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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Environmental Services Committee on Tuesday the 1st of March 2022 at 6.30pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre and online using Zoom.
B
Yes
chair:
I
have
an
apology
to
give
catherine
nelson,
please.
A
C
C
C
We
do
anticipate
that
this
will
lead
on
to
a
wider
project,
probably
during
22
23,
and
we
hope
that
using
this
funding
at
this
point
in
time
will
help
us
and
position
ourselves
to
make
a
bid
for
further
funding
to
help
further
develop
that
work,
which
not
only
supports
our
strategy
today,
but
also
supports
businesses
in
the
borough
who
are
involved
in
this
industry.
A
In
agreement,
everyone
in
the
chamber
happy
enough,
thank
you
and
we'll
move
on
then
to
agent
item
four
four
point:
one:
fair
trade,
road,
signage,
handover,
dubai.
D
Evening
chair
evening,
members,
fair
trade,
as
many
of
you
will
know,
is
a
long-standing
project
that
we've
been
working
on
before
and
after
we
all
came
together
every
year
we
have
to
apply
and
we
have
to
show
progression
in
what
we're
doing
to
promote
fair
trade.
There's
some
information
there
about
fair
trade,
its
goals,
sustainability,
credentials,
etc.
D
The
report
is
asking
that
members
would
agree
that
we
would
put
up
some
fair
trade
road
signs
to
say
you're
now
entering
a
fair
trade
bur.
Some
there
are
some
of
these
already
in
historic
council
areas.
This
will
be
to
refresh
those
bring
them
up
to
line.
We
will
work
with
our
colleagues
in
estates
to
make
sure
they
go
up.
There
is
a
budget
of
about
2
000
pounds,
but
that
can
be
facilitated
in
the
sustainability
budget.
Happy
to
take
any
questions,
comments
and
thoughts.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
happy
enough
to
propose
this,
but
I
suppose
it
raises
the
question
again
talking
about
signage
across
the
borough.
I
certainly
hope
it
doesn't
take
as
long
as
the
signage
that
they're
coming
into
the
bar,
because
we've
been
for
favor
six
years,
we're
still
no
further
forward.
I
would
say
remember
the
only
council
in
northern
ireland
that
hasn't
got
our
welcome
signage
and
a
normal
colleague
customer
count
he's
not
on
this
committee.
If
he
was
here,
he
would
raise
it.
E
So
it
has
options
and
at
the
game
tonight
in
terms
of
those
those
sayings
like
where
are
they
and
but
I'm
happy
to
repose
this,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
if
they'll
be
up
before
the
main
council
signs
are
not,
but
it's
certainly
something
that's
a
born
of
contention
within
our
party.
I
can
certainly
tell
you
that.
B
A
A
We're
going
to
item
4.2
the
24-hour
event
at
the
cagavan
lakes
back
over
to
bari.
Again,
oh
sorry,
there
I'm
jumping
the
gun
thanks.
H
Thank
you
chur
church.
Just
you
know,
you're
not
jumping
on
your
phone,
it's
just
one
of
the
clear
ninjas
from
working
with
this
group
and
on
a
committee
staring
towards
us.
So
it's
certainly
something
I'll
be
keen
to
see
through,
but
it'll
not
be
taken
part.
Thank
you.
G
E
Yeah
certainly
a
very
worthwhile
charlie
and
I
on
the
great
thing
that
they're
doing
they
have
been
fundraising
for
quite
a
while,
and
this
is
just
another
part
of
that
and
it's
a
it's.
A
very
worthwhile
group
and
reason
for
a
very
worthwhile
calls
so
well
happy
to
propose
the
recommendation.
As
is
chair.
A
A
D
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
information
item,
the
staff.
The
unions
have
agreed
these
various
dates,
and
it's
just
really.
Let
members
know
it's
similar
to
what
we
have
done
in
previous
years.
How
about
to
take
any
questions
or
thoughts
on
that?
Thank
you.
A
G
D
D
Arma
probably
didn't
have
the
same
service
across
the
piece
simply
because
they
had
the
bryson
box,
which
was
a
completely
different
service
to
what
we
had
been
running.
So
it's
really
just
a
remind
members
who
had
maybe
forgotten
about
this,
but
certainly
as
an
information
name
for
members
in
irma
who
may
be
having
a
field
of
it.
D
I
suppose
in
simple
terms,
we
treat
registered
charities
and
churches
similar
to
households,
so
the
details
are
here,
but
predominantly
we
will
lift
their
bins
on
the
same
frequency
on
the
same
routes
as
the
houses
around
them
to
the
same
sorts
of
levels.
So
in
other
words,
a
church
may
have
a
brown
bin
on
two
green
bins,
for
example
like
a
large
family.
D
If
they
were
requiring,
for
example,
14
green
bins,
then
that
would
be
considered
to
be
above
what
a
household
would
have.
So
therefore,
we
would
have
discussions
with
them
about
the
charge
for
that
as
a
commercial
customer,
because
they
wouldn't
be
treated
then
as
a
household,
and
I
suppose,
that's
long
and
short
of
it's
to
bring
members
all
members
up
to
date
on
that
it
has
been
a
long-standing
process,
and
it's
just
really
to
underline
that
for
for
everyone,
it
isn't
a
service
that
we
have
neces.
D
We
have
necessarily
campaigned
or
recruited,
for
it
is
just
a
service
that
historically
has
been
there,
and
we
just
want
to
make
members,
particularly
in
irma,
aware
of
this.
So
then,
churches
registered
charities
can
contact
us
and
we
can
arrange
those
collections
as
appropriate.
Happy
to
take
any
questions.
Sure.
A
Thank
you
barry
for
that.
There's
a
couple
of
lights
on
here:
counselor
pope.
J
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
barry
for
the
report
and
certainly
welcome
on
this,
and
you
know
the
clarification
on
the
free
collection
for
places
of
worship
and
registered
charities.
I
guess
the
my
concern
would
be
I
I
guess
on
the
numbers
I
was
going
to
ask.
J
You
know
on
the
on
the
numbers
of
I've
been
provisioned,
because
you
know
some
of
these
have
a
number
of
groups
and
events,
and
I'm
certainly
aware
that
you
know
what
one
ben
you
know
it
may
not
be
adequate
for
that,
and
I
mean,
as
I
say,
you
know,
you're,
emphasizing
in
the
report
that
there
should
be
proper
segregation
of
the
waste
and
recycling
so
to
facilitate
that
proper
recycling.
There
needs
to
be
adequate.
You
know
bins,
and
certainly
you
know
I
I
would
welcome
you
know.
J
You
know
a
potential
look
for
officers
to
look
at
an
increase.
You
know
in
and
not
pre
that
provision
and
uncertainty
to
review
that
happy
to
make
that
a
proposal
to
have
a
review
of
the
number
of
bins
provided
to
registered
charities
and
places
of
worship,
but
barry.
If
you
can
maybe
comment
on,
you
know,
if
there's
been
a
previous
discussion
or
review
on
that
on
the
numbers,
thank
you.
A
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair
the
the
number
of
bins
and-
and
this
is
where
we
have
it.
So
the
legislation
talks
about
that
we
provide
domestic
collections
and
the
domestic
collection
can
be
designated
by
council.
So
that's
why
we
can
say
we
will
have
one
green
bin,
one
black
bin
and
one
brown
bin
from
an
average
house.
If
it's
a
larger
family,
they
can
have
a
larger
bin,
for
example,
that
is
at
the
council's
discretion.
D
Charities
and
churches
are
not
included
in
the
legislation.
So
again
it's
down
to
members
discretion
about
what
is
defined
so
a
very
long
time
ago,
probably
before
I
was
in
council,
it
had
been
decided.
The
charities
churches
were
given
a
dispensation
to
be
treated
like
homes
and
that
has
continued
on.
D
So
there
has
been
a
rule
in
the
councils
for
a
number
of
years
in
relation
to
that,
and
the
definition
of
that,
if
members
was
just
to
look
at
either
the
definition
of
that
or
if
members
wish
us
to
look
at
how
many
bins,
then
we
can
certainly
do
that
at
the
minute.
What
we
would
be
saying
is,
it
would
be
approximation
to
a
large
family,
so
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
one
green
one,
brown
and
one
black.
D
The
segregation
is
very
important
for
recycling
reasons,
but
if
we
were
to,
for
example-
and
and
this
is
where
we
have
been
asked
questions
before,
if
a
church
was
running
a
playgroup
that
people
had
to
pay
for,
for
example,
they
would
generate
significant
amounts
of
waste,
but
then
they
would
be
being
paid
for.
So
that's
why
it
was
always
kept
a
fairly
generic,
simple
way
of
working.
It
also
is
it's
feasible
for
us
to
do
so.
D
It
isn't
a
massive
impact
if
we
are
lifting
a
church
when
we
are
lifting
other
buildings
around
it,
whereas
if
we
were
to
say
to
a
church
or
a
charity,
for
example,
everyone
was
allowed
all
of
their
waste
free.
I
suppose
there'll
be
a
number
of
issues
with
that.
Firstly,
it
is
the
quantity
of
that
which
we
would
have
you
know
we
can
work
on
something
like
that
and
listen
to.
Could
we
quantify
it
and
the
other
is
the
segregation
bit.
D
So
it
would
still
be
very
important
that
we
were
encouraging
them
to
recycle
as
much
as
possible.
So
again
it
would
be
the
idea
we
wouldn't
want
to
give
them
x
amount
of
black
bins
and
only
one
green
bin.
So
that's
why
it
was
always
kept.
That
really
was
fairly
generic
and
that's
the
place.
But
if
members-
which
we
obviously
can
look
at
all
those
different
aspects-
and
we
can
do
that
in
the
coming
year-
perhaps
thank
you
chair.
A
K
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks,
barry
and
barry,
I
suppose,
on
leading
on
from
that
question,
and
can
you
confirm
that
the
the
rollout
has
been
completed
for
all
community
halls,
churches
etc,
whoever's
going
to
get
the
bins,
so
I
have
a
number
of
phone
calls,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
to
basically
know:
are
you
still?
D
D
So,
as
has
always
been
the
case,
if
a
church
or
a
charity
wish
to
reveal
of
our
service,
then
they
would
contact
us
in
exactly
the
same
way
as
if
there
was
a
new
church
built
or
a
new
charity
organization.
They
may
contact
the
council
in
relation
to
their
waste
and
there
we
would
take
them
through
that.
D
So
it
hasn't
been
the
case
that
we
have
delivered
out
bins
to
churches
and
charities,
although
some
of
them
may
have
got
them
because
they
have
phoned
in
or
for
any
number
of
reasons,
but
we
haven't
actively
sought
out
nor
I
we
have
not
went
and
made
sure
that,
for
example,
every
particular
church
has
has
had
a
bin
because
they
will
already
have
had
a
waste
service
and
some
ship
fighting
reform
from
all
these
years.
D
For
example,
in
the
same
way
as
there
are
still
churches
and
charities
in
the
in
both
craig
having
and
bambridge
areas
that
do
not
use
council
services.
So
no,
it
isn't
the
case
that
there
has
been
a
rule
out
or
we
weren't
going
to
roll
out.
We
were
going
to
keep
it
the
same
as
it
has
always
been,
and
the
fact
that
if
they
are
interested
or
certainly
if
they
have
questions-
and
they
can
contact
us,
we
can
take
them
through
the
process
and
then
hopefully
come
their
conclusion
with
that.
K
Sure,
just
barry
I'm
a
confused
chair
on
the
back
of
that.
Thanks
barry
for
your
answer,
but
I
I
I
obviously
had
a
conversation
and-
and
there
was
a
any
place
that
we're
having
bryson
boxes-
I
I
assumed
rightly
or
wrongly,
they
were
going
to
get
a
green
bin,
so
they
had
they
had
to
actually
apply
for
the
green
bin
if
they
wanted
a
domestic
house.
B
B
Councilor
mcelroth,
he
doesn't
fall
out
of
me
for
the
report
party
and
I
suppose
it
does.
It
does
raise
a
few
issues
like
around
as
as
councillor
nicholson,
and
some
of
the
armed
ones
will
probably
assume
that
there
was
a
roll
out.
There
was
no
rollout,
but
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
time
for
more
information
and
to
be
brought
forward.
I
mean
it's
not
urgent
stuff,
but
just
it
would
be.
B
It
would
be
good
even
from
our
own
party,
to
get
an
idea
of
you
know
how
many
or
how
big
of
an
uptick
has
there
been
and
then
obviously
to
just
ensure
that
any
organizations
that
weren't
aware
of
it,
that
you
know
it
probably
is
worthwhile
letting
them
know,
and
I
would
potentially
draw
a
distinction
between
the
the
churches
and
the
charities.
I
I
don't
know
the
numbers
in
fact,
there's
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
charities
than
there
are
churches
that
could
reveal
of
this.
B
But
I
would
like
to
know
the
financial
implications
of
all
of
it
just
for
information
more
than
anything
and
that
that
should
help
us
make
a
decision
going
forward.
So
look
it's
I
would.
I
would
just
urge
caution
from
councilor
pope.
I
know
he
made
a
proposal
there.
B
I
would
be
very
reluctant
to
support
any
kind
of
proposal
that
would
potentially
look
to
to
make
something
bigger
until
we
get
a
handle
on
on
where
it
is
currently
at
the
minute
and
what's
working
and
potentially
what's
not
working
and
before
we
make
any
kind
of
a
decision
which
would
have
a
financial
implication
as
well
so,
but
I
would
support
I
would
support
what
he
said
about
about
maybe
a
review
of
the
service.
B
So
in
that
sense,
yes,
I
would
agree
with
it,
but
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
anything
being
made
bigger
at
this
stage.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
D
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
certainly
what
we
can
do,
we
can
go
away
and
quantify
this
in
some
shapefiles
reform
and
and
then
we
will
obviously
take
into
account
what
that
is
likely
to
be
with
the
new
people
coming
on
in
arma,
and
I
think
I
think
you're
quite
right
in
relation
to
you.
This
had
always
been
a
very
slow
process.
So
it's
a
bit
like
when
people
are
building
houses,
it
would
have
come
on.
There
would
have
been
a
number
of
a
year.
D
So
therefore
we
could
adjust
as
we
went
through
a
year
if
there
was
gonna
be-
and
this
is
why
we
have
never
had
a
campaign
to
recruit-
is
because
we
don't
then
know,
would
there
be
a
huge
influx
of
people
in
a
week
or
a
fortnight.
That
would
make
significant
have
significant
implications
of
how
do
we
how
we
would
physically
lift
those
bins?
So
when
a
housing
estate
is
coming
along
or
when
a
house
is
built,
it
comes
on
through
the
year,
and
we
deal
with
that.
D
If
we
were
to
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
these
right
through
an
area
that
would
be
more
problematic.
So
if
we
were
to
go
away,
if
members
were
content,
we
could
go
away.
We
could
look
at
how
many
churches
charities,
what
the
implications
of
that
is.
We
can
certainly
look
at
the
idea
of
contacting
churches
and
then
bring
that
information
back
to
members
again
to
have
that
idf
quantities
that
we're
talking
about,
and
that's
why
there
was
never
a
campaign
to
recruit.
D
A
L
That's
all
right
chair,
forgive
you
this
time,
don't
don't
worry
about
it.
Listen,
yeah!
Listen!
Most.
Most
of
my
queries
been
answered.
I
have
to
say
barry
that
probably
I'm
with
councillor
nicholson
on
this
one.
I've
had
a
number
of
queries
from
churches,
kind
of
written
the
role
out,
and
I
did
take
a
wee
bit
of
advice
from
somebody
one
of
the
staff
members
and
on
the-
and
they
did
say
you
know
the
rule
out
for
churches.
Hadn't
really
started
as
such,
so
there
is
a
wee
bit
of
confusion
in
the
message.
L
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
I
mean
this.
Clarifies
it
tonight
and-
and
the
questions
already
been
been
answered
as
such,
but
I
would
also
tend
to
agree
with
councillor
pope
in
terms
of
some
of
we
have
some
quite
big
churches,
they're
getting
back
to
all
of
their
activities
now
and
they're
they
are
looking
to.
You
know,
get
get
the
adequate
bin
provision
there
if
they
can.
L
A
A
Someone
second
second
kaiser
greenfield.
Thank
you,
members
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
schedule,
six,
the
local
government
act.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
confidential
session
of
potential.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turning
off
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
Can
the
sat
officer
is
pleased
to
confirm
when
the
confidence
the.
M
A
A
O
A
A
B
Thank
you
sure,
it'll
be
very
brief,
but
I
just
reason
concerns
around
the
level
of
street
cleansing
in
the
area
that
I
represent
and
I'm
quite
sure
this
will
end
up
or
could
end
up
with
everybody
here,
putting
their
legs
on
and
saying
the
same
thing.
But
it's
my
role
to
actually
represent
the
people
who
vote
me
in,
and
that
is
the
concern,
I'm
being
told
then
dead.
Really
dan
daly
should
I
say
so
it
is.
B
There
is
a
concern
that,
and
I
look
I'm
not
expecting
miracles
and
I'm
not
expecting
things
to
change
overnight
and
obviously
we've
talked
about
destiny,
but
it's
pretty
bad.
It's
pretty
dare
in
the
area
that
I
represent
and
I'm
quite
sure
it
is
not
in
other
areas.
So
it's
supposed
just
to
to
flag
it
up
and
and-
and
you
know,
put
it
on
the
agenda.
I
suppose
it's
it's
pretty
bad,
but
thank
you,
chair.
K
Sorry
sure
look
the
ipod
just
couldn't
get
the
mute
button.
There.
No
look,
I
I'm
I'm
glad
country
hopkins
brought
this
up
and
and
and
I
do
agree
and-
and
I
suppose
it's
like
I'm
sure
it's
all
on
on
this-
and
I
spoke
to
sharon
about
it
previously.
This
meeting
and
my
dear
and
particularly
you
know
arma
city
and-
and
things
like,
I
know,
we're
sort
of
in
the
wintertime
and
things
like
that.
K
But,
like
it's
been
brought
up
to
me
a
bit
like
counselor
hockey
and
it's
and
I'm
in
the
city
most
days,
and
I
am
getting
it
you
know.
So
I'm
hoping
this
review
that
we
do
carry
out
and
and
we
set
up
this
work
group
we
can
get
some
sort
of
program
of
cleansing
set
in
place
that
we
can
actually
know
when
the
the
the
the
the
cleansers
are
going
to
be
within
our.
M
K
I
have,
to
be
honest
sure
I
actually
can't
remember
the
last
time
I
seen
the
new
normal
mastery.
I
have
to
be
brutally
honest,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
chairman
and
a
as
I
say
and
thank
coach
hawking
and
bring
it
up.
I
don't
want
to
sort
of
you
know
obviously
quality
point,
but
I
do
think
we
do
as
a
community
do
something
about
this.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you,
mr
nicholson.
I
think
it'll
all
be
dealt
with
in
the
review
in
the
next
and
yet
of
the
chance
at
the
at
the
working
group.
I
think
next
up,
I
think,
was
counselor.
E
Baxter
that
just
very
briefly
just
to
be
associated
with
the
comments
before
in
terms
of
that
also
just
a
very
similar
thing
when
we're
talking
about
street
furniture,
bins,
dog,
fairing,
bins
in
particular,
and
getting
photographs
sent
to
me
daily
of
overflowing
ones-
and
I
know
the
department's
under
serious
pressure
and
there's
some
really
good
guys
in
there.
When
I
talk
and
supervisors
know-
and
I
know
that
they're
doing
their
very
very
utmost
and
doing
their
very
very
best.
E
But
we've
obviously
got
a
very
severe
staffing
problem
which
needs
addressed,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
address
it.
But
the
repairs
aren't
getting
the
surface
that
they're
paying
for,
and
you
know
some
of
the
pictures
when
you
get
them
through
it's
embarrassing
and
then,
when
you
try
and
get
them
empty
and
the
guys
are
trying
their
best
to
get
their
memory,
but
they
may
get
there
for
a
few
days
and
the
repairs
are
ringing
us
right.
It's
not
done
your
ways.
E
It's
not
done
for
one
cent,
they
have
a
dog
fell
and
been
in
black
skull,
and
it's
literally
overflowing
on
all
the
plastic
bags
all
around
and
that's
in
a
public
place,
sort
of
green
area,
and
it's
it's
quite
unbelievable.
Actually
and
it's
embarrassing
whenever
people
are
contacting
again,
did
you
not
ring
about
that?
Did
you
not
do
this?
Did
you
not
do
that?
I
understand
with
a
staffing
issue
with
that
staff
and
actually
need
to
sort
it.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
You
have
counselor
how
you
believe
how
him
to
blame
for
this
tonight,
but
that
I
couldn't
obviously
resist
whenever
he
said.
The
the
problem
that
I'm
having
at
the
minute
is
the
bins
that
are
emptied
by
the
van.
I
That
goes
right
in
the
on
on
the
streets
and
if
you
drive
around
the
craig
end
of
the
borough,
as
I
do
on
a
daily
basis,
sometimes
several
times
you
randomly
are
coming
across
bins
that
are
overflowing,
and
I've
had
one
sent
to
me
this
afternoon
from
kelly,
give
me
an
imported
iron
and
it's
on
the
phone
here.
The
street.
The
bin
is
absolutely
packed
full
and
the
letters
up
and
down
the
street.
I
So
when
do
we
get
to
the
bottom
of
this
as
to
what
the
sga
is
around
staff
resources
now
or
that
will
never
get
on
top
of
the
issue
of
staff
resources?
So
you
know
I
would
ask,
and
we
talk
about
the
street
cleansing
part
of
the
report.
That's
to
be
done.
That's
timetabled
it
for
in
the
next
six
to
12
months.
I
We
need
a
resolution
to
this
within
one
month
so
a
day
so
that
we
know
that
we're
not
ringing
continuously
in
all
the
time
to
to
complain
when
people
are
coming
to
us
about
this.
So
really
that
aspect
of
things.
I
would
ask
that
something's
done.
You
know
very
immediately,
on
some
type
of
a
report
brought
back
to
give
us
an
indication
as
to
where
the
staff
issues
are
in
this
department
that
something
could
be
done.
P
Thank
you
chair
and
not
deliver
the
point.
I
certainly
thank
counselor
hawking
for
bringing
it
up.
The
standard
certainly
has
slipped
all
over
all
over
the
border.
P
It
doesn't
matter
what
town
you
go
to
it's
the
same
everywhere
now
we're
we're
not
so
bad
in
the
main
street
in
barbados,
because
we
have
the
fella
goes
around
with
the
with
we've
been,
but
you
go
off
the
main
streets
and
things
like
that,
and
it's
very
disappointing
not
what
we
were
used
to
and
if
we
don't
continually
empty
the
dog
bins
and
the
leather
bins
in
the
streets
and
they're
overflowing.
P
We
provide
them
and
we
expect
people
to
use
them
if
they're
overflowing
and
people
don't
use
them,
it's
going
to
be
somewhere
else,
so
I
mean
it
has
to
be
somewhere
along
the
line
as
as
alderman
moody
said
there.
You
know,
if
there's
a
staffing
problem,
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
this
very
seriously
to
see
how
we
can
remedy
it.
P
H
Yes,
thank
you.
Each
are
those
chairs,
just
like
others,
glenbard's
wood.
I
was
mentioned
about
bomb
bridge,
but
I
would
sort
of
slightly
disagree
on
that
up
and
down
the
street
every
day
and
we
still
have
a
major
suvs
dog
filing.
H
Even
though
we
do
have
someone
that's
deciding
about
with
the
card,
the
bins
are
filled,
but
the
door
phones
done
a
no
one
shop
recently
was
posting
that
someone
had
then
just
decided
to
wipe
it
all
over
the
front
of
their
shop
and
on
their
windowsill
right
right
when
they
cleaned
it
off
their
feet.
So
I
think
it
is
still
quite
an
issue
in
the
town
and
on
the
street
and
oh
recently,
there
was
a
heavy
rains.
H
There's
not
a
lot
of
moss
came
off
the
roof
and
their
perfect
place
were
covered
on
it
for
for
days
up
and
down
the
town.
I
know
it's
the
same
issue
and
ralph
ryland
has
been
quite
an
increase
up
there,
so
it's
just
highlighted
again
for
that
area,
and
just
what
just
to
come
back
counselor
wilson
did
bring
up.
I
think
maybe
the
last
council
meeting
about
the
machine
we
had
to
clean
the
pavements
and
stuff
we
just
wanted
to
really
update
on
that.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
members
for
for
the
comments
on
on
this
matter
and
obviously
there's
a
number
of
issues
which
you
have
raised.
We
are
looking
at
holding
a
further
workshop
in
relation
to
environmental
services
matters.
So
if
members
are
content,
we'll
take
a
note
of
the
issues
raise
tonight
and
bring
you
an
update
to
that
workshop,
which
we're
hoping
to
schedule
for
later
in
the
month
of
members
are
content
with
that.
Q
Q
I
am
never
off
at
never
offered
and
to
be
fair
part
to
pour
down
my
own
day
are,
are
not
too
bad
and
credit
where
credit's
g,
but
I'm
being
told
the
same
thing
all
the
time,
and-
and
you
know
what
I
like
about
the
staff,
our
staff
are
fantastic,
but
my
prayer
bin
men
weren't
coming
to
my
house
tonight,
till
after
five
o'clock
and
like
that's
no
problem
for
me,
I'm
glad
the
work.
I'm
glad
that
we're
there,
because
I
know
for
this
last
month,
there'll
be
more
barry,
there's
been
left
after
left.
Q
After
left,
my
heart
been
broke
and,
and
people
get
so
emphasized
about
their
bins.
You
know,
and
and
because
of
this
it's
just
one
of
those
things
it's
like
when
my
bin
goes
out
in
carnegie
neighbors,
looking
to
see
who's
been
what
been
it
is.
You
know
it's
one
of
these
things
so
and
we
know
that
the
staff
off
and
we
know
that
their
staff
ill
and
and
wish
them
well.
We
hope
that
they
don't
be
too
badly
affected,
but
there's
clearly
there's
there's
clearly
something.
Q
So
you
see
this
workshop
because
again
see
that
these
workshops-
these
are
starting
to
drive
me
mad
too,
because
it's
just
the
same
over
and
over
and
over.
I
remember
and
I
think,
counselor
hockey
and
sat
on
one
with
me
a
number
of
years
ago
over
the
summer
to
try
to
iron
things
out.
There's
very
few
of
us
went
to
them.
I
have
to
be
honest,
but
that's
a
good
number
of
years
ago.
This
is
gonna,
be
the
same
thing
I
want
to
know.
Q
Will
some
of
our
actual
operational
staff
be
present
at
some
of
these
meetings
to
actually
walk
us
through
what
is
actually
going
on
on
the
ground,
because
it's
those
it's
those
people
on
the
ground?
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
properly
talking
to.
So
that's
all
I'm
good,
because
otherwise
I'll
just
keep
going.
Thank
you.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Absolutely,
I
don't
disagree
with
anything.
We
are
having
a
a
very
difficult
time
in
getting
staff
out,
however,
and
I
think
they
have
to
be
honest
with
you
at
this
time
of
the
year
and
nearly
every
year
we
have
staff
and
problems
okay,
and
it
relates
to
lots
of
different
things
and
that's
exactly
what
we'd
be
working
on
this
year
and
and
we
will
involve
those
staff
on
the
ground
on
dealing
with
that.
D
So
this
is
not
going
to
be
barry
sitting
here,
deciding
how
we're
going
to
move
things
and
how
we're
going
to
change
things.
This
will
be
done
with
elected
members.
This
will
be
done
with
the
staff
at
all
levels,
because
we
are
all
in
a
position
that
this
is
not
linked,
direct,
obviously
at
the
minute.
D
To
to
listen
to
what
members
are
saying
more,
not
that
we
haven't.
We
always
listen
to
members,
but
it's
bringing
that
down
and
making
the
change,
and
the
number
of
things
that
will
be
happening
this
year
will
all
feed
into
that
and
allow
it
to
happen
for
the
first
time
that
we
will
bring
those
all
together-
and
I
think,
a
very
important
part
of
that
will
be
the
operational
staff
as
well
as
elected
members.
H
Yes,
and
thank
you
just
very
briefly,
it's
just
on
the
point
there
that
was
made
about
the
workshops
and
stuff.
I
suppose
it
could
be
just
make
sure
that
the
art
might
be
leaving
time,
that
people
can't
suit
and
not
in
the
twelfth
fortnight
and
stuff.
You
know
there
was
one
over
the
summer
where
I
don't
know
peter
flagler's
mentioned
it
right,
not
many
attend,
but
I
do
remember
being
away
on
holiday
and
seeing
them
coming
through
and
stuff
in
the
12
14
the
first
week
in
july.
So
it's
just.