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A
Welcome
everybody,
it
is
the
is
the
top
of
the
hour
and
we're
very
glad
to
have
eric
here.
He
is
my
counterpart
with
the
housing
commission
and
we,
when
you
know
that
we
have
had
many
conversations
about
high-speed
internet
two
and
the
digital
divide,
and
particularly
eric
you-
and
I
talked
about
this,
particularly
since
the
pandemic.
A
It's
really
exposed
how
much
high-speed
internet
access
is
critical
right
so
and
when
I
had
initial
conversations
with
eric,
he
really
was
very
patient
with
me
and
educated
me
on
some
of
the
some
of
the
dimensions
in
terms
of
the
requirements
for
for
housing.
So
we
you
know,
you
know
that
we
we
looked
at
one
gig
up,
one
gig
down
and
eric.
I
think
you'll
you'll
be
able
to
give
us
perspective
about
what
some
of
the
the
challenges
are
from
a
housing
housing
perspective.
A
So
we
turn
the
floor
over
to
you.
Delighted
delighted
that
you
could
be
with
us.
B
Sure
I
really
appreciate
the
invite,
so
I
feel,
like
I've
been
on
a
lot
of
these
lately,
it's
nice
to
start
it's
nice
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
more
of
a
compact
crew,
so
yeah,
my
name
is
eric.
Berkey
I've
been
chair
of
the
housing
commission
since
I
guess
january
of
2020,
so
I
got
a
couple
meetings
in
before
this
all
started.
B
I've
been
on
that
commission
since
2016
or
so,
and
so
I
I've
always
I'd
say
always,
but
for
last,
like
the
last
six
seven
years
have
been
very
interested
in
housing
policy
as
it
relates
to
equity
and
civil
rights,
and
just
kind
of
you
know
economic
issues
generally.
So
anyway,
I
figured
tonight
since
you
all
have
been
talking
about.
B
You
know:
internet
access
and
housing.
You
know
the
housing
commission,
we
do
look
at
housing,
gener
housing
issues
generally,
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
probably
about
80
to
90
percent
of
our
time
is
focused
on
housing,
affordability
or
you
know,
affordable
housing,
which
is
a
term
of
art
which
I
can
briefly
describe.
So
we
do
look
at
like
other.
You
know
market
rate
housing
issues,
but
we
predominantly
look
at
the
affordable
housing
that
that
arlington
supports
and
helps
create.
B
You
know
that's
a
fairly
highly
regulated
program,
and
so
I
can
give
a
brief
overview
of
how
it's
funded
and
kind
of
the
requirements
that
our
our
developer
partner
providers
kind
of
face
and
some
of
the
policy
choices
there
and
again,
I'm
I'm
not
a
policy
person
or
housing
person
by
trade.
So
this
is
very
much
a
lay
person's
explanation,
all
right
of
a
lay
of
the
land
here.
So
let
me
I'm
gonna
share
my
my
power
point
here.
B
I
promise
it
will
be
fairly
brief
and
I'll
make
that
in
in
present
mode.
So
I
think
you
all
can
see
that
perfect.
Okay,
so
I
I
have
to
confess
kathleen
mcsweeney.
He
used
to
be
on
the
commission,
who
some
folks
may
be
familiar
with
she's
been
involved
with
the
county
for
a
long
time.
I
stole
part
of
this
presentation
from
her,
I'm
so
credit
to
her.
B
So
a
couple
things
so
the
county's,
affordable
housing
program,
one
of
the
acronyms
that
you
may
have
heard-
is
ahif,
which
is
the
affordable
housing
investment
fund.
I'm
going
to
give
a
really
brief
overview
of
ahif
and
the
funding.
It's
really,
it
might
not
seem
like
it's
totally
tangentially
connected
to
what
you're
all
interested
in,
but
it's
incredibly
relevant.
B
I
would
say
vast
majority
of
our
discussions
about
policy
are
really
about
financing
and
that's
what
you
learn
really
quickly
is:
is
it's
all
about
how
you
pay
for
it
and
how
you
can
structure
deals
and
make
it
work?
And
so
it's
just
very
critical
to
understand
how
these
developments,
especially
the
the
large
apartment
building
developments,
get
funded,
because
you
know
that
really
dictates
the
policy
choices
we
can
make
as
a
community
and
then
also
the
programs
that
they
can.
B
You
know,
choose
to
provide
or
not
so
anyway,
ahif
the
affordable,
housing
investment
fund.
It's
it's
a
pretty
great
vehicle,
not
most
most
jurisdictions
in
virginia.
Don't
have
something
like
this.
We
do
it's
been
around,
for
I
want
to
say
at
least
15
17
years
or
so
it's
a
low
interest
revolving
loan
fund
so
basically
and
I'll
get
to
this
in
the
next
slide.
But
basically,
what
it
is
is
it's
a
pot
of
money.
B
It
could
be
anywhere
from
as
low
as
you
know,
10
to
12
to
15
million
and
as
high
as
25
30,
depending
upon
several
factors
million
dollars
each
year
that
the
county
can
decide
to.
You
know
loan
out
to
developers
and
it's
typically
affordable
housing
developers
to
help
facilitate
the
development
and
construction.
B
You
know
of
affordable
buildings
here
in
arlington
and
I'm
giving
you
a
very
general
overview.
So
if
you
have
questions
feel
free
to
jump
in
you
know,
the
basic
condition
for
using
those
loan
funds
is
that
in
return
along
with
some
other
conditions,
the
main
one
is
that
the
committed,
affordable
units
that
are
created
as
a
result
will
be
affordable
under
the
county
scheme
for
between
30
and
many
times,
60
years,
and
so
the
county
really
locks
in
a
certain
rate
of
affordability
for
those
units.
B
So
that's
really
important,
especially
as
the
county's
stock
of
market
rate,
affordable,
housing
and,
again
that's
a
term
of
art
I
can
again
briefly
discuss,
but
but
that
has
been
just
just
rapidly
decreasing
over
like
the
last
10
years
or
so,
and
so
the
county
is
looking
at
many
strategies
to
try
to
stem
that
tide.
But
one
is
to
you
know:
fund
programs
like
ahif
to
at
least
get
more
committed,
affordable
units
developed
in
the
county,
so
ahaf
is
funded
by
several
sources,
so
the
county.
B
You
know
they
get
some
tax
revenue
that
goes
into
there,
but
the
the
main
sources
of
income
aside
from
annual
appropriations,
are
going
to
be
a
couple.
Big
bucks.
One
is
contributions
that
developers,
so
I'm
getting
some
feedback
is.
That
me
is
that
somebody
somebody
needs
to
meet
themselves.
B
Is
that
better,
okay,
cool
all
right,
no
feedback
awesome!
So
there's
a
couple
big
buckets.
So
whenever
a
developer
comes
into
arlington,
you've
probably
seen
this.
If
you
ever
read
aerial
now
or
or
some
gazette
or
or
what
have
you
they'll
come
in,
they
want
to
do
a
big
building,
and
so
the
county
has
a
legal
scheme
where
I'm
typically
in
those
projects,
typically
they're
not
buy
right.
Typically,
the
county.
The
developer
has
to
do
a
site
plan.
B
They've
got
to
do
like
a
lot
of
planning
with
the
county,
and
so
as
a
part
of
that
process.
Typically,
the
developer
will
have
a
choice
between
either
creating
a
certain
amount
of
committed,
affordable
units
on
site
or
putting
them
elsewhere
in
the
county
or
contributing
a
certain
amount.
That's
dictated
by
this
scheme
to
the
county's,
affordable,
housing
investment
fund.
I'd
say:
almost
always:
the
developers
are
making
the
cash
contribution
to
that
fund.
So
you
can
see
projects
where
the
county
will
get
two
three,
even
maybe
four
million
dollars
into
that
investment
fund.
B
One
of
the
challenges
with
the
way
these
projects
are
funded
is
that
you
know,
aside
from
the
county's
annual
kind
of
allocation
to
the
fund,
we
never
know
quite
how
much
we're
gonna
have
as
far
as
developer,
repayments
or
contributions
so
that
you
know
that's
always
been
one
of
the
challenges
of
this
fund
as
far
as
supporting
projects
and
knowing
how
much
money
we're
gonna
have
in
a
given
year,
there's
a
limited
amount
of
federal
funding
that
goes
into
there,
maybe
like
less
than
two
million
dollars
a
year,
and
some
of
that
funding
can
be
used
not
just
for
construction,
but
also
for
wraparound
services
and
other
things,
but
for
our
purposes
really.
B
It's
mostly
the
county,
who's
funding,
this
ahif
and
so
like.
I
said
it
really
goes
towards
new
construction
or,
preserving
you
know,
current
affordable
housing
or
sometimes
what
developers
will
do
is
they'll
buy
a
building,
that's
not
currently
affordable
under
the
scheme,
and
then
those
units
will
then
become
committed,
affordable
units
and
they
might
use
the
money
to
buy
it.
Do
some
rehab
that
that
type
of
thing,
so
I'm
going
to
skip
ahead
a
little
bit
here.
B
So
the
reason,
I'm
kind
of
giving
this
real
brief
presentation,
we're
going
to
get
into
internet
service
providers
and
all
that
is
because,
when
developers
put
these
deals
together,
there's
typically
about
you
know
three
different
sources
or
so,
and
that's
very
much
simplifying
it.
But
I'd
say
three
big
sources
of
money
that
they're
going
to
put
into
the
deal.
So
the
first
is
there
it's
going
to
be
a
primary
lender
and
that
could
be
like
bank
of
america.
B
That
could
be,
you
know,
just
a
community
bank,
sometimes
churches
or
other.
You
know
like-minded
institutions
that
want
to
get
into
housing.
They
might
have
money
and
they're.
You
know
so
they'll.
You
know
loan
out
money,
so
there's
usually
a
primary
lender.
B
Then
they'll
have
a
secondary
loan
and
that
might
be
they
might
get
financing
a
lot.
I
would
say,
most
times,
actually
they're
getting
financing
through
the
it's.
B
The
federal,
low-income
housing
tax
credit
program,
that's
administered
by
the
states,
so
in
virginia,
that's
administered
by
an
entity
called
virginia
housing
which
used
to
be
called
vhda,
and
so,
where
I'm
getting
to
is
you
know
they
got
a
primary
lender,
but
then
they're
usually
going
to
have
to
get
tax
credit,
equity
financing,
and
what
that
really
is,
if
you
don't
know,
is
basically
in
exchange
for
favorable
tax
treatment.
B
You
know
certain
institutions,
if
it's
equity
funds
or
whomever
big
companies,
they
can
basically
contribute
like
into
this
pool
of
money
and
basically
help
support
these
affordable
housing
projects
in
exchange,
they
get
very
favorable
tax
treatment,
okay,
so
it's
kind
of
it's
supposed
to
be
kind
of
a
win-win
process:
it's
not
unlimited
and
it
is
competitive
at
the
state
level
and
so
where
I'm
getting
to
is
the
way
these
projects
are
financed.
B
I
almost
think
of
a
series
of
boxes
and
the
boxes,
as
you
start
thinking
about
the
different
sources
of
funding
it.
Just
gets
a
little
smaller
each
time,
and
so
you
know
the
first
big
box
would
be.
You
know,
obviously
just
the
suitability
of
the
project
and
getting
financing,
but
then
the
smaller
one
kind
of
inside
of
that
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
adhering
to
all
the
things
you
need
to
under
the
different
scoring
criteria
by
virginia
housing,
because
these
are
competitive.
B
Tax
credits
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
projects
have
to
do
in
order
to
be
competitive
under
this
program
and
doing
more,
usually
costs
more.
And,
of
course,
these
projects
only
work
if
they're,
financially
viable,
and
so
that's
a
box
that
they
have
to
fit
into
so
that's
kind
of
the
second
pool
of
money
is
the
tax
credit
financing
and
then
the
third
is
typically
ahif.
So
ahif
is
not
typically
the
largest
source
of
funding
for
these
projects
locally,
but
it
is
a
significant
one.
B
It
can
be
significant
and
with
ahif
here,
arlington
also
has
its
own
scoring
system
in
order
to
get
loans,
because
we
also
don't
have
an
unlimited
pool
of
money,
and
so
that's
also
a
competitive
process
by
which
developers
such
as
hc
or
apple
or
wesley
housing,
who
are
kind
of
the
big
three
in
arlington,
can
can
propose
projects
to
the
county
go
through
what
we
call
the
notice
of
funding
availability
process,
which
is
competitive,
which
also
has
its
own
scoring
criteria
to
try
to
get
that
county
funding.
B
So
there
are
the
virginia
housing
rules
as
well
as
the
the
ones
to
the
counties
nofa.
They
do
speak
to
internet,
free,
internet
and
internet
being
provided,
and
I
can
speak
to
that
generally
and
then
I'll
conclude
my
presentation.
We
can
have
a
discussion
so
for
virginia
housing.
They
do
award
points
for
both
projects.
Building
up
infrastructure
so
that
they're
like
broadband
ready,
but
then
they
also
award
points
for
free
wi-fi.
B
I
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
I
think
typically
most
projects
that
we've
seen
locally,
I
would
say
most,
but
a
lot
of
them
do
try
to
hit
this
requirement.
As
you
can
see
from
like
a
steed
speed
standpoint,
it's
not
a
very
high
requirement.
It's
only
10
mega
bytes
per
second
download
and
three
upload.
I
think
this
has
been
in
there
for
several
years
now
and,
like
I
said,
as
I
understand
it,
many
of
the
providers
do
try
to
do
this.
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
happening
in
every
project.
B
What
is
new,
though,
that
can
go
to
the
next
slide
here
awesome.
What
I
can
do.
What
I
can
say
is
new
is
that
in
the
the
local
scoring
criteria
for
arlington's
ahif,
our
affordable
housing
investment
fund,
I
think
either
this
year
last
year
it
instituted
scrolling
criteria
with
regards
to
broadband.
B
Now
broadband
in
our
process
here
is
defined
at
30
megabytes
per
second,
which
is
obviously
much
higher
than
the
virginia
housing
one.
I
don't
know
if
any
projects,
as
of
yet
have
hit
this
criteria
I've
asked
around.
I
did
speak
to
one
of
my
colleagues
who
works
at
one
of
the
affordable
housing
developers
and
she
said
that
they've
had
one
project
so
far,
where
they've
done
free
broadband
and
she's
not
sure
if
they've
hit
this
criteria.
B
So
I
think
I'll
just
conclude
here
a
couple
thoughts
on
all
this
free
wi-fi
for
our
affordable
housing
residents,
I
think,
is
a
great
idea,
especially
you
know,
in
light
of
the
pandemic
and
increased
needs,
and
especially
the
digital
divide,
it
looks
like
it's
something
that
the
state
certainly
has
been
looking
at
for
a
while,
and
the
county
is
starting
to
look
at
here
locally
as
well.
B
I
guess
my
the
one
kind
of
overall
point
that
I
shared
with
mary
and
I'll
share
with
you
is
you
know,
given
how
small
you
know
how
small
these
boxes
can
become
and
how
challenging
these
deals
can
be
to
put
together
the
one
thing
that
I
would
caution
about,
maybe
creating
new
requirements
is
that
you
know
every
time
you
create
more
requirements
in
these
policies.
B
You
do
increase
the
likelihood
of
plusing
up
the
cost
and,
if
anything,
from
a
housing,
affordability
standpoint
in
these
programs,
we'd
like
to
do
more
to
try
to
decrease
the
cost
or
at
least
lessen
that
pressure,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
being
discussed
as
far
as
like
the
different
fees
or
other
things
that
can
kind
of
be
relaxed
to
make
these
projects
more
viable
parking
parking,
something
that
we
talk
about
a
lot
too.
So
I
would
be
very
wary
of
any
kind
of
requirements
about
speed.
Maybe
that's
higher.
B
It
seems,
like
the
developers,
might
kind
of
be
starting
to
get
there
anyway,
and
I
also
wonder
if
it's
more
dependent
upon
maybe
the
rates
they
can
get
with
the
isps.
I
know
that,
typically,
these
affordable
housing
developers
are
negotiating
agreements
with
one
isp
and
then
they're,
usually
you
know
usually
included
in
there
is
a
you
know,
a
clock.
You
know,
they'll
agree
to
only
you
know,
use
that
provider
basically,
and
so
I
know
that
there's
been
some
challenges
with
the
county,
because
the
county
would
like
residents
to
have.
B
You
know
you
make
an
exclusive,
you
know
exclusive
clause
and
the
contract,
so
that's
my
my
word
of
caution
would
be
if
there's
going
to
be
more
requirements
in
these
deals
that
there
just
should
be
like
a
very
compelling
reason
for
doing
so,
given
the
difficulty
of
putting
them
together-
and
I
guess
that's
it
and
I'm
happy
to
feel
questions
and
and
have
a
conversation-
and
I
will
exit
out
of
here.
A
John
go
ahead:
oh
and
and
kevin
then,
okay,
I
see.
C
Yeah
hi,
no
thanks!
So
much
eric,
you
know
just
you
talked
about
counting
having
a
scheme
to
encourage
affordability
and
you
know
providing
financing
and
so
forth
and
giving
that's
the
k.
Given
that's
the
case,
why
is
the
affordable
housing
stock
going
down
so
much
in
the
county.
B
This
is
a
really
desirable
place
to
live
and
it's
really
expensive.
So
you
know
the
county
so
like.
If,
if
we
just
kind
of
like
paused,
you
know
all
development
put
paused
everything
right
now
for
the
county,
just
to
catch
up
to
to
to
reclaim
kind
of
a
lot
of
the
market
rate,
affordable
units
that
have
been
lost.
We,
the
county,
would
probably
have
to
invest
at
least
double,
if
not
maybe
two
and
a
half
times
what
it
does
right
now
it
housing
is
really
expensive
to
to
build.
B
You
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that
construction.
Labor.
You
know
what
have
you
it's
it's
really
expensive.
I
I
my
views.
The
county's
been
fairly
aggressive
in
trying
to
take
steps
to
to
loosen
things
up
and
and
to
try
to
get.
You
know,
developers
to
to
build
more,
but
that's,
ultimately
still
the
private
market
has
to
act
right.
The
county
can
encourage,
but
it
can't
force.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
satisfactory
answer,
but
you
know
it's
it's.
B
We
live
in
a
very
high
demand
area
and
my
view
is:
we
just
haven't
built
enough
housing,
probably
over
the
last
20
years,
to
satisfy
demand
across
the
board,
and
so
that's
also
like
a
challenge
that
we're
facing.
A
D
Yeah
thanks,
so
I
know
in
the
affordability
calculations,
there's
not
just
the
price
of
the
housing
itself,
but
there's
some
also
some
other
calculations
that
that
costs
that
may
or
may
not
be
included
in
the
official
calculations.
I've
seen
people
trying
to
throw
in
kind
of
you
know
not
just
the
cost
of
housing,
but
also
the
cost
of
housing
and
transportation
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
really
important.
D
I
think
you
know
I
am
a
strong
proponent
of
investing
in
you
know
in
committed
affordable
units
and
having
those
units
available,
but
we
will
never
subsidize
our
way
to
a
affordable
cost
of
living
for
people
making
80
to
120
of
area
median
income,
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
a
robust
housing
stock
for
that
for
that
area
for
that
level
of
of
housing,
income
and
so
is
internet
access
con.
D
B
Yeah,
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
precisely
the
answer
to
that.
I
mean
I
know
you
know.
Typically,
we
speak
about
affordable
housing
here
in
arlington.
You
know
the
the
general
kind
of
rubric
is.
We
don't
want
folks
to
spend
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
on
housing
and
then
you
know
we're
if
you've
heard
you've
heard
ami,
maybe
the
thrown
around
area
median
income.
And
of
course
that's
you
know,
that's
a
localized
metric
and
that
depends
upon
you
know
household
size
as
well.
So
it's
you
can't
there's
really.
B
No,
what
there's
really
no
number
you
can
you
can
throw
around.
So
I
don't
that.
Doesn't
really
answer
your
question.
I
think
it's
a
fair
point.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
something
you
know
given
that
the
county
did
this
kind
of
pilot
initiative
with
appa
at
arlington
mill.
I
I
think
it's
certainly
something
that's
on
their
radar,
I'm
I'm
kind
of
curious
to
see
what
what
happens
with
their
is
it
called
connect,
arlington
or
whatever
initiative
they
have.
B
It
seems
like
that's
something
that
should
be
pursued
more
and
maybe
integrated
into.
Maybe
these
developments,
or
at
least
to
encourage
these
developers
if
the,
for
example,
if
the
county
were
to
actually
create
like
a
broadband
authority
or
whatever
I
I
don't
know
so,
that's.
D
What
that's,
what
I'm
really
driving
at
eric
is
that
it
it
is
very
difficult
to
drive
down
the
cost
of
building
new
housing
in
this
area,
because
the
land
is
so
expensive
and
and
labor
costs
are
high.
So
if
we
can't
drive
down
the
cost
of
housing,
can
we
drive
down
the
cost
of
some
of
our
other
costs
of
living
to
make
the
overall
affordability
more
manageable?
For
for
for
a
more
diverse
range
of
household
incomes,
one
of
those
being
transportation
right?
D
If
you
don't
have
to
own
a
car,
you
can
afford
more
on
your
mortgage
payment
because
you
can
walk
places
and
you
don't
have
a
car
payment
and
if
you
don't
have
to
pay,
you
know
75
bucks
a
month
for
your
broadband
internet,
you
can
pay
10
bucks
a
month
for
an
internet.
That's
you
know.
65
bucks
a
month
on
a
30-year
mortgage
is
a
lot
of
buying
power.
So
I
I
would.
D
I
would
encourage
you
to
in
the
housing
commission
to
think
about
some
more
more
aspects
of
affordability
generally
and
try
and
make
some
recommendations
for
incorporating
those
into
our
housing
policy.
B
Yeah
it's
it.
I
appreciate
that
it's
a
great
thought.
I
mean
I
again,
not
a
not
a
housing
professional,
but
I
I
know
you
know
the
parking
is
one
area
where
the
county
has
looked
at
last
few
years
of
how
it
can
kind
of-
and
I
and
I'm
interested
in
that
too,
you
know:
are
there
things
that
we're
requiring
developers
to
do
that?
They
don't
necessarily
have
to
do
in
these
bigger
buildings
that
could
help
ease
the
pressure
on
costs
a
little
bit.
B
Maybe
it
doesn't
make
it
that
much
more
affordable,
but
it
at
least
you
know,
maybe
enables
them
to
build
more
units.
More
units
means
more
in
the
market
means
a
little
less
pressure
right
on
the
market,
which
is
what
we
want
to
see.
The
other
thing
is,
and
just
real,
quick,
the
plug
for
what
the
county
is
working
on
the
80
to
21
120
range.
You
know
the
missing
middle
study,
which
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware
of,
is
going
on
by
housing
staff.
B
You
know
it's,
it's
gotten
some
controversy,
because
you
know
zoning
is
complicated
and
it's
you
know.
Zoning
affects
the
market
and
you
never
know
exactly
what
the
market's
going
to
do.
Obviously,
the
market
will
dictate
costs,
but
it's
pretty
clear
that
if
we
can
have
more
folks
live
on
one
lot,
like
a
5
000
square
foot
lot
overall
over
time.
That
can
certainly
at
least
if
it's
not
going
to
drive
prices
down
at
least
slow
the
growth,
which
is
something
we
still
need
to.
B
If
we
can
at
least
slow
the
the
growth
of
the
cost
that
can
that
can
help
right.
It's
not
going
to
solve
everything,
and
so
the
missing
middle
study
is
going
on,
certainly
encourage
anybody
who's
interested
to
kind
of
engage
with
that.
I
think
it's
a
great
effort
by
staff.
They
haven't
made
any
recommendations
yet
they're
doing
a
very
holistic
view
of
kind
of
everything.
B
B
E
B
E
B
Oh
jeez,
okay,
so
that
plan
was
was
was
all
was
adopted
in
2015.
That
was
before
I
was
on
the
commission.
That
was
like
a
multi-year
effort.
I
want
to
say
at
least
two
to
three
years
that
had
that
had
a
working
group
from
representatives
around
the
community.
The
last
time
the
county
had
holistically
looked
at
that
was
like
maybe
10
years
prior,
and
so
that
was
it
was
a
very
heavy
lift
by
st
I'm,
not
saying
you
shouldn't
do
it.
It
was
a
very
heavy
lift
by
staff.
B
They
had
a
lot
of
community
meetings
and
then
even
like
once
there
was
a
draft.
I
think
it
was
like
six
to
eight
months
until
they
finally
adopted
it,
because
then
they
did
a
road
show
took
it
to
everybody,
did
a
lot
of
public
presentations.
You
know
that
type
of
thing.
As
far
as
how
it's
been
working,
I
you
know
we
do
tie
a
lot
of
of
what
we
we
hear
from
staff
as
far
as
recommendations
to
the
master
plan.
B
You
know
in
the
there's
a
master
plan
that
then
they
have
an
implementation
framework
which
really
is
kind
of
like
it
spells
out
kind
of
what
the
master
plan's
goals
are.
The
implementation
framework
says:
okay,
here's
how
we're
going
to
implement
this
goal.
Here's
why
we're
going
to
do
this,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
viewing
right
now
is
like
what's
working
kind
of?
What's
not
so
that
definitely
is
tied
and
as
far
as
division
of
labor
I
mean
staff
does
the
work
I
mean
they
I
mean
they.
B
They
they
make
the
deals
they
you
know
they're
doing
all
this.
I
I
see
our
role
as
a
commission
really
to
a
couple
things.
So
I
think
the
best
thing
we
can
do
is
provide
a
public
forum
for
issues
that
have
to
be
discussed
about.
You
know
housing
development,
but
but
recently
also
housing
conditions
has
been
a
big
focus
of
ours.
B
If
you've
seen
the
news,
there's
been
a
lot
of
challenges,
a
nice
way
to
say
it,
there's
been
a
lot
of
failures
at
the
serrano,
which
is
an
hc
property
on
columbia,
pike,
and
so
our
last
two
meetings
have
been
like
four
hours,
long
listening
to
residents
and
trying
to
help
them
and
and
then
directing
back
to
staff,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
most
valuable
thing
that
we
can
do
as
an
advisory
group
is
to
bring
a
public
forum.
The
county
board
does
not
have
the
bandwidth
necessarily
to
do
that
all
the
time.
B
B
I
think
we
can
be
impactful
on
at
least
keeping
things
on
their
radar
oftentimes.
What
we're
coming
up
with
isn't
necessarily
an
original
thought
or
original
concept,
but
the
candy
board
has
a
lot
going
on
and
my
experience
has
been
you
just
got
to
keep
pushing
them
and
pushing
them
and
pushing
them,
because
it's
very
easy
for
things
to
kind
of
fall
off
their
radar,
there's
just
there's
so
much
going
on
and
they're
part-time
and
so
as
an
advisory
group.
B
A
Thanks
thanks
so
much
eric
eric
you've
generated
another
question
david
david
husband.
You
had
a
you,
got
a
question:
yeah.
F
More
more
of
a
comment,
as
as
people
in
the
commission
may
know,
I
actually
have
view
housing
as
something
I've
been
very
concerned
about
over
the
years
and
in
part,
that's
because
I
was
living
in
arlington
up
until
recently
and
needed
to
move
out
to
fairfax
to
find
housing
that
was
affordable
for
me,
but
I'm
by
no
means
a
regular,
affordable
housing
person.
I'm
actually
you
know
doing
pretty
well
for
myself,
and
so
this
is
more
of
an
observation
and
kind
of
ties
to
your
last
comment.
F
Stop
is
depreciating
in
the
meantime,
I
don't
have
the
answers,
but
I'm
very
very
concerned
that
we're
not
actually
we're
not
actually
making
real
changes
here,
other
than
tinkering
in
the
margins,
and
I
know
eric
that
you
are
obviously
very
committed
and
you're
doing
good
work,
and
so
don't
I
don't
want
you
to
take
this
as
on
a
personal
level,
but
I
am
struck
by
the
fact
that
the
county
is
not
giving
this
the
attention
it
deserves
and
have
has
not
been.
I-
and
I
have
said
this
to
many
county
board
members.
F
I
mean
I
talked
to
eric
gutshaw
when
he
was
still
around
about
this
quite
a
bit,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
reaction
or
a
strategy
to
how
does
this
sort
of
dynamic
I
mean
we
want
to
talk
about
housing
pressures.
I
can
tell
you
what
the
housing
pressure
is.
We
we
brought
in
amazon,
hq2
and
the
housing
prices
doubled
overnight,
that
that
is
the
housing
pressure
we
brought
on
ourselves,
and
we
chose
to
do
that.
We
have
all
this.
F
We
have
all
this
vacant
commercial
space
that
could
be
converted
into
housing.
If
we
were
interested
in
it,
but
whenever
I
brought
that
up
to,
I
brought
that
up
to
libby,
I
brought
that
up
to
some
other
people
that
did
not
even
like
register
like
the
idea
of
converting
the
commercial
real
estate
that
was
vacant
and
not
generating
any
tax
revenue
into
housing.
Oh
man,
that
was
that
was
a
terrible
idea.
So
there's.
G
F
In
there
for
you
to
unpack,
but
I
just
wanted
to
see
what
what
your
reactions
were
to
my
my
mini
rant.
There.
B
We
could
have
a
whole
conversation
about
the
relationship
between
the
county
board
and
staff
yeah.
I
think
that
you
know,
I
think,
that's
fair.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
is
fair.
I
think
the
county
is
fairly
reactive
on
things.
I
do
think
that
there
are
some
political
realities.
I
think
that,
with
the
missing
middle
there
there
will
be
changes.
My
fear
is
like
there's
there's
a
roadshow
of
folks
who
are
going
around
the
single
family
neighborhoods,
I'm
a
civic
association
president
and
they're
going
around
and
they're.
B
It's
I'm
sorry
and
I'm
I
apologize
if
folks
don't
agree
with
me,
but
I
think
it's
fear-mongering
they're
going
around
and
telling
folks
that
they
are
going
to
come
into
your
neighborhood
and
its
environmental
impacts
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
there
that
I
don't
necessarily
think
are
accurate
representations
of
of
what's
happening
and
the
data,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
that
will
dissuade
the
county
board
from
passing
something
I
am
concerned
that
it
will
maybe
convince
them
to
not
go
all
the
way
and
what
they
should
do,
that
it
may
they
may
trim
their
sales.
B
A
little
bit-
and
you
know
not
all
county
board
members-
are
created
equal
either.
So
yeah,
I
think,
that's
fair.
I
think
the
county
board
should
have
been
ahead
of
this.
I
think
to
be
a
little
bit
fair
to
staff.
There's
not
enough
of
them
they're,
not
they
don't
have
enough
money.
There's
there's
a
lot
going
on.
I
mean
since
I've
been
on
the
commission.
B
One
of
the
criticisms
of
us
has
been
you
guys
are
so
reactive
and
I'm
like
come
to
our,
like
literally
all
the
stuff
that
we're
just
reacting
to
takes
like
three
or
four
hours
a
month.
I
mean
just
in
one.
You
know
if
we're
having
one
meeting,
there's
a
lot
going
on,
and
so
that
says
that
staff
has
a
lot
going
on
so
but
you're
it's
a
fair
point.
I
mean
it's
2021,
we've
known
this
for
a
while
and
you're
right.
That
was
eric.
B
Gutshaw's
whole
thing
was
the
missing
middle
and
and
pushing
the
missing
metal.
I
mean
alliance
for
housing.
Solutions
had
a
form
four
years
ago
in
the
missing
middle.
So
it's
not
a
new
concept
by
any
means.
So
totally
fair
point.
You
know.
F
I
mean
not
to
one
of
the
problems
that
I
saw
was
that
the
county
is
wedded
to
a
budgeting
model
of
50
50.
50,
residential
taxes,
50
commercial
taxes.
Most
jurisdictions
have
something
like
70,
80,
residential
and
20
30
commercial.
If
you
continue
a
50
50
model
and
you
have
to
have
that
much
commercial,
I
lived
in
south,
I
lived
in
pentagon
city
now,
the
new
national
landing
or
whatever
it
is
the
the
problem
is.
F
If
you
had
put
houses
there
instead
of
of
real
estate,
you
could
have
put
them
in
a
special
tax
zone.
You
could
have
given
them
much
higher
rates.
People
would
have
paid
it.
You
could
then
use
the
money
from
that
tax
to
build
the
infrastructure
that
could
even
build
affordable
housing.
You
could
have
dedicated
revenue
coming
from
people
buying
millionaire
town
homes
to
pay
for
affordable
housing
to
set
up
all
that
real
estate.
I
went
to
a
planning
meeting
because
I
too
was
part
of
the
civic
association
there
where
they
identified.
F
They
asked
what
are
you
missing
in
pentagon
city
and
we
ended
up
concluding.
All
we
were
missing.
Was
a
hardware
store,
a
whiskey
shop,
a
local
butcher
and
a
couple
other
things?
Everything
else
was
there
they
were
like.
Do
you
need
this?
I
was
like
no
that's
around
the
corner.
We
have
that
we
have
this.
We
have
this
so
there's
the
counties
wedded
to
this
model.
Because
of
this
all
this
commercial
real
estate
was
in
place
and
pre-brac.
That
was
really
cool.
They
got
all
this
money
because
all
these
people
are
renting
well.
F
The
federal
government
is
never
coming
back
to
arlington
in
the
way
that
it
used
to
and
specifically
post
telework.
We've
got
that
whole
space
again
in
pentagon
city
that
was
built
for
dhs
and
atf
completely
secure
they're
leaving
they're
going
somewhere
else.
The
county
needs
to
reinvent
the
model
of
funding
because,
as
you
said,
a
lot
of
this
is
about
money
and
how
we
allocate
funding
and
start
realizing.
F
If
they
want
to
be
a
desirable
place
to
live,
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
a
desirable
place
for
businesses
to
be
because
there's
actually
the
balance
between
jobs
and
what
you're
going
to
get
is
you're,
going
to
get
a
lot
of
workers
who
are
going
to
live
outside
of
arlington
and
commute
in
at
some
point
instead
of
live
in
arlington
and
commute
elsewhere.
And
so
this
is
all
like.
Housing
is
so
big,
there's
so
much
food
for
thought.
For
you
on
this,
and
I'm
not
pretending
like.
I
have
the
answers,
but
I
will.
H
F
B
I
mean,
and
that
might
be
the
case-
you're
right,
there's
a
lot
of
food
for
thought.
Here
I
mean
one
of
the
things
I
just
one
of
the
kind
of
my
closing
thoughts
here
would
be
you
know,
with
the
missing
middle
stuff.
Some
folks
are
parading
around
statistics
saying
well,
you
know.
B
Basically
more
people
who
move
into
arlington,
like
the
residents
will
actually
be
like
a
negative
budget,
have
a
negative
budget
effect
on
the
county,
like
they'll,
basically
soak
up
more
services
and
they'll
pay
in
taxes,
but
you
know
what
they're,
but
that
also
says.
B
The
workers
will
come
and
you
know,
contribute
and
then
even
if
they
don't
live
here,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessarily
a
bad
thing
that
people
work
in
arlington
and
don't
live
here.
But
I
I
do
think
that
I
I
do
think
the
county
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
creative
and
I
do
think
that
we,
we
do
have
some
leaders
who
are
trying
to
push
the
envelope
and
I
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
B
I
think
I
think
I
think
there
are
certainly
a
lot
of
relics
that
are
still
around
as
far
as
how
we
view
decision
making
and
especially
kind
of
single
family
neighborhoods
not
like.
I
live
in
a
single
family
neighborhood,
it's
awesome,
I
love
it,
but
that
that's
that
also
drives
a
lot
of
the
conversation
too
is
like
those
neighborhoods
being
prioritized.
B
You
know
over
the
rest
of
the
county
and
that's
just
not
the
arlington
that
exists
in
2021.
You
know:
we've
over
half
our
folks
live
in
our
renters
and
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
who
can't
even
break
into
those
neighborhoods
anymore
and
if
they
want
to
live
here,
you
know
it's
not.
Gonna
necessarily
be
in
a
single
family
neighborhood
and
that's
okay,
but
that
means
that
we
have
to
really
rethink
engagement.
We
think
kind
of
representation
and
these
decision-making
processes,
so
not
really
a
great
response.
But
I
I
I'm
well.
F
To
yeah
I'll
just
tell
you
on
the
single
family
neighborhood
thing,
because
I
there
there's
not
even
the
intermediate
jump,
you
can't
just
go
from
an
apartment
to
a
condo
to
a
town
home,
there's,
not
even
enough
town
homes
like
there's,
not
even
enough.
There's
the
missing
middle
you're,
not
even
at
the
missing
middle
from
an
income
perspective
and
a
missing
middle
from
housing
stock.
It's
everything
is
a
million
dollars
and
up
or
it's
not
available
anyway.
Mary,
I
know,
wants
us
to
keep.
A
C
A
Our
commission
and
we
hope
that
we
can
continue
the
dialogue,
because
this,
I
think,
as
john
was
saying
it's
something
that
we
would
like
to
hear
as
a
follow-up,
what
how
we're
calculating
the
affordable
and
whether
whether
the
the
digital
aspect
is
being
included
or
being
considered
to
be
included.
That
would
be
helpful.
So
if
you
could
direct
us
on
how
we
how
we
find
out
that
answer
to
that
question,.
B
Right,
I
think
the
next
steps
there
are
just
I
mean
I
might
I
mean
I'll-
bring
it
up
at
our
next
meeting
and
just
honestly
just
talking
to
some
providers.
Yes,
that's
the
first
place.
What
are
you
guys
doing?
What
have
you
heard?
B
They
know
as
much
about
kind
of
the
the
state
scoring
system
and
the
politics
of
that
as
the
county
does,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
my
first
step
just
to
see
kind
of
you
know
where
they're
at,
but
even
if
you
don't
get
a
gig,
I
mean,
even
if
you
really
got
most
the
providers
to
provide
you
know
30,
you
know
whatever
it
is.
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
be
great,
and
then
you
build
upon
that.
So.
A
It's
a
start
well
and
thank
you
so
much
eric,
because
we
really
appreciate
you
carving
out
time
and
obviously
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
and,
and
you
were
helpful
in
multiple
multiple
ways.
So
thank
thanks.
Again,
you
take
care
and
obviously
you're
more
than
willing
welcome
to
stay,
but
you
probably
have
another
another.
B
A
All
right
next
on
the
agenda,
john,
you
thank
you
very
much
for
integrating
all
the
all
the
feedback
mike
sinfoid
and
other
people's
as
well.
So
I
hope
that
all
of
you
have
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
draft
for
the
digital
planning
letter
any
I
open
it
up
for
I'll,
give
it
hand
it
over
to
you
john,
and
then
see
if
people
have
have
comments
or
edits.
D
Yep
so
I'll
bring
it
up
to
share
and
zoom.
In
here
a
little
bit,
I
tried
to
incorporate
all
of
the
all
of
the
edits
that
I
received.
Phil
provided
a
lot
of
them.
He
was
unable
to
make
it
tonight
and
I
think
I
was
trying
to
just
capture
the
sense
of
our
conversation
not
put
my
own
kind
of
view
on
it.
D
So
if
there
are
additional
thoughts
considerations,
I
think
we
should
proceed
through
robert's
rules
and
if
anybody
has
the
edits
or
suggested
amendments
for
you
can
propose
it
and
I'll
I'll
do
the
editing
right
here
on
the
screen.
We
can
vote
it
up,
vote
it
down
and
finalize
the
letter.
A
Great
thanks
any
I'll
open
it
up
to
the
the
commission
members,
any
any
suggestions
for.
A
A
As
you
know,
I
did
have
one
john,
I
yes,
yes,
yes,
yeah
in
the
chair,
suggesting
one
the
I
wanted
to
make
the
need
to
address
the
lack
of
far-reaching,
current,
consistent,
I.t
policies.
I
just
it's,
it's
not
a
change
of
content,
but
just
a
change
of
flow,
and
I
I
think
I'd
I
think
I'd
sent
sent
a
a
suggestion.
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
bring
that
up
and
let's
see.
A
Yeah
I
was
saying
that
we
could
split
up
the
sentences
and
start
with.
We
believe
this
is
an
urgent
priority,
because
currently
there
is
a
lack
of
far-reaching,
consistent,
I.t
policies
across
the
county
and
troubling
strategic
gaps,
highlighted
because
19
response
and
pursuing
the
federated
it
model
results
in
a
high-cost
business
as
usual
approach.
A
Furthermore,
virginia
code,
blah
blah
blah
mandates,
the
county
have
an
overarching
digital
plan
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
switch
that,
as
I
read
it
again
was
I
wanted
to
emphasize
the
urgent
priority
and
wanted
to
make
the
points
a
little
easier
to
read,
so
nothing,
nothing,
substantial
and
obviously
I
can
live
with
with
what
we've
got.
A
If,
if
that
doesn't,
if
the
commission
members
don't
support
it,
but
I
just
thought:
I'd
suggest
a
flow.
A
Yeah
any
other
comments,
while
john
is
pulling
that
up
any
other.
I
know
phil
sent
me
a
note
to
frank
and
to
me
saying
he
supported
the
letter.
Martha
did
as
well.
I
think
she's
on
she's
going
in
and
out
any
other
comments.
A
Okay,
so
in
that,
in
that
suggestion
that
I
have,
is
there
a
frank-
you
probably
need
to
chair
that,
since
I
made
the
suggestion
you
need
to
take
over
and
and
coordinate,
if
you
would
so
I'm
making
the
motion
to
to
change
that
part.
If
there's
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
A
A
D
And
mary,
did
you
want
me
to
insert
that
after
the
the
first
sentence
reaffirm
or
just
change
the
flow
of
the
last
sentences.
A
I
I
E
C
I
A
And
while
we're
while
we're
in
pause
sharon,
valencia
is
on
the
on
has
joined
us,
so
sharon
welcome
sharon.
Sharon
is
my
counterpart
on
the
emergency
preparedness
advisory
commission.
So
we
actually
have
three
three
commissions
tonight
of
walk
through
sharon.
We
really
appreciate
because
our
next
agenda
item-
it's
really.
I
really
appreciate
you
joining
us,
so
thanks
so
much
for
for
carving
out
the
time.
Yes
and
thanks
for
having
me
that's
wonderful
and.
E
A
D
D
C
C
I
E
E
C
I
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
frank
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all
right,
okay
and
then
mike
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
implementation
or
execution.
You
had
a
comment.
E
Yes,
I
did
I
mean
I,
I
don't
want
to
ruin
the
the
park.
I'm
delighted
to
get
that
out.
E
And
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
in
a
conversation,
perhaps
briefly,
among
is
what
is
it
we're
up
against
here?
I've
made
living
in
this
profession
and
it's
stunning
to
me
to
have
people
say
that
the
complexity
or
the
con
do
not
merit
a
plan,
and
so
what?
What
is
it
that
leads
our
county
staff
to
be
so
opposed
to
a
12th
slice,
because
what
we're
doing
and
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
past
year
is
not
having
the
staff
that
I
would
expect
it
to
have,
and
the
proposition
that
this
is
complex.
D
If
I,
if
I
was
if
I
was
gonna
empathize
with
with
staff-
which
I
will
do,
I
also
heard
the
commission
or
the
head
of
the
housing
commission
indicate
that
a
substantial
amount
of
the
work
is
on.
It
would
be
on
staff's
plate
to
produce
the
plan,
and
I
can
imagine
hesitancy
about
signing
up
for
that.
As
a
bureaucrat
myself
right,
I
get
it,
but
I
think
that's
that's
why
we
exist.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
necessarily
say
that
they're
they're
against
us
or
against
the
recommendation.
D
I
think
we
should
just
make
the
recommendation
that
we
think
is
valid
and
argue
in
favor
of
it,
and
I
think
actually
our
commission
is
well
positioned
with
the
expertise
and
experience
to
maybe
address.
I
think
some
of
what
mr
husband
has
laid
out,
as
I
think,
a
criticism
and
a
critique
that
is
widely
shared
in
in
the
county,
about
the
speed
of
the
process
of
the
arlington
way
as
being
too
slow,
and
I
think
from
as
technologists.
D
We
probably
all
have
experience
with
faster
ways
of
doing
business
and
that
we
might
be
able
to
propose
and
collaborate
on
a
way
to
develop,
develop
this
segment
of
the
master
plan
in
a
different
way
that
has
been
done
historically
to
get
out
things
that
are
not
controversial
faster
rather
than
doing
the
whole
big
thing
you
know
delivering
in
an
iterative
and
incremental
fashion
as
most
technology
companies
today
do
so.
I
I
don't
think
we're
missing
anything
mike.
I
think
there's
a
legitimate
hesitancy
about
the
amount
of
work
that
producing
this
plan
is
gonna.
E
E
E
A
A
Okay,
we're
getting
like
every
other
word,
but
I
think
what
you
said
is
you
know
what
the
again?
What's
the
the
focus-
and
I
you
know
I
I
concur
with
john
in
terms
of
I
mean
I
I
think
at
this
moment,
institutionalizing
digital
planning
is
critical
for
the
county.
Now
we
can
do
it
probably
multiple
ways,
but
at
the
moment,
the
way
the
county,
institutionalizes
strategic
planning
is
through
the
master
plan,
and
that's
that's
why
this
commission
thinks
it's
important
to
do.
A
Maybe
they'll
figure
out
another
way
to
do
it,
so
it
doesn't
take
two
to
three
years
because
you
remember
the
environmental
group
said
it
took
about
three
years
for
them
to
get
their
slice
in
this
in
the
master
plan.
But
what
we're
saying
is
if
we
continue
the
way
we
are,
there
are
risks,
jackie,
no.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
do
think
there
is
a
a
gap
in
what
how
we've
contemplated
the
mechanism
that
is
needed
for
doing
a
plan
for
one
thing
in
many
of
the
things,
even
though
they
they
are
technical,
they're,
more
common
in
a
larger
part
of
the
population,
understands
what
it
takes
to
do.
G
A
plan
in
this
case
the
the
basic
elements
of
what
a
plan
would
look
like,
I
think,
are
not
well
understood
by
the
group
as
a
whole
and
as
and
the
pressure
on
the
staff
is
not
only
that
it's
very
complex
and
a
lot
of
work,
but
that
we
really
don't
have
the
right
combination
of
people
to
be
able
to
be
working
on
the
technical
answers
and
the
policy
understanding
of
of
what
that
means
for
our
public,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
the
aspects
of
of
the
technical,
technical
aspects
of
the
plan
that
are
not
well
understood
by
the
public
and
so
even
to
think
about
and
prioritize.
G
These
things
requires
a
level
of
understanding.
Technically
that
that
we
don't
have
we.
We
have
some
extremely
expert
folks,
and
then
we
have
quite
a
few
who
who
operate
in
that
world,
but
are
not
extremely
expert,
and
that
makes
it
much
more
complicated.
We
need
to
define
a
plan
which
allows
the
public
in
general
to
have
opinions
but
to
make
sure
those
opinions
are
fact-based
and
so
and
one
of
the
things
that
interrupts.
That
is
a
great
deal
of
lack
of
trust.
G
So
it's
almost
like
what
we
need
staff
to
be
able
to
help
with,
as
well
as
some
of
the
experts
on
our
commission
and
others
is
the
translation
of
needs
and
priorities
into
a
plan
that
is
public
can
be
public
so
that
we're
not
coming
out
with
starting
out
with
a
discussion
that
is
opaque
to
a
lot
of
the
people
who
are
hearing
it.
And
you
know
if
it's
opaque,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
priority.
A
Yeah
and
david,
I
know
you're.
Next,
I
would
like
to
respond
to
jack
jackie
based
on
concur
in
terms
of
it's
important
to
include
right
people.
C
A
Be
able
to
engage,
but
I
would
say
this
is
an
issue
in
multiple
organizations
and
the
international
organizations
I
work
with.
There
are
I.t
governance
committees
and
people
who
sit
on
it
are
not
technology
people
at
all,
but
they
do
engage
in
the
policy
discussion
right
and
they
are
schooled
on
that
and
and
so
this
is
not
a
model
that
we
have
to
invent
it.
Is
there.
G
What
I
have
observed
over
my
long
sort
of
I
guess
ambivalent
relationship
with
with
with
the
technology
is
that
government
is
particularly
bad
at
doing
the
planning
related
to
it,
partly
because
of
how
it
makes
decisions
that
the
typical
government
plan
does
not
suit
itself
to
it.
And
yes,
there
are
some
plans
that
work
but
they're,
not
generally
government
plans,
and-
and
so
it
really
requires
some
strong
leadership
at
the
at
the
leadership,
not
at
the
technical
level,
necessarily
people
who
have
a
technical
level,
but
that's
not
their
main
thing.
G
They're
really
high
level
policy
developers
who
are
able
to
work
with
the
technologists
to
be
able
to
shepherd
this
along,
and
we
don't
have
anyone
in
our
small
government
who
is
given
the
I'm
using
permission
in
a
different
way.
But
who
has
the
time
or
the
permission
to
have
the
time
to
make
this
a
priority?
F
Ahead
david
over
to
you
sure,
without
disagreeing
with
any
of
the
prior
comments,
which
I
think
are
our
jackie's
points
are
true,
and
I
think
mike's
points
are
true
and
I
think
your
point
about
integrating
into
the
process
that
we
have,
even
if
it's
not
the
best
process
is
true.
So
I
agree
with
all
of
that.
So
my
own
unique
thing
that
I
feel
like
a
contributor
is,
I
do
feel
like
the
county
in
general.
The
county
has
this
ethos,
and
I
would
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
just
staff
or
board
members.
F
It's
great
and
innovation
is
really
hard
to
do
when
you're
doing
pretty
good,
and
it's
in
fact
why
there's
a
whole
book
called
good
to
great,
and
I
think
everyone
in
the
county
should
have
to
read
the
book
good
to
great
because
a
lot
of
times
I
try
to
make
suggestions
and
they
say
well
we're
doing
things:
okay
and
I'm
like,
but
they're,
not
great,
and
then
I'm
like
they're
like
well.
We
don't
need
to
be
great
we're
good
enough
a
lot
of
times.
F
I
say
this
is
not
world
class
and
I
say,
but
it's
good
and
I'm
like,
but
it's
not
world
class.
Don't
you
want
to
be
world
class?
So
that's
my
first
point.
We
are
good
sometimes,
but
we're
not
great.
We
really
need
to
have
a
mindset.
That's
a
change.
Just
generally
two
we
need
to
sort
of.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
perspectives.
As
a
lawyer
in
the
cyber
security
world
in
the
federal
government,
I
have
found
reporting
audits
assessments,
planning,
don't
actually
in
and
of
themselves
fix
things
what
they
do.
F
Is
they
force
people
to
pay
attention
to
stuff
so
that
they
have
to
fix
it?
So
I
think
that
again,
I
don't
think
mike's
plan
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer.
I
think
what
it
does
is
it
gets
you
at
the
table.
Get
you
on
the
agenda.
Get
you
in
that
limited
remade
of
time.
I
think.
That's
all
wonderful!
I
think
mike
the
plan
will
be
whatever,
but
I
think,
if
you're
at
the
table,
then
you're
you
know
you're
on
the
menu,
at
least,
which
is
which
is
good.
F
In
this
case,
I
think
one
of
my
issues
with
working
on
data
privacy
and
open
data
is
when
I
get
to
certain
levels,
trying
to
explain
that
we
should
be
focusing
more
on
open
data
data
privacy
or
bringing
these
in
it's
like
limited
resources,
limited
time,
limited
staff.
We
don't
we've
been
the
entire
time.
I've
been
on
this
commission
for
six
years,
we're
constantly
struggling
to
find
our
calling.
Our
vocation
is
commissioned.
F
Who
are
we?
What
are
we
doing?
Who's
hearing
us
who
should
be
hearing
us,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
anything
new,
but
I
I
do
think
mike
to
what
are
you
missing?
It's
like
we
don't
have
a
very
clear
idea
of.
Is
our
job
to
stood
by
staff?
Is
it
to
advise
the
county
manager?
We
is
it
to
advise
the
board.
Where
is
the
board?
How
do
we
talk
to
them?
F
So
I
think
clarify
and
then,
of
course
the
board
is
itself
part-time
and,
as
eric
just
said,
not
all
board
members
are
created,
equal,
which
I
thought
was
a
very
polite
way
of
describing
that
I
think
this
is
a
fundamental
problem.
F
Is
the
county
is
in
a
generally
they're
an
above
average
student
in
the
class
they're
a
b-plus
student,
and
we
are
the
people
we
are
their
tutors,
trying
to
get
them
to
be
a
students
and
they're
just
like
I'm
happy
we're
b-plus,
but
they
think
they're
getting
a's,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
change
that
mindset,
but
they
are.
You
know
that
I
think,
is
the
heart
of
the
problem.
Is
this
mindset
that
we're
we're
doing?
Well?
We
don't
need
to
improve
it
that
much
more
dramatically
thanks.
A
Thanks
david
and
as
you
know,
this
is
david's
last
last
meeting
with
us,
so
we
yeah.
Can
I
have
one
moment
you
will
you
you
can
yeah.
You
can
certainly
at
the
end
david.
We
would
love
for
you
to
do
that.
Okay,
so
we
will
we
frank
and
I
will
be
sending
this
to
to
the
board
and
and
then
we
will
I'm
sure
we
will
revisit
this
at
our
next.
A
Our
next
meeting,
which
we
will
have
to
figure
out
when
that
is
whether
it's
august
or
july,
but
we
do
have
another
letter
and
sharon.
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
you,
and
also
I
know
jackie
and
john
also
were
sit
on
the
clarendon
innovation
project.
It
was
and
john
sent
you
the
testimony
he
did
as
a
private
citizen
in
in
arlington
county.
You
all
have
seen
the
the
joint
letter
from
epac
and
sharon.
A
H
Great,
thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
inviting
me
to
do
this
tonight.
So,
as
you
are
likely
aware,
by
now
epack
joined
or
or
communicated
with
mary,
because
there
were,
we
had
several
issues
with
with
what
was
happening
last
week.
H
Our
meeting
is
always
generally
a
week
before
yours
and
at
our
meeting
last
week,
epact
decided
unanimously
to
approve
the
letter
either,
as
is
if,
if
tech
commission
decides
to
also
approve
it
or
if
tech
commission
does
not
approve
it,
we
will
go
ahead
and
submit
it
on
our
own,
and
so
we
did.
The
discussion
was
that
we
do
think
this
is
very
important
and
you
know,
even
though
the
board
has
already
made
their
decision.
H
We,
as
representatives
of
the
community,
would
like
and
board
advisors,
would
like
to
further
go
on
record
and
and
submit
the
letter.
A
Thank
you
sharon,
so
the
the
joint
letter.
I
will
entertain
motion
from
the
floor.
If,
unless
there's
any,
are
there
any
any
suggestions,
any
any
changes
before
we
before
we
move
to
to
either
adopt
or
or
reject.
A
G
C
D
Yeah,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
there's
a
couple
versions
that
flew
around,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
find
the
latest
version.
All
right
give
me
one.
Second.
G
A
G
G
G
To
me,
this
has
been
a
very
and
I
I
think,
john
for
john.
Also,
it's
a
very
challenging
role,
because
we're
representing
our
commissions
and
in
that
I'm
trying
very
hard
to
be
neutral
and
to
provide
guidance
both
for
the
board
and
also
for
our
commissions,
and
to
have
that
pretty
firmly
rooted
in
the
role
that
was
defined.
For
us,
which
was.
G
To
be
dealing
with
privacy,
and
they
want
us
to
know
about
the
other
things
and
they
want
us
to
see
the
other
things
through
the
vision
of
privacy,
but
I
think
what
they
maybe
not
what
they
want,
but
maybe
what
they
need
is
that
they
they
need
not
to
get
caught
in
an
uncomfortable
position
with
the
public
on
this.
G
So
I
have
been
concerned
from
the
beginning
that
the
way
this
is
being
approached
is
not
was
not
giving
the
public
sufficient
information
to
understand
this
before
being
in
the
position
of
having
it
approved
and
that
it,
since
it
is
a
pilot
and
that's
partly
why
it's
partly
because
it
was
a
pilot,
it's
partly
because
it
was
not
a
grant.
We
had
to
win
the
money,
for
we
were
approached
to
be
the
pilot,
and
so
it
has
many
different
features
about
it
and
in
some
ways,
there's
advice
you
might
give
to
the
particular
group.
G
That's
doing
it
about
whether
arlington
is
the
right
place
to
pilot,
because
there
seems
to
be
some
misunderstandings.
I
think
about
what
you
get
from
an
arlington
pilot,
particularly
in
clarendon
than
other
places,
about
the
use
cases
of
like
gunshots,
which
is
one
of
the
main
things
is
this.
G
Is
you
know,
in
some
circles
this
is
referred
to
as
the
gun,
gunshot,
sensors
and
I
don't
think
clarendon
is
exactly
the
right
place
to
be
testing
that,
but
you
know
some
cases,
but
not
not
like
here's,
a
here's,
a
place
where
you'll
get
a
lot
of
cases
on
that,
so
the
issue
has
been
how
to
try
to
work
with
staff
and
the
more
technical
experts
that
are
on
this
group
to
try
to
understand
how
to
translate
the
cost
benefit
analysis
in
a
way
that
the
answers
are
clear
to
the
public.
G
What
what
why
are
we?
The
biggest
question,
seems
to
be
coming.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
Yes,
there's
a
lot
of
things
we're
nervous
about,
but
what
justifies
doing
this
and
what
do
we
get
from
it?
And
the
other
question
I
think,
is
that
a
large
part
of
the
public
is
saying
well,
there
are
a
lot
of
the
risks
that
we
and
other
people
that
we
know
understand
in
terms
of
the
is
someone
else
talking.
F
F
A
G
Okay,
so
you
know
a
very
difficult
task
of
of
how
to
try
to
bring
up-to-date
communication
with
the
public
when
they're
wanting
to
implement
immediately
and
a
lot
of
this
developing
products
that
can
go
on
the
website
and
we
can
explain,
has
comes
unfortunately
late
enough.
So
now
we
already
have
from
civic
association
presentations,
both
john
also
mine
and
as
well
as
some
others,
a
great
deal
of
distrust
about
what
it
is
that
they
really
want
to
do
and
what
the
technology
really
is.
G
So
if
you
tell
the
average
citizen
that
there
are
no
cameras,
they're
just
optical
sensors,
they
have
a
hard
time
trying
to
think
see
that
not
as
a
conflict.
G
It's
like,
and
here's
and
here's
the
optical
pictures
you
can
put
together.
But
we
we're
not
taking
pictures,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
have
algorithms
that
we
can
determine
to
to
save
the
particular
views
that
we
want.
But
it's
not
you
know
it's
not
video,
and
so
it
leaves
it
as
very
hard
for
people
to
understand
exactly
what
is
being
done.
But
it's
really
as
a
pilot
they're,
contributing
the
equipment
so
and
what
we're
contributing
is
our
data.
A
Right,
okay,
so
we
I
mean,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
we
thanks,
jackie.
I
think
one
of
the
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
of
is
that
this
will
not
be
the
last
pilot.
You
know,
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
do
innovation
and
john.
I
will
you're
next.
A
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
know.
I
was
interested
in
us
looking
at
this,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
certain
questions
that
are
asked
and
it's
not
necessarily
you
know,
who's
involved
in
what
companies
are
involved,
particularly
because
arlington
has
a
very
specific
population,
and
our
concern
obviously
was
the
operational
decision
making,
which
john
was
in
his
testimony
outlined
john.
You
want
a
final
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
to
to
review.
D
Yeah
first
off
I'd,
associate
myself
with
all
of
jackie's
comments.
I
think
I
agree
with
them
all,
so
I
won't
repeat
them.
I
do
think
that
it
should
be
noted
that
in
this
board
report
the
level
of
engagement
was
raised.
D
The
original
board
report
had
a
engagement
level
of
communicate,
and
this
was
raised
to
communicate
and
consult,
and
I
think
that
was
a
as
a
direct
result
of
some
of
the
feedback
that
this
commission
and
and
I
had
provided.
I
think
it
was
a
miss
that
it
wasn't
engaging
consult
up
front.
So
you
know
all
all
of
the
questions
and
all
of
the
the
mistrust
were
totally
predictable
and
we
still
have
many
unanswered
questions
we're
getting
more
of
them.
D
I
think
I
I
think
that
the
and
and
holly
in
her
presentation
to
the
board
clarified
that
they
would
not
in
fact
be
using
this
data
for
operational
decision
making
during
the
course
of
the
pilot,
which
I
think
is
good,
because
I
think
that
substantially
reduces
the
risk
right,
because,
if
we're
just
putting
them
up
there
we're
seeing
how
it
goes
and
we're
learning,
then
all
sorts
of
things
could
go
wrong
and
there
wouldn't
be
tremendous
amount
of
impact.
D
So
I
think
all
of
the
questions,
all
of
the
all
of
the
concern,
all
of
the
things
that
we
could
or
should
have
done
better,
are
all
valid,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
ultimate
risk
profile
of
this
project,
and
this
pilot
is
pretty
low.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
in
a
public
space
and
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy
and
mike
before
you
say,
say
anything.
I
agree
that
we
should
probably
raise
our
standards
above
that
that
should
be.
We
should.
D
We
should
treat
privacy
as
a
civil
right,
but
ultimately,
if
somebody
in
a
public
place
gets
gets
their
picture
taken
or
sound
recorded
of
them.
That's
that's
not
that
big
of
a
harm
I
think,
and
that
and
that
and
that
data
is
available
to
somebody
who
who
shouldn't
have
it.
I
don't
think
that's
a
substantial
harm,
so
I
think
the
risk
profile
has
been
substantially
lowered
by
the
clarification
that
we
got
during
the
board
report.
D
I
do
think,
though,
that
is
important
for
us
to
voice
our
concerns
as
a
commission,
because
one
of
the
other
practices-
and
I
laid
this
out
during
our
last
meeting-
is
we
get
the
here's,
the
scope
of
the
privacy
data
governance
board
that
jackie
and
I
sit
on
and
it's
about
privacy
and
then,
when
any
question
ever
comes
up,
we
get
held
up
as
the
cure-all
to
public
engagement,
which
is
well
beyond
our
scope.
Right
now,
jackie-
and
I
are
both
on
on
the
these
other
commissions.
So
we're
not.
D
We
don't
feel
bounded
by
our
scope,
but
the
oversight
panel
is
focused
on
the
privacy
aspect
and
I
think
in
that
respect
we
are
making
some
good
progress
in
terms
of
privacy,
impact
assessment
and
and
the
privacy
principles
and
kind
of
piloting
the
privacy
program,
which
I
think
is
all
well
and
good.
D
But
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
lessons
learned
coming
out
of
this
pilot
and
I
think
it
is
illustrative
of
the
need
for
a
digital
planning
framework,
because
all
of
these
questions
should
have
been
answerable.
So
I'm
not
terribly
concerned
about
the
project
about
the
pilot
moving
forward
and
us
continuing
to
participate,
but
I
do
think
it's
worthwhile
for
us
as
a
commission
to
join
with
epact
and
and
voice
some
concerns.
Some.
A
Okay
thanks
john
and
sharon,
your
final
word
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
the
vote.
H
Thank
you,
mary,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
there
has
been
lots
of
back
and
forth
on
whether
there
will
be
video
and
whether
there
will
be
operational
use
of
anything
that
is
happening
in
clarendon.
So,
for
example,
at
one
point
they
were
saying
there
was
many
times
actually
they've
said
that
there
was
going
to
be
video
to
see
whether
or
not
that
data
is
the
data
getting
captured
as
being
is
accurate
or
not,
and
they've
gone
back
and
forth.
On
that.
H
I
have
also
heard
them
go
back
and
forth,
including
just
in
the
last
few
days
over
whether
or
not
it
will
be
operational
use
during
the
year.
So
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
that
still
hasn't
been
that
just
isn't
clear.
The
other
thing
that
you
should
know
is
that
we
do
have
someone
from
pentagon
force
protection
on
our
on
our
commission
and
she
verified
in
an
open
meeting
that
it
has
not
been
that
the
our
appropriate
federal,
dod
and
other
partners
at
least
dod
have
not
been
appropriately
contacted.
H
A
A
Mike,
were
you
you
proposing
that
we
we
adopt
the
letter,
the
okay.
Do
I
hear
a
second.
A
All
right,
so
we
john
thank
you
for
scrolling,
letting
people
just
refreshing
people's
memories,
because
we
we
had.
We
had
a
lot
to
read
this
week.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
before
us
is
angela
sent
to
us
right.
Yes,
yes,
martha!
This
is
what
angela
sent
to
you.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification.
Yes,
yes,
so
all
those
in
favor
say
I
anyone
opposed
any.
A
All
right
sounds
like
the
eyes
have
it,
so
we
will
so
sharon
we.
We
will
send
a
joint,
the
joint
letter
to
to
the
board
and
you
and
I
can
coordinate
that
so
we
can.
We
can
send
it.
Okay,.
H
That
sounds
great
and
we
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
think
we
now
have
an
even
greater
bond.
I
guess
between
the
past,
not
just
because
of
that
letter,
but
but
I
think
it
greater
awareness
as
well.
Jackie's
been
great.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
to
do
even
more
we'd
like
to
actually
consider
supporting
some
of
what
you're
doing
in
cyber,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
continuing
our
discussion.
Thank.
A
You
thanks
so
much
sharon.
You
take
care
all
right,
frank
already,
you,
my
friend,
for
the
legislative
update
and
I'm
sorry.
We
might
go
a
little
bit
over.
I
apologize.
We
do
like
to
finish
7
30
but,
as
you
know,
we've
got
frank
which
is
important
legislative
update
and
then
the
review
of
the
minutes
and
decide
which
month.
So
those
are
the
three
three
things
I
appreciate
mike.
You
had
a
question
before
we
move
on.
E
Yeah
just
a
quick
suggestion
when,
whenever
we
do
get
to
the
lessons
learned
about
this
clarendon
experiment,
I
think
we
want
to
frame
it
in
the
I.t
governance
context,
because
we've
listened
a
lot
to
what's
not
possible.
Given
the
limitations
on
resources
in
the
county
and
it.
G
D
I
I
would
describe
mike
the
the
reaction
from
the
civic
association
that
I
listened
into,
which
is
the
courthouse
clarendon
civic
association,
in
terms
of
the.
Why,
as
baffled
as
to
why
we
would
why
this
is
a
priority.
So
they
didn't
see
it
as
a
priority.
E
A
And
mike,
I
think
you
and
I
have
had
this
conversation
there's
a
lot
of
innovation
projects
that
are
going
to
come
to.
We
are
now
going
to
be
tech
disney
with
amazon
hq,
so
we
want
some
process
some
some
agreed
framework,
so
that
there
is
a
very
you
know,
a
very
considered
way
to
to
move
forward
right.
E
A
I
Okay,
we
ran
out
of
time
for
the
may
report,
so
this
is
the
combined
may
and
june
legislative
report,
so
I
will
try
to
keep
it
quickly,
so
we
don't
run
out
of
time
again
here
anyway,
on
may
20th,
the
fcc
adopted
a
further
decision,
reducing
interstate
rates
and
charges
for
incarcerated
people
and
and
will
limit
international
rates
and
we'll
seek
comment
on
further
reforms,
including
for
incarcerated
people
with
disabilities.
I
So
mary
reported
on
connecticut's
free
calls
for
for
incarcerated
people,
so
it's
it
really
putting
focus
on
this,
but
the
idea
is
that
a
lot
of
this
falls
on
intra
state
which
falls
to
the
states
and
the
fcc
has
encouraged
actions
like
happening
with
connecticut,
but
at
least
reasonable
rates.
Anyhow,
the
emergency
broadband
benefit
program,
the
ebb
start
date
was
may
12th
and
when
eligible
households
became
able
elbow
to
receive
a
50
monthly
discount
on
broadband
over
1
million
households
enrolled
in
the
first
week,
I
think
we're
over.
I
So
that
goes
to
the
end
users,
in
our
case
largely
residents,
but
we
also
have
the
emergency
connectivity
fund
program.
Seven
point
one
billion
well:
the
fcc
has
adopted
a
report
in
order
that
enables
schools
and
libraries
to
purchase
tablets
and
laptops,
as
well
as
provide
broadband
service
for
students
and
staff
through
again
money,
that's
gone
so
the
so
the
fcc
has
adopted
rules.
I
Now
on
the
emergency
connectivity
fund
program,
the
fcc
has
proposed
to
accelerate
the
date
by
which
small
voice
providers
that
originate
an
especially
large
amount
of
call
traffic
must
implement
the
stir,
shake
and
caller
id
authentication
framework.
The
fcc
has
also
issued
cease
and
des
desist
letters
to
two
companies
to
stop
illegal
robocall
campaign.
I
Fcc
commissioner,
brendan
carr,
has
called
for
a
new
approach
to
fund
closing
the
digital
dubai.
Currently,
traditional
telephone
service
has
a
universal
sun
service
fund.
Usf
contribution
factor
of
30
car
calls
for
big
tech.
Large
internet
companies
to
pay
their
fair
share,
there's
also
been
a
push
to
have
tech
companies
also
pay
the
regulatory
fees
that
help
support
the
fcc.
I
I
currently
only
largely
licensees
have
paid
those
paid,
those
fees
the
fcc
has
reached
agreements
with
at
t
t,
mobile
and
verizon
to
start
delivering
vertical
location
information
in
connection
with
911
calls
nationwide,
which
will
help
first
responders
quickly,
locate
911
callers
in
multi-story
buildings.
There
had
been
a
lag
in
implementing
that
in
the
some
of
the
some
markets,
and
this
actually
basically
was
a
result
of
a
settlement
between
the
fcc
and
the
major
wireless
carriers
to
implement
this,
and
so
really
is
helping
to
expedite.
I
I
Yes,
so,
and
he-
and
he
did
note-
that
fixed
wireless
broadband
has
become
a
very
significant
tributer
to
conte.
You
know
to
providing
service,
but
also
competition,
so
it
should
have
a
place
at
the
table
in
any
funding
for
for
broadband.
Generally.
Anyhow.
That
concludes
my
report.
C
A
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
very
much
frank
and
thanks
for
for
being
patient.
I
know
last
last
time
we
were
running
at
the
end.
Well
without
further
ado,
we
have
three
not
one,
not
two
but
three.
We
have
march
meeting
minutes
april
meeting
minutes
and
may
meeting
minutes.
Does
anyone
have
we'll
go
with
march
1st?
Does
anyone
have
any
any
changes
to
make
any
any
additions?
Amendments
for
the
march
minutes.
D
A
A
All
right,
angela
march,
is
done
all
right.
Let's
move
on
to
april.
Are
there
any
and
you
will
hear
a
puppy
in
the
background,
so
not
to
worry.
A
I
D
I
A
All
right,
all
right
and
finally,
the
the
may
minutes
any
any
changes.
Any
suggestions
on
the
may
minutes.
E
I
have
another
on
my
own
section.
Okay
question:
that's
attributed
to
me.
Perhaps
it
was
garbled,
it
seems
goggled
in
the
minute
for
me,
but
what
I
simply
meant
to
be
asking
was
whether
the
county
staff
was
for
or
against
a
master
plan
for
okay,
somehow
that
got
lost.
I
hope
the
question
is
clear.
I.
A
All
right,
angela,
can
we
make
that
just
just
make
sure
that
the
question
and
mike,
if
you
could
put,
I
don't
know,
do
you
have
access
to
the
chat?
It's
just
what
I
I
believe
what
you
were
asking
is:
what
was
the
county
staff's
position
on
the
digital
plan?
Correct?
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
if
we
could
add
that
to
make
sure
that's
reflected
in
the
in
the
minutes,
angela
that'll
be
great
any
anything
else.
Anyone
wants
to
make
sure
we.
A
Thank
you
frank.
Second,.
C
A
All
right,
anyone
opposed
abstain,
all
right,
we're
all
caught
up
with
the
minutes.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
know
we're
going
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
beyond
and
we've
only
got
two
more
pieces,
one
any
preference
about
july
or
august.
Does
anyone
want
to
make
a
suggestion
about
whether
we
meet
in
july
or
august?
We
usually
have
one
month
that
is
actually
considered
a
summer
month.
John,
do
you.
D
And
I
and
I
may
I
may
be
conscious
in
by
the
time
the
august
meeting
would
be,
but
if,
if
it
doesn't
work
for
other
people,
then
I
will
probably
miss
I'll
miss
july.
A
Anyone
anyone
have
any
difficulty
with
us
skipping
july
and
and
meeting
in
august.
It
would
be
august
28th.
Is
that
right,
frank?
If
I
got
that
or
is
it
august
25th?
Is
it
right
yeah.
A
August
25th
is
the
is
the
date
august
25th.
Are
we
any
any
opposition
to
that
any
hearing?
None,
we
will
not
meet
in
july.
We
will
meet
august
25th
and
david
it
as
as
we
said,
we
appreciate
your
six
years.
A
You
have
been
as
as
as
frank,
and
I
said
in
the
note
we
thank
you
for
the
raising
raising
the
awareness
of
privacy
and
you
have
been
a
a
passionate
commission
member
on
many
occasions,
so
I
I
turn
it
over
to
you
to
to
on
closing
comments
and
then
we'll
adjourn
thanks.
F
Mary
thanks,
frank
yeah,
so
this
is
a
weird
way
to
go
virtually
remotely.
So
I'm
sorry
that
I
can't
see
you
all
and
talk
to
you
all
and
and
meet
some
people.
You
know
for
drinks,
I'm
not!
I
guess
I
should
say
this
is
farewell,
but
not
goodbye.
I've
just
moved
to
fairfax
county
and
due
to
arcane.
You
know
constraints
that
I
guess
that
means
that
this
this
doesn't
work
out
anymore,
but
actually,
I
think
it's
a
good
time.
F
I
I
thoroughly
enjoyed
the
six
years
the
two
terms
that
I've
had.
I,
I
can't
believe
it's
been
six
years.
It
feels
like
it
just
happened
so
like
that's,
both
good
and
bad
and
and
and
like
like.
We
were
saying
I
feel,
like
I've,
been
able
to
add
a
lot
of
my
own
perspectives
on
data
privacy
and
data,
and
it's
been
great
to
have
a
venue.
I've
also
just
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
interact
with
so
many
different
people
with
so
many
different
ways
of
life
and
background.
C
F
I
say
a
lot
of
negative
things
about
arlington
in
the
hope
of
improving,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
think
is
really
positive
is
the
way
this
group
does
utilize.
Citizen
talent,
I
mean
the
diversity
of
our
citizenry
and
the
diversity
of
people's
experiences
having
a
former
federal
cio.
Having
former
you
know,
fcc
members
and
having
young
people
old
people
like
multi-generational.
F
It's
been,
it's
been
really
wonderful
and
it's
been
great
to
experience
the
local
government
in
the
real,
real
working
side
of
local
government,
but
thanks
to
jack
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
he's
here
but
david
and
david
hurley
and
all
the
other
staff
that
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with-
I,
if
I
hadn't
moved,
I
would
not
be
leaving.
So
this
is
not
a
fault
of
the
commission,
but
I
do
also
think
that
it
is
all
good.
F
Things
must
come
to
an
end,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
time
again,
I'm
not
going
away
and
when
we
get
to
our
regular,
you
know,
work,
work,
rhythms
again
I'll
still
be
working
in
dc
and
be
coming
through
arlington,
so
hopefully
I'll
be
I'll,
be
seeing
some
of
you
at
various
things
and
I'm
only
always
right
across
the
border
in
fairfax
county.
So
but
it's.
C
F
A
I
thought
so
yeah
all
right
thanks
so
much
everybody
and
entertain
a
motion
to
everybody's
waving
and
we
will
we'll
get
together
for
a
proper
with
denise
as
well
right.
So
that
would
be
great
to
when,
when
we're
back
face
to
face
yeah
I'd
come
out
for
that.
Yeah.