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A
No,
no,
no!
No!
It's
a
minute.
We
got
a
minute
tim,
we're
delighted
to
have
you
and
it
sounds
like
you're
you're
going
to
be
briefing
a
lot
of
places
and
we
even
have
some
guests
from
the
civic
federation.
A
So
so
we're
we're
delighted
that
that
you
could
come
give
us
a
date.
So
we
will
welcome
everybody
and
welcome
our
our
guests
and
and
we're
delighted
to
have
tim.
He
is
he
has
visited
us
many
times,
but
I
think
he
has
good
news
this
time
and
and
will
give
us
will
give
us
an
update
of
where
the
where
the
broadband
authority
is
and
what
he
thinks
is
going
to
happen
in
22..
A
C
You
can
see
it
great
all
right,
so
here
I'll
begin,
so
yeah
thanks
everyone
again,
as
always
to
mary,
inviting
me
and
frank
as
well
and
everybody
else
at
itech
that
you
know
have
been
so
nice
to
have
me
in
the
past
to
listen
to
me
and
ask
great
questions.
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
you
know:
premieres
requests
someone
to
come
and
just
give
you
some
updates
on
what
we've
been
doing
since
the
last
time.
I
came
to
speak
to
you
guys,
and
so
we
we
have
some
good
news.
I
think
we
are
kind
of
moving
in
on
a
path
that
you
know
it's
it's
encouraging
to
us,
and
so
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
walk
through
the
kind
of
steps
as
we've
we've
that
we've
kind
of
taken
along
the
way.
C
Since
probably
last
time
we
saw
you
so
it
begins
in
the
spring
and
back
in
april
2021.
You
know
we
had
through
our
lobbying
of
the
board
members,
particularly
the
board
chair,
matt
deferente.
We
were
able
to
get
matt
to
put
to
put
money,
allocate
money
in
the
budget
to
do
an
analysis
of
the
advisability
of
broadband
authority,
and
he
put
fifty
thousand
dollars
towards
that,
and
you
know
the
we
were
excited
about
it
that
they
were
gonna
at
least
be
looking
at
it.
C
The
only
the
bad
things
at
the
time,
though,
was
that
the
like
the
budget
authorizing
language
was
a
little
narrowly
focused.
I
basically
just
mentioned
that
they
would
be
looking
at
whether
you
know
they
would
be
doing
cbrs
and
they're
only
going
to
focus
on
a
specific
type
of
affordable
housing
unit
called
the
committed,
affordable
housing.
C
This
is
like
the
appas
and
the
ahd's
of
the
community,
so
it's
it's
very
narrowly
focused
and
was
not
what
we
wanted,
but
it
was
what
matt
thought
he
could
get
through
at
the
time
so
that
you
know
that
dropped
and
we're
happy,
and
we
thought
you
know.
Okay.
C
This
is
something
we
can
work
with
at
least,
and
so
that
was
the
kind
of
first
thing
that
happened,
that
we
were
excited
about
and
then,
then,
a
month
later,
the
us
treasury
dropped
its
guidelines
for
how
this
the
local
funds
from
the
american
rescue
plan
act
should
be
used.
C
If
they're
going
to
be
used
for
broadband
infrastructure,
which
was
you
know,
a
super,
exciting
document
for
us
to
get
and
read
because
you
know
it
was
seemingly
what
happened
was
that
the
federal
government
was
basically
saying
that
if
you're
going
to
use
these
funds,
you
need
to
meet
certain
criteria,
and
so
we
started
to
kind
of
look
to
look
through
this
document,
and
we
saw
like
right
away
that
the
feasibility
study
that
the
criteria
for
that
was
just
way.
It
wasn't
even
meeting
the
u.s
treasurer's
guidelines.
C
So
what
we
did
is
we
went
through
those
guidelines
and
we
talked
with
matt
and
we
said
you
know
we
want
to
propose
how
this
might
be
changed
and
he
said.
Okay,
just
you
need
to
go
back,
though,
and
look
at
the
budget
meetings
and
listen
to
my
colleagues.
C
That
said-
and
you
know
try
to
frame
it
around
that,
so
so
we
did
and
we
we
basically
said:
okay,
well,
the
the
county
board
member
said
they
want
this
study
to
establish
some
basic
facts
and
we
outlined,
we
thought
those
facts
with
facts
should
be
established,
some
of
the
main
ones.
Just
being
basically,
you
know
what
kind
of
infrastruc
what
kind
of
infrastructure
needs
to
be
built?
What
kind
of
technology
needs
to
be
used?
From
our
perspective,
what
was
very
great
about
the
us
treasury
guidelines
was
that
they
were.
C
They
were
saying
that
this
infrastructure
should
be
meeting
a
100.
You
know
mbps
up
and
down
symmetrical
standard
which,
basically
you
know
for
us.
You
know
our
our
focus.
Has
this
point
basically
been
on
trying
to
get
the
county
to
look
at
building
up
fiber
infrastructure
for
us?
That's,
you
know
the
the
technology
of
the
future
and
has
you
know
the
best
return
investment
and
it's
just
best
suited
to
meet.
You
know
the
needs
that
we
have
in
the
community
so
that
you
know
having
that
kind
of
100
by
100.
C
Symmetrical
basically
said
that,
if
you
do,
if
you,
if
the
localities
use
this
this
money
for
him
for
broadband
infrastructure,
it
needs
to
be
fiber,
which
was
great
and
some
other.
Some
other
points
in
the
the
treasury
guidelines
was
basically
that
the
localities
themselves
can
determine
need
they.
C
They
said
that
a
guideline
a
rough
guideline
should
be
whether
you're
meeting
25
3,
but
they
also
acknowledge
that
25
3
is
not
a
great
standard
and
so
that
counties
in
localities
could
determine
their
own
their
own
standards
for
meeting
what
would
be
basically
underserved
and
unserved,
which
was
great,
and
then
I
think
you
know.
C
Basically,
the
other
portion
of
it
was
that
they
said
that
if
this
is
built
out
to
help
low
income
or
underserved,
neighborhoods
or
households,
that
you
know
they
that
this
infrastructure
could
also
be
used
to
serve
anyone
else.
That's
in
that
vicinity.
C
You
know,
regardless
of
their
income
level
or
their
need
and
they've,
been
including
small,
including
businesses,
including
anchor
institutions,
and
things
like
that,
because
they
said
that
they
recognized
that
to
make
these
projects
viable.
You
know
they
would
most
likely
have
to
have
a
broader
population
of
subscribers
than
just
low
income.
C
Essentially,
so
all
things
that
we
had
been
kind
of
pushed
we
got
stressed
into
the
county
all
along
in
terms
of
doing
a
feasibility
study,
so
we
put
together,
you
know
our
parameters
and
sent
that
over
to
them
and
we
started
meeting
with
them
again.
C
A
A
A
A
E
A
Yeah
he's
tim
tim.
What
you
might
want
to
do
is
come
out
and
come
and
end
your
meeting
and
come
back
in
there.
We
go
that's
what
he
did.
C
Hey,
I'm
sorry
yeah,
my
my
browser
crashed.
C
Yeah,
you
know,
and
I
knew
I
knew
I
should
have
opened
it
in
microsoft,
edge
or
whatever
I
I
should
not
have
opened
in
anything
else.
I've
never
had
good
luck
with
it,
but,
okay,
I'm
sorry.
I
will.
I
try
to
pick
up
for
some
lost
time.
C
C
E
Yes,
do
you
want
to
email
them
to
you?
Let's
see
he's
back
on
all.
G
Angela,
I
think,
if
you
remove
the
tim
d,
ariel
fiber
guest.
C
A
C
Now,
okay,
I
don't
know
where
was
I.
A
C
Yeah,
so
we
we,
basically,
I
guess
that's
just.
What
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
in
the
in
the
summer
we
were
able
to
push
this
out
this
parameters
out.
We
converted
another
board
member
to
our
cause,
and
so
we
were
already
you
know.
We
saw
things
kind
of
starting
to
move
in
a
different
direction
and
then,
in
october
we
held
a
forum
on
benefits
of
community
broadband
and
we
invited
three
representatives
of
other
community
networks.
C
One
was
deb
socia.
Some
of
you
might
be
familiar
with
her.
She
actually
was
one
of
the
co-authors
of
the
county's
broadband
commission
from
a
few
years
ago
that
wrote
that
report
on
how
to
use
the
the
fiber
she's
over
at
in
chattanooga
now
working
at
their
enterprise
institute.
So
she
talked
about
all
the
great
digital
equity
programs,
they're
doing
and
all
the
great
things
they've
accomplished
with
their
public
network
brad
nosler
from
hillsboro,
which
is
a
new
network.
C
Hillsborough,
is
very
similar
to
arlington.
It's
kind
of
a
tech
heavy
crowd,
the
population's
kind
of
similar.
They
have
also
two
other
incumbents
there,
but
they've
rolled
out
a
municipal
fiber
to
the
home
network.
Last
year
that
was
based
on
their
own
existing
dark
fiber
network
and
they're.
You
know
they're
they're,
they're
a
really
awesome
digital
equity
program.
C
They're
doing
you
know
providing
geek
service
to
symmetrical
gig
service
for
ten
dollars
to
low-income
households
there,
and
we
had
daniel
jones
from
portsmouth
who
just
time
talked
about
the
the
their
experience
of
using
a
broadband
authority
there
to
to
do
digital
equity
work,
and
then
last
we
had
bruce
patterson
who's.
A
consultant
now
for
entry
point,
but
bruce
had
previously
been
at
the
the
ammon
idaho
municipal
network.
He
kind
of
talked
about
the
the
kind
of
roy
cutting
edge
type.
Things
are
doing
there
with
networking
technology.
C
So
if
anyone
didn't
watch
that
I
highly
suggest
going
back
and
listening
to
it,
you
know
I
can't
really
even
begin
to
talk
about
all
the
details
of
it
now,
but
it
was
heavily
attended
by
county
staff
from
dts
and
from
the
county
manager's
office.
We
had
a
few
county
board
members
there
as
well,
so
it
was.
We
were
excited
about
that,
and
so
now,
where
things
stand,
is
that
you
know
we've
been
talking
to
the
county
board?
Members
we
have
not
been
able
to
meet
with
them.
C
C
A
thousand
three
of
the
five
members
are
in
favor
of
expanding
the
scope
to
look
at
the
entire
county,
rather
than
just
a
few
neighborhoods.
C
The
staff
from
what
we've
been
told,
are
working
on
the
criteria
for
rfp,
and
I
guess
we
will
have
a
chance
to
provide
some
input
or
feedback
on
that,
and
I
would
say,
with
the
state
election
results,
I
it's
hard
to
say
what's
gonna
happen
at
the
state
level,
but
I
feel
like
given
the
potential
potential
for
more
hostility
towards
kind
of
public
broadband,
especially
in
municipal
areas.
C
You
know,
I
are
the
message
we
would
like
to
deliver
to
the
board
when
we
meet
with
them
is
that
they
should
just
form
the
authority
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that,
even
if
the
law
changes
in
the
future
that
you
know
hopefully
would
be
grandfathered
in
we've
seen
that
in
the
past,
with
some
other,
there
have
been
some
other
precedents.
For
that,
and
I
guess
the
last
thing
is
that
there's
a
kind
of
a
question
mark
over
the
fate
of
the
federal
broadband
funds,
they're
generally
going
to
go
to.
B
C
State
from
here
on
out
and
the
state
has
kind
of
authorized
the
department
of
community
development,
housing
or
housing
and
community
development
to
to
decide
what
to
do
with
it
and
it
seems
like
they
are
not
really
changing
the
virginia
telecommunications
initiative
criteria
very
much.
It
looks
like
most.
This
money
is
still
going
to
be
going
to
rural
areas
and
it's
still
going
to
be
not
really
going
anywhere,
where
there's
significant
presence
already
by
incumbents.
C
So
I
don't
know
whether
we'll
actually
benefit
from
that.
I
don't
think
frankly
that
we
need
it.
It
would
help,
but
I
mean
I
think
some
of
this
is
just
the
case,
that
how
is
the
county
going
to
use
the
existing
funds
that
had
left
over
from
its
arpa
money?
And
I
guess
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation.
So
I
sorry
that
there
was
a
hiccup,
but
I
don't
know
if
people
have
questions
or
if
there's
still
time
for
that.
But
I
will
do
my
best
answer.
A
There's
absolutely
time
and
request
to
put
the
link
in
the
chat.
If
you
could
for
the
presentation
you
described
that'd
be
great
tim.
G
B
H
C
So
I
I
would,
I
would
say
it's,
I
would
say
it's
twofold
at
this
point.
I
I
think,
like
the
most
base
goal
for
us
that
I
want
to
see
is,
I
think
the
county
just
needs
to
form
the
authority.
C
You
know,
and
that
was
if
you
go
back
and
watch
the
presentation
from
the
guy
from
portsmouth
is
that
he
said
you
know
one
thing
he
highlighted
in
the
question:
the
q
a
was
just
that
if
you're
going
to
do
anything
with
your
with
your
existing
fiber
assets,
you
need
to
form
an
authority,
because
you
know
right
now.
You
know:
we've
we've
had
a
conversation
with
jack
gulcher
and
he
said
that
you
know
they
because
of
the
way
that
the
the
they
operate
the
way
they're
operating
under
the
part
of
the
va
code.
C
Right
now
like
they
can't
place
any
kind
of
county
owned
infrastructure
on
private
property
at
all,
and
if
they
had
an
authority
they
could
do
that.
So
I
think
you
know
that's
number
that's
step.
One
is
that
they
need
to
form
the
authority
just
so
they
get
better
use
out
of
the
network.
They
have
right
now,
and
you
know,
there's
just
be
greater
leverage
for
them
or
later
they'll
have
more.
You
know
just
have
more
opportunity
to
use
it
specifically.
C
I
would
also
say
that
if
you
people
didn't
know
this
the
county
right
now,
they
built
these
quote:
unquote:
wi-fi
blasters
on
columbia,
pike
based
in
not
on,
and
they
have
no
legal
authority
to
do
that.
Other
than
a
letter
they
received
from
the
the
telecommunications
lobby
saying
that
they
could
do
it
for
the
the
duration
of
the
the
pandemic.
C
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
very
precarious
position
to
be
in.
We
don't
need
to
be,
I
mean
you
know
we
can
form
the
authority
and
and
take
over
those
assets.
So
that's
number
one
number
two
I
mean
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
them
to
do
like
a
very
like
a
very
serious
and
robust
feasibility
study
that
tells
them
what
it
would
cost
to
do,
something
like
a
chattanooga
network
or
a
hillsborough
network
where
you're
you're.
C
Basically,
you
know
we
would
want
to
probably
prioritize
starting
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
or
parts
of
the
county
right
now
that
are
underserved.
That
we
know
are
underserved,
but
you
know,
basically
any
infrastructure
is
being
built
out.
Should
we
plan
to
let
people
subscribe
to
it
and
provide
a
better
service
than
we
have
right
now
through
the
incumbents.
C
So
I
mean
that
that
would
be
we'd
like
to
see
you
know
coming
next.
Is
that
this
this
feasibility
study
actually
shows
what
it
would
take
to
do
that
you
know
so.
So
I
guess
like.
I
don't
know
that.
I
hope
that
answers
the
question,
but
there's
there's
this
kind
of
like
one
first
step.
Second
step
that
I
would
like
you
know,
we
would
like
to
as
an
organization
like
to
see
them
take,
but
I
mean
yeah.
Ideally,
we
would
like
to
see
auntie
create
a
municipal
network.
C
You
know
whether
that
I
mean
that
could
operate.
A
number
of
ways
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
the
county
providing
the
service
directly.
I
think
that
would
be
the
easiest
way
to
do
it
frankly,
rather
than
trying
to
find
a
problem,
you
know
private
part.
The
public-private
partnership,
I
think,
is
very
difficult
and
I
mean
or
doing
a
kind
of
open
access
network
can
also
be
difficult.
C
I
mean
you
can't
I
mean
you
have
to
find
people
that
have
come
on
and
all
that,
but
I
mean
there
are
options
and
I
think
that
some
of
those
things
can
be
studied
in
a
feasibility
study,
but
but
yes,.
A
H
C
I
I
mean
having
an
authority
would
help
them
do
a
lot
of
things
I
mean
they
I
mean
they
can
I
mean
having
the
authority
would
allow
them
to
build
laterals
onto
private
property,
to
continue
to
connect
actual
physical
assets
to
private
property.
I
mean
there's
kind
of
things
they
can't
do
now,
so
if
they
want
to
do
more
of
that,
you
know
and
they
want
to
take
the
burden
off,
I
mean
they
could
potentially
do
that
and
still
use
the
leasing
system,
but
I
mean
you
know
all
these
things.
C
You
know
that
they
can
be
debated.
Obviously
right,
I
honestly
don't
think
it's
necessarily
ideal
like
I
I
for
me
the
reason
I
think
that
the
beauty
of
the
public
network,
like
things
like
you'd,
have
like
like
once
again
looking
at
chattanooga
and
a
host
of
other
networks
or
cities
that
have
already
built
their
own
network
is
that
you
have
a
not-for-profit
provider.
That's
you
know
trying
to
provide
this
as
a
utility
benefit.
C
You
know,
and
I
think
that,
as
you
see
in
a
lot
of
those
networks,
you
know
what's
been
amazing
about
them.
If
you
look
at
some
of
these
networks
are
existing,
you
know,
rather
than
the
cost
going
up
over
time,
like
we've
seen
with
uc
with
verizon
or
at
t
and
comcast,
the
prices
go
down
as
they
as
they
expand
the
network,
because
you
know
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
trying
to
make
a
profit
and
they're
trying
to
cover
the
cost.
C
Yet,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
us,
I
mean
that
once
again
like
if
the
county
wants
to
go
that
path
that
they
could
but
having
the
authority,
yes,
would
help
them
do
a
lot
more
with
the
network
and
potentially
make
it
more
appealing
to
private
entities
if
they
wanted
to
go
a
leasing
route.
Yes,.
A
I
So
tim
thanks
for
your
work
on
this,
it
sounds
like
you're
making
good
progress.
I'll
bet,
you
noticed
that
the
county
entered
into
a
exclusive
lease
for
the
bulk
of
the
dark
fiber
with
jbg
smith,
and
there's
a
couple
aspects
of
that
that
I
wonder
if
they
might
be
an
opportunity
for
your
effort.
The
first
was
the
proceeds
were
associated
with
making
progress
on
the
county's
digital
equity
intentions.
I
You
know
so
there's
3.7
million
dollars
that
it
was
least
sort
of
rhetorically
associated
with
allowing
the
county
to
move
forward
with
a
variety
of
things,
including
digital
equity
and
the
other
is
there's
a
joint
management
agreement
that
would
allow
gbh,
I'm
sorry,
the
the
landlord
and
the
county
to
have
one
manager
of
the
fiber
network
and
the
electronics
that
build
it
out.
C
I
mean
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
there's
no
reason
why
they
can't
I
mean,
like
the
authority,
is
kind
of
a
weird
thing,
because
it's
kind
of
like
this,
you
know
magic
wand,
type
of
function
that
it's
really
just
a
legal
authority
that
the
state
provides
them,
and
so
they
can.
I
mean
they
can
still
work,
separated
out
in
different
ways
and
have
the
authority.
You
know,
basically
just
as
a
separate
entity
that
that
is
doing.
That
kind
of
work
I
mean
just
you
know,
I
mean
the
virginia
law.
C
Also,
you
know,
provides
the
opportunities
for
for
governments
and
localities
to
to
transfer
assets
between
government
entities
without
having
you
know
bids
or
anything
like
that.
So
it
would,
you
know
it
would
allow
them
to
to
move
around
their
assets
that
they
needed
to.
I
mean
you
know
like
like
I
said
I
mean
I
I
when
you
get
to
that
kind
of
higher
level,
that
kind
of
higher
level
kind
of
engineering
and
administrative
decisions.
C
I
mean
that's
kind
of
above
my
comprehension
and
my
competencies,
but
I
mean
I
think
I
think
it
could,
based
on
what
we
see
with
the
way
other
localities
are
using
their
broadband
authorities.
So.
I
I
J
The
the
the
agreement
with
jbg
is
is
only
covering
the
use
of
a
partial
acid,
so
there
is
a
lot
more.
There
are
a
lot
more
fiber
channels
available
for
us.
We
keep
them,
we
manage
them,
and
my
understanding
is
because
we
have
asked
that
all
options
are
feasible
through
the
capacity
that
these,
this
remaining
capacity
would
have
a
the
only
point
where
we
intersect
with
jbg
is:
who
would
maintain?
J
You
know
in
a
rep
in
a
repair.
Something
goes
goes
right
and
we
have
to
to
to
repair.
Then
they
they
have
certain
obligations
to
to
repair.
They
would
have
to
repair
all
the
entirety
of
the
asset
if
they
can't,
if
they
cut
the
cable,
they
will
have
to
repair
it
in
its
entirety,
but
not
only
theoretically
practically
as
well.
J
D
C
C
I
mean
I
mean
I
I
the
thing
is:
is
that
from
what
I
understand
I
mean
like
the
they're.
Only
I
mean
the
the
county
still
has
you
know
over
600
something
strands,
yeah
864.,
so
yeah
total
sorry,
yeah
600.
It
was
600,
something
that
was
available
for
lease
yeah,
it's
even
much
higher
than
that.
So
I
mean
you
know
they
what
they
gave
to
jbg.
I
mean
that's
like
you
know
nothing,
it's
you
know
it's
in.
C
I
mean
as
far
as
far
as
I
tell
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
infrastructure
that's
been
handed
over
to
them,
that
that
seems
pretty.
I
mean
I
mean
there's
just
like
a
ton
of
capacity
left
over
for
that
that
can
be
turned
over
to
the
authority.
I
mean
I,
I
still
advocate
that
they
should
turn
over
everything
to
the
authority,
because
I
mean
just
why
not
I
mean
there's
I
mean
the
authority
has
the
most
ability
to
to
use
the
assets.
C
I
mean
you
I
mean,
like
I
said,
jack
belcher
and
whoever
is
in
charge
of
our
connect.
Arlington
right
now.
You
know,
you
form
the
authority.
Okay.
Jack
now
is
head
of
the
authority.
Nothing's
changed
it's
just.
You
know
it's
just
that.
You
know
you
haven't
even
built
out
or
hired
anybody
new,
it's
just
you're
placing
all
these
assets
on
the
authority.
Instead,
you
know
that's
that's
what
you
know.
That
was
the
advice
that
was
given
to
us
from
the
guy
who
set
up
the
eastern
shore
broadband
authorities.
A
Tim,
you
also
have
a
question
from
phil
in
the
chat
and
then
john
you'll
be
next
when,
if
all
deserving
communities
in
arlington
are
served,
what
level
of
continuing
funding
would
be
required?
I
mean.
C
That
that's
exactly
what
the
feasibility
study
should
be
determining.
It
should
be
determined
what
it
would
cost
to
to
build
out
into
service
and
what
the
operating
costs
will
be
long
term
I
mean
it.
You
know
the
county
is
going
to
have
to
bond
to
build
this
out.
I
mean,
if
it's
going
to
do
anything
substantial
I
mean
I
don't.
C
I
haven't
seen
any
there's
no
public
network
that
exists
out
there
that
hasn't
done
that
it
would
take
with
the
exception
of
ammon,
but
they
had
access
to
legal
tools
that
we
don't
in
virginia.
Unfortunately,
but
so
I
mean,
like
the
feasibility
studies
should
be
determining
cost.
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
much
it
would
cost.
A
I
understand
yeah
thank
you
and
john
next.
Thanks.
G
C
So
I
I
mean
for
what
we've
asked
is
that
that
should
be,
that
should
be
kind
of
determined
in
this.
Coming
up
with
the
criteria
for
rfp
for
feasibility
study,
I
mean
we
need
to
ask
what
questions
you
know
if
we
form
an
authority
and
we're
going
to
look
at
increasing
the
scope
to
the
entire
county,
I
mean
what
you
know:
there's
there's
a
kind
of
questions,
kind
of
need
to
be
hashed
out.
C
I
mean
they're,
they
have
some
strategic.
Well,
I
don't
know
about
strategic
guidance.
I
think
the
majority
of
the
guidance
right
now
is
just
dealing
with
digital
divide
issues,
and
so
I
mean
they
originally
were
supposed
to
do
a
project
with
new
urbana
that
was
supposed
to
be
kind
of
pilot
on
using
cbrs
to
provide
to
provide
a
wireless
internet
access
to
a
few
of
these
committed,
affordable
units
and
by
ahc
before
I
understand,
like
they've,
walked
away
from
from
doing
that,
based
on
some
technology
issues.
C
So
I
I
think
that
you
know
other
than
trying
to
bridge
the
digital
divide.
I
don't
know
that
they
have
a
strategic
plan
that
looks
at
this
as
a
kind
of
community
development
or
economic
development
writ
large
kind
of
project,
but
I
mean
I
obviously
I
think
that
that
should
be
figuring
into
it.
You
know
I
mean
just
the
level
of
services
you
can
get
if
you're
not
like
kind
of
a
carrier
grade,
client,
yeah
and
audition.
C
Isn't
really
that
great
I
mean
if
you
look
at
what
they're
doing
over
in
chattanooga
or
in
hillsborough
the
two
examples
we
have
from
our
broadband
forum.
You
know
like
you
can
go
and
you
can
go
and
get
you
know
one
two,
three
gig
symmetrical
for
small
businesses.
You
know
that
you
didn't
want
it,
and
this
is
pretty
cheap
by
comparison
of
what
you
would
pay
for
it
here.
If
you
can
even
get
it
good.
A
C
A
All
right
any
other,
any
other
questions.
A
All
right
tim
as
always
you're,
oh
jackie,
you
have
one
all
right
final
one
go
ahead.
A
Maybe
maybe
your
your
headpiece,
your
mouthpiece,
put,
that
down
there
we
go.
K
Can
you
hear
me?
No,
we
can't
hear
you
all
right.
So
sorry,
that's
why
I
wear
it.
Yes,
I'm
not
sure
that
I
fully
understand
the
relationship
legally.
I
guess
between
the
authority
and
the
public
space
and
the
private
space,
so
it
it
sounds
to
the
layman.
A
lot
like
this
is
a
public
utility,
that's
being
formed
that
would
basically
potentially
replace
private
providers.
K
Why
is
that
not
what's
hap
what
this
is
or?
Is
that
what
this
is
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
is
as
taxpayers,
what
are
the
differences
in
accountability
for
us
between
the
county,
owning
these
assets
and
managing
these
assets,
and
maybe
it
would
be
our
own
jack
belcher,
but
he
would
managing
an
authority,
but
what's
the
difference
in
accountability
of
the
public,
if
it's
the
authority
taking
the
action
versus
the
county.
C
Yeah
I
mean
it's
a
good
question.
The
essentially
the
way
the
authority
would
work
is
that
the
county
would
be
forming
a
separate
board
to
run
it,
and
I
think
that's,
that's
generally
we're
going
to
be
people
who
are
in
charge
of
it.
I
mean
they.
It
has
a
you
know.
Obviously
it
has
a
kind
of
public
interest.
I
mean
I
mean.
Obviously
some
of
this
would
probably
come
out
in
in
in
whatever
work
goes
into
building
a
charter
for
it.
C
But
I
mean
this
is
a
public
interest
entity,
that's
build
it.
We
would
be
building
out
infrastructure
for
public
interest
as
utility.
Yes,
so
I
mean
in
terms
of
accountability.
C
You
know
the
the
board
will
decide
who
goes
on
it.
I
imagine
one
of
the
board
members
or
somebody
from
the
county
government
maybe
would
be
important
to
the
board,
along
with
other
citizens
who
are
experts
in
various.
You
know
aspects
of
building
out
a
broadband
provider,
so
the
accountability
I
mean
is
is
kind
of
I
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
exactly
the
same,
but
it
it
should
in
in
theory
it
should
be
at
least
responsive
as
a
community
owned
and
community
governed
kind
of
asset.
C
Obviously
I
would
say
that,
in
terms
of
accountability,
it's
going
to
be
magnet
orders
of
magnitude
higher
than
it
is
with
you
know:
investor
earned
corporate
utilities
and
I
think
you'll
have
much
more
opportunity
to
you
know
if
it
you're
being
a
locally
owned
asset,
or
you
know
utility
that
will
have
a
lot
more
opportunity
to
determine
how
it's
operating,
but,
like
I
said
I
mean
I
think
some
of
that
can
be.
C
I
think
you
can
by
by
in
terms
of
how
you
structure
its
charter
and
all
of
its
you
know
kind
of
mandates.
I
think
that
would
really
help
go
a
long
way
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
it
is
accountable.
You
know
there
may
need
to
be
kind
of
subcommittees
or
commissions
that
that
provide
input
at
a
citizen
level.
To
it
I
mean
that
those
are
kind
of
more
in
the
future
questions,
but
I
mean
it's
a
good
one
and
I
don't
have
a.
C
I
don't
have
necessarily
kind
of
a
straightforward
answer
to
it,
but
I
I
think,
like
I
said
I
mean
just
in
terms
of
being
able
to
set
a
charter
that
determines
what
the
thing
is
going
to
be
doing.
I
think
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
determine
the
parameters
of
its
accountability
so.
C
The
first
question
I
mean
it
to
the
degree
that
it
will
displace
the
existing
providers.
I
I
I
mean
that
is
a
question
of
what,
whether
it's
providing
better
service
or
value
or
over
time-
and
I
think
that
you
know
with
all
the
the
public
networks
that
have
been
created
over
time
like
it's
a
it's
a
process,
because
you
know
it
has
to
establish
itself,
they
have
to
you
know,
demonstrate
its.
C
You
know
its
ability
to
essentially
compete,
and
it
really
is
kind
of
a
competitor
that
is
operating
in
the
same
environment,
but
with
different
priorities
and
different
principles.
So
different.
K
C
And
different
funding,
but
I
mean
ultimately
the
goal
is,
for
you
know
the
goal
is
for
all
these
municipal
providers
is
to
reach
a
subscriber
base
that
covers
its
operations,
so.
I
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
a
really
important
question
jackie
and
I
want
to
voice
what
I
think
my
answer
is
so
tim
can
either
correct
it
or
not.
It
will
change
the
basis
for
competition.
The
private
sector
from
right
now,
which
is,
can
I
get
exclusive
access
to
this
group
of
customers
through
my
physical
connectivity
and
therefore
have
very
little
competition
regarding
my
quality
of
service
or
my
accountability
to
anybody,
and
it
will
instead
say
everybody's
on
a
common
playing
field
regarding
access
to
this
dark
fiber.
I
So
the
nature
of
the
competition
would
change
to
more
of
what
I
think
you're.
Looking
for
like.
Can
I
keep
my
customers
happy?
Can
I
keep
the
county
government
happy
with
my
quality
of
delivered
services,
not
with
my
exclusivity
of
connectivity
in
a
certain
geographic
space?
I
C
I
I
mean
I
I
think
what
we've
seen
is
that
the
municipalities
that
have
that
have
formed
successful
public
providers
is
that
they,
what
you'll
see
is
that
the
competitors
will
start
lowering
their
prices,
but
even
then
I
don't
think
they
do
a
very
good
job.
I
mean
like
I
said
I
mean
you,
I
mean
there's
different
ways
to
structure
this
thing
I
mean
you
could
have
an
open
access
network
where
the
county
is
variously
just
doing
just
providing
the
infrastructure
and
then
people
other
companies
are
competing
to
provide
service
over
it.
C
You
know
that
that
could
be
done.
I
mean
you
know
the
some
of
the
people
we've
talked
to
who
usually
do
the
the
consultants
that
usually
do
this
have
said
that
that
network,
you
know
that
type
of
network
is,
you
know,
is,
is
varyingly
successful,
basically,
and
especially
in
terms
of
paying
off
the
assets,
the
county
is
bonding
for
it
and
all
that
it's
much
slower
and
uncertain
in
return,
basically,
because
there's
so
many
more
players
involved
in
it.
So
I
mean
you
know.
C
Ultimately,
I
would
just
say
that,
like
we
need
to
start,
I
we
think
we
start
thinking
of
broadband
or
internet
as
utility
and
right
now
we
only
have
one
water,
that's
coming
into
our
homes.
Right
I
mean
do
we
think
we
should
have.
I
mean
just
it
makes
sense
to
just
have
one
provider
of
some
or
certain
things
that
are
natural
monopolies,
and
you
know
with
something
like
as
important
as
broadband.
I
mean,
I
just
think
it.
C
It
would
be
better
if
there
was
a
non-profit
provider
of
source,
and
that
has
to
be
the
public,
then
then
so
be
it,
but
I
mean
I
have
no
problem
with
them
displacing
the
the
for-profit
I
mean.
Personally
I
mean
it
might
not
be
a
popular
opinion,
but
I
mean
I'm
just
saying
that
they
have
performed
very
poorly
and
they
have
generally
used
their
monopoly
profits
to
lobby
the
government
in
various
ways
to
decrease
the
level
of
service
and
increase
the
cost
of
it.
C
A
Tim,
we
have
two
more
questions,
one
from
phil
and
then
john,
and
then
we
really
do
need
to
to
move
on
to
the
next.
Charles.
You
have
a
question.
Okay,
then
we
really
do
need
that
will
be
the
end.
Phil
phil
asked.
Can
you
say
which
board
members
you
approached
and
what
their
views
were?
C
So
so
so
matt,
takus
and
christian
are
the
people
who
have
unambiguously
told
us
they
support
at
least
doing
a
feasibility
study.
That
would
look
at
this
a
county-wide
scope
and
would
look
at
vibrance
of
the
home
as
the
kind
of
technologies
that's
employed.
C
I
we
have
reached
out
to
katy
katie
crystal
multiple
times.
She
has
not
responded
or
has
basically
not
deferred
and
libby
has
not
ever
responded
to
a
request
to
meet
to
talk
about
it.
So
I
don't
know
whether
that
means
they're
against
it.
I
don't
know,
but
I
can
only
tell
you
that
in
terms
of
the
people
that
we
know
that
are
supportive
of
that,
there's
the
three
sorry.
A
C
J
A
And
then
and
then.
J
Very
smart,
the
appropriation
for
for
doing
the
visibility
study
and
the
and
the
guidance
you
know
the
the
instructions,
the
guidance
to
the
county
manager
to
to
do
that.
It
was
unanimous,
unanimous.
A
G
J
G
A
E
Well,
it
wasn't
really
a
a
question.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
even
within
rl
fiber,
we
have
different
ways
of
presenting
our
argument
and
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
tim
necessarily,
but
I
would
put
the
emphasis
in
different
places
of
with
a
county-owned
and
operated
optical
fiber
network.
We
would
not
necessarily
be
displacing
the
isps
that
are
in
operation
right
now,
at
least
from
my
point
of
view.
I
don't
see
any
reason
why,
if
why,
if
they
want
to
continue
providing
the
service,
they
are
doing
right
now
they
should
be
allowed
to
do
so.
E
There
would
just
be
another
competitor
in
the
market
further
than
that.
Another
possibility
for
the
broadband
authority
to
consider
as
they
set
up
this
municipal
network
would
be
to
allow
the
commercial
isps
to
operate
over
it
under
a
licensing
agreement
with
the
county.
E
A
Have
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
charles
thank
you
and
tim.
Thank
you.
You
have
you've
been
kind
enough
to
brief
us
multiple
times
and
your
passion
has
not
waned,
so
appreciate
you,
you
continuing
to
to
have
people,
look
at
this
issue
and
see
the
best
way
to
particularly
the
the
underserved
in
in
the
county.
So
thank
you
so
much
and
and
we
look
forward
to
you,
keeping
us
keeping
us
posted
and
we
appreciate
you
sharing
the
slides
and
also
the
link.
A
All
right,
john,
you
had
a
comment.
G
Yes,
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
interesting
proposal,
an
interesting
idea.
I
think
the
work
that
rl
fiber
has
done
to
get
the
appropriations
for
the
feasibility
study
is
commendable,
and
I
think
that
the
commissioners
are
very
much
interested
in
understanding
this
further.
What
I
would
recommend
is
that
the
board
would
benefit
from
our
guidance
and
counsel
on
what
aspects
the
feasibility
should
study
should
address.
What
critical
questions
should
be
addressed,
because
the
devil
is
in
the
detail
for
this
kind
of
thing
right,
that's
right!
G
The
the
law
that
allows
us
to
create
this.
This
authority
is
very
vague
in
terms
of
the
requirements
for
it,
so
we're
kind
of
like
you
have
to
appoint
a
board
like
that's
about
it
right
and
beyond
that.
How
the
appointments
happen.
All
of
that
kind
of
stuff
to
jackie's
question
about
accountability
and
transparency.
G
G
I'm
not
volunteering
for
that
position,
because
I'm
tapped
out
at
the
moment.
I
would
be
happy
to
provide
thoughts
to
elite
draft
good
I'd
be
happy
to
make
that
motion.
F
F
A
B
G
I
think
whoever
mary
would
designate
to
lead
the
draft
would
produce
and
solicit
input
from
the
commissioners
as
to
the
factors
and
considerations
that
the
feasibility
study
should,
in
our
wisdom,
address.
That
draft
would
then
be
circulated
back
to
the
commission
for
review
and
comment
and
final
approval
at
a
following
commission
meeting.
Once
we
have
a
consensus.
D
G
A
D
A
Right
because
it's
in
the
piercing
we
actually
asked
the
but
because
asked
the
county
to
make
comment
about
that.
But
right
now,
because
it's
in
procurement,
we
probably
will
not
get
the
the
framing
until
it's
made
public.
I.
G
Think
what
we,
what
we
would
probably
have
access
to,
would
be
the
board
report
and
the
action
that
the
board
took
at
the
meeting
and
the
discussion
and
testimony
on
the
record
regarding
that
board.
Action
to
inform
us
as
the
current
thinking.
That's
right.
A
K
Yes,
I
think
all
of
this
has
provided
someone
step
four
steps
forward
and
is
willing
to
take
this
on,
because
it's
a
substantial
task
and
I'm
not
volunteering
and
then
the
second
thing
is
that
I
think
it's
possible.
This
is
a
significant
enough
topic
so
that
we
might
want
to
solicit
input
from
the
public
about
what
questions
they
would
want
to
see
answered
in
a
feasibility
study.
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
waiting
until
after
the
procurement,
because
the
procurement
is
going
to
have
the
criteria
in
it.
That's
right,
feasibility
study.
A
K
Part
of
the
fees
it
could
be
that
part
of
it.
We
ask
that
part
of
the
feasibility
study
be
that
they
include
seeking
public
information
about
what
criteria
should
be
addressed,
and
maybe
maybe
we
could
do
that,
and
that's
a
very
straightforward,
simple
thing
to
say:
we
want
this
procurement
to
include
information
and
consultation
with
the
public
on
what
what
should
be
covered.
I
I
too
was
laying
back
on
seconding
the
motion
for
fear
of
being
mistaken
for
someone
who
wanted
to
lead
the
effort,
I
believe
frank,
is
absent
tonight.
Am
I
correct.
I
A
To
visit
family
for
thanksgiving,
so
he
is,
he
could
not
be
with
us.
I
Yeah
and
I
bring
I
bring
him
up
only
because
I
know
he
has
a
deep
legal
understanding
of
this
and
it
seems
in
terms
of
the
rfp
stage
of
this.
We
really
need
somebody
from
the
commission
who
can
say
what
is
what's
going
to
be
legally
sufficient
for
the
county,
vis-a-vis
the
state
and
then
in
the
in
the
rfp
itself.
You
could
build
in
public
engagement.
I
You
know
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
in
the
context
of
the
feasibility
study
is
to
go
out
and
collect
information
from
the
public,
so
I
think
we
could
structure
them
that
way.
I
don't
feel
particularly
confident
on
what's
legal,
what's
not
legal
question,
but
I
do
think
in
the
feasibility
study
that
that
would
have
to
be
kind
of
a
threshold
question.
You
know
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
not
just
what
do
we
want
to
do.
A
A
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
we
will
sounds
like
motion
motion
passed
and
it
is
my
job
to
find
the
talent
for
us
to
do
that,
and
we
will
keep
you
posted
in
in
a
december
december
meeting.
A
All
right
mike,
that's
an
old
hand
right,
I'm
assuming.
G
I
would
also
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
provide
my
persistent
reminder
at
every
meeting
that
the
open
meeting
law
does
provide
the
opportunity
to
have
closed
meetings
outside
of
the
public
realm
for
items,
and
I'm
quoting
here,
discussion
or
consideration
of
the
investment
of
public
funds
where
competition
or
bargaining
is
involved,
where,
if
made
publicly
public
initially,
the
financial
interest
of
the
government
governmental
unit
would
be
adversely
affected.
I
think
the
rfp
process
fits
that,
so
I
would
imagine
that
my
fellow
commissioners
stand
at
the
ready
to
have
such
a
closed
meeting.
D
A
A
He
is
literally
in
the
air
flying,
but
we
we
had
a
a
a
conversation
with
you
in
november
any
thoughts
you
want
to
comment
on
this
particular,
but
our
major
conversation
was
about
the
digital
element
and
the
role
of
of
this
commission-
and
you
have
many
times
said
to
us
not
only
verbally
but
also
written
to
us.
Thank
you
very
much
that
our
our
perspective
and
our
our
advice
and
the
questions
we
send.
A
You
are
helpful,
so
I'm
delighted
that
you
could
carve
out
an
evening
to
to
join
us
and
I
open
give
you
defer
and
give
you
some
some
time
to
address
the
the
commissioners.
J
Thank
you
mary
happy
to
be
here.
I
apologize
that
I
couldn't
be
as
many
times
as
I
as
I
would
have
wished
for
for
many
reasons,
there
was
always
conflicts,
and
you
know
it
was
just
a
busy
very
busy
year
behind
us.
I.
J
I
definitely
think
that
I
take
the
I
I
was
observing
the
discussion
and
conferring
you
know
transmitting
to
my
colleagues
the
level
of
discussion
about
the
digital
element,
the
digital
element
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
Right
now,
since
we
we
have
been,
we
have
been
busy
with
arpa
funding
still
with
fighting
the
pandemic,
and
we
haven't
we're
having
geared
for
the
next
budget
discussion
and
the
and
much
less
for
the
next
cip
discussion.
However,
I
think
that
this
is
this
in
between.
J
We
will
find
a
I'm
trying
to
carve
out
to
use
your
your
terminology
to
carve
out
time
and
and
find
the
appropriate
venue
to
discuss
that.
To
me,
there
is
a
significant
discussion
about
data
privacy
about
cyber
security,
about
many
aspects
of
what
this
digital
element
can
be.
It
begins
also
to
dawn
for
other
stakeholders,
for
example.
I
just
I
just
had
long
conversations
about
you,
know,
electrification
of
transportation,
electrification
of
buildings.
J
J
It's
not
any
a
privilege
anymore
or
an
option
or
an
optional
element
of
daily
life.
It
will
be
an
absolutely
the
mere
definition
of
the
utility.
Is
it's
absolutely
necessary
to
live
in
a
place?
You
cannot
live,
you
know.
Well,
theoretically,
you
can,
but
actually
you
can't
live
without
electricity.
You
can't
live
with
without
without
water
and
the
same
in
the
same
way,
we're
approaching
a
point
where
it's
definitely
not
possible
to
live
without
access
to
to
internet
services.
J
So
I
I
have
a
have
long
conversation
spending
with
with
the
department
to
see
where
they
are
and
how
they
think
about
that.
I
definitely
think
that's
worth
pursuing,
I'm
also
talking
to
to
planning
commissioners.
They
you
know
they
they.
They
have
quite
this
way
with
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
we
will
be
it
will
be
in
conversation.
My
goal
is
for
the
next
year,
both
budget
and
cip
sessions,
to
to
at
least
the
response
to
the
commission
and
give
you
the
board's
position
to
this.
J
For
now.
I
don't
think
that
most
of
my
colleagues
have
really
really
understand
or
comprehend
why
this
is
so
fundamentally
important
to
be
added
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
They
kind
of
understand
that,
but
it's
still
fuzzy.
It
needs
to
be
operationalized,
and
you
know
made
made
very
very
clear:
that's
that's
just
the
status
I
I
continue
to
be
committed
to
this.
I
I
really
believe
in
this.
J
I
also
think
that
next
year,
we'll
have
you
know
a
robust
discussion
about
cyber
security
and
data
privacy
with
pilot
in
in
clarendon.
I
think
that
several
questions
will
will
emerge
and
they
will
have
to
be
answered.
I
expect
that
our
staff
will
will
report
to
the
on
this
pilot,
and
there
are
several
questions
coming
from
different
places
in
arlington,
including
this
commission,
including
the
city
federation
and
others.
So
I
I
do
believe
that
we
need
to.
J
We
will
have
to
to
have
a
a
venue
to
answer
these
questions
and
I'm
working
on
this.
When
will
this
happen,
I
my
planning
is
to
turn
on
the
heat
on
that
around
february
march,
right
about
the
moment
that
we
are
looking
at
budgetary
appropriations
for
the
next
year
or
ordinary.
You
know
regular
budget.
J
Thank
you
thank
you
for
for
supporting
us
with
with
so
much
work.
I
made
a
note
here
to
make
sure
that
we
publicize
as
much
as
possible
and
share
the
the
rfp
for
the
for
the
broadband
study,
so
that
you
can
weigh
in.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
to
invite
feedback
at
the
at
the
initial
stage.
A
Been
very
active
in
in
these
issues
so-
and
we
also,
I
know
you-
you
have
already
committed
to
attend
the
privacy
session
that
we'll
sponsor
in
january.
So
thank
you
again,
for
you
know
the
things
that
we're
involved
in
you.
You
were
you're
showing
up
for
so
we
we
really.
We
really
appreciate
the
the
continued
dialogue
and
also
the
action
I
mean
you
are.
A
You
are
figuring
out
what
what
the
best
route
is
and
the
strategy
to
to
get
this
at
the
at
the
center
for
not
just
now,
but
in
the
future
I
mean,
I
think
all
of
us
on
this
commission
really
think
it's
it's
a
critical
element
for
guidance
and,
as
john
continues
to
ask,
what's
the
what's
the
strategic
framework
and
we
it's
not
just
now
it's
for
all
the
things
that
are
going
to
happen
in
the
future
that
we
really,
we
really
believe
in
it.
So
thank
you.
J
J
A
Okay,
all
right
speaking
of
privacy
session,
but
before
we
get
there,
I
I
have
the
date
of
our
meeting
next
month
is
the
22nd
of
december.
A
I
wanted
before
we
stuck
with
that
schedule.
I
just
wanted
a
pulse.
You
know
you
all
have
been
great
at
participating.
We've
had
you
know,
we
haven't
had
quorum
issues
at
all.
I
just
particularly
because
there'll
be
no
guest
speakers.
We're
just
going
to
talk
about
what
the
important
issues
are
that
we
want
to
focus
on.
We'll
also
obviously
have
some
conversations
about
the
privacy
session,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we'd
have
as
near
full
complement
as
we
could.
A
G
B
D
D
Fine,
a
closed
meeting
in
all
or
in
part
or
not
at
all,
or
how
do
you
see
it.
A
We
won't
our
our
discussion
about
the
items
we
want
to
make
sure
we
focus
on
will
not
be
that'll
be
public,
but
if
there's
some
discussion
around
as
john
was
mentioning
that
there
might,
it
might
be
partially
close,
we'll
see
all
right,
we'll
I'll
get
back
to
you
on
that
one,
we'll
we'll
see
if
the
what
the
time
I
do
not
know
what
the
time
frame
is
of
and
we'll
we'll
get
more
updated
on
that
all
right,
so
we'll
go
with
the
22nd,
and
now
we
move
on
to
privacy
session.
A
A
So
I
wanted
to
have
discussion
about.
I
just
sent
out
that
draft,
because
I
I
wanted
to
get
us
started
about
what
the
objective
is
before
I
there
are
we'll
figure
out
who's
going
to
be
on
the
panel
and
things
like
that.
Once
we
we
have
clarity
around
what
we
want
the
objectives
to
be
right,
so
I'll
open
it
up
to
the
floor.
You
all
have
have
seen
the
the
draft
to
get
us
started
about
the
privacy
session.
What's
your
what's
your
sense.
A
I
Yeah,
I
I've
shared
a
little
with
you,
mary,
by
email,
I'm
a
little
afraid
of
the
issue
of
privacy
writ
large
and
how
much
consumers
in
the
country
have
already
displayed
their
dissatisfaction
with
their
general
state
of
privacy.
So
I'm
not
sure
we
can
fix
that
for
people.
So
I'm
interested
in
trying
to
narrow
this
down
and
I'll
say
this
from
a
conversation
with
john
in
the
interim.
Should
the
question
be:
should
arlington
county
employ
the
nist
enterprise
risk
management
framework
of
january
2020
in
its
approach
to
protecting
privacy
for
its
citizens?
I
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
but
that's
a
that's,
not
an
unwieldy
question.
That's
like
a
that's
like
here's,
a
framework,
that's
tried
and
true
elsewhere,
and
and
then
I'm
also
fearful
that
if
we
try
to
use
the
particularities
of
the
clarendon
project,
it's
not
necessarily
representative
of
much
else
going
on
in
the
county.
That
involves
people's
private
information,
and
so
even
if
you
solve
the
problem
for
that
narrow
scope,
which
I
think
is
an
important
thing
to
do,
it
won't
necessarily
say
much
at
all
about
the
bulk
of
data.
I
That's
person
identifiable
that
is
collected
and
and
used
by
the
county.
So
I
would,
I
would
advocate
for
being
being
very
specific
about
what
we're
asking
the
public
to
comment
on,
because
because
I'll
say
going
back
to
my
own
white
paper,
I
kind
of
put
that
in
the
issues
of
now.
I
forget
my
own
word
issues
of
concern.
You
know
ones
that
we
or
you
know
we're
concerned
about
this,
but
we
don't.
I
A
K
Hi,
yes,
I
also
agree
that
we
need
to
have
our
priorities
more
narrowly
focused.
K
I
think,
particularly
following
up
on
the
presentation
that
we
had
at
civ,
fed
on
the
on
the
zone
that
the
area
of
most
interest
right
now
is
what
is
arlington's
privacy
policy
going
to
be,
what
should
it
be,
and
how
can
we
move
that
discussion
along?
So
I
could
see
if
we-
and-
and
that
is
what
civic
federation
is
trying
is
going-
is
working
on
now
as
our
follow-up
to
that
and
we're
trying
to
identify
what
factors
we
would
have
as
priorities
for
including
in
a
privacy
policy.
K
So
I
think
some
way
of
looking
at
best
practice,
privacy
policies
in
other
parts
of
the
country
or
in
virginia
the
nist,
the
current
principles
that
are
being
used
for
the
for
the
demonstration
zone
project
the
five
principles
which
were
the
so-called
draft
arlington
policy.
K
We
could
have
something
that
was
both
narrow
and
and
brought
up
the
broader
questions,
but
in
an
specific
arlington
context,.
A
K
A
Absolutely
absolutely
other
other
comments.
K
K
We
have
two
sid
fed
committees
that
are
working
on
this
now
so
there's
at
least
two
leads
there
and
we're
working
with
our
chairman
of
the
board
to
to
make
sure
we
have
a
joint
project
of
these
two
committees.
So
we
would
have
to
figure
out
some
way
to
fold
that
in
and
probably
would
be
through
our
board
chair
who's.
Also,
our
vice
chair,
nicole,
marlene.
G
If
possible,
mary,
that
might
that
would
be
my
recommendation,
because
we
are
not
tip
we're
not
very
well
practiced
at
putting
on
events
and
producing
an
event.
That
is
a
good
event,
is
no
small
task.
So
I
think
we
could
probably
lean
on
our
on
our
friends
and
neighbors
who
have
done
that
on
a
regular
basis
to
maybe
help
us
with
that.
D
A
Phil
no,
I
I
have
obviously
ideas,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were.
We
were
consistent
and
clear
about
the
scope
and
the
objective
before
we
moved
to
who
could
be
on
the
panel
so
that
so
no,
the
only
thing
that
has
been
discussed
is
the
date.
A
The
27th,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
takas
was
able
to
attend
and
we
thought
it'd
be
best
to
keep
it
as
far
away
from
the
beginning
of
january,
because
people
are
just
getting
back
from
holiday
and
all
those
things.
So
so
the
the
things
that
have
been
determined
you
know
is
it
at
least
the
you
know,
looking
at
the
date
and
now
discussion
around
the
objective
and
then
we'll
then
we'll
move
to
who
who
could
do
it
once
we
figure
out
what
what
the
scope
is.
A
Okay,
great
all
right.
So
how
about
this
for
next
step
that
we,
you
know
we
we
go
back
and
do
some
drafting
redrafting
of
this
and
then
circulate
it,
and
then
we
can
confirm
mike.
I
know
you
have
a
hand
up.
We
we
confirm
at
our
december
meeting
and
then
sid
fed
can
really
make
a
decision
about
whether
they
they
want
to
go
forth
with
what
we,
with
what
we're
proposing.
I
Mike
mary
quickly,
on
the
event
design
thing,
I'm
thinking
that
this
is
not
intended
to
be
presentation
heavy
but
eliciting
from
the
public
heavy.
And
so
you
need
enough
organizational
facilitation
to
pose
the
questions,
but
I
don't
think
we
want
to
be
telling
people
much.
I
think
we
want
to
be
asking
people,
you
know
where
their
values
are
about
this
a
trickier
thing,
a
trickier
thing
than
a
panel
of
talking
heads.
A
We
we
we
do
some
of
us
do
that
in
our
day
job,
so
we
can
do
that,
I'm
pretty
confident
we
can
do
that
and
to
your
point
mike,
I
think
the
part
of
the
objective
of
this
is
to
get
a
pulse
of
the
community
right
to
present
a
framework,
and
then
I
get
a
pulse
of
the
community,
because
these
are
important
questions
right
and
maybe
maybe
it's
not
something
that
people
have
at
the
first
on
their
agenda
that
they
expect
from
a
county.
K
Yeah,
I
do
think
I
agree
focusing
on
the
public's
perspective
and
and
how
that
gets.
Operationalized
is
really
a
main
task
that
that
that
this
group
could
could
take
on
and
one
of
the
things
the
public
needs
is
yes,
you're
right,
there's
sort
of
nationally
this,
both
angst
and
anger
over.
Where
is
privacy,
people
don't
exactly
know
and
they're
they're
worried
about
it,
but
they
don't
know
whether
they're
you
know
which
end
they
don't
even
know,
sometimes
which
end
of
the
spectrum
their
opinion
is
on.
K
So,
but
I
do
think
one
of
the
things
that
the
public
needs
to
help
elicit
this
is
perhaps
a
met,
a
menu
of
considerations
so
that
they
can
identify
what
considerations
are
most
important
to
them.
I
don't
think
on
a
sort
of
cold
call
basis,
the
public
could
come
up
with
their
top
five
criteria.
So
that's
where
the
nist
and
the
profile
and
tools
like
it.
K
If
we
convert
them
to
layman's
language
as
options,
we
can
actually
throw
them
out
and
say
here's
five
things
that
are
identified,
you
know
and
as
the
areas
for
nist
or
here's
five
things
that
arlington's
come
up
with
and
you
know
kind
of
which
ones
should
we
talk
about
first
or
what
are
the
first
top
three.
We
talk
about
or
whatever.
A
And
to
to
to
your
point,
this
really
is
the
beginning
of
the
conversation
right,
I
think
that's
our
goal
is
that
this
this
will
be.
This
won't
be
the
only
session,
I'm
sure
that
happens
in
the
county.
I
mean,
I
think
this.
We
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
the
fore
and
and
make
sure
that
people
had
an
opportunity
to
to
have
some
framework
and
then
really
have
a
pulse
and
discussion,
but
yeah
definitely
definitely.
K
D
Do
you
think
it
might
be
interesting
to
have
someone
from
the
county
present
what
was
done
and
what
was
supposed
to
be
done
in
connection
with
the
the
so-called
clarendon
pilot
and
get
a
sense
of
whether
people
think
that
was
a
great
idea,
whether
we
should
do
a
lot
more
or
whether
we
should
not
do
anything
more
along
that
line
at
all.
K
Are
you?
May
I
try
a
try
at
that
and
john
can
help
me
what
we
did
was
identified,
that
what
we
had
were
not
was
not
policy.
That
was
the
first
step
that
we
took
is
that
we
had
documents
that
were
written,
saying,
arlington
privacy
policy
says
here
are
the
five
points,
and
we
said
when
was
that
adopted
and
it
was
determined?
No,
it
hadn't
been
adopted.
K
K
The
nist
is
there's
a
distinct
difference
between
our
answers
to
questions
at
the
project
level
and
at
the
county
level,
namely
we
as
a
com,
as
a
committee,
can
give
the
answers
to
the
profile
questions
on
a
project
level,
whereas
we
are
not
in
a
position
to
answer
those
questions,
I
would
say
to
any
degree
at
all
with
respect
to
the
county
so
for
most
of
the
profile.
K
We
even
though
we're
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
it,
we're
not
in
a
position
to
even
begin
to
do
a
profile
on
on
what
is
right
now,
county
policy
or
operational
policy.
G
Yeah-
and
I
would
second
everything
that
jackie
said
an
ad-
that
I
think
the
privacy
aspects
of
the
clarendon
demonstration
project
are
the
strongest
aspects
of
the
project
and
the
other
questions
about
why
this
use
case,
why
this
location?
Why
this
technology,
I
think.
B
G
Might
lead
us
down
a
rabbit
hole
that
takes
us
off
course,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
it's
it's
a
good
kind
of
archetype
to
hold
up
for
inspection.
G
For
those
reasons,
I
think
some
of
the
learnings
that
have
come
out
of
that.
Maybe
we
can
get
someone
from
the
county
to
talk
about
where
we're
at,
but
I
think
it's
clear
to
jackie
and
I
that
that
there
is
very
good
intentions
and
very
hard-working
people
who
want
to
do
the
right
thing
and
it
is
the
overall
program
inside
the
government
is
nascent
at
this
point.
K
And
the
other
exciting
thing
I
just
need
to
mention
is
we:
we
talk
about
privacy
and
then
john
listed
a
a
list
of
other
questions
in
areas
that
are
are
not
our
purview
but
are
also
equally
important.
Questions
which
we've
also
been
asking-
and
I
would
say
the
exciting
thing
I
think,
is
that
those
questions
are
the
digital
element.
Questions
right,
that's
what
they
are.
K
Those
are
the
questions
where
you
and
that
we're
trying
to
address
that
and
sif,
and
I
don't
know
if
we'll
really
get
to
it
or
not,
and
that
is
what
are
the
criteria
you
use
for,
making
decisions
to
go
forward
with
new
technologies,
particularly
those
that
involve
data
collection
and
those
are
the
digital
questions
and
those
should
be
part
of
the
digital
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
you
would
have
a
framework
for
answering
those
questions
when
you
have
something
new
coming
along.
Is
it
you
know?
K
I
Mike
I
I
find
this
conversation
very
encouraging,
and
so
I
would
say
to
boil
it
down
to
the
event
design.
So,
whatever
background
information
is
presented
before
we
begin
to
elicit
the
public's
point
of
view,
I
think
would
be
about
the
background
of
privacy
policy
in
arlington
county,
not
about
the
particular
any
particular
project.
But
then
I
think
we
very
much.
I
I
would
love
if
we
came
out
of
it
saying
and
if
you
don't
have
a
process
for
screening
in
and
out
it
projects
in
which
you
can
insert
this
privacy
test,
then
what
good
is
a
privacy
policy,
because
because
we
need
to
hang
this
privacy
policy
on
some
pre-investment
screening
process,
where
somebody
gets
to
say
yes
and
somebody
gets
to
say
no
or
somebody
gets
to
say,
go
back
and
improve
the
privacy
part
of
it.
But
this
cannot
stand
on
its
own.
This
needs
to
be
in
a
process
that
has
business
sense
to
it.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
I
think
I
certainly
thank
you
and
I
and
if
there
are
any
other
comments,
observations
as
you're
thinking
about
this
between
now
and
our
december
meeting,
let
me
know
and
we'll
we'll
make
sure
and
get
a
draft
out
to
you.
So
you
can
so
you
can
comment
and
get
a
sense
before
we
get
to
december,
because
we'll
start
advertising
it
the
beginning
of
january,
because
holiday
it'll
just
get
lost,
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
as
many
people
as
we
can.
A
Okay,
the
next
one-
and
I
I'm
I'm
mindful
that
we
we're
we
have
four
more
minutes
but
mike
had
sent
last
at
our
last.
Just
before
our
last
meeting
a
motion
about
commenting-
and
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
that-
this
is
what
we
do
traditionally
anyway,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
and
have
it
in
front
of
you
all
so
that
we
could
make
the
you
know
whether
you
you
want
to
declare
this
is
this
is
our
operating.
A
I
I
would,
however,
be
interested
in
to
what
extent
we
wish
to
offer
opinions
specifically
about
the
dark,
fiber
lease
I
mean
in
the
other
two
instances.
We
did
go
ahead
and
offered
an
opinion,
even
though
it
seemed
after
the
fact,
and
so
so
the
question
I'd
leave
on
the
table.
I
Not
as
a
motion
is,
do
we
want
to
say
that
we
would
have
liked
the
opportunity
during
what
I
would
calculate
to
be
at
least
the
seven
months
between
in
2020,
the
county
received
the
unsolicited
proposal
and
the
july
meeting,
where
the
board
took
action
on
it.
We
could
have
done
a
closed
session
with
you
know,
confidentiality
agreements
or
whatever.
So
I
can
withdraw
the
whole
motion,
but
I'm
still
curious
about
how
much
energy
there
is
within
our
group
to
opine
about
the
quality
of
the
century-long
fixed
price,
dark,
fiber,
lease.
A
Mike,
are
you
just
clear
clarifying
question
before
I
open
it
up?
Are
you
commenting
not
only
on
the
process,
but
also
the
commenting
on
quote
unquote
the
deal
I.
I
Think
the
two
go
hand
in
hand.
I
mean
the
process
thing
for
absolute
sure
and
I
would
say
in
some
cases
I
don't
think
I
know
enough
about
the
thing
to
be
firmly
afford
or
against
it,
I'm
kind
of
against
it
because,
generally
my
35
years
of
experience,
unsolicited
proposals
often
lack
a
certain
balance
and
you
really
need
to
be.
I
F
I
did
just
you
know.
I
was
part
of
that
when
the
meeting-
and
I
guess
a
guy
from
the
economic
development
authority
spoke-
and
you
know
the
members
of
the
commission
had
great
input
and
they
seemed
to
be
different,
different
opinions
and
when
mike
started
talking
about
the
99
year,
lease
and
concerned
about
that,
I
was
like.
I
was
all
on
board
and
when
jonathan
talked
about,
you
know
really
that's
kind
of
industry,
understandable
in
the
industry,
and
he
was
on
the
broadband
commission.
F
I
thought
that
was
real
positive,
so
just
the
dynamics
of
of
you
know,
the
diversity
of
opinions
is
great.
It'd
be
great.
To
come,
become
some
kind
of
consensus.
It
looked
like
we
were
battling
internally.
Almost
you
know.
Instead
of
having
a
consensus
about
the
commission's
opinion.
That's
all
you
know
just
great
everyone's
thoughtful
and
input,
but
it's
it's
just
seemed
like
you
know,
there's
a
lot
somehow
to
get
to
that
point.
You
know
everyone
had
good
opinions
and
I
was
I
was
rooting
for
mike
at
first
and
then
jonathan's
ideas
were
really
important
too.
F
A
G
John,
I
would
say
I'd
be
very
interested
to
see
a
considered
draft
of
the
type
of
opinion
that
kevin
describes.
This
is
out
of
my
space
a
little
bit,
but
I
would
be
very
interested
in
seeing
it
and
providing
comment
feedback
and
either
supporting
a
consensus,
draft
or
or
providing
feedback.
So
I
have
energy
for
that.
I
do
not
have
energy
to
go.
Do
the
research
to
have
an
informed
opinion
in
advance.
I
A
B
A
Yeah,
so
that's
something
that
we'll
have,
let's:
let's
have
some
of
that
conversation
and
we'll
put
that
on
the
on
the
agenda
mic
for
next
for
december,
any
other
any
other
comments
or
thoughts
about
that,
and
thank
you
mike
for
you
you've
now
endeared
yourself,
probably
to
all
commissioners
for
for
keeping
us
to
to
time.
I
have
one
just
just
one
note.
A
As
soon
as
I
I
get
the
information
about
budget,
I
will
pass
it
on
because
we
will
have
an
opportunity
they're
having
the
county
manager
is
sponsoring
it.
It's
only
for
commission
chairs,
but
we
can
send
in
questions
ahead
of
time.
So
I
really
would
like
the
benefit
of
this
group,
but
I
haven't
received
any
information.
Yet
I'm
gonna
go
and
see
if
there's
the
public,
what
publicly
has
been
shared
with
the
board
to
make
sure
I'm
up
to
speed,
and
that
is
scheduled
for
the
first
of
jackie.
Do
you
have
a
question.
K
We
were
notified,
I
believe,
both
john
and
I
notified
you
that
the
there's
going
to
be
an
update
to
the
non-disclosure
agreement
that
anyone
handling
arlington
data
needs
to
sign,
including
the
partners
to
the
clarendon
project,
and
it
was
on
for
consent,
and
we
recommended
that
it
be
taken
off
consent
in
part
so
that
it
could
go
to
the
two
commissions
for
them
to
take
a
look
to
see
if
they
thought
there
was
anything
substantive
they're
saying
it's
not
really
a
substantive
change,
but
it
applies
to
everybody,
not
just
this
project,
and
so
we
would
hope
that
we
could
at
least
get
a
copy,
maybe
circulate
it.
K
It's
going
to
be
voted
on
december,
so
it'll
be
before
our
next
meeting.
Maybe
we
could
just
circulate
it
so
that
people
are
informed
and
if
there's
something
really
alarming,
we
could
say
gee.
We
need
to
write
about
this,
but
just
because
they,
I
believe,
went
ahead
and
followed
our
request
so
that
we
could
look
at
it
before
it
was
voted
on.
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
they're
yeah,
that
is,
that
is
an
ongoing
conversation.
We
have
requested
a
copy
of
it,
be
the
one
that's
on
the
consent
agenda
and
we
will
we'll
keep
you
posted
on
that
one.
But
thank
you
thank
thank
you
and
john
for
flying.
A
We
have
reached
out
and.
G
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
jackie
made
the
important
point
that
if
you
put
it
on
the
consent
agenda,
almost
no
one
sees
it,
but
this
is
actually
a
very
good
thing
that
should
be
publicized
and
maybe
more
appropriate
for
the
the
an
informational
item
in
the
manager's
briefing
before
the
regular
agenda.
So
you
know
again.
F
A
And
your
understanding
is,
it
was
an
a
a
template
for
an
nda.
K
B
K
G
K
And
this
kind
of
data
sharing
with
universities
is
obviously
com
will
be
more
and
more
common.
So
so
we
thought
it
was
something
that
both
committees
would
want
to
at
least
look
at
to
see
what
it
is
we
have
going
forward
and
anyway,
just
just
because
they
did
it
and
we
asked
we
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
recognized.
K
A
Wonderful
good
well,
thank
you
all.
Well,
once
again,
thank
you.
We
we
covered
the
waterfront
and
you
noticed
there
was
a
couple
of
announcements.
Jack
belcher
is
now
named
chief
technology,
innovation
officer
and
in
addition
to
his
cio
duties,
and
we
we
have
some
applications
for
for
commissioner,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
report
and
finally
happy
thanksgiving
to
everybody.
We
hope
frank
since
his
happy
thanksgiving
as
well.
I
will
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
I
apologize
for
our
late,
but
this
has
been.
A
D
F
A
Anyone
anyone
opposing
all
right
all
right.
Well,
I
will
see
you
in
december,
but
you'll
you'll
get
emails
from
us
before
then
all
right
thanks,
everybody
thank.