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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Environmental Services Committee on Tuesday the 7th of December 2021 at 6.30pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre.
A
C
E
Thank
you
chair
good
evening
members.
This
report
relates
to
our
consumer
safety
duty
within
council
and
the
offer
of
funding
for
the
second
year
from
the
office
of
product
safety
and
standards
within
the
uk
government
department
of
business,
energy
and
industrial
strategy
and
opus
have
been
funding
us
now
to
carry
out
to
assist
us
to
carry
out
our
strategy
duty
in
relation
to
consumer
safety
and
in
supporting
local
businesses
to
fulfill
those
duties.
E
This
year,
the
funding
is
coming
through
a
lead
council
agreement
where
causeway
coast
and
glands
draw
down
the
funding
on
behalf
of
all
of
the
other
councils
and
so
members
as
an
sla
between
cosby
coast
and
glenn's,
and
each
of
the
councils
really
on
an
operational
basis
in
order
to
assist
with
the
work
which
we're
doing
on
reporting
on
the
work
in
our
status
ud
in
relation
to
consumer
safety.
So
members,
I
recommend
that
you
grant
approval
to
sign
the
sla
between
causeway
coast
and
glands
and
abc
kinds
of.
Thank
you.
F
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
members
that
take
you
to
the
decisions
required
and
the
members
agree
the
following
steps
in
respect
of
the
application
process
and
on
the
renewal
process
for
pavement
cafe
licenses,
and
there
are
five
points
there
members.
You
may
recall
that
during
the
recovery
phase
last
summer
to
cover
19,
we
put
into
place
a
streamlined
process
for
the
processing
of
pavement.
Cafe,
licenses
and
you'll
see
there
the
decisions
that
were
taken
back
in
june
2020.
E
B
D
E
E
E
E
Was
the
full
data
set
table,
one
showing
you
the
type
of
material
that
effects
penalties
are
served
for,
and
I
think
members
sort
of
a
rough
estimation,
I'm
sure
you've
been
doing
a
few
sums
yourself.
Cigarette
letter
accounts
for
in
around
eighty-two
percent
of
all
that
only
serve
food
and
gum
related,
seven
percent
bottles
cans,
drinks,
four
percent
dog
filing
at
two
percent,
and
I
think
members,
if
you
recall
from
our
detailed
discussions
on
this
before
the
pilot,
was
set
up.
E
E
So
actually
we
are
faring
better
on
a
number
of
the
other
types
of
littering.
Material.
You'll
also
see
members
a
table
of
four
patrolling
locations,
and
I
know
that
you're
very
interested
in
that
as
well.
I
did
highlight
in
the
report-
and
I
hope
you
don't
mind
me
highlighting
here
again-
where
a
particular
town
or
village
doesn't
appear
on
the
table.
That
does
not
mean
that
it
hasn't
received
patrolling
attention.
E
What
it
means
is,
it's
received
patrolling
attention,
but
we
there
has
been
no
fixed
penalties
issued
and
not
and
members
again
they
issue
around
intelligence,
and
I
know
that
any
information
that
you
share
with
us
anything
which
is
shared
from
the
public.
We
create
that,
and
that
goes
to
wise
on
a
weekly
basis,
and
that
is
getting
us
some
very
good
results,
particularly
in
the
dog
filing
airy
and
especially
actually
in
the
last
month
so
november.
E
We
did
do
very
well
in
terms
of
fixed
penalty
notices
for
dog,
foiling,
I
think,
on
top
of
the
stats
you
have
in
front
of
you,
I
think
in
november
there
were
five
additional
which
it
takes.
A
fair
few
that
have
worked
on
that
regard,
and
then
follow-up
process
is
what
we're
currently
underway
in
terms
of
following
up
any
unpaid,
fixed
penalty
notices,
and
then
our
communications
messages,
what
we've
done
to
date
and
what
is
planned
so
members
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Should
you
be,
should
you
have
any?
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
jillian
for
your
report.
Yeah,
it's
good
to
see
this.
I
mean,
I
think
everybody
knew
it
wasn't
going
to
be
the
perfect
system
when
it
was
brought
in,
but
it
was
certainly
improvement
on
what
we
had.
I
suppose
my
question
is
around
table
two
and
I
know
you've
caveated
table
two
by
saying:
if
something
doesn't
appear,
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it
wasn't
visited.
I
suppose
my
question
would
be.
There
is
huge
discrepancy
between
our
three
or
four
main
large
centers.
H
We've
got
put
it
down,
1327,
which
is
43
percent,
and
you've
got
craig
sorry,
lurgan
and
bombridge
are
sitting
relatively
low.
Is
there
I
suppose
my
question
would
be
are?
Are
we
are
you
as
officers
content,
that
the
time
is
being
spent
equally
in
our
major
town,
centers
and
our
major
areas?
Is
it
being
divided
equally,
because
those
statistics
would
indicate
that
either
there's
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
offenses
being
committed
in
some
ways
than
others
or
else
those
officers?
Those
wise
officers
are
not
in
areas
as
much
as
others.
E
I
think
also
around
the
prevalence
of
smokers
in
that
area,
because
that's
where
we're
getting
the
most
penalty.
So
where
are
the
prevalence
of
smokers
in
those
areas?
In
terms
of
the
data,
we
have
been
working
with
wise
around
trying
to
better
understand
how
they're
classifying
where
they
are
truly
and
we
have
been
working
on
them
with
them
to
try
and
understand
that
a
bit
better.
So
I
don't,
it
may
well
be
that
there
is
additional
time
spent
one
or
the
other,
because
that's
where
the
most
offenses
are
likely
to
take
place.
E
But
equally,
I
do
understand
the
members
question
in
terms
of
how
do
we
fight
that
time,
and
that
is
something
that
and
those
managing
the
y
staff
will
look
for
and
I'll
ask
them
again.
Is
there
any
more
information
that
might
be
useful
in
helping
us
keep
and
make
sure
the
resources
are
distributed
as
they
ought
to
be.
H
Yeah,
look
at
I'm,
not
I'm
not
going
to
leave
her
the
point.
I
think
that's
that's
for
a
comment
from
jillian.
You
know
it's
it's
going
to
be
something
that
twists
and
turns
as
we
go
on
with
it,
but
any
information
on
that
I
said
jillian.
It's
just
those
statistics
would
indicate
that
there's
more
time
spent
in
some
than
others,
but
I
agree
the
the
point
as
well
about
intelligence
layout.
H
B
F
Hello,
sorry,
apologies
there.
Thank
you
jillian
for
the
report.
I
like
counselor
hockey
and
I'm
supportive
of
what
has
been
done.
I
think
we're
in
a
better
position
than
we.
There
were
at
this
time
last
year.
It's
good
to
see
that
the
company
is
recruiting
locally
as
as
well.
Can
I
ask
then
just
for
clarification
on
table
two.
You
have
craig
and
craig
alvin's
center.
F
What
what
is
the
difference
there?
I
don't
assume
for
a
minute
that
there
are
146
tickets
issued
in
the
grounds
of
the
civic
center,
but
if
you
could
just
clarify
that,
maybe
jillian,
please,
and
also
what
is
the
current
status
and
staff
complement
of
our
in-house
team
that
were
doing
this.
Among
all
our
duties
before
the
company
came
on
board.
E
Thank
you,
counselor
mojay.
If
you
will
give
me
indulgence,
I
will
go
back
and
check
how
they're
classifying
that
information,
because
I
think
that
has
been
something
that
whenever
I
saw
the
draft
report
and
that
a
few
days
ago
or
last
week,
it's
something
I
wanted
to
check
up
on
so
we're
working
with
the
company
just
on
their
classifications.
E
E
I
suspect
one
of
those
categories
might
be
the
commercial
center
and
the
other
would
be
the
surrounding
areas
where
they
patrol
the
surrounding
areas,
but
I
will
come
back
to
all
of
the
members
and
confirm
one
way
or
the
other
on
that,
and
then
you
asked
about
our
own
staffing,
I'm
just
doing
a
quick
update
on
that.
We
currently
have
two
part-time.
E
E
So
we
retain
that,
as
part
of
I
suppose,
of
the
review
of
of
how
this
pilot
is
working
and
also
members.
As
you
know,
one
of
the
the
clear
directions
from
remembers
was
that
our
own
in-house
team
would
certainly
bring
an
added
value
and
a
different
approach
to
the
work
which
we
do
and
I
think
that
has
been
borne
out
in
the
allied
work
that
we
do
around.
I
I
E
E
Take
back
to
a
report
some
time
ago
where
that
was
set
out
for
members,
and
I
think
that
the
one
the
number
one
coming
back
was
that
members
wish
to
see
an
increase
in
enforcement
and
then-
and
I
wish
to
see
an
increase
in
the
level
of
flexibilities
that
certainly
has
been
achieved
in
terms
of
evaluating.
We
didn't
carry
out
a
pre-study
evaluation,
specifically
on
this.
E
The
challenge
is,
of
course,
as
you
see
here,
the
vast
80
over
80
percent
for
cigarette
litter
and
people-
probably
don't
notice
cigarette
thoughts
just
kind
of
a
normal
letter,
perhaps
outside
a
bar
or
outside
a
you
know,
a
place
of
entertainment
or
an
education
establishment.
Perhaps,
whereas
the
other
types
of
litter
are
much
more
and
will
remain
visible.
E
So
in
terms
of
evaluating,
we
would
probably
rely
on
that
work
done
by
keep
northern
ireland
beautiful
and
that's
something
that
barry
and
I
will
discuss
and
to
see
when
the
next
of
those
surveys
will
be
taking
place.
I
think
also.
We
would
hope
that
this
would
be
a
deterrent
in
order
to
hopefully
encourage
people
not
to
drop
litter.
C
C
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
jillian
for
that
report.
Just
a
couple
of
questions.
Let's
put
it
down
there,
but
you
see
the
number
1327
and
then
all
the
parts
of
the
border
down
to
ea
if
they
them
itemize
their,
but
there
are
parts
of
the
dea
like,
as
previous
speakers
have
said,
they
haven't
been
mentioned
and
nice
to
see
a
presence
of
why
it's
in
there.
C
The
other
question
as
well,
then,
is
our
walkways
and
pathways
through
the
borough
to
wise
patrol
days.
I
have
seen
myself
several
times
on
these
walkways
and
dog
owners
coming.
One
dog
owner
was
up
to
five
or
six
dogs,
and
I
always
say
it's
impossible.
It's
bad
enough,
santa
like
after
one
dog,
but
how
are
these
people
managing
this
as
regards
lifting
up
dogs
that
are
following
their
walks?
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
I
think,
as
I've
mentioned,
we
have
been
in
other
parts,
but
they
may
not
be
down
here
if
kind,
stuff,
you're
interested
in
the
same
type
of
information
as
counselor
I'll
try
to
verify
that
for
you.
Yes,
when
you
refer
to
walkways,
you
know,
are
you
talking
about
the
black
cycle
paths
or
or
the
parks?
Is
that
what
you're
thinking
of.
J
Thank
you
chair.
Some
of
the
questions
actually
that
I
have
have
already
been
answered
to
a
certain
degree,
but
I'm
sure
jillian
will
know,
I'm
quite
intrigued
by
this
1327
figure
and
poured
down.
I
had
a
number
of
queries,
probably
more
late
summer.
Early
autumn
from
constituents
in
town
here
were
slightly
perturbed
by
the
presence
of
of
whites,
and
I
I
think
it
would
be
remiss
of
me
not
not
to
mention
it.
J
You
know
jillian
that
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this
have
been
from
the
get
go,
and
I
see
from
the
report
that
the
officers
just
looking
for
it
here
and
environmental
service
have
said
they
do
believe.
I
did
read
it
there
a
second
ago.
They
do
believe
perhaps
that
there
it
is
difficult
to
quantify,
but
the
colleagues
in
environmental
services
do
believe,
there's
been
an
improvement
in
the
quantity
of
litter,
clearly
not
in
the
middle
of
ordain.
J
J
It
seems
like
a
huge
number.
That
would
just
be
my
one
and
only
point
about
it.
I've
seen
them
about
poured
down.
I
wish
they
were
a
bit
more
labeled.
Perhaps
the
uniform
was
a
bit
more
stark
that
you
knew
what
the
worm
might
put
people
off.
However,
generally
jillian,
you
know,
I've
spoken
to
some
of
your
your
colleagues
about
this
generally
supportive
of
them,
but
there's
got
to
be
something
that
there's
for
a
43
percent.
J
E
If
you
want
me
to
come
out
here,
I
count
on
that.
I
think,
as
I
said,
there
are
some
the
way
that
some
of
these
areas
have
been
grouped
together,
I'm
not
entirely.
I
wouldn't
be
entirely
confident
to
say
to
you
that
this,
and
it
says
that
applies
only
to
49
center,
so
I
need
to
better
understand,
which
is
what
I
have
asked
for
further
information.
But
members.
I
did
want
to
give
you
something
tonight,
but
it
did
come
with
the
caveat,
but
it
is
perhaps
not
entirely
the
full
picture
and
the
full
understanding.
E
So
I'm
sure
we've
had
you
know,
I'm
sure-
and
I
hope
you
all
understand
that
and
the
questions
and
answers
that
we've
we've
dealt
with
this
evening.
So
I
think
that
can
account
for
one
part
of
that,
but
it
will
account
for
football.
It
will
also
account
when
you
set
that
against
82
percent
of
cigarette
smoking
letter.
B
J
K
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
joanne
for
the
report,
and
it's
good
to
see
the
report
here
tonight.
Can,
I
suppose,
just
a
couple
questions
ryan.
Is
there
any
evidence
that,
in
some
of
these
areas
that
have
been
that
they
have
went
back
and
there
hasn't
been,
as
many
cases
dropped
or
much
later
there
and
maybe
they've,
moved
on
the
different
areas,
and
also,
I
think
it's
maybe
around
again.
We
need
to
promote
it,
maybe
possibly
a
bit
more
coming
up
the
christmas
time.
K
K
It's
going
to
be
continuously
there
all
day,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
people
have
spotted
you
know
ways
been
out
and
about
so
I
think,
being
visible
and
on
the
ground
is
very
important,
but
just
interested
to
know
if
I'm
not
expecting
to
have
the
information,
but
if
they
have
found
certain
areas
that
come
back
to
you
from
the
nicely
started
that
you
know
they're
not
getting
the
same
numbers,
which
would
be
a
good
sign
if
it's
getting
through.
Thank
you,
sir.
E
Yes,
I
believe
that
would
be
the
case
that
there
would
be
a
deterrent
effect
and
word
does
go
about
in
terms
of
of
that
side
of
it
publicize
and
more
visible.
Again,
I
mean
they're
in
a
navy
uniform.
They
are
branded
with
council
local
they're
branded
with
the
wise
logo
as
well.
They
are
quite
distinctive
when
they
are
are
walking
about
in.
E
In
my
view,
they
are
very
official,
looking
they're,
very
smart
in
terms
of
publicizing,
as
I
always
say
to
to
members
in
terms
of
publicizing,
I
like
to
bring
this
information
to
you
first
and
then
we
will
move
into
a
bit
more
social
media,
whether
that
be
pre-christmas
or
our
post-christmas,
but
we
will
certainly
be
looking
at
some
new
new
messages
probably
will
be
after
christmas.
At
this
stage,.
B
L
Burns
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
jillian
fully
supportive
of
this
game.
I
think
it's
great
and
to
see
that
the
number
of
people
who
have
been
taking
it.
My
concern
well
one
of
the
questions
and
you
can
find
it
out
for
me
and
give
me
back
the
information
you
have
122
in
bomb
bridge.
Is
that
just
a
town
center
or
is
that
the
outskirts,
because
we're
still
getting
complaints
about
dogfighting,
ballygown
castle,
walnut
road
and
the
town
center
itself?
L
You
know
the
the
footpaths
are
atrocious,
so
I
would
like
to
think
that
it's
not
just
the
train
center
the
spread
out,
but
there
is
a
big
dog
firing
concern
in
the
town
center
itself.
So
maybe
you
would
give
me
that
information
back
julian
and
I
do
hope
it
is
a
determined
deterrent
for
anybody
who
has
been
caught
so
far.
It's
certainly
a
fine
is
the
first
thing
that
will
make
people
think
twice.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
Happy
to
do
that
kind,
slivers
and
yeah
intelligence
led
us
where
we
have
got
our
best
results
in
terms
of
dog
filing,
especially
in
the
month
of
of
november
there.
So
again,
any
information
whatever
is
always
passed
on
and
that's
what
yields
the
best
results.
I
think,
if
you
recall,
whenever
the
company
spoke
with
us,
it
takes
eight
hours
of
normal
patrolling
to
detect
one
offense
for
dog
filing.
M
M
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
can
confirm
that
all
of
the
areas
aren't
the
team
working.
It
is
legally
enforceable,
so
litter
is
dropped
in
the
open
air,
whether
that's
private
land,
public
land.
So
it
is
entirely
all
in
the
open
air,
and
I
believe
that
is
one
of
the
questions
which
we
address
on
the
faqs
on
the
website.
G
Thank
you
chair,
and
thank
you
jillian
for
for
the
report.
I
suppose
my
comment
is
jillian.
Despite
a
huge
number
of
fines
being
handed
out
in
pour
down,
dogfighting
on
west
street,
in
particular,
can
still
continues
to
be
a
big
problem
now
I
know
some
of
this
dog
finance
occurring
early
in
the
morning
late
at
night
and
there's
a
difficulty
detecting
it,
but
it's
there's
still
problems
and
the
dog
fighting,
especially
in
the
busy
thoroughfare
at
the
time,
is,
is
an
issue,
and
we
need
to
keep
our
focus
on
that
as
well.
G
Generally
welcome
the
scheme,
as
with
other
members,
but
again
you
know
how
it
seems
a
bit
disproportionate
across
across
the
area.
So
I
mean
that's
something:
maybe
we
can
examine,
but
if
I
can
digress
just
slightly
as
we're
talking
about
clean
neighborhoods
and
about
ways
and
and
that's
the
issue
that
barry
will
be
well
aware
of
as
well
and
that's
the
anna
flight
have
been
in
the
anna
in
the
last
month
or
so
has
been
crazy.
G
It
is
unreal
and
I'm
not
so
sure
that
as
a
council,
we
can
continue
to
send
a
van
in
there
almost
every
single
morning
to
pick
up
all
sorts
of
whether
it's
black
bin
bags,
whether
it's
beds,
tvs
you
name
it
queen
street
burnbury,
avenue,
coronation
street
and
the
thomas
street.
It's
it's
wild
and
if
there's
anything
more
that
we
can
do
to
highlight
it
or
use
wise
or
an
environmental
wardens.
You
know
I
would
really
appreciate
that,
maybe
maybe
barry.
Maybe
we
want
to
come
back
and
now.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
Claire,
I
suppose,
barry
and
I
will
be
able
to
dovetail
into
this
one.
Yes,
the
wise
have
been
in
there.
Yes,
they
have,
they
have
been
as
have
our
own
staff
and
where
we're
seeing
and
where
we're
seeing
anything
that
site
that
has
the
potential
for
evidence
that
is
being
that
is
being
looked
at
and
we
have
been
able
to
serve
some
letter
of
expertise
and
some
note
information
notices
trying
to
take
some
information.
B
D
E
If
members
so
wish,
we
can
do
that
if
it's
something
that
crosses
over
between
barry
and
myself.
I
think
this
report
was
solely
to
do
with
the
wise
contract,
because
that
was
sort
of
evaluating
and
monitoring
how
that
is
operating,
and
so
that
members
were
kept
up
to
date
in
relation
to
that
private
contractor.
But
I
think
we
would
need
to
be
guided.
What
is
it?
Members
would
be
looking
to
see
in
a
different
type
of
report
to
this
one
about
wise.
D
D
D
N
Jillian
may
be
able
to
give
information
about
the
fines
and
stuff
before
flight
happened,
but
as
you're
right
here,
we
have
tried
to
give
information
to
members
before
the
problem
is
with
a
lot
of
the
illegal
dumping.
Our
staff
will
just
generally
lift
it,
they
do
check
and
bags,
etc,
etc.
But
we
don't
necessarily
record
that
so
any
information
we
would
give
you
about
flight
typing
or
that
sort
of
dumping.
N
Members
will
be
aware
it
will
be
a
very
low
number
compared
to
what
we're
actually
doing
on
any
given
day
as
you've
mentioned
in
honor.
We
are
in
a
on
a
number
of
areas
and
members
will
know
there
is,
and
I'm
talking
about
on
a
very
regular
basis
because
of
the
amount
of
dumping
jillian
has
already
said.
N
D
C
B
O
Thank
you
thank
you
for
bringing
me
in
and
thanks
for
the
report
in
terms
of
the
way
stuff
yeah,
I'm
just
looking
there
and
I
just
read
them
through
the
report
and
noticed
I
was
supposed
to
get
in
parochial.
The
two
places.
The
three
places
that
I
represent
were
very
partially
recorded
here
and
not
at
all
and
in
terms
of
weinstein
and
donald
trump.
Now
I
know
it
does
say
this
because
they're
not
recorded
doesn't
mean
there's
no
patrols
there,
but
I
would
be
interested
chilling
to
see
you
know.
O
When
was
the
patrols
there,
because
nobody's
heard
tell
them
around
here,
nobody's
ever
seen
them
or
I
suppose,
and
the
expectation
was
that
they
hadn't
been
attacking
the
dog
fighting,
because
lately,
dogs,
island
in
donald
trump
main
street
were
instantly
in
street
and
maypole
held,
particularly
in
dremore,
getting
dan
daily
complaints
about
it.
I've
rang
in
a
few
times,
and
I
always
encourage
those
who
recorded
the
later
reported
to
the
council
as
well
to
say
about
getting
wise
out.
You
know,
I
know
what
those
happens.
Lavell
said
earlier
christopher.
O
It
does
happen
early
in
the
morning.
It's
hard
to
detect,
but
even
in
terms
of
the
social
media
and
peace
afterwards
about
you
know
what
might
actually
advertise
about
what
the
council
is
actually
doing
in
terms
of
that
in
the
rural
villages,
because
while
they
appreciate
the
private
business
and
the
bonanza,
yes,
it's
going
to
be
at
the
shopping
centers
for
the
downtown
central
american
center.
O
It's
a
huge
issue
and
wearing
sound
in
particular
and
made
paul
hellinger
more
and
of
late
have
been
in
real
hot
spots
for
dog
parlor.
You
know,
we've
been
banging
on
about
it
for
10
years
and
it's
never.
It's
never
changed.
It's
never
got
any
better,
so
you
know
there's
really
maybe
an
opportunity
to
try
and
knock
off
my
head.
E
Again,
does
the
same
comments
apply?
You
know
they
will
have
been
there
and
I
can
go
back
and
get
a
breakdown
for
the
member,
and
then
we
can
certainly
look
up
at
some
social
media
around
the
dog
filing
in
particular
and
again
just
really
encourage
people
to
ring
into
the
office
or
for
members
to
give
that
intelligence.
Anything
that
comes
in
and
is
passed
to
the
team.
B
B
F
F
Well,
actually,
I
wanted
to
commend
a
second,
a
proposal
that
councillor
duffy
made
if
that's
possible,
counselor
megarath
made
a
reference
to
an
aryan
porter
down
where
there's
flight
happen
going
on
on
a
nightly
basis.
Quite
rightly,
and
I
have
seen
that
as
well,
but
I
want
to
know
what
our
council
resources
are
doing
and
zillion
has
outlined
that
there's
two
full-time
and
two
part-time
resources
there,
so
counselor
duffy
has
asked
for
information
really.
E
In
the
hands
of
the
members,
I
am
content
to
bring
back
information.
If
that
is
so
requested-
and
I
think
I
said
it
would
be
around
how
we
can
deal
with
that
issue
of
flight
typing
using
our
part
under
letter
in
terms
of
searching
for
evidence,
etc,
etc,
and
I
can
bring
that
back
and
other
steps,
whichever
which
we're
taking
in
those
areas,
in
particular
hand
in
hand
alongside
barry's
team,
and
we
can
look
at
that,
and
I
I
would
hope
from
that.
E
Member
should
have
the
confidence
that
we
are
operating
where
we
can
to
try
and
get
whatever
results
we
can.
But
I
think
the
caveat
would
be
that
that
just
time-wise
it
would
not,
unfortunately,
be
able
to
be
january
because
of
the
tight
turnaround
with
a
pre-christmas
break.
If
members
understand
that
and
hopefully
that
might
be
suitable,
that's
fine.
Thank.
C
E
E
Members
we
have
no
powers
over
nia
to
make
them
do
as
we
so
wish
in
the
time
frame
that
we
would
wish
it
to
be
done.
But
we
do,
of
course,
follow
up
any
queries
and
encourage
them
to
attend
to
them,
as
we
would
like
them
attended
to.
If
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
there,
but
if
there
are
any
queries
which
you've
passed
to
me
that
have
gone
to
niea,
we
do
follow
that
up
and
try
to
encourage
it
being
brought
to
a
conclusion.
E
Members,
following
on
from
the
report
last
month,
there
were
additional
inquiries
and
additional
information
which
was
sought.
We
have
sought
to
set
it
out
in
terms
of
each
of
the
four
points
which
members
needed
within
the
committee
and
attempted
to
address
each
of
those
underneath
that
I
hope
members.
It
has
clarified
some
of
the
issues
around
the
steps
which
the
council
has
taken
or
which
it
can
take,
and
also
those
which,
unfortunately,
it
is
not
able
to
take
by
virtue
of
information
and
private
and
personal
information
members.
E
P
So
the
department
of
justice
can
be
and
should
be
doing
more
and
secondly,
we
know
we
should
be
asking
the
department
of
justice
and
because
it
is
within
the
arena
to
restrict
the
dates
on
which
these
private
family
displays
are
lies.
So
all
of
that
is
noted
within
the
ladder
and
I'm
happy
to
propose.
B
N
Thank
you
members.
I
hope
I
get
through
this
all
right.
These
have
been
freezing
off
and
on
all
evening,
I've
now
banned
the
kids
from
going
on
any
out
electronic
items.
So
I
have
a
house
full
of
unhappy
kids,
but
we'll
try
we'll
try
to
go
through.
Yes,
four
point
numbers:
it's
a
consultation
from
dara
in
relation
to
the
reduction
of
single-use
plastic
beverages
and
cup
on
food
containers.
N
I
know
members
are
18
about
environmental
credentials
and
and
going
forward
really
officers
have
tried
their
best
to
put
in
responses
to
this,
and
we
are
seeking
your
approval.
If
there's
anything,
obviously
the
members
wish
to
discuss
I'm
happy
to
go
through
that
with
them.
The
date
of
the
closing
is
the
17th
of
december.
Q
Thompson,
thank
you,
cherry
chair
and
thank
you
barry
for
the
report.
Yeah.
It
was
just
I'm
happy
to
second
the
consultation
response
and
the
only
other
way
point
that
I
had-
and
it's
maybe
not
for
discussion
tonight,
but
maybe
one
for
for
a
future
committee
is
if
it
would
be
possible
just
to
get
a
wii
update,
maybe
at
some
point
for
information
about
what
council
is
doing
in
terms
of
your
own
single-use
plastics,
because
nobody
that's
worked
that
you
and
your
team
were
involved
in.
Q
N
H
N
Thank
you.
Yes,
members.
The
report
in
front
of
you
from
the
discussions
that
we
had
last
month
and
I
think
at
full
council
as
well.
It
tries
to
set
out
the
the
differences,
I
suppose
in
what
we
are
doing
in
verge
management
and
let
it
grow,
which
many
of
you
will
understand
as
a
as
sort
of
a
phrase
that
is
used
for
for
literally
letting
root
sides
grow.
What
we
then
do
is
we
cut
them
once
a
year.
N
The
wildflowers
will
reseed
in
that
and
then
over
time
there
will
be
more
and
more
flowers
and
less
and
less
grass.
It's
a
very
sustainable
way
to
do
it.
It's
a
very
good
thing
in
relation
to
biodiversity,
but
it
doesn't
give
the
same
color
an
impact
as
a
more
managed
and
planted
wildflowers
that
that
often
members
will
see
in
different
places.
We
have
a
few
of
them
in
our
our
premises
as
well.
So
there's
three
options
here,
obviously
laid
out
for
you
as
members.
N
The
first
is
that
we
keep
doing
what
we're
doing
now
and
there
will
be
no
additional
cost
of
that.
We
keep
doing
what
we're
doing.
As
I
say,
marcus
and
the
team
at
oxford,
and
are
very
pleased
with
the
results
coming
from
that
in
relation
to
biodiversity,
we
could
go
to
option
two
which
has
increased
those
to
about
15
round
the
bar.
Obviously,
as
we
also
discussed
at
the
last
meeting,
those
would
be
sites
that
were
safe
to
do
so.
N
The
third
option,
then,
is
that
we
would
buy
and
plant
seeds,
which
would
then
have
that
impact
that
members
maybe
are
are
thinking
of
when
they
talk
about
when
think
about
wildflowers,
I
suppose
the
considerations
around
that
is
yes,
it
will
be
a
fairly
instantaneous,
beautiful
flower
display,
but
that's
exactly
what
it
is.
So
those
tend
to
last
I
mean
you
know
it's
not.
We
can't
hold
it
to
it.
It
could
last
two
years
it
might
last
three
years,
then
we
have
to
cut
them
down.
N
We
have
to
prepare
the
land
again
and
we
have
to
replant
them.
The
cost,
for
that
is
approximately
sort
of
37
and
a
half
thousand.
We
don't
have
that
in
a
budget
at
the
minute
the
f
members
were
made
to
go
in
this
direction,
then
it
would
have
to
go
through
the
estimates
process,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
just
highlight
to
members
is
that
you
will
all
pardon
me.
N
You
will
all
know
that
we
went
through
a
number
of
months
of
bearing
about
planting
summer
flowers
and
some
are
betting
on
how
we
could
maybe
try
to
reduce
that
down
and
harmonize
that
in
some
way
and
that
led
to
agreement
from
members
and
a
proposal
from
members
actually
that
we
would
reduce
up
a
few
thousand
pounds
a
year
for
the
next
number
of
years.
It's
just
to
bear
that
in
mind.
N
There
is
in
relation
to
the
planted
version
that
we
would
have
to
plant
every
couple
of
years
and
therefore
a
budget
would
be
needed
in
that
way
and
then
the
diversion
that
we
have
at
the
minute,
perhaps
extending
that
that
is
very
sustainable,
very
good
for
biodiversity,
doesn't
necessarily
look
as
attractive
year.
One
but
open
to
members
comments,
thoughts
and
questions
thanks,
chair.
H
Was
that
just
yeah?
No,
I
was
just
quick
off
the
mark
for
this
one
yeah.
The
thank
thank
you
for
that
mancher
and
thank
you.
Barry
for
your
report.
Suppose
look
I'm
happy
enough
and
and
we
as
a
group
are
happy
enough
to
support
option
two,
so
I
am
willing
to
propose
that
if
members
are
agreed
as
well,
but
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
I
don't
want
to
draw
a
lane
under
it.
H
I
think
option
two
is
reflective
of
where
we
may
be
right
now,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
looking
of
how
we
move
the
option
three
now.
The
one
concern
I
had
about
this
report
was
that
if
we
assume
that
option
three
could
only
be
funded
through
or
in
conjunction
with
our
previous
floor
kind
of
agreement
around
cutting
the
budget,
that's
very
restrictive.
H
H
That
would
potentially
look
at
supporting
us
doing
that,
but
as
well
as
that,
I
think,
there's
potential
I
mean
more
more
and
more
of
these
projects
are
going
to
probably
be
coming
up
before
our
committees,
and
this
might
be
something
maybe
more
for
governance
than
here,
but
should
we
be
looking
as
a
council
of
setting
up
some
sort
of
green
fund
to
look
at
projects
like
this?
That
could
potentially
be
a
benefit
across
different
committees?
So
I
suppose
too.
H
Yes,
we
are
happy
to
support
for
now,
but
we
shouldn't
draw
a
line
under
this.
I
would
I
would
hope
I
would
hope,
without
putting
too
much
pressure
on
your
body,
that
we
could
have
reports
in
the
in
the
new
year,
possibly
showing
alternative
ways
to
fund
to
make
this
bigger,
but
option
two
is
probably
where
we're
at
at
the
minute.
So
thank
you
boy.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
on
the
same
thing
as
counselor
hockey.
I
would
support
current
option
two
as
well,
but
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
more
possibilities
in
relation
to
funding
explored,
so
we
could
at
some
stage
go
for
option
three.
I
think
the
figure
of
37
000
would
be
interesting
to
see
the
breakdown
there.
It
seems
an
astronomical
amount
of
money
really
to
provide
some
extra
wildflowers
but
same
famous
councillor
hawking.
O
Councillor
baxter
yeah.
Thank
you
feature.
You
know
yeah
some
revenue,
the
two
biggest
speakers
not
too
far
away
from
them
again
the
figure
of
37.5
000.
To
me
it
does
seem
like
a
lot
and
I'm
just
wondering
does
that
include
manpower
and
council
officers
as
well.
I
just
think
that
seems
like
a
lot
to
do.
J
O
I
think
they
could
see
a
better
color
with
those
cornflours
and
stuff,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
the
question
as
well
in
terms
of
those
if
you
have
to
plant
them
every
couple
of
years,
is
there
not
perennial
wine
flowers
that
sort
of
come
up
every
year?
Are
they
all
sort
of
biannuals
or
whatever
or
animals,
or
how
does
that
work?
I
don't
know
an
awful
lot
about
it
and
I
planted
some
this
year
in
my
own
garden
and
they
didn't
really
work
out
at
all.
O
So
I'm
going
to
know
what
evolution
that
they
don't
have.
I
don't
know,
maybe
we're
hard
enough
to
grow,
and
but
I
was
always
when
I
was
looking
into
it
myself.
It
was
always
under
the
impression
that
they
grow
on
sort
of
bad
ground
and
they're
easy
enough
to
show
when
they
come
up
every
year.
Maybe
that's
a
lot
of
is
not
the
case,
but
that's
the
college,
so
vm
just
see
the
breakdown
in
the
cost,
but
certainly
moving
towards
that.
B
N
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
I'll
I'll
cover
a
few
of
those.
Yes,
the
idea
of
seeking
funding.
Now,
if
members
are
going
to
go
with
option
two,
for
example,
we
will
certainly
seek
funding.
Now
we
did
look
for
funding
and
there
was
nothing
forthcoming
at
this
point
in
time,
but
you're
quite
right,
funding
changes
the
environment
literally
changes
day
after
day,
so
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
Yes,
as
the
chair
pointed
out,
the
35
and
a
half
thousand
is
for
manpower
or
staffing
in
relation
to
the
preparation.
N
They
will
go
on
indefinitely,
but
but
they
rarely
do
and
we
have
never
come
across
any.
We,
for
example,
in
the
old
days
in
band
bridge
council,
had
planted
them
up
in
the
recycling
center.
They
were
glorious
for
two
years
and
then
after
that
they
were
far
from
and
they
are
difficult
to
grow.
So
don't
feel
bad
if
your
ears
aren't
growing
they
they
do
like
rough
ground,
but
they
are
still
quite
sensitive.
N
So
it
is
a
task
to
look
after
them
and
certainly
year,
one
they
should
look
great
year,
two
they're,
not
just
not
just
as
lovely
looking,
but
but
that's
that's
the
rationale
for
that's.
Why
they're
sustainably
they're,
not
quite
as
sustainable
and
the
bad
diversity
of
them
again.
It
just
varies
slightly,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
that.
O
So
you
must
meet
yeah.
Thank
you,
chair
just
one
point
in
the
back
of
that,
then
he
said
that
does
include
the
managed,
but
if
we're
looking
to
get
set
in
process,
do
we
include
monarchs
and
real
certain
process?
Are
you
know,
there's
nothing
there.
Anyhow?
Yes
soon,
are
we
talking
additional
monarchs
and
additional
staff
or
outside
contractors
just
I'd.
O
N
So
chair,
may
I
yeah
yeah
that
that's
exactly
what
it
would
be,
it'll
be
additional
ours
and
it
would
probably
be
an
outside
contractor
to
go
in
and
prepare
that
amount
of
space
simply
because
if
we
took
our
staff
off
or
other
jobs,
while
they
were
doing
something
as
substantial
as
that,
then
other
things
would
fall
behind.
So
that's
that's
where
that
has
come
from
you're,
quite
right.
B
P
Sure,
unlike
other
members,
yes,
I'm
happy
to
proceed
with
option
two
as
well.
There
seems
to
be
a
general
consensus.
You
know
about
the
additional
about
adding
additional
sites
too
and
just
with
the
additional
sites.
You
know
this
will
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
engage
more
in
the
process
but
boy.
How
do
we
manage
those
expectations?
Then?
You
know
if
those
sites
are
only
located,
particularly
within
the
council
on
land
and
then
to
follow
on
a
second
point.
By
about
about
potentially
sourcing
funding,
I'm
trying
to
promote
this
activity.
N
There
will
be-
and
I
think
we
were
lacking
and
we'll
hold
our
hands
up
here.
We
were
lacking
the
promotion
and
signage
around
that,
so
I've
spoken
to
a
number
of
members
about
that.
The
the
the
signings
needs
to
be
better.
The
publicity
around
these
states
needs
to
be
better
and
also
the
expectations
of
the
public
need
to
be
addressed
so
that
they
are
not
expecting
summer,
flowers
that
are
along
road,
verges,
etc.
N
The
road
version
that
we
will
be
doing
this
on
won't
necessarily
be
on
council
land
at
all,
and
they
will
be
in
dfa
land.
We
have
spoken
to
dfi
about
it.
They
were
content
enough
that
we
let
it
grow
because
they
want
the
ones
cutting
the
grass
in
the
first
place.
If
we
were
going
to
go
down
the
route
of
planting
flowers
and
again,
we
will
see
funding
for
that.
N
S
Thank
you,
chair,
thank
you,
barry
and,
like
other
speakers,
I
think
yes,
option.
Two
seems
the
sensible
option
at
the
moment,
biodiversity
being
the
most
critical
factor,
but
I'm
certainly
not
opposed
to
you
know
the
great
you
know
the
greens
on
proposal,
I'm
just
wondering,
barry
in
terms
of
the
research
on
the
type
of
flowers,
etc.
That
has
been
used
in
other
areas.
S
L
N
There's
different
varieties:
when
we
would
go
to
buy
the
seeds,
there
are
different
varieties.
They
will
differ
because
of
the
locations
that
we
would
be
putting
them
up
so
again
that
would
all
be
taken
in
their
kind.
The
beauty
of
the
let
it
grow
is
that
nature
will
decide
what
is
going
to
grow
at
that
particular
location.
So
we
will
have
noticed
that
particularly
this
spring
time,
there
was
glorious
amounts
of
buttercups
all
over
our
roads.
N
Now
those
weren't
planted
those
were
not
maintained
in
any
safe
fashion
form
and-
and
we
actually
had
a
number
of
compliments
because
people
thought
we
planted
them,
but
we
didn't
so
that
the
weather
at
that
time
of
year
just
was
glorious
for
buttercups
and
that's
what
it
would
look
like.
So
it
is
a
it
is
a
very
much
dependent
on
on
those
individual
locations,
but
there
are
various
seed
boxes.
N
R
Will
we
as
a
council,
get
carbon
credits
or
anything
for
doing
this?
You
know:
is
this
something
that
we're
doing
that
it'll
sort
of
there's
a
value
to
it
in
relation
to
our
carbon
footprint
going
forward,
and
if
there
was
what
what
kind
of
level
you
know
sort
of
you
know
in
relation
to
the
next
stage,
you
know
the
cost
of
of
obviously
creating
the
the
the
the
flowers
etc
against
something
else.
So
it's
just
that.
R
Basically,
you
know
to
leave
the
door
open
that
you
know,
because
this
is
what
the
the
the
the
green
agenda
is
about
it.
It's
not
about
creating
pretty
flowers,
and
things
like
that.
Oh,
that
could
be
a
nice
sort
of
a
something
happens,
a
lot
alongside
it.
It
is
about
biodiversity,
it's
about
insects,
it's
about
bringing
species
back
into
our
environment,
but
also
it's
our
carbon
footprint,
and
it's
just
that
is
this
going
to
help
our
or
our
our
carbon
credits
going
forward
thanks,
chair.
N
All
right,
yeah
I
mean
a
couple
of
things-
are
yeah.
The
planning
of
the
wildflowers
or
the
letting
it
grow
is
very
much
done
for
the
the
ecosystems
it's
on
for
the
biodiversity
in
relation
to
carbon.
If
we
were
cutting
a
piece
of
land,
you
know
12
times
a
year,
then
obviously
that
is
more
you're
you're
using
petrol,
lawn
mowers.
N
So
therefore,
yes,
you're
having
a
carbon
input
in
relation
to
that,
so
the
maintenance
of
it
and
the
fact
that
we
would
only
be
doing
it
once
a
year,
for
example,
does
help
with
the
carbon
footprint
what
that
would
be
over
15
or
30
or
40
sites.
I
would
imagine
it
wouldn't
be
huge
amounts,
but
it's
also
a
good
thing
to
do
so.
I
don't
think
we
will
be
able
to
sort
of
ever
hang
our
hat
on
the
fact
of
the
carbon.
N
Now
it
is
better
simply
because
if
it's
a
bit
like
not
using
your
car,
if
you
don't
use
your
car
one
day
a
month
is
better,
but
it's
not
making
a
huge
difference
in
relation
to
your
own
carbon
footprint.
So
it
will
do
that.
But
as
you
say,
it
is
more
about
the
biodiversity
and
the
sustainability
of
it
and
the
fact
that
we're
not
having
to
run
people
out
there.
N
You
know
every
x
amount
of
days
and
we're
not
having
to
use
those
lawnmowers,
so
it
will
have
a
carbon
impact,
the
difference
in
the
planted
version
and
the
let
it
grow
version
again.
It
just
would
mean
that
there's
less
time
in
the
let
it
grow
because
nature
grows
it,
we
cut
it
once
a
year.
Take
it
away.
If
we're
having
a
planted
every
couple
of
years,
then
that's
just
an
input
that
we
wouldn't
be
having.
N
If
we
were
that
withdrawal,
but
certainly
it's
more
about
the
biodiversity,
as
you
say,
and
it
is,
and
hopefully
through
the
campaigns,
we'll
have
a
we'll
we'll
do
more
information
than
members
of
the
public
and
yourselves
in
relation
to
this
is
what
to
expect,
and
this
is
why
it's
different,
and
this
is
the
benefits
of
why
it's
different
and
then,
with
the
funding.
We
try
to
get
funding
we'll
see.
If
there's
something
else,
we
can
do
to
promote
that
third
option
as
well.
R
Sam
sorry,
because
yeah
just
know
that
totally
by
I
suppose,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
do
is
tease
out.
You
know
people
have
talked
with
37
000
a
lot
of
money.
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
the
best
way
to
spend
37
000
you
if
you're
trying
to
improve
your
your
carbon
footprint,
you
know
or
biodiversity.
You
know
something
that
maybe,
as
a
committee,
you
know
going
forward.
R
You
know
if
we're
moving
on
the
next
option
and
what
funding
is
available
and
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
things
I
think
come
online
and
with
climate
change
and
things
like
that
there
and
there's
going
to
be
opportunities
within
land,
and
I
think
we,
as
a
committee
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
discussions
about
this
over
the
next
number
of
months
and
years.
So
nobody
thanks
for
your
answer.
Thanks
chair.
N
Yes,
members:
last
month
we
had
a
paper
and
that's
on
it,
and
actually
we
have
talked
about
it
on
a
number
of
occasions.
What
that
occurred
to
me,
the
overnight
was
that
we
hadn't
actually
asked
for
a
decision
on
it.
So
this
is
a
decision
item
that
we
progress
with
the
planting
of
the
trees
to
commemorate
those
people
who
were
taken
from
us
due
to
covert.
N
So
obviously
we
would
plant
those
in
the
autumn
on
the
winter
time,
and
we
would
do
that
again
next
year,
if,
if,
unfortunately,
there
was
any
people
who
also
died
because
of
covert
in
the
bar,
so
it's
really
just
asking
members
for
approval.
I
know
we've
discussed
this
another
time,
but
we
have
to
get
a
formal
approval
for
it.
Thank
you
chair,
mr.
R
Yeah
sure,
thanks
barry
for
the
report,
I'm
happy
to
post
sure
I
think
it's
a
well
worthwhile
thing
and
again
again
a
little
obviously
environmentally.
It's
a
great
thing,
and
it's
good
to
you
know
mark
those
that
does
their
life
julia
covet
and
as
far
as
pointed
out,
unfortunately,
the
numbers
are
still
going
to
be
added
to
so
sure
I'm
happy
to
propose.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Sorry,.
J
J
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
just
decided
to
do
this
now.
Of
course,
look
I
love
linger.
I
am
very
more
than
happy
to
propose
this.
Second,
it
is
never
mind
anything
else.
I'm
a
keen
gardener,
I'm
very,
very
pleased
about
the
trees,
and
I
have
most
of
you
as
well
know.
I
do
have
a
wii
memorial
thing.
J
We
garden
at
the
house
for
the
children,
my
children
and
I
find
it
very,
very
comforting,
and
I
hope
that
others
and
people
that
have
been
affected
by
cover
in
our
border
feel
the
same
as
I
do
about
my
garden,
and
so
this
is
a
lovely
thing
to
do,
and
apologies,
sir,
for
this.
So
sorry,
sorry
guys,
sorry.
B
B
In
accordance
with
schedule,
sex
with
the
liberal
government
act,
we
are
now
moving
into
a
confidential
section
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted
canal
sait
officers,
please
turn
off
the
feed
and
confirm
with
me
when
they
have
done
so.