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From YouTube: Planning & Regulatory Services -- Committee on Wednesday the 11th of January 2023 at 3.00pm
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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Environmental Services Committee on Tuesday the 10th of January 2023 in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre and online using Zoom.
B
Thank
you.
Okay,
you're
very
welcome
to
read
Stephen
date
here
and
welcome
to
a
regulatory
section
of
the
hybrid
meeting,
the
planning
and
Regulatory
Services
committee
and
asked
everyone
to
please
meet
their
makes
at
all
times
unless
invited
to
speak
for
those
who
are
physically
in
the
chamber,
can
I
remind
you
that,
when
speaking
into
your
microphone,
we
at
until
you
see
yourself
on
the
screen,
so
is
the
live.
Feed
can
pick
up
your
comments
if
you
speak
before
your
image
is
projected.
Those
listening
will
not
hear
what
you
say.
B
B
Okay
and
Declarations
of
interest
will
take
them
in
the
usual
way
as
we
move
through
the
agenda
and
we're
good
at
item
three,
which
is
it's
an
item
for
decision
when
I
was
a
public
consultation
on
the
review
of
committed
development
rates
and
ruching
is
going
to
bring
this
report.
So
when
you're
ready
thanks.
A
The
consultation
document
includes
proposed
changes
to
these
restrictions
and
limitations
to
require
that
any
part
of
the
air
source
heat
pump
would
be
at
least
one
meter
from
another
dwelling
and
to
increase
the
height
restriction
from
two
meters
to
three
meters.
Restrictions
and
limitations
related
to
world
heritage
sites,
conservation
areas
and
list
of
buildings.
Etc
will
remain
unchanged.
A
There
are
currently
no
permitted
development
rights
in
Northern
Ireland
for
domestic
wind
turbines.
The
consultation
paper
is
seeking
views
and
whether
there
is
a
demand
or
need
for
the
introduction
of
such
a
permitted
development
rights
officers
in
consultation
with
the
council's
Environmental
Health
Department
agree
that
a
permitted
development
rights
for
domestic
scale
wind
turbines
should
be
considered
as
a
means
of
renewable
energy
uptake
subject
to
detailed
and
suitably
protective
requirements
being
specified.
A
Officers
in
consultation
with
the
council's
Environmental
Health
Department
are
supportive
of
the
proposals
to
add
a
new
class
D
to
allow
for
such
developments,
subject
to
the
limitations,
conditions
are
set
out
in
the
document.
A
copy
of
the
draft
response
to
DFA
is
attached
to
appendix
2,
and
it
is
recommended
that
members
approve
the
draft
response
to
the
department
for
infrastructure
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
D
E
Thank
you
chair,
yes,
happy
to
Second
The
Proposal,
given
a
you,
know,
increased
use
of
ground,
Source
heat
pumps
and
so
on.
It's
likely
something
that
would
be
maybe
saying
more
of
in
future
applications,
particularly
given
the
more
environmentally
conscious
requirements
that
are
coming
in
with
the
new
legislation
brought
in
last
year.
So,
as
I
said
how
about
a
second
The
Proposal
thanks.
B
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
and
good
afternoon
members.
Members
of
the
report
before
you
relates
to
the
findings
of
the
Northern
Ireland
planning
monitoring
framework.
The
framework
is
published
last
December
by
Department
of
infrastructure
and
covers
the
2021-22
business
year.
The
key
information
contained
and
the
framework
is
set
out
in
the
report
and,
as
members
will
note,
it
includes
details
of
the
council's
performance
against
the
three
statutory
targets
for
planning.
F
You
will
see
that
in
relation
to
two
of
those
targets
be
performed
extremely
well
and
in
respect
of
the
other,
which
leads
to
local
applications.
Our
performance
was
not
as
good.
However,
officers
have
made
significant
progress
over
the
course
of
the
current
business,
shared
improved
performance
in
that
area.
Other
key
points
to
note
members
include
that
out
of
76
decisions
made
by
this
committee
last
year,
only
one
was
made
against
the
officer
recommendation
and
that
contrasts
with
a
much
higher
number
of
decisions
against
officer
advice
in
some
Council
are
Essence.
F
To
give
you
an
example,
and
one
comes
area,
almost
half
decisions
made
by
the
committee
was
against
officer
recommendation.
Another
counselor.
It
was
36
percent
on
another
32
percent,
so
it
you
can
see
the
Fairly
sharp
contrast
and
in
relation
to
appease
officers,
were
successful
in
winning
seven
out
of
Europeans,
with
no
claims
for
cost
being
made
against
the
council
and
that
also
compares
favorably
in
relation
dollar
consoles
news.
F
To
give
you
an
example,
members
N1
Coastal
area,
17
out
of
21
appears
were
lost,
seven
out
of
nine
and
another
and
six
out
of
nine
and
another.
So
look
I.
Suppose
one
of
the
conclusion
to
reach
from
that
is
that
it's
seeing
the
sound
out
a
fairly
strong
message
regarding
the
high
quality
of
our
decision
making
over
the
course
of
the
last
business
year
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you,
sir.
D
Yeah
yeah
thanks
John
thanks
Jimmy
Dean,
you
referred
to
local
applications,
we're
not
performing
so
well
and
I
know
there.
Is
things
have
been
put
in
place?
You
know,
through
this
committee
and
through
working
groups
and
things
have
you
had
any
sort
of
indication
if
those
are
beginning
to
work
yourself,
because
obviously
we'd
like
to
get
a
local
applications
up
to
speed
with
everything
else
and
they
I
suppose
leads
all
the
schools
and
the
next
thing
you
know
like:
what's
your
backlog
at
the
minute
are
we
are?
D
F
That's
sure
thanks,
counselor
Nicholson
yeah
in
relation
to
locals
yeah
they've
got
our
performance
on
locals
last
business
year,
which
we
we
came
in
at
25
weeks.
You
know
against
a
15-week
Target.
She
was
disappointing
now
that
that
really
does
go
back
to
the
Legacy
from
covid.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
period
of
time
where
the
office
was
closed,
the
high
vacancy
levels,
the
you
know,
really
high
case
numbers
that
came
in
during
covert
since
that
time.
F
Since
the
end
of
the
last
business
year,
we
are
now
down
to
you'll,
see
in
the
report
that
comes
next,
our
performance
against
the
local
Society
20
weeks,
so
we've
gone
from
25
to
20.,
so
that
is
significant
progress
and
we'll
continue
to
build
on
that.
No,
we,
you
members,
will
recall
in
terms
of
the
backlog
that
we
had
just
before.
Christmas
we've
got
ourselves
down
to
860
applications.
F
You
know
a
lot
of
dropped
from
I
think
it
was
about
a
thousand
forty
at
the
beginning
of
the
business
year.
So
our
numbers
we've
made
really
really
good
progress,
but
unfortunately
the
implementation
of
the
new
IIT
system
for
planning
as
introduced
a
few
problems
for
all
councils
and
as
a
result,
you
know
we
were
currently
we
were
selling
it
in
60,
Before
Christmas.
F
F
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks
Damian
and
just
observing
Damien
I
think
he
said
that
this
company
had
over
turned
one.
Is
that
what
you
said
compared
to
other
councils
looking
out,
as
could
we
say
we're
doing
everything
right
on
the
other
ones?
Maybe
or
not?
Are
we
doing
everything
wrong
and
maybe
all
the
ones
right,
there's
a
disparity
here?
G
What
I
would
ask
do
we
have
any
comparison
with
appeals
to
the
pasc
these
ones
on
how
we
stack
up
against
that
I
think
our
past
record
is
quite
pretty
good,
so
maybe
that
would
give
an
indication
of
how
we
consider
these
applications
well.
It
is
quite
honestly
concerning
not
there's
a
big
disparity,
I,
don't
know
what
was
50,
he
said,
and
one
or
somewhere
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
I
didn't
pick
up
one
but
I'm
just
wondering
why
the
big
disparity
between
officer
recommendations
on
the
Committees.
Thank
you.
F
Thanks
chair
thanks
Alderman
Austin,
yeah
yeah,
the
figure
again
was
almost
50
in
one
particular
Council
area.
No,
like
a
account
provider,
an
awful
lot
of
insight
into
that,
but
what
I
would
say
is
in
relation
to
our
own.
You
know
the
recommendations
that
we
made,
for
example,
where
we
do
go
to
paid,
which
was
your
lower
point.
He
had
appeals.
F
Last
year
we
won
seven
of
those
and
I
gave
the
figures
in
comparison
to
other
Council
areas
where
One
console
think
it
was
27
and
last
out
of
31
I
think
it
was
mentioned,
and
you
know
our
that
comparison
sits
very
well
compared
in
relation
to
some
other
accounts.
Also
I
think
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
our
decision
making.
I
think
it
is.
There
I
think
it's
good
yeah
in
relation
to
when
we
bring
applications
and
recommendations
to
members,
we
will
offer
our
professional
opinion
our
professional
advice.
F
I
think
the
poor
performance
of
the
page
does
highlight
that
the
quality
of
our
decision
making
was
good
and
that
quite
possibly,
then
you
know
members
going
with
the
majority
of
recommendations
was
the
correct
thing
to
do.
We've
never
got
it
completely
right.
No
planning
Authority
will
get
it
completely
right,
but
I
just
think
that
those
figures
May
against
the
string
reading
and
in
relation
to
the
number
of
overturns
by
members
I
think
you
know
the
small
number
it's
backed
up
by
our
performance
at
appeal.
B
Thank
you,
Stephen
I'm,
just
supposed
to
follow
on
from
that.
In
terms
of
you,
when
you,
where
you
have
a
kind
of
sold
with
50
decisions,
been
turned
over,
the
oversight
doesn't
lie
ultimately
with
the
department,
or
is
it
solely
down
there
into
the
eight
laps
of
the
penis
commission
or
Jr
procedures
food?
B
It
was
out
of
a
concern
if
we
were
overturning
50
of
decisions
in
this
chamber,
because
you'd
be
automatically
or
whether
the
perception
from
the
public
would
automatically
be
either
the
officers
aren't
come
up
with
a
robust
decision
or
counselors
are
just
playing
fast
and
loose
with
the
procedure
and
are
really
not
regarding
the
the
views
of
the
officers
I'm
just
Keen
to
understand,
you
know
what
what's
the
outcome
of
that,
because
I
know
the
department
for
infrastructure
at
one
point
were
in
one
of
these
meetings.
You
know
they
did
review
the
procedure.
B
So
what's
the
ultimate
outcome
of
that
you
know,
ours
obviously
has
been
backed
up,
as
you
said,
by
the
facts
and
the
figures
from
the
plan
and
appeals.
Commissioner.
So
how
does
that?
How
does
it
stack?
What's
the
what's
the
ultimate
oversight
that
or
what's
the
lessons
to
be
learned
from
the
for
any
particular
case,.
F
Yeah
thanks
chair,
yeah
I
think
there's
probably
a
number
of
factors
that
contribute
maybe
to
The
Possession.
We
find
ourselves
in
the
members
of
their
work.
There's
a
a
you
know:
significant
amount
of
capacity
building
done
with
members.
We
bring
legal
advisors
in
on
a
continuous
basis.
We
have
a
legal
advisor
in
the
Townsend
committee
at
all
times.
F
Everybody's
planning,
Authority
and
planning
committee
is
not
exactly
the
same
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
contribute
to
the
figures
that
are
before
us,
but
you
know
going
back
to
the.
There
is
no
point
in
me:
I
think
around
the
capacity
building
that
we
do
with
members
from
bringing
in
Casey's
having
your
legalization,
attendance
and,
obviously-
or
you
know,
the
amount
of
effort
we
put
into
our
reports.
D
D
What
are
we
doing
wrong,
but
I
I
actually
think
you
know
you're
you're
right
then,
and
the
the
figures
that
you
know
there's
only
so
many
are
overturned
within
the
the
committee
on
officer's
recommendation
and
then
those
recommendations
obviously
go
to
a
pale
under
a
pale
stand
over
the
committee's
decision.
I
I
think
we're
in
a
very
good
position
and
I
do
think
you're
right
too
how
working
with
other
planet
committees.
You
know
they
are
different
right
across
the
board.
D
They're
made
up
different
they've
different
structures,
Etc
and
and
to
deal
with
things
differently,
but
as
I
say,
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
thing.
You
know,
I
I,
think
that's
an
indication
that
we're
we're
we're
we're.
Let
me
know
on
the
money.
We're
very
close.
You
know
to
to
where
plan
and
policy
is
unworthy.
D
You
know,
and
it's
they're
all
well
thought
out
and
and
and
I
think
it's
it's
it's
testimony
when,
when
you,
when
you
quote
those
figures
in
in
my
opinion,
you
know
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
thing.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
looking
to
overturn
us,
but
that
way
as
a
committee
anymore,
unless
it
it
deserves
it.
But
you
know
we
do
have
some
interesting
debates
here.
D
B
Yeah
I
truly
agree
with
you
and
I
suppose.
That's
you
know
the
flip
side
of
that
is.
You
know
it
raises
my
concerns
where
you
have
then,
where
you
have
this
idea
that
the
same
procedures
and
processes
should
apply
across
all
11
councils,
then
and
another
jurisdiction.
Half
of
you
know,
half
of
what
the
officer
team
does
is
disregarded
and
overturned
for
whatever
reason
I
it
would
be
just
from
a
pure
perspective
of
Interest.
It
would
be
good
to
understand
you
know
from
a
large
jurisdictions
perspective.
B
Why
that's
the
case
and
because
we
put
a
lot
of
you
know
foundation
on
the
fact
that
we
do.
You
have
a
very
robust
and
transparent
process
here
and
we're
not
overturning
50
of
applications,
as
husband
said,
we're
done
one
and
last
year,
so
I
think
what
it
does
is
to
me.
It
just
makes
me
ask
questions.
F
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
members.
The
the
report
before
you
provides
an
analysis
of
Mrs
structure
for
quarter
to
the
current
business
year
and
the
bulletin
provides
an
overview
of
planning
activity
across
Northern
Ireland
you'll.
Note
that
out
of
11
councils,
we
received
the
fourth
host
number
of
applications,
which
is
extremely
positive
news
from
a
planning
income
perspective.
We
also
issued
the
fifth
highest
number
of
decisions
and
I'm
doing
so
have
played
a
significant
role
in
enabling
and
delivering
investment
job
opportunities
in
the
borough.
F
Members
may
also
wish
to
know
that
the
council's
approval
rate
in
Quarter
Two
was
90,
which
actually
and
unusually,
was
the
lowest
of
the
11
councils.
We
would
normally
be
sitting
in
around
sort
of
Midway
Point
for
just
a
probably
a
bit
of
an
anomaly.
We
were
at
90
during
Quarter
Two
with
regard
to
Performance
against
statutory
targets.
F
The
council
was
successful,
emitting
one
of
its
three
targets,
and
that
was
in
planning
enforcement,
a
nurion
which
we
not
only
met
the
target
but
exceeded
it
and,
furthermore,
by
processing
84
percent
of
our
Enforcement
cases
within
39
weeks.
We
were
significantly
better
than
the
Northern
Ireland
average
of
73
percent
in
relation
to
local
planning
applications.
Council
recorded
an
average
processing
2020
makes
what
sort
of
follows
on
from
the
point
I
made
earlier.
F
To
meet
the
locals
Target
and
all
four
received
significantly
fewer
applications
than
we
did
with
regard
to
Major
applications
or
average
processing.
Time
is
34
weeks,
which
only
marginally
missed
the
statutory
Target,
and
we
were
actually
second
best
performing
Council
in
Northern
Ireland
against
the
majors
Target.
So
helping
to
take
any
questions.
Sure
thank
you.
B
F
And
I
can't
tell
you
at
a
meeting
with
the
supplier
to
schedule
the
tip
list
next
week
and
that
that
meeting
will
be
reinforcing
the
urgency
and
need
for
a
quick
resolution
and
I'll
be
obviously
keeping
members
of
theater
on
that.
But
certainly
I
would
hope.
By
next
month.
Next
planning
committee,
we
will
be
in
position
to
give
you
figures,
members
who
apologies
for
them.
B
H
Thank
you,
chair
and
Qaddafi
members
item.
4.1
is
the
request
for
the
naming
of
the
remaining
pieces
of
current
large
Housing
Development,
consisting
of
198
houses
and
that's
neonsburg
Road
in
Oregon,
and
details
are
in
appendix
one.
The
applicant
has
proposed
the
following
names
for
the
remaining
phases
of
the
development.
H
There
is
Drummond
Grove,
Drummond,
close
Australia,
Muse
and
they're
in
various
colors
on
the
attached
map
and
found
each
one,
and
the
Albion
has
chosen
the
names
of
these
remaining
pieces
as
they
admire
with
the
obviously
the
drummer
theme,
which
already
established
and
members
will
call
the
Council
of
previously
approved
the
names
John
Avenue
John.
The
walk
on
drum
the
drive
recommendation,
therefore,
is
from
Members
approval
to
the
names
drummer
Groove
from
the
close
journalian
and
dominant
use
for
the
remaining
phases
of
this
current
development.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah
I
can
remember
the
naming
of
drama,
walk,
I,
think
it
was
in
2020.
I
know
there
are
some
debate
about
that
time.
While
our
the
drum
the
name
should
be
capped,
are
we
should
be
reading
using
the
name
of
the
original
timeline
from
the
Kelly,
which
was
an
anglicization
of
the
original
Thailand
name.
As
you
remember,
a
culture
I
was
in
favor
of
keeping
the
drummer
Cali
Liam,
because
I
think
it
would
be
the
most
appropriate
name
for
this
location.
E
I
think
I
made
that
proposal
at
the
time,
but
that
was
it
unfortunately
did
not
go
through
at
that
time.
I
think
it's
an
imperative
that
we
ourselves
keep
our
named
Heritage
in
place
and
as
discussed
at
the
time.
The
previous
name
and
of
the
drummer
or
drum
the
Kelly
walk
I.
Think
John
McCally
is
the
most
appropriate
name
for
this
development
and
maintain
that
link
with
with
our
with
our
past.
E
Therefore,
given
that
and
I
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
proposal
that,
rather
than
the
name
suggested
by
the
developer,
we
instead
name
the
streets
from
the
Kelly
Grove
turn
the
Kelly
close
John,
the
Kelly
Lane
and
John
the
Kelly
Muse
to
keep
our
name
tired,
is
preserved
for
future
Generations
after
the
secondary.
For
that,
thanks
chair.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I
I
thought
the
councilor
was
going
to
suggest
this
name
and
I
I
would
now
take
on
the
responsibility
of
proporting
this
name,
because
I
think
it
would
be
silly
to
have
I
know.
There
was
a
a
case
that
the
counselor
was
advocating
about
the
previous
time
when
we
were
making
a
decision,
but
to
put
a
different
name
in
the
middle
of
this
development.
I
think
would
be
foolish
now
so
I
propose
the
suggested
name
here.
D
C
B
B
B
Great
okay,
so
sorry
don't
appreciate
that.
To
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
we
don't
it's
not
how
we
run
our
committee.
You
always
put
your
hand
up
and
then
you're
brought
in
as
I
do
and
everybody
else
does
so.
I
get
the
point
you're
trying
to
make,
but
just
respect
that
you
don't
have
to
respect
me,
but
just
respect
that
you're
as
in
the
function
of
the
chair
and
so
I'll
not
be
assist,
will
proceed
with
a
vote
on
the
only
proposal.
B
G
B
B
B
H
Thank
you
chair
item.
4.2
is
a
request
and
naming
another
Housing
Development
assistant
for
develians
of
Bones
and
Muse
in
Lurgan
and
details
are
contained
with
appendix
2.
The
Outfits
preferred
name
for
development
is
Bowens
Court.
The
opening
is,
the
main
reason
is
the
third
name
for
development
is
a
continuation
of
Bourne's.
Muse
recommendation
for
therefore
is
for
members
for
approval
of
performance
called
I
would
take
any
questions.
B
H
H
So,
given
the
significant
focus
and
importance
of
product
safety
issues
have
particularly
a
lot
of
recent
tragic
fires,
it
is
requested
members
approved
attendance
officers
to
attend
this
event.
Members
are
also
encouraged
to
attend,
particularly
those
who
have
an
interest
in
fire
safety
course
are
detailed
in
the
report,
and
money
is
available
in
the
building
to
a
budget
to
cover
the
cost
of
a
recommended
cost
of
officers.
H
B
D
Yeah
chairman,
thank
you
and,
as
Tom
said,
I
think
this
is
the
first
one
Tom
since
covert.
Has
that
spent
a
couple
of
years
since
the
last
one
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
changes
in
in
fire
safety
and
fire
regulations
over
that
period
and
in
particular
after
the
grandfold
tragedy,
so
the
chair
I'm
happy
to
pose
the
recommendation
in
front
of
us
this
afternoon.
Thank
you.
E
B
H
H
For
the
last
10
months
alone,
we've
received
three
2653
applications
with
a
notional
construction
investment
value
in
the
world
of
just
over
352
million,
which
is
approximately
100
million
more
than
previous
couple
of
years,
which
were
considered
to
be
very
busy.
We
have
also
carried
out
over
11
223
site
inspections
and
undertaken
1773
plan
assessments
and
issued
all
the
appropriate
statutory
decision
notices.
H
The
department
has
also
continue
to
deliver
the
council's
property
certificate
function
for
the
convention
of
properties
across
the
borough.
In
the
first
nine
months,
we
have
received
and
administered
2716
new
applications
and
issued
2784
certificates,
two
solicitors
and
agents
relating
to
property
sales
and
all
within
these
the
target
of
10
days
and
could
share
those
reports
for
members
information
but
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Members
may
have.
B
B
So
I
have
to
read
the
following
statement:
members
and
online
viewers
in
accordance
with
schedule,
six
of
the
Local
Government
Act,
and
we
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we're
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
Coming
I
asked
the
ACT
officers
to
please
turn
off,
but
they
feel
and
confirm
with
me
when
the
confidential
section
of
this
meeting
can't
received
thing.
B
F
F
As
a
listed
building
is
known,
the
the
as
a
postage
structure
right
on
building
I
suppose
so
confirmation
is
that
and
the
other
item
of
Correspondence
is
a
letter
from
the
Northern
Ireland
Housing
Council,
highlighting
the
benefits
of
applying
lifetime
home
standards
across
public
and
private
housing
stock
and
urging
planning
authorities
to
prioritize
inclusion
of
Lifetime,
home
standards
and
local
development
plans,
and
so
on,
accessible
and
adaptable
homes.
Policy
is
proposed
to
be
included
in
the
council
Google
development
plan.
F
B
You,
okay,
remember,
there's
any
questions
or
queries:
nope,
don't
see
any
lights
on.
Okay.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
that
portion
of
our
meeting.
So
I
want
to
give
you
a
short
recess
and
what's
the
work
now
we'll
come
back,
maybe
10
past
give
you
10
knots
and
then
we'll
be
kick
off
with
our
applications.
Just
like
you.