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From YouTube: Bob Edwards at Arlington Public Library
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On June 14, SiriusXM and PRI Radio host Bob Edwards spoke to the Friends of the Arlington Public Library about his career at NPR and his books on Red Barber and Edward R. Murrow..
A
So
we're
all
here
tonight
to
not
only
celebrate
the
friends
and
their
achievement,
but
to
hear
from
one
of
our
foremost
figures
in
american
radio,
bob
edwards
is
known
to
many
of
you.
He
came
originally
from
louisville
kentucky
but
arrived
in
washington
to
work
for
wtaop.
A
Many
of
us
know
him
from
earlier
all
things
considered,
which
I
believe
he
began
in
1974
and
then
went
on
to
morning
edition
now
he's
on
satellite
radio,
with
the
bob
edwards
show
and
weekend
with
bob
edwards
on
wamu,
so
he's
well
known
to
listeners
of
the
radio,
the
sort
of
original
social
media
which
persists
in
popularity
even
today
with
all
of
the
other
distractions
and
things
that
are
available
to
us
he's
a
noted
author.
We
might
get
a
sneak
preview
of
his
life
in
radio
with
the
book
forthcoming.
A
B
B
B
I
ironically
grew
up
in
a
house
with
no
books,
and
maybe
that's
why
my
parents
were
not
stupid.
They
were
not
illiterate,
they
devoured
the
newspaper
every
day
they
read
every
word.
It
was
a
good
newspaper
back.
Then
it
was
a
louisville
courier
journal,
but
I
don't
know
we
were
working
class.
I
know
they
grew
up
during
the
depression.
Maybe
books
were
a
luxury
both
of
their
daddies
worked
on
the
railroad,
and
you
know
there
are
lots
of
blue-collar
bookworms
out
there,
but
not
in
my
house.
B
B
So
I
remember
the
first
two
I
bought.
It
was
the
diary
of
a
young
girl
by
anne
frank
and
to
kill
a
mockingbird
harper
lee
and
I
took
them
home
and
I
read
them
put
them
on
the
table.
Next
to
the
bed,
didn't
have
a
bookshelf
in
their
books
and
those
books
look
great
there.
B
B
I
bought
dickens
and
shakespeare
and
carlisle
and
spencer,
and
you
know,
booth,
tarkington
and
faulkner
and
hemingway
and
fitzgerald
and
the
brontes
jane
austen,
and
this
kept
on
for
years
and
years.
Until
one
day
I
went
to
work
for
this
place
called
in
those
days,
national
public
radio,
which
no
longer
exists
by
the
way
they're
now
npr.
B
B
Her
ceo
is
now
one
of
us
a
lot
of
job
openings
downtown.
If
you
want
and
yeah
we
have
great
fun
on
the
page
grousing
about
you
know
how
great
it
used
to
be
anyway.
Oh
no,
we
also
discuss
how
journalistic
miracles
are
performed
at
npr
daily
still,
thank
god
and
we
all
are
still
in
love
with
the
place.
Anyway.
I
got
this
job,
I'm
26
years
old
and
books
are
landing.
On
my
desk
every
day
I
was
co-hosting
all
things
considered
and
and
they're
they're
addressed
to
me
and
they're
free.
B
Oh,
my
god.
You
know
I've
gone
to
heaven
and
you
know,
and
not
only
that
I
get
to
talk
to
the
people
who
wrote
these
things.
I'm
26
years
old,
I'm
interviewing
alan
ginsberg
and
and
john
updike
and
and
some
of
these
people
become
friends
of
mine.
Like
richard
bausch
and
bobby
ann
mason,
I
mean
what
a
life.
Well,
that's
the
last
time
I
bought
a
book.
I
have
not
bought
a
book
since
I
went
to
work
for
npr
in
february.
B
B
The
dining
room
was
kentucky
robert
penn
warren
wendell
berry
james
still,
great
writers.
Let's
see,
oh
yes,
literary
biography
was
in
my
bedroom.
Sports
was
in
the
attic.
B
I
gave
6
000
books
to
american
university
they're
still
over
there
they're
in
driving
distance.
I
can
go
visit
them
and
I
had
that
done.
On
a
day
when
I
was
out
of
the
house,
I
couldn't
couldn't
bear
to
see
it
couldn't
bear
to
see
it
happen.
B
So
that's
what
happened
to
my
library,
but
I'm
still
interviewing
authors
still
amassing
books,
never
thought.
I
would
write
one
of
my
own
and
then
one
day
my
friend
red
barber
died
red
barber
was
a
pioneer
sportscaster
started
in
radio
in
1930
when
they
were
still
making
it
up.
Writing
their
own
rules
of
radio,
very
colorful
man,
southerner
storyteller
had
this
great
accent
fabulous
expressions
and
he
would
work
them
into
play-by-play
broadcasting
of
first
the
cincinnati
reds,
then
the
brooklyn
dodgers
and
the
new
york
yankees.
B
You
know
an
infielder
would
have
trouble
with
the
ball.
Well
that
that
ball
was
as
slick
as
oiled
okra.
B
He
would
quote
his
mother
was
a
school
teacher,
so
he
would
quote
byron
and
and
coleridge
a
shortstop.
Would
you
know
boot
two
balls
and
and
make
a
good
play
on
the
third
and
he
would
say,
and
and
like
the
ancient
mariner
he
stoppeth
one
in
three.
B
You
didn't
get
this
stuff
from
harry
kerry.
You
know.
So.
When
we
started
morning
edition,
we
had
a
sports
segment,
we
had
designated
segments
new
news
feature
sports
was
down
here,
I'm
going
around
the
clock,
business
and
arts,
and
so
we
had
designated
segments
and
no
history
of
ever
doing
sports
in
public
radio.
No,
we
had
no
sports
reporter.
Then
the
stations
had
never
done
sports.
Well,
we.
What
are
we
gonna?
B
Do
we're
gonna
put
commentators
in
there,
so
ketzel
levine
was
the
sports
producer
and,
and
she
recruited
red
as
one
of
the
commentators,
frank
deford
was
another
one
and
he's
still
doing
it.
After
all
these
use,
and
it
was
red's
idea
that
he
didn't
want
to
read
a
script
or
anything.
He
didn't
want
to
write
anything.
He
wanted
to
have
a
live
conversation
with
the
host
of
the
program.
B
That
was
me,
and
this
turned
out
to
be
the
best
thing
that
ever
happened
to
me,
because
I
learned
how
to
do
broadcasting
without
a
script,
and
sometimes
you
have
to
do
that
when
there's
breaking
news
like
on
9
11.,
you
know,
there's
I
got
nothing
to
go
on.
I'm
I've
just
got
to
tell
you
what
people
are
telling
me
in
my
ear
and
what's
moving
on
the
wires
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
red
barber
taught
me
how
to
do
that,
because
this
was
so
unscripted
and
he
would
ask
me
questions
ever.
B
I've
never
been
asked
questions
before
and
it
was
just
a
wonderful
wonderful
thing
and
and
people
loved
it
they
didn't
go
anywhere
for
those
four
minutes
and
they
listened
and
loved
it
dearly.
I
think
it
was
the
most
popular
thing
ever
at
npr
and
then
one
day
he
died
and
people
were
hurt
and
sad
and
publishers
started.
Calling
me
saying
you
should
do
a
book
about
that.
B
I
have
one
here,
so
I
did
this
book
friday
some
thread,
and
you
know
it
was
a
lovely
experience
and
I
thought
that
would
be
it
and
then
one
day
I
got
a
letter
from
john
wiley
and
sons
publisher
and
they
said
we're
doing.
This
series
called
turning
points:
they're
little
books,
40
000
words
each
and
it's
a
series
and
there
are
moments
in
history
or
lives
or
whatever
and
alan
dershowitz
is
doing
one
and
william
f.
Buckley
is
doing
one,
william
least
heat
moon
is
doing
one.
Would
you
do
one?
B
Okay?
Can
I
write
about
edward
r
murrow
and
they
said
sure
anything
you
want.
So
you
know
murrell
and
my
estimation
had
two
turning
points.
I
think
he
was
the
one
responsible
for
making
radio
a
source
of
original
news,
not
just
rip
and
read
not
just
covering
live
events
like
trials
and
press
conferences
and
the
like,
but
having
a
team
of
reporters
go
out
and
cover
the
news
in
an
original
fashion.
B
The
war
made
that
a
necessity
world
war
ii-
and
that
was
the
beginnings
really
I
think,
of
broadcast
journalism,
and
he
did
it
again
in
television
with
see
it
now,
a
magazine
program
that
you
know
long
preceded
60
minutes
and
did
magnificent
investigative
reporting
and
helped
bring
down
senator
joe
mccarthy.
B
So,
with
with
that
narrow
focus
and
not
having
to
do
merle's
entire
life
and
being
limited
to
40,
000
words
yeah,
I
could
do
that
without
taking
a
day
off
work.
I
could
do
that
in
afternoons
and
and
weekends.
So.
B
B
He
was
just
magnificent,
and
so
there
was
book
two
and
I
thought
well,
that's
that
and
then
one
day
some
genius
decided.
I
I
shouldn't
do
morning
edition
anymore
and
so.
B
And
the
timing
was
interesting,
it
was
well
while
this
was
announced,
while
stations
were
doing
pledge
drives.
B
So
imagine
how
pleased
they
were
and-
and
so
listeners
wanting
to
you
know,
strike
back
blame
the
stations
by
withholding
their
money.
They
didn't
feel
like
giving
money
and
it
wasn't
the
station's
fault
they
weren't
consulted.
You
know
it
was
ridiculous
that
they
were
hurt
by
this,
but
anyway,
stations
were
angry.
At
npr,
listeners
were
angry
at
npr
and
they
kind
of
lost
their
composure
and
had
to
find
other
reasons
for
why
they
did
what
they
did.
B
B
Bob
edwards
show
one
hour:
interview
program,
he's
got
a
salary
figure,
he's
got
stock
options
and
then
he
says
maybe
npr
doesn't
want
to
hear
you
every
day,
but
I
do
yes,
yes,
guy,
like
that,
you
say
yes,
and
so
I
got
these
other
offers
man,
the
phones
were
ringing,
it
was
cnn,
abc,
associated
press.
Two
universities
wanted
me
to
teach,
didn't
even
return.
The
calls
I
had
this
guy.
I
was
going
to
work
for
this
guy.
B
So
then
he
calls
me
in
and
shows
me
the
place
where
I'm
going
to
work,
this
little
suite
of
offices
where
all
my
producers
are
going
to
be
and
you
go
through
a
little
hallway
and
throughout
all
the
throughout
everywhere
at
xm.
There
are
giant
posters
of
you
know,
dizzy
gillespie
and
bonnie
raid
and
melissa
etheridge
and
all
these
performers
on
either
side
of
this
hallway.
There's
a
picture
of
admiral
and
another
one
of
red
barber.
Just
little
touches
like
that.
You
know
you
got
to
work
for
that.
Guy
and
they're
big
poster
size
photos.
B
Obviously,
what
happened
then,
and
the
seven
years
since
doing
a
daily
program
for
sirius
now
called
sirius,
xm,
satellite
radio,
we
merged
and
then
a
weekend
program
for
pri
called
bob
edwards
weekend.
There's
more
to
talk
about.
B
B
There's
the
cover,
but
it's
this
is
an
interesting
illustration.
Okay,
now
this
either
well
I'll
tell
you
in
a
second
all
right,
there's
this
and
then
there's
this
bidding
war.
Simon
schuster,
major
house
won.
The
bidding
war
gave
me
in
advance,
120
000,.
B
B
B
Gentlemen,
five
thousand
dollars
the
first
advance
they've
ever
paid
in
their
history
and
boy
did
they?
Let
me
know
it
repeatedly.
This
is
one
step
above
vanity
publishing
this
book
is
like
a
rumor.
You
know
it'll
be
in
ten
percent
of
the
bookstores
that
these,
so
this
is
either
the
way
of
the
publishing
industry,
where
they're
very
careful
about
what
books
they
publish-
or
this
is
the
downward
spiral
of
my
life
and
career.
B
Fridays
with
red
is
interesting.
Let
me
let
me
tell
you
what
I
wrote
in
here
about
that.
I
don't
know
this.
Just
amuses
me
may
not
mean
anything
to
you
at
all.
Okay,
since
red
had
meant
so
much
to
our
listeners.
I
decided
to
take
four
months
off
and
write
a
book
about
his
life
and
his
time
on
morning
edition
and
our
friendship.
B
Fridays
with
red
was
a
nice
little
book
about
an
old
man
and
a
young
man,
a
mentor
and
his
student.
The
old
man
is
endearing
funny
and
says
wise
things,
and
then
he
dies
and
the
young
man
misses
him.
It
sold
42
000
copies
and
is
now
out
of
print
years
later,
sports
writer
mitch
album
wrote
a
book
about
his
friendship
with
college.
Professor
maurice
schwartz
tuesdays
with
murray
is
a
nice
little
book
about
an
old
man
and
a
young
man,
a
mentor
and
a
student.
B
B
B
They
have
a
lot
to
say
and
you
get
them
before
they
go
so
the
first
I
made
a
list
of
people
who
could
sustain
a
long
conversation
and,
of
course,
right
at
the
top
was
studs
turkle,
because
all
you
had
to
do
was
say.
C
B
B
Have
and
he
would
fit,
and
he
would
you
know,
do
it
to
the
second.
Those
guys
were
great.
I
love
those
guys.
Studs
would
go
off
on
tangents,
oh
man,
they
would,
you
know
whine
through
you
know
the
wobblies
and
you
know
the
depression
and
and
red
baiting
and
on
and
on
and
I
would
be
enthralled
and
he
would
you
know
I
would
forget
what
I
had
asked
him,
but
he
would
come
right
back
it
had
it
had
a
point
and
his
tangents.
He
never
forgot
what
I
had
asked
him.
B
He,
the
tangents,
were
important
and
he'd
come
right
back
to
answer
what
I
had
asked
him.
It
was
just
stunning
what
I'm
doing
is
something:
that's
almost
lost.
It's
conversation,
we
don't
have
conversation
anymore.
We
we
do
business,
we
sell
books,
we
we
shout,
we
bloviate,
we
opine,
we
we
get
the
message
of
the
day
across,
but
we
don't
have
conversation.
B
So
that's
the
point
of
the
program
I'm
doing
and
we're
also
able
to
do
other
things.
We
do
documentaries,
I'm
still
a
reporter.
I
still
get
to
go
out
and
do
stories
did
documentaries
on
homeless
children
on
mountaintop
removal,
coal,
mining
on
hate
crimes
against
latinos.
All
very
sexy
subjects
like
that.
Why
do
we
do
it
for
the
ratings
of
course,
like
four
hours
we
did
on
libraries?
B
Keep
libraries
four
hours
on
libraries
because
it's
so
sexy,
we
were
worried
about
publishing
and
we
did,
I
think,
five
hours
on
publishing
from
all
different
perspectives
from
those
of
writers,
booksellers
book
banners
librarians,
who
are
confronted
with
angry
irate
citizens
who
want
books
taken
off
the
shelves
and
what's
the
process
for
that
all
kinds
of
things
we
worried
about
publishing
because
again,
peop
publishers
are
careful
now
much
more
careful
books
that
would
have
been
published
for
sure
in
the
past
are
now
not
getting
published
at
all
or
maybe
they're,
finding
other
ways
they're
being
self-published
or
they're
published
online.
B
B
We
do
what
we
please
and
it's
exciting.
I
mean
who
gets
to
do
that,
but
you
know
hats
off
to
my
bosses,
who
are
even
greater
because
they're
in
new
york-
and
I
never
see
them,
but
they
never
tell
me
who
to
talk
to
they're,
always
positive
about
the
programs.
B
I
I
don't
know
how
long
this
is
going
to
last,
but
I'm
having
a
great
time
and
I'm
you
know
still
bringing
the
authors
on
tomorrow.
Ann
patchett
is
a
wonderful
rider
and
thursday
dean
faulkner
wells
who
is
william
faulkner's
niece
and
helped
raise
him.
She
called
him
pappy
and
she's
got
tails,
oh
my
god
wild
tales,
but
it's
about
faulkner.
So
you
know
it's
true
and
and
we'll
tour
roanoke
his
house
in
oxford
tours
are
great
on
the
radio.
Everything
looks
great
so
still
doing
literature.
B
B
B
Oh!
I
just
love
dan.
I
wanted
to.
Oh,
there
was
a
period
when
I
left
npr,
where
they
wouldn't
allow
anyone
to
come
over
and
talk
to
me.
You
know
I
want
to
talk
to
scott
scott
had
a
novel
out,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
to
him
about
that.
I
wouldn't
let
him
come
and
I
wanted
to
bring
dan
over
on
his
90th
birthday
and
they
wouldn't.
Let
me
do
it
and
finally,
I
did
get
him
like
when
he
was
about
93.
I
guess
I
finally
got
to
talk
to
dan.
B
I
remember
dan
when
I
was
working
at
npr
on
on
m
street
when
it
was
on
m
street
and
cbs
is
across
the
street
they're
still
there.
So
we
would
see
these
guys
at
lunch.
You
know
they
all
had
the
great
suits
and
made
tons
of
money,
and
we
were
you
know
nothing
in
those
days,
and
I
remember
dan,
I
was
at
a
on
a
sidewalk
cafe
and
dan
had
his
salad
and
his
salad
consisted
entirely
of
cherry
tomatoes,
and
I
asked
him
about
it
years
later,
when
I
got
to
know
him
and
he
swears.
B
You
know
he
was
a
very
aggressive
reporter,
but
a
very
good
one
and
a
very
accurate
one
and-
and
I
think
it
was
just
fabulous
that
he
devoted
all
those
years
his
final
years
to
to
npr.
You
know
there
was
a
line
in
what
was
the
movie
about
the
tobacco
industry
in
60
minutes.
B
E
Thank
you
bob
for
continuing
to
enrich
our
lives.
I
remember
vividly
when
you
were
saying
goodbye
on
the
air.
I
think
was
your
last
morning
edition
broadcast
and
it
was
a
very
folksy
comment.
Looking
ahead
to
your
new
life-
and
I
remember
vividly-
you
spoke
with
great
conviction
about
fi
finally
being
able
to
get
a
family
dog
because
you
wouldn't
have
to
wake
up
at
whatever
it
was
three
in
the
morning
to
do
morning
edition.
So
is
there
a
story
there.
B
B
B
I
miss
sam
he's
a
border,
collie,
wonderful
dog,
loved
him.
We
were
on
the
book,
tour
and
and
sharon
and
sam
joined
me
for
part
of
it
in
north
carolina
seven
years
ago
everything
was
still
cool
and
then
people
knew
about
the
dog,
and
I
said
you
know
they
asked
me
about
it
in
q.
A
and
I
said
well
he's
here
and
and
you
know
we
broke
up
and
they
went
outside
and
they
saw
sharon
walking
sam.
B
B
B
She
talks
to
people,
she
just
doesn't
give
interviews,
you
know
nell,
as
she's
known
I
mean
she's.
Everyone
sees
her
at
the
safeway
and
chats
are
up
and
she's
just
fine
old
alabamian,
but
she
doesn't
do
interviews,
but
yeah
she'd
be
number
one
on
my
list.
B
B
B
B
Oh
lots
just
talked
to
david
mccullough
again
the
other
day.
I
love
him.
We
put
that
on
the
air.
I
was
a
big
fan
of
stephen
ambrose
and
and
loved
him,
daniel
borstein.
Who
else
did
I
have
the
the
james
billington,
the
librarian
of
congress.
B
All
them
dudes:
well,
I'm
history,
dudes
eric
foner,
good
on
labor
history
and
I'm
a
big
union
guy.
So.
B
You
know
all
those
years
I
was
on
npr
prided
myself
in
reading
the
book
read
every
one
of
them,
but
this
show
is
different.
You
know
it's
not
me
and
a
whole
mess
of
reporters.
It's
just
me
and
I
can't
do
them
all.
I
can't
prepare
every
interview
and
I'm
I
prepare
some,
but
I'm
one
of
10
who
helped
prep
me
and
it
has
to
be
that
way.
B
Unfortunately,
I
can
read
a
little
of
each
thing,
but
the
producers
are
doing
them,
the
heavy
lifting
on
preparation
and
it
works
out
well
because
I'm
I'm
doing
what
they
prepare
and
then
I'm
doing
my
own
curiosity
along
the
way
and
it's
a
nice
mix,
and
I
read
anne's
last
book,
not
this
one.
So
somebody
else
read
this
one
and
that's
how
I
prepare
I
cram.
I
have
preparation
done
for
me
and
then
I
you
know
just
go
cram
for
half
an
hour
an
hour.
B
The
other
things
are
easier
to
do:
the
cds
for
musicians
and
documentaries.
Oh,
my
god
are
we
in
the
golden
age
of
documentaries
and
it's
wonderful
and
I
can
see
those
you
know
two
hours
with
the
dvd
player.
That's
not
hard.
B
Nice
and
flat
have
desperately
wanted
all
of
those
shows
in
the
library
of
congress
and
all
of
my
npr
stuff
is
in
the
library
of
congress,
all
those
years
30
years
of
work
it's
in
the
national
archives,
but
I
want
this
show,
and
these
are
you
know
these
are
great
interviews.
You
know.
You've
got
like
the
last
interview
that
arthur
schlesinger
ever
did
probably
was
with
me
and
clarence
jones,
who
was
martin
luther
king's
lawyer,
fascinating
interview.
You
know
an
hour
with
him
several
hours
with
studs.
B
And
that
stuff
should
be
preserved
somewhere
and
it
was
preserved
with
us,
but
I
wanted
where
everybody
can
get
to
it.
I
want
it
in
the
library
of
congress,
you
can
get
podcasts
of
our
weekend
show
and
a
lot
of
people
do.
B
B
My
parents
raised
me
to
be
an
introvert
and
they
were
very
successful
until
until
like
keeler,
you
know
shy.
People
go
to
radio,
I
guess
yeah.
My
father
worked
at
city
hall
in
louisville
and
always
thought
that
there
would
be
some
family
scandal
that
would
you.
G
B
So
you
know
I
was
raised
to
be,
and
this
was
during
the
mccarthy
year
when
I
was
a
child
to
sit
in
the
back
of
the
room
volunteer
for
nothing
sit
on
your
hands,
don't
speak
up
so
naturally
you
know,
I
ended
up
talking
to
13
million
people
on
morning
edition
and
I
told
them
from
but
the
the
title
of
my
book
coming
out.
The
memoir
is
a
voice
in
the
box.
B
B
You
know
always
mysterious
that
green
eye
that
kept
looking
I'm
talking
about
three
now,
I'm
three
years
old
and
I
want
to
be
a
voice
in
the
box,
and
I
knew
what
I
wanted
to
be
right
then
and
kept
pointing
toward
that
all
my
life.
And
but
you
know
my
dad
just
couldn't
understand
this.
We
worked
in
factories
and
plants
and
that's
what
we
did
or
in
his
case
finally,
the
city
hall,
and
he
wanted
me
to
be.
You
know,
a
bag
boy
at
the
wenn
dixie
store
and
all
the
other
kids
were.
B
B
So
he
finally
got
his
wish
whole
foods
in
winter
park
florida
if
you're
ever
down
there
and
see
eleanor
yeah,
but
yes,
they
did,
and
my
father
said
to
me
once
you
know,
if
you'd
listen
to
me,
you
wouldn't
have
amounted
to
anything
which,
which
is
world
war
ii
generation.
B
Talk
for
I
love
you,
but
you
know
they
can't
say
that
you
know
guys.
You
know
can't
say
that
but
yeah
I
got
it
and
my
mother,
of
course,
was
crazy.
You
know
just
loved
it
loved
that
I
was
in
radio
and,
and
you
know
in
the
hospitals
that
she
was
in
the
last
five
years
of
her
life,
every
orderly
everybody
can.
This
is
my
son
bob
on
the
radio.
You
know.
B
It's
like
they
came,
I
gotta
mop
this
like
they
cared,
you
know,
but
she
was
so
proud
and-
and
I
I
told
you
about
the
introvert
thing,
because
my
father
ended
up
doing
fundraising
spots
for
they
lived
in
sun
city
for
13
years
and
he
did
fundraising
spots
for
the
station
in
arizona
which
I
thought
was
so
ironic.
B
D
H
B
So
digitally
oriented
now
they
are
hiring
and
hiring
and
hiring
on
the
digital
side,
and
that's
that's
where
they
believe
their
future
is
that
ceo,
that
was
briefly.
There
came
from
the
new
york
times
digital
operations
and
is
now
doing
msnbc's
online.
B
I
think
all
of
nbc's
online
activities,
so
that's
where
they
think
they're
headed.
I
think
I
look
at
the
20
something
million
people
who
are
listening
to
them
on
the
radio
and
think
that
needs
some
maintenance
and
care,
and
you
know
attention
that's
what
built
the
franchise
and
nobody
is
listening
to
anything
else
in
those
numbers.
You
know
rush
rush
claims,
I
don't
know
20
something
million,
but
but
that
is
that's
just
phenomenal-
the
reach
of
that
no
other
operation
in
radio
or
television.
B
Now
you
know
when
I
was
on
morning
edition,
it
wasn't
just
radio
that
I
was
ahead
of
for
morning.
Radio
I
mean
I
had
I
dwarfed.
The
today
show
audience
you
know
it
was
bigger
than
anything
on
tv
or
radio.
We
started
one
day
with
no
listeners
when
I
left
it
was
13
million.
Now
it's
much
more,
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
good
thing.
What
they're
doing
they're
doing
news
they're
doing
it
for
the
right
reasons,
they're
doing
it
ethically,
who
knew
someone
would
listen
to
that
they.
B
They
have
overturned
every
canard
about
news
that
commercial
broadcasting
believed
like
no
one
wants
to
hear
foreign
news.
They
just
want
to
know
what's
going
on
in
their
backyard.
Well,
that's
nuts
npr
has
17
overseas
bureaus
when
the
rest
of
journalism
was
closing
them
down.
Npr
was
opening
them
up.
People
do
want
to
hear
that
take
a
taxi
in
in
dc.
B
It
was
ethiopian
many
of
our
cab
drivers
here
are
ethiopian
and
he
heard
my
voice
and
wouldn't
let
me
pay,
I
said
man
come
on.
You
got
to
take
them
affair,
no
wouldn't
take.
I
said
we'll
send
it
back
to
addis
ababa
or
something
yeah,
no
wouldn't
hear
of
it.
No,
he
had
had
bob
in
the
cab
he
had.
You
know
now.
If
I'd
been
dying,
ream,
oh.
B
B
D
Murrow
and
as
you
know
what
he
he
never
planned
on
becoming
edward
r
murrow,
his
training
in
college
and
then
some
unexpected
circumstances,
sort
of
blended
together,
and
I
guess
I
wondered
again
asking
you
to
have
a
crystal
ball.
D
B
In
the
future,
murrah
was
really
headed
toward
education
and
joined
cbs.
As
director
of
talks.
His
job
was
to
arrange
speakers
because
in
those
days
in
radio
you
had
people
who
just
came
on
and
talked-
and
you
know
ultimately,
he
found
himself
in
europe
and
a
war
breaking
out
there.
There
is
a
book
that
needs
to
be
written
about
merle
that
has
not
been
written
before
he
went
to
cbs.
He
worked
for
the.
What
is
now
the
carnegie
educational
thing.
B
It
was
what
is
it
the
international
student,
something
it's
in
my
book
anyway,
when
hitler
took
over
in
germany.
You
know
the
first
thing
he
did
was
burn
books
and
and
go
after
the
labor
people
and
academics
and
academics
couldn't
function
in
in
germany
and
then
later
in
other
parts
of
europe
where
the
nazis
took
over.
B
They
came
to
merle's
organization
and
asked
to
take
care
of
these
people
to
find
them
places
on
american
college
campuses
where
they
could
function,
and
this
is
little
known
that
edward
r
murrow
was
responsible
for
bringing
to
this
country.
B
Thomas
mann,
paul
tillich,.
B
Oh
god,
I've
got
to
read
them
anyway,
some
of
the
greatest
minds
of
europe
who
stayed
here
and
now
you
know,
have
proteges
and
their
proteges
proteges.
You
have
that
ripple
effect
academically
all
going
back
to
that
period
when,
when
merle
was
bringing
in
the
great
minds
of
europe
to
to
work
on
american
campuses,
and
that
wasn't
easy
because
the
depression
was
on
jobs
were
scarce.
B
A
lot
of
these
were
jews.
That
was
a
time
when
yeah.
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
that
anyway,
somebody
should
write
that
book
and
do
that
research.
It's
all
up
at
the
new
york
public
library
and
sitting
there
waiting
for
somebody
to
do
a
book.
You
asked
about
broadcasters
the
closest
thing
I
think
we've
had
tomorrow
since
has
been
bill
moyers,
who
would
do
magnificent
investigative
journalism
in
in
the
style
that
murrell
would
do
it's
sort
of
like
see
it
now?
Murrow
would
go
out
and
investigate
and
arrive
at
a
truth.
B
He
didn't
care
about
balance
because
a
lot
of
balance
is
phony.
You
know
all
arguments
are
not
equal.
He
would
never
bring
on
a
liar
to
balance
the
truth.
Just
because
you
know
you
get
your
left
winger,
you
get
your
right
winger.
There
we've
pleased
both
sides.
Well,
that's
that's
show
business,
that's
not
arriving
at
a
truth.
He
would
investigate
find
out
what
he
believed
to
be
true,
make
sure
his
facts
were
straight
and
then
present
the
story
and
that's
what
moyers
did
and
and
like
mero.
B
He
would
have
that
commentary
at
the
end
and
that's
what
would
always
get
him
in
trouble
with
pbs
with
congress,
which
votes
after
all,
on
public
broadcasting's
appropriation,
so
moyers
would
go
with
the
show
for
a
while
and
then
he'd
get
in
trouble
and
then
he'd
disappear
and
write
some
books
and
then
he
would
start
another
show
and
go
for
a
few
years
ever
notice
that
if
you
look
back
at
moyer's
career
he's
had
like
five
different
shows,
but
I
think
he's
through
now.
B
I
mean
he's
well
into
his
70s
and
I
think
he's
tired,
but
he'll
write
books
and
he
just
blurbed
my
book
by
the
way.
Oh,
it's
great
anyway
look
for
a
blurb
from
bill
perks,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anyone
else
like
him.
I
think
you
know.
Koppel
was
pretty
close,
but
I
don't
see
them
out
there
now,
because
there's
no
format
for
that
sort
of
thing
out
there
that
I
can
see
even
cnn.
B
You
know
they
really
only
do
the
news
when
there's
some
fabulous
breaking
story
in
in
between
they're
doing
personality
shows.
You
know
there
are
shows
built
around.
You
know,
anderson
cooper
and
those
other
people,
but
there,
where
is
the
continuous
news
coverage?
Where
is
you
know?
Yes,.
I
I
read
the
team
of
rivals
and
they
would.
They
talked
about
people
traveling
distances
to
then
listen
to
speeches
that
went
on
for
three
hours,
and
I
remember
when
I
read
that
I
thought
are
you
kidding
me?
I
can't
imagine
I
mean
now,
I'm
you
know
nobody
has
that
kind
of
attention
span
anymore.
I
mean
what
do
you
sort
of
see
as
the
future?
In
that
regard,
I
mean:
do
you
think
people
do
have
longer
attention
spans?
I
B
B
I
don't
think
I
could
get
something
down
to.
However
many
characters
you're
allowed,
but
I
don't
think
I
could
do
that.
So
no
photos.
B
B
I
love
charlie
sheen.
He
said
one
of
his
goddesses.
You
know
someone
said
porn
stars,
charlie
porn
stars.
He
says
they're
the
best
at
what
they
do.
There's
a
logic
there
think
about
that.
If
you're
childish,
charlie
rose,
charlie
rose
did
a
fine
interview
program,
I
hope
there,
you
know,
there's
a
place
for
that.
Still,
if
it's
not
charlie
with
somebody
else.
How
did
you
want
me
to
address
charlie?
B
I
was
on
his
program.
I
thought
it
was
a
great
program.
I
think
there
should
be
more
like
them.
Alas,
you
know
you
don't
have
the
long-form
interview
anymore.
That's
what
I
do
and
that's
you
know,
there's
a
there
should
be
a
place
for
that
on
television
too.
C
You
mentioned
the
freedom
you
had
when
you
joined
xm
satellite
radio
and
I'm
wondering
as
a
young
journalist
broadcaster
when
you
entered
npr
and
npr,
was
a
young
organization
and
then
being
able
to
join
xm
when
that
was
a
young
organization.
How
do
you
think
it
seemed
like
a
fairly
rare
opportunity
for
a
veteran
broadcaster
and
how
you
think
that
shaped
your
career
and
outlook.
B
I
was
26
and
I
was
one
of
the
senior
people
they
could
not
afford
to
hire
veteran
news
people,
so
they
hired
us
kids
and
we
just
grew
up,
and
you
know
on
the
job
and
it
was
fun.
We
were
all
very
young,
we,
it
was
bottom
up.
B
We
started
the
day
with
a
blank
board
and
it
was
then
90
minutes
by
5
o'clock.
We
had
to
have
90
minutes
filmed.
We
had
to
put
something
up
there.
Sometimes
it
was
still
in
progress
and
we
weren't
sure.
If
we
could,
you
know
complete
the
90
minutes,
but
we
did
it
every
day
and
it
was
fun
we
would
make
up
stuff,
not
not
news.
B
B
You
know
we
had
the
sounds
of
a
quilting
bee,
ladies
quilting,
and
chatting-
and
this
was
the
type
of
thing
we
were
doing
and
then
you
know
in
the
middle
would
be
some
fabulous
piece
of
journalism
like
you'd.
Never
heard
before
very
first
show
was
the
mayday
riots
that
were
going
on
here.
I
think
the
show
started
may
3rd,
so
they
were
still
going
on
throughout
the
city
and
and
the
famous
moment
was
jeff
kamen
who's.
B
Now
I
think
a
tv
reporter
in
new
york,
saying
officer,
is
that
a
traditional
crowd,
control
technique,
riding
your
motorcycle
into
the
crowd,
and
when
you
heard
that
on
the
first
program
you
knew
this
was
something
different.
This
was
something
completely
different.
Well,
that
was
then,
and
over
the
years
we
built
this
audience,
and
so
we
became
important
and
it
became
a
different
place.
B
B
Suddenly
we
were
required
to
have
uniformity,
we
were
building
a
brand,
a
brand
called
npr
news
so
that
individual
programs
and
individual
people
mattered
less
than
npr
news
and
understand
the
logic
behind
that
it
worked.
Obviously
it
absolutely
worked.
I
mean
look
at
the
success
of
it,
but
you
know
it
wasn't
fun
anymore
and
I
was
micromanaged
proud
to
still
be
on
the
team.
You
know
if
I
was
still
a
morning
addition.
I'd
probably
still
be
there
doing
it,
but
they
would
order
me
on
the
pronunciation
of
individual
syllables
of
words.
B
You
know
it
got
to
be
that
bad
and
it
wasn't
fun
anymore.
It
was
great,
it
was
great
news,
but
it
wasn't
fun
the
way
it
was
in
the
early.
You
know
years
when
we
had
to
come
up
with
the
stuff,
instead
of
being
ordered
to
do
this.
This
way
now
I
go
over
to
xm
and
it's
something
new
again:
it's
satellite
radio
and
it's
bottom
up
and
it's
fun
again.
B
B
I
love
it
and,
as
alistair
cook
said,
the
pictures
are
better
on
ready
and
they
are
because
you
make
them.
We
help
you
we're
giving
you
little
hints
but
you're,
making
the
picture
so
you're
not
distracted
by
anything
and
you're.
Listening
to
every
word,
you
know
you,
you
look
at
a
television
and
something
distracts
you.
Oh,
what's
that?
B
K
Actually,
this
is
not
a
question
I
lied.
Actually
I
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
the
only
reason
I
know
it's
you
is
because
I
have
to
close
my
eyes
to
really
know
it's
here.
K
I
was
talking
to
my
doctor
or
my
daughter
about
this.
This
meeting,
and
I
said
it's
so
exciting,
bob
edwards
is
coming
to
talk.
You
grew
up
with
bob
edwards
and
my
daughter
said
who's
bob
edwards
and
I
realized
you
know.
I
had
my
daughter
when
I
was
23
years
old
and
I
realized
that
it's
not
my
kids,
who
grew
up
with
you.
It
was
me
who
grew
up
with
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you.
B
B
B
I
get
so
many
people
that
say
you
know
they
were
car
seat
babies
and
they
were
forced
to
listen
and
and
ultimately
they
they
dug
it
too,
and-
and
I
get
that
all
the
time
I
get
oh,
I
grew
up
listening
to
you.
I
think
I'm
talking
to
a
peer
and
they
say.
Oh,
I
grew
up
listening
to
you.
That's
the
goal.
B
J
It
well,
mr
edwards,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
convince
siriusxm
to
air
it,
but
avn
will
be
broadcasting.
This
evening's
speech
and
the
library
will
be
streaming
it
online.
J
I
think
we're
g
rated
for
tonight,
so
thank
you
for
sticking
around
for
a
little
while
to
sign
copies
of
your
books.
Everyone
please
do
stop
by
and
say
hello
and
come
back
for
cake.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
this
evening.
Good
night.