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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Full Council Meeting on Monday 27th of September 2021 at 6.30pm
A
A
Mr
dark
bell.
Mr
bell
was
indeed
a
stalwart
of
of
bond
bridge
and
a
fantastic
unionist
and
an
orange
man,
and
he
would
be
deeply
missed
by
all
within
the
barbridge
area.
Unfortunately,
I
didn't
get
to
to
work
with
him,
but
I
know
alderman
ian
burns
did
work
with
him
through
his
tenure
at
palm
beach
district
council,
and
I
would
like
to
invite
aldryn
burns
to
say
a
few
words.
B
A
C
C
C
A
A
I
suppose,
from
from
our
conversations
I
was,
I
was
escorting
him
around
the
place
and
I'd
said
them
that
I'm
taking
you
to
the
gymnasium
next,
I'm
going
to
put
you
on
the
treadmill
and
he
sort
of
laughed
me
says
that
would
be
torture
for
me,
but
he
also
explained
about
some
of
the
other
leisure
plexus
that
he
had
been
to
himself
and
there
was
one
I
believe
it
was
manchester
that
he
had
said
where
there
was
two
floors.
The
swimming
pool.
A
One
was
the
lower
level
where
elite
swimmers
could
go
on
and
one
was
upper
level
or
members
of
the
public
could
go,
and
he
was
saying
that
it
was
absolutely
fantastic,
obviously
for
from
his
perspective,
where
he
was
up
so,
as
might
be
thinking
you
know,
maybe
we
could
look
at
that
for
for
bomb
bridge
from
appealing
moving
forward.
So
members
will
move
on
from
that
because
we
have
a
full
agenda
agenda
item
one.
We
have
apologies
from
councillor
locker
room.
Do
we
have
any
other
apologies?
Please.
A
No
okay
move
on
to
agenda
item
two,
which
is
the
council
minutes.
Can
I
seek
a
secret
seeker,
proposer
and
seconder
for
the
minutes
of
council
meeting
held
on
the
23rd
of
august
2021,
be
taken
as
read
and
approved
as
a
correct
record
proposed
by
councillor
nicholson
on
second
by
councillor
greenfield
we
all
agreed.
A
D
Yes,
thank
you.
It
was
more
under
the
mother's
horizon
from
the
minnesota
item.
C300
slash
2021,
and
it
was
just
I
had
the
opportunity
recently
to
meet
with
the
lord
david,
who
chairs
the
uk
climate
change
community
and
a
it
was
good,
certainly
to
get
an
update
from
him
in
terms
of
some
of
their
thinking
and
some
of
their
work
and
how
it
can
hopefully
feed
into
the
process
around
northern
ireland
assembly
and
and
this
it
is
good.
D
A
A
E
Thank
you
chair
for
this
opportunity
to
present
the
dfi
roads
annual
report
and
forgive
me
at
the
start
a
bit
of
a
cough,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
talk
slowly.
My
name
is
mark
mcpick
and
I'm
the
divisional
roads
manager
for
southern
division.
I'm
grateful
for
this
opportunity
to
present
our
report
to
you
with
me.
Tonight
is
our
two
section
engineers
who
cover
maintenance
activities
across
the
council
area.
E
You
may
be
familiar
with
desi
blacker,
who
leads
our
gavin
on
bambridge
office
based
in
corn
depot
and
also
keir
mckenna,
who
leads
our
armada
office
based
on
our
map.
Both
are
very
experienced
civil
engineers
and
their
section
office
staff
are
probably
the
first
port
of
call
for
many
of
your
queries.
E
I
have
included
on
the
last
page
of
the
report
the
contact
details
for
your
business
areas,
which
I
trust
you
will
find
useful,
we're
keen
to
receive
information
that
helps
us
manage
and
improve
the
safety
of
the
road
network,
and,
as
such,
we
have
structured
a
communication
mechanism
that
helps
us
do
this.
It
is
structured
in
three
main
areas.
E
F
E
Secondly,
separate
generic
email
addresses
per
function,
such
as
maintenance
street
lighting
traffic,
relates
to
network
improvement,
caters
for
queries,
which
you
require
a
detailed
response,
if
in
doubt,
email.
So
if
in
doubt
what
email
address
to
use,
please
use
the
generic
email
address.
That's
the
dfi
roads
dot
saloon.
E
E
There
are
many
thousands
of
inquiries
and
correspondence
cases
each
year
from
within
this
council
area,
so
this
communication
mechanism
is
thought
to
be
the
most
effective
to
be
able
to
allow
us
to
manage
the
effects,
queries
and
emergencies
that
are
received
by
the
public.
This
system
also
allows
each
case
to
be
tracked
and
monitored.
E
E
However,
we
work
closely
with
our
contractors
to
develop
new
working
practices
to
ensure
that
much
needed
road
maintenance
and
improvement
works
could
proceed
and,
as
a
result,
most
of
our
2021
program
was
successfully
delivered.
Despite
the
absence
of
work
over
the
first
part
of
the
year,
as
you
can
imagine,
given
the
nature
of
road
works
and
the
interaction
needed
between
the
work
man
and
indeed
the
general
public,
this
has
been
a
particularly
challenging
period
for
all
concerned.
F
E
E
This
will
allow
the
delivery
of
upgrade
of
five
kilometers
around
the
crib
and
lakes
and
the
rollout
of
a
second
tranche
of
part-time
20-minute
speed
limits
of
schools,
resource
maintenance.
Initial
allocations
are
also
similar
to
the
last
year,
but
are
still
insufficient
to
deliver
the
level
of
services
needed.
Hence
we
continue
with
our
limited
service
policy.
E
E
To
repair
defects,
greater
than
50
millimeters
on
all
roads,
including
low
traffic
railroads
on
high
traffic
roads,
defects,
greater
than
20
millimeters,
will
be
prepared.
The
department
aimed
to
carry
out
two
grass
cuts
on
the
roadside
verges
and
sight
lines
between
april
and
october,
with
sight
lines
and
bands
and
junctions
being
cut
more
frequently.
E
E
Funding
is
also
available
to
our
street
lighting
repair
service
for
the
year,
which
is
very
much
welcomed.
However,
we
only
repair
the
effects
that
are
reported
to
us,
which
can
be
through
either.
The
report
default
service,
the
247
300
200
7899
number
priority
is
given
to
emergency
defects,
group,
outages
and
then
single
light
defects.
E
With
regard
to
the
report
itself,
section
1
page
8-11
gives
an
update
of
our
strategic
road
improvement
schemes
and
includes
the
a1
junctions
phase,
2
and
remainder
on
the
current
status
of
the
a3.
So
a
reminder
of
the
current
status
of
the
a3
arma
north
and
west
link
and
a28
arma
east
link
schemes.
E
E
The
minister
marlon
announced
that
publication
of
a
departmental
statement
on
the
28th
of
january
21,
which
accepted
that
it
comes
with
the
public
inquiry
and
her
decision
to
progress.
The
scheme
in
red
and
readiness
of
funding
becoming
available
the
direction
order
and
stopping
up
orders
came
into
operation
in
july.
21
on-site
works
for
grant
investigations
and
substantially
complete
work
is
now
progressing
on
the
economic
appraisal
and,
subject
to
its
approval.
Progression
to
construction
will
depend
on
budget
allocations
over
future
years.
E
E
E
Again
we
are
undertaking
a
broad
range
of
schemes,
schemes
spread
across
the
council
area,
a
list
of
surface
dressing
schemes
on
pages
24
to
27,
which
are
all
completed
in
early
august,
21
as
it
is
a
summertime
activity,
because
it's
very
much
weather
dependent,
also
listed
in
this
part
of
the
report,
are
proposed
to
weigh
reconstruction
schemes
and
propose
drainage.
Maintenance
works
which
are
listed
in
pages.
27
and
28..
E
E
page
31
details
some
work
related
to
abandonments
undertaken
by
our
lands
team.
To
complete
this
section
on
network
maintenance,
page
32
outlines
the
vital
work
undertaken
by
the
division
of
maintenance
servicing
a
fleet
of
38
critters.
140
personnel
were
available
between
october
and
april
to
solve
approximately
17,
sorry
about
1,
700,
kilometers
of
main
roads
across
the
division.
E
E
I
draw
your
attention
to
the
master's
initiative
for
part
time:
20
speed
limits
in
schools
and
pace
37,
eight
schools.
The
seven
locations
have
now
been
completed
across
the
area,
a
second
transit,
part-time,
20-minute
speed
limits
of
schools
has
now
been
launched
and
six
skills
will
now
be
taken
forward
during
this
year.
E
like
last
year.
We
will
need
to
work
through
the
legislative
process
required
for
the
introduction
of
the
new
speed
limits
prior
to
instructing
contractors
to
commence
works
ages,
45-53,
look
forward
and
outline
our
network
development
program
for
the
year,
some
of
which
have
been
carried
over
from
the
previous
year.
F
E
E
And
main
street
in
donald
trump,
often
crossing
is
already
completed.
The
department
is
committed
to
delivery
of
active
travel
schemes
to
make
walking
wheeling
and
cycling
a
safer,
more
active
option
for
people
getting
around.
As
a
result,
approximately
450
000
pounds
with
blue
of
blue
green
funding
will
be
used
to
upgrade
five
kilometers
of
shared
way,
cycleway
or
rancor
cabin
lakes
which
started
recently
and
is
listed
on
page
49.
E
We
do
we
do.
However,
we
do
now
have
a
new
small
blue
green
team
focused
on
delivering
active
travel
measures.
We
will
continue
delays
with
council
to
develop
active
travel
proposals
and
that
these
are
aligned
with
active
travel
master
plan.
Proposals
constantly
have
for
the
area
which
is
49
to
53,
explain
a
number
of
proposals
for
traffic,
calming
accessible
parking,
bays
traffic,
signage,
road
markings
and
speed
limits.
E
It
then
looks
back
and
lists
works
undertaken
in
the
previous
year
and
looks
forward
to
works
planned
for
this
year
and
our
functions
of
development
control,
private
streets
and
street
lighting.
The
department
is
a
consultative,
the
council's
planning
function
and
our
network
planning
team
provide
a
valuable
contribution
to
the
process
in
respect
of
rules
matters.
E
In
addition,
our
private
straights
section
deals
with
adoption
process
for
new
developments
as
well
as
enforcement
matters
amongst
other
functions
in
respective
street
lighting.
I
am
pleased
to
report
that
we
have
made
good
progress
in
delivering
our
street
lighting
schemes.
The
led
lantern
retrofitting,
seeing
the
replacement
of
older
sodium
lanterns.
E
The
retrofitting
program
will
likely
take
a
further
four
to
five
years
to
complete
pages
59-63
detail.
The
completed
and
proposed
street
lighting
upgrade
schemes
that
that
being
when
columns,
cabling
and
lanterns
are
life
expired
and
are
replaced
amongst
the
areas
that
received
led
lighting
where
shillington's
bridge
and
put
it
down.
E
In
conclusion,
I
trust
that
this
has
provided
you
with
an
insight
to
the
works
that
we
are
delivering
across
the
council
area.
Naturally,
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
be
a
position
to
expand
our
work
programmes,
but
the
reality
is
that
we
are
being
faced
with
challenges
of
covert
and
reduced
resource
budgets.
Thank
you,
chair.
That
concludes
my
presentation
and
I
am
happy
to
address
any
question
related
to
the
report.
A
I
can
forgot
to
say:
welcome
to
our
full
council
I'm
going
to
take
some
questions
from
members.
We
have
a
a
few
on
the
on
the
list
now
you're
coming
through.
Can
I
start
off
by
thanking
you
for
the
report?
It's
very
comprehensive
in
terms
of
electronic
or
electrical
points
for
electric
cars.
I've
seen
a
report
there
in
one
of
the
local
newspapers
there
last
week
that
60
of
the
points
were
not
working.
Is
this
something
that
user
looking
at
to
overcome
and
obviously
going
forward?
E
A
H
H
But
there
are
numerous
benefits,
and
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
something
you've
considered
on
the
land
that
you
maintain
and,
if
you're
not
able
to
answer
that
tonight.
Is
there
any
way
you
could
come
back
to
me
and
let
me
know
if
it
is
in
consideration
and
if
not,
could
you
consider
it,
and
maybe
lee
is
with
myself
and
a
couple
of
my
colleagues
on
that.
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
great
question
and
actually
only
very
recently,
this
has
came
to
our
attention
as
well
and
we
are
currently
looking
at
the
options
of
taking
forward
the
potential
for
a
wildflower
on
verges,
and
so
there's
there's
currently
work
being
done
internally
to
establish
how
that
could
be
done.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
If
we
could
do
it,
I
think
it'd
be
good.
A
I
I
I
mean
this
is
obviously
disappointing
and
it
doesn't
particularly
give
reassurance
to
users
of
the
road
I
mean.
I
know
the
minister
has
previously
said
about
expediting
the
proposals
as
soon
as
possible.
Is
it
possible
to
give
us
a
wee
bit
on
timescale
of
the
appraisal
and
also
in
terms
of
the
future
years
I
mean.
What
are
we
really
talking
about
here?
I
I
If
you,
if
you
could,
maybe
maybe
confirm
from
your
point
of
view
whether
you
believe
that
you
have
adequate
resources
and
staff
in
relation
to
that,
because
I
know
there
are
quite
a
lot
of
concerns
out
there
in
in
in
terms
of
getting
a
note
as
well
that
there's
quite
a
high
volume
of
applications
at
the
moment
requiring
you
know,
responses.
You
know
from
dfi.
E
E
Stopping
up
order
was
published
in
late
july
and,
yes,
the
progression
will
very
much
depend
on
the
outcome
of
the
of
the
approval
of
the
environmental
appraisal,
which
is
a
department
of
finance
approval
process
and
then
confirmation
of
funding
for
the
scheme
in
future
years,
and
I
think
I
think
those
lines
that
those
words
are
really
reflective
of
the
process
and
are
not
necessarily
reflective
of
our
commitment.
I
think
we
are
committed
to
doing
it
and
there
is
a
2021
spending
review
currently
being
undertaken,
and
hopefully
that
will
determine
in
future
years.
E
What
money
is
available,
but
again
that
those
decisions
are
very
much
for
others
and
as
a
division,
we're
pushing
it?
I
know
the
department
are
pushing
it.
I
know
the
minister's
pushing
it
and
in
terms
of
time
scales
once
you
get
confirmation
of
funding,
I
can't
give
you
it's
difficult
for
me
to
give
it
a
time
frame
of
of
how
long
it
will
be
until
we
get
a
commitment
to
funding
and
but
in
terms
of
after
we
get
that
confirmation
of
economic
appraisal
and
the
funding
commitment.
E
E
Moving
on
to
the
planning
consultation
question-
and
I
I
am
confident
that
my
team,
who
are
very
competent,
very
experienced
and
to
provide
swift
consultation
responses.
We
have
a
full
complement
of
staff,
there's
no
vacancies
and
but
you're
right.
There
has
been
an
increase
in
the
number
of
applications,
particularly
over
the
covert
period
to
the
start
of
this
calendar
year,
and
not
so
much
in
this
council
area,
but
in
others,
and
that
is
putting
pressure
on
staff
and
it
causes
a
little
bit
of
delay,
but
not
a
lot.
E
D
D
D
Own
bridge
and
craig
alvin
play
so
so
so
that's
the
very
first
thing
you
you,
you
don't
need
me
to
say
it
again.
There
is
much
much
need.
I
happen
to
represent
a
huge
rural
area,
but
you've
heard
that
before
so
just
out
some
indication
around
that.
So
that's
the
first
thing.
The
second
question
I
would
have
would
be
around
the
issue
of
the
of
the
provision
of
boundary
signage
at
the
entrance
points
to
abc
council.
D
It's
it's
something
marked
that
over
the
past
couple
or
three
months
I
and
colleagues
have
been
raising
a
with
council
officers
and
there
seems
to
be
a
consistency
in
terms
of
the
feedback
that
we
get,
that
one
of
the
issues
around
the
delay
and
and
the
provision
of
the
this
signage
is
dfi
road.
So
could
you
give
us
the
benefit
of
some
of
your
knowledge
on
that?
D
D
Is
the
new
system
actually
more
effective
and
and
actually
delivering
on
the
ground,
because
in
the
end,
that's
what
you
want,
that's
what
we
want
and
we
want
the
roads,
the
quality
of
our
roads,
increased
and
so
on.
So
just
a
few
of
your
thoughts
are
are
around.
That
would
be
useful
mark.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Lord
mark.
E
And
yes,
in
terms
of
the
15
million
rural
roads
fund,
I
don't
know
how
much
of
that
fund
is
split
into
this
council
area,
but
I
can
find
out
on
the
answer.
Whenever
we
respond
back,
we
can
provide
that
answer
in
the
in
the
detail
in
terms
of
the
council
area
in
terms
of
overall
structural
structural
maintenance
funding.
It
is
probably
in
the
order
of
about
I'm
guessing
78
million.
It's
not
78
78.
E
E
Issue
in
terms
of
enough
funding
for
resource
and
to
to
maintain
our
roads
in
good
condition
and
as
time
goes
by,
our
roads
are
deteriorating.
It's.
It
is
as
simple
as
that
and
next
point
boundary
signage.
Yes,
I
am
very
aware,
actually
very
recently,
the
issue
of
binary
science
has
been
raised
with
me.
I
have
spoke
to
council
officials
about
it
today.
E
So
I
I'm
going
to
get
myself
involved
in
into
needing
to
try
and
move
that
forward
and
to
get
those
to
get
appropriate
locations
identified
for
the
signage
to
put
up
working
practices
with
regard
to
to
contractors
in
relation
to
covid
is
I
actually
am
very
pleased
with
the
way
things
have
worked
over
the
last
particular
this
this
calendar
year?
Things
are
working
very
well
in
terms
of
contractors
on
the
ground
and
being
able
to
put
new
practices
in
place
to
maintain
social
distancing.
E
You
know
so.
Yes,
there's
no
issue
from
that
perspective.
In
terms
of
actual
work
been
done
on
the
ground
and
as
you
you
may
be
aware,
there
are.
There
are
other
issues
associated
with
with
work
on
the
ground
and
one
of
those
associated
with
with
structural
maintenance,
vehicle
destruction,
maintenance
contracts
with
the
which
the
minister
launched
in
literature.
J
Thank
you,
lord
mer,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation
this
evening
and
I
firstly
thank
you
for
for
the
work
that's
being
done.
If
I
claim
my
own
constituency
know,
jervis
street
has
just
been
resurfaced.
However,
there's
still
remains
some
work
to
be
done
there
that
has
been
left,
so
I'm
hoping
that'll
be
picked
up
fairly
soon.
Road
servers
sometimes
normally
get
a
bad
rap
when
they
come
here
because
response
times
and
things
like
that
can
be
very
difficult.
J
J
I
understood
that
desi
and
appreciate
you
coming
back
to
me
in
such
a
timely
manner
on
that
issue,
but
we're
now
almost
into
october,
and
there
has
still
been
no
confirmation
with
me
as
to
what
is
the
plan
for
craig
alvin
avenue.
We
move
two
properties
that
flood
every
time.
There's
a
significant
heavy
shore
and
there's
still
a
loose
end
as
to
what
exactly
is
going
to
happen
on
what
the
process
is
as
well,
but
the
other
query
if
they
could
be
followed
up
and
really
appreciate
that
courtesy.
J
There
was
a
very
serious
incident,
the
other
day,
which
involved
a
child
almost
losing
an
ear
and
sustaining
very
serious
injuries
as
a
result
of
getting
access
to
the
sites
there.
So
what
inspection
do
road
service
carry
out
there
and
what
mitigations
can
they
ensure
that
their
contractors
are
putting
in
place.
A
E
Yeah
I'll
deal
with
the
communication
and
then
hand
over
to
desolate
with
regard
to
the
other
questions
about
the
inspectors.
Yes,
I
mean
my
first
council
meeting
in
january.
I
was
asked
a
series
of
questions
about
the
same
thing
and
I
took
an
action
away
to
meet
up
with
the
group
leaders.
I
did
that
in
the
middle
of
june
with
roger,
and
I
actually
find
that
very,
very
helpful
to
get
feedback.
E
And
so
I
will
just
endeavor
to
continue
to
try
and
improve
the
system,
and
we
will,
I
will
again
remind
them
about
getting
correspondence
back
in
time
more
timely
manner.
But
I
think
the
two
things
that
I
find
in
particular
is
acknowledgement
actually
saying
thank
you
for
your
email
and
we'll
get
back
to
you
and
actually
providing
feedback
to
say
it's
going
to
take
longer
because
there's
a
lot
more
research
needed
an
investigation
needed
into
your
query.
K
K
Speed
dealer
removed
during
the
the
works
on
george
street,
but
unfortunately
that
didn't
work
out
just
because
there
were
two
utilities
to
it,
which
was
any
water
and
gas
which
had
to
be
lowered,
which
meant
that
we
couldn't
get
them
done
at
the
time.
But
I
can
assure
you
now
we
have.
We
have
had
maintenance
with
dna
water.
We.
K
End
of
it
sorted
out
and
we
intend
to
go
in
now
and
do
the
drainage
works
and
have
the
speed
table
removed
regarding
the
utility
inspections,
the
all
the
utilities
have
a
statutory
right
to
to
enter
the
road,
and
there
are
many
of
them
as
you're
well
aware,
and
we
do
inspect
the
work
to
do.
There
are
many,
many
more
utilities
digging
tracks
and
roads,
and
then
we
have
staff
available
to
to
to
check
them
all
the
time
that
that
one
kingsley
drives
that
you
that
you
had
mentioned.
K
A
L
Just
picking
up
on
the
the
issue
of
the
two
link
roads
proposed
to
norma,
it
seems
a
bit
like
same
old,
same
old
on
the
longest
of
long
fingers
that
has
been
pushed
onto
and
also
the
you
know,
potential
for
the
railway
in
our
mass
are
you
is
the
the
local
area,
putting
a
pressure
on
the
minister
to
make
sure
that
both
of
those
potential
projects
have
pushed
up
the
agenda
in
the
forthcoming
transport
review?
You
know
the
people,
norma
are
absolutely
the
transport
right
here.
E
E
M
Thanks
lord
martin,
thanks
mark
and
desi
for
your
presentation
this
evening
and
I
suppose,
to
start
mark
yeah
thanks
for
obviously
the
meeting
last
week
with
the
minister.
You
know
that
was
very
useful.
I
think
you
did
get
a
flavor
that
it
is
essentially
this
borough
and
in
particular
you
know.
The
rmr
city
element
is
part
of
that
strategic
roads
and
rails
consideration.
M
There's
a
real
need
that
we
are
in
this
area
in
those
future
plans
and
and
and
I'm
hoping
that
you,
as
as
as
as
sort
of
a
the
roads
representative
of
of
that
area,
you'll
be
pushing
arbor
as
as
hard
as
you
can
to
the
minister.
I
think
we
all
had
a
good
chat
with
her
the
other
the
other
day,
and
I
think
she
she
was
left
with.
M
No,
no
doubt
of
the
importance
I
think
she
witnessed
the
problems
we
do
in
our
most
city,
with
traffic,
congestion,
etc,
and
and
obviously
with
that
with
a
city
of
culture
bid
coming
and
things
like
that,
all
these
things
are
going
to
add
to
that,
and
and
obviously
from
our
perspective,
the
mid-south
west.
Yes,
the
east
element
of
off
of
the
link
roads
is
part
of
that
and
again,
that,
for
us
is
is,
is,
is,
is
a
real
sort
of
economic
driver.
So
it's
not
just
about
tarmac.
M
It's
it's
about
the
economy,
it's
about
building
jobs,
creating
opportunities
for
for
for
the
borough.
So
look
I
appreciate
that
mark
couple
of
smaller
things
that
that
sort
of
I
I
want
to
bring
up
and
and
and
it
won't
mention
your
report
and-
and
I've
mentioned
you
before.
A
lot
of
developments
within
our
borough
were
were
designed
and
built
some
time
ago,
and
I've
been
having
a
lot
of
issues
with
people
saying
that
you
know
you
can't
get
emergency
vehicles
up
our
road,
etc,
etc.
M
I
would
like
your
department
from
tonight
just
take
away
to
maybe
to
have
a
review
or
even
consider
at
looking
at
those
areas
and
to
see,
if
there's
anything,
to
be
done
to
sort
of
create
lay-by
parking
or
something
so
that
there's
not
a
problem
down
the
line
with
emergency
vehicles
etc.
Getting
into
developments
there's
a
number
I'll
email,
you
a
list
of
them
of
of
what
I'm
talking
about
and
and
and
I'll
I'll
I'll
do
that
and
the
other
one
was
a
the
wild
flowers.
M
I've
taken
from
the
attention
office
a
couple
of
times,
but
I
will
bring
it
to
your
attention,
but
look
mark
thanks
for
it.
For
for
the
presentation-
and
I
have
to
say
with
regards
to
development
control
element.
Road
service
are
not
the
problem
being
a
member
of
the
planning
committee
in
relation
to
with
with
replies,
though,
one
of
the
better
ones
on,
unfortunately,
a
a
there's
there's
others
are
worse.
M
But
to
finish
mark
I
mean
my
question
would
be
about
resources,
and
I
heard
you
mentioned
it
a
few
times
if,
if
we
had
more
people,
is
there
any
plan
to
get
more
resources
into
road
service
to
deal
with
these
things
in
a
more
efficient
and
and
a
quicker
manner,
which
I
think
you
feel
yourself
you
would
like
to
do
so?
Is
there
a
plan
in
place
in
relation
to
to
to
employ
more
staff
thanks
thanks?
Lord.
E
E
E
Yes-
and
I
suppose
it's
an
opportunity
for
me
to
say
the
people
who
are
in
the
southern
division,
roads
team
and
certainly
not
when
I
say
I
think,
the
confidence
and
the
experience
of
the
people
in
the
team
are
outstanding.
What
I've
seen
in
the
few
number
of
months
that
have
been
in
the
post
and
it's
not
the
people
in
post,
that's
the
problem
is
that
we
don't
have
enough.
E
N
You
did
address
us
here.
I
think
it
was
january
and
I
I
became
to
see
to
know
exactly
what
changes
have
been
made
from
now
to
them,
because
when
I
use
the
system
to
report
a
fault-
and
I
do
use
it,
the
problem
is
we
get
no
feedback.
We
report
the
fault
away,
it
goes,
and
you
know,
unless
we're
going
to
run
around
our
cars
to
check
if
a
streetlight's
been
fixed
or
a
pothole
has
been
filled.
We
don't
know
so
that
doesn't
really
work
for
elected
representatives
that
well.
N
What
elected
representatives
really
would
benefit
from
would
be
a
hotline
to
the
office
because,
while
we
have
communications
with
the
office,
they're
all
emails
and
a
lot
of
them
are
generic
and
we
have
one
telephone
number
to
the
office
and
we
don't
all
the
time
to
be
around
around
just
in
june.
I
actually
made
a
report
by
email
of
a
very
simple
issue
in
relation
to
extending
double
yellow
lines,
and
I
made
that
by
email
on
the
25th
of
june
got
a
generic
email
back.
N
A
few
days
later
heard
nothing
else,
emailed
again
on
the
6th
of
august
generic
email
back
emailed
again
on
the
9th
of
september
generic
email.
Back
and
four
days
later,
I
got
a
refusal,
so
it
took
11
and
a
half
weeks
to
get
something
that
could
have
been
sorted
out,
probably
in
a
fortnight,
and
I
found
that
acceptable.
N
E
The
other
second
thing
that
I've
done
is
talk
to
our
digital
services
team,
to
put
in
place
and
I'll
look
at
to
see
how
the
reported
fault
system
can
be
improved
and
and
that,
rather
than
giving,
rather
than
based
on
a
self-help
basis.
That
is
a
number
that's
provided
to
the
person,
who's
logged,
the
defect
and
that-
and
they
have
to
log
the
effect
and
again
to
use
it
to
find
whether
with
what
position
the
defect
is
in
for
its
correction.
E
Is
that
we're
trying
to
change
that
system?
So
it's
more
proactive,
so
it
actually
emails
out
a
and
as
the
defect
is
progresses
to
it
actually
being
fixed,
and
it's
difficult
for
me
to
to
put
my
finger
on
the
communication
side
of
things
other
than
two
things:
the
volume
that
we
get
it's
immense.
I
can't
overemphasize
that
on
the
number
of
staff
we
have
I'm
trying
to
deal
with
everything
at
once.
It's
just
impossible.
E
A
dedicated
line
that
would
what
it
would
force
us
to
do
is
is
is
stopping
the
people
who
are
delivering
the
work
on
the
ground.
It
reduces
the
amount
we
deliver
on
the
ground
that
that's
affected.
What
it
would
do-
and
I
appreciate
that
getting
responses
out
in
tiny
manner
is
important,
but
I
also
think
it's
important
to
get
things
done
on
the
ground
too.
K
Pine's
parked
logan
and,
as
you
said,
it's
it's
not
on
our
list.
For
this
year
I
mean
I'm
content
to
have
an
assist
for
resurfacing
and
we'll
get
the
fellas
to
look
at
it.
You
have
to
be
aware
to
be
assessed
with
many
other
areas
which
are
in
similar
need
and
we'll
get
back
to
you
with
the
outcome
of
that
assessment.
A
O
O
O
Because
I
know
a
lot
of
the
campaigners
seem
a
little
bit
disillusioned
and
that
there
have
been
petitions
and
everything
presented
and
seemed
to
be.
You
know,
hitting
a
brick
wall
every
now
and
again,
and
the
projects
just
seem
to
fall
between
and
the
gap
when
it
comes
to
the
council
on
dfi.
So
just
any
thoughts
on
that
would
be
really
welcome.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
E
P
Thank
you,
lord
mer,
and
thank
you
mark
for
your
report
and
certainly
welcome
a
lot
of
aspects
of
it,
especially
in
the
another
20
mile,
lar
part-time
science.
I
said
to
school
there
and
bomb
bridge.
You
know,
there's
three
or
four
already
benefit
from
those
and
they're.
Certainly
welcome,
but
work
exposed.
P
Also
was
the
point
record
my
disappointment
with
day
one
I
think
before
I
was
ever
on
council
and
the
previous
council,
were
you
putting
more
than
me
on
that
one,
but
I
was
talking
about
this
discussion
about
the
a1
and
some
of
the
dangers
that
there's
been
and
that
would
move
forward.
I
think
it's
been
a
long,
long,
drawn-out
process
and
just
wanted
that
in
record,
but
mark
just
a
very
small
point
on
you
mentioned
about
38-graders
and
140
personnel.
P
Is
this
some
of
the
side
and
the
smaller
routes
where
the
pads
of
grid
are
don't
seem
to
be
restocked
before
the
winter
time
comes
in
no
last
year,
especially
thing
with
some
of
the
farmers
that
were
in
contact
where
they
couldn't
mel's
glories,
couldn't
get
enough
and
they're
more
than
willing
to
go
out
and
spread
and
do
themselves,
but
these
seem
to
be
maybe
if
we
could
get
them
well
stocked
before
they,
when
they're
seating
them
down.
I
think
how
I
would
raise
it
meetings
before
it
don't
happen.
P
E
K
C
Mayor
I'll
try
and
be
as
brief
as
possible
number
one.
I
want
to
follow
on
on
the
point
that
was
erased
by
alderman
modric
in
respect
of
communications
and
the
way
we
as
public
representatives
are
communicated
with,
and
I
have
a
very
good
relationship
with
the
staff
in
the
section
office
speak
to
them
on
phone
whatever.
I
have
not
a
great
problem
in
in
that
respect,
but
as
far
as
putting
in
complaints
about
hot
holes
or
various
things
or
gullies,
or
all
these
sort
of
things,
the
mechanism
for
getting
information
back
is
not
working.
C
C
C
C
I
went
through
it
and
you
give
a
fair
synopsis
of
the
various
points
in
it.
Reference
was
made
to
by
someone
in
respect
of
the
roads
proposed
in
around
arma
city.
May
I
say
it
to
you
and
consular.
I
think
it
was
kitting
referred
to
it
he's
10
years
on
the
council,
I'm
a
few
years
longer,
but
I
can
tell
you:
the
east
ring
road
of
our
mouth
was
on
the
1974
earlier
plan.
C
There
was
a
bit
of
it
completed
implemented
by
the
housing
executive,
another
bit
of
it
implemented
by
invest
ni,
and
there
are
two
reasonable
stretches.
Two
small
stretches
in
between,
but
progress
hasn't
been
great
from
74
I'll
leave
it
there.
The
firing
point
in
terms
of
forward
planning
and
lobbying
I
mentioned
previously
in
respect
of
the
need
for
a
roundabout
as
one
emerges
from
market
hill,
particularly
if
you're
emerging
to
head
to
newark,
and
you
have
to
cause
two
a
very
busy
lanes
of
traffic.
C
That's
a
recipe
for
accidents,
for
people
taking
the
chance
to
get
away
or
to
get
out
the
set
for
they
were
sitting
for
minutes,
and
I've
asked
this
previously
and
I
didn't
see
it
on
the
report.
But
at
an
earlier
occasion
one
of
your
previous
officers
did
indicate
they
would
investigate
it
and
come
back
to
me.
C
E
It
again
do
my
very
best,
but
I
think
really
it
boils
down
to
having
more
people
and
trying
to
manage
a
very
vast
number
of
correspondence
cases
in
terms
of
a
dedicated
line
for
communication
for
elected
reps
again
to
do
that
would
compromise
the
delivery
on
the
ground
and
at
this
point
point
in
time
it's
not
a
proposal
for
it's,
not
something
that
we're
going
to
take
forward
in
terms
of
the
murray
streets
and
and
to
investigate
the
king
traffic.
Yes,
I'll
have
a
look
at
that
again.
E
Q
The
inclusion
of
the
both
irma
east
and
west
link
road
and
because
both
projects
need
to
be
taken
forward
together,
and
they
are
more
than
just
about
moving
cars.
From
a
to
b
around
the
city,
to
me,
they're
a
key
economic
driver
for
the
city
and
for
the
for
the
region
going
forward.
Can
I
just
ask
in
relation
to
the
much
a
publicized
issues
in
relation
and
to
procurement
within
the
department,
how
much
of
an
impact
that
has
had
in
relation
to
resurfacing
schemes
locally?
Q
How
much
of
an
impact
that
has
in
terms
of
how
many,
how
many
schemes
are
have
been
stopped
or
put
on
on
hold
or
haven't
been
able
to
take
forward
in
this
year?
Because
of
that?
And
then,
secondly,
if
I
could
ask
you
to
come
back
to
us
with
an
updated
list
of
any
schemes
that
could
without
the
department
are
considering
under
the
blue
and
greenway
schemes
for
our
council
area,
so
thank
you.
E
E
Excuse
me,
and
this
constant
area
hasn't
hasn't
been
affected
too
much
you'll
be
aware
of
the
minister's
announcement
in
december
and
the
15th
of
june
that
outlined
the
problems
that
the
department
of
having
or
the
legal
challenge
that
the
department
have
had
in
terms
of
the
issuing
of
a
number
of
resurfacing
contracts
throughout
the
four
divisions
and
one
of
those
is
in
southern
division.
But
it's
not
in
your
council
area.
E
However,
it
is
going
to
affect
this
council
area
in
a
few
months
time,
because
the
renewal
contract
is
not
yet
let
and
that
there's
a
new
strategy
being
put
in
place
to
streamline
the
process,
to
try
and
and
try
and
prevent
the
need
or
prevent
legal
challenges
going
ahead
in
the
future
that
that
new
strategy
is
being
put
to
the
market
in
terms
of
consultation
to
the
market,
and
I
think
the
responses
are
back
to
that.
Hopefully,
the
strategy
to
go
ahead.
But
yes,
there
are.
E
There
are
problems
in
procurement.
There's
no
doubt
about
that
and
I
think,
and
it's
just
the
marketplace
at
the
moment.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
around
and
but
we're
doing
our
best
to
to
deliver
what
we
can
in
terms
of
of
blue-green
projects
going
forward
again,
the
new
blue
green
team.
I've
asked
them
to
sit
down
and
map
the
division
to
and
identify
what
schemes
that
we
need
to
deliver
next
for
muscle
year,
and
so
we
will.
We
will
be
doing
that.
F
E
A
A
R
R
R
The
a1
upgrade
and
some
20
odd
years
ago
that
the
library
nelson
raised
concerns
about
this,
and
yet
we're
still
talking
about
this
upgrade
and
we're
still
wondering
if
there's
a
budget
for
it
or
not,
especially
when
engagement
with
landowners
and
all
has
taken
place
over
these
last
few
years,
and
you
know
we
need
to
speed
this
process
up.
You
know
people
have
lost
their
lives
along
our
stretchy
road
and
that
has
to
be
a
priority
on
to
another
point,
too.
R
Whenever
the
investigations
were,
I'm
sorry
hold
on.
Oh
sorry,
oh
sorry,
it
doesn't
really
there's
no
channel
button
in
there.
Anyway,
whatever
investigations
were
done
with
northern
ireland
water,
there
was
found
to
be
traces
of
tarmac
and
all
that
had
fallen
into
the
sewage
system
that
caused
the
flooding.
R
That's
not
good
enough
and
your
contractors
need
to
be
up
to
a
standard
if
they're
not
fit
to
do
that
job,
they
shouldn't
be
doing
it.
They
should
be
held
responsible
for
that
for
the
major
flooding
issues
in
around
our
village.
I'd
like
you
to
come
back
to
me
or
not
on
some
stage
mark
please
thank
you,
but
look
it's
been
a
long
presentation
here
tonight,
so
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
F
S
After,
if
she
on
the
portal
to
get
nothing
but
radio
silence.
And,
as
I
said
at
the
clinic,
I
don't
mind
if
the
answer
is
no,
but
the
people
that
contact
me
require
an
answer.
I
am
and
when
we
don't
get
one
from
you,
we
can't
give
that
back.
And
that
looks
like
we're
not
doing
our
job
when
we
absolutely
are,
and
recently
I've
had
to
resort
to
tactics
mark,
as
you
know,
such
as
emailing
yourself,
email
in
the
private
office
and
I've
seen
other
reps
use
social
media.
S
S
S
The
issues
that
were
on
my
list
last
week
were
issues
that
were
on
my
list
last
year,
some
of
them
complex,
but
some
of
them
like
grit
boxes,
the
request
in
the
grip
boxes
that
I've
had
no
response
to
from
last
winter.
That's
unacceptable!
That's
not
an
officer
right
in
the
ground,
not
responding,
they'll
actually
drops
because
they're
so
busy,
and
so
I
really
would
urge
you
to
consider
what
just
said
that,
maybe
you
could
look
at
the
likes
of
the
latin
department.
S
A
B
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
that's
it's
possibly
more
the
same
disappointed
about
the
length
of
time
the
a1
is
taken
to
upgrade.
I
have
been
here
long
enough
to
remember
all
the
discussions
that
took
place
during
bombridge
council
time
and
I
travel
part
of
the
a1
dual
carriageway
every
day
and
it
is
accidents
waiting
to
happen
because
people
are
taking
chances
pulling
out
in
front
of
vehicles
at
crossover
points.
So
I
think
that
is
an
absolute
priority.
B
B
B
Communication
is
absolutely
abysmal.
It's
okay
for
somebody
who
phones
in
and
ask
for
something,
but
we
have
to
go
back
to
the
people
who
asked
us.
The
questions
I
have
taken
has
passed
while
you're
writing
to
the
minister.
When
I
don't
get
an
answer
from
the
local
office,
and
I
will
continue
to
do
so-
it's
not
good
enough.
I
know
other
government
departments
wouldn't
get
away
with
it
with
leaving
the
15
day.
Once
I
get
the
15
day
one.
I
laugh
because
I
don't
know
when
I'm
ever
going
to
get
a
response
now.
B
Sometimes
you
do
if
you're
lucky.
Sometimes
you
don't,
but
it's
not
good
enough,
and
I
do-
and
I
agree
with
councillor
nelson
there-
that
we
should
be
afforded
a
site
meeting
on
some
of
the
dangerous
junctions
or
whatever
that
that
we're
talking
about
somebody
will
go
out
and
have
a
look
at
it
when
we're
not
there.
But
if
they're
going
to
spend
time
at
it,
they
could
at
least
say
we're
going
out.
Do
you
want
to
come
out
and
meet
us
there?
That's
just
all!
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
Lord
mer,.
A
Thank
you
very
much
olivia
burns.
Did
you
know
that
mark?
Thank
you
very
much
members
and
that's
the
end
of
your
your
question
and
great.
Thank
you
very
much
and
your
officers
for
for
coming
on
tonight.
Karen
you
get
off
lately
either
at
home
on
zoom,
but
there
is
a
reoccurring
theme
there
mark
and
you
can
hopefully
you're
going
to
take
it
away,
and
hopefully,
action
on
to
it
was
in
the
counselors.
A
Are
campaigners
and
they're
we're
here
to
champion
for
you
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
do.
We
want
to
work
with
you
well,
as
you
can
see
that
the
frustration
on
cancer
is
through
right
throughout
the
different
political
divide,
that
it
is
a
you
know,
give
us
an
answer.
At
least
you
know.
So
no
thank
you
very
much,
and
I
appreciate
you
giving
up
your
evening
and
hopefully
we'll
touch
base
soon
enough.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
U
I
think
the
council
has
played
for
330,
000
and
guys
from
the
department
of
communities-
and
I
know
one
strand
of
that-
is
to
maybe
upskill
and
treat
in
people
throughout
the
community
and
maybe
to
get
an
htv
license,
because
it's
a
very
costly
place
to
get.
I
think
it's
something
like
two
and
a
half
grand
to
put
you
through
and
the
hgv
license
and
there's
a
crisis
point
at
the
minute.
I
think
across
the
community-
and
I
know
nicola
wilson
has
been
doing
some
work
around
it.
U
U
How
that
will
look,
and
is
that
really
just
for
business
to
upskill,
people
in
their
own
business,
or
would
that
be
looking
at
us
running
at
a
grant
program
across
the
community
and
are
opening
some
sort
of
strand
to
try
and
get
people
in
the
employment
and
they
go
across
to
the
htv,
where
we
know
there's
a
there's,
a
country
wage
shortage
at
the
moment.
I
just
want
to
know
how
that
looks.
U
D
D
A
Okay,
no,
you
you
have
the
committee
to
bring
it
up
in
any
way.
Thank
you,
counselor
mccloud,
all
the
great
members.
Thank
you.
3.3
seek
a
proposal
and
secondary
for
the
minutes
of
the
government
resources
and
strategy
committee
held
on
the
8th
of
september
2021
to
be
taken
as
read
and
approved
as
a
correct
record.
A
J
J
And
I
see
that
as
being
a
democratic
wrong
in
this
council
forum,
I
can't
see
a
situation
where,
in
any
other
council
that
is
controlled
by
one
particular
grouping
or
another,
where
they
would
allow
a
situation
that
those
who
designate
different
than
them
would
be
in
control
of
working
groups.
Now
I
accept
that,
yes,
they
are
working
groups,
but
we
know
the
significant
amount
of
work
that
has
been
done
in
them
and
how
influential
they
have
been
over
the
mandate
too
much
with
two
and
a
half
mandates
of
this
council.
J
and
paragraph
3.3.2
of
that
states
very
clearly,
the
local
government
act
does
not
specify
any
restrictions
or
guidance
on
the
governance
or
operation
of
working
groups.
Part
4,
section
7
of
the
act,
outlines
arrangements
for
the
discharge
of
functions
of
the
council
by
a
committee,
a
subcommittee
or
an
officer
of
the
council.
J
J
It
implies,
therefore,
that
working
groups
do
not
working
groups
are
normally
appointed
for
a
limited
term
to
focus
on
issues
of
particular
concern.
Our
council
has
used
working
groups
to
deal
with
a
number
of
important
operation
issues
rather
than
going
down
to
the
more
formalized
route
of
subcommittees.
J
In
light
of
that
report
and
information
that
it
is
clear
to
me
that
we
don't
require
any
legal
input
whatsoever
other
than
to
have
the
issue
raised,
it
was
raised
in
governance
and
brought
to
council
for
decision
or
for
ratification
depending
on
the
decision
or
recommendation
of
the
committee.
Of
course,
you'll
not
be
surprised
to
know
that
I
don't
agree
with
the
recommendation
from
the
committee
and
I'm
sure
that
others
will
have
their
own
view
on
this,
and
I
accept
that
they're
entitled
to
do
so.
J
However,
I,
the
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
is
quite
a
unique
one.
Standing
orders
only
legislate
for
mandatory
committees,
and
so
there
is
no
formal
process
and
it
is
very
clear
to
me
that
we
can
do
and
appoint
working
groups
as
we.
So
please,
based
on
the
report
in
2016,
the
matter
of
and
you
you
begging
forgiveness.
I've
lost
my
train
of
thought.
I'm
sure
you're
hard
to
find
that
hard
to
believe.
But
lord.
J
Lord,
thank
you,
lord
mer,
and
when
somebody
raises
the
point
of
order,
they
should
address
the
point
that
they
believe
is
to
be
broke
to
be
braced,
but
you
said
lengthy
discussion.
You
put
me
back
on
between
a
thought.
Counselor
michael,
thank
you
so
much
because
the
issue
is
around
whether
this
item
could
be
called
in
and,
of
course
it
could
be
under
process.
J
However,
at
governance
last
week
there
were
six
and
a
half
pages
worth
of
discussion
about
this
matter,
and
it's
been
discussed
more
in
the
last
week
than
it
has
ever
been
discussed
in
the
length
of
this
council.
So
I
see
that
the
process
has
been
duly
followed,
and
so,
therefore,
I
would
recommend
that
we
don't
accept
the
recommendation
of
the
committee,
but
that
we
would
move
to
reconfigure
the
working
groups
and
run
the
working
groups
as
set
as
I
set
out
at
that
stage.
J
J
That
would
equate
to
three
members
from
the
dp
three
members
from
also
unions
party,
three
members
from
schinfian,
one
astlp,
one
alliance
and
the
independent
paul
berry.
Now
it's
up
to
everybody
else,
if
they
so
wish
to
have
me
on
that.
But,
however,
whether
I
am
or
whether
I'm
not
this
is
about
correcting
a
democratic
disgrace
on
this
council
and
therefore
I
would
make
that
a
formal
proposal
this
evening.
Thank
you.
O
I
would
like
to
take
some
legal
advice
because,
yes,
country
cosby,
has
quoted
legislation
there's
also,
potentially
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
a
solicitor
case
law
to
consider
and
I'm
not
really
content
resting
upon
council
to
cause
peace.
Legal
wisdom
on
this
there's
also
governance
considerations,
so
our
internal
audit
department
might
actually
have
some
thoughts
in
terms
of
best
practice
in
terms
of
our
governance
as
well.
O
The
working
groups,
that's
important
to
remember,
are
not
decision-making
bodies,
they
are
consultative
bodies
and
where
ideas
and
issues
are
around
past
parties.
I
think
there
is
an
issue
in
terms
of
the
representation
of
independence
on
those,
but
I
mean
I
think
this
is
quite
a
cynical
attempt
actually
to
reduce
the
alliance
party's
representation
on
the
council.
So
every
other
party
gains
the
sdlp
actually
would
lose.
It's
a
cynical
attempt
to
remove
one
of
their
members
as
well,
and
and
country
cosby
would
gain
representation.
O
As
smaller
parties.
We
sit
on
a
greater
number
of
working
groups,
so
sometimes
we're
stretched
and
more
so
than
the
larger
parties
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
attend,
because
we
have
different
clashes
so
having
two
members
enables
us
to
ensure
that
the
party
is
represented
and
at
every
single
working
group
and
that
our
point
of
view
can
be
heard.
So
I
do
have
serious
consideration
or
serious
concerns
about
the
proposal
on
the
table.
O
I'm
also
not
sure
what
the
process
is.
I
mean
in
terms
of
so
you'd
run
to
hunt
for
10
and
then
ad
hoc,
you
would
just
add
on
one
from
any
other
group
and
that's
not
proportionate,
that
that
doesn't
to
me
follow
through
and
you'll
have
different
makeups
and
different
chambers
during
the
year.
So
I
don't
think
it's
actually
a
sustainable
model,
so
yeah,
as
I
said,
number
of
issues,
there
is
one
potential
way
forward
and
look
I'm
not
I'm
fully
aware
that
other
parties
will
not
have
had
an
opportunity
to
consider
this.
O
So
I
fully
understand
if
others
wish,
to
push
this
to
the
working
group
in
line
with
the
original
recommendation,
but
as
I
am
conscious,
the
councillor,
cosby
and
unconsciously
very
are
not
necessarily
well.
I
think
councillor
crosby
still
is
on
the
dp
group
and
from
the
election
entitled
to
to
be
represented
in
the
working
group,
but
I
am
conscious
that
independence
generally
are
not.
O
So
is
it
possible
that
we
would
just
retain
two
representatives
from
each
party
plus
then
one
from
any
other
independent
grouping?
So
you
know
you
would
count
counselor
barry
and
you
know
another
independent,
there's,
two
separate
independent
entities
so
independent.
So
basically
it'd
be
two
from
each
party
plus
independent
councillors,
and
that
way
everybody
has
fair
representation.
O
I
can't
foresee
there
be
on
any
issues,
although
obviously
I
would
like
to
get
reassurance
from
that
on
officers
and
maybe
type
further
advice,
but
I
think
that
solves
the
issue
and
I
have
to
say
I
take
exception.
I
mean
counselor
cosby,
grouped
together
three
parties
and
said
that
they
have
a
majority.
Any
three
parties
would
have
a
majority
in
a
working
group,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
don't
vote
and
we
don't
take
decisions
with
the
majority
or
not
is
totally
irrelevant.
O
So
this
hasn't
really
been
thought
through
from
the
perspective
of
a
small
party,
and
I
don't
actually
be
able
to
particularly
conducive
to
good
governance.
So
that
would
be
my
counter
proposal
that
we
would
proceed
with
two
from
each
party
grouping
plus
any
independent
counselors,
and
I
think
that
would
be
sustainable
going
forward.
Thank
you.
Lord
mayor.
U
They're
quite
clearly
not,
and
I
think
it
probably
came
to
a
head
and
really
came
to
light
and
in
a
working
group
recently
and
when
it
was
first
set
up
for
the
northern
ireland
centenary
where
it's
true
from
each
party.
But
it's
also
the
chair
of
the
relevant
committee.
So
on
the
northern
ireland
centennial
committee,
the
lance
party
had
two
other
members.
U
There,
plus
they
had
the
chair
of
development,
so
they
had
100
of
their
party
on
board
in
a
working
group
where
the
dup
has
the
largest
partying
council
has
20
percent
of
our
party.
So
to
me,
that's
grossly
unfair
on
this
council
talents
and
said:
yes,
it's
not
a
decision-making
body,
but
the
discussions
on
a
working
group
are
fairly
informal
and
the
discussions
that
we
have
really
form
the
the
papers
that
come
to
council
and
come
to
committee
and
for
discussion.
U
So
if
the
alliance
party
of
100
of
their
voice
are
not
working
group,
for
example,
to
use
them
as
an
example,
it
could
be
any
party
and
we
have
20
percent.
Obviously
they
have
a
far
later
voice
on
that
committee
and
then
we
do
and
that
shapes
and
the
recommendations
that
come
to
committee.
So
I
think
counselor
cosby
makes
a
very
valid
point
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
second
counselor
knows
you're,
sorry
not
going
to
know
councillor
cosby's
proposal,
and
I
think
you
know
it's
the
same
with
every
part
of
you
know.
U
U
A
J
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
It
is
just
in
lane,
as
I
articulated
at
the
governance
committee,
and
that
is
for
ten
places
and
the
reason
I
used
that
was
and
to
then
give
the
alliance
party
a
place
plus
contrabary
and
I'm
not
precious
over
a
place
myself
I'll.
Let
others
make
that
decision,
but
the
purpose
for
that
is
very
simple.
It
is
to
make
sure
that
the
committees
remain
of
a
similar
size
as
they
currently
are
made
up
as
well.
J
So
that's
why
I
thought
10
in
line
with
what
we
do
for
the
pcsp
and
then
the
cancer
berry
and
the
alliance
party,
and,
if
others
who
wish
for
another
independent
member
to
be
added,
then
that
gives
us
the
desired
political
makeup.
That
is
reflective
of
the
democratic
wishes
of
the
electorate,
and
I
would
suggest
that
anybody
who
is
prepared
to
allow
the
the
democratic
decision
of
the
electorate
to
be
reversed
by
working
groups,
then
I
would
suggest
they
have
some
explaining
to
do.
Q
We
have
parts
of
our
borough
haven't.
Had
recycling
collections
emptied
in
three
weeks
we
have
people
who
are
worried
about
leisure
services
and
somewhat.
I
have
complaints
about
some
of
the
issues
that
impact
upon
the
services
we
provide
as
a
council
and
we're
sitting
fighting
and
a
bond
fight
over
how
many
people
sit
on
a
working
group
groups
who
don't
have
decision-making
authority
who
are
basically
consultation
groups
that
happen
outside
the
committee
structure,
which
then
papers
come
through
the
committee
structure.
Q
There
is
no
democratic
deficit,
the
only
thing
that
would
say
in
relation
to
counselor
tennyson's
proposal.
My
understand,
that's
what
is
there
at
the
minute?
That
is
the
status
quo,
in
that
it's
two
from
each
party
and
the
two
independents
can
then
attend.
You
know,
and
I
like
country,
tennis
and
a
lot
of
those
working
groups.
Q
And
I
would
be
keen
to
hear
the
chief
executive's
thoughts
on
this
and
to
see
where
his
view
is
on
it.
But
personally,
I
believe
we
have
a
hell
of
a
lot
more
important
issues
to
be
getting
on
with
working
on
the
intricacies
of
a
standing
orders
and
a
trying
to
get
one
upmanship
and
trying
to
cut
people
out
of
committees.
C
Nordner,
just
in
in
relation
to
this,
I
think
we
need
to
have
maybe
a
slightly
wider
look
at
where
we
have
been
in
some
of
these
things.
I
have
been
a
member
of
a
number
of
working
groups
working
parties
in
this
council
over
the
years
and
if
one
wanted
reflect
on
attendance,
it
would
reflect
very
badly
as
regards
a
member's
attendance
at
them.
C
I
know
that
there
is
a
meeting
of
the
governance
subcommittee
called
for
the
fourth
of
the
month
and
that
I
suspect,
is
prior
to
the
next
governance
committee
meeting.
Now
I'm
not
privy
to
the
agenda
for
that
special
governance
meeting,
but
I
I
realize
that
there
is
an
issue
here.
Folks,
it's
it's
something
that
has
obviously
come
till
ahead,
since
primarily
since
country
across
be
departed
from
the
dup,
but
maybe
that's
another
story,
but
leave
that
out.
C
There
is
a
an
issue
that
has
got
to
be
looked
at:
it's
just
it's
a
wider
issue
really
and-
and
I
refer
to
some
other
working
groups
or
other
committees
or
not
committees.
There
was
a
committee
whereby
there
was
three
members
from
every
party
on
it
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
chairman
of
the
relevant
committee
was
on
that
or
not.
So.
I
believe
that
in
lucanatus
issue
it
is
potentially
a
wider
issue,
and
I
think
we
do
need
to
look
at
that,
and
reference
was
made
in
in
the
minutes
about
legal
opinion.
C
I'm
not
so
sure
legal
opinion
really
affects
this
in
any
great
way.
I
think
working
groups,
in
my
opinion,
the
size
of
them
are
literally
our
rule
of
this
council,
and
this
council
has
always
tried
to
operate
on
the
basis
of
inclusion,
try
and
be
as
inclusive
as
possible,
and
I
would
like
to
think
that
burn
in
mind
where
we
are
that
we
would
continue
to
do
that.
C
A
W
W
The
preference
for
the
officers
is
that
you
have
a
paper
in
front
of
you
that
you're
able
to
look
at
all
of
the
issues
and
consider
them
to
make
sure
that
any
decision
that
you
make
is
a
good,
safe,
sound
decision.
I
don't
know
whether
there
are
issues
about
making
the
change
or
whether
there
aren't,
and
that
was
the
reason
for
saying
that,
and
certainly
one
of
the
the
issues
for
me
was
that
we
have
a
variety
of
working
groups
and
there
are
difference
in
sizes.
W
I
know
the
one
alderman
spears
is
referring
to
was
the
the
one
that
was
looking
at
special
projects.
Three
councillors
were
put
on
that
because
it
was
one
to
represent
the
rmr
area,
one
to
represent
the
krigalvan
area
and
one
to
represent
the
bomb
bridge
area.
So
there
were
reasons
for
it
to
and
it
for
me
members,
it
is
important
that
you
consider
the
whole
host
of
issues
and
there
could
be
operational
and
practical
matters
that
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration
as
well.
W
So
that
is
the
reason
why
at
the
committee
meeting
members,
I
suggested
you
can
have
a
report
come
to
council
meeting
this
evening.
That
wasn't
the
view
of
the
committee.
The
view
was
that
the
report
would
come
to
next
month's
governance
committee
and
that's
the
recommendation
that
is
in
front
of
you
and
you're.
Obviously
having
the
debate
this
evening.
W
In
terms
of
timeline,
there
is
a
working
group
meeting
scheduled
for
the
4th
of
october.
The
committee
meeting
is
on
the
13th
of
october,
and
full
council
meeting
is
then
obviously
and
4th
monday
of
next
month,
lord
mayor,
so
it
is
a
matter
for
members.
Members
have
said
a
lot
of
things
that
are
absolutely
correct.
W
Working
groups
do
not
make
decisions.
The
working
groups
do
not
have
a
statutory
formula.
It
is
a
matter
for
members
to
do
that,
but
officers
being
officers.
We
would
prefer
you
to
have
a
paper
that
details
and
flushes
out
all
of
the
issues
to
make
sure
that
you
make
a
decision.
I
think
it
is
right
and
appropriate
that
there
is
a
review
of
the
working
groups.
We've
had
them
now
for
six
years,
seven
years,
so
it's
not
inappropriate,
but
it's
about
making
sure
that
you
make
a
decision.
That
is
the
best
for
the
council.
W
You
also
had
a
proposal
from
councillor
alderman
spears,
supporting
the
recommendation
but
tasking
officers
so
that
those
last
two
are
perhaps
variations
on
a
theme,
lord
mayor
and
that's,
I
suppose,
where
I
would
stand.
I'm
not
sure
whether
sharon
mcnichol
strategic
director
is
anything
further
to
add
sure
to
speak
here.
A
X
V
You
lord
mark,
I
think,
as
chief
executive
has
identified,
councillor,
holland
and
alderman
spears
have
both
more
or
less
proposed
that
we
accept
the
recommendation.
So
I
am
happy
to
second
both
proposals.
I
don't
think
that
any
of
the
of
the
parties
would
have
any
difficulty
with
both
independent
members
joining
any
working
group
that
they
wish
to
join.
I
don't
think,
there's
an
issue
with
that
at
all.
I
do
find
it
quite
comical
to
listen
to
councillor
cosby,
who
was
elected
as
an
eub
councillor
who's.
A
Q
Q
A
O
A
U
K
D
X
L
D
J
T
A
U
You
just
a
quick
point
that
vote
has
been
taken.
I
do
know
from
the
minutes
that
them
and
it
happened
there
in
the
voting
game
or
on
a
couple
accounts
or
she
weren't
able
to
make
a
vote
because
of
technical
issues.
I
know
councillor
wilson
and
it
was
probably
his
first
committee
meeting
and
was
having
problems
with
the
ipad
that
night
and
couldn't
make
a
voters
were
in
the
bizarre
position
where
we
had
to
get.
U
You
know
everybody
had
to
hear
an
audible,
yes
or
no
over
the
over
the
airwaves,
but
it
would
not
be.
You
know
a
wise
way
forward
that
if
that
happens
again
that
you
know
whoever's
in
the
chair
could
even
make
a
phone
call
to
the
side
counsellor
and
put
it
in
like
speaker
where
they
can,
where
they
can
vote
me
affirmative
or
whatever
or
even
phone
a
member
staff
and
say
because
I
think
it
was
probably
under
an
interview
but
a
silliness.
U
But
we
couldn't
take
a
vote
whenever
quite
clearly,
you
can
put
your
hand
up
on
the
screen.
You
can
make
a
phone
call
loudspeaker
for
all
the
members
to
hear.
I
think
going
forward.
I
think
if
there
is
technical
issues,
because
you
know
there
will
be
there's
a
lot
of
members
that
haven't
haven't
come
tonight,
probably
when
they
could
have
and
we're
going
to
get
that
even
with
committees
and
all
going
forward.
So
is
that
something
we
could
look
at
or
can
we
just
agree
to
that
tonight
that
we
can
do
that.
W
Thank
you,
lord
murray.
Yes,
we
were
indeed
discussing
this
earlier.
I
think
sharon
and
I
have
been
talking
about
it
as
well.
What
we
probably
want
to
do
is
talk
about
this
at
the
working
group
on
the
fourth
of
october,
because
it
has
now
it's
happened
on
a
couple
of
occasions
and
it's
trying
to
find
we
have
a
protocol
in
place,
but
it
talks
about
the
member
being
heard
so
based
on
that
experience,
we
probably
are
going
to
have
to
revisit
that.
So
that'll
be
part
of
that
agenda.
A
A
A
H
Y
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Lord
martin.
Please
excuse
my
dulcet
tones
this
evening.
Just
a
matter
of
horizon,
I'm
sure
nobody'll
be
surprised
and
I'm
glad
to
get
back
to
talking
about
toilets
again.
To
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
it's
lcs
one,
three,
zero
four
class
2021,
it's
just
in
relation
and
to
a
matter
that
I
had
highlighted
regarding
the
changing
places
toilets
in
the
border
again,
just
a
thank
you
to
the
officers.
Y
They've
really
done
a
great
job
on
these
applications
and
they
will
be
so
so
they'll
be
met
with
such
delight
by
these
families
across
the
borough.
Secondly,
just
to
thank
sharon
and
her
officers
for
the
speedy
response
that
they
did
have
to
the
issue
that
I
had
in
the
people's
park
with
this
changing
places,
toilet
I'm
glad
to
see
work
progressing
there
and
just
again
would
be
remiss
of
me
to
use
the
opportunity
to
say
that
there
is
a
consultation
for
changing
places,
toilet
open
at
the
moment.
Y
It
closes
on
the
20th
of
october,
and
I
really
do
implore
as
many
members
as
possible
and
to
encourage
your
input
into
that.
This
is
actually
something
we
can.
We
can
physically
do
for
the
constituents
across
this
borough
so
just
again
pass
on
my
thanks
to
those
officers
and
will
continue
the
work
there
that's
needed.
Thank
you.
A
AA
You,
lord
mayor,
it's
just
it's
it's
in
regards
to
in
terms
of
the
electrical
it's
in
regards
to
one
of
our
facilities
and
that's
heavily
used
on
that
slot
called
country
park.
But
it's
in
regards
maybe
mark
can
help
with
this
one
in
terms
of
the
motorsports
events
that
are
held
and
lock
all
country
park,
there's
a
couple
of
them
every
year
and
they're
hugely
successful,
and
one
of
them
was
a
couple
of
weeks
back
there.
AA
I
am
the
the
rally
and
it
was
again
you
know
a
huge
success
as
it
is
every
year,
there's
another
event
coming
up
on
the
9th
of
october
and
it's
a
tiger
rally
and
it's
usually
held
in
the
park
on
another
location
on
the
day
and
it's
a
very
ideal
spot
for
it,
and
a
lot
of
the
organizers
really
appreciate
the
efforts
of
council
around
that.
But
I
think
from
conversations
the
organizers
have
had
with
one
of
our
officials
and
michael
ruddy.
AA
I
think
there's
maybe
some
type
of
an
issue
over
this
year
and
the
organizers
are
sort
of
getting
a
bit
concerned
about
if
the
venue
will
be
made
available
or
not.
For
the
event
and
it's
on
the
9th
of
october,
which
is
really
only
a
couple
of
weeks
away,
I
would
be
really
really
grateful
if
mark
and
parkinson
could
have
a
discussion
with
the
organizers
of
the
rally
just
to
see
if
those
issues
could
be
overcome.
AA
It's
you
know,
there
is
an
expectation,
I
suppose,
from
the
organizers
perspective,
that
the
location
will
be
offered,
and
you
know
as
it
is
each
year,
and
it
would
be
good
if
that
conversation
could
happen,
and
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
in
the
next
few
days
of
some
certainty
could
be
brought
to
that.
I
was
just
contacted
today
about
it.
So
thanks
for
indulging
me,
lord.
G
A
M
Yeah
thanks
lord
mayor
and
and
I
suppose
in
the
same
mother-
and
I
will
put
my
thanks
to
the
officers
who
sort
of
dealt
with
this
very
really
quickly,
and
it
is
something
that
has
to
be
sort
of
considered
fully,
as
I
understand
that
the
the
paperwork
is
being
checked
and
they
should
be
in
contact
with
the
organizers
tomorrow
in
relation
to
the
the
outcome,
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
it's
positive.
So
look
put
on
my
own
record.
M
A
Y
Y
I
just
want
to
ask
you
a
very
brief
question.
Perhaps
an
officer
could
come
back
to
me
about
it.
It's
in
regards
to
the
that's
the
the
christmas
program.
It's
actually
in
regard
to
the
silent
christmas
or
relaxed
christmas,
as
we
always
would
have
had
in
council.
This
is
a
very,
very
important
event
that
council
has
always
supported.
Y
G
Y
Year,
it
would
be,
the
planning
will
be
well
underway
because
it
it's
not
a
straightforward
event
and
it's
it's
one.
It's
one-on-one
with
families,
which
is
the
whole
point
of
it.
So
if
perhaps
some
of
the
officers
could
get
back
to
me.
I
have
families
asking
me
about
this
already,
because
usually
they
say
the
plan
will
be
in
place.
The
event
would
be
really
the
first
end
of
november
into
the
first
week
of
december
and
there's
a
certain
amount
of
planning.
Y
A
AB
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
we'll,
send
out
all
the
details
of
all
the
christmas
events
tomorrow
for
members.
There
are
a
number
of
different
events
taking
place
right
across
the
borough
right
through
the
whole
month
of
of
november,
and
certainly
counselor
flaherty
will
follow
up
on
your
query
as
well
and
bring
back
a
discussion
with
you
in
relation
to
that
event.
A
A
X
Thank
you,
lord
mayor
members.
This
report
is
before
you
because
the
local
government
coronavirus
flexibility,
district
council
meetings.
Regulations
have
now
been
extended
until
the
end
of
march
2022
and,
as
a
result,
we
just
want
to
formalize
the
arrangements
for
council
and
committee
meetings
going
forward.
So
the
recommendation
is
that
council
and
committee
meetings
operate
on
a
hybrid
basis,
as
the
council
is
doing
tonight
from
october
onwards,
subject
to
an
ongoing
review
in
relation
to
any
potential
changes
to
the
legislation.
A
A
We
all
agreed
thank
you
agreed
move
on
to
six
point.
Two
demons
have
a
bit
of
80
problems,
6.2
implementations
and
strategic
planning
policy
and
development
in
the
countryside,
which
is
the
planning
and
advice
note,
and
I'm
going
to
call
upon
olga
to
deliver
the
report
on
streaming
problems.
Thank
you.
M
However,
this
approach
that
has
been
taken
by
the
minister
has
is
going
to
make
it
very
challenging
going
ahead
within
the
rural
areas
to
get
permission
which
at
the
moment
is
still
very
challenging
and
there's
no
real
need
for
it.
I
think
I
referred
in
the
meaning.
This
was
a
a
change
of
policy
by
stealth,
and
I'm
still
of
that
opinion
and
there's
words
added
where
there
weren't
words
and
I'm
still
of
the
opinion
that
this
is
a
complete
change
in
in
policy.
M
If
this
ponds
with
hate
is
upheld,
it's
going
to
devastate
an
impact
in
rural
communities
and
families,
looking
for
replacement
dwellings,
dwellings
and
farms,
dwellings
within
clusters
or
gap
sites.
So
I'm
happy
to
oppose
this.
Lord
murder
and
and
and
I
hope
that
the
minister
does
take
congress
off
the
content
of
the
letter.
I've
spoken
to
your
personally
on
this
about
a
week
ago
at
the
palace,
along
with
other
members
that
were
there
at
the
mid-south
west
meeting,
and
I
think
she
did
listen
and
I
did
warner
and
told
her.
J
The
minister
has
been
quite
brazen
in
doing
this
and
you
know
how
do
we
know
how
many
applications
we
may
have
in
the
system
that
may
fall
foul
of
this,
because
when
the
application
was
submitted,
this
actually
wasn't
in
place,
and
so
it
has
been
retrospectively
going
to
have
to
be
applied
to
applications.
Have
we
made
decisions
that
would
be
impacted
on
that,
and
I
suppose
that
is
question.
J
But
it
just
seems
to
be
the
wrong
way
to
apply
new
planning
policy,
and
I'm
wondering
is
there
a
way
and
I'm
I'm
sure
the
department
have,
but
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
also
clarify
with
the
department?
Have
they
went
out
to
full
consultation
for
this?
And,
if
not,
why
not?
Given
the
fact
that
any
other
public
change
in
policy
or
statements
or
legislation
must
go
out
to
public
consultation?
J
I
think
it's
going
to
be
quite
significant
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
defending
our
ratepayers
from
the
minister's
draconian
introduction
of
this
policy.
Thank
you,
and
maybe
the
members
on
the
planning
committee
from
this
council.
Your
colleagues
of
the
minister,
would
make
every
effort
to
bend
her
ear
on
this
matter.
Also,
thank
you.
Z
Thank
you
very
much,
lord
mayor.
We
did
have
a
good
discussion,
constructive
discussion
at
the
last
planned
committee
maiden
and
around
this
pan
notice
and
and
those
councilor
cosby
says.
I
think
this
came
out
as
a
pan
notice
to
avoid
a
consultation
as
a
change
to
plan
and
policy.
So
that's
why
we've
got
this
notice.
It
will
impact
particularly
on
our
real
residents
and
have
had
calls
from
concerned
constituents
agents
and
in
relation
to
applications
already
in
the
system.
Z
AA
Yeah
thanks,
so
I
would
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
so
far
and
as
counselor
savage
said,
we
had
a
very
good
discussion
at
planning
committee
on
it
and
I
think
you
know
even
further
than
that.
I
think
it
does
sort
of
strike
at
the
heart
of
the
planning
committees
on
autonomy
in
terms
of
what
is
acceptable
and
and
what
you
know,
the
minister's
intervention,
I
feel
it's
totally
unhelpful.
I
think
it
does
need
clarity
in
terms
of
what
our
committee,
in
terms
of
its
legal
responsibilities
really
are
in
regards
to
this.
AA
Do
we
have
you
know
the
ability
to
have
our
view
based
on
you
know
the
policy
that
we
have
been
working
through
for
the
past
six
or
seven
years.
You
know.
Are
we
saying
now
that
that
has
been
the
wrong
policy?
I
wouldn't
imagine
we
are
going
to
say
that
and
with
that
being
the
case
going
forward,
do
we
have
the
the
authority
and
the
autonomy
to
continue
on
as
we
have
been,
which
I
feel
and
the
you
know,
pps
pps21s
current
case
is,
you
know
restrictive
enough?
AA
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
see
any
further
restrictions.
You're
building
a
house
on
a
farm,
it
has
to
be
cited
a
cluster
with
the
existing
farm,
you're
limited
to
one
application
every
10
years,
so
neanderthans
are
struggling,
especially
to
get
a
a
dwelling
on
on
an
out
form,
for
instance,
and
so
those
were
all
issues
that
to
me,
are
you
know,
excluding
you
know
new
entrance
to
foreman,
so
there's
enough
hurdles
for
our
rural
dwellers
without
bringing
in
this
second
draft
hurdle.
AA
So
I
think
you
know
everybody
could
see
it
far
enough
from
that
perspective,
so
I
do
think
we
knew
even
of
clarity.
I've
asked
damien
ford,
I
think
at
the
last
week
now
we'll
we'll
look
forward,
I'm
quite
sure,
as
committee
members
to
another
full
discussion
on
another
next
committee
meeting
next
week.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Yeah,
thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Like
constant
nicholson,
I
took
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
with
the
infrastructure
minister
in
relation
to
this,
but
I
agree
with
the
sentiments
of
the
latter
and
have
no
no
issue
and
support.
Not,
I
think
the
the
issue,
for
example,
where
there
effectively
is
a
change,
in
definition
in
terms
of
infill
or
in
terms
of
buildings,
on
a
farm,
and
I
don't
think
that's
helpful
at
all,
and
I
I
would.
Q
I
think
that
a
I
think,
councilor
wilson
or
alderman
wilson
referred
to
given
the
autonomy
of
the
the
planning
of
a
authority
of
council
and
that
that's
what
we
were
told
that
they,
whenever
decisions
were
duvall
whenever
planning
was
involved,
two
councils
that
this
would
give
the
the
councils
the
autonomy
to
be
able
to
make
an
interpret
policy.
I
also
see
fit.
Q
I
don't
see
any
liberal
interpretation
of
existing
pps21
through
a
planning
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
number
of
refusals,
go
through
the
door
in
council
that
will
show
you
a
justify
that
officers
have
been
pretty
rigid
in
terms
of
the
existing
interpretations
of
policy.
So
look
I'd,
know
a
hesitation
and
support
me
that
I
want
to
minister.
I
know
that
just
for
counselor
cosby's
point,
I
think,
and
maybe
country
nicholson
would
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
The
minister
did
say
that
there
was.
Q
This
was
connected
to
consultation
and
she
encouraged
council
made
to
respond
with
a
with
its
views,
and
I
would
like
to
to
think
that
whenever
that
consultation
does
come
out,
we
could
do
an
even
more
robust
response,
rather
than
just
the
ladder
we
have
before
us,
maybe
given
some
more
detail
and
the
impact
that
it
will
have
on
on
the
number
of
applications,
that's
before
council.
Thank
you.
P
P
AC
A
AC
AC
What
I'm
picking
up
is
a
number
of
councils
are
quite
content,
apparently
with
with
the
pan
and
what
it
contains,
whereas
other
councils
are
taking
a
similar
line
to
ourselves
and
are
very
much
against
it
and
consider
it
actually
to
be
new
policy,
as
opposed
to
clarification
of
existing
policy.
Certainly
that's
the
approach
that
we're
taking
and-
and
we
consider
that,
because
it
is
new
policy,
it
should
have
been
through
public
consultation.
AC
So
there
are
a
number
of
councils
that
are
taking
the
same
line
and
there
are
also
rumors
circulating
that
someone
out
there
is
going
to
judicially
review
this
pan
as
well.
We
don't
know
who
that
is,
but
certainly
there
are
rumors
that
effect,
but
we
just
have
to
wait
and
see
how
it
plays
out,
but
certainly
a
letter
back
from
us
along
the
lines
that's
being
drafted.
I
think
there
will
be
a
similar
letters
going
from
other
a
number
of
other
councils
as
well.
Lord
mayor.
AD
Thanks
lord
mayor-
and
it's
really
probably
just
to
let
members
know
that
that
this
is
on
the
agenda
for
the
northern
ireland
partnership
panel
on
wednesday
morning.
It
has
been
brought
by
the
head
of
planning
and
causeway
coast
and
glams
just
sort
of
reiterating
the
point
that
damien
has
just
made.
So
there
will
be
an
opportunity
obviously
to
discuss
this
at
the
panel,
hopefully
with
the
minister
directly.
AD
So
it's
just
to
reassure
members
that
obviously,
as
demian
has
said,
there
are
other
councils
that
are
having
issues
with
us
like
ourselves
and
just
as
with
other
members,
the
individual
cases
have
been
raised
to
myself.
So
it's
just
to
reassure
members
that
it'll
be
raised
in
another
forum
as
well
on
wednesday
morning.
T
A
A
A
Y
Yeah
well,
it
should
be
of
no
surprise
to
anybody,
because
it's
the
second
response
back
with
regards
to
the
children's
funeral
fund,
and
I'm
actually
I'm
actually
a
bit
emotional
about
this
today,
because
my
colleague
rosary
barton
mla
raised
this
on
the
floor
of
the
assembly
this
morning.
So
we're
pushing
this
up
guys,
and
I
want
to
say
to
all
you
members
too,
to
thank
thank
you
for
your
unwavering
support
for
the
children's
funeral
fund.
Y
I
I
just
want
to
take
this
opportunity
again.
Thank
you
roger
for
writing.
The
letters
in
the
first
place-
and
I
know,
get
quite
frustrated
written
letters
all
the
time,
and
this
is
all
we
can
do
at
the
minute,
because
this
is
not
within
our
gift
anymore.
This
is
within
the
gift
of
the
minister.
So
again,
I
appeal
to
her
to
implement
this
fund
forthwith
and
I
really
really
implore
anyone
with
any
any
more
influence
to
try
to
apply
some
pressure
to
implement
this
fund.
Y
Y
I
appreciate
that
councils
are
always
being
highly
commended
for
being
so
proactive
and
I'm
so
proud
of
this
council
for
being
the
first
to
do
it,
and
it's
great
that
we
can
be
caring
in
these
circumstances,
but
as
if,
in
this
letter
says
again,
this
support
from
councils
was
only
ever
to
be
interim
and
it
doesn't
cover
every
cemetery.
So
there
are
parents
still
missing
out
on
even
this
small
gesture.
Y
So
again
I
say
we
need
to
get
this
done
and
it's
over
to
you
ministers,
but
thank
you
very
much
chief
executive
and
also
to
the
staff
in
cemeteries
who
carry
out
such
a
lovely
job
all
the
time
and
have
to
implement
the
scheme
that
we
do
have.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
for
allowing
me
in
there.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
flaherty
and
spoken
from
the
heart,
and
thank
you
on
behalf
of
council
for
for
persevering
with
us
here.
It
really
does
show
that
local
government
can,
you
know,
can't
bring
it
by
change
and
hopefully
sometimes
you
know
what
we
will
bring
about
change
and
it'll
be
down
to
yourself
for
your
lobbying
councillor
tinsley.
Can
I
bring
you
in
now?
Thank
you.
AE
Yes,
thank
you,
lord
mer,
and
it's
really
just
to
sort
of
back
up
counselor
flaherty,
and
I
know
that
all
along
I've
been
very
supportive
of
this.
And
but
it's
been
just
really
lip
service
as
a
series,
because
I've
never
had
to
experience
anything
along
this
this
this
in
the
past.
But
I
was
dealing
with
a
family
just
and
within
the
past
month
and.
AE
And
so
I
just
wonderful,
fully
support
wholeheartedly
a
counselor
flaherty
everything
that
you
have
been
doing
on
the
assembly.
Those
ministers
in
the
assembly
have
been
doing
and
because,
as
I
say,
it's
only
when
you
witness
it
firsthand
that
you
really
do
appreciate
and
what
that
little
bit
of
support
can
mean
to
the
family.
So
thank
you.
Lord
mayor.
A
A
A
A
S
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Look
really
it's
the
time
of
the
year
where
we're
all
going
to
get
contact
over
fireworks
and
they've
become
a
serious
concern
for
many,
and
certainly
something
that
my
phone
goes
mad
about
in
and
around
this
time
of
the
year,
and
it's
very
easy
at
the
time
to
be
very
reactive
and
deal
with
the
here
and
now,
and
so
suppose.
The
purpose
of
this
motion
is
that
we
are
a
bit
more
proactive
as
a
council
around
fireworks.
I
don't
want
to
be
a
killjoy.
S
I
like
fireworks
as
much
as
the
next
person.
I
love
going
to
the
display
at
the
lakes
and
I
really
enjoy
it,
but
I
suppose
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
encourage
a
more
thoughtful
approach
to
firework
displays
which
takes
into
consideration
the
thunderbolt
within
our
community,
but
also
our
animals
and
including
the
vip
dog
that
features
on
many
of
our
maintenance
woody
as
he
climbed
up
into
the
camera's
view.
S
We
as
a
council,
encourage
all
public
firework
displays
within
our
borough
to
be
advertised
in
advance
of
the
event
that
they
analyze
people
who
don't
like
the
noise,
who
have
wonderful
relatives
that
don't
like
the
noise
or
indeed
pets
and
be
prepared
for
that
and
to
take
any
precautions
necessary
that
we
as
a
council,
would
think
about
a
public
awareness
campaign
about
high
fireworks
impact
on
animal
welfare
and
vulnerable
people
and
including
encouraging
and
educating
the
public
about
how
to
mitigate
against
the
risks.
Of
that.
S
H
Thank
you
and
I'd,
be
brave.
We've
had
a
long
meeting
up
to
this
point,
so
it
was
just
basically
to
support
my
colleague,
counselor
nelson.
I
had
mentioned
and
questioned
our
local
inspector
from
the
psna
on
this
mother,
and
that
confirmed
to
me
that
halloween
is
indeed
the
busiest
time
of
the
year
for
them
regarding
asb
and
fireworks.
Do
play
a
big
part
in
that.
H
So
with
that
in
mind,
that
alone
would
would
bring
me
to
support
this
motion
and
I
think,
in
reality,
councilor
nelson's
motion
is
a
practical
and
where
to
deal
with
some
of
these
issues
without
actually
impacting,
hopefully
on
any
of
the
joy
that
these
events
can
actually
bring
and
we'll
also
push
into
safety.
Reality
is,
although
we
might
all
enjoy
it,
there
are
a
number
of
vulnerable
and
elderly
residents
in
particular,
who
find
it
a
difficult
time
of
the
year.
H
A
M
Yeah
thank
you
chair
and,
like
obviously
the
sentiments
and
the
motions
no
issue,
but
I
just
want
a
clarification.
Do
we
not
do
a
lot
of
this?
It's
on
this
motion?
Surely
anybody
that
has
a
fireworks
display
has
to
advertise
it
and
and
go
through
health
and
safety
and
risk
assessments
and
all
the
different
things
you
require
like
before
you
otherwise
nobody's
going
to
turn
up?
Well,
you
know,
just
and
and
and
also
you
know,
pcsp.
M
Obviously
I
think
they
they
do
something.
I
think
I
remember
seeing
at
one
time
in
relation
to
public
awareness,
so
I
I
just
think
that
you
know
a
law
of
the
sentiment
motion
no
issue
with,
but
I
think
it
almost
says
that
we're
not
doing
anything-
and
I
think
that's
disingenuous-
I
think
you
know
there
is
it's.
There
is
systems
in
place
of
counsel.
V
Thank
you,
lord
man,
I'd
like
to
support
the
motion
as
well.
I
think
I
mean
it's
not
just
council
that
hold
public
fireworks
displays
lots
of
people
who
public
fireworks
displays.
Who
would
be
wrong?
They
assume
that
the
motion
is
the
injured
council
on
their
actions.
It's
about
all
fireworks
displays
and
some
private
displays
and
gardens,
and
things
like
that
is
just
trying
to
create
awareness
about
the
harm
that
the
fireworks
delight.
V
Fireworks
can
do
to
people
like
three
pets
myself
and
for
the
last
two
weeks
of
october
and
the
first
week
of
november
they're
petrified
every
single
night,
the
fireworks
going
off.
So
it's
just
really.
The
sentiment
in
the
motion
is
to
create
awareness
about
that.
I
think
council
have
a
role
to
play
in
all
of
that
picture,
but
we
we
can't
bring
in
legislation
so
part
of
the
motions
about
encouraging
the
assembly
to
bring
forward
legislation
to
limit
the
decibels
in
terms
of
fireworks.
So
I'm
happy
to
support.
J
Hey
thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
granted
still
no
issues
really
with
the
sentiments
of
the
motion.
However,
they
agree
with
country
nicholson
and
in
some
of
his
queries,
and
we
accept
that
fireworks
are
fabric
displays
are
held
both
legally
and
quite
honestly,
illegally
and
and
nobody
knew
sat
more
than
the
residents
of
kleiner
park
brownstone
park
and
thermal
draven
49.
J
But
if
I
could
suggest
an
amendment
to
notice
of
motion-
and
it
is
very
simply
that
this
council
will
report
all
efforts
that
it
is
making
to
and
then
pick
up
encourage
all
public
firework
displays
blah
blah
blah.
So
it's
just
in
certain
a
number
of
words
just
after
this
council
will
and
the
words
are
report
on
all
efforts
that
are
being
made
too.
A
O
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
It's
just
for
you
to
speak
in
support
of
the
motion.
I
mean
most
animal
owners
or
pet
owners
and
will
have
raised
fireworks
in
the
community
and
with
a
counselor
at
some
point
in
time.
I
think
this
motion
is
relatively
straightforward.
I
think
the
sentiments
are
should
be
easily
overheated
by
all
members.
O
There's
two
very
simple
action
points.
One
is
which
that
we
have
a
public
awareness
campaign
that
can
be
done
at
next
to
no
cost
building
upon
actions
that
this
council
already
takes
can
be
done
by
social
media
and
so
on.
The
second
is
that
we
write
to
the
executive
and
support
of
legislation
being
brought
forward.
O
Members
have
had
the
usual
notice
period
to
consider
this,
and
I
think
I
didn't
even
intend
to
speak
on
the
motion
actually
to
be
honest
because
I
thought
it
would
be
nodded
through
and
just
be
totally
unanimous,
but
I
just
think
we
are
dancing
on
the
head
of
a
pen
here
and
it
should
be
really
straightforward
to
just
creep
us
tonight.
But
thank
you,
lord
mayor.
C
I
I
I
I
can
understand
what
is
what
it's
saying,
but
I
would
like
some
degree
of
clarity
as
regards
it,
so
I
I'm
quite
happy
to
second
the
proposal
on.
Maybe
that
is
taken
to
a
committee
and
a
way
better
research
workers,
don't
as
regards
the
powers
that
council
have
currently
and
possibly
make
a
meaningful
recommendation,
then
to
the
the
powers
that
be
at
stormwater
for
to
introduce
that
legislation
after
that
discussion.
Thank
you.
AF
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
I
think
alderman
spears
had
had
summed
it
up
very
well
in
relation
to
a
meaningful
debate
and
discussion
in
in
the
future,
because
we're
well
aware
that
that
fireworks
and
all
of
its
nature
is
well
regulated,
and
we
have
a
very
good
team
of
staff
with
environmental
health,
public
health
that
will
will
deal
with
such
issues
and
complaints
that
do
arise.
I
am
I'm
a
dog
owner
and
I
know
one
halloween
night.
AF
The
dog
comes
into
the
house
a
lot
earlier
than
it
should
because
of
fireworks,
and
all
that
comes
with
it
and
you
know.
Obviously
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
informed
discussion
in
relation
to
it,
because
this
motion
here
would
nearly
indicate
that
we're
doing
absolutely
nothing
as
a
local
authority
and,
as
counselor
nicholson
has
said.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
a
very
clear
message
that
we're
well
aware
of
our
responsibilities
and
indeed,
as
alderman
spears
has
said,
have
that
informed,
meaningful
discussion
in
relation
to
the
way
forward.
AF
So
I
would
really
support
their
motion
in
relation
to
putting
this
to
committee
for
further
discussion.
Come
back
with
a
a
clear
message
and
that
doesn't
rule
out
this
motion
in
the
future,
but
I
think
it's
just
making
sure
that
we
have
a
clear
message
of
our
responsibilities.
What
we
currently
do
and
what
we're
allowed
to
do
within
the
law
and
then
go
to
stormwind
with
our
message
from
that
particular
meeting.
J
Thank
you,
lord
I'm
just
not
sure.
Procedurally,
what
country
nicholas
suggested,
but
I
think
we
have
both
just
agreed
a
a
number
of
words.
That
probably
would
be
sufficient.
I
don't
care
who
proposes
it
or
seconds
it,
but
just
the
amendment
would
be
that
this
council
will
report
to
the
relevant
committee
on
all
efforts
that
are
being
made
to
and
then
continue
on
the
rules
of
motion
from
there.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
we
have
a
proposal
for
an
amendment
that
was
seconded
that
was
proposed
because
you
called
me
on
second
big
country
nicholson,
just
from
from
my
own
perspective
and
I'm
as
the
the
council's
veterans
chopping.
I
know
many
veterans
are
not
in
favor
of
fireworks
and
you
can
appreciate,
but
even
with
a
small
load
bang
and
it
triggers
a
lot
of
people.
A
So
I
I
me
personally,
I
became
to
sort
of
to
delve
deeper
so
that
we
as
a
council
can
can
get
more
information
out
there
rather
than
sort
of
at
the
moment,
we're
sort
of
on
one
level
playing
field.
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
delve
deeper
cancer.
Nelson,
if
I
know
you're
proposing
this,
but
I'm
coming
to
yourself
sort
of,
but
the
amendment
is.
Are
you
going
to
accept
the
amendment?
A
S
Lord
murder,
to
be
quite
frank,
if
it
wasn't
so
embarrassing,
this
would
be
laughable
that
fireworks
are
being
politicized
in
a
green
orange
nature.
I'm
I'm
astounded
and
it's
a
new
low
on
the
part
of
some
this
evening.
For
others,
it's
just
an
attempt
to
become
relevant,
and
if
anyone
wanted
a
more
informed,
meaningful
discussion
and
they
could
have
researched
this,
they
had
this
noticeable
motion
in
their
papers
from
last
week.
S
They
could
have
phoned
me
and
I'm
in
constant
contact
with
people
from
across
the
the
party
benches
on
a
regular
basis
on
issues
that
we
want
to
get
clarity
on,
and
this
motion
isn't
aimed
in
any
way
at
officers
or
council.
I
would
actually
question
what,
if
those
who
have
commented,
this
event
had
risked
it's
a
very
simplistic
motion.
S
It
focuses
on
the
noise
of
fireworks,
it's
not
about
the
regulation
of
fireworks,
the
legality
of
fireworks,
it's
not
complex,
it's
about
the
noise
and
how
the
noise
impacts
on
the
vulnerable
in
our
community
and
our
pets.
It's
that
simple
and
thank
you,
councillor,
owen
tennyson,
because
you
really
just
summed
it
up
for
me:
there's
two
very
simplistic
requests.
S
S
We
are
putting
this
off
for
another
halloween
and
our
phones
will
go
as
all
our
phones
do
at
this
time
of
the
year.
In
fact,
it
was
last
year
that
I
got
a
lobby
email
and
from
both
elderly
charity,
a
charlie
that
works
on
behalf
of
the
elderly,
charlie
that
works
on
behalf
of
animals.
Two
different
lobby
emails
about
this
issue.
It
came
to
me
after
halloween,
so
I
put
a
note
in
my
diary
to
revisit
this
at
august
time
and
at
august
10.
That's
exactly
what
I've
done.
S
A
A
T
X
A
AE
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
members,
members
and
listeners
to
the
audio
fade
in
accordance
with
schedule
sex,
the
local
government
act.
We
will
now
be
moving
into
confidential
session
of
council.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turning
off
the
audio
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
Can
I
ask
the
act
officers
to
please
turn
off
the
audio
feed
and
confirm
with
me
in
the
confidential
section
of
the
making
campus
proceeding.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Can
I
get
a
proposed
secondary
to
adopt
the
decisions
taken
in
committee
proposed
by
alderman
mitry
in
second
big
country,
greenfield
okay,
mamas
agenda
m13,
any
other
relevant
business.
I
don't
have
any
so
members.
Thank
you
very
much
quarter,
past
10,
so
we've
done
well
tonight
for
time
to
the
members
in
the
chamber.
Thank
you
very
much
for
making
your
way
over
and
safe
home
and
members
at
home
straight
to
bed.
Thank
you
very
much.