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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Full Council Meeting on Monday 23rd of August 2021 at 6.30pm
A
B
As
you
know,
we
are
still
meeting
within
a
socially
distant
distance
environment
and
I
would
encourage
members
to
ensure
discussion
is
focused
so
that
we
are,
the
meeting
is
not
prolonged.
A
seating
in
the
mesoalternate
is
restricted.
Only
and
limited
numbers
of
officers
have
been
able
to
attain.
If
a
member
wishes
to
speak,
please
can
you
raise
your
hand
if
members
queries
are
unavailable
to
be
answered
tonight,
officers
will
come
back
with
any
requested
information.
B
Members,
you've
all
received
open
announcements,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
our
new
councillor
councillor
ian
wilson,
you're
welcome
ian.
Thank
you.
Congratulations
on
your.
Your
elevation.
You've
been
politics
for
quite
a
long
time,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
specifically
within
the
barnbridge
dea
and
I'd
like
to
invite
you
to
say
a
few
words.
C
C
B
Also
like
to
congratulate
councillor
o'hallon
and
his
wife,
andre
and
the
birth
of
their
son
connor
on
the
28th
of
july,
conor
has
also
welcomed
little
brother
for
annie
and
lucy.
So
please,
members
of
the
sclp.
Can
you
convey
the
council's
wishes
to
them
agenda
item
one?
We
have
apologies
from
the
deputy
lord
merchant
donnelly
castro,
holland,
councillor,
nelson
and
alderman
kennedy.
Do
we
have
any
other
apologies.
B
D
Of
the
party
for
a
long
time
even
longer
than
me,
I
think-
and
news
knows
quite
a
bit
about
politics
and
I'm
sure,
no
time
until
he
gets
to
know
the
mechanics
of
of
local
government
and
heart
works
here.
So
he's
a
very
welcome
addition
to
the
team-
and
I
just
want
to
welcome
him
along
to
nathan,
wish
him
and
his
wife
and
his
family
and
well
as
he
takes
up
this
rule
and
represents
the
bomb
bridge
and
dea
and
also
pass
on
our
party's.
B
B
B
The
presentation
will
be
on
the
screen
behind,
but
it
may
be
difficult
to
be
able
to
see
from
wherever
you're
sitting.
Okay
item
4.1
is
a
presentation
from
the
northern
housing
executive,
on
housing
investment
plan
for
the
the
abc
borough
and
with
us.
We
have
grania
long
you're,
very
much.
Welcome
colin
mcqueen
john
mccartney
and
mark
ingham
you're.
All
very
much
welcome.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming,
and
so
it's
over
to
your
sales.
F
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
good
afternoon,
good
evening,
everyone.
So
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here
and
with
my
colleagues
and
delighted
to
be
able
to
present
you
on
the
housing,
executives,
housing
investment
plan
and
I
suppose,
first
of
all,
just
to
say
how
critical
it
is
for
us
to
be
working
directly
with
this
council.
And
you
know,
your
community
plan
is
really
important
to
us
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
we
deliver
the
right
homes
in
the
right
places
and
indeed
the
right
services
and
for
the
people
in
this
in
this
borough.
F
F
In
the
20
to
21
year
and
that
spread
across
planned
maintenance
in
our
homes
and
adaptations
for
people
with
disabilities,
ground
maintenance
response
maintenance
and
so
on,
very
large
investment
in
new
build,
although
of
course
we'd
like
that
to
be
to
be
greater
and
of
course,
I'll,
come
back
to
that
and
you'll
all
be
aware.
Obviously,
of
the
supporting
people
fund,
which
supports
people
directly,
provides
housing
support,
services
and
extremely
important
services
to
often
very
vulnerable
people.
F
So
that's
the
year
that
was
and
I'll
cover
some
of
that
in
a
bit
more
detail
in
terms
of
this
financial
year,
you'll
be
pleased
to
see
growth
across
a
number
of
areas.
Now
I
haven't
included
in
this
figure
the
new
build
figures
for
the
year
because,
as
I
say,
that's
the
year,
that's
coming
so
we
won't
know
the
total
amount
of
investment,
yet
so
I'll
be
back,
hopefully
with
you
next
year
to
be
able
to
confirm
what
we
have
spent.
F
But
what
you
will
see
is
considerable
growth
and
I'm
sure
you
hopefully
you'll
be
pleased
to
see
that
in
our
planned
maintenance,
so
in
other
words,
going
from
from
about
7
million
last
year
to
16
million
in
planned
maintenance
in
stock.
So
so
the
residents
of
the
local
area
will
see
the
improvements
there.
It's
not
without
challenge,
as
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
in
a
number
of
areas
over
the
course
of
your
work.
F
This
year,
cost
material
costs,
costs
in
in
labor
and
and
supply
shortages
are
driving
up
costs,
but
nevertheless
we
want
to
hold
firm
in
our
commitments
to
the
borough
in
this
year,
and
you'll
also
see
that
we
are
planning
to
increase
our
spend
and
response
maintenance
and
across
a
number
of
areas
this
year.
So
I'm
really
hoping
that
your
constituents
will
see
the
benefits
of
that
now
in
the
next
few
months
and,
but
importantly,
it
also
means
jobs
for
the
local
area
and
it
means
investment
in
supply
chain.
F
F
For
the
year
we
have
a
significant
program
of
work
ahead,
as
announced
by
the
minister
for
communities
last
year
to
revitalize
the
housing
executive,
and
I
will
come
on
to
that
and
but
the
work
that
we
do
regionally
across
northern
ireland
to
manage
and
maintain
over
85
000
homes
makes
us
the
biggest
landlord
on
these
islands,
and
indeed
further
afield,
so
very
large
program
of
work.
And
but
within
that,
some
really
big
funding.
F
As
I
said
for
supporting
people
and
delivering
our
homelessness
strategy,
and
we
will
come
back
no
doubt
you
will
have
questions
for
myself.
My
colleagues
on
homelessness,
but
it
has
been
an
extremely
difficult
year
for
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
some
very
difficult
decisions
that
we've
had
to
take
in
terms
of
how
we
provide
services
to
people
who
are
homeless
during
a
pandemic.
F
So
very
happy
to
cover
questions
on
that
and
we
have
a
big
program
had
a
big
program
regionally
last
year
in
terms
of
increasing
the
supply
of
social
housing
and
I'm
pleased
to
say,
despite
the
fact
that
there
was
a
pandemic,
we
were
able
to
exceed
our
targets
in
relation
to
both
start
and
completion.
So
I
think
we
have
more
to
do
in
this
borough.
F
So
no
doubt
you'll
want
to
talk
to
me
about
that,
but
I'm
pleased
to
say
we
did
manage
to
get
significant
investment
in
improvement
of
homes
over
the
course
of
the
year
and
working
with
er,
with
with
colleagues
in
this
in
this
council
ensuring
that
we're
contributing
to
community
planning
partnership
priorities.
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
working
directly
with
councils
to
ensure
that
your
investment
priorities
for
the
area
that
we
can
align
are
our
plans
with
those
and
making
sure
we
do
that.
F
F
Our
planned
maintenance
program
will
introduce
social
cause
clauses
into
our
contract,
so
you
will
see
more
and
more
apprenticeships
coming
through
within
the
housing
executive
and
and
that
will
have
a
knock-on
effect.
And
then
you
may
be
aware
also
that
a
huge
amount
of
work
is
undertaken
across
the
organization
to
meet
the
requirements
for
housing,
benefit
recipients
and
again
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
that.
Just
very
briefly,
to
mention
covert
19
recovery.
F
We
were
successful
in
in
securing
an
additional
10
million
of
funding
from
the
department
for
for
to
support
people
who
who
needed
it
in
relation
to
homelessness
and
supporting
people,
but
nevertheless
getting
em
to
a
point
where
we
could
avert
a
major
public
health
crisis
amongst
our
homeless
population
has
been
really
difficult
and
it's
required
a
huge
amount
of
work,
we're
not
there.
Yet.
I
have
to
say
every
day.
In
fact,
just
before
coming
in,
we
were
discussing
some
further
challenges
ahead
in
terms
of
how
we
keep
people
safe.
F
We
are
overly
dependent
on
temporary
accommodation,
so
the
number
of
hostels,
the
number
of
units
available
in
hostels,
is
reduced
because
we've
had
to
introduce
social
distancing
so
as
a
result,
we're
using
more
and
more
temporary
accommodation
for
longer
periods
that
we
would
want
to,
and
and
so
we've
had
to
move
very
fast.
We've
brought
some
of
our
properties
back
into
use
ourselves,
but
nevertheless
we
are
fighting
an
ongoing
battle
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
people
are
safe
and
and
and
and
that
will
continue,
I
think
for
the
foreseeable
future.
F
So
it's
not
a
good
story
to
tell
I'm
afraid,
but
the
purpose
of
the
housing
investment
plan
and
we
are
statutorily
required
to
appear
before
you
and
happy
to
do
so
under
the
1981
housing
order.
But
really
it's
about
also
being
your
partner
being
a
community
planning
partner,
so
ensuring
that
we,
where
we
can,
we
will
align
our
priorities
with
yours
and
in
the
best
interests
of
local
communities.
F
So
we
do
the
housing
investment
plan
work
in
partnership
with
with
colleagues
across
council,
and
it's
involved
a
huge
amount
of
discussion
and
collaboration,
I'm
glad
to
say,
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
will
agree.
Our
plan
reflects
your
community
planning
priorities
and
we
consider
our
role
as
a
community
planning
partner
to
be
extremely
important.
F
So
just
to
remind
you,
the
number
of
homes
we're
talking
about
just
over
83
000
homes
in
the
borough
and
a
number
of
those,
as
I
said
just
over
seven
thousand-
are
housing
executive
properties
and
the
breakdown
about
65
percent
owner
occupied
at
24
in
the
private
rented
sector.
So
quite
a
lot
of
growth
there
in
the
last
number
of
years
and
11,
in
social
housing
and
and
and
from
a
perspective
from
a
social
housing
perspective.
F
You'll
see
significant
growth
actually
in
waiting
lists,
and
you
will
know
this,
I'm
sure
from
from
your
own
constituency
work
and
significant
growth
in
applications
to
the
waiting
list
and
also
growth
in
the
number
of
people
in
housing
stress
in
the
area.
So
that
is
coming
forward
now
really
at
pace
in
the
last
number
of
years,
but
significantly
since
covet.
F
So
just
to
give
you
the
numbers
in
a
bit
more
detail,
just
over
1100
households
presented
as
homeless
in
the
last
year
and
that's
an
increase
and
an
and
a
growing
increase
and
53
percent
of
those
applicants
accepted
as
homeless
and,
as
I
said,
significant
numbers
going
now
presenting
and
being
placed
in
temporary
accommodation
and
which
again
we
do
not
want
to
be
doing
for
prolonged
periods.
Temporary
accommodation
is
only
intended
to
be
there
as
a
temporary
solution
and,
unfortunately,
we're
doing
every
placing
greater
numbers
of
people
for
longer
periods
of
time.
F
Population
change
you'll
see
growth
in
terms
of
the
number
of
older
people
in
the
area,
and
we
need
to
respond
to
that
then,
and
the
types
of
homes
that
are
coming
forward
and
the
nature
of
that
accommodation.
We're
very,
very
aware
of
that
and
acutely
aware
of
of
the
need,
so
in
terms
of
the
population
19
of
the
population
is
over
65
or
will
be
over
65
by
the
end
of
this
decade.
F
So
in
2021
we
only
completed
seven
new
homes
in
the
area.
So
that's
not
good
enough
when
we
have
to
do
more,
and
there
is
much
better
news
coming
down
the
line
and
but
obviously
covet
19
had
a
major
impact
on
the
number
of
completions.
However,
we
do
have
151
new
social
homes
on
site.
In
fact,
I've
been
visiting
some
of
them
more
recently
in
arma
archiving,
a
very
good
scheme,
just
just
commencing.
F
F
In
terms
of
next
steps
on
the
plan
on
the
housing
investment
plan,
we
will
continue
to
provide
updates
to
you
on
a
regular
basis
on
an
annual
basis
and
certainly
happy
to
do
so
on
a
regular
basis.
And
we
ensure
that
our
plan,
our
investment
plan,
is
aligned
with
yours,
as
I've
said,
and
ensuring
that,
across
the
borough,
we're
meeting
where
we
can
we're
meeting
need,
as
as
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
just
before.
F
I
finish
I
wanted
to
mention
revitalization,
which
is
which
is
a
major
program
announced
by
the
minister
for
communities
in
november,
and
you
will
be
aware
that
her
intention
and
the
intention
of
of
of
her
department
is
to
enable
the
housing
executive
to
borrow
and
to
enable
us
to
do
that
for
two
reasons.
First
of
all
to
fund
investment,
and
we
we
have
a
major
need
for
investment
in
our
existing
stock,
some
of
which
I've
touched
on
already,
but
importantly,
to
enable
us
to
build.
F
I
talked
about
a
structural
gap
between
demand
and
supply
and
housing,
and
we
something
has
to
give.
We
need
new
levers
to
bring
forward
social
housing
supply
and
certainly
the
housing
executive
wants
to
be
in
a
position
to
do
that.
So
working
in
partnership
with
the
department.
We
are
currently
engaged
in
a
number
of
pieces
of
work.
F
But
the
immediate
priority
for
the
department
is
to
prepare
an
outline
business
case
in
this
mandate,
so
in
the
next
number
of
months,
so
very
busy
period,
but
nevertheless
very
focused
on
ensuring
that
whatever
we
come
up
with
both
as
models
and
options
has
to
have
tenants
at
the
core,
so
it
has
to
have
existing
tenants
and
also
those
on
the
waiting
list
and
very
focused
a
priority
area
of
focus
for
us.
So
that's
enough
of
me,
talking
at
you
and
obviously
we're
here
to
happy
to
take
questions
and
discuss
further.
Thank
you.
B
G
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
thank
you
for
the
report
very
interesting,
reading,
very
comprehensive
report.
I
think
first
of
all
I
just
want
to
put
on
record
my
thanks
to
yourself,
john
and
your
staff,
specifically
jackie
mclearnon.
I
know
it
has
been
a
difficult
period.
The
past
couple
years,
especially
but
all
was
found,
used
to
be
very
responsive
to
inquiries
and
you
might
not
always
get
the
answer
you
want,
but
to
be
fair,
he's
been
very
professional,
very
courteous,
and
I
think
you
know
you
really
really
stand
out.
G
So
the
other
point
I
wanted
to
ask
specifically
was
around
whether
we
have
a
derelict
or
empty
homes
strategy
in
this
borough,
because
I
think
in
and
around
north
oregon.
I've
mentioned
this
before
within
the
council
context,
but
it
might
be
an
idea
for
and
the
housing
executive
to
maybe
work
with
the
associations
and
the
council
to
identify
derelict
housing,
because
you
know
it
can
be
a
long
process.
Obviously,
we've
seen
it
put
it
down
and
large
in
different
places
around
getting
land
ownership
and
things
like
that.
But
there
are
derelict
houses.
G
F
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
question
directly
and
I'll,
possibly
call
on
just
to
say
so.
I
think
your
your
question
was.
I
got
a
brief
on
north
logan
and
a
very
detailed
one.
So
obviously
they've
been
listening
to
you
and
again
pleased
to
see
you
know
a
program
now,
that's
there
and
a
lot
more,
a
lot
more
deliverables
coming
forward
and
a
number
of
units
coming
forward
now
into
the
into
the
program.
So
people
will
be
watching
that
with
interest,
no
doubt
on
just
on
on
derelict
homes
and
empty
properties.
F
We
could
ask
that
a
lot,
as
you
can
imagine
across
all
the
council
areas
and
we
we
are
very,
very
keen
where
we
can
to
add
to
new
supply.
We
do
have
a
business
case
with
the
department
currently
on
acquisitions
to
enable
the
housing
executive
to
acquire
properties
that
may
either
be
formally
our
own
or
purchases
that
we
could
make
in
the
wider
stock.
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
see
a
positive
answer
to
that
business
case
in
due
course,
but
column
you
might
want
to
add
anything
more
deep.
H
It's
never
straightforward
that
we
did
push
out
and
there
were
new
arrangements
put
in
terms
of
rates
on
empty
homes
and
not
being
pushed
out
and
whatnot,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
really
in
northern
ireland
in
particular
have
taken
any
any
any
really
it
hasn't
taken
off
at
all
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
there's
something
there.
That
is
on
the
it's
on
the
to-do
list
for
the
department
to
actually
restart,
maybe
an
empty
home
strategy.
But
at
the
minute
it's
not
there.
H
I
do
agree
that
there's
a
lot
of
empty
homes
in
the
borough
and
that
could
actually
be
brought
back
into
use
and
dust
do
seem
to
be
falling
into
disrepair
actually
and
actually
blatant
in
certain
areas.
Even
in
certain
very
affluent
areas,
you
you're
seeing
empty
homes
that
seem
to
have
been
abandoned.
So
I
think
there's
something
in
what
you're
saying.
I
Thank
you,
and
can
I
just
put
on
record
as
well
just
a
nice
thanks
to
mark
and
the
team
in
porter
down
and
for
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
the
ground
in
a
new
mark
any
time
areas
and
they
shoot,
is
very
responsive
and
comes
with
solutions,
as
opposed
to
white
reasons.
Why
something
can't
be
done.
I
So
I
appreciate
that
very
much
so
and
just
also
to
welcome
the
work
that
is
ongoing
in
in
the
corporate
and
redmondville
area
around
the
kitchen
bathroom
schemes
and
the
bathroom
team
is
completely
kind
of
parked
in
the
ecm
scheme
county
park
brownstown.
I
know
the
residents
have
been
waiting
a
long
time
on
some
of
those
schemes
because
of
delays
and
whatnot.
So
that
is
very
welcome
and
to
appreciate
that,
but
just
in
relation
to
the
housing
allocations,
you've
identified
640
needed
over
the
next
five
years.
I
I'm
wondering-
and
I
may
have
just
missed
it,
but
I'm
actually
going
through
your
main
report
as
well.
Just
to
see
how
and
I
see
an
appendix
2
you
set
out
the
social
housing
need
from
20
to
25,
and
I'm
wondering
how
that
squares
with
the
up
with
the
application
list
that
you
have,
because
there
are
four
thousand
just
over
four
thousand
applications
in
the
system
2367
of
those
in
housing
stress,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
646
actually
meets
that,
but
also
in
terms
of
looking
down
at
the
schemes
that
are
on
site.
I
F
So
so,
just
on
the
on
on
housing
need,
I
mean
the
strategic
housing
authority,
t
team
and
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
housing,
need
and
measuring
housing
need
in
the
area,
and
they
will
obviously
look
at
applications
and
they
look
at
the
levels
of
housing,
stress
and
and
and
in
in
in
putting
together
those
numbers.
They'll
also
look
at
our
existing
properties.
Our
allocations
are
our
annual
allocations
and
then
and
the
way
in
which
they
measure
need
also
includes
backlog
in
the
system
and
so
on.
So
the
649
is
not.
F
Will
you'll
never
have
it'll,
never
be
a
direct
correlation
between
the
number
of
applicants
and
housing
stress
and
the
number
that
we
feel
are
and
the
number
of
homes
that
are
needed,
and
but
nevertheless,
that
figure
is
is
a
high
number
and
649
does
recognize
the
scale
and
the
nature
of
need
in
the
area,
and
it's
the
number
that
we
will
plan
our
when
working
with
housing
associations
in
terms
of
new
build.
That's
the
number
that
we
work
off
and
that's
the
number
that
our
shaping
teams
work
off.
F
We
also
undertake
a
number
of
and
we're
doing
it
across
a
number
of
parts
of
the
borough
when
we're
looking
at
site
identification
studies
and
looking
at
where
land
is
available.
So
we
do
that
very
proactively
through
our
place,
shaping
teams
and
on
the
new
build
side,
the
housing
executive
really
wants
to
build
and
we
want
to
add
to
new
supply
and
we're
not
currently
able
to
do
so.
F
So
that's
part
of
the
work
that
we're
now
undertaking
on
revitalization,
as
I
said,
and
that
will
take
a
number
of
years-
and
it's
probably
likely
to
be
at
least
2025
before
we're
in
a
position
to
do
that,
because
this
is
a
major
piece
of
work
ahead
and
before
we
get
there.
So
in
the
meantime,
as
I
say,
there
are
a
number
of
steps
that
we
would
like
to
take
to
add
new
supply
and
acquisition
acquiring
stock.
F
That's
currently,
you
know
either
vacant
or
either
available
on
the
market
is
something
that
we
would
really
like
to
do
and
do
proactively
so
that
business
case
that's
currently
with
the
department,
is
a
very
important
one
and
I
think
that's
what
we
want
to
take
forward.
So
it's
not
ideal,
but
it
will
get
us
certainly
get
some
additionality
into
the
system.
I
suppose
from
our
perspective
as
we
move
towards
that
more
fundamental
change.
J
Thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
thank
you
to
the
panel,
but
also
to
the
the
local
team
that
we
would
work
with
on
a
daily,
well
weekly
basis,
if
not
in
some
cases
daily,
and
we
just
pass
on
our
gratitude
and
and
thanks
to
them
for
all
of
their
help
on
various
matters
in
relation
to
the
new
bills.
I
would
be
keen
to
get.
J
I
don't
expect
you
to
give
the
answer
to
tonight,
but
even
if
you
email
or
write
to
me
in
relation
to,
I
know,
there's
only
seven
new
social
homes
completed
but
151
sort
of
new
social
homes
on
site.
I
would
like
a
breakdown
of
those,
but
also
like
a
breakdown
sort
of
with
the
future
housing
issues
of
the
646
over
the
next
five
years
and
those
159
units
programmed
just
like
a
breakdown
of
those
because
those
of
us
in
rural
areas.
J
J
F
We've
just
published
a
draft
rule
strategy
and
we're
clear
in
that
that
we
don't
think
that's
good
enough.
So
we
have
more
to
do
and
I
think
people's
expectations
actually
frankly
of
the
mix
between
rural
and
urban
housing
is,
is
changing
and
changing
in
the
right
way.
I'm
sure
you
would
agree
so
I'm
so
very
happy,
and
I
will
follow
up
with
you
on
that
yeah.
B
K
Thank
you
very
much,
lord
mayor,
and
grant.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation,
like
other
counselors
I'd
like
to
thank
mark
and
john
and
the
entire
team
in
this
area,
they've
been
fantastic
throughout
the
year.
The
staff
are
very
responsive
and
they're
easy
to
deal
with,
unlike
some
departments,
but
the
question.
Crony
really
is
in
terms
of
you
alluded
to
yourself
and
the
216
million
and
improvements
and
schemes
throughout
the
year.
There's
going
to
be
difficulties
with
costs,
shortages
and
skills.
K
F
Thank
you
thank
you,
and
just
can
I
just
follow
up
on
the
other
point.
Columns
just
reminded
me:
there
is
a
a
presentation,
a
virtual
presentation
on
the
rural
strategy.
My
colleague
sinead
will
be
doing
that
this
thursday.
So
again
we
will
we.
We
can
circulate
further
information
on
that,
but
it's
for
it's
for
counsellors,
so
we
can
she.
She
can
brief
you
in
more
detail.
F
So
thank
you
for
that
on
the
issue
of
investment
and
I
suppose
the
issue
of
capacity
you're
you're
right
it
is,
it
is
an
area
that
is
exercising
us
greatly
and
I
think
a
day
doesn't
go
by
when
we
don't
have
a
meeting
at
senior
levels
within
the
housing
executive
on
how
we
are
going
to
deliver
on
our
commitments
this
year.
That's
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
well.
First
of
all,
our
commitments
are
large,
and
rightly
so.
F
So
I
think
we
knew
pre-covered
the
construction
industry
faced
a
skill
shortage
anyway,
I
think
that's
worsened,
and
so
I
think
you
know
we
have
some
significant
challenges
ahead
and
I
don't
want
to
be
sitting
here
a
year
from
now.
If
I'm
I'm
invited
back
and
saying
to
you
that
we
weren't
able
to
deliver
on
our
programs,
but
we
are,
but
we
are,
you
know
it
is
a
risk
for
the
organization
we're
not
different
to
other
parts
of
the
public
sector.
I
think
that
are
that.
F
Are
that
want
to
spend
and
want
to
invest
this
year.
You
know-
and
it's
you
know,
no
one
wants
to
be
in
a
situation
where
they
actually
have
the
money,
but
don't
have
the
people
and
the
supply
to
to
deliver.
So
we're
working
very
hard
good
contract
management,
really
good
relationships
locally,
an
excellent
dlo,
I'm
pleased
to
say
a
direct
labor
organization
in
this
area,
so
that
all
puts
us
in
good
stead
here.
I
think
so.
I'm
optimistic
in
relation
to
this
borough,
but
nevertheless
I
wouldn't
be
doing
my
job.
F
L
Yep,
thank
you,
lord
mayor,
and
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
suppose
I
forestar
needed
clearing
interest
because
I'm
the
architect
on
this
scheme
in
ogle
street,
nor
the
one
you're
referring
to
so
obviously
we
do
work
with
arc
housing
and
other
housing
associations
on
that
type
of
thing,
and
you
did
refer
to
obviously
the
housing
cycle.
It
was
one
of
my
questions.
L
So
is
that
an
indication
that
you're
sort
of
fighting-
you
know
an
uphill
battle
here
that
obviously
numbers
are
going
to
continue
to
increase
year
in
year
out?
And
if
that
is
the
case,
what
are
you
putting
in
place
to?
Obviously,
trying
to
alleviate
that-
and
I
suppose
I
think
anybody
I
don't
like
to
get
parochial
and
I
do
welcome
the
investment
in
in
existing
the
links,
especially
environmentally.
It's
so
important.
L
You
know
obviously,
for
energy
conservation
et
cetera,
but
it
will
refer
to
woodford
place
in
irma,
which
again
has
not
been
invested
in
in.
I
have
no
idea,
I
was
in
one
of
the
flats
and
you
could
actually
feel
the
air
blowing
through
the
windows
so
where
others
are
getting
double
glazing,
and
you
know
solar
panels
in
their
roofs
and
new
boilers.
Wood
for
place
norma
has
been
neglected.
L
Sorry,
I
don't
know
what
that
offered,
but
no
look.
It's
not
acceptable
at
the
minute
that
you
know
obviously
we're
talking
about
improving
homes
to
environmentally
friendly,
yet
there's
people
living
without
proper,
sealed
envelopes.
So
I
suppose
that's
something
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
tonight.
The
other
thing
is
allotments.
A
lot
of
people
contact
me
about
allotments
because,
like
a
lot
of
these
developments,
there's
a
lot
of
land
left.
You
know
unused
and-
and
I
hope
that
you
know
the
executive
would-
would
encourage
and
help
me.
L
F
Yes,
thank
you
and
yes,
so,
on
new
build,
I
mean
again,
as
I
said,
very,
very
keen
that
the
housing
executive
is
able
to
build
again
and-
and
I
should
say,
also
the
the
process
to
get.
There
will
be
complex
because
there
are
a
number
of
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
around.
What's
that,
what's
our
investment
requirements,
so
what
do
we
need
to
invest
in
our
existing
stock?
F
What's
our
capacity
to
add
to
new
supply
because
you
can't
switch
the
tap
on,
as
a
number
of
colleagues
have
said
tonight,
already
it's
been
a
number
of
years
decades,
in
some
cases,
since
we
were
building
in
in
local
areas
and
so
you'll
certainly
know
capacity,
issues
will
will
be
a
challenge,
but
also
what
our
plans
are,
and
in
other
words
where
would
we
build?
And
so
we,
while
we
have
significant
footprint,
an
84
000
home
landlord,
has
significant
land
within
our
areas.
F
You
know
making
sure
that
we
build
the
right
homes
in
the
right
places,
so
so
the
the
the
I
suppose,
the
time
frame
from
here
to
2025
is
to
ensure
that
we
we
understand
the
investment
requirement
and
that
any
change
in
legislation
that's
required
to
enable
us
to
borrow
and
whatever
the
nature
of
that
borrow
will
be.
Borrowing
will
be
there's
a
big
piece
of
work
to
do
to
get
there
and
and
we
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
a
sustainable
financial
footing
from
day
one.
F
F
So
so
I
suspect
I'll
be
we'll
be
back
speaking
much
much
more
about
that,
but
but
the
but
the
ambition
to
add
a
new
supply
is
there
and
it's
not
there
in
a
bullish
way,
it's
there,
because
we
know
we
need
it
and
just
to
say
we
don't
see
ourselves
replacing
any
of
the
output
from
housing
associations.
You've
seen
the
figures.
There's
a
gap
and
I
think,
no
matter
how
hard
we
all
work,
it's
going
to
be
challenging
to
fill
it.
F
So
so
I
suppose
I'll
leave
that
there
on
allocations,
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
ask
colin
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
another
colleagues
on
allocations,
but
just
to
say
we
I
mean
there's
no
question.
We
have
seen
a
reduction
in
homes
coming
forward
in
the
last
18
months.
You
know
so
the
normal
numbers
that
we
would
see
of
properties
becoming
void
to
enable
us
to
fill
them
through
allocations
that
has
slowed.
F
So
there
are
people
who
just
simply
haven't
moved
because
of
the
pandemic,
so
that
was
that
was
always
going
to
be
a
challenge
for
us
so
and
and
so
I'll
skip
forward
onto
the
allotments
and
and
so
on
I
mean
our
sustainable
development
strategy
is
ambitious
and
you
know
we
are.
You
know,
I'm
very,
very
keen
that
we
use
our
land.
You
know
for
tree
planting
for
allotments
for
sustainable
drainage
for
rewilding,
with
a
lot
of
work
to
do
so.
We're
our
board.
F
In
fact,
this
week
is
meeting
to
look
at
a
first
draft
of
that
strategy,
so
we're
you
know
we're
very
keen
and
we're
very
happy
to
where
we
can
to
use.
You
know
land
that
is
in
the
com,
in
the
best
interest
of
the
local
community,
for
for
those
reasons
but
column
and
others
that
might
ask
you
just
to
touch
on
allocations
on
that.
H
Sorry,
it
sounded
alluded
to.
I
mean
the
this
time.
Last
year,
the
the
government
guidance
was
don't
move,
and
indeed
we
had
a
significant
reduction
in
the
numbers
of
folk
that
normally
would
have
moved,
because
the
government
guidance
they
didn't
move,
and
indeed
they
couldn't
move.
There
was
no,
no
nobody
there
to
actually
move
them
or
they
couldn't
buy
stuff
and
shops
to
actually
take
up
a
new
town.
H
So
we've
seen
a
significant
drop
in
the
allocations,
and
many
of
those
allocation
would
be
by
transfer
by
the
way
that
all
collapsed
for
the
first
five
six
months
of
the
financial
year
last
year,
so
we've
seen
a
massive
drop.
Unfortunately,
the
the
biggest
reason
why
we
we
begin
an
empty
house
is
death,
so
people
down
our
properties
and
that's
that
allows
them
to
come
on
that
we
take
up
nearly
a
third
of
all
of
our
properties
coming
through.
H
Secondly,
we
found
a
difficult
right
up
and
on
post
christmas
to
actually
get
the
turnaround
of
stock
in
terms
of
getting
it
ready.
The
cots
the
chains
of
tenancies,
I
might
not
have
been
screwed
up-
that's
been
exacerbated
to
a
certain
extent,
with
the
what
you
both
alluded
to
earlier
in
terms
of
the
availability
of
materials
and
men
to
actually
do
the
jobs.
We
have
moved
back
into
a
modern
post-christmas
of
offering
a
full
response
service.
So
we're
back
on
board
with
that
and
we're
hoping
that
things
will
improve
on
that.
H
But
there
was
definitely
a
slowdown
in
that
coming
across
both
by
desire
from
people
not
wanting
to
move
about,
and
secondly,
from
ourselves
actually
trying
to
get
the
the
works
done.
There
is
a
bit
of
a
backlog
we
have
more
voids
now
than
we
normally
would
have
had.
We
were
very,
very
lucky
we're
still
less
than
one
percent
of
our
our
stock
is
void.
We
keep
a
very
close
eye
on
that
and
we're
looking
at
the
trends
in
that,
luckily,
john
and
and
and
mark
can
give
you
more
detail
on
that.
H
But
the
the
intention
would
be
that
we
will
push
this
out
again
in
terms
of
that
and
our
normal
relay
time.
Pre-Covered
was
around
about
18
to
20
days.
We're
now
sitting
there
in
about
37
days
and
you
take
weekends
and
stuff
like
that.
That's
it
that
makes
a
big
a
big
involves
in
what
you
know:
the
availability
of
properties,
so
we're
working
hard
to
bring
that
down.
So
we
are
maybe
I'd,
ask
mark
and
john
maybe
talk
about
the
woodford
place.
Flats
john.
M
M
What
we're
looking
at
it-
and
it's
totality
and
at
this
moment
in
time,
has
gone
through
an
economic
appraisal
process
which
will
help
guide
and
direct
how
we
move
forward
in
relation
to
it.
I'm
not
sure
whether
it's
john
mccain
he's
actually
moved
to
carrying
out
economic
appraisers.
I'm
not
sure
whether
john
will
be
be
working
on
that
one,
but
he
would
certainly
be
familiar
with
the
issues
around
it.
M
L
Is
it
part
of
that
because,
obviously
it
is
in
a
location
which
is
close
to
the
jail
which
is
owned
by
the
council
and
and
and
also
the
city
center,
and
I
suppose,
in
relation
to
the
overall
kind
of
master
plan
of
of
the
area,
I
think
it'd
be
useful
if
it
was,
you
know,
sort
of
that
was
taken
into
consideration
somewhere.
So
thank
you.
N
N
This
you
know
back
in
2017,
there
was
a
fair
bit
of
research
and
report
undertaken
and
with
professional
involvement
and
that,
but
I'm
just
sort
of
a
wee
bit
concerned
to
see
that
some
four
years
later,
I'm
not
sure.
If
the
you
know,
the
actual
final
action
plan
has
been
brought
forward,
and
you
know
I
would
welcome
any
additional
information
about
that.
What
is
a
huge
issue?
I
don't
know
at
the
moment
some
of
the
buzzwords
around
climate
change
and
what
we
can
do.
N
You
know
I
often
see
our
government
bodies
maybe
drop
on
the
ball.
A
wee
bit
in
that
regard,
we
are
asking
people
to
you
know
remain
in
houses
that
maybe
have
inadequate
cavity
wall
insulation,
in
other
word,
insulation
generally,
poor
ventilation,
poor
windows
and
generally
per
you,
know,
energy
efficiency
and
economic
efficiency
for
people,
and
we
know
already
from
people
I'm
dealing
with
that.
Their
budgets
are
stretched,
and
you
know,
as
we
had
another
winter
they're
living
in
defective
properties,
that
a
government
body
is
overseeing.
N
So
if
we're
asking
a
big
industry
to
step
up
and
carry
a
lot
of
the
can,
we
need
to
ask
our
public
bodies
to
do
the
same,
and
we
need
to
see
firm
action
to
ensure
that
cavity
walls
are
properly
insulated,
that
the
very
limited
resources
people
have
isn't
simply
escaping
out
through
our
cavity
walls
and
they're
living
in
you
know
cool
conditions
in
the
winter
when
they
should
be
in
relative
warmth.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
so
I
mean
on
cavity
wall
installation,
I
suppose
energy
efficiency
more
generally.
This
is
a
huge
issue,
very
challenging,
as
you've
said
and
and
but
also,
I
think,
a
big
opportunity.
I
suppose
I'll
start
with
the
challenges
just
to
update
you
on
where
we
are
in
the
action
plan,
because
that
was
your
specific
question.
We've
now
finished
a
a
very
detailed
consultation,
having
produced
two
major
reports
on
cavity
wall
insulation,
so
we
know
the
scale
of
the
challenge
we've
got
out
to
public
consultation
and
then,
in
fact,
again
the
board
meeting.
F
I
refer
to
this
wednesday,
we'll
receive
a
full
briefing
to
the
board
with
the
intention
that
that
action
plan
will
now
come
back
in
detail.
I
think
two
months
from
now,
so
we
you
know
by
the
end
of
this
year,
we'll
be
we'll
be
in
a
position
for
that
action
plan
to
be
signed
off,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
also
to
state
that
on
cavity
wall
and
again
you
may
well
be
very
aware
of
this,
but
and
there's
a
sequencing,
that's
required
across
a
number
of
programs
of
improvements
to
our
housing
stock.
F
External
signal
maintenance
needs
to
be
done.
It
needs
to
be
done.
Well,
you
do
that
first,
before
you
put
the
cavity
wall
improvements
in
because
if
you
improve
cavity
wall
without
a
watered
acm
having
been
done,
you're
potentially
putting
you
know
putting
it
into
a
defective
property.
So
in
in
all
of
those
instances,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
right
sequence
correct
and
that's
why
we've
specifically
put
in
place
a
major
planned
maintenance
program
now,
which
you
saw
in
the
slides
tonight
across
this
borough.
F
For
exactly
that
reason,
and
across
more
generally,
so
that
work
you
know,
will
be
rolled
out
and-
and
I
expect
will
be
in
the
tens
of
millions
and
much
beyond
that.
So
so
we
we're
fully
aware
that
that
is
going
to
be
very
expensive,
but
nevertheless
it's
worthwhile
for
two
reasons.
First
of
all,
ultimately,
to
the
tenant,
we
need
to
keep
our
our
tenants
safe,
warm
and
dry
they're,
the
three
they're,
the
principals.
We
we
work
and
live
by
as
housing
professionals
and
but
equally
to
local
communities.
F
There's
there's
a
you
know:
there
is
a
local
economic
growth
dividend
there
as
well,
and
we
take
that
very
seriously
too
and
more
widely.
I
I
see
the
cavity
wall
insulation
work
as
part
of
a
number
of
work
of
strands
to
what
is
ultimately
about
making
our
homes,
energy,
efficient
and
transitioning
to
net
zero,
and
so
not
all
of
our
homes
that
have
cavity
wall.
Insulation
issues
are
the
same.
F
We
have
a
number
of
homes
using,
for
example,
no
fines,
construction
and
other
forms
of
construction
that
require
a
lot
of
work.
So
we've
we've
received
funding
from
the
european
regional
development
fund.
We're
match
funding
that
that
will
that
will
retrofit
about
2
700
homes
across
northern
ireland
and
with
a
significant
retrofit
to
enable
energy
efficiency
to
be
improved
in
those
homes.
So
cavity
wall
is
one
piece.
F
It's
a
very
important
piece,
as
you
said,
there's
a
number
of
other
pieces
to
the
energy
efficiency
puzzle,
all
of
which
will
require
significant
investment.
So
we're
trying
to
get
as
much
of
that
done.
But,
as
I
said
at
the
start
in
the
right
sequence,
I'm
very
happy
to
come
back
and
talk
further
about
that
at
any.
O
P
Hello,
yes,
thanks
very
much
chair
on
my
questions
in
relation
to
the
current
housing
stock,
on
on
your
maintenance
schemes,
in
particular,
and
and
on
your
maintenance
schemes,
are
important.
You
know
to
help
revitalize
your
current
homes,
but
we
also
need
to
be.
We
need
to
revitalize
the
infrastructure
around
your
current
stock
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
in
relation
to
cure
parking
issues
for
housing,
executive,
tenants-
and
you
know
so
within
the
presentation.
You
know,
there's
imagine
about
a
strong
focus
on
co-designing
and
engagement
with
your
tenants
in
the
weather
community.
P
So
we'll
just
like
to
know
what
contribution
engagement
will
there
be
to
car
parking
issues,
and
you
talk
about
a
partnership
with
the
department
of
infrastructure.
You
know
what
what
partnership
is
there
with
the
department
of
infrastructure
and
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
these
issues,
you
know
as
population
grows,
these
issues
will
soon
need
to
be
faced,
and
so
you
know
we'll
continue
to
feel
we'll
continue
to
fail
in
these
resins
time
and
time
again
and
yeah
we'll
soon
need
to
address
these
issues.
F
Probably
going
to
hand
some
of
this
to
to
column
and
others
in
relation
to
issues
locally
in
relation
to
car
parking,
we
do
work
very
closely
with
the
department
of
infrastructure
and
they
are
our
community
planning
partner.
Obviously,
we
sit
around
the
table
with
them
on
a
regular
basis
in
relation
to
to
getting
the
right
balance
and
ensuring
that
we
have,
as
I
say,
sufficient
car
parking
spaces.
But
equally
one
of
the
areas
that
we
are
working
on
with
the
department
is
on
electric
vehicle
infrastructure.
F
I
mean
there's
a
huge
amount
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
and
as
a
as
a
provider
and
a
landlord
with
land,
we
certainly
are
looking
for
opportunities
where
we
can
to
identify
sites
for
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
too.
So
so
there's
I
mean
as
a
housing
authority
and
a
transport
body
we're
working
very
closely
with
the
department
on
a
number
of
issues
and
at
the
risk
of
sounding,
like
I'm
passing
the
book,
I
might
ask
colin
moore
or
or
others
to
to
talk
about
car
parking
issues.
If
there's
anything,
they
want
to
add.
H
It's
all,
what's
on
there
and
weren't
built
for
the
the
amount
of
game
traffic
that
we
actually
have.
Nowadays,
our
norm
is
and
again
we
at
one
stage
when
I
started
in
the
house,
like
I
said,
we've
made
180
000
houses
we're
down
down
to
around
about
845
000..
Many
of
our
states
are
populated
and
we
are
the
the
minor
landlord
in
many
instances
and
if
there's
more
than
50
percent
in
tenants
in
this
state,
we
will
look
to
partner
up
on
and
put
our
money
and
to
actually
look
after
them.
H
H
H
You
know
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
the
the
amount
of
money
that
actually
has
to
win
is
significant
when
you're
looking
at
this
and
and
quite
difficult
to
plan
through,
especially
if
you're,
taking
away
people's
gardens
and
footpaths
and
various
other
bits
and
pieces
and
tweet
to
do
it.
It
has
been
a
bit
of
a
an
issue
for
us
for
some
time
and
so
far
as
it's
seen
as
it'll
do
all
right,
but
you're
right
it
moved
you
already.
H
It
is
starting
to
impact
upon
the
lives
of
quite
a
few
of
the
residents
in
in
some
of
these
estates,
but
at
the
minute
we're
sort
of
strong.
You
know
if,
if
it
is
the
case
there
that
we
don't
have,
you
know
the
the
right
percentage
of
people,
we
cannot
invest
on
our
own
monies
into
road
infrastructure.
We
not
profound
wanting
if
all
our
partners
are
prepared
to
actually
do
that
in
terms
of
the
road
service
or
whatever
so
yeah.
M
M
What
we'll
also
do
with
as
calm
alluded
to
there,
we
also
try
and
facilitate
an
unenabled
and
cartilage
parking
where
that's
possible
to
to
do
as
well.
So
that's
an
another
strand
to
it.
It
can
be
unusual
now
that
defined
areas
that
that
are
fed
through
to
us
were.
We
would
have
more
than
50
percent
of
the
stock,
and
usually
it
falls
at
that
hurdle
where
it
doesn't.
M
There
there's
other
design
considerations
that
have
to
be
taken
into
consideration
with
the
sighting
and
design
the
proximity
to
the
target,
houses,
layout
dimensions,
parking,
space
numbers
and
all
so
it's
a
it's
a
complex
area
and
it's
one-
and
I
know
that,
frustrates
our
tenants
out
there
and
I
know
they
make
numerous
representations
through
your
sales
to
your
sales.
But
it's
it's
a
difficult
on
a
unfortunate
perennial
issue
that
is
quite
likely
to
continue.
Q
Q
I
know
you
said
it's
quite
hard,
quite
frankly
to
obtain
land
for
social
housing
homes,
particularly
in
there
is
where
there
is
a
housing
need.
There
may
be,
land
are
available
for
development.
It
may
be
soon
for
development.
Indeed,
it
may
be
owned
by
developers
who
want
to
develop
it,
but
they
want
to
develop
solely
for
private
residential
use.
Q
I
know
in
some
regions
in
the
uk
and
scotland
are
particularly
strong
on
this-
that
if
there
is
an
area
with
a
strong
need
for
social
housing
and
the
authorities
are
well
conditioned
at
a
certain
percentage
of
dwellings,
for
that
area
must
be
provided
as
social
housing.
In
order
for
the
overall
application
to
proceed.
Q
Is
that
something
that
you
would
like
to
see?
Potentially
more
of
employed
by
local
authorities
to
potentially
quota
certain?
You
know
housing,
applications
and
areas
of
high
social
need,
so
that
you're
not
constantly
chasing
that
you
know
you're
able
to
have
a
longer
term
look
at
the
things
and
in
particular,
how
can
you
include
that
and
the
thinking
process
in
terms
of
the
local
development
plan,
which
will
be
hopefully
used
as
a
strong
player
shaping
two
for
the
next
15
to
20
years?
So
what
would
your
thoughts
be
enough?
Q
Potentially,
if
you
know,
as
you
mentioned,
you're
engaging
with
planning
officials
in
this
council
whether
to
get
into
their
mindset
that
ethyneria,
while
arch,
logan
or
elsewhere,
an
application
comes
in
and
there
is
of
high
social
housing
need,
but
they
are
thinking
well,
potentially,
should
we
place
the
quota
on
the
number
of
houses
that
should
be
reserved
for
social
development
in
order
to
improve
this,
so
it
would
be
your
maybe
thoughts
on
that.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Thank.
F
Thank
you,
and,
and
again,
I
suppose,
community
community
planning,
as
a
concept
came
from
scotland,
so
you
know
scotland
has,
has,
I
think,
much
to
teach
us
in
relation
to
how
we
ensure
that
we
have
we
use
land
in
the
public
interest
to
ensure
the
right
homes
in
the
right
places.
I
mean
I
mentioned
at
the
start.
F
H
This
is
not
a
new
concept,
I
mean
it's
been
widely
used
and
it
hasn't
been
really.
I
think
some
of
the
concerts
here
have
actually
done.
I
think
belfast
may
have
adopted
it,
and
some
of
the
others
are
actually
actively
looking
at
it
that
there
has
to
be
a
set
percentage
of
any
new
development
set
aside
for
not
just
social
but
social
and
affordable,
so
that
could
be
co-ownership
or
various
other
things.
So,
and
it's
gathering
momentum
in
northern
ireland
and
around
the
council,
I
would
be
very
very
in
favor
of
it.
H
R
Lord
mayor,
hey
just
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
welcome
the
housing
executive
here
on
the
ranial
visit.
I
know
it's
the
first
time
for
the
new
chief
executive
to
be
here.
It's
probably
another
first
time
to
vote
in
this
part
of
the
world,
which
is
a
fairly
travel
lady,
but
in
any
event,
you're
particularly
welcome
here.
May
I,
the
question
I
want
to
ask
is
in
relation
to
her
sales
on
the
the
heart
sales
issue:
vis-a-vis
the
housing
associations
which
they
didn't
sell
as
many
and
laterally.
R
I
think
they
have
stopped
selling
and
the
housing
executive
at
one
time
house
sales
was
a
very
popular
thing
and
it
had
a
a
major
effect
on
raising
the
the
profile
and
indeed
raising
the
standard
in
a
lot
of
instances
within
housing,
executive
states.
Sadly,
that
is
turning
around
the
other
way.
Now
I
find
that
a
a
lot
of
these
houses
are
now
coming
into
the
hands
of
private
landlords
and
whatever
and
they're
not
as
well.
I
was
in
the
state
on
saturday
night
locally
and
I
must
say
I
was.
R
R
Now,
some
of
these
horses
within
estates
are
sold
a
lot
cheaper
per
unit
than
you
can
build
a
new
house
currently
so
there's
a
an
economic
equation
there
that
I
think
in
terms
of
a
a
social
provision
within
aries
and
an
opportunity
to
raise
the
standard
within
the
states
I
mean
this
did.
I
was
in
the
other
notice
locally.
I'll
fill
you
in
later.
R
And
now
the
people
find
that
there's
conditions
that
they
have
to
adhere
to
when
the
remainder
of
the
flats
are
being
upgraded
by
yourselves
and
that
signed
the
dotted
line
and
didn't
realize
what
they
were
saying
and
now
are
and
have
to
pick
up
a
substantial
bill.
So
there
are
issues
there
that
that
I
think
are
challenging
and
probably
need
some
reflection.
So
that's
all
the
point
I
want
to
make.
F
Thank
you.
I
mean
high
sales
on
the
pace
of
high
sales.
They
present
challenges
to
us
as
a
housing
authority
for
a
number
of
reasons.
First
of
all,
you
know
it.
It
reduces
social
housing
stock
available,
so
that
makes
it
very
challenging,
given
the
numbers
that
I've
shown
you,
but
it
also
there
are.
There
are
without
question
housing
management
challenges,
but
there
are
also
challenges
associated
with
how
we
how
we
improve
our
stock-
and
we
spoke
earlier
about
energy
efficiency
we've.
F
Some
very
you
know,
we've
some
very
technical
decisions
to
take
around
how
you
improve
the
energy
efficiency
of
stock.
When,
for
example,
you
might
have
10
or
15
homes
in
a
row,
and
we
are
the
landlord
for
half
of
them,
but
it
might
be
every
second
or
third
home
and
we're
trying
to
wrap
an
envelope
around
15
homes.
So
we've
some
real
challenges
ahead
and
part
of
the
reason-
and
I
know
I've
mentioned
it
twice
already,
but
part
of
the
reason
we
are
quite
keen
to
be
able
to
acquire
homes.
F
You
know
in
the
right
way
would
wouldn't.
It
would
be
to
enable
us
to
answer
some
of
those
challenges,
so
I
think
you
know
probably
already
on
the
record
around
how
sales
it
does
really
present
us
with
huge
challenges,
and
while
it's
you
know
wonderful
for
the
individual
household,
the
broader
public
interest
does
certainly
create
challenges
for
us.
S
Go
ahead.
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Last
but
not
least,
I
would
say.
Listen
thank
you
to
the
panel
and
thank
you
for
your
report
very
brief,
and
I
will
be
brief
and
go
back
to
where
we
started.
I
think
it
was
counts
for
cosby
raised
the
point.
We'd
waiting,
the
the
numbers.
We
have
waiting
less
trends
sitting
there
at
four
thousand
and
six
hundred
and
what
is
it
46
new
units?
S
S
F
So,
just
very
briefly,
I
mean
there
is
no
question
that
the
gap
between
demand
and
supply
has
grown
is
growing,
is
going
in
the
wrong
direction
and
we
have
a
major
structural
challenge,
and
I
think
everybody
on
this
panel
or
on
this
on
the
set
of
tables
would
strongly
agree.
We
need
more
social
housing
and
at
pace
so
we're
very
much
in
agreement
on
that,
and
we
we
the
way
in
which
we
determine
housing
needs.
We
don't
just
look
to
the
waiting
list,
so
we
look
beyond
that.
So
I
agree
with
you.
F
If
you
just
took
the
waiting
list
as
a
determinant
of
need,
we
wouldn't
be
going
far
enough
because
need
you
see
need
much
much
further
afield
than
than
just
the
number
of
people
who
come
forward.
So
we
we
accept
that
and
we're
very
clear
on
that
and
I
suppose
that's
in
a
way
why
we
spend
so
much
time
undertaking
latent
demand
tests
in
areas
building
on
sustaining
our
relationships
with
voluntary
community
sector
organizations
locally,
the
most
local
we
can
be
and
the
better
the
data
that
we
have.
F
B
B
I
would
like
to
congratulate
you
taking
up
your
new
post
and
wish
you
well,
but
equally,
as
members
have
said
that
your
your
team
throughout
the
abc
council
have
been
working
well
and
they're,
probably
one
of
the
better
and
if
not
the
best
sort
of
public
bully
that
I
get
in
touch
with
and
well
may
not
always
want
the
answer
that
I'm
getting,
but
in
terms
of
response
and
working
with
us
or
by
one
of
the
better
ones
that
I
work
with
anyway,
and
so
thank
you
very
much
and
cfo
mrsaf.
Thank
you.
T
Yes,
lord
marth,
thank
you
for
letting
me
in
and
yeah
it's
on
the
issue
that
I
raised
at
the
last
meeting
in
terms
of
the
boundary
signage,
and
it
was
just
I
wanted
to
thank
council
officers
for
the
engagement
and
that
I've
had
with
them
following
that
meeting,
and
you
know
I
certainly
get
the
challenges
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
land
ownership,
the
same
design
and
the
same
safety
and
so
on,
but
I
I
think
that
as
a
process,
this
is
the
th.
This
is
taking
far
far
too
long.
T
I
think
when
we
have
other
councils
throughout
northern
ireland
that
have
this
process
quite
a
bit
along
the
way
than
we
have.
I
think
we
need
to
add
some
importance
to
getting
this
completed
and
I
suppose,
on
the
specific,
I
did
ask
for
a
list
of
the
29
sites
across
the
borough
that
are
in
question
now.
T
You
know
I
would
be
happy
to
propose
that
a
ladder
was
sent
from
this
council
to
department
of
infrastructure
as
a
way
of
you
know
giving
them
a
kick
up
the
back
side
as
it
were,
to
move
this
process
on.
So,
if
council
think
that
that
would
be
appropriate,
I
would
be
certainly
happy
to
propose-
and
you
know
lord
mer-
we
really
do
need
to
bring
this
to
a
conclusion.
Thank
you.
B
R
R
U
In
response
to
alderman's
fears,
question
the
29
signs
are
the
boundary
signs.
The
down
signs
are
the
next
phase
of
it,
so
they
would
be
coming
after
that.
So
it's
trying
to
get
the
29
boundary
signs
as
people
are
coming
from
other
areas
down
to
the
abc
boundary.
So
it's
the
29
as
relating
to
that
lord
mayor.
R
R
So
there's
a
fulsome
job
here
and
there
had
been
a
number
of
discussions
about
this
issue
not
recently,
but
in
the
in
the
distant
past
as
regards
getting
those
signs
up
and
were
about
six
years
in
existence,
so
one
would
have
hoped
that
we'd
have
been
in
a
position
maybe
to
have
had
them
in
place.
By
now.
U
Lord
mayor,
the
time
boundary
signs
that
alderman
spears
refers
to
are
slightly
more
challenging.
I
think
some
of
the
examples
he
has
given
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
the
band
bridge
district
signs
were
replaced
a
very
short
time
just
before
the
new
council
came
into
being,
so
they
were
refreshed
and
renewed
just
ahead
of
rpa.
U
There
are
other
signs
for
towns
and
villages
that
were
replaced
as
part
of
other
funding
programs.
So
therefore
do
not
necessarily
tie
in
with
the
complete
branding
that
council
has
agreed
for
the
boundary
science.
So
there
are
a
number
of
complexities
around
those
as
to
how
that
has
taken
forward,
but
I
think
the
priority
is
certainly
as
councilor
mclaren
has
been
raised
and
raising
over
the
last
meeting
or
two
is
to
get
the
boundary
signs
moving
and
unsorted,
first
of
all,
and
then
to
progress
with
the
towns
and
villages
as
quickly
as
possible
after
that.
B
O
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Just
whenever
we're
talking
about
signs
and
you're
talking
about
all
the
boundary
signs,
can
you
also
look
into
all
the
signs
that
are
in
all
our
council
properties,
the
likes
of
play,
parks,
etc,
and
it's
all
over
the
whole
bar,
because
you're
still
going
into
them
and
seeing
our
the
old
legacy
council,
craig
alvin
bambridge,
so
if
that
could
all
be
to
can
propose
that
that
would
be
done
as
well.
Please
julie,
no
good
question.
O
V
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
all
down
to
the
counselor
who
owns
the
land
or
what's
on,
but
I
would
think
any
sign
that
we
are
involved
in
putting
up
that,
will
follow
it
up
and
make
sure
that
maintenance
maintenance
is
carried
out
right
throughout
the
the
the
year
and,
more
specifically,
during
the
growing
growing
season,
when
I'm
sure
we've
all
seen
so
many
signs
going
in
them.
They
don't
give
you
the
best
impression
and
first
first
impression
is
always,
but
people
take
things
on
going
into
our
town,
our
village.
Thank
you.
B
Nothing
further
so
all
agreed
for
that
report.
Thank
you.
Members.
Okay,
agenda
item,
three
declarations
of
interest:
okay,
tickle
from
the
floor
now
or
as
when.
We
come
across
the
item:
okay,
five,
okay
committee
minutes,
5.1
second
proposal
and
saginaw
for
the
minutes
of
the
planning
and
regulatory
service
committee
held
on
the
4th
of
august
2021,
be
taken
as
read
and
approved
on
the
correct
record
and
counselor
lovely.
Can
I
get
a
second
there?
W
Since
that
has
happened.
I
have
had
representation
within
the
last
month
from
applicants
to
planning
from
agents
and
from
indeed
objectors
to
plans
that
have
been
put
in,
and
I
think,
there's
a
major
feeling
within
this
department
in
relation
to
communication,
because
people
are
not
getting
the
service
that
they're
paying
for,
and
people
are
paying
for
this
service.
W
We
were
told
that
there
were
approximately
190
applications
made
in
the
last
few
months
and
if
that's
correct
and
I'm
sure
it
is,
and
it
spreads
out
over
the
year
we're
talking
about
two
thousand
two
hundred
applications
coming
in
a
year.
Now.
Fifty
percent
of
those
are
people
within
this
borough
and
they
go
away
with
a
bad
experience.
W
It
doesn't
reflect
well
on
this
borough
doesn't
reflect
well
on
this
council
and
I'm
making
new
comments
in
relation
to
the
performance
of
any
individual
planner,
because
the
planning
manager
did
give
us
some
stats
around
the
position
that
they
find
themselves
in
at
the
minute.
But
he
also
said
the
position
was
changing
day
to
day
and
week
to
week,
and
in
relation
to
that,
I
would
like
an
update
tonight
as
to
how
things
have
changed
and
how
they
have
improved
or
otherwise.
W
There
are
many
more
factors
around
this
which
I
could
raise
and
details
that
I
could
go
into.
I
don't
want
to,
but
I
want
to
have
confidence
to
tell
people
when
they
approach
me
that
this
that
the
issues
here
are
been
sorted
out
and
that
we're
moving
ahead.
We
were
told
last
month
that
there
had
been,
I
think,
three
new
members
recruited
into
the
planning
office.
W
B
W
B
B
X
X
I
was
going
to
come
in
earlier
and
with
regards
to
the
council
minutes,
because
I
did
want
to
put
in
record
my
thanks
to
the
chief
executive
for
sending
the
letter
so
quickly
and
and
so
expertly,
and
I
do
feel
that
we're
getting
a
wee
bit
closer
to
this
one
and
the
pressure's
building.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
missy.
X
We've
got
an
even
speedier
reply
from
well,
not
the
minister
that
we
wrote
to,
but
I'm
not
surprised
at
this
stage,
she's,
probably
too
busy,
looking
down
the
back
of
a
sofa
for
the
money
somewhere.
So
maybe
the
next
time
I
get,
I
will
get
a
response
from
the
minister.
Thank
you,
members
for
all
your
support
over
the
last
month
with
this
issue
and
if
anyone
anyone
has
any
influence
here,
I'd
really
urge
you
to
speak
to
whoever
you
can
unless
we
are
nearly
over
the
line
with
this.
T
T
Y
Thank
you,
lord
mark
yeah,
it's
good
to
see
a
response
from
the
minister
and
that
he
has
taken
in
what
we
had
raised
the
last
time-
and
I
see
there
in
his
second
last
paragraph,
where
he
is
engaging
with
everyone
to
try
and
get
a
climate
change
build
sorted
out.
This
is
important
for
our
agricultural
sector
right
across
the
board.
Y
We
have
raised
that
in
the
past,
but
let's
bear
in
mind
that
it's
about
time
that
these
mlas
start
to
do
a
bit
of
work
down
there
and
bear
in
mind
that
some
of
these
mlas
were
the
ones
that
brought
about
the
going
for
growth
strategy
a
number
of
years
back,
which
encouraged
the
farming
community
to
increase
production,
to
intensify
and
to
borrow
more
money.
So
I
want
to
see
this
through.
Y
I
want
to
see
a
package
put
in
place
for
the
agricultural
community
going
forward
which
is
badly
needed,
so
it
is
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
That's
going
to
come
out
over
this
next,
while
technology
and
a
lot
of
other
stuff,
that's
going
to
come
out
that
will
increase
the
returns
for
farming
community
going
forward
and
that's
what's
needed
here,
but
it
needs
me
on
nicely.
You
know
again
the
question
that
I'd
raised
the
last
time
about
what
we
can
actually
deal
with
in
here,
our
own
council
chamber.
Y
It's
alright
written
letters
to
star
mate,
telling
them
what
to
do.
They
get
well
enough
paid
to
do
a
job
and
they
should
be
getting
on
and
doing
it.
But
what
about
our
own
in
here
our
own
council
estate,
with
what
364
buildings
with
1100
hectares
alone?
What
are
we
doing?
It's
by
time?
We
got
off
our
backsides
and
started
to
work
for
our
people
here
and
something
that
we
can
actually
do
and
control.
Thank
you.
Lord.
B
Q
Q
As
an
elected
representative,
I've
complained
to
various
statutory
agencies
requesting
that
these
are
objects.
Illegal
objects
be
removed,
but
the
response
I
get
back
is
either
that
it's
not
that
agency's
problem
or
yes,
agreement
that
they
should
be
removed
for
the
sale
of
like
the
legislation
or
political
cover.
To
do
so.
Q
Abc
council
is
also
failing
residents
on
this
issue,
as
under
planning
enforcement
legislation,
council
connect,
davani,
illegally
erected,
facade
or
monument
removed.
However,
in
spite
of
numerous
complaints
relating
to
illegally
erected
paramilitary
objects
over
the
past
six
years
of
abc
council's
existence,
not
one
unfortunate
notice
has
been
issued.
Q
This
is
a
dominant
indictment
of
council's
failure
to
take
these
issues
seriously.
For
example,
if
a
business
were
to
illegally
erect
a
large
advertising,
warden
council
would
come
down
them
like
a
ton
of
bricks,
and
rightly
so.
However,
when
the
power
that
group
does
the
same,
nothing
happens
how's
that
fair
well
members.
I
think
it's
time
we
took
this
session
seriously
and
to
set
out
my
motion.
Q
Z
Z
Z
Z
Many
residents
in
our
borough
feel
that
they
have
nowhere
to
turn
and
that
they're
alone
in
the
battle
against
these
displays,
they
should
be
long
gone
from
our
society,
and
it
is
past
time
that
there
was
a
strong,
united
political
response.
That
includes
action
from
this
council
government
departments
and
statutory
agencies
to
tackle
illegally
erected,
mural
murals,
memorials
and
insignia.
Z
Of
course,
the
fact
report
should
it
ever
be
allowed
to
see
the
light
of
death
by
the
first
and
deputy
first
ministers
may
inform
a
way
forward
and
will
no
doubt
feed
into
the
work
of
any
working
group.
But
residents
in
our
borough
are
demanding
action.
Now
we
cannot
shark
our
responsibilities
or
kick
the
can
further
down
the
road
any
longer.
We
don't
need
a
report
to
tell
us
that
these
displays
are
wrong
and
should
be
consigned
to
the
past.
Z
It's
an
opportunity
to
reimagine
and
re-image
local
communities
to
work
with
the
community
itself
to
replace
images
that
hark
back
to
dark
days,
gone
by
with
more
creative
and
culturally
relevant
displays,
ruling
out
murals,
which
enhance
community
relations,
which
build
reconciliation
and
regenerate
our
public
spaces
through
the
arts.
Thank
you.
B
AA
Yeah,
thank
you.
Lord
murr
and
there's
been
a
mural
at
the
gable
wall
of
what
was
known
as
wiley's
shop
in
mourn
view,
since
I
was
away
girl
all
those
years
ago
and
there's
many
other
murals
in
and
around
more
v2
when
I
was
growing
up,
but
these
have
significantly
reduced
in
number,
and
their
tone
has
also
changed
over
the
years
and
the
mural
at
the
end
of
of
wiley's
wall
has
changed
many
times
over
the
years.
AA
AA
Z
A
B
B
B
Q
Hello,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Lord
mayor
now,
I've
had
I've
had
a
look
at
the
amendment
thanks
for
counseling
mckenzie
sending
through,
but
because
the
amendment
removes
the
em
of
removing
all
these
elected
or
illegally
erected
objects,
because
the
amendment
removes
the
part
about
community
consultation
about
potentially
reimaging
and
because,
quite
frankly,
lord
merrill,
the
current
structures,
aren't
working.
We
need
new
thinking.
We
need
new
structures
to
try
and
drive
us
through
and
create
positive
change.
Q
So
I
mean-
and
some
parts
of
motion
that
you
know
do
you
have
sympathy
for
in
terms
of
writing
the
executive
office
and
merge
and
encouraging
you
know
the
publication
of
the
effect
commission.
So
if
councilman
mckenzie
maybe
would
want
to
add
that
sort
of
as
a
supplementary
line
at
the
bottom
of
the
motion
in
terms
of
encouraging
the
fact,
the
publication
of
effect
report,
I'd
accept
it,
but
the
current
amendment
as
sort
of
proposed
sort
of
wouldn't
accept
lord
mayor.
Thank
you.
AA
B
I
Sorry,
lord,
I
I
hadn't
actually
wanted
or
intended
to
speak
on
this
notice
of
motion
until
I
happened
to
see
our
my
eye
this
evening,
when
the
publicity
for
this
stunt
had
already
been
launched
before
the
meeting,
which
almost
tried
to
pre-determine
the
outcome
on
what
we
have
seen
since
then
is
a
scramble
from
the
alliance
party
to
try
and
change
the
amendment
again
and
but
from
a
position
of
weakness
again
this
evening
they
are
going
to
lose
on
this
one.
I
suspect
now.
I
It
is
grassroots
support
and
trust
that
is
built
up
through
a
process
of
work,
and
this
notice
of
motion
ignores
all
of
that,
and
so
I
would
see
it
as
being
a
reckless
notice
of
motion.
That
is
nothing
more
than
headline
grabbing
electioneering
from
the
alliance
party,
and
so
therefore,
I
was
pleased
to
see
the
amendment
coming
forward
from
councillor
mckinstry
and
I'll
be
happy
to
support
her
with
that.
I
We
set
up
what
appears
to
be
a
one-sided
process
and
either
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
appropriate
way
to
move
either,
and
I
think
the
lance
party
should
also
reflect
on
that
point.
So
I
will
be
supporting
the
amendment
and
I
think,
and
my
colleagues
and
all
students
party
for
bringing
that
forward.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you,
lord
mayor
welfare,
I'm
entitled
to
respond
directly
to
some
of
those
remarks
just
made
by
councillor
cosby,
where
status
isn't
directed
at
one
group,
it's
directed
at
all
paramilitary
crime
organizations.
I
won't
run
them
all
orderly.
I
won't
sell
just
one
or
two:
I
want
them
all
gone
in
terms
of
reckless.
It
says
about
not
engagement
with
the
community,
learn
one
and
a
third
paragraph
of
my
motion,
which
may
be
amended.
It
talks
about
community
consultation
because
community
consultation
has
to
be
at
the
heartless
matter.
Q
In
fact,
I
think,
if
they're
to
do
some
honest
community
consultation,
I
think
we'd
find
all
communities
won't
release
illegally
active
paramilitary
objects
in
terms
of
a
predetermined
outcome.
Do
I
want
them
all
removed?
Yes,
I
do
I
make
no
bones
about
it
and
it's
on
the
second
line
of
my
emotion,
which
is
going
to
be
a
mandate
in
the
terms
of
you
know,
alliance
party
are
going
to
lose
in
this
one.
Q
The
only
people
who
are
going
to
lose
are
those
local
residents
who
live
in
areas
and
have
to
look
at
these
images
of
hate.
Every
day
these
residents
have
been
kicked
around
long
enough
for
25
or
23
years
since
the
good
friday
agreement-
and
this
amendment
will
only
kick
this
issue
into
the
long
grass
further.
Q
So
lord
mayor,
I've
got
no
nothing
more
to
say.
I
would
hope,
and
I
would
really
hope
that,
even
if
this
amendment
does
go
through
and
that
consultation
does
happen
and
whatever
these
exist
instructions
are,
but
members
take
this
issue
seriously
and
we
can
get
that
place
for
all
these
illegally
erected
legally
erected
power.
Military
objects
are
gone
for
good.
Thank
you.
Lord
mayor.
B
B
B
D
B
And
the
numbers
tallies:
yes,
29
knows
threes,
so
the
amendment
passes,
so
we
can
get
a
proposer
in
second
for
the
substantive
motion
for
catching
my
chemistry's
cancer.
My
chemistry
proposed
by
cancer,
my
chemistry,
second
fate,
cancer
nicholson,
abella
great
great.
Thank
you
very
much
members.
I
was
painless.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Can
I
get
a
proposer
on
seconder
or
sorry
ron?
Can
I
ask
the
act
officers
to
please
turn
off
the
audio
feed
and
confirm
with
me
when
the
confidential
section
of
this
meeting
can
proceed.
B
X
X
X
So
this
this
cannot
happen
again
and
I
do
know,
there's
a
paper
coming
to
committee,
but
I
will
settle
for
nothing
less
and
I
mean
nothing
less
than
an
external
door
with
the
radar
key
end
of
story.
We
cannot
have
this
happen
with
these
facilities.
They're
too
hard
fought
for
they're
too
expensive
for
to
be
treated
with
such
disregard
as
if
these
people,
nobody
will
notice.
So
that's
one,
but
why
I
stumbled
across
that
members
was,
and
some
of
my
colleagues
in
poor
down
will
will
probably
know
this.
X
Was
this
again,
it's
been
going
on
for
a
long
time,
the
actual
dire
state
of
the
toilets
in
poor
down
people's
park,
and
I
want
this
addressed
as
a
matter
of
some
urgency,
and
I
know
I
know
you
are.
But
again
I
have
email
trails
going
back
as
far
as
18
19.,
I'm
sure
other
members
do
too,
where
there
were
less
of
repairs
to
be
done,
and
I
can
tell
you
they
weren't
done
so.
You
know
I
will
be.
I've
always
been
a
big
advocate
for
the
people's
park.
I
used
it
exclusively
for
children's
events.
X
When
I
was
lord
murr
and
I
will
continue
to
be
an
advocate
for
the
shared
space
that
is
that
park
and
I
will
not
let
it
be.
Let
me
run
down
like
this.
I
will
continue
to
do
so.
I'm
sure
other
members
will
as
well
and
if
it's
extra
support
staff
or
resources
that
you
need-
and
I
suggest
we
really
seriously
get
down
and
look
at
that,
because
we
have
a
shared
space
literally
on
the
doorstep
of
our
town.
Center
places
are
crayon
out
for
green
spaces,
and
I'm
just
I'm
really
I'm
disappointed.
X
N
Yeah,
thank
you,
lord
mayor,
just
following
on
from
that,
and
I
suppose
it
cuts
across
another
issue
of
importance
around
toilets,
and
I
know
in
recent
times
to
at
the
start
of
the
month,
the
young
lady
had
an
issue
in
portland
with
regards
to
just
basic
access
to
a
toilet,
and
I
know
councillor
flocka
has
raised
the
issue
in
terms
of
the
change
in
places
toilet,
and
it
is
good
that
there
is
a
facility
there.
We
have
an
issue,
obviously
around
the
access
to
it,
which
I
believe
has
been
very.
N
The
steps
to
deal
with
that
and
the
other
issue
is
that
I'd
like
to
raise
this
one,
which
was
also
publicized
early
in
august,
was
a
young
lady
who
had
no
access
to
any
toilet
and
put
it
on.
It
was
hugely
embarrassing
for
her
as
local
news
outlet
reported.
She
obviously
didn't
want
to
be
named.
We're
going
to
understand
that,
but
there
was
also
another
issue.
A
couple
of
years.
Back
and
rashmir
were
a
lady.
N
He
was
speaking
to
you
also
an
issue
with
accessing
the
toilet
on
a
point
council
back
just
to
december
2019,
and
I've
raised
this
with
the
chief
executive,
and
he
has
assured
me
that
he
will
look
into
it,
but
there
was
the
possibility
of
a
community
toilet
scheme
mentioned
where,
basically,
in
that
scenario,
a
number
of
businesses
would
sign
up
to
a
service.
If
you
like,
where
members
of
the
public
could
access
that,
I
feel.
N
There's
definitely
murder
on
that
and
council
could
issue,
perhaps
those
chronic
sufferers
with
digestive
tract
issues
who
require
urgent
use
of
a
facility,
if
they're
in
town,
that
they
would
have
that
access,
perhaps
by
a
council,
issued
not
a
radar
key,
but
some
type
of
legitimately
recognized
card
that
they
could
produce
and
gain
access
where
we
don't
obviously
have
the
situation
where
normal.
You
know,
situations
of
a
child
or
somebody
just
needing
a
toilet,
forgoes
the
use
of
the
public
toilet
and
tries
to
access
a
business.
N
That's
a
huge
issue
if
that
one
number
of
people
in
that
regard
of
helping
through
the
benefit
system
and
know
that
they're
and
they
have
those
chronic
conditions,
and
there
are
experience
in
that
lack
of
m
service,
and
I
think
there
is
a
job
of
work
for
this
council
in
terms
of
re
resurrecting.
If
you
like
that
community
toilet
scheme
provision,
it's
dropped
off
the
radar
I
haven't
seen
it
mentioned
since
I
have
the
minute
here
from
december.
19
a.m
from
environmental
services,
so
would
really
appreciate.
N
B
O
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
I
just
want
to
echo
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
said.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
hear
exactly
all
that
alderman
wilson
was
saying,
but
I
was
listening
to
what
julie
was
saying
there
as
well,
but
I
have
been
working
with
officers
as
well
over
the
past
few
weeks
as
regards
the
toilets
and
put
it
down
and
the
providing
the
facilities
for
the
people.
A
lot
of
people
are
put
off
from
coming
into
puerto
rico
because
of
the
lack
of
toilets.
O
That's
what
I've
been
told
by
the
people,
I
I
did
get
information
from
council
as
to
where
toilets
are
available,
and
unfortunately,
one
of
the
first
ones
on
the
list
was
little
or
ladle
whatever
you
wanted
to
pronounce
that
on
the
rmr
road
and
that
building
is
now
closed,
so
that
would
need
to
be
updated.
Also,
the
toilets
and
ladle
the
new
ladle
building
they're,
not
encouraging
people
to
use
them.
O
AC
That's
right.
Thank
you,
lord
marin,
just
picking
up
counselor
flaherty's
point.
We
are
aware
of
the
issues
in
relation
to
the
changing
police
toilets
and
are
looking
to
put
in
place
a
more
user-friendly
approach
through
an
external
door
and
we'll
pick
that
up
through
the
maintenance
budgets.
In
relation
to
the
other
points
that
other
members
have
said,
look
I'm
happy
to
take
that
away
and
look
at
it
and
bring
an
update
back.
X
Thank
you,
lord
murr.
I
will
be
very
brief.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
know
I
talk
about.
I
seem
to
talk
about
toilets
in
a
norton
on
amount
of
time
with
regard
to
the
toilets
and
poor
down.
There
are
full-time
public,
toilets,
open
and
poured
down,
and
I
will
declare
an
interest
if
needs
be,
as
a
board
member
there
they're
open
from
nine
to
five
monday
to
friday
on
saturday.
Perhaps
a
sign
might
help,
because
for
some
reason
people
don't
seem
to
know
that
they're
still
there.
X
So
maybe
a
nice
sign
at
the
end
of
the
road
might
help,
because
those
are
the
public
toilets
and
if
I
think
back
to
when
the
tender
was
going
out,
one
of
the
criteria
was
a
public
toilet
had
to
be
ten
minutes
of
a
walk
from
the
town
center,
which
is
the
war
memorial.
So
you
know
when
you
look
at
a
10
minute,
walk
from
the
war
memorial
we're
taking
nearly
over
the
bridge
so
and
with
regards
to
the
scheme
we
talked
about
that
at
length.
X
Maybe
mr
perkins
will
come
in
here
at
length
in
committee
over
a
number
of
years.
Didn't
work
out
for
a
reason,
and
I
would
suggest
that
in
the
times
of
covert,
it
is
even
less
likely
that
a
business
with
all
the
best
will
in
the
world
I
owned
a
business
for
a
long
time.
I
would
be
seriously
thinking
about
it
if
it
was
me
saying
here
how
long
these
are
for
my
customers
or
my
patients,
so
I
I
think
we're
on
a
road
to
nowhere
with
that
one.
Just
at
the
moment.
AB
Thank
you,
lord
mayor.
Yes,
we
did
absolutely
raise
a
committee
quite
a
while
ago,
when
we
were
looking
at
toilet
provision
across
the
piece.
Excuse
me
and
the
decision
was
made
by
members
of
committee
not
to
progress
with
it,
because
the
general
feeling
was
that
and
businesses
wouldn't
want
strangers
coming
into
the
various
businesses
and
they're
also
concerned
about
the
impact
on
the
toilets
and
the
impact
on
the
existing
customer
base.
There
was
a
major
discussion
around
demonstrated
drunks
and
drug
users
as
well
using
the
facilities.
So
there
was
quite
a
substantial
debate.
N
Yeah,
I
would
appreciate
seeing
the
report,
for
it
did
drop
off
the
radar,
and
I
know
you
know
we
have
seen
the
publicity
recently.
So
I'm
sure
you
know
I
like
to
think
we're
a
positive
and
progressive
council
in
terms
of
trying
to
bring
forward
solutions
to
what
are
very
real
issues
for
chronic
sufferers
of
digestive
tract
issues,
who
don't
simply
have
time
on
their
side
when
they
need
an
access
to
facility.
If
that
was
even
consulted
with
with
local
businesses,
we
don't
know
what
they
might
say.
N
S
Thank
you,
lord
murr,
and
I
definitely
will
be
brief.
Many
of
you
know
that
the
the
100
pound
high
street
voucher
scheme
is
going
to
launch
in
a
couple
of
weeks
time
and
on
the
back
of
that,
I'm
sure
other
members,
maybe
here,
have
been
lobbied
as
well.
A
number
of
businesses
have
suggested
to
me
that,
in
line
with
what
we
do
at
christmas
or
have
done
at
christmas,
suspending
car
park
charges
for
maybe
a
day
or
two
would
be
a
real
benefit.
B
S
You,
lord
meron,
sorry,
I
just
cut
out
at
an
appropriate
time,
and
there
is
my
very
next
words
counselor
michael
were
that
is
going
to
they're
going
to
be
financial.
There
would
be
a
financial
implication
with
this
with
regarding
suspending
the
car
park
and
charges
and
the
reason
I'm
bringing
it
under
any
other
business
and
thank
the
lord
mayor
for
lying.
It
is
time
critical.
It
is
a
time
critical
issue
if
we
went
to
the
end
of
september,
full
meeting
it'll
be
too
late.
S
Businesses
have
suggested
to
me
the
last
saturday
in
september
first
saturday,
in
october,
when
people
have
just
been
paid
and
it's
145
million
been
invested
in
our
high
street,
and
I
think
this
council
could
and
should
be
willing
to
suggest
that
we
could
support
something
like
that
on
our
high
streets
to
revitalize
our
high
street.
So
thank
you,
lord
mayor,
for
allowing
me
to
bring
that.
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor,
I'm
happy
to
sagging
it
I'm
just
looking
across
the
board
here
and
everybody
seems
to
be
in
general
consensus
with
it.
We've
all
agreed,
yeah,
okay
members.
Thank
you
very
much
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
summer.
No
doubt
that
some
will
come
out
for
the
rest
of
september,
see
your
phone
and
have
a
cup
of
tea.
Today
I
asked
act
to
please
turn
off.
Please
thank
you.