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we
have
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attendees
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would
like
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provide
comment,
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will
acknowledge
speakers
in
the
team's
chat.
Please
indicate
in
that
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what
you'd
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provide
comment,
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of
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attending
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following
by
in-person
attendees,
when
virtual
attendees
are
called
upon.
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C
So
we're
going
to
start
the
agenda
off
tonight
with
a
short
summary
and
presentation
from
Mr
Hogan.
He
has
a
series
of
text
amendments
that
he's
in
the
beginning
stages
of
of
working
on,
and
this
is
a
bit
of
a
this-
is
somewhat
unique.
Although
it's
on
the
work
plan,
we
have
a
set
of
amendments
that
have
that
we've
known
about
for
years
and
and
I
think
Cliff
is
going
to
hint
at
that,
a
little
bit
that
are
that
are
more,
not
necessarily
policy
oriented,
more
Technical
and
administrative
in
nature.
C
We've
sort
of
finally
harnessed
the
forces
to
do
so,
and
we
wanted
to
give
zoko
an
introduction
and
a
preview
of
what
will
be
to
come
later
in
the
year
and
it
gives
Cliff
some
face
time
with
some
of
our
planning,
Commissioners
and
so
just
a
very
quick
no-nonsense
and
and
and
I
guess,
I'll
just
turn.
Things
is
already
to
euclip.
B
Ethnic
said
with.
B
Division,
and
essentially
like
this
is
I
guess
way
to
look
at.
It
is
kind
of
like
a
new
line
of
business
for
remembrance.
Somebody
came
to
like
the
commercial
resiliency,
and
that
was
sort
of
currently
coming
through,
and
the
difference
I
would
say
is
that
these
amendments
are
as
negative,
very
technical,
old
days
errors
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
They
are
impractical
cross
references.
They
are
inconsistencies
with
different
codes
and
regulations.
B
Conflicting
regulations
like
very
technical
that
come
about,
like
primarily
from
the
historic
designing,
coordinates
permits,
render
determinations.
You
know
through
meetings
with
employers
and
developers
and
just
kind
of
these.
B
B
There
are
errors
which
are
basic
mistakes.
These
are
the
must
have
a
little
errors
that
you
know,
spelling
grammatical,
cross-references
errors
and
diagrams
and
illustrations.
B
Making
the
Zone
accordance
conforming
Virginia
various
plans
and
policies
that
the
county
has
in
place
or
things
as
simple
as,
like
you
know,
the
renaming
of
the
highway
to
Livingston
Boulevard,
there's
some
references
to
see
Highway
and
there's
anywhere.
That's
that
is
no
longer
really
relevant.
The
next
category
we
call
Corrections.
B
And
then
the
fourth
are
what
we
call
deficiencies-
and
these
are
amendments
that
are
like
the
regulations-
are
problematic
to
administer
practical
or
an
interpreter
scheme.
B
These
would
potentially
have
you
know.
Potential
policy
divisions
like
the
higher
degree
than
I.
Probably
shouldn't
started
like
like
the
potential
and
like
potential
positive
impacts
of
these
four
categories:
kind
of
go
off,
starting
with
like
really.
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B
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
I
mean
I
can
give
you
examples
of
each
continent.
B
Okay,
so
like,
if
the
fish
and
I
probably
should
the
between
like
like,
are.
F
B
Conceptualize,
how
we're
going
to
move
this
book
of
work
through
like
the
legislative
process
and
so
like
there
could
be
back
and
forth
as
far
as
like
when
you
know
what
you
know
like,
we
may
have
it
as
a
correction
now,
but
then,
when
we
go
to
approach
it,
we
could
potentially
well
that's
more
of
a
deficiency,
and
you
know,
and
then
these
two
could
also
potentially
be
moved
on
to
other
larger
amendments
for
policy
studies
and
so
forth.
B
So,
like
I
mean
some
of
the
corrections
that
are
on
the
list
are
going
to
be
actually
resolved
through
the
peripherals
that
sort
of
the
commercial
University
Amendment.
So
you
know
when
there's
opportunities
to
do
that.
You
know
we
take
that
route,
but
things
that,
like
like
a
lot
of
these
things,
a
lot
of
the
items
on
the
list
are,
you
know,
article
3,
which
covers
the
whole
placement,
Vault,
building
type
setbacks,
and
all
that
again
they
just
don't
come
up.
B
So,
okay,
so
we
have
a
section
in
order
to
read
that
talks
about
accessory
the
tactics
accessory
buildings
for
one
family
in
our
district,
you
basically
can
have
your
tax
accessory
building
in
the
required
rear
size
setbacks,
but
it's
contingent
upon
the
size
of
the
building,
the
height
of
the
building
and
the
focus.
So
if
you're
building
is
one
and
a
half
stories
or
25
feet
or
less,
and
it
has
a
footprint,
it's
six
six
hundred
square
feet
very
nice.
B
D
B
Have
that
accessory
building
up
to
one
foot
off
of
the
rear
itself,
then
we
also
have
a
regular
student
systems.
If
you
have
a
two-story
attached
success
rate
building,
you
can
be
10
feet,
two
I'm,
sorry,
two
or
more
stories
you
can
be,
but
we
don't
have
a
category
between
what
do
we
do
with
one
and
a
half
story?
Building
that
has
800
square
foot.
You
know
so
right
now.
It's
like
they
need
to
meet
the
current
regulations
for
Republican
structures,
which
is
which
is
the
same
as
for
main
building.
B
So
it's
25
feet
from
over
here,
eight
or
ten
from
the
size.
It's
it's
that's
kind
of
an
example
of
the
deficiency.
You
know-
and
this
is
an
artifact
of
just
like,
like
the
various
amendments
that
have
gone
on
over
the
past
60
plus
years-
and
you
know
the
ordinance
so
like
a
deficiency
would
be
kind
of
resolving
these.
Like
conflicts
and
stuff.
You.
B
And
they
you
know
they
ask
us.
Well,
can
I
put
my
own
attached
Studio,
you
know
it's
like
you
know,
it's
like.
We
need
to
basically
tell
them
and
you
need
to
find
like
if
we
were
a
lot
alive
and
said
well,
but
if
I
have,
if.
B
Example
of
the
definition
s
Corrections.
B
So
realistically,
that's
not
really
a
setback
requirement
it's
more
of
an
performing,
so
it
really
should
probably
be
in
article
16
was
about
9
authorities
and
then
there's
also
potentially
like
do
we
need
to
keep
this
regulations?
Look
you
know
so
that
would
be
kind
of
interesting
too.
K
You
mentioned
modifications
that
would
make
us
more
aligned
with
Virginia
code
now.
I
know
for
other
aspects
of
Arlington
County
Virginia
code
is
less
strict
than
Arlington's
code
because
we
want
people
to
do
better
Dave.
Here,
for
example,
we
have
stricter
policies
for
daycares
compared
to
Virginia.
So
are
we
lowering
our
standards
in
areas
where
we
might
where
people
might
say?
No?
Actually,
where
are
we
raising
the
standards?
Because
Virginia
state
has
like
done
better
with
some
of
your
aspects
of
zoning
than
we
have
or
it's.
B
More
so
the
I
mean
Virginia
is
a
developmental
State
because
which
means
that
all
of
our
authorities,
like
the
authority
to
create
its
own
Origins
and
of
course
it
is
right
through
Us
by
the
state.
So
the
code
of
Virginia
has
like
certain
regulations
that
you
know
say
like
you
need
to.
If
you're
going
to
have
a
zoning
ordinance,
you
need
to
allow
them
to
pull
that
up.
B
So
I
mean
like
as
an
example,
I
guess
back
in
2012
2016,
the
kind
of
restaurant
they've
made
it
the
Zone
who
allowances
for
telecommunications
for
small
cell,
but.
B
B
Were
instilled
this
Telecom
throughout
and
it's
a
very
useful
and
it
requires
the
kind
of
care
to
use
from
itself.
For
the
you
know
the
past
like
say:
five
six
years,
you
know
this
is
how
we've
been
following
the
code,
which
it
really
should
be
updated.
B
Update
like
cars
are
anywhere
just
to
reflect
that,
so
that's
the
kind
of
like
what
I
guess,
the
the
update
again
another
one
would
be
again.
Non-Conformities
like
there
are
other
houses
for
the
building
structure.
That
is.
B
K
K
B
Mean
practically
speaking,
like
I
mean
zoning
or
the
zoning
ministry
will
follow.
What
could
origin
Ally
Telecom?
You
know
somebody
equipped
to
come
and
look
at
our
organs.
No,
it
says
here
that
you
need
to
have
a
permit.
We
want
to
build
this,
we
can
talk
about
facility,
you
know
people,
it's
just
it
just
makes
it
makes
it
clearer
forever.
If
it's
just
sorry,
that's.
A
E
C
C
B
I
E
Almost
strikes
me
that
the
first
category
we're
clearly
a
type
of
where
it's
a
dispelling
grammatical
error
that
should
be
done
administratively
or
Minister,
really
that
it
should
even
have
to
go
through
a
process
like
this
since
they're
so
clearly
errors.
There
should
be
a
process
where
you
can
just
immediately
once
a
year,
bring
them
to
the
county
board
on
the
consent,
agenda
and
say
yeah
and
not
have
to
go
through
this.
The
other
categories
I
get
that
they're
a
little
more
yeah
that
you
really
want
to
have
other
eyes
is.
E
B
D
D
B
B
So
we're
hoping
like
the
further
errors
batch
and
potentially
maybe
a
proportion
of
the
updates
we
wanted
to.
That
would
be
approximately
25
and
it's
all
available
we're
hoping
to
bring
that
through.
As
the
first
batch.
K
B
B
A
C
What's
your
next
item
next
item
is
the
storm
water
management,
zoning
study
and-
and
it's
also
your
last
item
so
Mr
chair
I'll-
be
your
lead
presenter
on
this
tonight,
but
my
hope
is
that
we
keep
it
fairly
conversational.
So
there
may
be
times
where
I'll
invite
my
my
other
colleagues
to
perhaps
elaborate
or
provide
some
additional
examples
or
fill
in
some
of
the
blanks
that
I
may
have
left
of
for
you
all.
C
But
you
know
this
is
some
work
that
that
we
kicked
off
in
Earnest
towards
the
end
of
last
summer
in
2022.
Again
this
is
a
is
an
item
that
was
on
the
the
work
plan
that
Mr
fusarelli
shared
with
you
at
your
work
session
about
a
year
ago
or
so,
and
and
a
lot
of
this
work
is,
is
born.
There's
there's
a
component
about
this
related
to
stormwater
management
and
there's
a
there's,
a
component
related
to
our
public
spaces.
C
C
On
on
the
the
outcomes
and
the
programming
that
is,
is
to
be
coming
in
in
in
the
near
term,
related
to
the
flood
resilient
Arlington
initiative,
and
so
those
you
were
all
long
enough
time
residents
to
understand
the
incredible
flooding
that's
occurred
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods
depicted
on
the
slide
here
on
the
right
climate
change
increased
frequently.
C
It
was
frequency
of
storage,
increased
intensity
of
storms,
and
the
response
has
been
the
flood
resilient
Arlington
initiative,
specifically
the
that
second,
that
second
bullet
there
related
to
the
first
bullet,
rather
related
to
the
new
types
and
locations
for
capacity
projects.
That's
what
we're
really
focusing
on
this
evening.
So.
C
Right
so
so,
there's
a
couple
different
points
of
policy
perspective
to
to
familiarize
the
Commissioners
on
the
first
was
obviously
flood.
Brazilian
Arlington
we
have
this
body
of
work
mentioned
in
our
2014
stormwater
master
plan
in
particular.
I
won't
go
into
great
detail,
but
the
relevant
strategies
we've
included
on
the
slide
here
and
in
the
memo
that
accompanied
our
presentation
this
evening.
As.
D
C
As
the
public
space
master
plan,
I
want
to
highlight
on
three
just
sort
of
keep
bodies
of
of
awareness
and
consideration
that
has
been
informing
our
work.
The
first
is,
is
the
historical
positioning,
nature
and
development
of
our
Park
system.
C
So
inherently
there
is
a
demand
for
environmental
sensitivity
with
much
of
our
Park
system
number
one
number,
two:
the
population
growth,
think
of
the
work
that
that
you
hear
consistently
from
Miss
Hardy
and
Miss
Garrett
in
our
group.
The
county
continues
to
grow.
With
that
growth
of
population
growth,
there
continues
to
be
a
demand
for,
for
all
sorts
of
athletic
and
and
Leisure
space,
among
others,
and
then
also
what
we've
sort
of
colloquially
termed
emerging
Trends
in
park.
C
Design
This
is
just
a
way
of
saying
that
our
public
spaces
are
we're
trying
to
do
more
and
try
to
be
more
multi-purpose
with
our
public
spaces.
So
for
the
basketball
users,
the
pickleball
users,
the
Tai,
Chi
users,
you
can
see
I'm
kind
of
making
things
up
here,
the
folks
who
enjoy
the
natural
beauty.
The
parks
are
trying
to
do
it
a
lot
in
smaller
spaces.
C
Approximately
47
percent
of
our
parks
are
two
acres
or
less,
and
we
also
have
plans
to
grow
the
park
system
by
30
Acres
over
the
next
I
think
I
think
in
2019
we
said
20
30.
we're
in
2023
already
so
so
there
is
an
element
of
space
and
efficiency
that
you'll
hear
tonight.
I
think
Banneker
park
has
been
the
example
we've
been
using
internally.
That
illustrates
this.
The
most.
This
is
a
a
an
image
from
the
framework
plan
that
shows
all
of
the
environmental
constraints
that
went
into
that
and
then
layering.
C
On
top
of
that,
you
can
see
how,
when
we
impose
the
zoning
standards,
such
as
our
25
foot,
Street
setback
requirement,
you
can
see
how
that
play
equipment
which
ideally
is
trying
to
be
obeyed
from
Four
Mile
Run.
It's
actually,
it
ends
up
getting
pushed
back
a
little
bit
from
the
street
because
of
of
the
zoning
standard.
So
this
is
a
body
of
work.
That's
it's
a
piece
of
a
body
of
work,
that's
included
in
the
psmp
action
plan.
Again,
I
keep
coming
back
to
the
cphd
work
plan
week.
We
recognize
that.
C
There's
a
lot
here
and
there's
a
there's,
a
piece
of
this.
That's
here.
We
are
working
closely
with
DPR
on
phasing
additional
elements
of
psmp
implementation
into
our
work
plan.
You
would
much
like
the
work
from
Mr
Hogan.
You
will
be
seeing
more
of
this
coming
your
way
in
the
next
calendar
year.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
note
of
that.
What
you'll
see
later
on
one
of
the
pieces
of
feedback
that
we
got
was
well.
Why
just
this
where's
the
rest
of
it.
D
C
And
we're
we're
continuing
to
work
on
that
so
I'll
pause
here
for
any
questions
or
comments,
particularly
from
Commissioners,
but
also
from
my
colleagues.
I
C
It
comes
to
stormwater
management
facilities,
the
one
that
comes
up
the
most
that
we
talk
about
is
the
underground.
C
Vault,
this
could
be
of
various
sizes.
Commissioner,.
C
F
C
Right,
that's
right,
so
so
so
the
so
the
commission
and
and
members
of
the
public
should
know
this.
This
is
and
help
me
out
we're
we're
close
to
being.
H
Done
basically,
the
vaults
are
done,
they
are
re-rading,
the
company
they've
covered
them
into
soil,
they'll,
be
installing
sod.
Soon
we
were
waiting
for
weather.
You
know
this
spring
to
put
the
soda
so
now
that
facade
will
go
in
and
you
know
beginning
of
March,
and
then
you
know
we're
just
gonna
be
doing
some
pipe
connection,
work
to
kind
of
finish.
Everything
off
and.
F
F
Only
one
yeah
there's
like
a
little
temporary
parking
lot
there
yeah,
that's
great
and
Eileen.
Is
this
like?
How
will
we
share
this
with
the
public?
Because
you
know
this
neighborhood
was
so
badly
impacted
by
the
floods
a
couple
years,
so
they'd
probably
be
thrilled
to
know
wow
look.
The
county
is
being
proactive.
H
H
Process,
you
know,
obviously,
to
communicate
about
the
project
and
the
construction
and
all
the
activities.
We
did
actually
have
a
few
of
the
neighborhood
leaders
toward
the
votes.
F
H
H
H
There
are
smaller
vaults,
a
lot
of
them
serve
sort
of
a
single
site.
You
know
and
yeah.
E
E
H
This
is
definitely
the
largest.
You
know
for
a
public,
Vault
and
I
think
we
haven't
gotten
final
confirmation,
but
it
may
even
be
one
of
the
largest
in
the
Mid-Atlantic
area.
That's
what
we
had
heard
for
a
while
from
storm
track,
but.
H
I
mean
these
are
really
good
and
Liz
can
jump
in
here
as
well.
But
you
know
these:
this
type
of
infrastructure
is
built.
You
know
for
50
70
years,
I
mean
this
really.
You.
G
E
H
Is
a
maintenance
yeah?
We
will
have
a
contractor,
do
maintenance
and
that
was
planned
with
the
Vault.
There
are
manholes
access
manuals
on
the
top
and
those
will
you
know
they'll,
be
you
know
as
part
of
the
the
field,
but
you
know
they'll
be
able
to
access
that.
So
we'll
have
I,
don't
know
exactly
the
schedule,
but.
H
Yeah
yeah
I
think
they'll
use
like
a
suction
vacuum.
You
know
we
do.
We
do
similar
work
in
the
storm
drain
inlets
and
things
like
that.
Okay,
yes,.
I
Hi
maintenance
questions.
We
also
have
a
time
lapse.
Photograph
on
the
website
of
it's
a
video
of
showing
the
whole
construction
process.
H
H
Will
be
on
top,
the
playground
is
kind
of
between
this
and
the
school,
so
the
playground
is
is
was
finished
and
is
open,
and
that
was
the
important
point
for
this
project.
Was
we
didn't
want
to
delay
the
school
or
the
playground?
So
we
know
that
was
you
know.
Obviously,
a
huge
yeah
well
done.
Yeah
everything's
functioning.
A
Apply
into
the
school
thing,
just
an
educational
sort
of
opportunity
here
for
the
community.
You
know
anything
that.
B
J
A
H
E
H
F
Yeah
that
kind
of
Leo's
comment
about
the
education,
also
thinking,
because
at
one
point
you
were
a
little
girl
wondering
what
you're
going
to
do
like
I
always
want
our
kids
in
the
schools
to
be
thinking
broadly
like.
Oh,
this
is
a
field.
I
might
be
interested
in
going
into
or
green
infrastructure
that
sort
of
thing
yeah.
That's
really
that'd
be
wonderful.
If
we
can
include
that
as
well.
H
H
B
C
B
I
Right
it's
one
of
the
largest
faces
at
precast,
concrete
it
probably
on
the
Mid-Atlantic
States,
possibly
even
the
East
Coast,
and
you
know
Arlington.
We
are
looking
at
other
sites
and
other
watersheds,
but
probably
none
of
them
will
be
quite
as
large
as
this
one,
and
you
know
the
truth
is
they're
you're.
Not
you
can't
see
it
now.
Even
now
it's
pretty
much
buried.
You
know
you
don't
see
anything
except
the
manholes
right
now.
So
people
won't
know
they'll
have
a
baseball
field.
On
top,
they
aren't
really
going
to
know
it's.
There.
K
Of
you
know
we
are
trying
to
be
really
ambitious
with
our
community
energy
plan
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
you
know
universities
that
might
study
this
sort
of
stuff
would
be
looking
at
Arlington
as
a
case
study,
because
I
don't
know
how
that
you
know
makes
it
into
Academia.
A
A
C
One
I
said
conversational
and
and
I'm
getting
exactly
what
I
asked
for
so
so
the
underground
detention
vaults
are
not
the
only
facility
that
Des
is
considering
the
other.
There
are
several
others,
including
various
types
of
Overland
relief
measures,
providing.
D
C
E
What
I
want
to
know
is:
is
there
a
way
to
have
Overland
relief
measures
that
a
land
could
also
be
used
when
it's
not
flooding
for
recreational
purposes?
I
mean
more
than
just
having
a
path
alone.
Sure
you
know
is
there
a
way
we
could
have
a
very
simple
playground
or
have
a
bocce
court,
or
you
know
things
like
that.
Could
that
be
part
of
the
Overland
belief?
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
this
is
a
right
now,
fairly
controversial
area
of
the
landlines
Boulevard.
If
I
Spout,
Run.
D
E
And
we're
trying
to
create
a
situation
where
we
can
have
Overland
relief
at
that
intersection,
but
it
would
mean
lot
consolidation
and
incentive
to
do
that,
because
it's
private
property
and
County's
not
going
to
take
it.
So
how
do
we
incentivize
the
private
sector
to
allow
something
like
this
on
its
property?
You
know
this
is
what,
but
could
it
be
done
that
it
isn't
simply
Overland
relief?
It
also
will
be
providing
park
space
usable
park,
space.
F
What
about
the
park
by
Westover
that
seems
to
have
been
designed
to
accommodate
overflow
water?
Do
you
know
what
the
name
of
that
one
is
it's
behind
the
school?
Maybe
a
block
or
two
yeah
I
know
which
one
you're
talking
about,
and
it's
it's
got
a
like
almost
looks
like
a
bio
retention
area
built
around
the
play
area.
F
I
F
I
I
There's
we
looked
at,
we've
been
kicking
around
a
lot
of
different
ideas
and
eventually,
when
we,
when
we
acquire
some,
when
we
have
enough
space
like
that,
we
we
we,
we
didn't,
engage
a
consultant
to
help
us
come
up
with
a
good
plan.
K
Just
a
quick
follow-up
to
what
my
colleagues
were
mentioning.
Do
you
all
study
what
other
countries
are
doing
in
this
area
and
I
say
this
because
I
lived
in
Singapore
for
a.
D
K
The
monsoons
and
they're
also
a
a
very
densely
packed
area
on
a
very
small
amount
of
land
and
so
I
wonder
if
there's
any
lessons
that
we
could
learn
from
a
country,
that's
similar
to
our
County,
and
then
that
has
been
dealing
with
massive
amounts
of
rain
seasonally.
For
you
know
ever
yeah,
since
hundreds
of
years
I
mean
they've
only
been
developing
as
a
country
for
seven
years,
I.
A
I
We
had
two
I
think
when,
after
we
had
the
floods
in
2019,
we
did
do
some
studies.
The
manager
asked
us
to
come
up
with
some
ideas
and,
and
we
we
kind
of
all
brainstormed
and
then
I
know
that
Dimitra
McBride
has
just
come
back
from
Barcelona,
so
I
would
say.
Yes,
we
look
at
what
goes
on
in
the
rest
of
the
world
and
also
the
rest
of
the
you
know
the
rest
of
the
country
for
sure.
F
For
like
Arena
I
get
concerned
whenever
it
looks
like
we're
looking
at
anything,
that's
open
space
as
vacant
or
undeveloped
when
people
actually
do
use
it.
So
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
using
the
space.
But
you
know
I
went
for
a
walk
behind
golf
Branch
yesterday
and
you
know
if
you
walk
all
the
way
up
the
hill.
There's
that
big,
you
know
area
and
that
was
meant
to
be
overflow
for
flooding
so
I.
It
looks
like
that's
sort
of
come
up
in
the
comments.
F
C
I
I
think
the
initial
I
think
the
initial
response
that
we
had
in
to
that
very
question
in
our
virtual
public
meeting.
However
satisfying
it
may
be,
was
that
oftentimes
these
are
it's
it's
hard
to
really
draw
conclusions,
Park
wide
system-wide,
county-wide
oftentimes!
It's
it's
one
of
the
the
individual
conditions
at
the
site.
What
are
the
opportunities
that
are
there
for
for
tree,
save
to
use
areas
that
have
already
been
Disturbed?
C
It's
hard
to
we're,
keeping
all
these
things
in
mind,
but
it's
hard
to
do
all
of
those
things
on
every
individual
site.
I
would
I
would
turn
things
over
to
Arena
or
island
or
others
to
elaborate
a.
H
Little
further
yeah
I
mean
some
of
these
facilities.
You
know,
could
be
underground
and
so
there's
still
the
space
on
top.
But
you
know
again
like
something
with
a
vault.
You
may
not
be
able
to
put
big
structures
and
things
on
top,
so
you
could
use
the
spaces
like
with
a
field,
so
there
may
be
some
uses
that
would
work
on
on
top
of
an
underground
facility,
but
not
it
wouldn't
be
sort
of
wide
open
and
then,
when
you
have
other
areas
like
with
this,
you
know
the
open
space.
I.
H
Think
again,
they're
they're,
you
know,
are
some
different
options,
but
you
know
you
do
need
to
think
about
that.
There's
going
to
be,
you
know,
flooding
happening
there
and
how
that
would
affect
anything
that
you
might
there.
So
is.
F
That
something
that
we
could
include
in
the
language
if
the
space
becomes
unusable,
that
we
prioritize
finding
additional
space
in
that
Community,
because
the
worst
thing
that
would
happen
is
we
have
some
communities
that
have
less
open
space
than
others,
but
where
we
know
we're
planning
to
increase
density,
I'd
hate
for
those
to
be
overly
impacted
by
something
like
this
without
having
said
we're,
keeping
an
eye
on
that,
and
that's
not
our
intention,
yeah,
and
you
know
this.
This
came
up
even
in
the
psmp.
How
do
we
prioritize
yeah.
G
H
And
you
know,
I
mean
there
may
be
a
change
in
how
the
space
is
used
so
because
I
wouldn't
again
I,
don't
think
some
of
these
would
would
sort
of
conclude
it's
it's
being
used.
Yeah.
I
I
can't
imagine
that
it
would
ever
become
totally
unusable.
Space
I
mean
the
just
the
nature
of
that
facilities
are
such
that
they
could
be
multi-purpose,
but
there
are
going
to
be
some
restrictions
because
again
you
do
not
want
people
at
risk
in
these
areas,
and
you
don't
want.
You
can't
damage
the
structure.
If
there's
an
underground
structure
you'd
have
to
you
know:
you're
limited
to
the
Foundation
depths
Etc
sometimes,
but
when
we
did
the
studies
we've
done
with.
F
C
H
F
I
don't
want
to
be
enforced,
for
the
tree
is
here
almost
literally
and
I,
given
that
there
were
some
comments
on
this
already
in
the
comments
you
know,
I
may
be
the
only
person
who's
worried
about
it.
I
I'd
also
like
to
say
that
we
do
a
pretty
extensive.
Whenever
we
do
a
project,
we
do
pretty
extensive
public
engagement
and
Outreach,
and
so
you
know
some
of
the
ones
we've
looked
at
before
like
Cardinal
school.
It
was
very
clear:
the
community
wanted
us
to
preserve
the
sledding
hill,
and
so
we
did
that
some
of
that
came
up
when
we
were
discussing
Woodstock
Park
as
sledding
hill
was
huge,
a
huge
thing
that
people
wanted
us
to
maintain
so
I
think
in
our
public
engagement
process.
I
D
I
In
some
of
these
areas,
the
water
goes
there
anyway,
you
know
I
mean
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
what's
being
used,
there
is
consistent
with
the
amount
of
you
know
for
Overland
relief
that
it
it's
consistent
with
the
fact
that
the
water
is
going
to
go
there
anyway.
But
as
far
as
the
planting
I
mean
you
know,
we
would
we're
going
to
plant
what's
responsive
to
the
community.
That
comes
out
in
the
usually
in
the
public
engagement,
and
we
do,
you
know
heavily
rely
on.
I
You
know,
native
plants,
obviously
for
an
athletic
field
that
didn't
work
out
very
well,
but
if
it's
a
Swale
and
you
know
a
and
a
drainage,
Swale
or
an
Overland
flow
path,
the
that
that
it
might
be
that
native
plants
would
be
the
way
to
up
okay
nobody's
precluding
the
use
of
native
plants.
C
So
in
your
zoko
memo
we
do
make
mention
a
couple
other
types
of
stormwater
management
facilities
that
could
be
utilized
in
some
instances.
There
could
be
examples
where
a
flood
wall
is
needed.
We
have
examples
of
some
of
those
in
the
community
already
we
could
have
some
utility
without
a
pond,
whether
it's
a
wet
Pond
or
a
dry
Pond.
That
is
a
type
of
facility
that
that
could
be
could
be
utilized.
Yes,.
E
Using
those
dry
ponds
in
a
lot
of
I
mean
there's
some
that
are
literally
the
size
of
this
table,
they're,
so
tiny,
but
they're
cool,
because
their
pocket,
you
can
put
them
in
all
sorts
of
places.
It's
like
that's
great
more.
We
can
do
that,
the
better
you
know,
I've
seen
them
in
the
medians
of
rows,
seeing
them
in
Parks
I've
seen
them
yeah.
They.
D
E
K
K
They
don't
even
pay
for
this
one
I'm
in
this
private
property,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
exists.
I
often
tell
people
in
my
neighborhood
list
or
to
look
into
accounting.
H
Programs
yeah,
it
was
this
storm
water,
wise
program,
yeah,
that
was,
it
was
cut
actually
during
the
with
the
covet
kind
of
budget
adjustments.
H
But
you
know
one
thing
we
are
looking
at
now
with
the
stormwater
utility
and
potential
change
from
order
utility.
There
may
be
credits
available
through
that
program
for
things
that
people
have
done
on
there,
the
property
as
well,
so
it's
a
little
different
but
but
simpler.
You
know.
I
But
I
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
the
zoning
requirements
that
we're
talking
about
today
are
not
for
lot
level
type
of
improvements.
We
are
trying
to
talk
about
things
that
are
going
to
serve
more
than
one
lot
in
a
in
a
region,
and
so
I
just
wanna
I
did
want
to
try
to
clarify
that
that
this
is
not
for
the
lot
level
sort
of
thing.
E
C
So
so
a
couple
of
other
examples:
there
may
be
some
instances
with
with
changes
in
topography
where
a
lift
station
may
be
needed
to
to
transport
storm
water
up
to
a
a
pipe
at
a
different
level
to
to
catch
grade.
We
do
have
pump
stations
as
part
of
the
Wastewater
system
in
about
14
locations
in
the
county,
and
so,
if
the
Eileen,
if
there's
more
commentary
on
this,
please
please
jump
in,
but
they're
all
enclosed
with
a
a
masonry
structure
similar
to
what
you're
seeing
these
are
actual
Runners
yeah.
C
These
are
actually
sites
in
Arlington,
so
so
Des
would
be
intending
if
they,
if
a
pump
station
was
needed
of
some
sort.
Des
would
be
intending
to
do
something
similar
to
what
we
would
describe
and
I.
Imagine
that
the
the
facade
elevations
would
again
be
shared
with
and
subject
to
the
community
engagement
process.
That
would
would
be
ahead
of
that
sort
of
Jim.
This
may
be
one
of
the
the
small
detention
ponds
that
you're
describing
on
Larimore
street,
but
then
there's
also
the.
E
H
Too
yeah
yeah-
that
was
you,
know
as
part
of
the
stormwater
master
plan.
You
know
almost
10
years
ago.
We
did
a
study
and
I
think
they
had
found
them.
You
know
1100
locations
and
then
we've
kind
of
narrowed
those
down
and
been
building
sort
of
the
the
more
cost
effective
ones
that
you
know
get
more
water
quality
benefit.
You
know
and
more
treatments
have.
D
E
H
So
that
retro,
those
are
included
in
the
mapping
system,
so
when
other
departments
are
doing
projects
they
can
see,
you
know
you
know
that
there
were
potential
locations
identified
there
and
we
actually
our
staff
collaborate
a
lot
with
the
neighborhood
conservation
program
and
then
also
like
if
water
source
trees
is
doing,
you
know
the
Wastewater
pipe
or
drinking
water.
Sometimes
you
know
if
they're
going
to
dig
things
up,
you
know
we'll
operate
outside.
E
H
C
So
when
it
comes
to
what's
happening
in
the
zoning
ordinance
right
now,
a
couple
things
to
just
bring
you
up
to
speed
on,
so
that
everyone
is
understanding
how
our
our
current
ordinances
are
applicable
to
this
world,
of
underground
attention,
vaults
and
and
Overland
belief
measures.
And
what
have
you
so
we
we
do
have
a
section
of
article
12
that
in
our
use
categories,
where
we
talk
about
public
utilities
and
you're,
seeing
a
screen
capture
of
the
on
the
the
right
hand
side,
we
generally
classify
them
into
two
different.
C
We
don't
have
definitions
for
these.
We
we
definitely
classify
them
in
minor
in
major
minor,
think
small
area
unmanned,
no,
no
Personnel,
a
major
utility
think
that
you
know
the
water
pollution
control
plan
is
the
classic.
As
example,
we
have
personnel
there,
it's
operating
on
a
county-wide,
possibly
even
a
24-hour
basis,
so
we
have
those
use
categories
and
and
taking
a
look
at
first
at
the
the
lower
half
of
the
screen.
This
is
the
use
table
for
our
our
districts,
our
lowest
intensity
districts.
C
C
Above
we
have
the
major
utilities
row:
that's
there
use
permit
in
s3a
a
blank
for
SD
and
a
use
permit
in
PS,
but
for
the
minor
utilities
category
we
have
no
row
there
at
all
and
when
there's
no
row
that's
equivalent
to
prohibited
it's
a
do
not
pass,
go,
don't
even
look
at
your
200,
so
so
a
clear
issue
that
this
text
amendment
is
trying
to
correct.
First
off.
C
C
Yeah
so
so,
and
I
I
know
I'm
touching
into
a
sensitive
area
per
the
commission's
conversations
about
Arlington,
Junction
Park,
but
I'm
glad
we're
having
this
conversation
so
soon.
Thereafter
that
that's
fresh
on
on
your
your
mind
so-
and
there
are
implications
with
this
from
a
stormwater
perspective,
mostly
for
the
above
ground,
not
necessarily
for
the
underground
that
the
if
it's
a
below
ground.
C
C
Have
to
be
in
the
setback,
probably
not.
That
would
be
fine
because
think
think
about
the
rules
related
to
patios
if
it's
below
eight
inches
it
can
encroach
in,
but
but
the
the
stuff
that
that's
coming
up
above,
where
this
really
gets
to
be
a
pain
point
is,
with
a
lot
of
our
Park
features.
Your
trash,
your
bike,
rack,
your
recycling,
receptacle
your
play
equipment,
your
your
dug
out
for
for
the
softball
team,
all
of
these
they're
they're
affixed
to
the
ground,
they're
considered
structures
and
they
have
to
meet
the
setbacks.
E
C
Yep,
that's
exactly
right!
That's
exactly
right!
We
mentioned
fences
previously.
This
is
this
is
an
excellent
diet.
It's
not
in
the
zoning
mortgage,
but
it's
a
it's
an
illustrative,
that's
used
for
administration
purposes
by
by
the
zoning
Division,
and
so
what
I'm?
What
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to?
C
Is
the
the
forefoot
maximum
fence
height
along
a
public
right-of-way,
as
well
as
the
three
foot
offset
that
you're,
seeing
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
along
a
side
yard
on
a
on
a
corner
lot,
and
so
so
that
those
are
two
areas:
you're
thinking
from
a
storm
water,
think
of
a
storm
Water
Management
Facility,
one
of
those
equipment
cabinets
the
enclosures.
There
may
be
an
instance
where
we'd
like
to
enclose
that
for
security
purposes
and
a
four
foot
fence
is,
is
just
not
going
to
provide
an
effective
security
barrier.
C
The
same
goes
for
on
on
the
public
space,
Side
Of,
The,
Ledger.
Think
of
all
of
of
the
whether
it's
play
equipment,
whether
it's
a
basketball
court,
whether
it's
some
of
the
examples
you
see
later,
some
of
our
Diamond
facility,
Diamond
Fields
again,
we
have
very
active
athletic
facilities
in
small
spaces
in
in
various
parts
of
the
county
and
having
a
taller
fence,
helps
contain
that
activity
or
prevent
the
ball
from
getting
into
the
street.
The
oldest
gyms,
like
I'm,
sold,
I
get
and.
E
It
won't
be
in
the
zoning
ordinance
it's
just
Das
when
they
do
build.
These
types
of
defense
takes
the
actual
design
into
account
being
like
fence
most
awful,
and
it
says
all
I
want
to
say:
there's
lots
of
good
examples
of
the
county
of
goods,
fences
and
parked
areas
that
we,
you
should
be
encouraging
and
avoiding
the
chain
lines.
Yeah.
C
I
feel
like
I'm
beating
the
dead
horse,
but
I
feel
like
if
that's
another,
where
again,
the
public
engagement
process.
C
K
D
K
K
C
F
I
think
that's
because
that's
the
site,
that's
been
so
controversial.
Of
course,.
F
C
E
E
F
Association
is
huge
and
should
be
too
they've,
had
so
much
development
with
an
outdated
plan.
They
feel
like
they're,
always
playing
catch-up
on
the
development
and
that
they're
not
getting
the
full
story.
With
with
these
taller
fences,
do
we
have
an
option
to
vegetate
them
with
Native,
Evergreen
vines
or
do
better
to
add
to
that
or
I
know?
Sometimes
we're
told?
Oh,
that's
a
bad
idea,
but
if
we're
just
keeping
something
in
and
we
don't
need
the
visibility-
that's
not
going
to
be
in
the
zoning
code,
but
if.
G
G
I
know
that
we
not
live
in
a
certain
defense
space
in
the
street,
but
we
do
have
some
wise
I,
remember,
Dawson,
theorists
who
admitted
a
project
right
over
the
playground
very
recently
A
couple
of
years
ago,
something
in
between
now,
but
before
cover
just
before
Kobe
there
was
a.
We
had
some
lines
around
Eternal
effects,
I
think
it's
a
fast
next
to
the
basketball
court
yeah
very
couple
years,
but
so
they
do
it
score
that
that's
always
our
intent
to
explore
that.
C
I
D
B
B
You
know
an
eight-foot
wall
along
a
right-of-way
that
would
make
sense,
I
I.
Imagine
you
guys,
wouldn't
so
I'm
wondering
what
is
the
problem
that
we're
fixing
you
know
beyond
the
corner
and
Beyond
the
the
setback
but
like?
Where
would
we
need
a
seven
foot
wall
along
a
public
facility
like
I'm
thinking
of
the
Virginia
Dominion
right
here
over
by
Northside
Social?
B
H
I
We
actually
we're
actually
looking
at
some
Concepts
in
some
watersheds
that
where
we
would
want
to
provide
some
Overland
relief
and
a
place
for
water
to
flow
and
then
we
might
need
to
protect
nearby
homes
with
with
a
flood
wall,
I
mean
that's
yeah.
Is
that
I
think
that's
the
answer
to
the
question
that
you're
asking
that
we
we
do
perceive
that
there
might
be
some
places
where
that
would
be
required.
So.
I
I
wouldn't
know
that
it's
channelization,
it
would
be
to
keep
I
mean
I,
guess
you
could
call
it
that,
but
it's
really
more
to
just
keep.
You
know
to
limit
the
inundation
area
so
that
it
can't
you
know,
because
some
of
these
areas
are
flat
and
they're.
They
might
be
too
wide
creating.
B
I
B
Going
to
get
to
the
14
foot
sled
wall,
but
before
we
get
to
that
there
are
this
fence
and
wall
that
we're
allowing
within
this,
like
that,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
is
it
that
we're
buying?
Isn't
it
right
like
what
are,
what
are
we
paying
for
at
the
end
of
the
day
so,
and
so
I
just
I
would
love
to
understand
a
little
bit
better.
Like
you.
D
B
Like
did
we
run
into
a
situation
where
we
wanted
to
put
a
higher
fence
or
a
higher
wall
along
18th
like,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
a
little
bit
nervous
like?
Are
we
talking
about
putting
walls
to
the
public
face?
Are
we
talking?
Okay,
so.
C
I'll
say:
I've
got
some
images
later
on
in
in
this
next
session.
That
I
I
think
will
help
spark
some
some
conversation
and
help
illustrate
what
we
go
into
and
in
narrative
in
the
memo.
But
arena
is
probably
going
to
be
much
more
helpful.
G
C
D
C
Yeah,
so
so
we
outlined
this
in
in
the
memo
you
can
kind
of
see,
I
hope,
I
haven't
buried
the
lead
too
much.
We
have
a
series
of
potential
options
that
that
we're
recommending
for
your
consideration
in
in
advance
of
your
public
hearing
we'd
love
to
get
some
feedback.
C
We
think
that
by
by
just
adding
that
Row
for
all
other
minor
utilities
making
that
buy
right
that
that
enable
that
takes
the
prohibition
issue
out
of
the
way
that
allows
Des
to
to
go
through
the
public
process
for
for
facilities
that,
quite
frankly,
have
already
been
that
are
already
in
the
CIP
and
funded
per
the
most
recent
CIP
from
from
the
board
to
continue
with
that
feasibility
work
to.
In
with
the
goal
of
establishing
stormwater
management
facilities
on
public
lands.
C
We're
talking
about
Parks,
it
could
be
a
scenario
where
there's
a
partnership
with
APS
much
like
the
Cardinal
project.
But
you
know
the
the
first
recommendation
would
be
to
make
these
adjustments
in
the
principal
use
table
for
the
public
districts.
The
commissioner
Peterson.
E
E
E
H
It's
like
a
pump
station
may
be
a
little
different.
I
mean
a
lot
of
our
projects
or
you
know,
like
you,
know,
we're
kind
of
working.
You
know
doing
more
of
the
underground
infrastructure,
so
instead
maybe.
H
C
E
C
So
so,
there's
the
adjustments
to
the
public
distributes
table
as
a
host
of
different
options
for
setbacks.
C
Now
the
the
text
it
so
itself
and
attachment
one
does
not
list
each
one
of
these
public
space
features,
but
we
wanted
we
do
list
them
in
the
memo
with
in
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
zoning
administrator
was
the
zoning
should
not
have
this
entirely
long,
explicit
exclusive
list
that
there
is
some
some
generality
there's
some
descriptiveness
with
the
zoning
language
that
we've
drafted
for
your
consideration,
to
give
some
options
to
give
some
flexibility
for
new
types
of
of
facilities
to
be
in
amenities
and
features
to
be
considered.
C
But
but
this
this
list,
which
is
here
and
which
is
in
the
memo.
This
is
what
me
what
we
mean
when
we
talk
about
accessory
structures,
encroaching
into
a
required
setback
for
ju
for
just
a
park
that
keep
in
mind
that
we've
talked
about
different
types
of
public
facilities,
but
but
everything
with
that's
in
attachment,
one
is
is:
is
dialed
in
and
scoped
related
to
either
a
stormwater,
Management
Facility
or
a
public
space.
So
a.
F
Setback
enforcement.
If
we
were
to
do
something
like
this
and
we'd
be
adding
any
of
these,
would
this
go
through
PRC
or
would
it
just
be
approved?
For
example,
if
we
were
to
add
lights,
not
true,
State
15
feet
in
height
or
add
a
structure
using
cell
cloth?
Would
that
go
through
PRC
at
least
I
mean
I?
Don't
think
you
need
a
whole
new
park
planning
class
sure.
Would
it
go
through
any
public
review
process.
G
So
I
mean
any
whenever
we
would
be
so
there
are
differences
like
if
this
is
approve
this
part
of
the
part
master
plan
or
finding
this
amenities.
Yes,
it
goes
through
the
whole
processible
with
County
Board.
There
is
a
big
public
process
surrounding
that,
if
it's
part
of
like
a
capital,
Improvement
plan
maintenance
plan
when
we
are
replacing
existing
amenity
with
the
existing.
Maybe
it's
just
up
to
the
current
standards,
for
example
like
today
that
would
go.
We
usually
bring
all
of
those
to
Pearson.
J
G
Involved
in
almost
everything,
okay,
but
that
would
also
have
a
public
process
because
we
don't
even
design
even
like
to
like
we
don't
design
any
process
without
a
public
key,
but
we
have
at
least
series
of
33
meetings
yeah.
Even
when
we're
replacing
a
playground
with
a
playground
because
they're
always
different,
we
always
you
know
right
well,.
C
E
Being
whacked
right
permanent
thing,
especially
you
know,
podcasts
were
crazy
because
it's
saying
you
can't
put
a
bench
without
getting
approval.
Well,
you
could
put
the
bench
on
the
sidewalk
by
the
bus
stop.
But
then,
if
you
move
it
five
feet
into
the
park,
you
can't
do
it
yeah.
You
have
to
move
24
feet
back
then
there's.
G
B
That
on
street
lights,
speaking
of
street
lights,
but
now
the
the-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
on
the
form-based
code,
where
we
were
supposed
to
underground
a
lot
of
those
utilities.
Okay
and
they're,
not
they're,
being
dropped
on
the
sidewalk.
So
that's
the
other
question
is
that
like
and
I'll
quote,
Mission
reviews
an
externality.
D
B
C
So
so
my
initial,
so
my
initial
reaction
is
just
thinking
about
the
subject
matter
at
hand,
the
stormwater
Management,
Facility
and
so
an
underground
detention.
Vault
is
by
its
nature,
underground.
The
above
ground
features
would
be
the
pond
if,
if
a
pond
is,
is
selected,
the
the
pump
station
and
it's
really
not
the
pumps
from
speaking
with
Des-
it's
usually
the
generator,
that's
being
enclosed
there.
C
So
as
far
when
I'm
hearing
commissioner
sarley
and
please
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm
hearing
I'm
thinking
more
of
of
like
you
know
like
electricity
lines
and
and
cable
boxes
and
other
sort
of
equipment,
cabinets
and
and
and
things
and.
B
B
D
D
H
C
I
would
well
and
another
thing
that
again
going
back
to
attachment
one
looking
at
the,
and
this
is
really
page
one
of
attachment,
one
looking
at
at
the
encroachments
that
would
be
permitted.
We're
talking
about
stormwater
facilities
right,
as
well
as
the
structures
associated
with
parks
and
so
just
kind
of
putting
my
zoning
administrator
hat
on
if
I'm
an
equipment
cabinet
associated
with
a
traffic
signal,
I'm,
not
I,
can't
and
I'm.
The
zoning
administrator.
E
E
H
B
And
then
how
much
more
presentation
slash
items
do
you
guys
have
have
we
I.
C
C
No,
that's
good,
that's
good!
So
we've
mentioned
fencing
already,
so
one
of
the
the
items
we
would
like
to
get
some
feedback
and
consideration
on
is
certainly
taller.
Fences
for
Star
modern
management
facilities
up
to
a
maximum
of
eight
feet.
High.
C
There
is
a
provision
you
saw
it
on
the
fence
diagram,
a
three
foot
setback
from
public
right-of-way
in
coordination
with
Des
that
really
the
the
thing
that's
going
to
be
above
ground,
if
necessary,
would
be
that
equipment
cabinet
that
enclosure
for
the
building,
and
so
our
Des
colleagues
feel
that
they
can
continue
to
meet
that
three
foot
offset
from
the
public
right-of-way,
and
so
we
did
not
include
that
that
that
encroachment
into
the
stormwater
management
facilities,
recommendations
now
you've
heard
a
topic
that
teached
talk
extensively
about
public
spaces.
D
C
Maximum
of
an
eight
foot
tall
fence
within
within
any
setback
and
again
that
street
setback
is
the
key
right
because
right
now
the
maximum
is
four,
but
it
would
also
be
able
to
improve.
It
would
be
taller
up
to
eight
feet,
but
it
could
also
go
within
that
three
foot
that
setback
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
text
that
we
were
able
to.
There's.
There's
some
extensive
narrative
in
the
memo
that
three
foot
setback
came
into
the
ordinance
back
in
1977
at
the
time.
C
C
The
board
increased
that
so
so
you
so
a
person
on
a
corner
lot
could
functionally
enclose
their
rear
yard
to
go
up
to
six,
but
the
the
staff
recommended
and
the
board
approved
that
that
fence
should
be
three
foot
off
the
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
to
create
more
of
a
clear
zone
for
or
pedestrians.
So
now
now,
from
a
from
a
pedestrian
and
we'll,
we
have
some
slides
that
that
get
to
this,
but
and
and
this
is
kind
of
what
I
was
alluding
to
commissioner
sarley
some
example.
C
C
Place
and
so
sometimes
there
could
be
a
low
wall
some
days
to
be
a
taller
fall
or
a
taller
fence
in
in
the
instance
of
I.
Think
that's
helped
me
out
here:
lion
Park
lion,
Village,
Park,
yeah,.
J
C
Village
Park,
where
we
have
the
the
tennis
courts
right
there,
so
there's
a
variety
of
different
conditions
where
we
have
where
we,
we
already
have
fences
and
walls,
some
of
them
quite
tall
right
near
the
the
sidewalk
and
and
if,
if
the
commission
felt
strongly
about
this
and
staff
needed
to
continue
to
work
on
this
on
some
sort.
Sort
of
offset
language,
for
example,
that
that
would
allow
for
the
fence
or
the
wall
for
a
park
to
go
right
up
to
that
sidewalk.
But
perhaps
only
in
instances
where
there's
enough
width
for
a
pedestrian.
C
D
E
With
no
obstructions
and
a
defense
goes
right
up
to
it,
I
want
to
be
careful,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
really
really
narrow
sidewalks
in
this
County
that
are
really
so
standard
and
I
want
to
be
very,
very
careful
about.
We
don't
inadvertently
discourage
people
from
losing
those
sidewalks
or
create
a
situation,
because
halfway
down,
there's
a
power
pole
sitting
right
in
the
middle
of
that
sidewalk.
So
the
space
between
the
fence
and
the
bearable
is
this:
why
can.
F
J
D
C
B
To
that
but
sort
of
just
opening
up
this
eight
foot,
tall
fence
or
wall
I'm,
unsure
as
to
when
we
would
use
like
I,
understand
the
two
foot
wall
I
understand
even
a
four
foot
wall
right,
if
there's
a
latching
Court
behind
it
or
something,
but
you
can
still
participate
in
that
space
once
you
start
to
get
above,
four
you're
now
segregating
the
the
public
spaces.
You
know
right.
E
G
It
so
I
mean
this
is
my
interpretation
and
I
I'm,
obviously
I'm
looking
at
it,
but
these
these
design
details
we
always
pay
attention
to
that.
That
is
the
most
important.
We
don't
just
look
at
the
park
and
we
see
the
park
from
the
inside.
We
always
we
are
very,
very
careful
how
we
plan
the
outside,
how
that
part
is
going
to
interact,
we
strength
with
our
users,
because
Cruisers
are
going
to
be
coming
to
the
park
on
that
way.
G
G
Such
as,
for
example,
dog
parks
and
Community
Gardens,
their
standards
are
that
we
need
higher
offenses.
E
F
E
G
I
don't
know,
but
if
they
would
do
that
in
the
park
design,
we
would
do
that
only
if
you
don't
have
any
other
choice.
If
it's
like
a
topography,
we
would
never
have
a
wall
hiding
our
parts
as
a
part
of
the
design
just
having
there
I,
don't
think
at
one
instance
in
the
county,
at
least
in
newer
designs,
where
we
had
that.
So
that
would
never
be
our
attention
to
just
provide
the
wall
there
to
separate
the
part
from
the
street.
E
D
G
And
I
think
I
I
mean
I
completely
agree
with
that,
and
that
is
something
that
that
gets
resolved
in
some
ways
than
through
the
community
process.
We
look
for
design
because
I
don't
think
that
Community
level
support
or
the
County
Board
again
has
to
prove
this
project
with
a
product
that
would
approve
just
the
wall
for
wall
purposes,
but
but
in
some
instances
very
unique
how
retaining
walls
I
think,
maybe.
G
C
What
so
the
con,
the
I'm
hearing
some
consensus,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
commissioner
sarley
is
that
the
the
zoko
is
is
certainly
top
middle
here.
There's
a
topography
change
the
a
taller
wall
helps
with
you
know,
fortifying
the
Earth,
perhaps
lower
right,
I'll
go
to
next.
A
shorter
wall
per
up
to
four
feet
tall
is,
is
an
effective
barrier
that
doesn't
preclude
that
access.
The
William
white,
seeing
into
the
space
I
think
I'm.
D
C
E
C
Eight-Foot
Palisade
from
from
being
erected
in
to
separate
the
public
from
one
of
our
our
public
spaces.
If
the
commission
was
was
comfortable
with
leaving
it
up
to
the
public
process,
we
could
potentially
bring
forth
something
similar
to
what
we've
described.
But,
but
if
the
commission
is,
is
really
looking
for
us
to
go
back
and
make
additional
edits,
that
would
be
helpful
feedback
to
hear.
B
To
compare
it
to
the
flood
wall,
That's
there's
a
utility
associated
with
that
sort
of
nobody's
going
to
take
a
flood
wall,
and
that's
why
I
think
if
we
can
introduce
you
know
for
the
center
of
illustration
that
becomes
really
clear.
So
then
you're
dealing
with
the
problem
that
you're
solving
you're,
not
just
placing
a
wall,
so
that
I
think
is
where
I
am
I'll.
D
G
B
But
I
think
I
think
I
am
uncomfortable
with.
A
C
A
C
Nearing
the
end,
commissioner,
Starley
We've,
the
staff
we've
had
extensive
conversations
about
the
the
potential
impacts
related
to
auxiliary
pumps,
as
well
as
backup
generators.
Again,
Des
is
a
strong
preference,
if
at
all
possible,
is
for
completely
gravity
systems
where
Gravity
by
natural
forces
is
draining
the
water
out
to
to
and
discharging
through
through
gravity
functions,
but
the
topography
may
require
it,
and
so.
D
H
Yeah
I
mean
yeah.
The
system
overall,
you
know,
is
designed
that
way.
I
think
with
some
with
some
new
facilities.
You
know
depending
on
sometimes
if
you
make
it
deeper,
it
gives
you
more
storage,
and
so
that's
one
option
that
they're,
you
know
looking
at
with
some
of
the
vaults
is
you
know,
depending
on
how
much
space
we
have,
but
we
know
so
we
can
go
down
a
little
bit
more
and
then
we
get
more
capacity,
but
then
we
find
the
pump.
So
it's
it's
a
trade-off.
H
So
there
may
be
I
think
you
know,
Liz
can
jump
in
there's,
probably
not
a
lot.
That
would
need
a
pump,
but
it's
it's
an.
H
I
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
lot
less
expensive
to
operate
a
gravity
system
than
a
pump
system.
The
problem
that
we
sometimes
run
into
is
the
space
constraints
we
might
be
trying
to
save
a
tree
or
a
recreational
area
or
something
and
therefore
need
to
go
deeper
than
the
outflow
pipes
are
situated
and
then
so
we
would
need
to
lift
the
water
pump
it
up
up
and
then
you
know,
because
of
the
nature
of
yeah
the
pumps
when
it
rains
you
know,
sometimes
you
lose
power,
so
you
need
a
backup
generator.
E
C
Right
exactly,
and
so
so
this
is.
This
is
a
an
engagement
matter
that
Des
would
need
to
work
out
with
adjacent
neighbors
and
members
of
the
community.
We
have
included
full
enclosures
a
requirement
Des.
It
continues
to
do
that.
We'll
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
The
generators
would
would
still
meet
setback
requirements.
There
are
some
slight
incrosions
already
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
backup
generators.
You.
E
C
So
nearing
the
end
commissioner
Silo
we
we
can
skip
through
most
of
this,
because
we've
we've
worked
it
into
the
presentation.
Already.
We've
already
talked
about
how,
with
most
improvements
to
a
public
space
and
with
every
one
of
our
stormwater
management
facilities,
there
will
be
a
specifically
tailored
a
la
carte
public
process
that
would
would
precede
that
there's
the
review
that
comes
as
part
of
the
the
annual
CIP
as
well.
C
The
and
so
there's
nothing
in
the
zoning
ordinance
would
change
what
we're
doing
already.
A
lot
of
what
we're
doing
is
is
tonight
is
describing
what
we're
doing
already
so
specific
to
engagement
for
this
study
to
date
and
and
Des
has
taken
a
real
leadership
role
on
this
in
in
socializing
the
text
amendment
in
this
body
of
work
with
those
six
critical
Watershed
groups
that
that
have
been
working
with
them
building
those
relationships.
As
part
of
flood
resilient
Arlington,
we've
also
done
some
informational
presentations
to
c2e2
the
psmp
implementation
advisory
committee.
The
PRC.
C
We
also
had
a
virtual
public
meeting
on
December
14th
I
go
more
into
this
ad
nauseam
in
in
the
memo
you
received
over
the
weekend,
but
a
lot
of
again
a
broken
record.
A
lot
of
the
comments
that
we
we've
hitched
on
tonight
have
also
been
things
that
we've
heard
from
the
members
of
the
public,
the
role
of
public
lands
and
what
they
play
in.
C
Yeah
so,
and
and
I'm
happy
to
to
recount
some
more
of
that
feedback
on
on
the
engagement
that
we've
received,
but
I
think
it's
aligned
with
and
that
we've
accounted
for
that
in
some
of
the
our
analysis
and
the
recommendations
that
we've
received
to
date.
So
we
we
are,
you
know,
depending
on
how
how
we
do
this
evening
and
over
the
course
of
any
further
engagement.
C
F
I
have
a
further
question
and
it
may
be
because
I
haven't
followed
this
as
closely
as
I
might
have
I
think
this
is
great
that
we're
doing
this
I'm
concerned
about
the
storm
water,
but
it
feels
like
we're
missing
the
forest
for
the
trees,
because
we
can
do
all
of
this,
but
if
we
keep
letting
our
development
increase
impervious
surface
area,
we're
always
going
to
be
playing
ketchup.
So
is
there
a
parallel
process
going
on
to
address
that?
Or
can
we
include
it
under
the
Catalyst?
F
H
I
mean
there's
the
changes
we
made
to
the
land,
disturbing
activity,
Department
process.
That
was
something
in
you
know,
I
believe
in
2021,
and
so
that.
D
H
Add
additional
requirements,
that's
more
for
for
new
homes,
so
increases
an
impervious
area
there
they
had
an
additional.
You
know
additional
requirements
to
detain
storm
water
in
addition
to
kind
of
the
water
treatment.
You
know
that
they
had
had
you
know
prior
as
well,
so
that
was
you
know.
A
recent
change.
I
mean
I,
think
you
know,
there's
I,
guess,
there's
a
challenge.
I
mean
you
know.
If
you
have
a
site
that
redevelops
and
that
ads
in
previous
area,
if
it's
still
below,
what's
allowed
for
the
site,
I
mean
there's
no
limit.
H
Of
coverage,
you
know
requirements
so
anyway,
but.
E
There
does
seem
to
be
some
sort
of
storm
water
facilities
built
in
the
new
houses
like,
like
you,
know
the
BIOS,
whales
and
and
there's
like
troughs
that
seem
to
have
yeah
now.
Isn't
it
true,
though,
like
when
we
do
a
site
plan,
though
that
stormwater
has
to
be
dealt
with
for
the
news
for
any
development,
that's
under
a
site
plan
that
there
has
to
be
yeah.
H
E
H
J
H
Of
Arlington
Developers,
so
when
properties
are
replaced
a
lot
of
times
you're,
you
know
it's
in
you
know
it's
a
benefit
in
terms
of
adding
this
from
our
management,
and
now
you
may
have
changes
in
the
impervious.
You
know
coverage
as
well,
but,
but
typically
they
you
know
are,
then
you
know
also
required
to
treat
kind
of
that
difference.
So,
whatever
the
increase
in
previous
area,
you
know
they
they
have
to
be
managing.
H
D
F
E
These
the
driveways
have
always
driven
me
crazy.
One
of
the
things
we
that
we
used
to
always
think
was
good
design
for
our
neighborhoods
was
having
the
garage
in
the
back
because
it
cars
were
hit.
You
know
it
basically
had
short
people
facing
the
street.
You
know
either
houses,
porches
doors
windows
and
no
big
ugly
garage
doors,
which
was
a
very
good
design
yeah,
but
that
also
meant
a
really
long
driveway,
but
our
driveways.
E
We
also
allowed
a
fully
paid
driveway
and
I've
seen
driveways
that
are
either
all
gravel
in
the
neighborhoods
I've
seen
driveways,
where
it's
just
two
concrete
strips
with
planting
down
the
middle
I've,
seen
them
where
they
are
permeable
pavers
that
go
most
of
the
way
back.
There's
lots
of
solutions
to
the
big
up
in
the
driveway
that
are
better
at
least
than
what
we're
allowing
by
ride.
Is
there
some
way
we
can
change
that
so
that
don't
have
just
this
huge
asphalt.
F
Is
knowing
that
they're
not
going
to
go
anywhere
now,
but
we
socialize
the
discussion,
we
get
it
out
there
and
someone
else
will
bring
it
up
in
six
months.
So
is
there
a
place
for
that
here?
I
really
do
worry
that
we
could
do
all
these
things,
but
if
we
don't
get
a
handle
on
this
other
sort
of
monster,
the
elephant
in
the
room.
H
I
H
Has
allowed
sort
of
administratively
so
it
wasn't
necessarily
something
that
went
through.
You
know
you
know
the
full
commission
process,
but
you
know
it
was
adding.
So
it
was
adding
additional.
You
know:
detention,
stormwater
detention,
requirements
for
a
new
home,
so
right
now
I
think
we're
just
starting
to
see
some
of
those
projects
coming
through
kind
of
completing
construction.
You
know
from
that
change
in
2021
it
was
the
end
of
2021
and
then
they
had
to
you.
H
New
permits
came
through
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
we're
just
seeing
those
projects
you
know
come
to
fruition
so
we'll
be
able
to
evaluate.
You
know
that
more
but
yeah
I
mean
there's.
You
know
a
lot
of
factors
you
know
with
the
large
driveways.
We
can't
necessarily
mandate
how
people
do
a
driveway
I
mean
again.
We
we
do
require
storm
water
management,
so
many
of
them
do
the
previous
pavers,
but
I
think
the
driveway
choice
I
mean
it
plays
into
you
know.
H
F
Can
we
incentivize
that
every
retention
on
the
older
homes
is
there
a
way
we
could
be
doing
that
when
they're
not
coming
into
a
developer
they're,
not
triggering
compliance
with
the
rest
of
this?
Is
that
something-
and
this
is
I-
do
raise
these
issues
a
lot
I
feel
like
we
all.
We
have
great
planners
here
great
plans,
but
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
siled.
Does
this
come
up
here?
Does
this
come
up
in
forestry,
natural
resource
management,
yeah.
H
E
H
K
So
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
figure
out
like
for
planning
for
the
future.
You
know,
commissioner,
here
in
reference
that
we're
like
playing
catch
up,
so
you
all
are
working
with
gdes
because
they
have
their
CIP.
They
have
their
plans
for
keeping
Arlington.
You
know
ready
to
absorb
these
50
or
100
Year
storms,
so
they're
going
to
start
coming
recently.
K
E
K
And
so
do
you?
Are
you
familiar
enough
with
their
plans
that,
like
okay,
now
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
handle
these
100-year
storms
we're
like
what?
What
capacity
are
we
getting
slides
that
you
mentioned
we're
really
not
even
at
we're
at
full
capacity
right
now,
and
we
know
we're
going
to
be
developing
more
we're
approving
the
projects
we're
looking
in
this
middle,
we're
proving
that
or
not
necessarily
but
we're
on
a
path
to
potentially.
G
K
What
is
the
Des
saying,
like
you
know
what
we're
gonna
next
time
we
have
that
giant
flight
to
look
at
California
right
now,
like
the
pictures
are
terrifying
yeah
and
so,
like
you
know,
the
bridges
got,
wiped
out
on
lover
run
and
how
it
took
years
to
replace
those
I
think
they're
up
now
so
I
guess
I'm
wondering
like
you
know
what
kind
of
disasters
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
avoid
by.
H
Sure
yeah
well
I,
think
I
mean
again.
The
key
point
is
is
trying
to
you
know,
remove
some
of
these
constraints.
We
do
have
I
mean
it's
a
longer
term
plan,
and
you
know
this
can
feel
free
to
jump
in.
You
know,
there's
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
number
of
years,
I
think
to
you
know,
fully
design
and
then
construct.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
improvements
and
some
of
these
critical
watersheds
where
we've
had
so
it's
it's,
not
something
that
we
can
kind
of
all.
I
Term,
it's
a
long
term
and
the
ramp.
We
have
a.
We
have
an
ongoing
risk
assessment
and
manage
mitigation
and
management
program
pop
pro
project
and
that's
ongoing
and
we're
just
getting
ready
to
do
some
public
engagement
on
that
that'll
address
a
little
bit
of
it,
but
the
main
focus
here
was
it
came
up
when
we
started
doing
some
of
these
studies
for
the
different
watersheds
that
we
were
running
square
into
the
zoning
ordinance
and
so
I
think
the
what
you
know.
I
E
E
B
C
B
There's
the
yes
there's,
you
know
so
I
think
we
want
to
clear
out
of
the
way,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
you
know
that
we're
also.
A
B
Are
I
think
next
steps
for
this
committee.
B
C
Clearly,
we
have
some
additional
work,
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
wood
shed
when
it
comes
to
the
retaining
wall,
trying
to
reflect
some
of
the
feedback
we've
got
from
the
commission
and
and
to
to
pay
a
book
not
that
we're
not
paying
attention
to
it
to
to
really
put
our
thinking
caps
on
and
see
if
we
can
create
some
more
flexibility,
specificity
on
if
an
eight-foot
fence
is
being
used
for
enclosure
in
one
of
our
public
spaces,.
C
We're
following
William
White's
good
principles,
we're
keeping
that
that
access
and
transparency,
but
we're
not
complicating
and
and
we're
not
complicating,
The
Pedestrian
experience,
and
so
we
think
I'm
I
think
we've
got
some
ideas
that
we
can
generate
to
to
try
to
bring
some
more
specificity
to
that
for,
like
a
better
word.
So
once
so,
once
we
do
that
we're
gonna!
C
D
C
Read
this
tonight
as
well
as
the
conversation
tonight,
we
should
have
some
some
updates
to
the
language
that
we've
been
thinking
about.
We'll
have
that,
and
so
so,
while
presuming
the
board
adopts
that
resolution,
we
would
have
this
scheduled
for
your
regular
agenda
at
your
March
meetings,
which
I
believe
are.
D
J
C
Yeah
so
you'd
be
you'd,
be
seeing
at
least
me
on
one
of
those
nights.
Hopefully
my
other
colleagues
will
join
me
as
well
right,
so
that
so
that's
that's
the
next
step
in
the
process.
B
Oh
great,
okay,
yeah!
You
can
have
a
public
speaker
all
right
with
that.
Let's
wrap
it
up
and
give
it
to
the
public
comment.
Phase.
B
Young,
let's
give
you
yeah
a
minute
and
a
half
is
that.
J
Okay,
this
is
going
to
be
very
quick
and
sorry
I
I'm,
going
to
skip
the
camera
up
for
Speed
I've,
listened
with
interest
thanks
for
the
opportunity.
I
would
just
like
for
the
county
to
remind
people
and
talking
about
the
increasing
frequency
and
intensity
of
the
precipitation
events
that
climate
is
driving
this
right
right
now
the
background
mentions
the
increasing
frequency
and
intensity,
but
there's
no
reference
of
the
fact.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I
appreciate
you
coming
to
our
meeting
with
that.
Unless
there's
anything
else.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
Thanks
for
the
presentation.