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From YouTube: Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments Helicopter Over Flights Community Impacts Forum
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Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments Helicopter Over Flights Community Impacts Forum. Held in Arlington Virginia and chaired by Mary Hynes.
A
We
would
certainly
like
to
know-
and
second
would
like
to
know
is-
was
it
necessary
to
overfly
residential
communities
where
people
are
trying
to
sleep
and
three
and
more
important?
Is
there
an
alternative
to
overflying
residential
communities
during
that
period
of
time?
What
are
the
options
and
what
is,
if
its
military,
what
is
the
military
necessity
for
overflying
residential
communities
and
our
they're?
Not
alternatives
and
I,
can't
believe
that
there
aren't.
A
Question
in
terms
of
overflights,
particularly
in
the
evenings,
are
their
options
and
alternate
routes
that
can
be
taken
to
avoid
predominantly
residential
communities
where
the
impact
is
going
to
be
felt
and
people
are
going
to
complain,
because
if
we
have
a
choice,
I
presume
the
military.
If
you
can
take
an
alternate
route
and
the
mission
is
still
going
to
be
accomplished,
you
would
prefer
to
take
it
too.
Unless
it
doesn't,
it
can't
be
accomplished
in
that
fashion.
So,
if
I
sound
frustrated,
I
am
because
I
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about
the.
B
Value
of
this
kind
of
discussion,
specifically
with
some
of
the
examples
that
the
supervisors
brought
to
the
table,
starts
with
the
discussion.
What
what's
the
concern,
who's
doing
white,
where,
when
you
deal
with
specifically
noise
complaints,
and
not
just
in
a
washington
metropolitan
area
and
across
the
country
and
across
the
region,
it's
much
like
herding
cats.
When
you
start
that's
why,
when
the
inquiries
come
back,
you
have
a
tail
number.
B
Do
you
have
specific
times
that
type
of
information
the
supervisor
has
is
extremely
valuable:
the
date
the
time
that
perceived
altitudes,
because
the
people
that
report
this
in
a
lot
of
the
different
communities
around
the
country
and
specifically
in
the
Northeast,
some
of
them
are
a
VA
shun
experts,
most
of
them
that
do
report.
Our
aviation
have
aviation
backgrounds,
some
of
them
just
report
anything.
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
our
time
trying
to
sort
through
what
that
type
of
information
is.
Who
was
there
routed
to
the
appropriate
agency
or
flight
standards?
B
If
it
looks
like
a
unsafe
operation
or
if
it
son
scheduled
or
the
it
might
have
been,
you
know
and
I'm,
just
speculating
cuz
I,
don't
know
either
I'm
like
you
know
it
might
have
been
an
accident
on
495
or
something
like
that.
Medevac
and
those
type
of,
but
with
that
type
of
information
we
can
be
responsive.
B
The
expectation
that
I
get
from
a
lot
of
the
communities
around
the
eastern
region
is
that
we
continue
with
the
dialogue
the
absolute
expectation
of
the
individual
inquiry
of
getting
an
individual
response
when
you're
dealing
with
1300
or
1400
on
a
holiday
weekend
up
in
the
Northeast
someplace.
Is
that
when
you,
when
we
spend
anywhere
between
40
and
$100,000
of
our
taxpayers,
money
and
might
pay
taxes
too
by
the
way
to
research,
this
with
flight
tracks
and
whatever
we
find
out
that
you
know
sixty
percent
of
them.
B
These
noise
complaints
are
from
four
percent
of
the
people
that
just
don't
like
helicopters.
They
don't
want
them
there
for
any
reason.
Whatever
helicopters
I'm
a
fixed-wing
pilot
myself
over
4,000
hours
and
I
have
the
greatest
admiration
for
helicopter
pilots
because
believe
me,
that's
a
hard
thing
to
keep
flying
and
you
have
to
be
extremely
skilled
and
to
do
that,
notwithstanding
the
levels
of
operations
they
operate
at.
So
when
we
have
meetings
like
this
and
we
interact
and
we
bring
these
people
to
the
table,
our
ears
are
wide
open.
Our
eyes
are
wide
open.
B
We
want
to
see
we
want
to
hear
we
want
to
interact
and
if
there
are
changes
that
that
can
happen
or
will
happen
or
just
refreshing
of
the
dialogue
about
the
roots
and
the
alternatives
were
open
for
that
discussion.
So
if
someone
puts
an
inquiry
in
from
the
supervisors
office,
we
want
to
be
in
the
position
from
the
FAA's
perspective
and
the
military
and
and
the
cooperating
agencies
to
fill
your
head
with
enough
information
to
do
the
initial
response.
B
Any
further
inquiries
that
make
you
smart
enough
to
come
to
us
with
specific
recommendations
and
such
so
the
individual
inquiry
who
gets
a
response
that
says
well.
Did
you
get
a
tail
number?
What
time
was
it
was
the
date?
That's
not
flippant.
That
allows
us
to
the
pinpoint
where
to
look
and
when
and
to
engage
the
appropriative
federal
agency
and
working
together
in
a
response.
If
it's
something
we
can't
tell
you,
we
will
just
say
you
know
or
I
made
you
sit
up
here
and
get
yelled
at
for
for
a
good
reason.
I'll
just
say.
B
C
C
I
can
speak
from
personal
experience
that
over
that
period
of
time,
I
personally-
and
this
is
not
a
total
collection
of
all
of
the
incidents
that
I
personally
reported
over
350
incidents
where
helicopters
were
not
were
flying
off
route
and
I
sent
those
emailed
those
inquiries
or
those
incidents
to
mr.
laser
at
the
FAA
and
then
Colonel
room
Ali.
Who
was
the
designated
point
of
contact
back
in
March
of
2007?
C
He
also
got
served
and
then
he
moved
on
and
then
Colonel
Gerold,
leto
ease
came
on
and
she
moved
on
and
then
I
guess
you're
the
latest
of
the
one
that
has
that
responsibility
now,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
there
wasn't
any
dialogue
since
march
of
2007.
You
would
report
these
incidents
and
you
never
hear
anything
like
the
end.
Some
of
the
like
Don
car
was
been
very
helpful
and
responsive
in
trying
to
be
responses.
I
don't
have
any
control,
I
just
filed
them
in
the
circular
file.
D
You
bring
an
incredible
point
that
I
think
it
was
discussed
in
the
outside
about
that.
Just
before
we
came
in
it
is
what
is
the
entry
point
to
gather
information?
It
is
not
the
Military
District
of
Washington,
we
are
one
component
of
about
thirteen.
Other
tribes
are
out
there
portion,
but
I
think
is.
It
is
prudent
tonight
to
make
couple
decisions
decision
ber
one
it
is.
Who
is
the
entry
point
and
decision
number
two
is
when
a
complaint
comes
in.
Who
is
going
to
answer
that,
in
behalf
of
the
thirteen
other
tribes
I
know.
F
F
G
G
We'll
take
a
look
at
that
and
then,
if
it's
a
number
ones
recency,
if
we
can
get
it
really,
quick
will
call
down
and
we'll
talk
to
people
at
80
°c
and
we'll
ask
a
couple
questions
on
the
aircraft
and,
of
course,
mainly
as
it
was
mentioned
by
mr.
laser.
If
it's
inside
certain
area
absolutely
positive
control,
we
know
exactly
who
was
there
and
they
were
there
for
a
reason
and
that
pretty
much
ends
it
for
us
because
they
were
there.
G
F
G
If
they
were
that
in
accordance
with
the
regulations,
so
if
we
had
some
questions
about
in
that
area,
but
what,
if
the
helicopters
weren't
on
the
route
there,
that's
a
violation:
okay,
well
and
actually
it's
still
under
the
positive
control
of
HTC.
So
if
they're
authorized
deviation
or
they're
moving
them
off
of
route
for
certain
reasons,
the
routes
are
there
to
help.
Because
again
you
know
that
the
main
reason
we're
all
here
is
because
we
want
to
fly
neighborly.
G
We
want
to
pick
routes
as
it
was
discussed
that
go
over
roads,
but
occasionally
for
some
other
hazards.
You
may
have
to
deviate
off
of
route
so
we'll
go
in
and
we'll
plot
it
and
again
will
determine
who
is
flying,
and
if
it's
something
that
we
can
provide
feedback,
we
will.
We
have
contact
with
the
military
and
if
we
know
which
aircraft
it
was,
then
we
can
call
and
will
actually
give
them
some
feedback.
Because,
again
again,
the
bottom
line
is
that
everybody
wants
knows
we
got
to
operate
in
the
area
we
out.
G
F
When
you
collect
the
data
over
a
period
of
time,
you
begin
to
see
a
pattern
either.
A
pattern
of
the
deviation
always
happens
in
the
same
place,
because
that's
where
the
traffic
controller
is
comfortable,
telling
people
to
go
or
it's
a
particular
service
or
any
number
of
things
can
contribute
to
a
pattern
and
I
guess
fundamentally,
I
think
that's
what
we're
all
kind
of
looking
at
are
wondering
about
is.
Do
you?
Do
you
look
at
that
data
for
patterns
just.
G
H
I
Due
process
or
complaints,
the
education
I
will
highlight
that
you
know
we
take
very
seriously.
We
are
our
good
neighbors
respect
your
concerns.
I,
have
all
your
complaints,
sir
and
I,
have
the
one
I
was
submitted
today
under
349
at
four
or
five
this
afternoon,
a
portion
of
my
office
community
relations,
mr.
Ron
McClendon,
is
the
one
you
did
not
along
with
and
I've
been
included
on
as
well
takes
each
one
of
your
complaints
and
we
socialize
that
between
myself
and
Tom
Koehler
over
at
Fort
Belvoir.
I
I
Claudia
mentioned
exploration
is
not
lost
in
a
circular
file,
it
is,
is
his
law,
it
is
okay,
it
is
not
lost
in
the
circular
file,
it
is
logged
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
is
we
always
want
to
take
a
look
at
what
the
complaint
was
when
it
happened
and
see?
If
we
can,
we
can
get
better
across
the
across
each
one
of
our
agencies.
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
understood
with
your
complaint
specifically
and
in
everyone's
that
it
is
not
just
loss
and
as
far
as
turnover
goes,
we've
got
civilians
in
place,
both
in
in
Fort
Belvoir
and
in
my
office
that
have
been
there
for
quite
a
while,
and
they
are
all
familiar
with
the
process
that
we
use
to
to
research,
confirm
mitigate
report
log
and
then
share
that
amongst
our
partners
and
and
then
they
take
it
very
seriously.
So
I
just.
J
Wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
clear
on
that.
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
I
heard
what
Colonel
Manning
said
and
I
think
I
know
what
what
message
he's
trying
to
convey,
but
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
how
it
was
received
when
he's
referring
to
is
he's
confirming
whether
the
army
operations
are
part
of
that,
as
you
just
pointed
out,
general
horse
does
not
have
the
command
authority
over
the
Marines
or
the
Air
Force,
so
I.
J
Think,
first
of
all
the
point
is
we
need
get
this
at
the
right
level
and
maybe
that's
not
general
horse
for
getting
the
other
services
involved
here.
But
what
he's
referring
to
is
that
response
time
is
to
confirm
or
deny
whether
it's
one
of
us
and
I
guess
I
would
just
share
with
you
I
understand
what
cromer
Molly
said
my
predecessor
twice
removed
and
what
commitment
he
had
and
all
I
can
say
is.
J
He
must
have
a
big
heart,
but
when
I
heard
that
from
Colonel
Liu
deweese
when
I
first
came
on
board
about
a
month
ago,
my
eyes
guys
big
as
saucers
and
the
reason
they
got,
that
big
was
I
realized
that
he
didn't
have
that
control.
He
doesn't
have
that
insight
and
he
doesn't
have
the
information
to
research
to
respond
to
your
question
in
a
manner
that
you
want,
but
I
guess.
J
So
what
I
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
for
whatever
curl
Manning
conveyed
to
use
be
interpreted
as
we
have
that
insight
under
the
other
services,
because
we
just
don't.
We
have
insight
into
with
12th
battalion
and
my
assets
at
12th,
battalion
and
Davis
career
field
and
the
US
Army
priority
are
transported
Andrews,
which
was
really
nice.
Not
the
issue
for
tonight.
So
I
just
wanna
make
sure
that
was
clear.
H
H
We
don't
have
an
office
or
an
organization
or
an
entity
or
the
staffing
to
to
do
anything
other
than
look
at
safety
violations
and
when
those
are
the
things
that
we
pursue
and
when
we
take
a
highly
skilled
employee
and
have
them
spend
several
hours
or
days
investigating
an
incident
that
has
safety
bearing
that's.
That's
very
critical.
H
But
unfortunately
that's
we're,
not
that's
not
in
our
role.
That's
not
a
bit.
That's
not
a
position
that
I
hold
number
one,
but,
more
importantly,
is
if
we
snapshot.
If
we
took
a
snapshot
of
a
week
or
two
weeks
in
all
likelihood,
we
could
capture
what
happens
in
this
airspace
and
speak
to
that
generically.
But
I
will
tell
you
right
now
that
the
aircraft
they're
operating
and
specific
I
can't
tell
you
about
those
aircraft.
I.
F
H
But
if
we
can
pull
together
and
look
at
the
generic
footprint,
that's
going
on
in
the
Washington
Metro
with
the
appropriate
operators,
and
we
can
bring
them
to
the
table,
then
what
we
can
really
get
out
of
that
is
here
are
the
hot
spots.
So
as
best
you
can
avoid
those
hot
spots
or
if
you
can
choose
between
going
this
route
and
this
route,
then
don't
always
go
on
this
one
take
take
a
little
variable
there.
I
want
to
point
out
also
that
all
the
operations
are
conducted
in
the
metro
area
based
on
criteria.
H
That's
on
that
helicopter
chart
most
of
the
areas
of
sensitivity
inside
that
seven
mile
ring
are
identified
on
that
helicopter.
Chart
for
operators
to
stay
away
from
Arlington,
fair,
linked
in
shirlington
McLain,
all
that's
already
in
there,
but
perhaps
just
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
in
a
forum
in
a
workgroup
form
and
say:
okay,
so
here's
the
operations,
here's,
the
military
we
can
bring
in
the
law
enforcement
we
can
bring
in
the
medevac.
We
can
bring
all
those
players
together
and
and
perhaps
come
out
of.
That
was
something
meaning.
The.
C
Only
thing
I
would
common
is
that
the
word,
as
some
of
the
speakers
have
said,
dialogue
dialogue
involves
two
people
and
so
all
of
the
good
work
that
you
didn't
investigate
and
so
forth.
If
you
don't
communicate
back
to
the
complainant,
that
is
not
dialogue
and
so
I
hope.
Whatever
system
we
come
up
with
after
tonight
does
truly
set
up
a
dialogue
system
and
also
I
would
add
that
you
call
these
other
tribes.
Well,
one
of
the
tribes
that
is
a
real,
consistent
offender
of
flying
off
route
are
the
ones
with
the
white
tops.
C
The
Huey's
in
the
Black
Hawk
to
the
white
tops
and,
as
my
understanding
that
there,
the
HMX
unit,
the
Marines
that
do
it
and
where
are
the
Marines
Marines
aren't
here
tonight
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
real
problem.
Whatever
system
we
are
set
up
in
the
future,
how
to
get
these
tribes,
who
has
control
general
horse
I
guess
doesn't
have
control
what
we're
telling
to
the
Marines
to
come
here.
So
whoever
has
control
needs
as
if
set
the
DoD
level,
then
we
need
to
get
that
person
be
part
of
this
system.
Let.
F
Me
go
back
to
and
off
offer
that
mr.
laser
made
and
if
I
can
put
these
pieces
together,
because
I
I
hear
my
my
citizen
friends,
saying
every
time
I
send
in
a
complaint.
I
would
like
to
know
the
answer.
One
way
or
the
other
am
I
hearing
you
all
properly
I'm,
also
hearing
people
saying
they
don't
necessarily
have
the
staffing
to
make
sure
that
happens
and
as
a
policymaker,
myself
I'm
a
little
bit
more
concerned
about
the
pattern
than
the
occasional
one-off.
So
so,
mr.
F
laser,
if
we
were
to
take
you
up
on
your
offer,
to
pull
everybody
to
do
the
two
weeks
snapshot
and
then
to
pull
everybody
which
you
can
do,
pull
everybody
into
the
room,
the
all
the
different
branches
of
the
military,
as
well
as
the
police,
people
and
the
medevacs,
and
all
of
that
sort
of
stuff
and
and
really
sit
down
to
look
at
this.
Could
we
also
as
a
part
of
that
since,
since
all
of
the
there's
a
level
of
complaint
that
mr.
violas
office
is
getting
and
and
he's
evaluating
one
way
or
the
other?
F
H
I
think
that
I
have
to
start
that
response
to
that
off
with
and
I
don't
mean
to
sound,
lame
or
flip
or
anything
of
that
nature.
But
we
have
to
understand
what
we
think
we're
going
to
accomplish
by
doing
that.
So
it's
very
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
we're
not
likely
to
change
the
operation
inside
that
airspace.
That
I
spoke
of
we're
not
likely
to
change
the
missions
of
the
agencies
that
I
could
bring
to
that
to
that
meeting.
So
we
need
to
kind
of
have
that
understanding.
H
So
a
helicopter,
Fairfax
County
comes
with
Fairfax
one
and
flies
over
my
house
for
an
hour
at
night
with
a
spotlight
I,
pretty
much
know
what
they're
doing
and
I
don't
need
to
call
up
trif
and
tell
him
get
your
helicopter
out
because
he's
not
going
to
do
that
and
I
don't
want
him
to
do
that.
So
that
really
becomes
the
question.
H
If
I
look
at
the
route
7
route,
5
issue,
the
question
is:
what
is
the
expectation
that
we
would
do
we're
not
going
to
likely
stop
operations
on
route,
5
and
route
7
m
and
when
arlington
county
is,
is
called
in
for
airborne
assistance
to
robbery
incidents
on
place
in
the
county?
We're
not
going
to
you
know,
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
and
so
it
becomes
very
important
for
us
that
to
have
a
realistic
expectation
of
what
we
can
do
with
that.
H
If
the
expectation
is
that
we
have
a
dialogue,
okay,
not
you
firing
off
emails
and
wondering
where
they
went
a
dialogue
and
a
common
understanding
and
a
sincerity
about
concern
about
not
repeating
habits
that
we
don't
have
to
repeat
about.
You
know
scat
using
some
form
of
a
scatter
plan,
that's
all
well
and
good,
but
I
think
that
you
know
that
we
just
have
to
have
a
common
understanding
of
what
the
expectation
is
going
in.
Mr.
B
So
what
we
appear
to
be
circling
around
is
is
a
mechanism
for
dialogue
and
and
feedback
and
such
when
you
deal
with
individual
noise
complaints
or
concerns,
not
even
just
a
noise
complaint
concern
about
an
operation
or
an
inquiry
about
an
operation,
the
challenges
and
I'm
going
to
use
the
new
york
metropolitan
areas.
In
example,
you
just
quickly,
but,
alas,
six
or
seven
years
we've
been
trying
to
consolidate
data
bases
of
noise,
complaints
and
inquiries
and
those
type
of
things
you
have
the
port
authority
of
new
york
and
new
jersey.
B
We
have
the
mayor's
office,
we
have
the
FAA,
we
have
whatever
comes
into
the
FAA
at
any
level.
We
do
an
inquiry
scrub
and
say:
does
it
belong
to
flight
standards
that
belong
to
airports?
Does
it
belong
back
to
the
mayor's
office?
Does
it
belong
back
to
the
operator
of
the
airport,
who
is
really
responsible
for
the
safe
operation
of
the
airport?
In
that
particular
case,
what
a
thorough
in
new
york
and
new
jersey
we
reach
out
to
Long
Island
to
New
Jersey
across
states
and
such
so.
B
So
you
know
that
somebody
is
hearing
you
and
let
you
referenced
a
dialogue
with
some
of
the
municipalities
that
we
do
deal
with
they
like
to
keep
an
internal
when
we
deal
with
elected
officials
and
municipalities
and
whatever
we
we
come
to
these
type
of
sessions
to
to
engage
in
that
type
of
dialogue,
to
listen
to
try
to
get
the
moving
off
point
to
the
next
step.
Where
does
that
go
yet
people
do
change
processes
change!
The
situation
changed
this.
B
This
changes
on
911,
alright,
that's
and
it
does
evolve
to
some
point
but
predictability,
and
the
mission
is
that
these
gentlemen
deal
with
day
in
and
day
out,
don't
change
a
lot
so
they're
they're
there?
For
a
reason
there
are
people
and
I'm
not
being
flippant
about
this
that
like
to
become
that
would
like
to
become
email,
pen,
pals.
You
know
in
that
and
to
be
responsive
each
and
every
you
know
complaint
or
concern.
B
That's
not
what
we're
looking
to
do
with
this
we're
looking
to
take
buckets
in
business,
and
you
mentioned
hot
spots
and
start
a
dialogue
and
to
discuss
that
we
like
to
give
preliminary
information
as
well
as
overall
fact
sheets
to
the
elected
officials
and
to
the
municipalities
on
the
stuff
that
we
can
share,
so
that
you
can
make
an
intelligent
decision
of
an
initial
inquiry.
So
you
know
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
brain
power
here
tonight
and
I
hope
that
you
know
what
mr.
B
laser
and
the
military
representatives
here
and
the
tribes
that
are
not
represented
here.
I,
don't
know
it
was
the
expectation
that
you
know
and
I
took.
I
was
the
one
who
took
the
responsibility
to
round
everybody
up
so
I
said
military,
so
I
did
what
I
could,
as
far
as
you
know,
getting
his
many
as
I
could
so
if
I
miss
somebody,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
hear
about
that
right
afterwards.
You.
B
Need
to
get
in
touch
with,
but
they
don't
work
for
me
and
that's
not
an
that
sound
excuse.
That's
that's
a
reality
so
but
I
know
who
who
we
need
to
dialogue
with
after
this
to
get
the
right
people
to
the
table
if,
in
fact,
that
they're
going
to
make
a
difference
in
the
end,
the
piece
of
this
dialogue
is
to
make
a
difference
to
be
responsive
and
I'm,
going
to
say
that
again,
you
know
the
eyes
are
open.
The
ears
are
open,
but
to
mr.
B
J
I
had
to
points7
that
tag
on
to
two
themes
brought
up
here
and
that's
the
dialogue
piece
and
that's
the
expectation
management
that
mr.
laser
just
brought
up
I.
Guess
from
our
perspective,
what
we
would
ask
is,
you
know:
we've
we've
come
with
with
open
arms,
and
we've
tried
to
convey
to
you
what
we
do
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
our
operations
on
the
community
as
part
of
that
dialogue
piece.
J
What
I
would
ask
from
you
all,
as
well
as
the
representatives
for
your
for
your
communities,
is
help
us
carry
that
message
back,
because
we
can't
we
can't
always
respond
to
your
constituents
concerns
you
see
them.
First,
you
hear
from
them
first,
I
guess
what
I
would
ask.
Is
you
give
us
some
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
we
do
do
whatever
we
can
within
our
our
abilities
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
our
operations?
So
that's
that's
the
dialogue
piece
as
far
as
the
expectation
management
piece,
mr.
J
laser
laid
out
a
couple
scenarios
with
law
enforcement
operations
and
whether
the
expectation
is
that
they
have
a
legitimate
purpose
there.
My
talk
on
expectation
management
is
what's
realistic
in
terms
of
where
is
it
over
the
road?
Where
is
the
helicopter
really
at
in
relation
to
over
the
road?
You
see
a
high
level
summary
at
12
125,000
feed,
so
1
inch
equals
125,000
inches
in
reality.
J
There
will
be
times
when
they
are
off
the
road
because
they
cannot
main
perfect
sync
with
the
road
in
a
helicopter
at
that
alta.
The
rotor
disk
is
not
that
responsive
and
it's
very
difficult
to
see
exactly
where
the
twists
and
turns
are
that
maybe
only
50
or
on
your
feet
left
or
right,
especially
with
the
construction
and
the
Springfield
interchange,
especially
with
the
different
construction
zones
along
395.
J
So
I
guess
from
the
expectation
piece
help
us
get
the
message
on
what's
realistic
in
terms
of
what
does
over
the
road
mean,
the
last
piece
I
would
leave
here.
Is
it's
a
two-way
street
on
those
routes
and
we
have
got
to
maintain
a
safe
distance
from
opposing
traffic
and,
during
my
one
brief
flight
on
Friday
I
had
several
aircraft
that
were
coming,
the
opposite
direction.
You've
got
to
give
way
to
the
other
aircraft
to
allow
a
safe
passage,
and
that
means
flying
offset
of
the
road
at
some
distance.
J
C
You
just
to
come
comment
on
that.
We're
not
expecting
perfection
and
we're
not
just
talking
about,
like
mr.
glazier
says,
cutting
the
corner
between
route,
5
and
7.
We're
talking
about
helicopters
going
north
south
along
Route,
five
that
maybe
several
blocks
off
the
route
and
the
going
cross-country
I
mean
route.
70
dead
ends
into
route,
5
and
you'll,
see
helicopters
going
straight,
East
go
in
cross
country,
so
just
as
an
Arlington
residents
that
are
affected
by
their
flying
over
Alexandria
residents
and
so
I.
Don't
know
why
they
can't
why
they
go
cross-country.
C
Just
the
only
thing
that
comes
to
mind
the
experience.
So
we're
not
talking
about
fudging
the
routes
going
couple
of
block
of
feed
off
the
routes
we
can
live
with,
that
we
can
live
with
cutting
corners,
but
we
can't
live
with
with
helicopters
flying
several
blocks
off.
The
routes
are
going
cross-country,
which.
F
I
think
really
takes
us
back
to
mr.
lasers
off
offer
of
trying
to
do
this
snapshot
to
see
because
it
it's
not
just
Farrington
I
have
complaints
from
other
neighborhoods
that
are
down
there,
where
the
two
come
together
about
cutting
the
corners
and
flying
pretty
low
over
people's
houses.
So
we
need
to.
We
need
to
verify
how
often
that
happens,
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we
get
through
that
so
I
I
think
for
myself,
perhaps
for
supervisor
highs,
island
and
George
from
the
Council
of
Governments
I.
F
No
I
really.
I
do
think
I
think
that
would
do
a
lot
to
move
the
ball
and
I
and
I
I
want
to
return
to
what
I
suggested
to
you,
which
is
that
that,
as
we
bring
everybody
together,
we
start
to
think
about
about
what
the
mechanism
might
be
for
some
sort
of
regular
conversation
about
what
we're
experiencing
dialogue
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
mean
you
get
back
to
everybody
every
single
time.
B
Seeing
the
contiguous
United,
States
and
other
the
FAA
regulations
are
paramount,
that's
what
they
that's,
so
they
follow
military
and
such
so.
To
that
again,
you
know:
I'll
make
a
commitment
to
work
with
the
people
sitting
here
today
and
the
Council
of
Governments
to
explore
the
possibility
of
some
continued
more
formalized
dialogue,
whatever
that
turns
into
so
and
I'll
get
and
Rick
you.
F
Laser
one
thing
that
you
said
in
your
presentation
gave
me
a
thought:
you
mentioned
that
at
night,
when
the
traffic
is
less
and
I
know
that
at
national,
that
means
kind
of
after
ten,
it's
often
possible
for
helicopters
to
fly
higher
and
I.
Think,
it's
probably
fair
to
say
we
get
more
complaints
at
night
than
any
other
time
from
our
citizens.
So
I'm
just
wondering
again
a
topic
for
our
conversation
might
be
whether
those
ceilings
can
go
up
some
at
night,
because
you
said
the
fly
friendly
program
does
tell
people
to
drive.
H
At
the
top,
if
I
may,
I'm
actually
excited
to
take
point
on
this
and
I
don't
usually
volunteer
for
too
many
things.
This
current
line
could
say,
but
there's
a
couple
things
that
I
wanted
to
make
very
clear.
I
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
all
the
operators
that
are
not
here,
because
I've
been
working
with
all
of
those
operators
for
a
lot
of
years
and
for
whatever
disconnect
reason.
H
H
Is
we
do
that
every
year
anyway,
so
I'm
just
going
to
pull
them
together
on
a
special
event
for
a
different
reason,
and
we
just
need
to
work
together
on
how
how
that's
going
to
shape
up
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
package
that
we
can
then
take
out
and
and
share
with
the
community
and
I.
Think
that
it's
important
that
we
try
to
to
come
up
with
a
vehicle
where
we
do
that
in
an
ongoing
status.
H
You
know,
as
we've
been
at
how
many
of
these
over
the
years,
if
the
point
is,
is
that
we
don't
need
to
wait
until
things
bubble
up
to
a
problem
before
we
try
to
go
out
and
do
community
outreach
and
talk
about
what's
going
on
and
what
can
we
do
differently?
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
is
for
route
7
and
route
5,
but
if,
but
if
the
community
says,
we
think
that
you
should
fly
100
yards
south
in
May
and
100
yards
north
in
April.
H
Okay,
we
could
probably
do
that
so
so
that's
the
important
part
of
having
the
community
involved
is
that
we
put
down
things
that
we
think
are
the
best
to
serve
the
operation
and
to
serve
the
community,
but
the
community
certainly
has
to
have
a
voice
in
that
so
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
doing
that
and
I,
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
the
faa
in
a
washington
district.
We
will
support
whatever
the
community
needs.