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A
Mayor
of
the
commission,
back
after
Exile
on
vacation,
let's
get
started.
A
B
A
Okay
and
I
think
we
may
have
a
couple
show
up
later,
but
that's
we
have
for
now.
So
let's
get
right
into
it.
I
think
we've
got
we'll
start
off
with
the
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
March.
A
Oh
yeah.
Thank
you.
Matt
is
anyone
else
virtual
besides
Matt
right
now,
I
believe
I'm,
the
only
one
currently
thanks
thanks
Emily
for
that,
let's
go
straight
to
approval
of
the
March
meeting
minutes
any
comments
or
changes
from
commissioners.
B
A
Thanks,
second,
any
opposed
okay
hearing
none.
The
motion
is.
A
A
Okay
and
let's
go
to
public
comments,
is
there
anyone's
I,
don't
think?
There's
anyone
signed
up
right,
Rhoda,
yeah,
we'll
just
pause
for
a
minute
or
two.
If
you'd
like
to
submit
some
public
comments,
then
please
either
raise
your
hand
or
or
speak
now.
A
Okay,
well
hearing
on
I
think
we
are
starting
with
the
budget
presentation
practice.
A
So
Marie
take
the
floor.
C
So
hopefully
you
can
see
that
we
can.
We
can
yep,
okay,
great.
Let's
try
to
get
this
going
there.
We
go
so
hi
everyone,
I
am
Marie
Randall
I
am
the
finance
supervisor
for
the
housing
division.
I'm
joining
me
in
the
middle
of
the
budget.
We're
in
the
middle
of
the
presentations
will
be
Nicole
Doula
with
DHS
and
I
also
hope
that
you
were
able
to
have
a
little
preview
and
watch
the
video
from
the
budget
hearing
that
was
held.
I
don't
know
about
a
month
ago.
C
C
So
this
first
slide
it
shows
basically
what
the
fy24
budget
emphasizes,
which
is
stabilizing
households
in
Arlington.
So
this
is
a
sort
of
a
combined
slide
or
it
is
a
combined
slide.
Housing
grants
at
14.4
million
eviction
prevention
at
3.6
million
permanent
Supportive
Housing
at
5.4
million
housing,
Choice
vouchers
at
24.2
million
and
those
are
all
Nicole
go
over
those
a
lot
more
in
her
part
of
the
presentation.
C
And
then
we
have
the
dedication
of
the
Columbia
Pike
Tif
balances,
which
is
about
3.8
million
right
now,
as
well
as
ongoing
funding
for
preservation
of
the
affordable
units
at
Barcroft
and
for
inspections.
We
have
contracted
an
external
partner
to
increase
our
capacity
to
provide
housing,
quality
standard
inspections
to
our
CAF
units.
D
So
I'm
curious
hi.
This
is
Crystal
Bush
yeah.
D
So
with
the
eviction
prevention
dollars,
you
know
3.6
million,
but
3
million
of
that
is
one-time
funding.
So
is
the
thought
that
by
next
year,
like
600,
000
is
sort
of
Baseline
where
funding
is
going
to
return
next
year
or
it's
or
you're
sort
of
waiting
to
see
where
eviction
needs
are
I'm
just
sort
of
curious
about
what
direction
I
might
go
in
future
years.
E
Yeah
and
it
might
be
helpful
since
we've
kind
of
got
a
natural
break
point
from
planning
and
DHS
I
can
address
that
when
we
get
to
the
DHS
section
presentation
is
that
okay,
because
I
got
a
slide
for
you
on
that
one
also,
my
founder,
Chris
I
will
not.
A
B
C
Yeah,
so
currently
we
are
in
the
process
we
have
contracted
with
a
third
party.
We
also
have
a
an
application
that
helps
this
process
tremendously.
So
before
basically,
APS
gets
out
in
June.
Our
goal
is
to
do
2,
000
inspections
and
any
re
inspections
that
need
to
happen.
C
We
have
you
know
one
staff
person
basically
dedicated
to
managing
that
process
right
now.
Things
are
going
pretty
well,
so
that's
our
expectation
and
we
would
have
those
you
know.
We
would
know
how
things
are
going.
Probably
in
another
I,
don't
know
two
or
three
weeks
we
just
got
going
and
we
we
stopped
during
spring
break
because
kids
were
home
and
just
not
to
be.
You
know
super
intrusive.
A
Where
does
that
2000
number
come
from?
Is
that
something
the
county
studied.
B
C
So
we
traditionally
we've
only
been
able
to
do
about
like
five
ish
percent
of
our
of
our
overall
portfolio
and
our
portfolio
has
expanded
dramatically
so
with
just
you
know,
with
everything
that's
happened
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
We
were
thinking.
You
know
we
really
want
to
try
to
get
to
like
a
20
Mark,
it's
not
quite
there
and
do
that
on
an
annual
basis.
C
Now
granted
we
are
like
our
goal
is
to
do
them
in
the
fall
and
the
spring,
so
we
will
be
doing
more
in
the
fall
we
just
sort
of
have
to
see.
You
know
where
things
shake
out
a
little
bit.
If
other
properties,
you
know
sort
of
rise
to
the
top
of
of
you
know,
we
we're
hearing
a
lot
and
want
and
need
to
be
inspected,
but
we
we
chose
properties
that
haven't
been
inspected
in
a
while,
or
you
know,
relatively
older.
C
C
Okay,
so
we
recognize
that
there
are
three
sort
of
important
parts
of
affordable
housing
in
Arlington,
so
calves,
which
are
secured
by
housing
and
cphd,
and
the
ahif
dollars
that
help
us
increase
that
Supply.
C
We
also
there
are
Grant
subsidies
and
those
are
you
know
things
such
as
our
housing,
Choice
vouchers
and
our
housing
grants
again,
which
will
Nicole
go
over
and
support
services.
Those
also
are
mainly
through
DHS
case
management,
Supportive
Housing
and
again
we
we
believe
these
are
the
three
you
know
very
integral
parts
to
making
our
affordable
housing
successful.
C
C
We
are,
our
ahif
is
used
as
for
residual
receipt
or
cash
flow
loans,
which
means
that
after
the
property
goes
through
their
audits
and
they
figure
out
how
much
cash
flow
they
have
at
the
end
of
their
fiscal
year,
they
go
through
a
waterfall
which
is
worked
out
with
all
the
loan
documents
and
with
all
the
partners
in
the
deal,
and
then
the
county
typically
gets
a
split
of
that
we
typically
get
50.
Sometimes
it's
lower,
depending
on
you
know,
if
they're
serving
lower
income
folks
or
something
like
that.
C
But
that's
that's
how
it's
used
so
at
this
point.
At
this
time,
the
County
Board
has
approved
over
120
loans,
with
approximately
457
million
dollars
have
been,
or
a
million
dollars
in
ahif
have
been
allocated.
We've
received
approximately
150
million
and
Loan
repayments
so
far
and
payoffs,
which
also
happens
like
if
a
project
will
redevelop
they'll
pay
off
their
old
loans
and
then
go
to
Redevelopment.
C
So,
just
to
explain
that
number,
a
little
bit
43
of
our
loans
have
been
paid
in
full
and
the
fy24
recommendation
is
to
receive
9.7
million
in
ongoing
funds
for
ahif.
C
Okay,
so
as
we
discussed
a
little
bit
before
and
how
we're
you
know
trying
to
how
we're
trying
to
figure
out,
you
know
our
inspection
sort
of
amount
that
we
want
to
do
our
calf
portfolio,
Grew
From,
approximately
8,
600
86.50,
to
over
11
000
between
FY,
20
and
fy22.
C
Obviously,
a
huge
part
of
that
was
bar
cropped
and
then
the
number
of
our
casts
that
serve
are
less
than
30
percent.
Even
though
small
it.
You
know,
those
also
have
doubled.
So
that's
good
news
as
well,
and
then
this
is
also
where
we
have
increased
our
cap
inspections
from
about
five
percent
of
our
portfolio,
to
you
know
we're
hoping
over
20
of
the
portfolio
between
FY,
21
and
fy23.
So
those
were
our
accomplishments.
This
year.
C
So
a
little
bit
on
bar
Croft,
so
in
FY
22,
the
county
got
a
line
of
credit
for
150
million
dollars
that
supported
the
purchase
of
Barcroft
Apartments.
It
was
one
of
the
sources
for
that
and
that
was
that
allowed
us
to
preserve
1
334,
one
two
bedroom
and
three
bedroom
units.
C
The
county
is
working
with
jire
Lynch
on
a
master
financing
and
development
plan
for
the
property.
It'll
take
many
many
years,
it'll
be
in
sections,
so
they're
they're
working
through
all
of
that,
but
it's
very
exciting
in
fy24,
The
Debt
Service,
on
150
million
on
the
line
of
credit,
is
projected
to
be
about
7.8
million.
This
will
be
offset
by
1.5
million,
that's
expected
from
dryer
Lynch,
that's
part
of
the
the
loan
requirements
and
it's
it's.
It
was
first
calculated
being
one
percent
of
the
interest
on
the
loan.
C
Obviously
things
have
changed
dramatically
since
that
happened,
so
we'll
have
a
net
expense
of
about
6.3
million
that
we'll
have
to
cover
that
will
not
be
coming
from
dryer
Lynch
in
the
next
couple
of
years,
and
that
debt
service
is
anticipated
to
increase
in
our
out
years.
So
we're
working
on
that
just.
F
Out
of
curiosity,
the
the
line
of
credit,
the
accounting
line
of
credit,
I
assume
that
was
floating
rate,
but
the
rate
you
turned
around
and
gave
to
Gerald
Lynch
was
fixed
rate.
Is
that
correct.
C
C
A
I'll
just
pause
it
and
I'll.
Let
the
record
reflect
it.
Commissioner
Whitaker
has
joined
us
and
I
believe
virtually
that
that
Kristen
Clegg
has
also
joined
us.
D
Do
you
hi
this
is
have.
B
D
Done
any
modeling
as
to
what
Beyond
2024,
what
the
debt
service
costs
could
complete
or
increase
to
given
interest
rates.
Rising
I'll
bet
kidding.
Okay,.
C
No,
no
I
and
I'm,
not
necessarily
In
The
Weeds
on
that,
but
we've
modeled
it
for
a
couple
years.
It
goes
up
by
like
maybe
to
like
8.3
8.4
for
the
next
couple
of
years.
It'll
you
know
it's,
it
is
a
variable
interest
rate,
so
you
know
we're
tied
to
that.
The
good
news
is
interest
rates.
Aren't
you
know
Rising
dramatically
like
they
were
so
the
other
part
of
that
is
with
this
Redevelopment
plan.
C
You
know
they're,
looking
at
how
to
sort
of
you
know
sort
of
settle
some
of
that
debt.
You
know
how
to
how
to
pay
that
off.
How
for
the
you
know
as
they
take
pieces
and
Parcels
like
how
to
you
know,
basically
pay
down
the
line
of
credit
with
the
the
new
financing
tool.
So
we'll
see
what
happens
there.
I
know
I
believe
the
first
renovation
plan
is
more
of
a
smaller
one
or
it's
it
might
be
Renovations
or
I,
don't
think
it's
Redevelopment,
but
then
they
will.
C
You
know,
try
to
figure
out
what
to
do
and
and
how
to
finance
the
whole
thing.
So
you
know
there
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
that
and
just
seeing
what
they
can
do
with
the
line
of
credit,
because,
obviously
you
know
it
would.
We
would
rather
not
have
that
big
that
big
payment
so
they're
looking
into
it.
C
Hey
so
the
Columbia
Pike
Tiff.
This
is
this-
is
a
new
source
for
us.
I
shouldn't
say
that
it's
not
a
news
source
for
us,
but
this
how
they're
you
know
we
are
using
it
is,
is
a
little
bit
different,
so
it
was
established
in
2013
to
help
Finance,
affordable
housing
initiatives
that
support
Columbia
Pike
neighborhoods
area
plan.
C
It
has
generated
about
4.
million
in
Revenue
so
far
and
has
assisted
three
housing
projects.
To
date,
those
are
Gillian
Place,
Arlington,
View,
Terrace
East,
and
there
was
some
technology
or
some
funds
for
technology
at
Arlington
Mill
through
this,
and
we
have
about
or
in
those
three
projects
we
used
about
1.5
million
dollars
so
for
fy24.
The
county
manager
recommends
that
the
current
tip
balance,
plus
any
Revenue
can
collected
in
FY
24
be
used
to
support
the
bar
Croft
debt.
C
So
we
are
anticipating
that
the
existing
FY
24
balance
is
about
3.8
million.
We
are
projecting
about
1.4
million
dollars
in
Revenue
in
fy24,
so
we're
anticipating
about
5.3
million
for
fy24
from
this
source
of
funds.
So
we
were
always
able
to
to
access
these
funds.
This
is
just
sort
of
a
different
way
of
how
we
are
accessing
These
funds
or
what
they're
being
used
for.
D
Hi
question
yep:
if
the
interest
rates
had
not
ballooned
was
this
very
increased?
Was
this
always
a
plan
or
to
redirect
the
Columbia
Pike
funds
to
finance
Barbara?
That.
C
Service,
so
staff
had
always
been
you
know,
thinking
this
was
a
great
source
and
how
and
to
be
used
for
Barcroft,
but
to
you
know
how
to
use
it
was.
You
know,
always
going
to
be
a
discussion,
so
you
know
if
it
presented
itself
to
be.
You
know
utilized
this
way,
so
you
know
we'll
see
it's
not
generating
like
a
huge
amount
of
funds.
You
know
like
to
be
able
to
be
a
main
source
right
now,
but
you
know
everything
helps.
G
C
So
I
have
to
say,
like
they
are
doing
a
lot
of
modeling
with
the
Redevelopment,
and
so
they
are
looking
at
many
many
different
ways.
As
you
said
the
develop
you
know
all
developers
like
you
know
to
have
very
concrete
information,
and
it
also,
you
know,
will
affect
the
you
know
the
different
affordability
levels
that
you
know
that
can
happen
there
so
I
in
the
future.
You
know
your
guess
is
as
good
as
mine
as
to
whether
they
would
float
our
rate
we've.
We
typically
do
not
have
floating
rates.
C
C
You
know
when
a
new
opportunity
like
this
comes,
you
know
which
I
don't
know
if
it'll,
if
it'll
ever
happen,
and
it's
specifically
something
this
big,
they
will,
you
know,
try
to
figure
out.
What's
you
know,
what's
best
for
the
county,
the
residents
you
know
and
all
the
above
yeah.
G
C
So
yeah
and
there's
been
other
line
of
credits.
You
know
in
the
past,
so
you
know
that
this
is.
You
know,
definitely
where
our
department
of
management
and
finance
comes
in
and
does
a
lot
of
gives
us.
You
know
their
Partners
in
this.
You
know
we're
not
necessarily
running
the
show,
so
they
they
are
walking
hand
in
hand
with
us
too,
to
figure
this
all
out,
but
yeah
once
once,
the
master,
finance
and
development
plan
is
available.
I
think
that'll
start
clarifying.
How
some
of
this
you
know
will
work.
D
No
more
interest
rates
but
I'm
curious.
What
what
form
did
the
assistance
for
the
three
housing
projects
that
you
did?
Utilize
Tiff
funds
was
what
form
did
that
come
in?
Was
it
loans
grants
I'm,
just
curious.
C
All
right
so
I
know
yeah,
no
I
know
the
only
one
I
don't
really
know
well
is
Gilliam
play
or
the
technology
at
Arlington
Mill
for
both
Gillian
place
and
ABT.
They
were
just.
They
were
part
of
the
the
loan
package
that
that
the
county
provided,
so
they
were
just
extra.
They
were
another
source
to
help
us
out.
C
Okay,
any
other
questions
I
can
move
on.
Okay,
there
we
go
so
this
is
basically
what
our
and
I'm
sorry
I
gotta
know
about
this.
There
we
go.
What
are
sources
and
and
uses
look
like
for
fy24.
There
is
the
ahif
which
is
ahif,
ongoing
and
federal
home
funds,
which
have
always
been
sort
of
partnered
together
for
about
9.7
million.
There's
the
Columbia
Pike
Tiff
for
about
5.3
million,
we're
anticipating
loan
repayments
and
payoffs
at
about
3.6
million
developer
contributions.
C
So
you
know
all
the
site
plans
that
are
going
through
and
they're
at
obviously
very
different
stages,
but
we're
anticipating
about
3.2
million
next
year,
and
then
our
federal
cwg
dollars
that
go
into
housing
is
about
500
000.
So
our
our
sources
are
about
22.3
million
all
in
for
next
year
and
then
basically,
what
we
know
right
now
is
our
Barcroft
Debt
Service
and
our
BB3
Debt
Service,
for
about
a
total
of
9.8
million,
which
leaves
us
with
about
12.5
to
utilize
for
other
projects
or
or
other
uses.
H
C
And
this
is
our
last
housing
slide
or
housing
division
slide.
So
obviously,
continued
inspections
and
property
support
are
a
big
part
of
what
we
are
concentrating
on.
So
we
continue
to
monitor
archive
properties
through
both
physical
and
financial
inspections.
C
In
FY
23,
we
received
150
000
in
general
funds
and
50
000
arpa
funds
that
were
appropriated
to
increase
our
property
inspections
capacity.
We
have
hired
a
third
party
firm
again
and
we
are
working
hard
to
get
2
000
units
done
before
kids
get
out
of
school
and
it's
going
well,
it's
it's
just
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
then
for
fy24
housing
is
going
to
continue
to
work
with
the
county
manager
to
continue
to
get
financial
support
for
this
work.
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
on
the
budget
for
this.
D
During
the
during
the
County
Board
work
session
on
this
portion
of
the
budget,
it
sounded
like
the
county
manager.
I
asked
I
think
both
I
and
the
chair
of
the
Housing
Commission
asked
questions
around
the
2024
by
funds
for
inspections,
because
it's
a
little
seems.
D
D
C
I
I
haven't
received
any
you
know
specific
numbers,
but,
as
you
said,
the
county
manager
has,
you
know
basically
said
he's
going
to
work
with
us
to.
You
know,
keep
these
inspections
going
at
a
you
know
a
substantial
portion
of
the
portfolio,
so
you
know
we're
continuing
to
work
with
him
and
and
we'll
see
how
that
plays
out.
But
you
know
we're
confident
that
you
know
he's
extremely
supportive
of
this
and
and
so
we'll
see
what
happens
in
the
final
budget
documents.
A
Three
does:
does
the
county
generate
a
you
know
like
an
annual
inspection
report,
summarizing
what's
been
done
over
the
prior
year.
C
So
we
don't
have
a
comprehensive
one,
it's
very
property
specific,
be
so
there's
there's
a
couple
hindrances
to
something
like
that.
One
is
it's
like
you
know
some
of
the
the
repairs
that
need
to
happen
if
they're
life
and
safety
they
have
to
happen
in
24
hours.
So
there's
like
this.
This
really
quick
timing
that
needs
to
happen
and
then
some
of
them
also
like
or
if
they're,
not
life
and
safety.
C
Typically,
we
give
30
days
to
get
certain
things
done
so
there's
like
once
we
go
in
and
inspect
there's
you
know,
there's
like
a
bunch
of
follow-up
on
re-inspections
and
how
that's
done
so.
We
do
give
numbers
via
like
annual
reports
that
you
know
basically
gives
how
many
we
were
inspected.
C
How
many
had
deficiencies?
You
know
how
many
you
know
eventually
all
will
pass.
They
all
have
to
pass,
or
you
know
they
won't
be
habitable
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
what
else
is
in
there
there.
You
know
there's
there's
overall
data
in
there,
but
there's
not
like
a
specific
report.
There's
you
know
it
goes
out
in
the
the
Consolidated
annual
performance
and
evaluation
report
that
our
our
planning,
Community
Development
section
puts
out.
C
There's
also
I
believe
in
the
and
I'm
I'm
blanking,
on
the
name
of
of
our
other,
like
the
affordable
housing
master
plan
report
that
we
always
do
every
year
with
all
of
our
metrics
and
stuff,
like
that.
So
that's
how
how
we
capture
that
data?
Okay,
thanks.
E
Awesome
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Nicole
Doula
I
am
the
housing
assistance
Bureau
director
over
at
the
Department
of
Human,
Services,
so
I'll
think
rental,
subsidy,
housing
and
I'll
be
covering
a
little
bit
on
eviction
prevention
as
well.
E
So
these
next
slides
are
around
dhs's
proposed
fy24
housing,
programs
and
services,
starting
with
eviction
prevention,
which
is
operated
through
our
community
Assistance
Bureau.
This
Bureau
has
been
at
the
Forefront
in
the
community
throughout
kovid
assisting
you
know
many
residents
with
critical,
targeted
prevention
tools
of
assistance
in
crisis
emergencies.
E
So,
as
one
of
the
FY
24
priorities,
the
county
manager
did
propose
in
his
budget,
there
would
be
an
emphasis
on
stabilizing
households
in
Arlington
and
improving
those
conditions
through
our
eviction
prevention
assistance
we
are
requesting
through
the
24
budget,
3
million
in
one-time
funds
and
600
000
and
ongoing
for
eviction
prevention
needs.
E
Yes,
the
the
600
to
answer
the
the
question
that
was
asked
earlier
is
sort
of
the
Baseline
and
then
requester
made
thereafter
depending
on
the
spending
of
it.
What
what
we
have
kind
of
had
to
do
now
in
terms
of
our
assessment,
we
are
running
out
of
a
lot
of
the
covid
infused.
Funding
that
we
were
able
to
you
know
depend
on
over
the
last
couple
years,
namely
we've
had
cares.
Funding
we've
had
arpa
funding.
E
We've
also
had
a
Statewide
rent
relief,
Pro
portal
program
which
closed
actually
in
June
of
2022,
so
the
county,
Arlington
County
specifically,
was
able
to
push
through
over
35.1
million
in
that
rent
relief
portal,
and
so
we're
now
beginning
to
get
an
assessment
on
exactly
how
our
budget
now
needs
to
assume
what
level
of
eviction
prevention
funds
are
needed
to
continue
operating,
as
we
can
see
here
on
this
slide
to
date,
and
this
is
to
date
of
the
work,
the
the
budget
work
presentation
if
we're
starting
at
a
base
of
600
000,
we've
already
spent
5.4
million
in
the
beginning
of
just
this
FY
23
year
in
eviction
prevention
funding,
and
that
includes
150
000.
E
That
was
privately
raised
through
Thrive.
To
give
you
sort
of
an
indication
of
how
many
times
and
the
volume
that
money
has
gone
on
to
support
at
least
1025
households
they've
been
assisted
over
2.1
times,
the
average
eviction
prevention
rescue
amount
is
anywhere
from
2200,
approximately
2
246
dollars.
E
Because
of
the
increased
costs.
We
have
gone
on
to
amend
some
of
our
eligibility
criteria
on
the
on
the
front
door
in
terms
of
how
we
disburse
These
funds.
E
E
We
did
have
a
income
threshold
that,
during
covid
reached
to
80
Ami.
We
amended
it
to
to
go
to
the
higher
amount.
We've
now
lowered
that
threshold
to
50
of
Ami.
E
We
are
requesting
documentation
and
it's
something
during
the
covid
pandemic
period
that
we
we
we
rate
we
wave
given
some
of
the
crisis,
so
we
are
requesting
notarized
leases
or
something
similar
documenting,
not
only
the
hardship
but
also
the
relationship
with
the
the
the
landlord
five-day
payer
quit
notices.
E
We're
also
doing
a
deeper
assessment
into
the
fair
market,
rent
value
for
the
property,
making
sure
that
it's
within
the
affordable
limits
of
the
household
that
is
seeking
the
assistance
and
we're
able
to
increase.
Thankfully,
our
our
social
worker
capacity
on
the
front
door
to
ensure
that
households
that
are
seeking
assistance
have
an
assigned
caseworker
that
we
work
with
during
these
targeted
prevention
crisis.
Conversations.
D
A
Yeah
good
question
that
was
one
of
mine.
The
other
question
I
had
was:
what
would
do?
We
have
Baseline
numbers
for
the
amount
that
was
allocated
in
the
budget
for
eviction
prevention
prior
to
the
covid
crisis,.
E
B
E
A
When
you're
talking
about
the
600
000
like
going
forward
after
the
one
time,
you
know
three,
three
million
dollar
funding
goes
away.
We're.
E
A
Okay,
yeah,
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
just
follow
up
with
like
some
of
the
figures
from
maybe
2015
through
2020.
A
Obviously,
you
know
during
covet
extraordinary
amount
of
spent
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
those
numbers,
but
I
was
curious
about
the
difference
in
the
Baseline.
The
other
question
I
had
was
so
we've
got
these.
These
new
criteria
put
into
place
to
essentially
like
reduce
the
number
of
people
who
can
actually
get
Aid
right
is.
H
E
You
know
that's
a
good
question
and
you
know
I
I
should
preface
that
the
eligibility
criteria
that's
presented
right
now
has
had
been
sort
of
our
standard
prior
to
covid.
We
made
some
amendments
during
covid
to
obviously
we
had
more
infusion
of
prevention
funds
and
due
to
the
to
the
crisis,
so
we
were
able
to
extend
flexibilities
we're
just
not
at
that
same
level
anymore.
To
do
that,
so
we've
gone
back
to
pre-covered
eligibility
criteria.
E
I
think
the
county
is
also
recognized
with
you
know
the
assignment
of
caseworkers,
not
only
social
workers,
to
have
conversations
with
households
also
connecting
them
with
our
employment
center,
where
there
might
be
just
you
know,
income
rebound
education
or
or
how
we
can
help
the
the
the
those
families
that
may
qualify
or
or
may
need
some
ongoing
interventions.
E
Or
the
caseworkers
are
assigned
at
intake,
so
it's
part
of
the
intake
conversation
right
you're,
going
through
all
of
the
eligibility
criteria,
we're
going
through
screening,
and
so
if
these
households
are
eligible
for
other
services,
such
as
employment
or
other
referral
needs.
Yes,
that
that
social
worker,
or
that
caseworker
at
intake
would
be
having
those
conversations
with
residents
at
call.
Okay,.
I
E
E
E
B
A
E
E
There
is
an
ongoing
commitment
to
support
how
the
housing
grant
program,
so
there
will
be
a
the
budget,
includes
2.4
million
and
one-time
funds
for
a
total
program
budget
in
FY
24,
a
14.4
million
14.4
million
dollars.
Our
program
is
growing
housing
grant
program.
E
There's
roughly
90
percent
of
our
program.
Participants
reside
in
committed,
affordable
units,
and
this
is
as
in
the
end
of
FY
22..
E
Approximately
89
of
our
participants
also
have
incomes
that
are
less
than
30
percent
Ami.
So
this
program
is
really
targeting
our
most
vulnerable
on
the
lower
income
strata
under
30
Ami
they're,
oh
okay,
she's,
fine,
this
chart
sort
of
shows,
you
know,
as
our
participation
in
the
program
has
has
grown,
there
was
a
slight
dip
around.
Obviously,
during
covid
we
had
to
relax
some
of
the
work
requirement
parameters
which
we
reinstated,
the
original
administrative
requirements
towards
the
at
the
beginning
of
FY
23.
E
So
there
was
a
slight
dip
to
close
out
that
year,
but
many
of
those
households
were
able
to
regain
employment,
regain
those
working
hours
and
reapply
to
to
get
back
on
the
program,
so
we
are
projecting
it.
4.9
percent
increase
in
our
our
participation
in
the
FY
24th
year.
E
With
the
program
there
is
a
maximum
allowable
rent.
E
That's
baked
in
we've
been
fortunate
that
every
annual
budget
cycle
year
we
continue
to
raise
those
maximum
allowable
rents
to
reflect
60
percent
Ami,
which
is
where
majority
of
our
our
committed,
affordable,
calf
index
lies
and
that
just
provides
more
flexibility,
more
options
in
terms
of
participants
and
where
they
may
choose
to
live
in
the
county
prior
to
FY.
20
are
we
were
capped
and
you
can
see
we
were
kind
of
stifled
in
terms
of
how
the
program
could
grow
or
not.
E
So
we
are
increasing
that
level
in
and
fy24,
and
this
will
also
provide
our
participants
more
opportunity
to
remain
competitive
in
the
the
housing
options
that
they
select,
as
well
as
any
increased
rents
that
happen
annually.
Where
we'll
be
able
to
increase
those
benefits
for
those
participants
as
well.
E
So
as
part
of
I
think
it
is
the
end
of
of
last
year,
DHS
was
charged,
but
through
the
County
Board
and
the
county
manager
to
really
study
the
housing
grant
program.
There
are
many
eligibility
areas
that
you
know.
We've
heard
from
commission
members
we've
heard
from
a
community
that
maybe
we
should
add
some
additional
flexibility.
This
program
has
not
been
studied
at
all
since
it's
its
Inception,
so
we
took
an
aggressive
stance
to
launch
a
a
study
that
that
began
over
the
summer.
E
The
the
focus
here
is
again
to
look
at
ways
that
we
can
potentially
expand
the
program.
Look
at
the
eligibility
components
conduct
a
an
inalitable
rent
analysis.
E
Are
we
truly
serving
those
that
are
most
vulnerable
that
need
it?
So
we
embarked
on
a
series
of
focus
groups
that
include
many
commission
members,
as
well
as
our
safety
net
providers.
E
We
made
it
a
point
to
engage
existing
participants
as
well
as
participants
that
may
have
formally
been
on
the
program
for
their
input,
so
over
108
surveys,
phone
and
focus
groups
we
conducted
over
the
summer
fast
forward.
We
then
did
some
focus
group
conversations
with
internal
County
stakeholders,
and
our
plan
is
this
spring,
which
is
now
is
soon
will
be
coming,
possibly
back
to
you
shortly
to
kind
of
unveil
some
of
the
recommendations
from
all
of
the
the
learnings
in
the
back
that
we've
that
we've
gotten
thus
far.
D
Recognizing
the
studies
ongoing,
what
could
greater
flexibility?
Look
like
I
think.
That's
the
term
that
you
use.
You
know
what's
what's
the
menu
of
changes
that
are
sort
of
out
there,
that
you
might
be.
E
E
Can't
no
worries,
no,
no,
no
I
mean
some.
The
the
things
that
we've
heard
over
the
years
is,
you
know,
should
the
housing
grant
program
was
intentionally
designed
where
the
tenant
contribution
is
40
of
their
income
right,
whereas
you
have
the
housing,
Choice,
Voucher,
Program,
formerly
known
as
section
eight
only
requires
30,
so
there
is
a
higher
bar
and
sometimes
that
higher
bar
to
contribute
towards
rent,
particularly
as
I
mentioned
we
have,
90
percent
of
our
participants
are
at
making
30
Ami
or
below.
That's
that's
a
stretch.
E
There's
there's
very
little
money
left
on
the
on
the
table,
so
you
know,
should
we
look
at
changing
those
parameters
right
now?
The
housing
grant
program
serves
seniors
and
that
are
age,
65
and
older,
those
that
are
disabled
and
or
have
open,
Active
cases
or
or
open
active
case
workers
case
managers
at
Behavioral,
Health
and
Working
Families.
E
Should
they
in?
Should
we
look
at
transition
aged
youth?
Those
aging
out
of
foster
care
have
also
been
ideas
that
have
been
thrown
out
working
singles
right.
You
know
the
the
working
requirement
that's
mandated
for
families,
particularly
depending
on
the
age
of
their
minor
children.
Are
there
additional
flexibilities
that
we
could
provide
there,
so
all
have
been
on
the
table.
E
Thoughts
are
related
to
dropping
the
income
requirement
for
those
that
enter
the
program.
All
these
conversations
have
been
going
on
so
we'll
we'll
be
back
with
you
shortly
on
on
those
prominent
themes.
D
E
It's
an
ongoing
program
as
long
as
you,
your
rent,
Falls,
underneath
that
maximum
allowable
rent
yeah,
you
can
continue
to
receive
the
program
and
it's
an
open
program
and
that
that's
one
of
the
benefits
that
we've
been
fortunate
to
have
on
like
a
housing,
Choice
voucher,
that's
closed
and
weightless
that
we're
accepting
applications
daily.
J
Thank
you.
Some
of
the
conversations
we
had
last
year
was
around
how
our
landlords,
and
that
these
residents
are
living
in
were
those
included
in
the
stakeholder
and
feedback
groups
of
this
study.
E
We'll
share
that
with
you
more
more
to
come,
but
you
know
just
from
one
misconception
is
that
this
program
again
is
a:
is
a
client
benefit
it?
There
is
not
a
it's.
Not
it
wasn't
designed
as
a
direct
relationship
with
landlord
landlords.
Don't
do
anything
that
you
know
to
to
qualify
or
sign
contracts
on
for
housing
grants.
So
it's
really.
E
The
relationship
is
with
the
tenant,
they're
being
paid
the
subsidy
and
it's
sort
of
a
two-party
combination
of
they
turn
it
over
with
their
portion
to
to
the
landlord,
but
yeah
we'll
we'll
share
some
of
the
pros
and
cons
of
how
that
conversation
has
played
out
and
we'll.
E
We
do
not
have
an
hqs
mandate
written
into
the
housing
grant
program,
but
for
participants
that
reside
in
cash
under
the
general
housing
department,
guys
those
caps
are
subject
to
inspection
and
and
review
if
once
they're
sampled,
but
there's
also
a
component
as
I
mentioned
there.
90
of
our
participants
are
in
calves.
We
do
have
a
percent
that
is
not
that
are
not
residing
in
calves
or
with
private
landlords
that
there's
no
inspection
oversight
component.
F
Can
I
I
like
to
share
something
you
know
about
five
or
six
years
ago?
I
actually
bought
a
property
here
in
Arlington
that
was
receiving
several
of
the
tenants
were
receiving
the
housing
Grant
and,
and
frankly,
those
units
should
have
been
expected
when
we
bought
it.
We,
you
know,
did
a
renovation
of
the
building,
it's
still
a
market
rate
affordable,
you
know.
F
Building
but
I
mean
these
people
were
living
in
deplorable
conditions,
I
mean
I,
couldn't
believe
it
and
the
landlord
was
you
know,
I
mean
it
wasn't
good
and
you
know
real
life
safety
issues
with
respect
to
carbon
monoxide,
poisoning
issues,
potentially
pests,
all
kinds
of
stuff-
and
you
know
my
view-
is:
if
somebody's
going
to
receive
you
know
County
subsidies,
then
they
should
be.
F
You
know,
have
a
basic
standard
in
which
they
live,
and
you
know
I
was
just
I
mean
I
was
just
shocked,
I
was,
and
you
know
we
remedied
all
that
stuff.
Obviously
we
renovated
the
building,
but
I
couldn't
believe
the
landlord
was
receiving.
You
know
thousands
of
dollars
a
month
in
subsidies
through
the
housing
grant
program.
You
know,
via
their
tenants
and
having
these
conditions
exist.
It
was.
It
was
pretty
eye-opening
for
me.
I'd
never
seen
that.
F
I
presume
that
still
exists
elsewhere,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
It.
F
D
D
Was
getting
at
when
I
asked
the
question,
and
so
it
might
be,
you
know,
future
years
it
might
be
helpful
to
be
proactive.
B
D
A
Nicole
is
there
some
kind
of
legal
impediment
to
performing
these
inspections?
I
think
you
mentioned
that
there's
no
like
direct
relationship
between
the
landlord
and
the
county
right,
because
the
funds
are
going
directly
to
the
tenant
and
then
to
the
landlord,
but
is
there
some
sort
of
legal
impediment
to
performing
an
inspection?
In
that
case.
B
E
Honestly,
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
I,
do
know
that
the
intentional
design
of
this
program
and
why
it
is
couched
as
a
client
benefit.
E
You
know
not
having
a
contract
in
place
with
with
landlords
also
folds
on
top
of
other
code
right,
and
so
there
is
the
county
code
for
this
program
specifically,
and
then
that
code
is
on
top
of
state
code
and
as
a
public
assistance
benefit
with
ongoing
rental
assistance
being
provided.
I
do
think
that
that
that
that
is
a
legal
interpretation
question
as
to
how
how
did
we
get
here
right,
and
this
is
kind
of
why
we're
we're
studying
this
now
and,
of
course,
you
know
with
all
the
recommendations
that
have
come
forth.
E
I
think
again,
we'll
be
back
shortly
to
kind
of
unveil
what
we
have
I.
Don't
think
that
that
will
be
the
last
of
you
know
any
of
the
commissioned
members
or
any
advocacy
groups
that
want
to
supply
additional
recommendations
and
feedback,
because
with
anything,
any
changes,
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
component
right
and
so
right
now
we're
not
structured
as
a
housing
grant
program
with
just
eligibility
workers.
There's
no
there's
no
mechanism
for
us
to
inspect.
We
don't
have
contracts
in
place
to
manage.
You
know
something
like
that.
E
A
recommendation
like
that
and
we
don't
have
sort
of
oversight
into
other
requirements
outside
of
our
our
calf
or
commit
an
affordable
agreement.
So
that,
fundamentally,
would
you
know
should
be
welcome
recommendation
that
gets
lifted
up
to
the
County
Board
County
Manager,
all
right,
so
I
was
gonna
I.
You
know
I.
F
Don't
think
you
actually
need
a
separate
requirement,
I
mean
the
county
can
inspect
any
building
in
the
county
for
code
at
any
time.
You
know
I
kind
of
see
this
as
like.
You
know,
you
know,
like
I,
don't
know
how
to
put
it,
but,
like
a
you,
know,
priority
yeah.
F
Well,
no,
no,
like
a
kind
of
like
what
am
I
getting
for
my
buck
if
the
County's
paying
so
that
certain
people
can
live
in
a
certain
building,
then
the
county
should
it
should
be
the
counties
priority
to
make
sure
that
those
conditions
are
safe,
and
you
know
the
landlord
might
not
like
the
idea
that
their
property
is
being
flagged
for
maybe
more
inspection
than
it
would
otherwise
be.
But
the
county
has
the
right
through
its
you
know
its
police
power
to
do
this
at
will
it's
just
a
question
of
assigning.
F
F
Not
looking
for
the
county
to
come
in
and,
like
you
know,
make
my
life
harder,
but
what
I
saw
I
was
shocking
and
as
a
taxpayer
in
Arlington
I
was
shocked
that
my
money,
some
small
portion
of
it,
was
going
to
subsidize.
You
know
I
mean
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
the
guy
was
a
slum,
Lord
and
yeah.
He
wasn't
the
only
one
was.
E
An
ongoing
it's
a
monthly,
ongoing
statement.
These
are
these
are
ongoing
grants
to
participants
so
long
as
they
remain
eligible
for
the
program
they
re-certify
directly
with
us
to
make
sure
they
meet
all
of
the
criteria
but
their
their
check
or
the
grant
goes
directly
to
the
client.
A
D
A
Study
recommendations,
yeah
exactly
okay,
thank
you.
You
have
more
slides,
I
presume.
E
No
no,
no,
this
is
this
is
why
I'm
here
to
you,
know,
educate
and
and
share
information-
and
you
know
these
are.
These
are
all
welcomed,
and
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
time
certainly
to
raise
these
ideas
and
Innovation,
and
the
old
way
does
not
have
to
continue
so
I
I
encourage
shoot
it
at
me
when
I
come
I'm,
probably
the
one
that's
coming
back
on
the
recommendation
so
feel
free,
let's
see,
okay,
so
just
housing
Choice
voucher.
E
This
is
sort
of
one
of
the
first
times
that
we've
actually
included
the
this
program
as
a
highlight
in
a
county
budget
work
session,
it's
100,
federally
funded,
but
I
do
think
it.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
see
that
it
was
included,
because
this
program
is,
is
a
major
contributor
in
providing
Housing
Resource
opportunities
to
arlingtonies,
particularly
on
the
lower
income
Spectrum
and
Beyond
Arlington
County.
E
So
the
this
the
highlights
here
are
just
you
know
this
program
with
the
inspections
with
a
deeper
subsidy.
That's
provided
I
mean
we're
operating
over
22.1
million
95
of
our
participants,
as
at
the
end
of
the
last
fiscal
year,
are
reside
in
committed,
affordable
units.
E
We
are
mandated
by
Hud
who,
who
funds
this
program
to
admit.
Participants
that
are
at
30
am
lying
below
majority
of
our
those
participants
at
that
income
level.
Right
next
slide,.
D
E
Okay,
yeah,
it's
it's!
It's
only
federally
funded.
You
know
those
dollars
are
tracked
to
the
T.
There's
ongoing
reporting
to
the
Feds
that
we
have
to
do
yeah,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
coupling
there.
I
mean
on
top
of
you
know.
If
there
were
a
coupling,
it
would
be
for
areas
that
the
housing
Choice
Voucher
Program
won't
cover,
such
as
maybe
eviction
prevention
right
resources
to
help
rescue
those
that
might
fall
behind,
but
yeah
there's.
F
E
Correct
all
right,
we
also
will
continue
to
operate
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
program.
This
is
a
program
that
it
is
coupled
with
federal
state
and
local
funding
resources
to
support
low-income
households
with
disabilities.
E
D
And
then
is
there
a
structural
reason
why
this
program
is
separate
from
housing
grants
like
the
housing
grant
program,
I'm
just
yeah
they're
different
they're,
two
different
programs?
Is
it
just
the
eligibility
requirements
because
I
imagine
there
could
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
value
in
that
I'm
just
curious.
E
So
permanent
Supportive
Housing
program
is
structurally
designed
to
help
those
with
you
know,
disabilities
and
we're
talking
usually
severe
mental
illness,
those
that
are
exiting
sometimes
mental
hospital
institutions
independently
live
in
the
community.
So
there
is
sort
of
a
clinical
assessment
for
the
participants
that
qualify
for
permanent
Supportive
Housing
because
it
is
coupled
with
actual
clinical
supports,
as
well
as
a
housing
focus
case
management
right.
E
So
that's
the
difference
between
housing,
Grant
and
and
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
But
in
this
particular
program
we
do
have
contractual
relationships
with
our
landlords
and
we
do
have
those
agreements
we
we
do
go
out
and
reinspect
the
apartments
and
or
you
know,
private
rental
units.
E
You
can
go
to
the
next
fight
and
and
with
that,
because
that's
a
great
segue
into
you
know
where
we
are
sort
of
uplifting
the
charge
in
the
Aging
cash
strategies
report
in
terms
of
our
oversight
and
asset
management
because
of
the
unique
nature
of
our
permanent
Supportive
Housing
program,
and
it
is
really
case.
E
Intensive
clinical
supports
housing
supports
with
the
clients
our
portfolios
growing
and
our
housing
Specialists,
not
only
working
with
the
client
have
also
been
doing
some
of
them
of
the
hqs
inspections
as
well,
and
we
just
can't
keep
up
with
with
with
both.
E
So
there
is
a
request
in
the
fy24
budget
for
a
hundred
thousand
and
ongoing
support
contract
with
third-party
inspecting
inspection
agency
or
firm,
we're
also
going
to
leverage
some
additional
Reserve
funding
from
our
housing
Choice
voucher,
Federal
program,
so
that
we
it
can
increase
as
well
quality
control
or
annual
inspections
that
we
perform
for
those
contracted
units
with
with
landlords
in
terms
of
our
oversight
of
of
the
units
that
are
under
an
actual
agreement
or
or
contract.
E
And
then,
finally,
our
request
for
this
budget
adds
a
a
full-time
FTE
that
is
going
to
be
focused
to
landlord
engagement,
the
I,
the
idea
here
is:
you
know
we.
We
do
need
sort
of
some
additional
support
and
sort
of
educating
Property
Management
staff
on
rental
assistance,
programs
that
are
available
what
their
roles
and
responsibilities
are,
particularly
when
there
there
is
turnover
understanding
the
difference
between
attendant-based
voucher
versus
a
project-based
voucher,
and
you
know
who
has
the
the
the
first
line
of
refilling
any
vacancies.
E
So
there
are
some
really
nice
system
tools
that
we
have
at
DHS
that
can
help
improve
the
communication
with
landlords
that
we
work
with,
and
so
what
we
didn't
have
is
sort
of
a
the
capacity
for
somebody
to
kind
of
like
take
this
ball
and
be
fo,
be
designated
to
focus
on
this
sort
of
Outreach
and
and
education
component.
So
we're
excited
that
this
was
also
leveraged
in
the
in
the
budget
and
looking
forward
to
that
being
approved.
So
we
can
bring
on
this
ft.
D
I'm
very
excited
about
this
and
I
know
from
looking
at
the
20,
the
24
budget,
that
there
are
lots
of
positions
that
we're
open
to
have
been
eliminated,
and
so
it's
great
to
see
that
accounting
manager
is
making
this
I
think.
As
we've
heard
in.
D
Have
a
positive
experience
is
a
crucial
component
to
ensuring
you
know
reducing
source.
F
It's
harder
well,
I
have
a
quick
question
just
in
general
and
I.
Just
don't
know
where
this
Falls
in,
but
what's
the
proportion
of
project-based
Section
8
units
that
are
exist
within
the
county
versus
versus
voucher
units
are.
Are
there
any
project-based
properties
in
Arlington
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
myself,
but.
E
There
there
are,
and
and
through
our
federal
housing,
Choice
Voucher
Program
we're.
Actually
there
are.
There
are
regulatory
requirements
that
we
can't
project
base
more
than
20
percent
of
our
allocated
vouchers.
E
So
we
do
have
a
a
little
less
than
that
threshold
already
baked
into
our
our
housing.
Choice
Voucher
Program
Mary
Marshall
call
Pepper
Gates
of
Boston.
You
know
the
we'll
have
different
set-aside
units
that
serve
specific
populations
as
well.
I'm
happy
to
I've
got
a
slide
on
that
somewhere,
but
I
can
show
you
where
those
project
space
options
are
yeah.
F
E
Less
than
20
of
our
allocated
HUD
Alec,
allocating
HUD
vouchers
are
project-based
and.
D
I
know
this
might
have
been
the
last
question.
I
know
this
may
have
been
on
another
site,
but
what's
the
current
waiting
list
for
the
housing
Choice
voucher
program,
the
wait
time.
E
Housing
Trace
Thatcher.
Is
that
no
great
question
so
the
last
time
we
opened
our
waiting
list
was
in
wait
time
or
the
waiting,
the
from
waitlist
to
actual
voucher
yeah.
D
Yeah
sorry,
yeah
I
might
be
asking
the
question,
but
yes,
what
is
the
time
from
from
applying
to
actually
getting
a
voucher?
Typically,
on
average.
E
E
In
2012
opened
up
the
waiting
list
for
one
day
and
there
were
over
6
000
people
lined
up
outside
DHS
to
subscribe
to
that
list.
We
are
still
working
down
that
list,
but
we
have
we.
We
are
looking
to
reopen
our
waiting
list
very
soon,
so
I'll
probably
be
back
again
to
discuss
more
of
that
opportunity.
With
with
you
all.
D
B
D
As
a
society
prioritize
housing
as
much
as
we
should
and
I
think,
despite
all
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing
to
use
the
money
well,
I
think
that
wait
time
you
know-
and
this
is
beyond
the
scope
of
the
commission,
but
I'll
put
it
on
that
wait.
Time
is
just
really
sacked
and
it's
not
because
of
anything
it's
because
we've
made
a
decision
as
a
country
not
to
state
that
housing
is
right
and
we
get
into
Idol
right.
I'm,
gonna,
stop
I'm
gonna
stop
was.
A
D
A
One
should
feel
bad,
it's
just
it's
just
my
my
sole
job
is
to
attempt
to
keep
us
to
reading
towards
the
shepherd
8
30.
yeah
exactly
so
next
we
have
a
a
presentation
from
the
national,
low-income
housing.
I
Hello
hi,
can
you
thank
you
so
much.
Can
you
hear
me
and
see
me?
You
can
yes,
okay,
perfect!
So
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
on
today.
My
name
is
Gabby
Ross
and
I'm
here
with
my
colleague,
Sid
Bettencourt,
and
we're
both
housing,
advocacy
organizers
with
the
National
Low
Income
Housing
Coalition.
I
Today,
the
focus
of
our
presentation
will
be
our
tenant
engagement
and
advocacy
work,
including
our
10,
and
talk
live
webinars
and
our
tenant
talk
magazine,
which
Sid
will
describe
later
in
the
presentation,
as
well
as
our
tenant
leader,
cohorts
and
also
some
helpful
resources
before
we
get
into
that.
I
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
nlihc
is,
where
a
policy,
research
and
advocacy
organization
based
in
Washington
DC
and
we're
dedicated
to
achieving
racially
and
socially
Equitable
public
policy
that
ensures
people
with
the
lowest
incomes
have
access
to
Quality
and
affordable
homes.
We
have
several
campaigns
that
outline
current
federal
housing
policy
issues
that
highlight
the
need
to
focus
on
people,
the
lowest
incomes
when
policy
decisions
are
made.
I
Some
of
the
issues
that
we
focus
on
are
on
the
federal
budget:
fair
housing,
Disaster,
Recovery,
housing,
Native,
American,
housing
and
homelessness
issues
and
an
important
part
of
our
work
that
separates
us
from
other
policy
organizations.
Is
our
field
team,
which
Sid
and
I
are
a
part
of
our
field?
I
Team,
consists
of
other
housing,
advocacy
organizers
that
focus
on
different
regions
of
the
country
and
in
this
case
Virginia,
is
in
my
region
and
we're
responsible
for
mobilizing
and
connecting
with
members
and
partners
across
the
country,
and
you
know
mobilizing
them
to
advocate
for
a
housing
policy
that
supports
people
with
the
lowest
incomes
and
also
before
I,
get
into
get
further
into
our
tenant.
Work.
I
just
want
to
highlight
two
significant
reports
that
nlihc
releases
each
year,
the
outer
the
Out
Of
Reach
report
and
the
Gap
report.
I
The
Out
Of
Reach
report
highlights
the
the
mismatch
between
wages,
people
earn
and
the
price
of
decent
rental
housing
in
every
state,
metropolitan
area
and
county
in
the
United
States.
The
report
Central
statistic
is
the
housing
wage,
which
is
an
estimate
of
the
hourly
wage.
A
full-time
worker
must
earn
to
afford
a
modest
rental
home
at
Hud's,
fair
market
rents,
without
spending
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
on
housing
costs,
with
30
being
the
accepted
standard
of
affordability.
I
We,
the
new
Out
Of
Reach
report
for
2023,
will
be
released
later
this
year,
but
I
still
encourage
you
all
to
visit
last
year's
report
and
just
review
the
findings
for
that
report
and
also
review
the
the
data
for
this
area
and
your
state
of
Virginia
as
well
and
I
see
that
Sid
dropped
the
link
to
the
report
in
the
chat.
So
thank
you
so
much
Sid.
I
I
The
new
Gap
report,
which
is
released
it
was
released
last
month
in
March.
It
found
it
finds
that
the
economic
repercussions
of
the
kova
19
pandemic,
followed
by
significant
rent
increases,
has
drastically
impacted
the
supply
of
affordable
and
available
rental
homes
across
the
country
as
household
lost,
their
income
and
rents
increased
the
number
extremely
low
income
households
increased,
while
the
numbers
of
units
affordable
to
them
shrink,
so
I
think
said,
drop
the
link
to
the
Gap
report
in
the
chat
as
well.
I
Thank
you,
so
I
encourage
you
to
look
over
that
a
new
report
in
the
new
data
as
well
so
just
getting
into
our
tenant
advocacy
and
engagement,
work
I
do
want
to
start
with
and
Elijah's
tenant
leader
cohorts.
I
Our
tenant
leader
cohort
is
a
group
of
tenant,
Advocates
and
Community
Leaders
with
lived
experience
of
housing,
insecurity
who
work
towards
housing,
Justice
and
racial
equity
in
their
neighborhoods
and
communities.
We
collaborate
in
LHC
collaborates
with
the
tenant
leader
cohort
to
help
inform
our
policy
priorities,
so
they
best
reflect
the
needs
of
low-income
renters.
The
creation
of
the
tenant
leader
cohort
was
a
big
step
for
us
as
an
organization
as
we
expand
our
tenant
advocacy
work
and
really
start
to
Center.
I
The
experiences
of
people
with
lived
experience
of
Housing
and
stability
and
homelessness
in
our
advocacy
work
centering.
These
voices
has
shaped
how
we
Advocate
as
a
field
team
and
as
a
as
an
organization,
and
it
also
helps
to
broaden
our
perspective
on
certain
issues
that
affect
low-income
renters
across
the
country.
As
an
organization.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
our
part
to
amplify
tenant
voices
by
having
people
speak
on
Ten
and
talk,
live
and
tenant.
I
Talk
magazine,
which
said
we'll
discuss
later,
as
well
as
our
tenant,
blog
called
on
the
home
front
and
I
can
drop
a
link
to
that
in
the
chat.
I'll
probably
drop
a
link
to
that
after
my
parts
but
yeah,
so
that
was
just
a
little
bit
a
background
about
our
tenant.
Cohort
and
I
do
want
to
talk
about
some
additional
contacts
for
the
cohorts,
so
the
cohort
is
our
first.
I
One
is
nlich's,
first
one
it
started
last
year
and
it
started
with
a
kickoff
retreat
in
Albany
Georgia,
where
the
cohort
members
discussed
racial
trauma
and
healing
and
how
that
ties
into
the
into
their
work.
As
advocates,
the
cohort
also
helped
formulate
tenant
protection
policy
priorities
and
ideas
for
analyze,
she's
2023
policy
Forum,
which
took
place
a
few
weeks
ago
in
Washington
DC
before
I,
get
into
the
tennis
session.
I
I
do
want
to
highlight
an
accomplishment
of
this
cohort,
which
was
them
getting
invited
to
the
White
House
in
November
last
year
to
participate
in
a
discussion
on
tenant
protections,
and
they
were
there
with
other
people
with
lived
expertise
and
other
Advocates
and
researchers.
At
this
meeting
they
provided
feedback
on
policies
that
are
currently
affecting
their
communities
and
how
to
improve
tenant
protections
and
advanced
housing.
Equity.
After
this
meeting,
the
tenant
leader
cohort
sent
a
letter
to
the
Biden
Harris
Administration,
outlining
key
policy
goals
to
help
strengthen
rental
protections
and
I.
I
I
Okay,
so
just
want
to
get
into
our
tenant
session.
That
was
a
part
of
our
housing
policy.
Forum.
You
know
the
tenant
session.
It
was
a
two-day
session
before
the
actual
Forum,
so
it
took
place
on
that
Monday
and
Tuesday
of
that
week,
and
this
was
totally
shaped
by
the
tenant
engagement
team
at
nlhc,
as
well
as
the
tenant
leader
cohorts.
I
I
The
session
included
workshops
on
community
healing
and
Liberation
and
panel
discussions
featuring
tenant
leaders
from
across
the
country,
as
well
as
HUD
officials
that
covered
a
wide
range
of
topics
from
tenant
protections
and
power
to
reclaiming
land,
space,
land
and
space
through
different
housing
models
and
I
do
want
to
add
that
we
have
the
honor
to
be
in
discussion
and
Community
with
Mrs
Shirley
Sherrod,
who
is
the
co-founder
of
the
new
community
of
new
communities
and
president
of
the
Southwest
Georgia
project.
I
Over
50
years
ago,
Mrs
Sherrod
co-founded
the
new
communities
Land
Trust,
as
a
Haven
for
black
Farmers
that
were
thrown
off
their
land
during
the
Civil
Rights
Movement,
and
today
new
communities
is
credited
as
being
the
country's
First
Community
Land,
Trust
And.
It
continues
to
help
black
Farmers
across
Southwest,
Georgia
and
also
during
a
retreat.
We
stayed
at
the
resort,
which
is
part
of
the
new
community's
lands.
I
I,
don't
know
it
was
a
little
confusing
the
different
layers
of
organization,
but
that
is
part
of
Mrs
Shirley
sherrod's
world.
So
we
had
an
honor
of
staying
there
as
well.
I
I
I
Other
policy
focused
organizations
do,
but
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
when
we
have
Advocates,
who
are
at
the
crossroads
of
being
an
advocate
and
also
experiencing
housing,
instability
and
homelessness,
that
we
make
sure
that
that
healing
piece
is
really
included,
because
I
think,
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward
on
a
lot
of
these
issues,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
cards
on
the
table
are
on
the
disabled
and
that
we
are
at
least
working
towards
healing
ourselves
and
our
society.
I
But
yeah.
Oh,
yes,
go
ahead.
D
Hi,
my
name
is
I'm.
This
is
like
a
big
picture,
but
since
you've
had
this
forum,
what
what
will
be
the
single
most
important
tenant
protection
that
you
advocate
for
that
Most
states
or
jurisdictions
don't
have
today
what
would
be
the
most
if
you
could
snap
your
fingers
and
and
Implement
one
tenant
protection
Nationwide?
What
would
that
look
like
to
you
to
your
team.
I
H
In
terms
of
tenant
protections,
I
think
the
biggest
one
that
we're
probably
pushing
for
at
the
federal
level
is
like
source
of
income
discrimination,
which
is
not
like
federally
protected.
But
there
is
like
some
legislation,
that's
being
worked
on
by
the
Senate
I
believe
it's
like
no
I
think
it
might
be
like
two
like
bills,
like
one
on
the
house
and
one
on
the
Senate
side
called
like
the
fair
housing
Improvement
act,
or
something
like
that.
H
Yes,
I,
don't
think
it's
been
introduced
yet,
but
that's
something
that
we
like
heavily
support
as
an
organization,
but
aside
from
like
tenant
protections
themselves,
we're
also
you
know
working
on
other
things.
That
would
also
make
it
like
that
would
reduce
barriers
for
folks
to
stay
in
housing,
so
Universal,
like
rental
assistance,
and
also
making
sure
that
we
like
fund
things
like
light
tech
and
like
the
housing
trust
funds,
so
that
folks
can
have
like
that
money
for
the
supply
side
too
so,
but
I,
think
tenant
protections.
I
Yeah
that
makes
sense
to
me
yeah
definitely
the
source
of
income
protections
and
just
making
sure
to
address
just
at
least
for
the
tenant
cohort
I
think
probably
their
top
priority
is
just
making
sure
to
address
the
the.
I
Between
tenants
and
landlords
and
that
power
imbalance,
that's
a
lot
of
people
experience
and
actually
I
was
just
gonna
pass
it
to
Sid
I'm
sorry,
my
cat
is
like
moving
my
laptop,
but
I
shall
pass
it
to
see.
No.
H
Thanks
Kathy
and
I
will
say
one
more
thing
too,
like
aside
from
like
Federal
legislation
like
nlihc,
also
like
Gabby
mentioned
works,
really
closely
with
like
federal
agencies
in
the
White
House,
to
like
make
sure
that
what
we're
hearing
from
on
the
ground
is
like
being
expressed
at
the
national
level
as
well,
and
so
with
that
I'll.
Just
talk
about
sorry.
D
D
B
D
Acting
the
public
interest,
landlords
and
tenants
try
to
work
collaboratively
together,
but
I.
B
D
D
B
H
And
I
I
think
that's
like
a
discussion
that
we
kind
of
have
on
going
with
cohort
too,
because
it's
not
just
about
like
here
are
some
things
that
we
want
to
do
to
empower
tenants,
but
we
also
want
to
empower
them
with
the
knowledge
of
like
the
policies
and
regulations
that
impact
them
and
that's
been
a
big
part
of
like
their
experience
in
the
cohort
is
just
learning
more.
H
We
have
like
a
lot
of
folks
who
you
know
are
in
public
housing
or
like
live
in
multi-family
housing
with
like
Section
8
vouchers,
and
it's
really
just
learning
about,
like
you
know
things
like
Hotmail
that
might
like
impact
them
so
that
they
can
make
like
those
suggestions
to
the
regulations,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
they
have
been
really
interested
in
kind
of
providing
feedback
on
has
been
like
the
affh
like
comment
period
And,
so
they
provided
some
feedback
on
that,
there's
been
like
other
things
that
are
more
specific
kind
of
like
the
Inspire
stuff.
H
I
forgot
what
that
acronym
stands
for,
but
it's
basically
just
like
I'm,
pretty
sure.
Almost
everyone
here
knows
what
inspires,
but
it's
kind
of
like
the
I
think
it's
like
an
assessment
for
for
public
housing
or
something
like
that,
and
then
there's
also
been
like
a
listening
session
for
this
thing
called
cmap,
which
is
like
a
section
eight
like
management,
evaluation
process,
or
something
like
that.
H
So
they've
they've
been
able
to
kind
of
give
feedback
on,
like
those
smaller,
like
not
smaller,
but
like
more
specific
processes
and
also
just
providing
more
context
on
like
where
help
is
needed
right.
So,
if,
like
I,
think
right
to
council
I
didn't
mention
this
earlier,
but
right
to
council
is
something
else
that,
like
the
tenant
cohort,
also
cares
a
lot
about
and
something
that
we've
brought
up
to
like
the
Federal
like
entities,
a
lot
yeah
I'm
trying
to
think
of
more
things.
But
that's.
M
D
It's
I've
done
public
policy
work
where
you
know
the.
B
D
D
F
Wasn't
going
to
say
anything
but
I
have
to
you:
don't
never
have
to
hold
back,
I
have
to
provide
a
Counterpoint,
and
maybe
something
for
Sydney
and
Gabrielle
to
think
about
too,
but
I'm
a
small
landlord.
Okay,
we
my
family's
own
rental
properties
for
45
years,
okay
or
more,
and
we
even
have
a
project-based
Section,
8
property,
so
I'm,
you
know
which
is
which,
by
the
way,
if
you
went
to
it,
you
would
not.
It
looks
just
like
a
market
rate
property.
You
would
never
know.
F
F
Think
we're
pretty
good
and
and
and
I
just
I
chafe
a
little
bit
at
the
notion
that
there
is
as
a
blanket
statement,
landlord
tenant
power
imbalance
because
tenants
are
our
clients.
No
no
purveyor
of
any
good
or
service
is
going
to
do
well
if
their
client
is
being
taken
advantage
of-
or
at
least
they
won't
do
well
for
long,
and
so
what
I
don't
like
is
I,
don't
like
when
either
party
in
the
tenant,
landlord
relationship
abuses.
That
relationship
and.
F
It's
not
a
legally
binding
contract
where
I
have
to
pay
my
rent
or
not
put
holes
in
the
walls
or
you
know
or
smoke
when
it
says
I'm
not
supposed
to
smoke
in
the
building
or
you
know
whatever
the
problem
might
be,
and
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
abuse
is
possible
on
either
side
of
that
tenant.
Landlord
relationship
and
I
think
it's
great
that
we
can
teach
tenants
how
to
advocate
for
themselves
to
be
to
the
extent
that
they
are
being
abused
but
I.
Just
don't
like
the
blanket
notion
that
there's
this.
F
F
I
would
like
to
see
abusive
landlords
taken
care
of
being
got
rid
of
and
I'd
like
to
see
abusive,
tenants,
gotten
rid
of
I,
think
people
who
are
abusive
of
their
role
in
this
relationship.
That's
what
needs
to
be
focused
on,
because
the
vast
majority
I'm
guessing
of
both
tenants
and
landlords
are
doing
the
right
thing.
Most
of
the
time
I
just
wanna
I
have
to
say
that,
based
on
Chris's
comment,
no.
K
Yes
period,
please
Carey
book
Regional,
Lieutenant,
representative
I
I
wanted
to
ask
about
what
part
you
think
of
lobbying
and
legislation.
Place
we've
gone
over
here
at
the
Virginia.
K
Center
and
usually
there's
about
10
to
15
bills
that
they
track
that
have
benefits
to
tenants
in
this
session,
Maybe
a
whole
bunch
of
them,
don't
get
passed
and
then
there's
obviously
some
bills
that
are
recommended
that
are
detrimental
or
they
they
consider
detrimental
to
tenants
and
it's
kind
of
a
year
in
year
out
process
where
it
sometimes
takes
a
couple
years
to
pass
something
that
seems
very
basic,
so
I'm
interested
in
what
part
do
you
think
legislation.
G
K
H
Impacting
what
I've
seen
I
think
a
lot
more
like
at
the
local
and
state
level,
just
because
it
moves
a
lot
faster
there
than
it
does
at
the
federal
government,
but
it
does
definitely
make
a
big
impact
and
from
what
we've
seen
at
least
from
the
states
that
we've
we've
been
following,
some
states
have
an
easier
time
implementing
it
than
others.
H
Some
states
will
come
up
with
preemption
laws
or
not
come
up,
but
like
we'll,
have
the
preemption
laws
which
will
kind
of
stop
like
the
further
expansion
of
like
tenant
rights
legislation,
but
yeah
I.
Think
in
from
my
I
guess
professional
opinion.
It's
like
more
impactful
at
the
at
the
state
and
local
level
because
it
moves
really
quickly,
but
at
the
federal
level
too
like
once,
we
can
State
those
protections.
It's
also
very
helpful,
but
it's
a
it's
a
long.
H
It's
a
long
advocacy
Journey,
but
it
there's
definitely
been
a
lot
of
hopeful
moments
throughout
the
years.
I
think
too,
so.
I
hope
that
kind
of
answered
your
question.
I,
don't
know
Gabby.
If
you
wanted
to
add
anything.
I
No
I
think
that's
pretty
much
covers
it.
I
mean
yeah
at
the
federal
level.
I
To
put
it
plainly,
I
wouldn't
hold
your
breath
with
Federal
advocacy
with
Federal
legislation,
but
at
the
state
and
local
level
you
know
I
think
that's
really
important
to
put
your
energy
towards
that
as
it
could
you
know,
changes
can
be
seen
faster
through
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
from
an
earlier
question.
I
I
was
trying
to
think
about.
Like
the
imbalance,
you
know,
I
think
it
was
Chris,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know
if
I
heard
names,
but
that
first
question
about
the
power
imbalance.
Something
else
that
our
cohort
has
brought
up
is
the
tenant
empowerment
act,
which
was
introduced
in
2021
I.
I
Don't
think
it's
active
right
now,
but
that's
something
else
to
look
at
to
really
kind
of
understand
where
they're
coming
from
when
they
talk
about
that
power
imbalance,
and
it's
really
about
holding
landlords
accountable
for
certain
things.
So
it's
not
necessarily
from
what
I.
How
I
understand
the
power
imbalance
is
not
just
the
everyday.
I
You
know
you're
paying
your
rent
to
your
landlord
and
you
know
that's
you
know,
they're
getting
getting
your
money
and
you
could
be
evicted
it's
much
it's
more
of
like
a
systemic
way
of
holding
landlords
accountable
through
legislation.
So
I
think
I
hope.
That's
add
some
additional
context,
but
I
can
share
these
resources
as
well.
If
you
wanted
to
learn
more.
H
Yeah
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
us
forward
to
with
the
other
resources
that
we
wanted
to
share,
but
I
won't
take
up
too
much
more
time.
I
promise
the
the
two
things
that
I'll
talk
about
in
relation
to
the
tenant
engagement
that
we
do
at
nlihc,
I
I
call
them
both
like
my
children,
because
I
work
on
them,
probably
the
most
but
the
first
one
is
the
tenant
talk
magazine,
which
is
a
like
bi-annual
newsletter.
H
That
goes
out
once
in
the
summer
and
once
in
the
winter
time,
and
it
kind
of
just
talks
about
different,
like
Federal
housing,
advocacy
policies,
and
it's
it's
really
just
like
a
way
not
just
for
tenants
but
for
the
general
public
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
on
different
topics
regarding
housing.
So,
for
example,
the
most
recent
edition
of
tenant
talk
was
on
tenant
protections,
but
we've
also
done
one
on
on
like
disability
rights,
we've
done
one
on
like
emergency
rental
assistance.
H
We
did
one
on
racial
Justice
when
I
first
got
here.
We've
also
done
one
on
gentrification.
You
know
voter
engagement
and
for
tenants
and
stuff.
H
So
there's
like
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
to
kind
of
just
like
learn
about
the
housing
policy
outside
of
just
like
you
know,
reading
the
regulations
and
stuff,
and
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
accessible
for
folks
and
that
magazine
for
context
started
about
a
little
over
a
decade
ago
and
when
it
first
started.
H
It
was
really
just
like
one
like
a
one-page
like
PDF
and
we've
kind
of
transformed
it
more
into
like
a
magazine,
type
Style
and
it's
definitely
grown
a
lot
and
it
kind
of
spurred
the
beginning
of
the
webinar
series.
Called
tenant.
Talk
live
around
2019
and
it
happened
like
twice
a
month,
and
it
was
just
like
a
way
for
tenants
across
the
country
to
come
together
to
learn
about
Federal
housing
advocacy,
but
also
learn
about
what's
happening
in
their
communities
and
how
they
can
help
one
another.
H
And
it
became
like
a
very,
very
like
like
big
thing
during
the
pandemic,
because
obviously
it
provided
a
space
for
them
to
just
like
I,
guess
kind
of
like
vent,
but
also
learn.
H
And
it's
created
like
a
safe
space
for
folks
we've.
Definitely
we
went
back
to
like
once
a
month,
I
think
for
like
a
year
or
two,
and
we
recently
expanded
the
webinar
to
be
twice
a
month
again,
because
there
was
just
like
a
strong
need
for
folks
to
to
get
together
and
learn,
and
people
are
really
engaged
on.
That
call
me
and
Gabby
help
facilitate
those
calls,
and
we
can
tell
you
that
there's
folks
on
there
who
will
like
ask
questions
like
want
to
get
more
involved
in
this
kind
of
stuff.
H
So
if
you
ever
like
have
any
folks
that
are
interested
in
federal
housing,
advocacy
like
I
would
definitely
recommend
the
webinar
to
them,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
really
good
way
for
them
to
just
tap
into
not
only
what's
happening
at
the
federal
level,
but
also
like
a
network
of
folks
across
the
country
and
then
really
briefly
too.
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
think
this
might
be
helpful
to
y'all.
This
might
not
be
helpful
to
y'all,
but
I
did
just
want
to
share
like
as
a
National
Organization.
H
One
thing
that
we
get
is
a
lot
a
lot
of
emails
of
folks
asking
for
help
and
obviously
we
do
not
provide
direct
housing
assistance.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
to
make
sure
that
our
website
are
not
our
website,
but
like
the
emails
that
we
have
will
always
have
like
the
resources
that
folks
need,
and
so
when
we
get
those
emails,
we'll
usually
share
like
links
to
2-1-1
or
like
the
legal
aid
like
search
engine
and
like
if
there's
any
rental
assistance
programs
open
we'll
like
refer
them
to
those
programs.
But
I
also
just
want
to
share
like
two
different
direct
assistance
like
resources
that
y'all
can
share
with
tenants.
H
And
if
you
are
a
tenant
yourself
like
feel
free
to
like
share
these
as
well
with
your
network.
But
shelter
force
does
have
some
like
detailed
resources
and
there's
like
a
new
website
by
Matthew
Desmond
to
like
promote
his
book.
But
there's
like
a
whole
thing
on
his
website
too.
That
like
helps
folks
find
different
resources,
including
housing.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
are
aware
of
that
and
then
yeah
me
and
Gabby.
A
We
are
into
your
we're
actually
past
the
conclusion
of
our
technical
meeting.
Were
there
any
things
in
in
the
stories
you're
gonna
tell
specifically
about
Virginia,
otherwise
I
hate
to
cut
off,
but
we
do
have
another
item
to
get
to
yeah
I.
Think
Virginia
related.
H
I
wouldn't
say
Virginia
related,
but
there
is
like
a
National
Organization
that
I
did
want
to
just
mention
was
Community
change,
which
uplifts
like
state
and
local
resident.
Organizing
and
they've
been
doing
this
across
the
country.
They
started
in
I
believe
Washington.
They
had
one
in
California,
they
did
one
in
New,
Orleans
and
I.
Think
they're
looking
to
like
just
expand
this
in
different
areas.
H
A
D
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
particularly
for
our
section,
our
dialogue
back
and
forth.
We
learn
a
ton
and
I
I
know
I
Alum
of
another.
Commissioner
I've
already
put
up
the
pulled
up
the
report,
so
that
you
mentioned
super
excited
to
dig
into.
A
Well,
thank
you
so
much
Gabrielle
and
Chris
and
and
Sydney
thank.
A
All
right
last
agenda
item
is
it's
just
some
Community
reports
were
there
were
there
any
news
or
updates
from
the
sub
committees
that
I'm
unaware
of.
L
A
Cool
and
were
you
thinking
like
doing
a
like
a
joining
meeting
or
just
like
sharing
resources,
or
what?
What
are
you
guys
have
in
mind
there
out.
A
D
I
think,
in
the
last
session
we
we
looked
at
existing
EDR
programs
in
the
area
as
well
as
what
is
the
legal
basis
yeah
for
radio
art
programs
in
Virginia.
There
actually
is
a
statute
says
if
two
parties
agreed
to
arbitrate,
something
they
can
arbitrate
anything
and
so
that's
the
basis
and
that
would
be
enforceable
and
Report
I,
don't
think
you
know.
D
Arbitration
is
consistent,
ly
statue,
but
also,
at
the
same
time,
I
found
an
article
from
like
1983
when
Fairfax
launched
this
program,
where
you
know
the
article
talks
about
how
this
might
be
a
great
idea
yeah,
but
also
are
we
really
gonna
do
it
like,
and
so
what
we
would
like
to
learn
more
is
the
direct.
What
has
been
the
experience?
What's
the
volume
of
of
cases
and
with
the
with
the
I
think
the
bigger
picture?
D
Being
we
don't
want
to
create
an
elaborate,
you
know,
Fairfax
has
rules
of
procedure
and
they
have
carrying
panels,
and
then
you
know
and
just
making
sure
there's
balancing
and
there's
lots
of
process
to
it
and
I
think
we
want
to
be
mindful
that
if
we're
going
to
do
all
that
for
like
four
cases
a
year
or
something,
and
then
we
had
a
good
discussion
about
what
would
even
be
appropriate
agreeing
to
arbitration,
no
rent
disputes
would
not
right.
There's
mechanisms
for
that.
D
A
Are
are
being
methodical
about
it
and
thoughtful.
D
F
B
B
F
F
Tenants,
you
know
it
can
be
as
needed,
review
or
whatever
yeah
so
I
think
that's
fairly
easy,
so
I
mean
yeah.
B
F
F
We
can
well
there's
some
somehow
there's
one
on
my
calendar
and
I
had
to
schedule
another
meeting
yeah
okay.
So
we
might
need
to
redo
that.
But
then
we
can
just
focus
on
you
know
kind
of
what
the
next
step
is
to
get
something
laid
out
in
an
attractive
way.
Yeah
and
you
know
easy
to
read
and
PDF
with
you
know,
English
in
the
front
and
Spanish
in
the
back
and
and
then
and
then
approach
the
County
Board
about
you
know.
Can
you
guys
make
this
if.
N
A
Last
piece
I
would
be
looking
for
from
you
guys
like
putting
the
Athletics
aside.
It's
like
exactly
how
are
we
implementing
this
and
then
you
know,
how
can
we
recommend
it
well.
F
F
Is
I
think
that's
when
we
go
to
council
member
for
Auntie
and
say:
listen,
we've
been
working
on
this
thing
here.
It
is
like
we
think
this
would
be
helpful
if
you
can
talk
about
Recycling
and
you
can
talk
about
the
Virginia
whatever.
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
landlords
to
get
this
out
and
put
it
in
their
leasing
package
for
tax
yeah.
D
F
B
D
F
J
F
D
D
So
I
yeah
I
would
be
a
relatively
easy
question
for
them
that
the
County
Board
can
mandate
the
inclusion
of
piece
of
information
with
right.
You
know
standard
release
package.
D
F
F
I
can
still
make
one
just
make
one
point,
so
we
spent
like
95
of
our
time
on
you
know
like
affordable
housing,
kind
of
protections
and
stuff
like
that,
and
it
seems
very
and
actually
it
was
Hector
who
brought
this
up
in
the
like.
It's
the
tenant
landlord
ation.
There
needs
to
be
a
balance
and
that's
a
lot.
A
A
Everyone
is
degree,
potential
agenda
items.
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To
housing
programs
program
but
I,
hear
you
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
have
on
I
think
made
it
to.
The
final
was
having
a
landlord
form
like
I.
Have
a
meeting.
That's
dedicated
hearing
from
landlords
of
other
experience,
I
think
it's
very
fair
that
we.
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D
This
fall
to
have
a
much
broader
landlord
forum
and
okay,
and
so,
but
no
I
hear
you
and
and
if
there
are-
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
on
this
point
is
again:
we
hear
a
lot
about
renter
challenges
but
I
think
having
landlords
like
what
are
the
challenges
you
are
experiencing
in
Arlington,
managing
and
running
properties.
I
want
to
hear
those
things
too:
public
interest,
representative
and
I'm.
You
know
pre-market
and
oriented
and
I'm
going
the
market
to
be
successful.
I.
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100
yeah
thank
you
and
if
you
hear
anything
else,
please
great
well
I
do
think
unless
I'm
mistaken
that
we
are
at
the
end.
So
can
I
get
a
motion.
A
I
have
a
second
any
opposed
hearing,
none
that
will
conclude
the
April
12
2023.
Thank
you.