young
nazis
still
in
uniform
standing
there
with
a
outline
of
where
rockwell
was
killed,
outline
of
a
swastika
and
in
1983
they.
It
was
a
sort
of
final
act
in
arlington
they
they
wanted
to
have
a
white
pride
day
at
yorktown,
high
school
and
again
once
free
speech
grounds
the
school
board
after
much
agonizing
permitted
it
they
right
around
then
82
83,
they
moved
out
of
arlington.
B
B
I
found
a
business
card
from
them
in
one
of
the
rock
rockwell
books,
but
it
was
run
by
a
guy
named
harold
covington,
using
the
gnome
de
guerre
of
winston
smith,
which
is
the
name
of
the
central
character
in
george
orwell's
1984.,
but
harold
covington
grew
up
in
chapel
hill,
north
carolina
and
my
wife
who's
here
today
was
in
his
high
school
class,
and
we
remember
him.
He
ran
for
senator
or
something
from
north
carolina
back
in
the
70s
and
he
he's
still
around
and
then
this.
B
This
leaves
us
with
the
one
big
question
again
of
why
why
the
nazis
were
tolerated,
and
there
was
a
resistance
group
very
heroic
people
called
concerned
citizens,
and
this
was
made
up
of
many
of
arlington's
jewish
families,
several
of
whom
I,
whose
kids
I
went
to
school
with,
and
I
was
pleased
to
go
through
the
files
it
was.
It
was
organized
by
the
civic
federation.
B
Families
named
planck,
reverend
yount
from
the
first
presbyterian
church
was
active
in
it,
and
then
families
nakman,
who
owned
the
bicycle
shop
and
leibowitz
and
arkhan
all
those
final.
Those
latter
three
are
all
have
kids,
my
my
age,
who
I
went
to
school
with
them
and
been
in
touch
with
as
a
matter
of
fact,
and
they
they
wanted
to
organize
to
pressure
the
authorities
to
enforce
the
laws
against
and
try
and
get
get
them
on.
Technicalities
like
failure
to
have
business
licenses
and
value
to
pay.
A
B
B
Aerosmith
moved
to
germany
and
he
died
there
in.
I
think
the
90s
and
his
heirs,
maybe
his
80s
his.
He
left
a
whole
lot
of
money
to
these
distant
heirs
who
never
met
him,
and
there
was
a
big
court
battle
about
it,
which
is
how
I
was
able
to
track
down
some
of
the
documents.
And
so
it's
you
know
it's
a
today.
There
are
still
descendants
of
the
nazis.